March 6, 2012

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Comment by jeff saturday
2012-03-06 05:44:50

“I hope you all have a good and safe day and it might not be a bad idea to tell the people that you love that you love them.”

Turned into….

“Did you check if her parents were up-to-date on all their mortgage payments? Sometimes people will use a child dying as an excuse to run up their helocs.”

“Ra$h Limpbaugh$” and he’s a over-weight, loud-mouthed, blue-pill-popping male ver$ion of a certain kinda $lut.”

“Big fat bloated head
overinflated ego
shut your mouth, douchebag”

“Mr. Limbaugh’s hate
does nothing to elevate
Joe SickPAC’s logic”

* Sandra Bernhardt publicly stated her desire to see Sarah Palin gang-raped.

* Bill Maher called Sarah Palin the c-word.

* Christopher Titus said he’d shoot Sarah Palin if she ever became President.

* Bill Maher publicly lamented the fact that a bombing in Iraq had failed to claim the life of Vice President Dick Cheney.

* Irish Nobel Peace Prize winner Betty Williams publicly stated her desire to murder President George W. Bush.

* Editorial cartoonist Ted Rall, sometimes published by the The Washington Post, in a comic strip on July 1, 2004, labeled Condoleeza Rice “Bush’s house nigga” and suggesting decapitation of Donald Rumsfeld.

Do you ever listen to yourself?

Hypocrites.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-03-06 05:58:20

You still got that blindspot Jethro.

A college student is on the same level as the the president of the US, secretary of state, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, National security advisor, a vice president of the US and a state governor? Really? REALLY?

I’ll ask you the same question.

Do you listen to yourself?

Comment by jeff saturday
2012-03-06 06:28:37

I think you will find out more about the 30 year old “college student” where she was and what she did before she enrolled in Georgetown, a Catholic and Jesuit school. That`s not the point though, seems like hate is hate no matter where it comes from.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-06 07:01:18

“…hate is hate no matter where it comes from.”

It’s much worse when it spills from a bloviating jackass’s lips on a daily basis.

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Comment by palmetto
2012-03-06 07:06:55

Eric “Nation of Cowards” Holder?

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-03-06 07:38:19

“It’s much worse when it spills from a bloviating jackass’s lips on a daily basis.”

“Sandra Bernhardt publicly stated her desire to see Sarah Palin gang-raped.”

You have a point, but I don`t know which is “worse”. I guess you would need a Hate Meter.

 
Comment by chilidoggg
2012-03-06 08:02:29

Sandra Bernhardt? Wow that’s a blast from the past!

There’s no such thing as bad publicity.

Especially when you haven’t had any publicity in 20 years.

 
Comment by Robin
2012-03-06 18:41:58

Especially when you have Mick Jagger’s lips!

 
 
 
Comment by palmetto
2012-03-06 06:31:47

WTF are you even talking about? I was listening to jeff, and this is what he said:

“I hope you all have a good and safe day and it might not be a bad idea to tell the people that you love that you love them.”

And he said this apropos of of an obit he read that made him realize how fortunate he was. This decent sentiment was twisted into something tawdry by the likes of alpha sloth and others.

WTF does that have to do with all that gabble about college students and the various gubmin overlords you mentioned?

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-03-06 06:51:17

“WTF does that have to do with all that gabble about college students and the various gubmin overlords you mentioned?”

ehh… wtf…. READ his post.

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Comment by palmetto
2012-03-06 07:05:02

“I hope you all have a good and safe day and it might not be a bad idea to tell the people that you love that you love them.”

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-03-06 07:19:10

In fairness to Realtors Are Liars (which they are) sorry about letting that little bit of hate slip out there :). He was the first one to reply yesterday.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-03-05 06:28:45

Good Morning Jethro. Thank you.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-03-06 07:29:34

Peace.

 
Comment by SV guy
2012-03-06 18:51:41

Group Hug.

 
 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-03-06 06:35:46

His point, if I may, was that he wanted to spread some warm thoughts, a reminder to value what you’ve got in life that’s good, and yet it quickly turned ugly.

I think the natives are restless because there isn’t much going on in the lull before the storm.

Comment by palmetto
2012-03-06 06:49:01

Exactly.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-06 07:06:02

Rush Limbaugh brands law student ’slut’ and ‘prostitute’ – video

Conservative US radio host Rush Limbaugh has apologised to Georgetown University law student Sandra Fluke, after calling her a slut on his radio programme last week. The remark came after Fluke testified before Congress about the need for health insurance to cover birth control. Limbaugh’s programme is broadcast on nearly 600 radio stations across the US, and has suffered a fallout from advertisers since the remark

Comment by aNYCdj
2012-03-06 08:25:43

Rash rush ditto bloat obese…but ya know sometimes digging can come up with stranger things:

http://mrctv.org/blog/sandra-fluke-gender-reassignment-and-health-insurance

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Comment by Awaiting
2012-03-06 09:29:02

Although I don’t like the show “The View”, Ms. Fluke was on it (HULU viewing), and I must say, the gal is well spoken and is an amazing young lady. Rush only wishes he had what she has. She was the epitome of class, self control, and brains.

 
Comment by sfrenter
2012-03-06 12:13:16

Although I don’t like the show “The View”, Ms. Fluke was on it (HULU viewing), and I must say, the gal is well spoken and is an amazing young lady. Rush only wishes he had what she has. She was the epitome of class, self control, and brains.

I saw that clip, too. She was remarkably composed. Talk about being caught up in a sh*t storm.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-03-06 12:30:58

“She was the epitome of class, self control, and brains.”

She is impressive. She represents what I hope my own will strive to be.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-03-06 12:40:50

I saw her on another clip. She’s remarkably composed. Rush is so outgunned, it’s delicious to behold!

Also, she couldn’t look any less trampier. He, on the other hand, comes across like the complete pig he is.

 
Comment by Awaiting
2012-03-06 13:20:29

CarrieAnn
I thought she looked like a sophisticated young lady as well. Your comments make me sing praise to your phrasing.

I hope she sues him. Slander should pay off her tuition and so forth. This is unfair notoriety. She deserves compensation, imho. She isn’t a public figure.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-03-06 13:40:40

amazing young lady….epitome of class, self control…brains…composed….sophisticated…impressive

And she’s hot.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-06 13:47:55

Rio, dang you!!!!!!!!!! :-)

 
Comment by Muggy
2012-03-06 18:09:40

“And she’s hot.”

And brunette. Time to think about place-kicking!

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-03-06 18:39:46

She hasn’t crossed that mystery line into hotness yet. Not quite old enough.

 
 
 
 
Comment by palmetto
2012-03-06 06:25:56

I apologize, jeff. I started all this by telling alpha sloth that Rush Limbaugh had nothing on him (her?), for making this statement:

“Did you check if her parents were up-to-date on all their mortgage payments? Sometimes people will use a child dying as an excuse to run up their helocs.”

And we see what followed. I was completely stunned. I had no idea the depth of insanity (or, in some cases, depravity).

I do want to thank oxide, though, for her attempt to calm the inmates.

Comment by palmetto
2012-03-06 06:45:13

And since my Rush Limbaugh riposte to alpha sloth seems to have been badly misinterpreted, I will (sigh) explain MY thinking:

I was touched by jeff’s post regarding the obit of the young girl. When alpha sloth replied as he (she?) did, I was comparing the nastiness of the reply to the nastiness of Limbaugh’s braying about women and birth control. That’s all I was doing.

I couldn’t believe what followed.

Comment by michael
2012-03-06 07:10:42

“I was touched by jeff’s post regarding the obit of the young girl.”

Snopes suggest this is unverifiable but supposedly Ernest Hemingway was once challenged to write a story in six words or less.

He quickly penned…

“for sale…baby shoes…never warn”.

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Comment by palmetto
2012-03-06 07:15:47

Excellent!

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-03-06 07:21:56

Ernie was so inscrutable. Did he mean don’t warn the baby? Or that babies never warn you? Hmm.

I guess that’s why he made the big bucks. He made ya think.

 
Comment by MrBubble
2012-03-06 09:56:11

” Did he mean don’t warn the baby? Or that babies never warn you? Hmm.”

Too funny!

 
Comment by michael
2012-03-06 11:42:30

good one.

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-03-06 16:00:41

Nice, alf. Can’t be too careful around those sneaky little buggers.

 
 
 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-03-06 06:51:26

But did you ever check and see if the parents were deadbeats? Dying kids are expensive in this great country, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they ran up those helocs!

Inquiring minds want to know…Are they truly sympathy-worthy?

Comment by aNYCdj
2012-03-06 08:31:43

alpha:

If the parents heloc’ed the house to save their kids life I for one would think we as a country would be caring enough to forgive their debts….its really the right thing to do.

But if you see new his and hers suvs a man cave botox…then you know what to do with ‘em…toss em to the streets

Comment by Anon In DC
2012-03-06 19:18:14

Speak for yourself. I might donate but forcing people to contribute to charity is not the “right thing to do.”

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Comment by Anon In DC
2012-03-06 19:19:30

By forcing I mean having the goverment perform charity - e.g taxpayer funded charity.

 
 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-03-06 09:20:58

I don’t know why I can’t get an answer to this question. Jeff is usually such a reliable background-checker.

Yo, Jeff, what’s the hold-up? Are they deadbeats or not?

And if they are, does the cost of caring for a dying child justify the helocs?

Comment by oxide
2012-03-06 11:08:13

Drop it, alpha.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-03-06 11:29:03

I can’t.

 
Comment by polly
2012-03-06 14:09:58

I’m with oxide on this one, despite finding Jeff’s deadbeat posts annoying enough to skip every time.

Besides, a lot of the time, those ads don’t have nearly enough information to get the names/address of the parents. An article quoting Jacob Smith and his wife Sandy Smith who live on Elm Street in Anytown, is a lot easier to look up.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-03-06 15:03:55

Drop it, alpha.

I’m with oxide on this one

I’m trying to take Jeff on a spiritual journey of self-discovery. I recognized his call for help yesterday, when he questioned whether he should return to AA for help with his rage-aholism.

He knows he’s gone too far into the darkness, I’m trying to direct him back to the light. Tough love can seem brutal to observers, but it’s all part of the healing process.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-06 07:36:19

“Every cause produces more than one effect.”
Herbert Spencer

Since he’s a 100+year throw -back, it’s Free Jeffery! ;-)

[Comment by jeff saturday]:

“Do you ever listen to yourself?
Hypocrites.”

My Puerto Rican aunt would have your ears-a-burnin’ for slappin’ someone with such verbal trickery

Hey Pal, look carefully at the time stamp of Hwy50’s comment to your 1st post. The Ra$h Limpbaugh$ comment came; x1 HOUR & 7 minutes & 6 seconds AFTER, and in SUB_CONTEXT your initial post BUDDY.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-05 06:53:17

I hope you all have a good and safe day and it might not be a bad idea to tell the people that you love that you love them. :-)

Fine sentiments, x3 cheers!

Sincerely Hwy50

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-05 08:06:33

It’s;

“Ra$h Limpbaugh$” and he’s a over-weight, loud-mouthed, blue-pill-popping male ver$ion of a certain kinda $lut. :-)

Now go back to the top and read carefully Spenser’s Quote

(Sorry lil’ love from Hwy50 to Ra$h, eyes basically think he’ a vile, toxic, monie$ $uckin’, blow-hard of questionable humility, sportin’ a dysfunction tongue & pecker & brain. But I’m just warm’in up, … he’s so twisted he couldn’t stand in the shadow of his own cockscrew, [ok, eye stole that one from Mencken] …)

Comment by jeff saturday
2012-03-06 10:18:17

Mr. Hwy50ina49Dodge

I am sorry if I misrepresented what you were saying, and I did not acknowledge that you also said…

“I hope you all have a good and safe day and it might not be a bad idea to tell the people that you love that you love them.”

“Fine sentiments, x3 cheers!”

My bad, it was not my intent.

Please give my best to your Puerto Rican aunt, she sounds pretty cool.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-06 10:55:59

Eye’ll see RAL’s “peace” and up the ante with “good cheer!”

… keep dealin’ those HBB cards … the game ain’t over yet!

Hey someone tip Mr. Ben fer keepin’ the lights on! :-)

(oh wait, It’s me turn again!)

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Comment by Blue Skye
2012-03-06 08:04:36

Have a good and safe day Mr. Saturday.

Miserable people thrive on disturbing their fellows.

Comment by palmetto
2012-03-06 08:15:41

Amen, brothah!

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2012-03-06 08:34:35

Why is the whole country talking about a remark some entertainer made on the radio?

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-06 09:27:20

+infinity.

IMHO the best way to deal with a loud buffoon is to pay no attention to him.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-06 09:38:43

IMHO the best way to deal with a loud buffoon is to pay no attention to him. ;-)

Therein re$ide$ a $400 Million$ dollar difference between your’in POV as opposed to Clear Channel’$ POV.

(That kinda wager must be makin’ $omeone mucho monie$, spread that toxic-”entertainment” $tuff around!)

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Comment by Awaiting
2012-03-06 10:48:32

Patricia Heaton of Everybody Loves Raymond fame (i.e. just an overpaid actress) said some very nasty things (twitted) about Sandra Fluke , and then did her religious shield bs about needing to walk her talk in her *apology. For which I say, you are what you do Ms. Heaton. These nut jobs make me glad I am a reformed Republican. Yikes.

*(I don’t own a TV, but she too has a current show w/ sponsors.)

Now, let us get back to what matters.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-03-06 13:19:15

“Born Again Republicans Creed”

-The future belongs to the young, whether we like it or not. Like borrowing your buddies tools, try to pass things on in better condition than what you got them.

-When it comes to international intervention, or what goes on in two consenting adults personal relationships, the government needs to mind its own business.

-Recognize that war means people will die, so you had better make sure that starting one is worth the cost. For starters, re-examining our continuous intervention in the Middle East to (supposedly) “preserve our economy”.

-Enforce the law. Especially on our “elites” and “leadership”. Two tier justice (one system for the rich/connected, one for everyone else) breeds a poisonous cynicism, and encourages disrespect for the law among all economic classes.

-Be realistic. 50-75% of a loaf is better than 100% of nothing. Recognize that the extremists of both parties want the 100%, even if it takes destroying their opponents to get it. An “abortion law that 85% of the country will buy into can be passed tomorrow, but won’t be because the die hards won’t comprimise, and/or depend on the turmoil to generate funding and membership. Do the 85% compromise and move on……tell the 15%ers to find something useful to do).

(See NRA’s “The UN is coming to take your guns” plan. Rolled out every election, or if a Democrat is elected President. The UN took a year to get rid of Khaddafi. What makes anyone thing they can confiscate all the guns in the USA?)

-Do some serious cost-benefit analysis. Advocates tend to underestimate the cost, and over estimate the benefits. Business tends to do the opposite. Get to the truth, and use some common sense……to this end.

-Have all government statistics generated by a bi-partisan Department of Statistics. Too many numbers are fudged by advocates of particular policies, or for purely political reason. All we are doing is lying to ourselves, and giving a great advantage to those entities who have the money/resources to generate accurate statistics.

-

 
Comment by SV guy
2012-03-06 18:59:32

Nice post fixr.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-06 09:54:05

The problem are the millions of yahoos who listen to him.

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Comment by sfrenter
2012-03-06 12:16:58

The problem are the millions of yahoos who listen to him.

Given what’s been going on in the primaries, Rush trying to run for POTUS is not that insane.

He is the most listened-to talk radio show host. Why, I don’t know. He’s an a$$hat.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-03-06 12:58:54

Given what’s been going on in the primaries, it would almost seem that he doesn’t want the Rs to win. I’m pretty sure his show is a lot more popular with a D in the White House.

 
 
 
Comment by Steve J
2012-03-06 10:00:28

Well, Rush is a member a rather large labor union.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-06 11:06:38

:-)

(Eye’ll wager his union card ain’t in his wallet.)

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Comment by Steve J
2012-03-06 12:27:12

I bet that the hundreds of union members that broadcast his show every day do.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-06 17:20:29

I suspect if we meet in a bar Steve, we’ll be friends almost instantly! ;-)

 
 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-03-06 11:36:07

We have massive debt, wars, rumors of war, untreated sickness and we’re talking about a radio commentator’s opinion and condoms.

It’s a tangent. Bread and circuses. But we do it because it’s fun.

Am I wrong for wondering whether Sandra Fluke is a Hottie McHothot? No… but then wasting bandwith on it is probably not the best use of the intertubes 8)

Limbaugh went on a tangent used a personal attack on a private individual. A hypocritical attack as the same behavior is lauded in men but pilloried in women. So it raised a variety of further tangents - the propriety of personal attacks, and attacking women in a way that gets their dander up, as they are aware of the hypocrisy, especially coming from someone with a checkered personal life himself.

But - it’s all a sideshow. Irrelevancies. Bread and Circuses. Reality TV-esque diversions crowding out (relatively) intelligent debate on important issues which have much more significant effects on people’s lives.

And this is almost certainly the last I’ll post about it.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-06 12:40:45

I agree that it is a meaningless sideshot, and I’ve done my best to ignore it. But I disagree with your one comment here:

Limbaugh went on a tangent used a personal attack on a private individual.

When you choose to testify before congress in an attempt to influence public policy, you are not longer a “private individual”—you have made yourself a political figure.

Please do not misconstrue from this that I approve of Rush’s treatment of her; IMHO, he is an attention-seeking misogynistic misanthrope.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-06 12:43:29

sideshot
not longer

s/sideshot/sideshow/

s/not longer/no longer/

 
 
 
Comment by Avocado
2012-03-06 13:59:35

Rush is the grand leader of the GOP.

 
 
Comment by Avocado
2012-03-06 10:35:15

We just don’t want another, big spending, big gov, Bush in the White House.

I am not a Democrat.

 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-03-06 11:24:09

saturday: I’m reminded of two pieces of wisdom:

1) “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.” Matthew 7:6, KJV

versus

2) “He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.” Matthew 11:15, KJV

I’m an advocate of the latter. I’ve said what I’ve thought to be helpful, comforting, thoughtful on the internet. I’ve occasionally been slightly taken aback at the venom and bile in the responses. No matter. Others I’m sure get some benefit from it. And the internet is place for rough and tumble hashing out of ideas. Which why, when I’m interested in a subject, I do my best to avoid personal attacks. I want the conversation to continue, and I don’t want those who wish to stifle it with off-topic tangents and ad hominem to succeed.

Comment by Steve J
2012-03-06 12:31:24

Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.

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Comment by Neuromance
2012-03-06 12:53:29

Tangent: Not going to get involved in some dueling verses competition, which would obscure my point. Which is what happened to the original issue going off on a tangent :)

My point was to compare two schools of thought: 1) don’t cast your pearls before swine versus 2) Saying what you think ought to be said in the hope that it might benefit someone.

To recap, I think the latter is the superior route to go, the one that saturday took.

I thought it was somewhat eloquently phrased in the Bible so I chose that verbiage and chose to provide attribution. I guess there are no copyright issues so it was perhaps unnecessary.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2012-03-06 13:05:56

One should choose carefully to whom they pledge their service, which one can not well do when their debt may be sold to the highest bidder, as in a CDS.

Debt is slavery!

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Comment by ducks
2012-03-06 15:01:26

You are absolutely correct.

Many partisans see naughtiness– and they magnify its import– when that naughtiness (such as it is) occurs in the group with which they take issue .

Go figure ;)

The “Backfire Principle” in action.

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-03-06 15:56:31

Hint: Everything’s not about you, JS.

Comment by jeff saturday
2012-03-06 17:13:17

“Hint: Everything’s not about you, JS.”

Wasn`t supposed to be. I was trying to illusrtate how some people say other people who believe differently then they do are full of hate. Then say awful hateful things, but it`s OK because they are saying them about the people who are full of hate. Pot Kettle thing isn`t it? I have thought about what I say about Deadbeats though and I don`t actually hate them, I hate what they do. So maybe that`s it. You`re smart so you tell me, how do you go about saying you do not approve of what someone is doing or saying without being hateful? If you do have the answer pass it on, a lot of people could benefit from it.

Comment by ahansen
2012-03-06 22:35:36

You rest my case. Most of the comments you cited in your first post weren’t responding to you— just as most of the people in this one aren’t.

In response to your above question, “how do you go about saying you do not approve …without being hateful…?”

First you make your point, then you move on. Repeating it ad infinitum doesn’t bolster your case, it just makes your argument tedious.

Second, you try to be civil, and maybe add a subtext that makes people think, not just give knee-jerk responses.

Three, you develop a thicker skin when interacting on the internet– and try not to be so needy.

And Four, Everything’s not about you.

PS. Compile your best doggerel and submit it to MAD Magazine and the like. You’ve a talent— and you should be getting paid for it. :-)

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Comment by jeff saturday
2012-03-07 05:20:12

OK I think I get it. You make a point and then move on. If and when that point or something that follows that point gets attacked, don`t take it personally. Is that it?

PS

I would love to be able to write like you but I am too old and have too many people who depend on me to go back to school. I should have paid attention the first time.

 
Comment by ducks
2012-03-07 06:54:47

I agree with Jeff’s posts. Too, maybe Ms. Fluke needs thicker skin.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-03-07 08:32:35

Someone just put a bullet in your chest. Maybe you need thicker armor.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-06 06:50:35

The Boss rocks again!

Bruce Springsteen takes on Wall Street
The musician’s 17th studio album explores many of the same themes as the Occupy Wall Street movement.
By Kim Peterson Feb 21, 2012 1:14PM

Bruce Springsteen is furious at Wall Street, and he funneled that anger into his newest album, “Wrecking Ball.”

The result is a collection of songs about the destruction of the American dream. You don’t get too deep into that subject before you hit the financial crisis — and Wall Street’s role in it.

An enormous fault line cracked the American system wide open, and its repercussions are just beginning to be felt,” Springsteen said in interviews promoting the album, which comes out next month.

It’s a dark album, layered with themes of the common man versus the bankers and fat cats. Rolling Stone was streaming one song, “Shackled and Drawn,” on its website Tuesday. The song describes how life is fat and easy on “banker’s hill,” while the working man is shackled and drawn. Here’s the video for the first song from the album, “We Take Care of Our Own.” Here’s a performance of another, called “Wrecking Ball.”

Springsteen’s work echoes some of the themes of Occupy Wall Street, and he credits that movement with changing the national conversation. “Previous to Occupy Wall Street, there was no push-back at all saying this was outrageous — a basic theft that struck at the heart of what America was about, a complete disregard for the American sense of history and community,” he said at a press conference about the album, according to the Guardian.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-03-06 07:33:12

Another blog introduced this video yesterday. They pretty much ripped Bruce a new one throughout the entire comments thread which leads me to wonder how many that still are even listening to Bruce will even understand the references.

It’s not a horrible song. I just think so many other bands are way ahead of him with few results except for maybe the 20 somethings.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-03-06 13:27:23

He’s been talking about blue collar/Main Street people being screwed for a long time:

“Born in the USA”

“My Hometown”

“Long Walk Home”

“Factory”

Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-03-06 14:19:52

Pretty much everyone on the blog referred to him as a poser, singing those songs and then heading home in his limousine. I gotta say I was pretty surprised to read the extent of the bad feelings as I didn’t expect this group to be rejecting attention to the cause or harboring ill feelings for those that had legitimately worked hard to garner success.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-03-06 14:50:56

I saw the same thread. My 22 year old thinks he sucks too. What does she know?

I don’t get this attitude that “He’s a gazillionaire, so he has no right to talk about what’s happening to J6P”. The fact is, he wasn’t always a gazillionaire, and that he’s still playing with the same lineup of guys for 40 years says something……he’s got some loyalty to people he knew before he became a gazillionaire. And I expect he still hangs out with people he knew back in the 60’s.

There was an “Unplugged”-type show he did where he admitted to going to the local “Gentleman’s Clubs” occasionally for a drink. And how confused some of his fan were to see him there, since they had this “Good Bruce” picture of him in their minds.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-03-06 14:57:08

I gotta say I was pretty surprised to read the extent of the bad feelings

The astroturf is well-watered nowadays, the Kochtopus holds many watering cans. Gotta keep this ‘class warfare’ thing from catching on. Gotta mock the OWS, and their supporters, at every opportunity.

I’m sure they were directed there by Drudge. His followers and their idiotic, numerous posts have become a joke to the readers of English newspapers, who can always tell when a story has been linked by him, as the moronic posts by knuckle-dragging Amurricans increase exponentially.

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-03-06 16:19:29

blue collar/Main Street people

“The River”

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-03-06 16:20:57

Bruce Rocks.

 
 
 
 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-03-06 07:59:37

Bruce is just old enough to remember the civil rights and war protests of the 1960s and the reforms it brought about and how it was all rolled back in the 1980s leading the situation we have today.

Like many of us, he’s seen it come full circle within one generation. Like many of us, he remembers the cities burning because of the inequality.

Comment by aNYCdj
2012-03-06 08:45:42

Carrie turkey I believe it was planned to be rolled back by Katrina flooding the market with the illiterate horrible rap and hip hop music.

And where are those YOUNG bands who even think about OWS?

Where are the grace slicks of today…..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_Slick

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-06 09:44:04

Like many of us, he remembers the cities burning because of the inequality.

The PTB’$ thought they had it ALL figured out by “allowing” women-in-the-work-place.

heheheeheeeheeeheeeeheee

“How much is that doggie in the Window?”

“Well now, that depends, do both of you have income$”?

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-03-06 16:08:13

Can’t really comment on his politics, but his music is rather pedestrian. Never understood the adulation.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-03-06 17:05:07

Hey he’s written/recorded 400 plus songs. Everybody is entitled to a few duds.

Besides, most women don’t “get it”, when it comes to Springsteen.

(Nothing personal; you just don’t……like every guy in America that doesn’t live in LA or NYC doesn’t “get” Madonna or Lady GaGa). Any guy who grew up in the late 60s to mid 70s poor to middle class, Flyover-blue collar-car culture does.

“Darkness on the Edge of Town” was the soundtrack album for the never-made documentary about midwest 18-25 year old males, circa 1976-79.

“Racing in the Streets”…….I hung out with those guys. One was actually nicknamed “Sonny”, and our local “unsanctioned” drag strip was the fire road on the east side of town…….now strip malls and apartments/condos.

Now if we can just get Springsteen to change the lyrics. Even a “Mopar Missile” lover like me knows that “Fuelie heads” are small-block Chevy heads, and won’t go on a “Rat Motor” (396).

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Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-03-06 13:19:29

that’s really kind of amusing. isn’t he a supporter of Obama, who has been working tirelessly to help out his buddies in the banking system, who work hand-in-glove with the Wallstreet crooks, providing them “finance” with which to swindle American working folks?
i guess bruce is just too stupid to make the connection, or else he has really fallen for the sales pitch of “working for the little guy”, while flying around the world in luxury, claiming to help save the average man from foreclosure.
America was hijacked by the Banksters and the Fed, with the assistance of the treasury, and aided and abetted with Dodd-Frank bills to promote a sense of entitlement for the crooks. Obama’s administration has only recently begun to discuss “prosecutions” and “investigations”, while doing what he always does>>>>>>APPOINT A COMMISSION TO INVESTIGATE and REPORT, so he can says he’s doing something, then can ignore all the facts when the next election cycle has been completed.
Poor Bruce. He doesn’t see what’s going on under his own nose.
He should be singing about Goldman-Sachs and their open-door policy with his buddies in the Whitehouse.
He’s bought the line it’s all about “businesses” and ‘greed”. There have always been businesses and always been greed. nothing has changed, except the ability to act on those things with government support, and NO PROSECUTIONS> The government is working with the crooks, or else they would be indicted and in prison.
Go sing away. They should have Folsom Prison Blues as the headliner.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-03-06 14:56:43

Of course, it’s entirely plausible that he believed Obama’s campaign rhetoric like a lot of other people (me included), and decided it was time to say something about what’s happening (or not happening).

You would think the “law and order” Republicans would be beating him over the head for being “soft on (White collar) crime”.

But we hear nary a peep.

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-03-06 16:19:51

Palmy–

There are an awful lot more people “flying around the world in luxury” who are NOT doing anything to help their fellow man.

Criticizing celebrities who devote their time and money to a cause they believe in — just because they don’t give it everything they own — is disingenuous at best, and crackpot on the face of it.

My sister spends six months a year practicing medicine in rural Africa– for which she picks up all her own expenses. Who are you to criticize her for not spending twelve? Or for buying a business class seat instead of coach for the long flight home?

If Springstein walked to his concerts, you’d probably be bitching about the cost of having to provide additional security to the venue.

 
 
Comment by Anon In DC
2012-03-06 19:26:05

Would love to see his tax returns and charitable contributions. Also what he pays any employees he might have. Maybe he and Warrent Buffett and fund a restoration of the America dream.

Comment by ahansen
2012-03-06 22:39:26

HIs music is his charity. Again, who are you to criticize the way he apportions it?

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-06 06:57:37

This gets to exactly why Megabank, Inc should be splintered into small, non-systemically risky pieces. Right now, we have a banking sector which extracts tribute from Main Street needed to provide its bailouts, without providing reciprocal returns in the form of competitively-priced banking services, aka taxation without representation.

Why banks care only about the 1%
Banks follow the money, and you don’t have it.
By Motley Fool Pick of the Day 16 hours ago

Activist movements like Bank Transfer Day have been instrumental in getting ordinary people to take action when banks are taking advantage of them. But as much as banks claim to want everyone’s business, the reality is that some business is a lot more lucrative than others. And when it comes down to it, banks will go to where the profit is — even if it means treating its ordinary customers worse than they deserve.

One niche in which this emphasis on high-wealth customers is obvious is in the credit card industry. While everyday Americans worry about getting a low interest rate when they carry a balance or avoiding expensive fees, venerable Wall Street financial institutions are fighting tooth and nail for customers in what Occupy Wall Street would call the 1%.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-03-06 07:58:39

The only real question here is how were we ever convinced it was otherwise.

Banks follow the money, and you don’t have it.

Let’s hear it for Edward Bernays and the power of touchy-feely, advertising.

 
Comment by measton
2012-03-06 09:32:28

Banks want your money so badly they are willing to pay 0.5% a year to get it.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-03-06 09:37:07

…and charge you “fees”.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-06 09:47:51

:-)

[...hear all that laughter, it ain't coming from pa$$book $avers]

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-06 11:05:58

Hmmm… I though that the goldmine was the poor chumps with CC balances on their cards paying up to 20% interest. And the payday loan store crowd as well..

Comment by polly
2012-03-06 12:27:43

Really wealthy people putting thousands of bucks on the cards every month and paying it all off still generate income from the merchants’ fees. Those of us who have the card, pay it off every month and don’t charge that much anyway are the real “deadbeats.”

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-06 07:04:10

STORM WARNING: A stock market correction is on the way. Batten down the hatches and SELL, SELL, SELL!!!

Stocks headed for pullback
By CNNMoney staff @CNNMoney
Markets March 6, 2012: 8:33 AM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) — U.S. stocks were poised to open lower on Tuesday, as world markets sold off amid economic growth worries in China and Europe.

Dow Jones industrial average (INDU), S&P 500 (SPX) and Nasdaq (COMP) futures were all down about 0.7%. Stock futures indicate the possible direction of the markets when they open at 9:30 a.m. ET.

European stocks fell Tuesday after the statistical office of the European Union said the continent’s economy contracted by 0.3% in the fourth quarter, compared with third-quarter growth of 0.1% in the eurozone and 0.3% in the EU.

Asian markets declined for a second day on Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao’s lower target for China’s economic growth — underscoring the need to make the country’s breakneck development more sustainable.

On top of that, there are other potential stumbling blocks, including high gas prices, what appears to be a mild eurozone recession and the continent’s outstanding debt problems, said Scott Brown, chief economist at Raymond James.

Stocks have had a good run of late, so it’s not a surprise to see some pullback.

The market has a tendency to get ahead of itself,” Brown said, who added that economic data in recent weeks have been “consistent with a gradual recovery.”

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2012-03-06 07:40:08

“There’s always an Arquillian Battle Cruiser, or a Corillian Death Ray, or an intergalactic plague, or a stock market correction, about to wipe out life or portfolios on this miserable little planet…”

Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-06 09:10:09

I wonder what the Deathstar did to the Aderaanian Stock Market?

Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-06 09:12:31

What am I saying? The Alderaanian Stock Market rallied, as the destruction wasn’t as bad as anticipated.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2012-03-06 09:30:17

The circuit breakers did their job and generated a nice soft landing that bottomed out a few weeks later.

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Comment by chilidoggg
2012-03-06 08:06:02

Buy the dips!

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-06 08:10:27

SELL, SELL, SELL!!! :-)

(headin’ to the porch, need to check the lure bag to see iffin’ eyes needs any mores Thomas Buoyant’s)

Usually the season doesn’t open ’till April 1st …

(that date reminds me’s of something, can’t seem to put me finger on it…)

 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-03-06 11:39:53

When it’s heading up the brokers are screaming “OMG BUY BUY BUY!” When it’s heading down they are screaming “OMG SELL SELL SELL!”

Why? Because they make money on the transactions.

It’s the same reason you’ll never hear a realtor say anything other than “Now is the best time to buy,” regardless of the reality.

Comment by MrBubble
2012-03-06 13:18:44

“It’s the same reason you’ll never hear a realtor say anything other than “Now is the best time to buy,” regardless of the reality.”

Not true. Don’t you remember, “there has never been a better time to buy or sell real estate?”

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-06 07:08:59

How many times can the market price in fallout from the Greek debt crisis before it is fully priced in?

Wall Street set to fall on Greece, economy worries

By Edward Krudy
NEW YORK | Tue Mar 6, 2012 8:58am EST

(Reuters) - Wall Street was set to open lower on Tuesday on renewed concerns that Greece and private bondholders may not meet a looming deadline to complete a debt swap and as caution grew over the global economic outlook after recent weak data.

A group representing bondholders warned a default could cause more than 1 trillion euros ($1.3 trillion) of damage to the region. Creditors have until Thursday night to accept a bond swap in which they would lose almost three-quarters of the value of their bonds.

Heightening tensions over Greece come a day after China cut its growth forecast and data showed the European Union is unlikely to avoid a recession. The data was a worry for the market, which has rallied largely on hopes of a strengthening economy.

“What is driving the market now is the outlook for economic growth elsewhere and, pretty importantly, the U.S. and China,” said Jack de Gan, chief investment officer at Harbor Advisory Corp in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.

Comment by Darrell in Phoenix
2012-03-06 07:34:54

As many times as it goes back up the very next day when it looks like there will be a bailout.

It isn’t down, down, down…. It is down, up, down, up, down, up… Churn baby churn, its a Disco Inferno.

 
Comment by Jim A
2012-03-06 09:41:41

Until it falls to a level based on dividends not speculation on price appreciation.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-06 07:10:35

Got contagion?

Bondholder group sees 1 trillion euro Greek default risk
By Alex Chambers and Steve Slater
LONDON | Tue Mar 6, 2012 7:53am EST

(Reuters) - A disorderly Greek default would cause more than a trillion euros ($1.3 trillion) of damage to the euro zone and could leave Italy and Spain dependent on outside help to stop contagion spreading, the main bondholders group has said.

Greek private creditors have until Thursday night to say whether they will participate in a bond swap that is part of a bailout deal to help it manage its finances and meet a debt repayment on March 20.

Investors will lose almost three-quarters of the value of their debt in the exchange. Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos told Reuters on Monday it was the best deal they would get and those who did not sign up would still be forced to take losses.

Analysts said the Institute of International Finance document, marked “IIF Staff Note: Confidential,” may have been designed to alarm investors into participating in the exchange.

“There are some very important and damaging ramifications that would result from a disorderly default on Greek government debt,” the IIF said in the February 18 document obtained by Reuters.

“It is difficult to add all these contingent liabilities up with any degree of precision, although it is hard to see how they would not exceed 1 trillion euros.”

If Greece misses the March 20 payment without a deal in place, this would be seen as a disorderly default and could be taken as a sign that politicians have lost control of the euro. Investors might then target other weak euro zone countries.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-03-06 08:08:03

Let’s all hope for an orderly fiasco.

 
Comment by palmetto
2012-03-06 08:09:13

tsk-tsk, nothing to see here, Greece is contained.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-06 09:51:23

Is it true that even olive oil can go rancid? How does that happen, … too much oxygen?

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-03-06 10:01:04

It is, like so many things, entirely perishable.

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Comment by polly
2012-03-06 11:03:25

“it was the best deal they would get and those who did not sign up would still be forced to take losses”

This might be the issue upon which the credit default swap activation rests. Very interesting. Is it really a default if most of your investors take the deal voluntarily and the rest get the same deal as the voluntary ones?

Why the CDS issue isn’t mentioned in the first three paragraphs of any article about Greek debt is beyond me. I don’t know what the length of the contracts generally are. It would be interesting information.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-06 12:53:02

Is it really a default if most of your investors take the deal voluntarily and the rest get the same deal as the voluntary ones?

If I am promised XXX Euros on a given date plus some agreed-upon interest for a bond that I purchase, and I do not voluntarily agree to accept less, and yet I do receive less, I don’t see how that can be construed as anything other than a default.

For those who voluntarily choose to accept less, perhaps not. For those who have less forced upon them simply because some OTHER fraction of the recipients agree to less, definitely so.

Comment by polly
2012-03-06 14:21:52

That is how I see it, but I’m not sure what the body that declares default on these things uses as a standard. The reporting in the general press has been abysmal and I haven’t had time to go searching the specialty press.

And if they require 100% of the people to accept the “voluntary” refi/haircut for it to not count as a default, then all the people who want the default have to do is buy one bond for the smallest denomination available - heck, they can go in on it together. Then they can force their swaps to payout by refusing to take a haircut on the single bond they own. Should people who own 10K Euro of Greek debt be able to force a declaration of default if everyone else was OK with the haircut?

I’m sure they are very aware of this scenario.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-06 18:23:06

Should people who own 10K Euro of Greek debt be able to force a declaration of default if everyone else was OK with the haircut?

Yes. Unless “everyone else” who is ok wants to pony up and pay off the other guy’s $10K Euro, or take a larger hair-cut so that there is enough to pay off anyone who doesn’t agree.

Voluntary should actually mean voluntary, not sufficiently-large-fraction forcing others against their will.

 
 
 
Comment by Patrick
2012-03-06 13:55:22

Like Mexico years ago - simply issue a “new improved” bunch of paper to replace the old useless ones.

Then let WS sell them in “packages” for 70 cents (or more), after they “sort of” gaurantee the purchase price at 50 cents (but only after they sell them), and charge you (seller) backshish, and of course the buyer a commission, and for transfer agents (themselves), custodial (themselves), etc.

All because the “packages” include some decent paper. But not much. Sound familiar. Ponzi, stacking, churning - same thing when the paper is useless.

Comment by polly
2012-03-06 14:22:55

Didn’t they do that by creating a “new peso”? Greece doesn’t have its own currency anymore.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-06 07:13:34

Sell in March and go away?

P.S. I see no problems with today’s futures that the PPT can’t fix by day’s end.

Index Futures:
S&P 500 1,350.50 -14.00 -1.03%
DOW 12,847 -114.00 -0.88%
NASDAQ 2,593 -23.00 -0.88%

Dow futures off nearly 100 points
Street to start off in a ditch

Worries over prospects for global growth and the outcome of Greece’s bond swap fuel uncertainty.
• Merck tweaks profit outlook | Qualcomm: Buyback, dividend hike | Safeway on 2012 | Focus stocks
• Banks, miners weigh on Europe | Russian stocks sell off by 3% | Asia ends in the red

Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-03-06 08:13:04

Those earlier plummets ended up just being bear traps. Is there enough evidence this reversal will hold? Hmm, maybe I can wake up and pay attention again.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-06 07:14:45

March 6, 2012, 12:01 a.m. EST
Insiders as bearish now as last April
Commentary: Insider selling has become even more lopsided
By Mark Hulbert, MarketWatch

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (MarketWatch) — Corporate insiders continue to sell shares of their companies at a well-above-average pace.

In fact, they are behaving even more bearishly than one month ago. And that’s really saying something, since — as I reported then — their pace of selling in early February was the highest since last July, right before the bottom dropped out of the market. ( Read my Feb. 9 column .)

Comment by WT Economist
2012-03-06 08:36:42

That’s because they got stocks bid up to sucker levels. Up and down is sideways in the end, from 2000 to 2020 or later.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-06 10:00:20

Always good to remember that the biggest fish in the pond make money whether the tsunami tide is incoming or outgoing…

Comment by polly
2012-03-06 11:07:07

The biggest fish make money whether the wave is incoming or outgoing because they take a fee on the transaction - any change of ownership enriches them.

Insiders selling huge amounts of stock at particular levels is a whole different game.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-06 20:45:09

There is also the strategy for deep pockets to buy puts that will pay off when the market crashes and calls to leverage gains when the market goes back up. Variations on this theme include bets that pay off if volatility is low and other bets that pay off it is high.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2012-03-06 07:15:54

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9124676/John-McCain-to-say-US-should-bomb-Syria.html

McCrazy is calling on the US to bomb Syria. Because we need more ruinously expensive and open-ended “needless foreign entanglements.”

Comment by palmetto
2012-03-06 08:13:58

yeah, I read that. This guy is completely gone. The most merciful thing for both him and the citizens of the US is that he take a nice long retirement. He’s an embarrassment.

However, not much you can do if he keeps running and getting elected. He is reflective of his constituency.

My problem is, how does one personally contain the damage wrought by one’s fellow madman citizens?

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-06 09:57:47

I’m not necessarily supporting military intervention in Syria, but from a purely humane perspective, it would be the right thing to do…

What is the difference between Libya and Syria? Access to oil? A unified international will to intervene (EU/NATO)? A complicated political environment with no true opposition leadership to support? I suppose it is a complicated problem, and there is no oil to be had, so let’s just let the Assad regime shell civilian population centers in a manner reminiscent of the battle of Leningrad.

The majority of the US didn’t complain when we invaded Afghanistan, a quagmire that has ground armies to dust for thousands of years. We didn’t complain when we invaded Iraq, on false pretenses based on faulty intelligence of NBC weapons. We didn’t complain when we provided material support (including close-air support) to Libyan rebels (some of whom are also members of Al Quaida, our enemies in Iraq and Afghanistan). So what has changed? Why are the Syrian people not worthy of intervention?

Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-06 10:11:27

Oh yeah, and let’s just ignore that Syria is a proxy for Iran to funnel monetary and military support to Hamas and Hezbollah in Palestine and Lebanon. I mean, Syria isn’t really supporting terrorists right?

 
Comment by Steve J
2012-03-06 10:31:12

Syria is a much harder theater to operate in than Libya from a geographic perspective.

Comment by polly
2012-03-06 11:17:41

And that is really the difference. The Libyan rebels were concentrated in one part of the country, far from Gaddafi’s main forces (in the beginning) and had access to a long coastline not controlled by him. Plus the Med is a big body of water with lots of friendlies on the opposite coast which isn’t really all that far away. Kind of the ideal place to stage an assist. Syria has none of those qualities - absolutely zero.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-06 12:56:58

Plus the Med is a big body of water with lots of friendlies on the opposite coast which isn’t really all that far away. Kind of the ideal place to stage an assist.

I thought all of the assistance was rendered via air support. If so, that kind of assistance can be given regardless of location or geography.

 
 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-06 12:01:13

Syria is a much harder theater to operate in than Libya from a geographic perspective.

Plus the Med is a big body of water with lots of friendlies on the opposite coast which isn’t really all that far away. Kind of the ideal place to stage an assist. Syria has none of those qualities - absolutely zero.

Geography is your friend…

Syria shares a very long border with Iraq, a country we just recently finished “liberating” and still maintain a military presence in. It also shares a border with Turkey, which happens to be a member of NATO. And it’s coastline is on the Med, easy enough to station a few aircraft carriers off of and keep well-supplied.

As compared to Afghanistan, which is land locked and surrounded by Iran (an enemy), Pakistan (a frienemy), and various other “Stans” which generally require going through Russian-controlled airspace, Syria would be much easier to operate in.

As far as the resistance not being concentrated in a single area, I agree… but then again, Iraq suffered from the same problem. You had Kurds in the north, Shia in the South, and Sunni in the center. All hated the Baathists, but they also disliked each other. Again, I see excuses, not well-thought arguements for or against.

I find it interesting that there is little political will to wage the good fight for Syria because it is too “complicated”, but various other needless wars have been fought and continue to be fought.

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Comment by polly
2012-03-06 12:38:35

Iraq was a full on invasion not an assist to a bunch of rebels. Not comparable to Libya at all.

The concentration of the people you want to help in one area well away from the dictator threatening to kill them is dispositive. There was a place to drop/send the aid that didn’t risk putting the help in the hands of the person you hoped would be defeated. Access to a long coast just made it even easier.

 
Comment by Steve J
2012-03-06 12:40:58

Syria also now has a top notch Russian mobile air defense systems that Quadafi neglected to purchase(due to Isreal’s 2007 attack of Syria’s supposed nuclear site).

Air superiority would not be as simple to obtain as in Libya.

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-06 14:03:01

Air superiority would not be as simple to obtain as in Libya.

Ah, the dreaded Russian air-defense net. So Israel beats the drums of war against Iran and threatens unilateral action against a country that supposedly has modern, up-to-date air defense systems, bought from Russia. Israel, a country with no stealth bombers and fielding a mix of 4th-generation fighters and fighter-bombers…

I don’t buy it. Israel seems to think it’s F-16C’s and F-15E strike aircraft will be able to penetrate Iranian air defenses for strikes against Nuclear targets, but the US and NATO is too concerned about Syria’s air defense capabilities to mount a concerted effort to establish “No-Fly Zones”? The same US, that has B2, F117, and F22 stealth aircraft, not to mention numerous Tomahawk cruise missiles launched from surface and sub-surface platforms. And don’t forget the Predator, Reaper, and Grey Eagle armed UAV’s…

Like I said, I don’t buy it…

 
Comment by ducks
2012-03-06 15:16:58

A good note, thanks.

Still, Israel is operating in fear (seemingly legit) for itself, while the USA would not be acting to protect itself. Israel might be willing to take bigger risks, given the direct nature of the threat against it.

 
Comment by ducks
2012-03-06 15:19:00

—A good note, thanks.—

note that my response was to Northeasterner’s comment. It didn’t further nest.

 
 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2012-03-06 11:01:58

“So what has changed?”

Every one of those has been less popular than the one before, and by and large the results are mixed.

 
Comment by oxide
2012-03-06 11:40:58

I’m pretty sure there was a lot of complaining about invading Iraq.

 
 
 
Comment by rms
2012-03-06 07:20:20

I’ve never opened a social networking account being suspicious of the power of the relational database; vindicated.

Govt. agencies, colleges demand applicants’ Facebook passwords
http://tinyurl.com/7j9oxx7 (msnbc)

“If you think privacy settings on your Facebook and Twitter accounts guarantee future employers or schools can’t see your private posts, guess again.

Employers and colleges find the treasure-trove of personal information hiding behind password-protected accounts and privacy walls just too tempting, and some are demanding full access from job applicants and student athletes.”

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-03-06 07:40:18

I regularly thank the Sloth-God that the period of my youth was before everyone had a digital camera handy at all times, and a world-wide photo-album on which to post the photos.

Comment by DB_in_AZ
2012-03-06 08:55:35

Boy ain’t that the truth! And I didn’t even really do anything that bad, I just don’t like the invasion of privacy.

However, it seems like kids now have little to no shame, so I guess they don’t mind. And it makes me cringe just imagining what that is going to lead to in the future.

It seems like they grew up believing that “there is no such thing as bad publicity”, but they are going to find out how wrong that is in the real world. It is one of the reasons I HATE most reality shows, when you make celebrities out of people who are willing to be complete A-holes on TV and then get famous and rich doing it, well that just sends the wrong message. IMHO

Comment by Steve J
2012-03-06 10:33:04

Today’s photos will not last long. A hard drive crash, Facebook shutting down….and they are all gone.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-06 11:03:21

True, Steve—but it does not need to be that way.

I call data that exists only on a single hard-drive “Schroedinger’s Data.” It exists only as a probability density function, and thus may not exist at all.

Data has to existing in two places to really exist; three is preferable.

If you have data on only one drive, backup your data today!

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-03-06 11:14:08

I call data that exists only on a single hard-drive “Schroedinger’s Data.”

Nice :-).

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-06 12:25:08

Today’s photos will not last long. A hard drive crash, Facebook shutting down….and they are all gone.

Part of the problem is that it doesn’t cost anything to take pictures, unlike in the old days when the film was used up, you were done.

This creates a new situation

1) Having thousands upon thosands of images to manage: sort, categorize, tag and backup. No one has the time or inclination to do this.

2) Most of the pictures are junk, taken frivolously. Who wants to take the time to organize those?

3) Images are considered throwaway because they have a low cost to create but a high cost to preserve.

This means that when todays young pups are seniors, they probably won’t have any pictures from their past unlike todays senions who have photoalbums lining their shelves.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-06 12:32:28

I agree with your individual points, but disagree with your conclusion.

So many more photos are being taken that even if a significant fraction of them are lost, this generation will _still_ have far more pictures of their past than any previous generation.

 
Comment by Steve J
2012-03-06 12:46:15

Please note that the only surviving photo of Monica Lewinsky and Clinton together was taken by a film photographer. The hundreds of other digital photographers present deleted that photo as being non-important.

And that was 16 years ago.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-06 14:40:24

So many more photos are being taken that even if a significant fraction of them are lost, this generation will _still_ have far more pictures of their past than any previous generation.

All it takes is a hard drive crash and everything is lost, as few bother to backup. I have a big SD card plugged into my PC, and I will ocassionaly do a drag and drop. MOst don’t even do that. The only backup many have is facebook.

 
Comment by drumminj
2012-03-06 16:41:07

I have a big SD card plugged into my PC, and I will ocassionaly do a drag and drop.

I recently bought a couple of USB jump drives and have backed up important data to them. One copy will be kept in the safe, and one sent off to my family in Illinois…that way I’ll have a backup of important docs and photos that will survive an earthquake or volcano in the area :)

 
 
 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-03-06 07:45:43

So use those accounts to “brand yourself” instead of as a gossip or joke swap center & perhaps you can turn the tables?

One of my kids is signed up as an 82 year old. They’ve been very creative w/ their profile with almost all of it being made up. I’ve also wondered w/the proliferation of identity theft how safe it is to rely on LinkedIn as way to distribute your resume.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-06 09:38:37

“brand yourself”

WTH did this “brand yourself” meme come from? Heard it at work recently for the first time…

Bleagh.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-06 11:02:08

Cuz we’re all gonna be “freelance contractors” some day. The idea is to “make yourself noticed” which is why realtors have their faces plastered all over the place.

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Comment by sfrenter
2012-03-06 15:22:23

why realtors have their faces plastered all over the place.

why why do realtors do that?

Who cares what you look like (unless you are a model or an actor).

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-03-06 14:26:16

Heh Heh! I’ve been hearing it pretty regularly from the under 40 crowd. I think it makes sense w/Facebook. If you’re going to be studied by employers, clients or others, your data sliced and diced, why can’t you make it work for you instead of against you?

Really, all they’re talking about is putting your best foot forward and silencing anything that would put you in a negative light. Doesn’t that make sense for a forum where whatever you say/post is out there for public consumption forever even long beyond your death?

It’s kind of like you’re on a perpetual interview only more relaxed.

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Comment by rms
2012-03-06 08:11:26

It used to be that your employer was only interested in your performance at work. Now they want to know how you vote, where you worship, how you spend your money, who and how you have sex with, what sports you participate in, etc., and this inquiry is somehow justified. Maybe they should pay us with money that is only redeemable at approved businesses?

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-06 09:37:31

Maybe they should pay us with money that is only redeemable at approved businesses?

Don’t give them ideas, rms!!

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-03-06 09:43:42

I guess you haven’t heard of “pay cards” have you?

Many places now pay with electronic plastic. They just fill up your card on payday. They are NOT redeemable at just any ATM or store, either.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-06 10:00:41

My daughter was paid via a Visa paycard at a previous job. I think this wil become more common for the Lucky Ducky crowd.

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Comment by polly
2012-03-06 11:25:24

I think the employers might honestly consider this a feature, not a bug for paying people who don’t have bank accounts. Think about it. Would you rather get a paper check that you have to pay an outrageously huge fee to get cashed or a card that can be used at any store that takes Visa? Yes, the employer can probably get the information on where you spent the money and that is a pretty severe invasion of privacy, but on lucky ducky wages, is that privacy worth paying a 7% fee to get cash for the check? What about 10%? What about more?

 
Comment by oxide
2012-03-06 11:49:31

I always figured that those pay cards were a stealth circular kickback.

Visa supplies payroll services to employer –> employer pays employee in Visabucks –> employee pays slightly inflated prices to merchant –> merchant pays fee to Visa, Visa supplies payroll services to employer.

Effectively, the customers supply Visa with their middleman fee. It’s extortion is a cute sort of way.

Are those Visa cards like debit cards? Can you get cash back at the grocery store? That’s one way to get around the privacy issue.

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-06 10:23:12

Ha!

(Eyes thought ’bout sending out a 1/2 page resume once-upon-a-time describing how eyes had to dissemble a single barrel carburetor on me’s 1949 Studebaker pick-up along a busy canyon road as an example of over-coming challenges + quick action. But eye figured that they’d focus on the fact that eye was driving a Studebaker, and that in itself would sink my chances.) :-/

 
Comment by WT Economist
2012-03-06 11:00:27

Well, they used to be interested in your race and sex, with certain races and sexes limited to certain jobs.

After a brief period, tribalism in human nature re-asserts itself.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2012-03-06 09:14:37

What scares me is little disclaimers like this: “The athletics department also reserves the right to have other staff members monitor athletes’ posts.”

Excuse me, but where did this “right” come from? You can’t just say you “reserve” a right and suddenly override the Constitution. I suspect it’s in the Fine Print. You want scholarship money? Sign over your privacy.

And that MSNBC article is the height of hypocrisy. It was not too long ago that you could post anonymous comments after each Bob Sullivan entry. Now, the only way you can comment or read comments is by — you guessed it — on his Facebook page.

Comment by Steve J
2012-03-06 10:51:40

Athletics departments have long had scope over the off field activities of student athletes.

 
Comment by polly
2012-03-06 11:27:50

The right comes because the athletic department gets to choose who is on the team. As a general rule, they are going to want the best players/athletes, but that isn’t the only consideration for them.

 
 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-03-06 09:46:23

Idiots who “need” their Facebook deserve what they get.

Private organizations demanding access to your private life is nothing less than fascism.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-03-06 10:04:16

Some people find it difficult to say no.

Comment by sfrenter
2012-03-06 15:28:52

Some people find it difficult to say no.

Many the folks I know have 2 FB identities - one “clean” and one for their closer friends.

I personally do not want my boss, who I am friends with on FB, seeing my status updates about how great the surf was on a day I called in sick.

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Comment by oxide
2012-03-06 11:58:49

Turkey, it will be a condition of getting/keeping the job. If you refuse, then you “won’t be a team player” and “aren’t a good fit for the organization.”

Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-06 12:35:06

Easy! Just have two Facebook accounts! The real one were you brag about drugs and one night stands, political views, etc. and the other one where you are a boring saint and your only “friends” are relatives.

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Comment by oxide
2012-03-06 14:30:31

They already have that. It’s called “Linked-In.”

 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-03-06 12:35:18

And if you don’t do Fakebook?

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Comment by rms
2012-03-06 13:04:45

And if you don’t do Fakebook?

No future?

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-03-06 14:25:16

Would that be like working at the mill and not doing poker night? How do you do that?

 
 
 
 
Comment by ahansen
2012-03-06 22:51:47

It’s a fairly simple matter to set up a fake account for nosy schools and employers….

 
 
Comment by Darrell in Phoenix
2012-03-06 08:27:03

http://www.azcentral.com/community/westvalley/articles/2012/01/25/20120125west-valley-youngtown-disbanding.html

“Cash-strapped Youngtown considers disbanding”

“A standing-room-only crowd crammed into a Youngtown meeting room as the town’s leaders debated disbanding their 50-year-old police force.

Some residents yelled at council members. Others wept in the back of the room. The mayor, his temper flaring, threatened to have the chambers cleared.

Three hours later, six police officers left without jobs. Each was given a month’s pay and told to hand over gun and badge.

The December move was a sign of just how desperate things have become in the northwest Valley town, as a budget shortfall endlessly chips away at public services and, perhaps eventually, the town itself.”

“The town could make further budget cuts so steep that most services are gone. It could seek to be annexed by a neighboring city.

Or it could disincorporate, ceasing to exist as its own town and returning to be a piece of Maricopa County.

It’s the first modern Arizona town or city to openly consider calling it quits because of money woes.”

“A town ordinance required that one resident in every home be more than 55 years old and that no one be under 18 years old. In 1998, the town lost a legal battle with the state attorney general and was forced to lift its age restriction.

An influx of young families and children followed. The population doubled from about 3,000 to more than 6,000 over the years, and the town catered to its new residents with playgrounds and youth-sports programs.

Crime rates rose, increasing the demand for police and code enforcement. Officers who had spent much of their time dealing with minor problems were receiving calls for domestic violence, drugs and sex crimes involving minors.

The town’s new residents weren’t as apt to keep neatly manicured lawns and gardens, spurring complaints from longtime residents.

Youngtown’s transition from retirement community to one like any other across the Phoenix area was the tipping point toward its current budget conundrum.”

Damn kids of today. Why can’t they just stay off my lawn.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-03-06 08:46:43

Some residents yelled at council members. Others wept in the back of the room. The mayor, his temper flaring, threatened to have the chambers cleared.

Three hours later, six police officers left without jobs. Each was given a month’s pay and told to hand over gun and badge.

Sounds like the beginning of a good Western.

Comment by b-hamster
2012-03-06 10:23:04

I often wonder how much of this fiscal strife is due to the War on Terror and the paramilitarization of our police forces. I look at the equipment that these cops have in a small town like mine where there is virtually no violent crime. Back in the2001-ish when all this federal funding was available to buy these quarter-million-dollar pieces of equipment (I recall following a bomb unit or something silly like that and wondering who foots the bill for that). Now they need to be replaced and/or maintained and the bill is probably not being picked up by the federal government. So the bar is raised and under mandate of our federal government and now the local municipalities are now burdened with these significant added costs.

I am sure there is more to this story than single moms with unmanicured lawns.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-06 10:45:39

“I often wonder how much of this fiscal strife is due to the War on Terror and the paramilitarization of our police forces.”

Fear! Fear! Fear! :-/

Now, do they get “training” le$$ons? … where? … how much for the conference$”? … How do they get there$? … do they utilize public transportation or car rental “Bidne$$” … Do they $tay in a KOA cabin for x3 days?

Green $hoots, toss in that link ’bout “broken window$” ;-)

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-06 10:55:24

I look at the equipment that these cops have in a small town like mine where there is virtually no violent crime.

Same here. I’ll give our local PD credit, at least they never bought a tank, but we do have a SWAT unit, mostly for dealing with the meth labs that pop up like dandelions in the spring.

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Comment by b-hamster
2012-03-06 11:20:31

I am never one to dismiss a juicy conspiracy theory, but when I read how the DHS (a quasi-national police force, supposedly prohibited under the increasingly meaningless Constitution) orchestrated the suppression of the Occupy movements in the various cities, I cannot help but think that something greater is afoot in this country a discontentment mounts.

 
Comment by goon squad
2012-03-06 12:15:05

Am looking forward to the DNC in Charlotte and the RNC in Tampa to see how the fascist police state maintains law and order in what will likely be a “long hot summer” this year…

 
Comment by MightyMike
2012-03-06 13:21:47

Which part of the constitution bans a national police force? Is the FBI unconstitutional too?

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-06 13:41:17

Which part of the constitution bans a national police force? Is the FBI unconstitutional too?

I think b-hamster was confusing the Posse Comitatus Act on prohibiting Federal Military resources from being used to enforce law within the boundaries of the US. BTW, this only applies to the Federal Army and Air Force. It doesn’t apply to the Navy, Marines, National Guard or Coast Guard.

Having said that, exactly how many police and paramilitary organizations do you need operating within CONUS at the Federal level? By my count, we have the FBI, ATF, DEA, ICE, NSA and DHS…

 
Comment by b-hamster
2012-03-06 14:55:40

“Which part of the constitution bans a national police force? Is the FBI unconstitutional too?”

I believe that in the Constitution’s body or amendments (1oth?) there was a section specifying certain rights to states that could not be superseded by the federal body unless prohibited under federal law or the Constitution. So there is a grey area as to whether a municipal police force loses its autonomy and authority to the DHS, etc. when not voluntarily ceded. I understand that the FBI deals with federal interstate issues, and no state agencies possess that ability.

 
 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-06 13:05:25

Now they need to be replaced and/or maintained and the bill is probably not being picked up by the federal government.

Lots of recent examples of this. The Fed will sell surplus military equipment to any police organization willing to buy, and often at huge discounts. This works fairly well when we’re talking about automatic weapons and such, but many of these police departments bought armored vehicles, helicopters, boats, etc. These things need to be maintained and that cost is fully born by the department that purchased the equipment.

As far as the militarization of police goes, it’s all about intimidation and the desire for overwhelming force. I watched an episode of Alaska State Troopers last night. Once scene in particular was amusing. Troopers confront a man who allegedly threatened another motorist with a handgun (road rage incident). One (young) man with a Glock was taken into custody by 10+ troopers with M16/AR15 assault rifles. The host stated “the suspect is armed, so troopers are taking no chances and deploying with their patrol rifles”. Keep in mind, all the troopers have duty-issue side arms. Seems in this day and age, it isn’t enough. Another trooper joked about “letting the dog loose on him”.

The assault rifle was about ensuring complete fire superiority and intimidation of the suspect to bring him into custody. Nothing stated about the suspects legal or illegal possession of the handgun… was it legally owned? Nothing about the circumstances of the road rage encounter… was the suspect threatened and (unwisely) showed his piece to deter an attack? Just a paramilitary take-down on a small US city street.

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Comment by rms
2012-03-06 23:33:25

+1 Good post, NE.

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-06 13:45:40

“Sounds like the beginning of a good Western.”

Cue Clint & Gene in “Unforgiven”:

” It’s got nutin’ to do with deservin’ “

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-03-06 08:57:47

1n 2000 it was over 90% white

# White alone - 2,651 (56.1%)
# Hispanic - 1,618 (34.2%)
# Two or more races - 214 (4.5%)
# Black alone - 141 (3.0%)
# Asian alone - 91 (1.9%)

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/city/Youngtown-Arizona.html#ixzz1oLw595Io

Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-06 10:57:43

The Mexodus in action

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2012-03-06 08:59:34

“In 1998, the town lost a legal battle with the state attorney general and was forced to lift its age restriction.”

Why? Isn’t Sun City a 55+ community? Why one town and not another?

Comment by WT Economist
2012-03-06 09:27:37

Private parties can pull all kinds of stuff. Banning families from an entire town by government fiat is something else altogether.

My guess is that it is something like banning races by deed covenant. People can do it. But the government can’t enforce it. Someone got desperate and sold to a young family, and the government refused to enforce the covenant. If it was a straight zoning regulation, then people were nuts to try it.

Perhaps they should have named the community “Oldstown.”

There is a great scam for Generation Greed. Your own community so you don’t have to pay local taxes for schools for the next generation. But not a separate country, so the next generation has to pay for federal old age benefits for you.

Comment by Jim A
2012-03-06 09:47:53

HOAs can have all sorts of rules that governments can’t. Which is one reason I’ll never live in a neighborhood that has them. I refuse to sell my freedoms so cheaply.

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Comment by Steve J
2012-03-06 10:54:26

Cities can still tax based on age.

 
Comment by Awaiting
2012-03-06 11:55:17

JimA
A wise man you are. We’ve bought into the HOA totalitarianism lifestyle twice, and will never again.

I rather have a paint job that’s not my flavor, or a home that is the ugly duckling in the neighborhood, than to give up my freedom. Freedom has a price.

 
Comment by Avocado
2012-03-06 14:09:06

I too did it twice, never again. One was a condo set up with $275 mo. Next was a home with only $140 per yr. Seems like the curmudgeons on the board all had nothing better to do. Never again.

 
 
Comment by polly
2012-03-06 12:49:08

“Perhaps they should have named the community “Oldstown.””

Boring Glenn

We could have fun with this one.

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Comment by Jim A
2012-03-06 17:42:13

Greyburg. Altzheimer Acres. Geritopolis.

 
 
 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2012-03-06 09:30:22

“Residents don’t pay a city property tax.”

But they still want services. Can’t the local government just borrow so we can have our benefits without paying, like we’ve been promised at the federal level?

This country is screwed.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-03-06 13:18:28

There is more to this scam town than meets the eye.

 
 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-03-06 08:36:31

As Rush et al hurry the GOP towards their demographic collapse, the Kochtopus, hoping to co-opt the next generation, turns its attention to the libertarians:

Cato Goes to War
The Koch brothers have launched an extraordinary campaign to take control of America’s most respected libertarian think tank. Will they destroy it?
By David Weigel

Charles and David Koch have been putting some of their hard-won oil wealth into libertarian causes since the 1970s. A lot of the money has gone to theoretical, academic research—Cato, the Mercatus Center,* internship programs for college students. Charles Koch had helped to found Cato in 1977, but in 1991, he bolted; the think tank wasn’t producing his kind of results. David joined Cato as Charles left, becoming a minority partner, present but not really policing the think tank’s work.

In 2009, after Barack Obama’s Democrats passed health care legislation and tried to pass a cap-and-trade energy tax, the Kochs stepped up their political activism. Americans for Prosperity, a grass-roots organizing group chaired by David Koch, helped build the Tea Party movement with conferences, bus tours, and punditry; its budget grew from $7 million pre-Obama to $40 million in 2010.

The Cato Institute had never been so directly involved in politics. Its scholars had criticized Republicans when they were in power; they criticized Democrats when they started ruining things their own way. But if other Koch-connected organizations were at war with Obama, Cato largely sat it out. When the Occupy Wall Street movement began, Americans for Prosperity denounced its “violent rhetoric.” Jim Harper, director of information policy studies at Cato, blogged a Venn diagram and wrote that “to the extent the substance of [Occupy Wall Street’s] grievance is, or can be turned to, corporations’ use of government power to win unjust power and profits for themselves, that’s a grievance I can sit in a drum circle for.” In 2011, according to Cato chairman of the board Bob Levy, the think tank got no money whatsoever from the Kochs.

On Oct. 26, 2011, Niskanen passed away. Within days, Crane learned that the Kochs would be coming after the Cato shares held by Niskansen’s widow, arguing that they were not hers to hold. A win would give them complete control of the think tank, with a supermajority to make key hiring decisions…

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/03/the_kochs_brothers_are_trying_to_seize_control_of_the_libertarian_think_tank_cato_.html

Comment by butters
2012-03-06 10:52:03

Cato is too bland for my taste. Mises is what I am warming up to these days.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-06 11:17:47

“to the extent the substance of [Occupy Wall Street’s] grievance is, or can be turned to, corporation$’ use of government power$ to win unjust power and profit$ for themselve$, that’s a grievance I can sit in a drum circle for.”

$ = “bidne$$” Clef note

Songwriters: COLE, NAT KING/MILLS, IRVING

The buzzard took the monkey for a ride in the air
The monkey thought that everything was on a square
Buzzard tried to throw the monkey off his back
But the monkey grabbed his neck and said, “Now listen, Jack”

$traighten up and play right!
$traighten up and play right!
$traighten up and play right!

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-03-06 12:27:28

Purity-litmus-ideology tests are models. Models fail in the real world.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-03-06 14:33:17

Koch doesn’t give a crap about any ideology, other than de-fanging the regulatory arms of the Federal Government, so they can continue plundering US and Native American lands for free.

It’s a lot cheaper to buy off state-level legislators and regulators than to buy off the Feds. And this assumes that the state government hasn’t gone whole hog Republican.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-03-06 18:25:54

“Koch doesn’t give a crap about any ideology,”

But ideology is everything to their minions and apologists. They believe, falsely, there will be Nirvana if the ideology is executed. The survival of the Kochtopus and other corporatist creatures is entirely dependent on their peon and peasant class minions working against their own economic interests.

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Comment by ducks
2012-03-06 15:25:21

–Kochtopus—

Sigh. Starting the day with ad hom insult always weakens the discussion

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-06 09:36:14

There is blood in The Street today.

Dow down as much as 175

U.S. stocks start sharply lower Tuesday as investors focus on the risk of a disorderly default in Greece and extend an equity-market reaction to China’s slashing of its official economic-growth forecast.
STOCKS AND SECTORS: B. of A., Goldman, Morgan hit financials

Comment by butters
2012-03-06 10:25:09

It’s all planned. Markets will go down as much as 20% in next couple of months. There will be a QE4 coming in summer just in time for election.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-03-06 12:43:13

Watch out for men blazing the bazookas.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-06 20:41:55

I think you are on to something. You can’t have QE3 without a preceding stock market crash to justify it.

 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-03-06 14:20:31

Well, this story just came out:


“The Goldman Sachs deal is a very sexy story between two sinners,” Sardelis, who oversaw the swap as head of Greece’s Public Debt Management Agency from 1999 through 2004, said in an interview.

“Like the municipalities, Greece is just another example of a poorly governed client that got taken apart,” Satyajit Das, a risk consultant and author of “Extreme Money: Masters of the Universe and the Cult of Risk,” said in a phone interview. “These trades are structured not to be unwound, and Goldman is ruthless about ensuring that its interests aren’t compromised — it’s part of the DNA of that organization.”

Bloomberg News filed a lawsuit at the EU’s General Court seeking disclosure of European Central Bank documents on Greece’s use of derivatives to hide loans. Releasing such information could damage the commercial interests of the ECB’s counterparties, hurt banks and markets, and undermine the economic policy of Greece and the EU, the central bank said last May in a response to the suit. A judgment is pending.

The derivative Loudiadis offered Sardelis in 2001 was also complex. Designed to provide a cheap way to repay 2.8 billion euros, the swap had a “teaser rate,” or a three-year grace period, after which Greece would have 15 years to repay Goldman Sachs, Sardelis said. All in, the deal appeared cheap to officials at the time, he said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-06/goldman-secret-greece-loan-shows-two-sinners-as-client-unravels.html

Let the finger-pointing begin. At this point it sounds like an entire country got hustled by GS. So, that might be a data point about why the market is less than convivial today. Of course, with the insiders’ movements, the HFTs, the Greek debt situation slouching towards default and other issues could be factors. Got chicken entrails?

Comment by measton
2012-03-06 16:25:44

My guess is GS hid the problem then bet against Greece while encouraging it’s clients, and pensions funds and others to take the loosing side of the bet with a big Power Point presentation.

Gee Where have we seen this investment stratedgy used before???

 
 
 
Comment by Amy P
2012-03-06 10:50:39

There’s a link in this post to a WaPo piece about a couple who has lived in a house rent-free for five years.

http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2012/03/06/free-rent-bonanza-2/

They should do seminars or something.

 
Comment by Steve J
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-06 12:32:16

Cool! tanks! [Irish twang]

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-06 20:40:50

Its uglier than the growth of a colony of deadly bacteria in a petri dish.

 
 
Comment by Figaro
2012-03-06 11:46:15

Hi, long time lurker, not sure where to post this, so here goes. You all are such a great resource and I’m 100 times smarter for following this blog. I owe you all a great big thanks. Now, my problem is this: I need a referral for a good estate attorney in the Boise area. It’s the usual story of how a well-thought out estate plan can go wrong in a heartbeat when the executor is incompentent and the trustee is untrustworthy. As a beneficiary living in SoCal, it’s not easy for me to resolve issues long distance. Not going to bore anyone with details (unless you ask) but I would appreciate any referrals and/or advice. Thanks all!

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-06 12:21:14

There use to be a poster here, DennisN if I recollect, that was an attorney in the Boise area, haven’t seen him or his wonderful recipes in some time however.

Good luck …

“It’s the usual story of how a well-thought out estate plan can go wrong in a heartbeat when the executor is incompentent and the trustee is untrustworthy.”

(Yeppers, & it could be worse, $it-u-a-shun could involve family fraudster$… it’s a long $tory …) :-/

Comment by b-hamster
2012-03-06 12:52:39

“(Yeppers, & it could be worse, $it-u-a-shun could involve family fraudster$… it’s a long $tory …)”

This will probably become more common as the earnings and wealth of the Gen X/Y is more reliant by what their folks leave for them. I see it all the time up here where kids eschew any type of work ethic or material desire when they know there’s a cool million (or more) waiting for them upon their parents eventual passing.

 
Comment by drumminj
2012-03-06 12:54:52

There use to be a poster here, DennisN if I recollect, that was an attorney in the Boise area,

He was a patent/IP attorney

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-06 13:36:13

“He was a patent/IP attorney”

Oh now, eyes certain he has friends … in the “field”. :-)

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Comment by polly
2012-03-06 13:56:16

Exactly. He’ll know people.

 
 
 
 
Comment by polly
2012-03-06 12:55:47

Anyone who promises to be able to “fix everything” before they have the facts is lying.

Other than that, you need a recommendation from someone local. I would never hesitate to recommend the person my parents use in MA. I’ve heard stories about the stuff he does for them for years. Nothing beats local for that. But it sounds like you know that already. I hope our Idaho people are reading.

Oh, and for something like you describe, sometimes a law firm in a suburb, is better than the ones that are in the main city in that area. Not too far away - you want them to know the local judges, but suburban law firms/practitioners may specialize in dealing with estate issues.

 
Comment by rms
2012-03-06 13:01:49

Not going to bore anyone with details (unless you ask)…

A wee dash of humanity in action is always appreciated.

Comment by Figaro
2012-03-06 13:37:11

Thanks…the support is really appreciated. I’ve been thru this process a few times, and it seems that anytime you make a honest effort to honor the deceased person’s wishes, you are made out to be a greedy little b*stard. The funny thing is these folks hate dealing with attorneys yet the things they do seem to bring it on by their own actions. Our family is fine financially so the money isn’t the issue, it’s more about knowing what the deceased’s persons wishes are for a fact instead of an interpretation of the facts.

Comment by rms
2012-03-06 19:57:48

Our family is fine financially so the money isn’t the issue…

A former business partner passed away unexpectedly, and he was borrowing some expensive equipment; an in-law quickly moves in and steals everything in sight and sells it. Approached, the excuse was, “You’re an successful engineer, and besides…you weren’t using the stuff anyway.”

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Comment by goon squad
2012-03-06 11:48:07

The Realtor is posting on facebook that Denver’s inventory is lowering and that prices are rising. I called him out on this and will repost the discussion here…

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-03-06 12:25:35

We already know the outcome.

Realtors Are Liars.

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-06 12:30:27

LOL! If the inventory is lowering, the builder boyz will be more than happy to remedy that.

Comment by goon squad
2012-03-06 12:50:05

Yeah right, rev up those F-350’s boyz! Prosperity is right around the corner and a chicken in every pot…

 
 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-03-06 12:44:04

Realtors sell crack cocaine.

Comment by goon squad
2012-03-06 13:12:34

The Realtor responded, I will continue the discussion and repost it in tomorrow’s bits bucket.

 
Comment by Muggy
2012-03-06 17:42:57

They smoke it, too. Frickin’ crackheads.

 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-03-06 12:58:12

I found this analysis of the Maryland budget amusing. It’s a “Doomsday Budget” with draconian cuts. But overall spending will stay at current levels. Glorious doublespeak and fearmongering. I guess the politicians would be scared if they can’t continue to get the crack (money) which keeps them in office.

Maryland analysts have outlined nearly $800 million in additional budget cuts to fill budget gaps in case lawmakers can’t agree on new taxes or savings.

A big piece could come from eliminating the Geographic Cost of Education Index, which would save about $129 million. The GCEI helps areas where schooling costs more. Eliminating 500 state jobs would save another $30 million.

“This is not a scare tactic,” Senate President Mike Miller told senators Monday night.

The chairman of the Senate committee, Democrat Ed Kasemeyer of Baltimore County, says if approved overall state spending would remain at current levels, though a number of programs would be cut, to offset increases in spending in other areas.

http://wbal.com/article/87426/3/template-story/-Doomsday-Budget-Unveiled

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-03-06 13:28:28

“increases in spending in other areas” is what is meant by “Draconian Cuts” these days.

 
 
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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-06 14:36:56

Kinda pathetic ain’t it?:

The quasi-black hominid (non-Hawaiian) going down in quick sand, or the cackling repubican “True-purity” hyena’$ run around ‘em:

(but hey, ignore the blood on their lip$ as they make yet another “pledge” about their “TrueFaith$”)

Ohio voter: ‘Not excited about any of them’

“Ebony Grantonz is the vice chairman of the Republican Party of Cuyahoga County, and the only Republican besides her husband–the minister–at Mount Moriah African Methodist Episcopal Church in Cleveland. “I’m not excited about any of them,” she told us of the Republican candidates, while expressing suspicions about the religions of Barack Obama and Mitt Romney.

“Rick Santorum would be the guy, as far as God and faith,” Grantonz said. “But he’s not on my ballot.”"

Cuyahoga = Hwy50 birthplace
Ebony = “Property” Not People

Tanks be for: Kansas + farmboys (me pa) + Protestant’s, who tend not to drink like … 1920’s 1st generation Irish-Catholic’s in Cleveland!

(It’s a long and winding road + Story) :-/

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-03-06 15:53:36

When was the last time this country had a President who was not first a career politician?

Comment by MightyMike
2012-03-06 17:26:55

The answer is probably 1953 - 1961, but why do you ask?

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Comment by Blue Skye
2012-03-06 18:08:15

I would like to see that again in my lifetime.

 
 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-06 14:41:38

The equivalent of when our mom’s used to kiss our boo-boos. It didn’t really help, but we felt better.

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2012-03-06 15:43:58

“TALLAHASSEE — Leon County Circuit Court Judge Jackie Fulford ruled against the state of Florida on Tuesday, declaring unconstitutional a 2011 law that cut state worker salaries 3 percent, or $1 billion, and shifted the money into the state’s pension fund.”

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/civil/article1218591.ece

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-06 16:23:20

AUTHERS NOTE from MARKETS
Debt mountain

3:43 AM It’s exhilarating scaling a mountain but the descent is often much riskier. The same is true of scaling back a debt mountain. Chris Watling, CEO of Longview Economics, explains to John Authers, the FT’s Long View columnist, that deleveraging could still have many years to run. Indeed, the process has barely started. (5m 7sec)

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-03-06 16:33:30

Boom-Era Property Speculators to Get Foreclosure Aid: Mortgages

By Prashant Gopal - Mar 5, 2012 12:00 AM ET

The Obama administration will extend mortgage assistance for the first time to investors who bought multiple homes before the market imploded, helping some speculators who drove up prices and inflated the housing bubble.

Landlords can qualify for up to four federally-subsidized loan workouts starting around May, as long as they rent out each house or have plans to fill them, under the revamped Home Affordable Modification Program, also known as HAMP, according to Timothy Massad, the Treasury’s assistant secretary for financial stability. The program pays banks to reduce monthly payments by cutting interest rates, stretching terms, and forgiving principal.

The government’s need to protect neighborhoods from blight and renters from eviction by keeping the current owners in place is outweighing concern that taxpayers will end up bailing out real-estate investors. The program is being enlarged after less than 1 million borrowers modified loans through HAMP, compared with the administration’s stated goal in 2009 of helping 3 million to 4 million homeowners.

“When we started the program we focused on owner-occupied houses because the need was so great and we wanted to target the efforts to that group,” said Massad. “Given where we are today, more and more people recognize that vacant properties are a problem no matter how they became vacant.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-05/boom-era-property-speculators-to-get-foreclosure-aid-mortgages.html - 187k -

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-06 20:38:02

“Boom-Era Property Speculators to Get Foreclosure Aid: Mortgages”

What disadvantaged group is up next for Uncle Sam’s beneficence? I’m rooting for long-term renters who were priced out of the Ownership Society by boom-era property speculators.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-03-06 17:43:07

Just caught my first airing of a cnyrealtor.com commercial. They’re pushing 3.5% downpayments and doing chalkboard workouts of what that would cost with “record low interest rates”. No mention that most people might not be eligible for the low number they used due to FICO issues.

I also couldn’t help but notice CNY’s famous skyhigh property taxes weren’t included as part of the mortgage payment. They just let that nice low unencumbered mortgage-only number hang out there like there was going to be nothing else added to the payment. It remained in the background as they suggested people should call their realtor today.

That’s your cue my friend to the east: Realtors are Liars.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-03-06 18:17:34

Waaaaay east in RI.

Oddly, my new carpenter foreman is a bonafide french fry out of montreal. Great carpenter, not too bright in the money dept. He built a 6400 sq ft dump just outside of Poultney and is now trying to get rid of it.

Him: My realtor friend told me he can get me 1.3 million this spring. I can’t sell it for less.

Me: Why can’t you?

Him: Because it appraised for that.

Me: How long ago did you get the appraisal?

Him: 2006

Me: There isn’t a buyer in that price range in the entire state. Those days are gone and they’re never coming back. Ever.

Him: You’re right. My property taxes are $15k yr. My total yearly expenses are $25k. I gotta get rid of it. My friend who is a realtor told me he could get me 1.3 mil for it this spring.

Me: You just said there isn’t a buyer for it at that price.

Him: But my realtor said so.

Me: You’re realtor is a liar. Never trust them. Ever.

Him: I’m not even living in it. We live down here.(RI)

Me: Get what you can get for today because it’s going to be less later for years to come.

What is it when an otherwise reasonably intelligent person in all other ways seem to go into robotic, trance like chanting when the topic of housing comes up?

Comment by Muggy
2012-03-06 18:50:30

Did you really say that? You’ve got stones, man.

I could have this conversation five times a day, and I just avoid it.

The thing that’s f’ed up is not a SINGLE person I work with has ever acknowledged the screw this puts to my family and other responsible peeps out there. It’s all, “yeah, I coulda got 3x in 2006.”

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-03-06 19:00:34

I said it. Word for word. I don’t see a problem with saying it.

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Comment by Muggy
2012-03-06 17:52:27
 
Comment by polly
2012-03-06 18:13:40

New York Times has a pretty useful summary of the returns so far on the front page.

So far they have Ron Paul taking 41% of the vote in Virginia. I don’t remember if Virginia is winner-take-all on the delegates.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-03-07 05:40:00

I think he and Romney were the only 2 on the ballot in that state.

 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-03-06 18:41:26

“Huge Spike in Repeat Foreclosures”

http://www.cnbc.com/id/46641784

Why buy now when you can buy later after prices crater for 65% less?

Comment by jeff saturday
2012-03-06 19:05:52

“Repeat foreclosures are either failed loan modifications, or loans that banks were attempting to modify but couldn’t.”

The house I`m renting is a repeat. They missed a year then got a mod, paid for 3 months and have now missed 8. I remember reading that they called foreclosures that had been modified “dirty clean”.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-03-06 19:12:18

My Bro Jethro,

What’s up with the shack offer? And your Liar? Any Liar litter to report?

 
 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-03-06 19:10:03

When do you all suppose the next bombardment of realtor lies will be? I mean aside from the monthly roster of rotten realtor rubbish?

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-06 20:48:42

Who would you like to see be the Republican presidential nominee?

Newt Gingrich 11.21% (816 votes)

Ron Paul 32.38% (2,356 votes)

Mitt Romney 33.59% (2,444 votes)

Rick Santorum 15.31% (1,114 votes)

Mitch Daniels 7.5% (546 votes)

Total Votes: 7,276

Comment by polly
2012-03-07 06:38:22

selection bias

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2012-03-07 00:55:36

Op-Ed Columnist
Have You No Shame, Rush?
By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: March 3, 2012

AS a woman who has been viciously slashed by Rush Limbaugh, I can tell you, it’s no fun.

At first you think, if he objects to the substance of what you’re saying, why can’t he just object to the substance of what you’re saying? Why go after you in the most personal and humiliating way?

Then, once you accept the fact that he has become the puppet master of the Republican Party by stirring bloodlust (earning enough to bribe Elton John to play at his fourth wedding), you still cringe at the thought that your mom might hear the ugly things he said.

Now he’s brutalizing a poised, wholesome-looking 30-year-old Georgetown law student as a “slut,” “a prostitute” and “round-heeled” simply for testifying to lawmakers about wanting the school to amend its health insurance to cover contraception.

Sandra Fluke “goes before a Congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex, what does that make her?” Limbaugh coarsely ranted. “It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She’s having so much sex she can’t afford the contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex. What does that make us? We’re the pimps. The johns.”

Isn’t this the last guy who should be pointing fingers and accusing others of taking pills for recreational purposes?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2012-03-07 00:59:06

March 6, 2012 6:28 pm
Bernanke’s QE silence a blow to gold price
By Jack Farchy in London
Studious avoidance of the subject disappoints

Rarely could two words – or the failure to mention them – have had such an impact.

For gold investors, who had set their hearts on a fresh bout of “quantitative easing”, Ben Bernanke’s studied avoidance of the subject last week came as a considerable disappointment. In the hours after the chairman of the Federal Reserve spoke, bullion prices tumbled almost $100 an ounce.

The 5 per cent fall, gold’s largest daily drop in more than three years, has triggered a nervous reappraisal of the precious metal among some investors: how strong can the fundamentals of the market be, they ask, if a non-denial from the Federal Reserve chief can have such a marked impact?

The nervous shake-out has continued this week with gold on Tuesday dipping below its 200-day moving average, a technical indicator closely watched by traders, for the first time since mid-January to touch a low of $1,664 a troy ounce.

When things get back to normal, then we’ll be back to looking at jewellery demand and mine supply,” says James Steel, precious metals strategist at HSBC in New York. “But right now, Fed policy is highly influential in determining the gold price.

Mr Bernanke’s role as the pacesetter of the gold market is nothing new. His hint of a second round of QE at a speech in August 2010 helped trigger a 15 per cent rally over the following four months. The Fed’s promise in August last year to keep rates on hold for two years provided the momentum for gold to rally to its nominal record $1,920 a troy ounce in September.

Nonetheless, the extent of last Wednesday’s fall and the decline in prices since then, has surprised many investors and analysts. After all, Mr Bernanke did not rule out a third round of quantitative easing – QE3 – he simply avoided reference to it.

There are hints that rates at the zero bound are no longer sufficient reasons for the gold price to move higher,” says Tom Kendall, precious metals analyst at Credit Suisse. “More QE is wanted.”

 
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