March 16, 2012

The Defining Event Of Our Era

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “This month, the three-bedroom bungalow, circa the 1960s and without much updating, sold for $421,800 over the asking price, where similar detached houses typically sell for just short of $900,000. The bungalow at 300 Dudley Ave. was listed at $759,000. Real estate experts call it the ‘new reality,’ and the high price paid for a north Toronto bungalow is the latest evidence. ‘We’re looking at this through a prism of our expectations growing up in Canada in the 1950s, ’60s and ’70s, when part of the Canadian dream was that you would own your own single-family home,’ said CBC business commentator Michael Hlinka. ‘But as Canada matures, we’re going to be looking at a new reality, where that may be out of reach. And I don’t think you can turn back the clock.’”

“The winning bid of $1,180,800 came from a university student whose parents live in China and own a business in San Francisco. There were four other bids of more than $1 million. In addition to China, investors pouring money into real estate are flocking to Canada from the Middle East, Korea, Russia, India and the Philippines as well, said Tony Ma, who owns HomeLife Landmark Realty in Markham. ‘They see an $8 million house here, they see the quality, they see the finishes and they think it’s cheap,’ Ma said.”

“Real estate projects in India are expected to surge in the price range of up to Rs10 million this year to satisfy the growing demand for decent housing. However, there is no forecast of any price corrections, said Rohit Ahuja, managing partner of Dubai-based real estate services firm Buniyad Retail, which is representing several home developers in the UAE. Ahuja advised property investors to look at Noida, Delhi, Gor Gaon and the upscale Chandigarh for quick gains. He asked investors to look at areas where secondary market is strong like in North India so that they can exit at any time, after making some gains.”

“Deepak Manaktala, who is organising the show and has bought an apartment himself, said he booked a property two months ago in Noida, which has since then shown a five per cent increase in its market value. ‘Other markets where money could be made are Mumbai, Pone, Thane, Bangalore and Goa,’ said Ahuja.

“More than half of the 124 skyscrapers currently under construction in the world are being built in China. But confidence is often based on nothing more than faith, hope and cheap credit. China avoided recession by flooding its economy with cheap credit — but that credit has mainly gone into financing the biggest property and infrastructure-building boom of all time. ‘This time will be different’ is the traditional formula to reassure nervous investors in the last years before a great economic bubble collapses. It was a constant refrain in the run-up to the Western financial crash of 2008-09, and now is heard daily about the Chinese property boom.”

“Take the city of Wuhan, southwest of Shanghai and about 500 kilometres in from the coast. It is only China’s ninth-largest city, but in addition to a skyscraper half again as high as the Empire State Building it is currently building a subway system that will cost $45 billion, two new airports, a whole new financial district, and hundreds of thousands of new housing units. It is paying for all this with cheap loans from state-run banks. Multiply the Wuhan example by hundreds of municipal authorities that are also borrowing billions to finance a similar ‘dash for growth,’ and you have a financial situation as volatile as the ’sub-prime mortgage’ scam that brought the U.S. economy to its knees. Except that when the Chinese property boom implodes, it may bring the whole world economy to its knees.”

“When a housing and credit bubble goes out of control, warned Albert Edwards, chief economist at the French bank Societe Generale, ‘you tap your foot on the brakes and whole thing starts crashing and you can’t control it.’ Nobody knows what will happen in China itself when growth stops and unemployment soars, but the Communist regime is clearly frightened of the answer. Maybe it can ride the crisis out until growth resumes at a slower pace in a few years, but with its Communist ideals long abandoned, its only remaining claim on people’s loyalty has been its ability to deliver rising prosperity. If that collapses, so may the regime.”

“Visiting multi-disciplined academic Nicole Foss says the fortunes of Western Australia’s booming economy could ‘turn on a dime’, something she concedes sounds like a radical ‘out of left field’ forecast. Ms Foss believes the global financial crisis of 2008 was only a taste of a greater catastrophe to come, a slow leak in a finance bubble that is going to burst on a much larger scale, leaving no country untouched for decades before a recovery.”

“‘The banking sector is extremely globally connected and we’re also looking at the Chinese bubble bursting and very strange things happening in India where their investment bubble is bursting as well in places like Mumbai. We’ve hollowed out our real economy to the point where there’s very little substance left and now we’re running on fumes in terms of our financial system and when that bubble implodes it can so really quite spectacularly. This is really going to be the defining event of our era,’ she said.”

“Onni Group, a Vancouver-based developer that last year bought two Downtown properties, is quietly finalizing plans to build a 32-story apartment tower at Ninth and Olive streets. The firm has been eyeing the Downtown Los Angeles market since about 2004, said Chris Evans, Onni’s executive vice president. The bulk of Onni’s business is in Canada, where between greater Vancouver and Toronto the company has nearly 4,000 condominiums currently under construction, Evans said. It also owns and manages about 4,000 rental units between Canada, Phoenix and Chicago.”

“Even if demand appears to be mounting, Onni’s proposal is not an obvious slam-dunk. Bill Witte, president of Related California, said that, for most developers, high-rise construction is generally too costly compared to rental returns. ‘The only way that makes sense, potentially, is if you’re really designing condos and the exit is that you convert to condos and sell them,’ said Witte.”

“A 45-story Las Vegas condominium tower that went bankrupt in the real estate crash has been repositioned by Southern California investors and units are back on the market at half their previous prices. The owners hope to appeal to buyers from Southern California – 45% of the units sold have been purchased by people from the Los Angeles area for personal use, said Santa Monica investor iStar Residential.”

“Prices at the former Panorama Tower North, now known as the Martin, range from the mid $200,000s to as much as $7 million for a penthouse. That’s more than $300 per foot, compared with the $600 a foot its developers sought before the crash. Demand for secondary homes is growing again, said Tripp DuBois of the Kor Group. ‘The supply of new-construction luxury high-rise buildings is dwindling and our price points are substantially below replacement costs,’ he said.”

“The $275 million Vue overcame fierce challenges when it became the only new luxury condo tower to survive the recession. As sales agents struggled to sell condo units in the weak housing market, developer Dan McLean has repeatedly said he would never turn the tower into rental units. McLean shared the following statement with the Observer: ‘The VUE Charlotte is remaining a condominium building. Nothing has changed. Several of its European mezzanine lenders are attempting to sell their junior mortgage to a third party investor. The VUE Charlotte has nothing to do with this process and will continue to sell condominiums as it always has.’”

“The Vue has said roughly 60 percent of the 409-unit building was presold. But relatively few of those units have closed. The Vue’s condos started selling from just under $200,000 to more than $2 million. Buyers paid 10 percent of the contracted sales price as a deposit.”

“Condo prices appear depressed in virtually every west and northwest suburban Chicago community. We’ve previously written, for example, about a 3-bedroom condo with an asking price of $54,900 and a 2-bedroom listed for less than half its 1990 sales price. As you’d expect, the bargain-priced condos are located at the margins of Oak Park rather than in more desirable locations. That’s where you’ll find the lowest-priced new listing from this past week, at 622 W Harrison Ave.”

“The unit is a 2nd floor 1-bedroom listed at $36,900. The unit sold for $143,000 when the building was converted to condos in 2002. It went into foreclosure, and is currently owned by Fannie Mae.”

“The unfinished condo-hotel on Fort Lauderdale beach that was to carry the name of real estate mogul Donald J. Trump was sold Wednesday in a foreclosure auction. The final price tag: $100 — plus its $165.6 million debt. The only bidder was the group that holds the property loan, Corus Construction Venture LLC. It bought the loan at a deep discount from a Chicago bank that failed during the real-estate slump.”

“Experts say it found no takers for two reasons: That price is too rich for the shuttered 24-story tower in today’s real-estate market, and there are too many lawsuits pending to make it attractive to buy. ‘To make it into a hotel at that (face value) price, you’d be paying more than $500,000 a room, And that would make for a very, very expensive hotel,’ said Mark Ellert, president of Fort Lauderdale-based real estate company IAG Florida.”

“Tyler Kivell will make two life-changing commitments this year. At the top of the agenda is the summer wedding he and his fiancée are planning. Before that though, the 24-year-old hopes to be signing the papers for a new house and moving out of his 800-square-foot apartment. Kivell, a University of Iowa graduate who works at an after-school program at Horn Elementary, has looked at about a half-dozen houses in North Liberty with his fiancée in recent months. The couple is looking for a ranch-style home with an open floor plan in the $250,000 to $275,000 range, and they’ve narrowed it down to a couple strong candidates.”

“His Realtor, Ted Burton Jacobsen, said that for buyers like Kivell, it’s a good time to be looking. ‘We’ve got that continued perfect storm of low prices and low interest rates,’ Jacobsen said. ‘The interest rates are pretty much at what we think is as low as they can go. This year there appears to be great signs of life.’”

“Kivell said he’s ready take the plunge — both with marriage and home ownership. ‘It’s time to have our money going somewhere,’ he said.”




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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-16 08:13:01

Thanks, Ben, for a great answer to one of my proposed weekend topics:

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-16 03:46:46

How does the Great Housing Bubble look these days in other parts of the world besides the U.S.?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-16 19:04:52

“The winning bid of $1,180,800 came from a university student whose parents live in China and own a business in San Francisco. There were four other bids of more than $1 million. In addition to China, investors pouring money into real estate are flocking to Canada from the Middle East, Korea, Russia, India and the Philippines as well, said Tony Ma, who owns HomeLife Landmark Realty in Markham. ‘They see an $8 million house here, they see the quality, they see the finishes and they think it’s cheap,’ Ma said.”

Can’t wait for the Chinese bubble to implode, leaving investors like this hopelessly underwater and bitter.

Comment by snake charmer
2012-03-17 04:27:32

Just think of the bailouts that will result.

 
 
 
Comment by ProperBostonian
2012-03-16 08:40:57

“We’re looking at this through a prism when part of the Canadian dream was that you would own your own single-family home,’ said CBC business commentator Michael Hlinka. ‘But as Canada matures, we’re going to be looking at a new reality, where that may be out of reach. And I don’t think you can turn back the clock.”

Stick around for a couple of years, the clock will turn back. What an idiot.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-16 09:16:16

Like there’s a shortage of land in Canada.

Comment by WT Economist
2012-03-16 11:30:54

Perhaps there is a shortage of land not under permafrost. But with global warming…

Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-16 12:58:25

There’s plenty of land around Toronto that isn’t tundra. Of course all the cool people want to live downtown in a postage stamp sized condo.

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Comment by polly
2012-03-16 13:14:30

It isn’t land that is the issue. It is land that people want to live on. A few extra communter lines into Toronto (and surroundign suburban development) would solve any issue with access to single family houses in a jiffy. Toronto traffic is very nasty. If they all want to live in single family houses that are actually in urban (not suburban

Of course, you want to figure out how many jobs there are actually going to be left when their housing bubble bursts before you even think about it, but that is the issue. A decent train to get you to work and/or cultural activities works wonders. Take a look at the value of houses close to NJ Transit lines into NYC and ones further away from them for a nice real time experiment. Or Long Island. Its access to the jobs that matter.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-16 19:06:44

Like there’s no shortage of idiot investors still out trying to profit before the final thunderous collapse of the Great Housing Bubble…

 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2012-03-16 18:05:39

I’ll be very honest that I don’t quite understand what’s driving the Canadian housing bubble since, allegedly, there were no liar loans or funny money shenanigans.

Comment by Ben Jones
2012-03-16 18:15:20

I’ve posted articles stating that Canadians are using home equity loans to buy foreclosures in Arizona. The UHS even brag they can get 100% borrowed. How much more leverage can there be than that? And if they can do that in the states, what can they get up to at home?

In China, they supposedly are requiring 30% down for investment houses. But I’ve posted articles with developers finding a way around that for pre-construction condos; zero down. A lot of this ‘we don’t have a bubble here cuz’ stuff is rationalizing. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck…

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2012-03-16 19:18:27

The Canadian bubble is absolutely massive. It’s clear that wages are not driving prices.

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Comment by 45north
2012-03-16 21:57:05

Stick around for a couple of years, the clock will turn back. What an idiot.

I’m a Canadian. I cannot believe how stupid Canadians are. We get our culture from the US, when I was growing up most of the cars were American, I remember watching American TV - Its Howdy Dowdy Time. I was surprised when my sons watched NFL instead of the Canadian Football League. So watching the American housing bubble for 6 years going on 7, I figure what happened in the States will happen in Canada for the same reasons - the average Joe is tapped out! The average Canadian owes 153% of his income. When the bubble burst it will be worse in Canada, I don’t think the banks will be able to keep delinquent mortgages on their books, they will have to foreclose. I think they are ready. No robo-signing, all mortgages properly registered, all transactions recorded, all assignments properly done. Case law in place. We are going to wake up and find that we live in a far harsher country than the one in which we grew up.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-16 23:43:00

“I cannot believe how stupid Canadians are. We get our culture from the US,…”

As the night follows the day…

 
Comment by snake charmer
2012-03-17 04:35:35

When I visited Canada ten years ago, I thought the western three-quarters of the country was culturally like the U.S., only with people who were nicer and less self-absorbed. Montreal felt a lot different, kind of European, with French-speaking immigrants from Africa and Vietnam. Interesting that these Canada bubble stories tend not to include Quebec.

 
Comment by BetterRenter
2012-03-17 19:14:55

“When the bubble burst it will be worse in Canada, I don’t think the banks will be able to keep delinquent mortgages on their books, they will have to foreclose. I think they are ready. No robo-signing, all mortgages properly registered, all transactions recorded, all assignments properly done. Case law in place.”

I’ve got some news for ya: You’re dead wrong.

Your national leaders and bankers won’t allow something as silly as law take them down. They will bring up all sorts of issues in order to stop the tsunami of foreclosures from bringing down their banks and their basis of getting paid to sip fine wine and eat caviar.

In the United States of DUH-merica, we’re so numbed with propaganda that the basic truth of the Great Housing Collapse is totally avoided: Actually foreclosing legally isn’t a challenge. The banks merely have to staff up for it. The records are totally in place, since– WAAAAAIT FOR IT– when they were processing mortgage payments, they sure as FSCK didn’t have any trouble assigning the proper amount of money to the proper owners of the mortgages. But when it came time to wind down bad mortgages, all of a sudden the system acted AUTISTIC. It’s all an act. It’s all theater. They are all lying to us to cover up the need to obey Economics 101.

And you Canucks will do the same. Your leaders and bankers are totally authorized to control you, and so they will. They will not allow your silly ‘laws’ to take them out of their offices, so that they would have to suffer even the slightest discomfort from being on the wrong end of the law for a change. This is how the world governance system has always worked; those who have control of economies always show disdain for rules when they run afoul of them. The corruption in the world’s governments is the highest it has ever been, given that so-called citizen and Human rights are allegedly being protected. Nothing could be further from the truth about those protections. We’re all wage and debt slaves (as an upgrade from the chattel slavery of the previous millennium), and the world must now turn to the next great enslavement: TAX slavery. Our governments will choose to totally enslave us as the alternative to losing power.

I hope that as I age too much to actually fight this, that our children will have to take up arms against their own governments to burn the ledgers once and for all.

 
 
 
Comment by exeter
2012-03-16 08:42:44

“Tyler Kivell will make two life-changing commitments this year. At the top of the agenda is the summer wedding he and his fiancée are planning. Before that though, the 24-year-old hopes to be signing the papers for a new house and moving out of his 800-square-foot apartment. Kivell, a University of Iowa graduate who works at an after-school program at Horn Elementary, has looked at about a half-dozen houses in North Liberty with his fiancée in recent months. The couple is looking for a ranch-style home with an open floor plan in the $250,000 to $275,000 range, and they’ve narrowed it down to a couple strong candidates.”

“His Realtor, Ted Burton Jacobsen, said that for buyers like Kivell, it’s a good time to be looking. ‘We’ve got that continued perfect storm of low prices and low interest rates,’ Jacobsen said. ‘The interest rates are pretty much at what we think is as low as they can go. This year there appears to be great signs of life.’”

“Kivell said he’s ready take the plunge — both with marriage and home ownership. ‘It’s time to have our money going somewhere,’ he said.”

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Red meat. Where to start. MORON sums it up nicely.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-16 09:17:43

275K for a house in BFE/Flyover Iowa?

Comment by exeter
2012-03-16 09:25:55

Hey…. at 24 years old, you deserve nothing but the best.

 
 
Comment by ProperBostonian
2012-03-16 09:53:43

Yea, I would say MORON about sums it up. And his job is at an after-school program at the elementary school. How much can that pay? You can get a house in overpriced Western Massachusetts for that price. Iowa?!

BTW Exeter I didn’t know you were using another name for a while. What was your nom de plume?

Comment by Ben Jones
2012-03-16 10:19:40

‘How much can that pay’

And who would loan a 24 YO that much money today if the govt wasn’t backing the paper?

Comment by ProperBostonian
2012-03-16 16:23:58

Good point.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2012-03-16 09:58:24

‘We’ve got that continued perfect storm of low prices and low interest rates,’

Ugghhh…no. You’ve got low interest rates and a lot of hype.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-16 10:10:27

Low prices? LOW PRICES? 275K for a house in Radar O’Reilly land?

 
 
 
Comment by Steve J
2012-03-16 09:20:53

So why would a Chinese real estate collapse negatively affect the US(baring a bloody revolution)?

Wouldn’t it just make Walmart prices even lower and free up some Middle East oil?

Comment by Ben Jones
2012-03-16 09:41:11

One could imagine lots of scenarios. But why does Greece matter so much to the stock/credit markets?

China is the largest economy now. They loan a lot of $ to the US govt. That alone could shake things up. Demand for Canadian RE would likely drop, as would demand for Australian resources. Canadians might stop pouring billions into AZ and FL RE.

And there’s the issue mentioned above; what hold do the communists have on the population except prosperity? I posted an article recently that claimed there were 180,000 mass demonstrations in China in 2010, and said 2011 was more active. Regime change in China would be interesting.

Comment by azdude
2012-03-16 16:01:15

if the chinese quit buying our treasuries I’m sure the FED will step up to the plate and buy more. they have to get housing rising again. without housing there is no sustainable recovery.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2012-03-16 16:07:37

Greece matters because so much wealth around the world consists of other people’s unpayable debt. Once default is perceived as a viable option, reality will impose itself instantly.

 
 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-16 09:23:43


[...] when part of the Canadian dream was that you would own your own single-family home,’ said CBC business commentator Michael Hlinka. ‘But as Canada matures, we’re going to be looking at a new reality, where that may be out of reach.

LOL…

The must be running out of land up in Canada… Or maybe lumber.

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

Comment by exeter
2012-03-16 09:28:40

Yeah…. reminds of Bob Troll’s statement back in 2005.

And if Canada were the hotbed economy as these a-holes falsely assert, then why is my crew of FrenchFry gyp board carpenters saying they’re not going back to Montreal?????

 
 
Comment by doom
2012-03-16 10:07:58

HOUSING IS GOING TO GET MUCH WORSE!

These loan Mods are no more than the owners of these homes just paying rent to the bank no equity will be seen and when the owners realize that the paltry monthly payment reduction doesn’t really work for them they will again be foreclosed and the cycle starts all over again?

Comment by azdude
2012-03-16 16:05:32

housing will not stay down forever. people have short memories and greed will kick in again.

Comment by bink
2012-03-16 18:01:21

Just like tulip bulbs.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-16 19:09:06

Tulips will eventually come back, too…eventually!

 
 
 
Comment by ProperBostonian
2012-03-16 16:10:36

“The banking sector is extremely globally connected and we’re also looking at the Chinese bubble bursting and very strange things happening in India where their investment bubble is bursting as well in places like Mumbai.”

A rebuttal from the article:
“Mineral and economics professor from Curtin University Daniel Packey disagreed, arguing the “bright” minds at the helm of global banks and reserves would safeguard against contagion.”

Are these the same “bright” minds that were at the helm in 2008? I think we heard the “everything is contained” mantra before. Packey should stick to minerals.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2012-03-16 16:16:26

I’d not heard that there was such a thing as “the Canadian dream.” Apparently every county now has a dream and using leverage to purchase overpriced real estate is part of it.

Comment by ProperBostonian
2012-03-16 17:20:34

I think they’re infringing on our copyright.

 
 
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