March 27, 2012

Totally Upside Down Forever

OC Metro reports from California. “Construction is underway on the first of what may ultimately be 14,000 new homes and apartments east of San Juan Capistrano on one of the last and largest parcels of undeveloped land in Orange County. Many of the homes in Sendero are slated to be priced between $330,000 and $700,000. An improving economy and the success of the Irvine Company over the past two and a half years selling homes in Irvine, particularly those priced under $1 million, has now buoyed CEO Tony Moiso’s belief that the time is right to jump-start his biggest and final development. ‘You never know, but all the signs are telling us that now is the time to get back into the market,’ Moiso said.”

The Victor Valley Daily Press. “A private investor who recently bought 233 abandoned housing lots in four Victor Valley subdivisions plans to sit on them until the housing market picks up, according to a broker involved in the deal. Construction halted after the housing market collapsed and a bank foreclosed on the properties.”

“In a separate recent transaction, another Southern California private investor bought 142 lots at the Tuscany III subdivision. During the past four years, investors have come into the High Desert, slowly buying up housing subdivisions as prices plummeted. A Newport Beach investor, for example, has purchased nearly 1,000 lots in Hesperia, according to Russ Blewett, Hesperia mayor and a former housing developer.”

“In February 2006, an average home in the desert sold for $327,561, according to data compiled by Larry Trombley of Century 21 Rose Realty. This year during the same month, a home averaged $116,812. Blewett said it’s good news that speculators are purchasing cheap housing lots from banks. The investors will maintain the lots and sell them to homebuilders for profit when the market starts recovering, he said. ‘I wouldn’t let banks own anything,’ Blewett said. ‘Frankly, they don’t know what to do with it.’”

LA Observed. “KB Home has made a bunch of mistakes over the past two years by purchasing land in foreclosure-plagued markets. From the Wall Street Journal: ‘In mid-2010, for example, KB bought land for nearly 700 new homes in Riverside and San Bernadino Counties in California, with a plan to finish development quickly and sell homes within six months. That plan, the order numbers show, hasn’t worked out as the company hoped. According to Metrostudy, KB Home has 43 active communities selling homes in five California counties and 42 active communities in central Florida, both areas with huge foreclosure problems. ‘They invested a lot of capital in the Inland Empire last year, and that’s a lousy market. It’s still one of the worst markets in the country,’ said John Burns, a consultant based in Irvine, Calif. ‘They put their eggs in the wrong basket.’”

The Desert Sun. “Shenandoah Springs Village was going to be exclusive. Mod homes within minutes of Interstate 10 backed by an emerald-green golf course and powered by hydrogen fuel cells and solar panels. A hotel-type concierge would run your errands during treatments at the spa and wellness center. The price tag for a piece of paradise: $500,000.”

“Four years later, five model homes sit vacant, picked over like roadkill. Los Angeles-based homebuilder Ronald Safren’s five models aren’t the only never-occupied ‘new’ houses abandoned in the Coachella Valley. The Cove’s dozen or so neighbors still wonder what will happen. Just two of the homes appear to be occupied. Some of the windows are boarded. A local phone number for Innovative Communities has been disconnected.”

“Ken McClintock bought his lot nearby for $90,000 and put a funky manufactured home on the property, hoping to capitalize on proximity. When The Cove lagged, he and a partner gave up their dreams of developing their own neighborhood on the other side of the wall. In 2008, the retired night club owner sold his home in Long Beach and moved into the manufactured unit in the desert.”

“Lots in the area now sell for $10,000. Cove homes originally listed for $400,000. Sanding a wooden table in his driveway, McClintock shrugs about his lost investment. He feels older and wiser. ‘Nobody could predict what was going to happen,’ he said.”

“Once the lawsuits are resolved, Shenandoah Springs will be significantly downsized — to a couple hundred homes at most. Price tag: mid-$300,000, tops. Shenandoah’s developers hope to revive the project. ‘We have to pick up the pieces,’ said Safren.”

Bakersfield Californian. “Homeowners in the northwest Bakersfield subdivision of North Pointe have resorted to erecting signs on their lawns to protest what they say is a change in neighborhood building standards that allegedly are lowering the value of their houses. When Jennifer Yester bought her four-bedroom, three-bathroom house in North Pointe, the sales agent assured her the community would be upscale. Yester liked what she heard, and paid $420,000 for a new home. The owner of the land sold the last 25 lots all at once to Farrow Homes. The new builder’s models stunned Yester and many others who had purchased places from the original builders.”

“They start in the upper $200,000s. ‘I thought, wow, we’re going to be totally upside down forever,’ Yester said. ‘I’ve heard maybe 40 people say they’re just going to walk away, which means we’re going to have a ton of abandoned homes and that’s going to be a nightmare.’”

From Bakersfield Now. “The Menis family has lived in southwest Bakersfield since 2004. They watched their home in the Southern Oaks development be built from the ground up. When the nation went through the economic downfall, the Menis family felt it, too. For two years, they didn’t make a payment, and they watched the price of their adjustable-rate mortgage skyrocket. ‘The payment got up high enough to pretty much where you couldn’t make them,’ Ken Menis said.”

“Like most Americans, they tried to get a modification and even tried to short-sell the home. But, eventually, they were forced into bankruptcy. Not knowing where else to turn, they sought legal help. The attorney found several items the Menis’ loan paperwork that the family couldn’t have imagined. ‘When (the attorney) looked at the (loan paperwork), right there he said these signatures don’t look the same,’ Menis said.”

The Modesto Bee. “Regulations are stricter, pay has dropped and times are tough for real estate appraisers, but there was guarded optimism at last week’s Appraisal Institute conference in Modesto. Bank-owned properties, short sale properties and traditional owner-occupied homes too often are appraised as being worth about the same, but Mark Verschelden said they shouldn’t be. The 22-year appraising veteran said Stanislaus County’s traditional owner-occupied homes have been selling for about 20 percent more than bank-owned foreclosures.”

“‘They’re not letting us bring these home values back up,’ said Verschelden, explaining his frustration. ‘But somebody’s got to get in and show there are differences in value from a vacant foreclosed house and the owner-occupied home across the street.’”

“Disparities between sales prices and appraised values can cause conflict, especially when a low appraisal kills a deal. ‘People don’t understand the whole appraisal process,’ said Walter Watson, another independent Modesto appraiser. ‘Our job isn’t to control values. It’s to report on what’s going on in the market.’”

The Santa Cruz Sentinel. “Rob Cornett has spent six months looking to buy a four-bedroom home in Watsonville for his growing family. He’s comfortable borrowing $330,000. But even though prices have fallen by half in some cases from the boom years and interest rates are near historic lows, which should favor buyers, he’s stumbling at the starting blocks. ‘I grew up in Watsonville. I live in Watsonville. I’d like to own in Watsonville,’ said Cornett.”

“Cornett wanted to make offers for 34 Villa St. and 113 Kingfisher Drive, homes that previously sold for $450,000 to $500,000, but cash investors beat him to the punch. ‘We never got to see the inside (of 34 Villa) because they required an offer to be submitted first,’ he said.”

“Cornett makes too much money to qualify as low income but doesn’t have $60,000 to put 20 percent down for a conventional loan. He has saved up more than $10,000 but wants to keep it in reserve for emergencies or repairs the new house might need. So instead of putting down 3.5 percent for a Federal Housing Administration loan, he’s opting for a USDA program that would guarantee the loan and let him borrow 100 percent of the purchase price. That makes his offer weaker than those putting more money down or paying all cash.”

“By the end of last week, Cornett thought he might get 40 La Hacienda for $343,000, with a $11,000 credit due to repairs needed. Then he learned he had to qualify for a loan from Bank of America, the loan servicer, even if he didn’t plan to get a loan there, and the deal was off. ‘They don’t offer zero down,’ he said.”




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Comment by Blue Skye
2012-03-27 06:02:08

“‘Nobody could predict what was going to happen,’ he said.”

You wouldn’t listen.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-27 08:50:31

“You wouldn’t listen.”

Anyone with a sensible prediction of how badly the housing bubble would end was drowned out by real estate and economics ‘experts’ who owned the access rights to the MSM bully pulpit.

 
Comment by Overtaxed
2012-03-27 09:44:17

“‘Nobody could predict what was going to happen,’ he said.”

Now that statement, right there, is the biggest line of BS that I’ve heard in a long time.

Not only “could” people predict it, they DID. Shiller (and others, I’m sure) wrote da** book about it, explaining, in detail, what was going to happen!

What they should say is:

“I was too dumb to do math, and too dumb to ask for advice from people who could do math”

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-27 10:18:18

Not only “could” people predict it, they DID. Shiller (and others, I’m sure) wrote da** book about it, explaining, in detail, what was going to happen!

ISTR that economists Dean Baker and Nouriel Roubini also predicted the housing bubble and crash. As did John R. Talbott, author of The Coming Crash in the Housing Market and Sell Now! The End of the Housing Bubble.

Comment by Overtaxed
2012-03-27 10:23:49

Yup, there were plenty of “people that matter” (IE, those on TV and who write books/articles) who all predicted this. So, saying “nobody could have known” is just a silly/stupid position to take, especially in this world of always on/always available information. Shiller wrote his book long before the crash. As did many others (including the classic from David L, the moron that he is).

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Comment by anotherblackhat
2012-03-27 10:47:12

Not only did they predict it, they also predicted people would say “no one could have predicted it”.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-27 22:07:25

Stupid is as stupid said.

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Comment by combotechie
2012-03-27 06:11:49

“A private investor who recently bought 233 abandonded housing lots in four Victor Valley subdivisions plans to sit on them until the housing market picks up …”

I myself plan on buying up 233 lots in Bodie, CA and sit on them until the housing market there picks up.

The price is especially attractive in Bodie (as in free) because Bodie is a ghost town, but that shouldn’t make any difference because they aren’t making any more land in Bodie just as they aren’t making any more land in Victor Valley.

Comment by combotechie
2012-03-27 06:31:09

The reason land in Bodie is cheap is because the precious ore that supported Bodie’s economy ran out. The reason land in Victor Valley is so cheap is because the insanity that drove the RE mania ran out.

Bodie will again boom when the ore returns. Victor valley will again boom when the mania returns.

Comment by Ben Jones
2012-03-27 06:43:13

It’s interesting to see these speculators buying lots, abandoned model houses and even starting 14,000 house developments. To the extent they’ve been encouraged by the govt efforts to “stabilize” prices, this is another example of distorting the economy and making things worse.

And again…

‘Cornett makes too much money to qualify as low income but doesn’t have $60,000 to put 20 percent down for a conventional loan. He has saved up more than $10,000 but wants to keep it…Cornett thought he might get 40 La Hacienda for $343,000, with a $11,000 credit due to repairs needed. Then he learned he had to qualify for a loan from Bank of America, the loan servicer, even if he didn’t plan to get a loan there, and the deal was off. ‘They don’t offer zero down,’ he said.’

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-27 06:53:01

“An improving economy and the success of the Irvine Company over the past two and a half years selling homes in Irvine, particularly those priced under $1 million”

But, but, but, …does anyone care to know that “they” [builder$/land owner$] were able to $ell those home$ by being the lender of 1st re$ort?

Looks like this might be the rea$on why, no? :-/

“Then he learned he had to qualify for a loan from Bank of America, the loan servicer, even if he didn’t plan to get a loan there, and the deal was off. ‘They don’t offer zero down,”

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Comment by jingle male
2012-03-27 11:34:31

Count me in….my first speculative purchase: Lincoln CA, Catta Verdera Country Club. A gated community above Sacramento.

I just purchase a lot from a bank that acquired a failed bank that made a loan for $350,000 on a lot that sold for $499,000 in 2004. The new bank foreclosed on the parcel and sat on the lot for a year trying to get $250,000, then $150,000, then $100,000. I paid $60,000. I don’t think you can reproduce 1-acre parcels with open space acreage on 2 sides for less then $50,000….if you got all the land for free.

Right now, I just get to mow the weeds, cut up firewood , pay the $155/month HOA fee and sit in my little piece of nirvana watching the cooper’s hawks fly around chasing the doves. I am so happy and look forward to building a house for sale in the next few years.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2012-03-27 11:55:15

‘I don’t think you can reproduce 1-acre parcels with open space acreage on 2 sides for less then $50,000′

‘Ken McClintock bought his lot nearby for $90,000…Lots in the area now sell for $10,000′

 
Comment by exeter
2012-03-27 15:23:48

You paid $60k for an acre???? Are you nuts? Prime tillable acres in the most expensive ag area in the country is a small fraction of that amount. You should have got 60 acres for $60k.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2012-03-27 20:33:30

$60k for an acre is, indeed, nuts.

 
Comment by jinglemale
2012-03-28 05:01:32

This is a fully manufactured lot with streets, curbs, gutters and all utilities stubbed into the property line. It is bordered by a golf course and acres of open space on all sides. The COST of the improvements to create the lot exceed my purchase price! If you buy below reproduction cost, reversion to mean works in your favor…..given time and recorvery.

 
 
Comment by cactus
2012-03-27 12:31:51

Then he learned he had to qualify for a loan from Bank of America, the loan servicer, even if he didn’t plan to get a loan there, and the deal was off. ‘They don’t offer zero down,’ he said.’

good less careless buyers to drive up prices

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-27 08:28:12

“The reason land in Bodie is cheap…”

It’s also due in part to weather considerations. One of my sons used to enjoy quizzing me on the daily news report of the coldest and hottest places in the U.S. There were many times the hottest place was Needles, CA, and many others when the coldest spot in the lower-48 was Bodie.

Comment by jingle male
2012-03-27 12:08:08

Fascinating observation!

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-27 22:28:09

California is a big state — a land of extremes in many respects.

Another example of extremes is elevation, which ranges from 282 feet below sea level at Badwater Basin in the bottom of Death Valley, to Mount Whitney, at 14,497 feet. The lowest and highest points in the lower forty-eight states are less than three hours’ drive apart.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wittbelle
2012-03-27 09:15:19

One would think economic forces would eventually spell financial ruin for these developers and their bad investments. Talk about zombies…

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-03-27 09:29:49

Eventually, it does.

There have been MANY RE boom/busts in this nation’s history.

Comment by Ben Jones
2012-03-27 09:37:17

They segment their projects so some can fail and they keep going. I posted a quote once with one builder saying if you haven’t ever been bankrupt, you haven’t been around very long.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-27 10:20:52

The guy who built the development where my parents’ house is later went bankrupt. It wasn’t because he was a bad person or a bad builder.

Quite the contrary.

My folks have benefited greatly from the fact that their place was so well built. They’ve avoided a lot of problems that the Toll Brothers developments nearby have been plagued with.

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Comment by oxide
2012-03-27 11:49:38

a lot of problems that the Toll Brothers developments have been pagued with

Oooh, linky link? Stories to spill? I want to hear about Tool Bros McMansions being nice for five years and then falling apart.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-27 13:04:19

Oooh, linky link? Stories to spill? I want to hear about Tool Bros McMansions being nice for five years and then falling apart.

No linkies, just lookies as I was going to hither and yon on errands. It wasn’t hard to see that the nearby Toll Brothers development houses were built cheaply and were already starting to deteriorate.

 
Comment by exeter
2012-03-27 15:27:19

But you don’t get cheap until you see an assembly line shack like a BeazerBuilt. The average trailer and modular is built far better than a BeazerBuilt.

 
 
Comment by wittbelle
2012-03-27 10:59:41

Bankruptcy: What separates the undead from the newly born

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Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-03-27 09:26:42

“Totally Upside Down Forever”

I love this title. It sounds like a cool song. :lol:

 
Comment by erik
2012-03-27 09:36:16

Buying 1000 lots in Hesperia!!
That land is essentially valueless as they will find out. Hundreds of already built homes will be abandoned in years to come. All those High Desert boom towns are slated for reversion to desert cross roads with the odd resident here and there. It’s not hard to imagine Hesperia and Adelanto in 30 years looking like Red Mountain. There still will need to be some housing for the guards working the prisons out there…That country is good Gulag territory and good for solar installations, but long term hopeless as commuter hell…

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-27 10:23:41

I have a cousin living out that way.

ISTR hearing that her Hesperia house was purchased as an investment, and guess what? She caught that bad tenants’ disease that seems to be going around. I heard that she and her boyfriend had quite the time when it came to evicting those tenants. The tenants really trashed the place too.

Slim makes note to self: Don’t buy an investment house in the CA high desert. Better yet, just stay away from those investment houses, Slim. You do not have the temperament that’s needed for dealing with tenants.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2012-03-27 12:05:12

From the latest Case-Shiller Index press release:

“San Diego : Prices fell 1.1% to take the year-on-year drop to 5.3%.”

I note that 5.3% of a $500,000 San Diego McMansion’s market value is
5.3%*$500,000 = $26,500 in capital loss, over one year’s time.

Of course, this is a drop in the bucket for wealthy Californians.

Comment by jingle male
2012-03-27 12:16:52

I find it interesting San Diego is still dropping. They were the first area to feel the downturn, so I thought they would be the first area to see a recovery.

It seems though, the last area to feel a downturn is the first one out. San Francisco penninsula is a good case in point.

Comment by scdave
2012-03-27 14:34:59

San Francisco peninsula is a good case in point

Yep…Things have heated up again…To hot really…Combination of improving sentiment, extremely low inventory & ridiculously low interest rates…I recently saw a lot for sale in Portola Valley for $15,000.000….

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-27 23:06:04

I believe extend-and-pretend takes on a very extreme form here in San Diego, as the numbers of homes that have come on the market in recent years don’t add up to the number of households which were foreclosed, the number of underwater investors who walked away from their investments, the number of recently unemployed workers who stopped paying their mortgages, the number of post-retirement residents holding off “until prices come back” from selling their homes and moving on to more suitable housing for retirees, and the number of never-lived-in homes that still overhang the market from end of the building binge in 2006. The most homes I have ever seen on the MLS since 2005 has been 20K or so, or about 2 percent of the homes in a city of 3 million with maybe 1 million (= 1000K) homes. More recently the number of homes on the MLS has been closer to 10K, or roughly 1 percent of all homes in the area.

This extremely low share of homes on the San Diego County MLS does not seem sustainable against the confluence of a foreclosure crisis and a bulging baby boomer demographic which most likely will likely soon be seeking an exit.

 
 
 
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