March 29, 2012

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-03-29 04:18:31

Realtors Are Liars®

Comment by Liz Pendens
2012-03-29 05:49:59

Deadbeats are Okay

 
 
Comment by Hard Rain
2012-03-29 05:14:40

Deadbeat lotto winnings shouldn’t be taxed?

A trio of congressional Democrats have introduced a bill that would provide tax relief to homeowners who were wrongly foreclosed upon and receive money from the recent nationwide mortgage foreclosure settlement.

Under current law, those settlement payments would subject the homeowners and servicemembers who receive them to additional tax burdens. Homeowners receiving relief in the form of mortgage debt forgiveness and direct cash payments for wrongful foreclosure could be subject to federal income tax.

http://www.accountingtoday.com/news/Congress-Tax-Relief-Mortgage-Foreclosure-Settlement-62206-1.html?CMP=OTC-RSS

Comment by 2banana
2012-03-29 08:32:20

The obama lottery - now TAX FREE.

Sucks to be you - renters and home owners who are current in their mortgage.

 
 
Comment by azdude
2012-03-29 05:24:29

I’m bullish on stocks.

Comment by combotechie
2012-03-29 05:26:47

I’m bullish on the ones that go up.

Comment by jeff saturday
2012-03-29 05:32:15

I’m bullish on Deadbeats.

Pool guy, landscaper of $18 million foreclosure winner subpoenaed

by Kim Miller

The pool guy, plumber and lawn man for a Palm Beach Gardens homeowner who recently won an $18 million settlement in a foreclosure-related lawsuit are being sought for questioning by the bank still seeking to repossess her home.

Lynn Szymoniak, a 63-year-old attorney who specializes in white collar crime, shot to national fame last year when she was featured on the CBS news show 60 minutes for her role in uncovering widespread mortgage and foreclosure fraud after finding it in her own 2008 case.

This month, it was announced she would receive $18 million from a whistle-blower lawsuit filed under the federal False Claims Act, which allows the government to bring civil actions against entities that knowingly use or cause the use of false documents to obtain money from the government.

Deutsche Bank, which filed to foreclose on $759,428 in unpaid principal against Szymoniak in 2008, sent notice to her attorney Monday that it plans to depose eight companies that have done work on her home including her plumber, air conditioning repair firm, landscaper and two pool service companies.

Szymoniak said because her loan was taken out to renovate her home, including installing hardwood floors and upgrading bathrooms, the bank may be trying to determine whether she actually used the money for the designated purpose.

But she said the move is unusual in a foreclosure case, and because the requests are so lengthy, including a demand for all communications between the company and herself, she said it’s more likely a form of harassment or an effort to increase court costs.

“It’s just them saying ‘How can we dirty her up as best we can,’” Szymoniak said. “It would almost be funny to see my yard guy come in. The one guy didn’t even start servicing my pool until four months ago.”

A representative from American Home Mortgage Servicing, Inc., which services Szymoniak’s loan, said she was looking into the reason beind the subpoena and would respond to the Palm Beach Post’s request for comment by the end of the day.

Last year, shortly after appearing on 60 Minutes, Deutsche Bank’s case was thrown out of court after it was ruled it couldn’t prove ownership of the mortgage. It re-filed the foreclosure in May, but also included Szymoniak’s son, Mark Cullen, in the case. Cullen, who was not on the mortgage, was a graduate student living in New York at the time.

“Now, every time my son fills out a loan application he has to say he was sued for foreclosure,” Szymoniak said, noting that Deutsche eventually dropped Cullen from the suit.

Szymoniak won’t receive the $18 million settlement for at least two months and plans to pay off the mortgage as well as donate to several charities.

“Until I can pay this mortgage off, Deutsche Bank will just continue to run up fees and try to harass the living hell out of me,” she said.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-29 06:02:29

“… just continue to run up fee$ and try to hara$$ the living hell out of me,”

Come on now, they won’t dare do such a thing. They’re “ProFEE$ional” & Ethical too!

That sort of “Bidne$$” behavior is $imply “inconceivable!” ;-)

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Comment by jeff saturday
2012-03-29 06:08:32

Why is she now going to pay the mortgae off? Does she think she actually owes the money?

“Lynn Szymoniak, a 63-year-old attorney who specializes in white collar crime”

“Deutsche Bank, which filed to foreclose on $759,428 in unpaid principal against Szymoniak in 2008″ (This figure does not include the cash out refis on her condos)

“Until I can pay this mortgage off, Deutsche Bank will just continue to run up fees and try to harass the living hell out of me,” she said.”

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-29 07:04:27

” … in uncovering widespread mortgage and foreclosure fraud”

She should send a donation to Mr. Ben! ;-)

 
 
 
Comment by combotechie
2012-03-29 05:32:26

I see the Market Makers did a fine job of pumping up the price of BofA. Now one should look for distribution.

BofA is/was under a lot of presure to raise capital and one way to to this is to sell stock to the public. But to do this ones needs to:

1. Generate a lot of interest (aka trading volume), which will

2. Boost the price of the stock.

Which seems to be what has been successfully done over the past few weeks.

Comment by combotechie
2012-03-29 05:39:13
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Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 07:41:23

BofA is/was under a lot of presure to raise capital and one way to to this is to sell stock to the public.

I hope they realize that they’re one of the major targets of the Occupy movement and its kindred spirits. That can’t bode well for the stock price.

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Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-03-29 12:53:08

Occupy movement doesn’t mean a thing. They can’t print money. The FED provides Bof A with endless supplies of money, so they can outlast any “protest”.
Besides, no one seems to be leaving the bank. Like i’ve said before, I won’t do business with any of the “big banks”, but MOST people will.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Liz Pendens
2012-03-29 05:54:47

I’m bullish on media-hyped rigged markets.

I’m also bullish on something really bad happening when banks are going “all-in” on a rigged market with unlimited zero-percent cash.

I guess I’m bullish on hyperinflation too…

Comment by azdude
2012-03-29 06:25:15

http://data.cnbc.com/quotes/pcln

nowhere to go but up.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2012-03-29 07:11:08

They could put a positive spin on a negative balance sheet.

Comment by aNYCdj
2012-03-29 07:30:48

and he still has 211,000 shares left over…

Feb 29, 2012 BOYD JEFFERY HOfficer 50,000 Direct Option Exercise at $18.78 per share. 939,000
Feb 29, 2012 BOYD JEFFERY HOfficer 50,000 Direct Automatic Sale at $627.21 - $634.23 per share. 31,536,0002

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Comment by goon squad
2012-03-29 06:58:22

From the WSJ: Facebook Targeting May IPO

“Facebook Inc. is preparing its initial public offering for May, according to people familiar with the matter, in what is shaping up to be the largest ever U.S. internet offering.

Comment by azdude
2012-03-29 07:40:18

what exactly do they sell?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 07:43:46

Their members! And, from what I’ve read, FB makes all of $4.39 on each member.

Watch for all sorts of efforts to increase that amount. Which will make more than a few of the members mad enough to cancel their FB accounts.

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Comment by azdude
2012-03-29 07:52:46

reminds me of pets.com

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-29 08:02:31

reminds me of pets.com

Who knew that the margins in selling large bags of dog food online wouldn’t offset the shipping costs associated with 50lb bags…

Who knew that spending your entire annual ad budget on a SuperBowl commercial would be a bad idea?

Having said that, had it been pet-toys.com, they might have had a viable business model, albeit maybe not one with such a high profile.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2012-03-29 09:55:31

When Google went public there was the same skepticism. What does Google do? It’s just a search Engine after all. had you invested $10,000 in GOOG when it went public, you’d have about $50,000 today.

I don’t know where you got the $4.39/member figure. But suppose it’s accurate. FB has somewhere in the neighborhood of 1 billion members. Do the math on the potential revenue.

The end goal of FB is to be kind of a virtual national ID card. You won’t log in to your bank account. You’ll log into your FB account and access you bank info through there. I can see potential use for govt services like driver’s license renewal. You don’t get a letter sent to remind you about your license renewal, you get a FB post. The possibilities are endless.

 
Comment by sfrenter
2012-03-29 10:16:42

The end goal of FB is to be kind of a virtual national ID card. You won’t log in to your bank account. You’ll log into your FB account and access you bank info through there.

This is already happening. There are many many sites that ask you to register or sign in OR sign in with your FB acct.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2012-03-29 10:33:16

Yep, it is. But for the most part they’re other social media sites, blogs, reader comments on new stories, etc. The next push will be into using FB for more “serious” (for lack of a better word) functionality like bank accounts and things of that nature.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-29 11:29:34

The end goal of FB is to be kind of a virtual national ID card.

You are confused. There is no such goal.

The end goal of FB is to monetize your private information, with your permission. End of story.

The will push the boundary of violating your privacy until there is public outrage, then they will back off just a bit. Then they will start pushing the line again. That is their business model.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-29 11:34:22

The next push will be into using FB for more “serious” (for lack of a better word) functionality like bank accounts

Anyone with a brain would never agree to that.

I trust my gmail two-factor authentication more than any other website out there at the moment—because you can’t break in by merely using a keyboard-logger and stealing my password. You also have to steal my cell-phone, or spoof the cell-phone network into delivering my txts to you—in other words, a dramatically more complex attack.

But FB security?? BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA. That’s a good one.

 
 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-29 07:55:50

what exactly do they sell?

Probably the most targeted advertising ever conceived.

Keeping in mind that Facebook knows almost everything about it’s users, from their age, education, geographic location, interests, to their network of family, friends and associates and how your interests intersect with them… it also often knows what your doing currently or what your planning on doing given how frequent users tend to update statuses and invites.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 08:04:01

I’ll bet that the Soviet-era KGB would have loved Facebook. Likewise, the East German Stasi.

 
Comment by azdude
2012-03-29 08:08:27

so its basically mining for information that is sold to corporations?

 
Comment by goon squad
2012-03-29 08:18:09

Not much difference from “don’t be evil” Google, who data mines the content of gmail and is probably monitoring the squadmobile via google maps on android phone.

 
Comment by The_Overdog
2012-03-29 08:47:47

If Facebook’s version of targeted ads based on my true preferences is so great, then why are the targeted ads so bad:

I see American Express (already have one for work), Visa CapitalOne (2 credit cards? Send me the fake plastic ones with all the stickers in the mail - I like those better), a spam job opening for some field I do not work in (I have my job specified in Facebook), alienware computers (my last personal computer cost $300 from Best Buy - alienware’s are like $3000 for supergamers), and summer camp (my daughter is 1 year old).

Facebook is selling nothing more than a huge scam job on Wallstreet, and I can get behind that because I think it’s funny.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-03-29 09:03:55

I still can’t figure where the ads are on FB

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-29 09:28:31

Maybe they are keying in on views from people in your income/age bracket/llocation or on families with young children, etc.

You use Facebook from a computer vs an iPhone/iPad (assumption on my part), so you get Alienware ads. You have a young child in your family so you get summer camp ads. People with interests/activites like yours in your zipcode have median income of X and thus you get credit card ads…

Online ads is all about impressions and the fact that you can target more easily so as to improve the conversion of those impressions towards some action is what this is all about. It isn’t Minority Report yet, but it’s getting there.

 
Comment by Jim A
2012-03-29 10:16:05

The Overdog–That probably means that they don’t have many advertisers for products that you’re interested in.

 
Comment by The_Overdog
2012-03-29 12:25:29

You use Facebook from a computer vs an iPhone/iPad (assumption on my part), so you get Alienware ads. You have a young child in your family so you get summer camp ads. People with interests/activites like yours in your zipcode have median income of X and thus you get credit card ads…
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I can do this with the consumer info I have on customers at my work. We don’t need Facebook for that type of activity at that level. And people pay us to give us their info! They can do that with the tv programs I watch. (imo better). My point is that info is so high level that’s it’s not really targeted any more than ads ever have been.

Google’s model I get - you search for something, then the ad for the thing you searched for comes up. I search for a plant, the ad keeps coming up, so if I didn’t buy, Google continues to needle me to either buy or buy more.

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The Overdog–That probably means that they don’t have many advertisers for products that you’re interested in.
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That may be true, but considering that I’m a fairly generic consumer in terms of my preferences, that’s kinda sad.

 
Comment by Steve J
2012-03-29 12:54:00

FB had better hurry up. Pinterest is the new hotness of social media sites.

 
Comment by Montana
2012-03-29 12:57:08

Funny, I don’t get ads anymore either. I used to blow them all away and say I wasn’t interested, so maybe that’s why.

Doesn’t stop other sites from running ads for whatever stuff I’ve been looking at lately.

 
Comment by Liz Pendens
2012-03-29 12:58:41

“The possibilities are endless.”

-just a shame none of them involve making a profit…

 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2012-03-29 18:26:27

I don’t actually know anyone who spends any amount of time on Facebook. I know a few who have accounts, but they hardly ever even go there. I have never been inclined to.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 18:47:31

‘Twas about a month ago that I was in an office where someone called the boss to pitch his traffic-building services. I only heard the boss’ side of the conversation, but he sounded a wee bit skeptical about the pitcher’s ability to use Twitter as a traffic-builder for the organization’s website.

His coup de grace was this: “In three years Twitter will be MySpace. And 96% of Twitter users abandon their accounts after three times.”

He should have used the word “tweets” when he said “times,” but you get the idea. And that is that all this social media isn’t all it’s cracked up to be when it comes to increasing one’s business.

I’m of the mind that social media’s great for passing the time, but that’s all. If you’re looking for something more substantial, look elsewhere.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-29 05:47:23

I’m trying to fathom this writer’s point: What could possibly limit the Fed’s ability to continue purchasing 61% (or even 100%) of U.S. Treasury debt, indefinitely?

OPINION
Updated March 27, 2012, 6:49 p.m. ET

Demand for U.S. Debt Is Not Limitless

In 2011, the Fed purchased a stunning 61% of Treasury issuance. That can’t last.
By LAWRENCE GOODMAN

The conventional wisdom that nearly infinite demand exists for U.S. Treasury debt is flawed and especially dangerous at a time of record U.S. sovereign debt issuance.

The recently released Federal Reserve Flow of Funds report for all of 2011 reveals that Federal Reserve purchases of Treasury debt mask reduced demand for U.S. sovereign obligations. Last year the Fed purchased a stunning 61% of the total net Treasury issuance, up from negligible amounts prior to the 2008 financial crisis. This not only creates the false appearance of limitless demand for U.S. debt but also blunts any sense of urgency to reduce supersized budget deficits.

Still, the outdated notion of never-ending buyers for U.S. debt is perpetuated by many. For instance, in recent testimony before the Senate Budget Committee, former Federal Reserve Board Vice Chairman Alan Blinder said, “If you look at the markets, they’re practically falling over themselves to lend money to the federal government.” Sadly, that’s no longer accurate.

Mr. Goodman is president of the Center for Financial Stability and previously served at the U.S. Treasury.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-29 06:38:37

Sounds like an inflationary pressure to me.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-29 06:55:37

But over what time horizon? For instance, the last time interest rates were similarly low to their current levels, the early 1960s, it took two decades for inflation to boil up to a level where the Fed finally felt compelled to staunch it (Volcker’s interest rate hikes, 1979-82).

Comment by azdude
2012-03-29 07:02:59
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Comment by scdave
2012-03-29 07:28:20

retail shuns rally ??

Retired people are scared $&itt!**$ of being at risk in the market…The lesson of 2008 is still vivid….For the most part, I don’t think you will ever get them back…Ditto for most that are approaching retirement…

 
Comment by azdude
2012-03-29 07:39:09

really dude

You have lost a generation of investors.Granny is content stuffing money in the mattress.

reservation of principal is key. No to to be buying groupon stock.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 07:46:34

You have lost a generation of investors. Granny is content stuffing money in the mattress.

Not just Granny!

This investor (if I could really be called that — I’m more of a saver than anything else) is content to keep most of the long-term money in cash and Treasuries.

I’m of the mind that the stock market is massively rigged in favor of the insiders. And thee and me are not going to get to the inside via a mutual fund or direct share purchases.

 
Comment by azdude
2012-03-29 07:54:11

yes bro

the insiders have all the inside information as to when the FED party starts and ends.

 
Comment by scdave
2012-03-29 07:58:38

You have lost a generation of investors.Granny is content stuffing money in the mattress ??

You betcha…You know how hard it is to earn & save after tax dollars ?? Granny can’t earn it again….

 
Comment by polly
2012-03-29 08:52:29

Post said mentioned Best Buy is planning to close a bunch of stores. I guess all those employees can just go work at Circuit City…oh, oops.

 
Comment by Al
2012-03-29 09:00:28

“retail shuns rally”

These studies always use equity mutual funds as the gauge, although I wonder how much of that departing money is going into ETFs?

 
Comment by oxide
2012-03-29 11:29:53

As least the R dream of funneling SS into Wall Street is dead forever.

 
 
 
 
Comment by rms
2012-03-29 06:50:58

In 2011, the Fed purchased a stunning 61% of Treasury issuance.

Recall…this is just a recession.

Comment by azdude
2012-03-29 07:09:38

what is the dumb money buying?

http://www.mountaininvestor.com/blog/?p=1564

 
 
Comment by cactus
2012-03-29 12:43:19

Expanding the money supply to even out all the Bank loses on bad RE collaterall.

They fear deflation so much they create inflation thinking they can control it down the road.

After failing to forsee a housing bust the FED is now confident they can control inflation, just like before they were confident they could control a housing bubble.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-29 23:33:12

“After failing to forsee a housing bust the FED is now confident they can control inflation, just like before they were confident they could control a housing bubble.”

Hubris will get them to nowhere fast without even realizing it.

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-03-29 05:52:22

ahansen seems to always have good advice.

Comment by ahansen
2012-03-27 11:09:14

“I wasn’t there that night, nor were the rest of us. Shall we wait for due process on this one?”

Spike Lee apologizes for retweeting wrong address

10 hours ago

SANFORD, Fla. — Spike Lee has apologized to a Florida couple who say they were forced to leave their home when a Twitter posting that the director helped spread listed their address as that of a man who shot an unarmed teenager.

Elaine and David McClain are in their 70s and say they have a son named William George Zimmerman who lived in their Sanford-area home in the mid-1990s. They say he is no relation to 28-year-old George Zimmerman who killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin on Feb. 26.

The killing has touched off widespread public outrage and protests across the country, including from Lee and other celebrities, because Zimmerman was not arrested. He says he acted in self-defense.

Lee tweeted late Wednesday: “I Deeply Apologize To The McClain Family For Retweeting Their Address. It Was A Mistake. Please Leave The McClain’s In Peace.”

Comment by aNYCdj
2012-03-29 06:07:35

George Zimmerman’s Father Blasts Obama: “So Much Hate Coming From The President”

Yes this sure brought out all the black racists that have been hiding in the closet for years…we knew about them but now the American public knows too.

 
Comment by palmetto
2012-03-29 06:11:07

Yes, I meant to thank ahansen for her sane words on this matter.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-29 06:16:20

Fox’$ Geraldo Rivera: I’m sorry for hoodie comment:
Associated Press / By DAVID BAUDER |

“I apologize for the language,” he said. “I don’t apologize at all for the substance of my advice. I was trying to save lives.”

Rivera said his oldest son was witness to tension between his father and brother, 24-year-old Cruz Rivera, over the young man’s clothing. Rivera said he wanted urban parents to realize that clothing their children wear — such as hooded T-shirts or low-slung pants — could appear menacing to people who don’t know them and could put them unnecessarily in danger.

Rivera said a conversation with his oldest son on Monday convinced him he was wrong. Rivera said it was the first time 32-year-old Gabriel Rivera had said he was ashamed of something his dad had said — and it caused the dad a sleepless night.

“He had never, ever used language like that,” Rivera said. “It was like, ‘Whoa, what have I done that would make my son say that?’”

People lost sight of the message because of the provocative words blaming the hoodie as much as Zimmerman, Rivera said. The death of an unarmed teenager should be the issue, he said.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-03-29 06:41:22

“…and you kids get off my lawn!”

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2012-03-29 06:44:37

‘So Much Hate Coming From The President’

Such a strange country. If this young man had been killed by a drone, the govt (or Geraldo) wouldn’t even talk about it. Or if a soldier ’snapped’ and killed an entire family, it would be turned around as a sob story for the soldier. Or if a B-2 bomber wiped out an entire wedding party, it probably wouldn’t even make the front page of the Washington Post.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-29 07:11:46

Even as we blog in real-time, the Mega-Defen$e-Indu$trial-Complex is bu$y re$tocking u$ed material$. Hey, Cheney has a new heart, $hazam!, the future$ look$ bright!

“Audit-The-Pentagon”: Coming $oon!

“Audit-The-FederalRe$erveInc.Corpooration” … “pending”

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Comment by Steve J
2012-03-29 12:56:26

Where’s those death panels when you really need’em.

 
 
Comment by butters
2012-03-29 07:42:36

Oh man, you are so right! I was thinking the same thing the other day.

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Comment by Robin
2012-03-30 00:53:36

How close are military drones removed to be replaced by the equivalent of private security, or not?

Cheaper? Maybe or maybe not. Probably cheaper by a large magnitude.

Massive employment increase, especially in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Oh, wait.

People count.

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Comment by polly
2012-03-29 07:24:00

The eigth grade class trips have started to hit DC this week. They dress the kids alike so the adults have some hope of keeping track of their charges. There was such a group on the Metro this morning. Want to take a guess at what they were wearing?

Yup. Hoodies.

Comment by jeff saturday
2012-03-29 07:33:51
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Comment by butters
2012-03-29 07:44:21

Now we know who to blame. It was him who started the trend. Doesn’t hurt, he’s a rich white man.

 
Comment by Bronco
2012-03-30 02:07:37

wasn’t him started the trend; twas the Unibomber

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 07:51:48

This past weekend, I participated in a neighborhood cleanup. I was one of the crew leaders for an easement cleanup. Crew came from the campus of the University of Arizona, and those students did a great job. Kudos to them!

One of the other crew leaders was a guy wearing a brown hoodie. He’s required to dress that way for his job. Which is being a Franciscan Brother.

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Comment by jeff saturday
2012-03-29 08:05:55

“Which is being a Franciscan Brother.”

Where is that gang located? :)

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 08:17:56

Where is that gang located?

Just a few blocks away from the Arizona Slim Ranch. And, gasp, this particular bro is in the ministry of helping the homeless.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-29 10:39:29

Where is that gang located?

Rumor has it that it started in Assisi, Italy

 
Comment by oxide
2012-03-29 11:32:53

Mafia, no doubt.

Just checked the Metro website. At least they had the brains to suspend the weekend station closings during Cherry Blossom season.

 
Comment by polly
2012-03-29 17:20:11

Not that there are any actual cherry blossoms left….

 
 
Comment by exeter
2012-03-29 15:22:17

“The eigth grade class trips have started to hit DC this week.”

My baby girl left for DC this morning.

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Comment by polly
2012-03-29 17:35:39

I hope she has a great time.

 
 
 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-03-29 06:57:51

Here’s a video of the poor man, beaten so brutally by the guy he was tailing that he feared for his life, and had to shoot the guy. Note the extensive, life-threatening injuries.

Trayvon Martin Video Shows No Blood or Bruises on George Zimmerman
By MATT GUTMAN | Good Morning America – 18 hrs ago

A police surveillance video taken the night that Trayvon Martin was shot dead shows no blood or bruises on George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch captain who says he shot Martin after he was punched in the nose, knocked down and had his head slammed into the ground.

http://news.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-video-shows-no-blood-bruises-george-194108003–abc-news-topstories.html

Comment by aNYCdj
2012-03-29 07:35:32

Alpha……I realized my mistake in calling this a racial incident its not…its just an incident between an idiot and a moron at 3am and neither of them should have been there.

Both should have been in their own beds but due to trayvon being a thug and getting suspended….fate intervened. that’s all

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 07:54:38

Both should have been in their own beds but due to trayvon being a thug and getting suspended….fate intervened. that’s all

How do you know that this kid was a thug? Did you ever meet him? Meet his family? Meet people who knew him?

Furthermore, there are plenty of kids his age who have been suspended for doing things that were, well, stupid. Does that mean that they deserve the death penalty for walking on the streets of *our* country? I think not.

All of us have done things in our lives that we are not proud of. I know I have! And I’ll bet that more than a few of us have (gasp!) been suspended from school. It’s part of growing up.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-03-29 08:05:39

its just an incident between an idiot and a moron at 3am

Reverse their colors and you’d be calling for the death penalty.

And was it 3AM? Or is that your latest spin?

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-29 08:37:21

but due to trayvon being a thug and getting suspended….fate intervened

What does his being suspended have to do with walking to the convenience store to buy some skittles? He was minding his own business, doing nothing wrong, while Zimmerman was being an overzealous vigilanted, one who ignored the dispatcher’s instructions to leave the kid alone.

If anyone didn’t belong there, it was Zimmerman. And apparently Zimmerman has had run ins with the police. So who’s the thug? The kid walking home with his skittles or the armed vigilante with a record?

As for the kid being a “thug”, AFAIK other than the school suspension he was never in any other trouble. My son has plenty of acquaintances at school who have been suspended over marihuana issues. While they aren’t all angels none of them are “thugs”. They’re just dumb kids who got caught with some weed in their possession.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2012-03-29 09:10:23

Easy Colorado…he should have been buying it n his own community in Miami. Maybe he would have gotten mugged by his own people…

Like i said fate interviened
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What does his being suspended have to do with walking to the convenience store to buy some skittles?

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-29 10:51:26

Easy Colorado…he should have been buying it n his own community in Miami

Whoa! So because he was a guest at someone’s house in a racially mixed neighborhood, he was doomed to die? Are you saying that he had no business being there?

 
 
Comment by Montana
2012-03-29 08:39:28

I saw the initial report and I thought it happened around 7 pm.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-29 12:07:01

The police report shows that they considered it to have started at 1917 hrs, and completed at 0300hrs. The latter is probably when they finished writing their reports.

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-03-29 12:01:55

Uhhhhh……this occured around 7:30pm

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Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-29 08:35:56

He was treated on-site by medical personal… no surprise that he doesn’t show bruising from a broken nose as generally it takes a day or so and the blood was probably cleaned up. Why doesn’t the media interview the medical personal who treated Zimmerman on-sight that night and verify the injuries that way?

Nice to see the liberal media jumping on the lynch-mob justice bandwagon and trying to sway public opinion against a guy who shot in self-defense a man who physically attacked him.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-03-29 08:47:01

who shot in self-defense a man who physically attacked him.

Wow, you know facts that the rest of us don’t. Facts that the physical evidence doesn’t seem to back up.

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Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-29 10:12:51

Wow, you know facts that the rest of us don’t. Facts that the physical evidence doesn’t seem to back up

Read the police report. Or did the police lie to cover up the fact that Zimmerman was attacked. Who’s voice in on the 911 call yelling for help? How did Zimmerman break his nose? Where did the blood come from? What about witness reports?

Sorry, but I have no sympathy for the deceased. He was a troublemaker who screwed with someone who was legally armed and willing to defend himself.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-03-29 10:38:24

I’m still waiting for verified facts. It could be exactly as you said, or the police department may be trying to cover for him (and themselves). Hopefully we’ll know the truth eventually.

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-29 10:40:42

Witness says Martin attacked Zimmerman

But don’t let eyewitness statements get in the way of a good libtard storyline about an innocent child being gunned down in cold blood. Treyvon was a punk…

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-29 10:53:08

Treyvon was a punk…

Did he have a record other than the school suspension?

It’s now surfacing that Zimmerman has had run ins with the cops. Who’s the punk?

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-03-29 10:56:23

If the witness turns out to be credible then that will explain (at least to me) why the cops didn’t see a reason to arrest Zimmerman. But one witness isn’t a sure thing for me. It’ll take some time before we know. I just hope when it’s all done there will be enough credible evidence that reasonable people can all agree. Otherwise there WILL be riots if Zimmerman isn’t charged and convicted. Everybody seems to be itching for another Rodney King riot and I hope that changes as the evidence comes out.

 
Comment by MrBubble
2012-03-29 11:07:35

“good libtard storyline”

I suppose that I finally have to admit that I’m a “libtard” since I’d rather get beaten up than murder someone.

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-29 11:09:32

Did he have a record other than the school suspension?

See my post lower in the thread. The link paints a very different picture of Treyvon: as a part time drug dealer, prone to violence and the “gangsta” mindset.

There is also a report of Treyvon having been caught with women’s gold jewelry and a screw driver in his backpack. The police couldn’t connect the jewelry to a theft, but that just means it wasn’t reported stolen. The kid had no good explanation as to why he had it… either he was a thief or he was an accomplice and holding the items for a thief.

 
Comment by rms
2012-03-29 11:16:24

Treyvon was a punk…

Come on…he was a former slave getting ready for college.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-29 11:38:13

I suppose that I finally have to admit that I’m a “libtard” since I’d rather get beaten up than murder someone.

Would that be true even if someone were slamming your head into the pavement repeatedly? It’s pretty easy to die from that…

I generally embrace pacifism, but if there seems to be a non-trivial chance of dying, I think I’d pull the trigger. At that point, it’s not “murder” as you refer to it, but justifiable homicide.

That said, the head-on-pavement angle is only one of many unverified rumors at this point. let’s wait until all the facts are in before we leap to judgement.

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-29 11:38:55

I suppose that I finally have to admit that I’m a “libtard” since I’d rather get beaten up than murder someone.

Wow, I don’t even know where to begin…

All I can say in response is there are three kinds of people in this world: Sheep, Wolves, and Sheep dogs. You decide we’re in the food chain you belong…

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 11:39:25

I suppose that I finally have to admit that I’m a “libtard” since I’d rather get beaten up than murder someone.

Count me in the libtard camp as well. And, since I’m a graphic designer, how about if I design us a stylish tee shirt?

 
Comment by MrBubble
2012-03-29 12:00:20

“All I can say in response is there are three kinds of people in this world”

So much for “progress”! While others “roll ‘em up” going through a “bad” neighborhood, I hold on to my wallet when going by golf courses and the financial districts of the US. That’s where the real crooks are.

“generally embrace pacifism”

I myself dabbled in pacifism. Not in ‘Nam, of course.

Lots of internet tough guy/Bernie Goetz’s coming out of the wood-work…

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-29 12:08:23

I hold on to my wallet when going by golf courses and the financial districts of the US. That’s where the real crooks are.

LOL… Nice. :-)

White-collar criminals steal FAR more than blue-collar ones.

But they rarely give you a black eye or broken jaw in the process.

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-29 12:11:46

I myself dabbled in pacifism. Not in ‘Nam, of course.

Lots of internet tough guy/Bernie Goetz’s coming out of the wood-work…

Ask yourself, how many 11B’s have you ever known were phony tough and the crazy brave?

With all do respect to a fellow Vet (yeah, I served and deployed to Bosnia), those are fighting words :)

 
Comment by MrBubble
2012-03-29 12:32:28

It’s just the whole “libtard” meme is just a shortcut to thinking and an attempt to vilify and nullify opposing views without having to actually listen to them. That might have been the way it was amongst the enlisted folks, but the officers with whom I worked, although by and large very conservative, were able to listen to reason. :)

“Libtard” was also a term used by a former boss of mine who used to act tough but was all hat and no cattle. He almost cried when he got fired.

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-29 13:08:49

It’s just the whole “libtard” meme is just a shortcut to thinking and an attempt to vilify and nullify opposing views without having to actually listen to them.

And that is the problem with the polarization of moderates to either end of the political spectrum. With no middle-ground to speak of, politics becomes a game of demonize and discredit the other side… and yes, I’ve fallen into the trap as well. The state of politics in America circa 2012.

 
Comment by MrBubble
2012-03-29 14:06:30

Yep. Definitely seems as though there are two ideological “countries” and there isn’t a lot of productive communication between the two. Is it more divisive than in the 1770s or 1860? Seems that way but only because we are of our time? Who knows.

I actually don’t mind discussing points of morality like these, whether absolutist/relativistic, but I do agree with some other posters here who have suggested that we wait until all of the facts are in before we invest ourselves in “what would you do” type scenarios.

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-29 14:31:19

I do agree with some other posters here who have suggested that we wait until all of the facts are in before we invest ourselves in “what would you do” type scenarios.

Understood. See my post below regarding an attack I experienced many years ago. Our views are colored by our experiences in life as much as our education, intellect and personal associations.

Having lived through the unpleasant experience of an unwarranted severe physical attack (and spending time in the emergency room and a number of days bedridden), I can say exactly what would happen today were a similar scenario to occur again. It’s gets more complicated when you see things like this and have children of your own that you want to protect from harm. Unfortunately, this is a common mindset among the lower class. Is it any wonder why gun sales are at multi-year highs, when we have adults supporting and cheering this type of behavior among their children? This is the reality of the society we live in…

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 14:56:47

Is it any wonder why gun sales are at multi-year highs, when we have adults supporting and cheering this type of behavior among their children?

Guns are selling well because of the gun industry/NRA’s fear-mongering campaign. It’s what they do best.

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-29 16:06:11

Guns are selling well because of the gun industry/NRA’s fear-mongering campaign. It’s what they do best.

Actually what the NRA does best is protect our 2nd Amendment Constitutional rights.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

 
Comment by rms
2012-03-29 17:48:53

It’s now surfacing that Zimmerman has had run ins with the cops.

Zimmerman was looking for trouble, and he actively sought a role that was sure to satisfy his goal. This story is about two junk-yard dogs settling a score.

***

I’ve was attacked by a guy who was a first payment default on a ‘87 Ford Escort that I was looking to repossess. It was not about the car; I was in “his” broken glass, bars in the windows, smells like urine ‘hood, and he “had” to do something about it — an ego thing. A neighbor who saw me thought I was stealing cars and called the cops. By the time this guy jumped on me, got tossed off, got tazed for a solid minute, the calvary arrived. Physically uncooperative, he got hit with a long night stick so hard all I saw was white in his eyes. The cops hand-cuffed him, really tight, before dragging him to the car where he bled all over the back seat.

All over nothing too, a true loser. I’m confident he’s in a prison cell somewhere.

 
 
 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-29 12:02:15

Zimmerman claims Trayvon decked him, then repeatedly slammed his head into the ground

If some punk sucker-punched me in the head, knocked me down, then jumped on me and started slamming my head in the ground, I’d put two in his chest and one in his head without a second thought.

I was attacked from behind once, knocked to the ground and unconscious for a few seconds. When I came to, I was being kicked repeatedly by my attacker. Want to know why I was sucker-punched? Because I was physically bigger than the guy who attacked me. My attacker also knew I had martial arts training and he wouldn’t stand a chance in a “stand-up” fight that I was prepared for… so he did what punks do and surprised me from behind with a hit to the head to knock me out. I wasn’t armed that day, and it’s the only reason the punk who attacked me is still alive…

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-03-29 13:31:44

I’d put two in his chest and one in his head without a second thought.

How do you know he wouldn’t have a second thought?

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-03-29 20:36:40

I was attacked from behind once, knocked to the ground and unconscious for a few seconds. When I came to, I was being kicked repeatedly by my attacker.

And very shortly thereafter- did you have no visible wounds whatsoever- like Zimmerman?

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Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-29 23:20:42

I had no visible facial wounds, but a concussion and a nasty bump on the back of the head where I was hit. Most of the bruising was on the torso and arms where I was kicked repeatedly. The bruising didn’t really show up until the next day… By then adrenaline was long gone and it seemed every part of my body hurt.

The best source for his medical condition will be any paperwork filled out by the responding EMT.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 07:48:34

ahansen seems to always have good advice.

And ahansen is just as delightful “out in the world” as she is on this board. I can personally attest to that.

Comment by Elanor
2012-03-29 11:13:51

Too bad some people don’t, you know, listen to her good advice.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 11:41:01

Take it from me, she’s a very thoughtful person. Not the sort to spout off about this, that, and the other thing. She thinks things through first.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-29 11:52:50

+1.

 
 
 
Comment by MrBubble
2012-03-29 11:55:31

I hope that ahansen’s right about our chickens starting to lay come Easter!

 
 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-03-29 21:08:01

“The killing has touched off widespread public outrage and protests across the country, including from Lee and other celebrities, because Zimmerman was not arrested.”

Recently released video of Zimmerman in handcuffs at the police station is testament to him having been arrested. AFAIK, he hasn’t been charged with a crime, but that may be because the DA is trying to figure out what to charge him with. Without being privy to the evidence that the police have collected, I am not certain that he should be incarcerated at this point, but that would probably satisfy most of the protesters. In Zimmerman’s favor is the fact that he called police to report the shooting and remained at the scene. So he is not a flight risk.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-29 21:30:14

In Zimmerman’s favor is the fact that he called police to report the shooting and remained at the scene. So he is not a flight risk.

I believe he actually asked a witness to call the police… Essentially the same thing, though.

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-29 05:52:25

“Now listen here pilgrim, … er, mate, what goe$ around, come$ around in these here parts!” [$poken in a gruff John Wayne voice with an Australian tinge] ;-)

Murdoch fights back against “lies and libels”
ReutersBy Georgina Prodhan

News Corp, whose global media interests stretch from movies to newspapers that can make or break political careers, has endured an onslaught of negative press since a phone-hacking scandal at its News of the World tabloid blew up last year.

At its height last July, Murdoch told British parliamentarians: “This is the humblest day of my life,” after meeting the family of a murdered schoolgirl whose phone News of the World journalists had hacked.

On Thursday, it appeared that Murdoch had had enough of apologizing. “Enemies many different agendas, but worst old toffs and right wingers who still want last century’s status quo with their monopolies,” he tweeted.

For an avowed republican such as Murdoch, describing someone as a rich and upper class “toff” is a damning insult.

The BBC has a long history of ideological clashes with BSkyB, which is 39 percent owned by News Corp, and both Rupert and his son James Murdoch have publicly attacked the British public service broadcaster over the years.

The Australian Financial Review is owned by Fairfax Media, the main rival to Murdoch’s News Ltd newspaper group in Australia.

“INACCURATE CLAIMS” [ :-) heheheheheee]

“The BBC’s Panorama program was a gross misrepresentation of NDS’s role as a high quality and leading provider of technology and services to the pay-TV industry, as are many of the other press accounts that have piled on - if not exaggerated - the BBC’s inaccurate claims,” he wrote.

NDS has complained that it was not asked for its side of the story before Monday’s Panorama, which claimed NDS had leaked secret codes that allowed rampant pirating of BSkyB rival ITV Digital, which went bust in 2002.

Separate reports by the British Broadcasting Corporation and the Australian Financial Review newspaper this week said that News Corp’s pay-TV smartcard security unit, NDS, had promoted piracy attacks on rivals, including in the United States.

NDS and News Corp had already denied the allegations, but on Thursday the media conglomerate mounted a concerted fight back as a corruption scandal that has plagued its British newspapers began to encroach on its far more lucrative pay-TV business.

Comment by oxide
2012-03-29 07:43:33

“Enemies many different agendas, but worst old toffs and right wingers who still want last century’s status quo with their monopolies,” he tweeted.

For an avowed republican such as Murdoch, describing someone as a rich and upper class “toff” is a damning insult.

A rich old right-wing toff who made his living in the last century pursuing monopolies and spreading lies and libels is now tweeting damning insults about rich old right-wing toffs from the last century who still want monopolies and to spread lies and libel about him?

Comment by Elanor
2012-03-29 11:15:14

:D

 
 
 
Comment by Hard Rain
2012-03-29 05:54:03

Gee, it almost appears that Wall Street thought bail outs were in the bag…

Trial begins in city of St. Petersburg’s lawsuit against Wachovia

He said internal Wachovia memos will show the bank was operating more out of self-interest leading up to the Lehman Bros. collapse in September 2008. Marcus said Wachovia held too much in Lehman Bros. bonds and wasn’t in a position to sell in 2007 or tell clients to do likewise.

Marcus said Wachovia held on to the sinking investment not because if felt that Lehman Bros. would rebound, but that if it did fail, it would be bailed out by the federal government.

“That’s a bet (Wachovia) made with their own money,” Marcus said. “Problem was, that’s a bet St. Petersburg was never asked about.”

He then displayed an email from a Wachovia official written after Lehman’s bankruptcy: “Everyone is still surprised Lehman was not bailed out.”

Wells Fargo attorneys will try to show that city officials were culpable. It’s just that they didn’t pay attention.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/civil/trial-begins-in-city-of-st-petersburgs-lawsuit-against-wachovia/1222050

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-29 06:12:34

Gee, it almost appears that Wall Street thought bail outs were in the bag…

Economists have a name for this: Rational expectations

(See more comments on this topic when my post of John Taylor’s March 28 WSJ Op-ed show up…)

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-29 06:21:24

” …It’s just that they didn’t pay attention.”

Eye know some $mart folks who pay attention$, yet somehow still get deceived. How does that happen? ;-)

de·ceiva·ble adj.
de·ceiver n.
de·ceiving·ly adv.
Synonyms: deceive, betray, mislead, beguile, delude, dupe, hoodwink, bamboozle, double-cross
These verbs mean to lead another into error, danger, or a disadvantageous position by underhand means. Deceive involves the deliberate misrepresentation of the truth: “We are inclined to believe those whom we do not know, because they have never deceived us” (Samuel Johnson).

de·ceive (d-sv)
v. de·ceived, de·ceiv·ing, de·ceives
v.tr.
1. To cause to believe what is not true; mislead.
2. Archaic To catch by guile; ensnare.
v.intr.
1. To practice deceit.
2. To give a false impression: appearances can deceive.

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-03-29 07:03:16

“Rational expectation”? In the bag?

Google “Paulson CDOs”

It was indeed, all engineered and Paulson was the principle architect.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-29 06:10:13

Here is a very important Op-ed which I doubt will be included as required reading for the Georgetown University lectures on the recent actions of the Fed.

The writer appears to ignore the endogenous influence of the policy backdrop on whether the Fed is playing “rules” or “discretion.” The Fed seems more inclined to incur the risk of creating future problems for itself (”weasel costs”) by moving into a discretion-based operating mode when there is a crisis to begin with, rather than when the waters of global finance are calm.

Whether responding to today’s crisis with a discretionary suspension of the “rules” (e.g. to enable bailouts of systemically risky financial institutions) resets rational expectations in a manner to increase the likelihood and incidence of future systemic financial crises is a subject for serious debate.

OPINION
Updated March 28, 2012, 7:34 p.m. ET

The Dangers of an Interventionist Fed

A century of experience shows that rules lead to prosperity and discretion leads to trouble.
By JOHN B. TAYLOR

America has now had nearly a century of decision-making experience under the Federal Reserve Act, first passed in 1913. Thanks to careful empirical research by Milton Friedman, Anna Schwartz and Allan Meltzer, we have plenty of evidence that rules-based monetary policies work and unpredictable discretionary policies don’t. Now is the time to act on that evidence.

The Fed’s mistake of slowing money growth at the onset of the Great Depression is well-known. And from the mid-1960s through the ’70s, the Fed intervened with discretionary go-stop changes in money growth that led to frequent recessions, high unemployment, low economic growth, and high inflation.

In contrast, through much of the 1980s and ’90s and into the past decade the Fed ran a more predictable, rules-based policy with a clear price-stability goal. This eventually led to lower unemployment, lower interest rates, longer expansions, and stronger economic growth.

Unfortunately the Fed has returned to its discretionary, unpredictable ways, and the results are not good. Starting in 2003-05, it held interest rates too low for too long and thereby encouraged excessive risk-taking and the housing boom. It then overshot the needed increase in interest rates, which worsened the bust. Now, with inflation and the economy picking up, the Fed is again veering into “too low for too long” territory. Policy indicators suggest the need for higher interest rates, while the Fed signals a zero rate through 2014.

It is difficult to overstate the extraordinary nature of the recent interventions, even if you ignore actions during the 2008 panic, including the Bear Stearns and AIG bailouts, and consider only the subsequent two rounds of “quantitative easing” (QE1 and QE2)—the large-scale purchases of mortgage-backed securities and longer-term Treasurys.

The Fed’s discretion is now virtually unlimited. To pay for mortgages and other large-scale securities purchases, all it has to do is credit banks with electronic deposits—called reserve balances or bank money. The result is the explosion of bank money (as shown in the nearby chart), which now dwarfs the Fed’s emergency response to the 9/11 attacks.

Before the 2008 panic, reserve balances were about $10 billion. By the end of 2011 they were about $1,600 billion. If the Fed had stopped with the emergency responses of the 2008 panic, instead of embarking on QE1 and QE2, reserve balances would now be normal.

This large expansion of bank money creates risks. If it is not undone, then the bank money will eventually pour out into the economy, causing inflation. If it is undone too quickly, banks may find it hard to adjust and pull back on loans.

The very existence of quantitative easing as a policy tool creates unpredictability, as traders speculate whether and when the Fed will intervene again. That the Fed can, if it chooses, intervene without limit in any credit market—not only mortgage-backed securities but also securities backed by automobile loans or student loans—creates more uncertainty and raises questions about why an independent agency of government should have such power.

The combination of the prolonged zero interest rate and the bloated supply of bank money is potentially lethal. The Fed has effectively replaced the entire interbank money market and large segments of other markets with itself—i.e., the Fed determines the interest rate by declaring what it will pay on bank deposits at the Fed without regard for the supply and demand for money. By replacing large decentralized markets with centralized control by a few government officials, the Fed is distorting incentives and interfering with price discovery with unintended consequences throughout the economy.

For all these reasons, the Federal Reserve should move to a less interventionist and more rules-based policy of the kind that has worked in the past. With due deliberation, it should make plans to raise the interest rate and develop a credible strategy to reduce its outsized portfolio of Treasurys and mortgage-backed securities.

One reason the Fed kept its interest rate too low for too long in 2003-05 was concern that raising the interest rate would increase unemployment in the short run. However, an unintended effect was the great recession and very high unemployment. A single mandate would help the Fed avoid such mistakes. Since 2008, the Fed has explicitly cited the dual mandate to justify its extraordinary interventions, including quantitative easing. Removing the dual mandate will remove that excuse.

A single goal of long-run price stability should be supplemented with a requirement that the Fed establish and report its strategy for setting the interest rate or the money supply to achieve that goal. If the Fed deviates from its strategy, it should provide a written explanation and testify in Congress. To further limit discretion, restraints on the composition of the Federal Reserve’s portfolio are also appropriate, as called for in the Sound Dollar Act.

Giving all Federal Reserve district bank presidents—not only the New York Fed president—voting rights at every Federal Open Market Committee meeting, as does the Sound Dollar Act, would ensure that the entire Federal Reserve system is involved in designing and implementing the strategy. It would offset any tendency for decisions to favor certain sectors or groups in the economy.

Such reforms would lead to a more predictable policy centered on maintaining the purchasing power of the dollar. They would provide an appropriate degree of oversight by the political authorities without interfering in the Fed’s day-to-day operations.

Mr. Taylor is a professor of economics at Stanford and a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. This op-ed is adapted from his testimony this week before the Joint Economic Committee, which drew on his book “First Principles: Five Keys to Restoring America’s Prosperity.” (W.W. Norton, 2012).

Comment by azdude
2012-03-29 06:33:03

The FED is controlled by wall street. Every time they have a losing bet they expect the FED to print more to save the system from failing.

dollar value chart

http://mykindred.com/cloud/TX/Documents/dollar/

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-03-29 07:05:54

1967 huh? 2 years before we landed the first men on the moon.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 07:58:59

One of my friends (who lived through the Great Depression and experienced its adverse effects) was fond of referring to the author’s think tank-home as the Hoobert Heever Institution.

 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-03-29 11:52:07

It’s the tendency of the elites to draw power to themselves, as much as they can. The Founders understood this, and tried to create a system which would blunt that natural tendency. Ultimately, it’s up to the people to vote responsibly and reward those who would stop it.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-29 06:16:40

No matter what the pessimists say,
The DJIA stays above 13K.

Index Futures:
S&P 500 1,395.50 -4.75 -0.34%
DOW 13,015 -38.00 -0.29%
NASDAQ 2,761 -7.50 -0.27%

Wall Street stays skeptical

Spain ON Strike | More about Spain
Barbara Kollmeyer/MarketWatch
A union banner lamenting the government’s desire to suspend social and labor rights hangs in Madrid during Thursday’s national strike against austerity.

Spanish unions don’t mince their words: ‘Austeridad, no!’
Spain’s major unions say all their workers are off the job Thursday in protest of austerity measures.
• Rajoy’s budget seeks to buy time for Spain
• ‘Deed in lieu’ impact so far unclear, Fitch says

EUROPE
• Euro zone’s headaches multiply (24/7 Wall St.)
• Yields turn higher in Spain, Italy | Italy debt sale
• Europe’s growth to lag in first half of 2012: OECD
Futures indicate a lower open. Investors fret about U.S. growth, China’s outlook and European debt.
Best Buy results scrutinized; RIM’s on deck.
• Improving trend intact in U.S. jobless claims
• Fourth-quarter GDP growth unrevised at 3%

Comment by azdude
2012-03-29 06:27:56

they need to hand all this stock off to retail at the top of the market so they can run it back down again.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-29 06:57:53

Pump it up, suck ‘em in, clean ‘em out.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Comment by azdude
2012-03-29 07:24:33
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Comment by Carl Morris
2012-03-29 10:01:32

they need to hand all this stock off to retail at the top of the market so they can run it back down again.

If only retail would cooperate.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-29 07:00:04

Would now be a good time for dips to buy?

March 29, 2012, 9:49 a.m. EDT
U.S. stock indexes drop for a third session
By Kate Gibson, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — U.S. stocks declined at Thursday’s start, extending losses into a third session, after jobless claims fell to 359,000 last week, with the level a bit higher than expected.

“With the stock market where it is, up 12% this year, any news that is not fantastic is going to be met with some disappointment,” said Glenn Guard, director of investment management at Campbell Wealth Management in Alexandria, Va.

Comment by azdude
2012-03-29 07:35:24

a dip of 5000 points maybe.

Comment by Carl Morris
2012-03-29 10:02:43

They’ve pumped it up so far now it needs to be more like 8000.

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Comment by oxide
2012-03-29 11:41:37

Agreed. Most 401K plans have a money market fund. I suspect people are stacking their 401K money into cash, simply satisfied with return of principle instead of return on principle. There moment there’s a bigger drop than these 500-point swings tailor-made for high-speed trade churn, J6P will jump in. but not before.

My guess: The biofuel will hit the wind turbine after the election.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-03-29 13:53:16

Most 401K plans have a money market fund. I suspect people are stacking their 401K money into cash, simply satisfied with return of principle instead of return on principle.

That fairly well describes me. My concern is not knowing what I don’t know. I don’t know whether there is risk in 401k cash or 401ks in general that I should be taking into account rather than feeling safe by going to 401k cash.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-03-29 06:25:47

I am sure you can buy in this neighborhood at $50/sq. ft.

Teen Faces Life Sentence in Slaying of UK Tourists

By TAMARA LUSH Associated Press
SARASOTA, Fla. March 29, 2012 (AP)

In a case that generated blaring tabloid headlines in the U.K. press, a Florida teen is facing life in prison without parole for murdering two young British tourists who got lost and wandered into a housing project where their convicted killer lived.

After an eight-day trial, a jury on Wednesday convicted 17-year-old Shawn Tyson of two counts of first-degree murder in the shooting of James Cooper, 25, and James Kouzaris, 24, last April.

The two men were on a three-week Sarasota holiday and spent an evening drinking when they got lost.

Both were considered fun-loving world travelers by those who knew them. Their friends Paul Davis and Joe Hallett said the pair had a knack for making friends with people of all ages and races. Cooper had traveled to Australia and loved tennis; he was a tennis pro in his hometown and had played against countryman Andy Murray. Kouzaris played rugby, taught English in Taiwan and had traveled through Central America prior to visiting Sarasota.

The men were in Florida staying with Cooper’s family on a Gulf coast beach near Sarasota and on April 15, they dined and drank downtown.

Authorities said both were drunk when they got lost and accidentally wandered just before 3 a.m. into the housing project where Tyson lived.

Witnesses testified that Tyson told them he saw two “crackers” — a derogatory term for white people — walking through the neighborhood and that he intended to rob them. The tourists said they didn’t have any money and begged Tyson to let them go home. The men also told Tyson they were lost.

“Since you ain’t got no money, then I have something for your ass,” Tyson recounted to a witness, then added that he shot the men several times.

Hallett said friends and family were thankful for the support provided by Sarasota police and municipal officials.

And Davis, who attended the trial, said although he was satisfied with the verdict, it rang hollow.

“Ours is a life sentence with no chance of parole for a broken heart and a shattered soul,” Davis said.

Both men also said they were “dissatisfied” with the lack of support or condolences from the United States government and President Barack Obama in particular.

“We would like to publicly express our dissatisfaction at the lack of any public or private message of support or condolence,” Joe Hallett, a friend of the two victims said.

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Comment by palmetto
2012-03-29 06:30:51

Sanford vs. Sarasota: A tale of two Florida cities.

Comment by aNYCdj
2012-03-29 06:43:07

This is why I always said OH’s legacy will be the death of political correctness…what happened here should have had equal outrage.

No outrage for killing whites then no outrage for killing blacks.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 08:07:04

Deejay, I don’t know about everyone else on this board, but I’m getting a wee bit tired of the tone of your posts. I’m sorry that you’ve had so many troubles in finding work, but I’m concerned that it’s leading you toward racial prejudice. It’s not something I find attractive, and I’m sure there are others who feel the same way.

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-29 08:25:29

” I’m sure there are others who feel the same way”

Agreed. I am outraged at all violent crimes. But Zimmerman’s was especially heinous, plus there seems to be a coverup attempt. Zimmerman looked fine to me in that police video, I thought the kid allegedly beat the crap out of him. I know some are saying that the video is too lo-res. In that case, the cops should have photos taken after the crime. I’d like to see those.

As for justice, I believe that the idiot who killed the two drunken Brits is behind bars, while Zimmerman is not only still free, he’s become a folkhero to the NRA crowd.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-03-29 08:30:14

+1 A racist- and a hypocrite, who makes his living (?) spinning music that wouldn’t exist if not for the people he hates on.

Pitiful, really. But also getting tiresome, as he goes further off the deep end.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-03-29 09:29:16

I’m sorry slim…. …but then maybe it is, we’ve coddled those people for so long that just getting back to Fair is Fair, even-steven means reverse discrimination and making up for past imbalances…

Its the same trying to promote zydeco…just about everyday i talk or email promoters bar owners and yet they are all so scared of this music because its not ghetto..

People here cannot wrap their heads around the fact that there are hundreds of black musicians that sing in English….now that to me is severe racism

————
but I’m concerned that it’s leading you toward racial prejudice

 
Comment by oxide
2012-03-29 12:12:13

DJ, by now it should be abundantly clear that despite your opinion, zydeco dick jockying has roughly the same size customer base as a degree Early Elizabethan history: that is, not enough to sustain you.

You seem to have been out of work … what, 4-5 years now? That’s time enough to update your paralegal skillz — or even earn a whole new college degree in any field — or train in a trade school in advanced manufacturing in the Midwest (many tech centers out there), learn a new langauge for overseas volunteer work, or join the military, teach English in Asia, join a church, something, anything, Or at least move to an area where it’s cheaper to be unemployed.

 
Comment by oxide
2012-03-29 12:13:49

(oh dear, bad typo :oops: )

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-03-29 12:37:02

bad typo :oops:

Is that a new dance?

 
Comment by Posers
2012-03-29 12:38:50

Still…no attention re: Kansas City event.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 13:10:05

DJ, by now it should be abundantly clear that despite your opinion, zydeco disk jockeying has roughly the same size customer base as a degree Early Elizabethan history: that is, not enough to sustain you.

Here in Tucson, there’s a zydeco show on KXCI. Yeah, I know. My favoritest radio station ever. The one where I’m ever so slowly learning how to be a deejay.

The zydeco show is specialty programming that’s on for all of two hours on a Sunday evening. That’s all.

I don’t know about other stations, but the way to get ahead at KXCI is to know how to be a music mixer. A music mix combines a variety of styles, and it’s easier said than done. I can vouch for that.

Sure, you can have a specialty (I wanna play jazz!) but you’d better know how to do the music mix thing. I’m still trying to get the hang of it, and from what I’m hearing from the station management, I’ve got a-ways to go. I expected that.

Do I expect to be paid as a deejay? Not anytime soon.

I took the KXCI deejay training to get better at public speaking in general and speaking for broadcast in particular. These are skills I need to have if I want to start presenting shows about my bike travels. More on that topic in future HBBs.

In the meantime, I’m going to keep on with the music mixing practice. If you’re up early this Saturday morning, I’ll be the Boot Camp deejay at 5 a.m. MST/PDT. Tune in!

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-03-30 00:24:43

Actually, Oxy, I thought you were being intentional. ;-)

There’s a huge amount of self-loathing and denial going on here, but agreed, it’s beyond tedious at this point and well into the realm of cringe-worthy; rapidly approaching the group-stfu stage.

 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-29 09:45:39

what happened here should have had equal outrage.

I guess they didn’t look like his son would have, if he had had one.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2012-03-29 09:54:42
 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-03-29 06:57:50

“Sanford vs. Sarasota: A tale of two Florida cities.”

My point isn`t about cities it`s about neighborhoods. It is also not about black/white neighborhoods, there are hoods around here that have dropped back to $50 sq./ft. where I would not want to buy that are predominantly white like Cabana Colony in Palm Beach Gardens aka Canibal Colony. The PTB have let $50k houses that ran up to $200k/$250k+ drop back to $50k. They have kept $150k houses that ran up to $500k+ artificially inflated at $300k+. But I guess it wouldn`t have worked as well if they did it the other way around.

PS

The rents on the places that have dropped back to $50k have remained high at $1,200 a month. Sandtree / Palm Beach Gardens.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-29 11:43:38

The rents on the places that have dropped back to $50k have remained high at $1,200 a month. Sandtree / Palm Beach Gardens.

Wow, that’s _crazy_!!

You can definitely cash-flow at 40-times monthly-rents.

Unless rents are unsustainably high (likely, IMHO), or the type of tenants you get in that neighborhood are very likely to cause extremely high repair expenses, that sounds like a screaming deal.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-03-29 07:17:25

I am sure you can buy in this neighborhood at $50/sq. ft.

And when prices are $50/sq. ft. in your desired neighborhood, will these people not move there?

Comment by jeff saturday
2012-03-29 07:43:58

“And when prices are $50/sq. ft. in your desired neighborhood, will these people not move there?”

I do not think prices will ever reach $50/sq. ft. in my desired neighborhoods. If allowed to I think they will reach $80/$100/sq. ft.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-03-29 08:35:11

I do not think prices will ever reach $50/sq. ft. in my desired neighborhoods. If allowed to I think they will reach $80/$100/sq. ft.

What do you base this guesstimation on?

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Comment by jeff saturday
2012-03-29 10:03:21

“What do you base this guesstimation on?”

Just a guess, it`s about where people could actually afford to make the payments. But I will never be able to afford where these people live.

Palm Beach County’s surplus of upscale homes opens some up to those with Section 8 housing vouchers

By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 10:25 p.m. Saturday, Oct. 1, 2011

WELLINGTON — The lakefront home on Crown Point in Wellington once was leased to the polo set as a seasonal rental for the well-heeled followers of the sport of kings.

With fewer pony-loving transients arriving during the economic slump, the nearly 3,000-square-foot home is now being marketed to tenants whose heels are more humble - those with Section 8 housing vouchers from the government.

The housing bust has been a boon for low-income families who receive the federal rental subsidy as a glut of homes - sometimes with pools, sometimes in gated communities - weighs heavily on the market.

About 6,600 families in West Palm Beach, Delray Beach and their surrounding unincorporated areas receive Section 8 vouchers. The monthly rent subsidy for local homes is as high as $2,109 for a five-bedroom, three-bathroom home in a suburban Lake Worth gated community.

“They’re looking for new kitchens, granite countertops, stainless steel,” said Andy Pollack, who manages rental properties including several that he rents to families with Section 8 vouchers.

Unable to sell his home for what he still owes on the mortgage, Michael Quintavalle said he hopes to rent his three-bedroom, two-bathroom house in The Acreage.

The home, a model property for the builder, sits on more than 2 acres, has a koi pond and two screened-in porches and is available to Section 8 tenants.

“So many people are having a hard time and losing their homes,” Quintavalle said, explaining why he’s open to Section 8. “Plus, it’s a sure thing. You know you’re going to get your rent money.”

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Comment by butters
2012-03-29 07:57:31

Both men also said they were “dissatisfied” with the lack of support or condolences from the United States government and President Barack Obama in particular.

That’s telling, isn’t it? The British people have no idea, for Obama to care the victims have to be blacks/minorities/gays and the perpetrator ALWAYS has to be a straight white male.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-03-29 08:36:17

How would you know Zimmerman’s straight?

Comment by aNYCdj
2012-03-29 09:58:08

you mean trayvon was on down low kinda brother…and covering it up by being a macho gangsta thug?

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Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-29 10:32:52

Was Trevon a drug-dealing gangster

This article and some adhoc research done by the author may not paint the same picture of the punk, Treyvon, that his parents, the black activist community, the liberal media establishment, or Obama would like…

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-03-29 10:54:09

I was guilty of jumping in on this but like ahansen said…..

“I wasn’t there that night, nor were the rest of us. Shall we wait for due process on this one?”

FWIW I think she is right.

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-29 11:31:53

FWIW I think she is right.

I agree with both you and ahansen. We weren’t there. We shouldn’t judge until all the evidence presents itself, but…

I’m tired of the black community screaming for “justice”, trying the case in the media and painting a picture of Treyvon as victim, while glossing over the facts as they are known currently.

Additionally, the libtard anti-gun establishment is jumping all over this in an attempt to paint LTC holders as vigilantes and a danger to society in order to weaken gun legislation. Both anti-gun libtards and the black community have an axe to grind, and it doesn’t sit well with me, when the evidence points to Zimmerman as a victim.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 11:43:02

Additionally, the libtard anti-gun establishment is jumping all over this in an attempt to paint LTC holders as vigilantes and a danger to society in order to weaken gun legislation. Both anti-gun libtards and the black community have an axe to grind, and it doesn’t sit well with me, when the evidence points to Zimmerman as a victim.

Looks like I’d better get busy and design that libtard tee shirt. Should I offer an “anti-gun establishment” version as well?

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-03-29 11:58:38

How about No one has been shot at a zydeco dance….

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 12:04:41

How about No one has been shot at a zydeco dance…

It would be interesting to hear you saying, in a face to face conversation with CJ Chenier and the Red Hot Louisiana Band, some of the things you’ve been saying on this board. Somehow, I don’t think they’d be amused.

 
Comment by MrBubble
2012-03-29 12:09:28

“Should I offer an “anti-gun establishment” version as well?”

Don’t fergit yer “Climate-Gate: it’s cold where I live” version!

AZ — you’re the gaphic designer, but I’m thinking some sort of riff on the proverbial ostrich with the head in the sand (or somewhere else nice and dark).

 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-03-29 12:09:56

I think the Treyvon Martin incident captured the imagination of the nation because it sounds like two different compelling issues:

1) “Law abiding black youth, merely walking through a neighborhood is targeted by angry white male and gunned down merely because he’s black.”

2) “Concerned citizen, sees suspicious individual, takes initiative and confronts individual, and then shoots him after the suspicious individual attacks him.”

The facts of the case still remain elusive. We have rumors and speculation. Before turning this into the Duke Lacrosse rape case, I think we need to wait for the facts. If Zimmerman committed an unlawful homicide, he should be prosecuted. If not, he should be allowed to continue with his life unmolested.

 
Comment by oxide
2012-03-29 12:19:23

while glossing over the facts as they are known currently.

… which I am sure are 100% correct? Let’s wait for due process on this one, please. And let’s hope that the police department in Sanford does a better job than the one in Los Angeles.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-03-29 12:34:11

We weren’t there. We shouldn’t judge until all the evidence presents itself, but…

There is something odd about this case. Something we don’t know yet. The kid goes out and buys Skittles and Arizona Iced Tea together. Now who does that? That seems to be a heck of a lot of sugar and they don’t even go together. Was it his dinner or a snack? And why are Skittles so gaudy? Have you seen the colors? They’re like M&M’s on crack. They’re gaudy like gold teeth. Come to find out the kid had gold teeth. Maybe because he ate too many Skittles.

And Zimmerman is a Jewish name. Funny, he doesn’t look Jewish. And now I find out he’s 1/2 Hispanic but he looks kind of Asian to me which does not add up because very few Asians with Jewish names carry guns and especially in Florida. But I’m going to wait for due process too before I jump to any conclusions about the above stuff. But it is odd.

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-29 12:37:22

Looks like I’d better get busy and design that libtard tee shirt. Should I offer an “anti-gun establishment” version as well?

From my perspective, they are one and the same, but knock yourself out.

Wise guys (and gals)…

 
Comment by Max Power
2012-03-29 12:38:49

“How about No one has been shot at a zydeco dance….”

Possibly because no one is at a zydeco dance…

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-29 12:46:59

Looks like I’d better get busy and design that libtard tee shirt. Should I offer an “anti-gun establishment” version as well?

I’ve got my design right here:
Sheepdog patch

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-29 13:59:52

“Possibly because no one is at a zydeco dance…”

At least we now know why aNYCdj isn’t getting any gigs ;-)

 
Comment by MrBubble
2012-03-29 14:13:06

“Possibly because no one is at a zydeco dance…”

Now that’s funny!

 
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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-29 17:32:47

The kid goes out and buys Skittles and Arizona Iced Tea together.

LOL, Rio… I nominate you for First Good Post on this entire subject. :-)

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-29 17:49:20

The kid goes out and buys Skittles and Arizona Iced Tea together.

I’m _sure_ he had to be tripping on absinth, or shroooms, or something else hallucinogenic. That’s the only valid reason for buying so dang much SUGAR! :-)

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-03-29 22:31:11

CJ and i go back…I taped him and have more to put up but his idiot booking agency wont use my videos on his website or myspace page even though i offered to give it to them free..

No wonder why these artists are not mainstream. I always thought of CJ as Barry White with an accordion…..but CJ has some a good amount of weight since

You see thats what i have to deal with in NYC people cant wrap their heads around hundreds of black people congregating at a dance and no one get shot….Its truly a radical idea here. but then OH has set race relations back 20 years so…I may just have to enjoy the 300 cd’s i’ve bought without a swear word on them…at home…so sad.

How about No one has been shot at a zydeco dance…

It would be interesting to hear you saying, in a face to face conversation with CJ Chenier and the Red Hot Louisiana Band, some of the things you’ve been saying on this board. Somehow, I don’t think they’d be amused.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-03-29 22:43:46

How can you not like this guys and gals:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUCnYmnOYPg

 
Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2012-03-31 13:28:19

“but CJ has some a good amount of weight since”

Sorry, but whose English are you always complaining about? :D

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-29 07:04:31

March 29, 2012, 10:00 a.m. EDT
30-year mortgage rate falls to 3.99%
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Shanghai stocks tumble to lead most of Asia down
Europe stocks lower led by Spain; H&M tumbles

By Ruth Mantell

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Following various reports of weaker housing data, the 30-year fixed-rate mortgage average fell to 3.99% in the week ending March 29 from 4.08% in the prior week, Freddie Mac said Thursday in its weekly report. The rate was 4.86% a year earlier. To obtain the latest rate, payment of an average 0.7 point was required, according to Freddie, a buyer of residential mortgages. A point is 1% of the mortgage amount, charged in prepaid interest. The 15-year fixed-rate mortgage fell to 3.23% in the latest week from 3.30% in the prior week. Meanwhile, the average rate on the 5-year Treasury-indexed hybrid adjustable-rate mortgage decreased to 2.90% from 2.96%. The 1-year Treasury-indexed ARM fell to 2.78% from 2.84%.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-29 07:06:26

Yawn…

March 28, 2012, 4:30 a.m. EDT
Shanghai stocks tumble to lead most of Asia down
By Sarah Turner and V. Phani Kumar, MarketWatch

HONG KONG (MarketWatch) — Chinese shares tumbled to lead a broad decline for major Asian markets Wednesday, with the Shanghai benchmark suffering this year’s worst percentage loss so far, led by mining and metal stocks.

On mainland bourses, the Shanghai Composite (CN:000001 -1.43%) tumbled 2.7%, its worst loss since late November, to finish at 2,284.88, while the Shenzhen Composite slumped 4.1% to 909.58. Hong Kong’s Hang Seng Index (HK:HSI -1.32%) lost 0.8% to 20,885.42.

“State enterprises’ combined earnings are going down. This is relatively new, so sellers are using that as an excuse to drag down the market,” said Steve Cheng, associate director at Shenyin Wanguo. The selling might also be an effort by institutional investors to lock in profits before the end of the first quarter, he added.

Comment by azdude
2012-03-29 07:28:58

time to dig some more holes and then fill them up again.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2012-03-29 07:10:04

Wake me up from hibernation when this correction ends. I am thinking it will be over by early next week, as the stock market always goes up, in the long run.

March 28, 2012, 5:15 p.m. EDT
U.S. stocks drop as global growth fears percolate
Oil sinks after emergency-reserve talk, rise in inventories
By Laura Mandaro, MarketWatch

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — U.S. stocks fell for a second session Wednesday as investors dumped energy and other stocks closely tied to global growth after a disappointing report on durable-goods orders.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average DJIA -0.34% ended down 71.52 points, or 0.5%, to 13,126.21, or 0.4% higher from last Friday’s close. At its lows of the day, down 128 points, it had briefly lost weekly gains.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-29 09:10:32

” … rise in inventorie$”

Demand$ goes Down, Down, Down

Price$ goes Up$! Up$! Up$!

$torage, Bet$ & Bottleneck$

Lubricant$ for the “Free-Market$” :-)

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-03-29 10:02:55

I think the markets will be allowed to drop because “they” believe the rest of us will give our blessing for another round of QE once they rally up the fear factor again. I think they may be experiencing the law of diminishing returns on the wash-rinse-repeat cycle. I’m seeing an awful lot of polls and social commentary that show most people are starting to get we’re only kicking the can down the road to an even more dangerous location.

Comment by oxide
2012-03-29 12:21:13

They’re just crying Wolf now, and J6P knows it.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2012-03-29 07:11:39

Am I missing something, or does the steadily improving labor market situation seriously undermine the Fed’s case for QE3?

March 29, 2012, 8:30 a.m. EDT
U.S. jobless claims total 359,000 in latest week
By Jeffry Bartash

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - The number of Americans who filed requests for jobless benefits fell by 5,000 last week to a seasonally adjusted 359,000, the U.S. Labor Department said Thursday. The latest data includes the government’s annual seasonal-adjustment revisions extending back five years, which have resulted in a small increase in weekly claims. The number of new applications for benefits last week, for example, was originally reported at 348,000. The revisions now put last week’s level of claims at 364,000, a 4.6% increase. Economists surveyed by MarketWatch projected claims would fall to 345,000 in the week ended March 24, but those estimates did not factor in the revisions. The average of new claims over the past four weeks, meanwhile, dropped by 3,500 to 365,000, a four-year low. Continuing claims decreased by 41,000 to a seasonally adjusted 3.34 million in the week ended March 17, the Labor Department said. About 7.15 million people received some kind of state or federal benefit in the week ended March. 10, down 131,488 from the prior week. Figures for continuing claims and total claims were little changed under the government’s revised formula for calculating the data.

Comment by azdude
2012-03-29 07:30:40

FED party must go on till november.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-03-29 10:17:15

NYs borrowing from its pension funds so it’s all good. Previously unfunded programs last year are getting funded this year. One local district is putting taxes up for its residents without a single lay-off. In another district a friend that is a lunch lady told me she is getting paid $16/hr. I’ve never followed up to see if that’s true. Actually I’m afraid of what words would fall out of my mouth if it was confirmed. I wonder if that district near the Lakes Region will still be getting their cosmetic plastic surgery 100% funded by their medical plan. This was reported in our local Syracuse Post Standard a few months back.

With the new proposed NYS budget, the state is also supposed to be picking up more of the Medicare/Medicaid costs from the counties. No word where the state is getting the extra funds to cover that in an increasingly aging population. If Wall Street bonuses are down this year that represents a huge drop in tax receipts.

Comment by aNYCdj
2012-03-29 12:03:07

She could make a real nice living if they has 2 free breakfast shifts and 6 lunch shifts and don’t forget the after school snack programs…

In another district a friend that is a lunch lady told me she is getting paid $16/hr.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-29 07:14:01

Mar 28, 2012 1:28pm
Romney Boosts Wisconsin Gov. Walker Ahead of Recall Election

(Image Credit: Don Emmert/AFP/Getty Images)

LOS ANGELES — At a Wisconsin voters’ tele-town hall Wednesday, Mitt Romney threw his support behind embattled Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who is facing a recall election after he orchestrated a law that cuts public employees’ collective bargaining rights in the state.

“Governor Walker is, in my opinion, an excellent governor, and I believe that he is right to stand up for the citizens of Wisconsin, and to insist that those people who are working in the public sector unions have rights to effect their wages, but that these benefits and retiree benefits have fallen out of line with the capacity of the state to pay them, and so I support the governor in his effort to reign in the excesses that have permeated the public sector union and government negotiations over the years,” said Romney.

This was the first tele-town hall Romney has held with Wisconsin voters ahead of next week’s primary.

“This is something which a number of other states have confronted as well,” said Romney, who talks daily about the need to reduce the size of government and curtail out of control spending. “The state of Indiana, even my home state of Massachusetts, has reigned in the collective bargaining excesses associated with retirement benefits for future retirees.”

“I understand that current retirees are not having their benefits changed, but for future retirees collective bargaining will not include some of these retirement benefits, and I support the governor and his effort to bring fiscal responsibility to the capitol,” said Romney.

Comment by azdude
2012-03-29 07:27:53

santorum on a roll with obamaville:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDGORiD82rQ

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-29 07:59:48

That commercial is bleaker than The Hunger Games. I can see why Republican voters would find it exciting.

Comment by DudgeonBludgeon
2012-03-29 09:37:56

Wow. That ad is awesome. Just imagine if any of it were true.
How many Preppers are out there to respond to this?

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Comment by Steve J
2012-03-29 13:05:13

Gun sales are booming if that gives you any idea.

 
 
 
Comment by howiewowie
2012-03-29 14:03:05

Someone pointed out if you do the math for the gas pump numbers shown in the ad, the price comes out to $2 something a gallon. Many would drive out of their way to “Obamaville” just to fill up with cheap gas there.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-29 07:15:47

EUROPE NEWS
Updated March 29, 2012, 5:28 a.m. ET

Spain Strike Challenges Austerity
By DAVID ROMÁN and JONATHAN HOUSE

MADRID—A nationwide general strike in Spain started early Thursday with closures of factories across the country, though activity levels seemed largely normal in big cities.

The strike, called by the two largest unions in the country, is the first clear challenge to Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy’s austerity and reform drive. It has drawn support from the Socialist Party, which was in power until December and is the largest opposition in parliament, as well as the much smaller United Left bloc.

On downtown city streets there was a little more traffic than usual as more people used their cars to go to work. The Madrid regional government agreed minimum services with public transport operators of about 30% of normal capacity.

In the underground Sol metro and train station, there was less activity than usual. Lidia Castillo, a 38-year-old waitress at a nearby restaurant, said there were fewer people than usual on her train from the Villaverde suburb. She said trains were coming every 20-30 minutes instead of the usual 10-15 minutes.

The streets around the central Puerta del Sol square were strewed with fliers and storefronts were dotted with stickers bearing slogans like “We are on strike!” and “They want to take away our rights!” Carrera San Jeronimo street was filled with trash, beer bottles and the remnants from a small fire where a group of protesters had gathered in the early hours.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-03-29 10:36:02

This is so confusing. Earlier in the month, I was reading this in London’s Telegraph:

“As many readers will already have seen, Premier Mariano Rajoy has refused point blank to comply with the austerity demands of the European Commission and the European Council (hijacked by Merkozy).

Taking what he called a “sovereign decision”, he simply announced that he intends to ignore the EU deficit target of 4.4pc of GDP for this year, setting his own target of 5.8pc instead (down from 8.5pc in 2011).

In the twenty years or so that I have been following EU affairs closely, I cannot remember such a bold and open act of defiance by any state. Usually such matters are fudged. Countries stretch the line, but do not actually cross it.”

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100015432/spains-sovereign-thunderclap-and-the-end-of-merkels-europe/

The strike, called by the two largest unions in the country, is the first clear challenge to Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy’s austerity and reform drive.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-29 07:18:32

Cramdowns are coming.

Developments
Real estate news and analysis from The Wall Street Journal

March 28, 2012, 3:40 PM

Mortgage Write-Downs Granted Here, There – Not Everywhere
By Alan Zibel

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac aren’t granting reductions in homeowners’ loan balances, as has been widely noted of late. Nevertheless, some Americans who have gotten into trouble on their mortgages are actually seeing their loan balances cut, as a debate rages in Washington about whether doing so on a wider scale will be effective.

More than 35,000 homeowners received principal reductions from their lender last year, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency said in a report Wednesday. The total was up about 20% from about 29,000 in 2010. But it was still down 23% from nearly 46,000 in 2009, when banks started to write down loans acquired at a discount from failed institutions.

“Principal reduction modifications can be an effective tool in the overall arsenal,” said Bruce Kruger, the OCC’s lead mortgage expert.

Banks are mainly granting homeowners write-downs if they hold those loans on their balance sheet and tend to do so for loans that are significantly “under water”— meaning that the homeowner owes far more on the property than the home is worth. They are not permitted to do so for loans that they have sold to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the federally controlled mortgage investors.

Principal reductions made up about 8.5% of all loan modifications completed in the fourth quarter, compared with 7.8% in the third quarter of last year and 2.7% in the fourth quarter of 2010, the regulator said.

The OCC’s quarterly “mortgage metrics” report covers 31.4 million loans worth $5.4 trillion, or 60% of U.S. home loans. Of those mortgages, about 3.8 million, or 12% had missed at least one mortgage payment, and 1.3 million were in foreclosure as of the end of last year.

Whether to encourage more loan reductions for troubled homeowners has been a matter of intense public interest. The Obama administration has stepped up pressure on the independent regulator for Fannie and Freddie to grant more reductions, offering new incentives to do so.

The federal regulator, the Federal Housing Finance Agency, has been evaluating the incentives the administration has offered. But the agency’s acting director, Edward DeMarco, has resisted doing so, saying that it may not make economic sense for Fannie and Freddie and could encourage more borrowers to default.

“We’re encouraging them to … look at it again because we think there’s a good economic case, a good financial case for doing it in some cases,” Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner told House lawmakers on Wednesday.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 08:10:07

As mentioned before, one of my cousins (a real estate agent) was facing foreclosure on an investment house. Yeah, I know. He should have talked to Cousin Slim before buying it, but I was out of the loop.

Any-hoo, he told the bank that they could have the house back. Bank didn’t want it back. Instead, bank did a cramdown kind of deal with my cousin and he still has the house.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-03-29 10:27:22

So will comp prices be adjusted to reflect cramdowns?

 
 
Comment by Awaiting
2012-03-29 07:53:44

Who knew David Koch sat on the board of Reason Magazine.
Who knew that the Koch Brothers started The Cato Institute.
(I might have known at one time-mentalpause.)http://www.npr.org/2012/03/27/149443423/koch-brothers-move-to-control-cato-institute

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-03-29 08:44:21

Who knew

Me!

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-29 09:21:33

“None dare$ call$ it a CON$piracy!” :-)

One of the founding members was Fred Koch, founder of Koch Industries, one of the largest private corporations in America.

The John Birch Society is an American political advocacy group that supports anti-communism, limited government, a Constitutional Republic and personal freedom. It has been described as radical right-wing.

Founder Robert W. Welch Jr. (1899–1985) developed an elaborate organizational infrastructure in 1958 that enabled him to keep a very tight rein on the chapters. Originally based in Belmont, Massachusetts, it is now headquartered in Grand Chute, Wisconsin, with local chapters in all 50 states. The organization owns American Opinion Publishing, which publishes the journal The New American.

Comment by MrBubble
2012-03-29 12:13:18

I used to read Reason until I GTFU (grew the …. up). I remember one article right before I quit where they described a person with acne as “pineapple-faced”. Now THAT is some hard-hitting (sixth grade) journalism!

 
 
 
Comment by ahansen
2012-03-29 08:05:16

Re: “Social contract” and the current SCOTUS debate.

If public health does not “promote the general welfare” in our country, I don’t know what does. One child sick with airborne Ebola virus+one over-crowded airplane = a whole country in peril and/or panic.

The insurance industry doesn’t get to dictate to America’s military system, educational system, transportation and infrastructural systems; why should it have any say in our public health care? (ans: Because they can’t wring any more money out of the banking system?)

Back to the point:
Just as we all benefit from a common defense, we also benefit from our public health system every time we eat at a restaurant and don’t contract TB, or expect the paramedics to show up at a crash site and cart the injured off to hospital instead of some back-alley quack. Public health is both a benefit and a duty of American citizenship, just as getting an education is, funding our roads is, defending the country is.

I think the problem America is having with the current “health care debate” is that we’ve let the insurance industry define it. We’re debating mandated “insurance” here, not mandated public health.

The insurance industry has NOTHING to do with health care; doctors do. Nurses and techs do. Hospitals and clinics do. Researchers and clinicians do. Insurance middlemen do not– anymore than they have any business dictating to our military how to “prosecute” our wars, our farmers how to feed us, or our schools how to teach our children to read. “Health Insurers” have turned a concept into a commodity, and the American people have just accepted it as “the way things are.”

It’s time to re-brand the argument.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-29 08:14:04

I think the problem America is having with the current “health care debate” is that we’ve let the insurance industry define it.

I agree 100%.

 
Comment by palmetto
2012-03-29 08:16:06

“I think the problem America is having with the current “health care debate” is that we’ve let the insurance industry define it. We’re debating mandated “insurance” here, not mandated public health.”

Bingo, + a gazillion

Now that’s what I call nailin’ it.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 08:21:23

I’d be remiss in my duties as your HBB Librarian if I didn’t offer a book recommendation.

So, here’s the shout-out to Wendell Potter, author of Deadly Spin. Potter is a former health insurance industry executive-turned whistleblower. His discussion of how the health insurance industry uses propaganda is priceless.

 
Comment by 2banana
2012-03-29 08:49:43

Ah - the old “promote the general welfare” means the founding fathers really wanted socialism and the all powerful central government that goes along with it argument.

It makes no sense in historical fact, what is actually written in the US Constitution or what minutemen fought, sacrificed and died for.

It is a silly talking point for uneducated souls.

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Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

Comment by measton
2012-03-29 09:09:02

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

Oh I thought you were talking about the corporate oligarchs for a minute.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-03-29 10:54:44

Little known fact: the American Revolution WAS about rejecting corporatism, namely, the East India Company, which wholly controlled the British government at that time and was bleeding the colonists dry and breaking long standing contracts.

Reading the Declaration of Independence is very scary these days as the grievances are almost exactly the same problems we have today.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-03-29 13:27:57

Ah - the old “promote the general welfare” means the founding fathers really wanted socialism and the all powerful central government…It makes no sense in historical fact,

2banana It does make sense that healthcare is part of our general welfare and I will prove it point by point. Firstly we are talking healthcare here. Don’t blow it up to the right’s throwaway line “all-powerful government” thing. Let’s stick with healthcare. Good god the right screams about an intrusive government but doesn’t blink twice filling out a 20 page BlueCross application asking every time you saw a doctor the past 20 years, and then only to be denied. As if that is not an intrusion. Good grief.

But let’s look at the right’s favorite “PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE”: You have no problem with taxpayer money for this part. The goal here is to protect every American equally-the rich, the poor. (even the Irish) Equally. Our military protection protects all Americans equally. (socialistic huh?)

Now let’s look at “PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE” and what it means.
Welfare definition: The health, happiness, and fortunes of a person or group

General: Adj: Affecting or concerning all or most people

Note the word “health” in welfare’s definition and note the meaning of “general”-all or most. America’s healthcare system HAS COME TO BE a critical AND divisive factor in American’s general welfare. Healthcare today is so much more important to our welfare than it was in 1787. In 1787 the founders didn’t address healthcare because it was affordable to most all, wasn’t a big deal, did not divide us in to live or die groups and didn’t really do much. Bleeding anyone?

Today 1/3 of the American population has no insurance or junk insurance. This means 1/3 of our people are treated markedly different than 2/3s of American in our general welfare and the access to health-care. This is unjust and violates the Constitution’s spirit of equal justice for all as well.

Our current healthcare system does not comply with “promoting the general welfare” of the health of all or most. So by definition and facts one can easily conclude that promoting the general welfare includes promoting the health of all or most Americans-not 2/3’s of Americans but all or most.

2banana, Am I not correct by definition, the facts and the evolutionary importance of healthcare in 2012 compared to 1787?

And if not, why?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 14:07:35

Today 1/3 of the American population has no insurance or junk insurance. This means 1/3 of our people are treated markedly different than 2/3s of American in our general welfare and the access to health-care. This is unjust and violates the Constitution’s spirit of equal justice for all as well

Speaking as someone who has junk insurance, I concur with the above. And I do hope that the city of Los Angeles wins its case against my “health insurer.” (Quotation marks used on purpose.)

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Comment by measton
2012-03-29 09:07:31

The insurance industry doesn’t get to dictate to America’s military system, educational system, transportation and infrastructural systems; why should it have any say in our public health care

Uh the military industrial complex has great input into what our military does.

The right is trying like hell to give the private education companies control over education so they can strip tax payer dollars.

Highway construction companies and other construction companies are big time donors to politicians for obvious reasons.

Why are you so afraid of handing health care over to corporate America. It’s capitalism and the free market?????

No it’s corporatism a guaranteed check from the gov to the well connected.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-03-29 10:56:38

Privatization was NEVER about smaller government. It was and IS about bigger business.

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-03-29 11:57:12

Don’t conflate an entity with a system. America needs to streamline its services, pay the providers, and cut out the middlemen; I.E.; the banksters.

If public heath services are a given, we won’t need “insurers” taking their cut. The USPS is still the best bargain around for basic mail services. And millions of Easterners swear by Amtrak and their Metrolinks.

When I need a “specialist” I can always hire UPS or FedEx. Or a taxi. But I don’t need an insurer to help me do it.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 12:08:05

If public heath services are a given, we won’t need “insurers” taking their cut. The USPS is still the best bargain around for basic mail services. And millions of Easterners swear by Amtrak and their Metrolinks.

I can vouch for the USPS and Amtrak. Wish we had more frequent trains through here. And I think that a high-speed rail line between here and Phoenix would be lovely.

As for the private health insurance industry, it can go to hell and ring a bell.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-03-29 10:24:44

I have a feeling you’re going to have to pry that power out their (the insurance industry’s) cold, dead hands.

 
Comment by BetterRenter
2012-03-29 16:34:59

ahansen said: If public health does not “promote the general welfare” in our country, I don’t know what does.

Well, even if it does, the Congress only has the power to TAX you to service that general welfare; it does NOT have the power to force you to purchase a private product or service to that end. The Congress should have instead taxed you for public hospitals that were open to all without further charge. Oops! That sounds like the hated socialized medicine!

That’s the core issue, not whatever you believe should be “re-branded” here. The Democrats avoided all of this since they didn’t want to commit to actual socialized medicine. They so fiercely wanted to avoid that, to obey their insurer donors, that they outright crossed the U.S. Constitution. THAT is what the SCOTUS has to smack down: The “individual mandate” in Obamacare. It’s illegal and it cannot stand.

Comment by ahansen
2012-03-29 17:45:44

You miss the larger point in your partisanship, Bitter Better.

By removing business from public health, there will be no need to “force” anyone to buy anything. I don’t “buy” myself a soldier, or a farmer, or a highway system. Our children don’t have to purchase their math teachers.

And we ARE taxed for our public hospitals, emergency services, medical schools, health inspectors, epidemiologists, etc. I’m simply arguing that there is no need to pay an addition service fee to middlemen we don’t need just because they’ve insinuated themselves into the system and defined it as “health insurance.”

We don’t have military insurance, food insurance, education insurance. Why health insurance?

Comment by Bronco
2012-03-30 03:13:19

Exactly, hansen. That’s why we need to scrap this obama plan and start over. If you are going to do universal healthcare, do universal health care. This hybrid model only enriches the insurance companies.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-30 08:21:26

If you are going to do universal healthcare, do universal health care. This hybrid model only enriches the insurance companies.

+1.

Public health-care does not seem to have destroyed, the UK, Canada, Scotland (where my father had his wisdom teeth removed during a year abroad back in the ’50s for free), or many other countries.

We certainly don’t need the insurance companies sucking money out of the system while pretending to “administer” it.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 08:27:02

Panic-stricken phone call comes into the Arizona Slim Ranch early this morning. It’s my mother:

“Slim, WHERE did you put my car keys?”

Mind you, this is the same mother who drew a very bad hand in the Lousy Luck card game back on February 13th. She fell on ice and broke her wrist and hurt her hip that day. She fell again on the 28th, an MRI was done, and lucky her, broken hip. Off to surgery for both the hip and wrist.

As mentioned here before, I went back east to tend to my dad (who can’t live alone) and her from February 27 to March 14.

What prompted Mom’s phone call was her doctor visit yesterday. Doc took the brace off her wrist, and said the X-ray of it and her hip looked fine. He also said that my mom was one tough lady and that he didn’t want to see her again for a very long time.

I told Mom that I’d kept the car keys in my room (so that my dad wouldn’t find them and go out for a joyride) while I was back east. After she got home, I gave the keys back to her and she put them in her purse. Where she found them this morn.

This afternoon, she’s going to take a drive over to the hairdresser.

WOO-HOO!!!!

Comment by polly
2012-03-29 09:20:16

Wonderful news, slim. All my best to your mom.

 
Comment by Elanor
2012-03-29 11:20:46

Very, very glad news, Slim!

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-03-29 11:58:53

The good genes show, Slim. The good genes show.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-29 12:05:55

Glad to hear she is doing well, Slim…

 
 
Comment by measton
2012-03-29 08:50:59

Conservatives, particularly those with college educations, have become dramatically more skeptical of science over the past four decades, according to a study published in the April issue of the American Sociological Review. Fewer than 35 percent of conservatives say they have a “great deal” of trust in the scientific community now, compared to nearly half in 1974.

“The scientific community … has been concerned about this growing distrust in the public with science. And what I found in the study is basically that’s really not the problem. The growing distrust of science is entirely focused in two groups—conservatives and people who frequently attend church,” says the study’s author, University of North Carolina postdoctoral fellow Gordon Gauchat.

In fact, in 1974, people who identified as conservatives were among the most confident in science as an institution, with liberals trailing slightly behind, and moderates bringing up the rear. Liberals have remained fairly steady in their opinion of the scientific community over the interim, while conservative trust in science has plummeted.

If you don’t believe in science ie the process of observation, measurement, thesis, testing and pier review and testing. What do you use to make decisions? Do people really trust the faith of politicians over the scientific process?

Comment by 2banana
2012-03-29 09:02:39

It is because science (especially earth sciences) has become so political and is used as a hammer by the left.

Just look at the “global warming debate”

It was to be used as a hammer to massively raise taxes and increase the size and scope of government. Based on theories and little data. And yet all the proposals would have done nothing to alter “global warming”.

There is a phrase now - environmentalism is recycled communism and nazism.

And all science/research that is not-PC - it is ignored and shunned.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-29 09:42:22

“There is a phrase now - environmentalism is recycled communism and nazism.”

I guess that’s why the air and water are cleaner here than in all those “business friendly” countries.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-03-29 11:23:07

But corporate communism is just fine.

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Comment by AZ Librarian
2012-03-29 10:18:21

“There is a phrase now - environmentalism is recycled communism and nazism”

Oh Geez, I am so tired of this. Want to try and put a bad spin on something, use the word communisim in the same sentence. The boogey man. I will accept your point that sometimes things become PC (for the left or for the right) and can become too influencing but to use the words communism and nazism. Please.

A few nights ago, I was watching a movie made in the 1970’s and the story line is set in Los Angeles. I’m looking at the scenes shot outside and all of a sudden I realize that I am looking at the massive smog curtain that used to hang there. I know the smog isn’t completely gone but it’s better than it used to be because of environmental concerns and legislation.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-03-29 11:27:05

Actually AZ, our current corporate structure in this country IS very close to old Soviet style communism. They command most of the resources and answer to no one except the “inner party members” (The Feds not the stock holders. The only stockholders with power these days is the BODs) and even then, work very hard to create and maintain a patronage system (lobbyists).

They sure as hell don’t answer the people.

Ever wonder why our capitalist society sent our free market jobs to a communist country because of socialist unions?

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 11:48:01

AZ Librarian, welcome aboard! If you’re in Tucson, I’d love to visit your library.

With regards from another bibliophile…

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Comment by measton
2012-03-29 11:13:14

Where do you live 2b

I’m hoping to put up a chicken processing plant powered by a small nuclear reactor and I need neighbors that don’t sweat the environment.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 11:49:24

Hey, you forgot the big, open-air composting piles for the chicken waste! You can’t leave those out!

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Comment by measton
2012-03-29 12:46:52

Pits cost money, I just spread it out over the county roads just like nuclear waste

 
 
 
Comment by Elanor
2012-03-29 11:23:36

There is a phrase now - environmentalism is recycled communism and nazism.

There is also an adage known as Godwin’s Law. And you have just provided an example of it.

 
Comment by MrBubble
2012-03-29 12:18:53

“There is a phrase now - environmentalism is recycled communism and nazism.”

Yes, but it can only be heard in the ideological echo chamber that is your brain housing group. Full of sound and fury, but signifying nothing.

 
Comment by measton
2012-03-29 12:43:50

The other point I’d make is if you don’t believe in a scientists conclusion or the massive body of evidence from other scientists then produce data that refutes it and is strong enough to convince those on the other side. That’s the scientific process. What your side has delivered is as old as politics. If you can’t fight the truth obscure it and discredit the source.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-03-29 14:10:04

It is because science (especially earth sciences) has become so political and is used as a hammer by the left to try to indoctrinate people into believing that the earth is over 5,000 years old.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-29 09:30:19

“…The growing distrust of science is entirely focused in two groups—conservatives and people who frequently attend church,”

“Hey, what’s that flying up in the $ky dad?”
“An F-35 Raptor son …”
“Wow, that’s so awe$ome! Are they hard to fly?”

Eye’m in $hock & Awe!

Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-29 09:46:52

The growing distrust of science is entirely focused in two groups—conservatives and people who frequently attend church

About 15 years ago a hard core fundy relative told me the same thing “I don’t trust science”

My response was: “Yet you were willing to put your entire family on a jet airliner to fly out here.”

To his credit, he has changed his tune on science since then.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 11:50:46

Me? I would have burst into song. Y’know, something like “She Blinded Me With Science.”

Which would have annoyed those fundies no end. But that’s just me. I have a real talent for annoying fundies.

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Comment by MrBubble
2012-03-29 12:20:48

She’s tidied up and I can’t find anything!!!

 
 
Comment by exeter
2012-03-29 14:56:55

I had a similar conversation with a self proclaimed fundamentalist who said he believed every word of the bible, word for word. When I mentioned the fact that those who wrote bible believed the earth was flat and the sun rotated around the rest of the universe, his eyes glazed over.

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-29 15:31:40

To be fair, those were medieval interpretations. The Bible doesn’t explicitly say that the Earth is flat.

 
Comment by exeter
2012-03-29 15:47:13

I didn’t say it did. The context is those who wrote the NT lived in a time when they and their contemporaries believed the earth was flat. However, the OT and hebrew illustrations show they did believe the earth was supported on columns and that earth was fixed and immovable.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-29 16:36:31

The closest thing I’ve seen to that is the repeated expression “the four corners” of the Earth.”

I’ve never seen anything in the Bible referring to the Earth being supported by columns. Perhaps that was a Talmudic reference?

 
Comment by exeter
2012-03-29 17:12:30

Prolly Talmud.

 
 
 
 
Comment by drumminj
2012-03-29 10:46:09

define ‘conservative’.

Or are you just trying to stir the pot again?

 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-03-29 12:17:43

Conservatives, particularly those with college educations, have become dramatically more skeptical of science over the past four decades, according to a study published in the April issue of the American Sociological Review.

What science are they talking about? Social science or hard science?

The social sciences tend to offer pronouncements from authority as science, and rejections of those positions as either anti-intellectual or anti-science. Neither of which are accurate. Argument from authority is a common logical fallacy, but frequently found in the social sciences unfortunately.

Comment by oxide
2012-03-29 12:52:47

I found it interesting that the conservatives who distruted science had college degrees. In which field were those degrees? Certianly not science.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 13:13:39

In which field were those degrees? Certianly not science.

My guess is that the degrees are in business or some area of the liberal arts where the math and science requirements for graduation were minimal.

On a personal note, I remember my college science class days with fondness. The classes were THAT good. I still regret not taking more science, because the school really excelled at getting people excited about it.

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Comment by Overtaxed
2012-03-29 17:28:59

This is what makes me sad to be a conservative, and why I identify with people like Ron Paul (and yes, read Reason magazine). Science allows for open argument over the facts, arguments that are supported by research and a reasonably hypothesis. Conservatives prefer to take the most basic tenants of science and throw them right out the window (literal belief in the Bible is probably the most stark example).

It’s impossible to literally believe the Bible and also be a scientist. It’s hard to believe in God and be a scientist (but not impossible, because there’s no way to disprove that theory 100%). Conservatives (bible thumpers in particular) just choose to throw away 100’s of years of progress in the defense of their undying belief in a book written 1000’s of years ago.

The good news, for me anyway, is because I’m a social liberal and a fiscal conservative, I have equal problem with both parties. :)

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-29 17:47:09

I found it interesting that the conservatives who distruted science had college degrees. In which field were those degrees? Certianly not science.

I don’t consider myself a conservative (other than fiscal), and my degree is has “science” in the name (but it isn’t a science), and over my years in school I did take some of what would be called real science.

And yet I distrust a lot of what is called “science” today in the media. Because it’s not science. Real science, I put a fair bit of stock in.

Science follows the scientific method: hypothesize, experiment, analyze, generate a new hypothesis, repeat as necessary. And experiments have to be provably repeatable by independent labs.

Show me “climate science” that meets that bar. We’re being told we’re unreasonable if we don’t agree with conclusions from “sciences” that aren’t sciences.

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Comment by measton
2012-03-29 19:24:30

There is plenty of science in terms of climate research.
Hypothesizing that C02 can act as a green house gas and building models that demonstrate this. Hypothesizing that cores of ice and soil can show that CO2 levels were elevated at certain periods of time and showing that multiple samples and techniques confirm the same thing. Then analyzing fossils from these periods of time to suggest what the climate was like.

i believe 100% that CO2 is a greenhouse gas( by definition Greenhouse gases are those that can absorb and emit infrared radiation very reproducible science here). I think it very likely that pumping green house gases into the atmosphere will warm the earth (plenty of evidence from different methods and scientists that periods of high CO2 were warmer), I don’t discount the possibility that other factors may affect how this plays out (ie computer models aren’t perfect and often rely on assumption but certainly are more accurate than throwing darts blindly at a dart board or relying on faith or a gut feeling). I think it is fairly likely that this will overall have a detrimental effect for most but not all humans. We’ve built our infrastructure for certain weather patterns and if these change it will cause a lot of harm.

 
 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-03-29 15:15:11

Social science or hard science

As one with degrees in both I think the hard science was harder and social science made me think more.

Although social science has been abused and had been hijacked for awhile by the far-left, I would say understanding social science is every bit as important to humankind as the hard sciences.

This is where Objectivism and the “free-hand” theory fail IMO. They do not take into account the repeated lessons and warnings inherent in Sociology, Anthropology and History.

 
 
 
Comment by measton
2012-03-29 08:53:24

Best Buy misses fires 400 and shuts stores.

Sorry Best Buy - Didn’t you get the memo the consumer is dead. The FED gov and WS elite are busy driving in the last stake.

Comment by azdude
2012-03-29 08:59:23

people are shopping online too. They go in best buy and look and then go home and buy much cheaper even with shipping.

I’m sears is selling a lot of tv’s too.

I went into a kmart awhile back and there prices were insane. 25 bucks for a jug of motor oil i can buy at walmart for 14.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-29 09:21:17

Sears/KMart is finished. It’s only a matter of time until they follow Monkey Wards into history’s dustin.

Comment by b-hamster
2012-03-29 10:29:46

Thnk about the run of K-mart and Sears - they’ve been retail powerhouses for decades and it was only a matter of time before they fizzled.

K-mart’s stores are old and stale. Sears is probably doomed too, although I personally have made many purchases there in the past year, including a vacuum, camera, tools…

My first job was actually at a K-mart in the early eighties. Dollar Days and Cabbage Patch Kids.

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Comment by oxide
2012-03-29 12:49:46

I suspect that Sears will go down, but Big Box will buy out Craftsman. Craftsman quality will then go down the tubes as Big Box demands lower quality for the same price.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 13:14:42

Craftsman quality will then go down the tubes as Big Box demands lower quality for the same price.

That happened with Mongoose bicycles went they went into Walmart. Quality went way down and stayed down.

 
Comment by exeter
2012-03-29 14:52:52

I wouldn’t characterize anything craftsman as “quality”.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 15:31:57

I wouldn’t characterize anything craftsman as “quality”.

I’m one of those people who gets weak in the knees when a Snap-On Tools truck comes into view. Dang, those are some good tools.

 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-03-29 12:11:53

Yes we needed some basic plastic containers for sugar flour beans etc…and K mart had nothing but designer ones at $15-20 each….

Saw my mom last week, and stopped in walmart on the way home and whoa…real nice almost designer clear plastic with a secure top $6.57

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-03-29 09:00:03

Monty Python
Im A Lumberjack lyrics

I’m a homeowner and I’m OK
I sleep all night and I work all day
(He’s a homeowner and he’s OK
He sleeps all night and he works all day)

In my house is where I live you see
I`m upside down so I live for free
(In his house is where he lives you see
he`s upside down so he lives for free?)

I cut grass, I eat my lunch
I go to the lavat’ry
On Wednesdays I go shopping
And have buttered scones for tea
(He cuts grass?)
(He’s a homeowner?)

I bought my lovely house back in 03
Then I rfied twice with my equity
(he refied twice?)
(He’s a homeowner?)

I’m a homeowner and I’m OK
I sleep all night and I work all day
This house payment is too much for me
I spent all the cash from my equity
(He spent all the cash?)
(He’s a homeowner?)
(He lives for free?)

Comment by jeff saturday
2012-03-29 09:45:56

Lumberjack Song - Monty Python - YouTube
Aug 24, 2008 … The Lumberjack Song as performed by Monty Python from the TV Sketch Show ” Monty Python’s Flying Circus”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL7n5mEmXJo - 148k -

Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-03-29 12:17:49

Sorry dude. There’s just no topping the original…… :)

The Lumberjack Song (German Version)

http://tinyurl.com/6kzbju

 
 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-03-29 10:33:09

I thought you were going to go in the direction of:

“He works all night and he works all day”

…to feed the alligator, of course.

 
 
Comment by sfrenter
2012-03-29 09:09:33

G’morning HBB.

L’il update. The family is still looking to buy a house, but ever so slowly, and with great hesitation. Our landlord is placated for now, and I am more convinced that prices are going to drop down another notch here in our city by the bay. We’ve been waiting 10 years, so another 6-12 months won’t kill us.

Inventory is insanely low. Yes, there are some bidding wars going on, but only because savvy sellers price their house well below what anything else is going for, and then the house gets bid up to comps.

I have been tracking NODs and auctions, and there are a couple of homes that look great that were not bought at auction and are now bank-owned.

It’s fairly easy to find out which bank now has the house (assessor’s office website). But then what?

For instance, there’s a house I am interested in. 3/2 with view of entire city on a large lot.

01/30/2012 Sold $430,000
02/28/2006 Sold $729,000
06/16/2003 Sold $350,000

The sale in Jan 2012 was to the bank: Lehman/Aurora

So they have been sitting on this REO for 2 months. Do I need to know someone who knows someone??

There’s gotta be a way for a regular person to get at these REOs - esp. if you have an address and know which bank owns the house.

Am I just barking up a dead end? (I adore mixed metaphors, sorry)

Comment by jeff saturday
2012-03-29 09:16:33

“and I am more convinced that prices are going to drop down another notch here in our city by the bay”

Journey

When the price goes down in the city,
and the sun shines on the bay,
oh i want to be there,
in my city,
ohoh ohohoh ohoh

Comment by Carl Morris
2012-03-29 10:36:27

:-).

 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2012-03-29 09:12:02

Funny how no one posted this yet here.

Back in the Bush days - something like this would have had a 100 comments by now.

————————————

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Republican-run House has overwhelmingly rejected President Barack Obama’s $3.6 trillion budget for next year after a vote forced by GOP lawmakers to embarrass Democrats.

Democrats have defended Obama’s budget priorities but they largely voted “no” Wednesday night.

The vote was 414-0.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-03-29 09:37:15

The vote was 414-0.

“All aboard Amtrak!”

“Go America!”

:-)

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-29 09:40:50

Ok, so his proposed budget was doomed to failure as the majority GOP opposed it. Why did the Dems vote no? Were they opposed to concession the Prez made? I doubt it’s a vote of no confidence against Obama. If that where the case there would be someone opposing him for the nomination.

I think you’re making a mountain out of a molehill.

 
Comment by exeter
2012-03-29 10:53:46

“Back in the Bush days - something like this would have had a 100 comments by now.”

You don’t think that might have something to do with the fact that GOP owned govt. of 2000-2006 was elected on fiscal responsibility yet spent like drunk sailors do you?

Nice try Frooty.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-03-29 12:21:40

As I recall, the Republican version of the facts was that there was a “Surplus” of tax receipts, that need to be given back to the “rightful owners”…..

Which, in this case, ended up being the 1%ers.

 
 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-03-29 11:29:58

Are you the least bit familiar with parliamentary procedure?

 
 
Comment by AZ Librarian
2012-03-29 10:23:35

Some of you might find this interesting/amusing. The Census Bureau just released figures for county to county population moves 2005 - 2009. Top places influx/out-flow were Maricopa, AZ (south of Phoenix) and Los Angeles to Riverside, Los Angeles to San Bernardino. The census stats for what this blog was pointing out very early in the bubble.

http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/american_community_survey_acs/cb12-51.html

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 11:55:23

Tom Zoellner’s recent book, A Safeway in Arizona, devotes quite a bit of verbiage to Maricopa, AZ. One of the people he interviewed described Maricopa as “slit your throat and wrists boring.”

He also spent time in the Frys supermarket, which is one of the social hotbeds of the community. One of the guys working there said that if it wasn’t for the interaction he enjoyed at Frys, he would have ditched Maricopa a long time ago.

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2012-03-29 10:25:32

Is anyone watching the Supreme Court hearings on the Health Care Bill that is being challenged by 26 States right now ?

The mandate that people have to purchase health insurance is being challenged of course .

The way I look at it is that is was a price fixing monopoly anyway that
they didn’t attack that to begin with ,so they never corrected the corruption of that industry to begin with . The drug industry controls
the medical industry anyway ,and its has corrupted into harming the public now anyway ,along with being price fixing expensive . The private insurance companies want to make to much profit ,as well as the AMA . The cash cow of Medicare was abused and we can no longer afford those costs ,so why isn’t the racket of that industry seen for what it is .

Instead the arguement is “Should people be mandated into purchasing
the price fixing products of a corrupted industry that is breaking the backs of the American people “, and in large part this was why many people could not afford health care or they were dropped .

Than if you add that Employers are dropping covering people ,no doubt because its become to expensive ,and it always was a employer sponsered program to begin with ,its cracking under the weight of
not being sustainable .

Comment by 2banana
2012-03-29 10:56:30

its cracking under the weight of not being sustainable.

It is cracking under the weight of government intervention.

Just like housing

Just like college

Just like…

 
Comment by measton
2012-03-29 11:10:25

The only way they went after industry was
1. They have to insure everyone and I believe
2. They capped the amount of profit they can take.

The insurance companies were furious that they wanted to capy non medical ependatures and profits to 20%, ie they currently take more than 20cents of every insurance dollar and spend it on manpower, management, advertising. That’s a MASSIVE sum of money. That’s how United health can afford to pay those 100 million plus CEO packages.

 
Comment by Steve J
2012-03-29 13:12:27

Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance -In 1798

In July of 1798, Congress passed – and President John Adams signed - “An Act for the Relief of Sick and Disabled Seamen.” The law authorized the creation of a government operated marine hospital service and mandated that privately employed sailors be required to purchase health care insurance.

Keep in mind that the 5th Congress did not really need to struggle over the intentions of the drafters of the Constitutions in creating this Act as many of its members were the drafters of the Constitution.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/01/17/congress-passes-socialized-medicine-and-mandates-health-insurance-in-1798/

Comment by measton
2012-03-29 14:22:33

That’s funny.

 
Comment by BetterRenter
2012-03-29 17:44:31

Steve J, I’m afraid that you need to learn to read. Or think.

The article describes exactly what the federal government via the Congress has always had the Constitutional power to do: TAX AND PROVIDE.

“[I]t created the Marine Hospital Service, a series of hospitals built and operated by the federal government to treat injured and ailing privately employed sailors. This government provided healthcare service was to be paid for by a mandatory tax on the maritime sailors (a little more than 1% of a sailor’s wages), the same to be withheld from a sailor’s pay and turned over to the government by the ship’s owner.”

Obamacare’s “individual mandate” is not a TAX AND PROVIDE thing. It tries to force you to purchase a private service. The U.S. Congress legally doesn’t have that power, and the “Act for The Relief of Sick and Disabled Seamen” of 1798 isn’t an example of trying to use that unconstitutional power.

You’re not the only person who is apparently incapable of understanding the topic. The article’s author is, too:

“While I’m sure a number of readers are scratching their heads in the effort to find the distinction between the circumstances of 1798 and today, I think you’ll find it difficult. Yes, the law at that time required only merchant sailors to purchase health care coverage.”

This is called “cognitive dissonance”. The facts are clear (it’s a TAX, not a private insurance premium, and the GOVERNMENT provides the service and also funds it), but the author just writes up something fictional instead in order to support his pre-determined conclusion. And this is a guy writing for Forbes. Sheesh. Corruption and incompetence are everywhere.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-29 17:54:15

The law authorized the creation of a government operated marine hospital service and mandated that privately employed sailors be required to purchase health care insurance.

Remind me: how much sailing is typically done in INTRA-state commerce, again?

In INTER-state commerce, the Federal Government definitely has power to regulate, including the ability to require someone participating in it to carry insurance.

 
 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-03-29 11:06:51

“Beginning in April, visitors to NYTimes.com will have access to 10 free articles per month instead of 20.”

Can you refer to inflationary pressures when there is no exchange of money?

Oh wait, I just posted about all the spybots we allow to track us after visiting various websites. How much do they collect from scooping and selling info from every visitor and why are they still pressuring us for more? I suppose this will cut down on our ability to scan the web. (Perhaps that’s the actual intention?)

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-03-29 12:48:40

The cure:

FireFox
Ghostery add-on
Stop Script Add-on
No Track add-on
Flash Block Add on

Quadruples the speed of page load. You can also allow what you want through in case you want to support someone’s page count and ad read.

Comment by rms
2012-03-29 22:14:19

The cure:

FireFox Menu: Tools | Start Private Browsing

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-29 11:32:22

Is oil falling for political reasons, or is there some fundamental economic change driving down the price?

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-03-29 12:49:45

It is? Gasoline has gone up every day here for the last 2 weeks.

 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-29 11:51:38

Hey polly, here’s a securities question for you:

I was looking at a house near my rental that is about to hit the 3-years post-foreclosure mark, and has still not been listed for sale. Unreal…

Anyway, the owner of record is “Lehman XS Trust Series 2005-5N”. So I did a little searching online, and looked at their SEC filings.

The most recent are from 2006. Their 10-K is a riot of laughs—pretty much every item says “Not Applicable.” Financial Stmts? Not Applicable. :-)

Their 8-K is similarly content-free. And in late 2006, they filed a “15-15D” saying that they don’t think they need to file anymore.

They did say in that form that there are only “Seventy Eight (78)” holders of record—I’m guessing that the ownership was consolidated to such an extent that they no longer meet the standards for having to file publicly. But they don’t really say much of anything other than that one factoid.

Is there any way to find out more information about who the benficial owners of a trust are?

I’m really curious about who would be sitting on a property for three years without making any attempt at disposing of it, and why.

Thanks for any tips…

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 12:00:51

I’m really curious about who would be sitting on a property for three years without making any attempt at disposing of it, and why.

My money is on a really dumb bank that doesn’t understand that empty homes deteriorate rapidly.

Comment by sfrenter
2012-03-29 12:31:19

I’m really curious about who would be sitting on a property for three years without making any attempt at disposing of it, and why.

My money is on a really dumb bank that doesn’t understand that empty homes deteriorate rapidly.

Is there any way to get at these houses?

I just drove by a house we are interested in and spoke with the neighbors. They want someone to buy it, too.

And yet, there it sits.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-29 15:27:39

Is there any way to get at these houses?

How does the saying go? “It’s not what you know, it’s who you know.”

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 15:33:26

From a book of wise sayings that I saw in a church gift shop: Who you know gets you there. What you know keeps you there.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-29 16:32:23

For a real job, that is true. For getting dibs at good repos at fair prices … not so much.

 
 
 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-03-29 14:26:49

My money is on a really dumb bank that doesn’t understand that empty homes deteriorate rapidly.

Or a smart bank that does understand how badly it will affect the books if they have to admit to the loss.

 
 
Comment by Real Estate Refugee
2012-03-29 17:50:16

Perhaps find a savvy real estate attorney in your area? Dig up as much information as you can and pay for a meeting. The attorney might be able to point you in the right direction.

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2012-03-29 12:34:13

Younger generations shafted.

http://www.esquire.com/features/young-people-in-the-recession-0412#ixzz1qWgDYvmb

“David Frum, former George W. Bush speechwriter, had the guts to acknowledge that the Tea Party’s combination of expensive entitlement programs and tax cuts is something entirely different from a traditional political program: ‘This isn’t conservatism: It’s a going-out-of-business sale for the Baby Boom generation.’ The economic motive is growing ever more naked, and has nothing to do with any principle that could be articulated by Goldwater or Reagan, or indeed with any principle at all. The political imperative is to preserve the economic cloak of unreality that the Boomers have wrapped themselves in.”

“Democrats may not be actively hostile to the interests of young voters, but they are too scared and weak to speak up for them.”

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-03-29 12:52:11

Oh please, do you have any idea how many “boomers” lost their life savings, decent paying jobs and retirement from this last crash?

Boomer cashing?

Wall St cashing out.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 13:17:29

Thanks to this-here HBB, I moved the bulk of my long-term money out of stocks back in ‘08. And, being of late 1950s vintage, I guess that puts me in the dreaded Boomer category.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-03-29 14:19:32

I’m one of those boomers who never had stocks to lose, almost had a pension, lost many decent jobs over the last 30 years because of the recessionS and the destruction of consumer rights and employment laws and will probably have to work until I drop dead.

And there are millions just like me.

So cry me a river “younger generations”.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-03-29 18:02:00

Set your standard of living below what you could (e.g. what you earn), and you will always have something to save.

Yes, it’s possible at any income level above actual starvation; I did it in grad school when I was making $12K/yr. I think my savings rate was around 8% that first year. Luxuries were few and far between.


“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen pounds nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.”

 
 
Comment by rms
2012-03-29 22:09:59

Thanks to this-here HBB, I moved the bulk of my long-term money out of stocks back in ‘08.

I’ve never had the stomach for stocks, and the interest rates the last few years have crippled bonds.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-03-29 14:17:20

More bleating about Lazy Americans:

http://tinyurl.com/bpnal79

In which, our fearless small businessmen are:

-A service supplying tutors in NYC paying contractors $25-$50/hour ($10-$30/hour after taxes) because “we do not want to charge our customers more”

-A small manufacturer in Manitowoc offering the “competitive wage” of $8.50-9.50/hour.

-A credit card processor who says “training costs money” Duh…..

-A financial services company for the US government, who needs people with financial expertise and the ability to pass a security clearance. (These people don’t grow on trees). Starting pay? Not mentioned. But you can probably guess

-A guy selling cellphones (mall kiosks), bitching about Lazy Americans who aren’t as driven to work for slave wages like the serfs in the old country.

When the economy gets rolling again, the payback will be a bi#ch.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-03-29 14:32:35

When the economy gets rolling again, the payback will be a bi#ch.

And those companies (like the ones featured in the linked article) will get the payback they so richly deserve. Serves ‘em right, I say.

Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-29 15:26:38

And those companies (like the ones featured in the linked article) will get the payback they so richly deserve. Serves ‘em right, I say.

This is my problem with liberals who have no idea what it takes to run a company profitably… I suppose you think every one of these companies should just raise compensation for all their workers, even if competition and margin compression bankrupts them and the jobs are low end?

Better yet, should the government intervene and raise wages for the poor employees/job prospectors at the expense of the businesses? A business that the founders, I’m sure, risked their own time, labor, and capital to start and run?

A Republican sees a business and thinks “Wealth Creation”… a Democrat sees a business and thinks “Wealth Redistribution”.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-29 16:30:42

Oh please.

How about a Republican sees “An opportunity to pay his employees even less, while pushing social costs off onto taxpayers and pocketing the difference for himself.”

If small business owners have an enemy, it’s big biz. It wasn’t “redistribution” that put Penner’s Appliance and Furniture out of business in my little burg, after being around for decades. It was Best Buy and big box furniture stores.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-03-29 17:18:13

If small business owners have an enemy, it’s big biz. It wasn’t “redistribution” that put Penner’s Appliance and Furniture out of business in my little burg, after being around for decades. It was Best Buy and big box furniture stores.

This is where their eyes glaze over, they get all confused and then they bark “Freedom“!

 
Comment by exeter
2012-03-29 18:31:37

“This is where their eyes glaze over, they get all confused and then they bark “Freedom“!”

There it is.

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-29 23:49:28

Based on my own experience, the enemy is both increasing labor costs and larger, better funded competitors. It’s a balancing act until the business is large enough to acquire/be acquired… Grow or die is the name of the game, has been for some time.

Life isn’t fair… Get over it. You want higher wages? Add some value or go out and start your own business and see how far that gets you.

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-03-29 17:15:23

This is my problem with liberals who have no idea what it takes to run a company profitably…

I ran one and paid my employees way more than those clueless clowns you so admire.

A Republican sees a business and thinks “Wealth Creation”… a Democrat sees a business and thinks “Wealth Redistribution”.

Can you think much for yourself or do you read from the script?

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Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-29 23:34:23

I admire the fact that they at least got off their butt and started a business, which is more than you can say about most Americans. And those “clueless clowns” are trying to expand, which is good for the economy and good for people who need jobs, but keep disparaging them…

The last dying gasp of a failed argument: personal attack.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-03-30 08:46:16

The last dying gasp of a failed argument: personal attack Worn Rush Limbaugh Talking Points.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-29 15:07:45

Elsewhere in the world, workers have a survival mentality… In this country, we give public assistance and unemployment. I spend 90% of my time interviewing, and half the people who are scheduled never even show up.

I agree with the people interviewed in the article… there are many lazy, entitled people in this country. Those entitled will do what is economically best for them: collect UE if there is no incentive (i.e. higher pay) to work. My parents see it at their employer all the time.

Company lays off 90% of the staff every winter, workers collect UE until the business picks up in the spring:
ex. Boss “I need you to come back to work on Mar 15.”
Employee “Nah, I don’t want to come back that early. How about I start Apr 1?”
Boss “Fine, whatever.”

Reality is a [female dog in heat]… “Welcome to the desert of the real.”

Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-29 15:25:46

That doesn’t make any sense. UE bennies are a fraction of lost wages and have a cap. If I lost my job I certainly wouldn’t be able to cruise by on the $490 a week I would get.

Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-29 15:32:05

That doesn’t make any sense.

Sure it does… those collecting view it as paid vacation, and many prefer to wait out cold/wet weather as long as they can (the work is primarily outside). Happens every year at this place… think “sit on the couch and collect $300/wk” vs. “work outside at back breaking work for $500/wk”.

BTW, I agree with you as I couldn’t coast on the max UE either. My work ethic and personal economics have always dictated I find gainful employment asap.

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-03-29 16:23:26

Hmm… but the lucky duckies already can’t get by on their wages. How will pay the rent if they lose 40% of their income?

My point is that I’ve never met anyone who just kicked back and coasted on their UE. And most Lucky Duckies I know are scrambling to make ends meet (and failing)

The only demographic I can think of that could do that is the “living in mom n dad’s basement” demographic.

 
Comment by exeter
2012-03-29 16:28:29

My work ethic and personal economics have always dictated I find gainful employment asap.

Would you like a badge, ribbon or cookie?

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-03-29 20:17:33

Bingo In Colorado… Think 20’somethings who would rather sit home and get paid than work hard earning a day’s wage.

Exeter, I already have a badge (see sheepdog above). Thanks anyway. Might want to dull the edge on that sarcasm… That’s some sharp stuff.

 
 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-03-29 17:20:59

“Welcome to the desert of the real.” Fidel Castro 1959?

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2012-03-29 17:45:17

Who do I see about being a whistle blower on 12 million liars? I guess it not illegal if lenders don`t check up on applicants’ information, right Lynn.

•6 money habits that are illegal

#4 Lying on a home loan application

Homebuyers and homeowners who want to refinance may be tempted to inflate their income or hide some of their debts to better their chances of receiving a “yes” from the lender. But lying on a loan application is fraud, and lenders do check up on applicants’ information, Kaplan says.

“You should always be honest,” she says. “We all go through difficult financial periods, and it’s tempting to want to fudge. But if you get caught, it’s going to lead to huge headaches, and you will sleep better at night knowing that you aren’t living with a lie.”

http://www.savvysugar.com/Illegal-Money-Habits-21426658 - 122k

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-03-29 23:51:04

I like the image of using a battering ram to knock down the walls at Megabank, Inc.

WRITING ON THE WALL
Updated March 29, 2012, 12:04 a.m. ET

It Takes a Village to Battle a Bank

By DAVID WEIDNER

The movement to use local government funds as a battering ram against big banks has gained momentum since the start of the year. Some examples:

—On March 19, homeowners facing foreclosure petitioned Brockton, Mass., to move its money out of Bank of America Corp., (BAC -2.26%) J.P. Morgan Chase (JPM -1.30% & Co.), and other big banks that activists contend refuse to negotiate fair loan modifications. Banks have said those accusations are groundless.

—On Feb. 29, the Los Angeles City Council directed the city attorney to draft an ordinance that would gather foreclosure and small-business-lending data on banks that do business with the city.

—Last month, Kansas City, Mo., officials passed a resolution that directs the city manager to select banks that are responsive to the community’s needs and don’t engage in predatory lending.

—In New York City, legislation has been introduced that would require banks to submit a community reinvestment plan and progress reports that would be used by the city’s banking commission to rate banks that want to hold city deposits.

Similar actions are under way in Austin, Texas; Boston; Chicago; Minneapolis; San Jose, Calif., and Portland, Ore. San Francisco Supervisor John Avalos has stepped up his campaign to start a municipal bank, introducing a resolution last week.

Together, the actions suggest that even though Occupy movements across the U.S. dropped from the headlines like a pup tent whacked by a police baton, anti-big-bank activists are getting traction with some local politicians.

In contrast, Washington is compromised by big dollars thrown around by the bank lobby. Lobbyists for the banks spent $472 million in 2011, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a research group.

Near the top of the list: Goldman Sachs Group Inc., (GS -2.06%) Bank of America, J.P. Morgan and their employees, according to the latest release by the Federal Election Commission.

 
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