It looks like all the FBs in my life are getting brand new houses and short-selling the house that made them an FB.
My wife’s cousin — the one who bought for $200k in Odessa and did an SS for $68 just bought in Land ‘O Lakes for $139k (FBs paid $290k). I’m not mad at my wife’s cousin, they’re gaming the system and acting predictably (taking the best position for themselves), but seriously, how can you lose $132k of OPM and then go out and get $139k of OPM?
When my wife brought it up, I said, “it’ll be interesting to see if they try to walk away again in five years.”
Somewhat related question: Question (repost): If a bank assigns a mortgage to a person and not another bank, does that mean the bank is giving them the house?
“My wife’s cousin — the one who bought for $200k in Odessa and did an SS for $68 just bought in Land ‘O Lakes for $139k (FBs paid $290k).”
Heads I win tails you lose.
If your wife’s cousin keeps flippin the coin it`s bound to come up heads sooner or later. Maybe after he short sells the Land ‘O Lakes house that he just bought for $139k at $68k he can buy a house for $10k and sell it in the year 2050 for $15k. Eventually that blind squirrel will find an acorn, it`s just a question of how much it will cost everyone else until he does.
how can you lose $132k of OPM and then go out and get $139k of OPM?
This is the direct effect of the federal government trying to ensure that lending does not tighten, as normal supply-and-demand economics would suggest that it should.
I wanted to get this post in early, because when oxide revealed she is buying/has bought a house, I can’t help but note that the reaction to this announcement was quite a bit different than when I mentioned my recent house purchase about 2 weeks ago on this board.
Is the different reaction because I’ve been a lurker and oxide has been posting here a long time? Like oxide, I live in Maryland and looked long and hard before buying. Because I think both of us cite the same reasons for purchasing a house:
- Stable, long term job (2 jobs in the case of myself and my wife)
- Proximity to this job (saves time and money otherwise spent commuting) and also to family
- PITI for single family house mortgage is less than renting a typical midscale apartment in the area (for us about $300 less; oxide says it’s 500 less for her)
- The area is very congested in terms of traffic and density of jobs/residents, so adding 5-10 miles to a commute can mean losing an hour of your day each day
- Buying significantly below peak pricing (50% off for us, 40% for oxide)
- Not too concerned about what the property is “worth” at any given time because the house’s primary value is as a solution to a basic need
- House is big enough with enough land and the features we want. I’ve mentioned that my wife and I spent 1/3 of what we could “afford”, but had no interest in a bigger “fancier” McMansion or a tricked out-townhouse with a bunch of features we don’t want.
- Ability to configure the house/yard/garage in ways that enhance daily living/hobbies/family time. Gardening is a hobby of mine and it’s pretty unlikely able to see my garden develop over the years on some rental property. Ditto for all the projects going on in my garage. And I wouldn’t want to move this stuff 5 or 10 times over the (expected) 50 yrs I have left to live. And it would be absurd to make all the upgrades and modifications for a rental house.
-. Really liking the neighborhood you’re in. Where I live, SFHs are rare and almost never available for rent. And the few I know of rent for 20% more than my PITI (1500, whereas my PITI is 1250). Even if prices dropped another 50% in Pikesville or Ellicott City, I am not interested in living there or any other “nicer” place that is more dependent on longer car trips and is further from my job.
- Healthy amount of skepticism about buying a house. Like oxide, I don’t think it’s right for everyone, nor is it “better” or even a “good investment”. It’s simply a way to check off the “shelter” box that is right for us for reasons 1-10 above. When I was looking for a house, I was never in a rush and was a massive pain to our RE agent because of what I’ve learned from HBB and what I’ve seen going to college and law school during the bubble and its aftermath… learning one thing and then the other… and knowing never to assume RE is an investment.
I realize that’s a bit of a jumbled list, sorry I didn’t put a lot of thought into organizing it. Basically, as much as I share HBB’s point of view that the government is actively propping up property prices and prices should eventually fall some more, I’m not that worried about it because my self-esteem and larger financial life are not tied to the “value” of the house I own. Like oxide, my wife and I looked at tons of houses and then lowballed and played hardball on the few worthy houses we saw. There comes a point where you drive the hardest bargain you can, get a house you like at a price that is very affordable, and it doesn’t matter what zillow says in 5 years because the alternative is paying much more to rent one of the few well-located SFHs or else paying money to a landlord so you can live next to loud, rude neighbors (often section 8).
Sorry for the long post. Just wanted to detail why I find it weird that people gave oxide a hard time.
“Is the different reaction because I’ve been a lurker and Oxide has been posting here a long time?”
Probably. Social cliques build up over time and members of the cliques tend to suppport each other. It’s a human condition thingy.
These cliques not only support their own members they also attack members of other cliques. Again, a human condition thingy: Think in terms of turf - not only physical turf but abstract forms of turf (i.e. ideas, political stances, etc.).
Look around a bit and you will see this phenom is everywere.
Yes, it was that they gave oxide a MUCH harder time, even though her reasons seem similar to mine and her reasons are well documented. She had people laughing and practically cheering for schadenfreude, whereas people tended to agree with my reasons.
The thing is… my reasons and her reasons are pretty similar. Perhaps our ages are different so our time horizons are different. For us, our life expectancies would say that my wife and I should have 50 yrs to live. That’s the biggest difference I can see.
Free speech maybe? I wouldn’t expect anyone here to not speak they’re mind.
Here’s what I’ve noticed about people and buying houses. When someone gets it in their head to buy a house, and they have the cash or can get a loan, they almost always end up with a house. Man, the reasoning can be far and wide, but it doesn’t seem to matter, once they are hooked, that’s it.
But for speaking ones mind on it, here’s a personal experience; I’ve a friend I’ve mentioned before that qualified for $300k on a VA loan about 2 years ago. His parents had been telling him to buy something, and once he was pre-approved for the loan, there was no stopping him. He knows about this blog but I never said, it was a good idea or not. He bought a foreclosure, around 30k less than the rest for sale on the street. Paid something like 280k, I’m not sure. It’s gone down in the year and a half to where he’s probably underwater, since he put zero down. He tells me this week he’s got buyers remorse.
There’s a lot of intangibles; it’s not just rents versus prices or statistics of foreclosures. The biggest weight when I bought some land years ago was the debt, the immobility. Some people value these things differently, so I’m not gonna tell even my friends what I think. They are grown up and can live with or boast about the consequences. It’s not gonna change a thing about my life.
But on the HBB, don’t expect a round of polite applause every time someone buys a house. This is a free speech zone, and most of us like it that way.
House lust
Interview by Tess Vigeland
Marketplace Money for Friday, April 6, 2012
Norumbega Park: A Novel
Author: Anthony Giardina
Publisher: Farrar, Straus and Giroux (2012)
Binding: Hardcover, 336 pages
Tess Vigeland: We’re about five years into the housing bust, and it’s safe to say home ownership has lost a bit of its luster. I’m not sure we know at this point where it fits in the American Dream anymore. But it still holds a place in the American novel. And it’s one of the main characters in “Norumbega Park,” new book from author Anthony Giardina. The story takes place in 1969 New England. The plot involves Richie Palumbo and his pursuit of this one house he spots while on an outing. It quickly becomes “THE HOUSE,” and the novel follows his obsession with owning it — no matter the cost.
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He bought a foreclosure, around 30k less than the rest for sale on the street. Paid something like 280k, I’m not sure. It’s gone down in the year and a half to where he’s probably underwater, since he put zero down. He tells me this week he’s got buyers remorse.
+1 Going underwater changes everything.
I have a number of offices spread over a 200-mi radius that I visit four or five times a year, and people there know my housing feelings being a California refugee. Once someone goes underwater that cheery attitude does such a hard about-face that you can almost see ‘em age faster than others around them.
A house with a mortgage is an almost insurmountable anchor for many who lose their jobs and need to find work to feed the beast. A 30 year fixed may have been a great idea for Mr. 1950’s and his stay-at-home wife, but it is not a great plan these days.
I know a guy who just bought a house last year after waiting out the bubble. About two months after the purchase, his employer started the push to get rid of him. He is still employed, but miserable. The real problem is that he will need to move to find work in his field. His house does not work well for that plan. He’s 43 and was counting on retiring with the company. They don’t share the same sentiment.
A house with a mortgage is an almost insurmountable anchor for many who lose their jobs and need to find work to feed the beast. A 30 year fixed may have been a great idea for Mr. 1950’s and his stay-at-home wife, but it is not a great plan these days.
Likely a 10 year fixed. Otherwise I agree completely.
I’d just like to point out that your post here (listing all the reasons you bought/why you thought it was a good idea) was a heck of a lot longer than the orignal one you made (as far as I can remember). We all know about oxide’s situation in terms of work, location, rent history/frustrations, and thought process on deciding to buy. Just because you think your situation is similar to someone else’s doesn’t mean that anyone else knows that your situations are similar.
I get this issue all the time at work. People think their organizations qualify for a particular treatment, but they didn’t bother to write it down in the documentation they send in.
Joe,
The few acerbic responses to Oxy seemed far to personal in nature for my taste. Everybody wants to be right and nobody wants to be wrong. The thing is, there is no one right answer. What works for me might not work for you.
Oxy has taken a large wildcard out of her life. I can say that for me personally, casting my housing fortunes to the 4 winds of heaven (courtesy of the Money Changers) causes a level of background anxiety that I don’t need. Yes, home prices overall will most likely continue to fall. BUT, what about a scenario where inflation becomes a severe problem. People become nervous about the value of their money (easy Darrell ). After all FIAT is just a confidence game. The rush for hard assets becomes a panic. Prices go significantly higher. Not value, just the amount of monopoly money we have to shovel in to consummate the deal. You might be seeing glimpses of this with the newly wealthy chinese ’snapping up’ very expensive homes here?
The bottom line is we are a virtual family here. Yes we have a weird uncle or three. Yes we have vastly different viewpoints. But I consider each and everyone of you people as friends. As I do Oxy. That is why I am happy for her. I can almost guarantee you she is in a much better place mentally, having turned an unknown into a known.
I bought about 2 years ago because, in my estimation, the likelyhood of high/runaway inflation was as high as the likelyhood of further depreciation on the property that I was looking to purchase. Inflation has not happened, but at the same time, the property hasn’t changed much in value. But, for me, the decision was weighing the risk of further depreciation against the risk of higher inflation. IMHO, inflation is more likely, which is what pushed me to buy.
Overtaxed
Yep, we toyed with the inflation vs. deflation argument ourselves in relation to a housing purchase, and decided that was just one data point. The others were low inventory below $450K (east Ventura County), and few decent properties to chose from, and paying multiple rents. When the home we just offered on came down $40K, we decided to go look at it. The new windows, french doors, exterior and roof work, etc…, and our multiple rent situation
screams go for it. We might get it, may not, but paying out all this money is a bad scene. We’re getting older.
Multiple data points are an individual decision. One size doesn’t fit all.
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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-04-07 09:50:39
and our multiple rent situation
Awaiting, why is that again?
Comment by Awaiting
2012-04-07 16:23:33
We came out of 4,000 sq ft with the intention of paying cash for a 2,000 st ft one-story. Had to rent apt, storage,office. Been trapped for years
Paying cash our month nut will be $475-taxes and insurance.
“IMHO, inflation is more likely, which is what pushed me to buy.”
With all the slack capacity in both the labor force and the capital stock, not only in the U.S. but in every other corner of the economically developed world, where exactly do you expect those inflationary pressures to originate?
I think if inflation happens, it will show up in agricultural areas and coast properties. This leaves Arizona out mostly, particularly with its fifteen years of drought. If I had $3,000,000 to buy one house with, first I would have a net worth many times that amou t, and second, I would own farmland in central California and ocean view home in Big Sur.
Do you forecast much through the lens of the rear-view mirror?
Cost of farmland continues to rise
File/The State Journal-Register
According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, Illinois has some of the most valuable farmland in the Midwest.
By Elaine Spencer
Correspondent
Posted Mar 28, 2012 @ 03:31 PM
In recent years, about the only thing growing faster than the corn on Illinois farmland has been its price.
The average price of Illinois farmland has increased more than tenfold in the last four decades, from $500 an acre in 1970 to $5,800 an acre in 2011.
Nearly half of that increase has occurred since 2004, when the average Illinois farmland price was slightly more than $2,500 an acre. And the trend appears to be continuing.
According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, Illinois farm real estate (land plus buildings) and cropland commanded the highest prices per acre in the Midwest last year. Illinois also experienced the second largest one-year jump in farm prices from 2010 to 2011 (16.3 percent).
No bubble expected
Could the price rise be a “bubble” about to burst like the inflation of home prices in the mid-2000s? At least one central Illinois expert doesn’t foresee this happening.
“I don’t think anyone who’s looked at it (farm price trends) carefully sees evidence of a bubble,” said Dr. Bruce Sherrick, director of the National Center for Farm and Rural Business Finance at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign.
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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-04-07 12:38:00
“I don’t think anyone who’s looked at it (farm price trends) carefully sees evidence of a bubble,” said Dr. Bruce Sherrick
Easy way to tell: what is the earnings-yield currently on an acre of farmland?
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-04-07 12:52:50
Yes prime same with house can you pay your bills and make a few $$ with a renter in it. My father taught us as kids, but then he was a bricklayer…and wound up being an accidental landlord of 7 apartments because his relatives died and he lived the closest to the 3 partially inherited houses.
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-04-07 14:09:50
Yeah, partly through a rear view mirror and partly through my Dad’s experience on his grandfather’s farm during the GD. Growing your own food works well both during depressions and inflation.
Different topic, this weekend I am staying at my temporary digs in L.A. The parking situation is almost desperation. Last night when I returned from work I saw a note on the door. Management is offering to pay $222 per referral that ends up with a renter (after 30 days). I see about twenty empty assigned spaces in the upper level garage in the wee hours of the morning when walking that way to my car parked on the next street south. I think their parking policy encouraged people to leave. Studio renters cannot use the garage. I got home late, at eight Wednesday night from work and had to park closer to the hospital, which is down the next block.
So I use the day off to do my errands early and grab street side parking when I am all done. Banking, haircut, Trader Joe’s, then Whole Foods.
If I want to go out in the evening it has to be either walkable (and my area is highly walkable) or I take a cab.
“Growing your own food works well both during depressions and inflation.”
As the son of parents who grew up during the Great Depression in Midwest farming communities, I’m not going to argue with you on this point.
However, I did want to clarify that farm prices are already quite bubbly, questioning their viability as an inflation hedge, at least if purchased at current valuations.
joesmith
I wasn’t aware of that thread, but CONGRATS on your home purchase. Health & Happiness, sprinkle Happy Memories on top.
We just put in an offer last night ourselves. Pricey but clean and well maintained, new windows, and private yard. It’s been a yr since we found anything to offer on.
Joe,
We’re a cash & close. We are paying multiple rents right now, so buying now is the lesser of the two evils. No doubt housing will continue to slowly leak (as it should) but at least will be paying for making the house nice vs. paying a landlord for a dump.
I have no problem with Oxy’s purchase. I have come close several times, and REALLY close once.
My only point is this: you have to think about how you’ll feel in five years. It will come quick. Drummin is right, too. Rentin’ ain’t easy…
If you say, “I don’t care if my house loses $75k…” you’re making that statement under today’s conditions. I don’t think today’s conditions will hold in 3-5 years.
Disclosure: I have no choice as I have no cash, so I continue to rent.
Muggy, my suspicion is that desireable housing is bottoming out. Undesireable housing — trashed rentals, condos, poorly bubble built new attached product with a long commute — will continue to fall and bring down the average. But good housing is close to bottom.
However, I don’t anticipate housing rising much either. I suspect good housing will bounce along the bottom, with a few fresh gems occasionally coming on the market. I hope that’s what you get, in whatever state you land.
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Comment by Muggy
2012-04-07 12:00:21
“Muggy, my suspicion is that desireable housing is bottoming out.”
I felt this way in 2006, 2008, 2010, and now in 2012, which is why I was recently stressing over my lease renewal.
“I hope that’s what you get, in whatever state you land.”
Thanks, me too. I’m still targeting Delaware in, say, 3-4 years.
“Muggy, my suspicion is that desireable housing is bottoming out.”
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2012-04-06 05:40:20
Creating a false sense of urgency is the oldest sales technique ever.
In my life, I’ve maybe come across two occasions where there was an urgency to “buy”. However, these were real because nobody was pressuring me to buy.
Both were tickets to shows. One for an opera, and one for a play. And yes! There were sold out afterwards.
Everything else? It can wait a month. I’ve never seen a store run out of sofa’s. Houses too.
“Both were tickets to shows. … There were sold out afterwards.”
This reminds me of one of the advantages of living in a (relative) cultural wasteland like SD. One of my sons and I went to hear Gil Shaham play with the SD Symphony Orchestra last year. We showed up at the box office five minutes before downbeat, when someone standing nearby handed us second-row tickets they couldn’t use, gratis.
I assume this sort of thing doesn’t happen too often in NYC?
It’s fairly standard practice at the opera to see people standing around seeing if someone will sell them an extra ticket.
I’ve given a ticket away when a friend fell ill. Stuff happens but if you want to see something at all cost then there’s only one way to guarantee that outcome.
Sure it was luck, but my point was that such luck is more likely to occur in a cultural wasteland populated by wealthy people than in a cultural Mecca populated by wealthy people.
Comment by Pete
2012-04-07 16:50:08
“such luck is more likely to occur in a cultural wasteland populated by wealthy people than in a cultural Mecca populated by wealthy people.”
I would think that people in the cultural wasteland would be the more pissed off of the groups, therefore less likely to give the ticket away. I work in the transportation “industry”. Almost without fail, cultured folks = nice gratuity.
Another consideration: Oxide (and I) are in the DC metro area. With the federal government’s presence here, it is unlikely that in 5 years ANY property is going to have lost $75k. Her situation, because of the location, is unique.
“Oxide (and I) are in the DC metro area. With the federal government’s presence here, it is unlikely that in 5 years ANY property is going to have lost $75k.”
How is the future outlook for federal government employment?
What do Republican presidents Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II have in common that Obama doesn’t? Total government grew under those presidents after they faced recessions. By contrast, federal, state, and local government has declined by more than half a million workers in the last three years. Big government ain’t what it used to be.
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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-04-07 12:40:11
By contrast, federal, state, and local government has declined by more than half a million workers in the last three years.
My original post contained characters that indicated “contractors ‘are not equal to’ workers” but they got removed from my post.
I think you got my point none the less. Though the question was rhetorical the answer is correct enough to make the question not very useful.
Even if you compared dollars spent rather than the number of workers [employees] vs contractors the answer would be highly skewed because contractors may cover various expenses and cost of sales [including materials] that wouldn’t be part of the employee compensation.
“Though the question was rhetorical the answer is correct enough to make the question not very useful.”
As much as I hate having to spell things out in explicit detail to get my point across, here goes:
Given the federal government’s present heavy reliance on contract workers, the strong and ongoing recent trend to reduce the federal labor force, and the ease of releasing contractors by simply failing to renew their contracts, I don’t believe the near-term outlook for federal employment support of Washington, DC area housing is nearly as strong as Oxide, Watching and Waiting, and anyone else who say it is different in Washington, DC seem to believe.
Federal workers were $15 billion losers as Congress looked for ways to pay for parts of the just-passed legislation to extend the payroll tax cut and federal unemployment benefits through the end of the year.
Their advocates are crying foul, saying two consecutive years of seeing their pay frozen means the nation’s 2 million civil servants already have contributed more than $60 billion to reducing government costs. Republicans, led by their aggressive freshman class, say federal employees, with their generally secure jobs and benefits, can do more. They have proposed several bills to make that happen.
The White House also is asking federal employees to pitch in more for their retirement plans.
Under the bill passed Friday, about half of the $30 billion cost of extending unemployment benefits will be made up by requiring newly hired federal workers to pay an additional 2.3 percent of their salaries for their pensions. Currently they pay 0.8 percent.
Combined with other bills House Republicans have proposed to further limit federal wages and benefits, the total cost to civil servants could be $134 billion over the next decade, said House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer of Maryland.
“The ongoing efforts to target federal workers will substantially undermine our ability to recruit and retain the quality of people we need,” said Hoyer, whose district encompassing some of the Washington suburbs is home to thousands of government employees.
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Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-04-07 15:41:08
I’m thinking at some point after an acceleration of credit collapse, the thousands of lobbyists that need housing around the DC area will be getting a thinning.
Comment by Neuromance
2012-04-07 17:53:56
The federal government never actually cuts spending, nor even holds it constant which in government land is a cut. My suspicion is that outsourcing workers allows politicians to say they “cut government” (”back off man, you think I won’t cut you?”) while not really doing so.
In Maryland, the governor wants to push teacher pensions onto the counties. The counties will raise income tax rates, the people will wind up paying more, but the governor will be able to say he balanced the budget for his likely presidential run. It’s smoke and mirrors. Politicians get their power from the amount of money they spend. The more money they spend, the more influence they gain.
In passing a budget outline Thursday, the House endorsed several provisions targeting federal employee pay, retirement benefits and job levels.
It rejected an alternative plan to leave them alone but also voted down still another to cut into benefits even more deeply.
The budget resolution proposed by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) calls for continuing the freeze on federal salary rates through 2015, cutting federal employment by 10 percent by hiring only one replacement for every three employees who leave, and requiring employees to pay as much into the retirement fund as the government pays. That provision would require an increase on the employee side of as much as 6 percent of salary.
The budget also raises the prospect of other cuts, including ending a retirement supplement for most employees under the Federal Employees Retirement System who retire before age 62.
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Say goodbye to Martha Johnson. This week, she was forced to resign as chief of the General Services Administration, the federal agency that manages real estate for the government.
Somehow Johnson managed to spend an incredible $820,000 for a conference outside Las Vegas. Among the expenditures she okayed: $31,000 for a “networking reception,” $146,000 for catered food and drinks, as well as $130,000 in expenses to “scout” the conference’s hotel location. Apparently, Johnson’s advance team had to travel to Vegas six times to get a handle on where best to discuss GSA business. Somebody had to do it.
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Hi. I did not post yesterday. Another congrates Oxide! Since you’re paying $500 per month less than rent and expect to be there a long term (e.g you are buying for use rather than investment) well done!I think most posts were supportive. And any negative post were more about the market itself and just the habit of posters here to be righty so skeptical and devil’s advoacate. Joesmith congrats to you too!
I never answered your question about contractors that do air sealing with Owens Corning’s Energy Complete. I gave up because of all of the stupid attacks by RAL became annoying.
Understand that air-sealing opportunities become concealed as construction progresses so retrofit situations may or may not provide an opportunity to permanently seal where it is needed. The best case scenario might be a single story house with a ventilated attic that needs additional attic insulation. In that case the existing insulation could be removed sufficient to expose all the wall top plates and then a durable/flexible seal could be applied to all seams and penetrations and then the insulation could be upgraded.
Here are the Maryland contractors that install EC:
Tricon Construction (Have been using EC for three years)
15101 Buck Lane
Upper Marlboro, MD 20772
Branch Manager is Harold Gill, his mobile # is 301-672-4237
Devere Insulation (Have been installing for 1 year)
7501 Resource Ct.
Baltimore, MD 21226
Office # 410-766-7408, ask for Chris Rzepkowski (Manager)
Davenport Insulation (Masco Branch that has been installing Since December 2011)
15445 Depot Lane
Upper Marlboro, MD 20772
Office # 301-627-1800 ask for Pete Hernandez
A couple weeks ago I gave you a zipcode asking for insulation. I really thought that would tip off the HBBers, like, why would she need insulation, did she buy, etc. I guess I was too subtle.
I do indeed have an attic that needs insulation. I also have a room walled with 70’s-era paneling that I would probably like to redo with drywall (part of the massive updating). I don’t know if the walls are insulated behind the paneling, but if they aren’t, I’d like to insulate them before installing drywall.
When you get around to talking to one of these contractors ask them to bring an infra-red scanner ( flir gun ) it may very well show where you have insulation and where you do not.
The method by which you determine where you have leakage involves a blower door and theatrical fog but if one of these guys does retro-fit in your area they probably already have the weak points figured out and you can save that expense.
Trump is a piker. Now, if Cramer predicts deflation…
My ultimate goal is to retire with a paid-off house, somewhere. There are two ways to do it:
1. Rent for 25 years, pack away the difference, and buy Oil City outright when I retire. However, with the low mortgage rates, rents had already outpaced PITI. And with high demand for rental housing (mostly folks on Section 8/military government cheese ), rents were going to rise at least 5% a year, or at elast not drop. Within 10 years, even a 1-bed flat with a far commute would cost more than a SFH with a sizable yard. I would have LOST money by renting, not saved it. This was clearly becoming more and more untenable.
2. Buy soon and have the house mostly paid off by retirement. Although I have a 30-fixed, I intend to do that extra payment each year, which knocks off enough years so that the paid off house and retirement should happen at about the same time.
We have the same issues in the Baltimore area… lots of government and military that keep rents high for anything decent. If you dip below that, your’e living alongside Section 8 and the type of people who pack 6 people into a 2 BR apartment. Single family houses near the jobs rarely come up for rent–if they do, it’s $300 more than we pay in PITI.
And no one builds SFH in the city anymore, even at the edge near the city/county line. If developers get land, they do tricked out condos/townhomes. Down where I live, close to the harbor, if you start driving from the National Aquarium and keep going along Eastern Avenue, our house on the first block, about 3 miles away, where you start to see SFHs. And most blocks around us are still duplex or row homes/townhouse. So most people who want SFH have to live up near Towson or White Marsh or down in Columbia/Ellicott City…. which are very boring, spread-out places which require a car and require the beltway or other super-highways to get around.
Traffic here is a killer. 95 and 895 are parking lots around the harbor tunnels every morning and evening. By living here, I avoid that clusterf**** entirely, saving myself dozens of hours a month, not to mention the gas and wear/tear on car.
I bought the drill 3 years ago, and it seems to be okay for the moment. If it breaks I’ll go for DeWalt. The only other power tool I anticipate buying is a reciprocating saw. Not sure what I’ll do for pruners or shovels or a weedwacker.
We bought a Kitchen Aide mixer about 20 years ago. It gets used A LOT and still works like a champ. I’m pretty certain that it will still work fine when I take my dirt nap.
I bought the drill 3 years ago, and it seems to be okay for the moment. If it breaks I’ll go for DeWalt.
By all means get a drill; your new house will have you putting holes in lots of places. But for adding fasteners, put down the drill and reach for the impact driver. Just the thing for pounding away at screws and bolts, without transmitting reverse torqueing force to your wrist and elbow joints. The Bosch PS41-2A is a particularly well-designed model: compact, lightweight, and powerful.
HTH
I am in San Diego and we got a disturbing piece of real estate news recently. The amount of lower end real estate inventory went down 33% from this time last year. We are back to the days of 2005 when reasonably priced low end properties are getting 8 to 15 bids.
I am a hard money lender in San Diego and when I say lower end properties, I mean $350,000 and below. There are no bidding wars for properties in the $700,000 and up market.
Some of my flipper clients are paying too much for the fix and flip deals.
Being a “flipper” sounds sexy at a cocktail party but some of these folks are paying too much to buy themselves a job. A few of the successful flippers who have been established have the contacts who get the “pocket listings.”
There are certainly decent deals that never hit the MLS, for the flippers, it’s good to go after pocket listings, good to develop personal relationships with agents. A pocket listing is one that the agent gets who never puts it on the MLS. If he can convince the bank that he has sold X number of properties to this cash buyer and the buyer actually has a track record of not backing out, the realtor gets a double ended commission.
Say what you want about the realtor being slimy for doing that but the bank just got rid of a headache and can concentrate on the few thousand other properties to get rid of in their portfolio. I am not, however, advocating realtors pocket the listings on well priced properties. If I was the bank, I would probably want the most I could get for the property but on the other hand, I would want that POS off the books ASAP.
With a great reduction in the inventory here in San Diego, what are the banks waiting for the release their shadow inventory? Is it the threat of lawsuits with the robosigning fiasco? Is it lawsuits about who sold what paper and where is the original note? I know for a fact there are still tons of folks in this city who are sitting (I wanted to say squatting) in homes who haven’t made their mortgage payments in many cases 12-24 months.
‘when I say lower end properties, I mean $350,000 and below’
Well that says a lot. But you’ve got that great weather, right? I’m sure one could ask Mister Sunshine to make a payment here or there, huh?
‘what are the banks waiting for the release their shadow inventory?’
You answered your own question:
‘We are back to the days of 2005 when reasonably priced low end properties are getting 8 to 15 bids’
‘There are certainly decent deals that never hit the MLS, for the flippers, it’s good to go after pocket listings, good to develop personal relationships with agents.’
‘A Realtor who was exposed in a 9Wants to Know investigation has had his license suspended for six months and must pay a $5,550 fine. 9Wants to Know showed in 2011, that Mark Dyson didn’t bring an offer to a seller he represented, and then turned around and bought the building at a foreclosure auction himself.’
‘State law requires a seller’s agent to present all offers. “I should have presented the offer, that was my mistake,” Dyson told 9Wants to Know previously. “My mistake.”
“State law requires a seller’s agent to present all offers.”
That is correct. If however, no one knows that a house is for sale and this the person at the bank wants to get rid of the property without hassle, there will be no other offers.
It’s not only the realtor who might have questionable ethics but the REO or shortsale manager. It’s easier if it’s a shortsale because the bank doesn’t own it yet AND the house is not for sale. It’s just one of those many thousands of properties where the FBs are not paying and the bank hasn’t filed an NOD yet.
Even A Regular Sale Quiet Offer=If Dual Agency (Agent or Broker’s Office Level)
And that’s why we gave the sellers a calling card with our name on it, and contact info. The really wonderful lady asked who we were. If you don’t make an initial contact with the seller, they may not know you made an offer. I am licensed in Ca too, and the business is a dirty one, imho. I don’t do SFH.
‘There are certainly decent deals that never hit the MLS, for the flippers, it’s good to go after pocket listings, good to develop personal relationships with agents.’
Sounds like price fixing, which I thought was illegal.
“Sounds like price fixing, which I thought was illegal.”
If some realtor takes the time to go through the house of a person who hasn’t paid their mortgage in a long time…takes pictures of a property that you wouldn’t want your worst enemy to live in, sends it in to the bank employee who is charge of that house, tells the bank he/she has an investor for properties like this, makes an offer with their investor and gets accepted, how is that price fixing?
First of all, most people who haven’t paid in a long time don’t want it short saled, the are getting a place to live for free. So the realtor has to put up with a lot crazy deadbeats and finally get one who is reasonable and open to a short sale. You convince them to let you be the contact person with the bank.
The bank goes from getting no revenue with a non preforming asset on the books to getting some revenue and moving on.
Part IV of the Competition and Consumer Act 2010 (the Act) prohibits various anti-competitive practices that limit or prevent competition. It aims to foster the competitive environment necessary to give consumers diversity of choice in price, quality and service for goods and services. For example, Part IV prohibits specified cartel conduct and other forms of conduct among competitors that substantially lessens competition in a market. A reduction in competition that may occur as a result of the collusion might allow some traders to push prices up and lower the quality of the goods and services they offer to consumers.
Some anti-competitive conduct is prohibited on the basis that it has particular anti-competitive purposes or effects (i.e. cartel conduct such as price fixing or bid rigging), while other conduct is prohibited if it substantially lessens competition. A substantial lessening of competition may occur, for instance, when the ability of buyers to shop around for a deal that suits them is significantly diminished by an anti-competitive agreement among suppliers.
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‘If some realtor takes the time to go through the house of a person who hasn’t paid their mortgage in a long time…takes pictures of a property that you wouldn’t want your worst enemy to live in, sends it in to the bank employee who is charge of that house’
Wow that’s sounds like a lot of work, maybe 30 minutes of it. I do exactly that all the time for free. The only thing I get is a chance to bid to remove all the crap, unstop the toilets, clean year old food out of the fridge, etc.
‘tells the bank he/she has an investor for properties like this, makes an offer with their investor and gets accepted, how is that price fixing?’
It sounds more like collusion, which is probably against the lenders rules.
‘The bank goes from getting no revenue with a non preforming asset on the books to getting some revenue and moving on.’
You act like “the bank” is the one person who decides to make this insider deal. “The bank” is usually just acting as a loan servicer, or an asset manager is involved somewhere that may be yet another party. The trust that owns the loan may not be so happy with this little arrangement. Of course they’ll never know, so it’s all good, right?
Shenanigans like this are as old as the foreclosure business, and every body knows it’s crooked.
“It sounds more like collusion, which is probably against the lenders rules.”
These kind of anti-competitive practices increase the risk of homes selling above market value. Given that something like ninety-percent-plus of home purchases these days are funded by federally-guaranteed loans, the taxpayer is the ultimate bagholder if the home will not later sell above nominal ‘market value’ on which the loan was based.
“With a great reduction in the inventory here in San Diego, what are the banks waiting for the release their shadow inventory?”
They presumably are acting on the reasonable monopolistic assumption that trickling out shadow inventory at a snail’s pace will result in higher revenues than would increasing the volume of sales by releasing more inventory. The banks’ monopoly profits come at the expense of the households who forcibly bailed them out.
This gets straight to the heart of the reasons why Megabank, Inc should be broken up into small, competitive pieces.
“I know for a fact there are still tons of folks in this city who are sitting (I wanted to say squatting) in homes who haven’t made their mortgage payments in many cases 12-24 months.”
I don’t know that for a fact; could you post a shard of evidence to back this up?
That said, I personally maintain this assumption, based on what I know about recent experience in the San Diego economy. In short, it’s not a good time to buy right now, as extend-and-pretend policies currently in force are not sustainable.
FORECLOSURES FALL TO COUNTY’S FEWEST IN 4 YEARS
Written by Lily Leung 12:01 a.m., March 29, 2012
Updated 1:52 p.m., March 28, 2012
The number of San Diego County homes that were foreclosed upon in February fell to the lowest level in more than four years, while mortgage defaults remain higher than the pre-recession norm, Wednesday’s DataQuick report shows.
The county recorded 634 foreclosures in February, the fewest since November 2007. The latest tally of foreclosures is 12.7 percent lower than in January and 29.2 percent lower than a year ago. Foreclosures peaked at 2,004 in July 2008.
Notices of default — the first formal step in the foreclosure process — totaled 1,278, down 9.2 percent from January and down 6.9 percent from a year ago. Mortgage defaults peaked at 3,832 in March 2009.
Monthly and year-over-year changes in both indicators are constantly volatile because they’re heavily dependent on lender activity.
Comparing current foreclosure and mortgage-default figures to one-year to five-year averages shows decreases across the board.
It’s important to note that not all homeowners who receive notices of default will be foreclosed upon.
The percentage of California homeowners who start the foreclosure process and avert foreclosure is about 57 percent, based on data for the past five years from RealtyTrac. Homeowners can turn to other options from short sales to loan modifications.
Here’s another analysis: DataQuick analyst Andrew LePage looked at San Diego County default notices in the second quarter of 2010 and figured out how many had ended up being a foreclosure or were resold.
What he found:
• 41 percent had been foreclosed upon.
• 21 percent were not foreclosed upon and were sold on the open market.
• For 38 percent, the status was unclear. Among the explanations: These homes may be in the process of being foreclosed upon, or the mortgage default was resolved.
“Big caveat is, you don’t know the exact status of the properties that got (default notices,) but for which we have no subsequent filings,” LePage said. “Was it cured? Is it in a temporary loan mod? On the market as a short sale? Just in limbo, still, with the outcome uncertain?”
‘Dimon told Mayo then that the question was legitimate, but that he felt the nation’s banks needed to be large in order to compete with China and called the U.S. the “least consolidated banking system on the planet.”
But even all-powerful Jamie — “the nation’s foremost defender of very large banks,” Bush says — can’t end the battle.’
Perhaps not for long. Anybody who cannot see a global movement taking hold to break up banking monopolies is a blind man.
MONOPOLY: Premier Wen Jiabao, China’s top economic official, says its state-owned banks are monopolies that must be broken up.
PUBLIC ANGER: Wen’s comments suggest Beijing sees a growing political danger from its failure to carry out long-promised reforms of state banks, which pay minimal interest on deposits and made tens of billions of dollars in profit last year. Public resentment has risen as China’s rapid economic growth slows.
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The Rothschild family plans to merge its French and U.K. banks into one company to tighten control over the assets before an eventual succession of the group’s chief, David de Rothschild.
Rothschild & Cie Banque, the company that holds the French assets of the family such as the eponymous Paris-based mergers and acquisitions bank, and Rothschilds Continuation Holdings AG, which holds assets including London-based bank N.M. Rothschild & Sons Ltd., will be combined under French-traded Paris Orleans et Cie. SA, it said in an e-mailed statement last night. Paris Orleans will change its legal structure to a limited partnership to give the family control over the long term, it said.
“This will enable us to address the requirements of a globalized and competitive world while securing control of the family over the group,” David de Rothschild, who oversees the whole firm, said in the statement. Photographer: Peter Foley/Bloomberg
“This will enable us to address the requirements of a globalized and competitive world while securing control of the family over the group,” David de Rothschild, 69, who oversees the whole firm, said in the statement.
The decision is part of a unification process between the two branches of the family that started when David de Rothschild took managerial control of the U.K. side of the bank after his cousin Evelyn de Rothschild retired in 2004. While David is the first French national to run the English half, the ownership of the investment bank has remained split between the two families. The plan simplifies the ownership of the banking operations worldwide and will help integrate the teams further.
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How should one factor the dictatorial machinations of environmental whackos into California housing rent-or-purchase decision?
CROSS COUNTRY
Updated April 6, 2012, 10:04 p.m. ET
California Declares War on Suburbia Planners want to herd millions into densely packed urban corridors. It won’t save the planet but will make traffic even worse.
By WENDELL COX
It’s no secret that California’s regulatory and tax climate is driving business investment to other states. California’s high cost of living also is driving people away. Since 2000 more than 1.6 million people have fled, and my own research as well as that of others points to high housing prices as the principal factor.
The exodus is likely to accelerate. California has declared war on the most popular housing choice, the single family, detached home—all in the name of saving the planet.
Metropolitan area governments are adopting plans that would require most new housing to be built at 20 or more to the acre, which is at least five times the traditional quarter acre per house. State and regional planners also seek to radically restructure urban areas, forcing much of the new hyperdensity development into narrowly confined corridors.
In San Francisco and San Jose, for example, the Association of Bay Area Governments has proposed that only 3% of new housing built by 2035 would be allowed on or beyond the “urban fringe”—where current housing ends and the countryside begins. Over two-thirds of the housing for the projected two million new residents in these metro areas would be multifamily—that is, apartments and condo complexes—and concentrated along major thoroughfares such as Telegraph Avenue in the East Bay and El Camino Real on the Peninsula.
For its part, the Southern California Association of Governments wants to require more than one-half of the new housing in Los Angeles County and five other Southern California counties to be concentrated in dense, so-called transit villages, with much of it at an even higher 30 or more units per acre.
To understand how dramatic a change this would be, consider that if the planners have their way, 68% of new housing in Southern California by 2035 would be condos and apartment complexes. This contrasts with Census Bureau data showing that single-family, detached homes represented more than 80% of the increase in the region’s housing stock between 2000 and 2010.
The campaign against suburbia is the result of laws passed in 2006 (the Global Warming Solutions Act) to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and in 2008 (the Sustainable Communities and Climate Protection Act) on urban planning. The latter law, as the Los Angeles Times aptly characterized it, was intended to “control suburban sprawl, build homes closer to downtown and reduce commuter driving, thus decreasing climate-changing greenhouse gas emissions.” In short, to discourage automobile use.
If the planners have their way, the state’s famously unaffordable housing could become even more unaffordable.
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They’re trying it in DC too. They want to knock down most of the shopping plazas near the White Flint metro stop and pack people into “luxury” high-rise condos. They want to make it into one of those work-here-live-here-shop-here developments. For some reason this works will in Europe, but it just never caught on in America.
I, for one, spent 7 years in a high rise with no car and I don’t think I can do it again. Banging headboards, runs on the communal washers, fighting for the elevators, some joker pulling the fire alarm at 11 pm on Friday nights, no green space…I couldn’t do it.
Are there any legal limits that rein in the Fed’s power? Or is it basically a fourth branch of the U.S. government which is exempt from the Constitutionally-defined checks and balances that limit the other three branches?
The Federal Reserve System investigated itself and determined that concerns about undue political influence surrounding its alleged role in the Nixon Watergate scandal and a subsequent cover up, as well as allegations that the Fed facilitated a massive weapons loan to former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, were unfounded. Analysts and critics of the central bank, however, were not entirely convinced.
The establishment press promptly celebrated the findings — inaccurately characterizing the privately owned U.S. central banking system as a government “agency” — while largely omitting the well-documented evidence of widespread malfeasance by the government-backed monetary cartel. Several mainstream media outlets even used the investigation to attack the escalating suspicion and anger about the Fed, its multi-trillion dollar bailouts to entities around the world, its manipulation of markets, and its notorious secrecy.
During a 2010 hearing of the House Financial Services Committee, longtime central bank critic Congressman Ron Paul (above left) — citing reports and past investigations — questioned Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke about the Watergate and Iraq concerns. “Would you grant that the American people deserve to know whether the Federal Reserve has been involved with this and what kind of shenanigans they’re involved with?” he asked.
At the time, Bernanke called the accusations “absolutely bizarre,” claiming he had “absolutely no knowledge of anything remotely like what you just described.” Experts, however, were not buying it. Immediately following the hearing, University of Texas Professor Robert D. Auerbach of the LBJ School of Public Affairs — who assisted in congressional investigations of Fed corruption, abuse, and deception; and later wrote a book about it — sent Congress a letter that was entered into the record.
“I thank Congressman Ron Paul for bringing to the public’s attention the Federal Reserve coverup of the source of the Watergate burglars’ source of funding and the defective audit by the Federal Reserve of the bank that transferred $5.5 billion from the U.S. government to Saddam Hussein in the 1980s,” Prof. Auerbach wrote, noting that the Fed had already voted to destroy some evidence. “The evidence Congressman Ron Paul mentioned is well documented in my recent book, ‘Deception and Abuse at the Fed.’ The head of the Federal Reserve bureaucracy should become familiar with its dismal practices.”
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Streetwise | SATURDAY, APRIL 7, 2012 A Minor Selling Squall
By MICHAEL SANTOLI | MORE ARTICLES BY AUTHOR Last week’s stock-market performance doesn’t necessarily mean that “Markets Fear the End of Stimulus,” as one headline put it.
It isn’t wholly incidental that we call news articles “stories.” They arrange facts and inferences into tidy narratives, headlined with assertions. And so, the front page of this past Thursday’s Wall Street Journal offered “Markets Fear End of Stimulus.”
Maybe they do. But this was two days after the release of the minutes of the Federal Reserve March meeting, which withheld explicit promises of further money-printing and bond-buying by the central bank. Id-driven markets don’t wait 24 hours to express such fears. Indeed, Wednesday’s little 1% drop in stock indexes was accompanied by a Treasuries rally — the latter not exactly a sign that investors fear the Fed won’t be buying more Treasuries.
While the popular investor discourse might have been thrown slightly off course by the hint that the Fed was going to wait and see before furnishing additional largess, the stock market has mostly been elevating not on hopes of more free money from the Fed, but on the kind of economic confidence and gradually augmented risk appetites that themselves make extraordinary Fed assistance less likely.
As Dan Greenhaus, global strategist at institutional broker BTIG, wrote Thursday: “Less accommodation from the central bank is unquestionably a good thing for investors. Fundamentals should matter, not central-bank policy nuance.”
All the bulls need is for the fundamentals — with lots of positives already in sight and widely embraced — to cooperate.
In looking at last week’s minor selling squall, it more likely was about an overbought stock market moving past the quarter-opening flush of fresh money and being reminded, by Spain’s difficult bond auction, that while lots of encouraging domestic economic news has been recognized in share prices, another potential eruption of credit stress has not.
The turbulence so far has been minor and manageable, doing little to dent the positive multimonth trend, especially in large-cap U.S. stocks. It will be months before the market closely fixates on the stimulus — amounting to several percentage points of gross domestic product, from government spending and not the Fed — that’s set to expire amid a gridlocked Washington.
Birinyi Associates’ Ticker Sense blog noted last week that the S&P 500 had risen 28% in six months, a feat achieved or exceeded 20 times since 1927. Following such advances, stocks generally chalked up further one-, three-, and six-month gains, but they weren’t gaudy. Only a handful were of the double-digit variety that would have left sidelined investors kicking the dirt.
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Fallout from poor U.S. jobs report likely to continue and investors will assess beginning of earning season, Bernanke speech and China GDP report.
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If you “sell in May and go away,” here’s what you do: Weekend Investor Sell in May, go away
After a blowout quarter, investors can’t be blamed for a sense of deja vu: 2010 and 2011 saw a rally followed by a spring downturn. Here’s how to cope.
Monthly Case-Shiller home price index with North County median house prices corresponding to the low, high and most recent index points.
San Diego County house prices fell for a sixth straight month in January, a widely respected index showed Tuesday.
In January, house prices in San Diego and Riverside counties lost value and sales slowed after a big end of the year push in December. Buyers in January stayed on the sidelines, waiting to see if prices kept falling.
“People’s perception and concern about the economy, it makes people a little more scared about buying property,” said Leonard Baron, a professor of real estate at the Corky McMillin Center for Real Estate at San Diego State University. “I think people just continuously think prices are going to go down more. That’s what I hear from everybody.”
San Diego County house prices fell 1.1 percent from December and 5.3 percent from January 2011, according to Standard & Poor’s Case-Shiller House Price Index. January marks 12 straight months of year-over-year price declines. San Diego County house prices are 3 percent above a post-housing-bubble low set in 2009, and about equivalent to house prices in August 2002. House prices have dropped 40 percent since peaking in November 2005.
“Despite some positive economic signs, home prices continued to drop,” David Blitzer, chairman of the Index Committee at S&P Indices, said in a written statement.
The Case-Shiller Index measures house resales in 20 metropolitan areas. Of those, 16 saw house prices drop on a monthly basis, with only Detroit, Washington, D.C., Phoenix, and Miami prices rising. Compared to 12 months earlier, only Phoenix, Denver, and Detroit house prices rose. Index authors excluded one of the 20 cities, Charlotte,N.C., because the city was slow to report sales for January.
… The median house price in North San Diego County in January sank to $380,000, down 9.2 percent from December and down 11.9 percent from January 2011, according to a North County Times analysis of transactions from the San Diego County assessor’s office. The median house price was its lowest since February 2009, when the local market was clawing out of its post-housing-bust crater.
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“The median house price was its lowest since February 2009, when the local market was clawing out of its post-housing-bust crater.”
Technically, ‘the market’ was not ‘clawing out,’ but rather it was buoyed by the Fed’s QE operation coupled with the first-time homebuyer tax credit and other government-sponsored market manipulations.
“…$380,000, down 9.2 percent from December and down 11.9 percent from January 2011…”
That’s an incredible drop over the course of one month.
To translate the 11.9 percent drop since January 2011 into a dollar figure, one can perform the following calculation:
Let x = January 2011 median house price.
(100%-11.9%)x = $380,000, so (11.9%)x = (11.9%/(100%-11.9%))*$380,000 = $51,328.
That amount of price decline would cover our current rent for 22 months, and of course I am ignoring PITI and other homeownership costs besides negative wealth effects in this comparison.
Another interesting comparison is to San Diego median household income, which was supposedly $63,069 over the 2006-2010 period. This figure presumably exhibits upward bias due to ignoring unemployed households in the comparison; that said, the year-on-year decline in North County San Diego home prices would have cost a San Diego household with median income a negative wealth effect of $51,328/$63,069 = 81%. Factoring in closing costs, this would presumably have increased to near 100% for new North County home buyers in January 2011.
The foreclosure picture brightened last month in California and nationwide, but the improvement may not last, according to Irvine data tracker RealtyTrac.
California’s forclosure activity fell 13% to a 51-month low in February compared with a year earlier, with foreclosure filings going to 48,422 properties in the state, or 1 in 283 homes.
In Los Angeles and Orange counties, all forms of foreclosure filings fell 18% in February from a year earlier. Filings include notices of default, notices of foreclosure sales and repossessions. Foreclosure filings dropped 11% in the Inland Empire and 9% in San Diego County over the same time period.
Nationwide, February filings declined 8% from a year earlier, with 206,900 U.S. properties receiving some sort of foreclosure notice, or 1 in 637 housing units. The February decline was the lowest annual decrease since October 2010, as several states saw foreclosure increases in the wake of the settlement over foreclosure improprieties with five major lenders.
“February’s numbers point to a gradually rising foreclosure tide as some of the barriers that have been holding back foreclosures are removed,” RealtyTrac Chief Executive Brandon Moore said. “Although national foreclosure activity was pushed lower by decreases in a handful of larger states, 21 states posted annual increases in foreclosure activity, the most states with annual increases since November 2010.
Moore predicted that more states will see foreclosure increases in the coming months.
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We all know baby boomers are getting older. Here’s just one among many figures to capture the trend: By 2050, the population of people aged 65 or older will increase 120 percent, from 40 million to more than 88 million. Put somewhat differently: One in every five Americans will be 65 and older.
Where will they live? That’s the critical question the Center for Housing Policy addresses in Housing an Aging Population: Are We Prepared?
The report is a call to alarm. Yet what stood out to me is how many older Americans may well have the opportunity to fulfill a common sentiment: Age in place. The homeownership rate exceeds 80 percent for those ages 65 to 84.
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Well that’s pretty simple. The Boomers can’t sell their big homes and the grandkids can’t buy or maybe even rent due to student loan debt. Problem solved. In our society there’s more harmony when you skip a generation.
Student debt is reaching new heights for many American students. Money host Tess Vigeland, senior producer Paddy Hirsch and personal finance expert Liz Weston listen to some particularly harrowing stories of student debt. One med student is faced with $440,000 in student debt, which he says is “not an uncommon number” among his peers. Grads and students shared similar stories of finding cheap and free ways to have fun and giving up material comforts to make ends meet.
Liz Weston — who’s nine-year-old daughter Bea was listening in — said that the conversation about student debt has to start long before the student even start applying for college: Their freshman year of high school. “You don’t have the conversation when they have the acceptance letter in their hands,” she said. Parents must clearly lay out how much they are willing to give towards their child’s education and how to manage debt responsibly.
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Yes, 440k is a completely insane amount of student loan debt. You are looking at payments over 4k per month, think about that. Faced with a choice, I would be a ditch digger.
Welcome back, euro crisis. Euro-zone bond and equity markets enjoyed a remarkable rally after the European Central Bank agreed to flood the banking system with cheap three-year loans in December. But now that Spanish bond yields are back at levels last seen before the ECB’s Long Term Refinancing Operations and with stock markets sliding, it is clear the mood has changed. Euro-zone leaders should brace themselves for another long, hot summer.
This renewed market pressure largely reflects three things. First, fears that euro-zone economic conditions are deteriorating as austerity policies bite. Recent data paint a bleak picture of a worsening recession in the periphery. Unemployment in the euro area is now 10.8%. March’s Spanish manufacturing purchasing managers’ index showed an accelerating decline in output. The slowdown may even be spreading to the core: The German composite PMI is at a three-month low while France’s suggests renewed contraction.
Second, the market fears a lack of urgency on reform efforts. As market pressure eased, worrying signs of complacency emerged. Spain’s bank reform fell short of expectations and doubts have now emerged over Madrid’s commitment to its fiscal targets. Italy has been forced to make concessions on its vital labor reform; the increase in euro-zone bailout funds looked inadequate; and there has been limited progress on a pan-European growth agenda, including boosting structural funds and deepening the single market.
Third, the market is worried about Spanish banks. Last week Caixabank (CABK.MC -1.57%) wrote off the entire €2.8 billion ($3.68 billion) book value of Banca Civica as part of its agreed takeover, raising doubts about the adequacy of provisions on other bank balance sheets. Yet the government says it won’t use public money to recapitalize the banks and the deposit guarantee fund is out of funds. Meanwhile, Spanish bank customers are now significant holders of bank shares, raising questions about how they will react to severe dilution and the extent to which the equity can be truly loss-absorbing.
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Time To Panic About Europe Again
The Eurozone debt crisis is back, and it’s not going away.
By Matthew Yglesias|Posted Friday, April 6, 2012, at 2:21 PM ET
Slate
The key symptoms include a Spanish bond auction on Wednesday that drew little demand from investors, and a flight back into U.S. Treasury bonds and away from European debt. And of course while Spain is a big deal on its own terms, lurking behind it is the reality that if Spain goes down, the larger economies of Italy and even France will be pulled into the muck.
Fundamentally, the crisis recurred because the last “solution” to the crisis solved nothing. It was a half-genius, half-mad suture to narrowly address the banking crisis. Given enough free money from the ECB, any bank has the ability to stay solvent.
Solving hard problems takes time, so stopgap time-buying measures are welcome. The trouble is that months later, not only are the fundamental issues still with us, it’s difficult to say that any progress at all has been made.
Seems to me that no progress has been made here either. There’s too much money and power, both for the politicians and the financial companies, so I see little prospect for real reform till real collapse occurs.
Do More Expensive Wines Taste Better?: They should! It’s a cardinal rule: more expensive items are supposed to be qualitatively better than their cheaper versions.
The latest Freakonomics Radio podcast is called “Do More Expensive Wines Taste Better?” (You can download/subscribe at iTunes, get the RSS feed or listen live via the link in box at right.)
When you take a sip of Cabernet, what are you tasting? The grape? The tannins? The oak barrel? Or the price?
Believe it or not, the most dominant flavor may be the dollars. Thanks to the work of some intrepid and wine-obsessed economists (yes, there is an American Association of Wine Economists), we are starting to gain a new understanding of the relationship between wine, critics and consumers.
One of these researchers is Robin Goldstein, whose paper detailing more than 6,000 blind tastings reaches the conclusion that “individuals who are unaware of the price do not derive more enjoyment from more expensive wine.”
So why do we pay so much attention to critics and connoisseurs who tell us otherwise?
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I am fixated on the Charles Shaw Cabernets. $2.16 per bottle when you buy a case. After two months of snobby wine drinking (I have an autographed bottle of Heidi Barrett’s La Sirena Sirah from her wine tasting event at Total Wine in RB where I chatted with Ms. Barrett) I decided to return mostly to the cabs I liked from TJs. Now after every fourth case of TJs I will buy $1,000 worth of WFM or PNW stock and a $60ish bottle of 93-rated cab. I will have a ritual of lining up boxes of TJs next to a wall and after the fourth one, move $1000 to one of my brokerage accounts and reward myself with quality stock. This also essentially dollar cost averages into that stock despite what economic news occurs, and takes emotion out of the equation. I think it is a good plan. In all of 2010 I was drinking TJ wines as my tax shelter was gone.
Two buck chuck sometimes tastes better than many $25 wines. I noticed not much of a difference between the $54 La Sirena and the $74, so I bought the $54 and Ms. Barrett signed it.
As we know,
There are known knowns.
There are things we know we know.
We also know
There are known unknowns.
That is to say
We know there are some things
We do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns,
The ones we don’t know
We don’t know.
—Donald Rumsfeld, Feb. 12, 2002, Department of Defense news briefing
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April 6, 2012, 4:02 PM
The Big Uncertainty And The Fed
By Neal Lipschutz
The notion of an uncertain economic outlook for the U.S. is expressed so often by policy makers and pundits that it loses all meaning. It’s a given; boilerplate to the broader discussion.
But maybe uncertainty deserves to get some of its meaning back. There’s uncertainty and there’s UNCERTAINTY, and we are experiencing the latter.
Let’s take this week. To talk in simplified terms, the markets decided on Tuesday after the release of minutes of a Federal Reserve meeting held in mid-March that the odds of more quantitative easing declined considerably, based on tea-leaf reading of Fed members’ views and because of recent data showing more U.S. economic strength than many had expected.
Three days later we get a disappointing report on employment for March (120,000 new nonfarm jobs, much less than each of the prior few months and well below expectations). Because of the Good Friday holiday, the markets aren’t present in force to deliver a definitive verdict, but certainly a collective lowering of the odds of a so-called QE3 from the Fed will be priced in to various asset classes.
It’s reasonable to say the Ben Bernanke-led Federal Reserve has been an activist central bank, prone to do something to keep some economic momentum, perhaps spurred in part by a lack of consensus in Congress on whether or how to further act economically.
And in the wake of the 120,000-job-rise report Bernanke’s recent caution about job creation running ahead of broader economic growth looks on target.
Less discussed, of course, is how much even more quantitative easing would truly do for job creation. You don’t have to be a complete cynic to think markets’ recent responses have more to do with impacts from any Fed actions on asset prices than on analyses on whether and how much more easing would help the jobless.
Before this morning’s March employment data, it struck me that comments by Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis President James Bullard, prepared for delivery Thursday, got things about right as to where the Fed is and where it should go with policy.
Certainly one month’s jobs data won’t cause screeching u-turns in Fed policy makers’ thinking (and, after all, 120,000 more jobs is something positive). So I think Bullard’s positions still stand.
He played up in the Thursday presentation the need for a “wait-and-see” stance by the Fed in the face of recent and generally stronger-than-expected economic data.
He properly referred to monetary policy as a “blunt instrument” and added, “It may be better to focus on labor market policies to directly address unemployment instead of taking further risks with monetary policy.”
This may be the most relevant point in the talk in light of Friday’s data. The problem, as presumably seen by many at the Fed, is that no one else in government is likely to pick up the cudgel of ‘labor market policies,’ even on long-term issues such as improving education.
Investors looking for more Federal Reserve intervention can pretty much ignore the economic data and train their sights on one area: the stock market, and how much of a drop it will take before the central bank comes to the rescue.
Though the recent market selloff is worrisome, it could take as much as a 10 percent drop or more before the Fed acts.
While central bank action ostensibly is geared toward using monetary policy to control the levers of prices and employment, the era of quantitative easing [cnbc explains] has brought with it increased focus on how the equity markets push the economy, and not the other way around.
As such, Chairman Ben Bernanke and his fellow Fed [cnbc explains] officials will be paying great attention to whether the sharp stock decline Wednesday, as well as the market’s generally lackluster performance the past three weeks, signals a need for more stimulus.
“Mr. Bernanke and (former Fed chair Alan) Greenspan made it clear that the stock market is the transmission mechanism for monetary policy,” said Quincy Krosby, chief market strategist at Prudential Annuities in Newark, N.J. “They know that a stronger stock market feeds into a stronger economy, which feeds into investor confidence.
“It is an underpinning for that all-important virtuous cycle that Mr. Bernanke and all economists talk about.”
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The Obama administration wants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which finance the bulk of U.S. mortgages, to start reducing loan balances for troubled borrowers, but with safeguards to prevent them from purposely defaulting to obtain relief.
Housing and Urban Development Secretary Shaun Donovan laid out the case for a program with such checks and balances to convince the Federal Housing Finance Agency, which regulates the companies, to provide more mortgage aid.
“This isn’t about force; this is about making the right decision for homeowners and for the taxpayers,” Donovan said in an interview taped for C-SPAN’s public affairs television that was set to air on Sunday.
The FHFA is evaluating whether financial incentives offered by the White House would be enough to cover the cost of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac writing down mortgage debt. The agency said it may complete the analysis by mid-April.
“We believe that with the changes that we’ve made over the past couple months that the case is compelling,” he said.
Democrats have mounted pressure on the FHFA to use government resources to subsidize the cost of mortgage loan forgiveness. The agency has been criticized by consumer advocates for focusing too much on limiting taxpayers’ liability for the housing bailout instead of making more targeted efforts to help borrowers.
FHFA Acting Director Edward DeMarco has blocked Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from reducing principal amounts owed on mortgages, saying that would drive up the cost of a taxpayer bailout of the two government-run firms, which has topped $150 billion. Fannie and Freddie, the two largest sources of housing money, were taken over by the government more than three years ago as mortgage losses mounted.
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NEW YORK (TheStreet) — Somewhere in the world, Warren Buffett is smiling.
The investment he recently called out as being the No. 1 speculative bubble enemy — gold — is cratering on Tuesday’s Federal Reserve commentary that another round of quantitative easing is likely only if the economic recovery falls off track.
Gold futures trading on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange were selling off by $47.90 in the afternoon, and touched a level not seen since early January, at an intraday low of $1,613. Gold spot prices were recently down $26.80 and had fallen as low as $1,611, according to Kitco.com.
The action in gold was not a surprise to metals traders, who expected that at least in the near-term, the Fed had killed the gold trade in its commentary on Tuesday that another round of quantitative easing would not be merited unless the economy stalls.
“Fed policy has essentially been the fuel pushing this bull market. It’s been about liquidity and that has an impact on all commodities’ prices,” said Phillip Silverman of trading firm Kingsview Capital, who noted the big spike in the dollar on Tuesday. The big move up in the dollar can only result in a downward pressure on gold.
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“The investment he recently called out as being the No. 1 speculative bubble enemy…”
I call bullsh!t on this point, as will be obvious if my post on what Buffett actually said shows up.
The upshot: He pointed out the absurdity of current gold valuations in terms of how much other far more valuable stuff you could buy with physical sold at current price levels. He points out that if all the physical gold in the world were formed into a giant cube, it would fit inside a standard baseball diamond infield.
Similar examples were used to show the absurdity of Japanese land price valuations circa 1989; I vaguely recall one suggesting that the putative market value of the Imperial Palace grounds was enough to purchase all of California. I find such comparisons useful for showing when bubble valuations have reached absurd levels.
Gold traders are bearish for the first time this year after the Federal Reserve signaled it may refrain from more monetary stimulus and jewelers in India, the world’s biggest bullion market, shut to protest a new tax.
Fifteen of 29 analysts surveyed by Bloomberg expect prices to decline next week and five were neutral, the highest proportion since Dec. 30. Imports by India may have plunged as much as 81 percent in March and could drop 40 percent in the second quarter, the Bombay Bullion Association said April 2. Indian jewelers, who sell more gold than Australian and U.S. mines produce in a year, were closed today for a 20th day.
Gold had risen as much as 14 percent to $1,792.70 an ounce by Feb. 28 on the Comex in New York. Photographer: Paul Taggart/Bloomberg Gold Seen to Reach `All-Time High’ by Year End
Slumping Indian demand comes as prices already erased more than half of this year’s gains on mounting concern the Fed won’t buy more debt. Gold rose about 70 percent as the central bank bought $2.3 trillion of debt in two rounds of quantitative easing ending in June 2011. Policy makers indicated they won’t increase monetary accommodation unless the economy falters, according to minutes of their March 13 meeting released April 3.
“Reduced prospects for quantitative easing, if you read that as a strengthening U.S. economy, then it’s bad for gold,” said Carole Ferguson, an analyst at Fairfax IS in London. “Gold has lost some of its safe-haven shine this year. The Indian jewelry market is still very important. If strikes are a longer- term thing it’s more of a worry.”
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Who’d've thunk a bad jobs number would be bullish for gold prices? This linkage is a natural consequence of the Fed’s current topsy-turvy asset price support regime.
Gold in London rose for a second day after US employers added fewer than jobs than forecast
Reuters
Published: April 8, 2012
Gulf News
London: Gold in London rose for a second day after US employers added fewer than jobs than forecast, boosting prospects for the Federal Reserve to use additional stimulus measures to spur growth.
Payrolls climbed by 120,000 in March, the Labour Department said on Friday. Economists forecast a gain of 205,000, the median of 80 projections in a Bloomberg News survey. Minutes from a Fed policy meeting released last week indicated that the central bank will hold off on increasing monetary accommodation unless economic expansion falters.
“There’s going to be this feeling that the Fed’s minutes that said easing was off the table is not going to pan out,” Michael Gayed, the chief investment strategist who helps oversee $150 million (Dh550.83 million) at New York-based Pension Partners LLC, said in a telephone interview. “We’re getting the consistent message that stimulus is good for gold.”
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PALO ALTO, Calif. (MarketWatch) — Buying gold is now accessible for all, but the sage of Omaha has spoken. Warren Buffett says gold is not an investment — it’s a speculation and does not belong in an investor’s portfolio.
In his annual letter to Berkshire Hathaway shareholders, published Feb. 25, Buffett states:
Today the world’s gold stock is about 170,000 metric tons. If all of this gold were melded together, it would form a cube of about 68 feet per side. (Picture it fitting comfortably within a baseball infield.) At $1,750 per ounce — gold’s price as I write this — its value would be about $9.6 trillion. Call this cube pile A.
Let’s now create a pile B costing an equal amount. For that, we could buy all U.S. cropland (400 million acres with output of about $200 billion annually), plus 16 Exxon Mobils (the world’s most profitable company, one earning more than $40 billion annually). After these purchases, we would have about $1 trillion left over for walking-around money (no sense feeling strapped after this buying binge). Can you imagine an investor with $9.6 trillion selecting pile A over pile B?
Is manipulating asset prices really part of the Fed’s mandate? I find the very suggestion incredible, but I will keep an open mind, and would appreciate any evidence to support this conjecture which anybody would care to post.
Hardly a day passes by that the well known blog ZeroHedge doesn’t highlight some market observer arguing that central banks are manipulating stock prices higher. This usually is accompanied by pretty strong language, like here:
Unfortunately, the endless lies and propaganda are starting to push rational people who refuse to take the blue pill, and who are fully aware there is no wizard, over the edge. In his latest videoblog, Biderman is back, taking his Lewis Black impersonation to the next level, with the following rant: “Individuals are net sellers of US equities and have been for years, probably because they need to pay bills and stuff. So how are they able to do that and get decent prices without the stock market cracking. Well simple the Federal Reserve has been printing huge amounts of money and that ultimately has been boosting the value of US equities, and therefore the sellers can sell. All of this is driving me even more nuts than I already am.”
Alas, judging by how seemingly normal people act and behave recently, those to whom every fraudulent action of the Fed is clear as daylight, Biderman’s reaction is not unique, and more and more people have been brought to the edge of a full mental collapse as the lies upon lies upon propaganda merely pile up, with nothing ever being fixed (listen to the second part of Biderman’s rant for more on that), and with virtually limitless risk now swept under the rug, and onboarded by the world’s central banks, in a sequence that can only have one outcome: an end of the monetary system as we know it, at the point where no more risk transfer can take place.
Speaking about rational people refusing to take “blue pills,” lets cut through the rather inflated language used and look at this in a little more dispassionate manner. Let’s start from the assumption that they’re right. So what?
Presumably, stock prices would then be a lot lower.
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I suppose anything the Fed chooses to do is OK, provided they claim that it will help keep inflation under control or create jobs.
New York Fed 101: The Federal Reserve’s $600 Billion Treasury Purchase Program (Called by some QE or QE2)
On November 3, 2010, the Federal Reserve announced plans to purchase $600 billion in longer-term U.S. government debt from the private sector. The goal of this program was to support the economic recovery, spur job creation, and ensure that inflation, over time, is at levels consistent with the Federal Reserve’s mandate.
The Fed has been mandated by law to promote maximum employment and price stability. The recent recession and slow recovery through late 2010 resulted in an unacceptably high unemployment rate and an inflation rate below the level (near 2 percent1) the Fed judges to be consistent with its mandate. It is the Fed’s job to do what it can responsibly do to help bring down unemployment to the lowest level the economy can sustain over the medium term and to make sure that inflation returns to a level more consistent with its mandate.
Normally, when the economy is weak, unemployment is too high and inflation too low, the Federal Reserve lowers short-term interest rates. Lowering short-term interest rates in turn eases what economists call broader financial conditions—reducing the cost of longer-term finance and raising the value of assets such as stocks and homes. Lower interest rates in the United States typically results in some downward pressure on the foreign exchange value of the dollar as well. All these factors support spending, employment and growth.
But in late 2010 there was little scope to lower short-term rates further because these rates were already near zero. So the Federal Reserve decided to use large-scale purchases of longer-term assets as a means to ease financial conditions and support economic activity instead. Asset purchases had already been used successfully in recent years, and in August 2010 the Fed began reinvesting repayments of principal on the securities it had already purchased. The Treasury securities bought under the asset purchase program are backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government.
Like lowering short-term interest rates, buying assets eases financial conditions through several channels. Such purchases put downward pressure on longer-term borrowing costs relative to where they would be without them—although long-term interest rates will still go up and down depending on investors’ confidence in the economy and other factors. Lower longer-term interest rates support the value of stocks, homes and other assets, increasing household wealth. As normally happens when the Fed lowers interest rates, this may lead to a moderate change in the foreign exchange value of the dollar that supports demand for U.S.-produced goods. By easing financial conditions, Fed asset purchases help foster greater spending by households and businesses, increase employment and keep inflation from falling further.
The Federal Reserve completed the $600 billion asset purchase program on June 30, 2011.
We all know about the dire fiscal outlook arising from manic federal borrowing. The interest cost of financing and refinancing the burgeoning national debt has climbed 55% over the last three years. The Obama budget predicts net interest expenses tripling to over a half trillion dollars by fiscal 2015 from the 2010 level. That is probably conservative, given the likelihood that the administration has lowballed inflation and interest-rate prospects.
If that isn’t bad enough, let’s consider the risks not from federal borrowing but from federal lending. Those risks are pretty awful, too.
The big bump in federalized lending came in August 2008 when the government took over failing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. With the addition of these two giants, the federal government now has a $5 trillion mortgage portfolio, much of it of dubious value.
Since the takeover, Fannie and Freddie have drawn a net $136 billion from the Treasury to cover their losses, and they could cost taxpayers $259 billion through 2013, according to their regulator, the Housing and Home Finance Agency (HHFA). On top of that, the Federal Housing Administration is facing huge losses on the home mortgages it has guaranteed over the years and very likely will also require a taxpayer bailout.
By comparison, the cost of the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program in 2008 is relatively modest, a mere $28 billion so far, according to the latest government audit. Major banks have paid back their share of the loans.
As large as these numbers are and as likely that the HHFA is overly optimistic about the future of Fannie and Freddie, these exposures are only a part of the big picture of federal lending disarray. Government lending, like government borrowing, is a political tool used by Washington to win favor with voters. According to a Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report this month, the government has, in addition to Fannie, Freddie and TARP, a further $2.7 trillion in other loans and loan guarantees outstanding, and some of those loans don’t look so good either.
One of the more worrisome categories is student lending, which the government took over directly in 2010 after having merely guaranteed private loans previously. Student lending has soared along with college tuition, and has even contributed to tuition inflation by flooding colleges and universities with government cash. William Brewer, head of the National Association of Consumer Bankruptcy Attorneys, has been quoted as predicting that student loans will be the next “debt bomb” for the U.S.
The CBO’s new report says that federally issued or guaranteed student loans outstanding have grown to $706 billion from $79 billion a decade ago. (The government’s new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau estimates that all student loans outstanding now total over $1 trillion.) They don’t seem to be very good risks. A Journal story reporting on the CFPB estimate cites Federal Reserve Bank of New York data showing that as many as “one in four student borrowers who have begun repaying” are behind on their payments.
The sad state of government loan programs has produced two opposing views. Liberals want further bailouts for debtors. Dick Durbin of Illinois, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, has proposed that bankruptcy laws be liberalized so more former students can shed their debt burdens.
The Obama administration is pushing the idea of forgiving the portions of home mortgage debts that are under water. HHFA acting director Edward DeMarco has opposed forgiveness, telling Congress it would cost taxpayers another $100 billion. But the administration is applying pressure, offering to pay half the cost with unused TARP funds, so look for TARP losses to rise.
Taking a more responsible but politically risky approach, House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan (R., Wis.) is backing a budget bill provision that would put a more realistic value on the cost to taxpayers of government-subsidized lending. Currently, agencies calculate subsidies by comparing the interest rates on their loans to the rates on Treasury securities. Given rock-bottom Treasury rates, that often makes it look as if the agency is getting a positive return. Under Mr. Ryan’s “true value” accounting (backed in the CBO’s March report), the return instead would be measured against market interest rates.
The CBO analysis shows that true-value accounting on direct student loans would convert what the government records as a positive return into a budgetary loss.
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Topic
Student Loan Debt
Friday, Apr 6, 2012 4:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time The student loan crisis everyone saw coming
President Obama has fought hard to ease the student-debt burden, but Republicans threaten his fragile gains
By Andrew Leonard
When there are Americans whose Social Security checks are being garnished to pay off their outstanding student loan debt, then it is clear that the United States has a problem. And the rising number of seniors who haven’t paid off loans taken out decades earlier is only one of several reasons to be alarmed by a report on student loan debt released by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York in March.
Total debt, as of the end of the third quarter of 2011, had reached $870 billion, a number, the Fed was quick to point out, that eclipses what Americans owed on their credit cards and on their auto loans. According to a more recent report from the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), the amount currently owed on both federal and private student loans has already broken the trillion-dollar barrier.
That’s not just bad for the people struggling to pay off their debt — people who, according to CFPB student loan ombudsman Rohit Chopra, are being punished for “doing exactly what they were told would be the key to a better life.” The burgeoning debt numbers also pose a growing threat to the larger economy: money spent paying back student loans is money that isn’t stimulating overall economic growth. Who will dare risk becoming a first-time home-buyer, for example, or buy a new car, when still struggling to pay back thousands of dollars on their education?
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That’s not just bad for the people struggling to pay off their debt — people who, according to CFPB student loan ombudsman Rohit Chopra, are being punished for “doing exactly what they were told would be the key to a better life.”
A shame really. Government acting in cahoots with the financial companies and the media. Young people are heavily indoctrinated by the mass media, so they really never could see it coming. They aren’t fools, but experience will keep a very dear school.
“Who will dare risk becoming a first-time home-buyer, for example, or buy a new car, when still struggling to pay back thousands of dollars on their education?”
Especially when they can’t even get a decent jobs. And it’s not just those who majored in underwater basketweaving.
Do other HBB readers enter the house giveaways/promotions stewarded by media company Scripps Networks’ HGTV and DIY? The latest installment is the HGTV Green Home 2012 sweepstakes set to launch April 12. It is a gorgeous home on a hill in the master planned rural community of Serenbe in Chattahoochee Hillis, Georgia, about 50 miles outside Atlanta. The home is so beautiful I thought why not do a little research online. An Atlanta paper published a story and 19 pictures of a home and a homeowner (who shall remain nameless for her own good) who explains how much she loves her home and life in Serenbe. The story fails to mention that her home has been listed continuously for two years prior, and still hasn’t sold another two years on, even with an offer of owner financing. The story also doesn’t mention our hopeful seller is a real estate broker who listed her home only one year after buying in March 2007. But there’s a silver linning in this cautionary tale: Apparently the publicized seller likes Green living and water conservation. So there is some consolation to being apparently stuck in a home. She’s quoted,”For the first time ever, I can say that I love my toilets.”
The benefits of the system Why finance is good for us
A new call to arms
Apr 7th 2012 | from the print edition
Finance and the Good Society. By Robert Shiller. Princeton University Press; 304 pages; $24.95 and £16.95. Buy from Amazon.com, Amazon.co.uk
SINCE the September 2008 meltdown plunged much of the global economy into deep recession, no one has had a good word to say about finance or financial innovation. Adair Turner, Britain’s leading financial regulator, has given well-received speeches questioning whether much of finance is “socially useful” and arguing that it should be a smaller part of the economy. As for financial innovation, a comment by the former chairman of the Federal Reserve, Paul Volcker, that the only useful new concept in living memory is the ATM has garnered widespread sympathy, as has the admission that the day his grandson said he wanted to be a financial engineer was “one of the saddest” of his life.
In this context “Finance and the Good Society” is so contrarian as to be shocking—all the more so because its author, Robert Shiller, is no head-in-the-sand capitalist nor a highly paid Wall Street shill. The Yale economics professor was one of the earliest critics of the efficient-market hypothesis that underpinned much of the financial innovation in securities markets of the past 30 years or so. He has become something of a Cassandra, giving warning of bubbles in many financial markets, including American property before the recent crash. He even inspired the phrase “irrational exuberance” in a presentation about share prices to Alan Greenspan, then chairman of the Fed, in 2006.
Yet, in this new book, Mr Shiller writes that “imperfect as our financial system is, I still find myself admiring it for what it does, and imagining how much more impressive it can be in the future.” Ranging widely—from Adam Smith, Karl Marx and Friedrich Nietzsche to Damien Hirst and the latest findings of neuroscience—Mr Shiller argues convincingly that the good society requires an effective financial sector, and the way to extend the good life to more people is not to shrink the sector nor “restrain financial innovation but instead to release it”. That does not mean that fraudsters and others who broke the law during the bubble years should go unpunished, of course, and Mr Shiller rightly calls for financial innovation to take place in a “way that supports the stewardship of society’s assets”, a philosophical underpinning that Wall Street’s financial innovators seem to have been steadily forgetting since the 1980s.
He starts the book by going through each component of the financial industry, looking at investment managers, mortgage lenders and accountants, as well as lobbyists, educators and philanthropists. Mr Shiller explains the role they play in advancing the greater good, and, in so far as they contributed to the latest financial mess, he analyses what they did wrong and how they might be made virtuous again. Some solutions have already come about, such as renouncing the notion that house prices will never fall, a belief that contributed to the catastrophic mispricing of securitised mortgages. Indeed, Mr Shiller argues that for finance to be further democratised, it should “develop new and better mortgage institutions”.
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I’d be curious to hear what financial innovations have benefited society.
As far as I can tell, financial innovation involves figuring out new and more subtle ways to separate people from their wealth, and concentrate it in the financial sector.
1. ATM machines
2. Supermarket checkout scanners
3. Online banking services
4. Online purchases of books, other consumer merchandise
5. Online investment management (e.g. Vanguard)
6. Money as a replacement for barter
7. Checking accounts as a replacement for paper money or coinage
I’m sure there are many additional generally beneficial forms of financial innovation, tempered by increased opportunities for fraudsters and scam artists
Paging all RECENT BUYERS:
Any advice on counter-offers?
Go up $10K a pop if multiple offers and
home is really nice?
Meet in middle?
30 day + 2 coe a good rule of thumb?
Have never bought resale before.
We’ve always bought new.
This offer we just put in
is the first in 12 months.
We rescinded our last offer
for an REO. The pool cost was
the issue. 44,000 gal pool.
In AZ the asset managers sweet spot is 90% of asking. I’ve seen them take half. Do you leave money on the table? Start low so you have somewhere to go.
‘Go up $10K a pop if multiple offers’ ‘This offer we just put in is the first in 12 months.’
Are you talking about over asking? Why would there be multiple offers after 12 months unless there was a big price reduction? Personally, I’ve never seen an REO listed for 12 months. That is one asleep-at-the-wheel asset manager. Chances are, after that much time on the market, there is something wrong with it.
Sorry Ben, I wasn’t clear. 12 months since last offer and it was an REO. We rescinded.
We did start low on an offer for a standard sale we put in last night. We hope to meet them 1/2 way. They already gave their property a $40K haircut from their original price in Jan 2012.
I’ll tell you, housing in So Ca is still ridiculous. The lack of inventory has made it a seller’s market. This house has all new windows and doors, a full house fan (no AC) and has been owned by the current family since 1990. It’s move in ready.
In the real world worth $250K.
Cantankerous - Inventory is zlich. I hope this works out. Yeah, it is a dance. Job relocation, so motivated, but I’ll tell you, this will have multiple bids. We’re cash, but our Broker says “big deal”.
It’s a dance. They list high, you bid low, counters bounce back and forth, and if there is a meeting of the minds, you meet in the middle. Otherwise, just walk away and find another place you like.
All I can tell you is they won’t see it this way. They want to maximize the return. So lets say asking is 100, you offer 80, they might come back at 99. Don’t be fooled, they may eventually go to 85, but this is the bluff, massaging the end game. It depends on how they feel about the strength of their position. And conversely, what you do is how you feel about the strength of yours. Meeting halfway or some reasonable concept isn’t how they operate. Time on market signals the weakness on their side. My experience is that they will usually take 90% of asking if there aren’t other offers. Like I said, don’t leave money on the table; it doesn’t cost anything to haggle.
Don’t forget; they didn’t buy this house and have never been inside it. They have no idea what it’s worth.
Unfortunately, there is no dialog between the seller/buyer with foreclosures. It’s offer, counter-offer. A little attitude can be discerned here and there, but it’s put up or shut up (on both sides, BTW). I can’t say if that’s how it should be or not, but it is the reality of how things are done.
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It looks like all the FBs in my life are getting brand new houses and short-selling the house that made them an FB.
My wife’s cousin — the one who bought for $200k in Odessa and did an SS for $68 just bought in Land ‘O Lakes for $139k (FBs paid $290k). I’m not mad at my wife’s cousin, they’re gaming the system and acting predictably (taking the best position for themselves), but seriously, how can you lose $132k of OPM and then go out and get $139k of OPM?
When my wife brought it up, I said, “it’ll be interesting to see if they try to walk away again in five years.”
Somewhat related question: Question (repost): If a bank assigns a mortgage to a person and not another bank, does that mean the bank is giving them the house?
“My wife’s cousin — the one who bought for $200k in Odessa and did an SS for $68 just bought in Land ‘O Lakes for $139k (FBs paid $290k).”
Heads I win tails you lose.
If your wife’s cousin keeps flippin the coin it`s bound to come up heads sooner or later. Maybe after he short sells the Land ‘O Lakes house that he just bought for $139k at $68k he can buy a house for $10k and sell it in the year 2050 for $15k. Eventually that blind squirrel will find an acorn, it`s just a question of how much it will cost everyone else until he does.
“…how can you lose $132k of OPM and then go out and get $139k of OPM?”
I’m guessing taxpayer-funded, federally-guaranteed financing from Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, or the FHA, but that is just a hunch…
I’m guessing taxpayer-funded, federally-guaranteed financing from Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, or the FHA, but that is just a hunch…
Likely probability of 0.999…
how can you lose $132k of OPM and then go out and get $139k of OPM?
This is the direct effect of the federal government trying to ensure that lending does not tighten, as normal supply-and-demand economics would suggest that it should.
Realtors Are Liars®
Federal Reserve Governors are Liars®
I see green shoots.
Green shoots where?
The squad got a call yesterday about online resume and it was surprisingly from a hiring manager not a recruiting agency…
I wanted to get this post in early, because when oxide revealed she is buying/has bought a house, I can’t help but note that the reaction to this announcement was quite a bit different than when I mentioned my recent house purchase about 2 weeks ago on this board.
Is the different reaction because I’ve been a lurker and oxide has been posting here a long time? Like oxide, I live in Maryland and looked long and hard before buying. Because I think both of us cite the same reasons for purchasing a house:
- Stable, long term job (2 jobs in the case of myself and my wife)
- Proximity to this job (saves time and money otherwise spent commuting) and also to family
- PITI for single family house mortgage is less than renting a typical midscale apartment in the area (for us about $300 less; oxide says it’s 500 less for her)
- The area is very congested in terms of traffic and density of jobs/residents, so adding 5-10 miles to a commute can mean losing an hour of your day each day
- Buying significantly below peak pricing (50% off for us, 40% for oxide)
- Not too concerned about what the property is “worth” at any given time because the house’s primary value is as a solution to a basic need
- House is big enough with enough land and the features we want. I’ve mentioned that my wife and I spent 1/3 of what we could “afford”, but had no interest in a bigger “fancier” McMansion or a tricked out-townhouse with a bunch of features we don’t want.
- Ability to configure the house/yard/garage in ways that enhance daily living/hobbies/family time. Gardening is a hobby of mine and it’s pretty unlikely able to see my garden develop over the years on some rental property. Ditto for all the projects going on in my garage. And I wouldn’t want to move this stuff 5 or 10 times over the (expected) 50 yrs I have left to live. And it would be absurd to make all the upgrades and modifications for a rental house.
-. Really liking the neighborhood you’re in. Where I live, SFHs are rare and almost never available for rent. And the few I know of rent for 20% more than my PITI (1500, whereas my PITI is 1250). Even if prices dropped another 50% in Pikesville or Ellicott City, I am not interested in living there or any other “nicer” place that is more dependent on longer car trips and is further from my job.
- Healthy amount of skepticism about buying a house. Like oxide, I don’t think it’s right for everyone, nor is it “better” or even a “good investment”. It’s simply a way to check off the “shelter” box that is right for us for reasons 1-10 above. When I was looking for a house, I was never in a rush and was a massive pain to our RE agent because of what I’ve learned from HBB and what I’ve seen going to college and law school during the bubble and its aftermath… learning one thing and then the other… and knowing never to assume RE is an investment.
I realize that’s a bit of a jumbled list, sorry I didn’t put a lot of thought into organizing it. Basically, as much as I share HBB’s point of view that the government is actively propping up property prices and prices should eventually fall some more, I’m not that worried about it because my self-esteem and larger financial life are not tied to the “value” of the house I own. Like oxide, my wife and I looked at tons of houses and then lowballed and played hardball on the few worthy houses we saw. There comes a point where you drive the hardest bargain you can, get a house you like at a price that is very affordable, and it doesn’t matter what zillow says in 5 years because the alternative is paying much more to rent one of the few well-located SFHs or else paying money to a landlord so you can live next to loud, rude neighbors (often section 8).
Sorry for the long post. Just wanted to detail why I find it weird that people gave oxide a hard time.
“Is the different reaction because I’ve been a lurker and Oxide has been posting here a long time?”
Probably. Social cliques build up over time and members of the cliques tend to suppport each other. It’s a human condition thingy.
These cliques not only support their own members they also attack members of other cliques. Again, a human condition thingy: Think in terms of turf - not only physical turf but abstract forms of turf (i.e. ideas, political stances, etc.).
Look around a bit and you will see this phenom is everywere.
thought he said they did in fact give a longtime commenter a hard time…so confused…
Yes, it was that they gave oxide a MUCH harder time, even though her reasons seem similar to mine and her reasons are well documented. She had people laughing and practically cheering for schadenfreude, whereas people tended to agree with my reasons.
The thing is… my reasons and her reasons are pretty similar. Perhaps our ages are different so our time horizons are different. For us, our life expectancies would say that my wife and I should have 50 yrs to live. That’s the biggest difference I can see.
Free speech maybe? I wouldn’t expect anyone here to not speak they’re mind.
Here’s what I’ve noticed about people and buying houses. When someone gets it in their head to buy a house, and they have the cash or can get a loan, they almost always end up with a house. Man, the reasoning can be far and wide, but it doesn’t seem to matter, once they are hooked, that’s it.
But for speaking ones mind on it, here’s a personal experience; I’ve a friend I’ve mentioned before that qualified for $300k on a VA loan about 2 years ago. His parents had been telling him to buy something, and once he was pre-approved for the loan, there was no stopping him. He knows about this blog but I never said, it was a good idea or not. He bought a foreclosure, around 30k less than the rest for sale on the street. Paid something like 280k, I’m not sure. It’s gone down in the year and a half to where he’s probably underwater, since he put zero down. He tells me this week he’s got buyers remorse.
There’s a lot of intangibles; it’s not just rents versus prices or statistics of foreclosures. The biggest weight when I bought some land years ago was the debt, the immobility. Some people value these things differently, so I’m not gonna tell even my friends what I think. They are grown up and can live with or boast about the consequences. It’s not gonna change a thing about my life.
But on the HBB, don’t expect a round of polite applause every time someone buys a house. This is a free speech zone, and most of us like it that way.
“When someone gets it in their head to buy a house, and they have the cash or can get a loan, they almost always end up with a house.”
Perhaps I am unfairly judging Oxide, but that summarizes my cumulative impression from her long-term history of posting here.
But if she bought a house that she can afford and it makes her happy, then congratulations! De gustibus non est disputandum.
House lust
Interview by Tess Vigeland
Marketplace Money for Friday, April 6, 2012
Norumbega Park: A Novel
Author: Anthony Giardina
Publisher: Farrar, Straus and Giroux (2012)
Binding: Hardcover, 336 pages
Tess Vigeland: We’re about five years into the housing bust, and it’s safe to say home ownership has lost a bit of its luster. I’m not sure we know at this point where it fits in the American Dream anymore. But it still holds a place in the American novel. And it’s one of the main characters in “Norumbega Park,” new book from author Anthony Giardina. The story takes place in 1969 New England. The plot involves Richie Palumbo and his pursuit of this one house he spots while on an outing. It quickly becomes “THE HOUSE,” and the novel follows his obsession with owning it — no matter the cost.
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“…don’t expect a round of polite applause every time someone buys a house…”
Golf tournaments are regularly shown on TV if you like golf claps…
He bought a foreclosure, around 30k less than the rest for sale on the street. Paid something like 280k, I’m not sure. It’s gone down in the year and a half to where he’s probably underwater, since he put zero down. He tells me this week he’s got buyers remorse.
+1 Going underwater changes everything.
I have a number of offices spread over a 200-mi radius that I visit four or five times a year, and people there know my housing feelings being a California refugee. Once someone goes underwater that cheery attitude does such a hard about-face that you can almost see ‘em age faster than others around them.
A house with a mortgage is an almost insurmountable anchor for many who lose their jobs and need to find work to feed the beast. A 30 year fixed may have been a great idea for Mr. 1950’s and his stay-at-home wife, but it is not a great plan these days.
I know a guy who just bought a house last year after waiting out the bubble. About two months after the purchase, his employer started the push to get rid of him. He is still employed, but miserable. The real problem is that he will need to move to find work in his field. His house does not work well for that plan. He’s 43 and was counting on retiring with the company. They don’t share the same sentiment.
A house with a mortgage is an almost insurmountable anchor for many who lose their jobs and need to find work to feed the beast. A 30 year fixed may have been a great idea for Mr. 1950’s and his stay-at-home wife, but it is not a great plan these days.
Likely a 10 year fixed. Otherwise I agree completely.
I’d just like to point out that your post here (listing all the reasons you bought/why you thought it was a good idea) was a heck of a lot longer than the orignal one you made (as far as I can remember). We all know about oxide’s situation in terms of work, location, rent history/frustrations, and thought process on deciding to buy. Just because you think your situation is similar to someone else’s doesn’t mean that anyone else knows that your situations are similar.
I get this issue all the time at work. People think their organizations qualify for a particular treatment, but they didn’t bother to write it down in the documentation they send in.
Joe,
The few acerbic responses to Oxy seemed far to personal in nature for my taste. Everybody wants to be right and nobody wants to be wrong. The thing is, there is no one right answer. What works for me might not work for you.
Oxy has taken a large wildcard out of her life. I can say that for me personally, casting my housing fortunes to the 4 winds of heaven (courtesy of the Money Changers) causes a level of background anxiety that I don’t need. Yes, home prices overall will most likely continue to fall. BUT, what about a scenario where inflation becomes a severe problem. People become nervous about the value of their money (easy Darrell ). After all FIAT is just a confidence game. The rush for hard assets becomes a panic. Prices go significantly higher. Not value, just the amount of monopoly money we have to shovel in to consummate the deal. You might be seeing glimpses of this with the newly wealthy chinese ’snapping up’ very expensive homes here?
The bottom line is we are a virtual family here. Yes we have a weird uncle or three. Yes we have vastly different viewpoints. But I consider each and everyone of you people as friends. As I do Oxy. That is why I am happy for her. I can almost guarantee you she is in a much better place mentally, having turned an unknown into a known.
I bought about 2 years ago because, in my estimation, the likelyhood of high/runaway inflation was as high as the likelyhood of further depreciation on the property that I was looking to purchase. Inflation has not happened, but at the same time, the property hasn’t changed much in value. But, for me, the decision was weighing the risk of further depreciation against the risk of higher inflation. IMHO, inflation is more likely, which is what pushed me to buy.
Overtaxed
Yep, we toyed with the inflation vs. deflation argument ourselves in relation to a housing purchase, and decided that was just one data point. The others were low inventory below $450K (east Ventura County), and few decent properties to chose from, and paying multiple rents. When the home we just offered on came down $40K, we decided to go look at it. The new windows, french doors, exterior and roof work, etc…, and our multiple rent situation
screams go for it. We might get it, may not, but paying out all this money is a bad scene. We’re getting older.
Multiple data points are an individual decision. One size doesn’t fit all.
and our multiple rent situation
Awaiting, why is that again?
We came out of 4,000 sq ft with the intention of paying cash for a 2,000 st ft one-story. Had to rent apt, storage,office. Been trapped for years
Paying cash our month nut will be $475-taxes and insurance.
“IMHO, inflation is more likely, which is what pushed me to buy.”
With all the slack capacity in both the labor force and the capital stock, not only in the U.S. but in every other corner of the economically developed world, where exactly do you expect those inflationary pressures to originate?
+ a bazillion
I think if inflation happens, it will show up in agricultural areas and coast properties. This leaves Arizona out mostly, particularly with its fifteen years of drought. If I had $3,000,000 to buy one house with, first I would have a net worth many times that amou t, and second, I would own farmland in central California and ocean view home in Big Sur.
“…it will show up in agricultural areas…”
Do you forecast much through the lens of the rear-view mirror?
Cost of farmland continues to rise
File/The State Journal-Register
According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, Illinois has some of the most valuable farmland in the Midwest.
By Elaine Spencer
Correspondent
Posted Mar 28, 2012 @ 03:31 PM
In recent years, about the only thing growing faster than the corn on Illinois farmland has been its price.
The average price of Illinois farmland has increased more than tenfold in the last four decades, from $500 an acre in 1970 to $5,800 an acre in 2011.
Nearly half of that increase has occurred since 2004, when the average Illinois farmland price was slightly more than $2,500 an acre. And the trend appears to be continuing.
According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, Illinois farm real estate (land plus buildings) and cropland commanded the highest prices per acre in the Midwest last year. Illinois also experienced the second largest one-year jump in farm prices from 2010 to 2011 (16.3 percent).
No bubble expected
Could the price rise be a “bubble” about to burst like the inflation of home prices in the mid-2000s? At least one central Illinois expert doesn’t foresee this happening.
“I don’t think anyone who’s looked at it (farm price trends) carefully sees evidence of a bubble,” said Dr. Bruce Sherrick, director of the National Center for Farm and Rural Business Finance at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign.
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“I don’t think anyone who’s looked at it (farm price trends) carefully sees evidence of a bubble,” said Dr. Bruce Sherrick
Easy way to tell: what is the earnings-yield currently on an acre of farmland?
Yes prime same with house can you pay your bills and make a few $$ with a renter in it. My father taught us as kids, but then he was a bricklayer…and wound up being an accidental landlord of 7 apartments because his relatives died and he lived the closest to the 3 partially inherited houses.
Yeah, partly through a rear view mirror and partly through my Dad’s experience on his grandfather’s farm during the GD. Growing your own food works well both during depressions and inflation.
Different topic, this weekend I am staying at my temporary digs in L.A. The parking situation is almost desperation. Last night when I returned from work I saw a note on the door. Management is offering to pay $222 per referral that ends up with a renter (after 30 days). I see about twenty empty assigned spaces in the upper level garage in the wee hours of the morning when walking that way to my car parked on the next street south. I think their parking policy encouraged people to leave. Studio renters cannot use the garage. I got home late, at eight Wednesday night from work and had to park closer to the hospital, which is down the next block.
So I use the day off to do my errands early and grab street side parking when I am all done. Banking, haircut, Trader Joe’s, then Whole Foods.
If I want to go out in the evening it has to be either walkable (and my area is highly walkable) or I take a cab.
“Growing your own food works well both during depressions and inflation.”
As the son of parents who grew up during the Great Depression in Midwest farming communities, I’m not going to argue with you on this point.
However, I did want to clarify that farm prices are already quite bubbly, questioning their viability as an inflation hedge, at least if purchased at current valuations.
Yes we have a weird uncle or three.
(raises hand)
He’s referring to our resident Hwy50.
What?? I’m not weird enough to qualify??
Ok, you’re right—Hwy wins.
joesmith
I wasn’t aware of that thread, but CONGRATS on your home purchase. Health & Happiness, sprinkle Happy Memories on top.
We just put in an offer last night ourselves. Pricey but clean and well maintained, new windows, and private yard. It’s been a yr since we found anything to offer on.
Joe, I’m elated for you.
Joe,
We’re a cash & close. We are paying multiple rents right now, so buying now is the lesser of the two evils. No doubt housing will continue to slowly leak (as it should) but at least will be paying for making the house nice vs. paying a landlord for a dump.
Sometimes the choices are just what they are.
will=we will
I have no problem with Oxy’s purchase. I have come close several times, and REALLY close once.
My only point is this: you have to think about how you’ll feel in five years. It will come quick. Drummin is right, too. Rentin’ ain’t easy…
If you say, “I don’t care if my house loses $75k…” you’re making that statement under today’s conditions. I don’t think today’s conditions will hold in 3-5 years.
Disclosure: I have no choice as I have no cash, so I continue to rent.
Muggy
When your wife is done w/ grad school and the daycare gets cheaper (they go to school), your day will come as well, and prices will be real.
I agree, Awaiting.
Muggy, my suspicion is that desireable housing is bottoming out. Undesireable housing — trashed rentals, condos, poorly bubble built new attached product with a long commute — will continue to fall and bring down the average. But good housing is close to bottom.
However, I don’t anticipate housing rising much either. I suspect good housing will bounce along the bottom, with a few fresh gems occasionally coming on the market. I hope that’s what you get, in whatever state you land.
“Muggy, my suspicion is that desireable housing is bottoming out.”
I felt this way in 2006, 2008, 2010, and now in 2012, which is why I was recently stressing over my lease renewal.
“I hope that’s what you get, in whatever state you land.”
Thanks, me too. I’m still targeting Delaware in, say, 3-4 years.
“Muggy, my suspicion is that desireable housing is bottoming out.”
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2012-04-06 05:40:20
Creating a false sense of urgency is the oldest sales technique ever.
In my life, I’ve maybe come across two occasions where there was an urgency to “buy”. However, these were real because nobody was pressuring me to buy.
Both were tickets to shows. One for an opera, and one for a play. And yes! There were sold out afterwards.
Everything else? It can wait a month. I’ve never seen a store run out of sofa’s. Houses too.
“Both were tickets to shows. … There were sold out afterwards.”
This reminds me of one of the advantages of living in a (relative) cultural wasteland like SD. One of my sons and I went to hear Gil Shaham play with the SD Symphony Orchestra last year. We showed up at the box office five minutes before downbeat, when someone standing nearby handed us second-row tickets they couldn’t use, gratis.
I assume this sort of thing doesn’t happen too often in NYC?
Sure it happens but you can’t rely on it.
It’s fairly standard practice at the opera to see people standing around seeing if someone will sell them an extra ticket.
I’ve given a ticket away when a friend fell ill. Stuff happens but if you want to see something at all cost then there’s only one way to guarantee that outcome.
Sure it was luck, but my point was that such luck is more likely to occur in a cultural wasteland populated by wealthy people than in a cultural Mecca populated by wealthy people.
“such luck is more likely to occur in a cultural wasteland populated by wealthy people than in a cultural Mecca populated by wealthy people.”
I would think that people in the cultural wasteland would be the more pissed off of the groups, therefore less likely to give the ticket away. I work in the transportation “industry”. Almost without fail, cultured folks = nice gratuity.
“…more pissed off of the groups, therefore less likely to give the ticket away.”
‘Pissed off’ sounds more typical of New Yorkers than San Diegans…
“‘Pissed off’ sounds more typical of New Yorkers than San Diegans…”
I see what you’re saying, but psychologically speaking, if you live in a cultural wasteland, you are probably more likely to take than give.
Another consideration: Oxide (and I) are in the DC metro area. With the federal government’s presence here, it is unlikely that in 5 years ANY property is going to have lost $75k. Her situation, because of the location, is unique.
‘it is unlikely that in 5 years ANY property is going to have lost $75k’
Oh really? Taking bets on that?
‘because of the location, is unique’
Yeah, it’s different there.
“Oxide (and I) are in the DC metro area. With the federal government’s presence here, it is unlikely that in 5 years ANY property is going to have lost $75k.”
How is the future outlook for federal government employment?
The Incredible Shrinking U.S. Government
By Jordan Weissmann
Apr 5 2012, 5:46 PM ET 68
What do Republican presidents Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II have in common that Obama doesn’t? Total government grew under those presidents after they faced recessions. By contrast, federal, state, and local government has declined by more than half a million workers in the last three years. Big government ain’t what it used to be.
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By contrast, federal, state, and local government has declined by more than half a million workers in the last three years.
And they’ve probably added a million contractors.
Anyone know the real numbers for contractors?
“And they’ve probably added a million contractors.”
Which gets to the heart of my post: When employment is in a downturn, can the federal government more quickly eliminate contractors or FTEs?
I suspect contractors workers. A contractor can be an individual or it can be a company ( team of individuals )
“I suspect contractors workers.”
Though my question was meant to be rhetorical, your answer is correct.
contractors workers.
My original post contained characters that indicated “contractors ‘are not equal to’ workers” but they got removed from my post.
I think you got my point none the less. Though the question was rhetorical the answer is correct enough to make the question not very useful.
Even if you compared dollars spent rather than the number of workers [employees] vs contractors the answer would be highly skewed because contractors may cover various expenses and cost of sales [including materials] that wouldn’t be part of the employee compensation.
“Though the question was rhetorical the answer is correct enough to make the question not very useful.”
As much as I hate having to spell things out in explicit detail to get my point across, here goes:
Given the federal government’s present heavy reliance on contract workers, the strong and ongoing recent trend to reduce the federal labor force, and the ease of releasing contractors by simply failing to renew their contracts, I don’t believe the near-term outlook for federal employment support of Washington, DC area housing is nearly as strong as Oxide, Watching and Waiting, and anyone else who say it is different in Washington, DC seem to believe.
“…$134 billion over the next decade…”
At least some of that reduction is quite likely to translate into decreased housing demand from federal worker households.
Politics
Congress targets federal workers for savings
1 month 2 weeks ago
The Associated Press
Federal workers were $15 billion losers as Congress looked for ways to pay for parts of the just-passed legislation to extend the payroll tax cut and federal unemployment benefits through the end of the year.
Their advocates are crying foul, saying two consecutive years of seeing their pay frozen means the nation’s 2 million civil servants already have contributed more than $60 billion to reducing government costs. Republicans, led by their aggressive freshman class, say federal employees, with their generally secure jobs and benefits, can do more. They have proposed several bills to make that happen.
The White House also is asking federal employees to pitch in more for their retirement plans.
Under the bill passed Friday, about half of the $30 billion cost of extending unemployment benefits will be made up by requiring newly hired federal workers to pay an additional 2.3 percent of their salaries for their pensions. Currently they pay 0.8 percent.
Combined with other bills House Republicans have proposed to further limit federal wages and benefits, the total cost to civil servants could be $134 billion over the next decade, said House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer of Maryland.
“The ongoing efforts to target federal workers will substantially undermine our ability to recruit and retain the quality of people we need,” said Hoyer, whose district encompassing some of the Washington suburbs is home to thousands of government employees.
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I’m thinking at some point after an acceleration of credit collapse, the thousands of lobbyists that need housing around the DC area will be getting a thinning.
The federal government never actually cuts spending, nor even holds it constant which in government land is a cut. My suspicion is that outsourcing workers allows politicians to say they “cut government” (”back off man, you think I won’t cut you?”) while not really doing so.
In Maryland, the governor wants to push teacher pensions onto the counties. The counties will raise income tax rates, the people will wind up paying more, but the governor will be able to say he balanced the budget for his likely presidential run. It’s smoke and mirrors. Politicians get their power from the amount of money they spend. The more money they spend, the more influence they gain.
“The federal government never actually cuts spending,…”
Posted at 04:43 PM ET, 03/29/2012
House backs federal job cuts, extended pay freeze
By Eric Yoder
In passing a budget outline Thursday, the House endorsed several provisions targeting federal employee pay, retirement benefits and job levels.
It rejected an alternative plan to leave them alone but also voted down still another to cut into benefits even more deeply.
The budget resolution proposed by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) calls for continuing the freeze on federal salary rates through 2015, cutting federal employment by 10 percent by hiring only one replacement for every three employees who leave, and requiring employees to pay as much into the retirement fund as the government pays. That provision would require an increase on the employee side of as much as 6 percent of salary.
The budget also raises the prospect of other cuts, including ending a retirement supplement for most employees under the Federal Employees Retirement System who retire before age 62.
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What does this story portend for future federal worker support of the unique DC housing market?
GSA party just a symptom of fed woes
By Bill O’Reilly
Saturday, April 7, 2012 - Updated 20 hours ago
Say goodbye to Martha Johnson. This week, she was forced to resign as chief of the General Services Administration, the federal agency that manages real estate for the government.
Somehow Johnson managed to spend an incredible $820,000 for a conference outside Las Vegas. Among the expenditures she okayed: $31,000 for a “networking reception,” $146,000 for catered food and drinks, as well as $130,000 in expenses to “scout” the conference’s hotel location. Apparently, Johnson’s advance team had to travel to Vegas six times to get a handle on where best to discuss GSA business. Somebody had to do it.
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Hi. I did not post yesterday. Another congrates Oxide! Since you’re paying $500 per month less than rent and expect to be there a long term (e.g you are buying for use rather than investment) well done!I think most posts were supportive. And any negative post were more about the market itself and just the habit of posters here to be righty so skeptical and devil’s advoacate. Joesmith congrats to you too!
oxide
I never answered your question about contractors that do air sealing with Owens Corning’s Energy Complete. I gave up because of all of the stupid attacks by RAL became annoying.
Understand that air-sealing opportunities become concealed as construction progresses so retrofit situations may or may not provide an opportunity to permanently seal where it is needed. The best case scenario might be a single story house with a ventilated attic that needs additional attic insulation. In that case the existing insulation could be removed sufficient to expose all the wall top plates and then a durable/flexible seal could be applied to all seams and penetrations and then the insulation could be upgraded.
Here are the Maryland contractors that install EC:
Tricon Construction (Have been using EC for three years)
15101 Buck Lane
Upper Marlboro, MD 20772
Branch Manager is Harold Gill, his mobile # is 301-672-4237
Devere Insulation (Have been installing for 1 year)
7501 Resource Ct.
Baltimore, MD 21226
Office # 410-766-7408, ask for Chris Rzepkowski (Manager)
Davenport Insulation (Masco Branch that has been installing Since December 2011)
15445 Depot Lane
Upper Marlboro, MD 20772
Office # 301-627-1800 ask for Pete Hernandez
Thank you Charlie!
A couple weeks ago I gave you a zipcode asking for insulation. I really thought that would tip off the HBBers, like, why would she need insulation, did she buy, etc. I guess I was too subtle.
I do indeed have an attic that needs insulation. I also have a room walled with 70’s-era paneling that I would probably like to redo with drywall (part of the massive updating). I don’t know if the walls are insulated behind the paneling, but if they aren’t, I’d like to insulate them before installing drywall.
When you get around to talking to one of these contractors ask them to bring an infra-red scanner ( flir gun ) it may very well show where you have insulation and where you do not.
The method by which you determine where you have leakage involves a blower door and theatrical fog but if one of these guys does retro-fit in your area they probably already have the weak points figured out and you can save that expense.
“Sorry for the long post.”
It’s hard to argue with a post like that!
oxy bought a house???
Man, I have a couple of busy days, get behind on my HBB, and suddenly the whole world changes…
Jeez. And I didn’t even get to give her a hard time about it.
Congrats, oxy; I know that the rental rates in your area have bugged you for a long time. And now you are finally free to ignore them.
(going back to read what I missed)
Trump thinks you made a good move with the massive inflation that is on its way. You house payment will be chump change in a few years:
Trump Warns ‘Massive Inflation’ Coming, Prepare
Billionaire Donald Trump says the U.S. economy is poised for “massive inflation” and is warning investors to take steps now to protect themselves.
In the gripping CNBC interview, Trump also told investors they should not trust official government statistics.
He even questioned the “official unemployment” numbers. “It’s over 20 percent. It’s not 8.3 percent,” Trump said.
Trump also thinks skyrocketing oil prices will cripple the U.S. economy. “Right now, [oil] is at an all-time record for this time of the year, in the summer they predict $5 gasoline, maybe $6.”
http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Trump-warns-massive-inflation/2012/03/13/id/432355?PROMO_CODE=E67B-1
Trump is a piker. Now, if Cramer predicts deflation…
My ultimate goal is to retire with a paid-off house, somewhere. There are two ways to do it:
1. Rent for 25 years, pack away the difference, and buy Oil City outright when I retire. However, with the low mortgage rates, rents had already outpaced PITI. And with high demand for rental housing (mostly folks on Section 8/military government cheese ), rents were going to rise at least 5% a year, or at elast not drop. Within 10 years, even a 1-bed flat with a far commute would cost more than a SFH with a sizable yard. I would have LOST money by renting, not saved it. This was clearly becoming more and more untenable.
2. Buy soon and have the house mostly paid off by retirement. Although I have a 30-fixed, I intend to do that extra payment each year, which knocks off enough years so that the paid off house and retirement should happen at about the same time.
The second option seemed best.
We have the same issues in the Baltimore area… lots of government and military that keep rents high for anything decent. If you dip below that, your’e living alongside Section 8 and the type of people who pack 6 people into a 2 BR apartment. Single family houses near the jobs rarely come up for rent–if they do, it’s $300 more than we pay in PITI.
And no one builds SFH in the city anymore, even at the edge near the city/county line. If developers get land, they do tricked out condos/townhomes. Down where I live, close to the harbor, if you start driving from the National Aquarium and keep going along Eastern Avenue, our house on the first block, about 3 miles away, where you start to see SFHs. And most blocks around us are still duplex or row homes/townhouse. So most people who want SFH have to live up near Towson or White Marsh or down in Columbia/Ellicott City…. which are very boring, spread-out places which require a car and require the beltway or other super-highways to get around.
Traffic here is a killer. 95 and 895 are parking lots around the harbor tunnels every morning and evening. By living here, I avoid that clusterf**** entirely, saving myself dozens of hours a month, not to mention the gas and wear/tear on car.
Solid reasoning joesmith.
One more thing,
Oxy, you mentioned having good luck with a Ryobi drill yesterday.
Ryobi is absolute crap! Stay away from it. Really.
Thank you for your encouraging words, SV.
I bought the drill 3 years ago, and it seems to be okay for the moment. If it breaks I’ll go for DeWalt. The only other power tool I anticipate buying is a reciprocating saw. Not sure what I’ll do for pruners or shovels or a weedwacker.
If it breaks I’ll go for DeWalt.
I thought pretty much everything (including DeWalt) was cr@p made in China these days.
Are there any exceptions?
oxy bought a house???
Say whaaaaaat? Congratulations. It sounds like a good choice for you. Now paint one of the walls a totally crazy color. (just because you can)
We bought a Kitchen Aide mixer about 20 years ago. It gets used A LOT and still works like a champ. I’m pretty certain that it will still work fine when I take my dirt nap.
Makita.
I bought the drill 3 years ago, and it seems to be okay for the moment. If it breaks I’ll go for DeWalt.
By all means get a drill; your new house will have you putting holes in lots of places. But for adding fasteners, put down the drill and reach for the impact driver. Just the thing for pounding away at screws and bolts, without transmitting reverse torqueing force to your wrist and elbow joints. The Bosch PS41-2A is a particularly well-designed model: compact, lightweight, and powerful.
HTH
Bosch is best.
Milwaukee.
I thought I had heard that even Milwaukee was making things in China now…
I am in San Diego and we got a disturbing piece of real estate news recently. The amount of lower end real estate inventory went down 33% from this time last year. We are back to the days of 2005 when reasonably priced low end properties are getting 8 to 15 bids.
I am a hard money lender in San Diego and when I say lower end properties, I mean $350,000 and below. There are no bidding wars for properties in the $700,000 and up market.
Some of my flipper clients are paying too much for the fix and flip deals.
Being a “flipper” sounds sexy at a cocktail party but some of these folks are paying too much to buy themselves a job. A few of the successful flippers who have been established have the contacts who get the “pocket listings.”
There are certainly decent deals that never hit the MLS, for the flippers, it’s good to go after pocket listings, good to develop personal relationships with agents. A pocket listing is one that the agent gets who never puts it on the MLS. If he can convince the bank that he has sold X number of properties to this cash buyer and the buyer actually has a track record of not backing out, the realtor gets a double ended commission.
Say what you want about the realtor being slimy for doing that but the bank just got rid of a headache and can concentrate on the few thousand other properties to get rid of in their portfolio. I am not, however, advocating realtors pocket the listings on well priced properties. If I was the bank, I would probably want the most I could get for the property but on the other hand, I would want that POS off the books ASAP.
With a great reduction in the inventory here in San Diego, what are the banks waiting for the release their shadow inventory? Is it the threat of lawsuits with the robosigning fiasco? Is it lawsuits about who sold what paper and where is the original note? I know for a fact there are still tons of folks in this city who are sitting (I wanted to say squatting) in homes who haven’t made their mortgage payments in many cases 12-24 months.
‘when I say lower end properties, I mean $350,000 and below’
Well that says a lot. But you’ve got that great weather, right? I’m sure one could ask Mister Sunshine to make a payment here or there, huh?
‘what are the banks waiting for the release their shadow inventory?’
You answered your own question:
‘We are back to the days of 2005 when reasonably priced low end properties are getting 8 to 15 bids’
‘There are certainly decent deals that never hit the MLS, for the flippers, it’s good to go after pocket listings, good to develop personal relationships with agents.’
‘A Realtor who was exposed in a 9Wants to Know investigation has had his license suspended for six months and must pay a $5,550 fine. 9Wants to Know showed in 2011, that Mark Dyson didn’t bring an offer to a seller he represented, and then turned around and bought the building at a foreclosure auction himself.’
‘State law requires a seller’s agent to present all offers. “I should have presented the offer, that was my mistake,” Dyson told 9Wants to Know previously. “My mistake.”
“State law requires a seller’s agent to present all offers.”
That is correct. If however, no one knows that a house is for sale and this the person at the bank wants to get rid of the property without hassle, there will be no other offers.
It’s not only the realtor who might have questionable ethics but the REO or shortsale manager. It’s easier if it’s a shortsale because the bank doesn’t own it yet AND the house is not for sale. It’s just one of those many thousands of properties where the FBs are not paying and the bank hasn’t filed an NOD yet.
Even A Regular Sale Quiet Offer=If Dual Agency (Agent or Broker’s Office Level)
And that’s why we gave the sellers a calling card with our name on it, and contact info. The really wonderful lady asked who we were. If you don’t make an initial contact with the seller, they may not know you made an offer. I am licensed in Ca too, and the business is a dirty one, imho. I don’t do SFH.
‘There are certainly decent deals that never hit the MLS, for the flippers, it’s good to go after pocket listings, good to develop personal relationships with agents.’
Sounds like price fixing, which I thought was illegal.
“Sounds like price fixing, which I thought was illegal.”
If some realtor takes the time to go through the house of a person who hasn’t paid their mortgage in a long time…takes pictures of a property that you wouldn’t want your worst enemy to live in, sends it in to the bank employee who is charge of that house, tells the bank he/she has an investor for properties like this, makes an offer with their investor and gets accepted, how is that price fixing?
First of all, most people who haven’t paid in a long time don’t want it short saled, the are getting a place to live for free. So the realtor has to put up with a lot crazy deadbeats and finally get one who is reasonable and open to a short sale. You convince them to let you be the contact person with the bank.
The bank goes from getting no revenue with a non preforming asset on the books to getting some revenue and moving on.
Perhaps I don’t understand the term “anti-competitive”?
‘If some realtor takes the time to go through the house of a person who hasn’t paid their mortgage in a long time…takes pictures of a property that you wouldn’t want your worst enemy to live in, sends it in to the bank employee who is charge of that house’
Wow that’s sounds like a lot of work, maybe 30 minutes of it. I do exactly that all the time for free. The only thing I get is a chance to bid to remove all the crap, unstop the toilets, clean year old food out of the fridge, etc.
‘tells the bank he/she has an investor for properties like this, makes an offer with their investor and gets accepted, how is that price fixing?’
It sounds more like collusion, which is probably against the lenders rules.
‘The bank goes from getting no revenue with a non preforming asset on the books to getting some revenue and moving on.’
You act like “the bank” is the one person who decides to make this insider deal. “The bank” is usually just acting as a loan servicer, or an asset manager is involved somewhere that may be yet another party. The trust that owns the loan may not be so happy with this little arrangement. Of course they’ll never know, so it’s all good, right?
Shenanigans like this are as old as the foreclosure business, and every body knows it’s crooked.
“It sounds more like collusion, which is probably against the lenders rules.”
These kind of anti-competitive practices increase the risk of homes selling above market value. Given that something like ninety-percent-plus of home purchases these days are funded by federally-guaranteed loans, the taxpayer is the ultimate bagholder if the home will not later sell above nominal ‘market value’ on which the loan was based.
“With a great reduction in the inventory here in San Diego, what are the banks waiting for the release their shadow inventory?”
They presumably are acting on the reasonable monopolistic assumption that trickling out shadow inventory at a snail’s pace will result in higher revenues than would increasing the volume of sales by releasing more inventory. The banks’ monopoly profits come at the expense of the households who forcibly bailed them out.
This gets straight to the heart of the reasons why Megabank, Inc should be broken up into small, competitive pieces.
“I know for a fact there are still tons of folks in this city who are sitting (I wanted to say squatting) in homes who haven’t made their mortgage payments in many cases 12-24 months.”
I don’t know that for a fact; could you post a shard of evidence to back this up?
That said, I personally maintain this assumption, based on what I know about recent experience in the San Diego economy. In short, it’s not a good time to buy right now, as extend-and-pretend policies currently in force are not sustainable.
Here’s a shard:
FORECLOSURES FALL TO COUNTY’S FEWEST IN 4 YEARS
Written by Lily Leung 12:01 a.m., March 29, 2012
Updated 1:52 p.m., March 28, 2012
The number of San Diego County homes that were foreclosed upon in February fell to the lowest level in more than four years, while mortgage defaults remain higher than the pre-recession norm, Wednesday’s DataQuick report shows.
The county recorded 634 foreclosures in February, the fewest since November 2007. The latest tally of foreclosures is 12.7 percent lower than in January and 29.2 percent lower than a year ago. Foreclosures peaked at 2,004 in July 2008.
Notices of default — the first formal step in the foreclosure process — totaled 1,278, down 9.2 percent from January and down 6.9 percent from a year ago. Mortgage defaults peaked at 3,832 in March 2009.
Monthly and year-over-year changes in both indicators are constantly volatile because they’re heavily dependent on lender activity.
Comparing current foreclosure and mortgage-default figures to one-year to five-year averages shows decreases across the board.
It’s important to note that not all homeowners who receive notices of default will be foreclosed upon.
The percentage of California homeowners who start the foreclosure process and avert foreclosure is about 57 percent, based on data for the past five years from RealtyTrac. Homeowners can turn to other options from short sales to loan modifications.
Here’s another analysis: DataQuick analyst Andrew LePage looked at San Diego County default notices in the second quarter of 2010 and figured out how many had ended up being a foreclosure or were resold.
What he found:
• 41 percent had been foreclosed upon.
• 21 percent were not foreclosed upon and were sold on the open market.
• For 38 percent, the status was unclear. Among the explanations: These homes may be in the process of being foreclosed upon, or the mortgage default was resolved.
“Big caveat is, you don’t know the exact status of the properties that got (default notices,) but for which we have no subsequent filings,” LePage said. “Was it cured? Is it in a temporary loan mod? On the market as a short sale? Just in limbo, still, with the outcome uncertain?”
That article is from UT-San Diego…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0ZS9o6NLnM&feature=player_embedded
For those who associate flash mobs with thuggery and mayhem, here is a lovely Easter counterpoint from Beirut, Lebanon of all places.
You’re right. That was absolutely lovely.
Touching, really.
If this worked for telephone companies and airlines, I don’t see why it wouldn’t work for Megabanks.
April 4, 2012, 2:42 PM
J.P. Morgan Breakup Would Boost Shares, But So Would Being Quiet
By David Benoit
Nancy Bush just wants a decision.
Break up the big banks, or don’t, but make a decision and free up the shares, says the long-time bank analyst.
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‘Dimon told Mayo then that the question was legitimate, but that he felt the nation’s banks needed to be large in order to compete with China and called the U.S. the “least consolidated banking system on the planet.”
But even all-powerful Jamie — “the nation’s foremost defender of very large banks,” Bush says — can’t end the battle.’
Perhaps not for long. Anybody who cannot see a global movement taking hold to break up banking monopolies is a blind man.
The Associated Press April 4, 2012, 2:15PM ET
Summary Box: China’s Wen: break up bank monopoly
The Associated Press
MONOPOLY: Premier Wen Jiabao, China’s top economic official, says its state-owned banks are monopolies that must be broken up.
PUBLIC ANGER: Wen’s comments suggest Beijing sees a growing political danger from its failure to carry out long-promised reforms of state banks, which pay minimal interest on deposits and made tens of billions of dollars in profit last year. Public resentment has risen as China’s rapid economic growth slows.
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“… banks needed to be large in order to compete with China…”
Patriotism = The last refuge of a scoundrel.
“…last refuge…”
Don’t forget about religion.
That too.
Is the Eurozone moving back towards feudalism?
The world’s free people ignore moves to consolidate power in the global banking cartel at peril of their future liberty.
Rothschilds to Unite French, U.K. Banks to Secure Control
By Anne-Sylvaine Chassany - Apr 5, 2012 3:55 AM PT
The Rothschild family plans to merge its French and U.K. banks into one company to tighten control over the assets before an eventual succession of the group’s chief, David de Rothschild.
Rothschild & Cie Banque, the company that holds the French assets of the family such as the eponymous Paris-based mergers and acquisitions bank, and Rothschilds Continuation Holdings AG, which holds assets including London-based bank N.M. Rothschild & Sons Ltd., will be combined under French-traded Paris Orleans et Cie. SA, it said in an e-mailed statement last night. Paris Orleans will change its legal structure to a limited partnership to give the family control over the long term, it said.
“This will enable us to address the requirements of a globalized and competitive world while securing control of the family over the group,” David de Rothschild, who oversees the whole firm, said in the statement. Photographer: Peter Foley/Bloomberg
“This will enable us to address the requirements of a globalized and competitive world while securing control of the family over the group,” David de Rothschild, 69, who oversees the whole firm, said in the statement.
The decision is part of a unification process between the two branches of the family that started when David de Rothschild took managerial control of the U.K. side of the bank after his cousin Evelyn de Rothschild retired in 2004. While David is the first French national to run the English half, the ownership of the investment bank has remained split between the two families. The plan simplifies the ownership of the banking operations worldwide and will help integrate the teams further.
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How should one factor the dictatorial machinations of environmental whackos into California housing rent-or-purchase decision?
CROSS COUNTRY
Updated April 6, 2012, 10:04 p.m. ET
California Declares War on Suburbia
Planners want to herd millions into densely packed urban corridors. It won’t save the planet but will make traffic even worse.
By WENDELL COX
It’s no secret that California’s regulatory and tax climate is driving business investment to other states. California’s high cost of living also is driving people away. Since 2000 more than 1.6 million people have fled, and my own research as well as that of others points to high housing prices as the principal factor.
The exodus is likely to accelerate. California has declared war on the most popular housing choice, the single family, detached home—all in the name of saving the planet.
Metropolitan area governments are adopting plans that would require most new housing to be built at 20 or more to the acre, which is at least five times the traditional quarter acre per house. State and regional planners also seek to radically restructure urban areas, forcing much of the new hyperdensity development into narrowly confined corridors.
In San Francisco and San Jose, for example, the Association of Bay Area Governments has proposed that only 3% of new housing built by 2035 would be allowed on or beyond the “urban fringe”—where current housing ends and the countryside begins. Over two-thirds of the housing for the projected two million new residents in these metro areas would be multifamily—that is, apartments and condo complexes—and concentrated along major thoroughfares such as Telegraph Avenue in the East Bay and El Camino Real on the Peninsula.
For its part, the Southern California Association of Governments wants to require more than one-half of the new housing in Los Angeles County and five other Southern California counties to be concentrated in dense, so-called transit villages, with much of it at an even higher 30 or more units per acre.
To understand how dramatic a change this would be, consider that if the planners have their way, 68% of new housing in Southern California by 2035 would be condos and apartment complexes. This contrasts with Census Bureau data showing that single-family, detached homes represented more than 80% of the increase in the region’s housing stock between 2000 and 2010.
The campaign against suburbia is the result of laws passed in 2006 (the Global Warming Solutions Act) to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and in 2008 (the Sustainable Communities and Climate Protection Act) on urban planning. The latter law, as the Los Angeles Times aptly characterized it, was intended to “control suburban sprawl, build homes closer to downtown and reduce commuter driving, thus decreasing climate-changing greenhouse gas emissions.” In short, to discourage automobile use.
If the planners have their way, the state’s famously unaffordable housing could become even more unaffordable.
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They’re trying it in DC too. They want to knock down most of the shopping plazas near the White Flint metro stop and pack people into “luxury” high-rise condos. They want to make it into one of those work-here-live-here-shop-here developments. For some reason this works will in Europe, but it just never caught on in America.
I, for one, spent 7 years in a high rise with no car and I don’t think I can do it again. Banging headboards, runs on the communal washers, fighting for the elevators, some joker pulling the fire alarm at 11 pm on Friday nights, no green space…I couldn’t do it.
Are there any legal limits that rein in the Fed’s power? Or is it basically a fourth branch of the U.S. government which is exempt from the Constitutionally-defined checks and balances that limit the other three branches?
Enquiring minds want to know.
Fed Denies Link to Watergate, Iraq’s Saddam Hussein
Written by Alex Newman
Saturday, 07 April 2012 12:20
The Federal Reserve System investigated itself and determined that concerns about undue political influence surrounding its alleged role in the Nixon Watergate scandal and a subsequent cover up, as well as allegations that the Fed facilitated a massive weapons loan to former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, were unfounded. Analysts and critics of the central bank, however, were not entirely convinced.
The establishment press promptly celebrated the findings — inaccurately characterizing the privately owned U.S. central banking system as a government “agency” — while largely omitting the well-documented evidence of widespread malfeasance by the government-backed monetary cartel. Several mainstream media outlets even used the investigation to attack the escalating suspicion and anger about the Fed, its multi-trillion dollar bailouts to entities around the world, its manipulation of markets, and its notorious secrecy.
During a 2010 hearing of the House Financial Services Committee, longtime central bank critic Congressman Ron Paul (above left) — citing reports and past investigations — questioned Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke about the Watergate and Iraq concerns. “Would you grant that the American people deserve to know whether the Federal Reserve has been involved with this and what kind of shenanigans they’re involved with?” he asked.
At the time, Bernanke called the accusations “absolutely bizarre,” claiming he had “absolutely no knowledge of anything remotely like what you just described.” Experts, however, were not buying it. Immediately following the hearing, University of Texas Professor Robert D. Auerbach of the LBJ School of Public Affairs — who assisted in congressional investigations of Fed corruption, abuse, and deception; and later wrote a book about it — sent Congress a letter that was entered into the record.
“I thank Congressman Ron Paul for bringing to the public’s attention the Federal Reserve coverup of the source of the Watergate burglars’ source of funding and the defective audit by the Federal Reserve of the bank that transferred $5.5 billion from the U.S. government to Saddam Hussein in the 1980s,” Prof. Auerbach wrote, noting that the Fed had already voted to destroy some evidence. “The evidence Congressman Ron Paul mentioned is well documented in my recent book, ‘Deception and Abuse at the Fed.’ The head of the Federal Reserve bureaucracy should become familiar with its dismal practices.”
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Streetwise | SATURDAY, APRIL 7, 2012
A Minor Selling Squall
By MICHAEL SANTOLI | MORE ARTICLES BY AUTHOR
Last week’s stock-market performance doesn’t necessarily mean that “Markets Fear the End of Stimulus,” as one headline put it.
It isn’t wholly incidental that we call news articles “stories.” They arrange facts and inferences into tidy narratives, headlined with assertions. And so, the front page of this past Thursday’s Wall Street Journal offered “Markets Fear End of Stimulus.”
Maybe they do. But this was two days after the release of the minutes of the Federal Reserve March meeting, which withheld explicit promises of further money-printing and bond-buying by the central bank. Id-driven markets don’t wait 24 hours to express such fears. Indeed, Wednesday’s little 1% drop in stock indexes was accompanied by a Treasuries rally — the latter not exactly a sign that investors fear the Fed won’t be buying more Treasuries.
While the popular investor discourse might have been thrown slightly off course by the hint that the Fed was going to wait and see before furnishing additional largess, the stock market has mostly been elevating not on hopes of more free money from the Fed, but on the kind of economic confidence and gradually augmented risk appetites that themselves make extraordinary Fed assistance less likely.
As Dan Greenhaus, global strategist at institutional broker BTIG, wrote Thursday: “Less accommodation from the central bank is unquestionably a good thing for investors. Fundamentals should matter, not central-bank policy nuance.”
All the bulls need is for the fundamentals — with lots of positives already in sight and widely embraced — to cooperate.
In looking at last week’s minor selling squall, it more likely was about an overbought stock market moving past the quarter-opening flush of fresh money and being reminded, by Spain’s difficult bond auction, that while lots of encouraging domestic economic news has been recognized in share prices, another potential eruption of credit stress has not.
The turbulence so far has been minor and manageable, doing little to dent the positive multimonth trend, especially in large-cap U.S. stocks. It will be months before the market closely fixates on the stimulus — amounting to several percentage points of gross domestic product, from government spending and not the Fed — that’s set to expire amid a gridlocked Washington.
Birinyi Associates’ Ticker Sense blog noted last week that the S&P 500 had risen 28% in six months, a feat achieved or exceeded 20 times since 1927. Following such advances, stocks generally chalked up further one-, three-, and six-month gains, but they weren’t gaudy. Only a handful were of the double-digit variety that would have left sidelined investors kicking the dirt.
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Would now be a good time for dips to buy?
Churn, baby, churn…
Street facing a tough week
Fallout from poor U.S. jobs report likely to continue and investors will assess beginning of earning season, Bernanke speech and China GDP report.
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If you “sell in May and go away,” here’s what you do: Weekend Investor
Sell in May, go away
After a blowout quarter, investors can’t be blamed for a sense of deja vu: 2010 and 2011 saw a rally followed by a spring downturn. Here’s how to cope.
The shorts have been slaughtered so much since 2009 that there is little support once the selling really starts.
That’s a funny irony about the aftermath of too much “get shorty” policy…
It seems like North County San Diego home prices have recently crashed as fast as ever. Where does this end?
HOUSING: Home prices sputter for 6th consecutive month in January
By ERIC WOLFF ewolff@nctimes.com | Posted: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 6:30 am
Monthly Case-Shiller home price index with North County median house prices corresponding to the low, high and most recent index points.
San Diego County house prices fell for a sixth straight month in January, a widely respected index showed Tuesday.
In January, house prices in San Diego and Riverside counties lost value and sales slowed after a big end of the year push in December. Buyers in January stayed on the sidelines, waiting to see if prices kept falling.
“People’s perception and concern about the economy, it makes people a little more scared about buying property,” said Leonard Baron, a professor of real estate at the Corky McMillin Center for Real Estate at San Diego State University. “I think people just continuously think prices are going to go down more. That’s what I hear from everybody.”
San Diego County house prices fell 1.1 percent from December and 5.3 percent from January 2011, according to Standard & Poor’s Case-Shiller House Price Index. January marks 12 straight months of year-over-year price declines. San Diego County house prices are 3 percent above a post-housing-bubble low set in 2009, and about equivalent to house prices in August 2002. House prices have dropped 40 percent since peaking in November 2005.
“Despite some positive economic signs, home prices continued to drop,” David Blitzer, chairman of the Index Committee at S&P Indices, said in a written statement.
The Case-Shiller Index measures house resales in 20 metropolitan areas. Of those, 16 saw house prices drop on a monthly basis, with only Detroit, Washington, D.C., Phoenix, and Miami prices rising. Compared to 12 months earlier, only Phoenix, Denver, and Detroit house prices rose. Index authors excluded one of the 20 cities, Charlotte,N.C., because the city was slow to report sales for January.
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The median house price in North San Diego County in January sank to $380,000, down 9.2 percent from December and down 11.9 percent from January 2011, according to a North County Times analysis of transactions from the San Diego County assessor’s office. The median house price was its lowest since February 2009, when the local market was clawing out of its post-housing-bust crater.
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“The median house price was its lowest since February 2009, when the local market was clawing out of its post-housing-bust crater.”
Technically, ‘the market’ was not ‘clawing out,’ but rather it was buoyed by the Fed’s QE operation coupled with the first-time homebuyer tax credit and other government-sponsored market manipulations.
“…$380,000, down 9.2 percent from December and down 11.9 percent from January 2011…”
That’s an incredible drop over the course of one month.
To translate the 11.9 percent drop since January 2011 into a dollar figure, one can perform the following calculation:
Let x = January 2011 median house price.
(100%-11.9%)x = $380,000, so (11.9%)x = (11.9%/(100%-11.9%))*$380,000 = $51,328.
That amount of price decline would cover our current rent for 22 months, and of course I am ignoring PITI and other homeownership costs besides negative wealth effects in this comparison.
Another interesting comparison is to San Diego median household income, which was supposedly $63,069 over the 2006-2010 period. This figure presumably exhibits upward bias due to ignoring unemployed households in the comparison; that said, the year-on-year decline in North County San Diego home prices would have cost a San Diego household with median income a negative wealth effect of $51,328/$63,069 = 81%. Factoring in closing costs, this would presumably have increased to near 100% for new North County home buyers in January 2011.
“Factoring in closing costs,…”
I suspect the negative wealth effect would also increase to over 100% if you compared it to after-tax income…
Whatever happened to the predicted increase in foreclosure rates after the robo-signing settlement was reached?
Foreclosures fall in California and U.S. — but it may not last
A foreclosured home in Islip, N.Y., sits empty and boarded up. (Getty Images / March 15, 2012)
By Alejandro Lazo
March 14, 2012, 9:05 p.m.
The foreclosure picture brightened last month in California and nationwide, but the improvement may not last, according to Irvine data tracker RealtyTrac.
California’s forclosure activity fell 13% to a 51-month low in February compared with a year earlier, with foreclosure filings going to 48,422 properties in the state, or 1 in 283 homes.
In Los Angeles and Orange counties, all forms of foreclosure filings fell 18% in February from a year earlier. Filings include notices of default, notices of foreclosure sales and repossessions. Foreclosure filings dropped 11% in the Inland Empire and 9% in San Diego County over the same time period.
Nationwide, February filings declined 8% from a year earlier, with 206,900 U.S. properties receiving some sort of foreclosure notice, or 1 in 637 housing units. The February decline was the lowest annual decrease since October 2010, as several states saw foreclosure increases in the wake of the settlement over foreclosure improprieties with five major lenders.
“February’s numbers point to a gradually rising foreclosure tide as some of the barriers that have been holding back foreclosures are removed,” RealtyTrac Chief Executive Brandon Moore said. “Although national foreclosure activity was pushed lower by decreases in a handful of larger states, 21 states posted annual increases in foreclosure activity, the most states with annual increases since November 2010.
Moore predicted that more states will see foreclosure increases in the coming months.
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Here’s to hoping all the geezers house sitting in underwater, empty-nest family-sized McMansions enjoy “Aging in Place.”
Homes and the demographics of aging
Center for Housing Policy
Housing an Aging Population: Are We Prepared?
by Chris Farrell
Apr 5, 2012
We all know baby boomers are getting older. Here’s just one among many figures to capture the trend: By 2050, the population of people aged 65 or older will increase 120 percent, from 40 million to more than 88 million. Put somewhat differently: One in every five Americans will be 65 and older.
Where will they live? That’s the critical question the Center for Housing Policy addresses in Housing an Aging Population: Are We Prepared?
The report is a call to alarm. Yet what stood out to me is how many older Americans may well have the opportunity to fulfill a common sentiment: Age in place. The homeownership rate exceeds 80 percent for those ages 65 to 84.
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Well that’s pretty simple. The Boomers can’t sell their big homes and the grandkids can’t buy or maybe even rent due to student loan debt. Problem solved. In our society there’s more harmony when you skip a generation.
Your Money
Half a million bucks in student debt?
Interview by Tess Vigeland
Marketplace Money for Friday, April 6, 2012
Student debt is reaching new heights for many American students. Money host Tess Vigeland, senior producer Paddy Hirsch and personal finance expert Liz Weston listen to some particularly harrowing stories of student debt. One med student is faced with $440,000 in student debt, which he says is “not an uncommon number” among his peers. Grads and students shared similar stories of finding cheap and free ways to have fun and giving up material comforts to make ends meet.
Liz Weston — who’s nine-year-old daughter Bea was listening in — said that the conversation about student debt has to start long before the student even start applying for college: Their freshman year of high school. “You don’t have the conversation when they have the acceptance letter in their hands,” she said. Parents must clearly lay out how much they are willing to give towards their child’s education and how to manage debt responsibly.
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Is $440K high considering the potential earning power of doctors? A quick Google search showed internists average about $200K per year.
Yes, 440k is a completely insane amount of student loan debt. You are looking at payments over 4k per month, think about that. Faced with a choice, I would be a ditch digger.
For how many more decades will the Euro Zone debt crisis play out?
HEARD ON THE STREET
April 5, 2012, 10:50 a.m. ET
Euro Zone Heading for Another Hot Summer
By SIMON NIXON
Welcome back, euro crisis. Euro-zone bond and equity markets enjoyed a remarkable rally after the European Central Bank agreed to flood the banking system with cheap three-year loans in December. But now that Spanish bond yields are back at levels last seen before the ECB’s Long Term Refinancing Operations and with stock markets sliding, it is clear the mood has changed. Euro-zone leaders should brace themselves for another long, hot summer.
This renewed market pressure largely reflects three things. First, fears that euro-zone economic conditions are deteriorating as austerity policies bite. Recent data paint a bleak picture of a worsening recession in the periphery. Unemployment in the euro area is now 10.8%. March’s Spanish manufacturing purchasing managers’ index showed an accelerating decline in output. The slowdown may even be spreading to the core: The German composite PMI is at a three-month low while France’s suggests renewed contraction.
Second, the market fears a lack of urgency on reform efforts. As market pressure eased, worrying signs of complacency emerged. Spain’s bank reform fell short of expectations and doubts have now emerged over Madrid’s commitment to its fiscal targets. Italy has been forced to make concessions on its vital labor reform; the increase in euro-zone bailout funds looked inadequate; and there has been limited progress on a pan-European growth agenda, including boosting structural funds and deepening the single market.
Third, the market is worried about Spanish banks. Last week Caixabank (CABK.MC -1.57%) wrote off the entire €2.8 billion ($3.68 billion) book value of Banca Civica as part of its agreed takeover, raising doubts about the adequacy of provisions on other bank balance sheets. Yet the government says it won’t use public money to recapitalize the banks and the deposit guarantee fund is out of funds. Meanwhile, Spanish bank customers are now significant holders of bank shares, raising questions about how they will react to severe dilution and the extent to which the equity can be truly loss-absorbing.
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Time To Panic About Europe Again
The Eurozone debt crisis is back, and it’s not going away.
By Matthew Yglesias|Posted Friday, April 6, 2012, at 2:21 PM ET
Slate
The key symptoms include a Spanish bond auction on Wednesday that drew little demand from investors, and a flight back into U.S. Treasury bonds and away from European debt. And of course while Spain is a big deal on its own terms, lurking behind it is the reality that if Spain goes down, the larger economies of Italy and even France will be pulled into the muck.
Fundamentally, the crisis recurred because the last “solution” to the crisis solved nothing. It was a half-genius, half-mad suture to narrowly address the banking crisis. Given enough free money from the ECB, any bank has the ability to stay solvent.
Solving hard problems takes time, so stopgap time-buying measures are welcome. The trouble is that months later, not only are the fundamental issues still with us, it’s difficult to say that any progress at all has been made.
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2012/04/eurozone_debt_crisis_it_s_time_to_panic_about_it_again_.html
Seems to me that no progress has been made here either. There’s too much money and power, both for the politicians and the financial companies, so I see little prospect for real reform till real collapse occurs.
“The Eurozone debt crisis is back…”
as though to suggest it somehow went away for a period.
Stories like this make me feel like going out to buy a $10 bottle of wine to celebrate my frugality.
Freakonomics Radio: Do More Expensive Wines Taste Better?
Stephen J. Dubner
12/16/2010 | 10:30 am
Do More Expensive Wines Taste Better?: They should! It’s a cardinal rule: more expensive items are supposed to be qualitatively better than their cheaper versions.
The latest Freakonomics Radio podcast is called “Do More Expensive Wines Taste Better?” (You can download/subscribe at iTunes, get the RSS feed or listen live via the link in box at right.)
When you take a sip of Cabernet, what are you tasting? The grape? The tannins? The oak barrel? Or the price?
Believe it or not, the most dominant flavor may be the dollars. Thanks to the work of some intrepid and wine-obsessed economists (yes, there is an American Association of Wine Economists), we are starting to gain a new understanding of the relationship between wine, critics and consumers.
One of these researchers is Robin Goldstein, whose paper detailing more than 6,000 blind tastings reaches the conclusion that “individuals who are unaware of the price do not derive more enjoyment from more expensive wine.”
So why do we pay so much attention to critics and connoisseurs who tell us otherwise?
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I decided to raise my wine budget limit to $7/bottle. Enjoying some Napa Valley cab at the moment ($6.99 at Trader Joe’s) — not half bad!
I am fixated on the Charles Shaw Cabernets. $2.16 per bottle when you buy a case. After two months of snobby wine drinking (I have an autographed bottle of Heidi Barrett’s La Sirena Sirah from her wine tasting event at Total Wine in RB where I chatted with Ms. Barrett) I decided to return mostly to the cabs I liked from TJs. Now after every fourth case of TJs I will buy $1,000 worth of WFM or PNW stock and a $60ish bottle of 93-rated cab. I will have a ritual of lining up boxes of TJs next to a wall and after the fourth one, move $1000 to one of my brokerage accounts and reward myself with quality stock. This also essentially dollar cost averages into that stock despite what economic news occurs, and takes emotion out of the equation. I think it is a good plan. In all of 2010 I was drinking TJ wines as my tax shelter was gone.
Two buck chuck sometimes tastes better than many $25 wines. I noticed not much of a difference between the $54 La Sirena and the $74, so I bought the $54 and Ms. Barrett signed it.
Real Time Economics
Economic insight and analysis from The Wall Street Journal.
April 6, 2012, 4:02 PM
The Big Uncertainty And The Fed
By Neal Lipschutz
The notion of an uncertain economic outlook for the U.S. is expressed so often by policy makers and pundits that it loses all meaning. It’s a given; boilerplate to the broader discussion.
But maybe uncertainty deserves to get some of its meaning back. There’s uncertainty and there’s UNCERTAINTY, and we are experiencing the latter.
Let’s take this week. To talk in simplified terms, the markets decided on Tuesday after the release of minutes of a Federal Reserve meeting held in mid-March that the odds of more quantitative easing declined considerably, based on tea-leaf reading of Fed members’ views and because of recent data showing more U.S. economic strength than many had expected.
Three days later we get a disappointing report on employment for March (120,000 new nonfarm jobs, much less than each of the prior few months and well below expectations). Because of the Good Friday holiday, the markets aren’t present in force to deliver a definitive verdict, but certainly a collective lowering of the odds of a so-called QE3 from the Fed will be priced in to various asset classes.
It’s reasonable to say the Ben Bernanke-led Federal Reserve has been an activist central bank, prone to do something to keep some economic momentum, perhaps spurred in part by a lack of consensus in Congress on whether or how to further act economically.
And in the wake of the 120,000-job-rise report Bernanke’s recent caution about job creation running ahead of broader economic growth looks on target.
Less discussed, of course, is how much even more quantitative easing would truly do for job creation. You don’t have to be a complete cynic to think markets’ recent responses have more to do with impacts from any Fed actions on asset prices than on analyses on whether and how much more easing would help the jobless.
Before this morning’s March employment data, it struck me that comments by Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis President James Bullard, prepared for delivery Thursday, got things about right as to where the Fed is and where it should go with policy.
Certainly one month’s jobs data won’t cause screeching u-turns in Fed policy makers’ thinking (and, after all, 120,000 more jobs is something positive). So I think Bullard’s positions still stand.
He played up in the Thursday presentation the need for a “wait-and-see” stance by the Fed in the face of recent and generally stronger-than-expected economic data.
He properly referred to monetary policy as a “blunt instrument” and added, “It may be better to focus on labor market policies to directly address unemployment instead of taking further risks with monetary policy.”
This may be the most relevant point in the talk in light of Friday’s data. The problem, as presumably seen by many at the Fed, is that no one else in government is likely to pick up the cudgel of ‘labor market policies,’ even on long-term issues such as improving education.
Is asset price support really part of the Fed’s mandate?
Why the Fed Will Intervene If Stocks Fall Too Far
Published: Wednesday, 4 Apr 2012 | 12:03 PM ET
By: Jeff Cox
CNBC.com Senior Writer
Investors looking for more Federal Reserve intervention can pretty much ignore the economic data and train their sights on one area: the stock market, and how much of a drop it will take before the central bank comes to the rescue.
Though the recent market selloff is worrisome, it could take as much as a 10 percent drop or more before the Fed acts.
While central bank action ostensibly is geared toward using monetary policy to control the levers of prices and employment, the era of quantitative easing [cnbc explains] has brought with it increased focus on how the equity markets push the economy, and not the other way around.
As such, Chairman Ben Bernanke and his fellow Fed [cnbc explains] officials will be paying great attention to whether the sharp stock decline Wednesday, as well as the market’s generally lackluster performance the past three weeks, signals a need for more stimulus.
“Mr. Bernanke and (former Fed chair Alan) Greenspan made it clear that the stock market is the transmission mechanism for monetary policy,” said Quincy Krosby, chief market strategist at Prudential Annuities in Newark, N.J. “They know that a stronger stock market feeds into a stronger economy, which feeds into investor confidence.
“It is an underpinning for that all-important virtuous cycle that Mr. Bernanke and all economists talk about.”
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Cramdowns are coming.
US Housing Secretary Pushes Mortgage Write-Downs
Published: Saturday, 7 Apr 2012 | 1:51 PM ET
By: Reuters
The Obama administration wants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which finance the bulk of U.S. mortgages, to start reducing loan balances for troubled borrowers, but with safeguards to prevent them from purposely defaulting to obtain relief.
Housing and Urban Development Secretary Shaun Donovan laid out the case for a program with such checks and balances to convince the Federal Housing Finance Agency, which regulates the companies, to provide more mortgage aid.
“This isn’t about force; this is about making the right decision for homeowners and for the taxpayers,” Donovan said in an interview taped for C-SPAN’s public affairs television that was set to air on Sunday.
The FHFA is evaluating whether financial incentives offered by the White House would be enough to cover the cost of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac writing down mortgage debt. The agency said it may complete the analysis by mid-April.
“We believe that with the changes that we’ve made over the past couple months that the case is compelling,” he said.
Democrats have mounted pressure on the FHFA to use government resources to subsidize the cost of mortgage loan forgiveness. The agency has been criticized by consumer advocates for focusing too much on limiting taxpayers’ liability for the housing bailout instead of making more targeted efforts to help borrowers.
FHFA Acting Director Edward DeMarco has blocked Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from reducing principal amounts owed on mortgages, saying that would drive up the cost of a taxpayer bailout of the two government-run firms, which has topped $150 billion. Fannie and Freddie, the two largest sources of housing money, were taken over by the government more than three years ago as mortgage losses mounted.
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Metals and Mining
Gold’s Bearish Knife Is White Hot
By Eric Rosenbaum 04/04/12 - 03:39 PM EDT
NEW YORK (TheStreet) — Somewhere in the world, Warren Buffett is smiling.
The investment he recently called out as being the No. 1 speculative bubble enemy — gold — is cratering on Tuesday’s Federal Reserve commentary that another round of quantitative easing is likely only if the economic recovery falls off track.
Gold futures trading on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange were selling off by $47.90 in the afternoon, and touched a level not seen since early January, at an intraday low of $1,613. Gold spot prices were recently down $26.80 and had fallen as low as $1,611, according to Kitco.com.
The action in gold was not a surprise to metals traders, who expected that at least in the near-term, the Fed had killed the gold trade in its commentary on Tuesday that another round of quantitative easing would not be merited unless the economy stalls.
“Fed policy has essentially been the fuel pushing this bull market. It’s been about liquidity and that has an impact on all commodities’ prices,” said Phillip Silverman of trading firm Kingsview Capital, who noted the big spike in the dollar on Tuesday. The big move up in the dollar can only result in a downward pressure on gold.
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“The investment he recently called out as being the No. 1 speculative bubble enemy…”
I call bullsh!t on this point, as will be obvious if my post on what Buffett actually said shows up.
The upshot: He pointed out the absurdity of current gold valuations in terms of how much other far more valuable stuff you could buy with physical sold at current price levels. He points out that if all the physical gold in the world were formed into a giant cube, it would fit inside a standard baseball diamond infield.
Similar examples were used to show the absurdity of Japanese land price valuations circa 1989; I vaguely recall one suggesting that the putative market value of the Imperial Palace grounds was enough to purchase all of California. I find such comparisons useful for showing when bubble valuations have reached absurd levels.
The strong dependence of gold price movements on Fed policy should be clear to all at this point aside from the blind and the mentally disabled.
Gold Traders Bearish for First Time in 2012: Commodities
By Nicholas Larkin - Apr 5, 2012 8:09 AM PT
Gold traders are bearish for the first time this year after the Federal Reserve signaled it may refrain from more monetary stimulus and jewelers in India, the world’s biggest bullion market, shut to protest a new tax.
Fifteen of 29 analysts surveyed by Bloomberg expect prices to decline next week and five were neutral, the highest proportion since Dec. 30. Imports by India may have plunged as much as 81 percent in March and could drop 40 percent in the second quarter, the Bombay Bullion Association said April 2. Indian jewelers, who sell more gold than Australian and U.S. mines produce in a year, were closed today for a 20th day.
Gold had risen as much as 14 percent to $1,792.70 an ounce by Feb. 28 on the Comex in New York. Photographer: Paul Taggart/Bloomberg
Gold Seen to Reach `All-Time High’ by Year End
Slumping Indian demand comes as prices already erased more than half of this year’s gains on mounting concern the Fed won’t buy more debt. Gold rose about 70 percent as the central bank bought $2.3 trillion of debt in two rounds of quantitative easing ending in June 2011. Policy makers indicated they won’t increase monetary accommodation unless the economy falters, according to minutes of their March 13 meeting released April 3.
“Reduced prospects for quantitative easing, if you read that as a strengthening U.S. economy, then it’s bad for gold,” said Carole Ferguson, an analyst at Fairfax IS in London. “Gold has lost some of its safe-haven shine this year. The Indian jewelry market is still very important. If strikes are a longer- term thing it’s more of a worry.”
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Who’d've thunk a bad jobs number would be bullish for gold prices? This linkage is a natural consequence of the Fed’s current topsy-turvy asset price support regime.
Business | Markets
Gold gains as employers add fewer jobs in the US
Gold in London rose for a second day after US employers added fewer than jobs than forecast
Reuters
Published: April 8, 2012
Gulf News
London: Gold in London rose for a second day after US employers added fewer than jobs than forecast, boosting prospects for the Federal Reserve to use additional stimulus measures to spur growth.
Payrolls climbed by 120,000 in March, the Labour Department said on Friday. Economists forecast a gain of 205,000, the median of 80 projections in a Bloomberg News survey. Minutes from a Fed policy meeting released last week indicated that the central bank will hold off on increasing monetary accommodation unless economic expansion falters.
“There’s going to be this feeling that the Fed’s minutes that said easing was off the table is not going to pan out,” Michael Gayed, the chief investment strategist who helps oversee $150 million (Dh550.83 million) at New York-based Pension Partners LLC, said in a telephone interview. “We’re getting the consistent message that stimulus is good for gold.”
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Good ole Uncle Warren recently stuck a fork into the gold bubble.
ETF Adviser
Commentary: Use ETFs to hedge rising prices, dollar weakness
February 29, 2012|Steve Beck
PALO ALTO, Calif. (MarketWatch) — Buying gold is now accessible for all, but the sage of Omaha has spoken. Warren Buffett says gold is not an investment — it’s a speculation and does not belong in an investor’s portfolio.
In his annual letter to Berkshire Hathaway shareholders, published Feb. 25, Buffett states:
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Is manipulating asset prices really part of the Fed’s mandate? I find the very suggestion incredible, but I will keep an open mind, and would appreciate any evidence to support this conjecture which anybody would care to post.
The Fed Manipulating Stock Prices? So What?
March 13, 2012
Hardly a day passes by that the well known blog ZeroHedge doesn’t highlight some market observer arguing that central banks are manipulating stock prices higher. This usually is accompanied by pretty strong language, like here:
Presumably, stock prices would then be a lot lower.
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I suppose anything the Fed chooses to do is OK, provided they claim that it will help keep inflation under control or create jobs.
New York Fed 101: The Federal Reserve’s $600 Billion Treasury Purchase Program (Called by some QE or QE2)
On November 3, 2010, the Federal Reserve announced plans to purchase $600 billion in longer-term U.S. government debt from the private sector. The goal of this program was to support the economic recovery, spur job creation, and ensure that inflation, over time, is at levels consistent with the Federal Reserve’s mandate.
The Fed has been mandated by law to promote maximum employment and price stability. The recent recession and slow recovery through late 2010 resulted in an unacceptably high unemployment rate and an inflation rate below the level (near 2 percent1) the Fed judges to be consistent with its mandate. It is the Fed’s job to do what it can responsibly do to help bring down unemployment to the lowest level the economy can sustain over the medium term and to make sure that inflation returns to a level more consistent with its mandate.
Normally, when the economy is weak, unemployment is too high and inflation too low, the Federal Reserve lowers short-term interest rates. Lowering short-term interest rates in turn eases what economists call broader financial conditions—reducing the cost of longer-term finance and raising the value of assets such as stocks and homes. Lower interest rates in the United States typically results in some downward pressure on the foreign exchange value of the dollar as well. All these factors support spending, employment and growth.
But in late 2010 there was little scope to lower short-term rates further because these rates were already near zero. So the Federal Reserve decided to use large-scale purchases of longer-term assets as a means to ease financial conditions and support economic activity instead. Asset purchases had already been used successfully in recent years, and in August 2010 the Fed began reinvesting repayments of principal on the securities it had already purchased. The Treasury securities bought under the asset purchase program are backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government.
Like lowering short-term interest rates, buying assets eases financial conditions through several channels. Such purchases put downward pressure on longer-term borrowing costs relative to where they would be without them—although long-term interest rates will still go up and down depending on investors’ confidence in the economy and other factors. Lower longer-term interest rates support the value of stocks, homes and other assets, increasing household wealth. As normally happens when the Fed lowers interest rates, this may lead to a moderate change in the foreign exchange value of the dollar that supports demand for U.S.-produced goods. By easing financial conditions, Fed asset purchases help foster greater spending by households and businesses, increase employment and keep inflation from falling further.
The Federal Reserve completed the $600 billion asset purchase program on June 30, 2011.
I sadly suspect the April Fool’s joke of this article is on the U.S. taxpayer.
OPINION
April 1, 2012, 5:49 p.m. ET
Federal Lending Is as Rotten as Federal Borrowing
Uncle Sam has a loan for everyone, and many of them are likely to go bad.
By GEORGE MELLOAN
We all know about the dire fiscal outlook arising from manic federal borrowing. The interest cost of financing and refinancing the burgeoning national debt has climbed 55% over the last three years. The Obama budget predicts net interest expenses tripling to over a half trillion dollars by fiscal 2015 from the 2010 level. That is probably conservative, given the likelihood that the administration has lowballed inflation and interest-rate prospects.
If that isn’t bad enough, let’s consider the risks not from federal borrowing but from federal lending. Those risks are pretty awful, too.
The big bump in federalized lending came in August 2008 when the government took over failing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. With the addition of these two giants, the federal government now has a $5 trillion mortgage portfolio, much of it of dubious value.
Since the takeover, Fannie and Freddie have drawn a net $136 billion from the Treasury to cover their losses, and they could cost taxpayers $259 billion through 2013, according to their regulator, the Housing and Home Finance Agency (HHFA). On top of that, the Federal Housing Administration is facing huge losses on the home mortgages it has guaranteed over the years and very likely will also require a taxpayer bailout.
By comparison, the cost of the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program in 2008 is relatively modest, a mere $28 billion so far, according to the latest government audit. Major banks have paid back their share of the loans.
As large as these numbers are and as likely that the HHFA is overly optimistic about the future of Fannie and Freddie, these exposures are only a part of the big picture of federal lending disarray. Government lending, like government borrowing, is a political tool used by Washington to win favor with voters. According to a Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report this month, the government has, in addition to Fannie, Freddie and TARP, a further $2.7 trillion in other loans and loan guarantees outstanding, and some of those loans don’t look so good either.
One of the more worrisome categories is student lending, which the government took over directly in 2010 after having merely guaranteed private loans previously. Student lending has soared along with college tuition, and has even contributed to tuition inflation by flooding colleges and universities with government cash. William Brewer, head of the National Association of Consumer Bankruptcy Attorneys, has been quoted as predicting that student loans will be the next “debt bomb” for the U.S.
The CBO’s new report says that federally issued or guaranteed student loans outstanding have grown to $706 billion from $79 billion a decade ago. (The government’s new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau estimates that all student loans outstanding now total over $1 trillion.) They don’t seem to be very good risks. A Journal story reporting on the CFPB estimate cites Federal Reserve Bank of New York data showing that as many as “one in four student borrowers who have begun repaying” are behind on their payments.
The sad state of government loan programs has produced two opposing views. Liberals want further bailouts for debtors. Dick Durbin of Illinois, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, has proposed that bankruptcy laws be liberalized so more former students can shed their debt burdens.
The Obama administration is pushing the idea of forgiving the portions of home mortgage debts that are under water. HHFA acting director Edward DeMarco has opposed forgiveness, telling Congress it would cost taxpayers another $100 billion. But the administration is applying pressure, offering to pay half the cost with unused TARP funds, so look for TARP losses to rise.
Taking a more responsible but politically risky approach, House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan (R., Wis.) is backing a budget bill provision that would put a more realistic value on the cost to taxpayers of government-subsidized lending. Currently, agencies calculate subsidies by comparing the interest rates on their loans to the rates on Treasury securities. Given rock-bottom Treasury rates, that often makes it look as if the agency is getting a positive return. Under Mr. Ryan’s “true value” accounting (backed in the CBO’s March report), the return instead would be measured against market interest rates.
The CBO analysis shows that true-value accounting on direct student loans would convert what the government records as a positive return into a budgetary loss.
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Topic
Student Loan Debt
Friday, Apr 6, 2012 4:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time
The student loan crisis everyone saw coming
President Obama has fought hard to ease the student-debt burden, but Republicans threaten his fragile gains
By Andrew Leonard
When there are Americans whose Social Security checks are being garnished to pay off their outstanding student loan debt, then it is clear that the United States has a problem. And the rising number of seniors who haven’t paid off loans taken out decades earlier is only one of several reasons to be alarmed by a report on student loan debt released by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York in March.
Total debt, as of the end of the third quarter of 2011, had reached $870 billion, a number, the Fed was quick to point out, that eclipses what Americans owed on their credit cards and on their auto loans. According to a more recent report from the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), the amount currently owed on both federal and private student loans has already broken the trillion-dollar barrier.
That’s not just bad for the people struggling to pay off their debt — people who, according to CFPB student loan ombudsman Rohit Chopra, are being punished for “doing exactly what they were told would be the key to a better life.” The burgeoning debt numbers also pose a growing threat to the larger economy: money spent paying back student loans is money that isn’t stimulating overall economic growth. Who will dare risk becoming a first-time home-buyer, for example, or buy a new car, when still struggling to pay back thousands of dollars on their education?
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A shame really. Government acting in cahoots with the financial companies and the media. Young people are heavily indoctrinated by the mass media, so they really never could see it coming. They aren’t fools, but experience will keep a very dear school.
“Who will dare risk becoming a first-time home-buyer, for example, or buy a new car, when still struggling to pay back thousands of dollars on their education?”
Especially when they can’t even get a decent jobs. And it’s not just those who majored in underwater basketweaving.
Do other HBB readers enter the house giveaways/promotions stewarded by media company Scripps Networks’ HGTV and DIY? The latest installment is the HGTV Green Home 2012 sweepstakes set to launch April 12. It is a gorgeous home on a hill in the master planned rural community of Serenbe in Chattahoochee Hillis, Georgia, about 50 miles outside Atlanta. The home is so beautiful I thought why not do a little research online. An Atlanta paper published a story and 19 pictures of a home and a homeowner (who shall remain nameless for her own good) who explains how much she loves her home and life in Serenbe. The story fails to mention that her home has been listed continuously for two years prior, and still hasn’t sold another two years on, even with an offer of owner financing. The story also doesn’t mention our hopeful seller is a real estate broker who listed her home only one year after buying in March 2007. But there’s a silver linning in this cautionary tale: Apparently the publicized seller likes Green living and water conservation. So there is some consolation to being apparently stuck in a home. She’s quoted,”For the first time ever, I can say that I love my toilets.”
The world loves an optimist.
The benefits of the system
Why finance is good for us
A new call to arms
Apr 7th 2012 | from the print edition
Finance and the Good Society. By Robert Shiller. Princeton University Press; 304 pages; $24.95 and £16.95. Buy from Amazon.com, Amazon.co.uk
SINCE the September 2008 meltdown plunged much of the global economy into deep recession, no one has had a good word to say about finance or financial innovation. Adair Turner, Britain’s leading financial regulator, has given well-received speeches questioning whether much of finance is “socially useful” and arguing that it should be a smaller part of the economy. As for financial innovation, a comment by the former chairman of the Federal Reserve, Paul Volcker, that the only useful new concept in living memory is the ATM has garnered widespread sympathy, as has the admission that the day his grandson said he wanted to be a financial engineer was “one of the saddest” of his life.
In this context “Finance and the Good Society” is so contrarian as to be shocking—all the more so because its author, Robert Shiller, is no head-in-the-sand capitalist nor a highly paid Wall Street shill. The Yale economics professor was one of the earliest critics of the efficient-market hypothesis that underpinned much of the financial innovation in securities markets of the past 30 years or so. He has become something of a Cassandra, giving warning of bubbles in many financial markets, including American property before the recent crash. He even inspired the phrase “irrational exuberance” in a presentation about share prices to Alan Greenspan, then chairman of the Fed, in 2006.
Yet, in this new book, Mr Shiller writes that “imperfect as our financial system is, I still find myself admiring it for what it does, and imagining how much more impressive it can be in the future.” Ranging widely—from Adam Smith, Karl Marx and Friedrich Nietzsche to Damien Hirst and the latest findings of neuroscience—Mr Shiller argues convincingly that the good society requires an effective financial sector, and the way to extend the good life to more people is not to shrink the sector nor “restrain financial innovation but instead to release it”. That does not mean that fraudsters and others who broke the law during the bubble years should go unpunished, of course, and Mr Shiller rightly calls for financial innovation to take place in a “way that supports the stewardship of society’s assets”, a philosophical underpinning that Wall Street’s financial innovators seem to have been steadily forgetting since the 1980s.
He starts the book by going through each component of the financial industry, looking at investment managers, mortgage lenders and accountants, as well as lobbyists, educators and philanthropists. Mr Shiller explains the role they play in advancing the greater good, and, in so far as they contributed to the latest financial mess, he analyses what they did wrong and how they might be made virtuous again. Some solutions have already come about, such as renouncing the notion that house prices will never fall, a belief that contributed to the catastrophic mispricing of securitised mortgages. Indeed, Mr Shiller argues that for finance to be further democratised, it should “develop new and better mortgage institutions”.
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I’d be curious to hear what financial innovations have benefited society.
As far as I can tell, financial innovation involves figuring out new and more subtle ways to separate people from their wealth, and concentrate it in the financial sector.
1. ATM machines
2. Supermarket checkout scanners
3. Online banking services
4. Online purchases of books, other consumer merchandise
5. Online investment management (e.g. Vanguard)
6. Money as a replacement for barter
7. Checking accounts as a replacement for paper money or coinage
I’m sure there are many additional generally beneficial forms of financial innovation, tempered by increased opportunities for fraudsters and scam artists
After this month, I will no longer write checks for auto & home insurance or property tax bills.
I already have all utilities and other bills paid automatically.
I monitor all financial accounts online.
I have firewalls and several spamblockers, malware attackers, and virus eradicators. It takes a while to get them to cooperate -
Am i safe? No way in hell!
Am I protected?
Somewhat.
Provided convenience?
Definitely.
My little bunnies with their Easter helmets:
http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab205/muggyflo/img94922.jpg
LOL! Really cute.
Yikes! You fed them!
2cute2btwue, Mugs.
Beautiful kids — enjoy! They are life’s true treasure. (I’m feeling better about mine, lately, due to an improving trend in domestic relations…)
Paging all RECENT BUYERS:
Any advice on counter-offers?
Go up $10K a pop if multiple offers and
home is really nice?
Meet in middle?
30 day + 2 coe a good rule of thumb?
Have never bought resale before.
We’ve always bought new.
This offer we just put in
is the first in 12 months.
We rescinded our last offer
for an REO. The pool cost was
the issue. 44,000 gal pool.
‘Any advice on counter-offers?’
In AZ the asset managers sweet spot is 90% of asking. I’ve seen them take half. Do you leave money on the table? Start low so you have somewhere to go.
‘Go up $10K a pop if multiple offers’ ‘This offer we just put in is the first in 12 months.’
Are you talking about over asking? Why would there be multiple offers after 12 months unless there was a big price reduction? Personally, I’ve never seen an REO listed for 12 months. That is one asleep-at-the-wheel asset manager. Chances are, after that much time on the market, there is something wrong with it.
Sorry Ben, I wasn’t clear. 12 months since last offer and it was an REO. We rescinded.
We did start low on an offer for a standard sale we put in last night. We hope to meet them 1/2 way. They already gave their property a $40K haircut from their original price in Jan 2012.
I’ll tell you, housing in So Ca is still ridiculous. The lack of inventory has made it a seller’s market. This house has all new windows and doors, a full house fan (no AC) and has been owned by the current family since 1990. It’s move in ready.
In the real world worth $250K.
Cantankerous - Inventory is zlich. I hope this works out. Yeah, it is a dance. Job relocation, so motivated, but I’ll tell you, this will have multiple bids. We’re cash, but our Broker says “big deal”.
“Meet in middle?”
It’s a dance. They list high, you bid low, counters bounce back and forth, and if there is a meeting of the minds, you meet in the middle. Otherwise, just walk away and find another place you like.
You need to be prepared to walk away before you do anything. And I mean walk away entirely and permanently.
Just say NO to real estate transactions that are not in your interest to close.
And consider leaving your wife out of the discussion…
unless you are the wife, of course.
Yeah, I am the wife.
We’ve been hunting for
3 years. Kicked more housing
tires then we ever planned to.
Hubby has a cap.
I think it will meet
$5K higher. I don’t
think is he negotiable.
Well see, when the
“yankee doodling” stops. LOL
‘We hope to meet them 1/2 way.’
All I can tell you is they won’t see it this way. They want to maximize the return. So lets say asking is 100, you offer 80, they might come back at 99. Don’t be fooled, they may eventually go to 85, but this is the bluff, massaging the end game. It depends on how they feel about the strength of their position. And conversely, what you do is how you feel about the strength of yours. Meeting halfway or some reasonable concept isn’t how they operate. Time on market signals the weakness on their side. My experience is that they will usually take 90% of asking if there aren’t other offers. Like I said, don’t leave money on the table; it doesn’t cost anything to haggle.
Don’t forget; they didn’t buy this house and have never been inside it. They have no idea what it’s worth.
It also doesn’t cost anything to drop strong hints you will walk if they won’t come down to a reasonable offer.
Unfortunately, there is no dialog between the seller/buyer with foreclosures. It’s offer, counter-offer. A little attitude can be discerned here and there, but it’s put up or shut up (on both sides, BTW). I can’t say if that’s how it should be or not, but it is the reality of how things are done.