April 25, 2012

Now Or Never

The Mercury News reports from California. “Sales of all types of homes in the Bay Area in March were up 35 percent, to 7,694 homes from February and up 9 percent since March 2011. The median price was virtually unchanged. Agents are reporting multiple offers on both sides of the bay. One home in Cupertino received 50 offers before the seller accepted a bid of slightly more than $1 million. ‘Inventory’s low,’ said Don Orason of Intero Almaden. He said that’s because not only are fewer homes being offered for sale, but they are snapped up almost the minute they go on the market.”

“‘People are finally waking up to the fact that we probably hit bottom and they better get in while the rates are low,’ said Paul Ward of Keller Williams in Danville.”

“Cheryl and Ken Mensing bought their first house this month after 28 years in a mobile home. There were nine bids on the 4-bedroom, 2-bath foreclosure in the Santa Teresa area of San Jose listed at $429,000. The couple won with a bid of $442,000. Mensing said she and her husband saw prices edging up and decided that the stars were aligned for ‘a leap of faith’ into the housing market. ‘The prices finally came into where we could actually afford them and get into the market,’ she said. ‘The interest rates were so low, so we thought this is the time — now or never. We just closed our eyes and jumped.’”

The Signal. “The dwindling inventory is leading to bidding wars over homes, local Realtors said. ‘It’s crazy right now,’ said Tom Delgado, Realtor with Keller Williams VIP Properties in Valencia. ‘Here you are in these tough economic times, yet at same time, in the range from the $200,000 mark all the way up to the $650,000 range, you’re fighting competition,’ he said.”

“But sellers won’t see the rapid price accelerations they saw during the real estate bubble. Many buyers may be limited by the amount of money they were prequalified to spend, and if they offer more on a home, they will have to come up with the difference out of their own pocket, Delgado said. Another hurdle is that property appraisals often will no longer support the higher sales price. ‘We are now in a trough where it will take four to six years before the market will elevate up,’ Delgado said.”

The Burbank Leader. “Christopher Rizzotti, president of the Burbank Assn. of Realtors, said that among the declining number of homes on the market, most are selling in the $400,000 to $500,000 range. ‘Because of the low inventory, it’s created a frenzy for buyers who are trying to lock in at great interest rates,’ said Rizzotti. ‘Everything we’re involved with right now is multiple offers.’ Once the hiring picture improves, ‘we’re going to see our real estate market really take off,’ he said.”

KFSN TV Fresno. “The first four months of 2012 is proving to be a bounce back year for local home builders. There are new communities springing up everywhere. Granville Homes is in the midst of building four new communities in Fresno County. In the first quarter alone, the company is seeing a 70-percent spike in home sales compared to this time last year. Granville Homes President, Darius Assemi told Action News, ‘Most of our communities are almost sold out. So much that we’re concerned that we’re going to have a shortage of lots in the Fresno area.’”

Bakersfield Californian. “Home shopper Dian Schneider was four houses in on a whirlwind tour of local homes for sale Friday when her real estate agent issued her a warning. ‘Now if you like this one you’ll need to move today because there are already two offers on it, and they’re both above list price,’ said Anna Hernandez of McKinzie Nielsen Real Estate. ‘They’re not crazy high, but you’ll have to go in high, too, if you’re serious about it.’”

“There are plenty of existing homes, but many of them are in the hands of banks that are reluctant to dump their massive shadow inventory all at once. That would drive down the prices not only of those assets, but of other homes with outstanding mortgages banks hold that could be driven into default in another market collapse. ‘It’s in their best interest to let these houses out in drips and drabs to maintain their value,’ said Stuart Gabriel, a professor of finance at UCLA and director of the university’s Ziman Center for Real Estate.”

The Record.net. “Five years after the housing bubble burst and San Joaquin County became a poster child for the mortgage meltdown, the region continues to struggle economically with some of the highest default rates in the nation and nearly no new construction. Douglass Eberhardt, CEO of Bank of Stockton, agreed that the real estate sector continues to struggle. And that situation is likely to continue as major mortgage holders - major banks and Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae - slowly process their troubled loans.”

“‘They’re dribbling out their foreclosures; it just prolongs the length of the recession,’ Eberhardt said.”

The Press Enterprise. “Real estate analysts and people who work in the field say that banks and other lenders that have taken over foreclosed properties are reluctant to sell them, which is slowing up sales. Jane Blesch, owner of Blesch & Associates Trademark Properties, a Redlands-based brokerage, called the market ’slow as molasses’ right now, and said the banks, by holding onto properties, are not helping.”

“Rich Simonin, co-owner of Westcoe Realtors in Riverside, said agrees that there is not enough inventory. ‘The banks have still not put many of their foreclosures on the market. We don’t even know where they are,’ Simonin said. ‘I’ve stopped trying to figure the banks out.’”

“Steve Johnson, Riverside director of MetroStudy, said banks and other lenders are being cautious. There are government programs in the works to allow homeowners to reset loan terms under certain conditions, and the banks are also developing pools of properties for investors. ‘They’re waiting to see if these programs will have an effect,’ Johnson said.”

“A Riverside family who moved back into their home in December after being evicted by lenders has five days to vacate the property, according to a ruling in Riverside County Superior Court. ‘We’re not asking for anything special,’ Arturo de los Santos said after the hearing. ‘We just want the bank to give us a new contract.’”

“Brad German, a spokesman for Freddie Mac, said the foreclosure and previous eviction processes were lawfully completed and the mortgage has been extinguished. Obtaining a new Freddie Mac mortgage after a foreclosure would require seven years of re-established credit history. ‘This is the only way to reduce further losses on a mortgage that hasn’t been paid in more than two-and-a-half years,’ German said after Friday’s hearing.”

The Contra Costa Times. “When William Quintana tried to take advantage of a federal program that helps homeowners lower their mortgage payments, he never imagined it would land him in bankruptcy and on the verge of losing his house to foreclosure. But that’s exactly what happened after the Antioch resident and his wife applied for a loan modification through the federal Home Assistance Modification Program, or HAMP.”

“‘They say owning a home is the American dream, but it’s become the American nightmare,’ said Quintana, a plumber. ‘I’m not a failure or a loser. I’m a complete victim.’”

The Sacramento Bee. “‘At the low end of the market, there is a feeding frenzy going on in Sacramento,’ said Robert Machado, president of HomePointe, a local company that manages rental properties. Rick Lunsford bought several rental properties for the first time in 2009. A home Lunsford bought in Natomas for $235,000 in 2009 is likely worth $190,000 today, he said. ‘I thought we were at the bottom then, but we weren’t.’”

The Glendale News Press. “The dwindling number of houses up for sale is still impacting the local real estate market as the number of condominiums on the market plummeted by 70% last month compared to March 2011, according to the latest figures. The low housing inventory is creating a frenzy among buyers who are trying to snatch up houses because interest rates are low and median prices have been declining, which results in greater housing affordability, said Shannon Cistulli, president of the Glendale Assn. of Realtors.”

“Some homeowners who must move are opting to vacate their homes and rent them until the real estate market picks up again, said Cistulli, who is also branch manager of Dilbeck Real Estate in Glendale. Meanwhile, median sale prices for homes and condos continued to tumble in March. The median price for a single-family home dropped from $670,000 in March 2011 to $572,000 last month. Condos saw their median price edge down from $283,000 in March of last year to $253,000 last month.”

“In La Cañada, the median price of a home dropped to $900,000 last month, compared to almost $1.2 million in March 2011. The number of homes for sale decreased by about 35.5%, from 104 in March 2011 to 67 last month. The ratio of distressed sales compared to total sales continued to be more than one-third, coming in at around 40% last month compared to almost 42% during March 2011. ‘The big question is, ‘What happens next?’ said Realtor Keith Sorem with Keller Williams of Glendale.”

The North County Times. “After watching the value of their homes slide through most of 2011, many homeowners pulled their properties off the market this year. At the same time, local foreclosure rates dropped, reducing the number of bank-owned properties on the market. The resulting drop in inventory has left buyers competing for the few remaining properties, steadying prices, Realtors and other observers said.”

“The median house price in North San Diego County hit $415,000 in February, down 3.8 percent from February 2011. In Riverside County, the median home price in February hit $193,000, down 1 percent from the year before, according to DataQuick. ‘The biggest problem I see now is inventory,’ said Bob Nielsen, a Carlsbad real estate agent. ‘A lot of people that are underwater are waiting to sell.’”




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Comment by SV guy
2012-04-25 04:59:36

Things have definitely picked up around here imo. Some anecdotal evidence.

There are a lot of construction projects starting and on the books.

Home prices, at least where I’m at, are up.

Commute traffic is way up.

Certainly the structural defects in our economy haven’t been addressed so any “recovery” is artificial. I believe the vast amounts of fiat being blown into the system are taking root.

Oh, and the Titanic Band is still taking requests.

Off to work.

Comment by Bad Andy
2012-04-25 07:04:02

“I believe the vast amounts of fiat being blown into the system are taking root.”

You may be onto something there. Even as “hard” as it is to get a mortgage, FHA, Fannie (HomePath), and Freddie (HomeSteps) will get you into a home for 3.5% or less out of pocket and even that can be a gift. They’ll also do 50% DTI ratio on these loans…scary!

The real problem is without real recovery on the jobs and income side of things this is just artificial until someone decides to stop propping the market with government funny money. Once that happens it could get really ugly.

Comment by ahansen
2012-04-25 09:04:27

It hard not to notice that all this recent blather in the press about “low inventory” and “high activity levels” coincides EXACTLY with the coming NAR convention/rally in Washington DC; a concerted campaign– some might call it a conspiracy– to flood the news cycle and drum up buzz in advance of the flood of foreclosures about to hit the market this summer.

PBS Newshour is doing an excellent series on the housing bubble in the broader context this week. It’s finally beginning to sink into our policy-makers that this is not something that can be “fixed,” only managed.

Comment by Professor Bear
2012-04-25 13:26:19

“…in advance of the flood of foreclosures about to hit the market this summer.”

Why do you expect foreclosures to flood the market this summer?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2012-04-25 21:13:26

Was it this article, perhaps?

Just remember, a closely-watched pot never boils over.

Tidal wave of foreclosed homes about to flood U.S. market

Bloomberg News Apr 3, 2012 – 11:46 AM ET
Justin Sullivan/Getty Images

Sales of repossessed properties probably will rise 25% this year from 1 million in 2011, according to Moody’s Analytics Inc.

By Kathleen M. Howley

As many as 1.25 million of America’s least cared for homes are headed for auction after a year-long probe into foreclosure practices kept them off the market.

Sales of repossessed properties probably will rise 25% this year from 1 million in 2011, according to Moody’s Analytics Inc. Prices for the homes could drop as much as 10% because they deteriorated as they were held in reserve during investigations by state officials resolved in February, according to RealtyTrac Inc. That month, 43% of foreclosures were delinquent for two or more years, from a 21% share in 2010, according to Lender Processing Services Inc. in Jacksonville, Florida.

“The longer a foreclosed home is in the mill, the bigger the losses,” said Todd Sherer, who manages distressed mortgage investments for Dalton Investments LLC, a Los Angeles-based hedge fund that oversees US$1.5-billion. “We have a bulge of these properties coming through the system.”

Homes stockpiled less than a year sell for about 35% below the value set by lenders, according to a March 15 report by the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland. At two years, the loss is close to 60%. A surge of cheap foreclosures may erode prices in the broader real estate market, even as the economy expands and residential building increases, said Karl Case, one of the creators of the S&P/Case-Shiller home-price index.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-04-25 05:16:19

“already two offers on it, and they’re both above list price”

Let’s enjoy watching the echo manias until there are no unlearned unbroken suckers left.

Comment by combotechie
2012-04-25 05:40:36

No dollar shall be allowed to escape.

Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2012-04-25 05:58:12

“All your dollar are belong to us!!”

 
 
Comment by Young Deezy
2012-04-25 08:29:56

Good to see I’m not the only one who thinks this is some sort of Echo Bubble.

Comment by Central Valley Guy
2012-04-25 08:36:50

All of this has happened before. And will happen again.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2012-04-25 09:05:55

No matter how one categorizes it, at the root of a mania is belief in the idea of easy riches from an asset that always increases in price. IMO, that idea hasn’t been extinguished. It happened in Australia, China and Canada, spurred on by govt policy (sound familiar?). And we recently heard of Asians pouring in to the Bay Area housing market. Other than that, just look at Facebook and Groupon.

Comment by oxide
2012-04-25 10:13:41

So what will the bottom look like as the echo bubble pops? Will prices return to 2011 levels, or will they cause the ultimate bottom to bottom out even worse?

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Comment by Carl Morris
2012-04-25 10:46:56

Personally I keep waiting for the real bottom which I expect to be much worse, at least where I am.

 
Comment by polly
2012-04-25 11:54:25

You can’t know that unless you know what is going to happen in the policy world?

If money remains loose, but jobs are still impossible to find except in a few limited areas, then we will see the long slog.

If government backed money is yanked out of the system (no more 3.5% downpayment loans) then we will have a crash that will go way below the one we already had in some areas.

I don’t see a Romney Whitehouse leading the way to yanking the government money from housing. He talked about it a little, but reversed himself as soon as the campaign went to Florida. But he might have a hard time fighting it if the House and Senate brought something forward.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2012-04-25 21:15:53

I am pretty sure that by now, Romney has figured out that housing market extend-and-pretend = votes. Since that remark in Las Vegas about letting housing “find a bottom” bit him in the back of the neck, he hasn’t made any similar remarks, to my knowledge.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2012-04-25 13:28:09

“It happened in Australia, China and Canada, spurred on by govt policy (sound familiar?).”

So long as governments are eagerly helping to fulfill the belief that easy riches await those who buy houses, what could possibly go wrong?

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Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2012-04-25 05:59:16

‘The biggest problem I see now is inventory,’ said Bob Nielsen, a Carlsbad real estate agent. ‘A lot of people that are underwater are waiting to sell.’”

What a great plan! Lets all do it together!

Comment by Realtors Are Parasites®
2012-04-25 06:13:24

Why wait? For sellers, todays price is their best price for a decade or more.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2012-04-25 06:32:47

How about we all wait together until those Case-Shiller/S&P numbers, which keep falling month after month, start going up a little bit, then all dump our homes we have been waiting to sell on the market at the same time?

Comment by Bad Andy
2012-04-25 07:05:10

Time for a nationwide short sale!

Comment by In Colorado
2012-04-25 10:03:46

We could hold it on Memorial Day!

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Comment by Professor Bear
2012-04-25 13:31:11

Not until after the nationwide principle write down, though…

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Comment by Realtors Are Parasites®
2012-04-25 06:22:17

So there is an ongoing mania in the bay area while the rest of the state moves to lower, sane pricing(not there yet).

But the Housing Crime Syndicate cherrypicks the Bay area to substantiate their false assertion that prices are headed up and worse yet, suggest that inflated prices is good thing.

When will the words of realtors and their minions ever be truthful and thoughtful?

Ever?

Comment by Ben Jones
2012-04-25 07:02:07

From the second MN link:

‘The variation between neighborhoods is evident in San Jose, where one ZIP code (95116) bordering the city’s east side had home values in February that were still 52 percent below the Bay Area’s peak in April 2006, while another (95129) in West San Jose was only 11 percent under.’

‘To the north, in the upscale areas from Mountain View to Menlo Park, two Los Altos ZIP codes (94022 and 94024) are 5.6 and 3.7 percent below their highest point. One ZIP (94306) in Palo Alto is back at its peak. Parts of San Francisco are within 15 percent or less of their highest values before the bubble burst.’

This guy even mentions the bubble. Oh yeah, let’s go back there! And this:

‘The Bay Area’s recovery from the housing crash is proceeding ZIP code by ZIP code, with only a few upscale communities nearing the values they saw before the bubble popped five years ago. It may take another three to five years for the entire region to return to a healthy housing market, one that sees prices go up every year in most areas’

See, the bubble was healthy!

Comment by Bad Andy
2012-04-25 07:09:25

Bubble 2.0 like HARP 2.0?

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-04-25 09:14:30

Zillow is finally estimating values with both the low-end to high-end guesses. It’s fascinating to see the mark-to-market and wishing prices juxtaposed with the last selling prices. Here are a couple I’ve been following, the first in South Lake Tahoe (outside bay area,) the second in Malibu:

Est. Range
$409,400 $278K – $540K Originally sold for $600 in 2005

$1,389,500 $736K – $1.85M Originally sold for $600 in 1995

 
Comment by Rusty1014
2012-04-25 18:35:47

I just looked at some listings in downtown San Francisco. Here’s an eye opener, I and the missus can fly R/T first class to SFO, and stay in a club level room, at the Ritz Carlton on Nob Hill, for $14,000 a MONTH. About the monthly payment for a modest home in the neighborhood of the hotel. No taxes, no insurance, no maintenance. What’s in the water out there?

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2012-04-25 06:31:07

‘The interest rates were so low, so we thought this is the time — now or never. We just closed our eyes and jumped.’

Desperate strokes for desperate folks…

Comment by combotechie
2012-04-25 06:43:09

Most likely the largest financial commitment they will make in their lifetimes, hence “We just closed our eyes and jumped”.

Comment by Ben Jones
2012-04-25 07:04:44

And then:

‘We’re not asking for anything special. We just want the bank to give us a new contract. I’m not a failure or a loser. I’m a complete victim’

 
Comment by Bad Andy
2012-04-25 07:16:15

If you’re only shopping based on today’s monthly payment it’s not the worst strategy. Unfortunately these people are falling into the same trap I did. It’s not just a monthly payment. It’s what is this home worth in real dollars? It’s what will happen to the neighborhood in 5 years or beyond? It’s what will happen when they raise my property taxes?

Closing your eyes and jumping can put you at the bottom of an empty pool.

Comment by Rental Watch
2012-04-25 08:47:34

That’s Prop 13 for you…they can only raise your property taxes by 2% per year.

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Comment by ahansen
2012-04-25 09:16:37

1%
(plus special assessments.)

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-04-25 09:19:13

Oops, misread. I stand corrected, 2% raise on the original 1% assessment. Sorry RW.

 
Comment by Bad Andy
2012-04-25 10:48:08

That is until it’s repealed due to some type of fiscal emergency.

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-04-25 11:20:49

Public sector unions have tried that a dozen times. State pols know that the only thing that will get repealed is the state pol that supports repeal.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-04-25 14:36:53

I think what could gain traction is a reform of Prop 13 whereby it only applies to primary residences.

No benefit to investors;
No benefit to out of state folks who have a second home in CA (but don’t live in CA long enough each year to be paying CA income taxes).

 
Comment by Robin
2012-04-25 17:10:45

RW: I wholly endorse that!

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-04-25 20:51:31

Me too Robin. I once suggested it to my Mother-in-Law. She couldn’t hear past “change prop 13″, and started to rail into how she would have lost her house if it weren’t for prop 13, etc.

Once she heard “change prop 13″, her brain shut down and she stopped listening. This is the challenge with the populace.

It’s the same problem I have when I say “Social Security or Medicare needs fixing”. No one listens past the opening remark.

I’m now a “starve the beast” proponent. The only way we will get reform is if people realize that the status quo doesn’t work. The only way people realize that the status quo doesn’t work is if the government is no longer there to hand out the cheese.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2012-04-25 06:38:28

“The median house price in North San Diego County hit $415,000 in February, down 3.8 percent from February 2011.”

A 3.8 percent decline in the value of a home now worth $415,000 implies a drop in value of (3.8/(100-3.8))*$415,000 = $16,393. I guess that amount is small change to a wealthy North County San Diegan, but I would rather not be out that kind of money in exchange for the privilege of membership in the Ownership Society.

Comment by Anon In DC
2012-04-25 17:36:15

It’s a paper loss. Might even lower property taxes.

 
 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-04-25 08:01:51

“‘People are finally waking up to the fact that we probably hit bottom and they better get in while the rates are low,’ said Paul Ward of Keller Williams in Danville.”

Because when interest rates go up there’s no way prices could go even lower.

But I must admit that at this moment it would appear that the plan is to never let rates go up no matter what.

Comment by oxide
2012-04-25 10:25:32

Agree. Accounting tricks at low interest rates will allow banks to keep their reserves up so that they can short-sell their inventory in dribbles, taking the balance sheet hits in dribbles. End result: a very shallow long-lasting bottom.

Comment by Carl Morris
2012-04-25 10:48:15

If they can keep it this shallow I’d expect it to last longer than I’ll be in the market for a house.

 
 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-04-25 08:44:33

The comment: “There are new communities springing up everywhere.” is hogwash.

The number of active communities in the Bay Area is 40% of where it was in 2007 (and down year on year).

The number of active communities farther inland (Central Valley, including Fresno) is 25% of where it was in 2007 (and down year on year).

There are more people looking in 2012 to buy new homes as compared to 2011, but it’s a small increase overall…it seems like a lot more, because there are fewer open communities to drive by. 110 people spread over 40 communities seems like a heck of a lot more than 100 over 50 communities, even though the increase is marginal.

I can say there is more interest from people to buy though. A couple of friends of mine who were renting through the bubble, have either bought, or are now looking to buy. The one looking to buy was just outbid on a property in SF. He says it’s madness, but not willing to overpay since he may need to move for his wife’s work.

A colleague’s son is looking to buy in less expensive neighborhoods (Sunnyvale/Santa Clara), and he is finding that banks are only selling REO to people who can close all-cash, and while he has found a way to come up with the money necessary for the right priced house, he is getting outbid. His next option is to move east if he wants to own.

According to another gentleman, rents in the Bay Area are at 110% of peak…that number surprised me. I knew rents were rising, I didn’t realize that according to him they were that high.

 
Comment by 2banana
2012-04-25 08:51:40

The irony in lost on Arturo de los Santos…

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“A Riverside family who moved back into their home in December after being evicted by lenders has five days to vacate the property, according to a ruling in Riverside County Superior Court. ‘We’re not asking for anything special,’ Arturo de los Santos said after the hearing. ‘We just want the bank to give us a new contract.’”

‘This is the only way to reduce further losses on a mortgage that hasn’t been paid in more than two-and-a-half years,’ German said after Friday’s hearing.”

 
Comment by wittbelle
2012-04-25 10:00:10

“Mensing said she and her husband saw prices edging up and decided that the stars were aligned for ‘a leap of faith’ into the housing market.”

I don’t know about you guys, but this is how I like to make all of my major life-changing decisions: marriage, divorce, child-bearing, all of them! I just look at the stars to see if they are aligned (’cause I know what that looks like), and take that leap of faith! It can’t end badly, can it?

Comment by In Colorado
2012-04-25 10:02:11

Heck, it can end badly even when you look before you leap.

 
Comment by oxide
2012-04-25 10:31:45

What struck me was the “28 years in a mobile home.” These folks are buying $442K house in their late 50’s. I wonder how much they put down. They could have held off another 4-5 years and Oil Citied* when they retired.

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*Gosh, I sound worse than dear ol’ ByeFl, hawking Oil City every day. But I strongly believe that one should own a paid-off house by retirement, even if you have to move to a shack in podunk.

Comment by Carl Morris
2012-04-25 10:49:48

Or just stay in the trailer you’ve been in already for 28 years. That’s shaping up to be my worst case scenario.

 
Comment by Robin
2012-04-25 17:17:05

Oxide,

Can you suggest “Oil City” equivalents in Southern California, or is that an oxymoron??

Comment by ahansen
2012-04-26 00:26:53

I’m in one in the Southern Sierra about 2.5 hours out of westside LA. (But you’re on the cusp of Central Valley here, 93518.)

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-04-25 13:54:21

“…what’s going to happen in the future.”

More overbuilding on top of 10M homes in the shadow inventory pipeline, in response to government-sponsored price support?

April 25, 2012, 8:41 a.m. EDT
Permits push signals U.S. housing boom

Anton Kreil is a former Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan trader…

By Anton Kreil

Could this be the summer that the U.S. housing market provides a once-in-a-decade buying opportunity?

Take a look at the SPDR S&P Home Builders ETF XHB +2.00% , which has been on a tear since breaking out of its low range in mid-October. It hit a low of $12.55 in early October, before breaking out above $15.00.

Now it is trading at $20.50.

That’s a 63% rally off the lows and a 36% rally from the breakout level. Either is a phenomenal return in six months. But is the rally real? Is the U.S. housing market in recovery mode? Is there still an opportunity to be long? From what I can see, the answers to these questions is yes, yes and yes!

What do I use to get to this conclusion? U.S. authorized building permits. The market seems to always focus on housing starts. I never understand why. Housing starts are a coincident macroeconomic indicator. Meaning that the number gives you an indication as to what is happening in the U.S. housing market at an aggregate level right now. Building permits are a leading indicator and tell you what’s going to happen in the future.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-04-25 14:00:47

It’s as though the bubble never happened, the government is not actively trying to support home prices, and buying real estate is a sure path to riches.

What happened to the post-bubble period where everyone wakes up from the hangover and realizes that it makes no sense for individual U.S. households to gamble on buying individual residential properties as investments?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-04-25 14:28:35

WT Economist asked yesterday about what was different about Atlanta. I met a fellow today who was there back in the early 2000s. He apparently has lots of friends who turned into accidental landlords, as they are neck-deep in investment properties that are underwater. The plan is to hold on to these rentals until the market comes back and they can sell at a profit.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-04-25 14:51:32

I wish them luck on that “market coming back” thing. Not to mention that “selling at a profit” thing.

They may be holding on to a sinking ship.

2012-04-25 16:04:50

The ship has sunk.

Between demographics, student loans and the current policy which encourages even more oversupply, there’s no chance whatsoever of the ship rising from its watery grave.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-04-25 16:49:00

It’s amazing to me that the porcine beauticians don’t get this. Are they trying to unload falling knives on unsuspecting greater fools or something?

 
2012-04-25 16:57:26

Yes.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by BetterRenter
2012-04-25 16:59:50

We at the HBB had better prepare for the influx of the same sort of cheerleaders we’d seen in the expanding housing balloon. People who flip housing in good areas to each other, will come here to suppress our understanding that such mini-markets are greatly the exceptions to the rule.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-04-25 17:15:12

I’ve been a HBB-er since 2006. Have seen the cheerleaders get smacked down more than once. It’s rather entertaining.

Comment by Professor Bear
2012-04-25 21:22:55

It’s cyclical. The serial bottom callers come out of hibernation every January, to tell the world that this is the year that housing will find a bottom. Come late summer, they backpedal their predictions, acknowledging that housing turned out “worse than expected.” Come winter, they go back into hibernation, only to return early the following year with new predictions for a bottom “by the end of this year.”

You can bet your bottom dollar they will continue this every year from now until the one this stopped-clock prediction proves true. At that point, they will loudly proclaim their forecasting success to anyone who will listen.

Comment by Professor Bear
2012-04-25 21:25:16

Home Prices in U.S. Will `Bounce Along the Bottom,’ Case Says: Tom Keene
By John Gittelsohn and Tom Keene - Nov 30, 2010 1:40 PM PT

U.S. home prices are unlikely to fall much further in the next year even after a “discouraging” report on values in September, said Karl E. Case, the co-creator of the S&P/Case-Shiller Index.

“If I were betting even odds, I’d bet that we don’t have much further decline, but that we bounce along the bottom,” Case, a retired professor of economics at Wellesley College, said today in a Bloomberg Television interview on “Surveillance Midday” with Tom Keene. “If you gave me 2-to-1 odds, I’d bet they go down.”

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Comment by Professor Bear
2012-04-25 21:44:41

Another 10% price drop ahead doesn’t sound much to me like “bouncing along the bottom.” 10% of the value of a $500,000 San Diego starter home amounts to $50,000 — pretty close to the median income for San Diego households, and possibly higher than the median income if you include unemployed households in the income distribution and consider after-tax (take home) rather than pre-tax income.

Of course, the 10% decline prediction is for the overall U.S. price level; areas formerly known to be “a bit frothy,” such as Coastal California, may see larger price declines.

I note that the big drops in foreclosure home prices will show up as a big hit on the Case-Shiller home price index, which assumes that homes sold more than once are of comparable quality each time they sell. Homes in foreclosure often aren’t.

Home Prices Seen Dropping 10% in U.S. on Foreclosures: Mortgages
Kathleen M. Howley
Tuesday, April 3, 2012

April 3 (Bloomberg) — As many as 1.25 million of America’s least cared for homes are headed for auction after a year-long probe into foreclosure practices kept them off the market.

Sales of repossessed properties probably will rise 25 percent this year from 1 million in 2011, according to Moody’s Analytics Inc. Prices for the homes could drop as much as 10 percent because they deteriorated as they were held in reserve during investigations by state officials resolved in February, according to RealtyTrac Inc. That month, 43 percent of foreclosures were delinquent for two or more years, from a 21 percent share in 2010, according to Lender Processing Services Inc. in Jacksonville, Florida.

“The longer a foreclosed home is in the mill, the bigger the losses,” said Todd Sherer, who manages distressed mortgage investments for Dalton Investments LLC, a Los Angeles-based hedge fund that oversees $1.5 billion. “We have a bulge of these properties coming through the system.”

Homes stockpiled less than a year sell for about 35 percent below the value set by lenders, according to a March 15 report by the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland. At two years, the loss is close to 60 percent. A surge of cheap foreclosures may erode prices in the broader real estate market, even as the economy expands and residential building increases, said Karl Case, one of the creators of the S&P/Case-Shiller home-price index.

‘Complete Losses’

“The question on these aging foreclosures is how many are going to be sold and affect prices and how many will be complete losses,” said Case, professor emeritus at Wellesley College in Wellesley, Massachusetts. “Depending on their condition, they could have a big impact on home prices.”

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-04-25 21:59:33

Have you heard about how “All real estate is local”?

How about that “All Realtors® are morons”?

Have Housing Prices Bottomed Out?

Amy Fontinelle, provided by
Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Are we finally starting to recover from the housing crisis? Everyone seems to have an opinion, but the facts present a mixed picture.

All Real Estate Is Local

“You’ve undoubtedly heard that ‘all real estate is local,’ and that’s never been more true,” says first-time homebuyer specialist and California real estate broker Greg Cook.

The Miami real estate market is a great example of this aphorism.

“When housing inventory hits six months or less, we have a healthy market. In Miami, we are at as low as two months inventory in some neighborhoods,” says Sep Niakan, managing broker of HB Roswell Realty in Miami Beach, Fla. “That is not a recovering market, that is a booming one,” he says.

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Comment by sonomabluto
2012-04-25 18:48:38

the frenzy is real where I live (Santa Rosa, CA) at least …I sold my place in Mendocino Co. back in 2007 thanks partly to what I learned here way back then…banked the profits but have been trying to buy again this year as locally it costs about what rent does these days. Have been beat by cash offers twice now, learned how sleazy flippers are, etc, very discouraging and have heard similar stories from others….at present people who are attempting to buy houses for the right reason (TO LIVE IN) are having a hard time here.

Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-04-25 23:01:31

I would imagine even the short sellers will take the highest CASH offer over a higher FHA or Conventional, there’s a much higher degree of certainty that the deal will close. Finance buyers do not stand much of a chance right now unless they buy new.

Comment by sonomabluto
2012-04-26 12:19:54

yep, that is what is happening in my town, lots of specuvestors, scavengers and flippers out there paying cash, am about to hang it up and continue renting. At the very least am going to drop my buyers agent and if I do decide to make any more offers will deal directly with the listing agent…might have some chance of my offer being pushed since the commission will not be split. When I started looking many months ago I naively thought having cash for a big down payment and a preapproved loan for more than I need would put me in a strong position…

 
 
 
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