May 2, 2012

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Comment by Overtaxed
2012-05-02 05:01:06

“The problem seems to be more dire on Florida’s west coast, where, for example, All Children’s Hospital in St. Petersburg reported that 30 percent of its NICU babies are suffering from NAS. One or two a month are delivered at St. Mary’s, Wingkun estimates.”

Good god, what is the matter with these people. I fear for the future of this country with the way our “breeding” is going. The higher your IQ, the more likely (it seems, I don’t have the research to support this) you are to have no/few children. We are breeding for lack of intelligence. Does this mean, 1000 years from now, that we will have less intelligent people than we do today? If so, that’s a very scary thought.

BTW, I don’t equate drug abuse (note that I didn’t say “use”) with intelligence. But, in many cases, they correlate closely, especially when you’re talking about pregnant women who continue to use drugs.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-02 05:30:39

‘Good god, what is the matter with these people. I fear for the future of this country with the way our “breeding” is going.’

You are forgetting to factor in different mortality rates for different groups of individuals. It is indeed sad that babies are born addicted to opiates, but I can assure you that demographic factors will limit the future share of the U.S. population comprised of these individuals and their parents.

 
Comment by goon squad
2012-05-02 05:43:57

Idiocracy at work :)

Comment by In Colorado
2012-05-02 05:54:57

That was the premise of the movie.

Comment by goon squad
2012-05-02 07:42:57

It’s all part of America’s inevitable 3rd world future. Forty years from now when US population is 400 million, 350 million of them will be Lucky Ducky working poor. The 1%er pigmen don’t need a middle class, they need the Lucky Duckies to stay fat and happy down on the plantation. High fructose corn syrup (Brawndo) and cable TV (Ow! My Balls) are doing just that to keep them fat and happy, and if not happy then too stupid and apathetic to revolt against the plantation overseer…

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-05-02 12:15:32

cable TV (Ow! My Balls)

Now you’ve hit a nerve. The first season of “Ow! My Balls!”, IMO, was a groundbreaking advancement in the use of television in defining and presenting physical pain as one of the main existential components of being. And it was stunning in its impact.

Who can ever forget the opening and now famous “shuttlecock scene”? And how the “why?” seemed to even overshadow the “what?”. It was sublime.

However by the second season the producers, began to overly rely on larger and larger deliverers of said pain to continue to attempt to convey a message which unfortunately for the show, was even more powerful when conveyed in a more subtle, shall we say, in a more nuanced manner.

But having said that, I firmly believe that “Ow! My Balls!” along will “Lost” will go down as one of television’s most philosophically and existentially innovative series ever.

 
Comment by Anonymous Coward
2012-05-02 15:48:03

Coming out of lurker mode to say, “Bravo!”

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-05-02 23:14:07

Nice, Rio.

 
 
 
Comment by Spook
2012-05-02 08:20:16

“mongoloid he was a mongoloid, happier than you and me…”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZDl_R8Zp2E&feature=related

Comment by AV0CAD0
2012-05-02 11:32:57

a DEVO reference!!

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Comment by michael
2012-05-02 06:25:58

unrelated:

i always joke around that federal car seat laws are a “soft” population control device moreso than a safety issue.

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-05-02 06:38:16

“Idiocracy”

Ever see it?

Comment by Overtaxed
2012-05-02 07:13:50

I did. Horrible movie, interesting premise. And yes, this is exactly what I’m talking about. I’m not the only person who’s got to be looking at these kinds of statistics and thinking what the end result is going to be.

Could the next generation (or the one after that; or, has it already happened) be the first in history with a lower IQ than the current generation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ

Of the people I went to high school with, almost universally, the folks in the “Honors/AP” classes have 0-1 children. The ones in the remedial classes have 3-4+ children. And I’m sure my experience is not unique.

Comment by goirishgohoosiers
2012-05-02 08:23:10

I can’t find the cite, but I believe that there is some research out of England that IQ scores have been dropping among school aged children, the Flynn Effect notwithstanding.

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Comment by frankie
2012-05-02 09:54:18

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/4548943/British-teenagers-have-lower-IQs-than-their-counterparts-did-30-years-ago.html

Tests carried out in 1980 and again in 2008 show that the IQ score of an average 14-year-old dropped by more than two points over the period.

Among those in the upper half of the intelligence scale, a group that is typically dominated by children from middle class families, performance was even worse, with an average IQ score six points below what it was 28 years ago.

The trend marks an abrupt reversal of the so-called “Flynn effect” which has seen IQ scores rise year on year, among all age groups……

 
 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-05-02 09:52:29

Horrible movie

I’ll admit it ended weak, but I think the first half or so was genius, as are most things Mike Judge touches.

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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-05-02 10:20:39

Not only a natural decline. What I see is that it’s actually embraced! Mostly in the name of appearing to be badass.

Up on the mountain this weekend, knuckle draggers everywhere. Then, at the end of the day, ran into an attactive, articulate female with a ChemE sweatshirt and struck up some geek talk. So, there is hope….but not much.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-05-02 12:19:09

knuckle draggers everywhere.

This is why it’s great to move to a foreign country. Since you’ll be learning a new language, it will take you a few years to realize how dumb a lot of the people are.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Overtaxed
2012-05-02 07:16:45

Oh good god, here’s a scary thought:

“Some US police departments have set a maximum IQ score for new officers (for example: 125, in New London, CT), under the argument that those with overly-high IQs will become bored and exhibit high turnover in the job. This policy has been challenged as discriminatory, but upheld by at least one US District court. [70]“

Comment by In Colorado
2012-05-02 08:37:28

Well … they don’t want the jack booted thugs to start thinking, do they?

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-05-02 09:36:12

Well, looks like my grandfather the cop would be too smart for today’s police forces. According to my mother, he was a very bright guy.

 
 
Comment by AmazingRuss
2012-05-02 11:22:55

I won’t have kids for the simple reason that I’d be forcing them to live in a sea of morons, or become a hermit like I have, to avoid going on a shooting rampage.

The tide of stupid is coming in, and nothing can stop it.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-05-02 13:58:58

“The Tide of Stupid”

Perfect band or album name!

 
 
 
Comment by Hard Rain
2012-05-02 05:06:10

Time for that grubby little OWS outfit to return to Mom’s basement the invisible hand has everything under control.

At Liberty Mutual, accounting to no one

Before we get to the news today, and there is news today, I’d like to offer some unsolicited advice to Ted Kelly: Fire the advisers who coined the phrase “accounting issues’’ to justify your $50 million a year compensation package.

Seriously, off with their heads.

Accounting issues? Phantom stock? Make believe stock options? As Kelly explained this to the Globe’s Todd Wallack on Friday afternoon, he nonchalantly waved his hand around like he was trying to remember the name of his favorite new cheese at a gourmet shop in Osterville. What’s the big deal?

Here’s his problem, though: Phantom stock and phony options still add up to nearly $200 million in very real United States currency, all of which he took out of Liberty Mutual in his last four years as chief executive. Those “accounting issues’’ are also known as “bank deposits,’’ and nothing Kelly says, nothing he does, will change that.

The only phantom anything are the dividends that never got paid to the policyholders that actually own Liberty Mutual. What these owners got were rate hikes, while Boston and Massachusetts residents gave the company $46.5 million in tax breaks, all to help fund an utterly grotesque level of executive pay.

Which is why Kelly and the new chief executive, David Long, sounded a little north of ridiculous when they told Wallack (for the record, nobody over there calls me back) that Kelly’s absurd compensation payout was warranted by his performance. When exactly did we lose the concept that chief executives are expected to do well, and when they meet high expectations, they’re not supposed to be paid more in a day than 95 percent of their employees earn in a year?

Friday’s performance revealed that these guys are so out of touch that they truly, honestly believe they’re worth that million a week, or $192,000 a day, or $24,000 an hour - and can’t for the life of them imagine that you don’t. They actually believe the system is fair, the one they stacked with interlocking boards of directors of like-minded people paid a couple of hundred thousand dollars a year to approve each other’s pay.

http://articles.boston.com/2012-05-02/metro/31521297_1_phantom-stock-liberty-mutual-executive

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-05-02 06:42:54

Sounds like somebody has a problem with free market capitalism.

Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-05-02 20:57:11

I think it’s more personal greed and a lack of ethics. Not sure what the answer is, but it’s not communism. I am sure greedy bureaucrats will be much more ethical than corporate CEOs :roll:

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2012-05-02 06:53:37

Looks like reality is becomming the common wisdom.

Liberty Mutual has commercials on non-profit PBS. I know times are financially desperate for PBS, but this is who you get associated with when you accept commercials.

Comment by ahansen
2012-05-02 23:11:03

WT–

The pattern-seeking investor will note that when PBS Newshour gets a new sponsor, that entity is either preparing for a lawsuit or a merger. When NBR gets a new sponsor, we’re looking at a bankruptcy or a hostile buyout. Timeframe=60-90 days from first appearance.

Newshour just picked up a cod liver oil salesman. What does this tell us?

 
 
Comment by polly
2012-05-02 07:45:07

Phantom stock has been around for decades. At least since they changed the tax code so that income for execs in excess of $1 million had to be “incentive” (realated to share price or otherwise) or it wouldn’t be deductible by the corporation. Probably has been around even longer than that.

Having phantom shares means you get paid in cash whatever the increase in the share price has been multiplied by the number of phantom shares. The exec doesn’t have to deal with the sale of shares being restricted when he knows inside information and the corporation doesn’t have to deal with the having shares around to pass out to execs. It does however cost the company more real money than certain other forms of incentive compensation.

 
Comment by Steve J
2012-05-02 08:33:37

I love Wilford Brimley!

 
Comment by Muggy
2012-05-02 15:21:49

I scored a Lib Mut ad back in the day.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2012-05-02 05:17:11

Yesterday, from MikeinBend:

It is in my best interest to put the savings into a house so they don’t get taken by some other emergency in our lives. I agree but it seems strange to hear from the “stay away from housing” crew to buy a house; with all my savings mind you.

HBB is not the “stay away from housing” crew; we are more like the “stay away from mortgages” crew. I don’t think anyone on HBB has advocated against buying a house outright to live in it.* You need to make this distinction.

When you buy a house outright, you are NOT losing all of your savings, mind you. That money still exists, because you’re living in that money. You’re using that money to not pay rent. But what if you spend your savings on your magical college degree and still get no job? Then you really lost your savings. And guess what, the next day, you still have to pay the rent.

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*well there are exceptions. If you bought a house outright in 2005 then you overpaid. But even then you wouldn’t be in the hole; your pile would just be smaller.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-02 06:09:25

It’s the price. Repeat… it’s the price.

 
Comment by michael
2012-05-02 06:28:40

i have been wondering lately…in these dire times…is paying cash for a house the better choice?

if you can that is.

any thoughts?

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-02 06:33:31

Hell no!

Housing is a crowded trade with participants buying on margin.

Care to compete with that with your own cash? Fraught with risk is the only thing that comes to mind.

Comment by oxide
2012-05-02 06:49:08

Maybe, maybe not, RAL. I know you think housing is going to crater, but where, when, and by how much? Is it really worth it to undergo years of paying rent, or undergoing the stress of trying to time the market, just to save some 20% on the asking price? It’s a cash buy. You’re aren’t risking going BK, you’re just risking having a smaller pile than you expected, but you still have a pile.

By the way, if housing is a “crowded trade,” and participants have the ability to buy on margin, as you say, then that means that inventory is moving. If inventory is moving, then why would house prices crater? You’re contradicting yourself.

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-02 07:00:04

“Maybe, maybe not”???

Prices are falling my friend. I don’t have to *think* it. It’s reality.

Secondly, when 95% of market participants are buying on margin, It’s a crowded trade. Even though housing demand is at 15 year lows and falling. ;)

Third, a basic market function is that transactions accelerate as prices crater, ALWAYS.

Do I need to clarify any of your other misrepresentations?

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-05-02 07:01:40

He wants to buy a house for a song. And you can do that now, just not anyplace that’s desirable or where there are good paying jobs.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-05-02 07:07:57

Leverage raises prices. Take yourself for example. You couldn’t afford to actually buy a house at market prices. Neither could your neighbors. Price doesn’t have a natural level, it’s set by what people will pay. When debt is not constrained, people will pay a lot, but sometime in the future.

If debt becomes constrained, prices will crater. Turnover has nothing to do with setting price, it has to do with price discovery.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-02 07:18:19

What does that mean? A song? What are you implying? Price me an existing structure, break it down. Go on… proceed.

 
Comment by Overtaxed
2012-05-02 08:25:57

Buying with cash when you can get a deductible mortgage at 4% and then buy bonds that yield 6% tax fee makes about no sense at all to me.

 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-05-02 08:30:02

When debt is not constrained, people will pay a lot, but sometime in the future.

This was the core of the housing bubble. Bad loans. If government decides it will stop pumping money to Wall Street when it makes bad loans, then housing will return to a more sustainable, historic level. As it stands, government still encourages lenders to make loans which are unlikely to be repaid and then guarantees those loans. We’ve seen the government programs for greater than 100% LTV and the like.

Now, getting a dodgy loan is not as simple as it used to be - lenders must make some pretense about caring about the loan being repaid. But the low down, no down loans are still widely available, backed by government.

For me, what’s going to happen with housing price supports (welfare for Wall Street) will become clearer after the election and early next year.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-05-02 08:48:43

“What does that mean? A song? What are you implying?”

You know, your whole “Prices are gonna crater” mantra. They’ll crater where no one wants to live, in fact they already have. But the places where the good paying jobs are have remained stubbornly high, years into the bust. If you really want to believe that prices in places like the bay area are going to drop 70%, you go ahead and believe that.

What’s worse is that I fear we’ll see the bubble come back with a vengeance in such places (while Vegas and Phoenix languish in the desert) as the victims … er …buyers … are chomping at the bit to buy something … anything.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-02 09:00:04

Really?! Prices aren’t falling? Really? REALLY?

If you really believe the world is cast in stasis, you go ahead and believe that. If you prefer reality, take a look at the yesteryear’s “Bay Area” nirvana called Buffalo NY…. How about detroit? Cinncinati? Columbus? Newburgh, NY? Bridgeport CT? Waterbury CT? Camden NJ? Pittburgh PA? The list goes on my friend. Your misguided thought process of selecting a single place in time and anchoring to it is a part of the problem.

Are prices falling in DC? YUP

Are prices falling in SF? YUP

Are prices falling in NYC? YUP

At least verify your cherrypicked exception to the truth before calling it fact.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-05-02 10:01:51

He wants to buy a house for a song. And you can do that now, just not anyplace that’s desirable or where there are good paying jobs.

And that’s why I’m in a doublewide right now. It was the only exception I could find to that. I *am* in a desirable place (if you ignore the view of the other trailers out my window), and there *are* good paying jobs. But it was my only option I could find to avoid giving the 1% most of my take-home pay. Hopefully it’s just a temporary thing, but even if it’s not I think I’ll be better off at retirement, still living in my paid off trailer, than the result any of my other options will produce. If Mike can find a livable 100k stick house the same logic may apply to him.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-05-02 12:29:44

If Mike can find a livable 100k stick house the same logic may apply to him.

100K house to live in? Pay for cash? BK protected? Won’t spend the 100K on something else? No monthly rent? No monthly mortgage? Garden? Fix it up? Improve it? Paint the walls some crazy color like purple? Even beige if you’re wild!

Who cares if it “drops” 40 K? 40K is just 3-4 years rent on a place like that no?

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-05-02 14:19:52

I think Polly’s point about protecting his money from bankruptcy was valid, and that’s about the only way to do it.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-02 22:52:43

“It’s a cash buy. You’re aren’t risking going BK, you’re just risking having a smaller pile than you expected, but you still have a pile.”

RU one of those ladies who, like my wife, complains if your hubby buys the $6 bottle of wine instead of the $5 bottle, but doesn’t worry much about decisions which could cost you $100Ks?

By the way, for $100K, you could buy 20,000 $5 bottles of wine. That would be way more than I could consume over the course of a lifetime.

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-05-02 06:58:16

Easy credit is part of the war on savers.

If you compete with eager debt slaves, you will throw a lot of cash in the trash. The place to deploy cash is where credit is not available.

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Comment by oxide
2012-05-02 07:13:09

But credit is available for everything, blue. I compete with credit when I want to pay cash for toothpaste.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-05-02 08:21:57

You may be onto something there.

If one continues along that line of thought, one might conclude that the entire pricing structure of our lifestyles is rigged by half a century of easy credit. Prices are not based on the reality of what we earn at all, rather what we can borrow (or what the next guy can borrow). One might arrive at the thought that it is an increasingly fragile system.

One might seek to not be trapped within the fragile parts. Might.

 
Comment by oxide
2012-05-02 08:43:06

Agree, blue.

The question is, which part of the system is the least fragile:

1. Losing 20% by buying a house outright a little before the housing bottom
2. Competing with credit in getting a mortgage
3. Competing with credit (and government cheese) while paying rent

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-05-02 09:18:24

Oxy, you are engaging me politely like this was a discussion in which you hope to gain some insight. I believe that you are coiling to defend your cemented idea though….

Answer: 4; none of the above.

5: Paying interest is years of your life in the trash.

6: Delusion Central (DC) will fall last and hardest.

7: Consider a multi decade deleveraging lies ahead and housing will depreciate each and every year for longer than you can hold back the tears.

8: Do not pay 4x construction costs for a fashionable stick box.

9: Shower with a friend. Spend half as much.

The least fragile is out of the mainstream of group think and group behavior. The least fragile is to participate only marginally and as little as possible in the credit driven consumption. No need to elaborate here, I have done this in various ways for a decade and have given the details many times. Need less than your peers. Spend less than half of what you earn. Avoid debt and STDs. One is slavery and the other is death.

 
Comment by michael
2012-05-02 09:43:26

“6: Delusion Central (DC) will fall last and hardest.”

question is when?

 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-05-02 09:56:51

The place to deploy cash is where credit is not available.

Two points:
1) There’s nothing wrong with credit as long as the debtor is either forced to pay it back or give up the goods he purchased with debt if he can’t pay. The problems arise when debtors are allowed to take out bad loans and the government pays off the creditors with tax money.

2) Can’t pay rent on credit typically.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-02 10:04:03

Renting money for long durations at any interest rate is a bad idea. Real bad.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-05-02 10:14:16

“one might conclude that the entire pricing structure of our lifestyles is rigged by half a century of easy credit”

That’s certainly been my conclusion. I wonder how many (post GenXers) even know what layaway is, easy credit’s gateway drug that looks quaint in hindsight.

You give people free or low-cost money, they’re going to spend it. Instant stimulus. That was the economy of the 2000s. Part of my platform is interest rates back at 1998 levels.

 
Comment by frankie
2012-05-02 10:16:08

“6: Delusion Central (DC) will fall last and hardest.”

question is when?

Not before the elections; after that it’s anyone’s guess.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-05-02 10:20:46

Except there’s always an election coming up.

 
Comment by frankie
2012-05-02 10:52:46

Not for Obama, there isn’t.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-05-02 12:44:39

5: Paying interest is years of your life in the trash.

Didn’t they say that about rent? And what interest? What is is now like 4%?

6: Delusion Central (DC) will fall last and hardest.

We don’t know if or how it will fall. Massive inflation? Deflation? Muddling along for 15 years - the time it would take to pay off the house entirely?

7: Consider a multi decade deleveraging lies ahead and housing will depreciate each and every year for longer than you can hold back the tears.

Very possible, but very possible the opposite too.

8: Do not pay 4x construction costs for a fashionable stick box.

Construction/manufacturing costs sometimes represent only 25% of the cost of many items.

9: Shower with a friend. Spend half as much.

Or twice as much. :)

 
Comment by Overtaxed
2012-05-02 13:05:35

“Renting money for long durations at any interest rate is a bad idea. Real bad.”

That simply not the case. If I could “rent” 100M dollars at 1% interest, I’d never work again.

It’s all about the interest rate; if that rate is at or below the expected rate of inflation, the more you can borrow, the better off you will be in the future. It’s not as simple as “debt is bad”.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-02 14:35:54

haaaaaah???

Why would you never work again? You have to repay the principal…. with interest. At 1% you have to come up with $3600 a month for 30 miserable years.

 
Comment by Overtaxed
2012-05-02 15:01:02

If you loan me 100M at 1% interest (let’s say for 30 years, because that makes it easy), I’d owe you $321,600 per month (P+I).

However, I’d immediately invest that money in near riskless assets with the same maturity that yield 5-6% (muni bonds would probably be the safest play, although, some stocks would probably enter my portfolio). So, let’s call it, again, for the sake of round numbers, I’ll owe you about 3.9M a year to pay the loan, and, on my investments I’ll make around 5-6M (assuming I just get the interest payments and no capital appreciation, pretty unlikely). My income would be somewhere north of 1M per year (tax free if it was all munis).

If you’re willing to make the loan, I’m willing to take the money, let’s put it that way.

BTW, in case you’re wondering, this is exactly what banks do. You “lend” them 100M dollars at about 0% (your savings) and they go out and buy assets that yield 5-6%. Or make loans that yield 5-20%. Pretty good business model.

As long as your not a moron and buy nothing but “Pets.com” (which is functionally equivalent to what the banks did lending 1M dollars to strawberry pickers to buy a house worth 200K).

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-02 16:01:31

lol @ the moron and pets.com comment…..

BUT….. lets just say you bought City of ___ bonds and the city went bankrupt…. you’re screwed.

 
Comment by oxide
2012-05-02 18:07:25

Rio, I don’t have a 15-year mortgage. I have a 30, but I’m arranging to pay it off in 23. But you’re right, I think DC will muddle along for 15 years, as you say.

As for prices dropping in DC, which prices? Shacks in the hood? McMansions in West Virginia? Low end going lower? Townhomes which were FAR overpriced to being with? Probably. Now, if you want a good condition SFH hear a job… those prices are not dropping.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-03 04:38:29

They’re dropping across the board in DC. Some faster than others.

 
 
 
 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-05-02 06:43:57

More like “stay away from overpriced crap”.

 
Comment by mikeinbend
2012-05-02 07:43:39

Oxide-point well taken and distiction noted regarding mortgages. Other debts are also to be avoided; and some of these debts taken will never be repaid, I think. Or writeoffs will occur en masse, on some front. I have never had student loans, CC debt, or car loans.

Regardless of what happens to me; something large is going to have to be charged off in the near future. And paid for by taxpayers, I imagine.

One hint that I have not reached the middle class metric: The IRS pays me at tax time! Just like half of all all American taxpayers. I am concerned for this country because I know not many of the sub-middle class of the lucky ducky’s can afford to nix the mortgage with one swipe; thus mitigating life’s high costs some. They have too much debt (plus not enough income); be it from CCs, medical, or student loans, to save.

People my age, many of which would be the 88 million who are underemployed, will not be able to pay 1. CCards (1 trillion) 2. student loans(also 1 trillion outstanding) 3. a mortgage 4. medical coverages/expenses. Not happening. I know of a friend who just got a mortgage. He is 40 and still has 80k outstanding student loan debt. When you tell someone my age that you bought a new car, their first question is, “What’s your payment”. How much a month has become too much for most of us. Nary a classmate has college savings worked out for their children; which was a common aspiration of parents from my generation. Not that all of them succeeded, but at least they tried to save. That has largely gone out the window; students are now expected to borrow whatever it takes to get their degree. Before borrowing for a car; then a home.

I do still want a masters; I don’t think it is magic nor will I take on debt to get this degree.

The degree is in no way magical. from my experience; I worked a job that required no college degree that paid better than teaching. And it was stable. I can still go back and work for the same employer.

But I hurt myself and changed careers under duress; and Oregon requires its licensed teachers to have a masters in addition to their license.

BA- did me no good; except to waste my parents money, and delay getting a job in no way tied to a degree.
Teaching license: only went back because my back hurt; limiting my ability to to my old job forced me to re-consider my career choice.
Masters: want to keep my OR teaching license, that is all.

If I could procure a stable teaching gig without getting a masters; I would. Or I will if the opportunity presents itself. The only benefit I see regarding the masters is that it limits the competition a wee bit because Oregon is the only state in the union that requires masters degrees of its teachers.(to my knowledge)

Comment by Steve J
2012-05-02 08:40:38

Some states exclude your primary house from creditor during a bankruptcy( eg Florida, Texas).

 
Comment by oxide
2012-05-02 08:54:35

nor will I take on debt to get this degree.

I disagree. Money is fungible. If you pay for the degree with cash, then you WILL be (effectively) taking on debt in some other form, by continuing to pay rent. And in the long run, renting may cost more than the student loans would.

By the way, how much would the masters degree cost?

 
Comment by Patrick
2012-05-02 11:36:06

You need a masters to teach ! Amazing. College, yes. High school - ok if you are teaching gifted academics. But public school - you have to be kidding.

I imagine you get a raise for the graduate status. Another contribution to overpriced schooling.

The MBA when I graduated put you at the top of the industrial ladder and very well paid. Today it doesn’t buy you unto the first rung unless you have a professional degree as well.

Oh well, I guess it works differently in the over priced civil service.

I am not upset with you, but with the system that demands such lunacy.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-02 05:35:16

I’m trying to recall if May Day protests have normally occurred around U.S. cities in recent years, or is it different this year, now that many folks are working through the anger phase of the financial collapse?

Violence mars protests in downtown Seattle
By The Seattle Times
Published: May 02. 2012 4:00AM PST

Police escort a protester in downtown Seattle on Tuesday. Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn says he’s making an emergency declaration allowing police to confiscate items that can be used as weapons following violent May Day protests that left storefronts and car windows shattered.
Erika Schultz / The Seattle Times

Wind and rain began driving a few May Day protesters away Tuesday evening, hours after a cluster of about 75 demonstrators dressed in black and carrying poles interrupted peaceful marches to smash windows and clash with police in Seattle’s downtown retail core.

Swarms of police on bikes and in riot gear had attempted to corral the early afternoon demonstrators with batons and chemical spray, but the protesters quickly dispersed. Some reintegrated into the crowd, shedding their black clothes, Mayor Mike McGinn said at a news conference, and by early evening there had been only eight arrests.

But by evening, the protests had swelled to thousands of people; the vast majority remained peaceful.

After the early afternoon violence, McGinn issued an emergency order banning items that could be used as weapons, and authorized police to pre-emptively seize the five-foot poles demonstrators used.

“My direction to the police is that I expect them to respond to lawbreaking swiftly and aggressively,” McGinn said.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-05-02 06:13:09

75 demonstrators dressed in black and carrying poles interrupted peaceful marches to smash windows and clash with police

I often wonder who the Black Bloc really work for. They sure can discredit a peaceful protest against the 1%.

The 1% couldn’t hire someone to do a better job of it.

Comment by Steve J
2012-05-02 08:50:48

Strange do few were able to be arrested by the police isn’t it?

 
 
Comment by oxide
2012-05-02 06:27:17

The Long Hot Summer/Summer of Love (1967) did not begin in the summer.

From Wiki:
“The prelude to the Summer of Love was the Human Be-In at Golden Gate Park on January 14, 1967…
College and high-school students began streaming into the Haight during the spring break of 1967…
San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Some Flowers in Your Hair) released on 13 May 1967, was an instant hit.
—————-

My guess is that it’s going to be different this year, P-bear.

Comment by goon squad
2012-05-02 06:46:14

Different this year? See also

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_Rage

The squad’s field operatives in metro Tampa report that it will be a fascist police state a la the “Miami Model” as recently posted here during the GOP convention this summer.

The Long Hot Summer is here :) But the squad correctly predicts most of the violence will be apolitical. Expect more “justice for Trayvon” racial assaults and FB turned Lucky Ducky gone postal murder-suicide scenarios, as well as the delightful array of thuggery and mayhem seen in the numerous South Florida crime stories posted here…

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-05-02 09:40:26

A few years ago, May Day was the date for massive immigration protests in Arizona. And, it seems, those protests backfired in a big way. Reason: There wasn’t/isn’t much public sympathy for those who were/are in this country illegally.

Comment by butters
2012-05-02 09:58:48

Could it be because we have a Democrat in the white house?

Me thinks it’s the same reason you don’t see many anti-war and anti-poverty protests these days.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-05-02 09:59:49

Me thinks it’s the same reason you don’t see many anti-war and anti-poverty protests these days.

Ummm, there was a big one yesterday. All over the world, in fact.

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Comment by AmazingRuss
2012-05-02 11:31:56

Psssh… merely a snow job by The Liberal Media… like the moon landing.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-02 05:44:08

Are any Republicans clamoring for DeMarco’s head over F&F principal reductions, or is it strictly a Democratic effort?

And I notice that some newspaper articles mention the $3.8 bn infusion of tax dollars needed to generate $1.7 bn in “savings” while others (like this article, for instance) conveniently omit it.

Calls for mortgage assistance get louder in Washington

The director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency is under pressure to allow principal reductions for loans under Fannie and Freddie after disclosures that one cost-saving plan was scrapped.

Edward J. DeMarco, the acting director of the FHFA, has resisted a push by the White House, congressional Democrats, housing advocates and attorneys general of California and other states to implement a principal reduction program at Fannie and Freddie. (Scott Eells, Bloomberg / March 28, 2012)

By Jim Puzzanghera, Los Angeles Times
May 1, 2012, 6:50 p.m.

WASHINGTON — Pressure is mounting on a key federal regulator to allow Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to reduce loan principal amounts for struggling homeowners, after disclosures that a plan to do that was scuttled even though it was aimed at saving taxpayer money and helping to heal the housing market.

Fannie Mae officials in 2009 supported principal reductions in some cases and crafted a pilot program that would have cost only $1.7 million to implement but could have provided more than $410 million worth of benefits to homeowners, according to internal company documents cited by two House Democrats.

However, the pilot program set to start a year later was abruptly canceled, apparently for ideological reasons, Reps. Elijah E. Cummings (D-Md.) and John F. Tierney (D-Mass.) said in a letter Tuesday to the acting director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency.

Edward J. DeMarco, the acting director, has resisted a push by the White House, congressional Democrats, housing advocates and attorneys general of California and other states to implement a principal reduction program at Fannie and Freddie.

The FHFA has overseen the giant mortgage financing companies, which own or back 60% of the nation’s home loans, since they were seized by the federal government in 2008 as they bordered on bankruptcy. Taxpayers have provided $188 billion to keep them afloat.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-02 05:53:05

It sounds to me as though only one of the two parties is vociferously supportive of F&F principal reductions. Does anyone have evidence of any Republican support whatever?

I’m also curious whether anyone can provide historical evidence of success in strong-arming independent regulators during election years.It seems as though DeMarco has the option of running out the clock on this unruly and highly public political pressure by continuing to study the merits of principal reductions for another six months.

U.S. housing regulator fires back in mortgage flap

U.S. Housing and Urban Development Secretary Shaun Donovan announces February 9, 2012 in Washington that the federal government and 49 state attorneys general have reached a $25 billion agreement with the nation’s five largest mortgage servicers to address mortgage loan servicing and foreclosure abuses. REUTERS/Gary Cameron

By Margaret Chadbourn
Tue May 1, 2012 7:23pm EDT

(Reuters) - The regulator for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac fired back on Tuesday against claims from Democrats in Congress that he is standing in the way of letting the two U.S. housing finance giants forgive mortgage principal because of ideology.

In a sharply worded response to Elijah Cummings, the top Democrat on the House of Representatives Oversight Committee, Federal Housing Finance Agency Director Edward DeMarco defended his agency’s position on loan write downs.

DeMarco has long maintained that allowing the two government-controlled mortgage firms to write down loan principal would needlessly drive up the costs of their taxpayer bailout, which has already reached more than $150 billion.

He has said distressed borrowers could obtain as much relief through measures that are less costly, such as loan forbearance, although his agency is studying an Obama administration plan that increases financial incentives in an effort to encourage the two companies to forgive loan principal.

“The fact that FHFA continues to consider principal forgiveness alternatives … belies any ideological tilt on our part,” DeMarco said in a letter to Cummings and Representative John Tierney, a Democrat from Massachusetts.

“I strongly disagree with any characterization of FHFA’s work or motives as anything but in keeping with the professionalism expected of this agency,” DeMarco wrote.

DeMarco was responding to a letter from the two lawmakers in which they pressed him to release internal company documents they said would show that principal reduction programs proposed as early as 2009 might have reduced losses at the two companies.

Fannie Mae and smaller rival Freddie Mac, which support about 60 percent of all new U.S. home loans, were taken over by the government in September 2008.

“Based on the documents we have obtained, it appears that the shared equity principal reduction pilot program should have been implemented years ago, and the failure to do so may have resulted in unnecessary losses to U.S. taxpayers,” Cummings and Tierney wrote.

Cummings has led a charge by congressional Democrats to pressure FHFA to allow the companies to pursue principal write-downs for borrowers who owe more on their mortgages than their properties are worth.

In their letter, Cummings and Tierney cited documents they claimed showed that Fannie Mae officials “concluded several years ago, after substantial study and review, that principal reduction programs could save the company and U.S. taxpayers money by dampening the number of foreclosures,” even when compared with alternatives such as principal forbearance.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-02 05:56:27

May 1, 2012, 12:28 p.m. ET

Fannie Mae Studied Loan Writedowns With Wells, Citi - Regulator
By Alan Zibel and Nick Timiraos
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

WASHINGTON (Dow Jones) — Mortgage giant Fannie Mae (FNMA) explored pilot loan-writedown programs in 2009 and 2010 with Citigroup Inc. (C) and Wells Fargo & Co. (WFC) but ended them due to “complex operational issues,” a housing regulator told U.S. lawmakers.

The general counsel of the Federal Housing Finance Agency, Alfred Pollard, sent a letter last month to House Democrats explaining Fannie Mae’s decision not to move ahead with trial loan writedown programs that the government-controlled mortgage finance company explored in 2009 and 2010. The letter was obtained Tuesday by Dow Jones Newswires.

The housing regulator has been under pressure from Congressional Democrats and the Obama administration to reconsider its opposition to loan-writedown programs. In the letter to Rep. Elijah Cummings (D., Md.) and Rep. John Tierney (D., Mass.), members of the House Oversight Committee, Pollard said that the pilot writedown programs, “to the extent they were begun, ended due to complex operational issues involving system changes, accounting considerations and the interest level of Fannie Mae’s partners.”

Wells Fargo’s program got further along, with several hundred borrowers receiving writedowns. But it had data-entry problems, as Fannie Mae’s software system doesn’t allow for principal writedowns, Pollard’s letter said. In addition, borrowers who received writedowns performed no better than those who didn’t.

Fannie Mae made the decision on its own not to implement the Citi pilot, citing concerns over costs and operational challenges, Pollard’s letter said. Fannie then proposed different pilot that Citi wasn’t able to accommodate. Representatives of Citi, Fannie, Wells Fargo and FHFA didn’t comment.

Cummings, the top Democrat on the House’s oversight panel, has been persistently critical of Edward DeMarco, the acting head of FHFA, pressing him to enact principal reductions and calling for DeMarco’s ouster.

On Tuesday, Cummings and Tierney wrote to DeMarco saying that documents obtained by his committee “show that Fannie Mae officials strongly supported the concept of principal reduction and fully evaluated its risks and benefits as they obtained the necessary internal approvals to finalize the program.”

For example, they excerpted a November 2009 presentation to a Fannie Mae risk panel about the Citi writedown pilot. It said the “business case for shared equity is strong” and that “underwater borrowers will perform better on a modification that reestablishes equity.” And they also found out that more than 50 executives at both companies met in April 2010 to “finalize timelines for the program, identify outstanding issues, and review the program’s integrated test plan.” The program was suspended that July, the lawmakers said.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-05-02 10:54:20

The shot version (fixr interpretation):

-The PTB have finally figured out that a homemoaner who is upside down $100-200-300K or more on a bubble priced house, can’t/won’t continue paying the mortgage, and definitely won’t be buying anything else on credit for years.

-To have any chance of keeping the sheep harnessed to the house, principal writedowns are going to have to happen.

-If the bank takes the principal writedown, they can’t pretend those $800K mortgages on crapshacks in Fresno are worth $800K. Or half that. Banksters don’t like to have anyone prove they are insolvent. Hard to justify million dollar salaries and bonuses when that happens, not to mention their stock options. The thought of selling the Audi/Lexus/MB, and replacing it with a Dodge or Chevy is just too much to bear.

-The only entity capable of eating the losses and letting the banksters keep their jobs is Uncle Sugar (via Fannie Mae), since a direct bailout would mean pitchforks, torches and guillotines. IOW, “privatizing the gains (2000-2007) and socializing the losses (2008-present) thru the back door.

-This makes Fannie the “mark”. The guy ruining the plan doesn’t want to be the “mark”, because he’s not making enough to be able to afford the long-range jet and private Pacific island he’ll need to avoid the guillotine. So he’s resisting.

While being pressured by the banksters, and a certain set of Democrats whose definition of “forebearance” is for Fannie to swallow enough of the mortgage for the house to be affordable on welfare checks/Lucky Ducky payscales. IOW, a backdoor housing subsidy.

The game of “Who gets to hold the Crapbag?” for this mess continues…

Comment by mathguy
2012-05-02 12:10:28

I’m wondering what my personal threshold before taking up a pitchfork is. At what point do I finally say NO, they are STEALING from my family for political gain, and it is worth physically fighting for. Just because it’s legal doesn’t mean it is right.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-05-02 12:49:36

Prediction: That point will be after you lose the job you feel you have to maintain the good face for. Perhaps also after the last lifeline is cut off from Uncle Sam after that job loss.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-05-02 14:10:59

Been wondering that myself.

In the meantime, I play such strategic mind-games as “What can J6P do to take a chunk out of the 1%er/banksters bottom line, with minimal damage to himself?”

One thing I’ve learned dealing with people is that people think this complex infrastructure (and the equipment in it) works like magic, never wears out, and never breaks. No appreciation whatsoever of what it takes to keep it up and running, especially with the “fix everything with nothing” budgets people are given to work with.

Lots of opportunities for the typical J6P to gum up the works, if so motivated. Long, long lines of unprotected infrastructure.

And with the latest management plan of “Throw the $50/hour old timers under the bus, and replace them with two $20/hour newbies”, there are a lot of newly baked, under-employed “consultants” and “contractors” out there, with time on their hands, and knowledge of where all the skeletons are buried.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-05-02 14:15:23

Note to the NSA boyz in Utah: This is all hypothetical/fantasy, of course.

(Should I throw in a few words like “bomb” and “Al Quada”, to make sure I get picked up by the NSA data miners?)

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-05-02 14:17:14

Note to the NSA boyz in Utah: This is all hypothetical/fantasy, of course.

(Should I throw in a few words like “bomb” and “Al Quada”, to make sure I get picked up by the NSA data miners?)

A few years ago, there was a telephonic protest. The participants used words like “terrorist.” The idea was to gum up the NSA works. No word on how successful this protest was.

 
Comment by CharlieTango
2012-05-02 14:35:21

You are sounding bitter. The best thing for J6P is to forget about he 1% and adjust to reality.

The best way to deal with the 1% issue is to close the discount window because the ZIRP going to the privileged is a huge tax transferring wealth from the 99% to the 1%.

Next eliminate all tax deductions and adjust rates so that the result is targeted as no net increase/decrease.

End most government investment, start with green energy.

We “rescued” our economy by transferring massive amounts of wealth to the 1% and as we continue to do so we want to fix it buy supporting losers in the streets calling for free stuff.

Occupying isn’t fixing anything, stopping the transfer of wealth to the privileged will.

Instead of looking to raise rates on the rich how about we require prosecutions of 1% criminals? When their wealth is obtained criminally it should be confiscated along with fines and incarceration.

When their wealth is obtained legally but thru loopholes and cronyism the practices of loopholes should be closed and the cronyism stopped and the criminals prosecuted (repeating from above.)

When their wealth is earned fairly they should be permitted to prosper and jobs will be created.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-05-02 19:42:40

Occupying isn’t fixing anything, stopping the transfer of wealth to the privileged will.

Occupying is making people aware of the 1%. They invented the phrase, and introduced the idea to most people. We would never stop the wealth transfer if few are aware of it.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2012-05-02 20:51:19

Wow, Charlie, I actually agree with you on some things.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-02 17:21:13

“-To have any chance of keeping the sheep harnessed to the house, principal writedowns are going to have to happen.”

That may be the official explanation, but it really makes no sense. If the people who would receive $51,000 on average in unearned income have made it this far along through the Great Recession and subsequent recovery without walking away, it seems like they are rather low risk for walking away. The high risk group either walked away or stopped paying their mortgages a long time ago.

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2012-05-02 20:52:40

Are they not talking about writedowns for FB’s who have not made a payment in 48 months?

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-02 22:48:47

I have no idea, but I would think this group would be a particularly poor target for writedowns, on the presumption that lower principal would somehow get them to restart making payments.

Why would they pay now after not paying for over four years?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-05-02 06:15:49

Oh, the agonie$, oh, the pain$!
We’ve been tax $lapped and we can’t get up! Help us repubicans, …Hurry! Help!
We’re $uffering $o! :-)

The bottom 95% of Americans have seen debt levels balloon compared to their earnings over the past 20 years or so, as falling incomes made them more dependent on credit to maintain their lifestyles.

The New American Dream
Debt inequality is the new income inequality:
By Tami Luhby @CNNMoney May 2, 2012 / NEW YORK (CNNMoney)

In 1983, the bottom 95% had 62 cents of debt for every dollar they earned, according to research by two International Monetary Fund economists. But by 2007, the ratio had soared to $1.48 of debt for every $1 in earnings.

The bottom 95% had incomes of roughly $160,000 or less in 2007, including capital gains.

And then there’s the top 5%. Their debt-to-income level actually fell during the same period, from 76 cents of debt for every dollar earned in 1983, to just 64 cents in 2007.

And experts say the picture hasn’t changed much since then.
Getting off government assistance

The debt divide is a result of the growing income gap between the wealthiest Americans and everyone else. The top 5% saw their share of total income rise to 34% in 2007, up from 22% in 1983. This excludes capital gains, which pump up the income of the rich even more since they are more likely to invest.

The wealthy had so much extra money lying around that they channeled it back into the financial system, making more credit available to the rest of the nation.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-05-02 07:42:33

Let them eat cake!

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-05-02 09:41:52

The debt divide is a result of the growing income gap between the wealthiest Americans and everyone else. The top 5% saw their share of total income rise to 34% in 2007, up from 22% in 1983. This excludes capital gains, which pump up the income of the rich even more since they are more likely to invest.

Our debt is their wealth.

 
Comment by Anonymous Coward
2012-05-02 16:13:28

The top 5 pc might have been able to avoid racking up debt’ but they still face the same distorted financial picture as the other 95 pc. Remember, we’re talking about incomes here, not wealth. Even those new entrants to the lower end of the 5 pc these days can’t afford to buy (with after-tax dollars) the necessary education to purchase the ability to earn that gross (pre-tax) income and then buy a house in what was a nice but not extravagant middle class neighborhood before the bubble at current inflated prices in a metro area where they can earn that higher income. Taxes on high income earners (as opposed to wealthy investors who make their income from capital gains) are insane. If you know any smart kids thinking of becoming a doctor, for instance, it is your duty to tell them to run in the other direction. Given our tax and economic policies, clearly our government thinks we don’t need anymore doctors.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-02 06:21:05

The Economist: IT’S DIFFERENT IN CANADA

Canada’s housing market
Look out below
After years of lecturing America about loose lending, Canada now must confront a bubble of its own
Feb 4th 2012 | TORONTO | from the print edition

IN FEW corners of the world would a car park squeezed between two arms of an elevated highway be seen as prime real estate. In Toronto, however, a 75-storey condominium is planned for such an awkward site, near the waterfront. The car park next door will become a pair of 70-storey towers too. In total, 173 sky-scrapers are being built in Toronto, the most in North America. New York is second with 96.

When the United States saw a vast housing bubble inflate and burst during the 2000s, many Canadians felt smug about the purported prudence of their financial and property markets. During the crash, Canadian house prices fell by just 8%, compared with more than 30% in America. They hit new record highs by 2010. “Canada was not a part of the problem,” Stephen Harper, the prime minister, boasted in 2010.

Today the consensus is growing on Bay Street, Toronto’s answer to Wall Street, that Mr Harper may have to eat his words. In response to America’s slow economic recovery and uncertainty in Europe, the Bank of Canada has kept interest rates at record lows. Five-year fixed-rate mortgages now charge interest of just 2.99%. In response, Canadians have sought ever-bigger loans for ever-costlier homes. The country’s house prices have doubled since 2002.

Speculators are pouring into the property markets in Toronto and Vancouver. “We have foreign investors who are purchasing two, three, four, five properties,” says Michael Thompson, who heads Toronto’s economic-development committee. Last month a modest Toronto home put on the market for C$380,000 ($381,500) sold for C$570,000, following a bidding war among 31 prospective buyers. According to Demographia, a consultancy, Vancouver’s ratio of home prices to incomes is the highest in the English-speaking world.

Bankers are becoming alarmed. Mark Carney, the governor of the central bank, has been warning for years that Canadians are consuming beyond their means. The bosses of banks with big mortgage businesses, including CIBC, Royal Bank of Canada and the Bank of Montreal, have all said the housing market is at or near its peak. Canada’s ratio of household debt to disposable income has risen by 40% in the past decade, recently surpassing America’s (see chart). And its ratio of house prices to income is now 30% above its historical average—less than, say, Ireland’s excesses (which reached 70%), but high enough to expect a drop. A recent report from Bank of America said Canada was “showing many of the signs of a classic bubble”.

The consequences of such a bubble bursting are hard to predict. On the one hand, high demand for Canada’s commodity exports could cushion the blow from a housing bust. And since banks have recourse to all of a borrower’s assets, and Canadian lending standards are stricter than America’s were, a decline in house prices would probably not wreck the banks as it did in the United States.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-05-02 07:12:28

“And since banks have recourse to all of a borrower’s assets”

What assets? Foreclosed FB’s are typically broke.

Comment by redrum
2012-05-02 07:22:00

Ones biggest asset is usually their future earning potential. Can you say wage garnishment boys and girls?

Comment by Steve J
2012-05-02 09:02:15

Not from the Foriegners snapping up those bargains 5 at a time.

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Comment by Al
2012-05-02 07:29:55

I don’t tend to talk housing bubble; I’ve learned enough from this blog that there is little upside to it. But on the occassions housing gets discussed by those around me, I can say that there is little awareness in my part of Canada of the upcoming drop in house prices.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-05-02 09:30:32

“Oh, Canada!” ;-)

 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2012-05-02 20:56:52

I know that when I think “prime real estate,” a veritable icebox always comes to mind- NOT. Look out below, Canada, you’re going down.

 
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-05-02 22:58:10

Fort the last many years, on occasion my wife would “force” me to watch some of those housing shows from Canada, I would spend the whole show saying “wtf are these idiots thinking?”…I would yell at the clueless first time buyers on the shows “run…run…you are signing yourself up for a lifetime of servitude and financial misery…650k is too much for a starter home in Toronto!”

Yeah…Canada has a bubble alright and I am glad to see it finally getting some press.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-02 06:22:26

wsj dot com
May 1, 2012, 11:03 p.m. ET

China April Housing Prices Slide For 8th Straight Month

SHANGHAI—Housing prices in 100 major cities in China were lower for the eighth consecutive month in April, China Real Estate Index System said Wednesday.

The data provider said a survey of property developers and real-estate agencies showed the average home price in April was lower at CNY8,711 a square meter, compared with CNY8,741 in March and CNY8,767 in February.

The survey, which the company compiles together with online real-estate brokerage SouFun Holdings Ltd., SFUN -0.61% is widely watched after China scrapped a national property price index in February last year.

China Real Estate Index System said property prices in 29 cities rose in April compared with the previous month, while prices in the rest of the 71 cities posted a decline.

Compared with a year earlier, the average price of a new home in April registered a decline for the first time since last June, dropping by 0.71%, according to the survey by SouFun Holdings.

Average home prices in 10 major cities, such as Beijing and Shanghai, fell 0.4% to CNY15,391 a square meter in April from a month earlier; on a year-on-year basis, prices declined for a fourth consecutive month in April, down 2.6% from a year earlier.

The Chinese government since 2010 has mounted a campaign to bring down housing prices to head off social unrest, with moves ranging from restrictions on second-home purchases to pushing banks to redirect lending away from developers and toward affordable-housing projects.

Sales and prices have started declining in some cities, putting pressure on property developers and local governments.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-02 06:24:32

Let housing prices crater…. then buy later…. for 65% less.

 
Comment by Martin
2012-05-02 07:29:14

CIBT:
Question for you–
–I’ve seen a lot of articles of Canadian bubble bursting. Similarly for China, Aussie and the massive Indian bubble. With these bubbles bursting, don’t you think the central banks all over will reduce rates back to zero and we may see QE3 here as well. Which means more inflows into bubble countries which will re-inflate their bubbles.

With all this steroid injections of Central banks, it has disrupted the overall system worldwide. USD will again lose value and we may start losing more jobs. WTF. Why can’t central banks just let it correct and market take its own course.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-02 07:56:26

“With these bubbles bursting, don’t you think the central banks all over will reduce rates back to zero and we may see QE3 here as well.”

Yes — apparently it’s already happening (see Ben Jones’s post further down this thread).

“Which means more inflows into bubble countries which will re-inflate their bubbles.”

It didn’t work out that way in Japan over the past two decades, but perhaps this time is different.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-02 08:01:08

“USD will again lose value and we may start losing more jobs.”

If central banks are pumping in money in a coordinated effort, the USD will presumably hold its value against rival currencies, but not against asset prices. For instance, you would expect the price of gold and other commodities to increase in nominal terms, reflecting a real loss of value to the USD.

The real economic effect of this (assuming a constant or shrinking wealth pie) will be to redistribute wealth from those whose household or corporate supply of dollars is fixed (think pensioners on fixed annuities) to those whose wealth or incomes are not (Wall Street Megabanks, current workers whose pay could potentially go up with inflation, newly employed workers brought in from the pool of 88M American “discouraged workers,” etc).

Retirees will disproportionately bear the incipient inflation tax, just as they did in the 1970s.

Comment by Steve J
2012-05-02 09:04:23

It would sure fix a lot of the state/city pension issues

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-05-02 09:06:21

With these bubbles bursting, don’t you think the central banks all over will reduce rates back to zero and we may see QE3 here as well.

Talk about a race to the bottom. Viva la economia ficcion!

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-02 06:26:28

Wasn’t 120K the ADP payrolls number last month as well?

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May 2, 2012, 9:11 a.m. EDT
Hiring slows as ADP reports 119,000 new April jobs
By Ruth Mantell, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Hiring has slowed down, with private-employment gains in April the weakest in seven months, according to a report released Wednesday by payrolls-processor Automatic Data Processing Inc.

Private-sector employment increased 119,000 in April, the lowest result since September, led by the service-providing sector and small and medium businesses, according to ADP. The April gain is down from average monthly employment increases of about 200,000 in the first quarter of 2012, according to ADP.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-02 06:32:05

The Money Changers at the Fed will see this and say, “uh oh…. we need to borrow and spend some more. We need to create demand that doesn’t exist.” Roll out QE3, 4, 5,6, etc.

And the CONservatives will say, “we need more tax cuts” as their method of increasing GDP/spending more.

And the Liberals will say, “we need more domestic spending” as their method of increasing GDP/spending more.

So both parties are puppets of the Federal Reserve. They do what they’re told while they ALL accept bribes from the highest bidder.

Had Enough?

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-02 06:41:12

Am I missing anything on my rant about the fed?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-02 07:02:36

Yep.

You are missing questions about the potential limitations on their persistent efforts to paper over the real economic situation with a flood of newly-printed liquidity.

What could stop them in this effort, in terms of fundamentals, politics or other factors?

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-02 18:03:42

What could stop them? I dunno…. nothing stopped the temple money changers until some dude shut them down for robbing the blind, poor and oppressed.

Whatta ya think?

 
Comment by oxide
2012-05-02 18:11:46

I think they shut down for, what, a week until they rid themselves of the dude. They were probably back up and running before the Easter candy hit 75% off.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-02 18:16:27

Nahh… the scam was co-opted by Constantine and the Catholics by 400 AD. The money changers went on to more profitable scams like central banking, stocks and bonds.

 
 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-05-02 16:37:27

The two parties are two heads of the same hydra.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-02 06:33:53

Lately the stock market has been falling up; i.e. on days like today, when a bad data release hammers it at the opening bell, it corrects to a lower level which is higher than the lower levels that were reached in any correction over the past six months or so.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-05-02 07:44:34

Much like the price of everything else.

Coincidence?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-02 07:54:25

No. That was exactly my point: When the price of everything is going up, you are seeing prima facie evidence of a general inflation.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2012-05-02 08:33:59

The price of you and me does not seem to be going up.

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-05-02 09:27:49

Sorry. Oblique joke.

I meant that consumers prices seem to keep falling up as well.

The “coincidence” part was just a joke. :lol:

And yes, the price of us has been falling steadily for 30 years. Use this calculator see how bad it really is.

http://www.halfhill.com/inflation.html

 
 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-05-02 16:21:08

Karl Denninger sounds like he just got hammered on a trade as a result of inexplicable stock movements:

See that nice spike?

Let’s say you shorted near the open (an entirely reasonable thing to consider doing as a daytrade.) Let’s also assume you set a reasonable stop just a bit over your entry, which would limit your losses but which looks pretty good as the day goes on.

And then that 2 million share green monster shows up and butt*****s you.

What was that?

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=205470

 
 
 
Comment by michael
2012-05-02 06:31:27

anyone got any good pesonal financial software recommendations for the mac.

i want to stay away from mint.com for security reasons.

i know quicken is the big boy on the block but i read somewhere that the mac version is much more limited than the pc version.

thanks for any advice.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-05-02 07:14:47

Run the Windows version of Quicken on a Windows virtual machine on your Mac?

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-05-02 08:32:56

iBank

I upgraded Quicken a while back, and they took away minor features…like BEING ABLE TO TRACK STOCK BASIS. I instantly went hunting.

Quicken for Mac is now a preschool version.

iBank isn’t perfect, but it gives me most of the functionality that the old Quicken used to do.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-05-02 09:44:26

I use MYOB for both business and personal accounting.

ISTR that one of its biggest selling points for creative types is that it runs on the Mac. (However, this creative type has been using a PC since 1987.)

 
 
Comment by Awaiting
2012-05-02 07:09:14

Just wanted to insert this little find:
“Moreover, you can take cash early without penalty from a regular IRA, but not a 401(k), to pay for higher education, make a down payment (of up to $10,000) on your first house.”

Polly,
If I transfer $10K directly into our escrow acct from my IRA (I’m 55) will that constitute part of the down payment, even if we are putting down 100%? Or can they disqualify it, when they see no MID? I would love your opinion.

Polly
Thank you. That was kind of you to respond last night to my inquiry. I’ll dig into the IRS publication. I have a feeling this is a gray area. Our situation is unique.

Comment by polly
2012-05-02 08:03:58

Here is some of what I found, but, you really need to read the whole thing for yourself. It is publication 590. Look in the stuff about exceptions to the 59 1/2 rule (but read all of it):

Exceptions
There are several exceptions to the age 59½ rule. Even if you receive a distribution before you are age 59½, you may not have to pay the 10% additional tax if you are in one of the following situations.

You have unreimbursed medical expenses that are more than 7.5% of your adjusted gross income.

The distributions are not more than the cost of your medical insurance.

You are disabled.

You are the beneficiary of a deceased IRA owner.

You are receiving distributions in the form of an annuity.

The distributions are not more than your qualified higher education expenses.

You use the distributions to buy, build, or rebuild a first home.

The distribution is due to an IRS levy of the qualified plan.

The distribution is a qualified reservist distribution.

Most of these exceptions are explained below.

….

First home. Even if you are under age 59½, you do not have to pay the 10% additional tax on up to $10,000 of distributions you receive to buy, build, or rebuild a first home. To qualify for treatment as a first-time homebuyer distribution, the distribution must meet all the following requirements.
It must be used to pay qualified acquisition costs (defined later) before the close of the 120th day after the day you received it.

It must be used to pay qualified acquisition costs for the main home of a first-time homebuyer (defined later) who is any of the following.

Yourself.

Your spouse.

Your or your spouse’s child.

Your or your spouse’s grandchild.

Your or your spouse’s parent or other ancestor.

When added to all your prior qualified first-time homebuyer distributions, if any, total qualifying distributions cannot be more than $10,000.

….

Qualified acquisition costs. Qualified acquisition costs include the following items.
Costs of buying, building, or rebuilding a home.

Any usual or reasonable settlement, financing, or other closing costs.

First-time homebuyer. Generally, you are a first-time homebuyer if you had no present interest in a main home during the 2-year period ending on the date of acquisition of the home which the distribution is being used to buy, build, or rebuild. If you are married, your spouse must also meet this no-ownership requirement.

Date of acquisition. The date of acquisition is the date that:
You enter into a binding contract to buy the main home for which the distribution is being used, or

The building or rebuilding of the main home for which the distribution is being used begins.

Comment by Awaiting
2012-05-02 08:35:43

Polly,
Can’t thank you enough for your kindness and your time. This week, I’ll read publication 590 in its entirety regarding (age 59 1/2) exemptions to early withdrawal penalties, and highlight the areas to confirm and get clarified. Thanks again.

Comment by polly
2012-05-02 08:42:29

You are very welcome. But seriously, this was very quick and easy. Just a little thank you is more than enough.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-02 07:51:55

Future prospects for Treasurys improve without bound.

Still better, the weak economic data which is fueling the Treasury rally also lends support to the Fed’s case that QE3 is needed to keep the recovery on track. Once they announce QE3, it’s a sure thing that Treasury bonds will rally yet again!

May 2, 2012, 10:39 a.m. EDT
U.S. 10-year yields touch 3-month low
More weak U.S. data fuels interest in Treasury bonds
By Deborah Levine, MarketWatch

The unemployment rate across the 17 euro-zone countries rose to match a record high in March and the area’s manufacturing sector contracted at the sharpest pace in over two years. Photo: AP

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Treasury prices added to gains on Wednesday, pushing 10-year yields down to a three-month low, after ADP said U.S. private employers added fewer jobs in April than many analysts expected.

Yields on 10-year notes, which move inversely to prices, fell 3 basis points to 1.91% from 1.93% before the data. A basis point is one one-hundredth of a percentage point.

The benchmark security’s yield level is near its lowest since early February.

Thirty-year-bond yields decreased 4 basis points to 3.11%.

Yields on 5-year notes fell 2 basis points to 0.81%.

Yields are back to multi-month lows as investors worry about the outlook after the Federal Reserve’s bond-purchase program ends, U.S. fiscal and tax policy remain undecided and Europe’s sovereign debt problem and recession stay in the spotlight.

“The second half of the year is going to be more difficult that the first half as stimulus wears off, we’re looking at potential tax increases and a weakening global economy, particularly in Europe,” said Mark MacQueen, co-founder of Sage Advisory Services, which oversees $9.5 billion in assets.

 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-05-02 08:31:59

Housing price supports (backing bad loans) is welfare for Wall Street.

If house prices go down, NAR itself will get more business.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-02 09:54:48

The funny thing is that the NAR leaders apparently are too dumb to recognize this!

Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-05-02 11:02:38

Unless of course, they are constantly being beaten/shot/killed by all those people they were telling “real estate only goes up” circa 2000-2007.

They have to stick with the playbook……..wouldn’t want it to be said that “Realtors are…….”

 
 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-05-02 08:35:48

@AZ Slim-

I was speaking with a gentleman yesterday who works in Phoenix, and he was telling tales of changes in the housing market (foreclosures no longer being sold at big discounts at auction, volumes of homes at auction falling, median home prices rising, builders building and selling, builders buying land, etc.).

Are you hearing any of this from where you are?

Comment by polly
2012-05-02 08:45:27

There was a Morning Edition (NPR) story on massive price increases in Phoenix and Tucson on Tuesday, but I think they were talking abut the very bottom of the market - like $30K houses now going for $40K to $50K. I’ll see if I can find it.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-05-02 08:59:36

This is what I’m hearing in my little burg, that the bottom tier is moving and that prices are firming up. There are no 30K houses in my neck of the woods. The lower end seems to be in the 120K range and from what I’m hearing houses under 200K are selling in less than a week. Whether or not this percolates up to the higher price ranges remains to be seen, but I seriously doubt it will happen anytime soon.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-05-02 09:00:53

One thing this guy noted was that a few builders had written down their developed land holdings to very low numbers (way below infrastructure cost), so in the exurbs of Phoenix, are able to build and sell new homes at less than $100k…apparently they are selling unbelievably fast (like more than one sale per day, when a good sales pace is generally 1 per week). Many of those same builders are wondering where their next batch of lots is coming from though, since they can’t develop new land for the written-down land values.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-05-02 09:26:35

Polly, this guy noted a big increase in the median price (20%)…I don’t know if that is a change in mix of what was being sold, or an actual price increase for like product. Did the story on NPR imply that it was actual price increases for the low end?

Comment by polly
2012-05-02 09:32:30

Didn’t talk Case Schiller but implied that they were talking about repeat sales of the same or at least similar houses. I posted a link, but it is taking a while to show up.

Since the area top post is Southwest, I posted it over there too.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2012-05-02 09:38:23

I wouldn’t expect it to show up in Case-Shiller then for a couple of months. Karl Case noted the other day that when they created the index, it wasn’t intended to be volatile, and so it doesn’t reflect big moves up (or down) right away. If we’re here in June and there is no move up in Case-Shiller, something funny is going on…either with the index, or with the on-the-ground stories.

 
 
Comment by polly
2012-05-02 09:33:37

Oops. Looks like I put it at the bottom. Scroll down a bit. It is there.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2012-05-02 09:40:59

Saw that…thanks.

 
 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2012-05-02 21:17:46

The speculators are driving those sales.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-05-02 09:48:15

Slim here.

I’m seeing a real reduction in the number of houses listed for sale around the University of Arizona and Downtown. However, I do know that, over the past five years or so, there have been quite a few places up for sale that just plumb didn’t sell. Some are still occupied by their owners, others have become rentals of the accidental landlord type, and more than a few have “gone back to the bank.”

A lot of that “gone back to the bank” stock is just sitting there, rotting away. I can point to a half dozen houses in this condition within easy walking distance of the Arizona Slim Ranch.

Comment by Rental Watch
2012-05-02 10:11:06

Slim, REO is one of the harder numbers to track, but I look at Foreclosure Radar to show some general trends:

http://www.foreclosureradar.com/arizona-foreclosures

I certainly can’t speak to the individual homes that are just sitting there, but per Foreclosure Radar, it does look like AZ is generally reducing REO.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-05-02 10:23:40

That makes sense. After all, AZ is a non-judicial foreclosure state.

And, hey, everybody, wish me luck. I’m going to be shooting a big folk festival this weekend. Have more than twice the number of performer bookings for photography than I did last year.

And this year, I’m getting all bold and gutsy and contacting the national touring acts that perform in the evening. Who knows? One of them might just hire me.

Be nice to see the ole photographic career take off. I’ve been promoting it six ways to Sunday for years.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2012-05-02 10:47:58

Regarding non-judicial…I think if what is happening in AZ is not some dead cat bounce, and the same thing begins to happen in other non-judicial states, there will be more of a push to allow foreclosures to happen faster in judicial states…look out below in those judicial states…

 
Comment by AV0CAD0
2012-05-02 11:39:55

Slim - where did you study photography? Not easy to make money at any more, digital made it too easy for everyone.
Zone system, densitometer….hahaha….

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-05-02 12:01:13

Slim - where did you study photography? Not easy to make money at any more, digital made it too easy for everyone.

In answer to your question: I started studying it in high school. And I agree with the making money part. However, digital doesn’t mean that you’ll automatically get a good shot. You can screw things up with a digital too.

The secret to making money is to not play the lowballing game. Or to work for free just to get your foot in the door. That foot is likely to get squashed.

 
2012-05-02 15:59:59

I do jobs from time to time. Mostly as referrals and yes! I do put it on my taxes.

Not enough to make a living but enough to defray the expenses of a (very expensive) hobby!

 
Comment by AV0CAD0
2012-05-02 21:27:55

Heck, I paid my way for a 4 yr degree in Art, concentrating in photography from a great school, just could not find a way to pay the bills with it. Maybe if I moved to the big city. I have won awards and been published in major newspapers, but it took too much work to find work. Digital just allows you to take 1000 shots and see instant results, we used to carry a light meter and shots counted. Bracketing with 4×5 chromes got expensive.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by polly
2012-05-02 08:49:02

Here it is:

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/features/npr.php?id=151709227

That is a text and there is audio available.

Some Housing Markets Rebound, But Bargains Scarce
by Ted Robbins, National Public Radio

Tease:

Arizona is home to one of the nation’s extraordinary turnarounds. The Phoenix-area median home price rose 20 percent over the past year — 6 percent in March alone. And Tucson was recently named the nation’s best market for investors. But the easy money has already been made.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-02 09:06:09

“But the easy money has already been made.”

Meaning speculators bought and sold already?

Comment by Rental Watch
2012-05-02 09:35:44

Of course not.

Most capital “profits” I’m sure are paper at this point–other than rental income.

Another guy we know embarked on a buy/rent strategy in Phoenix probably around 2 years ago, focusing on homes <10 years old…I wonder how he’s doing? I think I’ll give him a call…

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-02 09:39:46

So it’s another misrepresentation.

The Truth? No profits have been “made” but a bunch of Canadians have been skinned.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2012-05-02 10:14:04

I think those who have been flipping have been making profit along the way. Those who have been buying to rent will say they had a paper profit on the day they bought at auction based on how the flippers were doing.

However, as more people bought to rent (and not flip), the amount of “profit” generated from the foreclosure buying shifted to being paper in nature rather than money hitting a bank account.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-02 10:23:33

In other words, the “profit” doesn’t exist.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-05-02 10:25:16

However, as more people bought to rent (and not flip), the amount of “profit” generated from the foreclosure buying shifted to being paper in nature rather than money hitting a bank account.

I think that a lot of the “buy to rent” crowd is going to get a harsh lesson in the realities of landlording. As in, dealing with tenants (and the damage they cause) isn’t easy.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-05-02 10:44:14

AZ–agree with you there. Some of the folks I know who are doing the buy to rent are non-real estate professionals (never been a property owner other than primary residence, or landlord before in any sense)…these folks better watch out. One of whom that I know lives in one state, and is buying in a state a couple of thousand miles away! Whoa.

Others that I know have extensive experience as property owners/landlords (either for commercial or residential), and are operating in a market in which they know. It will be messy, but they have a better sense of what they are walking into. The group I know of in Phoenix has been in Phoenix real estate for 30+ years (developer/builder/owner, not realtor)–they have as good a shot as any, IMHO when it comes to managing such a portfolio.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-05-02 12:04:00

Some of the folks I know who are doing the buy to rent are non-real estate professionals (never been a property owner other than primary residence, or landlord before in any sense)…these folks better watch out.

I recently did an informal intervention with someone who fits that description to a tee. Haven’t heard from her to hear what she decided to do. I wonder if, since I wasn’t a raving cheerleader for her buy-to-rent idea, she’s avoiding me.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-02 09:25:04

The Federal Reserves media proxies and henchmen have brainwashed the public, Third Reich style.

Comment by goon squad
2012-05-02 12:45:42

What percentage of sheeple in Amerikwa actually know who the Bernank is or what the Federal Reserve does? Less than 10%?

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2012-05-02 09:46:58

Spent the week amblin’ / camping / hiking / hosteling / beach room renting, along the San Luis Obispo / Morro Bay / Los Osos triangle.

Oh my my, they’re building saftey depo$it boxe$ [aka: $tudent Hou$ing] like crazy man at Cal-Poly!

Everyone & their 3rd cousin$ still like to figure that their small lot, horribly landscaped, $tucco shack$ are worth every dollar & beyond for their $450,000 / $550,000/ $650,000 / $750,000+++++ $ingle Depo$it a$king price$ :-)

[all day bicycle rental @ the hostel was $10.00 per day. $5.00 all day / all transportation ticket got us to the beachs lickety split. Awesome eatery's & the Thursday night Farmers market was way cool!]

Beautiful area iffin’ ya have a job & a comfortable RV ;-)

Comment by AV0CAD0
2012-05-02 11:43:10

Most beautiful city in the USA! Demand is still high in SLO!
I have lived on the central coast for 17 yrs.

 
Comment by Salinasron
2012-05-02 12:16:22

Have some friends who bought in Cambria:
1) Bought a short sale (2/2) after loosing out to multibiddersmabout 10 times. Bid and paid over asking. Second home. Drive two hrs. From Bakersfield.
2) Bought during the boom. Around 900 sf for $450K and last yr bought the two lots next door for 150K. Lot sizes there are 25X50 ft so their total acreage is 50 X 125 ft. For the 5 lots. It started as I need to get away from the valley because of the bad air quality and how great the house was to now it’s a piece of s&$@. All friends have bought bigger homes. They have paid over $40K for new house plans but can’t tear down and rebuild until paying off loans. This second home mortgage payment $2300 is more than mine for 1+ acre with a custom turn key home. They have a two hr drive from the valley to get there.
3) Most buyers out bidding each other are in the education field as they are along that part of the central coast.

Comment by ahansen
2012-05-03 00:18:28

Holy yikes.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-02 10:00:55

European Stocks Decline as U.S. Payrolls Report Misses Estimates
Peter Levring

May 2 (Bloomberg) — European stocks declined for the second time in three days after reports showed that U.S. employers added fewer payrolls than forecast and euro-area unemployment rose to a 15-year high.

Vestas Wind Systems A/S slumped to an almost nine-year low after saying it’ll spend more money on turbine maintenance. Banco Santander SA led banks lower as European sovereign-bond yield spreads over German bunds widened. UBS AG, the biggest bank in Switzerland, jumped 3.5 percent after first-quarter results beat analysts’ estimates.

The Stoxx Europe 600 Index lost 0.5 percent to 257.18 at 4:30 p.m. in London, after earlier climbing as much as 1 percent. The benchmark gauge rose 0.4 yesterday after a report showed U.S. manufacturing expanded in April. All western European markets except the U.K., Ireland and Denmark were closed yesterday for May Day Holiday.

“The employment growth continues, though at a moderate pace,” Ralf Umlauf, head of floor research at Helaba Landesbank Hessen-Thueringen in Frankfurt, wrote in e-mailed comments. “With regard to the Friday publication of the official jobs report, the indications are mixed. It seems there is a slight potential for disappointment.”

U.S. companies added the fewest number of workers in seven months in April, a private report showed. Employment increased by 119,000 following a revised 201,000 gain the prior month, according to figures from Roseland, New Jersey-based ADP Employer Services. The median forecast of economists surveyed by Bloomberg News called for a 170,000 advance.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-05-02 13:56:27

Yikes. A few years ago Vestas bought (subsidized by taxpayer redevelopment dollars) a building in the priciest part of Portland, when they could have redeveloped an area near the airport desperate for the help. Granted the building was vacant for a decade…Many have already been laid off at HQ here, and potentially IIRC about 1600 in Colorado if tax credits aren’t extended. Be interesting to see if they sub-lease part of that building soon…and they haven’t even moved in yet.

 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-02 10:43:40

Housing Prices Are Falling

Comment by goon squad
2012-05-02 12:48:50

Not falling enough here. Based on 3-3.5 x median incomes, metro Denver is still at least 20% overpriced.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-02 14:02:14

So Denver has much further to fall.

By the way, rental rates are in fact cratering in Denver. Check it out.

“The largest year-over-year percent declines in rental prices were observed in Denver (-8.8%), Chicago (-4.8%) and Los Angeles (-2.6%). Atlanta was the only market that saw a significant rise in rental prices, increasing 6.3% from $737 to $783 between Q1 2011 and Q1 2012.”

http://newsroom.transunion.com/MediaLibraries/TransUnion/Documents/graphics/1Q12/Q1-2012_SolutionsReport.pdf

 
 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-05-02 11:25:31

New Mortgage Monitor came out today from LPS:

http://www.lpsvcs.com/LPSCorporateInformation/CommunicationCenter/DataReports/Pages/Mortgage-Monitor.aspx

The most meaningful chart is still on page 9, IMHO, showing non-current loan rates by state, and differentiating judicial and non-judicial. AZ fell by 0.5% from the prior month (from 9.6% to 9.1%). CA fell by 0.3% from the prior month (9.6% to 9.3%). “Normal” is ~5%.

Judicial states are still a mess, and not getting better as of March 31, 2012.

 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-05-02 16:13:56

Karl Denninger shouldn’t beat around the bush so much.

“The attempt to reinflate the Ponzi bubble that burst in 2008 has failed. Worse, it appears that we we may be weeks to months at most from broad financial market recognition of this failure — and if so, we’re about to have one hell of a crash and this time there are no policy actions available that will make a difference in the outcome.”

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=205445

 
Comment by Muggy
2012-05-02 17:27:07

I broke my rule at work today. I told someone what I pay in rent, and they walk away horrified.

Comment by CeeCee
2012-05-02 23:46:37

Uh oh. How much?

 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-02 17:59:05

-OT

The great Gregg Allman got a clean bill of health from Dr. McCoy and will will be doing another SpaceShot tour this year. Go Gregg!

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31749_162-57425889-10391698/gregg-allman-passes-heart-tests-ready-for-book-tour-and-summer-concerts/

 
Comment by SUGuy
2012-05-02 19:48:21

Some of the cheapest homes in Central NY are in beautiful areas but lack jobs. Here is an example. Look at the taxes at very low end looking kind of a big house.

http://www.cnyhomes.com/Listing/Search/info.cgi?mlnum=S263985

Comment by DaveBro in SonomaCo
2012-05-02 21:51:08

Yikes! $10.4K in taxes!

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-02 22:42:08

ft dot com
May 2, 2012 7:54 pm
Our central bankers are intellectually bankrupt
By Ron Paul

The financial crisis has fully exposed the intellectual bankruptcy of the world’s central bankers.

Why? Central bankers neglect the fact that interest rates are prices. Manipulating those prices through credit expansion or contraction has real and deleterious effects on the economy. Yet while socialism and centralised economic planning have largely been rejected by free-market economists, the myth persists that central banks are a necessary component of market economies.

These economists understand that having wages or commodity prices established by government fiat would cause shortages, misallocations of capital and hardship. Yet they accept at face value the notion that central banks must determine not only the supply of one particular commodity – money – but also the cost of that commodity via the setting of interest rates.

Printing unlimited amounts of money does not lead to unlimited prosperity. This is readily apparent from observing the Fed’s monetary policy over the past two decades. It has pumped trillions of dollars into the economy, providing money to banks with the hope that this new money will spur lending and, in turn, consumption. These interventions are intended to raise stock prices, lower borrowing costs for companies and individuals, and maintain high housing prices.

But like their predecessors in the 1930s, today’s Fed governors behave as if the height of the credit bubble is the status quo to which we need to return. This confuses money with wealth, and reflects the idea that prosperity stems from high asset prices and large amounts of money and credit.

The push for easy money is not new. Central banking was supposed to have ended the types of periodic financial crises the US experienced throughout the 19th century. Yet US financial panics have only got worse since the centralisation of monetary policy via the creation of the Fed in 1913. The Depression in the 1930s; the haemorrhaging of gold reserves during the 1960s; the stagflation of the 1970s; the dotcom bubble of the early 2000s; and the current recession all have their root in the Fed’s loose monetary policy.

Each of these crises began with an inflationary monetary policy that led to bubbles, and the solution to the busts that inevitably followed has always been to reflate the bubble.

This only sows the seeds for the next crisis. Lowering interest rates in an attempt to forestall a recession in the aftermath of the dotcom bubble required massive credit creation that led to the housing bubble, the collapse of which we still have not recovered from today. Failing to learn the lesson of the bursting of both the dotcom bubble and the housing bubble, the Fed has pumped trillions of dollars into the economy and has promised to leave interest rates at zero through to at least 2014. This will only ensure that the next crisis will be even more destructive than the current one.

Not content with its failed attempts to prop up the US economy, the Fed has set its sights on bailing out Europe, too. Through currency swaps, it has committed to offering potentially hundreds of billions of US dollars to the European Central Bank and we cannot rule out the possibility of direct intervention.

The Fed’s response to the crisis suggests that it believes the current crisis is a problem of liquidity. In fact it is a problem of poorly allocated investments caused by improper pricing of money and credit, pricing which is distorted by the Fed’s inflationary actions.

The Fed has made banks and corporations dependent on cheap money. Instead of looking for opportunities to invest in real products that will serve the needs of consumers, Wall Street awaits the minutes of each Federal Open Market Committee meeting with bated breath, hoping that QE3 and QE4 are just around the corner. It is no wonder that long-term investment and business planning are stagnant.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-02 22:59:22

January 2012
12 Cities Where Home Prices Have Fallen Most

In recent years, the cities with the steepest decline in home prices were the “usual suspects” — notably cities in California, Nevada, Arizona or Florida, where home prices boiled up during the boom and evaporated in the bust. Home prices in most of those cities have stabilized (and some of them now appear on the list of cities with the greatest price increases for the past year).

Most of the cities that made the desultory dozen list peaked late compared with the national market, finally done in by the recession’s high rate of unemployment and foreclosure. Most of them still have an oversupply of inventory, although many have recently seen rising sales.

All of the metropolitan areas we’ve ranked have a population of at least 200,000. Change in home prices reflects the one-year period through September 30, 2011, when the national average was -2.6% and the median home price was $171,250. We also report the change since the national peak in home prices, in the second quarter of 2006. Sales and inventory numbers were drawn from the most current market reports (October or November 2011). Unemployment rate is as of October 2011, when the national average was 8.5%. Foreclosure rate is as of September 30, 2011, when the national average rate was 1 of every 213 housing units, or 0.47%.

Find out which 12 metro areas have housing markets where home prices have fallen the most.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-02 23:04:31

May 1, 2012, 4:47 PM

Plot Thickens on Mortgage Write-Down Debate
By Alan Zibel and Nick Timiraos

Fannie Mae conducted small tests to forgive debts of homeowners who owed more on their mortgages than the properties were worth in 2010. But the mortgage-finance company didn’t expand the pilot programs after concluding the programs were difficult to operate and the benefits weren’t clear, according to a letter from the firms’ federal regulator.

The letter, released Tuesday, disclosed that Fannie developed pilot loan write-down programs with Citigroup Inc. and Wells Fargo & Co. in 2009 and 2010 but they either didn’t launch or barely got off the ground.

Fannie’s loan-forgiveness pilot programs, “to the extent they were begun, ended due to complex operational issues involving system changes, accounting considerations and the interest level of Fannie Mae’s partners,” Alfred Pollard, the Federal Housing Finance Agency’s general counsel, wrote in a letter to Reps. Elijah Cummings (D., Md.) and John Tierney (D., Mass.).

The letter, written in April, was released as the regulator considers whether to accept new funds made available by the Treasury Department to allow some troubled homeowners to receive principal forgiveness.

Messrs. Cummings and Tierney have for months accused the FHFA’s acting director, Edward DeMarco, of obstructing efforts to forgive debts of under-water borrowers. They have been probing Fannie’s pilot programs since earlier this year, when a former Fannie employee called attention to the issue.

They suggested in their own letter Tuesday that the FHFA shelved the Citi pilot for ideological reasons. “This was not merely a missed opportunity, but a conscious choice that appears to have been based on ideology rather than Fannie Mae’s own data and analyses,” the lawmakers wrote.

Mr. DeMarco quickly took issue with the lawmakers’ assertions.

“Having just received a copy of your letter regarding principal forgiveness, I wish to convey my disappointment with this letter, the failure to contact FHFA to address your concerns, and the release of selective elements of the proprietary and confidential materials you received,” he wrote. “I strongly disagree with any characterization of FHFA’s work or motives as anything but in keeping with the professionalism expected of this agency.”

 
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