May 6, 2012

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Comment by Muggy
2012-05-06 03:54:29

This relates to Posers comment the other day that even state/federal goons should be worried.

I may have an opportunity (no offer yet) to operate Race to the Top somewhere in upstate NY. The thing is, it would only be a two year appointment, and when grant funded activities end, you… are left hanging, unless you are in-district, as I am now. In other words, I’m a federal goon, but serve my goonie duties in the district that I have 6 years in.

If I made the leap, and returned home to upstate, and then Obama is not re-elected, I’d probably be unemployed in two years. IMO there is a good chance Romney would renew RTTT, but who knows?

Great article on RTTT
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diane-ravitch/obamas-race-to-the-top-wi_b_666598.html

It gives me a little comfort that my project is student based. The money I spend goes to lab equipment, teacher training and whatnot. Many of the RTTT dollars go to business contracts.

Comment by Professor Bear
2012-05-06 09:33:03

“IMO there is a good chance Romney would renew RTTT, but who knows?”

Or is RTTB more likely in the event of a Republican takeover, as less to the bottom translates into more for the 1%?

 
Comment by 2banana
2012-05-06 09:54:52

If your plan for the future entirely depends on fed/state money being continually being funneled to you - you should have a back-up plan.

The Feds are broke. Eventually the spigot is going to slowed and shut down.

NYS is beyond broke. And they can’t print money. And they are not going to get a Fed bailout. And payments to the public unions will come before all other state spending.

WHATEVER you do - do NOT buy a house in upstate NYS.

Comment by Muggy
2012-05-06 12:47:09

“If your plan for the future entirely depends on fed/state money being continually being funneled to you - you should have a back-up plan.”

I don’t know how else to write what I wrote. I am a fed, but in-district. So, I will return to my district when the grant expires. If I go to another district as a fed, that district doesn’t owe me anything when the grant is over. Make sense?

I am not planning on federal grants to feed my family, believe me.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 14:03:46

NYS is beyond broke. And they can’t print money. And they are not going to get a Fed bailout.

Is a replay of the famous 1975 headline a possibility?

Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-05-06 16:02:43

NYS is beyond broke.

Yeah but we’re borrowing from our pension plans so everything is going to be ok. :0

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-05-06 13:07:09

I don’t know where you are “somewhere in upstate” but if you were coming into our district, I’d feel relatively safe. They’ve done a bang up job of tightening their belts w/o cutting people……so far.

Comment by Muggy
2012-05-06 13:33:08

RTTT steers $ toward persistently lowest achieving schools, so probably not your district. It would either be Syr or Roc proper.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-05-06 16:07:50

Well if you move to Syracuse keep me posted.

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Comment by The UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-05-06 04:23:57

This was in my Email.

The $50 Lesson

Recently, while I was working in the flower beds in the front yard, my neighbors stopped to chat as they returned home from walking their dog.

During our friendly conversation, I asked their 12 year old daughter what she wanted to be when she grows up. She said she wanted to be President some day.

Both of her parents - liberal Democrats - were standing there, so I asked her, “If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?”

She replied, “I’d give food and houses to all the homeless people.”

Her parents beamed with pride!

“Wow…what a worthy goal!” I said. “But you don’t have to wait until you’re President to do that!” I told her.

“What do you mean?” she replied.

So I told her, “You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and trim my hedge, and I’ll pay you $50. Then you can go over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house.”

She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked, “Why doesn’t the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?”

I said, “Welcome to the Republican Party.”

Her parents aren’t speaking to me any more.

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Comment by GrizzlyBear
2012-05-06 07:08:35

A large majority of the homeless are unemployable and suffer from extreme mental problems. The idea that they can just “get a job” is delusional. Queue up Bruce Hornsby’s “The Way It Is.”

Comment by measton
2012-05-06 07:49:08

You can bet that the republican hero did away with long term care facilities for the mentally ill and called them lazy as he kicked them out the door.

My brother during his residency did a rotation through psychiatry. he described several patients that all rotated through the ward. One was psychotic when off his meds he would start fires and break things and yell at people. So he would get admitted stay as long as there was coverage. He would improve on medications then after discharge he would be readmitted within a month usually after causing some major problem. It would have been cheaper for society and better for him to put him in a long term care facility. The others were the same. My favorite story was one where a familty member placed a large sum of money in his psychotic relatives purse and put her on an airplane with a one way ticket and no ID. She didn’t even make it out of the airport. I guess his hope was no one would be able to figure out where she came from.

Comment by rms
2012-05-06 08:12:55

It would have been cheaper for society and better for him to put him in a long term care facility.

Roughly, what does a month’s worth of care cost in a long term facility?

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Comment by Ol'Bubba
2012-05-06 15:21:43

What does it cost, or what does the long term facility charge?

Although they are related, they are two totally different questions.

 
 
 
Comment by vinceinwaukesha
2012-05-06 07:55:28

Around here they’re mostly addiction problems and ex-cons. Often enough, both. You could justifiably consider that a subset of “extreme mental problems”.

I suppose it varies from place to place? Climate is severe enough here that the crazy simply die of hypothermia within a year or end up crippled in public nursing homes due to limb loss from frostbite, so very few homeless are crazy, but many crazy people do end up homeless (its just that they don’t live long on the streets, so they’re under-represented in the stats)

There’s another smaller chaotic attractor of highschool dropout and drug problem and a Venn diagram also with immense overlap of those two. That is also a possible subset of your “unemployable” although its really a “untrained” problem.

In the long run it doesn’t matter if its their fault or economic forces or lack of medical care, all it does is shuffle deck chairs on the titanic, if the bottom 60% are never going to have middle class jobs, and the bottom 25% are never going to have jobs at all but can sponge, and the bottom 5% or whatever are always going to be homeless.

Comment by MightyMike
2012-05-06 18:36:24

Well, schizophrenia does tend to develop, mostly in males, sometime in the late teens or early twenties. That could explain why many of he mentally ill are high school or college dropouts.

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Comment by oxide
2012-05-06 07:39:57

If our Republican hero needed someone to clean his yard for $50, why doesn’t he go out and hire the homeless person himself? Oh that’s right, he would rather pick up someone at the home Depot Parking lot for $28. Or if our Republican hero wanted a pair of pants, why not hire the young girl to buy some material and sew him a pair for $50? Or that’s right, he’d rather buy from a low-paid worker in Banglades for $28,.

Welcome to the Democratic party.

Comment by Posers
2012-05-06 10:56:04

Dumb arguments such as this have no end. Saturday was trying to get his point across to the 12-year-old, which apparently he did.

Now, if you’re going to complain re: Saturday’s statement, why don’t you forego two-thirds of your salary and give it to the homeless? Be that won’t happen, anymore than Saturday will hire a homeless guy.

You won’t hire that homeless guy, either.

Get over yourself.

 
 
Comment by polly
2012-05-06 07:44:45

That is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read (excepting blanket assertions that evolution is a lie and stuff like that).

You would never in a million years hire the homeless man to mow your lawn and do the rest of the chores listed.

This is what you know about the 12 year old:

She is moderately clever or even her involved parents wouldn’t be able to get her to think about poverty and homelessness at her age.
She lives in your heighborhood so she knows the standards you would expect of the chores and if she hasn’t done them herself, she probably has seen her parents do them.
She has involved parents who would help her if it turned out the work was too much for her and would probably help you if their daughter broke your lawnmower or hedge trimmer.
She is used to doing chores (she was helping walk the dog).
She probably has health insurance so that she wouldn’t be suing you for thousands of dollars if she got hurt working on your property (where do you think the phrase “ambulance chaser” comes from?).
She is not on illegal drugs or a drunkard.
You have no problem letting her in your house to use the rest room if it takes her a long time to finish the job.
(probably more, but you can fill in the rest)

What you know and/or don’t know about the homeless guy:
He may never have used a lawn mower or hedge trimmer before and not have anyone who can help him figure it out so you may have to instruct him on the use of the machines and have no idea if he will break them or not.
If he breaks them, you have no recourse since he has no money.
If he hurts himself on your property, you could get your ass sued off.
He may be high on drugs or alcohol.
He may be moderately to severly psychologically impaired.
You don’t want him in your house under any circumstances. Guess where he is going to pee if you don’t let him inside?
He may or may not have any idea how to do the edging, trimming, know what is a weed or a desireable wild flower, etc.

So, the answer to the kid’s question is, “I am willing to hire you because we are similar enough that I trust you. I will never trust the homeless guy enough to hire hi and almost no one else will either. There may be some social service agencies and charities that can help him back in to the labor force but they are largely underfunded. Welcome to the real world, kid.”

Comment by Posers
2012-05-06 11:06:34

Your argument is just as bad, polly.

You spend too much time enjoying cultural activities at taxpayer expense to even notice. Enjoy your six figures and your psychedelic drip while you can, Marie.

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2012-05-06 11:42:32

Jealous much?

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Comment by polly
2012-05-06 13:48:07

Hey, Griz.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2012-05-06 20:00:43

Hey, Polly. :)

 
 
Comment by polly
2012-05-06 12:06:28

My argument is just as bad? As bad as what? First of all, it was an e-mail, Jeff received, not a conversation he had. Do you really think Jeff is spending a lot of time maintaining the flower beds for his deadbeat landlord? All I did was point out that the guy wouldn’t hire the homeless man at all, so the point the writer was allegedly making to the kid - that the guy who needs food and a place to live should work for it - is garbage when the guy who needs food and a place to live can’t get hired by anyone. And a lot of the reasons that guy can’t hired are actully pretty good ones (liability, no way to know that he can do the job, etc.)

You pointed out that no one is going to hire the homeless guy too.

Maybe our idea as to what the result should be is different, but I make any argument about that. I just pointed out that the 12 year olds reaction was garbage. Likely she didn’t know that her neighbor wouldn’t hire the hypothetical homeless guy, but her neighbor sure knew he wouldn’t do it.

What is wrong with anything that I pointed out about the reasons the writer of the anecdote won’t hire the homeless guy? Name even one.

As for my job? I enforce the laws enacted by Congress. You want to get rid of my position? Get Congress to repeal all the applicable laws. I think I found a major boondoggle last week where people are trying to get a bunch of state money to a real estate developer in a very underhanded way. I don’t know if I can do anything except throw sunshine on it (by denying them the right to use the structure that hides the subsidy), but if that is all I can do, at least I will do it.

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Comment by Posers
2012-05-06 12:34:50

Why was the 12-year-old’s reaction garbage? Because she was exposed to a different line of thought than that of her parents? Or because her reaction was one that you would rather her not have?

 
Comment by polly
2012-05-06 13:05:44

Because she is too innocent of the realities of the world to know that her neighbor will be glad to hire her and would never in a million years hire the homeless man for the reasons I detailed above and any number of others. She has the opportunity to turn her time and effort into money. He does not.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-05-06 13:29:50

“Because she is too innocent of the realities of the world”

That’s bull. My father traveled. We were pretty in tune w/who Mom let in the house in his absense. Twelve year old — I would have asked her in. Smelly guy whose clothes looked like he slept in them. No way in hades.

I suppose in some households kids are protected from scary stories. But in others the parents try to innoculate you against the realities of the world. Gosh, Polly by 12 my Dad was warning me about the neighborhood boys and what they were thinking of the some of my clothing choices. We were WAY past people you shouldn’t let in the house.

 
Comment by polly
2012-05-06 14:38:56

I didn’t say you were too innocent at 12 years old to realize it. I said that the 12 year old in the story was too innocent to realize it. As illustrated by the fact that she asked why her neighbor couldn’t just hire the homeless man to do the chores instead of her doing them and giving the homeless man the money she earned doing it. You take things way too personally, CarrieAnn

 
Comment by The UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-05-06 14:44:06

“First of all, it was an e-mail, Jeff received, not a conversation he had. Do you really think Jeff is spending a lot of time maintaining the flower beds for his deadbeat landlord?”

Correct on both points and by the way I have not laughed that hard in a long, long time. :) Although I do cut the lawn and fix the sprinklers, I have not done on any home beautification projects for my DB LL. Even when I owned my own place I wasn`t much of a flower bed kinda guy.

 
 
Comment by Anon In DC
2012-05-06 16:45:07

Polly Poser is saying the guy did not intend to really do those things hire the kid or homeless. But he did a good job of making the point to the kid that community organizers and other generous with people’s money NEVER want to spend their own money. Case in point Warren Buffent and Obummer who both say that they should pay more taxes. So far neither one has made a very large donation to the treasury.

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Comment by measton
2012-05-06 18:41:53

Hasn’t a community organizer already donated a much larger portion of his or her time and energy. Seriously how much does a community organizer make.

Tell us how many republicans accept medicare and other handouts. You know the Tea Party types that say get the Gov’s hands off my medicare. When you figure that out come back and make a point.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 14:11:47

“You would never in a million years hire the homeless man to mow your lawn and do the rest of the chores listed.”

This avenue of compassion has seriously backfired on some people.

Elizabeth Smart Found Alive in Utah
Published March 12, 2003

Elizabeth Smart, the 15-year-old girl whose disappearance nine months ago shocked and baffled the nation, was found alive Wednesday in a Salt Lake City suburb with a drifter, police said.

The man was taken into custody and the teenager was whisked away for a long-awaited reunion with her jubilant family.

“Miracles do exist,” said Tom Smart, the girl’s uncle.

Relatives of Emmanuel, whose real name is Brian Mitchell, have described him as a self-appointed prophet for the homeless who lived in a teepee in mountains outside the city. He was hired by the Smarts in November 2001 to work on their roof. Elizabeth disappeared seven months later.

Comment by Pete
2012-05-06 16:14:55

Indeed. From Wikipedia:
“The Smarts sought to help unemployed people in the community by paying them for odd jobs or handy work around the property.[24] Mitchell, ….had been the one who informed many homeless people that the Smarts would hire them, and also worked for them himself one day. He worked at the Smarts’ home for five hours, helping on the roof and raking leaves.[25][26]

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Comment by rms
2012-05-06 23:22:29

Haunting isn’t it?

 
 
 
 
Comment by SV guy
2012-05-06 08:33:30

I am continually amazed that people still fall for the two party tag team.

Both are fundamentally skunks.

Comment by The UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-05-06 08:37:35

“Both are fundamentally skunks.”

I know, but I thought this might help boost the usually low number of Comments for a Sunday. :)

 
Comment by Posers
2012-05-06 11:14:36

That’s because they’re still raking in big salaries, in part, by doing just that.

They’ll continue to eat the young until there is nothing left. Bragging about their $100K+ salaries while college grads in their 20s are flipping burgers.

 
Comment by Anon In DC
2012-05-06 16:48:23

I like the two party system. Very stable and slow moving. I know that’s considered a flaw but given that which governs lest governs best I want a slow lumbering goverment.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-06 17:51:08

I am continually amazed that people still fall for the two party tag team.

Both are fundamentally skunks.

BINGO….. we have a winner.

 
Comment by measton
2012-05-06 18:46:13

It’s not the two party system I fear, it’s the one party system that masquerades as a two party system

Comment by measton
2012-05-06 18:47:57

I also fear any party where one or two people make the decisions and everyone else votes as they are told to ensure re election and access to money.

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Comment by rms
2012-05-06 23:24:02

+1 on both points!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 04:32:08

Am I missing something, or isn’t deficit-cutting austerity generally the Republican economic plan for America?

It might be prudent before leaping to see how this deficit cutting austerity prescription is working for Europe:

The Miami Herald > Business > National Business
Posted on Wednesday, 05.02.12
Eurozone unemployment hits record high

Alice, a homeless woman, left, begs for alms, as people protest against the government’s tough new labor reforms and cutbacks in Pamplona, northern Spain, Tuesday, May 1, 2012. Banging drums and waving flags, tens of thousands of workers marked May Day in European cities Tuesday with a mix of anger and gloom over austerity measures imposed by leaders trying to contain the eurozone’s intractable debt crisis.
Alvaro Barrientos / AP Photo
By PAN PYLAS
AP Business Writer

LONDON — The 17 countries that use the euro are facing the highest unemployment rates in the history of the currency as recession once again spreads across Europe, pressuring leaders to focus less on austerity and more on stimulating growth.

Unemployment in the eurozone rose by 169,000 in March, official figures showed Wednesday, taking the rate up to 10.9 percent - its highest level since the euro was launched in 1999. The seasonally adjusted rate was up from 10.8 percent in February and 9.9 percent a year ago and contrasts sharply with the picture in the U.S., where unemployment has fallen from 9.1 percent in August to 8.2 percent in March. Spain had the highest rate in the eurozone, 24.1 percent - and an alarming 51.1 percent for people under 25.

Austerity has been the main prescription across Europe for dealing with a debt crisis that’s afflicted the continent for nearly three years and has raised the specter of the breakup of the single currency. Three countries - Greece, Ireland and Portugal - have already required bailouts because of unsustainable levels of debt.

Eight eurozone countries, including Greece, Spain and the Netherlands, have seen their economies shrink for two straight quarters or more, the common definition of a recession.

Economies are contracting across the eurozone as governments cut spending and raise taxes to reduce deficits. That has prompted economists to urge European Union policymakers to dial back on short-term budget-cutting and focus on stimulating long-term growth.

“The question is how long EU leaders will continue to pursue a deeply flawed strategy in the face of mounting evidence that this is leading us to social, economic and political disaster,” said Sony Kapoor, managing director of Re-Define, an economic think-tank and policy advisory company.

In a nod to shifting attitudes about austerity, European Central Bank president Mario Draghi recently called for a “growth pact” in Europe to work alongside the “fiscal pact” that has placed so much importance on controlling government spending.

Bailout fears have intensified in recent months as Spain, Italy and other governments face rising borrowing costs on bond markets, a sign that investors are nervous about the size of their debts relative to their economic output. Austerity is intended to address this nervousness by reducing a government’s borrowing needs, but there has been a negative side effect: As economic output shrinks, the debt burden actually looks worse.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-05-06 08:39:27

Unemployment in the eurozone rose by 169,000 in March, official figures showed Wednesday, taking the rate up to 10.9 percent

Silly Europeans, they just need to calculate unemployment the way we do, so that they too can claim 8% unemployment when 1/3 of their potential workforce doesn’t work!

Comment by Posers
2012-05-06 11:16:47

So, did you carve that $125/hr. part-time/hourly gig into four parts, so that you plus three other people could make a more equitable $30/hr. each?

Bet not.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2012-05-06 09:59:09

So what is the alternative?

Keep spending/deficits at insane levels until the whole government and economy collapses?

So instead of worrying about 10-15% unemployment you will then need to worry about 100% unemployment?

Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-05-06 10:35:21

Define “insane”

Austerity works great for those with fat bank accounts.

The rest of us will be scratching out some way to stay alive for the next 20-30 years.

The 1%er and corporations have shifted the tax burden to the middle class. And set up the conditions where it will be impossible for the middle class to pay the bills.

I’m betting that even out here in low-tax Flyover, my personal yearly bill for taxes/user fees/etc. is approaching 50% of my gross.

The basic problem is that the 1%er are a bunch of cheap bastards, who insist on screwing their “opponents” out of every dime they can.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-05-06 11:11:15

The Republicans in Congress don’t believe in austerity. Their budget does not balance, let alone pay down the debt.

Comment by 2banana
2012-05-06 11:35:59

Let me see if I understand your logic.

Per year, deficits under Bush averaged $425 billion. Per year, deficits under Obama (according to his own numbers) will average $1.293 trillion — or more than three times as much.

And we should do nothing about it? Not one cut. Not one reduction. Do nothing that at least start heading us in the right direction?

Your only standard for success is a balanced budget and anything else is a failure that you can take your partisan pot shots at?

And yet you are silent on the insane obama/dem budgets for the last 4 years.

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The Republicans in Congress don’t believe in austerity. Their budget does not balance, let alone pay down the debt.

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-05-06 17:30:56

I don’t know what logic has to do with it. I don’t see deficit reduction in the Republican plan. If I did I might support it. What I see is austerity for the masses and tax cuts for the rich and deficits as far as the eye can see.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-06 17:53:24

The Repukes no more want a balanced budget than the dems want to help us peons.

You’re a complete idiot if you believe either.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-05-06 17:57:40

And it is the Republicans in Congress that are claiming we need austerity so that we can balance the budget. So if their budget does not do that, then it is a failure by their standards.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-05-06 18:39:13

“The Repukes no more want a balanced budget than the dems want to help us peons. “

Unfortunately, I suspect you are right. So I guess it comes down to which party’s policies do you believe will hurt you the least. And for some, the analysis is reasonably based on social issues and not fiscal ones.

I often ask myself why I feel the way I do about some issues. I am past the point of being directly affected by abortion and family planning. I firmly believe that most people are better off working than not working. I intend to work as long as I am able and would be content if my life ended before I become completely decrepit. I have never been part of nor have any desire to join a union.

I also firmly believe that public parks and public libraries are a net benefit to society even if they never turn a profit.

 
Comment by MightyMike
2012-05-06 18:45:50

Remember, Dick Cheney said that deficits don’t matter.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-06 18:48:46

Isn’t it amazing that 10 years later, the only thing that matters to repukes is “the deficit”.

 
Comment by measton
2012-05-06 19:08:49

1. Bush lived during the expansion of the credit bubble Obama has lived in it’s aftermath. 2b even you are smart enough to make that distinction. The deficits from capital gains tax cuts of 2003 (enacted the following year) the wars and medicare prescription drug plan (enacted in 2004 but costs rose rapidly over the first several years) all pushed by GW have ended up on Obama’s balance sheet.

Here’s a nice bit on the medicare prescription drug plan

By the design of the program, the federal government is not permitted to negotiate prices of drugs with the drug companies, as federal agencies do in other programs. The Department of Veterans Affairs, which is allowed to negotiate drug prices and establish a formulary, pays 58% less for drugs, on average, than Medicare Part D[not in citation given].[26] For example, Medicare pays $785 for a year’s supply of Lipitor (atorvastatin), while the VA pays $520.

Former Congressman Billy Tauzin, R-La., who steered the bill through the House, retired soon after and took a $2 million a year job as president of Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA), the main industry lobbying group. Medicare boss Thomas Scully, who threatened to fire Medicare Chief Actuary Richard Foster if he reported how much the bill would actually cost, was negotiating for a new job as a pharmaceutical lobbyist as the bill was working through Congress.[27][28] A total of 14 congressional aides quit their jobs to work for the drug and medical lobbies immediately after the bill’s passage.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Anon In DC
2012-05-06 16:51:05

So the answer to debt is more debt? Just as you have a hangover from drinking you have an economic hangover from overspending.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-05-06 17:34:36

I see a lot of this drug/booze analogy. Cold turkey withdrawls from a lot of drugs, including alcohol, can be fatal for the addict/alcoholic. We are not recovering from 1 night of partying. We are recovering from about 30 years of it.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 04:39:12

“Inventory is ratcheting up even as sales are falling.”

I know it is different in Vancouver, but anywhere else on the planet, this development would signal an incipient crash.

Vancouver real estate cools — could Toronto be next?
CBC News
Posted: May 4, 2012 11:06 AM ET
Last Updated: May 4, 2012 3:40 PM ET

Housing market to stay stable, says CMHC

Prices continue to rise in Canada’s two largest real estate markets, but a closer look at the numbers shows two housing markets headed in different directions.

Both cities have been singled out by the Canadian Real Estate Association for either skewing the national numbers higher and lower in recent months. And both cities remain among the hottest real estate markets in the country.

And the similarities don’t end there.

Resale prices move higher

On the surface, new data from real estate boards in the two markets shows prices for resale homes are indeed still rising. In Toronto, the average price of a resale home was $517,556 in April — an 8.5 per cent increase from the same month a year earlier.

The average price in Vancouver, meanwhile, was $683,800 in April, up 3.7 per cent compared to a year ago.

Rising prices are broadly perceived to be the surest sign of a buoyant housing market, but the number of homes sold — and the number of homes listed for sale — tell a different story.

In Vancouver, there were 2,799 sales on the Multiple Listings Service last month. That’s a 13.2 per cent decline from the 3,225 homes sold the same month a year earlier. Indeed, the number of homes sold in April in Vancouver is the lowest total for that month since 2001, the Real Estate Board of Greater Vancouver (REBGV) noted in a release this week.

“Although April sales were below what’s typical for the month, we continue to see … a balanced relationship between buyer demand and seller supply in our marketplace,” REBGV president Eugen Klein said.

Others are not so sure. Real estate analyst Ben Rabidoux with M Partners says the drop-off in sales even as more homes come on the market is a trend worth noting. New Vancouver listings totaled 6,056 in April, more than double the number of homes sold and a 3.6 per cent increase on the level a year earlier.

The new listings figure is 6.7 per cent above the 10-year average for the month.

“This is something I’ve been watching for a while,” Rabidoux said. “Inventory is ratcheting up even as sales are falling.”

Comment by In Colorado
2012-05-06 08:41:07

Are they running out of rich, all cash foreign buyers?

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 04:45:36

Will the all-cash Chinese buyers continue investing on the North American West Coast, even as housing prices continue to decline back home?

May 1, 2012, 11:03 p.m. ET

China April Housing Prices Slide For 8th Straight Month

SHANGHAI—Housing prices in 100 major cities in China were lower for the eighth consecutive month in April, China Real Estate Index System said Wednesday.

The data provider said a survey of property developers and real-estate agencies showed the average home price in April was lower at CNY8,711 a square meter, compared with CNY8,741 in March and CNY8,767 in February.

The survey, which the company compiles together with online real-estate brokerage SouFun Holdings Ltd., (SFUN +2.84%) is widely watched after China scrapped a national property price index in February last year.

China Real Estate Index System said property prices in 29 cities rose in April compared with the previous month, while prices in the rest of the 71 cities posted a decline.

Compared with a year earlier, the average price of a new home in April registered a decline for the first time since last June, dropping by 0.71%, according to the survey by SouFun Holdings.

Average home prices in 10 major cities, such as Beijing and Shanghai, fell 0.4% to CNY15,391 a square meter in April from a month earlier; on a year-on-year basis, prices declined for a fourth consecutive month in April, down 2.6% from a year earlier.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-05-06 08:42:57

I wonder how many Chinese millionaires there are, and how many of them have already bought a house in Canada or the US West coast?

Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-05-06 10:39:56

Repeat of 1946-49. The 1%ers in China at the time flew to Taiwan (courtesy of the USAF in a lot of cases) with their loot, to avoid the torches and pitchforks.

Taiwan must be out of room. Or they figure that buying our politicians is cheaper. Globalization at work for you…….

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 04:50:55

Would Romney be more likely to adopt protectionist measures against China than Obama has been? This article suggests such policy might amount to fighting yesterday’s war.

Economic Scene
China’s Vanishing Trade Imbalance
By EDUARDO PORTER
Published: May 1, 2012

America’s economic imbalance with China has been a singular concern of policy makers for more than half a decade. Senators Charles E. Schumer and Lindsey Graham wanted to punish China for pegging the exchange rate to the dollar in 2005 — arguing that its policy of cheapening the currency to subsidize exports was fueling a huge trade surplus that cost America jobs.

Their bill never passed. But reducing China’s surpluses has remained at the top of the bilateral agenda ever since.

Something unexpected has happened to China’s economy, however. Its surplus with the rest of the world has largely disappeared.

China’s imbalance with the United States is still likely to take center stage when Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner sits down to the fourth round of the U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue this week. But he will have a harder time making the case that America’s trade deficit is somehow China’s fault.

China’s current-account surplus — the broadest measure of its trade relations, which tracks how much more China exports in goods and services than it imports — has plummeted. In 2007 it amounted to more than 10 percent of the entire Chinese economy.

By last year it had shrunk to about 2.8 percent. And the International Monetary Fund estimates it will decline to 2.3 percent of the nation’s output in 2012, the smallest since 2001.

The United States’ current-account deficit has shrunk, too, to 3.1 percent from 5.1 of American gross domestic product. Senator Schumer and colleagues nonetheless continue to attack China for its cheap currency. Last October the Senate passed a bill, which has yet to pass the House, to let American companies seek duties on Chinese imports to compensate for what is said to be an undervaluation.

Mitt Romney has promised that if he becomes president he will declare China guilty of currency manipulation, something which the Obama administration has declined to do and which would pave the way to slapping duties on Chinese exports.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-05-06 08:49:06

And yet everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, sold at big box stores (and other stores) is made in China.

According to this nice little chart, the trade deficit has held pretty steady during the past two years:

http://www.census.gov/indicator/www/ustrade.html

Comment by Professor Bear
2012-05-06 09:46:36

“And yet everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, sold at big box stores (and other stores) is made in China.”

And that, in turn, is where U.S. consumers derive a great benefit from the output of China’s factories.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-05-06 10:43:46

How much of that imbalance has been due to selling $100/barrel oil to China?

If anyone was worried about “energy independence” and the economy, not a drop of it would be exported. But now we know where the truth lies.

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2012-05-06 13:47:51

A golfing buddy told me his wife asked him to pick up a carton or bottle of apple juice when he went to the convenience store to pick up the Sunday NYT. When he came home with a container of Nestle apple juice, she checked and saw it said “Made in China” on the label. Apple juice!

They’ll be taking it back, unopened.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-05-06 15:44:41

“And that, in turn, is where U.S. consumers derive a great benefit from the output of China’s factories.”

Not really. US retailers will always charge “what the market will bear” It is completely disconnected from production costs. Passing the savings onto the consumer is a myth.

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Comment by measton
2012-05-06 19:11:06

Bingo

Prices fell some but most of the benefit went to owners and management and WS.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 04:53:06

Schumpeter
The Mormon way of business
The Mormons have produced a striking number of successful businesspeople
May 5th 2012 | from the print edition

JOKES about sacred underpants have reached epidemic proportions, thanks to Mitt Romney’s presidential bid and the musical masterpiece by Matt Stone and Trey Parker, “The Book of Mormon”. But the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, to give it its full name, is fighting back. A huge advertising campaign features ordinary people doing ordinary things—a white man sporting a beard, a black man sporting a moustache and a young skateboarder flying through the air—with the tag line: “I’m a Mormon.”

The snag is, not everyone will buy the idea that Mormons are just like the rest of us. They don’t get drunk. They have large families, stable marriages and a three-month supply of food in the larder in case of Armageddon. They are usually clean-cut and neatly dressed (the facial hair in the “I’m a Mormon” ads is thankfully atypical). And they have a passion for business.

Comment by vinceinwaukesha
2012-05-06 08:23:35

“The snag is, not everyone will buy the idea that Mormons are just like the rest of us….And they have a passion for business.”

My friends and coworkers who have spent time in majority Mormon areas would disagree, in that they only buy products/services from you if you’re also a Mormon. I’ve heard the only other business with a religion requirement (and only for wholesale deals not retail) is/was the orthodox diamond dealers in NYC. There are markets and situations where religion enters into the deal, but only those two markets have religion as #1 priority and business/finance as #2 priority as far as I know.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-05-06 09:05:26

My friends and coworkers who have spent time in majority Mormon areas would disagree, in that they only buy products/services from you if you’re also a Mormon.

So no tradesmen with little fishies painted on the side of their business vehicles in Utahrr?

It has also been my experience that the LDS tend to close ranks in the world of business.

As for the LDS having “stable marriages” consider this: divorce is a rite (AKA A Temple Divorce)in the LDS church. In other words, you can undo your “marriage for all eternity”, with the church’s blessing.

Comment by CharlieTango
2012-05-06 09:13:26

“marriage for all eternity”

that would be for ‘time and all eternity”

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Comment by SV guy
2012-05-06 09:30:42

“There are markets and situations where religion enters into the deal, but only those two markets have religion as #1 priority and business/finance as #2 priority as far as I know.”

I believe the Federal Reserve also operates in this fashion. ;-)

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 09:50:23

I’ve heard of B2B supply chains. You are suggesting there is an M2M supply chain. As long as the Mormons remain a small fraction of the overall U.S. population,
and you avoid living in majority Mormon areas such as Providence, UT, there is nothing to fear. If they somehow establish a majority at some point in the future, you may as well join or else leave the country, as anyone who doesn’t belong to the club will be an economic outcast.

(In fairness, it isn’t only the LDS religion that operates this way; the small towns where my parents grew up had a similar de facto policy of ostracizing anyone who did not belong to their church.)

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 05:01:10

So far as I can tell, Realtors® essentially control web sites such as Zillow and Redfin to their industry’s advantage. Since these listing web sites have so far been organized as a complement (e.g. Realtor® referral service) rather than a substitute to traditional real estate sales, I am missing the mystery expressed by The Economist writers over the long lived 6 percent real estate commission in America. I imagine it took a while before buggy whip sales commissions were a thing of the past, as well.

American property
The great realtor rip-off
Why is it so expensive to buy or sell a house in America?
May 5th 2012 | from the print edition

I made $970,000 last year. How much did you make?

IN BRITAIN, if you want to sell your home, an estate agent will list the property, find a buyer, help you negotiate a deal and guide you through the transaction, all for a commission of 2-3% of the sale price. In America, realtors provide the same services for roughly double the fee.

Are they worth it? The shouty realtors in David Mamet’s film Glengarry Glen Ross (pictured) certainly think so. (“[My] watch costs more than your car…that’s who I am.”) Others disagree. Chang-Tai Hsieh of the University of Chicago finds that American property brokers cause “social waste” of $8 billion a year via overcharging and inefficiency.

Economists are baffled. The internet has squelched inefficient middlemen in other industries, from insurance brokers to travel agents. Why not American realtors? Although scores of discount brokers and for-sale-by-owner websites have sprouted up, traditional full-service realtors have somehow maintained their market share of 80% without reducing fees.

Comment by azdude
2012-05-06 06:36:08

list the home yourself and pay the buyers agent 2%. it is not rocket science to open up an escrow at a title company.

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2012-05-06 07:13:39

List the home where? It sure as hell won’t be on the mls, where the shoppers are.

Comment by SD Renter
2012-05-06 08:32:27

You can pay someone $350-400 to list a home on the MLS. And if you want the realtors to drool over your listing and get the price bid up, offer them 4%, not 2%.

They will steer clients toward your property but they sure as hell won’t for 2%. You will more than make up that extra 2% you’re paying by getting multiple offers if your house is priced reasonably.

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2012-05-06 13:50:30

Idiocracy. How many people in the U.S. can do their own tax returns?

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-05-06 15:40:29

Idiocracy. How many people in the U.S. can do their own tax returns?

Judging by the prevalence of tax service sign twirlers prior to April 15, not many.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-05-06 21:40:20

I’d guess that Romney doesn’t and I would not call him an idiot. I’d also guess that his taxes are a bit more complicated than mine.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 09:52:33

“…list the home yourself and pay the buyers agent 2%.”

Why pay traditional real estate agents at all when homes can be listed and sold on the internet? I doubt you would advocate paying a buggy whip salesman a 2% commission at the point when you purchase a car.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-05-06 09:08:29

I think that the problem is that while it’s easy to list your home yourself, most buyers will still seek a realtor. And from what I’ve heard realtors will steer buyers away from FSBO’s.

Comment by azdude
2012-05-06 09:28:36

that is why i’m saying offer 2% to the buyers agent. you do not need the mls this day and age to sell your home. all you have to do is advertise it on the internet and offer a commission to a buyers agent. It can save you a lot of money.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 09:53:39

“…most buyers will still seek a realtor.”

Eventually the NAR crime syndicate will die out of existence, as with the internet, there is no fundamental need to employ realtors in order to sell homes, especially at a 6 percent commission.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-05-06 10:52:39

My best story about sleazy Realtors.

Dad had his place for sale as a FSBO. A couple who had a “buyer’s contract” with the realtor came by on their own (sans realtor), to check it out, and were interested.

Realtor calls Dad, says that Dad owes the Realtor 3% of the sales price, if the sale goes thru. (Dad has NO CONTRACT, he’s selling FSBO)

Yeah, Mr Realtor……he don’t know my dad very well, do he? :)

Comment by rms
2012-05-06 11:04:07

Realtor calls Dad, says that Dad owes the Realtor 3% of the sales price, if the sale goes thru. (Dad has NO CONTRACT, he’s selling FSBO)

Someone has to be pretty desperate to make that call.

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Comment by ecofeco
2012-05-06 11:42:33

Desperate? No. Most RE agents I’ve met are self-absorbed entitlement a-holes. And that’s being nice.

 
 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-05-06 11:39:13

Eventually, this thing here that we’re on called the Internet will automate the entire process.

The first company to realize and implement this will destroy the status quo.

When I bought my first house many moons ago, the Internet wasn’t as automated, but it was enough that I could look at the tax office records and see past sales and calculate a simple progress chart, look for listings on-line and conduct a lot of the business by email. I was also able to quickly research terms and concepts I knew little about so that I was knowledgeable when talking to the RE agent.

I was able to renegotiate the asking price without a counteroffer and buy the place within 3 months of my first walk around. It only took that long because the agent was a slacker.

At car dealers, fleet sales now operate this way for the most part.

RE agents will either learn to expedite or go out of business.

There needs to be a LOT more transparency in RE.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-05-06 23:29:40

A couple of things:

1. I ran into the brother of a former high school classmate a number of years ago. He is a realtor. I commented to him how ridiculous I thought it was that on the commercial side of the business, one can negotiate whatever fee they want for the sale of a property (you have a massive commercial portfolio, you might be able to negotiate less than 1%; if you have a small building, it might be 6%), and how on the residential side, the fee is non-negotiable. He rebuffed the idea that the fee was non-negotiable…when pressed, he said that they are told they cannot negotiate the fee to less than 5%. Negotiable my *ss.

2. Regarding Redfin…my understanding is that they are a threat to the RE establishment–don’t they charge a fixed price on the sell side? And on the buy side, don’t they apply any overage fee earned from the seller to your (the buyer’s) closing costs? Am I wrong with this?

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 05:04:40

Investing in banks
The not-for-profit sector

May 5th 2012 | from the print edition

NARY a cucumber sandwich was thrown and the heckling was rather subdued. But the genteel rebellion over executive pay at the Barclays shareholders’ meeting in London last month, an echo of similar disquiet at annual meetings in America (see article), shows how fed up bank investors have become with their returns.

No wonder. Between 2007 and the end of last year shareholders in banks globally have lost almost 10% of their investment each year, according to the Boston Consulting Group (see chart 1). Behind this international average lie some truly horrible losses. Investors who stuck it out in Dutch banks saw the value of their holdings fall by almost 28% a year. Holders of French, German and Swiss banks suffered average annual losses of close to 20%. Those in American and British banks lost 14% and 16% a year respectively. “The little secret to doing well…has been ‘just don’t hold banks’,” says Jacob de Tusch-Lec, a fund manager at Artemis.

A fall in the price of an asset is usually a good signal to consider buying it. But those investors who thought that they had timed the bottom of the market have been proved wrong again and again. “I’ve been dipping in and out of Italian banks but am keeping very quiet about it,” says one fund manager. “Last year when I told an investor [in my fund] that I was holding some he got up and left the room.”

Comment by combotechie
2012-05-06 06:58:01

“A fall in the price of an asset is usually a good signal to consider buying it.”

It is if you have a good idea of the asset’s intristic value. But if you don’t then you are just speculating.

Investing = You know the intrinstic value of an asset and you are buying the asset below this value.

Speculating = You don’t know the asset’s intristic value so you use Price as a guide, which means Price = Value.

If Price = Value then the value goes up when the price goes up, and vice-versa. But Price (as opposed to Value) is determined by what other people think - people you don’t even know. So if you are going to base your buying and selling decisions of what strangers think then you are at the whim of what can turn out to be some very strange thinking.

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2012-05-06 07:17:01

With today’s Enron-style accounting, there is no way to ascertain intrinsic value.

Comment by combotechie
2012-05-06 07:23:06

Which means the market driven by speculative interests rather than investment interests.

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Comment by GrizzlyBear
2012-05-06 08:40:05

Well, duh..

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-05-06 10:55:03

Don’t know what the bank infestors are complaining about. Their stock would be worth ZERO, if there had been no government intervention, and nature had taken it’s course.

 
 
 
Comment by combotechie
2012-05-06 07:21:02

Ben Graham said that in the short-term the market is a voting machine while in the long-term it is a weighing machine.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 13:39:14

“A fall in the price of an asset is usually a good signal to consider buying it.”

Doesn’t this depend –

1) On the level of government intervention to artificially prop up asset prices (e.g. Bernanke put to prop up stock prices; Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, FHA and Fed intervention to prop up housing prices, etc);

2) On how overvalued the asset was before the fall in the price (for instance, Japanese real estate was so overvalued by 1989 that it subsequently fell for two straight decades without reaching a bottom)?

Comment by Rental Watch
2012-05-06 23:36:14

I think the key word is “consider”. When asset values collapse, one should CONSIDER buying, but you should make sure that what you are buying actually is cheap AND good.

We’ve seen some assets fall to values that were remarkably cheap relative to what they cost to build (and would cost to build today), but were located in areas where the assets may not be in demand (viable) for decades to come (regardless of price), so we passed.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 05:13:45

This article suggests a Romney presidency would spell austerity early on, followed by high defense spending but cuts elsewhere in government. Does this seem like a reasonable guess?

Fiscal policy
Cliff-diving
The election will determine whether a nasty dose of austerity can be avoided
May 5th 2012 | WASHINGTON, DC | from the print edition

AMERICANS have watched austerity sweep Europe with a certain Schadenfreude. But eight months from now they may get a dose of the same medicine. The political compromises that have produced much of America’s deficit of 8% of GDP are programmed to go into reverse at the end of the year, two months after the election. A stimulus package consisting of a payroll-tax cut, investment tax credit and enhanced unemployment insurance expires then, as do George W. Bush’s tax cuts (which have already been extended by two years from their original end-date of 2010). At the same time an automatic, across-the-board cut in domestic and defence spending, called a “sequester”, takes effect, cutting about $100 billion from government spending next year.

If Barack Obama is re-elected, he will presumably be more willing to let the Bush cuts expire than he was during his first term. He may well not have to worry about the Treasury hitting its debt ceiling until next February. Republicans, who will probably still control the House of Representatives and possibly the Senate, may realise this. They may thus be more ready to strike a grand bargain—a deficit plan that both raises some new tax revenue and reduces the growth of entitlements, such as government-funded pensions.

But it would be hard to pass such complex changes by December 31st. At best, the two sides may agree on a framework for a bargain. They would then probably extend some or all of the Bush tax cuts and delay the sequester for a year. Yet there is no guarantee they would use that time wisely and reach a deal. Credit-rating agencies may well lose patience.

If Mitt Romney wins, Republicans, who would probably in that case control the Senate as well as the House, would have no incentive to negotiate with a lame-duck president. They would wait until Mr Romney is sworn in, then (retroactively) make the Bush tax cuts permanent, insulate defence spending from the sequester, and repeal Mr Obama’s health-care reform using a parliamentary process that cannot be filibustered. All that would take months. In the interim Mr Obama would presumably not, as his last act as president, extend the tax cuts he loathes so much or spare Republicans the pain of the sequester. The full force of unintended austerity would bite—for at least a few months.

Comment by aNYCdj
2012-05-06 06:49:22

I never understood why we just don’t deduct a percentage out of everyone’s paycheck for healthcare? 5% under $10 hr 7% from 10 to $20hr and 10% after that every one pays something….

and repeal Mr Obama’s health-care reform using a parliamentary process that cannot be filibustered.

Comment by vinceinwaukesha
2012-05-06 08:11:56

LOL aNYCdj we already have that, its called Medicare and its more like one and a half percent up to 100 grand and its only for old people. Please no need for pedantic corrections I know its microscopically less than 1.5% and a tiny bit more than 100K limit and sixties might not be old by your definition especially if you are personally in your sixties, etc.

As Churchill said, you can always count on Americans to do the right thing, after they’ve tried everything else first.

After trying every hair-brained madness scheme to pay for healthcare, we’ll probably settle on either expanding medicare or using local property taxes. Probably both… like prop taxes for urgent stuff like emergency room and urgent care and maternity, and expanded medicare for non-urgent specialist-type care. Then throw in health savings accounts for non medically required care. A lot of intermediaries will make a lot of money on the way to the solution, but we’ll get there some century.

Sending more money into the system to provide more care will not give care to more people, it’ll just mean they’ll ask for more money. Just like govt investment into college loans doesn’t result in more people going to college, it just means tuition increases. Lowering health care costs is a totally separate seemingly impossible issue, from providing health care to everyone which in sharp comparison is actually pretty cheap and easy.

Comment by aNYCdj
2012-05-06 10:51:59

So why do we have millions and millions too rich for welfare yet too poor to have their own health insurance?

Seeing a deduction each week might get people to take better care of themselves..

LOL aNYCdj we already have that, its called Medicare and its more like one and a half percent up to 100 grand and its only for old people.

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Comment by Hi-Z
2012-05-06 12:26:57

“LOL aNYCdj we already have that, its called Medicare and its more like one and a half percent up to 100 grand and its only for old people.”

There is NO upper wage limit for Medicare taxes: 1.45% from employee and 1.45% from employer to infinity.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2012-05-06 15:14:42

now what about a payroll tax on poor people so they can have insurance?

 
 
 
Comment by rms
2012-05-06 08:35:38

I was raised in a family that bought catastrophic health insurance, and wrote a check for typical doctor visits, which didn’t cost too much because the bill was only covering the services that we received, not three others too. It appears that people today don’t want to pay out of pocket for anything unless it glitters or results in a high. I get a good laugh looking at the “wide-azz” wheel chairs at the walk-in clinic these days, an amazing societal descent.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-05-06 11:47:49

I never understood why we just don’t deduct a percentage out of everyone’s paycheck for healthcare?

We already do. Have for decades.

Comment by aNYCdj
2012-05-06 15:15:42

then why are so many uncovered?????

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Comment by Anon In DC
2012-05-06 17:00:30

Because of lot of people don’t have paychecks. Those that do aret tired of supporting the others.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2012-05-06 08:10:39

and repeal Mr Obama’s health-care reform using a parliamentary process that cannot be filibustered.

Do they mean Reconciliation? Obamacare was actually two bills: one non-budget passed on a dealry-bought 60-vote cloture, and the budget pieces by reconciliation. I don’t think the R’s can repeal the non-budget pieces without help from Dems.

Comment by 2banana
2012-05-06 10:12:01

Can’t the R’s just put out bills on healthcare and demand that we have to pass it to see what is inside?

Oh wait…

Comment by oxide
2012-05-06 13:18:37

Of course they can, 2banana. They’ve been in charge of the House for over a year. Nothing is stopping them. For example, are there any bills that would sell insurance over state lines or reform tort? During the Obamacare debate, those two acts were sold as panacea by every R on TV. But where are said bills? Have the R’s introduced any? Have they passed any?

Please give me a link to bills they’ve passed, so I can see what’s inside them.

Or am I going to be met with crickets yet again?

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-06 17:59:59

I’m still waiting for banana to tell me where in upstate he lived.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 05:21:09

Was it wrong of me to interpret Bill in LA’s recent crowing about his stellar stock market gains as a shoe-sign-boy moment for the onset of the season of summer stock market declines?

Stock Market Lookahead
‘Jitters’ from Europe
By Hibah Yousuf
@CNNMoneyInvest
May 6, 2012: 7:48 AM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) — When U.S. investors start trading in the coming week, they’ll have two big bits of global news to chew over: Election outcomes in France and Greece.

With limited economic and corporate news due out of the United States next week, “any and all” news out of Europe will be back in focus, said Ryan Detrick, senior technical strategist at Schaeffer’s Investment Research.

In France, socialist candidate Francois Hollande is widely expected to defeat president Nicolas Sarkozy, raising questions about the future of austerity throughout Europe.

“A change in leadership brings uncertainty because you don’t know exactly what you’re getting into,” said Detrick. “It won’t be a be-all end-all sell signal, but new leadership in France could cause investor jitters that reverberate throughout global financial markets.”

Hollande has campaigned on the need to focus more on economic growth to reduce public debt, as opposed to austerity, which has been the main policy prescription for the three year-old European debt crisis.

While it remains to be seen to what extent Hollande will push his growth agenda, his countering approach causes concerns about how he might work with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, the key proponent of austerity.

Meanwhile, in Greece, voters will go to the polls to determine which political parties will make up the new governing coalition, which will play an important role in making sure the country’s austerity program is implemented properly.

After nearing four-year highs at the start of the week, U.S. stocks ended with a thud on Friday, as the S&P 500 logged its biggest weekly decline of the year.

Comment by measton
2012-05-06 08:13:57

I really think the best thing the US and likely western gov could do would be to make manufactured goods more expensive and labor less expensive.

In the US we could
Raise a VAT tax and gas tax and use all the money to do away with the payroll tax and cut payments companies make for social security.

Suddenly labor is less expensive for employers, and employees have a bit more in their paycheck. Purchasing manufactured goods costs more but hiring people to fix things will cost a bit less and services will cost less. We will import less gas and fewer manufactured goods and the price gap between imported goods and local made will narrow.

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2012-05-06 08:44:58

So that durable goods are even more unattainable for the workers? Huh?

Comment by In Colorado
2012-05-06 09:09:33

That should work great in our 70% consumer driven economy.

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Comment by measton
2012-05-06 20:04:35

Workers will be compensated in two ways.

1. Less will be taken out of their paycheck each month for payroll taxes.
2. There will be more jobs because
a. People will pay to fix things rather than buy new stuff.
b. Manufacturing in the US will be more cost competitive.

/simply-american.net/2011/11/30/comparing-apples-to-apples/

Using the correct labor costs of assembling an iPad 2 in the U.S., an iPad 2 made in the U.S would cost $445 ($325 for parts + $120 for labor), as opposed to a Chinese iPad’s cost of $335 ($325 for parts + $10 for labor). Assembling the iPad 2 in the U.S. and selling it for $729 would bring Apple’s gross margin down to 39%, not the 15.25% cited to by Mr. Thompson.

OK so cost of US produced Ipad2 = 445 vs chinese 335
Now add in a 20% VAT tax. ON US produced product
US IPAD VAT tax is 0.2 x(729 minus 445) = 56.8
China IPAD VAT tax is 0.2x(729 minus 335) = 78.8

Apples profit with a 20% VAT tax is still higher with the made in China product but the difference is less,

Without VAT - 445-335 = 110
With VAT - (445 +56.8) minus (335+78) = 90

Now I’ve also neglected that the company will save even more as the revenue from the VAT tax will be used to reduce payroll taxes on it’s US employees, that the company and the worker currently pay.

Also, there are other advantages to manufacturing in the US like controlling your supply chain and preventing IP theft. For products that have a lower percentage of their total cost being labor the benefit would be even more.

Now remember the worker will have more money in his pocket as less was taken out of his paycheck (ie VAT tax revenue used to reduce payroll taxes), they will look at the cost of replacing their car (large% foreign labor) and may instead hire someone to fix it instead. The local garage can charge lower rates because it doesn’t have to pay as much in payroll taxes

Obviously other changes to the tax code could be made to help those at the bottom more. ie no income tax on first 30k etc.

Note the VAT would not be applied to food.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 09:55:12

Why do you always advocate taxing value? Don’t you realize that whatever gets taxed on the margin tends to decline? Do you have something against value?

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-05-06 08:49:40

Time will tell, but then based on historical fact, time has always been on the side of the broad stock market. Personally I hope the stocks drop 20% the next three months so that I can buy more shares at lower prices.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 09:59:29

“Time will tell, but then based on historical fact, time has always been on the side of the broad stock market.”

A similar argument is often made to suggest there has never been a better time to buy real estate, no matter what time in history it happens to be.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-05-06 10:44:30

Ha! I know that you know better PB! Case-Shiller research has shown that houses generally appreciate no more than 1% above the average inflation rate. The Dow has appreciated nearly 7% above the average inflation rate since 1926, including the GD, several wars, a dozen or two crises, and so on.

Since Inception date August 31, 1976 the Vanguard 500 Index fund appreciated over 10% annually on the average. That included the malaise of whatisname in the late 70s and the wimpdom of GHB in the late 80s/early 90s.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2012-05-06 13:47:14

I hope you realize that none of my posts are meant to be taken at face value or personally, with the exception of retaliation to trolls. I merely like to question the assumptions underlying anyone’s financial survival strategy, as I believe it helps me or anyone else who participates in this exercise to avoid the perils of group think.

All told, I suspect my financial plan is far more similar to than different from yours.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2012-05-06 05:27:41

Bloomberg News
Dubai Shares Drop in Longest Losing Streak Since 2006
By Zahra Hankir and Ahmed Namatalla on May 06, 2012

Dubai shares fell for an eighth day, the longest losing streak since 2006, after U.S. job data fueled concern the global economy is weakening and on speculation political instability in Iran may intensify.

Emaar Properties PJSC (EMAAR), developer of the world’s tallest skyscraper, decreased 1.9 percent. Dubai Investments PJSC (DIC), whose portfolio includes more than 40 companies, fell to the lowest level in more than two months. The DFM General Index (DFMGI) retreated 1.4 percent to 1,560.28, the lowest since Feb. 16, at the 2 p.m. close in Dubai. The gauge has declined 6.6 percent in the past eight days, trimming a rally for the year to 15 percent. Egyptian stocks advanced for a second day.

“Investment sentiment is negative following weak employment and economic numbers from the U.S. over the weekend,” said Nabil Farhat, a partner at Abu Dhabi-based Al Fajer Securities. “There is also worry about the political turmoil with Iran.”

U.S. stocks slumped, sending the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index (SPX) down 2.4 percent in its biggest weekly retreat this year, after U.S. employers added fewer jobs than forecast, the American service sector slowed and euro-region unemployment rose to a 15-year high. The STOXX Europe 600 (SXXP) declined 2.4 percent in the period.

 
Comment by Muggy
2012-05-06 06:00:50

BTW, RMS, my wife isn’t interested in any deck at all.

:shock:

Comment by The UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-05-06 08:23:28

“BTW, RMS, my wife isn’t interested in any deck at all.”

That`s good if you are gonna stay in Fl. I have turned away from a couple of decent price houses because I won`t buy a wood frame house down here (Hello Mite) and preferably a hip roof not a gable end.

Usual Point of Entry

Subterranean termites usually invade a structure from the soil along the foundation. They commonly enter through cracks in the slab, utility conduits, expansion joints, and plumbing connections. A common problem in Virginia is subterranean termites entering a structure between the foundation and brick veneer, stucco or expandable foam insulation (EFIS) that is below the grade level. This is a major problem because there is no external evidence of the termite presence until the damage becomes obvious. Also, wood structures in direct contact with the ground such as decks or porches invite termite entrance.

http://pubs.ext.vt.edu/444/444-501/444-501.html - 21k - Cached - Similar pages

Elin Nordegren’s new mansion to look like old one

By Teresa at MSN Real Estate Jan 9, 2012 8:29AM

Tiger Woods’ ex-wife, Elin Nordegren, wants to build a mansion much like the one she just knocked down, but bigger and better — and less likely to be leveled by a hurricane or eaten by termites.

Plans filed with Palm Beach County, Fla., officials and not yet approved call for a similar traditional Mediterranean Colonial-style home, but this one would be 21,309 square feet, compared with the 17,000 (or maybe 9,000) square feet in the home Nordegren had demolished. TMZ has a photo of the rendering of the new home.

http://realestate.msn.com/blogs/listedblogpost.aspx?post=95408c3a-61b5-4d04-a417-6ca00f70223d&_p=bfe9ec06-5ae2-4b15-95ad-262ee68ecce0 - 117k -

 
Comment by rms
2012-05-06 08:49:17

BTW, RMS, my wife isn’t interested in any deck at all.

Sounds like a real drag, Muggy.

Comment by Muggy
2012-05-06 17:55:55

“Sounds like a real drag, Muggy.”

Naw, she’s a real female.

 
 
 
Comment by Awaiting
2012-05-06 06:11:18

In reply to posts addressing me yesterday:
We are aware of what our target home level should cost. In 2002 the sale price was $275K. They’re listing for $125K or higher right now. We are paying multiple rents on 1/6th the income of our high earring years. We’re paying cash because of our situation and Glaucoma.

We have less time in front of us, then behind us. Plus our quality of life sucks. Rock meet hard place.

Comment by The UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-05-06 07:11:45

“We have less time in front of us, then behind us. Plus our quality of life sucks. Rock meet hard place.”

I was just reading chapter 5 of a book I have not looked at or really practiced the teachings of in a long time. The reason I picked the book up this mornig was what a friend of mine told me on a job this week.

”Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending.” - Carl Bard

PS

I don`t have any idea who Carl Bard is or was.

Comment by combotechie
2012-05-06 07:34:20

“Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.” - Matthew 4:17.

“Repent” = Stop doing what is causing you all your self-induced grief.

“At hand” = It’s right there, all you need do is reach out for it.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2012-05-06 08:16:39

Awaiting, my original advice still holds.

Comment by mikeinbend
2012-05-06 10:26:46

Take it out of CA and to Oil City?

Why am I selling my Oil City house? because a recent surgery my wife had(I think paying for it is more reasonable than having wife being declared medically indigent just yet). Plus we don’t really want or need to live there just yet(as kids and us are happy in the community school they attend 30 miles away in Bend). We rent it for $825 and take the $825 and apply it to our rent in Bend. So moving in would essentially be a wash. But it was our original plan before we got attached to the k-8 community school option over “middle school” for our kids. They get to grow up in a tight knit group, where parents help each other; wife coaches basketball, close friend coaches soccer, and we know all the kids, including who may be a crip; who is smoking pot and drinking, etc. Keeping a finger on the pulse of our kids’ lives trumps just about anything else right now. In 10 years our MO will be different.

Evicting the tenant to move in ourselves would not help pay off the medical debt. And I also want to be in this immediate area so as not to commute so far to pursue my own degree. So one option we are looking at is to modify our $120k Oil City house to an $80k Oil City house. Selling it to my parents because they want to eventually go to a single level; and the house is a few doors down from their current home. Plus they have been outbid in 4 other deals that they tried to buy; the competition at the low end is insane right now. They avoid the emotional roller coaster of researching, making offer, losing offer, repeat ad nauseum, by purchasing from me.

So I know they are legitimally in the market and not just buying to save my rear. But don’t really need all the money today which leads to another option; selling it OWC. I could keep income stream coming in; also keeping loan officers out of the equation. I also know my folks could “cash me out” at any time if push came to shove. I can in turn offer them a favorable rate and lower/eliminate fees involved with them getting a loan.
We would probably incorporate a 5 yr balloon payment, so as the cashing out process will be finished for me then. What if the price drops between now and then? Also not a problem if the place does not appraise they would bring $$ to the table to honor the original purchase price. Something I would not trust anyone but my parents to follow thru on; because I know that they can and that they will honor our arrangement.

Also they probably don’t want me sinking 80k to 100k into another money pit just now. OWC option would allow me some time to see how prices will shake out over the next few years, and to see what the hidden inventory problem really looks like.

For instance, we know of a place that we would like to purchase; but it has been vacant for two years; supposedly lost to the “bank”, but the foreclosure was never enacted so the original owners are still on title. This mystery property, as well as countless others, will someday be shaken loose someway or other.

The plan to plunk 80k to 100k down on a home that may sell for 60k in a few years actually seems risky to me; if I can afford to wait; keep an income stream going from the money, that is likely what I will do. Unless someone sees an angle I don’t. If so, lay it on me!

I don’t know exactly what I will do; this generally well educated board has given me good advice. Will I heed advice given?? I do not know, I guess it depends on the quality of the advice. One poster threw selling OWC out there as an option for me, knowing that having no mortgage makes selling OWC an option.
And I am in the process of considering this; not enacting the plan today. I really like to think things thru now more than when I was in my 20’s/30’s and am less inclined to act recklessly.

I confess to being surprised that you, who researched the heck out of the market before your own purchase, has not encounted “OWC” as a term used in the home-buying realm.
But coming out with advice anyway, saying it sounds risky, well I don’t consider that quality advice. No offense intended but… How can you give good quality advice regarding selling OWC, if you don’t know what it means? It means I would be the lender to them, Owner will Carry. Would be riskier, I think, if the buyers were not my parents.

And I would not have to weed out homes to purchase all over again in order to lower housing expenses, as the monthly payments on the loan I make to my folks would continue to help subsidize our lives. They would keep the renter until they needed the place for themselves, so their mortgage with me would pay for itself thru the renters $$.

Is there a better or safer way to get a 4% return on the 100k we call our life’s savings. Sitting on it all at no return, trying not to spend it, does not sound as good. Buying a home from Fannie or Freddie in marginal condition(that’s what is out there; don’t know what is happening to nicer places like the one my wife had repoed, then quickly put on/then pulled off the market when it did not turn over at the 200k they wanted for it. If they mark it down to 100k; it sells, then what happens to the crap they are actually selling for 100k.)

By only taking 20% now, I could pay off my bills and still have a monthly income from the money.
And not pay realtors/loan sharks as both my parents have experience selling property/ doing OWC financing deals with minimal expense from the “churn”.

Option C would be to borrow some $$ from Bank of Dad to allow for medical bills to be paid and night school for the masters degree as well. Then I will get a job (power of positive thinking!) and my career change will be finished. From surf bum to farmer to ll to teacher. Thanks for reading all this if you got this far you deserve a medal!

Comment by oxide
2012-05-06 13:27:19

OWC is owner financed. I get it now.

The only sound advice I have for you is the same as Polly’s (and Polly knows a lot more): Sink your savings into establishing yourself as being very low pay, but very low expense. That way you evidently qualify for gov programs, protect your home in case of BK, and don’t have to pay rent. That’s three reasons to buy outright. If your parents are financially secure, well heck, go OWC. Whatever.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 10:03:30

Wait — you (or your wife) have glaucoma, and that is the reason you are buying a home?

Wouldn’t it be prudent to diversify your investments in a way that didn’t tie up your precious household liquidity in a lumpy asset purchase which amounts to a long-shot gamble on future housing prices?

In case you haven’t heard, rental supply is anticipated to increase for the coming years, and there are not likely to be very many well-qualified buyers, given the state of the labor market and household balance sheets.

But don’t let me, or anyone else who posts here, stand in your way.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-06 18:04:26

Why don’t you real-turds take your charade elsewhere? You’re not going to shut down the conversation here and in fact you’re not going to shutdown RAL, EVER.

 
 
 
Comment by measton
2012-05-06 07:40:18

Corporate America getting closer and closer to that slave labor ideal they work toward

While unpaid postcollege internships have long existed in the film and nonprofit worlds, they have recently spread to fashion houses, book and magazine publishers, marketing companies, public relations firms, art galleries, talent agencies — even to some law firms.

Melissa Reyes, who graduated from Marist College with a degree in fashion merchandising last May, applied for a dozen jobs to no avail. She was thrilled, however, to land an internship with the Diane von Furstenberg fashion house in Manhattan. “They talked about what an excellent, educational internship program this would be,” she said.

But Ms. Reyes soon soured on the experience. She often worked 9 a.m. to 9 p.m., five days a week. “They had me running out to buy them lunch,” she said. “They had me cleaning out the closets, emptying out the past season’s items.”

Although many internships provide valuable experience, some unpaid interns complain that they do menial work and learn little, raising questions about whether these positions violate federal rules governing such programs.

Yet interns say they often have no good alternatives. As Friday’s jobs report showed, job growth is weak, and the unemployment rate for 20- to 24-year-olds was 13.2 percent in April.

The Labor Department says that if employers do not want to pay their interns, the internships must resemble vocational education, the interns must work under close supervision, their work cannot be used as a substitute for regular employees and their work cannot be of immediate benefit to the employer.

But in practice, there is little to stop employers from exploiting interns. The Labor Department rarely cracks down on offenders, saying that it has limited resources and that unpaid interns are loath to file complaints for fear of jeopardizing any future job search.

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Comment by combotechie
2012-05-06 07:51:28

What a great business plan: Pay your employees with promises instead of with money.

Comment by combotechie
2012-05-06 08:31:48

I’ve heard of college professors assigning students extensive research projects and then using the results to furthur their own interests.

Or geology students being unleashed on a dig and when something of interest is uncovered the professor moves in and takes over, and it is he - the professor - who claims credit for the discovery.

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2012-05-06 08:48:35

Same as it ever was…

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-05-06 14:02:23

Yeah, now she did get paid and well I might add for the Boston ad agency account but one of our salespeople was on the hook for one of her client’s Christmas shopping,, and she was also known to pick up her dry cleaning.

Power can be a nasty thing.

 
 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2012-05-06 10:10:30

Rather ironic that these business slant heavily liberal.

I have noticed one thing through the years - liberals are all for spending lots of money to “help” people as long as it is just not their own money.

While unpaid postcollege internships have long existed in the film and nonprofit worlds, they have recently spread to fashion houses, book and magazine publishers, marketing companies, public relations firms, art galleries, talent agencies — even to some law firms.

Comment by Posers
2012-05-06 11:35:17

“I have noticed one thing through the years - liberals are all for spending lots of money to “help” people as long as it is just not their own money.”

Shh! They are aware of this, too. Betcha the last thing they would do is give up 50% of their salaries…which, in a lot of cases, would still leave them with salaries greater than the national median.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-05-06 12:04:02

Corporations, by definition, are NOT liberal.

The whole point to the article is that the practice is spreading to FOR PROFIT organizations.

 
Comment by Anon In DC
2012-05-06 17:15:07

You can say that again. See my post above about Buffett and Obama whining that they should be paying more taxes but yet they don’t. Reminds me of a few years back Bob Woodword of Watergate fame was on Celebrity Jeopardy! (Peggy Noonan and Tucker Carlson were the other two I think.) Peggy’s and Tucker’s charities were an orphanage and something else that sounded as deserving. Woodward’s “charity”? Sidwell Friends the very exspensive private school where Obama sends his kids and Hillary sent her kid. (Government run health care for eveyone. But not even government run reading and writing for their kids.) Anyway Woodward’s kids were going to the school at the time. Guess he did not want to pony up his own money for the endless capital campaigns that go along with private schools. The tuition is just the begining.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-05-06 15:19:30

Actually I find the OPPOSITE…they want you to do serious work and not get paid for it..which would be Illegal…but who cares OHbooozo doesn’t unless you are an Illegal in a sweatshop..

some unpaid interns complain that they do menial work and learn little

 
 
Comment by The UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-05-06 08:48:37

Mortgage rates hit record low

By Kimberly Miller Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Posted: 5:45 a.m. Friday, May 4, 2012

Mortgage interest rates fell to record lows this week, but the news was met with lukewarm enthusiasm in Palm Beach County, where cash buyers abound and tighter lending standards are the biggest barrier.

According to federal mortgage buyer Freddie Mac, the average rate for a 30-year fixed loan fell to 3.84 percent, the lowest since long-term mortgages began in the 1950s and down from the previous record of 3.87 percent in February.

For a 15-year mortgage, the rate dropped to a record 3.07 percent, down from the previous low of 3.11 percent three weeks ago.

The hope is that bargain-basement rates will spur home buying, but with rates hovering below 5 percent for the past year, a big spike in purchases is unlikely, said Mike Larson, a real estate analyst at Weiss Research in Jupiter.

“There is a general mentality that there is no end to this low rate period,” Larson said. “When you know the feds want to keep rates low, people think, ‘Why should I rush out there and buy now?’ ”

Still, home sales have stabilized in parts of South Florida, Weiss said, and real estate analysis firm Zillow declared last month that home prices here are on the rebound after hitting bottom in the latter part of 2011.

Existing single-family home purchases were up 24 percent in Palm Beach County last month compared with March, according to the Florida Realtors. Median sales prices on single-family homes were also up, increasing 6 percent to $197,000 during the same time period.

How much of that can be attributed to low interest rates, however, is unclear. Housing inventory is also down, with a supply of 6.2 months in Palm Beach County in April, compared with 13.5 months last year. The low supply and high investor interest are spurring bidding wars for some properties and increasing the urgency to buy, Realtors say.

And some homebuyers can’t take advantage of the low interest rates because it’s harder to qualify for a mortgage.

“Lenders are looking for very definite and positive signs that you are going to be able to pay and you will be diligent about paying,” said Brad Hunter, chief economist for the Royal Palm Beach-based firm MetroStudy.

That means higher credit scores, a bigger down payment and fewer black marks on your record, such as a short sale, foreclosure or bankruptcy.

“A short sale isn’t a death sentence,” Hunter said, “but it’s probably going to be three years before someone can get a mortgage again.”

Mortgage rates are lower because they tend to track the yield on the 10-year Treasury note. Mixed news on the U.S. economy and Europe’s debt crisis have led investors to buy more Treasury notes, which are considered safe investments. As demand for Treasury notes increases, the yield falls.

Nationally, cheaper mortgage rates haven’t done much to boost home sales. Both new home sales and those of previously occupied homes were down in March on a national level.

Hunter said he expects interest rates to edge higher during the next three to four years, but won’t likely reach the double digits that Realtor Bill Richardson said he remembers from mid-1980s.

“Interest rates have been low for so long, people are just used to low rates,” said Richardson, past president of the Realtors Association of the Palm Beaches. “To anyone who wants to buy a house it’s phenomenal, but whether the rate is 3.78 or 4.25 isn’t going to make a bit of difference.”

The Associated Press contributed to this story.

Comment by oxide
2012-05-06 13:49:23

“A short sale isn’t a death sentence,” Hunter said, “but it’s probably going to be three years before someone can get a mortgage again.”

Watch my heart BLEED for someone who has to rent for three whole years. :roll:

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2012-05-06 10:34:43

Hey - it is only taxpayer money saving loyal UAW jobs.

And Obama is going praise “saving GM” between now and the elections.

Healthcare, housing, banking, college tuition and obamamotors - what do they all have in common?

Total failures from massive government regulations and massive subsidies/bailouts.

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GM, a failed investment
Philadelphia Inquirer | Sun, May. 6, 2012 | John Lott

If you invested more than $100 in a company, would you be happy if your shares were worth only $36? By anyone’s definition that investment would have been a terrible failure.

Yet, that is how the federal government’s investment in General Motors looks. The federal government has put in well over $100 billion into shoring up General Motors, but the entire company, not just what the government owns, was worth only $36 billion on Tuesday.

The money the government spent adds up quickly: $50 billion in TARP bailout funds, a special exemption waiving payment of $45.4 billion in taxes on future profits, an exemption for all product liability on cars sold before the bailout, and $360 million in stimulus funds. Other money of which it is harder to quantify GM’s share includes the $15.2 billion Cash for Clunkers program and the $7,500 tax credit for those who buy the Chevy Volt. And all those costs don’t even include the billions taken from GM’s bondholders by the Obama administration.

The accounting shows the trouble with claims that much of the TARP money is getting paid back. The Obama administration only compares the $50 billion in direct bailout funds with the price it will eventually be able to get for selling the GM stock it owns. But that assumes exempting GM from paying $45 billion in taxes and other subsidies don’t increase the stock price. By the Obama administration’s logic, if the stimulus simply gave large enough grants to all the TARP recipients, all the TARP money could be paid.

Even saving 20 percent of 400,000 comes at quite a cost, implying at least $780,000 per job. How many workers would have been willing to quit working for GM for a $400,000 severance payment?

The only real winners from the GM bailout were unions, who were protected from pay cuts, from losing their right to overtime pay after less than 40 hours per week, and from cuts in their extremely generous benefits. They only faced minor tweaks in their inefficient union work rules.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-05-06 11:28:02

I know this will never sink in to your Republican/FoxNews saturated skull, but I’ll repeat it anyway.

Selling stuff to GM supports a big chunk of what’s left of the country’s industrial base, including businesses like aerospace.

GM’s volume’s helped to amortize costs for everyone, including Ford and Chrysler, and the transplant Japanese and German manufacturers. Those sub contractors create and build stuff too.

And it supported a lot of jobs that weren’t UAW, like a whole bunch of engineering and technical jobs

You want to make GM worth more? Quit giving tax benefits to the 1%ers who don’t buy GM products anyway.

In fact, fix all if the countries problems, by supporting policies that stabilize/increase pay for the middle class, instead of the “rush to the bottom” we find ourselves in currently.

This, of course, applies only if you think that having a manufacturing base is important.

And everyone forgets that part of the “deal” was that the UAW took over responsibility for their retirees health and retirement plans, basically allowing them to hire 20 year old newbies for $12/hour, with reduced pension and health care insurance costs.

Last time I checked, developing and promoting an automobile/transportation industry was a priority for China, Brazil, India, Mexico, etc. We seem to be the only dumbazzes that want to get rid of/offshore building cars.

Comment by 2banana
2012-05-06 11:54:29

Spoken like a true cool air drinker.

Government should not pick winners and loser. As we have seen with “green energy”, it will pick those most connected no matter how crappy or unsustainable their industry or product.

As we have seen with GM - it was bailed out to save solely save the UAW (the MOST connected of democrat supporters).

It will waste $100 billion of US taxpayer money or about $700,000 per UAW job saved. Funny how I don’t hear the liberal chants of how many hungry children could be feed and how many teachers could be hired for that amount of money.

And the irony of it all? GM will be bankruptcy AGAIN in the near future. In a normal bankruptcy, debts are wiped out, contracts are wiped out, management is fired, etc. What emerges is a NEW company that has a chance of being sustainable and competitive.

The sickly creature of GM today has none of the advantages of a post bankrupt company. And it has all the disadvantages of its pre-bankruptcy.

Keep drinking your cool aid. Keep thinking that government will pick the winners and losers. Keep thinking that massive government bailouts will create ANY jobs.

And for the record - the banks should have failed too. You have this idea in your mind that somehow if a person wants to cut government that he/she is for the 1%ers. WHO DO YOU THINK MAKES THE MOST ON GOVERNMENT BAILOUTS?

Do you really think government picking winners and losers, having the highest corporate taxes in the world and supporting insane unions will bring back manufacturing jobs to America?

Comment by Neuromance
2012-05-06 16:34:00

Government should not pick winners and loser. As we have seen with “green energy”, it will pick those most connected no matter how crappy or unsustainable their industry or product.

However, government should have a policy which encourages maximum employment and standard of living here.

Green energy does seem to be open to scams, but I’m gathering because it’s being fed by politicians and uninterested (not disinterested) bureaucrats who are parceling out vast sums of money. If the government were serious about green energy, I’d think they’d label it a national security issue (climate change can cause disruptions), and set an agency like DARPA (the folks that brought us the Internet) on it.

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-05-06 22:38:15

“Government should not pick winners and loser. As we have seen with “green energy” “

So are you saying we should stop subsidizing the oil industry?

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Comment by Northeastener
2012-05-07 11:13:29

So are you saying we should stop subsidizing the oil industry?

Straw man alert…

What does the oil industry have to do with a consumer discretionary industry with lots of competition?

The question you should be asking is why did Ford choose to take on more debt rather than to take the Government bailout?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars®
2012-05-06 11:08:00

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-05-06 08:53:50
It’s the City-Data blog for the Phoenix metro community. The moderators are very biased and I highly suspect the biggest cheerleader on that site is the one who cries to mommy moderator to do something about stopping my posts that are negative about real estate. I just want a balanced opinion on that site. My take is that there are a lot of Canadians who are buying Phoenix properties and some of them read the blog and pay attention to the cheerleading by the RE types. I just want to warn them but I’m not allowed.
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Bills experience on City-Data is the same as everyone elses. City-Data is a den of lying realtors and whenever I showed their bias and exposed their misrepresentations, I’d get banned. Every time.

Never expect any truth on City-Data. EVER.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 13:41:24

“My take is that there are a lot of Canadians who are buying Phoenix properties and some of them read the blog and pay attention to the cheerleading by the RE types. I just want to warn them but I’m not allowed.”

Why not just play mum while the Canucks catch themselves falling knives investing in Phoenix real estate? The upside is that the spillover negative economic impacts when this latest generation of real estate investors take a bath will land in Canada rather than the U.S. economy.

Comment by rms
2012-05-06 23:36:38

The upside is that the spillover negative economic impacts when this latest generation of real estate investors take a bath will land in Canada rather than the U.S. economy.

Their RE comeuppance is closer than most realize, IMHO.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-05-06 16:24:20

Yeah I figured that out about 4 years ago when I was moving out of a certain place and every person on city-data was raving about how great it was to live there. In reality, there was a very large contingent of resid`ents who were refusing to identify they lived there when meeting new people. They wanted people to get to know them first before finding out. That doesn’t sound like nirvana, does it?

I also noticed every city was a great place to move to, even those that when you went on the local chat rooms you found serious stuff going on there and people bitterly fighting amongst each other.

Realtors.

City-Data is a den of lying realtors

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-05-06 12:10:51

Can one of the resident experts here explain to me how a “Gold Standard” if going to be a benefit to anyone, other than the 1%ers?

Seems to me that it would be of major benefit to anyone holding gold, or big wads of cash to buy gold, while the rest of us peons get screwed at an accelerated rate.

And how can anyone who complains about government intervention and regulation ever support a Gold Standard? Imposing one sure looks like economic intervention to me.

Seems to me that if you want people to know what the “value” of anything is, you would be putting into place an accounting system that is fair and accurate, without phony/biased numbers, and let everyone decide on their own what value to place on things.

Of course, we are the country that pays $10 million a year to the Kardashians for being Kardashians.

Comment by The UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-05-06 13:14:49

“Can one of the resident experts here explain to me how a “Gold Standard” if going to be a benefit to anyone, other than the 1%ers?”

Sorry I can`t help I`m on the 7.62×39 Standard myself.

Navin R. Johnson: Well I’m gonna go then! And I don’t need any of this. I don’t need this stuff, and I don’t need *you*. I don’t need anything. Except this.
[picks up an AK]

Navin R. Johnson: And that’s the only thing I need is *this*. I don’t need this or this. Just this AK… And this. - The AK and the 7.62×39 ammo and that’s all I need… And this remote control. - The AK, the 7.62X39 ammo, and the remote control, and that’s all I need… And these matches. - The AK, and these matches, and the remote control, and the 7.62X39 ammo… And this lamp. - The AK, this 7.62X39 ammo, and the remote control, and the lamp, and that’s all *I* need. And that’s *all* I need too. I don’t need one other thing, not one… I need this. - The 7.62X39 ammo and the chair, and the remote control, and the matches for sure. Well what are you looking at? What do you think I’m some kind of a jerk or something! - And this. That’s all I need.
[walking outside]

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 13:29:08

“Seems to me that it would be of major benefit to anyone holding gold, or big wads of cash to buy gold, while the rest of us peons get screwed at an accelerated rate.”

In other words, such a policy would produce a huge windfall for Chindian housheholds who routinely include physical gold as a portfolio choice, while producing relatively little advantage for American households.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 15:22:52

The more pessimistic gold traders get, the better the time it is to buy — at least according to this contrarian analyst.

After twenty years of increasing pessimism, it must be a really great time right now to buy Japanese stocks!

May 4, 2012, 12:01 a.m. EDT
The gold market’s steep wall of worry
Commentary: More and more gold traders have thrown in the towel
By Mark Hulbert, MarketWatch

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (MarketWatch) — Take heart, gold traders!

While bullion’s listless behavior over the last couple of months is undeniably frustrating, a very robust wall of worry is being built. Eventually, gold will begin to climb it.

I emphasize “eventually” because it’s been two months since I first reported that gold market sentiment conditions had begun to improve. ( Read my Mar. 7 column, “Gold market sentiment finally improving.” )

Since then, of course, gold on balance has gone virtually nowhere, stuck instead in a relatively narrow trading range between $1,600 and $1,700 an ounce.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-05-06 23:51:12

If you like inflation over long periods of time (ie. you own lots of hard assets), the gold standard will suck.

If you dislike inflation over long periods of time (ie. you are poor), the gold standard will for the most part benefit you.

Since the PTB own assets, we won’t ever see a gold standard again.

In Mauldin’s book Endgame, he had a graph showing inflation/deflation in the United States going back to the1700’s. There were periods of both inflation and deflation as long as we were on a gold standard. The economy raged, prices went up. The economy did worse, prices collapsed.

Once we went off the gold standard, inflation was the norm.

If you like inflation…no gold standard.
If you dislike inflation…gold standard.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 13:52:49

Might this represent a glimpse of a future post-austerity American plebiscite?

ft dot com

Last updated: May 6, 2012 6:25 pm
Collapse in votes for main Greek parties
By Kerin Hope in Athens

A woman leaves a polling station in Athens after voting in Greece’s national election

Greece’s general election has seen a dramatic collapse in support for the two main parties, the centre-right New Democracy and PanHellenic Socialist Movement (Pasok), according to exit polls published shortly after voting closed, raising fears they may not be able to form a viable coalition government.

The polls suggest strong gains for Syriza, a radical leftwing party that rejects the country’s bailout programme as “barbarous” yet wants to stay in the euro, while the extreme right Golden Dawn party will enter parliament for the first time.

If as seems likely the two main pro-European Union parties are now likely to win less than 40 per cent of the vote, their leaders, Antonis Samaras and Evangelos Venizelos, may decide to press for a second election to be held within a few weeks, rather than try to govern with an overall majority of less than 20 seats.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 13:56:09

Austerity is taking a heavy toll on Eurozone government stability.

Luckily the global economy is decoupled, as otherwise this news of Eurozone instability would be a big concern for the U.S. stock market going forward.

ft dot com
From WORLD 9:04pm
Hollande takes French presidency

A supporter of the French Socialist Party (PS) wears a t-shirt showing a portrait of Socialist candidate Francois Hollande

Sarkozy becomes latest victim of anti-incumbent backlash

Sarkozy pays price for being crisis president

Hollande faces daunting task

The World A Greek chorus for Hollande’s big night

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 14:00:50

I held off on my normal weekend gas tank refill hoping that Friday’s big decline in oil prices would soon show up in CostCo’s pump prices. Will report back on this tomorrow, after I stop by there. Anything under $4/gal would represent relief!

ft dot com
Last updated: May 4, 2012 9:23 pm
Crude tumbles on US recovery fears
By Emiko Terazono

It was a bad week for oil market bulls as crude sank to a three-month low on worries about economic growth in the US and Europe and the impact on consumption.

Both the Brent global benchmark and the US contract West Texas Intermediate were sold off heavily after soft US employment data, which prompted worries about economic recovery.

The weaker than expected non-farm payroll numbers came amid a backdrop of already bearish sentiment. Weak European manufacturing figures released earlier in the week showed that the contraction in the eurozone had spread to core countries, namely Germany, suggesting falls in oil consumption could spread beyond the peripheral nations.

Lawrence Eagles, an oil analyst at JPMorgan in New York, said the eurozone data represented a “good one-month leading indicator for year-on-year demand growth” adding that “directionally, the PMI is pointing to much weaker oil demand growth through May”.

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2012-05-06 19:59:19

It’s still falling, down nearly two bucks since Friday’s close.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 21:52:27

Looking forward to at least a few weeks of affordable gasoline prices!

 
 
 
Comment by The UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-05-06 15:15:55

Angelo cried, “Dem bad loans!”
Angelo cried, “Dem bad loans!”
Angelo cried, “Dem bad loans!”
“Oh, hear the word of the Fed.”

The banker connected to the Deadbeat,
The Deadbeat connected to the Wall Street,
The Wall Street just dumped em on the Main Street,
And that`s what they did with all the loans

Dem loans, dem loans, dem, bad loans
Dem loans, dem loans, dem, bad loans
Dem loans, dem loans, dem, bad loans
Dem loans gonna show up in your town
Oh, hear the word of the Fed!

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2012-05-06 15:58:14

Your state tax dollars at work. I wouldn’t think that if you’re not a NYer this can’t happen to you. I’m sure in most states, those unintended giant loopholes and their unintended results could never have been seen:

When it was created in 2000, the state seemed to recognize that cities like Syracuse — with critical pockets of high poverty, low unemployment and deteriorating neighborhoods — needed businesses that would help stabilize the area and create jobs. The program was designed to enliven “distressed” areas like the South Side and attract development and businesses by offering tax credits.

But it didn’t happen that way. What did occur was sad and shameful.

Many big businesses, law and accounting firms and manufacturing entities — found a way to climb through the apparently gargantuan loopholes in the law and help themselves to hefty portions of tax credits. They pretended to be “new” businesses — shirt-changing — in order to get the write-offs.

Many didn’t create any jobs or move into distressed areas. And the program’s costs rose from $30 million in 2001 to $600 million in just six years. The prestigious downtown law firm, Bond Schoeneck & King, would get more than $1.5 million annually in tax breaks.

When the state finally tried to rein in the shirt-changers, it decertified 100 manufacturing entities and 30 businesses, including the law firm. It let the manufacturers back in because they claimed hardship from losing the credits.

The 30 others — including the law firm, and only a couple of businesses that actually are located in distressed areas — sued the state, arguing that its process for deciding who would go and stay was unfair. The newly revived Empire Zone board decided Friday to keep them out, a position apparently endorsed by Gov. Andrew Cuomo.

It is still mind-boggling that that so many wealthy businesses would twist a law, and then claim benefits that should have benefited people who also desire to live in prosperous neighborhoods.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2012/05/saundra_smokes_promise_of_empi.html

 
Comment by The UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-05-06 16:03:16

We may never, never meet again
On on the foreclosed road of life.
Still I’ll always, always keep the memory of

The way we paid our rent;
The way we you lived for free;
The way you told the judge.
No, no, you can’t take that away from me.

The way you bought new boats;
And sailed out on the sea;
The memory of all that.
No, no, they can’t take that away from me.

The mansion that you bought;
And lived in years for free;
Then all the victim screams.
No, no, they can’t take that away from me.

We may never, never meet again
On on the Deadbeat road of life.
Still I’ll always, always keep the memory of

The way you refied twice;
Then said let`s make it three;
The way you told the judge.
No, no, they can’t take that away from me.
No, they can’t take that away from me

 
Comment by The UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-05-06 16:20:18

South Florida housing market has hit bottom, Zillow says

By Paul Owers
Sun Sentinel
Posted: 5:08 p.m. Sunday, May 6, 2012

After six years of historic price declines, South Florida’s housing market has hit bottom.

So says Zillow.com, a Seattle-based real estate website that reports home values aren’t just stable but rising in Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties. Prices in South Florida reached their low point at the end of 2011, according to Zillow.

Read the full article at SunSentinel.com .

4 COMMENTS

Is this a reprint from 2009? Same story. Realtors and their associated websites trying to create a new buzz in the battered housing market…truth is that prices in S. Florida are still dropping…shadow inventory of foreclosures will cause more losses…bottom is still about 2 years away! This is typical false hype…don’t buy it (again)…
Oh Jesus!
5:58 PM, 5/6/2012

I saw a real estate analyst on CNBC last week that was saying housing has returned to more “typical” returns of 5% a year.

Maybe he works for zillow.

How are you enjoying your propaganda this morning?
billy beer
6:54 PM, 5/6/2012

The bidding wars have resurfaced on the hot properties. Realtor
fran
6:57 PM, 5/6/2012

What? Not even near the bottom. Who the hell came up with this story? Zillow. The same ones that over priced homes years ago. Everyone needs to hold onto all they have left to pay the rent. Dont buy this story, it’s **** a crock.
Ha Ha
7:01 PM, 5/6/2012

 
Comment by measton
2012-05-06 16:26:30

Thank you bankers central bankers and politicians. Nice going

Greek neo-Nazi party Golden Dawn warned rivals and reformers Sunday that “the time for fear has come” after exit polls showed them securing their entry in parliament for the first time in nearly 40 years.

“The time for fear has come for those who betrayed this homeland,” Golden Dawn leader Nikos Michaloliakos told a news conference at an Athens hotel, flanked by menacing shaven-headed young men.

“We are coming,” the 55-year-old said as supporters threw firecrackers outside.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 21:58:50

It looks like the oil bubble has popped. Hopefully this will take the Canadian all-cash investors in U.S. housing out of the game!

It would be awesome to see oil prices fall back to the 52-week low of $77/bl. I’m guessing that would also help Obama get reelected.

Crude Oil - Electronic (NYMEX) Jun 2012

Market closed $97.11
Change -$1.38 -1.40%
Volume 29,577
May 7, 2012, 12:43 a.m.

Previous close $ 98.49
Day low $97.51
Day high $102.72
Open: $102.59
52 week low $76.88
52 week high $110.68

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 22:02:51

How is the theory that the Asian economy is decoupled from the U.S. economy working out these days for the Goldman Sachs economist who floated it?

Asia stocks plunge
Markets suffer after Europe elections,

Asian shares get spanked after poor jobs data raise fresh concerns about the health of the U.S. economy, while European elections over the weekend add to the uncertainty.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2012-05-06 22:13:09

Yawn…I almost feel like ursines should consider going back into hibernation at this point, to avoid depressing themselves over the never-ending barrage of bad news out of Europe.

Sell in May and go away, with a vengeance!

ASIA MARKETS
Updated May 6, 2012, 11:56 p.m. ET

European Elections Hit Asian Markets
By DANIEL INMAN

HONG KONG—European elections led to a flight to safety by investors in Asia, sending the euro down against the dollar and the yen Monday. That sent Japanese stocks tumbling, pushing the Nikkei down 2.8% to its lowest level since Feb. 15.

Investors were also digesting poor economic data from the U.S. late on Friday with oil falling below US$100 late last week to US$96.20 after disappointing nonfarm payroll data. Crude futures fell further on Monday on concern demand may ease as worries resurface about the European Union’s ability to solve its sovereign debt woes.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2012-05-06 22:26:40

Kerplunk!

Hong Kong Stock Market May Extend Losing Streak

(RTTNews.com) - The Hong Kong stock market has closed lower now in back-to-back sessions, plummeting more than 220 points or 1 percent along the way. The Hang Seng Index finished just below the 21,090-point plateau, and now analysts are predicting further damage at the opening of trade on Monday.

The global forecast for the Asian markets is grim following disappointing employment data from the United States, while Eurozone private sector activity declined in April at the fastest rate since October 2011. In addition, Germany’s services sector grew less than expected in April, and the French service sector contracted. Adding to the uncertainty, Francois Hollande was crowned the new President of France beating Nicholas Sarkozy. The European and U.S. markets were down, and the Asian bourses are tipped to follow suit.

The Hang Seng finished modestly lower on Friday, led to the downside by losses from the resource stocks and properties.

For the day, the index lost 163.53 points or 0.77 percent to finish at 21,086.00 after trading between 21,061.14 and 21,170.64 on volume of 45.50 billion Hong Kong dollars.

Among the decliners, PetroChina shed 1.9 percent, while China Shenhua lost 1.5 percent, Chalco retreated 2.9 percent and SHK Properties dropped 1.8 percent.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2012-05-06 22:29:41

I find it curious how when the U.S. labor market sneezes, global stock markets catch cold.

Strange, no?

Stockmarket and dollar slide as eurozone fears hit again
May 07, 2012 1:48PM

THE Australian share market is down more than one-and-a-half per cent as European elections spark new fears about the eurozone crisis.

The drop comes one day ahead of the Federal Budget and follows solid falls in the US and Europe on Friday.

Financial markets are worried about the outcome of this week’s Greek election, the election results of the French presidency which might threaten progress in the eurozone debt crisis, and weak US jobs data.

Australian stocks were more than 1.5 per cent lower at noon following losses on Wall Street and falls for the mining giants.

Almost $20 billion was wiped from local shares in morning trade.

At 12.00 (AEST) today, the benchmark S&P/ASX200 index was down 72.1 points, or 1.64 per cent, at 4323.9 points, while the broader All Ordinaries index had fallen 74.5 points, or 1.67 per cent, to 4384.9 points.

On the ASX 24, the June share price index futures contract was 74 points lower at 4317 points, with 20,170 contracts traded.

RBS Morgans private client adviser Bill Bishop said the local market was lower due to falls on Wall Street caused by lower than expected US job figures.

“They got 60,000 to 70,000 jobs lower than expected which caused Wall Street to go down and America sets the tone for the rest of us,” he said.

“In the local market the banks have taken a mild knock and resources have taken a big fat knock.”

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-05-06 22:47:05

ISTM that last week would have been a good time to get out of stocks in preparation for the election. And then get back in this week after it drops. I wonder how many folks did that. Enough to mitigate the potential drop in the market this week?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2012-05-06 22:35:06

The explanation of how a shrinking U.S. labor force explains the falling unemployment rate has made its way all the way around the world.

May 4, 2012
More Consolidation Called For Singapore Stock Market

(RTTNews.com) - The Singapore stock market has closed lower now in consecutive trading days, falling more than 15 points or 0.5 percent in that span. The Straits Times Index finished just above the 2,990-point plateau, and now analysts are forecasting continued selling pressure at the opening of trade on Monday.

The global forecast for the Asian markets is grim following disappointing employment data from the United States, while Eurozone private sector activity declined in April at the fastest rate since October 2011. In addition, Germany’s services sector grew less than expected in April, and the French service sector contracted. Adding to the uncertainty, Francois Hollande was crowned the new President of France beating Nicholas Sarkozy. The European and U.S. markets were down, and the Asian bourses are tipped to follow suit.

The STI finished modestly lower on Friday, nudged into the red by losses from the financial sector.

For the day, the index shed 10.35 points or 0.34 percent to finish at 2,990.59 after trading between 2,987.99 and 2,998.48 on volume of 2.47 billion shares. There were 238 decliners and 132 gainers.

Among the decliners, Ascendas REIT dropped 3.83 percent, while UOB shed 1.61 percent and DBS Group Holdings eased 0.21 percent.

The lead from Wall Street is negative as stocks moved sharply lower on Friday as disappointing jobs data generating broad based selling pressure as the Labor Department reported much weaker than expected job growth in April.

Employment increased by 115,000 jobs in April compared to expectations for an increase of about 165,000 jobs. While the Labor Department also said that the unemployment rate edged down to 8.1 percent in April from 8.2 percent in March, the drop was largely due to a decrease in the size of the labor force.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2012-05-06 22:38:08

Stock Trading Is Still Falling After ’08 Crisis

The New York Stock Exchange. Investors have pulled away from stocks and instead are favoring bonds, despite low interest rates.
By NATHANIEL POPPER
Published: May 6, 2012

Even though American stocks have doubled in price in the last three years, investors and traders large and small keep giving the market the cold shoulder.

Trading in the United States stock market has not only failed to recover since the 2008 financial crisis, it has continued to fall. In April, the average daily trades in American stocks on all exchanges stood at nearly half of its peak in 2008: 6.5 billion compared with 12.1 billion, according to Credit Suisse Trading Strategy.

The decline stands in marked contrast to past economic recoveries, when Americans regained their taste for stock trading within two years of economic shocks in 1987 and 2001.

This time around, the stock market has many more players, including high-speed trading firms, which have recently come to account for over half of all stock market activity. But even they, like all other major groups, have recently been doing less overall trading.

“When you keep in mind recent history, this is kind of uncharted territory,” said Justin Schack, an analyst at Rosenblatt Securities.

Many market experts say the biggest reason for the shrinking volume is that traders and investors remain leery that the economy will suddenly turn on them in the wake of the financial crisis, the wild swings in stock prices and the European debt troubles.

Investors and financial industry professionals are struggling to understand what the decline could mean, particularly if it continues. Less rapid trading by short-term speculators could be a good thing for buy-and-hold investors tired of being burned by the market. But the decline could also signal a broader turn away from the domestic stock market by investors who want to hold less of their nest eggs in stocks and by companies that opt for raising capital in bond markets instead of issuing shares.

“My expectation was that we would see people go back to the stock market,” said Charles Rotblut, a vice president of the American Association of Individual Investors. “It remains to be seen whether there will be a core group of people that is just turned off of the stock markets altogether.”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-06 22:52:43

Ron Paul wins 21 of Maine’s 24 Republican delegate spots
Mitt Romney won a straw poll there in February, but selections for the national convention are made at a state party meeting.
Associated Press
May 6, 2012, 6:51 p.m.

AUGUSTA, Maine — With Mitt Romney’s Republican presidential nomination all but certain, Ron Paul supporters took control of the Maine Republican Convention and elected a majority slate supporting the Texas congressman, party officials said Sunday.

At the two-day state convention, Paul supporters won 21 of the 24 delegate spots to the GOP national convention in Tampa, Fla. They also won a majority of the state committee seats.

“It’s certainly a significant victory,” said Jim Azzola of South Portland, Paul’s Cumberland County coordinator.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2012-05-06 22:59:55

Would now be a good time to buy the dip in Eurozone stock prices?

Europe Factors to Watch-Shares set to sink after French, Greek votes
Mon May 7, 2012 1:27am EDT

PARIS, May 6 (Reuters) - Financial spreadbetters expect Europe’s main stock
indexes to sink on Monday, adding to the previous session’s sell-off as election
results in Greece and France sparked worries over public support for austerity
measures seen by most investors as key to fixing the euro zone’s debt crisis.

Spreadbetters expect Frankfurt’s DAX to open 151-152 points lower,
or down 2.3 percent, and Paris’ CAC 40 to open 60-65 points lower, or
down 2.1 percent.

The market reaction will be exaggerated by a public holiday in Britain.

Japan’s Nikkei average was down 2.6 percent, catching up with a
sell-off on Friday on Wall Street and in Europe triggered by lower-than-expected
U.S. monthly jobs data, and after elections in France and Greece raised concerns on whether euro zone economies will continue to pursue austerity measures.

Greek voters shrugged off the risk of a euro zone exit and punished their
ruling parties, which failed to win enough votes to form a ruling coalition in
Sunday’s election. With about 95 percent of the vote counted, conservative New
Democracy and Socialist PASOK, who have dominated Greece for decades and are the
only two major parties supporting an EU/IMF bailout program that keeps Greece
afloat, won less than 33 percent of ballots and only 150 out of 300 parliament
seats.

“It’s an anti-Merkel vote. People across Europe are fed up with tough
austerity measures imposed by German policymakers, and this could be a turning
point,” said Riccardo Designori, financial analyst at Brown Editore, in Milan.

France also elected a new president on Sunday, Francois Hollande, a
Socialist who has pressed for an end to German-led austerity policies.

“The bigger story here is that this shows that politics is getting out of
control in Europe, the gap between politicians and voters is widening, that’s
what you see in Greece, that’s what you see in France,” said Steen Jakobsen,
chief economist at Saxo Bank, in Copenhagen.

“Clearly, voters across Europe have started to send the message: ‘we are not
ready to do the reforms’, and that’s worrying. We are on the brink of a major crisis in Europe, economically and socially.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2012-05-06 23:04:41

Is it a safe guess that the headline U.S. indexes will do mysteriously well tomorrow, for some arcane reason which is entirely disconnected from the Eurozone situation? I’m thinking it may be eager anticipation over the upcoming Facebook (”FB”) IPO that drives up U.S. shares…

Comment by Rental Watch
2012-05-06 23:55:43

US stock futures are showing a negative start to the day.

That said, I wouldn’t be surprised if this makes the US markets rise before the end of the day. Stranger things have happened.

 
 
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