May 11, 2012

The End Of Property’s Golden Age

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “The fevered pace of building in Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal is fuelling fears that the condo market is dangerously close to overheating. Joe Vaccaro, president of Toronto’s Building Industry and Land Development Association, said the high construction rate simply reflects the breaking of ground on properties that were sold in 2010 and 2011. ‘You’ve got baby boomers downsizing, born-again singles, young couples who want an affordable first home, and 100,000 new people coming into the [Greater Toronto Area] every year,’ he said.”

“Nancy Taza, a sales representative at a brokerage office in one of the CityPlace condo complexes in downtown Toronto, who has a direct stake in the market, also isn’t worried. ‘Are there a lot of buildings going up? Yes. But, I really don’t worry about the market and my investments [three condos], because I see the demand every day and it’s so strong.’”

“Royal Bank of Canada CEO Gordon Nixon told a financial conference in Toronto that he’d ‘like to see the rhetoric [about a housing bubble] come down a little bit.’”

“Jing Lin recently bought two studios at One48, a 55-unit glass-clad condo in the Gramercy area that is 96 percent sold. She lives on the top floor, with her investment unit right below hers. She is so confident of the building’s success that she persuaded a cousin from Beijing to buy an apartment on a lower floor and has brought in two other investors from China. ‘If you compared the price and the quality of these apartments with properties in Beijing,’ she said, ‘you would think it’s crazy to buy in Beijing — and I hate to say anything bad about my country.’”

“Many developers are cutting prices on new projects to spur sales and raise cash, especially in big cities such as Beijing and Shanghai. In Shanghai, for example, some developers have offered discounts of up to 40 percent, even for prestigious waterfront and central business district locations, according to an online house-trading site.”

“‘This is the hardest time for the industry since I entered this sector five years ago, because we hardly saw any sales in the past three months,’ said Lin Jiantao, a property agent in Changning district, Shanghai.”

“More homeowners in East China’s Zhejiang province are protesting, as developers slash home prices without compensating earlier buyers. The Beijing Times said the three developers slashed their prices from 2,000 yuan to 4,000 yuan ($320 to $640) a square meter. ‘I bought my apartment for 12,600 yuan per square meter in August, but it is 8,800 yuan per square meter now. I lost more than 200,000 yuan in less than half a year. How can I accept that?’ a homeowner named Liu said at a protest last week in Hangzhou, according to the newspaper.”

“Last week in the Zhenhai district of Ningbo, also in Zhejiang, about 400 home-owners broke into the sales office of a property company named Baoyi Real Assets and smashed it up. ‘It is a mega trend that the housing price is going down. No one guarantees that the property will appreciate. It’s so normal the price goes down, like stocks,’ said a worker from Baoyi’s sales office who declined to give her name.”

“‘You are an adult, and you should be responsible for your own decision. Why didn’t you stand up when housing prices went up?’ a netizen named Xiao Bai said.”

“Société Générale strategist Albert Edwards has warned investors who own Australian government debt they face the ‘mother of all hard landings’ if China’s economy slows down as they expect. He said the Australian economic ‘miracle’ is ‘dependent on the wheels not coming off China.’ ‘All we have in Australia, at its simplest, is a credit bubble built upon a commodity boom dependent for its sustenance on an even greater credit bubble in China,’ he said. ‘Of all the bubbles I have seen over the last 30 years in this industry, this one is even more obvious than the rather prominent nose on my increasingly haggard face.’”

“Consultancy PrimeView said prices across France have jumped 160pc since 1998, though houshold incomes are up just 35pc. Paris has overtaken New York to become the world’s third costliest city at €18,000 (£14,600) per square metre. ‘It is a gigantic bubble, all the more dangerous as it is spread across France,’ said Pierre Sabatier, from PrimeView.”

“A housing slump would hammer the economy just as long-delayed austerity begins in earnest. Property makes up 65pc of French household wealth, compared with 57pc in Germany, 39pc in Japan and 27pc in the US. ‘Starting this year, the demographic structure will have a profound deflationary impact on property, reversing the last 40 years. We could see a vicious circle of falling prices,’ said Mr Sabatier. ‘Ageing means the end of property’s golden age. It may be less rapid than in the US because French households have less solvency problems, but we think a 40pc fall may be inevitable over five or 10 years.’”

“‘There are bidding wars going on. People are paying over asking price,’ said Joe Sorrentino, an M.J. Peterson Corp. real estate agent who had 48 people look at a house two weeks ago, with eight offers for more than $400,000 each. ‘People are still bugging me,’ he said. ‘We still got people calling and wanting to know if they can outbid what we accepted.’”

“Some buyers, particularly from out of town, have approached sellers with offers far below the asking price because they’ve read about the massive price declines elsewhere and assume that applies in Western New York. ‘The out-of-town buyers sometimes think that they can drive a tougher bargain,’ said Susan Lenahan, a broker at M.J. Peterson’s downtown office. ‘All real estate is not national. It’s local. These buyers are still reading a lot of negative press about various off markets, and [think] you should be able to offer 50 percent to 60 percent off the asking price. Well, you may still be able to do that in California, Florida, Nevada, Arizona or Michigan but not in Buffalo.’”

“When Park City Board of Realtors statistician Mark Seltenrich described the housing market trends in the area, he imagined a line that took a sharp dive, hit the bottom and slopes gradually into an incline. Barring another significant hit in the economy, he’s expecting to see the real estate market rebound and home values rise. ‘People ask me, ‘Do you think we’ll ever get back to the prices a few years ago?’ I tell them ‘Yes, but not very soon,’ he said.”

“From West Hartford to Florida to California, multiple offers and bidding wars have returned to some housing markets indicating that in many areas we have either hit bottom or are close to it. While bidding wars are pushing home prices higher, most of the sellers are taking a loss, especially if they bought their home in 2005 to 2007, at the height of the market. In South Florida, for instance, homes that sold five years ago for $2 million can now be had for less than half that price.”

“‘People have been waiting for the market to bottom out and how do you know when the market bottoms?’ asked real estate agent Mollie Abend, who specializes in selling homes in West Hartford. ‘You know when prices start rising.’”

“The big issue, said Abend, is whether appraisers, who were blamed for much of the excesses, are willing to raise their estimates of what a home is worth. Without that, many of the sales will not go through as much higher down payments will be required.”

“Folks who have always wanted a condo, but couldn’t afford it, are now hitting the marketing, according to David Swiger of Swiger & Company Realtors in Gulf Shores. ‘They think we’re reached the bottom of the market. They can remember that condo they were looking at was $600,000 and now it’s $299,000.’”

“Sales are back to the levels of six or seven years ago, according to Chuck Norwood of REMAX of Gulf Shores. ‘We’ve seen an uptick in prices. We’re still not seeing a lot of appreciation, but I feel like we’ve hit bottom. The units are selling for more than the last one sold for. And half the deals we’re doing are running into appraisal issues,’ due to the price increases.”

“Prince George’s County sheriff’s deputies have evicted a Fort Washington couple who spent years fighting the foreclosure of their million-dollar house. Keith and Janet Ritter did not make a single mortgage payment on the showcase home along the Potomac River after buying it at the end of 2006. During the real estate boom, the Ritters earned six-figure incomes by flipping houses — buying and reselling rapidly.”

“Most of their activity was in the Fort Washington area. The Ritters ran into financial trouble once the housing bubble burst. They had said previously that they did not make payments because they were scrambling to save other investment properties from foreclosure. Neighbors in the small development of custom-built, high-end homes were reluctant to talk to a reporter about the eviction. One man, who did not give his name, said, ‘This is reality.’”




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Comment by Al
2012-05-11 06:29:47

“The fevered pace of building in Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal is fuelling fears that the condo market is dangerously close to overheating.”

Dangerously close to overheating = things have progessed far enough that a crash is gauranteed

Comment by Ben Jones
2012-05-11 06:53:52

Canadians are about to find out what Jack McCabe told us in 2005: that condos are the last to boom and the first to crash.

A few things: ‘the high construction rate simply reflects the breaking of ground on properties that were sold in 2010 and 2011′ - In other words, sold pre-construction.

‘Of 2,100 units Tridel has delivered in the past year, about 95 per cent were sold to local buyers, he said. Many of those are investors, he told the same summit, and about 20 per cent of units are put up for resale as soon as they are complete.’

Rampant speculation. And it doesn’t matter if it’s ‘locals’ or not.

‘Mr. Ritchie said that across Toronto, there were 173 projects under construction over all at the end of the first quarter, representing 48,000 units. Because builders are so risk averse, they will not start a project until it is at least 70 per cent sold, he said.’

Yes, risk averse and profit motivated. These people are building because the price is telling them to go ahead. That part is supply and demand. They will build until the price tells them no. But the problem with condos is, once started, it’s hard to stop. Many condo projects in the US were 70% sold and never got built.

None of it makes sense in a mania, that’s why justifications have to be created after the fact. Does this sound familiar?

‘100,000 new people coming into the [Greater Toronto Area] every year’

Comment by combotechie
2012-05-11 07:13:22

“None of it makes sense in a mania …”

No, no, no … it ALL makes sense in a mania. It’s only afterwards that it doesn’t seem to make sense.

And this is where we are screwed because for it to make sense again the mania has to be restarted. But once a mania has run its course it can’t be restarted again, at least not until another generation comes along.

Comment by Ben Jones
2012-05-11 09:11:17

‘once a mania has run its course it can’t be restarted again’

I agree with that, because a bubble is based on psychology, a purely mental construct. But in 2005, I was posting articles of big loses in China and Australian housing markets. And we see the resurgence of mania here in the US. Following along with the idea that it can’t be restarted, meaning once the psychology is broken, it’s over for good, I wonder if the bubbles ever were completely put down?

This brings up the question of why this is? The book Greenspan’s Bubbles may show one cause; that the various central banks have created conditions and policies to keep the psychology going. Of course, the longer this goes on, the more damage will occur. (Imagine if people were still pouring fortunes into Dr Koop stock?) And that the nature of this asset - houses - means it’s a debt based bubble.

I read yesterday that a joke in China is that you can get funding for an internet start-up with an idea written on a napkin. So I watch things like Facebook and wonder; is the dot.com bubble still alive?

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Comment by Carl Morris
2012-05-11 12:07:35

I wonder if the bubbles ever were completely put down?

Nope. I think we managed to save ourselves from that by making sure we didn’t hit bottom. Yet.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-11 14:30:12

“…various central banks have created conditions and policies to keep the psychology going.”

It’s what I have long referred to as the hair-of-the-dog hangover cure for a credit binge.

 
 
Comment by Al
2012-05-11 09:38:11

“But once a mania has run its course it can’t be restarted again, at least not until another generation comes along.”

Intuitively this makes sense, and yet there was a downturn in many Canadian housing markets in 2008, but then they took back off again. I fully believe there were bubbles at that point (prices going up faster than fundamentals since the beginning of the decade.) There was fear of a US style crash, but a further drop in interest rates by our CB seemed to alleviate it.

Maybe there wasn’t enough belief in the bubble and the popping of it for it to have run its course.

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Comment by combotechie
2012-05-11 09:55:20

If the bubble reinflates then this is proof that it hasn’t yet run its course.

Once it fully runs its course then you will have a lot more sellers than you will have buyers; You have more sellers because millions of people bought during the bubble years - during the mania.

If the bubble is to reinflate and houses are to reach higher and higher prices then the demand for the new bubble will have to eat its way through supply left by the old bubble. And by supply one has to think in terms of millions of houses.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2012-05-11 10:12:04

The dotcom bubble didn’t vanish in one downward move. It hung on for a while, and there were false upward movements.

And then there’s this; the curious multiple mania phenomenon. Stocks then real estate in both Japan and the US. How about this from the article on France:

‘The price-income ratio was stable from the 1960s to the late 1990s, before exploding over the past 12 years as a perfect storm of demographics, state sweetners and cheap credit led to a 12-year blow-off.’

‘There are parallels with Spain and America but Mr Sabatier said the French twist is a replay of the early 1930s when investors fled stocks after 1929 and rotated into “safe” property. Hence the paradox of rising prices during the Depression. The strange boom did not end until premier Pierre Laval cut rent ceilings in 1935, triggering a long slide.’

A strange boom indeed. I’ve been thinking about the global nature of this mania and what that means for years. Now we see bubble effects crossing oceans, emerging, falling and rising again. Chinese buying pre-construction condos in Australia and Canada. Australians and Canadians buying houses sight unseen in Arizona and Florida. Chinese ‘entrepreneurs’ drawing venture capital from a napkin, and a guy who looks like he could work at MacDonalds, walking around in a hoodie, doing a roadshow for an IPO and is likely a billionaire. From an internet concept created to hook up with girls.

There’s no telling what might happen from all this because it’s never happened before.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-05-11 10:34:28

when investors fled stocks after 1929 and rotated into “safe” property.

I saw this mentality play out in my father. After the stock market meltdown, he thought property was real and tangible, and thus safer, and wanted to move 100% of his assets into it. :-(

The reason for twin stock-market, then property bubbles may boil down to just this psychology…

 
Comment by Get Stucco
2012-05-11 14:39:31

“It hung on for a while, and there were false upward movements.”

Try not to get Zuckerberged.

Facebook IPO meets behavioral economics
By John Wasik
CHICAGO | Fri May 11, 2012 2:55pm EDT

(Reuters) - You may be smitten with the Facebook story and debating whether or not to buy stock when the company goes public. But if you haven’t studied the history of IPOs, you may be jumping into the purchase with unrealistic expectations and flawed biases.

While many of those allocated shares early on will likely prosper - or be able to sell quickly at a profit after an immediate run-up - the rest of us might not fare as well.

The company may raise up to $10.6 billion, an amount that would beat the debuts of tech giant Google Inc while giving it a total stock market value that exceeds Amazon.com. Facebook has indicated an initial public offering (IPO) per-share range of $28 to $35, pegging the potential value of the company at $77 billion to $96 billion.

But when an IPO scores big on its first day, data shows that’s not a leading indicator as to how it performs in the future.

“With the exception of IPOs from 1999-2000, there is no reliable relation between first-day returns and the subsequent three-year return,” says Jay Ritter, a professor of finance at the University of Florida who has been studying IPO results and updates a database on their performance.

Even if Facebook soars immediately to a market cap of $150 billion or more, there are warning signs ahead, says Ritter: “further upside potential is severely limited.”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-11 16:51:00

“…he thought property was real and tangible, and thus safer, and wanted to move 100% of his assets into it.”

There are lots of other forms of real and tangible property besides houses.

 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-05-11 07:50:47

“Nancy Taza, a sales representative at a brokerage office in one of the CityPlace condo complexes in downtown Toronto, who has a direct stake in the market, also isn’t worried. ‘Are there a lot of buildings going up? Yes. But, I really don’t worry about the market and my investments [three condos], because I see the demand every day and it’s so strong.’”

I now know of someone who’s gonna get stucco with three condos. Are personal BK laws in Canada similar to US laws?

‘100,000 new people coming into the [Greater Toronto Area] every year’

Yeah, and how many of them can afford one of those condos?

Comment by Ben Jones
2012-05-11 09:01:35

I don’t know, but here’s a new one to me; ‘born-again singles.’

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Comment by arit
2012-05-11 16:15:21

Guys, the situation in Canada IS different.
It’s different here.

We have an example in front of us. Our graphs phase behind yours by 5 years.

But the word is that we are “better” than the Americans. So it won’t happen here. 70% of us Canadians do not see our own subprime, ninja loans, and 5% 30-40 year amort.

So if we cannot learn from your mistakes, we will repeat them with a a vengeance.

And we have leaky condos, which you did not! Most of our buildings in Vancouver will have envelope failures within 10 years of construction, costing tens or more K for repairs to each strata member.

Regards

arit

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-11 19:19:31

“So if we cannot learn from your mistakes, we will repeat them with a a vengeance.”

Sounds like a blast…enjoy!

 
 
Comment by Dave of the North
2012-05-11 17:31:09

My nephew bought a condo (to live in) in Toronto about 3 or 4 years ago. I was wondering how he would make out, as it was pretty crazy back then. He sold it about 18 months ago, so he escaped that trap, but then bought a monster home outside of Toronto…

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Comment by Realtors Are Swindlers®
2012-05-11 07:56:55

“The End Of Property’s Golden Age”

Succinctly stated, the end of reaItors misrepresenting the truth about housing and getting away with it.

Comment by snake charmer
2012-05-11 08:35:03

No. That will never end. What’s happened is that the realtor/stockbroker mode of doing business has spread to the world’s economic and political leaders.

 
 
Comment by Steve J
2012-05-11 09:57:03

Wait until those Chinese angry about losing money in a condo lose thier jobs as well. Then you will see a nice riot.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-05-11 13:04:32

“Folks who have always wanted a condo”

I have never understood the appeal of condos. Essentially, you are buying an apartment, with all the risks of shared walls and ceilings with bad neighbors and the additional risk of HOA rules and increasing HOA fees.

Comment by BetterRenter
2012-05-11 22:00:10

The appeal of condos is egotistical. You’re “too busy” to deal with the mundane things of home ownership, like landscaping. People are literally buying condos so they can feel like they are buying servants. And condos are far more restrictive about who they take in. Condos automatically have an Association controlling them. Ultimately, it’s more elitism and ego; it keeps out the riff-raff.

Unless condos are extremely cheap (which is a rarity), they make no economic sense whatsoever. That only leaves ego.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-11 13:08:21

“More homeowners in East China’s Zhejiang province are protesting, as developers slash home prices without compensating earlier buyers. The Beijing Times said the three developers slashed their prices from 2,000 yuan to 4,000 yuan ($320 to $640) a square meter. ‘I bought my apartment for 12,600 yuan per square meter in August, but it is 8,800 yuan per square meter now. I lost more than 200,000 yuan in less than half a year. How can I accept that?’ a homeowner named Liu said at a protest last week in Hangzhou, according to the newspaper.”

Free-market Communism in action…

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-11 22:48:21

CHINA NEWS
Updated May 11, 2012, 1:20 a.m. ET

More Wealthy Chinese Said to Prepare Exits
By JASON CHOW And ANGUS LOTEN

Some immigration lawyers have seen a new increase in the number of Chinese seeking foreign citizenship, a trend they suggest is tied to worries about political turmoil and economic slowdown in China, especially among businesspeople and politicians seeking to protect their families and wealth.

“There’s definitely a surge in China for what I call ‘let-me-out-now’ product,” said Jean-Francois Harvey, an immigration lawyer based in Hong Kong who deals with clients throughout Asia.

More wealthy Chinese are said to be looking for foreign citizenship. The WSJ’s Deborah Kan speaks to reporter Jason Chow about possible reasons behind the exodus.

The recent interest builds on a trend of growth in applications from Chinese seeking to emigrate to places like the U.S., Canada and the U.K. in recent years, including to programs that promise citizenship in exchange for investments: In the U.S., 75% of investor-immigrant applicants were from China in fiscal 2011.

The rush to apply to the U.S. investor immigration program, known as the EB5 visa, is also partly prompted by Washington politics: The plan has to be reauthorized by Congress in September for it to continue, but applications filed before that date will still be considered. Last time the program was up for review, in 2009, there was a big spike in applications.

Under the program, applicants and their immediate families receive permanent U.S. residency if an investment of at least $1 million in the U.S. leads to 10 full-time jobs within two years. The requirement is only $500,000 if the U.S. jobs created are in a rural or high-unemployment area.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-11 14:28:01

“The End of Property’s Golden Age”

Have we entered a new era, where smart new entrants to the housing market, like Wharton MBA graduates, rent, and stupid people own?

Happy Renters Stay On Homeownership Sidelines
by Curt Nickisch
Morning Edition
[4 min 29 sec]

May 11, 2012 from WBUR

U.S. homeownership rates have fallen to their lowest point since 1997, despite the homebuyer tax credit and enduring rock-bottom interest rates. Two years ago on Morning Edition, we profiled two couples who were renting with no regrets. Have they changed their tune?

STEVE INSKEEP, HOST:

OK, so Sony is losing money, the post office, losing money, and American homeownership rates have fallen to their lowest point since 1997. That’s last item sounds like bad news but, well, maybe it’s not. Home ownership rates have fallen despite stabilizing housing prices in many parts of the country and very low interest rates.

Couple of years ago, though, NPR profiled two Boston couples at opposite ends in life who had one thing in common: they both were renting with no regrets.

Today Curt Nickisch of our member station WBUR follows up to see if they’ve been tempted to buy homes given the improving market.

CURT NICKISCH, BYLINE: We last heard from Prashant Jeloka and Meenal Bagla in their creaky apartment building in Boston. Well, two years later, the married couple in their early 30s is still renting, but they’re in a very different place now.

(SOUNDBITE OF VOICES)

NICKISCH: It’s a brand-new high-rise apartment complex in India, in the booming New Delhi suburb of Gurgaon. Meenal is putting on a party for her brother, who just had a baby girl.

MEENAL BAGLA: Personally, yeah, I mean it’s been fantastic. I’m glad that I was here for that milestone, you know. So it makes me happy that I’m close to family.

NICKISCH: Returning to India for a while has been good, professionally, too. Meenal’s U.S. employer asked her to open an office in the country. Back in Boston, she and Prashant had thought about buying a place. That was when Congress was handing out thousands of dollars to people like them - a tax credit for first-time homebuyers.

BAGLA: I don’t regret having not bought, at all. Because I think it gave us the flexibility at the time that we needed it.

NICKISCH: Prashant says buying would have made picking up and moving harder to do. Doesn’t matter that it was India, could’ve been Indianapolis. Either way, they would have had to sell or else rent out their house.

PRASHANT JELOKA: And if it was expensive enough, we might have chosen not to do it, which I would have regretted more than anything else.

NICKISCH: Now, they’re moving back to the U.S., looking for jobs in Boston, New York, and San Francisco. And this time, they might buy a place. But they haven’t changed their philosophy about renting versus buying. Prashant says what’s different is that they’re planning to put down roots for at least 10 to 15 years.

JELOKA: Renting gives us some benefits which we’ve enjoyed so far. Buying gives us some financial benefits, only if we do it long term. And now that we are thinking long term, we might be open to doing it. The fundamental thinking hasn’t changed at all, I don’t think.

NICKISCH: What has changed is that more people are thinking like them.

JOE GYOURKO: At the end of each class at the end of the term, I ask my MBA students, how many of them are going to buy a home? And there has been a really sharp drop.

NICKISCH: Joe Gyourko teaches real estate at The Wharton School. He says five years ago more than half the class - roughly 25 people - would raise their hands. At the end of this semester, only two students did.

GYOURKO: So young people, I’ve often wondered why they own is such high propensities, because they should be more mobile and be able to move to opportunities, because their careers aren’t set. So I think this is actually not a bad thing.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-05-11 14:41:32

About a decade ago, there was quite a push for parents to buy their college kiddies a house for their student partying years.

I live across the street from such a place. Princess (for whom the house was bought) graduated and moved on three years ago. From what I could see from over here at the Ranch, I think the family considered selling, but decided against it. I suspect that they realized that they couldn’t get the price they were so ardently hoping for.

These days, Princess’ brother and his buddies live there. Place is turning into a real dump, and we neighbors aren’t happy about that.

As for that desire to buy houses for the young ‘uns? It seems to have packed up and left Tucson. Now we’re just dealing with the infestors who think they’re going to get rich by buying and renting multiple SFRs.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-05-11 15:26:23

When housing was bubbling up, it probably penciled out as free housing to buy when they went to college and sell when they finished. If you hit that window just right, it would have worked out.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-11 15:32:48

“Now we’re just dealing with the infestors who think they’re going to get rich by buying and renting multiple SFRs.”

I never cease to be amazed at how many layers of greater fools have to become the next bagholders before the bubble finally bottoms out.

Comment by rms
2012-05-11 21:39:43

I never cease to be amazed at how many layers of greater fools have to become the next bagholders before the bubble finally bottoms out.

The music will continue as long as taxpayers assume 90% of the downside risk in these deals.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-11 22:51:50

That’s just it. If Romney simply stood up and openly stated his intention to put an end to the housing market insanity, I might consider voting for him.

 
 
 
 
 
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