May 25, 2012

The Epic Pace Of Property Appreciation

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “In the Crans-Montana resort, also in the Valais canton, chalet blocks five to ten storeys high extend for as far as the eye can see. Come spring and their shutters remain closed barring a few exceptions. A March 11 initiative saw the Swiss narrowly back a cap on second homes in every community. For Angela Turnbull from the real estate agency Angela Immobilier, acquiring a property in Crans-Montana ‘has never been so attractive.’ The new law ‘will certainly mean that few or even no new-builds whatsoever will see the light of day in the years to come,’ she says.”

“And by logic of supply and demand, this will likely lead to an jump in value of second homes. ‘Switzerland is becoming the hottest property owners’ club in the world,’ said Turnbull, who recommends that investors, and wealthy foreigners in particular, should act fast.”

“Norway’s central bank has emphasized that it is reluctant to widen the interest rate gap to Europe even as house prices have reached records while acknowledging last week that housing market developments and household debt may become a source of ‘instability in the Norwegian economy in the longer term.’ Norway isn’t in the grip of a housing bubble and a shortage of supply in the property market will prevent prices from falling, said Erna Solberg, the leader of the Conservative Party and the front-runner to take over as prime minister in next year’s election.”

“‘I argue against a housing bubble because a housing bubble is an influx of prices without demand; in Norway it’s demand that’s the biggest reason,’ Solber said. ‘I don’t think house prices will fall.’”

“Most economists and real estate insiders do agree that real estate values in Toronto will almost certainly be higher in 20 years. So for a young couple looking to invest for the long-term, there’s really no bad time to buy. That is, if there’s something they can afford. Amy and Chris Poole have lost out on four offers and backed out of three others. They say competition at open houses is so intense they’ve seen things get physical. Chris described a recent open house they attended. ‘The listing agent is backed into the corner by the fireplace, and somebody is standing there being quite loud saying, ‘I’m going to work with you, I’m going to make sure we get this property, whatever it takes, 120, 130 percent over asking, I’ll do it,’ just to try and intimidate everyone else,’ he recalled.”

‘Amy said that was the last open house they’ve been to. ‘You just walk through and everyone is sizing each other up, giving each other bad looks,’ she said.”

“Chris has heard the warnings that Toronto is building too much too fast. ‘Standing from our balcony there, we can see 14 cranes,’ Chris said. But he said he knows the other side of the argument. ‘Maybe we are behind what London, New York, what San Francisco is all about. Maybe this is sustainable, maybe this is the way things are going to be for a while,’ he said. ‘It’s hard to tell.’”

“Some people are hunting for high-rise apartments in Central Jakarta, others for sprawling housing estates in Bekasi, Tangerang and Bogor, but either way, demand for property is growing fast, and many of the largest developers are responding with a building spree. Residential property prices have spiked along with the rising demand.”

“‘In Jakarta, prices have gone up by 30 to 40 percent cumulatively over the past three years,’ said Luke Rowe, a senior technical adviser at Jones Lang LaSalle, a real estate services firm. Indonesians have fueled much of the push for property, but Rowe said the market would fare much better if foreigners were allowed to participate, as they can in Malaysia, Singapore and Australia.”

“Judith, a native of Zhejiang in China who lives in London, said her father paid the deposit on six off-plan flats in Colindale, north London, at a Shanghai exhibition a year ago despite the fact she warned him about its remote location. ‘The moment my father sat down, the agent wanted him to pay a reservation fee. Once he showed that he liked them, they said he had to pay the fee or someone else would snap them up,’ she said.”

“His experience shows the potential pitfalls facing a growing number of Far Eastern people buying British homes unseen as developers target places such as Hong Kong, Shanghai and Singapore because British buyers are struggling to get mortgages. Estate agents said overseas buyers of property as an investment were at risk of getting lower-than-expected returns as the mass marketing of the homes at events meant many landlords would likely have to vie for tenants all at once, pushing rents down, said Camilla Dell, managing partner at Black Brick Property Solutions, which helps overseas buyers find London homes.”

“‘I have yet to see a development where the rents have exceeded the advertised rent,’ said Ashley Jones, managing director at London-based estate agent Barclay Residential. ‘I cannot see all of this having a happy ending.’”

“Macau, where casinos raked in $33 billion last year, is expected to make around $40 billion in 2012, with a growth rate estimated at 18 to 25 percent, down from 42 percent in 2011. High-spending Chinese gamblers account for around 70 percent of revenues, but their spending is dropping, analysts say. ‘To assume that Macau gaming revenues will continue to grow at a double-digit pace, is to assume that the epic pace of property appreciation in China continues,’ said Mike Turner, analyst at Washington-based brokerage Compass Point.”

“Macau’s boom in the past two years has been due in large part to the assets of many VIP customers in China appreciating sharply. Those big spenders are also given credit by junket operators based on the value of their property or stocks. So with property prices easing and stock markets weak in China, Turner expects this to be mirrored in gambling revenues.”

“Adelaide University director of housing Professor Andrew Beer said the market was the ’slowest it had been since the year 2000.’ ‘The market is adjusting to slower economic conditions and a fall in access to credit for some people in the community,’ he said. ‘But there are no grounds to panic.’”

“Real Estate Institute of SA president Greg Moulton said variations in suburb price performance showed the market was ‘very, very patchy.’ ‘Pricing has to be spot on and if it is a little bit above the mark, buyers will make cheaper offers,’ he said. Mr Moulton said many vendors were deciding to rent their home rather than sell if they did not achieve their target sale price.”

“About 15% of total houses in Gujarat are empty. Leading the pack of cities with the most number of vacant houses are Ahmedabad and Surat with about three lakh units each - of the total Rs 1.75 crore houses across the state, over 24 lakh are lying unoccupied, according to census 2011. A large number of these units belong to investors, who buy houses and exit after booking profits.”

“State urban development minister Nitin Patel said, ‘These houses were vacant because of the investors . Large number of houses are vacant because there was no demand in the market and these houses were technically with the builders. Also a large number of people invest in real investors to get good benefits.’”

“Industry sources say this is mainly due to the fact that Gujarat has been an investor-driven market. Many investors prefer paying the builders but not getting their properties registered to avoid registration charges. ‘The figure also reflects such homes,’ says a developer.”

“Nearly 1 in 3 homeowners with a mortgage in Los Angeles County owes more on the loan than the property is worth, according to Zillow. In the hard-hit Inland Empire, that climbs to more than half of borrowers. Underwater homeowners in Los Angeles, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino, Ventura and San Diego counties were a staggering $138.9 billion deep in negative equity at the end of the first quarter, Zillow reported. Nationally, underwater borrowers owe about $1.2 trillion more than what those properties are worth, Zillow estimates.”

“Richard Green, director of the USC Lusk Center for Real Estate, has studied the issue and found that borrowers who had put higher down payments on their properties were less likely to abandon their homes even if they couldn’t sell their homes for enough to pay off their mortgages. ‘People don’t like to walk away from something they have put money into,’ Green said. ‘People seem to hate realizing losses.’”

“Q: We own a home in Georgia. Due to a job change, my husband moved out of state and took a large pay cut. I stayed in the home for a year after he moved and we depleted our savings during that time. We were finally able to rent the home out, but the rent does not cover our expenses. Now the mortgage company will not accept our request for a loan modification. We are in the arrears since January of this year. I am truly perplexed why the mortgage company will not work with us.”

“A: You stopped making payments to your lender in January and now the lender has the right to foreclose on the home, sell it and use those proceeds to pay whatever is owed on the debt. In your situation, you can wait for the lender to foreclose or you can try to sell the home. As for your tenant, you are now well into positive balance on your home budget. You’ve stopped paying the lender and you’re collecting rent on the home.”

“About two dozen people picketed the Wells Fargo Home Mortgage office in downtown Plainfield to publicize a Joliet woman’s foreclosure troubles. Tom Goyda, a spokesman for Wells Fargo, said the company had been working with Barrow-Leggett for two years in an effort to help her remain in her home. The latest review a month ago did not identify ‘an option that works,’ he said in an email.”

“During Monday’s protest, some drivers passing by beeped their horns in support. Other drivers frowned in disapproval. ‘My husband has been out of work for three years,’ yelled one woman driving by. ‘We still pay our mortgage.’”




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Comment by MaaacDoc
2012-05-25 07:38:57

So, then, basically… humanity is doomed never to learn.

What can one say…

Comment by JingleMale
2012-05-25 18:36:47

The lesson is there are seasons and cyles. We all can learn….FB’s and HBB’rs. It does no one any good to get stuck in one way looking at the market. Here is the latest from Northern California….

“The Sacramento Region carries much of the overleveraged CRE debt that will take years to work its way through the process of refis, short sales or foreclosures. Investors and owner-users looking to acquire distressed assets, REOs or shorts sales will have an inventory to look at for the next 3 – 5 years depending on the sub-market. The good news is we have seen our market values stabilize as a whole.”

“On a more positive note: Residential real estate has is also stabilized in our area. For the first time in fifteen years there are less homes coming on the market than ones selling. Last week, one open house in Roseville had 500 people through, resulting in 70 offers and in contract for 20% more than the asking price (asking $275k, sold $330k).”

Happy Mermorial Day. My American Flag is flying from the pole on the front of the house.

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2012-05-25 18:38:59

Head fake, but keep on drinking that Kool-Aid.

Comment by JingleMale
2012-05-25 19:51:47

It appears you got stucco, GB….only one way of looking at the market. Values don not go down forever, just like it do not go up forever.

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Comment by Get Stucco
2012-05-25 21:33:52

The issue you potentially have overlooked is that residential real estate can experience dead cat bounces, just like the stock market.

The primary difference is that the pace of adjustment in the real estate market is glacial compared to the stock market’s pace of adjustment. A real estate dead cat bounce could last a couple of years before the market resumed its decent towards equilibrium.

 
Comment by JingleMale
2012-05-26 05:53:19

Good point GS and I agree with you there is some risk. However, I don’t think rents are going to drop much, if at all, and over the last 3 years, they have been going back up from their 2009 lows. I also believe if you buy below reproduction cost, you are getting in below the mean.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-25 21:26:11

“…overleveraged CRE debt that will take years to work its way through the process of refis, short sales or foreclosures.”

Isn’t this just a bullshitty kind of way to say ‘over-leveraged residential construction debt’? Calling a spade ‘a spade’ goes a long way towards improving the quality of the debate.

Comment by jinglemale
2012-05-26 05:36:32

CRE = commercial real estate

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-25 21:27:11

“The good news is we have seen our market values stabilize as a whole.”

The bad news is that not all high plateaus are permanent.

Comment by jinglemale
2012-05-26 05:38:36

Why do you think we are on a plateau? Prices are below reproduction costs…

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-25 22:34:07

“… humanity is doomed never to learn.”

Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will learn in no other.

– Benjamin Franklin

Comment by jinglemale
2012-05-26 05:41:51

Exactly. It is just as foolish to think home prices will go down forever. Experience proves otherwise.

 
 
 
Comment by Muggy
2012-05-25 07:47:49

“the latest review a month ago did not identify an option that works”

Is “pay your effing mortgage / don’t cram your maw with credit” an option?

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2012-05-25 07:59:07

It’s difficult to understand where we are with the global housing bubble, because the media ignore it. So anyone interested has to glean what they can from various sources. IMO, many countries or entire regions are either at all time highs, or just barely off the peak. I don’t have time or space to post them all:

‘Property prices in Rio are cooling and some sellers are even accepting offers below the asking price but that means that foreign buyers are seeing the city as a real estate investment opportunity, according to experts. Property prices in the popular Brazilian city have rocketed in recent years with demand coming from domestic buyers eager to own their own home and also invest in property.’

‘Brazil’s strong economic performance prompted a very strong Real and increased confidence, encouraging Brazilian banks to lend money to consumers like never before. Combined with increased security and a growing international interest due to the FIFA World Cup and the Olympics, Rio rapidly turned into both one of the most desirable, and most expensive, cities to live in.’

I read the NAR economists saying prices were up in the US in almost every state. I don’t know about that, but even if it’s true, they are up in Jakarta too. So what? What should matter is are house prices too high. Are lending standards where they need to be. Again, if ‘affordability is at an all time high’ as the NAR says, how come the govt is doing all the lending at under 4% with little to nothing down?

I don’t see how this situation isn’t ringing alarm bells around the world. I guess it is, but not many are listening.

Comment by Neuromance
2012-05-25 08:50:24

In much of the rest of the world, big money has got even more control over the media and government than it does here. And Big Money (e.g. the FIRE sector) makes out like bandits when there’s a bubble.

Don’t expect to see them draw attention to the core issues behind this bubble and debt crisis - namely bad debt, and specifically, bad property loans. Especially as they are getting rich off of them.

So - that’s the trend.

 
Comment by Xenos
2012-05-25 11:09:16

Wasn’t there a long time poster (NHZ?) from the Netherlands who was bemoaning the hopeless situation there, as the government was thoroughly dedicated to perpetuating the bubble there? Apparently it has deflated a bit, but not much.

Zerohedge reviewed this a few months ago:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-post-2009-northern-western-european-housing-bubble

Elsewhere in Europe the bubble has continued- Austria, Sweden, and Switzerland seem to have no shortage of buyers, and fashionable parts of London and all of Paris are increasingly expensive. I live in Luxembourg, where the local economy is pretty flat, profits for the banks could soon be disastrous, and the partners at the big four firms are looking at paying money into the partnerships this year, meaning zero bonuses for anyone. And prices are up 15% this year after going up 12% last year.

The economy is sucking, prospects are calamitous, and people are betting big on real estate as a way of chasing returns. Having moved here from the Boston area a couple years ago this looks damned familiar. Meanwhile, the banks will lend you 5 times your gross income, no money down, for any property you can afford. All you need to do is pay the notary fees, about 6,000 Euros. And then, if you have kids, the government will pay 100 euros per kid, per month, towards your mortgage until they are 26 years old.

I like it here, but I am concluding that I am definitely renting for life at this pace.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-25 21:46:06

“The economy is sucking, prospects are calamitous, and people are betting big on real estate as a way of chasing returns.”

Sounds like an epic clusterfork in the works…

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-25 21:52:42

“I like it here, but I am concluding that I am definitely renting for life at this pace.”

I’m leaning that way, too.

Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-05-26 02:29:42

I feel the same way at this point. I hold out hope that patience will payoff some day, but life goes on.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-25 21:42:17

“It’s difficult to understand where we are with the global housing bubble, because the media ignore it. So anyone interested has to glean what they can from various sources.”

That’s where blogs come in handy: They provide a convenient forum for curious onlookers to filter the truth from globally-extant MSM propaganda.

In addition, ideas developed on blogs provide a useful source for future MSM reports, as even the most clueless MSM-favored ‘expert’ eventually has to acknowledge the obvious.

 
 
Comment by snake charmer
2012-05-25 08:12:57

“Macau’s boom in the past two years has been due in large part to the assets of many VIP customers in China appreciating sharply. Those big spenders are also given credit by junket operators based on the value of their property or stocks.”
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So a corrupt Chinese elite gambled once on real estate speculation, and is using paper gains on said real estate to gamble a second time at casinos. I have a feeling some people are going to be shot. No wonder Vancouver is so popular.

Comment by Ben Jones
2012-05-25 08:22:23

The signs are there for anyone to see. In 2005 I posted a report of a bus full of investors driven around Baltimore buying house based on one look. That got a lot of HBBers attention. Now we have many thousands of investors buying pre-construction housing units, sight unseen, all over the world!

‘Judith said her father paid the deposit on six off-plan flats in Colindale, north London, at a Shanghai exhibition a year ago. ‘The moment my father sat down, the agent wanted him to pay a reservation fee. Once he showed that he liked them, they said he had to pay the fee or someone else would snap them up,’ she said.’

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-05-25 08:25:32

I remember similar reports when I first climbed aboard the Good Ship HBB back in mid-2006.

And, oh, did we have fun. Calling those buses turnip trucks for in-VEST-ors to fall off of. Those were good times here on the HBB.

 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-05-25 08:53:34

It was actually looking into Baltimore housing that made me aware of the shenanigans in the property market. Real estate agents I spoke with were saying there were “structural changes” in the market, that the US population had grown and housing demand had grown.

YET - I had the impression that Baltimore had been losing population for a long time. And still its house prices were skyrocketing. I checked - during the bubble run-up, 2000-2006, Baltimore had indeed lost population. So, clearly, this indicated something else was driving the runaway prices. Which led to the discovery of debauched lending and the bubble in mortgage debt.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-05-25 09:32:58

If you’ve ever ridden Amtrak through Baltimore, you’ll pass by several miles of well-built rowhouses. Sturdy brick structures that are now abandoned. Some of them aren’t even boarded up.

Where did the people go? Who knows?

But if Baltimore’s population were on the increase, some enterprising people would figure out a way to renovate these houses and get them back on the market.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2012-05-25 09:56:09

I spent several hours walking around downtown Baltimore and the rowhouses are pretty cool. It was also one of the highest concentrations of abandoned and foreclosed houses I’ve ever seen. One thing i remember that was gross; the smell of urine was common. I’m guessing lots of homeless people.

 
Comment by JMS
2012-05-25 17:25:48

Baltimore used to be a city of 1mil plus back in the 50-60s. The area people know as the inner harbor used to be the industrial center of the city. Allied chemical, GM, domino sugar etc all had factories down town. These industries have long been gone. Downtown wad rebuilt to be a tourist attraction throughout the 90s. The population is down to about 600k. The jobs have vanished. Bethlehem steel is still operational but using a fraction of the number of employees they once had. It seems like they are bought out by some other steel conglomerate every year to save them from permanently closing.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-25 22:27:30

“Baltimore used to be a city of 1mil plus back in the 50-60s.”

I’m guessing that through lens of history’s rear-view mirror, many U.S. cities will appear to have experienced their heyday back in the post-WWII mid-20th century, followed by a protracted subsequent period of decline which continues to this day.

Detroit comes to mind as another worthy example.

Half of Detroit’s Streetlights May Go Out as City Shrinks
By Chris Christoff - May 24, 2012 9:06 AM PT

Detroit Residents Stay In at Night as Lights Go Out

Detroit, whose 139 square miles contain 60 percent fewer residents than in 1950, will try to nudge them into a smaller living space by eliminating almost half its streetlights.

As it is, 40 percent of the 88,000 streetlights are broken and the city, whose finances are to be overseen by an appointed board, can’t afford to fix them. Mayor Dave Bing’s plan would create an authority to borrow $160 million to upgrade and reduce the number of streetlights to 46,000. Maintenance would be contracted out, saving the city $10 million a year.

Other U.S. cities have gone partially dark to save money, among them Colorado Springs; Santa Rosa, California; and Rockford, Illinois. Detroit’s plan goes further: It would leave sparsely populated swaths unlit in a community of 713,000 that covers more area than Boston, Buffalo and San Francisco combined. Vacant property and parks account for 37 square miles (96 square kilometers), according to city planners.

“You have to identify those neighborhoods where you want to concentrate your population,” said Chris Brown, Detroit’s chief operating officer. “We’re not going to light distressed areas like we light other areas.”

Detroit’s dwindling income and property-tax revenue have required residents to endure unreliable buses and strained police services throughout the city. Because streetlights are basic to urban life, deciding what areas to illuminate will reshape the city, said Kirk Cheyfitz, co-founder of a project called Detroit143 — named for the 139 square miles of land, plus water — that publicizes neighborhood issues.
Rethinking Detroit

“It touches kids going to school in the dark,” said Cheyfitz, chief executive of Story Worldwide Ltd., a New York marketing company. “It touches midnight Mass at a church. It touches businesses that want to stay open past 9 p.m.”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-26 00:37:48

“Other U.S. cities have gone partially dark to save money, among them Colorado Springs; Santa Rosa, California; and Rockford, Illinois.”

Some of us have been reading and posting on the HBB for upwards of seven years at this point. It is sad that some of the early generation of posters seems to have vanished, never again to be heard from.

For instance, there was a fellow who called himself ‘TurnOutTheLights.’ Now we read about how Detroit, Colarado Springs, Santa Rosa and Rockford can’t afford to keep their streetlights lit, and the fellow whose five-year-old prediction has finally come to pass is nowhere to be found.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-05-26 02:09:54

A few of my fave monikers were Auction Heaven in 07 (even though he made that prediction in 04 or 05 and they didn’t really happen until 08 or 09) and PriceDoubt (Priced Out double meaning?).

And while I’m thinking of it, even though I think they were more recent additions, what happened to Neil? Hoz? And the other guy who was the only person who seemed to understand Hoz’s investment schemes, and vice versa?

Almost a decade here, and prices are still insane…

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-25 21:57:04

‘…“structural changes” in the market, that the US population had grown…’ OLD ‘…and housing demand had…’ DIED.

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Comment by snake charmer
2012-05-25 09:46:37

I used to watch network news back then. One of the stories, decidedly non-judgmental, showed someone at his desk buying a suburban tract house with a click of his computer mouse. He’d never even been to that city. I also remember reading a WSJ story where the writer described buying a house in Naples, Fla., without having been there either.

Comment by MiddleCoaster
2012-05-25 10:36:51

“I have a mansion, forget the price
Ain’t never been there, they tell me it’s nice”

With thanks to Joe Walsh for penning this delightful ditty!

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Comment by Roy G Biv
2012-05-25 11:18:09

Ben, As an old timer I always look forward to your Friday’s “Desk Cleaning” column. How about a Sunday “Today in Bubble History” where your post from 5 years etc are posted [clearly showing that they are OLD news, but to give us a background from whence we comed.] ??

Comment by ahansen
2012-05-26 20:51:45

Second, Roy. Nice to see you’re still around.

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Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2012-05-25 17:00:51

“The signs are there for anyone to see. In 2005 I posted a report of a bus full of investors driven around Baltimore buying house based on one look. That got a lot of HBBers attention. Now we have many thousands of investors buying pre-construction housing units, sight unseen, all over the world!”

Sounds a lot like the Florida land boom/bust of the early 1920’s. ‘Buy your piece of Paradise- sight unseen- before they are all gone!’ Lots of plots in the Everglades were sold that way… Buried underneath 4 feet of stagnant water, gators and slime.

Comment by Get Stucco
2012-05-26 00:43:59

“Sounds a lot like the Florida land boom/bust of the early 1920’s.”

Ya think?

Groucho Marx endorses Stucco

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-25 21:54:21

“Now we have many thousands of investors buying pre-construction housing units, sight unseen, all over the world!”

The bubble is clearly in the viral stage.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-05-25 08:24:06

I think you’ve hit the nail squarely on the head, snake charmer. A lot of those overseas buyers are gettin’ outta China while the gettin’ is still good.

And, truth be told, a lot of our ancestors did the same thing. They bailed out of their home countries and came to the United States. Not that this place was more wonderful than where they came from.

I know for a fact that my father’s paternal grandmother loathed this country. But she had a nice crash at my grandfather’s great-big, “paid for by his prowess as a Wall Street bonds analyst” house.

So, no way was she going back across the pond. Not while her only child and his wife and kids were doing so well here.

Let’s face it. A lot of people come here strictly for economic reasons. The rhetoric about American freedom is beside the point.

Comment by Rancher
2012-05-25 12:30:21

My maternal Grandfather and Grandmother got off the boat from Norway when they were 17 and 16 years old respectfully. They came here for the
freedom to better themselves due to the economic conditions that freedom allowed.

My fraternal Great, great grandfather left Scotland for the same reason. In Scotland he was
a serf, in America, he had the freedom to strike
out on his own to either succeed or fail.

America’s freedoms are what allowed this country to grow and get rich.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-05-25 13:40:32

Sounds to me like he also had the freedom in Scotland to leave.

And we still have the “freedom” to “strike out on our own to either succeed or fail” and yet we are becoming poorer by the day.

We like to romanticize the past, yet people weren’t so “free” here in the past. In fact, some were the legal property of others not so long ago, and were denied equal rights until rather recently. We forget about the Robber Barons and the tenements. We forget about the blood that was spilled fighting for workers rights. We like to think it was the land of milk and honey, but there was poverty, even more than now.

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Comment by snake charmer
2012-05-25 18:05:55

Since we’ve mentioned Baltimore, over twenty years ago I interviewed for a job there. Several people at the company had framed indentures, from the era of buying your passage to America with seven years of indentured servitude, on their office walls. Maybe it was the fashion. Maybe it was a warning about corporate culture. But maybe it was foreshadowing that another era of indentured servitude is coming.

I didn’t get the job, and in fairness the town didn’t appeal to me all that much. But I still thank whoever it was at this blog who turned me on to Old Bay, because that stuff’s just #&*%@# awesome.

 
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-05-26 02:32:33

Even though I am taking it in the behind from the bubbleers, I have to admit that I am looking forward to the fun times ahead mocking all of the nonsense.

 
Comment by Robin
2012-05-26 13:59:16

Where’s Sammy?

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-05-26 20:55:22

Sammy got unfairly hounded, but I miss his measured observations, too. He always gave us something to think about.

If you’re out there, Sammy, please come back?

 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-25 21:47:06

“I have a feeling some people are going to be shot.”

In the case at hand, we can only hope.

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2012-05-25 08:29:19

“Borrowers who had put higher down payments on their properties were less likely to abandon their homes even if they couldn’t sell their homes for enough to pay off their mortgages…’People seem to hate realizing losses.’”

In the case of all those who put almost nothing down, or pulled all the equity out, it is the banks who hate realizing losses.

 
Comment by Steve J
2012-05-25 08:58:40

Switzerland is in danger of becoming a playground for the rich.

Zug locals squeezed out by rising house prices

Many international companies and their workers are moving to the low-tax canton of Zug, forcing out increasing numbers of locals who can no longer afford the rent.
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The success of the low-tax cantons has its flip side: rich newcomers drive property prices up, causing problems for locals. Increasing numbers of native Zug inhabitants, themselves middle class, are finding themselves forced to leave their homes.

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/specials/switzerland_magnet/Zug_locals_squeezed_out_by_rising_house_prices.html?cid=29110024

Comment by WT Economist
2012-05-25 09:07:37

It couldn’t happen to a nicer country.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2012-05-25 18:45:14

They should hold a convention for the 10,000 richest people in the world, then bomb it.

 
 
Comment by Dave of the North
2012-05-25 11:25:26

“Chris has heard the warnings that Toronto is building too much too fast. ‘Standing from our balcony there, we can see 14 cranes,’ Chris said. But he said he knows the other side of the argument. ‘Maybe we are behind what London, New York, what San Francisco is all about. Maybe this is sustainable, maybe this is the way things are going to be for a while,’ he said. ‘It’s hard to tell.’”

Toronto is always self-conscious about being behind London, NY, SF. They really want to be recognized as a world-class city. They seem to think if their housing costs are extermely high they are a world-class city.

A few years ago hotel people in TO were arguing that room rates were too low and should be raised because Toronto was a world-class city and should have world-class hotel rates. :)

 
Comment by palmetto
2012-05-25 12:29:01
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-25 13:01:10

“Underwater homeowners in Los Angeles, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino, Ventura and San Diego counties were a staggering $138.9 billion deep in negative equity at the end of the first quarter, Zillow reported. Nationally, underwater borrowers owe about $1.2 trillion more than what those properties are worth, Zillow estimates.”

Sounds like an epically bad time to own a home!

Comment by In Colorado
2012-05-25 13:32:02

It depends. If you paid $30K for your San Diego hone in the early 70’s (and resisted the siren call of the equity fairy), you’re probably doing fine. If you bought it during the bubble, then you probably aren’t

 
 
Comment by JimO
2012-05-25 16:24:48

Hi Ben, you can add Peru to your bubble list … Fueled in part by institutional investors elsewhere buying MBS as they seek yield. Pretty much anyone can qualify for a mortgage with little or no money down. The speculative frenzy of ‘buy to rent’ is well underway and still has legs to run. Average people are caught up in that psyche of we better buy now or we’ll be priced out forever. Nice residential areas of Lima are off the charts. Comparable US housing is very cheap in comparison. Of course wages are much lower in Peru.

It’s so funny to see foreign investors come in thinking that they are catching the beginning of the cycle. This global bubble just keeps on giving and giving. You would think it would be so boring by now … Hahahaha!

 
Comment by snake charmer
2012-05-25 17:59:57

It amazes me that a country one generation removed from a guerrilla insurgency that seriously threatened the state can have a debt-driven property bubble, but after seeing Colombia, which has ACTIVE guerrilla movements and feverish real estate activity, I can believe this entirely.

What does Miraflores look like?

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-25 21:18:21

“…in Norway it’s demand that’s the biggest reason,’”

Hayek: Blame low interest rates.

Keynes: It’s the animal spirits.

“Fear the Boom and Bust” a Hayek vs. Keynes Rap Anthem

 
Comment by John Berkowitz
2012-05-27 02:58:40

“Chris has heard the warnings that Toronto is building too much too fast. ‘Standing from our balcony there, we can see 14 cranes,’ Chris said. But he said he knows the other side of the argument.

This building craziness is fueled by the speculations on the market. I don´t see the other side of the argument. How can it be sustainable? There is no way it would work in a longer plan. We are currently sitting at , according to the Toronto - The Ghost City Syndrom and Scotia Bank. If 25 per cent of condos are unoccupied right now, the construction of others is just fueling the upcoming housing bubble crash.

 
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