May 27, 2012

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Comment by Realtors Are Thieving Pukes®
2012-05-27 06:10:52

Road trip to upstate NY and NY/VT border counties. Quite a few empty houses with no for sale signs(Mrs. is great at spotting these). Local sentiment does not reflect the lofty NAR hype we’ve all read in the media. There are no “bidding wars” or “dramatic increase in sales” but there is certainly mass delusion when it comes to asking prices.

Great job NAR you piece of $hit liars. You got everyone here expecting big pay days with no buyers in sight.

Housing is booming…..(?)
But where are the buyers?
Inventory is looming,
Realtors Are Liars.

Comment by Realtors Are Thieving Pukes®
2012-05-27 06:17:19

…. yes…….. yes…… realtors are liars.

Comment by palmetto
2012-05-27 06:28:58

Payback lies for lying liars:

“Your brakes are fine.”

“It’s just a little spot, nothing to worry about”.

“Buy Facebook, it’s gonna go through the roof!”

Comment by palmetto
2012-05-27 06:35:21

“It’s perfectly safe to eat.”

“He’s a great guy”.

“She’s a great gal”.

“The drinking water is fine”.

“That school will be great for your kids”.

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Comment by SV guy
2012-05-27 06:39:18

“In his culture that means ……….”

“You’re going to feel a little pressure”

“Everybody’s doing it”

 
Comment by combotechie
2012-05-27 07:11:59

Don’t worry, I’ve got it in writing!”

 
 
Comment by Overtaxed
2012-05-27 06:43:09

I’ll add a few of my own:

“You look great in that outfit”

“Winter tires are a marketing scam”

“Whole life insurance is the way to go for your situation”

“Meet my friend, Bernie, he’ll help you with your investments”

Of all of them, the last one is, by far, the most fitting.

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Comment by palmetto
2012-05-27 06:45:52

“Meet my friend, Bernie, he’ll help you with your investments”

Excellent. Screwed over by a lying realtor? Don’t get mad, get even.

 
Comment by absolutebeginner
2012-05-27 07:07:21

“You f%cked up… you trusted us! Hey, make the best of it! Maybe we can help”

 
Comment by combotechie
2012-05-27 07:14:51

“The way this thing is set up your return on your investment can always increase but it can never decrease.”

 
Comment by Lying Realtors
2012-05-27 13:22:01

And it’s worth noting that The Lying Realtors stopped publishing sales data in scores of counties after decades of monthly reporting. Why is that you lying thieving scum?

 
 
 
Comment by combotechie
2012-05-27 07:09:38

“Don’t get all bent out of shape, it’s just one measly cockroach.”

“I’ll get back to you on that.”

“Here, just take one drag of this stuff; it’ll do you wonders.”

“Hey, I’ve got a great idea for a knot for your bungie cord.”

 
 
Comment by Pete
2012-05-27 16:55:27

Of course, if houses don’t sell, realtors don’t make money.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2012-05-27 06:49:09

Awaiting…From yesterday;

I LOVE those types of laws ??

So do plaintiff attorney’s….!!!!

I would suggest you read Bill’s response because my position is more inlined with his…One mans nuisance is another mans paradise…Lots of kids in the neighborhood could be someones nuisance (see Tchik) because they may make a hell of a lot of noise particularly in the early evening during the summer…Do you disclose that ?? The answer is yes…

My point of them being over-the-top is that it is difficult to know what to disclose in todays Litigious enviorment…A good professional will help along with the standard disclosures you can buy from competent disclosure company’s…The newest disclosure required here in California is that of NG main line within a certain distance of the house…

The saying is, if you know it disclose it no matter how trivial you may think it may be and get every report or inspection that covers your backside so you don’t get that letter from the plaintiff attorney 6 months after you have closed the deal….

 
Comment by pawpawmi
2012-05-27 06:57:30

Credit observations while at the KIA dealership in Kalamazoo Mich on Saturday. My wife and I purchased a new car (the old one was a KIA RIO with 398000 miles). The salesman was a young guy and said he’d been on the job 7 months now. We haggled over the price, came to an agreement, and ultimately were waiting to see the Finance guy. As we waited my wife thought he looked familiar and asked did he know our nephew. He did! We chatted a bit and he let his guard down some. He told me I was the first person he’d ever sold a car to who argued over the final price. He said it was the first time he ever went to the manager and asked for a reduction (we got the $1000 cashback AND an additional $600 off). He said everyone else haggles over the PAYMENT. He says typically if he can beat a competitors’ PAYMENT he sells the car. He said it was not unusual for people to come in and qualify for a loan using 50% of their monthly takehome. The Finance guy agreed and said things were tight for a while but were fast returning to “normal”.

Comment by jinglemale
2012-05-27 07:27:16

I have never had a car loan. In 1998, the value of my HP Thinkpad exceeded the value if my car. Five years later the car was worth more than the computer! (Scrap metal) . Bought my current truck used 7 years ago for $17k. 165,000 miles. Could sell it for $9k. That equals $100/mon. I am helping a friend get a loan mod (IE: roll the dice ) and he and his wife both lease cars…$697/mon & $702/mon! Turns out they also lease $550,000 from GMAC…..secured by a $400,000 house.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-05-27 08:37:31

he and his wife both lease cars…$697/mon & $702/mon

What were those? 7 series Beamers? I see lease ads in the paper for some pretty decent cars and the teaser leases in te ads are between 200 and 300 a month

Comment by jinglemale
2012-05-27 09:40:41

Audi & a BMW. I wonder how the loan mod request will be recieved when they claim they can’t make their $3200/mon I/O loan payment, yet they spend $1400/mon on cars?

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Comment by rms
2012-05-27 18:19:16

…yet they spend $1400/mon on cars?

This is why Bernanke [had] to rescue the auto industry.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-05-27 07:28:42

Your story ties in with my thoughts this morning about the entire housing fiasco and the state of affairs of the US economy and America’s addiction to welfarism and credit.

My focus today was on “doing the right thing”. That’s the crap that all the political types feed us when coming up with new programs to reduce people’s payments and “keep them in their homes”, etc. etc, ad nauseum. Remember all the Realtor Hype? How many lies were we fed. BUY NOW, or you’ll be priced out forever. It’s the Best Time to Buy. There’s never been a better time to BUY or SELL.
Real estate never goes down…..blah, blah, blah.

The reality was simple. Real estate was in a bubble because PRICE got divorced from payment via bogus financial plans. This same thing happened back in the early 1990’s with “Graduated Payment Plans” and Interest Only loans. Yes, gang, this crap is not new, and the result was the same, a market crash, but on a much smaller scale. I was a Realtor back then and got out when I realized that the gang there was selling people lies. The idea then was to PUT some one IN a house and HOPE their incomes would increase enough to make the higher payments 3 to 5 years down the road.
In some cases it was true, but seldom.
The same thing happened here, but the difference was the PRICES were increasing more rapidly, thereby making the sales pitch much easier……Instant equity. You didn’t need to wait 3 to 5 years for the payment increase before you “realized” a huge gain on little money down. In the end it failed. 1/3 of folks who bought via finance are “underwater”. It’s a disaster.
And yet, people like myself said NO to FINANCE. Said NO to 50% price increases with NO income increases. Said NO to the whole game and were ridiculed by the “smart” people in the business.
In summation, People who said NO did the “right thing”. They are the ONLY ones who did the right thing. They refused to get suckered into huge financial slavery for a cheap payment (initial payment).
And yet, the financially responsible are vilified by folks like Krugman at the NYT who claim that massive spending and massive debt are what makes the world go round.
Your car story illustrates the housing story on a smaller scale.
Americans are WILLING debt slaves. The want their stuff and so long as they can make the payment (using current income, without savings for emergencies) then they will buy, buy, buy.
When they get into trouble, then Uncle Sugar needs to save them because, according to Krugman and the Money saints at the NYT…
They are doing the right thing and helping to “Stimulate” the economy. Savers. Prudent people who live below their means are the enemies of the State.
All hail the FED!!!

Comment by SUGuy
2012-05-27 09:48:36

And yet, the financially responsible are vilified by folks like Krugman at the NYT who claim that massive spending and massive debt are what makes the world go round

Krugman is quite smart. Could it be that he has to drum beat in order to save his ethnocentricity that invests in real estate and depend upon appreciation as well as equity withdrawals. There could very well be an agenda going on with Krugman.

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-05-27 10:42:51

Krugman is a stooge and nothing more. The NYT trots him out to spew propaganda and give it the color of economic “evidence”.
Here is an excerpt from a recent article in the American Thinker: (concerning selective statistical “evidence” to prove your theory):

Paul Krugman gave up being an honest economist a long time ago - shortly after he learned that the cool crowd gave him more attention when he conjured up economic-like arguments to support the left’s irrational view of the world.

His most recent piece of propaganda claims that increased national debt causes economic growth. He supports his claim by looking at 5 countries and showing that the countries with higher debt levels grew faster over the last 3 months. Thousands of Krugman zombies must have been elated to finally see hard evidence that the 1% aren’t any smarter or harder working: All you have to do is take on a lot of credit card debt.

But an economic Jedi — an undergraduate from the University of Illinois — uncovered the subtle flaw in Krugman’s logic: The earth has more than 5 countries, and the world wasn’t created 3 months ago. The student used a graph posted on his Facebook page to show that if you look at the 21 largest countries over the past year, you see a strong, clear relationship: Economies with higher debt grow less. (By the way, the IMF agrees with the undergrad.)

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/05/an_undergraduate_takes-down_paul_krugman.html#ixzz1w5oq0MkA

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Comment by measton
2012-05-27 11:27:36

His most recent piece of propaganda claims that increased national debt causes economic growth. He supports his claim by looking at 5 countries and showing that the countries with higher debt levels grew faster over the last 3 months.

This quote right here suggests that it is you spewing the propaganda. What Krugman pointed out is that the countries practicing austerity at a time of recession are performing worse. The Austrians have been telling us that the confidence fairy will miraculously save the day if countries only cut spending. So far that has not been the case. Instead of spewing venom why not log onto his blog and scroll down to the bottom of the page and you will see the graph. There is a difference between deficit spending and national debt you know.

“The student used a graph posted on his Facebook page to show that if you look at the 21 largest countries over the past year, you see a strong, clear relationship: Economies with higher debt grow less”

I don’t think Krugman would argue against this. Countries that are mired in debt and can’t print their own currency won’t be able to stimulate their economy. Thus the argument for cutting spending when times are good.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 18:13:49

Can’t say I agree with all that Krugman says, but I have thoroughly appreciated his recent efforts to debunk the idea that Romneyism (and, more generally, Wall Street disaster capitalism) has been good for the American economy.

Destruction normally doesn’t increase wealth.

 
 
Comment by SV guy
2012-05-27 11:03:04

“Krugman is quite smart. Could it be that he has to drum beat in order to save his ethnocentricity that invests in real estate and depend upon appreciation as well as equity withdrawals. There could very well be an agenda going on with Krugman.”

Ya think.

He’s nothing more than a carnival barker to me.

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Comment by Lying Realtors
2012-05-27 13:28:10

Look…… everyone of them have $$$$motive$$$$ They are corrupt liars. Krugman, Lafferr and every economist in between.

If you no longer accept the false dichotomies, there is hope for you.

 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-05-27 13:45:10

“…America’s addiction to welfarism and credit.”

You have problem with Corporate Communist Capitalism©®™, comrade?

 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2012-05-27 17:54:19

I posted some time ago that I had talked to a woman who works at a local Ford dealership. She said they are approving financing for people with credit scores in the 400’s. Companies are desperate to saddle people with debt and unload their product.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 07:14:46

I’m trying to figure out how to reconcile abundant anecdotal evidence that the FHA is again making low-downpayment, easy-money loans to marginally-qualified buyers with stories like this one, suggesting that well-qualified buyers are essentially disqualified from borrowing.

Is there more to this story than meets the eye? Why couldn’t Megabank, Inc figure out a sufficiently-large down payment amount for Mr. Eberle to make which would cover a worst-case risk of default? Seems like a no-brainer opportunity to make some risk-free money. Is it a case where government regulation is killing a potential win-win between borrower and lender?

KENNETH HARNEY NATION’S HOUSING
LOWER-INCOME RETIREES SHOULD PERSIST WITH LENDERS
By Union-Tribune
12:01 a.m., May 27, 2012
Updated 12:13 p.m., May 25, 2012

It’s a mortgage problem that is likely to intensify as homeowning baby boomers by the millions shift into retirement: Though they may have significant financial assets tucked away in retirement accounts, their diminished monthly incomes may not be sufficient to meet some lenders’ hyper-strict underwriting rules.

Jim Eberle of McLean, Va., found this out the hard way when he applied to refinance his mortgage. After spending much of his career working for banking industry trade associations in Washington, Eberle, 68, decided to take advantage of this spring’s unprecedented low interest rates with a 2.89 percent adjustable-rate 30-year loan offered by a large Midwestern bank.

To his utter shock, Eberle was rejected — the first time in 45 years of homeownership and eight different home loans. The reason for the turndown: insufficient income. “To get rejected was incredible,” Eberle said, because based on the extensive documentation he provided the bank, he looked highly qualified. He had substantial checking, savings and 401(k) holdings and a net worth he describes as “in seven figures.”

The appraisal the bank did on his house showed it to be worth $664,700 — more than double the $322,000 refi he was seeking. His credit score, according to TransUnion, was 826, indicating minimal risk of default.

Yet the bank “told me it could not make the loan because, even though I have sufficient (liquid) assets and a high credit score,” his monthly Social Security payments, bank deposits, checking accounts and 401(k) plan “were not enough.”

How commonplace is Eberle’s experience? Conversations with mortgage lenders and analysts suggest it is happening more frequently, thanks to some large banks ratcheting up their underwriting standards so tightly that the old joke — they’ll only lend to people who don’t really need the money — is beginning to resemble reality for some borrowers.

Eberle says he was willing to pull out funds from his checking and banking deposits and set them aside to make up any perceived monthly income shortfalls. “I was willing to do whatever it took,” he said. But the bank still said no.

Mortgage market experts, such as Dennis Smith, co-owner of Stratis Financial in Huntington Beach, are not surprised at Eberle’s experience. Smith had a recent client — a physician seeking a $350,000 loan with $2.5 million in bank accounts — who was rejected by one lender because the deposits, which were proceeds from an inheritance, had been in his account for just eight months. This was too short a time period to satisfy the bank’s pristine and unyielding standard.

Part of the problem here, according to Smith, appears to be overcorrections by some banks to the lax underwriting that characterized the years leading up to the housing bust — especially see-no-evil practices such as “stated income,” where the loan officer accepted the monthly income number provided by the applicant with no verification. But another factor, says Bruce Calabrese, president and co-founder of Equitable Mortgage in Columbus, Ohio, is that some loan officers aren’t aware of techniques available for qualifying retirees who are asset-rich but income-deficient.

Comment by jinglemale
2012-05-27 07:35:04

I have a 68 y.o. friend who went back to work for 2 years just to qualify for a new home loan. He had lots of assets including gold but only SS for income! Took a two year hit from SS, cause he surpassed the limits.

 
Comment by scdave
2012-05-27 07:37:53

Smith had a recent client — a physician seeking a $350,000 loan with $2.5 million in bank accounts — who was rejected by one lender because the deposits, which were proceeds from an inheritance, had been in his account for just eight months. This was too short a time period to satisfy the bank’s pristine and unyielding standard ??

Nice post Pbear….This is exactly whats happening here…A patiently ridicules underwriting standard…And, even if he did have that money in his account for several years they would still ignore it…

Like a mortgage broker told me recently “It is easier for me to make a loan to a municipal utility clerk and her water meter reader husband than it is a multi-millionaire with complicated tax returns”…

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-05-27 13:32:26

“It is easier for me to make a loan to a municipal utility clerk and her water meter reader husband than it is a multi-millionaire with complicated tax returns”…

Good. If the multi-millionaire is really a multi-millionaire, he can buy his house without a mortgage.

Maybe banks have learned their lesson about supposed multi-millionaires who can’t quit show where their wealth is.

 
 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-05-27 07:44:07

I have a simple answer to your question. The bank already gave you the answer: INSUFFICIENT INCOME. That is true.
This schmuck is looking to get a 325,000 ADJUSTABLE RATE LOAN at the lowest rates seen in anyone’s living memory.
He marginally may qualify at that rate. He is 68. Probably retired. On SS and getting monthly payments. Maybe has investments, all paying nearly nothing, especially if they are in bonds or money markets.
Rates can ONLY go UP. The payments will increase. His income is mostly fixed.
If he is really asset rich, he can liquidate assets to buy stuff. He could sell the house. If he really wanted to reduce his debts, he could sell assets and pay off the house. He could liquidate assets for cash. But he won’t do that when he gets behind in his payments. He will probably default.
Look at recent history. What happens when people’s payments go UP?
They agreed to an adjustable loan, didn’t they?
When it goes up, they whine and claim they can’t afford it.
The risk of default runs high when the payments are just within the income limits and the chances of payment increase are HIGH.
Banks are in the LENDING business, not the foreclosure business. Lending is based on a return stream of money, based on initial loan. Unfortunately, that seems to be overlooked due to recent history.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 08:10:13

“The bank already gave you the answer: INSUFFICIENT INCOME. That is true.”

Why does income matter in the least if the LTV will be in the neighborhood of 50%? If the borrower defaults, the lender can sell the home at any amount in excess of 50% of market value plus transaction fees and make a profit.

Comment by scdave
2012-05-27 08:13:59

Exactly Pbear…A major part of the risk analysis is the LTV…

As far as the mans “Insufficient Income”….I did a calculation…His payments would be roughly $1500. per month…The 2.5 million in cash would allow him to make the payment for 138 years…

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-05-27 08:40:21

So why get a loan if you can afford to pay cash many times over?

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-05-27 09:08:57

MID.

 
Comment by scdave
2012-05-27 09:42:11

So why get a loan if you can afford to pay cash many times over ??

I don’t know…Just going with the information as presented…The point is he could not qualify although being this solvent…Vs…Someone with very little cash but earning just enough to qualify…Which one would you lend to ??

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-05-27 10:20:32

Which one would you lend to ??

Note that if a majority of his funds are in retirement accounts, then they would be impossible to attach in any state. Beyond that, whether his assets matter depends on whether it is a recourse or a non-recourse state.

But the low LTV does seem to make him a very safe bet regardless, unless you think housing will decline more than that.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-05-27 10:21:32

p.s. To summarize, I would be happy to loan to him—just not at the 3% rate that he wants to get. :-)

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2012-05-27 10:48:41

“So why get a loan if you can afford to pay cash many times over?”

There are folks who have sufficient accumulated investment wealth to afford a home many times over, who nonetheless don’t have the cash. These are the people the lenders overlook if they narrowly base qualifications on current income. This includes “low income,” which I guess qualifies you for a low-downpayment FHA loan to buy a home you cannot afford.

One possibility occurred to me since my earlier post: It could be that government intervention to slow or stop foreclosures could underlie lender reluctance to offer low LTV loans to older folks with low current income but sufficient accumulated wealth to pay off a loan. If the lender believes they may not be able to evict a deadbeat owner and sell the collateral, then it would make perfect sense for them to avoid making such loans.

I still find it amazing that owners who stopped making payments are given years of forbearance, while renters who stop payments are kicked to the curb. It seems like discrimination against low-income people, who disproportionately rent compared to high-income people who tend to own homes, but then I am no expert on discrimination law.

 
Comment by scdave
2012-05-27 11:24:10

amazing that owners who stopped making payments are given years of forbearance, while renters who stop payments are kicked to the curb ??

And older solvent gentlemen also….

Neighbor a few blocks away who is a paralegal is on the 27 month with no payment on a $820,000. loan…Just filed BK to try and stretch another 6 months to a year on the free ride…Oh, they have over a $100,000. of credit card debt also with the Range Rover and Ski boat in the driveway to prove it….

 
Comment by oxide
2012-05-27 14:34:47

“Colorado: So why get a loan if you can afford to pay cash many times over?

ahansen: MID.”

Seriously? So he’s going to take out a mortgage to save 25% on interest? Why doesn’t he just buy cash and save 100% on interest? Then again, I heard a story of the teacher who bought a car just for the cash back because he needed money NOW to pay back some debts. Sillies.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-05-27 15:34:58

The answer is cheap leverage.

4% fixed for 30 years under the backdrop of the US running massive deficits and the Fed being willing to print without hesitation.

In other words, the money is pretty much free, and he wants some.

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-05-27 17:42:07

oxy
You missed my sarcasm. This is a doctor, remember?

 
 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-05-27 09:01:32

Already answered that: Banks are in the LENDING business, not the foreclosure business.

Foreclosure is the last resort. You assume it is part of the “business model”. Look around. How many people are sitting in houses that have tenants that aren’t making their payments.
So, yea, they can foreclose and get a whole bunch of money.
WRONG. Wrong. Wrong.
In most states you can RECOVER whatever is owed to you. The rest goes to the homeowner if any is left over. But, you have to make a legal battle to collect your money.
LENDERS are in the business of LENDING. Not collections.
this scenario guarantees foreclosure.
This is a plan for an INDIVIDUAL investor not a BANK. Loans are based on INCOME streams not assets. Assets don’t guarantee payment.
got it?

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Comment by jinglemale
2012-05-27 09:34:02

It is just file fodder. No basis in reality. Once my 68 y.o.friend got his loan…..he quit his job. What, did the bank think he was going to work until he was 98? Stupid underwriting standards to the conservative side are still stupid…..

 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-05-27 09:38:16

The stupid “laws” say the lenders can’t “discriminate” based on age. How stupid a law is that?
Should anyone over 60 be getting a 30 year mortgage?

 
Comment by scdave
2012-05-27 10:04:45

Should anyone over 60 be getting a 30 year mortgage ??

Why not ??…I assume you men they wont live out the 30 year expectancy…You got some secret on how to avoid the grim-reaper at some younger age ??

Besides, there are other more relevant factors when underwriting a loan…Its called collateral and the LTV on it…

 
Comment by SUGuy
2012-05-27 10:22:21

My credit observation from our manufacturing/franchising business.

Finance companies are lending up to 100K with one (1) page application without tax returns. They are lending to companies that have been in business for at least 2 years. The lending companies will lend to credit scores of A, B, C and D. Whatever that means.

On the other hand a husband and wife both teachers with a house they have owned for 11 years near Quogue Long Island could not get a home equity as there were no recent sales in the past 6 month and the only sale was by a home owner who slashed his price dramatically as he had moved out to NC and has a mortgage in NC. The teacher couple is now dipping into their 401K to start the business on the side.

We are also seeing lots of educated professionals who are looking to start a business. The reason usually is that they are not very confident about their current jobs lasting

Just my 2 cents.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-05-27 10:37:56

Ran into a buddy of mine, who is thinking about doing something similar……starting a business, for future income/retirement.

He is telling me that the SBA locally loaning money at very good terms.

 
Comment by scdave
2012-05-27 10:41:25

I agree SUGuy…Not sure if the underwriting has been changed yet but last information I had was you “could not” get a refinance or new residential loan if you already had 4 or more residential loans…What kind of underwriting policy is that…

 
Comment by jinglemale
2012-05-27 10:49:47

The four loan policy is Fannie/Freddie. They are in the primary business of lending to owner occupants….

 
Comment by SUGuy
2012-05-27 11:06:24

He is telling me that the SBA locally loaning money at very good terms.”

In my humble opinion SBA is a tougher agency as they will go after the borrower if they fail to pay. I have seen people liquidate everything to pay SBA. Finance companies on the other hand sell the paper and after that if a person defaults they see no evil nor hear it. I guess it is equivalent of jingle mail without any consequences.

 
Comment by scdave
2012-05-27 11:28:12

The four loan policy is Fannie/Freddie ?

Still does not make any sense…

 
Comment by jinglemale
2012-05-27 12:19:19

The F/F mandate is to promote home ownership…..not landlord/tenant property ownership. It makes good sense to me!

 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-05-27 13:53:52

Jobs may not be secure (were they ever except for relatively brief period of history?) but 9 of 10 businesses fail after one year. Half of the remainder fail over the next five years. And then you still have to pay any money borrowed or owed.

How is that more secure?

The surest bet in this life? Save as much money as you can.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 17:05:16

‘Foreclosure is the last resort. You assume it is part of the “business model”. Look around. How many people are sitting in houses that have tenants that aren’t making their payments.
So, yea, they can foreclose and get a whole bunch of money.
WRONG. Wrong. Wrong.’

If this is the case, there is no reason a lender who doesn’t want to get their hands dirty processing foreclosures couldn’t sell the opportunity to a collection agency that does. In this case, the lender simply needs to require a sufficiently large downpayment to cover the cost of the foreclosure processing services.

 
 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-05-27 13:49:24

What’s the problem?

He needs to look for a cheaper house and/or find a different lender or STFU.

Comment by oxide
2012-05-27 14:43:47

For those not familiar, McLean in in Northern VA a little outside Farifax. Government contractor heaven, hugely high demand for housing. If you want to live there without a job, you better pony up.

This guy should be going Oil City.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 07:20:24

At the same time private lenders appear to be tightening up mortgage underwriting standards, it appears that Uncle Sam is throwing the U.S. taxpayer (aka involuntary mortgage guarantor) under the bus with lax lending standards.

What gives?

Bloomberg News
FHA New Foreclosures Jump as Modified Loans Default
By Kathleen M. Howley on May 09, 2012

The number of Federal Housing Administration-insured home loans entering foreclosure jumped in March after half the mortgages it modified to ease repayment terms were in default again a year or more later.

The FHA’s role in lending to first-time buyers with poor credit and limited cash expanded after the 2008 collapse of the mortgage market put it at the center of government efforts to revive housing. The FHA allows down payments as low as 3.5 percent for borrowers with a credit score of 580, below the 640 defined as subprime by the Federal Reserve.

“The credit standards are way too loose — you can get into a house with very little skin in the game, and if home prices drop by a small amount, you’re underwater,” said David Lykken, managing partner at Mortgage Banking Solutions, an Austin, Texas-based consulting firm. “We’ve got to start getting reasonable about standards. What they’ve done so far, some very slight attempts at tightening, doesn’t really count.”

An increase in FHA foreclosures may lead to further demands for stricter standards that could shut buyers out of the real estate market as it shows signs of stabilizing after a six-year slump. Mark Calabria, director of financial regulation studies at the Cato Institute in Washington, in a February report called for Congress to tighten the agency’s lending qualifications to protect taxpayers, who insure the loans. First-time homebuyers accounted for 33 percent of real estate sales in March, according to the National Association of Realtors.
Treasury Study

Borrowers with mortgages for homes bought in 2010, the FHA’s peak lending year, now owe almost 7 percent more than their homes are worth if they used the minimum down payment, according to S&P/Case-Shiller home price index data. That year, the agency insured 1.1 million loans to purchase single-family homes, more than four times the total of 261,165 in 2007.

Lenders initiated foreclosures on 36,400 FHA-backed mortgages, twice the number in April 2011, according to Lender Processing Services. The increase for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac loans was 13 percent, the Jacksonville, Florida-based mortgage- data company said.

A Treasury Department study of modified government- guaranteed mortgages in the fourth quarter found that 49 percent were delinquent again after 12 months. The Treasury report analyzed a group of loans that was 80 percent FHA, 15 percent Veterans Administration mortgages and 5 percent Department of Agriculture rural home loans. The rate for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac was 27 percent.

Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-05-27 16:48:25

“The FHA allows down payments as low as 3.5 percent for borrowers with a credit score of 580, below the 640 defined as subprime by the Federal Reserve.”

Social Justice and Pandering. Welcome to the new America.

“The credit standards are way too loose — you can get into a house with very little skin in the game, and if home prices drop by a small amount, you’re underwater,” said David Lykken, managing partner at Mortgage Banking Solutions, an Austin, Texas-based consulting firm. “We’ve got to start getting reasonable about standards. What they’ve done so far, some very slight attempts at tightening, doesn’t really count.”

Don’t waste your breath David, nobody is listening…I mean nobody with the power to create the reasonable standards you speak of.

 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-05-27 17:46:51

Who continues to make money off the FHA model? NAR is a big one.

Taxes should only be going for public goods, not FIRE sector profits.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 07:23:40

At the same time private lenders are tightening mortgage underwriting standards, it appears that Uncle Sam is throwing the U.S. taxpayer (aka unwitting, involuntary mortgage guarantor) under the bus with lax lending standards.

What gives?

Bloomberg News
FHA New Foreclosures Jump as Modified Loans Default
By Kathleen M. Howley on May 09, 2012

The number of Federal Housing Administration-insured home loans entering foreclosure jumped in March after half the mortgages it modified to ease repayment terms were in default again a year or more later.

The FHA’s role in lending to first-time buyers with poor credit and limited cash expanded after the 2008 collapse of the mortgage market put it at the center of government efforts to revive housing. The FHA allows down payments as low as 3.5 percent for borrowers with a credit score of 580, below the 640 defined as subprime by the Federal Reserve.

“The credit standards are way too loose — you can get into a house with very little skin in the game, and if home prices drop by a small amount, you’re underwater,” said David Lykken, managing partner at Mortgage Banking Solutions, an Austin, Texas-based consulting firm. “We’ve got to start getting reasonable about standards. What they’ve done so far, some very slight attempts at tightening, doesn’t really count.”

An increase in FHA foreclosures may lead to further demands for stricter standards that could shut buyers out of the real estate market as it shows signs of stabilizing after a six-year slump. Mark Calabria, director of financial regulation studies at the Cato Institute in Washington, in a February report called for Congress to tighten the agency’s lending qualifications to protect taxpayers, who insure the loans. First-time homebuyers accounted for 33 percent of real estate sales in March, according to the National Association of Realtors.

Treasury Study

Borrowers with mortgages for homes bought in 2010, the FHA’s peak lending year, now owe almost 7 percent more than their homes are worth if they used the minimum down payment, according to S&P/Case-Shiller home price index data. That year, the agency insured 1.1 million loans to purchase single-family homes, more than four times the total of 261,165 in 2007.

Lenders initiated foreclosures on 36,400 FHA-backed mortgages, twice the number in April 2011, according to Lender Processing Services. The increase for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac loans was 13 percent, the Jacksonville, Florida-based mortgage- data company said.

A Treasury Department study of modified government- guaranteed mortgages in the fourth quarter found that 49 percent were delinquent again after 12 months. The Treasury report analyzed a group of loans that was 80 percent FHA, 15 percent Veterans Administration mortgages and 5 percent Department of Agriculture rural home loans. The rate for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac was 27 percent.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 07:29:41

Are two candidates who properly know how to say “You’re fired” better than one?

Why Is Mitt Romney Embracing Birther Donald Trump?
May 25, 2012
Donald Trump and Mitt Romney

So Mitt Romney’s newest fundraising effort involves not only appearing with the world’s most famous birther, Donald Trump, but also dining with him and a lucky, raffle-winning supporter. OK, I give up: What exactly is Romney thinking?

My own snarky first reaction is that Donald Trump is the kind of rich guy that Mitt Romney imagines the common people can relate to. Romney, remember, has a habit of saying things like he doesn’t follow NASCAR “as closely as some of the most ardent fans, but I have some friends who are NASCAR team owners.” Maybe he thinks Trump—known far and wide for a decorating style that gives new meaning to the word vulgar—has the common touch in a way that stolid Romney doesn’t? That can’t be it, right?

Thinking I must be missing something here, I checked with a couple of top GOP operatives. “I got nothin’,” one says. Another offers the Godfather theory for dealing with Trump: “Yes, it reinforces the ‘I have wealthy friends’ stereotype,” the Republican strategist says. “And whenever Trump says something stupid it’s magnified 10-fold, so there are serious downsides to it. But in the end you would rather embrace it—like the Godfather line about keeping your enemies close.” It’s better to have Trump running amok inside the tent than causing trouble outside of it, in other words. Trump, remember, has floated the idea of a third-party candidacy, which could only serve to divide the anti-Obama vote (a December Public Policy Polling survey had Trump pulling 19 percent in a three-way race with Obama and Romney, with 7 in 10 of his supporters coming from Romney’s column). “We’d rather have Donald Trump saying ‘you’re hired’ than ‘you’re fired,” the strategist says.

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-05-27 07:56:52

OK, I give up: What exactly is Romney thinking?

He’s having a FUNDRAISER. And apparently he made some money.
And this is NEWS?
No. It’s not even a story worth reading. This same rag has no problems with the countless unsavory characters of Obama’s current and past lives.
The largest recipient of government money via TARP was Warren Buffet. He is an ardent Obama supporter. No problem there.

Comment by scdave
2012-05-27 08:19:10

How can you even think of mentioning Trump & Buffett in the same sentence…My goodness…

Trump is a egotistical sham-man with a silver spoon shoved so high up his butt he can’t even think…

Buffett, on the other hand….

Comment by Professor Bear
2012-05-27 11:03:14

Give Buffett some cred. So far as I am aware, he has been a shrewd and highly-successful investor throughout his career. Trump, on the other hand, has often been the guy who was so deeply in hock that the bank only worked with him because he was too-big-to-fail.

Sorry, but I disdain deadbeat borrowers who go hat-in-hand for too-big-to-fail welfare payments, and that goes for the Wall Street Megabanks who pander for too-big-to-fail bailout welfare checks, too.

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Comment by SV guy
2012-05-27 11:09:50

I’m not fallin’ for the ukulele act dave.

Agreed that Trump is just a stooge.

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Comment by scdave
2012-05-27 11:34:13

I’m not fallin’ for the ukulele act dave ??

Lets see….Lives in the same house that he purchased 40 years ago…Buys his cloths at Sears…Sounds like a ukelele player to me…

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 12:04:36

Nobody put a gun to Mitt’s head and forced him to snuggle up next to The Donald.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 11:31:41

May 27, 2012 12:21 PM

Gibbs: Bain is Romney’s “thesis” for president, calls attacks fair
By Leigh Ann Caldwell

(CBS News) On “Face the Nation,” President Obama’s senior campaign adviser Robert Gibbs defended the campaign’s attacks on Bain Capital, the private equity firm Mitt Romney co-founded and led for more than a decade.

“That is what Mitt Romney is running on,” Gibbs hold host Bob Schieffer. “This is a criticism and a good criticism, quite honestly, of Mitt Romney’s only thesis for being president of the United States . . . and I think the American people and voters deserve to understand what Mitt Romney means when he says he has the keys to being the economic savior.”

The Obama campaign makes the argument that Romney’s role at the private equity firm, whose main role is to make money for investors, is not equivalent to creating jobs. To drive home the point, the campaign released two ads in the past two weeks hitting Romney’s record at Bain, pointing to two companies - Ampad and GST Steel - that laid-off workers after Bain Capital acquired them.

Host Bob Schieffer queried Gibbs about the tenor of the campaign: “Whatever happened to hope and change?” he asked.

“Bob, there is going to be a choice in this election,” Gibbs responded, saying that people will have a “visceral reaction” to Romney’s Bain record.

Gibbs added that the Obama campaign is “certainly happy to talk a little bit about Mitt Romney and his record of not creating jobs in virtually every step of his life.”

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-05-27 13:53:12

t’s better to have Trump running amok inside the tent than causing trouble outside of it, in other words

LBJ said it better. Asked why he was keeping the much-loathed J Edgar Hoover on as head of the FBI, LBJ said ‘I’d rather have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in’.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 18:07:09

Is Trump more of a ‘piss in’ or a ‘piss out’ kind of guy?

Comment by Carl Morris
2012-05-27 18:33:07

I’m thinking “on”.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 21:56:28

Yeah.

And he’s also a bloviating ignoramus; never thought I would totally agree with George Will, but there it is. Moreover, if he ever landed in the WH, his demented real estate development schemes could further lead America down the path of economic ruin.

Let’s not go there, America!

‘Bloviating ignoramus’ Donald Trump blasts back at ‘dumb’ George Will
Last Updated: 12:17 AM, May 28, 2012
Posted: 12:16 AM, May 28, 2012

Donald Trump (left) and George Will are exchanging attacks.

WASHINGTON — Donald Trump got stuck into a war of words with conservative columnist George Will on Sunday, blasting the “dumb” commentator who had earlier branded him a “bloviating ignoramus.”

Will launched the opening salvo at Trump, for questioning President Barack Obama’s birthplace days before the real estate mogul is scheduled to help Mitt Romney woo campaign donors.

“I do not understand the cost-benefit here,” Will said on ABC’s “This Week” when asked about Romney’s upcoming fundraising appearance with Trump.

The cost of appearing with this bloviating ignoramus is obvious, it seems to me,” Will added. “Donald Trump is redundant evidence that if your net worth is high enough, your IQ can be very low, and you can still intrude into American politics. But again, I don’t understand the benefit. What is Romney seeking?

Trump hit back later Sunday, tweeting, “George Will may be the dumbest (and most overrated) political commentator of all time. If the Republicans listen to him, they will lose.”

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-05-27 18:34:40

Depends on whether he’s inside or outside the tent.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 07:38:52

I hate to break it to fellow Americans who got so wrapped up in the Junior Seau story that they lost track of the financial news, but there are still a lot more shoes to drop from the European debt crisis onto your stock portfolios.

I note that at this point, the DJIA has almost erased all 2012 gains to date. There has never been a better time to own Treasurys!

Stock Market Lookahead
Europe debt crisis and jobs numbers to drive stocks
By Hibah Yousuf @CNNMoney
Invest May 27, 2012: 7:40 AM ET

The Dow is down almost 6% in May and headed for its worst monthly loss since November 2011. Click the chart for more stock market data.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) — Memorial Day may mark the unofficial start to summer, but investors won’t be getting any rest and relaxation during the coming week.

Following a three-day weekend (U.S. markets are closed Monday for Memorial Day), uncertainty will continue to swirl over Europe, with the threat of Greece leaving the eurozone still looming.

Worries over Greece’s future and the broader region’s debt problems have already triggered deep losses in U.S. stocks and international markets this month. The S&P 500 (SPX) and Dow (INDU) are down almost 6% in May, and headed for their worst monthly losses since November 2011. In fact, the Dow has only been up four days so far this month. The only other time the Dow had a month with just four advancing days was September 1903.

Meanwhile, the Nasdaq (COMP) has tumbled almost 7% and is on track for its worst monthly performance in two years.

U.S. markets will continue to be driven by the situation in Europe, especially in the weeks leading up to Greece’s June 17 elections, said Tom Schrader, managing director at Stifel Nicolaus. Until that date, investors will keep close tabs on polling results and comments from European leaders.

If Greece ends up with a coalition government led by the leftist Syriza party, which is currently leading the polls, chances are good that Greece will be forced to exit the eurozone.

Syriza party leader Alexis Tsipras has denounced the country’s austerity measures that are a condition of Greece’s bailout deal. While EU leaders say they want Greece to remain in the eurozone, they also stress that the nation must abide by the terms of its bailout agreement.
Spanish banking woes threaten Europe

The growing risk of a Greek exit also raises concerns about the ramifications for Italy and Spain, said Schrader. Spanish banks are already in the spotlight, with Spain’s fourth-largest bank, Bankia, asking the nation’s central bank for €19 billion to recapitalize itself.

Later in the week, focus will shift to the U.S. economy, as investors parse through a deluge of economic data, including four different readings on the job market, as well as a reading on manufacturing activity and auto sales figures.

The most important number will come in the Labor Department’s May jobs report before the opening bell on Friday.

Economists are forecasting that 155,000 jobs were added in May. While that would be an improvement over the measly 115,000 jobs added in April and the 154,000 in March, the pace is still weak compared to job gains in the previous three months, each of which exceeded 200,000. The unemployment rate is expected to hold steady at 8.1%.

“If the jobs number doesn’t come in above expectations, that will raise some red flags,” said Schrader. A lack of more robust jobs growth could push the country into a somewhat mild recession, he added.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 07:47:44

Here is a boldly cautious prediction:

El-Erian Says Greek Euro Exit Probably Inevitable
By Catarina Saraiva and Tom Keene - May 21, 2012 7:32 AM PT

Greece may have to exit the 17-nation euro and the monetary union should plan for it to ensure stability, according to Pacific Investment Management Co.’s Mohamed El-Erian.

“A Greek exit will be expensive and messy, but it’s probably inevitable and therefore we should plan for it,” El- Erian, the chief executive officer of the world’s largest manager of bond funds, said in an interview on Bloomberg Radio’s “Bloomberg Surveillance” with Tom Keene and Ken Prewitt.

Group of Eight leaders on May 19 urged Greece to stay within the euro area as polls in the country showed a close race between parties supporting and opposing the European Union’s bailout deal. The country is preparing for June 17 elections, following an inconclusive May 6 ballot.

The economies of the union are being gripped by political confusion as policy makers fail to develop solutions to address Greece’s worsening financial crisis, El-Erian said. Investors pricing in both a “policy risk premium” and a “complexity risk premium” is adding to volatility in markets.

The euro has lost 3.7 percent against the U.S. dollar this month and almost $4 trillion has been wiped from equity markets amid concern the turmoil in Greece may weigh on other members of the economic union.

European Leadership

Germany, France, Italy and Spain, the union’s four biggest economies, need to take the lead in solving the crisis by creating a smaller currency union that is “less imperfect,” said El-Erian, a former deputy director of International Monetary Fund.

“For Greece there is no first best,” El-Erian said. “They’re looking at a series of fifth and sixth bests. They have to focus on which step allows them medium-term viability.”

Comment by measton
2012-05-27 11:34:20

I think the thing to do is to wait until Greece is just about to leave and then buy up a pile of Italian debt. You can bet that Germany will want to put a backstop up to keep the Euro from falling apart. They may allow Greece to leave to make an example and then flood the other countries with money to keep them from leaving the Euro as well.

Not sure how you buy Italian debt though. My guess is rates will rise rapidly leading up to Greeces default and then will fall afterwards due to the printing and distribution of Euro’s.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 17:11:44

Will staring into the abyss of separation from the Eurozone motivate the Greeks to form a pro-bailout government? This article suggests it might. I guess we will know for sure in three weeks (Greek election on June 17). Until then, try not to catch yourself a falling knife shorting the Euro.

Bloomberg News
Euro Rises as Greek Pro-Bailout Party Leads Polls
By Masaki Kondo and Monami Yui on May 27, 2012

The euro rose for the first time in five days after Greek opinion polls showed voters warming to parties supporting the European Union’s bailout, easing concern the country will exit the currency bloc.

The 17-nation currency rebounded from the lowest since July 2010 after data showed trader bets on a decline in the euro reached a record high. The dollar and yen weakened versus most of their 16 major counterparts on decreased demand for the currencies as a haven from Europe’s debt crisis.

“The market’s main focus remains on whether Greece has to leave the euro,” said Junichi Ishikawa, an analyst in Tokyo at IG Markets Securities Ltd. “Any sign that anti-austerity parties are running out of steam could trigger some unwinding of euro shorts.” A short is a bet that an asset’s price will fall.

The euro climbed 0.5 percent to $1.2574 as of 7:39 a.m. in Tokyo from the close in New York on May 25, when it touched $1.2496, the least since July 6, 2010. It added 0.3 percent to 100.08 yen. The dollar fell 0.1 percent to 79.59 yen.

Hedge funds and other large speculators increased wagers the euro will decline versus the dollar to 195,361 in the period ended May 22, the most on record going back to 1999, according to the Washington-based Commodity Futures Trading Commission.

New Democracy, which supports the plan negotiated with international lenders, placed first in all six opinion polls published on May 26 as campaigning continued for next month’s general election. The party led by a margin of as much as 5.7 percentage points over Syriza, the main party opposed to implementing the terms of financial aid packages, according to a poll by Kapa Research SA for To Vima newspaper.

The euro has declined 4.6 percent in the past six months, the biggest loser among the 10 developed-market currencies tracked by Bloomberg Correlation-Weighted Indexes. The dollar has climbed 1.8 percent, while the yen lost 0.5 percent.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 17:22:56

Euro Crisis
What a Return to the Drachma Really Looks Like
By Peter Coy, Nick Malkoutzis, Carol Matlack, and Gabi Thesing on May 24, 2012

From a distance, returning to the drachma seems like a great solution for Greece. Economists such as New York University’s Nouriel Roubini say that by quitting the euro, Greece would seize control of its fate. It could pay off its euro debts with less valuable drachmas—stiffing creditors. Having a cheap currency would make Greece’s goods and services more affordable, drachma advocates say, shrinking a current-account deficit that’s about 9 percent of the entire economy. It actually poses a huge risk.

There’s no question that quitting the euro would be an easy way for Greece to shrink its unsupportable debt. Yet if Greece does leave or is kicked out of the single currency, it will most probably suffer inflation, layoffs, capital flight, shortages of essential commodities, and civil unrest, judging from what happened in Argentina when that country quit its dollar peg a decade ago. “Leaving is difficult and messy, so anyone who thinks it’s easy is just wrong,” says Lorenzo Bini Smaghi, a University of Chicago-trained economist who left the European Central Bank’s executive board last year.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 07:55:27

I’m trying to get my brain around this snippet from the following two-day-old story:

A German index based on a survey of purchasing managers in the manufacturing industry declined to 45 this month from 46.2 in April, Markit Economics said May 24.

In addition to all the other shoes dropping in the Eurozone, this seems to suggest that Germany is headed into a manufacturing recession. Or did I misunderstand the point?

It’s beginning to feel like Fall 2008 all over again.

Euro Declines Most in 2012 on Deepening Turmoil in Spain
By Allison Bennett - May 25, 2012 9:00 PM PT

The euro had its biggest weekly loss since December against the dollar as Greece’s anti-bailout party gained in the polls and amid a deepening crisis in Spain.

The shared currency fell for a fifth week versus the yen, the longest stretch since October, as German manufacturing shrank and the Bank of Japan refrained from adding stimulus to the economy. Brazil’s real was the only winner against the dollar as the central bank sold currency-swap contracts. The dollars of Australia and New Zealand declined as reports showed the Chinese economy is stalling. A report June 1 is forecast to show U.S. employers added more jobs in May than the prior month.

“Uncertainty is high, growth is poor and a Greek exit is a wild card,” said Aroop Chatterjee, a currency strategist at Barclays Plc’s Barclays Capital unit in New York. “It’s unlikely that the euro finds a bottom for a while even in a good state of the world.”

The euro declined 2.1 percent on the week to $1.2517, touching $1.2496, the weakest since July 2010. The 17-nation currency declined 1.2 percent to 99.75, falling below 100 for the first time since February. The Japanese currency fell 0.8 percent to 79.68 per dollar.

Hedge funds and other large speculators increased wagers the euro will decline versus the dollar to a record high for a second consecutive week. So-called net shorts increased for a third week, totaling 195,361 in the period ended May 22 compares to 173,869 for the week before, according to the Commodity Futures Trading Commission.
Euro Crisis

“Risk appetite itself has traced its undulation to the movements in the euro,” Ravi Bharadwaj, a market analyst in Washington at Western Union Co. (WU)’s Western Union Business Solutions unit, said May 23.

European leaders announced no new measures to stem the bloc’s crisis at a summit in Brussels this week. The gathering took place as Greece prepares to hold new elections on June 17 after an anti-bailout party surged to second place in balloting on May 6. A poll on May 24 had the Syriza party with 27.2 percent support, boosting speculation that the country may exit the currency bloc.

The euro weakened 1.2 percent against nine developed-nation currencies tracked by Bloomberg Correlation-Weighted Indexes, the worst performance along with the Swiss franc. The dollar gained 1.1 percent and the yen rose 0.2 percent.

The shared currency fell below $1.25 for the first time in 22 months after the president of Catalonia, one of 17 semi- autonomous regions in Spain, repeated his call for Spanish central government to help regions access funding, Standard & Poor’s cut the credit ratings of five Spanish banks and the Bankia group said it needed 19 billion euros ($23.8 billion) of government money.

‘Unwelcome Development’

A German index based on a survey of purchasing managers in the manufacturing industry declined to 45 this month from 46.2 in April, Markit Economics said May 24.

“It’s unwelcome development with German manufacturing, because typically that’s where you go looking for a silver lining in the euro,” Andrew Wilkinson, chief economic strategist at Miller Tabak & Co. in New York, said May 24. “The second quarter had delivered a shock to growth expectations globally.”

Comment by measton
2012-05-27 11:36:07

Wouldn’t Germany love to see the Euro fall in value thus making imports more expensive and exports more competitive. In the global free market you want a bunch of poor laborers that don’t consume and a rich neighbor to sell your products to.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-05-27 14:01:29

Mfg news from ALL our slave labor countries, er, corporate colonies, all report that exports are down.

The world has gone into either another recession or a serious slump.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2012-05-27 08:18:08

There is an English word to describe “Recession, Recession, Everywhere,” and it isn’t “decoupling”; it’s “depression.”

May 24, 2012, 6:57 a.m. ET

MONEY TALKS
Recession, Recession, Everywhere
By Alen Mattich

Five years of relentless infusions of monetary policy into the global economy, not to mention enormous doses of fiscal stimulus, and it looks like the global economy is once again sliding into recession.

And that’s even though most major economies didn’t show anything more than a lackluster recovery from the financial-crisis inspired downturn.

That a significant slowdown is happening most everywhere is evident in the latest batch of purchasing managers’ data. Indications are that the euro zone is slipping into deeper recession, with Germany also teetering on the cusp of contraction. Revisions to the U.K.’s most recent GDP numbers show that it has been suffering a deeper contraction than first thought. A handful of bearish U.S. analysts figure that economy is already heading into recession, though that’s far from a consensus call. And this time the slowdown has spread to the emerging markets too. China, India and Brazil are all stumbling.

What went wrong?

There are a handful of candidates.

Keynesians point to insufficient monetary expansion by central banks facing the zero lower bound. If only they could boost inflation expectations further, self-sustaining growth would take off. They also criticize a lack of fiscal policy, and, more recently, austerity.

It’s not clear how much merit these arguments have. Yes, Greece, Spain, Portugal and Ireland have been hit hard by austerity as their governments desperately seek to take control of their finances. And recession in the euro-zone periphery is filtering elsewhere, including Germany.

Comment by combotechie
2012-05-27 08:49:53

“What went wrong?”

The boom went wrong. There never should have been a boom, but nevertheless there was one.

And so what is it that follows a boom?

And here we are.

Comment by BetterRenter
2012-05-27 10:49:54

Well, there could be a boom, but it wasn’t based on real or sustainable economic growth. It was a pure credit boom. You could say it was a planned boom.

Busts that follow material booms are a lot better than the bust we’re still working on now.

 
 
Comment by BetterRenter
2012-05-27 10:48:04

Doh! Can’t use the D-word yet, until it’s in the rear-view mirror. Get with the program. The propaganda program.

Comment by Professor Bear
2012-05-27 11:13:02

Sorry — I guess I am kind of politically tone deaf…

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-05-27 14:04:08

What went wrong?

A 75% consumer driven economy can’t support itself when more than half of your population can’t “consume”.

But what do we know?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2012-05-27 08:25:11

Although the Baltic Dry Index is up considerably from its low level of earlier this year, it looks pretty sickly in the five-year view. It appears to have peaked at 11,459 on 5/16/08. The current level remains off peak by
(1,034/11,459-1)*100% = -91%.

BALTIC DRY INDEX
BDIY:IND
1,034.00 USD 24.00 2.27%

As of 05/25/2012 ET on 05/25/2012.

Comment by Professor Bear
2012-05-27 11:23:38

The post I made earlier omitted the big red down arrow that shows up next to 24.0 2.27%; the figures are also shown in red.

I believe this means the BDI dropped by 2.27% on Friday, but I am not entirely sure about this interpretation…

 
 
Comment by skroodle
2012-05-27 10:50:20

Florida swindlers’ $77 million cow pasture

Just before fleeing the country, Victor and Natalia Wolf launched a national project that wiped out investors of millions — leaving nothing but cattle and sage brush behind

During a lavish party for hundreds of guests, North Miami Beach developers Victor and Natalia Wolf unveiled their most ambitious project: a new city in the heart of Texas.

There, the couple envisioned a futuristic community known as Sky Station, featuring thousands of homes, luxury stores, hotels and office towers.

“A poster child for development,” said one investor.

Now, with the Wolfs already indicted in a land scandal in Florida, federal agents are investigating the spectacular collapse of a Texas project — one of the largest of its kind, wiping out dozens of investors with millions of dollars still missing.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/26/v-fullstory/2819509/florida-swindlers-77-million-cow.html#storylink=cpy

Comment by ecofeco
2012-05-27 14:07:21

The old saying “Fools and their money…” always begs the question: How did those fools get that money to begin with?

I love the irony of rich people being afraid of the hoi poli when it’s their own peers who are the most danger to them. :lol:

 
Comment by Montana
2012-05-27 14:20:06

There should have been homes. What do you see? A broken-down barn and a head of cattle.”

lol

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 11:44:07

You have to love a story that keeps on giving such an ongoing, unlimited dose of Schadenfreude.

Apparently, a harpoon fisherman can be a whale’s worst enemy!

The Hunch, the Pounce and the Kill
How Boaz Weinstein and Hedge Funds Outsmarted JPMorgan

JPMorgan lost billions on a trade that was called a “terrible, egregious mistake” by Jamie Dimon, the C.E.O.
By AZAM AHMED
Published: May 26, 2012

BOAZ WEINSTEIN didn’t know it, but he had just hooked the London Whale.

It was last November, and Mr. Weinstein, a wunderkind of the New York hedge fund world, had spied something strange across the Atlantic. In an obscure corner of the financial markets, prices seemed out of whack. It didn’t make sense.

Mr. Weinstein pounced.

As the financial world now knows, what was out of whack was JPMorgan Chase & Company. One its traders, Bruno Iksil, the man later nicknamed the London Whale for his outsize trades, was about to blow a multibillion-dollar hole in the mighty House of Morgan.

But the resulting uproar, in Washington and on Wall Street, has largely obscured a simple truth of the marketplace. Yes, Morgan lost big — but, as Mitt Romney has pointed out, someone else won. And that someone or, rather, those someones, turn out to be Boaz Weinstein and a wolf pack of like-minded hedge fund managers.

In the London Whale, these traders saw a rich opportunity, and they seized it with both hands. That, after all, is the way hedge funds roll. His cool calculus has made Mr. Weinstein a very rich man: he is in talks to buy the Fifth Avenue co-op of a reclusive heiress, Huguette Clark, for $24 million.

It might seem remarkable that someone like Mr. Weinstein, a man virtually unknown outside of financial circles, could deal such a stinging blow to one of the world’s largest, most respected banks. Jamie Dimon, the chairman and chief executive of JPMorgan and a face of the banking establishment, is struggling to contain the damage from what he has called a “terrible, egregious mistake.” The loss — JPMorgan put it at $2 billion, but it may turn out to be $3 billion or more — has renewed calls for stronger financial regulation.

Given the secretive nature of the business, few on Wall Street, including Mr. Weinstein, were willing to speak publicly about how the hedge funds harpooned the London Whale. But interviews with more than a dozen hedge fund managers, investors and traders pull back the curtain on the ways of this band of traders, and on what really happened.

Comment by SV guy
2012-05-27 17:56:14

Huguette Clark was the daughter of Senator William Clark of Montana. Her father was one of the three copper kings of Butte in its heyday and a fantastically wealthy man for his day.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 18:00:56

Isn’t it pretty much of an open secret that Dimon is in bed with both Obama and Romney? The dude is too connected to regulate.

Bank Regulators Under Scrutiny in JPMorgan Loss
By JESSICA SILVER-GREENBERG and BEN PROTESS
Published: May 25, 2012

Scores of federal regulators are stationed inside JPMorgan Chase’s Manhattan headquarters, but none of them were assigned to the powerful unit that recently disclosed a multibillion trading loss.

Roughly 40 examiners from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and 70 staff members from the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency are embedded in the nation’s largest bank. They are typically assigned to the departments undertaking the greatest risks, like the structured products trading desk. Even as the chief investment office swelled in size and made increasingly large bets, regulators did not put any examiners in the unit’s offices in London or New York, according to current and former regulators who spoke only on condition of anonymity.

Senior JPMorgan executives assured the bank’s watchdogs after the financial crisis that the chief investment office, with hundreds of billions in investments, was not taking risks that would be a cause for concern, people briefed on the matter said. Just weeks before the trading losses became public, bank officials also dismissed the worry of a senior New York Fed examiner about the mounting size of the bets, according to current Fed officials.

The lapses have raised questions about who, if anyone, was policing the chief investment office and whether regulators were sufficiently independent. Instead of putting the JPMorgan unit under regular watch, the comptroller’s office and the Fed chose to examine it periodically.

The bank pushback also suggests that JPMorgan had sway over its regulators, an influence that several said was enhanced by the bank’s charismatic chief executive, Jamie Dimon, long considered Washington’s favorite banker.

Now, as regulators scramble to determine whether the chief investment office took inappropriate risks, some former Fed officials are asking whether the investigation should be spearheaded by the New York Fed, where Mr. Dimon has a seat on the board. Some lawmakers and former regulators also have reservations about the comptroller’s office, which is investigating the trade and was the primary regulator for JPMorgan’s chief investment unit.

“The central question is why Jamie Dimon was able to so successfully convince both its regulators that there was nothing to see at the chief investment office,” said Mark Williams, a professor of finance at Boston University, who also served as a Federal Reserve Bank examiner in Boston and San Francisco. “To me, it suggests that he is too close to his regulators.”

Regulators, for their part, say they cannot micromanage a bank or outlaw its risk taking and did not bow to bank pressure when assigning examiners. William C. Dudley, president of the New York Fed, has said that JPMorgan’s losses did not pose a threat to the bank’s viability. In a statement on Friday, the comptroller of the currency, Thomas J. Curry, said, “I am committed to ensuring this agency provides strong supervision for all of the institutions we oversee.”

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 18:49:53

Obama can’t knock the hustle
By ROBERT SCHEER
Monday, May 21, 2012

How did we end up with such smart scoundrels? Even after it was known that Jamie Dimon’s bank blew more than $2 billion on the same suspect derivatives trading that has bankrupted the world’s economy, Barack Obama still had praise for the intellect of his political backer and the integrity of the bank he heads: “JPMorgan is one of the best-managed banks there is,” the president told the hosts of ABC’s “The View” in an interview televised Tuesday, adding, “Jamie Dimon, the head of it, is one of the smartest bankers we got. And they still lost $2 billion and counting.”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 18:54:24

Friday, May 11, 2012 11:00 AM PDT
Romney’s Jamie Dimon problem
JPMorgan’s $2 billion blunder makes Mitt’s pledge to repeal Obama’s bank reform look dumb
By Andrew Leonard

Here is the most important sentence in Jamie Dimon’s Thursday afternoon conference call discussing JPMorgan’s colossal trading screw-up: “Just because we’re stupid doesn’t mean everybody else was.”

If you’re looking for the most easy-to-understand breakdown of how JPMorgan managed to lose $2 billion, read Marketplace reporter Heidi Moore’s fabulous explainer. Readers who fancy themselves financially sophisticated can ponder DealBreaker’s Matt Levine’s analysis. If all you want is a guide to the critics “flaying” Dimon’s hide, check out the New York Times’ DealBook.

But for our purposes right now, all you need to concern yourselves with is Dimon’s monumentally disingenuous self-castigation. Because Dimon is not stupid. Under his tenure, JPMorgan has been the best-run of the big banks. So Dimon’s self-criticism gets it all backward. The fact that JPMorgan was so very stupid is so very scary because we can rest assured that just about everybody else is doing things even more idiotic.

The whole point of the infamous “Volcker Rule” included in the Dodd-Frank bank reform act is to restrict the banking sector’s ability to clobber the economy by doing dumb things. As the Huffington Post’s Mark Gongloff noted, if a strict version of the Volcker rule had been in place, JPMorgan, quite possibly, would have been prevented from making a bet that would lose the bank $2 billion — or more.

However, the Volcker Rule is not yet in effect. The final details are still being hammered out, and the brutal truth is that financial sector lobbyists have almost undoubtedly ensured that the kind of “hedging” bet JPMorgan just made would be technically legal under the new rules. There’s a remote possibility that the blowback from Morgan’s disaster might strengthen the final version of the rule, but don’t hold your breath. The worst financial crisis in 80 years resulted in bank reform that at best can be categorized as tepid and perhaps fatally compromised. One bad stumble by JPMorgan that, lucky for us, doesn’t seem likely to ignite a system-wide crash isn’t going to make a dent in Washington regulatory policy.

On the other hand, there could well be real political repercussions. Because if anyone is going to come out of this mess looking even stupider than Jamie Dimon, it’s got to be Mitt Romney — the presidential candidate actively campaigning on a pledge to repeal Dodd-Frank.

Barack Obama has been rightly dinged from the left for his soft approach to Wall Street, but there’s a reason why Big Capital is shunning him and pouring money into Romney’s campaign. Romney’s answer to the financial meltdown is to do absolutely nothing; to abandon even any pretense of reining in Wall Street bad behavior, to return us to the pre-crash regulatory status quo.

That’s suicidal. The U.S. economy may well skip over JPMorgan’s folly without any serious long-term damage. But that’s not the point. What we learned from the financial crisis is that the real danger inherent in Wall Street’s endless orgy of speculative trading is the prospect that multiple bets could go bad simultaneously when there is a big external shock to the system — like the housing bust. That’s when a downturn becomes a crash.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 18:19:47

JPMorgan blame game continues…

May 26, 2012, 3:40 p.m. EDT
J.P. Morgan ousts prime brokerage head
By Sam Mamudi, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. has replaced the global head of its prime brokerage business, according to reports Saturday.

The Wall Street Journal, citing people familiar with the matter, said New York-based Lou Lebedin was replaced by Teresa Heitsenrether, London-based co-chief of the bank’s fixed-income prime brokerage unit.

Lebedin had been name sole head of prime brokerage in March, added the paper. He had been co-head since 2008, when he joined J.P. Morgan after the bank bought his former firm Bear Stearns Co. where he had also run prime brokerage.

The Journal noted that Lebedin had helped J.P. Morgan expand its prime brokerage business outside the U.S. The bank launched a prime brokerage offering in Europe, the Middle East and Africa in the summer, and at the time he was named sole head, Lebedin said he would focus on growing the overseas business.

Prime brokerage units provide financing and back-office services to hedge funds.

The Journal added that as of Saturday, Lebedin was believed to still be with J.P. Morgan, but no further information was available.

The bank’s prime brokerage unit had seen changes recently. As well as Lebedin’s appointment as sole head, Sandie O’Connor, who previously oversaw the unit, was promoted to treasurer. In the wake of her move, prime brokerage reports to John Horner, head of equity and fixed-income financing, said the Journal.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 11:50:57

Anyone who is dumb enough to buy a stock with the ticker symbol of “FB” deserves to ‘loose’ his shirt.

Loosers!

The Associated Press May 24, 2012, 12:13AM ET
Facebook, JPMorgan gaffs erode faith in Wall St.
By CHRISTINA REXRODE and PALLAVI GOGOI
NEW YORK

Wall Street appears bent on convincing Main Street that the game is rigged.

Investor anger is mounting over the initial public offering of Facebook stock last week, which was fumbled by the banks that managed the deal and complicated by technical problems at the Nasdaq stock exchange.

Shareholders filed at least two lawsuits against Facebook and Morgan Stanley, the bank that shepherded the IPO, over reports that it withheld negative analyst reports about Facebook from some clients before the company went public.

It was the second stumble this month by a major Wall Street firm. JPMorgan Chase, usually revered for taming risk, has yet to contain a growing $2 billion loss in one of its trading units.

The missteps are further eroding the confidence of small-scale investors, or what was left of it after the financial meltdown of 2008.

Judson Gee, a financial adviser in Charlotte, N.C., placed a call Wednesday morning to a client who had plowed $50,000 into Facebook stock on Friday, the day of the IPO.

Gee said he called to tell the client, a restaurateur, about reports that Morgan Stanley had told only select customers about an analyst’s reduction of revenue estimates for Facebook just before the IPO.

“I could see his jaw dropping on the other side,” Gee said. “A lot of expletives came out.” He said his client had asked: “How can they give that information to the big boys and not give it to the public?”

In the final planning of the IPO, Facebook, working with Morgan Stanley, raised the total number of shares being offered for sale by 25 percent, to 421 million. They expected extraordinary demand for the stock by investors.

That appears to have been a miscalculation. Facebook stock jumped from $38 to as high as $45 in the opening minutes, but quickly sank toward $38 again. It dropped to about $34 on Monday and $31 on Tuesday. The stock recovered somewhat on Wednesday and climbed $1.

Dayna Steele, a motivational speaker in Houston, said she plans to wait and buy the stock “when everybody finishes suing each other.”

The shareholder lawsuit, filed in federal court in Manhattan, accuses Morgan Stanley of withholding the negative analyst report from some clients while it prepared to take the stock public.

One of the investors suing, Dennis Palkon, a professor at Florida Atlantic University, said that IPOs are tricky, but “this one had a lot of glamour, had a lot of interest. (Facebook) has a lot of users. I thought it’d be a pretty good investment.”

He bought 1,800 shares of Facebook at $38 through his ETrade account, meaning that after Tuesday, he was down more than $12,000 on paper.

“I think there were problems all over the place,” he said. “It was totally poor planning to raise the price as high as they did and then to add all those extra shares.”

Morgan Stanley declined comment on the lawsuit, but it said on Tuesday that it had complied with regulations in how it handled analyst reports before the IPO. Facebook called the lawsuit “without merit.”

The Senate Banking Committee, the Securities and Exchange Commission and other regulators also plan to look into the IPO.

Comment by ecofeco
2012-05-27 14:11:20

When will the small players ever realize they are just suckers and stop playing the rigged Wall St game?

“Never” I suppose.

Comment by Carl Morris
2012-05-27 15:18:39

With enough effort I’m sure you can convince them that the small players are just suckers. I don’t think you’ll ever convince them that they are one of the small players, though.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 17:52:54

I love this story so much, I am taking way too long to read it thoroughly.

I find it hard to believe FPSS’s assertion that Jamie Dimon would have been in the dark on this trade, given that Weinstein executed the brilliant stroke of announcing his harpooning strategy at a conference held in JPMorgan’s offices. That is simply fantastic! In your face, Jamie Boy!!!

For the record, I have no problem with JPMorgan throwing away money on loosing bets like this one, so long as it is only their wealthy shareholders, and not U.S. taxpayers, who suffer when they lose billions of dollars to savvy hedge fund operators like Mr Weinstein.

“…
Last February, at a conference organized by another hedge fund manager, his friend William A. Ackman, Mr. Weinstein was hailed as one of the savviest credit traders in the business.

The February conference was held, ironically, in JPMorgan’s offices on Madison Avenue. Workers at the bank milled about as Mr. Weinstein and others offered investment tips.

Dressed in a sharp blue suit, Mr. Weinstein stepped up to the microphone and opened with a joke that only a financial wonk would appreciate. He showed a slide comparing the cost of credit default swaps on various government debt to the percentage of young men in those countries who live with their parents. The slide titled “Mamma Mia!” suggested that, by that measure, Greece, Portugal and Italy were in trouble.

But what really got people’s attention was his second-to-last slide. It was his pick for the “best” investment idea of the moment. Mr. Weinstein recommended buying the Investment Grade Series 9 10-year Index CDS — the same index that Mr. Iksil was shorting.

The crowd, 300 or so investment professionals, began buzzing.

“Once he came out in that meeting and was so specific, others jumped in,” one hedge fund manager said.

But the London Whale was so big that, for months, the hedge funds betting against him simply got steamrolled. One of Mr. Weinstein’s funds at Saba was down 20 percent heading into May.

Then the tables began to turn, as news reports about Mr. Iksil, fed by the hedge funds, began to surface on both sides of the Atlantic. Suddenly, everyone was checking out the obscure index that Mr. Weinstein and others had seized upon.

By May, when fears over Europe’s debt crisis again came to the fore, the trade reversed. The London Whale was losing. And Mr. Weinstein began to make back all of his losses — and then some — in a matter of weeks.

Other hedge funds were also big winners. Blue Mountain Capital and BlueCrest Capital, both created by former JPMorgan traders, were among those winners. Lucidus Capital Partners, CQS and a fund called III came out ahead, too.
…”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 17:55:50

I guess it takes a whale to know one.

‘…

INSIDE the hedge fund world, some joked that Mr. Weinstein had been able to spot the London Whale because he himself had been a whale once, too.

Mr. Weinstein was a pioneer in complex credit derivatives, latching onto them early in his tenure at Deutsche Bank, before they became the financial weapons of mass destruction that worsened the financial crisis. He was a profit machine at the bank, notching earnings in 10 of his 11 years trading there. At 27, he became one of the youngest managing directors in the bank’s history. Before his book blew up, Mr. Weinstein was reportedly pulling down about $40 million a year. He exploited price discrepancies and piled leverage into his trades.

Then his team at Deutsche Bank lost $1.8 billion during the 2008 financial crisis. The trading losses ruined bonuses throughout the bank, and ruffled more than a few feathers.

He would later leave the bank and, along with 12 of his colleagues, set up Saba. Mr. Weinstein started it with $140 million — a pittance by hedge fund standards. In the intervening years, he has outperformed his peers and managed to vacuum up assets at a time when most growing hedge funds have been struggling to hold on to what they’ve got. He now controls more than $5.5 billion.

The similarities between Mr. Weinstein and Mr. Iksil still resonate in the market.

“It was one whale versus another whale,” one hedge fund manager said.

…’

Comment by polly
2012-05-27 19:47:01

That means that he and his team take home $110 million just for getting up in the morning. Don’t have to make a cent for their clients.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 11:57:13

Anyone who believes this story is not prima facie evidence of bank fraud, please explain why to this Rube.

The funniest part of this story is that it was only a few short years ago when CEOs of Megabank, Inc, such as Dick Fuld, were railing about private individuals short-selling Wall Street investment bank stock. I guess short sales are great, so long as it is only Megabank, Inc’s clientele who are doing it?

Conflicts abound as Facebook backers assist short sellers
by: TOM LAURICELLA
From: The Wall Street Journal
May 25, 2012 2:51PM

AS traders at Morgan Stanley were frantically trying to shore up Facebook’s share price following the company’s initial public offering, other managers on the deal were helping short sellers bet that the newly minted stock would fall.

Last Friday, at least 25 per cent of trading volume in Facebook shares - more than 143 million shares - were short sales, according to data from exchanges that handled 94 per cent of Facebook’s total trading volume over the first four days

Trading desks at Goldman Sachs Group and JP Morgan Chase, two of the firms that helped Morgan Stanley underwrite the IPO, were among those lending out Facebook shares that hedge funds needed for short sales, according to people familiar with the matter.

The role of the firms in enabling short sellers in Facebook’s stock shines a light on a long-standing Wall Street business that has the potential to create conflicts of interest. Even as one arm of a brokerage firm is getting paid to drum up interest in a stock, another part of the firm could be earning big profits by helping bet that the stock will fall in price.

“In general, Wall Street has conflicts of interest, and conflicts of interest are profitable,” said Daylian Cain, a Yale School of Management professor of business ethics. “It’s hard to navigate them when there are millions of dollars at stake.”

In a short sale, investors sell borrowed stock, hoping the shares fall so they can buy the stock at a lower price, return the shares and pocket the difference.

Clients of Goldman, JP Morgan and other banks were also helping contribute to a downdraft in Facebook’s shares. The decline in the stock in the days after the IPO added to widespread anger among investors over the handling of the IPO after trading was disrupted by glitches on the first day.

While it isn’t uncommon for Wall Street firms to make shares available for shorting on IPOs they manage, Morgan Stanley, the lead underwriter, didn’t lend shares, according to people familiar with the matter.

Facebook shares were priced at $US38 last Thursday. They held above that level last Friday as Morgan Stanley helped support the stock.

But they fell 11 per cent on Monday and a further 8.9 per cent on Tuesday, providing the opportunity for a rich profit for short sellers. The stock rebounded on Wednesday and ended trading at $US33.03 on Thursday.

Representatives for Goldman, JP Morgan and Morgan Stanley declined to comment.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 17:13:50

“Anyone who believes this story is not prima facie evidence of bank fraud, please explain why to this Rube.”

CRICKETS: CHIRP! CHIRP!

Comment by polly
2012-05-27 19:48:55

What is fraudulent about it? All I see is one part of the bank doing its job (making sure the IPO sells at the promised price) while another part of the bank does its job (helping clients execute trades that they have chosen to make).

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 20:47:08

fraud
noun \ˈfrȯd\
Definition of FRAUD

1a : deceit, trickery; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right b : an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick

2a : a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor; also : one who defrauds : cheat b : one that is not what it seems or is represented to be

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 12:02:34

“The 52-year-old retired medical-device salesperson in St. Louis bought 3,000 Facebook shares Friday at $42 through an online brokerage and now sits on losses of $30,000 based on Wednesday’s closing price of $32.”

$30,000 down the drain in the span of a week…it hurts to be a FB stock owner!

BUSINESS
Updated May 24, 2012, 12:28 a.m. ET

Some Big Firms Got Facebook Warning
By GINA CHON, JENNY STRASBURGand ANUPREETA DAS

Capital Research & Management wanted to buy into the Facebook Inc. (FB -3.39%) initial public offering. But days before the IPO, an underwriting bank on the deal warned the big investment firm about Facebook’s dimming revenue prospects.

Morgan Stanley and other underwriters have made a profit of about $100 million stabilizing Facebook stock since trading began Friday.

The Los Angeles firm, armed with information from a May 11 “roadshow” meeting with underwriters and Facebook, along with similar estimates of its own, slashed the number of shares it intended to buy. The night before trading began, a Capital Research manager told a banker at Morgan Stanley, MS -0.45% the lead underwriter, that the deal’s pricing was “ridiculous,” according to a person familiar with the situation. Some Capital Research fund managers didn’t buy into the IPO at all, say people familiar with the matter.

Jennifer Kohne received no such warning. The 52-year-old retired medical-device salesperson in St. Louis bought 3,000 Facebook shares Friday at $42 through an online brokerage and now sits on losses of $30,000 based on Wednesday’s closing price of $32. “We don’t get the information that these institutional fund managers are getting,” she says. “We’re at a disadvantage.”

It is one of Wall Street’s best-kept secrets: Securities firms are allowed to selectively confer with favored large investing clients about crucial information as they prepare IPOs.

Comment by ecofeco
2012-05-27 14:13:58

Salesman? Threw down over 100K?

Says all I need to know right there.

Comment by SV guy
2012-05-27 18:00:35

She’s a victim dontcha know.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-05-27 20:17:45

I hear the violin music! I guess they also did not ask themselves how FB makes money. A wealthy colleague at work also bought FB shares, but claims it was not much. I kept my mouth shut. My watch list is a basket of VLO, AAPL, GOOG, PNW, NYB, LUV, TM, although as an individual stock I own PNW already.

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2012-05-27 16:08:36

“TALLAHASSEE — Out of $334 million in cash payments sent to Florida in a multibillion dollar mortgage settlement with major banks, more than $33 million will help bolster the state’s budget.”

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/florida-grabs-a-chunk-of-foreclosure-settlement-money-for-state-budget/1232328

 
Comment by Muggy
2012-05-27 16:16:14

Last year Buffalo schools paid $5.9 million for its teachers to have plastic surgery. In 2010 the figure was up at $9 million.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2150656/Revealed-How-Buffalo-pays-teachers-plastic-surgery-tax-payers-money.html#ixzz1w7BbzLsx

 
Comment by Muggy
2012-05-27 16:34:04

“FCAT scores at Pinellas charter school that used Scientology ’study tech’ are among lowest in Tampa Bay

For those results, Life Force paid Islam’s companies — her charter school management firm, Art of Management, and a study-tech promotional group, the World Literacy Crusade — more than $100,000 in public funds over a span of five months, bankruptcy records show. ”

http://www.tampabay.com/news/education/testing/fcat-scores-at-pinellas-charter-school-that-used-scientology-study-tech/1232114

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 18:43:40

Bloomberg News
Bankia’s Writedowns Cast Doubts on Spain’s Bank Estimates
By Emma Ross-Thomas on May 27, 2012

Spain’s two-week effort to overhaul its lenders and estimate of what it will cost the taxpayer may already look out of date.

Economy Minister Luis de Guindos said May 11 that a law tightening provisioning rules, his second in three months, would require public funds of less than 15 billion euros ($19 billion). BFA-Bankia, the bank nationalized the same week, said on May 25 it was taking 8.5 billion euros of provisions on top of those demanded by the two decrees, as it sought a 19 billion- euro state bailout.

“They’ve done two reforms already and there will probably be more; I don’t know how many more,” Javier Diaz-Gimenez, a professor at the IESE business school in Madrid, said in a telephone interview. “They have zero credibility.”

Spain is seeking to clean up banks and help its cash- strapped regions just as its own access to capital markets has narrowed and depends increasingly on domestic lenders. The nation’s bank-rescue fund has 5 billion euros in cash, de Guindos said this month, leaving its ability to bail out lenders dependent on Spain’s access to markets.

The country plans to inject public debt instead of cash directly into the Bankia Group to pay for the bank’s recapitalization and avoid having to go to market with the instruments, El Pais reported yesterday, without citing anyone.
Debt Sales

Until now, to pay for bank bailouts, the state would sell debt in the market through its bank rescue fund, known as the FROB, and use the cash to aid banks. A jump in yields has made debt sales more difficult and expensive, El Pais said.

Spain’s 10-year bond yield rose to 6.3 percent on May 25, almost 50 basis points higher than before BFA-Bankia (BKIA) was nationalized, as borrowing costs approach the 7 percent level that prompted bailouts in Greece, Ireland and Portugal.

The nationalization of BFA-Bankia on May 9 and the new provisioning rules two days later were Spain’s fourth attempt in three years to restore confidence in lenders after the property crash left them saddled with 184 billion euros of what the Bank of Spain calls problematic assets linked to real estate. The present government came to power on Dec. 21.

In the first round, led by the former Socialist government, the FROB spent 10 billion euros buying preference shares in lenders it encouraged to merge, including Bankia, which received 4.5 billion euros.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-05-27 20:44:00

Is it too late at this point to pull out of emerging market investment funds?

Bloomberg News
Emerging Stock Funds Post $1.5 Billion Outflows on Greece, China
By Weiyi Lim on May 25, 2012

Related
Euro Breakup Chances Risen to 35%, Garner Says

Emerging-market equity fund outflows slowed this week amid signs of an escalation in Europe’s debt crisis and weaker economic growth in China, Citigroup Inc. said.

Developing nations had $1.5 billion of outflows in the week ended May 23, according to Citigroup and Morgan Stanley reports today, citing data from fund researcher EPFR Global. There were net sales of $2.3 billion the previous week, Citigroup reported on May 18. Funds in Asia excluding Japan had the biggest redemptions of the year with outflows of $768 million in the most recent week, Citigroup said today.

It was too early to draw any conclusions from the slowdown in emerging-market equity fund outflows, “given that flows of individual regions worsened,” Kelly Kwok, one of the Citigroup analysts named in the bank’s report, wrote in an e-mailed response to questions. “With no clear solution to the Greek problems and more data pointing to weaker growth in China, there should be no surprise that EM equity fund flows continued for another week.”

MSCI’s developing-nation index has fallen 0.9 percent this week, poised for 10 straight weeks of declines, which would be the longest string of weekly losses since 1994. Stocks have fallen in that time as speculation mounted that Greece may exit the euro group, while China reported April industrial production grew the least since 2009 and foreign direct investment sank for a sixth month.

The emerging-market measure fell 0.4 percent to 898.97 at 12:32 p.m. in Hong Kong. The gauge trades at 9.6 times estimated earnings, compared with 11.7 for the MSCI World Index (MXWO) of advanced nations.

Bond Fund Outflows

Greece is preparing for a second election on June 17 following an inconclusive ballot this month. Fitch Ratings cut Greece’s credit rating by one level on May 17, citing concerns the country won’t be able to muster the support needed to sustain its membership in the euro area. Italian Prime Minister Mario Monti said yesterday Greece will probably stay in the euro and that a majority of the region’s leaders support issuing a joint bond to fight the debt crisis.

Funds dedicated to emerging-market bonds had $478 million of outflows in the week ended May 23, marking the first weekly withdrawal since Jan. 11, according to a Barclays Plc report today that cited EPFR data.

Brazil had the largest outflow among emerging markets in the latest week, with withdrawals of $380 million, Jonathan Garner, Morgan Stanley’s Hong Kong-based emerging-market strategist, wrote in a report today. China was second largest with redemptions of $320 million, according to the report.

 
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2012-05-28 00:05:56

Sunday, May 27, 2012
Global markets week ahead: Summer of discontent beckons

LONDON: The late spring warmth spreading across Europe and the United States is unlikely to soothe a growing anxiety in financial markets that the global outlook is anything but balmy.

An escalating euro zone crisis and weak data from China and Europe have turned investment flows ever more firmly toward safe-haven assets, mainly in the US, and away from anything with a hint of risk - a trend that is firmly entrenched.

In the coming week investors find out if the list of current concerns extends to the health of the giant US. economy with May non-farm payrolls and consumer confidence reports due, along with a more detailed reading on the first quarter’s economic performance.

But the focus of market attention will mainly be on risk in Europe, centered on elections on June 17 that could leave Greece governed by parties opposed to the international bailout that is keeping the country afloat.

That could force Greece to leave the euro zone, causing collateral damage of a scale that is hard to assess to the world’s fragile economic and financial system.

To the west, a perfect storm of soured bank loans and regional governments flirting with bankruptcy is gathering over Spain, with Bankia seeking a 15 billion euro bailout and Catalonia also going cap in hand to Madrid.

“I don’t think Europe will drag down the rest of the global economy if nothing too bad happens. The problem is there’s a possibility that something too bad will happen,” said Peter Westaway, chief economist at Vanguard Asset Management.

That uncertainty is spreading across the world is highlighted in data from fund tracker EPFR Global showing that emerging equity funds saw outflows of over $1.5 billion in the week to May 23 after losing $2.25 billion the previous week.

Emerging market bond funds lost almost $500 million in the same period, their first decline in 19 weeks.

Also in the past week, the European Central Bank said in the past week that direct and portfolio investment recorded net outflows of 54 billion euros in March, the month after the second of its two massive liquidity injections into the banking system.

At the other end of the risk scale, Germany was able to sell a two-year bond in the past week that offered investors no regular return and found buyers lining up for the deal.

The yield on 10-year US Treasury note dropped to near 1.7 percent, close to its lowest level on record, while the dollar indexed against a range of major currencies touched a 20-month high.

After a volatile week on global equity markets, MSCI’s world share index gave up virtually all its gains for this year and has fallen 12.5 percent since its peak at the end of March.

Safety first: The speculation about Greece exiting the euro, contagion in Italy and Spain, and the future of the whole euro zone project still isn’t fully reflected in market prices, according to some analysts.

“We think that the ramifications of a Greek exit are more serious than the market anticipates,” analysts at Morgan Stanley said in a note to clients.

“While a euro zone break-up is not our base case scenario, we raise our subjective probability to 35 percent from 25 percent, and reduce the time scale of this move to 12-18 months from five years.”

Analysts at RBS believe that even after the shake-out in financial markets sparked by the political turmoil in Greece, the drive into safe-haven assets has further to run.

“You’ve had a little smokescreen of the ECB liquidity injection, but apart from this it’s been same the trade for two years - don’t own any risky assets,” said Andrew Roberts, head of European Rates Research at RBS Markets. “The only difference now is that Asia is coming to the party partly because its main export market is Europe.”

 
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