June 6, 2012

The Faithful Gather To Gamble

The Northern Colorado Business Report. “It’s no secret that the housing market is showing signs of life, so much so that local real estate companies have resumed hiring brokers and some developers are working on new single-family construction. Lauren Hansen, CEO of Information Real Estate Services points to supply and demand as the reason for the changes. ‘Inventory is down and interest rates have reached record lows,’ Hansen said. Because there are fewer homes on the market, buyers are more motivated to make an offer on a home and hopefully stake a claim on it.”

“In other words, there’s a sense of competition in the market, and the inventory data explain why. The number of active listings recorded by IRES has been significantly lower than the same month of the previous year in every month so far in 2012.”

From KKCO in Colorado. “With the 25 billion mortgage settlement, borrowers who lost homes to foreclosure will be eligible for payouts from a 1.5 billion dollar fund. That could mean 750,000 borrowers getting about $2,000 each. ‘The government isn’t going to go back and say oh well, the bank made a mistake, here’s $2,000 for your home. Well that’s worth, what, a month’s worth of rent?’ says Penni.”

“Penni’s home was foreclosed last year. ‘I could be evicted any day. I’m not willing to take their cash for keys; I’m not willing to abandon my home,’ says Penni. But she’s running out of time and running out of options. ‘The banks aren’t willing to negotiate with me. The thing that I really want people to know is that’s they’re not going to get help; they’re not going to get help from their bank; they’re not going to get help from their government,’ she says.”

The Arizona Republic. “Arizona State University’s latest real-estate report shows the median home price in the Phoenix area climbed again in April to $140,000 — 25 percent higher than the year before. Metro Phoenix’s supply of homes is so low that bidding wars have become the norm. Mike Orr, real-estate analyst with ASU started a survey among real-estate agents to track how competitive homebuying is in the region. So far, the most competitive purchase he has documented was a home sale with 76 bids in Chandler. Of the offers, at least 65 came from regular buyers.”

“Potential buyers seeing the rapid run-up in home prices during the past few months are now rushing to try to buy, Orr said. Rob Shaw, a Phoenix-area real-estate agent, said that there are regular homeowners who can now sell for a profit but that appraisals aren’t keeping up with rising values. That means traditional buyers, who must get an appraisal to secure a mortgage, may not be able to close the deal. ‘We are encouraging sellers to consider marketing their homes to cash-only buyers to avoid having to get an appraisal,’ he said.”

“‘Phoenix is a volatile housing market,’ Orr said. ‘I always tell people we are the dot-com of real estate. When the market is doing well, people jump in, and when it goes bad, panic sets in fast.’”

The Phoenix Business Journal in Arizona. “While some local real estate experts believe the Phoenix market already is in the midst of a recovery, many national experts don’t agree. ‘The shadow inventory and the amount of homes underwater, (the negative equity) there are 11 million homes but it is concentrated really in three states: Arizona, 61 percent, Florida, 45 percent,’ said Mark Kiesel, a managing director at Pacific Investment Management Co., without citing the third state.”

“Gary Shilling, president of a consultancy in Springfield, New Jersey, doesn’t think prices are going up. He believes U.S. housing prices still are going to decline 20 percent this year due to excess inventories. ‘We estimate that there are 2 million inventories, both visible and shadow inventories over and above normal working levels,’ he said. ‘That is a lot. Back in normal times, we built about a million and a half houses a year, so two and a half million is a tremendous overhang.’”

The Salt Lake Tribune in Utah. “The speed at which the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. disposed of the foreclosed properties of a failed Arkansas bank played a part in the later demise of at least two Utah banks, the head of the Utah Bankers Association alleges. But over time, the agency has learned to get rid of foreclosed properties without undue disruption to local markets, said some bankers, who would not speak on the record. The FDIC can sell properties, work with borrowers to change the terms of delinquent loans and avoid foreclosure or bundle delinquent loans from a number of banks and sell them to investors.”

“‘It is getting very sophisticated about this,’ one banker said. ‘They are not a dump-and-run group.’”

“Because Freddie and Fannie are still big players in home lending nationwide, the agencies can sometimes be involved at both ends of a home sale, simultaneously as the property owner and a key part of the financing. ‘Let’s just say, it can be pretty inbred,’ said Jeremy Peterson, an Ogden real estate agent and Republican state lawmaker. ‘You don’t have traditional market forces at play. You have political forces.’”

“Foreclosure data analyzed by The Tribune also show thousands of Utah REO properties still entangled in hybrid mortgage-backed securities, the so-called toxic assets created by Wall Street out of bundled subprime mortgages sold by original lenders. Documents list these properties as being owned, essentially, through financial instruments packaged by institutional lenders. Typically, these properties are held by smaller groups of private investors who are usually intent on recovering the full, pre-crash value of their investments and tend to be less flexible in negotiating on sales prices, several Utah brokers said.”

“‘You’re going to see those assets setting on the market for long, long periods of time,’ said Steve Cuillard, broker who has sold REO properties for nearly 13 years..”

“‘We were crying with buyers at the closing table for realizing the American Dream and now four years later, we’re crying with them at the kitchen table when they’re losing it all,’ says Salt Lake City-based real estate agent Amanda Mendenhall.”

From KLAS-TV in Nevada. “More than one of every four homeowners with a mortgage in the Las Vegas metro area owes more than double what their home is worth, Zillow reported. The report also found that Nevada led the nation with 66.9 percent of its mortgage holders underwater in the first three months of this year. That was well ahead of second place Arizona at 52.3 percent. Among 30 large metro areas surveyed, Las Vegas also came out on top with 71 percent of its residential mortgages underwater. It was also reported that 14.3 percent of Las Vegas homeowners were at least 90 days delinquent on their mortgage payments, fifth highest nationally.”

“Zillow reported that 15.7 million Americans collectively were $1.2 trillion underwater in the first quarter. ‘While it was disappointing to see negative equity numbers remain so high, it is important to note that negative equity remains only a paper loss for the vast majority of underwater homeowners,’ Zillow chief economist Stan Humphries said.”

From Vegas Inc in Nevada. “Las Vegas homebuilders can’t build houses fast enough these days to keep up with buyers’ demand. A shrinking inventory of existing homes in the valley is forcing buyers who might typically prefer older homes to buy new. Inventory began to shrink rapidly at the end of last year when a new state law took effect requiring lenders to prove they have the legal right to foreclose on properties. Last month, there were only 258 bank repossessions in the valley, the fewest on record in two decades, according to SalesTraq.”

“For the first time in five years, homebuilders are raising prices as developments sell out. ‘They can only raise their prices so much. The problem is getting appraisals to match those prices,’ said Kolleen Kelley, president of the Greater Las Vegas Association of Realtors.”

“Naysayers may grumble that another bust is imminent. With a glut of inventory lurking in the shadows, they worry the market will be flooded with new and existing homes once banks start releasing foreclosures again. Kelley doubts it. Developers are, for the most part, building on demand, she said, and have learned lessons about speculation. ‘They have a good sense of the demand going a few months out,’ she said.”

From Metronews on Nevada. “Every weekday morning at the stroke of 10, the faithful gather to gamble. But this isn’t a casino. It’s the parking lot of the Nevada Legal News. Here, every Monday to Friday, 50 to 60 realtors congregate to bid on America’s broken dreams, homes wrenched from people’s grasp by banks and put up for auction. Today more than 300 are up for grabs, just as there are every day. It’s a scene being repeated across America.”

“The prospect of sunny properties at deep-discount prices has been a magnet for foreigners: Canadians, Mexicans and newest of the nouveau riche, the Chinese, lead the pack. ‘Vegas is on sale right now and Canadians know it,’ says Tom Fehrman, a local broker. ‘There are millions of Canadian dollars circulating in this market. Here in Vegas there’s more Chinese money coming in now.’”

“Local realtor David Fahrny remembers the glory days of the rising Vegas real estate market fondly, before it all came crashing down. In 2000, the city was on a path of robust growth. But in 2003, the age of “the 80-20” dawned, a scheme that allowed buyers to sign on for 80 per cent mortgages and get the other 20 wherever they could — banks didn’t care where. It was effectively a 100 per cent mortgage with zero down.”

“By 2004, people in Vegas were standing in line for days to put their name on a list to make an offer on a new house. Bidding wars broke out, people were offering tens of thousands of dollars over list prices, and agents were bringing ‘flowers and candy’ trying to get sellers to take their offers. ‘I remember one property we were bidding on had 32 offers on it. How do you compete with that?’ said Fahrny.”

“Fahrny started picking up properties, too — for his retirement. He couldn’t resist. ‘When it all started, I said, ‘Look we’ve got to do this. If we don’t, we may be sorry.’ I said, ‘Sure it’s a crap shoot. It’s a roll of the dice. But if it all collapses, it won’t matter — we’ll all be in the same boat.’”

“Fahrny snapped up 10 houses, investing more than $2 million. Then the U.S. housing bubble burst, stocks and securities that were tied to the U.S. real estate market plummeted, and the global financial crisis exploded around the world. The banks called Fahrny’s loans, just as they did for millions of others. Fahrny was forced to sell all but two of his properties, suffering major losses. Today he clings to his own home and a single rental. He’s not making payments on either.”

“‘And so here we are today. I guess we’re all in the same boat now, aren’t we?’ he said.”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2012-06-06 06:43:29

‘It’s no secret that the housing market is showing signs of life, so much so that local real estate companies have resumed hiring brokers and some developers are working…In other words, there’s a sense of competition in the market’

‘The Colorado Housing and Finance Authority launched a new round of mortgage help Monday for low- and moderate-income homebuyers statewide, which includes loans and special certificates that entitle buyers to get federal income tax credits for part of the interest they pay on their mortgages. The agency has up to $200 million available for the new program, or enough to help about 2,000 homebuyers; it replaces a 2-year-old program that ended Friday’

http://www.gazette.com/articles/homebuyers-139688-authority-program.html

‘OGDEN — Weber County will continue a grant to help first-time home buyers. The Down Payment Assistance program is part of a $250,000 Community Development Block Grant from the federal government. ‘It promotes stability and home ownership,’ Weber Housing Authority Interim Director Andi Watkins said. ‘It helps low- to moderate-income families get affordable, decent and safe housing.’

‘Weber Housing Authority began the application process for the grant in November 2011. To be eligible for a loan, applicants must fall under low- to moderate-income guidelines, qualify for a fixed-rate mortgage and contribute a minimum of $2,000 toward the purchase of the home.’

‘The homes must be purchased within the Weber County borders, but outside Ogden city limits. Ogden has its own home-buyer program. This is the third year the county is offering the loan to residents. The county plans to apply for the funds again next year.’

http://www.standard.net/stories/2012/06/01/federal-grant-help-first-time-home-buyers-get-house

Man, there sure are a lot of govt ‘programs’ out there to help low income people buy houses.

‘Potential buyers seeing the rapid run-up in home prices during the past few months are now rushing to try to buy, Orr said.’

Comment by BlueStar
2012-06-06 08:23:03

And yet wages remain flat year after year or so they say. The senate rejected a fair pay law yesterday 52 v 47 so that’s a dead end. In the last few months +300k were dropped from LT unemployment. Thousands more to come from HP, US Postal Service and Sate/Local cuts. 2+2=5 !?

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-06-06 09:21:06

But we added 60,000 jobs according to the BLS. Actually, their number was negative 140,000, but they have a Birth/Death thingy they use to goose the stats temporarily.

 
 
Comment by Young Deezy
2012-06-06 08:34:03

[i]Man, there sure are a lot of govt ‘programs’ out there to help low income people buy houses. [/i]

Mmm, yes, exactly the sort of people who should be taking on huge, long term debts. Thank god for those programs, otherwise these people would have to rent, and we all know that’s a fate worse than death.

Also, Ben, if i didn’t know better, I’d swear that chunks of this post were lifted from news articles circa 2005.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-06-06 09:50:05

Man, there sure are a lot of govt ‘programs’ out there to help low income people buy houses.

To who else are they going to “sell” them? It’s not like we’ve got non “low income people” coming out of our ears these days.

This isn’t going to end well.

 
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-06-06 17:52:52

Seems like our government wants to follow the Canadian model, just keep loans “affordable” at all costs.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-06 06:54:01

“…the housing market is showing signs of life, so much so that local real estate companies have resumed hiring brokers and some developers are working on new single-family construction.”

Not just in CO — seeing it every day along my San Diego commute route, where the road is obstructed and traffic is slowed along the new home construction corridor. And two days back, my wife called to comment on the amazing amount of new home construction that has recently resumed about two miles seaward of where we live.

It appears the federally-sponsored hair-of-the dog housing market stimulus, including inventory and interest rate suppression, coupled with taxpayer-backed subprime lending, is working great!

Comment by Ben Jones
2012-06-06 07:03:30

‘Las Vegas homebuilders can’t build houses fast enough these days’

‘Developers are, for the most part, building on demand, she said, and have learned lessons about speculation. ‘They have a good sense of the demand going a few months out,’ she said.’

A few months out? Then what? They start cutting the price and putting earlier buyers underwater?

And how good can the sense of demand be in this situation:

‘No one knows the precise number of Canadian dollars spent on Vegas real estate, but nationally, Canadians bought more than $9 billion worth of U.S. real estate last year. “Here in Vegas there’s more Chinese money coming in now,” Fehrman adds.’

‘Menguei Sun, of Beijing, a slight woman dressed in jeans, a silk floral jacket and pale green camisole, arrived this morning behind the wheel of a white, Mercedes convertible. She is “educating” herself, she says. She doesn’t “yet” represent Chinese investors. “But I hope to.”

‘A “big fan” of Warren Buffett, Sun says it doesn’t take rocket science to understand the opportunities here. “Buffet says the single-family house in America is a better investment than stocks. But you have to hold it long. And the risk here in Las Vegas is low.”

Uhhh. No additional comment.

Comment by snake charmer
2012-06-06 10:25:16

So our markets are being distorted by speculation from members of the corrupt elite of a country that’s lending money into existence as fast as possible to prevent all hell from breaking loose. A naive person would ask whether one purpose of government is to protect us from that kind of thing. And indeed it is, but our government’s purpose has become making sure we’re subjected to it.

We just can’t do any better.

 
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-06-06 18:02:28

Yeah, seems a bit premature to be adding new homes to the supply out here in the southwest, sure seems like at least a mini-mania has taken hold.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-06-06 09:57:08

“Not just in CO — seeing it every day along my San Diego commute route, where the road is obstructed and traffic is slowed along the new home construction corridor.”

It’s nothing that dramatic out here, still next to no new construction going on. What I am seeing is that the only thing that’s moving are lower end houses (under $200K). Anything above 200K sits and doesn’t sell. I suspect that FHA and the assistance programs described above are driving this.

I’d sure like to know where that $200 million in “assistance” is coming from, as potholes aren’t being filled and school budgets (already among the lowest in the nation) are being cut.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-06-06 23:48:32

I’m going to ask the same question I usually do:

Are there any earthmovers grading new lots in any of these markets? Or are the builders just building on already developed lots?

Once those finished lots get built on, new construction will slow/stop again unless the math works to develop new lots.

 
 
Comment by Alan
2012-06-06 06:54:29

“Fahrny snapped up 10 houses,

“‘And so here we are today. I guess we’re all in the same boat now, aren’t we?’ he said.”

Fortunately, no we’re not..

Comment by BetterRenter
2012-06-07 22:35:14

Correct. We’re not. Unlike the con artist and/or idiot David Fahrny, I paid cash for my house. So no banker is going to margin-call my arse, and no market condition is going to kick me out. After all, if I lose this place, then that black swan event means either (1) millions of others will be in even deeper crap, or (2) homelessness was my fate anyway. If you can’t afford about $100/mo in property taxes (my rate), then you’ve got bigger problems.

“Today [Fahrny] clings to his own home and a single rental. He’s not making payments on either.”

That tells me everything I need to know about the guy: He’s a crook and/or a moron. A poster boy for this housing balloon.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-06 06:55:56

“Today he clings to his own home and a single rental. He’s not making payments on either.”

How many other former Trump Juniors are living in rent-free investment homes these days?

Comment by scdave
2012-06-06 07:33:08

“Penni’s home was foreclosed last year. ‘I could be evicted any day. I’m not willing to take their cash for keys; I’m not willing to abandon my home,’ says Penni. The thing that I really want people to know is that’s they’re not going to get help ??

No ?? What do you call living in a house for free Miss Penni ?? And, its not “your home”…You forfeited that right when you stopped making the payments on your obligation…These “Victims” are really no different from the people who suck off the government system in so many ways..

Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-06-06 08:57:01

+eleventyzillion.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-06-06 10:00:57

She probably thought she was living if Florida. From what I have seen here in the Centennial State, if you don’t pay they foreclose on you and kick your butt out of the house. She should take the cash and go find a rental.

 
 
 
Comment by Alan
2012-06-06 06:56:29

“Fahrny snapped up 10 houses,

“‘And so here we are today. I guess we’re all in the same boat now, aren’t we?’ he said.”

Fortunately, no we’re not…

Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-06-06 07:22:56

No we’re not. WE have done everything possible to avoid getting sucked into DisasterCapitalism. It’s self-entitled a$$holes like Fahrny who continue to crowd the trade, shutting out sane transactions.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-06 07:00:41

“The FDIC can sell properties, work with borrowers to change the terms of delinquent loans and avoid foreclosure or bundle delinquent loans from a number of banks and sell them to investors.”

“Because Freddie and Fannie are still big players in home lending nationwide, the agencies can sometimes be involved at both ends of a home sale, simultaneously as the property owner and a key part of the financing. ‘Let’s just say, it can be pretty inbred,’”

Between the FDIC, FHA, FNMA, FHLMC and the Fed, it seems the U.S. housing market is pretty F’d up.

 
Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-06-06 07:17:24

“Penni’s home was foreclosed last year. ‘I could be evicted any day. I’m not willing to take their cash for keys; I’m not willing to abandon my home,’ says Penni. But she’s running out of time and running out of options. ‘The banks aren’t willing to negotiate with me. The thing that I really want people to know is that’s they’re not going to get help; they’re not going to get help from their bank; they’re not going to get help from their government,’ she says.”

Stunning….. stunning.

The average citizen as been lobotomized and rewired with a pull cord on their backs that simply repeat, “I’m entitled…. I’m owed… It’s mine…. all mine.”

Comment by 2banana
2012-06-06 08:32:02

The free sh*t army on the move.

And obama’s stash is going to pay for my mortgage and gas!

We are close to the tipping point. And then we become Greece.

Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-06-06 08:52:56

Ya know Tuby……. you’re on the money until you invoke the divisive buzzwords.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-06-06 10:03:38

Agreed. Does anyone really believe it would be any different had McCain won? This whole situation is what the Banksters want.

And we aren’t Greece, not even close.

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Comment by 2banana
2012-06-06 11:12:03

I always love this argument.

Obama with a MASSIVE majority in the house and filibuster proof majority in the senate is still a huge failure. He could have done ANYTHING. And still a huge failure.

What is the excuse of the kool-aid drinkers? Well, the other guy would not have done any better so it really doesn’t matter.

Really? That is the best you got?

Agreed. Does anyone really believe it would be any different had McCain won? This whole situation is what the Banksters want.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-06-06 11:54:42

Kool aid drinker? Who said I’m even gonna vote for Obama? If anyone is a kool aid drinker, putting his faith in a GOP that has demonstrated time and again that they are inept and never keep their promises about reducing deficits or responsible spending, it’s you.

And I think you’re having a case of selective memory. It wasn’t filibuster proof, they only had 59 Dems in the Senate after the 2008 elections.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2008

You should try checking your “facts” before spewing your truthiness.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2012-06-06 12:16:20

He could have done quite a few things in the area of domestic policy, but he chose Romney’s healthcare ideas and nonprosecution of a degenerate FIRE sector. Sounds like what McCain would have done to me.

What I love are people who are able to make a living selling a bunch of politicians who are in Wall Street’s pocket as different in any way beyond their stances on social issues. That’s quite a feat.

 
Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-06-06 13:20:22

If ya’ll think I’ve abandoned one bought and paid for whore for the other, think again.

Tuby on the other hand is your typical thoughtless partisan.

Why do you still believe in the 2 party duopoly Tuby?

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-06 23:25:33

“And I think you’re having a case of selective memory.”

That’s why I suspect 2banana is a paid Republican aparachnik. Nobody’s memory is that selective!

 
 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-06-06 10:06:00

The average citizen as been lobotomized and rewired with a pull cord on their backs that simply repeat, “I’m entitled…. I’m owed… It’s mine…. all mine.”

FWIW, the average Joe who is foreclosed and leaves quietly doesn’t make the headlines, only the losers who feel they are entitled do.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-06-06 07:19:31

Stocks are a far better deal than Mike Orr’s Touted Phoenix. If you sold stocks in April, Monday the 4th was probably the time to buy them. Since I am not buying as much in my TRowe Price Blue Chip growth fund, I am buying some of the top ten. My picks are those with very low debt compared to cash. Of the stuff not in the top ten, I am interested in TM and perhaps F.

 
Comment by MaaacDoc
2012-06-06 07:21:48

I’m not in the same boat.

Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-06-06 08:05:54

They’re not in the boat……. their scow capsized… millions of them. Of course that doesn’t prevent them from hanging around your neck and taking you down too. Kick off and let’em sink.

 
 
Comment by Darrell in Phoenix
2012-06-06 08:29:02

Here is what I am seeing in Phoenix.

By 2008, every street had lots of for sale signs. They are largely gone.

My street had houses sitting empty for up to 2 years. They now have people living in them.

Condos down the street lingered on the market for months at $25K. Now they are selling for $30K and are under contract within days of hitting the market.

There are LOTS of condos in the $20-30K range, but you have to go into the areas with more crime and scary schools. In the cleaner areas with safer schools, there sure seems to be a lack of supply at the low end of the market.

I suspect that there is still a large shadow inventory, and a TRULY huge number of houses owned by investors that plan to sell for profit in the near future. I would be surprised of the tight market survives into October/November.

I am considering buying, not because I suspect prices will drastically increase, but simply because I want to use the condo to house adult children in a transitional phase into a place of their own.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-06-06 10:09:10

$30K is the price of a family car. Of course with Condos there is always the “risk” on unexpected assessments.But even if they have to replace the roof and set nothing aside, how much can that cost per unit? A couple thousand?

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-06-06 14:51:09

I suspect that there is still a large shadow inventory, and a TRULY huge number of houses owned by investors that plan to sell for profit in the near future. I would be surprised of the tight market survives into October/November.

I’m seeing a lot of empty houses here in Tucson. Don’t know if they’re actually in foreclosure. They’re just sitting there, rotting away.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-06 17:24:34

“They’re just sitting there, rotting away.”

Any thoughts on who owns these, and why it is in their individual interest to let them rot away rather than to sell them?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-06-06 17:30:04

I suspect that they’ve gone back to the banks. And said banks don’t want to recognize the losses on their books.

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Comment by Florida Is Going To Kill Me ®
2012-06-06 16:59:48

“By 2008, every street had lots of for sale signs. They are largely gone.”

This is true for where I live as well. This is perhaps evidence of massive collusion?

Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-06-06 19:49:46

It certainly may be collusion, hard to prove, but the market sure did turn on a dime out here in my area. If all lenders including Fannie and Freddie are participating in the withholding of inventory at the same time the FHA is giving out 3% down loans like candy, what do you call it?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-06 23:29:21

Clusterfork?

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Comment by Rental Watch
2012-06-06 23:59:39

If you believe Fannie and Freddie reports, they don’t appear to be holding inventory. The only market that I’m aware of could be argued that they ARE holding is Florida, where they are still taking back each quarter more homes than they are selling. In other bubble states, they are selling more homes than taking in.

I heard a rumor the other day that some of the big banks are slowing the sale of REO because they feel prices are on their way up…why sell at today’s prices if they can sell later for more?

The rumor came from a market participant (private lender), but not a banker. I’m sure though word gets around in certain circles…

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-06-06 20:40:34

I think it’s collusion and we will find out in time.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-06 23:30:26

“…we will find out…”

Treasury Department FOIA inquiry, anyone?

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Comment by Lisa
2012-06-06 08:36:10

‘It’s no secret that the housing market is showing signs of life, so much so that local real estate companies have resumed hiring brokers and some developers are working…In other words, there’s a sense of competition in the market’

I’m visiting in Ashland, Oregon, and the local Mail Tribune ran a similar article…buried at the bottom was the gem about 55% of sales being bank owned / short sales, like this makes for a healthy RE market just ready to take off.

Comment by Rental Watch
2012-06-07 00:01:42

Those percentages are the same in California. The thing to pay attention to is the rate of change…is the 55% falling? If so, how fast?

The reason I ask is this…without that 55% of distressed sellers, inventory is cut in half.

 
 
Comment by Fitzclarence
2012-06-06 08:36:39

‘We are encouraging sellers to consider marketing their homes to cash-only buyers to avoid having to get an appraisal,’ he said.”

If I was a cash-only buyer, why wouldn’t I have an appraisal anyway? Cash or not, I still wouldn’t pay more than the house is appraised for (”worth”).

Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-06-06 08:45:13

Appraisers are nothing more than shit house economists. They couldn’t tell you what it costs to build something if you gave them 6 months.

Comment by polly
2012-06-06 13:34:02

What it costs to build something isn’t what it is worth. It could be worth a whole heck of a lot less than that. What it is worth is what the second most eager guy to buy it (or the most eager guy after you if you want it) is willing to pay.

Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-06-06 14:03:18

Of course it’s worth less than what it costs me in T&M. That’s why the existing structure is depreciated.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2012-06-07 00:09:26

The only thing an appraisal is good for is market data and some comp work…do the analysis yourself. Even then, look at other comps yourself.

I just got our home appraised…the appraiser told me that he couldn’t increase the price more than 3-5% over what I paid a year ago, even though my purchase was private party/off market (non-competitive in a very competitive market), and comps justify a higher value today. He even ignored a comp that was same vintage/size/age, etc. at 15% higher that I paid.

Yesterday, a home on the other side of the cul-de-sac went on the market for 4% higher than my recent appraisal…it’s the same vintage from the same original developer, but about 10% smaller in square footage. We’ll see what it sells for–the listing agent is one of the top brokers in the market…I’d be surprised if there aren’t multiple bids over ask–open house this weekend we’ll see.

That’s a long way of saying MAI generally means “made as instructed”. Appraisers can’t think independently of what the contract price is, or within some parameters that they feel is “reasonable”. They can’t think for you…you need to do that yourself, but appraisers can do some legwork on the data important to your decision.

 
 
Comment by Darrell in Phoenix
2012-06-06 08:49:52

http://www.azcentral.com/business/realestate/articles/2012/06/05/20120605developer-burton-files-mil-bankruptcy.html

“A developer who helped build a corporate-jet center and tried to build a resort complex in Glendale has filed an enormous personal bankruptcy in Las Vegas.

Rick Burton owes more than $310 million to investors. He lists $6,500 in assets, mostly home furnishings, with little more than $50 in records and CDs and a $50 watch, according to court records. He lists $96 in two bank accounts.”

Comment by Darrell in Phoenix
2012-06-06 09:20:49

sorry, wrong thread…. belongs in bits bucket.

 
 
Comment by doom
2012-06-06 09:57:12

I see where Chrysler’s sales increase are due to selling cars to subprime folks and rental agency’s (hardly a good sign this company is in recovery).

This brings us to the present home crisis, the banks know the market for qualified buyers is limited,so they are back to being creative a recipe for another disaster welcome to “”CHRYSLER LAND OF SMOKE AND MIRRORS” for the housing market.

 
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