Escalating Prices And Where Risky Decisions Can Lead
It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “The number of Metro Orlando homes entering the foreclosure process last month was up more than 10 percent from the month before. May was the fifth consecutive month in which increasing numbers of homeowners in the four-county metro area encountered the initial stages of foreclosure, according to RealtyTrac. An increase of the number of houses entering foreclosure does not necessarily mean more distressed properties will soon be dumped on the market, said broker Stephen Baker. During a recent National Association of Realtors conference that he attended in Washington, D.C., the country’s three top lenders told the crowd not to expect a big release of foreclosed properties, he said.”
“‘They told us that they wouldn’t want to do that, because it would hurt them by driving down prices’ and they would not be able to process that many sales effectively, Baker said.”
“To the snowbirds of Canada, the sunseekers of Europe and flight capitalists of Latin America, Florida sends you all a great big Thanks! for buying homes here in such abundance. ‘Florida has been the fastest-growing destination of choice,’ states the Profile of International Home Buying Activity 2012. California was second with 11 percent, while Texas and Arizona each had 7 percent, followed by Georgia and New York.”
“It’s getting more difficult to pay the costs associated with home ownership in the Vancouver area and the tab is likely to rise more as interest rates rise, the Royal Bank said. The RBC figures assume an owner would need $155,900 of qualifying annual income to make mortgage payments on a bungalow priced at $832,600. Based on those figures, the owners would have to direct $8.89 of every $10 of median income earned each year toward mortgage payments, utility costs and property taxes, the RBC Housing Trends and Affordability report found.”
“For a two-storey home, the figures are even more dramatic: an owner would need to spend $9.30 of every $10 of median income earned toward their home and would require a qualifying annual income of $163,100 to borrow to buy a home valued at $865,500.”
“Ventura County’s housing market continues to show signs of vast improvement, with home sales last month reaching a level not seen since 2007. Realtor Judy Seeger has seen more foreign investors buying rental properties in the Conejo Valley. ‘We have a ton of Asian clients coming from Malaysia, China and Japan,’ she said.”
“Despite recent interest rate cuts by the Reserve Bank of Australia, the housing market has not responded to these cuts. Local buyers may also start to boost the market , online poll by mortgage provider Loan Market found 51 per cent of respondents were planning to invest over the next 12 months, while a further 37 per cent were keen but want to be sure their jobs were secure.”
“Only five per cent of the 786 people surveyed had no plans to buy property.”
“University of Western Sydney economics and finance professor Steve Keen has warned the Hunter Region against relying on the coal boom as a marker for future prosperity. ‘What if the coal boom doesn’t continue?’ Professor Keen said. ‘I’d be dubious about expecting coal to rescue you, if anything goes wrong with China.’”
“Among Beijing’s 13.2 million homes, 3.81 million are currently vacant, according to the Beijing Municipal Public Security Bureau. Although the fact that nearly 29 percent of the homes in China’s capital, where demand for housing is enormous, are unoccupied has raised red flags for authorities, even more alarming is the fact that the vast majority of these units are being hoarded by developers and investors for speculative reasons.”
“Yet, Beijing is not the only city plagued by a high home vacancy rate. In Sanya, a popular tourist destination in Hainan Province, nearly 80 percent of residential properties are unoccupied, a local government official revealed at a press conference recently.”
“On a recent morning, a single coach pulled out of Wenzhou’s main long-haul bus station into an almost empty street. A few years ago, the road was a permanent traffic jam, clogged with buses and migrant workers arriving from other provinces, according to Liu, a taxi driver who like many people in China declined to give his full name. Liu came to Wenzhou more than 10 years ago, said he’s taking his family of four back to Anhui province next week. Even working more than 12 hours a day, his income has dropped to a monthly 3,000 yuan, from 5,000 yuan a year ago.”
“Property in Wenzhou remains out of reach for thousands like Liu even after home prices slumped 12.3% in April, the fastest drop in the country. Apartments still cost an average 30,000 yuan per square meter — the equivalent of the city’s annual per capita disposable income in 2010, according to the local government website.”
“‘This is no longer the city I had dreamed of,’ Liu said. ‘No matter how hard I work, I can’t save enough to buy an apartment here. I’m not coming back.’”
“Bosa Development will break ground next week on the first phase of a project in Seattle’s Denny Triangle that was approved in 2007 but went into hibernation when the real-estate crisis hit. As for the doubters, Nat Bosa said, they’re looking back rather than forward. ‘I have a philosophy: You plan to buy your summer hat in the winter. And then you sell it in the heat of summer.’”
“And if he’s wrong about the condo market, Bosa said, he can always rent the units as apartments until it does bounce back. But that, too, could be problematic, said Glenn Crellin, associate director of the University of Washington’s Runstad Center for Real Estate Studies: Thousands of new apartments are expected to come on the market by 2014.”
“Even as buyer confidence climbs, the local housing market still faces a tough reality: Appraisals are falling short of what many buyers are willing to pay. It’s a problem that is weighing down home prices and stalling a more robust recovery, Twin Cities agents say. And they find that surprising in a market where inventory is scant and multiple bids on homes are becoming more common.”
“‘People don’t realize that it’s getting better and don’t realize that what we have could be even better,’ said Marti Estey, a sales agent with Re/Max Results, who has had several deals nearly fall through.”
“Jonathan Smoke, executive director of Hanley Wood Market Intelligence said the effects of the housing bust are driving much of the caution. ‘Since the downturn, I think appraisers have been acting conservatively at the behest of lenders and the government,’ he said, noting that mortgage underwriters won’t forget the billions of dollars that were lost in the housing collapse.”
“There’s something unusual happening in Boise. While national figures show that the housing recovery is slow, at best, Boise is one of a few U.S. cities that have seen a fast run-up in demand, and prices. Investors and homebuyers are in stiff competition, and both say there aren’t enough homes to go around. A year ago, Idaho had one of the highest foreclosure rates in the nation. Prices hadn’t touched bottom. By early this year, it was a different story. Chad Boucher says the quick shift was hard to take.”
“‘Everything we put bids in on, it eventually went way above our price range that we were thinking for that house,’ he says. ‘We were just like, ‘Man, we’re going to be outbid by everybody.’”
“The market’s turnaround has left people scratching their heads, including Marc Lebowitz, head of the Ada County Association of Realtors. He says one measure of a real estate market is the number of homes available, and how well that number matches demand. The number of homes now for sale would only satisfy three months’ worth of demand. That shortage has kicked the market into high gear. Lebowitz will admit that gives him pause. ‘I’m solidly convinced that we’re in a strong recovery,’ he says. ‘I’m not sure about the pace of it right now.’”
“In other words, he’s not sure the pace is sustainable. To explain, Lebowitz tells a story about a modest home that recently sold for 20 percent above list price. Immediately, the prices for nearby homes jumped. That’s notable because escalating prices can make for risky decisions. Risky decisions can make for bad investments. And the recession was a lesson in where bad investments can lead.’
“…the country’s three top lenders told the crowd not to expect a big release of foreclosed properties, he said.
‘They told us that they wouldn’t want to do that, because it would hurt them by driving down prices’ and they would not be able to process that many sales effectively, Baker said.”
This is not collusion, because…?
“…they would not be able to process that many sales effectively…”
This suggests that Megabank, Inc operates on an inefficient scale relative to housing, since, as everyone knows, all real estate is local. This is one of many things wrong with the overbearing footprint of the largest U.S. investment banks in local real estate markets around the country.
This is not collusion, because…?
Because they sold the argument that unless you let us play games with our accounting and you lower interest rates to basically zero this whole house of cards is coming down…
Now they will argue that it is working…There are signs everywhere that housing demand is improving and they will continue to leak the inventory in a way that allows them to achieve the best price they can and thereby set the low bar for the next crop of available REO’s…
At the end of the day, through new purchases and refinancing, do we end up with a nation of mortgages that are set in the 3%-4% range and if so, what happens when rates tick up to lets say 6%, which, IMO, is inevitable…
Why would, given a choice, anybody sell their house that has a 3% mortgage to go get one with a 6% mortgage…
“There are signs everywhere that housing demand is improving”
Housing demand is half of what it was. Housing demand is at 15 year lows… and falling.
There’s this pesky little thing called personal income. And it’s not on the rise.
Likewise, job growth. Not exactly breaking records these days.
Historically, household formation has increased along with growth in job creation and personal income.
So, I call the current buying frenzy a sucker’s rally. Look out for the next leg down.
OMG I just checked out the homes where we used to live (94806 zip code). It’s foreclosure city, and there are homes on the market at early-1990s prices. RealtyTrac shows 801 bank-owned homes in just that one zip code.
There are 1400 sq ft 3/2.5 condos for sale there at just north of $100K (yes, they are priced under $100/sq ft), and it is within commuting distance of SF, Walnut Creek, San Rafael, etc.
Come on down, foreign investors, and snap up your East Bay investment homes!
What this is doing is sowing the seeds for grievance, this time among upper-middle class people who until now have been relatively insulated from our decline. They will buy houses and then the rug will be pulled out from under them abruptly. Way to think in the long term, bankers!
They have really gone all in on speculation and irresponsible behavior. And why not? The federal government now exists to serve them, and they view the upcoming presidential election as a win-win scenario.
I don’t believe that anyone in the finance industry thinks long-term any more.
Because they sold the argument that unless you let us play games with our accounting and you lower interest rates to basically zero this whole house of cards is coming down…
Also, don’t forget the other piece of the puzzle, that they have conditioned the masses around the world to believe that housing is supposed to be unaffordable. Without that even 0% rate mortgages couldn’t keep prices up.
Why would, given a choice, anybody sell their house that has a 3% mortgage to go get one with a 6% mortgage…
Because the 6% one will cost half as much, so it will be a wash?
Houses should behave more like bonds, but there do seem to be significant damping factors.
And who are the ‘three top lenders’? From what I’ve read the loan backers are Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and FHA/HUD, who just happen to hold the majority of foreclosures. But they aren’t always ‘lenders’. So who made these statements?
‘not be able to process that many sales effectively’
Wrong. They sub out to asset managers. They could hire as many of these companies as needed.
I thought FNM, FRE and FHA securitized loans, but did not directly lend. I was guessing the “largest three” probably referred to a subset of the ten-or-so largest U.S. banks I lump under the moniker of Megabank, Inc.
Breaking News
U.S. Consumer Sentiment Gauge Declines to 6-Month Low
Wells Fargo Dominates Home Lending as BofA Retreats: Mortgages
By Dakin Campbell and Hugh Son
May 3, 2012 7:04 AM PT
Wells Fargo & Co. (WFC), already the largest U.S. home lender, won the biggest market share ever recorded as competitors led by Bank of America Corp. (BAC) pulled back after suffering more than $65 billion in combined mortgage losses.
Wells Fargo made 33.9 percent of the $385 billion of mortgages originated in the first quarter, up from 30.1 percent in the preceding three months, according to Inside Mortgage Finance. That’s more than triple the share of the closest competitor, JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM), with 10.6 percent. U.S. Bancorp moved into third place from fifth, with 5.2 percent, ahead of Bank of America, with 4.2 percent.
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“Wells Fargo & Co. (WFC), already the largest U.S. home lender, won the biggest market share ever recorded as competitors led by Bank of America Corp. (BAC) pulled back after suffering more than $65 billion in combined mortgage losses.”
A friend of mine has a mortgage with Wells Fargo. She has not paid her mortgage in about 4 years and she is still not in foreclosure. Not that I would ever suspect WF of playing with the numbers…
A former neighbor reverse mortgaged her house via WFC. Amount was close to $300k, and no way was that house ever worth that much.
I strongly suspect a drive-by appraisal. Why? Because former neighbor was one of those cat ladies. If an appraiser had gone inside the house, the smell would have knocked him/her dead.
Any-hoo, long story short, the house was foreclosed less than three years after the reverse mortgage. It was re-sold during the first-time homebuyer tax credit frenzy of 2010. ISTR that the sale price was around $85k.
Nice haircut, WFC.
“A friend of mine has a mortgage with Wells Fargo. She has not paid her mortgage in about 4 years and she is still not in foreclosure.”
What state? That makes a big difference. States that require judicial foreclosures are at the mercy of the court’s schedule. So if this is happening in Florida (judicial foreclosure state), I’d say it may not be the bank’s choice. If it’s happening in Arizona (trustee sale state), I’d say the bank is not foreclosing by choice.
‘not be able to process that many sales effectively’
Sounds as though that statement was a smoke screen for collusion to fix prices.
Because there is no proof of people actually TALKING to each other about decisions of how many houses each bank should release in each market? That is what you need to prove. One example would be the minutes from an OPEC-like meeting where they set oil production quotas. Or maybe something like the evidence in this case:
Former Goldman Sachs director convicted in NYC insider trading case involving hedge fund
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/industries/former-goldman-sachs-director-convicted-in-nyc-insider-trading-case-involving-hedge-fund/2012/06/15/gJQAkvP2eV_story.html
Tease:
During the trial that began on May 20, the government highlighted a Sept. 23, 2008, phone call it said was made from Gupta to Rajaratnam. The call came only minutes after Gupta had learned during a confidential conference call about how Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway planned to invest $5 billion in Goldman — a blockbuster deal that wouldn’t be announced until the stock market closed at 4 p.m.
“That news was going to be very good news for Goldman Sachs,” another prosecutor, Richard Tarlowe said in closing arguments. “The average ordinary investor had no way of knowing that. … Until the announcement, it was confidential.”
Records showed that moments after the phone call ended at 3:55 p.m., Rajaratnam purchased $40 million in Goldman stock — an 11th hour trade that ended up making him nearly $1 million.
The hedge fund manager’s assistant, Caryn Eisenberg, testified at trial that it was the only call her boss received on his private line that day between 3 p.m. and 4 p.m.
Busted over a lousy million-dollar profit!

LOL, MiddleCoaster. haha yes!
You’ll like this one even better, though obviously the amount of money at stake is larger and the crime is differnt.
Allen Stanford gets 110-year prison sentence for $7 billion fraud
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/allen-stanford-gets-110-year-prison-sentence-for-7-billion-fraud/2012/06/15/gJQAQ2kkeV_story.html?tid=pm_business_pop
tease:
U.S. District Judge David Hittner in Houston imposed the sentence yesterday, after saying Stanford had been found guilty of “one of the most egregious criminal frauds ever presented to a jury in federal court.” He ordered Stanford to forfeit $5.9 billion. Jurors in March convicted the Stanford Financial Group principal of 13 charges, including five counts of mail fraud and four of wire fraud.
The jury found Stanford, 62, lied to those who bought certificates of deposit issued by his Antigua-based Stanford International Bank Ltd. and sold in the U.S. by his Houston- based securities firm. Prosecutors said Stanford wasted investor money on failing businesses, yachts and cricket tournaments and secretly borrowed as much as $2 billion from his bank.
“From beginning to end, he’s treated his victims like road kill,” Assistant U.S. Attorney William Stellmach told the judge yesterday before a courtroom packed with some of those victims. “Allen Stanford doesn’t deserve anyone’s sympathy, and he doesn’t deserve your honor’s mercy.”
One of the best examples of media sycophancy I’ve ever seen was the CNBC reporter who, prior to this guy’s spectacular fall, asked him if it was “fun being a billionaire.” Watch for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtRkZ3i1ERQ
“Because there is no proof of people actually TALKING to each other about decisions of how many houses each bank should release in each market?”
Tacit Collusion
Capitalism. LOL.
“…flight capitalists of Latin America…”
What defines membership in this group? I couldn’t tell from the name whether they are in the Latin American airline business or if they are trying to move, along with their money, from their home in Latin America to the U.S.
‘What defines membership in this group?’
Downtown Miami condo ownership?
What does “flight” have to do with that?
I read yesterday that south of the border buyers have bought up the Miami condos and the mayor is expecting more towers to be built. It could be baloney.
At least in Florida, I strongly suspect that money laundering is occurring. Aren’t most of these sales in cash?
My experience in Latin America is that the number of people who can afford to buy U.S. real estate, and who also wish to emigrate here, is not high. But certainly Miami condominium developments are heavily advertised on airline in-flight magazines.
As for foreign activity, I remember that, five or six years ago, German buyers were “snapping up” houses in Ft. Myers, of all places. I wonder how that’s worked out for them. UK citizens were buying in the Four Corners area, which to me has no appeal whatsoever.
It’s true. There are a lot of Germans in the Fort Myers area. Once an area becomes noticed by a particular group, their friends and friends of friends start buying in the same place. This is common for people moving to Florida from northern U.S. states, or buying places to spend the winter. Michigan has its favorite areas in SW and north central FL, New Yorkers like the West Palm/Fort Lauderdale/Boca area, etc. etc. It seems bizarre that Germany, of all places, would have a substantial number of its citizens going to Fort Myers when they have all those Mediterranean beaches much closer. Go figure.
“…money laundering is occurring…”
I have long wondered about the level of such activity in San Diego, given our proximity to drug cartel operations. I once asked an FBI agent I know about this. He opined this was not a serious problem, but I still have my doubts.
“For a two-storey home, the figures are even more dramatic: an owner would need to spend $9.30 of every $10 of median income earned toward their home and would require a qualifying annual income of $163,100 to borrow to buy a home valued at $865,500.”
Simple solution:
DON’T BUY STUFF YOU CAN’T AFFORD.
How many of you out there with a combined income of $163,100 would finance a used house that cost $865,500 if you could qualify?
Come on…raise your hands…don’t be shy.
These dollar amounts are staggering to me, what kind of life will you have?
A little change of pace here, but relating to our home purchase that closed in mid-March.For me it has been a rewarding life style change. Instead of getting bored and watching tv, falling asleep on the couch, I now have gone back to reading.Current book “The Scalpel and the Soul by A.J. Hamilton,MD”. Haven’t seen tv, read a paper, etc since the move (computer us). Spend more time out-of-doors and love having all my windows open without people walking by and looking in. No parking lot of cars lining the street in front of the house. Bottom line, less stress. It’s sunny here now and should turn out to be another wonderful day. Wishing everyone the same.
‘Instead of getting bored and watching tv, falling asleep on the couch, I now have gone back to reading.’
How does buying a house result in this?
You know Ben…. Didn’t you see the latest NAR commercial? “Research shows that buying a house results in smarter kids with better grades than those who rent.”
I’d venture to guess that the home buying population tends to have more people who care about their kids’ education. This correlates with income, and, as a general rule, home buyers tend to have higher incomes than renters.
So, I’m calling cart before horse on the latest NAR rhetoric.
Agreed.
Yup. Not being the sharpest tools in the shed, the Realtors® have mistaken effect for cause.
I saw that one the other day and about choked on my food. I think it was higher self-esteem and better grades.
And, by the way, of the nearly eighteen years before I left for college, my family rented for fourteen of them. No wonder I’m such a f___ up.
“I saw that one the other day and about choked on my food.”
Yeah…. to put it lightly. I was stunned at the level of misrepresentation on that one. Stunned.
“How does buying a house result in this?”
In our case, spending a year working many hours and saving hard for a down payment was key. Cable was the first thing to go. When we got the house a year and a half ago, we didn’t even consider cable. When network channels had to switch over to digital, we didn’t even get a bloody converter box for a year. The TV only goes on for Niners games in the fall. Our 17 month-old son had seen moving images on a computer screen, but this big thing in the living room that always just sat there without purpose really blew him away when I turned it on. Bad sign, I’m sure.
I have been renting for over seven years now, and my TV viewing time is as low as it has ever been in my life.
Cause you are at home depot everyday buying the things you will need to fix at your newly purchased house?
Haven’t seen tv, read a paper, etc since the move
I often forget how in the “desirable” parts of the country (where the jobs are) that a 300-400K house can be a total fixer upper, an endless source of weekend projects. Where I live a 300K house is a pristine McMansion.
“Where I live a 300K house is a pristine McMansion.”
As it should be.
My late aunt sold her tear-down house in Palo Alto for $825K in 2010. It had been so damaged in the 1989 earthquake that the front door was jammed shut.
The McMansion that was built on that lot is now for sale at $2.4 million.
If one is looking for nirvana in a house, most people are going to be sorely disappointed.
But, congrats on your purchase
Ben,
I like open space, organized open space. I like to do projects around the house that will make life easier. I’m very much into esthetics as they pertain to my surroundings; a parking lot of cars outside the house, kids in the street that don’t want to stop their basketball game for cars, windows curtains you can’t open without people looking in and virtually no yard is depressing. When renting we downsized from 2260 sq.ft. into 1300 sq.ft. but still kept enough furniture that looked nice in the rental but constrained mobility. I don’t do well trying to read on a bed, a kitchen table or the family-living area with a tv going. The new home we have moved into has lots of space (only had to buy a kitchen table as we can now put our dining room table in the dining room) and lends itself to reading and contemplating. The tv is sitting under plastic wrap in the garage. My wife bought me a classy leather chair for the family room where I can sit and read with classic music on my Bose radio and I have an outside view in two directions of trees, sky, grass and flowers. I can go into my backyard, big, peaceful, scenic with greenery and cloudy skies to read also. Maybe I’m anal but I need order, esthetics, flow not clutter in order to function. This move also allowed me to unpack many boxes of books as I now have bookshelves to place them on. Four bookshelves (29X52 inches) that are full and more stashed in the cabinets below them. I do need to cull some of them out. One of my favorites is “The Brain that Changes itself” by N. Doidge, MD. Most of my reading has been medical, historical, biographical even though I have other books on the shelves.
“Although the fact that nearly 29 percent of the homes in China’s capital, where demand for housing is enormous, are unoccupied has raised red flags for authorities, even more alarming is the fact that the vast majority of these units are being hoarded by developers and investors for speculative reasons.”
Does anyone have comparable figures for the percent of U.S. homes currently held off the market by hoarders, who assume they will be able to sell for a higher price later by holding on through the lean times?
‘That’s notable because escalating prices can make for risky decisions. Risky decisions can make for bad investments. And the recession was a lesson in where bad investments can lead.’
It’s amazing how many greater fools are left who failed to learn that recent lesson and are now standing in line for the next schooling in experience’s dear school for fools.
No bubble here - move along, nothing to see…
“It’s getting more difficult to pay the costs associated with home ownership in the Vancouver area and the tab is likely to rise more as interest rates rise, the Royal Bank said. The RBC figures assume an owner would need $155,900 of qualifying annual income to make mortgage payments on a bungalow priced at $832,600. Based on those figures, the owners would have to direct $8.89 of every $10 of median income earned each year toward mortgage payments, utility costs and property taxes, the RBC Housing Trends and Affordability report found.”
“For a two-storey home, the figures are even more dramatic: an owner would need to spend $9.30 of every $10 of median income earned toward their home and would require a qualifying annual income of $163,100 to borrow to buy a home valued at $865,500.”
The Canadian bubble puts to shame anything that happened in the US.
It’s hard to know which area is more insane. Check out this flip from Australia:
http://www.propertyobserver.com.au/renovating/having-pocketed-72000-in-richmond-the-block-2011-contestants-rod-and-tania-take-their-diy-skills-to-port-melbourne/2012061355102
“Last traded six decades ago, the cottage was described as a ‘premium opportunity that astute developers, renovators and investors will find too good to refuse’.
It was offered as an ultra-modern townhouse site but the couple are set to utilise the home’s period-inspired charm by restoring the home to its former glory.”
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Hilarious. That house once had glory? Melbourne is one of my favorite places in Australia but that price is ridiculous. Maybe they’re hoping to sell it to someone from China, which appears to be the whole world’s financial game plan right now.
or this beautiful $145,000 hole in the ground out in Coober Pedy. Its only a few hundred miles to the nearest town…
http://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-sa-coober+pedy-110701001
One Australian told me that Coober Pedy was notorious for eccentrics, possibly because daytime temperatures approach 50º C. She told me that people literally were living underground when they weren’t digging for opals.
That would be 122° F, BTW.
OMG.
$570,000 for that crack shack on a postage sized lot (and that is being kind to postage stamps).
Insane bubble. And everyone (including the banks) will scream that they were victims.
“….will scream that they were victims” …and never saw it coming.
“Last traded”.. they’re still trying to redefine our vocabulary to make this business seem normal.
And in Canada - the banks ALREADY have a TARP like law on the books.
Something doesn’t add up. Funds that have raised capital to purchase homes to rent are assuming ‘buy low’ ‘rent high’ logic. I saw one hedgie say they are purchasing homes for $70k and renting them out at $1500 per month. I don’t believe it.
Here in Tucson, fifteen hundred bucks is a lot of rent money. And it’s not like we have a shortage of rental housing. Last I heard, the local vacancy rate was around 15%. Or higher.
That’s a big number.
I’ve seen buying for ~$150k and renting out for $1,400. This was very infill (lower yields because of drum-tight vacancy rates).
I would assume when you get into higher vacancy markets, you might pay less, and get rents that aren’t much less (you’ll have a newer and potentially bigger home than the older infill stuff)…if you can find a tenant.
You may see that type of thing pencil out for an investor today, doubt it will hold up for long. I would not want to be on the ass end of rental wars with all of my numbers based on a dead cat bounce.
“Boise is one of a few U.S. cities that have seen a fast run-up in demand, and prices. Investors and homebuyers are in stiff competition, and both say there aren’t enough homes to go around. A year ago, Idaho had one of the highest foreclosure rates in the nation.”
I’m trying to figure out what’s going on here in Boise. This year many of the “stalled” developments went back into full-bore house construction. After the bubble burst one would presume that builders were chastened and are only building to demand.
Places with previously developed lots (with streets and utilities installed but left fallow since 2008) are not the only places with new construction taking place. Previously undeveloped subs are being plowed up, streets laid, and utilities installed. What’s that all about?
One theory could be that there’s local demand for $150K houses but not so much for $300K houses - the price during the bubble. A large proportion of houses sold during the bubble were sold to outside the state speculators who bought on leverage, pricing out the actual local buyers. Those out of state speculator really took it in the shorts when the bubble collapsed, and those foreclosures were subsequently sold at prices the local buyers could afford.
‘This year many of the “stalled” developments went back into full-bore house construction. After the bubble burst one would presume that builders were chastened and are only building to demand.’
Same story in North County San Diego…
I found another news article which states that the current supply is only 3 months worth here in Ada county.
http://www.prweb.com/releases/prwebBoise_Idaho/Real_Estate/prweb9589072.htm
And here’s another recent story.
http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=156918775&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10227
“A national survey by Corelogic ranks Boise as the second-most improved real estate market in the nation. Realtor.com lists the ‘City of Trees’ as one of the country’s top ten “Turnaround Towns.” And “Investors Business Daily” says the Boise area is one of the next real estate boomtowns in America.
The numbers support all that. Realtor.com said, compared to a year ago, there’s 40 percent fewer homes waiting to be sold and the median price is up almost 14 percent. Lofthus said foreclosures are down 40 percent.”
“‘They told us that they wouldn’t want to do that, because it would hurt them by driving down prices’ and they would not be able to process that many sales effectively, Baker said.”
Maybe the question that we should be asking is when will the banks and the GSEs no longer hold a sufficiently-large share of inventory that they will be unable to effectively control the market?
Or will they always?
I had a meeting with someone in Carmel today. While there I visited with an old friend who told me of a friend who had been buying and flipping houses in Salinas for the past year couldn’t find anything to buy and flip at the current prices. I do know of people who were looking and when things dropped below $300K with 4 beds they went into a bidding war.
“when things dropped below $300K with 4 beds they went into a bidding war.”
That’s about the top side of the howmuchamonth buyer’s ability to qualify with current interest rates in most areas.
Could this guy’s research possibly explain so many stupid real estate investing decisions?
P.S. My lovely wife’s answer to the question at the start of this article agreed with the wrong one most people confidently give. Being of the geek persuasion, the wrong answer first popped into my mind, but suspecting a trick, thought it through and figured out the correct answer before reading it in the article. The same proclivity to think things through saved us from using a zero-interest ARM to buy an overpriced San Diego house.
June 12, 2012
Why Smart People Are Stupid
Posted by Jonah Lehrer
Here’s a simple arithmetic question: A bat and ball cost a dollar and ten cents. The bat costs a dollar more than the ball. How much does the ball cost?
The vast majority of people respond quickly and confidently, insisting the ball costs ten cents. This answer is both obvious and wrong. (The correct answer is … for the ball and … for the bat.)
For more than five decades, Daniel Kahneman, a Nobel Laureate and professor of psychology at Princeton, has been asking questions like this and analyzing our answers. His disarmingly simple experiments have profoundly changed the way we think about thinking. While philosophers, economists, and social scientists had assumed for centuries that human beings are rational agents—reason was our Promethean gift—Kahneman, the late Amos Tversky, and others, including Shane Frederick (who developed the bat-and-ball question), demonstrated that we’re not nearly as rational as we like to believe.
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Read the same item in the book “Priceless.”
A chapter or two later, the author explains that people which supply the correct answer to the ‘bat and ball’ question were more susceptible to the affects of price anchoring.
The human species is completely fallible. Dribbling of REO’s will create greater fools out of those who may otherwise be the smartest in the room.