June 17, 2012

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Comment by Florida Is Going To Kill Me ®
2012-06-17 02:46:48

“In a broad sense, chalk up last week’s closure of Rock’s Precision Machining as another small-business failure linked to slumping demand. But the final blow was something more pervasive and problematic than many small businesses like to acknowledge: Billings to a key customer —namely, Honeywell — went unpaid for months, leaving the couple unable to keep up with their own bills.”

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/workinglife/delayed-payments-can-take-a-big-toll-on-small-businesses/1235879

Comment by The UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-06-17 08:01:12

Florida Is Going To Kill Me

It just made me walk with a limp. :)

 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-06-17 08:38:39

When a a customer doesn’t pay the first time, they are no longer a customer, but a thief, no matter who they are.

Too many small businesses make this mistake.

Comment by oxide
2012-06-17 09:14:34

Honeywell isn’t exactly a one-man fly-by-night, and they aren’t poor. Makes me wonder if Honeywell refused to pay for some other reason.

Comment by ecofeco
2012-06-17 09:23:49

Perhaps. That certainly is a possibility. But I’ve seen plenty of big companies stiff their vendors all the time and had my own customer try to rip me off.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 11:00:41

Given that corporations are now people, at least according to the SCOTUS, can a corporation be a thief and go to prison?

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-06-17 11:08:41

A corporation could definitely be a thief. But it can’t go to prison. Prison is only for squishy, water-dominant, carbon-based people.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-06-17 11:18:47

We all know that some people are more equal than others.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2012-06-17 11:56:01

Can a union, as opposed to the people who run it and belong to it, be corrupt and go to prison?

Unions are people too.

 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-06-17 16:42:34

A corporation could definitely be a thief. But it can’t go to prison. Prison is only for squishy, water-dominant, carbon-based people.

Prison is only for actual physical things, not logical constructs.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 20:44:39

Prison Speech is only for actual physical things people, not logical constructs.

 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-06-17 21:00:02

Honeywell brought suit recently against a company called Nest (founded by an ex-Apple, iPod guy). They are building a smart thermostat. It’s actually very cool. If this summer is too hot, we’ll install A/C, and then the Nest would really be worth it (it detects when you are away from the house, and adjusts the heating/cooling, also learns your patterns based on when you adjust the thermostat, is controllable from smartphones, etc.).

Anyway, Honeywell sued them for 7 different patent violations (drawing trickle power, programming the face of the thermostat, round dial, etc.).

So Nest hired away Apple’s patent guru, and they fought back. Turns out that pretty much all patents were prior art (ie. expired patents that Honeywell re-patented).

The good news is that now Nest is being sold at Apple Stores, it looks like they have a good defense against Honeywell, and have a shot at being a successful company with a cool (and cost saving) product.

When you compare a Honeywell thermostat to a Nest thermostat, you can see why Honeywell fired some serious guns at them.

In any event, the whole thing reeks of big guy trying to bully the little guy. It certainly hasn’t made me think well of Honeywell.

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Comment by Florida Is Going To Kill Me ®
2012-06-17 02:49:22

I can’t stand facebook. My wife posted something about my promotion, to which a bunch of people appropriately applied (congrats), and then one person mentions something inappropriate (comments about other workers), and it was up overnight until my wife deleted it.

I cannot believe how reckless people can be.

Comment by azdude
2012-06-17 06:48:48

never been on the site. seems like a total waste of time. just another way for the corporations to make reaching you easier.All about selling you more stuff. I dont need anymore fake friends. they almost try and make it a popularity site. U can brag how many fake friends u have.

I find something interesting about the ponzi ipo. there are 2.1 billion shares outstanding. Yet the float is only around 1.1 billion.
Basically insiders have a billion shares to dump on mom and pop when the lock up period expires, sad.

 
Comment by michael
2012-06-17 07:33:54

Rule number 1 - I never friend anyone I work with…ever. When someone gets offended I just explain “it’s the policy…and I can’t go against the policy”.

Comment by Awaiting
2012-06-17 07:46:59

michael
Are you saying you don’t socialize with them, or are you saying you keep your personal and private space to yourself?

FB is such a waste of time. Personally, I am not that narcisisstic that I am the center of my universe.

Comment by ecofeco
2012-06-17 08:41:52

In this country, that almost makes you a pariah.

FB is good for one thing: staying in touch with close friends and family. If your page isn’t heavily privatized and closed to the public, you are making a huge mistake.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2012-06-17 09:08:28

UNLESS you have a business and want people to patronize you.

Most all my friends are radio tv people or zydeco bands and a few friends but those i’ll call rather then post any personal info or replies…

 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-06-17 09:28:12

Funny you should mention that.

FB was never meant to be for businesses. In fact, in the early years, businesses were prohibited from using FB at all.

FB is certainly NOT the place I go for info about any business. If the info I’m looking for isn’t on their website, I don’t want to do business with them in the first place.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-06-17 09:39:56

Eco think of it as an aggregator they post recent info THEN if you want more you go to their website, or watch the latest youtube video

 
 
Comment by michael
2012-06-17 21:55:40

I meant “friend” them on facebook.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-06-17 10:51:29

Rule number 1 - I never friend anyone I work with…ever. When someone gets offended I just explain “it’s the policy…and I can’t go against the policy”.

I try to abide by the same rule. I don’t want work-friends to see something random and possibly NSFW posted on my page by someone else. There’s no return to balance out this risk.

I have other friends who have two separate FB accounts: one for work/other FB friends, and one for close friends/family. That approach solves the same problem as well.

 
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-06-17 16:50:23

“it’s the policy…and I can’t go against the policy”

Seinfeld?

 
 
Comment by oxide
2012-06-17 09:23:10

I never understood companies need to implore us to “visit us on Facebook.” Any company can post photos and updates and tweets to its heart’s desire on its own website.

Facebook is a webspace retailer, that’s all.

Comment by polly
2012-06-17 10:21:39

Web space retailers don’t get the information that a woman is engaged or pregnant before her closest friends do. Facebook often does. It is a collector of marketing data of incredible detail. I haven’t bothered to do it yet, but I set up a separate account on this computer to isolate a Facebook account on.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-06-17 10:59:36

polly, what does a separate account on your computer for FB buy you? Is your concern that they will troll through your local hard-drive looking for personal information?

I distrust FB, and think their business model is essentially evil, but even I don’t distrust them nearly that much—I don’t think they would be bad actors in that way.

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2012-06-17 14:06:27

Cookies, they trawl the cookies, and have co-sharing agreements behind the scenes. It’s all quite disturbing.

I don’t do facebook. Hasn’t hurt my social life at all, and I’m far from 40.

Waste of time, effort and energy.

The users are actually the product. The real audience is the advertisers.

 
Comment by polly
2012-06-17 14:26:37

What pussycat said.

I’ll get an FB account eventually, just to be able to see the updates on my niece and nephew, if nothing else, but I won’t access other parts of the internet from the same account. I don’t want FB to know what stores and cultural institutions I visit, what recipes I review, what newspaper articles I’m reading, etc. Or to feed other internet based businesses information about me that is gleaned from my facebook “friends” if not from actual information provided by me. I’m presuming that an entirely separate account on this computer will make some level of privacy much more likely.

Same reason I don’t have any google accounts. I use the search engine, so google knows something about me. But I don’t use g-mail. I don’t want them to be able to add information from my private e-mails to whatever they glean from my searches.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-06-17 16:18:51

You REALLY want to see who is tracking your moves then install this:

http://www.ghostery.com

Cookies, they trawl the cookies, and have co-sharing agreements behind the scenes. It’s all quite disturbing.

 
Comment by CA renter
2012-06-18 00:36:52

I also don’t trust FB and here’s why:

A couple of years ago, some friends called and wanted to share some pics of their recent ski trip on FB. I told them I didn’t have a FB account, and they talked me into getting one so I could see the pics.

Being a conspiracy theorist, I signed up under a fake name, but with my regular e-mail. The second I logged on, they sent me a notice with my mom’s best friend’s husband’s profile with the notation along the lines of: We think you might know this person.

It totally freaked me out, and it seemed rather obvious to me that they were going through the address book on my computer.

Also remember that Zuckerman is simply a snot-nosed hacker who illegally hacked into Harvard’s database and also illegally hacked into other people’s e-mail accounts. That was the genesis of Facebook.

DO NOT TRUST FACEBOOK.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Anon In DC
2012-06-17 09:43:33

FIGTKM,

Yesterday you posted your wife will have surgery and you need new tire and that will take all your discretionary money for the year.
Hope the surgery is minor and good luck.

It sounds like and from other posts you’ve shared your budget is a little tight. Keep your powder dry and and accumulate more before buying. Surgeries and new tires and new water heaters and furnaces and transmissions crop up all the time in life. Also good stuff crops up - maybe a friend or realtive gets a job in some really neat place and they say come visit for a week or two. But you don’t have a couple of grand for airfare and pocket money for a trip to Florence or Thailand or wherever because you have mortgage on a pile of bricks and sticks. Or you see a very good investment opportunity you might like to a flyer with - maybe just a thousand dollars but again there is that mortgage and property taxes sucking you dry.

PATIENCE PATIENCE PATIENCE

Comment by Florida Is Going To Kill Me ®
2012-06-17 12:40:30

Thanks Anon, the main thing that’s killing me right now is daycare for 2 children. It costs me about $20k/yr.

I will certainly keep my powder dry. Once my kids are in school, I’ll have a cushion.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-06-17 14:02:17

Lesson learned. Yes I do not discuss work on facebook, partly because I have friends from work. I like to post nonsense funny things or news links of interesting things that are not polemical.

 
Comment by Montana
2012-06-17 18:25:46

I love the way FB will let everyone know when guys are checking out T&A vids on Socialcam…complete with cleavage-shot thumbnail.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-06-17 20:14:17

So did you get caught?

 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-06-17 21:06:08

I spend about 5 minutes on FB once a month to see which high school friend got married/divorced, had a kid, etc. That’s about it. I rarely post.

I remember speaking with a woman at the gym prior to the IPO and noted how I didn’t see how FB could possibly make the kind of money necessary to justify the rumored $100B value. She quickly bragged about how she used FB frequently, and of course they would make money.

I asked her how much time she spent on it…5 minutes a day. LOL. Not really an advertisers dream…

More and more, people who want to be employable are going to dial back the FB…you’d be amazed at the stuff people post that is available for all to see.

 
 
Comment by Florida Is Going To Kill Me ®
2012-06-17 04:12:26

Happy Father’s Day!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcTjhXSmnmc&feature=related

Buy a house, you emasculated slug!

Comment by The UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-06-17 06:56:08

That dude hasn`t made a mortgage payment in four years.

Comment by combotechie
2012-06-17 07:15:09

Will the dude ever be up for parole?

Have the police ever located the wife’s body? Is Suzanne still listed as a missing person?

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 07:16:30

Not only that, but he is also divorced and unemployed.

 
 
Comment by rms
2012-06-17 07:07:04

I like that “in your face” rattlesnake twitch, “What?!”

Comment by Florida Is Going To Kill Me ®
2012-06-17 08:48:06

BTW, just watched the video from your handle’s link. Amazing. That should be broadcast until every US and A citizen has seen it.

 
 
 
Comment by Hard Rain
2012-06-17 04:57:02

Why are these guys even still in business?

Moody’s “very comfortable” with top Canada rating

TORONTO (Reuters) - Moody’s Investors Service is “very comfortable” with its top Aaa credit rating for Canada because the country’s fiscal and banking strength give it room to react to risks arising from the European debt crisis and Canada’s hot housing market, Moody’s chief analyst for Canada said on Thursday.

But even if a severe housing correction resulted in problem loans, Hess said Canada’s big banks would be able to manage without having to resort to government help.

“You don’t have the same thing that you had in the United States of people losing jobs before losing their houses. And also the legal framework surrounding foreclosures and whatever is different in Canada, and is more conducive to people continuing to service their loans.”

http://news.yahoo.com/moodys-very-comfortable-canadas-aaa-rating-153316386–sector.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CRJwd1PRCoAU5rQtDMD

Comment by ecofeco
2012-06-17 08:44:13

I give very little weight to ANYTHING coming from FIRE sector except to know when to duck.

The FIRE sector is as inbred an aristocracy as there ever was.

Comment by oxide
2012-06-17 09:25:40

I wouldn’t believe them if they told me when to duck. They probably want you to duck as a part of some short squeeze.

 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-06-17 11:19:11

And also the legal framework surrounding foreclosures and whatever is different in Canada, and is more conducive to people continuing to service their loans.”

I think that part is actually true; Canada is recourse, is it not?

Now as to the question of whether that is a sufficient difference to actually minimize the damage caused by the bubble, I somehow doubt it.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-06-17 12:40:46

I wonder how many Canucks will seek refuge from their mortgage creditors by moving to the USA?

 
 
 
Comment by Hard Rain
2012-06-17 04:59:44

US Housing Continues To Weigh On The Banking Sector

Banks in the United States have maintained the same level of exposure to residential real estate—around 40 per cent of their total loan books—since 2006

REO are properties that are associated with defaulted mortgages and that have not been disposed of following foreclosure proceedings. At an estimated 400,000 units, the volume of REO properties was broadly unchanged over the second half of 2011.

The number of REO properties is strongly influenced by developments in housing activity and prices. If the housing market remains soft (or worsens), an increasing number of the currently delinquent mortgages would default. At the same time, banks would find it difficult to sell defaulted properties at favourable prices. This would lead to a rise in the REO properties held by banks.”

Read more: http://pragcap.com/u-s-housing-continues-to-weigh-on-the-banking-sector#ixzz1y3EOVnZP

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 06:36:41

I guess we will have to keep artificially prop up housing prices forever, in order to save the banks?

Comment by azdude
2012-06-17 06:42:14

that appears to be the grand plan. debt slaves for life.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-06-17 08:46:15

No Banker Left Behind!

 
 
 
Comment by The UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-06-17 05:27:37

“There’s going to be a lot of empty space.”

I thought they weren`t making anymore land.

Detroit Shrinks Itself, Historic Homes and All

May 14, 2010

By ALEX P. KELLOGG

DETROIT—Wrecking crews are preparing to tear down a landmark 5,000-square-foot house in the posh neighborhood of Palmer Woods in the coming weeks, a sign that Detroit is finally getting serious about razing thousands of vacant and abandoned structures across the city.

In leveling 1860 Balmoral Drive, the boyhood home of one-time presidential candidate and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Detroit is losing a small piece of its history. But the project is part of a demolition effort that is just now gaining momentum and could help define the city’s future.

Detroit is finally chipping away at a glut of abandoned homes that has been piling up for decades, and intends to take advantage of warm weather and new federal funding to demolish some 3,000 buildings by the end of September.

Mayor Dave Bing has pledged to knock down 10,000 structures in his first term as part of a nascent plan to “right-size” Detroit, or reconfigure the city to reflect its shrinking population.

When it’s all over, said Karla Henderson, director of the Detroit Building Department, “There’s going to be a lot of empty space.”

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703950804575242433435338728.html - 165k

Comment by scdave
2012-06-17 07:28:49

If those houses were being demolished in California given our environmental laws and landfill fee’s the city could not afford to do it…No more pushing into a pile and hauling to the dump…Asbestos is everywhere in the material of a house this old…Just the asbestos removal alone in this house would cost a bundle…

Comment by azdude
2012-06-17 07:35:09

so how would you deal with it in CA?

Comment by scdave
2012-06-17 07:55:01

Iam not sure given the number of houses and their age…I just know a municipality would not be able to afford to do it unless they were exempted from all the regulations for it..

Then you have the CEQA reg’s which mandate a environmental review of any demolition of a house built prior to 1950…Theses laws actually can deny your ability to tear a house down, or significantly modify its exterior if its considered Architecturally sensitive…Point being, you probably would not be able to do it here….Read more here if you like;

California Environmental Quality Act
The California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) is a California statute passed in … mandatory part of every California state and local …

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Comment by azdude
2012-06-17 08:14:39

thanks dude had know idea it could be such a hassle just to tear down a house in CA. they get you coming and going.

So I guess you need an EIR to tear down a home built < 1950? that could cost you thousands.

 
Comment by scdave
2012-06-17 08:24:52

The planning departments through their review could declare the application as exempt…If not, an EIR could be required and its not only the cost of a EIR its also the time…6-12 months maybe…

 
Comment by SUGuy
2012-06-17 08:37:56

You bring up a good point. In NY state and Syracuse they have been doing the following.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/07/judge_rules_developers_must_pa.html

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2012-06-17 12:26:28

Two old guys meet in a bar in Florida and strike up a conversation. Turns out they were both small business owners. The one guy says he decided to retire after his business burned down. The other said, what a coincidence, I decided to retire after my business was flooded out. After a pause the first guy said, “How do you start a flood?”

 
Comment by The UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-06-17 16:50:29

“How do you start a flood?”

:)

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-06-17 21:12:49

If you think it’s tough tearing down a house, try building a new one.

You can often avoid an EIR for minor things with a “neg dec”, negative declaration. However, if you want to do anything that could have a significant impact (doesn’t qualify for the neg dec), it can be a nightmare. It regularly takes many, many years to get anything through a city.

When CEQA first came out, it was a short process…over time, it has grown into a monstrous beast.

There are now new issues in addition to CEQA in CA (doing reports to study the effect of new development on greenhouse gas emissions, for instance; at least one City that I’m aware of). That will start out short, and then also grow.

Getting new development approved in California is a massive barrier to entry, even IF demand for new homes came back quickly, it would take A LONG time for the supply to come on line.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-06-17 23:19:14

P.S. Compliance with CEQA is quite complicated, and thus, is one of the main ways environmentalists sue to stop a development…thus causing further delays.

 
 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2012-06-17 09:42:31

According to the aricle, that part of Detroit is one of the populated and better parts of town — it’s not as if it were the last house on an empty block. Why hasn’t somebody bought and rehabbed the house? Like, say R-money himself? Instead, Romney just said “it was sad.”

If I knew my childhood home were going to be razed and I had $200M in the bank, you bet I would try to save it.* If nothing else, I would rent it to a friend for $10 a month in return for keeping it up.

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*especially if I knew that I would have a good chance of being President. That’s a potential historic site, and Romney is going to let it go. Piker.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-06-17 11:33:12

and new federal funding to demolish some 3,000 buildings by the end of September.

Why should the federal government be sending tax dollars from every other state to pay for demolishing houses in Detroit (or anywhere else, for that matter)?

This is fundamentally a local issue, and should be funded locally.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-06-17 13:59:46

Those areas should become greenbelts in Detroit. It has the opportunity to create an environmentally and bike-friendly mega park all through the city. I would like to see that run by private development.

Comment by polly
2012-06-17 14:32:24

How many people would be willing to pay how much to access a “bike-friendly mega park” in Detroit? What would the cash flow be? What would it cost to build? What would it cost to maintain, run and police?

Now, explain to me why private developers would want to have anything to do with it.

 
 
 
Comment by palmetto
2012-06-17 05:39:35

Rajat Gupta, insider trading conviction. Any thoughts? Is he the sacrificial lamb at Goldman?

Comment by palmetto
2012-06-17 05:52:41

“Mr Das also highlighted the “glaring” contrast between an erratic and slow-moving Indian legal system that often protects the well-connected, and the swift and harsh punishment handed out by the powerful US courts. “We sometimes catch [people] but we don’t convict,” he said. “What the US system is saying is that no one is above the law.”

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/0a7a4fc2-b832-11e1-86f1-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1y3QhVw3A

Wow, do we have them fooled, or what?

Comment by Carl Morris
2012-06-17 09:30:17

Yeah, I think he failed to recognize who isn’t “well connected” here.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 06:41:35

Here’s a thought: While dark-skinned people born in other countries may be underrepresented as a share of the Wall Street work force, they are disproportionately targeted for investigations of financial crime. I guess it hurts to lack those Skull and Bones society connections.

Comment by azdude
2012-06-17 06:58:16

I wonder what percent of insider traders get caught? I’m thinking < 1%.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-06-17 11:36:33

WAY less than that.

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2012-06-17 14:11:26

While dark-skinned people born in other countries may be underrepresented as a share of the Wall Street work force, they are disproportionately targeted for investigations of financial crime.

Except the Attorney General of New York is of Indian-origin so your argument doesn’t hold water.

He’s ambitious. He logically went after cases that can actually be prosecuted and won.

Winning 100% of the cases that you start is the way to get into political office for an AG. So you are conservative about what you actually bring to trial.

polly may wish to chime in here but my logic is entirely sound.

 
Comment by palmetto
2012-06-17 14:34:42

Not to mention, I don’t think Blankfein and Dimon are Skull & Bones. The Ivy League club thing is really past history on Wall Street. The effetes have been replaced by tough guys with credentials from educational institutions outside of the Ivy League. And yes, this was Preet Bharara’s show.

 
Comment by polly
2012-06-17 14:42:27

I’ve been trying to explain to the posters on this blog that the main aim of prosecutors is to only try cases that they can win for ages. I can’t figure out how to convince them it is the primary motivator. If you can, please be my guest.

The only reason this case was brought to trial is that the guy bought a large number of shares in the minutes between a private meeting getting out at GS and the information being made public and that gigantic coincidence was enough to get a wire tap. Then they talked too much.

Prosecutors don’t get paid more by bringing more cases. So you have to look at what rewards they want and what will get them to those rewards. Now things are a little different with violent crimes, but white collar prosecutors? I wouldn’t be surprised if you told me 80% of them have conviction rates over 90%. We can’t get counsel to back us up on anything that isn’t pretty much a slam dunk - carbon copy of the last case they won is preferred. It is a great annoyance.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 15:11:56

OK — I’m fine with my conjectures getting shot down.

 
 
 
Comment by rms
2012-06-17 07:15:21

“I guess it hurts to lack those Skull and Bones society connections.”

The original sub-prime mortgage king, Roland Arnall, was a reclusive puppet-master relying on managers for a public face as well as scapegoating.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-06-17 08:56:10

As I’ve been saying, there are plenty of folks going to jail for financial fraud, it’s just that there are so many of them it takes time to process them all.

A quick google found this article. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57336042/prosecuting-wall-street/

The money quote is on the first page:

“Kroft: How much fraud was there at Countrywide?

Foster: From what I saw, the types of things I saw, it was– it appeared systemic. It, it wasn’t just one individual or two or three individuals, it was branches of individuals, it was regions of individuals.

Kroft: What you seem to be saying was it was just a way of doing business?

Foster: Yes.

In 2007, Foster sent a team to the Boston area to search several branch offices of Countrywide’s subprime division - the division that lent to borrowers with poor credit. The investigators rummaged through the office’s recycling bins and found evidence that Countrywide loan officers were forging and manipulating borrowers’ income and asset statements to help them get loans they weren’t qualified for and couldn’t afford.”

While the article is about lack of prosecution, it also shows why. The why being the sheer scale of it all.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-06-17 11:39:26

While the article is about lack of prosecution, it also shows why. The why being the sheer scale of it all.

That is such a LAME excuse.

Selling drugs is done in this country on a HUGE scale as well. It doesn’t stop us from prosecuting it.

Typically, they go for small fish, and try to flip them to get the big fish.

With so many small fish to choose from at Countrywide, it would have be TRIVIAL to flip them up to some higher-level managers who were tacitly or explicitly approving all of this systemic fraud.

It should have been like shooting fish in a barrel. And yet they did nothing.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2012-06-17 12:30:22

“Despite his populist posturing, the president has failed to pin a single top finance exec on criminal charges since the economic collapse.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/05/06/why-can-t-obama-bring-wall-street-to-justice.html

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Comment by Neuromance
2012-06-17 16:49:35

Lame excuse indeed:

“This stands in stark contrast to the failure of many savings and loan institutions in the late 1980s. In the wake of that debacle, special government task forces referred 1,100 cases to prosecutors, resulting in more than 800 bank officials going to jail.

Not foreign inside traders. Actual bank employees related to the crisis.

Among the best-known: Charles H. Keating Jr., of Lincoln Savings and Loan in Arizona, and David Paul, of Centrust Bank in Florida. ”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/14/business/14prosecute.html?pagewanted=all

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Comment by Rental Watch
2012-06-17 21:15:02

And there have been a bunch of people in CA who have admitted to collusion on the courthouse steps with respect to buying foreclosures and then re-selling them at private auction and splitting the profits. There are big and little crooks everywhere.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 23:05:12

I heard at the HBB gathering last night about a scam where a Realtor® and a cooperating flipper set up a deal to convince the lender who owns the REO to sell for below market, then the flipper holds on for a bit before marking up to market and selling. I’m not entirely clear on how this works, except it somehow assumes the home never goes on the MLS and is instead sold off-market for below market.

Why wouldn’t the REO-owner just auction off the home for the highest offer, perhaps extending the sale period for as long as necessary to find a buyer willing to pay a suitable amount?

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Comment by Rental Watch
2012-06-17 23:30:05

Our experience with banks is that they are far less organized than you think. A piece of REO isn’t for sale, and then, 20 days before quarter end, they realize they do want to sell before Q end, and force a fire sale.

This is primarily with commercial properties though.

The other piece to consider is that there are personalities and face-saving within the bank. Once a deal has been approved to be sold, the guy who pushed through the approval doesn’t want to go back to his bosses to say the deal didn’t close. Likewise, if a person at the bank is tasked with selling a certain amount of properties by quarter end, they don’t want to tell their boss they failed.

My point is simply that banks operate in ways that sometimes don’t make sense if the asset were owned by a single individual making all the decisions.

I imagine the way the broker and his buddy are screwing the bank has something to do with troubled appraisers and desiring a quick sale. In the SF Bay Area (near Mountain View), I have heard that REO is only going to all-cash buyers. Why would a bank do this in a market that is doing well? The only reason I can figure out is that there were lots of false starts with appraisers/obtaining financing being a problem that stalled/stopped sales.

All cash avoids the financing problem and provides speed. (ask yourself if banks only seeking all-cash buyers is consistent with banks not really wanting to sell…)

Anyway, I’m sure the broker fed the bank a line about his buyer being logical and all cash, and showed some comps to justify the price. However, do you think the person making the decision within the bank even walked through the home? Doubtful. So they pick some garbage homes as comps, and choose REO that wasn’t trashed. Poof, instant margin for the buyer, and quick sale for the bank…the bank thinks it’s great and justifiably priced. The buyer knows better.

 
Comment by CA renter
2012-06-18 00:57:20

Hi PB!

Not the lender on an REO, but the “seller” (FB/owner) of a short-sale.

The listing agent often has an agreement with the seller to sell to a known party at a below-market price to either live in (purchase a home for an unusually low price in a given neighborhood), OR they have arrangements with others to sell the home at a below-market price, then get the bank to take it by claiming it’s the “highest and best” offer. Then, once that transaction is complete, they flip it for market price, often splitting the profit between agent and seller (and other related parties on occasion).

 
Comment by CA renter
2012-06-18 00:58:51

Adding:

I HAVE seen odd REO sales for well below market price, but the most egregious transactions seem to occur with short sales.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by The UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-06-17 05:40:59

In Colorado

I hope you and your family are safe. I`m not sure if you like prayers or not but you got mine anyway.

Wildfire destroys most homes in Colo. history

By THOMAS PEIPERT, AP
4 hours ago

DENVER — Crews in northern Colorado braced for powerful fire-fanning winds Saturday as they battle a blaze that has scorched about 85 square miles of mountainous forest land and destroyed at least 181 homes, the most in state history.

The destructiveness of the High Park Fire burning 15 miles west of Fort Collins surpassed the Fourmile Canyon wildfire, which destroyed 169 homes west of Boulder in September 2010.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-06-17 06:59:20

Thanks, prayers are always welcome.

The 181 homes destroyed were those in semi-rural areas. Fortunately the fire remains safely distant from Fort Collins and Loveland.

Out here, a “trophy” house is usually built on acreage, and is especially desirable if it’s in the foothills, where the fires are burning.

Comment by Montana
2012-06-17 11:52:36

Same thing here…our spendiest places are all like that.

Think of the money spent to save those trophy homes in the trees.

 
 
 
Comment by Truth
2012-06-17 05:53:19

Rental rates are falling. DO NOT believe the paid liars steering public opinion on the internet.

Don’t believe me? See for yourself.

“The largest year-over-year percent declines in rental prices were observed in Denver (-8.8%), Chicago (-4.8%) and Los Angeles (-2.6%). Atlanta was the only market that saw a significant rise in rental prices, increasing 6.3% from $737 to $783 between Q1 2011 and Q1 2012.”

http://newsroom.transunion.com/MediaLibraries/TransUnion/Documents/graphics/1Q12/Q1-2012_SolutionsReport.pdf

Comment by The UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-06-17 07:22:41

Around here Section 8 pays top dollar and helps keep the rents artificially high. $1,300 for a couple of 3/2 townhouse units I know about in a developement where the last few sales were $50 to $60k.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-06-17 11:44:22

Holy cow, that’s a great business model.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2012-06-17 09:51:46

Washington DC: -1.2%

So if a rental was $2000 last year, this year it’s $1980. At that rate the rent on my old townhome will meet my PITI in 18 years.

The rent is probably down b/c of SFH landlords trying to attract renters to their falling apart dump. Plenty of those around my neighborhood.

Comment by Truth
2012-06-17 11:21:16

They’re all “falling apart dumps”. Houses depreciate.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-06-17 13:56:30

True. And most people forget this. They have a time horizon of 20 years. The problem from this last bubble in Phoenix and Las Vegas is that it will be 30 or 40 years before many of the houses bought in 2006/2007 reach the 2006/2007 price levels, if inflation is factored in.

The bottom line is “location, location, location.” Ocean view homes in California, lofts in Manhattan, The Hamptons, Martha’s Vineyard, resort areas such a Jackson Hole and Aspen - those are long term prime locations that temporarily lose value but in the long run (as long as the climate does not change) will be good RE purchases.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 15:13:53

Agreed. The tricky part (apparently) is figuring out when Coastal Cali has bottomed out. I don’t believe it has yet, but my crystal ball is quite murky…

 
Comment by Truth
2012-06-17 15:18:01

Actually, “location location location” is merely another realtor marketing technique to get you to pay far more than the property is worth.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 15:26:32

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Comment by Truth
2012-06-17 16:12:23

When a liar and charlatan the magnitude of Pinocchio Lereah invokes the expression “location location location”, you know it’s a magnificent lie.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-06-17 21:17:28

National average, increase of 4.4% year on year from the same slide. They hand picked a few markets for the slide in addition to the national average.

How again are rental rates falling?

Comment by Truth
2012-06-18 04:34:48

When a liar and charlatan like Rental Watch continues to misrepresent the truth about housing, watch your wallet.

Comment by Rental Watch
2012-06-18 08:28:27

Wow. That’s pathological. Do the words on the page no longer mean what they say?

Or do only some words mean what they say, and other words do not?

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Comment by Truth
2012-06-18 09:37:49

You are either pathological or have stake in the direction of prices.

We know which.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Darrell on Vacation
2012-06-17 05:58:03

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-06-16 18:22:35
“It was a matter of living below ones means and saving. No one held a gun to my head and told me to buy a house, SUV, or breed like a rabbit. So the fault lies with those who chose not to save.

Reverse “Poof.”

What you fail to acknowledge is that those people spending more than they earn by borrowing fiat money into existence is what enabled you to earn more than you spent.

Think about it. What if EVERY American that overspent had not. How much less economic activity would there have been? How much would that have lowered your income.

It is possible for one individual to spend less than they earn. It is impossible for everyone to do so.

And, now that you have accumulated 1 million units of their debt, what good does that do you if all those fools in debt suddenly decide to not pay?

Comment by ecofeco
2012-06-17 09:02:42

Bill also assumes that millions of people did not lose their jobs in very short periods of time from outsourcing AND multiple recessions and were never able find another job at their former income… combined with real inflation being in the double digits.

Just like the mythical welfare queen, the number of people being irresponsible were actually only a small percentage of the total number affected.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-06-17 11:48:53

It is possible for one individual to spend less than they earn. It is impossible for everyone to do so.

I still don’t buy that, Darrell. You continue to say it, but that doesn’t make it true.

Imagine that the savings that Bill is putting away is being DCA’ed into the markets. So he bought some shares of a mutual fund. That fund bought shares of stock. Those shares of stock were previously held by a pension fund, which sold some to meet distributions. The cash from the sale was sent off to a set of old people who spent it for monthly expenses.

In the end, the money got spent. It was not destroyed. And it will continue to circulate through the economy.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-06-17 13:52:08

Some of this money invested also went to grow the business. Stock ownership is the same as owning part of a business and providing capital for such growth. Suppose Apple could not issue stock and no venture capitalists were wealthy enough to give it what it needed to grow. It would have died a couple of decades ago.

I don’t buy what Darrel says here for an instant.

Moreover, I also diversify into municipal bonds and treasuries since I’m well beyond age 40. It would be foolish for someone older than 45 to be 100% into stocks but that is JMO.

Comment by polly
2012-06-17 20:42:08

“Some of this money invested also went to grow the business. ”

Not unless you were buying the initial offering of the stock, it didn’t. If you bought shares on the regular market, all you did was allow someone else to sell their share of the business because they thought their money would be more useful elsewhere.

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Comment by Truth
2012-06-17 06:01:28

Bel Air, Ca housing prices down 33% and falling…. but I thought Bel Air was “desireable”? Uh huh.

Don’t get scammed by the scammers posting here.

http://realestate.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=20816644

Comment by rms
2012-06-17 07:56:45

“The good news is that homebuyers, incentivized by low interest rates and government tax credits, are making it possible to sell otherwise unsellable properties.”

Doesn’t incentivized (new word?) really mean chumming?

Comment by Ben Jones
2012-06-17 08:19:08

Here’s an update on the person I know in Flagstaff who was incentivized by a 3% down VA loan, which was pre-approved at $300k. As I’ve mentioned he bought a foreclosure, it was priced 30k under all the other houses for sale on the street. After about 15 months he’s underwater. Now his boss is giving him problems at work (this was known for a while, but the pride of ownership was too irresistible). So he’s making plans to get another job and leave town.

Planning to sell; told me he ‘won’t take’ less than he owes. I can say this sense of denial about the price is a complete reversal of his attitude prior to becoming one of the landed class. He used to say about this house or the other; ‘They’re insane! They’ll never get that much!’

I’ve also said before, what one person does won’t make much of a difference. This guy will get over it, how ever it turns out. But what millions of people do will affect us all:

‘(Reuters) - More than 1 million Americans who have taken out mortgages in the past two years now owe more on their loans than their homes are worth, and Federal Housing Administration loans that require only a tiny down payment are partly to blame.’

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/26/us-usa-housing-negative-idUSBRE83P12E20120426

If this market is so healthy, why can’t people put 20% down? Hell even 10%? Because they can’t in most cases.

If the economy is so strong, why are interest rates abnormally low? Why are govt low-rate loans the only thing going on?

And why aren’t people in DC or the media making these same points, instead of rah-rahing the housing market?

Comment by azdude
2012-06-17 08:36:13

good points I think the only solution the powers have is to get prices going back up and create a new feeding frenzy.

the economy has become way to dependent on home equity and stock prices. Working and saving appears to be losing luster.

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Comment by ecofeco
2012-06-17 09:08:59

Working and saving as a way to get ahead was destroyed when Reagan took office.

Deregulation, recalculation of inflation and the acceleration of offshoring jobs were the prime culprits.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-06-17 09:06:37

“And why aren’t people in DC or the media making these same points, instead of rah-rahing the housing market?”

Because much of their own financial portfolio is in RE.

Remember Level 3? Remember that the big investment houses refused to detail what those were/are? I wonder why? (rhetorical question. It’s obvious it’s RE investments)

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Comment by oxide
2012-06-17 09:31:45

ecofeco, much of the financial portfolio of their constituents is in RE… their own home.

 
Comment by Truth
2012-06-17 11:31:35

A depreciating liability like a house isn’t in a “financial portfolio”.

 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-06-17 11:53:21

Planning to sell; told me he ‘won’t take’ less than he owes. I can say this sense of denial about the price is a complete reversal of his attitude prior to becoming one of the landed class.

Ben, perhaps what he really means by “won’t take less than he owes” is that he would prefer to walk away than to bring money to closing.

If he is either in a non-recourse state, or has no other assets worth pursuing (and is willing to BK to wipe the slate and ensure that the liability doesn’t come back to haunt him in 10yrs), that is probably the smart move…

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Comment by Rental Watch
2012-06-17 21:49:31

Median prices with small subsets of areas (single neighborhoods) is about as misleading as you can get.

Comment by Rental Watch
2012-06-17 21:53:49

P.S. Zillow’s home price index (which matches up like homes, similar to Schiller, not just a median) has Bel Air UP 4.8% year on year.

http://www.zillow.com/local-info/CA-Los-Angeles-home-value/r_12447/

P.P.S. Los Angeles has a whole however, is still showing DOWN 4.6% year on year.

 
 
 
Comment by palmetto
2012-06-17 06:11:26

Republicans worried that PAUL could tarnish the image of the party? Seriously?

“Delegate Bethany Gates of Benton County worried that going with Paul could tarnish the image of the party - and the state’s first-in-the-nation caucus status.”

http://app1.kuhf.org/articles/npr1339929068-Raucus-Iowa-Convention-May-Signal-Whats-To-Come.html

Comment by WT Economist
2012-06-17 06:46:07

Please. Who do you trust, Ron Paul or Mitch McConnell?

 
Comment by SV guy
2012-06-17 06:46:34

Tarnish the image of the party?

These people really have no idea, do they?

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2012-06-17 07:42:14

‘Why the rancor in Iowa? Many longtime party activists say supporters ‘Paul backers will make up all but a handful of Iowa’s 28 delegates going to Tampa. Of the 25 delegates up for a vote at the convention, 21 support Paul. They are unbound, meaning they can vote for whomever they choose at the national convention.’

‘Delegate Bethany Gates of Benton County worried that going with Paul could tarnish the image of the party - and the state’s first-in-the-nation caucus status. ‘So far, we’ve already had two different candidates that are declared a winner,’ she said. ‘If we go to national with a third candidate … we are going to look ridiculous.’

Well Bethany, maybe the GOP shouldn’t declare a winner until after the state conventions, which is the actual vote, after all.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 07:48:27

‘…we are going to look ridiculous.’

That seems like a given, regardless of the particulars.

 
 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2012-06-17 06:28:00

The Center for Retirement Research is shocked, shocked to find out that in 2010 the generations born after 1955 were significantly poorer, adjusted for inflation, than older generations had been at the same points in their lives a decade earlier.

http://fsp.bc.edu/progress-stalls-for-young-adults/

That is because it is a relatively new organization. The same trend could have been observed 10, 20, or 30 years ago.

My generation, the back half of the baby boom, has been worse off than the Woodstock generation had been at the same age not only at age 45 to 54, as in 2000, but in every decade before. But we are merely the first to be less well off than those who came before. Gen X has been worse off than we were, on average, at every age, and Gen Y is worse off still.

The data in the first chart is based on median household income. Data based on the median wage would have shown a much steeper trend going back much farther, because it was obscured at first by a rising number of workers per household.

The richest generations, now age 55 to 74, are going to have to sell their houses to the much less well off generations who follow. Unless they sell to foreign investors who rent them out.

Meanwhile, those 54 and under will really become worse off when they become older themselves, because income tends to fall in retirement and for us and our children it will be falling from a lower level. Plus our taxes will be higher to pay back all the debts, and we may not get Social Security.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 06:52:03

“My generation, the back half of the baby boom, has been worse off than the Woodstock generation had been at the same age not only at age 45 to 54, as in 2000, but in every decade before.”

In the early-1980s, when the first time alarm bells went off over the future solvency of Social Security, Alan Greenspan loaded the entitlement liabilities of the Woodstock generation onto the backs of the back half of the baby boom by hiking the payroll tax rate to 15.3% (employer + employee). That worked great at the time, when the wave of baby boom retirements was years away.

Now as the wave is cresting and crashing into the shore, the dependency ratio of retirees to active workers is rising, a problem greatly exacerbated by job losses in the Great Recession. Luckily our politicians are actively engaged in a discussion of how to fix this pressing problem, and a solution is readily forthcoming.

Comment by WT Economist
2012-06-17 07:50:59

The way I’ve been able to explain Social Security it this.

Imagine you have a 401K. During the years you are working, you steadily put in plenty of money to fund your retirement.

But then, as people are allowed to do, you borrow all the money from the 401K as fast as you put in in, and spend it on your short term needs/wants.

Now, as retirement approaches, your 401K balance is $500,000. But that money isn’t actually there — it is in the form of loans you now owe yourself. But you can’t pay them back.

So you demand that the next generation pay it back instead, because you are owed the $500,000.

Comment by combotechie
2012-06-17 08:46:22

Except in the 401K case the participant had the choice to borrow or not to borrow, but as to Social Security the participant wasn’t given the choice.

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-06-17 12:34:21

Would we be better off if SS funds had been invested in the stock market or gold or real estate? What should the government have done with the money collected?

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Comment by ecofeco
2012-06-17 09:32:53

This was predicted as far back as the mid 1980s.

Comment by ahansen
2012-06-17 22:22:54

It was predicted as far back as the early 1960’s by Paul Earlich and Rachel Carson. I remember hearing about it throughout my childhood, teens, and young addledhood. By the time we reached college age, there was no hope of ever catching up to our parents relative income.

Things are tough all over. ;-)

 
 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-06-17 12:26:32

“the Woodstock generation “

August 15 to August 18, 1969.

Those 18 and older at the time of Woodstock were born in 1951 and earlier. 1955 is an arbitrary cutoff. If the statistics were available for 1951-1955 versus, 1946-1951, I expect they would show a drop off in assets as well.

 
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-06-17 17:06:54

Reminds me of this article I ran across last year.

Generation X Doesn’t Want to Hear It

posted 17 October, 2011

http://www.emptyage.com/post/11591863916/generation-x-doesnt-want-to-hear-it

Comment by ahansen
2012-06-17 22:28:14

Nice.

 
 
 
Comment by The UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-06-17 06:53:22

1989 to 2012
What a long strange trip it`s been.

4416 Gardenia Dr Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410
$229,000

Status:New
Beds:3 Bed
Baths:2 Bath
House Size:1,842 Sq Ft
Year Built:1964
Added to Site
June 14, 2012
Data Source: MLS
MLS ID: R3289156

Location Address 4416 GARDENIA DR
Municipality PALM BEACH GARDENS

Sales Date Price

OCT-2006 $360,000

AUG-2003 $240,000

APR-2000 $138,000

MAR-1989 $122,000

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 07:18:53

Looks like there is still a ways to go to get back to 1989 prices.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 07:25:07

By contrast, there are parts of California where prices are already there:

Property History for 2629 MEADOW CREST Ct
Date Event Price Appreciation Source
Jun 03, 2012 Price Changed $175,500 – EBRD #40572698
May 04, 2012 Listed (New) $214,900 – EBRD #40572698
Sep 06, 2011 Sold (Public Records)
This home was foreclosed
and bank-owned
. $351,000 – Public Records
Apr 08, 2005 Sold (Public Records) $552,000 15.6%/yr Public Records
May 03, 2000 Sold (Public Records) $269,500 0.9%/yr Public Records
Jun 09, 1988 Sold (Public Records) $242,000 – Public Records

Comment by The UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-06-17 07:49:38

“By contrast, there are parts of California where prices are already there:”

Oh there are parts of Palm Beach County that are also there. The Gardenia Dr Palm Beach Gardens house above is in a decent hood, most everything in a much less desirable neighborhoods have already been allowed to fall back to 80`s prices and below.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 06:56:10

It’s all Greek to me (well in this case, Korean) — except for that one word.

[비즈 칵테일] 오늘 시황은 그리스 선거 결과가 답한다
국내외 증시 크게 요동칠 듯, 어느 쪽이든 ‘일희일비’ 교차

국제신문
이은정 기자 ejlee@kookje.co.kr
2012-06-17 20:23

덧글
좋아요

미투데이
싸이월드 공감
트위터
페이스북

기사주소복사
스크랩
인쇄
글씨 크게
글씨 작게

세계의 이목이 집중된 그리스 총선 재선거가 17일 진행됐다. 우리나라 시간으로 18일 오전 발표될 이 선거 결과에 따라 국내 증시는 물론 전 세계 경제가 요동칠 것이다. 따라서 당장 이날 국내 증시가 어떤 형태로든 영향을 받을 수밖에 없다.

그리스 총선 재선거 결과는 그리스의 유로존 탈퇴를 의미하는 그렉시트(Grexit) 여부를 가늠하는 시금석이 될 것으로 보인다. 이어 열리는 G20(주요 20개국) 정상회담과 EU재무장관 회의에도 관심이 쏠리고 있다.

Comment by azdude
2012-06-17 07:37:28

troika will save them.

 
Comment by The UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-06-17 07:59:59

“싸이월드 공감”

I can`t believe they said that! Where is the outrage?

 
Comment by Florida Is Going To Kill Me ®
2012-06-17 08:53:21

I just did google streetview. Seriously? That’s about a $60k house.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 07:15:31

If sellers think it is tough to get those 2006 prices for their homes today, just wait until the end of 2012, when 30-year mortgage rates are anticipated to be 49 bps higher than now (4.2% versus the current 3.71%).

I did a little spreadsheet comparison to see how much that would shave off a 30-year buyer’s potential principle loan balance, assuming the same monthly payment. The calculation is easily done in MS Excel, using this formula:

=1-PV(0.042/12,12*30,1)/PV(0.0371/12,12*30,1).

This shows that the 49 bps increase in 30-year mortgage rates would knock 5.76% off the principle loan balance, assuming the buyer applies the same monthly payment to pay off the loan. This may not seem like much, until you apply it against the purchase of a $500,000 San Diego starter home, in which case it may look like $30,000 or so in decreased purchase budget. So those who have been cooling their heels in a rental while the housing crash has played out might want to wait a little bit longer to see whether the Mortgage Bankers Association’s interest rate forecast is on target.

MARKETWATCH
June 16, 2012, 9:01 p.m. ET

What’s Keeping Mortgage Rates Low
By AMY HOAK

Glimmers of hope in the housing market suggest a turnaround is at hand, with statistics showing stabilizing home prices and an increasing number of home sales.

Yet even as housing conditions improve, mortgage interest rates remain near record-low levels.

Rates on a 30-year fixed-rate mortgage averaged 3.71% for the week ended June 14, according to Freddie Mac’s weekly survey of conforming rates. Prior to that week, rates had broken record lows for six weeks straight.

It’s a situation that seems to defy supply-and-demand logic: If there’s more demand in the housing market, wouldn’t the cost of borrowing funds to buy a home be on the rise?

Not necessarily.

Given all the factors, the Mortgage Bankers Association expects the 30-year fixed-rate mortgage to end the year at an average 4.2%. That’s higher than current rates, but still relatively low. Freddie Mac’s most recent projection also pegs the 30-year fixed-rate mortgage at 4.2% by year-end.

For borrowers, that means low mortgage rates aren’t expected to go away anytime soon. And that’s a good thing since many would-be buyers continue to have jitters about making a purchase, says Ron Chicaferro, a mortgage-industry consultant in Scottsdale, Ariz. Often, worries about job stability are preventing people who otherwise could buy a home from making a purchase.

“The desire is there,” he says, “but the fear prevents the move.”

Those interested in refinancing, however, should be aware that rates are near their lowest points on record, and are expected to eventually start creeping up. So if it makes sense to do a refinance at the current rates, and you can qualify for the loan, it’s a good idea to take action sooner rather than later.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 07:27:25

“…it’s a good idea to take action sooner rather than later.”

Always, when it comes to decisions which will generate a fee for the FIRE sector.

Comment by azdude
2012-06-17 07:40:13

Arent rates so low because the central bank has to keep buying treasuries to keep prices high and yields low so the party continues?

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 07:20:49

ECONOMY
Updated June 15, 2012, 6:30 p.m. ET

Recovery Slows as Global Risks Rise
BY BEN CASSELMAN AND PHIL IZZO

The U.S. economy is continuing to lose momentum just as global events that could derail the recovery gather steam.

New data this week provided more evidence that the economic recovery is sputtering for the third year in a row. Layoffs are rising, factory output is falling and consumers are cutting spending amid rising uncertainty. Moreover, those warning signs mostly predate the worst of the recent turmoil in Europe, which has hit financial markets and hurt demand for American products overseas.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 07:39:08

Possible sign that housing is nearing a bottom: I attended a party last night with several former HBB posters in attendance at (former) CA Renter’s beautiful home, which she and her husband bought late last year. Turns out I was the only rental market holdout at the party. After comparing notes, we collectively decided that having a stable landlord who is in no hurry to sell has made it relatively easier for us to stay put than many other renter families.

A quick check on Redfin shows the following current market value estimates for the place we rent (rounded to the nearest $10K for confidentiality reasons):

Home Value Estimates
Low Estimate High
Zillow.com $320K $410K $440K
Eppraisal.com $420K $490K $570K

I find this most interesting, as in almost every other case I have recently checked, the Zestimate was considerably above the Eppraisal figure. I also find the high end of the Eppraisal value range quite suspicious, as it is within $5,000 of the 2004 purchase price for the home.

But no matter; our landlord could not profitably sell at any of the above prices, and so is most likely not in a hurry for us to stop sending a monthly check to cover the cost of PITI, maintenance, yardwork, etc.

Comment by azdude
2012-06-17 07:43:00

I have been hearing about bidding wars and “letters” being written to sellers in s. cal. Risk on?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 07:51:51

Bidding wars are in part an artifact of how the house is marketed. Anyone can spark a bidding war by pricing under the current market price (several of us at the aforementioned party last night have actually done so!).

In short, bidding wars are overrated as an indicator of where the market is and where it is headed. There were plenty of bidding wars in the years leading up to the onset of a collapse of demand, circa 2006.

Comment by scdave
2012-06-17 08:05:38

spark a bidding war by pricing under the current market price ??

Exactly what has been happening around here…

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Comment by azdude
2012-06-17 08:38:38

If there is a bidding war on a house I would personally be out.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 11:05:51

If there was a bidding war on a house and I was involved, I would be the seller. Otherwise, I would be out.

 
 
 
 
Comment by CA renter
2012-06-18 01:22:01

It was wonderful to see you and and the gang again! :)

I think you’re doing the right thing by continuing to rent. Just keep watching, as you are, and when it’s right, you’ll know it.

Have a great week! :)

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 07:47:27

NATION’S HOUSING
‘PINBALL’ LISTINGS ARE BAIT FOR BUYERS
By Union-Tribune
12:01 a.m., June 17, 2012
Updated 2:43 p.m. , June 15, 2012

In the real estate brokerage field they’re known as “setups” or “pinball” homes, and this spring’s improving conditions in some markets could be stimulating more of them.

A setup or pinball property is a house listed with an unrealistically high asking price that pulls in lots of visits by agents and shoppers, but no offers. The problem is this: Real estate agents, including even the listing agent, are using the overpriced house as a negative example to sell other, similar homes nearby that carry lower asking prices.

“It’s like a pinball machine,” says Debbie Cook, an agent with Long & Foster Real Estate in Silver Spring, Md. The “setup” is the foil — the house that agents show clients in order to make other more realistically priced listings look better. Maybe the sellers — encouraged by reports of rising sales and low mortgage rates — insisted on the aggressive asking price and wouldn’t list for anything less. Or maybe the sellers’ agent didn’t fully brief them about what the house could command in today’s conditions rather than lose the listing.

Whatever the specifics, pinball houses tend to see heavy “traffic” but go nowhere until the sellers drop the asking price, usually by significant amounts. Before then, however, they may be used without the sellers’ knowledge to market other houses. Since no one seriously expects them to sell at their original asking price, agents are happy to exploit the overpricing to facilitate other sales.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 08:01:59

Cantankerous suggestion: Try not to get chummed by a ‘pinball’ listing.

Comment by azdude
2012-06-17 08:19:17

never heard of that one before. I wonder if these pinballs ever really have any intention of selling or simply used to hose buyers of other homes?

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2012-06-17 08:13:07

It is a typical used car seller trick. Which I see realtors using all the time.

But the “quoted rule” in real estate is unusually that if the price of the house is too high you get no lookers.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 11:08:39

Last time I bought a car, from a new car seller, I saw the same kind of chumming with respect to the sticker prices pasted on the windows of cars out on the lot. The salesman looked pretty dismayed when I pulled out my printout, from TrueCar.com, showing what I could pay for the same car I wanted to buy at rival dealers in the area.

 
Comment by Truth
2012-06-17 11:29:39

Banana is correct. It’s an old realtor marketing technique no different than the lie “location location location.”

Go back in the HBB archives where people were belaboring the point that lying realtors would show them houses way above their price range.

 
Comment by Montana
2012-06-17 12:56:41

I assume the looky-lu’s are other potential sellers in the nabe?

 
 
Comment by polly
2012-06-17 09:07:05

My first law firm paid for us to use a broker to help find apartments (the fee would have been about one months rent). I gave the guy my price range, but he knew where I was working so he knew my salary and was aware that I could have afforded more if I really wanted to. First visit, he showed me three places all at the top of (if not a little higher than) the top of my range. All were disasters. One was a tiny studio in a basement. One was above a store and had massive holes in the walls. I forget what was wrong with the other one.

I found a studio in the newspaper the following weekend. Looked at it on Tuesday and wrote a check on the spot. The rent was less than half of the most expensive apartment the broker showed me. There never was a second visit.

Comment by Florida Is Going To Kill Me ®
2012-06-17 17:06:43

“My first law firm paid for us to use a broker ”

I was just bs’ing with my pops, and he told me back in ‘82 Xerox paid for his move AND all RE fees for selling and buying — boy, have times changed.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-06-18 01:57:31

Thinking back, I believe the last I heard of this practice was about ‘94-’95-ish

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Comment by The UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-06-17 08:04:57

Just heard Howard Dean say it`s a bad idear, which reminded me of a joke.

What do you call a deer with no eyes?

No idear.

What do you call a deer with no eyes and no legs?

Stll no idear.

Comment by Ben Jones
2012-06-17 08:24:41

Here’s something I was thought about with Romney being a Mormon; if a guy wants date Mormon girls, does he have to ask out 5 or 6 at a time?

BTW, I still haven’t seen one Romney bumper sticker or yard sign.

Comment by Florida Is Going To Kill Me ®
2012-06-17 08:55:04

Plenty here in Florida, but there are a TON of Ron Paul signs.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-06-17 09:39:24

“…if a guy wants date Mormon girls, does he have to ask out 5 or 6 at a time?”

BA DUMP! :lol:

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2012-06-17 12:44:03

I recently learned that Harry Reid is a Mormon, by conversion. That explains a lot.

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Comment by SUGuy
2012-06-17 09:23:14

Is it a good time to buy a commercial facility? Boy only if I could have heloced this one a few years ago? This company paid decent wages. This building can be had for an unbeatable price of $2.80 per sq ft. Taxes are $20K per month.

http://search.pyramidbrokerage.com/default.aspx?tabid=92&f=s&listingid=Y10619

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 11:13:12

David Miliband’s wife is a violinist. We share a personal connection from a past epoch in our lives.

Channel 4 News
Grexit, Drachmail and Eurogeddon - the new eurozone words
Sunday 17 June 2012

As the eurozone crisis consumes billions of pounds and leaves people fearing for their jobs, it has given people one thing - a totally new vocabulary.

Many new terms may make it into the dictionary

MP David Miliband has already warned us of Drachmageddon - the chaos which would be caused to us all by the return of the former Greek currency.

That then leads us to Drachmail - the term coined by our own Economics Editor Faisal Islam, which describes Greece’s attempts to secure a better deal from its concerned Euro partners, anxious to save the world from a euro collapse.

If the worst comes to the worst, we could have a Grexodus or Grexit which would see the departure of Greece from the euro currency.

Italy is also feared to be the next troubled country to leave the single currency - which would make it Quitaly.

And what if the entire single currency system collapses? You’ve guessed it, Eurogeddon.

The best Channel 4 News can muster today from its own ranks is “Cont-aegean” - but an you come up with any new terms to describe the euro-crisis?

Tweet your suggestions to us @channel4news

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-06-17 11:26:15

jinglemale, in yesterday’s BB, wrote:


Comment by JingleMale
2012-06-17 01:41:36

[...] The market willl not stay on the bottom any longer than it stayed on the top.

I used to believe that the timing of manias and their flip-sides would be similar in duration; after all, they are both at their essence a widely-shared emotional event, and thus human in their timing.

I no longer believe that to be true. For the mania side of the equation, that is still true. But for the downturn, I cannot ignore the fact that much of the effort that was made to fight the correction was fundamentally a variant on extend-and-pretend. And the “extend” portion of that is bound to drag out the duration.

So I now believe the downturn, which would have been of the 3-to-5 years variety, will now be more like twice that long at a minimum.

Thoughts?

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-06-17 11:29:29

[...] The market willl not stay on the bottom any longer than it stayed on the top.

Sorry, the quotation from jinglemale was supposed to end after that line. I thought I used emphasis tags to show that, but they aren’t showing up now, so I must have screwed it up.

The remainder of the comments are mine, and only I should be blamed for them. :-)

 
Comment by Truth
2012-06-17 11:55:10

Duration matter little. What matters is price. Current asking prices are massively inflated and falling.

What is the issue here?

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 12:22:19

“The market willl not stay on the bottom any longer than it stayed on the top.

Thoughts?”

Japan: A few short years for the bulk of housing price declines to occur, followed by another fifteen years of bottoming out.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 12:23:54

‘And the “extend” portion of that is bound to drag out the duration.

So I now believe the downturn, which would have been of the 3-to-5 years variety, will now be more like twice that long at a minimum.’

A la Japan.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 12:30:30

Is Wall Street more likely to melt up, in a no-Grexit relief rally, or down, in disappointment over no need for a central bank liquidity injection?

Greeks head to the ballot box in two days for a contest that may determine the fate of the world’s first democracy and the future of the newest reserve currency, while roiling markets from Wellington to Wall Street. Photographer: Chris Ratcliffe/Bloomberg
Bloomberg News

Greek Pro-Bailout Parties Seen Taking Majority, Poll Shows
By Maria Petrakis and Natalie Weeks on June 17, 2012

Greece’s two largest pro-bailout parties, New Democracy and Pasok, won enough seats to forge a parliamentary majority, a final exit poll showed, pointing to an outcome that may ease concern of a clash that could force the country out of the euro.

The results would give New Democracy and Pasok 159 seats, if they agree to govern together, in the 300-member Greek parliament, according to the poll broadcast on state-run television NET. Official estimates are due after 9:30 p.m. in Athens.

“For markets, a majority for an ND-Pasok coalition would be a relief,” Holger Schmieding, London-based chief economist at Berenberg Bank, said in a note today. “It would very much reduce the risk of a Greek euro exit.”

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 15:23:34

Just when it seemed like we were out of the Grexit woods, the eurozone debt crisis forest appears as dark and foreboding as ever.

Euro crisis far from over, stock analysts warn
By JOSHUA FREED, AP Business Writers – 13 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — A slim victory for pro-Europe parties Sunday in an election in Greece should relax fears that a country will leave the euro for the first time and unleash global financial turmoil.

But when it comes to Greek politics — and European economic policy — it’s never that easy. So the bumpy ride for financial markets isn’t over yet.

The conservative New Democracy party, which supports a bailout agreement that would keep Greece in the 17-country euro club, appeared to win enough votes to form a ruling coalition with another pro-bailout party.

The result forestalled what financial analysts had most feared — a victory for Syriza, a leftist party that wanted to cancel the terms of the bailout, speeding Greece toward an exit from the euro and the world economy toward an unpredictable shock.

But those same analysts cautioned that any surge is likely to be brief.

Neil MacKinnon, global macro strategist at the investment bank VTB Capital, told his clients that the election result, combined with a Federal Reserve meeting this week at which investors hope for measures to stimulate the U.S. economy, could lift stocks.

MacKinnon cautioned, however, that there are still too many problems in Europe, particularly in Spain, plus evidence that the global economy is cooling, to justify a celebration.

“I think investors should treat any sort of knee-jerk rally with caution,” MacKinnon said in an interview.

Investors learned that lesson last week. On June 9, European countries agreed to lend Spain up to $125 billion to save its banks, but the relief lasted only hours, and the Dow Jones industrial average closed down 142 points the next trading day.

Borrowing costs for the Spanish government crept closer to 7 percent, the level economists consider unsustainable, throughout the week. They also inched higher for Italy. Those two countries are the third- and fourth-largest in the euro group.

So when stock and bond markets open around the world on Monday, a Greek doomsday will have been avoided, but there will still be plenty for investors to fret about.

“How long is it going to take for people to worry about Spain again?” wondered Peter Schiff of the brokerage Euro Pacific Capital.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 12:38:07

Stay away from these drugs, and Realtors® who use them.

What Are Bath Salts and Why Do They Make People Go Crazy?
Published June 07, 2012
Fox News Latino

A West Virginia man raped and killed his neighbor’s pygmy goat. A Louisiana man gnawed off a chunk of his neighbor’s face during a fight. A Biloxi burglar stabbed a sleeping man along his neck at 5 am and then begged for permission to stitch up the wound.

The unusual acts had one thing in common: the people who committed them were allegedly under the influence of a cocktail of synthetic amphetamines and hallucinogens, commonly known as “bath salts.”

The designer drug caught national attention after Rudy Eugene mauled a homeless man and ate half his face. Though no police source has confirmed that the man who has become known as the “Miami Zombie” took bath salts, speculation that he did has fueled interest in the drug, catapulting it to the top of web searches for days after the attack.

Comment by Florida Is Going To Kill Me ®
2012-06-17 13:53:09

“A West Virginia man raped and killed his neighbor’s pygmy goat.”

West Virginia.

Sorry Florida, you’re only number two this time.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 13:33:00

Last Updated: 6/10/2012 13:23 PST

The 5 Dumbest Things You Can Do if You Have too Much Debt

If you’re struggling with too much debt, you’re not alone. It seems as if the whole nation has a borrowing hangover. For years, credit was easy, and many people became overextended. But, we now live in an era of austerity and it’s time to get our affairs in order.

The five strategies you may want to avoid:

The first piece of advice from experts in the financial field is to be sure you don’t make your situation worse by making common mistakes. In particular, try to avoid:

1. Paying only the minimum payment on your debt, as this will result in the amount you owe actually growing, and your problems will only become worse.

2. Relying on friends and family, as this can damage relationships with the most important people in your life.

3. Unscrupulous credit counselors that demand cash upfront or high fees for help they promise, but don’t deliver.

4. Using new, high-interest loans to pay off lower interest rate loans. While it may be easier to just have one payment, it will actually increase the amount you have to pay back.

5. Declaring bankruptcy–this can have permanent and severe consequences on your financial future. Avoid it if you can, especially when debt settlement may work for you.

6. DON’T BUY STUFF YOU CANNOT AFFORD.

Comment by Neuromance
2012-06-17 16:55:15

These are simply incomprehensible pieces of advice. Saturday Night Live had a skit on dealing with indebtedness as well, in an attempt to elucidate:

Saturday Night Live: “Don’t buy stuff”

http://www.hulu.com/watch/1389

 
 
Comment by Florida Is Going To Kill Me ®
2012-06-17 15:47:16

“5. Declaring bankruptcy–this can have permanent and severe consequences on your financial future. ”

I work with several people who declared bankruptcy within the last few years and they’re all doing fine.

 
Comment by 2banana
2012-06-17 16:08:12

Come on train wreck!

Obama’s Fannie Mae failure
Salon | 6-15-12 | Andrew Leonard

Amid all the rhetoric and posturing that have accompanied every twist and turn of the great housing bust and the ensuing slow, stuttering recovery of the United States economy, a comment made last week by new Fannie Mae CEO Tim Mayopoulos to the Wall Street Journal might have seemed consequential only to the most wired-in housing wonk. ”From my perspective, I don’t believe we need principal reduction to modify loans and make [modifications] work for homeowners,” Mr. Mayopoulos said.

Don’t push that snooze button! The jargon might be thick, but in the middle of a massive foreclosure crisis, Mayopoulos’ comments spoke directly to the most contentious issue in housing finance policy today: how to keep Americans in their homes. It’s a question that divides not just Democrats and Republicans, but also the executive branch of the government itself. Because you can make a good case that for all practical purposes Mayopoulous works for the federal government; and yet, his position on “principal reduction” is at direct odds with President Obama’s. That’s a big deal. The collapse of the housing sector precipitated the economic crash. Fixing it is crucial to enabling a sustainable recovery. And yet, despite years of effort, in the all-important domain of housing finance, the White House has proven itself unable to execute its agenda.

And here’s the rub. The Obama administration wants — or says it wants — principal reduction. And for all intents and purposes, the government owns Fannie Mae. Originally a quasi public-private entity referred to with the weasel words “government-sponsored enterprise,” Fannie Mae was essentially nationalized during the housing crisis in a bailout that cost taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars.

DeMarco has been steadfast in his opinion that principal reduction is a bad idea. His reasoning is straightforward: Principal reduction, he argues, would mean further financial losses for Fannie and Freddie, which would then have to be made up by taxpayers. Since the FHFA is not only Fannie and Freddie’s regulator, but their conservator as they try to emerge from bankruptcy and pay back the government for its bailout, DeMarco’s legal responsibility, as he sees it, is to steer Fannie and Freddie back to profitability.

That’s because, says Judson, tax law historically treats principal reduction as income to the homeowner who gets it. In other words, if you have a $300,000 mortgage on a house that is now only worth $200,000, and your bank gives you a $100,000 break to bring the mortgage and the home value in line with each other, the IRS will consider that $100,000 break taxable income.

Congress recognized this obvious insanity in 2007 and passed a provision that gave homeowners a waiver from that liability, but the waiver will expire on Jan. 1. Not only would the change in tax law mean that getting a principal reduction would make no sense for a beleaguered homeowner, but it would also destroy the market for “short sales” — in which banks allow homeowners to get out of their mortgage by selling their property for less than the mortgage is worth. Judson believes some 30 percent of home sales are currently short sales. Knock the legs out of that market, and you’re asking for serious trouble.

“If we hit a train-wreck on Jan. 1,” says Judson, “it will take the housing market and any economic recovery down with it.”

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 23:41:01

‘Because you can make a good case that for all practical purposes Mayopoulous works for the federal government; and yet, his position on “principal reduction” is at direct odds with President Obama’s.’

Sweet! The more high-level government officials disagree on what kind of intervention to pursue in order to prop up the housing market, the better the chance the market will find a sound fundamental bottom without the distortionary effect of political interference.

 
 
Comment by The UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-06-17 17:00:16

Alligator blamed for causing 2 crashes in St. Pete

(What position in the Bush administration did he hold?)

Posted: 2:32 p.m. Sunday, June 17, 2012

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

ST. PETERSBURG —

An alligator is being blamed for causing two crashes in St. Petersburg.

The Florida Highway Patrol says Bruce Foley struck a 12-foot alligator crossing Interstate 275 with his 2012 Toyota sedan early Sunday.

The gator escaped into the woods but emerged about a half hour later.

Authorities say the alligator attempted to cross the interstate again but was struck by a second vehicle, a 2004 Kia driven by Verna Christopherson.

This time the alligator sustained fatal injuries. The remains were removed by a trapper.

Neither driver was injured in the collisions, though both cars were damaged.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 20:42:26

The damn weather is once again raining on the Fed’s green shoots.

The Fed Archives
June 17, 2012, 11:36 p.m. EDT
Fed expected to twist again
By Greg Robb, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The Federal Reserve is likely to extend its Operation Twist program at the end of its two-day meeting on Wednesday, a growing number of Fed watchers said over the weekend.

“We now expect the Fed to ease policy further at next week’s meeting,” Barclays Capital economist Dean Maki said in a note to clients. “We see a short-term extension of Operation Twist as the most likely outcome.”

Michael Gregory, senior economist at BMO Capital Markets, said more and more economists were jumping on the “bandwagon” of an extended Twist.

The move would serve several purposes, but would mainly show the Fed’s resolve to act and help shore up confidence, said Millan Mulraine, economist at TD Securities.

The current $400 billion Twist program is set to expire at the end of June. It gets its name from the Fed trying to twist the yield curve by selling short-term securities that it holds while buying longer-term securities.

Analysts said the Fed has about $180 billion of short-term Treasurys left to sell. There was some speculation that the Fed might buy mortgage-backed securities in the new round.

U.S. recovery slows as global risks rise

The U.S. economy is losing momentum just as global events that could derail the recovery are gathering steam.

The risks of extreme financial contagion subsided Sunday night in the wake of the Greek election. Economists said this would lower the odds a massive new bond-buying program, known as the third quantitative easing or QE3. See report on Greek election results.

The Fed has bought over $2.3 trillion of Treasurys and housing-related assets to bring down interest rates. The Fed’s traditional short-term interest-rate policy tool — the fed funds target — has been close to zero since December 2008.

Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke certainly didn’t endorse more easing in his testimony to Congress last week, and as a result, some analysts think the U.S. central bank will stay on hold to see how things pan out over the next few months. But they admit it is a close call.

One factor that still isn’t clear is how much of the current economic slowdown is due to weather.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 20:50:27

Risk on! Try not to get caught out of the market before the bulls take it through the roof!!

Asian Stocks, Euro, Oil Advance on Greek Pro-Bailout Vote
By Glenys Sim and Rita Nazareth - Jun 17, 2012 8:12 PM PT

Asian stocks and the euro rose to the highest levels in a month as gains by pro-bailout parties in Greek elections eased concern the nation would be forced out of the 17-member currency bloc. Oil advanced while bond risk in Asia declined.

The MSCI Asia Pacific Index climbed 1.5 percent to the highest since May 16 at 11:43 a.m. in Tokyo. The euro strengthened 0.4 percent to $1.2685 per dollar, the highest since May 22, and the yen fell against most of its major counterparts. Oil in New York rose to the highest in a week while bond risk in Asia dropped to the lowest since May 8. Standard & Poor’s 500 Index futures added 0.4 percent.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 22:59:19

Is anyone interested in picking up a Las Vegas estate for cheap?

Las Vegas Estate Slashed 74% to $6.9 Million
June 14, 2012

A Las Vegas home gets a drastic price cut, from $25 million to $6 million. Lauren Schuker has details on The News Hub. Photo: Luxe Estates Collection.

 
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2012-06-17 23:20:26
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-06-17 23:46:15

I see the news of growing financial prudence among twenty-somethings as a sign the housing market may be returning to normalcy, with buyers who understand that real estate doesn’t always go up and who act with suitable precaution to making such a high-risk investment as a highly-leveraged purchase of an overpriced home.

Economy
Young adults’ hesitance is reshaping home-buying market
Posted: 06/17/2012 01:00:00 AM MDT
By Michelle Zayed
The Denver Post
(Jupiter Images)

Millennials, those born between 1983 and 2003, are putting their white-picket-fence dreams on hold as increasingly mobile lifestyles and strict mortgage requirements combine with still-fresh memories of the housing crisis.

According to the Census Bureau, the number of homeowners younger than 35 dropped by nearly a million from 2000 to 2010.

The ideas of ever-rising house prices and homes as a stepping-stone to financial stability are no longer the selling points for young adults that they were for previous generations.

“They are hearing all these horror stories about people who bought a house and now their mortgage is more than what their house is worth,” said Evan Segal, author of “From Local to Global” and a former business executive whose company worked closely with the housing sector.

Many older millennials — now entering prime home-buying age — look at homes as riskier investments and are weighed down by heightened requirements to qualify for home mortgages.

Bryan Hall, 26, who has rented since his sophomore year of college, said he hasn’t had time to build up a good credit score and that has prevented him qualifying for a low mortgage rate under today’s tightened standards.

Aside from little time to build credit, millennials in the current economy also face minimal job security, an all-time-high student-debt load and the prospect of hefty down payments, particularly under the stricter underwriting standards that emerged after the housing crisis.

Colorado’s 2010 college graduates who exited with student debt owed an average of $22,017. The unemployment rate for 20- to 24-year-olds was 12.9 percent in May, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The rate drops by half for those 25 and older.

“The poor economy has pushed many into the rental market,” so they are ultimately postponing home-buying, said John Covert, director of Metrostudy, a market research company.

 
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