An Antidote To ‘This Time It’s Different’ Claims
It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Parents investing in ‘kiddie condos’ for their university level children is not a new phenomenon. But when a developer launched a 58-unit condo development in the university town of Waterloo, Ont., in January, most of the purchasers weren’t coddling parents. Buyers, mostly investors, snapped up all the units of Sage Condos — starting at $359,900 for 1,800 square feet — in four days. Nathaniel Lipkus, a Toronto lawyer, said he bought a three-bedroom unit as a passive investment.”
“‘The reason why I like it is because I thought it was really, really neatly packaged and right now, it’s hard to find a market that you feel good investing in,’ said the lawyer. ‘It’s hard to say yes to the stock market when it’s so volatile. It’s hard to say yes to real estate, per se, because everybody talks about a bubble.’”
“Investors are snapping up property near a proposed $45 billion business zone in the Chinese boom town of Shenzhen, betting that the government’s plans to further open its capital markets with a ‘mini-Hong Kong’ will spur real estate values. Dananshan Ziyuan, a block of town houses advertised online as ‘having immeasurable future appreciation potential,’ has villas on sale for up to 100 million yuan, a saleswoman surnamed Li told Reuters.”
“Some of the most expensive homes in the block cost 236,406 yuan ($37,100) per square metre, compared with the $27,200 per square metre for a luxury unit in Paris, or $23,300 per square metre in New York’s Manhattan district in 2011, according to data from Knight Frank. ($1 = 6.3729 Chinese yuan).”
“‘It’s too early to decide whether it will become a bubble,’ said Raymond So, Dean of School of Business at Hang Seng Management College, when asked if Qianhai would disappoint.”
“Some market watchers, however, are skeptical. ‘The Qianhai concept and government tie may have played into the share price surge, but solely investing in the concept is irrational,’ said a Shenzhen-based analyst who declined to be named.”
“My basis for claiming this to be a bubble is a principle I have used for many years: if it looks like a bubble, it is a bubble – failing manifest evidence to the contrary. This principle is as an antidote to the ‘this time it’s different’ claims, which emerge in every asset bubble. As a current example of these claims, there are those who argue that the current level of property prices is justified by Australia’s alleged ‘housing shortage.’”
“The average number of persons per house is currently lower than at almost any period in our history – that is, the number of properties per person is unprecedentedly high. It escapes me how this can be reconciled with a view that there is a housing shortage.”
“A thesis by Nigel Stapleton refers to a multi-century study of house prices in Amsterdam, which suggests that over almost 350 years there was no rising trend in real house prices in that city. These long-term studies suggest that the trend to rising real house prices through much of the developed world over the past three or four decades has been atypical. This may be a shock to the many individuals who have geared into property as a home or an investment, confident that strong growth in house prices will make their investment profitable.”
“Arizona’s once-hot economy was heavily reliant on construction and housing, industries that are making slow gains but are challenged by labor and land prices, experts said. Homebuilders are being constrained because there are not enough workers and available cheap land, said Mike Orr. ‘It is a bit of a standoff at the moment,’ Orr said. ‘Unless homebuilders assume home prices will go up, it is hard for them to make the projects work out at current land prices.’”
“The Detroit Eviction Defense Coalition, affiliated with the Occupy Detroit movement, held a rally to support Detroit homeowner Jennifer Britt, who faces eviction after a lengthy legal battle. Britt’s husband died in 2006, and she lost her job in 2008. Despite that, Britt says she exhausted her savings making mortgage payments to Flagstar Bank until the money ran out—even though they wouldn’t acknowledge her as the mortgage holder.”
“Britt says government-backed mortgage giant Fannie Mae now holds her mortgage, and they’ve also refused her repeated requests for a loan modification. According to activists, Fannie Mae also rejected a community group’s offer to buy Britt’s home for its assessed value of roughly $12,000. The original home loan was for $121,000.”
“‘I continued paying the mortgage, hoping something would give and work out,’ Britt said. ‘Unfortunately, it didn’t. The money ran out, I stopped paying.’”
“In California, new foreclosure starts were off by slightly less than one percent compared to last month, but the number of properties actually sold at auction is down 13.4 percent as compared to May and almost 50 percent as compared to a year ago. San Diego County, however, is not yet seeing the same declines as the rest of the state. New foreclosures here are up 7.5 percent over May and 6.25 percent over June 2011. Banks, however, are still slow to foreclose, with the average property going to sale last month having been in default for over 300 days.”
“‘California Governor Jerry Brown signed into law the Homeowner Bill of Rights, an anti-foreclosure package which naively thinks that slowing foreclosures will benefit homeowners and the economy by leaving those owners stuck in their prison of debt,’ says Sean O’Toole, CEO of ForeclosureRadar.”
“Jonathan Dieguez is the founder of the privately-owned real estate investment firm, Absolute Capital Homes, has responded to the new California proposal with a press statement, in which he notes that the only way to revitalize the real estate market is to free it from the numerous distressed properties that currently clutter it. Slowing or stopping foreclosures would only have the opposite effect, Dieguez says.”
“‘When will this real estate market bottom and home prices stabilize?’ continues the Absolute Capital Homes statement. ‘I believe we’ll hit a bottom when the unemployment rate drops to under 8 percent, the Federal Reserve begins to raise interest rates, we see a sizeable increase in consumer confidence and personal income, and a dramatic decrease in non-performing assets held by financial institutions (toxic or shadow inventory).’”
“CoreLogic’s Home Price Index, which includes distressed sales, posted the largest year-over-year spring price gain in the last 25 years. But CoreLogic senior economist Sam Khater has serious questions about how long the phenomenon can last. Negative equity ‘is keeping many potential sellers out of the market, which keeps a lid on inventory.’ That, combined with a reduced flow of bank-owned properties, ‘has led to much tighter market conditions for lower prices properties, particularly in the hardest hit markets.’”
“‘Given the economy’s tendency to exhibit Sisyphean traits, lack of income growth, and the amount of shadow inventory still in the wings which could replenish the flow of distressed sales, it will be difficult for prices to sustain their recent rate of acceleration,’ Khater wrote. ‘But for the moment, at least, there is some positive news about negative equity’s impact on price increases in some markets.’”
“For the first time in three years, Toronto’s sizzling housing market is showing signs of cooling, bringing a sigh of relief to David Fleming and other Canadian real estate agents who feared the market boom was getting out of control. ‘It is a balanced market right now, where you don’t have to make a decision with a gun to your head,’ said Fleming. He said the bidding wars of the past few years have evolved into mere skirmishes among prospective buyers.”
“Fleming said Toronto house hunters should just be grateful for the respite in rising prices in what, 2008 aside, has been a 19-year bull market. ‘Buyers should also take this and run with it. They’ve got an opportunity to be able to choose and not have to bid against seven other people,’ Fleming said.”
“In North Brunswick, Jerry McNee said he’s seen signs of increased buying activity in the last year, and in the last few months: One house got four offers and the owner opted not to sell, while a pre-foreclosure sold for $485,000 in a week. McNee, who runs an auto-body business, is working on selling an investment property and is in the process of selling his own home to someone attracted by the investment property. His home is going for around $500,000 before he even had a chance to list it on the market.”
“Now he’s doing his part to loosen up the market by reducing the completely renovated, four bedroom investment property from $591,000 to $515,000. ‘I started at a much higher price than I should have, and that’s why it’s been sitting,’ McNee said. ‘I guess everybody’s looking for a deal right now and that’s what they’re expecting. A majority of the people walking in are looking for that steal.’”
a multi-century study of house prices in Amsterdam which suggests that over almost 350 years there was no rising trend in real house prices’
I saw this chart in real estate school back in the mid 80’s. We were told it existed because these people were traders and keep detailed records of everything. On the whole graph there was only one blip upward, which then came down. It was the period of the tulip mania.
“A thesis by Nigel Stapleton refers to a multi-century study of house prices in Amsterdam, which suggests that over almost 350 years there was no rising trend in real house prices in that city.”
Nonetheless, according to many HBB regulars, recent bid wars represesent incontrovertible evidence that housing has bottomed out.
Is there a point where environmental degradation shows up in real estate values? I listened to an audio piece by a foreign visitor to Shenzen, there to see where the Apple iPhone was manufactured. He discussed the city’s air quality, and it sounded almost like a description of the atmosphere in the Avatar movie. Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t want to buy property in that setting.
That professor’s comment about “too early to decide” sounds like Mao’s response when asked of the effects of the French Revolution. Maybe Shenzen will look like a good investment in the year 2200, but it’s also possible that no humans will be living there then.
“Friday desk clearing time” aka “The jokes write themselves”.
“‘The reason why I like it is because I thought it was really, really neatly packaged and right now, it’s hard to find a market that you feel good investing in,’ said the lawyer. ‘It’s hard to say yes to the stock market when it’s so volatile. It’s hard to say yes to real estate, per se, because everybody talks about a bubble.’”
How about just saying “yes” to staying in cash?
Cash is for loosers. You gotta be a playa if you wanna win…
Foreclosures up again, is this really a surprise???
Lisa
Cash stinks as well.
All this funny money being pumped in
the system crunches purchasing power.
In all directions, we’re screwed.
Our cash & close house money
made $3.69 interest in June.
My planned down payment makes less in interest on a monthly basis than I might find if I spent a couple hours at the beach with a metal detector during the springtime. Why is the Fed’s suppression of interest rates not considered a tax?
“Why is the Fed’s suppression of interest rates not considered a tax?”
If you were a Reagan Republican, you would understand why.
“Our cash & close house money made $3.69 interest in June.”
Low returns on cash makes cash all the more valuable. If one got a good return on cash then he wouldn’t need as much of it to get by.
Sort of like farmland: If one plans to live off the land then he should make sure the land he plans to live off of is productive.
The more productive the land is the less of it he will need.
Similarily, the more productive cash is the less of it one needs.
Now that we are enduring the era of low returns on cash one who plans to live on what money his stash of cash generates needs be sure he has enough of it stashed away.
But it doesn’t stop there; Low returns do not stop at cash. Low returns are becoming all pervasive - returns are not only low for cash but returns are also low for most assets.
Which means those who are rich in low-returning assets will end up a bit short of cash. And those who are rich in assets but short of cash will do what? Sell some of their assets in order to raise cash, perhaps?
But sell to whom? Sell to others who are rich in assets but short of cash? No, they will be selling to those who are rich in cash.
At these interest rates I would have to have fifteen million dollars saved to make a reasonable case for living off that money.
When cash was easy to get it was treated with distain. Strawberry pickers could simply sign on a dotted line and end up with a $600,000 house. Working a job was, in some circles, something to be laughed at. Only smucks worked at jobs: The smart folks were those who set it up so as to have all their money do their work for them.
But … not anymore.
Strawberry pickers could simply sign on a dotted line and end up with a $600,000 house.
$720,000.
“The smart folks were those who set it up so as to have all their money do their work for them.”
I always laughed to myself when my brother-in-law would trot out the old “you don’t get rich working for your money, you get rich letting your money work for you.” I never had the desire to explain to him that most people weren’t born into families with a hundred million dollars.
“At these interest rates I would have to have fifteen million dollars save to make a reasonable case for living off that money.”
And you are not alone. And because you are not alone the need for cash for those who have it will intensify because if they cannot get a decent return on their principle then they will have to dig into their principle. And digging into the principle reduces the principle.
Do this for a long enough time and the principle will go to zero. And after the principle zeros … then what?
Do you mean principal?
Homebuilders are being constrained because there are not enough workers and available cheap land, said Mike Orr.
Correction: There aren’t enough Arizona workers who are willing to work for slave wages and be treated like sssshhhh…
…it by the homebuilders and their subcontractors. And did I mention that this is a right-to-work state? None of those evil unions for us, no sirree.
Fixed it for ya, Mike Orr.
If land were cheaper, would he raise wages to the point at which people would work for him?
Having driven legal workers out of the market during the boom days, are there simply not enough skilled, legal workers left in AZ?
Side effect of the medication. Pass strict immigration laws and now there are not enough legal, skilled workers to replace the illegal ones that left. The market has been manipulated by government regulation. Eventually, the market will right itself. Can Mike Orr’s business survive until it does?
“The average number of persons per house is currently lower than at almost any period in our history – that is, the number of properties per person is unprecedentedly high. It escapes me how this can be reconciled with a view that there is a housing shortage.”
Does their government perchance manipulate inventory to keep homes off the market?
From the Arizona article:
“The land issue is more complicated. Much of the available land was snapped up by investors during the downturn. Now, they are trying to maximize profits, and homebuilders are hesitant to pay their asking prices.
“It is a bit of a standoff at the moment,” Orr said. “Unless homebuilders assume home prices will go up, it is hard for them to make the projects work out at current land prices.”
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If land is so plentiful and cheap, why don’t builders buy from other landowners?
One answer:
What is unsaid is that a fair number of land owners purchased FINISHED lots (ie. all infrastructure work has been done). For the past several years, the value of this land was at BELOW the cost of infrastructure. The investors bought with the theory that eventually, the economics of homebuilding needed to change so that it was economic again to buy raw land, put in the infrastructure, and then build.
As long as the value of their land is less than the cost of infrastructure, they will wait, and builders will be stuck, not being able to buy any land (even if land were free, it would cost more to put in the infrastructure than is economically feasible). Supply continues to shrink, until prices rise to support the development of new land.
Once again you talk about things you know nothing of.
Why are you lying? Clearly you have a stake in the direction of prices.
Why are you lying?
Think of a bar chart, with the positive bars being house prices and the negative bars being debt. Both those bars got bigger and bigger. The purchaser was able to take on more and more debt and sellers dutifully raised their prices to match those higher amounts.
I think we’re past Peak Debt and rapidly increasing house prices. Securitization was invented in the late 70s by Lew Ranieri. The MBS market grew dramatically. It was constrained for a while by the ability of the purchaser to repay, but with the advent on NINJA and balloon payments and mortgage teaser rates, debt and prices grew dramatically.
All of those loan and MBS trading schemes did one thing - load more debt on the house purchaser. I think that maximum amount was reached and exceeded. House prices and debt go hand in hand. Unless they can figure out a way to load yet more debt on the individual, I don’t see how house prices can lurch upwards again.
Those who bought before securitization and during the 30 year run-up in house prices, as debt loads increased, probably made out quite well. The previous generation in particular, who, as a result, swear by housing as an investment.
Government can certainly move to buy/insure toxic debt. But the bubble was driven by private investors who saw mortgages as safe, high, interest and reliable. Can that be resurrected? I’ve realized that the FIRE sector is sort-of fighting its best interests in trying to keep generating dodgy debt. The government can only absorb so much of that. The US Government is a massive 100% debt to GDP situation right now. If it reneges on limiting deficit spending with the fiscal cliff, that might bring out the bond vigilantes, driving up borrowing costs regardless of what the central bank does.
Liar’s Poker is one of my two favorite books about financial matters, and it discusses Ranieri and mortgage bonds at length. The other is When Genius Failed.
FPSS said a while back that QE3 is in the bag. So far it looks like he is right, though the timing is uncertain.
Bloomberg News
Fed to Boost Operation Twist With QE3 Jolt, Bank of America Says
By Susanne Walker on June 27, 2012
Federal Reserve policy makers will probably announce in September a third round of bond purchases under quantitative easing to spur U.S. economic growth, according to Bank of America Corp.
The firm estimates the Fed will buy $500 billion in securities, primarily in mortgages, Priya Misra, head of U.S. rates strategy at Bank of America Merrill Lynch in New York, said yesterday at a company press conference. Policy makers last week expanded their Operation Twist effort to cap borrowing costs. The new move will come as indicators, including the so- called break-even rate between Treasury Inflation Protected Securities and nominal U.S. notes, signal lower consumer prices, she said.
“The Fed will most likely do QE, but not yet,” Misra said in New York. “When TIPS break-evens decline and sentiment falls, the Fed will move to put a floor on risky assets and confidence.”
The central bank on June 20 expanded Operation Twist, its program to replace $400 billion of short-term Treasuries in its portfolio with longer-term debt to lengthen the average maturity of its holdings, by $267 billion and extended it until year-end.
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Another QE from the Bernanke. Big shock.
Will investors eventually give up completely on the lackluster stock market?
July 20, 2012, 5:07 p.m. EDT
U.S. stocks fall as Europe fear overrides earnings
Friday losses eliminate July gains for Dow industrials and Nasdaq
By Wallace Witkowski, MarketWatch
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — A rash of selling on Friday wiped out July gains for both the Dow Jones Industrial Average and the Nasdaq Composite Index as investors reacted to earnings-driven developments and resurfaced European concerns.
The Dow DJIA -0.93% fell 120.79 points, or 0.9%, to close at 12,822.57, with 27 of the index’s 30 components lower. The index, which hit an intraday low of 12,810.35, is down nearly 0.5% for July, but still finished up 0.4% for the week.
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No. If investors “gave up completely” the stock market would go to zero. That will never happen.