July 22, 2012

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Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-07-22 05:37:33

Let’em crater.

Comment by mikeinbend
2012-07-22 07:19:39

Wishful thinking. Try to buy a house(don’t worry you won’t get it) and you will see that the bottom end is not cratering–right now. It may shortly. But it is not currently. Call me a liar, but it doesn’t seem to matter if you are Awaiting in Ventura County or mikeinbend or Muggy or sfrenter.

The reality is those who want a modest home are getting outbid.
Resulting in some prices climbing near term. And if inventory trickles out for another decade it could stay this way for awhile.

It is really difficult for garden-variety buyers to even get a reponse on their offers. Demand may be at an all time low; supply has been choked to match.

I hope it craters. That is true. But it is not what I am seeing. It was easier to buy houses in 2005. I know of a house that listed for 140k; went for 15% over list. In three days. Due to limited supply. Forsooth.

Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-07-22 07:40:49

It’s reality my friend.

Either way, why buy a house now? Buy later after lending and prices crater for 65% less.

Comment by Specu-debtor
2012-07-22 08:03:50

Some folks just can’t wait that long. Marriages hang in the balance.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 08:18:45

That’s great, because henpecked homebuyers, who feel they have to buy now to appease their nagging wives, provide lots of local economic spillover which stimulates the regional economies where they buy.

 
Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-07-22 09:34:06

Some folks just can’t wait that long. Marriages hang in the balance.

There’s a beaut…. a real beaut.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-07-22 14:08:44

Yeah..I’ve complained about my wife on occasion, but that sort of thing has me counting my blessings. She doesn’t love the trailer while we wait, but she enjoyed paying cash for new tires on her Mercedes the other day. It’s nice being on the same page financially.

 
Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-07-22 14:40:48

She doesn’t love the trailer

Been there, done that and it’s some very cheap living. Mrs. still wants here trailer back… so do I actually. The carrying costs on a SFR in NY oppressive.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-07-22 14:49:07

I’d like it a lot more if I had a garage. If things would *ever* crater here I’d think about moving it to a piece of property and building a shop. Everything is still way too expensive…and it’s not easy to find places around here where you’re free to put a trailer on the property without the neighbors going ballistic. I’d build a house eventually, but I don’t think they’d be willing to wait that long :-).

 
Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-07-22 16:39:41

Yeah we didn’t have a garage at the trailer either and that’s the only plus at the SFR as we have 2 bay detached and 1 bay attached. We’d probably have an additional $80k-100k in savings if we could have stayed at the trailer. Property taxes and fuel oil for a SFR in the northeast is killer. Worse yet, I keep a second residence in another state for work during the week.

 
Comment by rms
2012-07-22 18:22:43

“She doesn’t love the trailer”

LOL! The best loving there is ain’t in the master bedroom of a billionaire’s mansion…it’s in a trailer. Really! :)

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 18:43:55

Back in the day before I was a happily married family man, I used to tutor a lovely young lady in calculus who lived in a trailer. Unfortunately for me, she was married, and I was way too well behaved to experience anything like trailer love…but the memories of hanging out with her at her trailer are still pleasant.

 
Comment by rms
2012-07-22 20:08:18

“…I used to tutor a lovely young lady in calculus…”

Kept getting closer but never got there?

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 20:31:35

We never got past first derivatives.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 20:33:08

P.S. If only had been an engineering student (punchline to the Zeno’s Paradox joke you reference:

Engineer: “I may never get all the way there, but I can get infinitely close.”)

 
 
 
Comment by combotechie
2012-07-22 07:42:22

Ask yourself this question: “What is driving this demand?”

Is it rising wages? Is it a renewed boom in employment? Is it because of lots of OPM looking for a return? Foreign capital? A true shortage of houses offered for sale? Something else?

Whatever your findings ask yourself another question: “Is this sustainable?”

Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-07-22 07:48:48

Let’s not misinterpret the speculator activity as demand.

Demand is still at 15 year lows and falling. That is just a reality that our Blog Liars Club seems to run from.

Why is that?

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Comment by joesmith
2012-07-22 07:52:55

I believe Mike is talking about modest houses in established areas, as opposed to large new houses in fringe suburbs or exurbs. And I think Mike is right. 2 or 3 BR houses that are close to jobs and infrastructure are very popular right now, especially the ones that aren’t trashed out. I’m not saying it’s “right”, and I’m not saying housing is an investment–definitely not. What I am saying is, most of what’s on the market is crap because it’s in outlying areas or its in poor condition. A well kept older house in the 1200-2000 sq ft ballpark will get multiple bids right now.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 08:37:49

“2 or 3 BR houses that are close to jobs and infrastructure are very popular right now, especially the ones that aren’t trashed out.”

That’s in part due to where the vestiges of the middle class are currently capable of affording a home. Meanwhile, the high end ($700K+ price range) is cratering, with a dearth of demand to absorb thousands of homes on the market that would have sold for north of $1m before the housing bust.

 
Comment by SDJen
2012-07-22 09:52:33

Even Mark Zuckerberg needs a 30 year mortgage. Sad.

Recently, a San Diego condo was on the market 2 days, received 5 offers (at least 1 offer was all cash, sight unseen, unconditional). The owner decided not to sell. He took the offers to the bank and said “Look what you’ll have to take if you don’t modify my mortgage!”

This bubble just goes on, and on, and on…

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-07-22 08:02:35

A true shortage of houses offered for sale?

It sure is! Especially when 90% of the foreclosure inventory is being held off the market.

It’s called market manipulation, baby!

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Comment by combotechie
2012-07-22 08:05:48

Go to question number two: “Is this sustainable?”

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-07-22 08:16:54

Go to question number two: “Is this sustainable?”

As long as the Fed continues with its ZIRP … yes.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 08:43:55

“As long as the Fed continues with its ZIRP … yes.”

Shakespeare well understood instabilities which temporarily seemed unlikely to ever occur.

MACBETH
Bring me no more reports; let them fly all.
Till Birnam wood remove to Dunsinane,
I cannot taint with fear. What’s the boy Malcolm?
Was he not born of woman? The spirits that know
All mortal consequences have pronounced me thus:
“Fear not, Macbeth; no man that’s born of woman
Shall e’er have power upon thee.” Then fly, false thanes,
And mingle with the English epicures!
The mind I sway by and the heart I bear
Shall never sag with doubt nor shake with fear.

– Shakespeare

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 08:45:53

That came out wrong; I meant to say “inevitabilities” but my spell checker snuck in “instabilities.” I didn’t know spell checkers made Freudian slips…

 
Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-07-22 10:24:59

“Is this sustainable?”

Only when contingent upon this;

‘Shadow REO’: As Many as 90% of Foreclosed Properties Held Off the Market

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11616596/1/shadow-reo-as-many-as-90-of-foreclosed-properties-held-off-the-market.html

 
Comment by OK_Land_Lord
2012-07-22 16:10:52

Well, less homes bought and sold— means the number of realtors should also decline….

 
Comment by oxide
2012-07-22 17:33:46

“Is this sustainable?”

It doesn’t have to be sustainable forever. Just for 3-4 years. That’s my calculation of how long it would take to pay more in rent than any price drop. And it looks to me like theyr’e going to dribble out the inventory for 3-4 more years.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 08:33:06

“What is driving this demand?”

A number of extraordinary, though temporary, factors. A couple of these are highlighted below:

1. FHA to Expand Bulk Sales of Defaulted Mortgages in Program
By Emma Fidel on July 18, 2012

The Federal Housing Administration will sell more defaulted mortgages than it first anticipated in a program to cut losses on mounting foreclosures across the country, Carol Galante, acting FHA commissioner, said today.

The government mortgage insurer will auction approximately 9,000 discounted loans in the September start of the program, including 3,500 earmarked for neighborhood development programs in four major metropolitan areas. FHA estimated it would sell 5,000 delinquent loans every quarter when it announced the program in June.

“It’s a little bit of chicken and egg,” Galante said in a conference call with reporters. “Once we decided to do this on a quarterly basis, on a larger scale than we had previously, that generates interest both for the existing servicers who are needing to cooperate with a loan-sale program, as well as interest from buyers of these loans.”

2. Bloomberg News
Downgrade Anniversary Shows Investors Gained Buying U.S.
By Mike Dorning, John Detrixhe and Ian Katz on July 16, 2012

Consumer Borrowing

Consumer borrowing costs have also dropped. Home loan rates for 30-year U.S. mortgages on July 12 fell to a record low for a fourth straight week. The average rate for a 30-year fixed mortgage declined to 3.56 percent in the week ended July 12, the lowest in Freddie Mac records dating to 1971. In the week ended Aug. 4, 2011, immediately before the downgrade, the average rate was 4.39 percent.

The U.S. attraction for global investors has strengthened. In May, 46 percent of international investors chose the U.S. as the market with the most potential during the next year, up from 31 percent a year earlier, according to a Bloomberg poll.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 14:09:26

3. Home owners who would otherwise be sellers are holding their homes off the market “until prices come back,” due to a failure to understand that the reason prices are currently so much lower than they were in 2006 is because of the unsustainable one-time tripling of prices to mania levels at the bubble peak. Instead they misapprehend the decline to only 150% of normal prices as the price anomaly, soon to be followed by the return to mania pricing.

Once it dawns on the masses that prices will never in our lifetimes return to 2006 levels, you can expect a lot more end-user inventory to find its way onto your local MLS.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 14:15:47

Bazooka Bazooka Bubble-gum
Bazooka Bazooka Bubble-gum
Bazooka Bazooka Bubble-gum
Bazooka…Bubble-gum

TAKING STOCK
Housing bubbles: Messy and unpredictable
STEPHEN FOERSTER
The Globe and Mail
Published Monday, Jul. 09 2012, 7:10 AM EDT
Last updated Monday, Jul. 09 2012, 9:24 AM EDT

Many a child has delighted in popping a wad of Bazooka gum in their mouth, chewing vigorously, and then trying to blow the biggest bubble possible. The resulting end is inevitable – a sudden burst and then pulling the pink gum off their face.

Housing bubbles are not as much fun. But they can be just as sticky, messy and unpredictable.

Bubbles are as difficult to define as they are to spot. However here are a few definitions: Unsustainable patterns of price changes; deviations in prices that can’t be explained by fundamentals; and the mass refusal to acknowledge reason. We often don’t know with certainty that a bubble has existed until after it has burst.

The typical pattern of a housing bubble starts with price increases that are associated with euphoria as homeowners become wealthier. As wealth continues to increase, a mania may occur, and more buyers rush in as further price increases are forecast.

Eventually an event occurs – perhaps a change in government policy, increased interest rates, or a reassessment of market values – that leads to a pause in price increases. Some investors who borrowed heavily may find themselves under water, unable to make mortgage payments, and forced into distress sales. As prices decline, a crash and panic may follow.

During the 2008-2009 financial crisis, Canadian house prices fell by only 8 per cent – and then recovered by 2010. House prices have doubled since 2002, with annual growth of 5 per cent above consumer inflation. Vancouver, Victoria, and Toronto rose at much faster rates. With the current high prices in these cities – even with some recent weaknesses – have they been experiencing bubble-like symptoms? By two conventional metrics, the answer is yes.

The first measure is the price-to-income affordability index: The average house price relative to average disposable income in that city. The higher this ratio, the less affordable a house becomes and the more susceptible the market is for a decline in prices.

Over the past 25 years, the ratio in Canada has been about 3.5 times, but has recently been 4.5 times – almost 30 per cent higher. Since 2007, this ratio has grown faster in Canada than in almost every other major developed country. Recently in Toronto and Victoria the ratio was over eight times, and in Vancouver, despite recent price drops, about 10 times.

The other measure is the price-to-rent index, which is analogous to the price-earnings ratio for stocks: how much it costs to buy a house relative to annual rents (rents are like the earnings one could derive from owning a stock). Since 2007, this ratio is up 20 per cent, which again is among the fastest in developed countries.

According to recent analysis by the Economist, Canadian house prices are overvalued by 32 per cent relative to income, and by 76 per cent relative to rents, for an overall average overvaluation of 54 per cent compared with long-term averages. Only a handful of countries such as Belgium, Hong Kong and Singapore were more overvalued.

The key lesson we learn from history is that housing bubbles do burst. In Finland, house prices almost doubled between 1987 and 1989, but by 1992 were about 50 per cent off the 1989 peak. Japan experienced a real estate bubble between 1985 and 1990. House prices in Britain have declined by more than 20 per cent from their recent peak, in Spain by more than 25 per cent, in the U.S. by more than 40 per cent and in Ireland by 50 per cent.

 
Comment by mikeinbend
2012-07-22 21:19:53

I’ve only egg on my face…

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 08:12:30

“The reality is those who want a modest home are getting outbid.”

I guess the Bend, OR investor model must be up and running again?

More homes on market in region
Central Oregon’s median sales prices still rising
By David Fisher / The Bulletin
Published: August 11. 2006 4:00AM PST

Sellers react

It’s hard to tell how sellers will react to the upwelling of inventory, Foster noted. Some are selling because they have to sell. Others are just testing the waters at intentionally high prices, trying to see whether a buyer “with a bucket of money and a box of stupid” will show up to pay too much.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 08:14:17

“I hope it craters. That is true. But it is not what I am seeing. It was easier to buy houses in 2005.”

If something cannot go on forever, it will stop.

– Herbert Stein

 
Comment by Muggy
2012-07-22 10:58:25

“But it is not currently. Call me a liar, but it doesn’t seem to matter if you are Awaiting in Ventura County or mikeinbend or Muggy or sfrenter.

The reality is those who want a modest home are getting outbid.”

I haven’t written an offer on a house in a long time. The last one I did not close on, closed lower than what I offered.

Comment by mikeinbend
2012-07-22 11:33:18

I thought you were also frustrated by the housing market. Sorry to have you confused regarding the reason(s) you have not purchased.

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Comment by Muggy
2012-07-22 13:21:17

Well, I guess I would like to buy a house at reasonable price, yes, but I have a good setup, rental-wise.

So, yes the buy market is wack. The rental market is hog heaven.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-07-22 15:47:01

the buy market is wack. The rental market is hog heaven.

What’s the going price compared to rent on a typical house in a decent neighborhood near the beach in your area, Muggy?

 
Comment by Muggy
2012-07-22 17:25:35

Prices vary from $180-$280k with bubble pricing up in the 400’s.

I pay $1,100 for 1,350sq. ft. 3/2
My neighbs pay $1,000 for 1,250 sq. ft. 2/1
Other neighbs pay $1,300 for 1,600 sq. ft. 3/2

All three are renting from out-of-staters that bought in the 80’s.

Note: when looking at buy prices, you have to factor in flood and windstorm insurance (adds $3k-5k/yr,). It’s possible my LL carries little insurance.

 
Comment by Muggy
2012-07-22 17:37:51

You’re not thinking of moving to Florida, are you?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-07-23 05:21:01

You’re not thinking of moving to Florida, are you?

Nope, I’m just collecting data. :wink:

 
 
Comment by Awaiting
2012-07-22 17:30:45

mikeinbend
IMHO you nailed it. I just came from an open house to see the tract floor plans. This DUMP (the seller has the chutzpah to call a “turnkey” home) was overpriced, but will sell with no inventory out there. What a filthy lipstick on a pig home. (The lipstick was even cheesy!) $400K with a doughboy pool. Yikes!
Next year will be worse. That Ca homemoaners bill of rights means no more foreclosures so REOs will disappear, few short sales, and mostly mods (aka extend & pretends).

Looks like the bubble blowers won folks, for a long time.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 18:52:17

“That Ca homemoaners bill of rights means no more foreclosures so REOs will disappear, few short sales, and mostly mods (aka extend & pretends).”

I’m guessing a lot more struggling CA homeowners will respond to the new Home Moaner’s Bill of Rights protections by taking advantage of the opportunity to default on their mortgages and live rent free. Eventually the insanity will end, the rent-free livers will be moved out into rental housing, and the REO collateral will come back on the market for sale.

Meanwhile, We’re Number 1 (the CA foreclosure rate is tops in the Nation)!

California Foreclosure Rate Tops In Nation; San Leandro Family’s Struggle Typical
July 12, 2012 4:25 PM

A foreclosed Stockton home. (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)
Reporting Doug Sovern

SAN FRANCISCO (KCBS) – California had the highest foreclosure rate in the country in July, a stark reminder that people are still losing their homes in record numbers despite state and federal efforts to end the housing crisis.

For the first time, there were more foreclosures in California than Nevada during a 30-day period, according to the RealtyTrac report for the first six months of 2012. Foreclosures in California have shot up 18 percent since June 2011.

“So many people have lost their entire net worth, their only asset. And a lot of it is because these banks gambled trillions of dollars on the derivatives markets,” said J.P. Messer with Foreclosure Defense, an activist group based in Oakland.

The Homeowner Bill of Rights signed by Gov. Jerry Brown signed on Wednesday comes too late for many of the 700,000 Californians who have already defaulted on their mortgages and been told by the bank to get out.

That’s exactly what happened to Pamela Hall of San Leandro, who owes nearly $500,000 on a diamond in the rough she turned into her dream home. Unfortunately now it’s only worth about $200,000.

I worked in the real estate world, so I thought I knew everything until the market crashed. And I got a rude awakening. We have been struggling, trying to hang onto our house,” she said.

Hall got laid off a few months ago, has a child in college and a 14-year-old daughter at home. And the bank has notified her it would foreclose and put the property up for sale within a week.

I don’t really know what we’re going to do. I mean, I don’t know. I don’t know,” Hall said.

 
Comment by mikeinbend
2012-07-22 21:18:20

Thanks for the info regarding living in a trailer. And, although harder than pulling teeth (dentist tomorrow); I gleaned some new perspective about you all. Yes, it is the bottom end I was referring to and am tempted to sell out from under; today. Just hesitant to disrupt a good tenant.

Maybe RAL would agree if I put my $$ towards a piece of land in the country and a couple container homes. (google them). Containers dropped onto your prop. nail pallets to the outside and tin with some Charlie Tango or Owens Pink for insullation in between. Flies in some places as long as they qualify as “temporary stuctures”. I would leave em up on wheels and put lattice around it with a deck.
Prolly ridiculous but we have lived in 440 sq ft apt for 4 years with two kids. With a nice deck and overlooking the hood. Thanks guys for something new and illuminating. It means a lot to me as I ponder selling or not selling. Carrying costs are not so bad here in OR.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-07-22 06:01:58

Updated: 7:37 a.m. Sunday, July 22, 2012 | Posted: 7:34 a.m. Sunday, July 22, 2012

US poverty on track to rise to highest since 1960s

By HOPE YEN

The Associated Press

WASHINGTON —
The ranks of America’s poor are on track to climb to levels unseen in nearly half a century, erasing gains from the war on poverty in the 1960s amid a weak economy and fraying government safety net.

Census figures for 2011 will be released this fall in the critical weeks ahead of the November elections.

The Associated Press surveyed more than a dozen economists, think tanks and academics, both nonpartisan and those with known liberal or conservative leanings, and found a broad consensus: The official poverty rate will rise from 15.1 percent in 2010, climbing as high as 15.7 percent. Several predicted a more modest gain, but even a 0.1 percentage point increase would put poverty at the highest since 1965.

Poverty is spreading at record levels across many groups, from underemployed workers and suburban families to the poorest poor. More discouraged workers are giving up on the job market, leaving them vulnerable as unemployment aid begins to run out. Suburbs are seeing increases in poverty, including in such political battlegrounds as Colorado, Florida and Nevada, where voters are coping with a new norm of living hand to mouth.

“I grew up going to Hawaii every summer. Now I’m here, applying for assistance because it’s hard to make ends meet. It’s very hard to adjust,” said Laura Fritz, 27, of Wheat Ridge, Colo., describing her slide from rich to poor as she filled out aid forms at a county center. Since 2000, large swaths of Jefferson County just outside Denver have seen poverty nearly double.

Fritz says she grew up wealthy in the Denver suburb of Highlands Ranch, but fortunes turned after her parents lost a significant amount of money in the housing bust. Stuck in a half-million dollar house, her parents began living off food stamps and Fritz’s college money evaporated. She tried joining the Army but was injured during basic training.

Now she’s living on disability, with an infant daughter and a boyfriend, Garrett Goudeseune, 25, who can’t find work as a landscaper. They are struggling to pay their $650 rent on his unemployment checks and don’t know how they would get by without the extra help as they hope for the job market to improve.

In an election year dominated by discussion of the middle class, Fritz’s case highlights a dim reality for the growing group in poverty. Millions could fall through the cracks as government aid from unemployment insurance, Medicaid, welfare and food stamps diminishes.

Comment by palmetto
2012-07-22 06:16:46

“Now she’s living on disability, with an infant daughter and a boyfriend, Garrett Goudeseune, 25, who can’t find work as a landscaper.”

Livin’ the dream!

“I’m Lovin’ It!”

Comment by combotechie
2012-07-22 06:28:24

Poof. Shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves.

Comment by palmetto
2012-07-22 06:32:13

Aww, she just made some bad choices.

Unmarried, with an infant daughter. Shoulda hooked up with an illegal, he’d find landscaping work.

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Comment by combotechie
2012-07-22 06:40:02

“… she just made some bad choices.”

She wasn’t alone: “Fritz says she grew up wealthy in the Denver suburb of Highlands Ranch, but fortunes turned after her parents lost a significant amount of money in the housing bust.”

What the boom doest giveth the bust doest taketh away.

 
Comment by oxide
2012-07-22 07:00:27

Where did they get the cash for those Hawaiian vacations?
During the bubble, all those wealth gains were locked in the house as equity due to phantom appreciation, not as checking account money for a cruise. It’s not like you can access that equity for cash.

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oh, wait.

 
Comment by combotechie
2012-07-22 07:23:45

My favorite financial advisor speaketh thus:

“If you paid off your mortgage off, it means you probably did not manage your funds efficiently over the years. It’s as if you had 500,000 dollars bills stuffed in your mattress.”

- David Lereah, L.A. times, August 28, 2005.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-07-22 08:20:45

Interesting development behind me.

House was a rental when I moved in. Then it was sold to a University of Arizona business student after the previous owners cut the asking price from $165k down to $135k.

Back in 2006 was when it sold to the UA b-schooler, and a $30k was quite the haircut back then. What was especially interesting was that it was an all-cash deal. I suspect that a parental HELOC was involved.

Mr. B-School tried to sell for $165k during the spring and summer of 2007. Epic fail. So much for getting that real estate license and listing your house, kiddo.

He started renting the place in September 2007. For the most part, his tenants were all right.

He tried to sell it again in 2010. Started out with a real estate agency. No, he wasn’t the listing agent this time around. ISTR that $165k price. Didn’t work.

Later in 2010, he tried selling it as a rent-to-own. That flopped too.

So, he started renting it to a bunch of, shall we say, inconsiderate college kids. I called the cops on them more than once. Wasn’t sorry to see them move out in the summer of 2011.

Well, who should arrive back in this house but Mr. B-School! And a lady friend/wife/whatever. I checked the University of Arizona directory, and it didn’t show him as an enrolled student. It still doesn’t.

Any-hoo, Mr. B-School and his lady were the ideal back-door neighbors. I never heard a peep out of them.

Until yesterday.

I heard a bunch of thumping and banging behind my house. Late in the day, I discovered the reason. They had moved out.

Don’t know what happened. But I do know that, during the spring of 2009 when I needed to have my water line replaced, the president of the neighborhood association helped me research the properties that the line traverses, and Mr. B-School’s property was one of them. According to Madame Presidente, he was delinquent on his property taxes.

During the line replacement, my plumbers found that his line was leaking like a sieve. So, they got in touch with Mr. B-School about replacing it.

The lead guy on my crew said that Mr. B-School was very sensitive about not spending a nickel more on his water line then he had to. Both the crew leader and I suspected that he was, ahem, a bit pinched for money.

Methinks that his college era in-VEST-ment has not worked out as he had hoped.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 08:48:56

“It’s as if you had 500,000 dollars bills stuffed in your mattress.”

Half mil in mattress money could come in handy at a time like this.

 
Comment by Montana
2012-07-22 10:12:16

I also remember how smart it was to get low interest student loans even if you didn’t need them, to invest in stocks.

Might have worked out for some people, I dunno.

 
 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-07-22 07:40:33

“Fritz says she grew up wealthy in the Denver suburb of Highlands Ranch, but fortunes turned after her parents lost a significant amount of money in the housing bust. Stuck in a half-million dollar house, her parents began living off food stamps and Fritz’s college money evaporated.”

I am having a hard time understanding this, I grew up in a wealthy suburb and my Mom is still there (Dad passed away). She didn`t lose a penny in the housing bust, her house was paid off years before the housing bust and it is still paid off. She is not stuck anywhere and the only thing that has evaporated is the puddles in the drivway after it rains. But then again I did not I grow up going to Hawaii every summer.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2012-07-22 09:12:37

My guess is that her definition (perhaps the modern definition?) of “wealthy suburb” is different than yours. Now it’s not how much money you have, it’s how much you were able to borrow…

 
 
 
Comment by salinasron
2012-07-22 06:48:22

Some how I missed this segment while watching movies filmed in Hawaii.

Comment by polly
2012-07-22 07:10:11

No, you didn’t. If she was just a visitor over the summers, then the scene is the shot of tourists lounging in Waikiki. The beach is nice enough, but two blocks in, it is a total dump.

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Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-07-22 07:18:36

As the snow flies

On a cold and gray Colorado mornin’
A poor little baby child is born in the suburbs

And his mama cries ’cause if there’s one thing that she don’t need It’s another hungry mouth to feed in the suburbs

People, don’t you understand the child needs a helping hand?
Or he’ll grow to be a lazy young man some day

Take a look at you and me, are we too blind to see?
Do we simply turn our heads and look the other way?

Well the world turns and a lazy little boy with a runny nose
Plays in the street and he eats Cheetos in the suburbs

Then one day in desperation a young man breaks away
He joins the army, climbs a rope, tries to run, but there ain`t no hope

And his mama cries

As a line forms behind a lazy young man
for a welfare check and a food stamp plan in the suburbs

As her young man applies for government assistance on a cold and gray Colorado mornin’

Another little baby child is born in the suburbs

And his mama cries

Comment by combotechie
2012-07-22 07:32:16

Excellent.

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Comment by SV guy
2012-07-22 07:56:33

Good one Jeff!

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Comment by aNYCdj
2012-07-22 08:16:59

I wonder if Elvis was starting out today would he have made it?

Or would he have been too radical for the wussie light weight sensitive rock music being made today?

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-07-22 08:28:48

If Elvis were a girl, I’d so-o-o be playing her music. Oh, would I ever!

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-07-22 09:06:38

Thats why i was surprised Adele made it…

Leela James live last week

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUpqCkBOdgg

 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2012-07-22 12:56:20

I knew Elvis is still alive

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Comment by salinasron
2012-07-22 06:45:36

““I grew up going to Hawaii every summer. Now I’m here, applying for assistance because it’s hard to make ends meet. It’s very hard to adjust,” said Laura Fritz, 27, of Wheat Ridge, Colo., describing her slide from rich to poor as she filled out aid forms at a county center. Since 2000, large swaths of Jefferson County just outside Denver have seen poverty nearly double.”
“Fritz says she grew up wealthy in the Denver suburb of Highlands Ranch, but fortunes turned after her parents lost a significant amount of money in the housing bust. Stuck in a half-million dollar house, her parents began living off food stamps and Fritz’s college money evaporated. She tried joining the Army but was injured during basic training.”

I’ve got news for whomever wrote this article, Fritz never was wealthy nor her family. Spoiled, on a beer budget with champaign tastes. I guess her parents HELOC atm just gave out.

Comment by combotechie
2012-07-22 06:59:08

“… fritz never was wealthy nor her family.”

Fake it ’till you make it, meanwhile fill in the gap with lots of borrowed money.

Comment by rms
2012-07-22 07:14:10

Fake it ’till you make it, meanwhile fill in the gap with lots of borrowed money.

+1 Yanks are good at faking it.

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Comment by combotechie
2012-07-22 08:02:45

“Yanks are good at faking it.”

Lol. Ain’t it da truth. We even have a prosperous fake boob industry.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-07-22 08:27:52

Fritz says she grew up wealthy in the Denver suburb of Highlands Ranch, but fortunes turned after her parents lost a significant amount of money in the housing bust.

Something strikes me as odd about this story, as property prices in highlands ranch have held up since the bubble burst. I wonder if her parents weren’t specuvestors in another boom town (say Vegas or Phoenix) and lost their shirts in the bust.

If her parents were members of the managerial class, so what if their highlands ranch house lost 10% (or whatever) of its value. That they are now on foodstamps seems to tell me that that:

a) They lost their jobs and have no other income or savings.
b) They never had had jobs and were playing the real estate game.
c) They are cheaters.

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Comment by SV guy
2012-07-22 08:05:59

“I’ve got news for whomever wrote this article, Fritz never was wealthy nor her family.”

+ a bazillion.

Is anybody really falling for the ‘unexpected’ evaporation of the middle class sob stories?

Comment by In Colorado
2012-07-22 08:21:46

While there are many who “faked it” and are now broke, there is no doubt that the US middle class has been taking it on the chin. I know plenty of families who used to be blue collar middle class and who have now joined the ranks of the lucky duckies, and I don’t even live in the rust belt. That food stamp enrollment has swollen to the point where 1 out 6 Americans receives them speaks volumes.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-07-22 09:02:14

Is anybody really falling for the ‘unexpected’ evaporation of the middle class sob stories?

I am. I just saw it during my USA visit last month. It’s real.

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Comment by combotechie
2012-07-22 09:05:31

“It’s real.”

But was it unexpected?

 
Comment by SV guy
2012-07-22 09:28:23

Rio,

I know it’s absolutely real. I see it all around.
I was speaking to the feigned surprise of our bought and paid for media.

Stevie Wonder could have seen that hollowing out our manufacturing industries would lead to this.

 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-07-22 10:12:53

“Stevie Wonder could have seen that hollowing out our manufacturing industries would lead to this.”

Old joke in the trades…..

How is the framing?

Stevie Wonder was cutting and Ray Charles was callin` out the measurements.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-07-22 11:43:21

That reminds me of another old joke I heard when I first worked in residential construction:

“What’s the 3 things you will never see on a job-site?

Plumb, level and square.”

Now it’s 4 things: “Plumb, level, square and legal citizens.”

 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-07-22 14:53:00

Yes we drug test, of course it`s multiple choice.

How did they do?

Half of em` failed.

 
Comment by SV guy
2012-07-22 15:09:44

Another trade joke….

What do you say to a guy with a third grade education?

“Nice weld.”

 
 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2012-07-22 09:52:59

Something tells me we are far better off than Laura Fritz’s parents were. But we made sure to live on far less. Not only to preserve our own financial future. Not only to save for our childrens’ education. But also to spare our children the comedown Laura has received.

This is not her fault. And, I would say, it’s not her generation’s fault. Her parents didn’t pay for college. The government has de-funded public higher education as the cost of senior benefits, public employee retirement and debt service has grown, and tuition has soared as a result. So you have a young woman join the army for financial reasons and get injured.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-07-22 10:15:38

True SalinasRon,

Around here many of my neighbors have nice driving machines but they are renting like me. They are the smart ones. The dumb ones are paying mortgages as well as driving expensive cars.

Is this what “extend and pretend” is all about?

The dot com bubble taught me a lot about fake economies and I was shocked that most people did not bother to see real estate as part of the fake economy. In a newspaper I read an article about upcoming defense cuts. A couple working at a defense company for decades were well aware defense spending was in a super cycle and the party would end sooner or later. They invested a lot, but they invested conservatively and they are prepared for not working again if that is what is asked of them.

But many people still don’t get it. A 20-something brash guy at work who is indisputably a great engineer just bought a $40,000 Japanese import. It cost double what my japanese economy car cost me in 2003. He will probably be laid off this Fall when the defense cuts come. But he has a set of wheels to get him to do the 40 mile each way commutes to the O.C. from Culver City if he must. He can get into commercial work fast. Commutes like that are not worth it unless you can end the lease and get a place near your new job. Can’t be done in his case. He owns a house in Culver city. His parents seem to have fanned the flames on these dumb decisions. But brash kids who know it all cannot be warned.

 
 
Comment by rms
2012-07-22 07:10:42

She tried joining the Army but was injured during basic training.

LOL! Can’t even get through the first eight weeks.

Comment by Carl Morris
2012-07-22 09:17:03

Lots of people don’t make it for a full enlistment, especially females. They seem to have hip or knee problems and can’t run any more, and they’re out. For my wife it was the knee, but it was toward the end of her enlistment so she was able to complete it OK.

Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-07-22 10:18:40

FTA.

Carl, You were enlist right?

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2012-07-22 13:00:43

I was. FTA - Future Truckers of America was the running joke in my unit :)

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-07-22 14:13:10

Yeah, we both were, 101st. I got out as E5 and she got out as E4. Did a few more years in the Wyoming guard while we went to college. Paid the rent in one weekend. Bailed on that as soon as we graduated. She was on profile the entire time in the guard but they didn’t seem to care…

 
Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-07-22 14:52:30

Signal Corps(clerks and jerks)E-5 knocked down to an E-2. ;)

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-07-22 16:59:24

Hmmm. Judging by your people skills I can’t say I’m shocked :-).

It was very important that I get out as soon as possible to avoid going to Leavenworth, but I did manage to make it out without killing anybody. I was sarcastic enough to get in a bit of trouble here and there I wasn’t really the type to run my mouth to the point of getting an article 15.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2012-07-22 17:52:18

9th Infantry Division, Supply and Transport. Beginning of the 2nd of my 3 year enlistment, I realized this was not the career for moi. I was an E-4 when I bowed out.

 
Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-07-22 19:27:40

Well…. less to do with people skills and more related to doing a whole lot of drinking, fighting, bowling across the bowling lanes instead of down, etc. Then some more fighting, drinking, fighting…. and drinking.

 
Comment by jane
2012-07-22 20:30:29

What the hay. You showed ‘em that the Upstate NY country boyz are tough! I’d have done the same in your shoes, no kidding.

Seems to be a whole culcha, at least in the Marines, that sez if you’re a (insert random adjective) (insert random noun), or a Yankee, you’re dogmeat.
Didn’t help that he’s a self-taught artist. Made a bit of change selling tat designs and painting various castoff parts, tromp d’oiel style.

The experience matured him. He went in dispirited and angry. He came out calm and upbeat, and with friends all over the country. Broken heart and all, too bad THAT didn’t work out. For these blessings, and for the fact that he came home with all of his fingers and toes, I am grateful. He’ll start looking for a job right around the time I think house prices are going to start cratering in Northern VA.

We’ll be number one yet, just you wait!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 08:47:15

“US poverty on track to rise to highest since 1960s”

I have to guess a lot of these newly impoverished Americans were scammed into overpaying for homes on which they were later foreclosed?

Comment by combotechie
2012-07-22 09:02:57

Or how about seeing the large number of newly impoverished Americans as being the result of a fake economy powered by borrowed money being reset (that’s if we are lucky) to an economy powered by something a bit more sustainable.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-07-22 11:47:30

“US poverty on track to rise to highest since 1960s”

Anybody remember what happened in the 60s? And I don’t mean the pop culture crap.

Comment by jane
2012-07-22 20:34:10

no, sorry, don’t have a clue about the economy, I do remember from history that it was the Age of Aquarius, flower power, Haight Ashbury, bell bottoms kind of thing.

You do good ‘dot connecting’. What happened in the 60s that has to do with our current predicament? Overpriced shacks and Lucky Ducky wages?

Thanks in advance.

Comment by ecofeco
2012-07-22 22:06:44

While the economy was doing well, it was leaving huge segments of the population behind. Mostly the minority segments, but also the poor of all races.

Everyone remembers the war protests, but the worst effects were the civil rights riots. Riots. Not protests. Every major city burned at one time. It was so bad, the National Guard were becoming a regular feature every summer in some large city or another. Civil rights were merely an over-aching, umbrella to address the disparity and extreme poverty as well as racism and discrimination of the times. It was really about the poverty

And there was the Democratic Convention Riot of 1968…

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Comment by jane
2012-07-23 16:41:27

Thanks for history lesson. Seems to me that the folks today are somewhat less feisty than 50 years ago - I don’t see a will to action such as there must have been in the 60s. The newly poor that I know are dispirited, living on the edge between paralysis and hope (that they can keep it together for another month or two).

Of course I’m no role model for action either, working all hours and studying, not walking the streets with a sandwich board protesting the Gini index. My self-centered hope is to see my kids attain their own trajectories.

Thanks again for the history.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-07-22 06:48:51

Shadow inventory still massively inflated…. and climbing.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5382/69208773.jpg

Comment by Specu-debtor
2012-07-22 07:24:36

If you were not telling the truth I would call you a liar.

Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-07-22 07:46:53

Indeed Specu-Debtor.

And why do they lie? Their entire future depends on the directions of prices. Sadly, their losses are mounting.

Check out the rental vacancy rate… it’s at a record high too.

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/7616/vacancym.jpg

The liars hate this truth.

Comment by Specu-debtor
2012-07-22 08:17:08

Like the charts. However…on the street, in certain areas anyway, it is hard to find a decent rental. With two dogs and out on our a$$es, we were at landlords mercy last November to find a new rental roof. We had a backup plan; moving into our own home, but we did not want the kids to transfer districts.

The hottest new scam is application fees charged to prospective tenants. For $40 they will tell you you can’t move in. Thank goodness we had a former landlord who had a vacancy and we did not pay any application fees.
Hopefully, many of the empty houses will come online into the rental pool which would allow for rents to fall, nicer rentals, and less discerning landlords.

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Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-07-22 09:13:38

Rental rates are falling in the biggest cities.

Down in:

Chicago
Atlanta
Los Angeles
Denver
NYC

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-07-22 08:24:06

Here in Tucson, the rental vacancy rate is about 16%.

That isn’t stopping developers from building more apartment complexes. Nor is it keeping in-VEST-ors from snapping up SFRs to rent out.

When it comes to housing bulls, Tucson seems to peg the stupid meter.

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-07-22 10:58:46

I think it will creep up to above 5,000,000 again in a year or so.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-07-22 06:56:19

Ohbewanna new healthplan: Long Island College Hospital laid off 150 employees on Friday in a major bloodletting at the ailing medical institution.

http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/35/30/dtg_lichlayoffs_2012_07_20_bk.html

Comment by polly
2012-07-22 07:13:44

So, a hospital that has over built cutting down to a size that better matches the needs of the community is attributed to a health care plan that hasn’t been implemented yet?

“The insider said LICH, which now has more than 300 beds, is planning to downsize to a 220-bed facility.”

Moron alert.

Comment by aNYCdj
2012-07-22 08:20:33

Hmmmm shouldn’t they be ramping up for the new influx of medicaid patients???

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-07-22 08:25:57

Why aren’t they doing community outreach to fill up the beds…good times are ahead….full employment….why hurt innocent hard middle class workers today?

Comment by polly
2012-07-22 11:13:11

Community outreach? What like hiring someone to start breaking legs and stabbing people all over the neighborhood? Maybe hire someone with pneumonia to cough on people?

Community outreach doesn’t fill hospital beds. Not even with Medicaid patients. Businesses scale themselves to the size necessary to meet demand. Hospitals get paid differently than others, so their adjustments are to signals you may not be able to see, but that doesn’t mean they don’t do it.

And your slurs against the president’s name are so incoherent as to make you appear illiterate as well as stupid. Stop it.

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Comment by calurker
2012-07-22 12:26:55

Thanks, Polly.

 
 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-07-22 11:56:17

There are several million people who are now receiving refund checks from insurance companies that over-charged them. They are receiving them as a direct result of the new health care laws.

Would you say this a good thing or a bad thing?

Medicare and Medicaid fraud prosecutions are at an all time high under this administration. Fraud that has been ongoing for years and already resulted in the theft of billions. Billion that are no longer being stolen.

Again, good or bad?

I know many here have a problem with the new law, yet its already delivering benefits to million are indisputable.

Comment by aNYCdj
2012-07-22 12:15:57

I dont know Eco…maybe you are right but then just like the CC law OH let the CC companies change over tens of millions of CC to variable rate one before it took effect…..so the time lapse to 2013 and 14 will give everyone a chance to find ways to circumvent this law.

States already dont want to increase medicaid coverage even if the fed guv picks up most of the tab…

And still very little in dental coverage and we are all now Indie Amway, Direct Face to face marketing salesmen and millions of people have missing or bad teeth…. that’s sure good for future employment.

PS my teeth are fine, but who knows about the next cashew i bite into..

Comment by calurker
2012-07-22 12:30:55

I am wondering if you are making a conscious decision to not only not have your glass half empty rather than half full, but to have it actually bone dry and smashed to pieces. Someone could give you a glass half full of water and you would complain, “No one is strong enough to pick up a glass anymore. This glass will fall on the floor and smash to pieces, injuring most of our society today!!! Giving me the glass was a horrible horrible idea!”

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Comment by aNYCdj
2012-07-22 12:53:14

Having a glass half full and accepting it is Mediocrity…and that’s what we have today and maybe with Mitt we will have 55% full and it’s still Mediocrity.

It would be nice to have someone aim higher..

 
 
Comment by polly
2012-07-22 14:40:14

OK, dj, lets go over your whines one at a time.

You have credit card debt so you want the federal government to give everyone with a credit card $3000. Anything else you want the government to pay for you? Your cell phone bill or maybe your rent?

You think it is entirely the president’s fault that the new law keeping the banks and credit card companies from some of their nastier dirty tricks allowed time for implementation that allowed the companies to raise rates before they would have to provide a reason for doing so. Tell you what, if the law had required that particular aspect to be implemented immediately, all the credit card rates would have been raised to the maximum allowable rate before the law passed (they have computers, it isn’t that hard to raise a rate) and then they would have lowered them for a few favored customers at their leisure. Plus, the president can only sign or not sign laws that congress passes. If the law had required implementation as of the date it became effective, it would never have passed. Do you think there are NO people lobbying for the banks in DC? Seriously?

You think that the passing of a health care law should somehow mean that no health care worker ever gets laid off again, ever. Really?

You don’t have dental insurance so you think that the government should pay for dental appointments. Guess what. I don’t have dental insurance either. Find a cheaper dentist. And your reasoning for this is that jobs require people to be attractive and bad teeth aren’t attractive. So, maybe the government should pay for everyone to have whitening and veneers, rather than just dental care? How about haircuts? You should make sure your hair is well groomed before a job interview or going to work. Should the federal government pay for your hair cut? Maybe just shampoo and conditioner?

And then the epic fail idea of the government paying off all the student loans for people willing to turn in a piece of paper but who can still prove they have the education needed to prove they received degrees. How many hundreds of billions of dollars will that one cost? Have you even tried to figure it out?

You make yourself look worse every time you type a single word. Is it a little amusing for the rest of us? Yes, sometimes. But, dude, you want people to be laughing with you, not at you.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2012-07-22 15:45:54

ooH I like it when Polly gets mad….

Well Deadbeat homeowners haven’t paid the mortgage in Years and they get more and more money thrown at them

100 million times $3,000 is $300 billion…in direct stimulus from the ground up….far less then QE1 2 and 3…which hasn’t produced much of anything. Why wont they even try? Let alone extend unemployment past 99 weeks.

Where did the stimulus money go? to fill the holes in government balance sheets? There is no more money in NYC to help people retrain for jobs unless its truck drivers for Fresh Direct, or Armed security guards…nothing else.

The government made a choice to gut manufacturing, and one of the unintended consequences is millions now have to do face to face sales, Good Teeth are important to any kind of job security, so YES it should be included in a basic health care package. And not just for kids.

And for student loans…Polly its a lose lose situation anyway, millions will default and work under the table or at very poor paying jobs, so there is not much of a paycheck to attach. Or we face up to it, and repossess the degree (ONE degree and Once in a lifetime) and hopefully work hard and pay back more in taxes than the write off cost.

 
Comment by polly
2012-07-22 20:21:39

QE = quantitative easing which is done by the fed, not the president and congress. And because were are at the zero lower bound, most if it is not a direct expense. Inflation has been remarkably tame for the amount of money that has been pumped in. By the way, there hasn’t been ANY QE3. We are still waiting for that.

You think there is money being thrown at house owners who haven’t paid, but you are wrong. There isn’t. Very little is happening on that front. All they have had is free rent. You didn’t get that? Tough. Life isn’t fair.

It isn’t the job of government to train adults for new jobs. It is nice when there is enough money for it, but not its responsibility by a long shot. You want a new job? Go to CCNY and train for one.

The government didn’t make a decision to gut manufacturing. That was brought to you by the owners of the businesses. They are the ones who decided that the only constituency they had to care about was stock holders. Business used to consider employees and their communities to be worthy of consideration too. Now most don’t. But the old ways were never legally required. They were the result of politeness (and labor shortages). Now the owners of capital don’t care. Until workers and consumers decide to vote with their feet, they won’t ever care.

And you are wrong about student loans too. Most people are paying them. Slowly and painfully, but they are doing it.

You can’t make up facts, dj. Every argument you make is based on something that is demonstrably FALSE. Educate yourself. Being ignorant is boring.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-07-22 20:51:35

So everything is false…..Sure QE is by the fed by our lackluster president isn’t doing anything to stop it or offer any other solutions. Inflation tame…..oh you are SO WRONG

Everyday i see prices rising a lot now Kelloggs have just introduced almost mini sized cereal box …but the unit price per pound is still going UP I like the Post honey bunches of oats with fruit blends now they are 14.5 oz before 18 then 16

Tuna fish just seemed to go up 50 cents a can overnight. Last year i remember family size hamburger at $1.99lb now on sale its $2.99…same with steak..ok pork is less….Ice cream 50-75 cents more and all of them …collusion?

Sure computers are cheaper but what else?

Oh living mortgage free standing in walmart on black friday with tons of cash is a great idea? Where is our feckless leader with even an ounce of moral courage to say this is wrong?

You’re right it isn’t the governments job to train new workers students should have the necessary entry level skills when they graduate high school but again the reality is we have allowed ebonics to take over and massive functional illiteracy is ok to our president, especially minority people why educated them 50% youth unemployment is just fine with the prez. So is HB1’s visas Like I said we need some tough love in America…and mitt is not the answer either.

Thats why i call him ohbewanna….he must really hate black people not to even say a word about any of this.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-07-22 21:33:47

Don’t you think I would have done that long ago if i had free rent…Ill bet those deadbeat homeowners are livin it up and are too stupid to think of this once in a lifetime opportunity to get FREE rent and to use the $$$ for a paid off education….

You want a new job? Go to CCNY and train for one.

PS I wonder how many bubble money makers paid off their student loans first?

 
Comment by mikeinbend
2012-07-22 21:38:01

I used my bubble bux to pay as I went to get my teaching license.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by ahansen
2012-07-22 07:40:06

Dear HBB,

Four years ago I dashed off a quick post to Ben’s forum, threw some tea down my throat, and headed up the mountain to work on my irrigation system. It didn’t turn out so well for me that day, but in the aftermath of a horrific bear attack you guys came through like champs.

I’ve written a book about my misadventure and would like to share the part about the “ursadent” with all of you who so nicely contributed to my reassembly and rehabilitation. If you read the blog regularly you’ve probably noted, I’m back– and I’m just as ornery as ever.

This is my anniversary thank you to everyone. And especially to Ben for his lifesaver of a blog!

Go to:
ursadent.com
Choose: Special edition for HBB Members
Password at the prompt is: HBB

With special thanks to ArizonaSlim for setting up this nifty website.

Comment by polly
2012-07-22 08:24:31

I read it Friday night - couldn’t stop once I started. Excellent job. Your voice is loud and clear. Congratulations.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-07-22 08:27:48

Thank you, ahansen, for the website shout-out. Not to mention your critique of my radio shows. Both are very much appreciated!

If you would like to join the Arizona Slim Radio Show Critique Team, the opportunity will come this evening at 5 p.m. MST. That’s 8 p.m. EDT.

Get ready for one hour of Rock -n- Roll Women! And, yes, the show will be web-streaming live.

 
Comment by SV guy
2012-07-22 09:31:47

Allena,

I’m about half way through the read right now but I have some outdoor activities that need attention before it gets hottt. I will finish it later today.

I must say your writing style and wit are beyond compare!

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-07-22 10:47:59

Great job ahansen. Your writing is strong, as are you.

 
Comment by SV guy
2012-07-22 15:31:18

I have finished the second half and thoroughly enjoyed it.

I especially like your ‘big picture’ take on things. I try to take the same view myself.

What are the chances of buying a signed copy of your book?

Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2012-07-22 17:29:04

“What are the chances of buying a signed copy of your book?”

Ditto.

And please let me know if you ever do a speaking tour - I’d bet my school would love to have you speak here.

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Comment by ahansen
2012-07-22 23:54:14

Have to find someone to publish it first. Any contacts would be appreciated!

Thanks for your kind words, all!

a

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Comment by Carl Morris
2012-07-23 06:25:03

I know a lady of similar intelligence and political persuasion as yourself who went through a very similar process a few years ago who could probably give you some pointers if that would be helpful. I know you’ve posted an email address before but I don’t have it…

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-07-23 09:08:09

Carl,

I’m at dvsntt at bee enn eye ess dot net

 
 
 
 
Comment by Captain Credit Crunch
2012-07-22 10:24:50

Enjoyed hearing your voice. Thank you. You may wish to fix the typo on page 331 “let along” to “let alone.”

 
Comment by Muggy
2012-07-22 11:07:01

Thanks, Allena. I’ve appreciated your thoughtfulness over the years. I’m glad you’re still with us.

 
Comment by jane
2012-07-22 15:05:28

Allena, fabulous, limpid prose! I want to buy a couple of these! Please, please tell me where I can do so!

Your bestest fan, Jane

 
Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2012-07-22 17:26:20

A deja vu from the HBB past for all those who remember that terrible news 4 years ago:

http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=4833

(Hope it’s ok to share Allena - was interesting to rehear from some we haven’t seen in awhile.)

 
 
Comment by Specu-debtor
2012-07-22 08:00:57

I, for one, enjoyed the bubble. No lie!

The bubble in real estate allowed me to play rich for more than a dozen years. That is half a career; it was fun to make money faster than I could spend it. I got to see my kids growing up with mom and I both at home, pay for schooling, pay for surgeries, be a landlord, and own a paid for house at the end. It has been fun to play with hundreds of thousands of dollars. Too bad I did not have the good sense to stop. I coulda done better if I woulda stopped after selling two properties in 2006. Should have seen the writing on the wall then my kids would have modest college funds. But I guess I didn’t find the HBB soon enough.

So I took a couple $100+ thousand dollar hits after the market turned. Even on the house my wife foreclosed on. We got burned because we put our skin in the game. Put $80k down and $75k more in mortgage payments. Lost another 100k+ going all in in Utah on our dreamhome in hostile territory. The Mormon biship(prophet? more like profit) that sold us that place was the liar; he said we would fit in(as non-LDS in Cache County) and we foolishly believed him.

If some of you feel angry, blame also the greater fools who allowed me to lock in gains time and time again. Do you begrudge people who invest in stocks when they win or lose?

Never needed a Heloc; just needed to ring the register a few times, and cash out that equity. Cha-ching. Easy come easy go. When I sold vegetables my nickname was Easy Money. What’s next?

Comment by Ben Jones
2012-07-22 08:03:26

‘Cha-ching…What’s next’

Global depression. Thanks a lot easy money.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-07-22 08:33:59

But Ben, aren’t we, as good, rugged, pull yourself by your bootstraps individualists, supposed to only care about ourselves? Who cares if the global economy collapses, as long as I made out like a bandit? Thinking about the common good? Isn’t that what commies and socialists do?

Aren’t these our contemporary American “values”.

Comment by mikeinbend
2012-07-22 09:38:52

Sorry I did not find your blog sooner. It would have at least made me think about what I was doing. Flame away; I am not a bad person intent on ruining the world.

I played a part in the bubble, which is what prompted me to comment here. People like me who got in over our heads actually pay your rent, no?

Maybe not as we did not trash our foreclosure, selling dishwasher, hot water heater, toilets, doors and doorknobs. Slashing blinds, pulling copper, putting holes in the walls, not my style. Easy money did not make me vindictive which is partly why foreclosures are deliberately trashed. Some lucky infestor got our ex-home basically turnkey.

Are you not making your own hay out of the bubble? Not saying its easy money; but it is opportunity you are capitalizing on. You’re welcome!

I am vulnerable to attack because I offer my true story. No-one knows how hard I worked to allow a home purchase in the first place. When I was “Easy Money”, I had a good deal going. I also worked 6 days a week, 6-10 hours per day(variable depending on if I had to go to LA). Starting every Sunday in the cooler at 3AM sorting boxes was not exactly easy money.

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Comment by Montana
2012-07-22 10:21:09

It’s not what you did necessarily, but your obsessive need to confess it at HBB over and over.

 
Comment by mikeinbend
2012-07-22 10:35:52

I was quite content to let it rest; until RAL started calling folks pimps and liars. Nuff said, bye for now.

 
Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-07-22 11:04:21

Cya liar.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 15:42:16

Suppose a Devil’s advocate (like, say, me) suggests the global economy will not sink into a Greater Depression (channeling Jas Jain here) but rather will continue to muddle along through QE3, QE4, QE5, … until eventual recovery.

What, if any, evidence do you have to suggest this scenario is overly optimistic?

 
 
Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-07-22 09:39:08

“If some of you feel angry, blame also the greater fools who allowed me to lock in gains time and time again.”

uh huh…. considering your losses were greater than any fantasy gains, there is no reason to be angry.

Besides, prices are falling.

Comment by mikeinbend
2012-07-22 10:34:23

I had 60k in 1995. Now I have a paid off house that is in better shape than the house I started with.

I am not trying to be a liar; tell me how I lost more than I gained. For future reference so I can live righteous like you do.

Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-07-22 11:06:09

You had $60k in 1995. Now you have nothing but a depreciating shack.

Well done drama queen.

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Comment by Muggy
2012-07-22 11:10:52

“Do you begrudge people who invest in stocks when they win or lose?”

No, because typically those losses do not present a scenario in which I need to struggle to provide shelter for my children.

I’m eating your rice first.

Comment by mikeinbend
2012-07-22 11:51:25

free rice for all!
Thought your wife wanted a home. Like it was a sore spot that you had not provided one. If they are closing lower than your offering price what is stopping you from buying that security she desires?

Sorry, I would be more popular if I just called everyone I disagreed with a liar.

What do you call someone who owns an appreciating depreciating asset? A liar! If the price drops to a dollar I will still not have to short sell it. Or I could just go live there. I like my investment in housing just fine so I guess I am done here.

Does not matter that I provide shelter to a nice realtor and am a good landlord to her, or that I live rent free where I want thanks to the dividends on my home, I am somehow lying.

I’ll tell you when I get burned, otherwise cya RAL (bitter renter)

Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-07-22 12:53:49

This has nothing to with me kiddo and everything to do with your pimping.

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Comment by Muggy
2012-07-22 13:25:56

“If they are closing lower than your offering price what is stopping you from buying that security she desires?”

Because we live two blocks from the Gulf, and rent at a fraction of the cost of owning.

Wait, aren’t you the guy that has kids on food stamps… that stopped paying on one of your houses?

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Comment by mikeinbend
2012-07-22 21:36:55

You know it, Oregon Health Plan for the kids, too. I know of a gal who works at a kids club I volunteer for and she is section 8 to boot. Also takes in day-care under the table (pot and beer money) and has two illegal roomies.

I don’t know why RAL calls me a liar, with all the crap stuff I have talked about myself. I resemble the lucky ducky; we have been able to hold on to a house and medical insurance. One of these two has to go soon.

Put up with the name calling Just to get some insight; Plus its kinda fun to stir $hit up on the internet!; insight that continues to intruigue me. My wife and I both work, (four P/T jobs between us, no insurance) probably could have qualified for years. Been on for a year and hate it, actually. The dentists suck and gettin appointments take forever. you get what you pay for

Better than giving them the house for hyterectomy. which came up this year, as well as crippling migranes my wife suffered last summer.

You know Ben has no health insurance. What’s the diff? I paid 150k+ cap gains tax on houses, paid over $200k for my own schooling and prop taxes and uncovered surgeries and covered surgeries…If I had no health insurance for my family overthe last 15 years I would still have two houses…Or none, depending on if I paid the medical bills out of pocket (they helped on 3 of my four surgeries and also my wifes hysterectomy only cost $8k) or not. More significant contributions I have made in taxes and subsidizing the uninsured than I have extracted on one year of some food stamps bux and OHP.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 08:00:58

The chart which accompanies this article suggests California has the highest foreclosure rate in the U.S. as of June 2012, with one out of 288 housing units entering foreclosure. So much for the repetitively false theory that the housing market has bottomed out.

Eminent domain and mortgages

Negative enmity
An unusual plan to relieve struggling homeowners quickly makes enemies
Jul 21st 2012 | ONTARIO, CALIFORNIA | from the print edition

BRENT SCHULTZ, housing director for Ontario, points out the foreclosed houses on the residential streets of this sleepy town in south-east California. Their boarded-up windows and unkempt façades annoy the neighbours. Having seen the value of their own properties plummet, in some cases by 50% or more, householders do not need eyesores next door.

The crash hit San Bernardino County, of which Ontario is one of the larger cities, particularly hard. Nearly half the mortgages in the county are “underwater”, meaning that the value of the outstanding loan exceeds the market value of the property, according to Greg Devereux, the county’s chief executive. The local foreclosure rate was among the highest in California in June, which in turn had the highest rate among America’s states.

So the county and two of its cities (including Ontario) are considering an innovative proposal: to use the powers of eminent domain to seize underwater mortgages from investors and chop them down to size. “Eminent domain”, a power implied by the fifth amendment to the constitution, grants governments the right to make compulsory purchases of private property for public use. A state may, for example, forcibly eject a recalcitrant landowner to make way for a railway, so long as he is compensated at fair value.

Mortgage Resolution Partners (MRP), a firm based in San Francisco, thinks that power could be extended to buy up mortgages. Large numbers of struggling homeowners hamper economic recovery, runs the argument; relieving them, with proper compensation for the mortgage-holders, would satisfy the constitutional requirement for “public use”.

Under its proposal, MRP would work with officials to identify mortgages ripe for seizure; at first, only homeowners who were up-to-date on their repayments would be eligible. MRP would drum up private investment to finance the mortgage purchases at prices determined in court (as in all eminent-domain cases). Once the loan is bought, the principal would be cut and the repayment terms eased. A win for the homeowner; a win for the local economy, thanks to growing consumer spending and (with luck) a revived construction industry; and a win for MRP, which earns a juicy fee from each transaction.

But there is always a loser under eminent domain. And in this case the loser is not a crank in a shed hurling abuse at railway planners, but wealthy investors in mortgage-backed securities.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-07-22 08:30:39

… and a win for MRP, which earns a juicy fee from each transaction.

There you have it. The banksters win big again.

Comment by ecofeco
2012-07-22 12:02:30

Exactly.

Rigged, rigged, rigged.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 08:04:36

FEW SAN DIEGANS TRY FORECLOSURE REVIEW
Some who put in requests aren’t hopeful; many avoiding forms out of fatigue, distrust
Written by Lily Leung
12:01 a.m., July 22, 2012
Updated 9:42 p.m. , July 20, 2012

Imagine trying to move on from a foreclosure, and years later, getting a letter asking if you’d consider a free review of that painful event. Would you take it or leave it?

It appears few are saying yes to those offers, which lenders were required to send out under government order. Of the 4 million people who may be eligible for reviews, only 5.3 percent have actually submitted for one.

And many of those who have put in requests, like Trevor Richardson of Mission Valley, aren’t hopeful it will make much of a difference in the end.

“If it works, it works … I totally thought it was a long shot,” said Richardson, who was in the foreclosure process in 2009.

Richardson, 41, is among a legion of ex-borrowers who have felt strung along and slapped around by lenders. They’re fatigued and have lost trust in the same corporations that have been known to repeatedly lose documents from homeowners seeking loan modifications and improperly approve paperwork in what became the robo-signing crisis of 2009 and 2010.

Borrower fatigue is a key topic in a June report from the U.S. Government Accountability Office. That report mainly discusses design flaws in the foreclosure-review process that may have deterred people from participating.

Government auditors maintain that the federal agencies that mandated the reviews — the Federal Reserve, Office of the Comptroller of the Currency and the Office of Thrift Supervision — failed to carefully plot out how the review letters would be sent out and by whom.

Many borrowers have said they initially thought the review letters were junk, possible scams. Others who verified their authenticity were still turned off by the offers because they associated bad memories with the senders — the lenders.

Comment by combotechie
2012-07-22 08:20:35

“Richardson, 41, is among a legion of ex-borrowers who have felt strung along and slapped around by lenders. They’re fatigued and have lost trust in the same corporations that have been known to repeatedly lose documents from homeowners seeking loan modifications and improperly improve paperwork in what became the robo-signing crisis of 2009 and 2010.”

“Never underestimate the power of incentives.” Charles Munger

Who is it that has the incentive to “repeatedly lose documents from homeowners seeking loan modifications”?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-07-22 08:32:42

I’d like to get a job as a document loser. I hear it pays pretty well.

Comment by combotechie
2012-07-22 09:20:22

About thirty years ago a guy I worked with was being jacked around for months by his bank after he tried to refinance his mortgage.

I asked him, since THERE WAS NO INCENTIVE for the bank to refinance his high-interest loan to a lower-interest loan, why he didn’t he right at the beginning go to another bank?

“I never thought of it that way”, he said.

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Comment by combotechie
2012-07-22 09:27:16

Promise everything, deliver nothing.

Promise to reset the interest rate so as to keep him from walking, deliver nothing so as to keep the profit margin intact.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-07-22 12:10:34

I’ve walked away from many a business that was trying to jerk me around, no matter how bad I needed what they had.

And I do mean literally, walked. Because they were either holding my (beater) car hostage, or didn’t give me the check they promised and I had no way to pay for transportation (bus or gas or cab) or made me stand in a line to only end up not getting the product/service I was waiting for.

I will NEVER go back to those places.

You will not and cannot hold me captive by my wallet/credit rating, or dire need or want.

Don’t get me wrong, it wasn’t easy and I suffered short term for it. But it got easier and easier each time.

 
Comment by Robin
2012-07-22 19:33:08

I always vote with my dollars and do not suffer fools gladly.

I earned it!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Roidy
2012-07-22 08:13:55

Gentle Readers,
Still no perp walks? Hmmm.
Regards,
Roidy

Comment by Montana
2012-07-22 10:22:10

Hey!

Comment by ahansen
2012-07-22 14:11:57

Yo, Roidster!

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-07-22 12:13:15

Plenty of them. Just Google it. “mortgage fraud prosecutions” under “Google News”

Not the ones we want, but that’s because there IS a huge backlog.

 
Comment by Roidy
2012-07-22 15:45:12

Yo!
Roidy

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2012-07-22 11:13:04

Whu whu wait. An article on abandoned homes in upstate NY? NO WAY! There was never a bubble there. This is soooooo unexpected.

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20120722/NEWS01/307220027/Vacant-homes-Rochester?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home

Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-07-22 13:32:27

why…. why….. why yes Mugster! There was no bubble in upstate NY. That only happened in Fee-Nix, Vega$$ and FL!

How can this be?!!!

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-07-22 12:20:03

If ya have some time,listen to my friend Lola starts at 330-6pm ET….tell me what you think..

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Comment by Muggy
2012-07-22 13:38:49

So here’s one for the HBB record books. My BIL is buying a house (outside NYC) because his wife recently had a stillborn and they don’t want to bury the ashes at a rental.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 14:01:45

Great individual anecdote there to demonstrate how housing mania-era thinking lives on.

 
Comment by combotechie
2012-07-22 14:13:04

Okay, let’s take a look at this:

Your BIL = your brother-in-law?

His wife = the woman married to your brother-in-law?

Does that make his wife your sister? Is there another way to look at this?

Comment by Carl Morris
2012-07-22 14:18:15

His wife’s brother?

Comment by combotechie
2012-07-22 14:23:45

I am not good when it comes to keeping track of relationships, such as second-cousin-once-removed.

Here’s one for the board: If a couple are born in Arkansas, fall in love in Arkansas, get married in Arkansas, then come to California and get divorced, are they, in Arkansas, still legally considered to be brother and sister?

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 14:53:02

It’s really easy once you get the hang of it.

Your first cousin’s child is your first cousin, once removed.

Your first cousin’s grandchild is your first cousin, twice removed.

Your child is your first cousin’s child’s second cousin.

Your child is your first cousin’s grandchild’s second cousin, once removed.

Your grandchild is your first cousin’s grandchild’s third cousin.

Very mathematical, right up your alley…

 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-07-22 16:03:50

“It’s really easy once you get the hang of it.”

I know a dude who married his adopted son`s biological aunt from his first marriage. His adopted son`s aunt who is now his second wife is pregnant with his biological son. When this child is born will his or her brother be his or her brother or second cousin? Will anyone have to be removed and if so how many times?

 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-07-22 17:51:25

his second wife is pregnant with his biological son.

his second wife is pregnant with his biological child.

But the question still remains….Will anyone have to be removed and if so how many times?

 
 
 
 
Comment by ahansen
2012-07-22 14:16:33

Your bro-in-law sounds like a sweetheart of a man. Hope both the house and the family work out for them.

Comment by Muggy
2012-07-22 15:18:26

He is.

He’s the nicest dude in the world.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-07-22 14:50:22

It is an odd variation of the more common reason people buy a huge financial burden: “So that I can paint the walls my favorite colors!”

Let’s see: That will be $25,000 per wall ($100,000 in a four-wall bedroom)…

 
Comment by SV guy
2012-07-22 15:19:25

My BIL’s wife had a stillborn. It started her on a descent from which she still hasn’t recovered from. It fundamentally changed her mental state. Their marriage is toast. She has become an alcoholic.

Not good.

 
Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2012-07-22 17:41:15

“So here’s one for the HBB record books. My BIL is buying a house (outside NYC) because his wife recently had a stillborn and they don’t want to bury the ashes at a rental.”

What a sad situation. I hope they are recovering as well as can be expected.

Is there anyway you can gently suggest there is no hurry to bury the ashes? They can keep him or her in a nice urn until they are ready or even until they find their final retirement home.

It’s hard to see people making decisions from grief and they really should wait at least a year before making any large financial decisions including buying a house. But it may not be easy to get them to see that in a gentle way.

Too many lives on hold because of this stupid bubble!

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 14:24:39

Oh bugger — it looks like another miserable week ahead for Wall Street investors. How many more rotten weeks like this can The Street endure before the entire world gives up on the stock market?

July 22, 2012, 9:00 a.m. EDT
U.S. economy moving sideways again
Momentum unlikely to pick up much in third quarter
By Jeffry Bartash, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — All evidence points to another slowdown in the U.S. economy and the government is expected to make it official on Friday.

The key economic report of the week, gross domestic product, is likely to show growth fizzled in the second quarter. The U.S. probably grew at a tepid 1.3%, down from 1.9% in the first quarter and 3.0% in the last three months of 2011, Economists surveyed by MarketWatch estimate.

That’s bad news for millions of Americans who still cannot find work several years after the last recession officially ended. Such a slow growth rate reflects an economy incapable of adding jobs fast enough to dramatically lower the nation’s 8.2% unemployment rate.

Yet with the second-quarter now in the rearview mirror, the more critical question is whether sluggish growth will persist in the third quarter — July through September. The short answer: probably.

The headwinds from overseas are well known. Europe still has not resolved a financial crisis that has sapped its economy. And growth in China, the world’s second largest economy, has also slowed.

The darker global picture has undercut American exports, a major source of growth over the past year.

Anxiety in the U.S. is also growing, for different reasons. Many businesses are increasingly worried about a so-called fiscal cliff — large spending cuts and tax increases set to take effect Jan. 1 unless squabbling Democrats and Republicans in Washington agree to change current law.

The confluence of concerns at home and abroad have undermined the confidence of American consumers and businesses. The result: Less confident consumers have cut back on spending while businesses are delaying major investments. Retail spending, for example, has fallen three straight months for the first time since the recession.

That’s a recipe for very slow growth.

“Businesses are being very careful in regards to investment. Unemployment remains elevated. And consumers are still very cautious,” said economist Sam Bullard at Wells Fargo. His firm projects GDP will rise only slightly in the third quarter to about 1.4%.

Comment by Carl Morris
2012-07-22 14:51:34

How many more rotten weeks like this can The Street endure before the entire world gives up on the stock market?

I hope we find out before they succeed in pushing it up to a new permanently high plateau.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 14:27:45

We’re Not Even Close to a Robust Recovery
Here are five reasons why.
By Nouriel Roubini|Posted Sunday, July 22, 2012, at 7:30 AM ET
A Borders Books customer walks by signs advertising a going out of business sale at a Borders Bookstore on July 22, 2011 in San Francisco, California.
How close is a recovery? Not close.

Photograph by Justin Sullivan/Getty Images.

While the risk of a disorderly crisis in the eurozone is well recognized, a more sanguine view of the United States has prevailed. For the last three years, the consensus has been that the U.S. economy was on the verge of a robust and self-sustaining recovery that would restore above-potential growth. That turned out to be wrong, as a painful process of balance-sheet deleveraging—reflecting excessive private-sector debt, and then its carryover to the public sector—implies that the recovery will remain, at best, below-trend for many years to come.

Even this year, the consensus got it wrong, expecting a recovery to annual GDP growth of better than than 3 percent. But the first-half growth rate looks set to come in closer to 1.5 percent at best, even below 2011’s dismal 1.7 percent. And now, after getting the first half of 2012 wrong, many are repeating the fairy tale that a combination of lower oil prices, rising auto sales, recovering house prices, and a resurgence of U.S. manufacturing will boost growth in the second half of the year and fuel above-potential growth by 2013.

The reality is the opposite: For several reasons, growth will slow further in the second half of 2012 and be even lower in 2013—close to stall speed. First, growth in the second quarter has decelerated from a mediocre 1.8 percent in January-March, as job creation—averaging 70,000 a month—fell sharply.

Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2012-07-22 17:44:05

“For the last three years, the consensus has been that the U.S. economy was on the verge of a robust and self-sustaining recovery that would restore above-potential growth.”

Does anyone know people who honestly believed this? Most people I know/have talked to continue to think something bad is still coming. The few that don’t tend to be very disconnected from the realities of the working class and/or were idiots about seeing the housing bubble too.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 14:45:47

Is it safe to assume the fiscal cliff is covered by the message of the placard that used to hang on my grandmother’s kitchen wall:

“A watched pot never boils.”

After all, our politicians’ stock in trade is to strike fear into the hearts of their constituents, only to later protect them from the imaginary hobgoblins.

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed — and hence clamorous to be led to safety — by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

— Henry Louis Mencken


4 Reasons To Be Concerned About The Fiscal Cliff
July 22, 2012

Despite all the headlines lately warning about the pending fiscal cliff, I have yet to meet an investor who doesn’t expect Washington to arrive at a last minute deal later this year to avert the tax hikes and spending cuts set to take effect in January 2013.

Just look at recent economic forecasts: The consensus expects U.S. gross domestic product growth, for instance, to modestly accelerate in 2013 and isn’t discounting in a high likelihood of either tax hikes or spending cuts. And I have to admit that I too believe the most likely scenario is another 11th hour compromise that, at the very least, postpones the bulk of the tax hikes and spending cuts.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 14:59:48

Is it safe to assume that:

1) QE3 is in the bag;

2) Smart investors will ignore the noise of dire prognostications and position themselves for a massive stock market rally on the QE3 announcement later this year?

Don’t get caught with your pants down when the Fed makes its QE3 announcement!

Front Running QE3
July 22, 2012

The market is running on the hopes of QE3 being released by The Fed. Let’s have a look at five asset classes in the hopes of gaining some perspective into movements of those markets. I want to look at the prior QE1 and QE2 time periods and see how the markets reacted prior and after the announcement. The five asset class ETFs are S&P 500 (SPY), Copper (JJC), Soft Commodities (JJG) ETN, and I am including oil ($WTIC) as the fourth and Gold (GLD) as number five. From here we can make an argument whether QE3 will even be a consideration and if so, what can we expect from the markets based on two prior QE releases.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 15:01:36

opinion
Editorial: “Fiscal cliff” looming if Washington doesn’t act
Lawmakers appear to be once again waiting until the last minute to address economic disaster, which could happen on Jan. 1, 2013.
Posted: 07/22/2012 01:00:00 AM MDT
By The Denver Post

After years spent “kicking the can down the road” when it comes to addressing the federal debt, lawmakers may soon find out what happens when the road disappears.

We’re talking about the “fiscal cliff” looming for the United States on Jan. 1.

The situation takes its name from the combined negative impacts on New Year’s Day from the expiration of the Bush tax cuts and a payroll tax break as well as more than $1 trillion in mandatory budget cuts.

Already, Morgan Stanley has warned, the prospect is hampering the economy.

The dysfunction that defines Washington is demonstrated by lawmakers’ inability to accomplish anything in the way of meaningful fiscal policy without the clock ticking close to zero.

And politicians from both parties are content to wait until after the November elections to address the issues in the “lame duck” session.

According to The New York Times, Senate Democrats are considering a plan to let the Bush tax cuts expire so that Republicans wouldn’t be in violation of their “no new taxes” pledge should the tax breaks be reinstated for all but the wealthiest Americans.

Speaking to the Senate banking committee on Tuesday, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said Congress must come up with a plan that addresses long-term sustainability while considering the state of the current economy.

“Doing so earlier rather than later would help reduce uncertainty and boost household and business confidence,” he said.

Comment by ecofeco
2012-07-22 15:36:49

There will never be any “long term stability” as long as the FIRE sector can pillage at will.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 15:57:59

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In It Takes a Pillage, former Wall Street insider turned muckraking journalist Nomi Prins argues vehemently and convincingly that the current crisis has almost nothing to do with subprime mortgages and everything to do with a financial system that rewards people who move money instead of people who make things, operates outside of the media’s gaze, is sheltered from governmental supervision, and uses leverage to turn risky deals into insanely risky deals.

You’ll find out how the revolving door between Wall Street and Washington enabled and encouraged the disastrous behavior of large investment banks. You’ll meet the Pillage People: the men who funneled trillions of dollars directly to the banks and the executives whose companies drained the American economy. You’ll learn which of the Federal Pillage Triumvirate pirated the biggest part of a $10.7 trillion bounty—Hank Paulson, Ben Bernanke, or Timothy Geithner. You’ll decide which private-sector pillager took the biggest share of spoils—Bank of America head Ken Lewis in his unholy alliance with former Merrill Lynch chief exec John Thain, who extracted $225 billion from the public; former AIG exec Joseph Cassano, who banked $315 million, leading the division that nearly drowned AIG before it hooked a $182 billion federal life raft; or Robert Rubin, whose public- and private-sector decisions decimated financial restraint and landed Citigroup in a $388 billion hole.

Prins also takes you on a harrowing tour of the Wall Street mind-set, in which making money is a game and colossal paychecks are a way of keeping score—and getting a huge bonus after churning out fabricated securities and taking out the entire world economy might be the biggest win of all.

The scariest part is that for all the trillions that have been spent or committed to the bloated stalwarts of Wall Street, our economic system remains in disarray. Prins demonstrates that this failure stems from flaws not in these institutions, but in the banking system itself. She shows how irresponsible deregulation whetted both individual and institutional appetites for short-term gain, and produced an addiction to greed and power that still rules the markets even after nearly destroying them.

Complete with a savvy and well-developed proposal for extracting ourselves from this downward financial spiral and stabilizing the economy, It Takes a Pillage is packed with all the information you need to understand the financial crisis and identify policies that will solve the problem, rather than make it more severe.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-07-22 17:25:29

that the current crisis has almost nothing to do with subprime mortgages and everything to do with a financial system that rewards people who move money instead of people who make things,

Mitt Romney.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-07-22 17:24:15

There will never be any “long term stability” as long as the FIRE sector can pillage at will.

Bingo. Those clowns have all but destroyed us compared to what we used to be. Anyone who challenges the FIRE sector are moronically labeled collectivists by pawns ignorant of our history as a united and protected nation. And we have two of their champs running for president. IMO, one is way worse.

We’re not called the United States for casual reasons.

u·nit·ed Adjective:
Joined together politically, for a common purpose, or by common feelings.

“Common” and “united”. Crazy talk huh? Tell it to our leftist founding fathers.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 15:24:03

The story about the Spanish debt fears seems frozen in time. You’d think the markets would digest it and move on, but the evidence so far suggests otherwise.

Bond Rates in Spain Inch Higher Amid Fears
By JAMES KANTER and RAPHAEL MINDER
Published: July 20, 2012

BRUSSELS — Spanish borrowing costs rose to worrisome levels for a second day on Friday as the government said the economy would remain in recession through 2013 and the region of Valencia would need state financing.

The yield, or interest rate, on 10-year Spanish sovereign bonds was at 7.185 percent, having crept above 7 percent on Thursday — a level that many analysts fear could shut Spain out of public markets and eventually lead to a full-scale bailout.

Bond yields spiked and the IBEX stock index fell after José Ciscar, the vice president of Valencia’s regional government, said that it would request an unspecified amount of state aid to meet its debt-refinancing obligations, as well as to pay suppliers of health care and other basic services. Essentially, Valencia became the first region to make an official plea for help to the Spanish government.

At the same time, euro zone finance ministers agreed Friday on an interim payment for Spain’s troubled banking sector of 30 billion euros, or $37 billion. Approval was expected after the German Parliament signed off on the aid package Thursday.

The loan is “warranted to safeguard financial stability in the euro area as a whole,” the ministers said in a statement. The goal, they said, was the “return of all parts of the Spanish banking sector to soundness and stability.”

The ministers also agreed that loans for Spanish banks could amount to as much as $123 billion. At a summit meeting of European Union leaders in June, it was agreed that some of those funds might be disbursed directly to banks in vulnerable countries rather than to states once more oversight of their banking sectors was in place.

That agreement helped rein in borrowing costs for Spain for a time. But costs have been edging higher because of concerns about how the bailout will work and about the economy in Spain, where mass protests have occurred this week against austerity and other changes endorsed by Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy.

The treasury minister, Cristóbal Montoro, said Friday that Spain’s recession would drag into 2013, with the economy contracting 0.5 percent next year, compared with a previous forecast of 0.2 percent growth.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 15:26:27

Eurozone crisis: Euro slumps on Spain fears despite EU agreeing bank rescue

• Finance ministers stress that the Spanish government will remain on the hook for the loan
• Valencia request for help from central government spooks markets
• Euro tumbles to 3 1/2 year low against sterling
• Spanish 10-year bond yields hit new euro era high

Julia Kollewe and Nick Fletcher
guardian.co.uk, Friday 20 July 2012 02.23 EDT

Flags of the EU member states fly outside the European Parliament in Brussels on July 19, 2012. Eurozone finance ministers will hold a teleconference tomorrow to finalise a Spanish bank bailout deal, Luxembourg Prime Minister and Eurozone President Jean-Claude Juncker said.
Flags of the EU member states fly outside the European Parliament in Brussels. Eurozone finance ministers will hold a conference call at lunchtime to finalise a Spanish bank bailout deal. AFP PHOTO/ GEORGES GOBET

The announcement earlier by the ECB that it would no longer accept Greek sovereign bonds as collatoral - as of next week - has caused some confusion and, it would seem, no little consternation. It prompted Greek prime minister Antonis Samaras to contact members of the Troika, reports Helena Smith in Athens.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 15:28:33

Markets fear for Spanish economy as local governments seek financial aid

ECB president insists the eurozone will not collapse as Murcia becomes latest region to request funding

Giles Tremlett Madrid and Julia Kollewe
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 22 July 2012 17.39 EDT

Park Guell in Barcelona – Catalonia is expected to join several other regions in asking for financial aid from Spain’s central government. Photograph: Jorg Greuel/Getty Images

Spain’s regional woes are expected to weigh on financial markets this week after a second local government in three days asked for state aid, increasing fears that the eurozone’s fourth largest economy will be forced to seek a full-blown rescue.

On Sunday Murcia became the latest region to admit it needed central government help, after European finance ministers waved through a €100bn (£77.8bn) recapitalisation of Spanish banks on Friday. Several other regions are expected to follow, with Catalonia reportedly unable to pay the interest on €48bn of borrowings.

Murcia’s president, Ramón Luis Valcárcel, said he expected the south-eastern region to ask for up to €300m from Madrid as it struggled to refinance debt and cover its deficit.

“Don’t imagine they are going to simply make a present of the money,” he said, warning that Spain’s prime minister, Mariano Rajoy, would impose strict conditions.

Murcia joins the far larger region of Valencia – which flagged up a cash shortage on Friday – on the list of regional governments that have said they will tap an €18bn liquidity fund set up by the central government just 10 days ago.

Several others among Spain’s 17 semi-autonomous regions are expected to follow. They include the two biggest regions, Catalonia and Andalucia, as well as central Castilla La Mancha.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 15:36:21

Where does the buck stop at JPMorgan?

I noticed that at Barclay’s, it stops at the CEO’s desk.

JPMorgan Blaming Marks on Traders Baffles Ex-Employees
By Dawn Kopecki - Jul 16, 2012 2:01 PM PT

JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM)’s assertion that traders at its London chief investment office may have intentionally mismarked trades, masking losses that total at least $5.8 billion, makes little sense, according to former executives with direct knowledge of the unit’s operation.

The bank restated first-quarter results, paring profit by $459 million, in part because an internal review revealed that U.K. traders had priced their books “aggressively,” Mike Cavanagh, head of Treasury & Securities Services, said in a July 13 meeting with analysts. The mispricing made losses on a portfolio of credit derivatives look smaller than they were, and executives concluded that traders may have sought to hide the “full amount of losses,” JPMorgan said in a presentation.

JPMorgan requires traders to mark their positions daily so the firm can track their profits, losses and risk. An internal control group double-checks the marks against market prices monthly and at the end of each quarter, said three former executives from the CIO and a senior executive in market risk. The firm uses the control group’s prices, not what individual traders submit, to calculate earnings, making it difficult for one trader or trading desk to rig prices, the people said.

“We just have questions about whether the traders were doing what they need to do for accounting, which is put a mark on their positions where they think they can exit,” Cavanagh, who led the internal review, said on a conference call with reporters. “Instead, it felt more like they were pricing their marks a little bit more aggressively, but generally inside the bid-ask spread.”

Comment by ecofeco
2012-07-22 22:17:39

No way they could have “accidentally” ignored those “mis-marked trades” until they became a problem. Nope. No way.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 15:39:33

Would any Millennials who happen to read this care to comment on whether the opinion expressed in this article is fair?

Are Millennials the Screwed Generation?
by Joel Kotkin Jul 16, 2012 1:00 AM EDT
‘Boomer America’ never had it so good. As a result, today’s young Americans have never had it so bad.

Today’s youth, both here and abroad, have been screwed by their parents’ fiscal profligacy and economic mismanagement. Neil Howe, a leading generational theorist, cites the “greed, shortsightedness, and blind partisanship” of the boomers, of whom he is one, for having “brought the global economy to its knees.”

Comment by shendi
2012-07-22 17:35:58

Look at all the private sector companies, medium sized and large. Look at all the public sector institutions: schools, government agencies, congress etc. Everywhere it is the boomers who are in control, taking a course that will protect their interests.

Wall-street is somewhat of an exception. But the big salaries are drawn by the boomer senior management.
Today’s youth have nothing to look forward to and they don’t know it. A majority of them don’t have the right skills to be decently employed.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-07-22 20:24:30

While having no kids, I’m a boomer who is an uncle. I voted for GWB in 2004, which was my mistake, otherwise I voted for the Libertarian Party candidate in all elections since 1978 and wrote in Ron Paul (Republican) for POTUS in 2008.

I voted down all propositions in the states where I resided when they proposed new bond measures or sales taxes.

So I don’t consider myself responsible for the mess.

While I like Obama more than GWB, I note that under Obama the debt grew by $5 trillion. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq cost about $1.4 trillion. The Prescription medical benefit another half Trillion. $780 billion bailout the last two months of Bush’s second term. Way less than $5 trillion of Obama, yet my buddy Obama is considered a saint.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-07-22 22:20:48

Got bad news for those of you who would blame the boomers. Millions of them got screwed and screwed hard just like everybody else.

In fact this isn’t even the first time for them. Millions got screwed before the millinniels were even born.

For many, it isn’t even the second time.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 15:46:30

There has never been a better time to own Treasurys! And this is great for Uncle Sam’s borrowing costs — win-win!

Bloomberg News
Treasury 5-Year Yields Fall to Record on Europe Crisis
By Daniel Kruger on July 21, 2012

Five-year Treasury note yields fell to a record low as data showed the U.S. economic growth slowing and investor concern Europe’s debt crisis is worsening led to increased demand for the safest assets.

U.S. government debt gained for a fourth consecutive week as yields on Spain’s bonds climbed to record highs relative to German bunds. The pace of economic expansion in the U.S. probably cooled, data next week may show. The Treasury will sell $99 billion of two-, five-and seven-year notes next week.

“Europe remains a big question,” said Priya Misra, head of U.S. rates strategy at Bank of America Merrill Lynch in New York, one of the 21 primary dealers required to bid on the securities. “Flight-to-quality bids will remain. We’re pricing in weak growth in the U.S.”

Comment by combotechie
2012-07-22 17:30:44

“Flight-to-quality bids will remain. We’re pricing in weak growth in the U.S.”

Apparantly this flight-to-quality continues to relentlessly find its way to lowly, unbacked, worthless paper - aka the fiat U.S. dollar - rather than gold, which, of course, is the only true money.

(snort)

We live in Amusing Times as well as Interesting ones.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 19:04:05

Most ironic cut of all for gold bugs: Whether their investment pays off is 100% dependent on whether the Fed invokes QE3. Without a lot more “worthless” dollars put into circulation, the crash in the gold price will accelerate into a tailspin.

Gold bugs bank on QE3 to ride to the rescue
The gold price has risen for 11 years in a row, but could 2012 be the year when this bull run ends?
By Garry White, and Emma Rowley
8:00PM BST 22 Jul 2012

Almost all of this year’s gains have been wiped out, with the gold price now just 1pc above its end-2011 level. Gold bugs are banking on QE3, a further round of quantitative easing from the Federal Reserve, to get the price moving again. But as the year progresses it’s nowhere in sight.

A resumption of the asset purchase programme is likely to break the dollar’s recent bull run. The dollar index, which tracks the greenback against a basket of currencies has risen almost 20pc since April, as eurozone debt fears prompted traders and investors to shun risk.

The last round of QE ended in June 2011, with QE1 and QE2 boosting the gold price by about 70pc between December 2008 and June 2011 as Federal Reserve kept borrowing costs at a record low and bought $2.3 trillion of debt.

However, Ben Bernake (SIC), US Federal Reserve chairman, was very coy last week at US Senate Banking Committee hearing and markets were non the wiser when he finished talking.

“No hint of QE3 yet,” Paul Ashworth, an economist at Capital Economics, said. “But Bernanke may just be playing for time.” As a result of the downbeat testimony from Mr Bernanke, the gold price ended last week down 0.2pc.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 16:01:51

Check out what is on tap for Mormon Pioneer Day!

A Fed audit would be a great way to determine which recent Fed policies lie outside the bounds of their charter.

House Vote on Audit the Fed Bill Planned for July 24
July 20, 2012
AFP
By Ron Paul

Later this month Congress will have an unprecedented opportunity to force the Federal Reserve to provide meaningful transparency to lawmakers and taxpayers. H.R. 459, my bill known as “Audit the Fed,” is scheduled for a vote before the full Congress in July. More than 270 of my colleagues cosponsored the bill, and it has the support of congressional leadership. But its passage in the House of Representatives is only the beginning of the battle, as many senators and the president still don’t see the critical need to have a national discussion about monetary policy.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 16:04:38

Screw the political pressure story. I want to known what laws were broken by Fed insiders, by whom and when.

Where in the U.S. Constitution does it say the Fed can do whatever it wants, especially to rob Peter in order to enrich Paul?

Ben Bernanke voices opposition to Ron Paul’s Fed-audit bill
By Alex Kane Rudansky / McClatchy Washington Bureau
Thursday, July 19, 2012 - Added 3 days ago

WASHINGTON - Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, completing his second day of testimony on Capitol Hill, voiced his opposition Wednesday to a Republican-backed bill that would subject the Fed to outside auditors - and, he said, unhealthy political pressure.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 16:08:05

Is it within the Fed’s mandate to financially engineer wealth transfer schemes?

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 16:12:50

The greater fools currently buying houses in the U.S. seem entirely clueless about the financial tsunami rapidly approaching the global economy.

GLOBAL ECONOMY WEEK AHEAD-No winners in race for growth medals
Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:30am IST

* Euro zone manufacturing may be stabilising at low level

* U.S. set for sluggish Q2 GDP as British recession drags on

* China fears euro zone headwinds will hit exports

By Alan Wheatley, Global Economics Correspondent

LONDON, July 22 (Reuters) - “Faster, Higher, Stronger” is the motto of the Olympics opening in London on Friday. “Slower, Lower, Weaker” would be a better description of the economic performance of many of the countries competing in the games.

None of the big names will look worthy of a place on the podium if forecasts for a raft of data due this week from the euro zone, the United States and Britain prove accurate.

Even China, the long-standing growth champion, is huffing and puffing.

And for all the growth hormones injected in the form of cheap central bank money, the global economy is likely to be running on the spot for some time yet given fears that the United States could fall off a fiscal cliff, the softer trend in China and, above all, the debilitating euro zone crisis.

July’s advance surveys of purchasing managers in the 17-nation single currency area, due on Tuesday, are expected to produce readings well beneath the boom-bust mark of 50, signalling recession. At best, the reports will show both manufacturing and services are at least stabilising.

Two other important early glimpses of how the third quarter is shaping up, Germany’s IFO business climate and Belgium’s leading indicator, are scheduled for Wednesday and are forecast to show a modest deterioration.

“Risks to the economic outlook and to the euro zone sovereign situation are stacked on the downside, and we see a significant probability of a rate cut by the ECB within the next three months,” said Riccardo Barbieri, chief European economist at Mizuho in London.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 16:20:01

Polly:

“What is wrong with you these days? You have been in a particularly foul and accusative mood.”

Pardon me for my dismay at discovering criminals in high places can commit crimes with impunity.

Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2012-07-22 17:47:51

“Pardon me for my dismay at discovering criminals in high places can commit crimes with impunity.”

You’ve just discovered this?

:D

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 19:11:38

I’ve known it for years. In fact, I watched with considerable interest in the late-1980s when the Predator’s Ball crowd did their perp walks.

So where are the perp walks this time? It seems like Wall Street did a better time this go-round of buying justice.

 
 
 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-07-22 16:48:30

HomePath
PALM BEACH COUNTY LISTINGS - 472 TOTAL

717 W 7TH ST
WEST PALM BEACH, FL 33404 PRICE REDUCED
List price:
$29,900

County records

Property Detail

Location Address 717 W 7TH ST
Municipality RIVIERA BEACH
Parcel Control Number 56-43-42-32-01-041-0050

Year Built 1959
Total Square Footage : 1150

Sales Information

OCT-1999 $41,000
FEB-2007 $110,000
OCT-2007 $154,500
DEC-2010 $0 FEDERAL NATIONAL MORTGAGE ASSN

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-07-22 17:35:37

I convinced myself to sell my remaining dividend stocks. One was yielding 10% and the other 4%. The 4% is at its all-time high and I have a good gain on it. The other one has a $300 gain, which is small but decent. I’m going to be happy to have $21,000 more cash sitting in my brokerage account this week!

Yeah Combo I might come around to your way of thinking that Cash is King.

I think there will be a selloff of dividend stocks in a few weeks. Wiley Coyote ran over the cliff and did not look down yet. Dividends taxed at ordinary rates will mean they become less attractive to own. The prices will tumble. My $4500 total gain might be miniscule, but I’m more concerned with getting back my principle!

I will not only have enough cash and T-bills to pay off my other half of my Roth conversion, but enough to sit out for a year or two from work if I need to. Realistically I will more probably have to sit out a month or two per year between engineering contracts and pay for break-leases once or twice a year the next few years.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-07-22 17:38:00

The dividend tax is currently capped at 15%. Come January 1 they will be taxed at ordinary rates.

My tax bracket might go up to 35% from 32% unless Obama gets Congress to not increase taxes on those with incomes under $250,000.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 19:13:12

“Wiley Coyote ran over the cliff and did not look down yet.”

I keep thinking along similar lines, except ole Wiley seems to have figured out how to overcome the force of gravity this go round.

Comment by Carl Morris
2012-07-22 21:34:44

Wiley’s got one of those big indoor skydiving fans under him. The question is how much gas do they have for that motor that’s running it?

 
 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-07-22 18:00:22

The young supervisor put in the paperwork to renew my contract here in L.A. That’s good news. He told me if it’s approved I will know by the end of July or in early August. My current contract expires at the end of August. All I want is to continue through the end of September to lock in my ESPP of about 400 or more shares of my company stock. With plenty of cash I’m a free agent after that. And ZERO debt. No credit card, no stupid mortgage. Footloose and extremely mobile for the bad years ahead.

Comment by combotechie
2012-07-22 18:11:41

“The young supervisor put in the paperwork to renew my contract here in L.A.”

Now there’s a scary term: “young supervisor”.

Even scarier: “young supervisor with a MBA”.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-07-22 18:23:56

I should not say evil of him. He likes my work.

Yes I know very well the scare “young supervisor” is a reality. He was put in his position politically. Same race you see…But the one who promoted him to that position has been kindly ousted from the company so the young supervisor reached the ceiling. Fortunately I proved my worth while working for over a year at the corporate HQ on the east coast and have friends in those places.

 
Comment by rms
2012-07-22 20:00:19

“…with a MBA”.

Everybody has one these days.

Comment by Carl Morris
2012-07-22 21:35:44

Yeah we do.

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Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-07-22 18:15:43

Here they come again! It`s like Night of the Living Deadbeats, these financial corpses won`t die.They`re crawling out of the shadows and ready to sign their name to another promissory note that they will blame someone for giving them to sign when they Re-Beat!

Posted: 4:28 p.m. Thursday, July 19, 2012

Post panel: Former homeowners get second chance at American Dream

By Kimberly Miller

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Homeowners forced into a short sale or foreclosure during the worst of the real estate bust are tip-toeing back into the housing market as their credit improves and lender prohibitions time out.

Palm Beach County real estate experts who spoke this week during a forum hosted by The Palm Beach Post said people who lost their homes in 2009 and 2010 are able to get new home loans under certain circumstances.

“Starting right now, this month, there is a big population of people who are starting to fit the timeline of those who can qualify after losing a home a few years ago,” said Skip McDonough, president of Family Mortgage in Jupiter, during the forum titled “Finding the up in a down market.”

While having a foreclosure or short sale on your record was once at least a three- to-seven-year sentence against buying another home, McDonough said the Federal Housing Administration as well as federal mortgage backers Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have softened those rules.

It especially helps if the short sale or foreclosure is the only blemish on the homebuyer’s credit record, and if they have a good reason, such as job loss or family illness, for losing the property.

“For the next few months I believe the largest segment of buyers will be those who believed in the American dream and can now get back into the market,” McDonough said.

But whether they’ll find a home may be a different story.

Other panelists at the forum, including Realtors Association of the Palm Beaches President Bonnie Lazar, Platinum Properties Broker-Associate Kevin Kent and Brad Hunter, chief economist for Metrostudy in Palm Beach Gardens, said a shrinking inventory is driving up prices and increasing competition for homes.

About 65 people attended the forum, which was held Wednesday evening at The Palm Beach Post’s West Palm Beach office.

“Are there buys out there? Sure. Are there steals? No,” Lazar said. “If you were waiting for rock bottom, you missed it.”

According to a report released Thursday by the Realtors Association of the Palm Beaches, the inventory of single family homes in Palm Beach County fell to five months in June, down from 12 months during the same time last year.

AsifSarfi and his wife RubayaSarfi, who attended The Post’s forum, have seen the dearth of choices first hand. The couple, who married in October, have “passively” looked for a home for about two months.

“What I’ve found is stuff in good condition and that is a good value, cash buyers are coming in and swooping it up,” AsifSarfi said.

And the couple is concerned prices will go lower as more foreclosures — the so-called shadow inventory — are put on the market.

Hunter, of Metrostudy, said he expects prices may slip some, but it will be selective, falling mostly in neighborhoods where there was too much speculation during the run up to the real estate bust.

“There are a couple million homes nationwide in the shadow inventory and that’s not something that is trivial or something to be ignored,” Hunter said.

Still, Lazar said banks have learned from their earlier mistakes when they flooded the market with foreclosures and crashed prices. She believes even though there are hundreds of thousands of foreclosure cases still held up in Florida’s courts that banks will mete them out more strategically.

“I don’t think you’ll just see the inventory dumped on the market,” Lazar said. “(The banks) got smart and saw what they had done to themselves.”

People wishing to attend the next Straight from the Source panel discussion, on Jobs and the Economy, tentatively scheduled for Wednesday, Aug. 22 at 6 p.m. at The Palm Beach Post, should call (561) 820-4100 for reservations. The event is free of charge.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-07-22 18:32:23

Where would a person earning more than $250,000 (not me) move his money to shelter from the communists?

Obama proposed putting a cap on the tax free income from municipal bonds. 35,000 people with incomes over $200,000 pay no income tax because they earn income from tax free municipal bonds.

Well so did a lot of people in 1978. But I don’t think even Communist Carter proposed capping munis back then.

I think it is a trial balloon from the one term president and not going to happen for a few years. Maybe never happen. But it goes to show that you should diversify among tax strategies. Roth IRAs are a great alternative.

I have other ideas that are alternatives but cannot mention them for certain reasons. Like they are my favorite fishing holes.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 18:36:00

How is that decoupling theory that Gollum Sucks economist floated about the BRICs economies a few years back holding up these days to emerging data?

July 22, 2012, 9:20 p.m. EDT
Asia stocks drop as Europe worries weigh
By Sarah Turner, MarketWatch

SYDNEY (MarketWatch) — Asian shares dropped on Monday, with investors reacting to renewed concerns about Europe’s debt problems.

Japan’s Nikkei Stock Average (JP:100000018 -1.26%) lost 0.9%, South Korea’s Kospi (KR:SEU -2.10%) fell 1.7%, and Australia’s S&P/ASX 200 index (AU:XJO -1.24%) slid 1.1%.

U.S. and European shares ended with losses Friday after investors retreated from stocks amid fear that Spain’s bank-sector bailout could widen to include aid for the government as well.

“We expect a continuation of the negativity in Asia on concerns over the external environment and how it will slow growth and financial flows to the region,” said Credit Agricole strategists.

Spain revised down its gross domestic product estimates for this year, next year and 2014, while Friday also brought reports that the region of Valencia will ask the central Spanish government for financial assistance. A separate report said the region of Murcia may also need aid, according to its president. See report on Murcia aid possibility.

“Against this backdrop, we expect market tensions to persist. With the European Central Bank still reluctant to step in, the probability is increasing that Spain will have to ask for additional support, likely in the form of bond purchases by the European Financial Stability Facility,” said strategists at Barclays Capital.

Further adding to European concerns, a German report over the weekend said that the International Monetary Fund may cut off aid to Greece. Read more on reported IMF Greek aid suspension.

“[Reports of] the halting of a bailout tranche due to failure to meet targets, the European Central Bank decision not to accept Greek debt as collateral, and the visit of the Troika will keep markets nervous as default fears intensify,” said strategists at Credit Agricole. The Troika refers to the Eurogroup, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund, which collectively oversee Greek aid.

Australian miners were among the sectors sensitive to the possible European drag on global growth, with BHP Billiton Ltd. (AU:BHP -2.68% BHP -1.69%) trading down 2.7%, Rio Tinto Ltd. (AU:RIO -2.87% RIO -3.02%) losing 2.2% and Fortescue Metals Group Ltd. (AU:FMG -3.67% FSUMF -4.45%) tanking by 4.6%.

 
Comment by seen it all
2012-07-22 19:02:55

21 burned by hot coals at Robbins event

ASSOCIATED PRESS

SAN FRANCISCO — Fire officials said 21 people at an event hosted by motivational speaker Tony Robbins suf­fered burns while walking across hot coals and three were treated at hospitals.

The injuries took place dur­ing the first day Thursday of a four-day event at the San Jose Convention Center hosted by Robbins called “Unleash the Power Within.” Most of those hurt had second and third de­gree burns, fire officials said.

Walking across hot coals on lanes measuring 10 feet long and heated to between 1,200 to 2,000 degrees provides atten­dees an opportunity to “under­stand that there is ab­s olutely nothing you can’t over­come,” ac­cording to Robbins’ website.

Robbins Research International said in a written statement that 6,000 attendees of the event walked across the coals Thursday.

Requests for additional in­formation from The Associat­ed Press were not immediately returned.

Organizers had an “open burn permit” and medical staff at the event, and there was also a fire inspector on the scene, Williams said.

“Once they (the medical staff) became overwhelmed, our inspector called for us,” Williams said.

Witness Jonathan Correll was not attending the event, but when he saw a large crowd gathered on a closed-off sur­face street near the conven­tion center, he got off the light rail he was riding to see what was going on.

“I just heard these screams of agony,” he told The Associ­ated Press. “People were in pain. It sounded like people were being tortured.”

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 19:15:37

“Robbins Research International said in a written statement that 6,000 attendees of the event walked across the coals Thursday.”

Were these people real estate investors or something? It’s hard to imagine such a large crowd doing something that stoopid.

Comment by combotechie
2012-07-22 19:33:22

People can safely walk across hot coals because (choose one answer):

1. The powers and energy of their minds can overcome the power and physics of matter.

2. Hot coals produce an ash and this ash serves to insulate the heat generated from the hot coals. People do not walk on the hot coals, they walk on the ashes produced by the hot coals. The hot coals may produce a lot of heat but this heat has to get through the insulating ashes in order for the feet to get burned. A problem may arise if there is not enough time allowed for ashes to form before people begin their walk-thru, which is probably the case in this instance.

Comment by combotechie
2012-07-22 19:44:56

If you doubt this explanation then imagine what would happen if, say, iron horseshoes were thrown onto the hot coals. Iron is a very good conductor of heat and no doubt there would be a lot of yelling and screaming when people’s feet encountered the horseshoes.

Heat your oven to 400 degrees and then stick your hand inside. Hot, huh? But it’s not burning hot, is it? That’s because air is a poor conductor of heat; the tempeture of the air in the oven is 400 degrees but the air has a tough time conducting its heat to your hand, hence your hand doesn’t burn. Touch something in your oven made of metal that has been heated to 400 degrees and your experience will be a bit different.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 19:21:10

Republican candidate advice on how to remedy the financial crisis:

Newt Cash Money

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 19:28:50

July 19, 2012, 3:47 p.m. ET

UPDATE: N.Y. Fed Backs Limiting Some Types of Money-Market Fund Withdrawals

–New York Fed supports limiting some types of money-market fund withdrawals

–Analysts in staff report propose money-market funds could be strengthened if they were to have a “minimum balance at risk”

–New York Fed president says further money-market fund reform is “essential” to U.S. financial stability

(Adds details on comments by New York Fed president in third paragraph, details on SEC chairman’s proposal on money funds starting in eighth paragraph.)

By Michael S. Derby and Andrew Ackerman

NEW YORK–The Federal Reserve Bank of New York said it supports limiting some types of money-market fund withdrawals in a bid to protect those funds from suffering the equivalent of a bank run.

The recommendations came from a staff report released Thursday. New York Fed President William Dudley in a press release accompanying the document said he “strongly” endorses the ideas put forth by authors Patrick McCabe, Marco Cipriani, Michael Holscher and Antoine Martin.

“Further reform of money funds is essential for our nation’s financial stability,” Mr. Dudley said.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-07-22 23:43:07

Sounds like it’s time to get your money out of money-market funds.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 19:44:31

Is anyone looking to buy a nice investment condo in La Jolla? They are selling now from the “low $200s”

There has never been a better time to buy!

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 19:55:47

July 22, 2012 10:38 PM

Report: World’s rich hide at least $21T offshore

North West Point in April, 2008, in Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands. (David Rogers/Getty Images)

(CBS News) With about 55,000 inhabitants, the Cayman Islands should not be a well-known name in the rest of the world, but the tiny Caribbean territory has become famous as a tax haven for the world’s super rich. According to a new report, the Caymans - along with the other dozen or so international havens for wealth like Switzerland and Bermuda - are the holders of so much of the world’s capital, entire regional economies could be moved on it.

The Tax Justice Network has just released a report estimating that the world’s tax havens house anywhere from $21 trillion to $32 trillion of money that governments cannot tax.

“This offshore economy is large enough to have a major impact on estimates of inequality of wealth and income; on estimates of national income and debt ratios; and - most importantly - to have very significant negative impacts on the domestic tax bases of ’source’ countries,” James Henry, the report’s author and a former chief economist at consultancy McKinsey told the Guardian.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 19:58:34

July 16, 2012, 11:01 AM

Ad Wars and the Cayman Islands
By John D. McKinnon

REUTERS
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney waves as he leaves the stage after speaking at the NAACP convention in Houston July 11, 2012. (Reuters/Richard Carson)

The new ad from President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign attacking Mitt Romney‘s Cayman Island investments underscores the difficulty of explaining tax-haven financial arrangements, even though they have become a standard feature of the private-equity world.

The Romney campaign’s overall reticence on the candidate’s personal taxes seems to be adding to the problems in deflecting the Obama campaign’s attacks.

The Obama ad doesn’t directly accuse Mr. Romney of using offshore funds to dodge U.S. taxes, but it leaves voters to wonder what other purpose would be served by locating a fund in Cayman.

The Romney camp’s denial of any tax benefit for the candidate somehow doesn’t fully answer the question.

“None of Gov. Romney’s investments are tax shelters—not one of them,” a Romney campaign official said on Friday. “Like all U.S. citizens, he pays full U.S. taxes on investments he owns directly or through the blind trusts. And like all U.S. citizens, his IRA is tax deferred, but he will pay full U.S. taxes when he withdraws the money. Gov. Romney’s assets are managed on a blind basis, so a trustee, not Gov. Romney, makes the investment decisions. Furthermore, the trustee does not decide where funds he invests in are domiciled, the sponsors of the funds do.”

Comment by Robin
2012-07-22 21:20:35

Can I buy shares in Bain? What has been the 10-year performance?

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 20:02:16

GLOBAL MARKETS-
Shares, euro pressured as Spain stokes bailout fears
Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:42am IST

* MSCI Asia ex-Japan falls 0.6 pct, Nikkei opens down 1 pct

* Euro hits 12-year low vs yen, 2-year low vs US dollar

By Chikako Mogi

TOKYO, July 23 (Reuters) - Shares fell and the euro stayed vulnerable after hitting fresh lows early on Monday in Asia, as concerns grew about Spain’s ability to stave off a sovereign bailout.

U.S. and European stocks tumbled on Friday after indebted region Valencia sought financial aid from Madrid. Spain’s main stock index plunged 5.8 percent for its biggest one-day drop in two years, while Spain’s 10-year government bond yield scaled a euro-era high at 7.32 percent.

In thin early trade, the euro slipped below 95 yen to its lowest since November 2000 against the Japanese yen and a two-year low against the U.S. dollar around $1.2103. The single currency also plumbed record lows against the Australian and New Zealand currencies at A$1.1671 and NZ$1.5104.

“There is nothing good from Europe and that keeps the euro under pressure, especially the first half of the week when we have euro zone data,” such as consumer confidence and manufacturing, said Yuji Saito, director of foreign exchange at Credit Agricole Bank in Tokyo.

“Markets may test more psychological support levels, having seen the euro already hit historic lows,” Saito added.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 20:10:01

Does the MSM keep publishing the same story over and over again, just changing the date?

July 22, 2012, 10:15 p.m. ET

Asian Shares Fall on Spanish Debt Concerns

Asian markets fell on Monday after Spain’s borrowing costs climbed to a euro-era high, pushing the single currency down to multi-year lows against both the dollar and the yen.

Europe once again was pressed to the forefront of investor concerns, as yields on Spanish 10-year sovereign bonds reached 7.24% on Friday, after the state of Valencia asked for government aid to help refinance its debt.

“It’s not the kind of situation where fears are just going to fade away, since the required amount of aid that Spain will need is likely to mount given the increasing needs of local governments,” said Rakuten Securities senior market analyst at Masayuki Doshida.

The Spanish government also cut the country’s growth forecasts for 2013 and said that it will remain in recession next year.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 23:15:15

I can’t help but suspect that pouring so much money down the housing market rat hole is a major factor in the uncured U.S. economic malaise.

Niall Ferguson: The Cure for Our Economy’s Stationary State
Jul 16, 2012 1:00 AM EDT
Adam Smith knew what ails us—and he prescribed the cure.

Jesse L. Jackson Jr. has been suffering from “a mood disorder.”

He is not alone. The world economy may not be in a depression as bad as that of the early 1930s. But it’s certainly got emotional problems.

A year ago, according to Gallup, economic confidence in the United States plunged, touching bottom in late August. It then rallied, only to start sliding again with the arrival of summer. Sunshine doesn’t seem to work like it used to.

What is going on?

The answer is that much of the developed world, including the United States, is stagnating. The founder of economics, Adam Smith, had a term for this. He called it “the stationary state.” In his day it was China that looked stationary: a once “opulent” country that had simply ceased to grow. Smith blamed China’s unfavorable institutions—including its bureaucracy—for the stasis. He also noticed how the stationary state favored the super-rich and civil servants, leaving poor laborers to slide toward subsistence wages.

Now the boot is on the other foot. It is Westerners who are in the stationary state, while China is growing faster than any other major economy in the world. The World Bank expects the European economy to contract this year and the U.S. to grow by just 2 percent. China will grow as much as four times faster than that.

The mood disorder is especially bad for investors. Only seven out of 47 national stock markets around the world have posted gains in the last 12 months.

The currently voguish explanation for the slowdown is “deleveraging.” The argument is that the excessive debts the West ran up in the past 10 or 20 years are now acting as a drag on growth. Households and banks are desperately trying to reduce their debts, having gambled foolishly on ever-rising property prices. To prevent this process from generating a lethal debt deflation, governments and central banks have stepped in with fiscal and monetary stimulus. That helps for a time, but it ultimately transforms a crisis of excess private debt into a crisis of excess public debt.

Yet more is going on here than deleveraging. Consider this: the U.S. economy has created 2.6 million jobs since June 2009. In the same period, 3.1 million workers have signed up for disability benefits. Back in 1992 there was one person on disability benefits for every 36 people in employment. Now the ratio is 1 to 16. Unemployment is being concealed—and rendered permanent—in ways all too familiar to Europeans.

The stationary state is literally stationary. People claim to be disabled. And they also stay put. Traditionally around 3 percent of the U.S. population moves to a new state each year. That rate has halved since the crisis began. You can’t blame all this on deleveraging.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 23:22:39

Oh no — don’t tell me stocks are tumbling again!

July 23, 2012, 1:22 a.m. EDT
Asia stocks tumble as Greece, Spain fears mount
By Sarah Turner and V. Phani Kumar, MarketWatch

HONG KONG (MarketWatch) — Asian stocks received a thrashing Monday as fears that Greece may not receive further aid and rising worries over Spain prompted a deep, region-wide sell-off, with Hong Kong equities suffering the most.

The dollar jumped against most other major currencies, while crude oil and other commodities declined, as investors sold down risk assets amid concern the weak global environment will affect growth and financial flows into Asia.

The Hang Seng Index slumped 2.6% in Hong Kong, while South Korea’s Kospi fell 2.2%, Australia’s S&P/ASX 200 Index slid 1.5% and Japan’s Nikkei Stock Average lost 1.4%.

Taiwan’s Taiex slid 2.3%, while China’s Shanghai Composite, the best performer among major regional benchmarks, dropped 1.2%.

“[Reports of] the halting of a bailout tranche due to failure to meet targets, the European Central Bank decision not to accept Greek debt as collateral, and the visit of the Troika will keep markets nervous as default fears intensify,” said Mitul Kotecha, a strategist at Credit Agricole.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-22 23:24:00

Oh my…where’d I leave that hand lotion?

July 22, 2012, 11:51 a.m. EDT
IMF to cut off aid to Greece: reports
By Russ Britt

LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch) — The International Monetary Fund is expected to cut off further rescue aid to troubled Greece, reports said Sunday. The move is likely to lead to debt-saddled Greece’s insolvency in September. Reports say Greece will not be able to meet debt-reduction targets by 2020, meanign the country will need $60.8 billion in additional aid. But other European nations are unwilling to keep funding the nation, reports said.

 
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