July 27, 2012

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-27 00:36:51

It takes a very big man to disavow a lifetime of misguided work.

BUSINESS
Updated July 26, 2012, 9:32 a.m. ET

Big-Bank Pioneer Now Seeks Breakup
By E.S. BROWNING and DAVID BENOIT
Associated Press

Sanford Weill, shown in 2007.

In a few seconds, Sanford Weill disavowed the work of a lifetime.

Former Citigroup Chairman and CEO Sandy Weill turned the financial world on its ear when he said it’s time to split up investment banking from regular banking. WSJ’s David Reilly visits Mean Street to explain. Photo: Getty Images.

Mr. Weill, who built Citigroup Inc. C +1.90% through repeated acquisitions—including the 1998 megadeal that prompted Congress to strike down a six-decade-old ban on commercial banks doing investment banking, and vice versa—on Wednesday called for the breakup of huge U.S. financial conglomerates.

“I am suggesting that they be broken up so that the taxpayer will never be at risk, the depositors won’t be at risk,” Mr. Weill said in a TV interview on CNBC. “Mistakes were made,” he added a few seconds later.

After years of silence, banking’s greatest living empire builder—who powered Citigroup’s ascent to the top of the U.S. banking industry, and then watched from retirement as the New York company nearly collapsed in the 2008 financial crisis—joined the ranks of big-bank critics who contend that smaller is better. It was as if Napoleon had called for an end to military conquest.

“There is an irony,” said William Isaac, a former chairman of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. who is now global head for financial institutions at FTI Consulting Inc. Mr. Weill, he said, “probably had a larger role than any other person in bringing down Glass-Steagall,” the Depression-era law that kept commercial banks out of riskier brokerage and investment-banking work.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-07-27 05:33:28

“It takes a very big man to disavow a lifetime of misguided work.”

When his income no longer depends on it.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-07-27 06:35:36

… that he made from OPM.

Yep. It’s easy to be noble when you no longer have any skin the game.

 
Comment by oxide
2012-07-27 10:15:54

+1

Also note he’s closer to meeting his maker.
Sorry, but that’s how it is.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2012-07-27 20:44:37

Exactly. Now that he made his money, he’s all for going back to the model where the taxpayer doesn’t bear the burden of his greedy ways. Is he down for giving it all back?

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-27 00:38:43

ft dot com
July 25, 2012 4:05 pm
Ex-Citi chief Weill urges bank break-up
By Tom Braithwaite in New York and Shahien Nasiripour in Washington
Sandy Werill who called for the break up of big banks on CNBC today

Citigroup’s former chief executive Sandy Weill has called for a break-up of large banks in a significant about-face from one of the architects of the modern financial conglomerate.

Mr Weill’s intervention adds to a growing chorus of regulators, politicians and bankers calling for a return to the separation of investment banking from commercial banking that existed in the US before the 1990s.

“What we should probably do is go and split up investment banking from banking, have banks be deposit takers, have banks make commercial loans and real estate loans, have banks do something that’s not going to risk the taxpayer dollars, that’s not too big to fail,” Mr Weill told CNBC.

The 79-year-old’s comments come 13 years after the repeal of Glass-Steagall, the law passed after the Great Depression, which had forced a separation of financial activity. Mr Weill championed that repeal as he created Citigroup through acquisitions.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-07-27 03:15:21

Okay, so he’s made his billions and now he thinks busting up the big banks is a good idea? Move along, Sandy. You’re a day late and a dollar short.

Comment by WT Economist
2012-07-27 03:50:52

He’s got the dollars. The rest of us are short.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-07-27 06:36:38

I prefer the term, “vertically challenged”.

Oh, you mean broke. Never mind. :lol:

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Comment by azdude
2012-07-27 04:26:34

Can I interest any of you in the ponzi scheme known as FACEBOOK, Zenga or Groupon?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-07-27 04:32:26

No, thank you. But where are you in AZ, dude?

I’m down here in good ole Tucson, and we’re organizing an HBB meetup. Want to join us?

Comment by azdude
2012-07-27 05:04:52

I can make it because i’m actually in CA right now for a bit. Would love to join you some day.

Do you hear FB might come out with a phone, LMAO.

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Comment by Muggy
2012-07-27 04:42:55

In fairness, FB has changed the way millions of people spend their free time. A lot of it.

How you make money off of it, I’m not too sure.

Comment by azdude
2012-07-27 05:10:19

wasting a lot of time imo. I dont need the BS in my life.Basically an advertising scheme.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-27 06:59:14

“How you make money off of it, I’m not too sure.”

As the father of a college-student daughter with a severe FB habit which could potentially crowd out study time which might otherwise lead to better grades and scholarship support, I expect to lose a lot of money off it in the next few years.

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Comment by Mr. Smithers
2012-07-27 07:19:47

A lot of FB haters are missing the long game. The majority of FB users are teens right now. They don’t have money. But their lives are ingrained in FB and other social media. Give it 5-10 years when today’s 12-17 years olds are in their 20s with disposable income and FB will get a slice of that disposable income. Same goes with all social media companies that can’t seem to make much money.

Remember, Apple nearly went out of business several times.

 
Comment by Steve J
2012-07-27 08:16:21

Apple builds things…Facebook is all user generated content and advertising.

I think “the next big thing” will come around in a few years.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-07-27 08:16:30

I will buy 10,000 shares at $1.00 per share before then.

 
Comment by Harry Connick Jr Community College Graduate
2012-07-27 08:18:50

Give it 5-10 years when today’s 12-17 years olds are in their 20s with disposable income

Fadebook has no future! 5-10 yrs from the teens will realize that they have been listening to boy bands all along and get over it. Also, there’s a strong chance that a new shiny thing might come along in near future.

With that I still think Fadebook was a huge success. It made insiders ultra rich and that was the main purpose anyway.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2012-07-27 08:25:24

“Apple builds things…Facebook is all user generated content and advertising. ”

LOL. What “things” does Microsoft build? How about Google? How about ebay? How about Skype or Craigslist? Where is their assembly line, I’d love to visit.

It’s 2012 not 1952.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2012-07-27 08:30:50

It’s easy to tell someone’s age by their attitude to facebook. Over 40ish, “it’s a fad and it’s stoopid”. 30-40 “it’s a cool thing to use”. 20-30, “don’t know what I’d do without it”. Under 20, “you mean there was a world without FB?, huh?”

You have no idea how FB is ingrained in young people’s lives. And to a somewhat lesser extent Twitter. There are a billion FB users, eventually someone will figure out a way to make gobs of money from them. Like I said, it will take a little time as the hyper users of the product age and have disposable income.

 
Comment by Harry Connick Jr Community College Graduate
2012-07-27 08:46:29

You are wrong. I am in my 30’s…mid-thirties to be exact.

 
Comment by Harry Connick Jr Community College Graduate
2012-07-27 08:50:52

And no I do not think it’s a cool thing to use.

I was on it in 2005/06. It was good to reconnect with few college friends that I hadn’t talked in a while. Other than that, it was a bore.

I am Facebook free since 2007 and proud of it.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-07-27 09:01:21

If you have a business or something to promote it’s cool to interact with at least some of your 5000 friends…they might listen to your radio show buy your book attend your event…..i can see practical uses for this

But to see everyone’s stupid update or the request to play farmville 3 times a day its boring.

 
Comment by Harry Connick Jr Community College Graduate
2012-07-27 09:35:02

Good point DJ. If you are have a business, it’s a free (for now anyway) marketing tool.

 
Comment by eastcoaster
2012-07-27 10:27:43

Sorry, I beg to differ. I like Facebook. I enjoy seeing photos of friends lives, their kids. Many of them are friends who I don’t see regularly and it’s nice to stay plugged in.

Recently, it proved to be a wonderful way to communicate information. A friend in Colorado suffered a heart attack and was clinically dead. Put into a hypothermic coma, brought out, no long term brain damage, etc…a real miracle-type story. But all the updates on his condition were shared through Facebook posts. The outpouring of support was overwhelming to him.

Also, my brother just got back from a mission trip to Swaziland. While he was there, the Swaziland FB group posted updates on what they were doing, with photos and stories. It was really great to be able to see what my brother and his group were doing for the 2 weeks they were gone.

I think Twitter is a joke because it’s too many random statements all day long. Facebook is a slower pace. I don’t know, I just like it. So does my 70-year-old mother.

Oh, and, in my mid-40s.

 
Comment by oxide
2012-07-27 10:43:37

The last thing I want to do is read about how much more successful than me that my former classmates are. Trust me, I’m better off now knowing.

 
Comment by Steve J
2012-07-27 11:54:08

You are mistaken about demographics. FB is quite popular with the over 50 crowd.

That enough is to make it UN cool for teens.

 
Comment by sfrenter
2012-07-27 12:01:56

I’m in my late 40’s and use FB somewhat regularly. It’s a bit of a news aggregate for me - my friends tend to post links to online stories I might not otherwise see.
Also, grandma gets to see the kids…

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-07-27 12:47:36

I’m in my late 40’s and use FB somewhat regularly.

I’ve been toying around with Google+ and its interface makes me go “Huh?” OTOH, I get the Facebook interface. It’s much more intuitive than Google+.

Twitter? Let’s say that I’ve been using it more and even exploring it as a tool for finding paying work.

LinkedIn? Well, after I dunno how many years, it finally proved to be of use. I found a business mentor there, and I’ll be signing off for the day very shortly. Have to get a client project under control before getting ready for the telephone meeting with said mentor.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-07-27 12:50:37

Facebook is great for people with a lot of spare time on their hands.

Like unemployed high school and college students.

Facebook will get a lot less popular when kids find out they are losing out on jobs, because employers are looking at their Facebook posts.

(My youngest got fired from her job for bad-mouthing her boss on Facebook).

 
 
Comment by Steve J
2012-07-27 12:50:50

How Zynga, Groupon, Pandora and Facebook Have Cost Investors $39 Billion — And Counting
CNBC.com | July 26, 2012 | 03:25 PM EDT

Weren’t we supposed to have learned our lesson from the late 90s? Wasn’t a company like Zynga, whose business model is predicated on people spending real money to buy fake money for fake products on a fake farm, supposed to raise just a couple red flags? And yet, of the 24 firms that cover the Zynga, only two have a “sell” rating, and nine have “buys,” and that includes today’s downgrades from JPMorgan and Goldman. (Thanks for the early heads up).

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Comment by Anon In DC
2012-07-28 07:36:19

I would call them speculators not investors. Nothing wrong with speculating, so long as you realize that’s what you’re doing.

 
 
 
 
Comment by combotechie
2012-07-27 04:56:17

I’m on his side. He may be a jerk and all but I’m all for breaking up the TBTFs.

Is the issue that the TBTFs are a big problem or is the issue that he is a jerk?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-07-27 05:02:05

Both are issues.

Comment by combotechie
2012-07-27 05:18:30

Both may be issues but these issues are in conflict with each other so one has to choose which issue to support.

Which is most important: Trashing the guy because he is a jerk or breaking up the TBTFs?

Sort of like the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-27 07:02:52

I couldn’t care less about whether Weill is a nice guy or a complete jerk. I’m just happy he has come out in favor of the Megabank breakup concept, as Megabank, Inc is too big to regulate or manage, and imposes an ongoing unfunded insurance liability on taxpayers.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2012-07-27 08:15:28

Call me crazy ,but I think this is a set up for a new bailout .
Another form of the GOOD BANK/BAD BANK concept ,throw the bad paper/liability to the taxpayers ,and taxpayers will never be under risk any more ,after trillions are shelled out to make these broken up Entities whole or unsueable .

With this Libor fraud coming to the surface ,this might be the straw that breaks the camels back of the corrupted
Banking/Investment firm crime spree.

Really ,they only put those Banks and Investment Firms together anyway as a response to the needed Bailouts at the time . Funny ,at the time when this happened I had a vision that eventually they would break them up again after they achieved their purpose . And one has to wonder why non regulated Non Banks got Bailouts ,but the answer is that they were counterparties to a lot of these casino bets . The unregulated transactions were mixed with the regulated
transactions rendering them all just a bunch of bets without proper capital reserves in which most were tied to interest debt .

From day one the Power Brokers answers all seemed like a plot to transfer the loss to the taxpayers ,and make it so the winners and losers were chosen ,rather than normal due process .

They weren’t able to reinflate the housing market as i think they were attempting to do ,so this is Plan B or maybe Plan C .

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Comment by SUGuy
2012-07-27 09:37:18

What a scuuuuuuuuum bag

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-27 00:41:22

Markets & Finance
Housing: A Long Way From Normal
By Peter Coy and Roben Farzad on July 26, 2012

Remember suburban Phoenix, home of empty subdivisions with green swimming pools and roving coyotes? It’s booming again. A house in Glendale got 95 offers and eventually sold for 17 percent above the asking price. “This is not something we would see in a normal market,” says Michael Orr, director of the Center for Real Estate Theory and Practice at Arizona State University’s W.P. Carey School of Business.

After falling 57 percent from 2006 through last October, Phoenix metro housing prices rose 12 percent through April and have continued upward since, according to the Standard & Poor’s/Case-Shiller home price indexes. In Atlanta, meanwhile, the housing recession is far from over: Home prices fell 17 percent in the year through April to their lowest point since 1997, according to Case-Shiller.

Housing is most Americans’ biggest asset and crucial to the health of the overall economy, so it’s natural to ask when it will get back to normal. As the contrast between Phoenix and Atlanta shows, the answer is: not yet. The sector remains roiled by extremes. The lowest mortgage rates in history, courtesy of a recession-fighting central bank, coupled with the biggest drop in housing prices since the Depression, have made homes the most affordable since 1970, according to the National Association of Realtors. But people can’t scrape up a down payment when mortgages on their current residences are underwater. Banks have tightened lending standards even as the bad economy has lowered many borrowers’ credit scores. And the country is stuck in the longest period of 8 percent-plus unemployment since the government began keeping track in 1948.

Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2012-07-27 06:43:31

It is almost like there is a dead cat bounce being foisted upon us.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-07-27 13:38:36

I think we’re being sold a pig a polka dot dress.

 
 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-07-27 07:00:03

Who are buying these?

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-27 07:04:39

“In Atlanta, meanwhile, the housing recession is far from over: Home prices fell 17 percent in the year through April to their lowest point since 1997, according to Case-Shiller.”

Would Smithers care to weigh in here?

Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-07-27 19:29:56

C’mon EddieTard Smithers….. tell us some more tall tales about Atlanta.

 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-07-27 08:13:20

But people can’t scrape up a down payment when mortgages on their current residences are underwater.

What? Did they intend to print that? Why are we concerned with people who have current residences coming up with a down payment for a different (or another) residence? Or did I miss the memo that it is now common practice to buy something and pine for something else? It seems the consumer has been conditioned that constant churn is healthy.

Comment by 2banana
2012-07-27 08:20:10

Gotta get on that property and keep moving up!!!!

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-27 12:31:09

The problem is that financial journalists have generally not yet figured out that we recently experienced a historic real estate mania. In their minds, temporary phenomena seen during the mania, such as unprecedented levels of “move-up” demand from homeowners turning large housing market capital gains into downpayments on bigger houses, are here to stay. They seem quite confused over the lack of empirical evidence to support their beliefs.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-07-27 12:52:17

Kinda hard to scrape up a down payment earning $12/hour too……

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-27 20:59:27

Especially if your home keeps on losing value, even after your mortgage is six feet under water.

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Comment by cactus
2012-07-27 08:16:54

Phoenix everyone wants to live there …

Comment by Pete
2012-07-27 16:33:00

“Phoenix everyone wants to live there …”

I hear you, but if my other choice were Atlanta, I’d quickly be Phoenix-bound.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-27 00:42:38

Long bond yields hit record low
July 23, 2012, 12:30 PM

Yields on 30-year Treasury bonds finally caught up with their shorter-term counterparts on Monday, in terms of setting a record low.

And a lot of mom and pop investors grumble about how that means their retirement funds are dwindling. But the gains in price – which move in the opposite direction of yields – have made for some more than decent returns.

Thirty-year yields have lagged in the rally because there’s a smaller pool of investors focused on the long-term maturities — namely liability-driven buyers like pension funds and insurance companies, said Chris Ahrens, head U.S. rates strategist at UBS.

“There’s been a reluctance to lock in really long-dated U.S. assets at historically low yields,” he said.

“As we move into ever lower levels and yields compress, people get forced to move that much further out into longer maturities just to see some incremental return.”

“It wouldn’t surprise me to see the trade continue and see a move into even lower yields,” Ahrens added.

Comment by azdude
2012-07-27 05:11:34

would you loan money for 10 years at these rates?

Comment by combotechie
2012-07-27 05:20:18

If it wasn’t my money I might.

Comment by rms
2012-07-27 07:21:47

“If it wasn’t my money I might.”

+1 It’s the commission, homey. Fast cars, beach condos, nice clothes, nose candy, etc., and don’t forget the ladies. Think about it…you’d be spreading your genetics far and wide; a couple of ‘em are sure to make it. All of this without any capitol investment because you are the closer!

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Comment by Northeastener
2012-07-27 12:43:45

Funny how we’ve been seeing this same title for years now. How much higher can bond prices go? We already know the zero barrier on yield isn’t as firm as once thought…

Before TPTB lose complete control of the global economy, I predict long-dated bonds will be well into negative yield territory… what other game is there in town when you’re more concerned with the return of your capital than a return on your capital? What other choice is there for TPTB when the world is awash in debt and that debt continues to grow? Interest rates aren’t going up in the US until we’re much closer to default than we are today…

What’s that mean for housing? Lower mortgage rates…What’s that mean for rental properties? Higher cap rates…

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-27 00:44:02

Market Pulse
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Spain 10-year bond yield drops below 7%
July 26, 2012|Barbara Kollmeyer

MADRID (MarketWatch) — Euro-supportive comments from European Central Bank President Mario Draghi continued to push down yields for Spanish and other peripheral bond yields. The yield on Spain’s 10-year government bond (ES:10yr_esp) plunged 40 basis points to 6.94%, while the yield on the two-year note (ES:2yr_esp) sank around 80 basis points to 5.36%. Draghi said earlier Thursday the ECB would do all that is needed to save the single currency, sparking a rally for the euro, Europeaan stock markets and U.S. futures. The Spain IBEX 35 index (XX:ibex) shot up 3.8% to 6,231.70, led by a 7% rally for Banco Santander SA (ES:san)(US:san). The yield on Spain’s 10-year bond has climbed as high as 7.6% in recent days as speculation intensifies the country may need a full bailout.

Comment by 2banana
2012-07-27 06:02:17

Stalingrad is surrounded by the Russians.

The Fuehrer just made a speech that he will save it.

The first snows of winter are already on the ground…

Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-07-27 07:00:57

“Stalingrad is surrounded by the Russians.”

“The Fuehrer just made a speech that he will save it.”

“The first snows of winter are already on the ground…”

The German`s horses are starting to look nervous…

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-07-27 07:07:59

Hears finds out about the Spain bailout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITx3AJ1eahs

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-07-27 07:21:28

WTH?

“Hitler finds out about…”

Dammit.

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Comment by Northeastener
2012-07-27 08:32:16

As I recall, that didn’t work out so well for a couple hundred thousand German soldiers…

 
 
 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-07-27 02:43:24

Seniors facing foreclosure at increasing rates

By Kimberly Miller
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 6:33 a.m. Thursday, July 26, 2012

He wore silk shirts as a successful Philadelphia businessman and married the girl he started courting in the 10th grade. When he retired to Palm Beach County, he played golf, opened and closed a small business, and cared for his wife of 65 years in the days before she died in 2008.

Sy Goldberg, 87, is a member of the Greatest Generation, and a victim of the Great Recession.

He grew up under the American ethos that real estate would only ever appreciate in value. Today he owes more on his mortgage than his small condominium is worth and has struggled for the past two years to get a loan modification under the threat of foreclosure.

“I’ve kept fighting and writing letters to everyone,” said Goldberg, who is in the trial period of a bank plan that allows him to make lower monthly mortgage payments. “If they took my house away from me, I would die.”

A quarter of subprime loans of borrowers age 50 or older were 90 days or more late on payments or in foreclosure as of December 2011.

For generations, home ownership has been a safety net in retirement, the report notes. Equity that built up over decades could be tapped for medical bills, supplement fixed incomes or help transition into an assisted living facility.

But older Americans weren’t immune to the real estate boom and bust. They took out second mortgages when property values skyrocketed, sold their homes for hefty prices and purchased investment properties that floundered.

Goldberg’s housing woes began when his wife took out a second mortgage to boost a small business she was starting. On top of that, one of the loans was interest-only. Goldberg’s fixed income couldn’t handle the load when payments increased to include principal.

“I never thought anything like this would happen,” Goldberg said. “I was never lacking in funds in my life. I never had a problem paying bills.”

There are also cases where seniors were taken advantage of during the real estate frenzy.

Royal Palm Beach-based foreclosure defense attorney Tom Ice has an 86-year-old client who got a call in 2005 offering a fool-proof way to make money in real estate. A mortgage broker, who turned out not to be licensed, persuaded the World War II veteran to take out a mortgage on a small condo he owned outright and buy additional properties.

Now the additional properties are in foreclosure and his own home west of Delray Beach is in jeopardy.

“If I wasn’t married now, I would pray that I could die every night,” said Ice’s client, who didn’t want to be identified. “I’ve invested frugally all my life. I’m not used to being this in debt.”

Ice, who is working on a contingency and foregoing his monthly fee, was able to get the bank to dismiss a foreclosure case on his client’s primary home, but it could be re-filed.

“With so many seniors on fixed incomes you can really see how they would have problems with adjustable rate mortgages,” Ice said. “They were told ‘Don’t worry, you can refinance when it adjusts.’ Then the bottom dropped out and no one could refinance.”

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/business/seniors-facing-foreclosure-at-increasing-rates/nP4Ls/ -

Comment by combotechie
2012-07-27 05:23:53

“He grew up under the American ethos that real estate would only ever appreciate in value.”

Ooooops.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-27 07:07:36

ethos delusion

Get the terminology right!

 
Comment by SDGreg
2012-07-27 10:21:49

“He grew up under the American ethos that real estate would only ever appreciate in value.”

If he’s 87, he was born in the mid 1920’s so he grew up during the Great Depression. How could he not have heard first hand accounts of that bursting real estate bubble, foreclosures, etc.?

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-07-27 11:49:10

This time was different. Duh.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2012-07-27 05:43:03

“If they took my house away from me, I would die.”

Clear case of suicide.

 
Comment by 2banana
2012-07-27 05:59:12

A true statement back when people used to live within their means, saved money in the bank, never took out equity from their homes and did NOT invest what they could NOT afford to lose.

Then we all got addicted to free money and becoming the next Donald Trump.

“I never thought anything like this would happen,” Goldberg said. “I was never lacking in funds in my life. I never had a problem paying bills.”

 
Comment by rms
2012-07-27 06:55:43

“Goldberg’s housing woes began when his wife took out a second mortgage to boost a small business she was starting. On top of that, one of the loans was interest-only. Goldberg’s fixed income couldn’t handle the load when payments increased to include principal.”

Ever see “The Box” with Cameron Diaz?

The old phart thought his ATM condo was the goose that laid the golden egg. RE only goes up? No sympathy for you, gramps!

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-07-27 07:12:10

It says, “His wife”.

I’ve see this too many times. A spouse can shoot you down without you even knowing about it until it’s too late.

Comment by Steve J
2012-07-27 08:39:54

Sounds like the wife owned the condo and he inherited it after she passed. I am sure there is a story there.

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Comment by rms
2012-07-27 20:35:43

“It says, “His wife”.”

+1 A la “The Box” with Cameron Diaz.

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Comment by cactus
2012-07-27 08:22:51

“Goldberg’s housing woes began when his wife took out a second mortgage to boost a small business she was starting.”

Ok that explains alot business was not to big to fail

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-07-27 07:44:36

Goldberg’s housing woes began when his wife took out a second mortgage to boost a small business she was starting. On top of that, one of the loans was interest-only. Goldberg’s fixed income couldn’t handle the load when payments increased to include principal.

The business gurus I look up to, most notably Leslie Burns in the photographic realm, frown on borrowing against the house to finance a startup. You’re better off growing it with its sales revenues. Or, if you have to, getting loans from family and friends.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2012-07-27 08:29:11

I”m sorry but I can’t see why this guy just doesn’t move to a cheap apartment at this point . You can’t bring back the equity that he and his wife blew on bad investments . And lenders made a loan to old people to start a new business . What’s wrong with that picture ?

Comment by Neuromance
2012-07-27 11:58:45

If you can sell the loan, wash your hands of it, and collect a tidy commission, it makes great sense.

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-07-27 12:39:21

“I”m sorry but I can’t see why this guy just doesn’t move to a cheap apartment at this point .”

Maybe moving costs. Maybe the mortgage is cheaper than rent.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-07-27 12:59:31

“…..wife took out a second mortgage to boost a small business….”

Candle Shop? Dog Treat Bakery? Squirrel Feeder Store? Aromatherapy Clinic?

Maybe this is the reason I’m still a wage slave/ member of the wretched refuse.

No way in hell do I run the risk of putting the family on the curb, to boost/start a small business.

 
Comment by Pete
2012-07-27 16:38:14

“Goldberg’s housing woes began when his wife took out a second mortgage to boost a small business she was starting.”

Well, at least the reporter asked this time.

 
 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-07-27 05:12:47

Posted: 5:13 p.m. Wednesday, July 25, 2012

Report criticizes Florida for no measurable goals in program meant to help people in foreclosure

By Kimberly Miller

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

A federal inspector general report critical of a $7.6 billion foreclosure prevention plan specifically mentions Florida as failing to set measurable goals for its Hardest Hit program.

The report, released Wednesday, also faults the Treasury Department for not following recommendations made in the spring to create an action plan for states to increase the number of homeowners helped by the program.

Florida was one of 18 states and the District of Columbia that received money from the Hardest Hit Fund, which was first announced in Feb. 2010.

Through the end of June, 6,320 Florida homeowners have been approved for assistance with the state’s $1 billion share of Hardest Hit money. About $107.8 million has so far been reserved for approved Florida homeowners.

Nationwide, $350 million of the $7.6 billion _ less than 5 percent _had been dispersed through March, according to the quarterly report to Congress by the Inspector General of the Troubled Asset Relief Program. States have through 2017 to spend the money.

“Treasury has not set measurable goals and metrics that would allow Treasury, the public, and Congress to measure the progress and success of the Hardest Hit Fund,” the report notes. “Taxpayers that fund this program have an absolute right to know what the government’s expectations and goals are for using $7.6 billion.”

Florida’s goals of “preserving homeownership” and “protecting home values” are singled out for having high-level expectations with no measurable target.

In April, the inspector general criticized the Hardest Hit program for ramping up too slowly and helping too few homeowners.

Two weeks later, Florida announced it was revamping its plan to eliminate eligibility roadblocks and increase the amount of money homeowners receive.

“Our August report will likely show an increased number of people taking advantage of the program,” said Cecka Green, communications director for the Florida Housing Finance Corp., which oversees the state’s Hardest Hit program. “Our goals were mirrored exactly from what Treasury said in its guidelines.”

Florida’s Hardest Hit program is meant to create breathing room for homeowners looking for work or higher-paying jobs. Those who are eligible can receive up to a year of mortgage assistance with a cap of $24,000, and up to $18,000 to bring a mortgage current on payments. Homeowners seeking only to have their mortgage arrearage paid can get up to $25,000.

For information and applications, visit flhardesthithelp.org or call (877) 863-5244.

Comment by 2banana
2012-07-27 05:43:01

Is this a loan or a grant?

Either way - it is a scam on the taxpayers.

More free sh*t for the free sh*t army

 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-07-27 05:54:13

It`s like a game show.

Cecka tell them what they`ve won.

For being a contestant on The Price was Wrong and it`s Not My Fault you will receive up to a year of mortgage assistance with a cap of $24,000, and up to $18,000 to bring a mortgage current on payments. Contestants seeking only to have their mortgage arrearage paid can get up to $25,000. Thanks for playing The Price was Wrong and it`s Not My Fault.

Comment by combotechie
2012-07-27 06:01:20

Lol.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2012-07-27 08:31:19

These grants are really bailouts for the lenders .

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Comment by 2banana
2012-07-27 05:45:17

Four Little Words
WSJ - July 26, 2012

What’s the difference between a calm and cool Barack Obama, and a rattled and worried Barack Obama? Four words, it turns out.

“You didn’t build that” is swelling to such heights that it has the president somewhere unprecedented: on defense. Mr. Obama has felt compelled—for the first time in this campaign—to cut an ad in which he directly responds to the criticisms of his now-infamous speech, complaining his opponents took his words “out of context.”

The obsession with tested messages is precisely why the president’s rare moments of candor—on free enterprise, on those who “cling to their guns and religion,” on the need to “spread the wealth around”—are so revealing. They are a look at the real man. It turns out Mr. Obama’s dismissive words toward free enterprise closely mirror a speech that liberal Massachusetts Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren gave last August.

Ms. Warren’s argument—that government is the real source of all business success—went viral and made a profound impression among the liberal elite, who have been pushing for its wider adoption. Mr. Obama chose to road-test it on the national stage, presumably thinking it would underline his argument for why the wealthy should pay more. It was a big political misstep, and now has the Obama team seriously worried.

Comment by Liz Pendens
2012-07-27 06:55:40

The voters need to tell Obama that he didn’t build his political career. They did.

I just hope there are enough voters out there “not on the take”.

ps- my vote won’t count at all becase I plan on voting for Ron Paul, but that’s just how I roll.

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2012-07-27 07:23:02

“ps- my vote won’t count at all becase I plan on voting for Ron Paul, but that’s just how I roll.”

Sure it will count. A vote for Ron Paul or any other fringe candidate like him is a vote for Obama.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-07-27 08:21:34

Stop with the nonsense. What if you voted for BO in 2008, but vote for RP in 2012? That’s a vote for MR (by your logic).

I recognize it’s hard for those indoctrinated by the two-party rule of law to understand it, but a vote for none of the above is exactly that, and nothing more.

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Comment by Mr. Smithers
2012-07-27 08:35:49

“Stop with the nonsense. What if you voted for BO in 2008, but vote for RP in 2012? That’s a vote for MR (by your logic).”

You have two options.
1. Vote for Obama’s opponent that can win
2. Vote for someone else

If you vote for Ron Paul, Mickey Mouse or Obama himself, you’re not voting for the candidate that can defeat him. Therefore your are voting for Obama.

 
Comment by Harry Connick Jr Community College Graduate
2012-07-27 08:42:55

If you vote for Ron Paul, Mickey Mouse or Obama himself, you’re not voting for the candidate that can defeat him. Therefore your are voting for Obama.

SCREW THAT! Scare tactics are not going to work. I want Obama to lose badly but can’t vote for Romney either.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-07-27 09:15:36

you’re not voting for the candidate that can defeat him.

The goal of the American voter is to vote for who is most qualified to run the country. Romney is not that guy. You don’t have to dig far to understand that Romney will continue the same policies as the current admin.

So, really, your vote for Romney is a vote for “Obama.”

 
Comment by Harry Connick Jr Community College Graduate
2012-07-27 09:20:11

So, really, your vote for Romney is a vote for “Obama.”

That’s why republican voters selected Romney over Paul. Romney is a lot like Obama.

 
Comment by Liz Pendens
2012-07-27 10:01:20

“…the candidate that can defeat him [Obama].”

I’m afraid we don’t have one of those, unfortunately.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-07-27 11:09:32

That’s why republican voters selected Romney over Paul. Romney is a lot like Obama.

Agreed. For as much hand-wringing as is done over the fringe voters and the need to address their issues, it’s moderates that get these guys elected.

Hence my mocking of the “We need jobs!”/anti-Obamacare/”No spending! (but let’s ignore its role in the low unemployment of the 2000s that we like to celebrate as an example of BO’s failures)”/”I hate Obama” types who are lining up behind Romney.

 
Comment by Al
2012-07-27 11:32:17

“A vote for Ron Paul or any other fringe candidate like him is a vote for Obama.”

I’m pretty sure if you vote for Paul, you’re not voting for Obama and therefor voting for Romney.

 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-07-27 12:02:40

The true wasted vote is a vote for someone who will continue core policies with which you disagree.

http://rlv.zcache.com/political_puppet_show_sticker-p217361303053984353envb3_400.jpg

 
 
 
Comment by Harry Connick Jr Community College Graduate
2012-07-27 07:25:02

Come to think of it the people who voted for Obama also wasted their votes.

Voting is a waste of time. Fook these idiots!

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-07-27 08:21:03

No. The socialist billionaire Pritzker family of Chicago built my favorite president OBammy’s career.

Karl Marx: From each according to his ability to each according to his need.

Bammy: Spread the wealth around.

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2012-07-27 08:38:31

“Bammy: Spread the wealth around.”

No, no, no. He was taken out of context because he made a grammatical mistake. “the” wealth really meant roads and bridges, as in he wanted to expand roads and bridges to have more lanes in order to alleviate traffic jams. It’s obvious what he meant. Only racist Fox News watching Republicans have interpreted that statement differently, since they’re racist and stuff.

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Comment by Anon In DC
2012-07-28 07:56:41

No Smithers he really meant spread our wealth around. You know the Democrats. They think everything under the sun should be collectively owned.

 
 
Comment by Harry Connick Jr Community College Graduate
2012-07-27 08:40:13

It’s really interesting that Obama has lots of wealthy friends. Is it that wealthy people gravitate towards him or the other way around? Not that there’s anything wrong in being wealthy.

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Comment by polly
2012-07-27 10:33:18

He went to Punahou and Columbia University and Harvard Law School. He taught at the University of Chicago Law School. His wife was a hospital administrator. He wrote two books that sold very well.

The wealthy associate with people like that all the time (even if he wasn’t wealthy himself until after the book sales exploded). It would be very surprising if he didn’t have a lot of wealthy people among his personal friends.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-07-27 15:11:08

If he did go to those schools how come he acts so dumb and clueless?

I guess affirmative action, quotas, and social promotion played a big part in his life.

Sorry, but I am just not impressed, where is his critical thinking skills….people are this board have more than the big OH.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-27 21:05:22

I don’t know about critical thinking skills, but I admire Obama’s political acumen. I think he is a better politician than Romney and will beat him this fall, even though Romney will outspend him by a landslide.

This is setting up similarly to California’s recent race between money (Whitman) and political skill (Brown).

 
 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-07-27 08:41:39

Karl Marx: From each according to his ability to each according to his need.

How’d that work out for the Russians?

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Comment by Harry Connick Jr Community College Graduate
2012-07-27 09:08:37

In Q2 America Added $2.33 In Debt For Every $1.00 In GDP

 
 
Comment by measton
2012-07-27 14:42:03

Yes because the wealth gap has decreased so much under Obama. Oh wait no it hasn’t it’s increased.

His health care is not socialism it’s corporatism. Socialism would have been Medicare for all.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-27 07:14:13

“You didn’t build that”

Quoting a political opponent out of context and bestowing them with a deliberate misinterpretation is a time-tested propaganda technique.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-27 07:16:42

Jon Stewart Destroys Romney’s You Didn’t Build That Attack on Obama
By: Sarah JonesJuly 26th, 2012see more posts by Sarah Jones

In last night’s episode “Democalypse 2012 – Do We Look Stupid? Don’t Answer That Edition – Grammatical Gaffes” Jon Stewart slayed Mitt Romney’s “You didn’t build that” attack on President Obama, laying it bare until it he exposed that “Romney’s attack on Barack Obama’s slight grammatical misstep regarding small business is what people do in an argument when they’re completely f**ked.”

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-07-27 08:02:17

“slight grammatical misstep…”

More like disjointed emotional button pushing. Any interpretation at all is a misinterpretation.

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Comment by Mr. Smithers
2012-07-27 08:20:33

Well if Jon Steward says so, it must be so. Case closed. End of story.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-27 12:34:03

Just watch the video and laugh. It’s all in the interest of humor…

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-07-27 12:45:54

Watch till the end Smithers. You’ll get it.

 
 
 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2012-07-27 07:25:16

You didn’t build it.
Spread the wealth around.

But don’t you dare call him a socialist or ‘nuthin.

 
Comment by Harry Connick Jr Community College Graduate
2012-07-27 07:27:53

Lose the teleprompter, and he’s Sarah Palin.

That’s Obama.

Comment by calurker
2012-07-27 07:32:38

All your republican candidates, fox news, etc. use a teleprompter.

I always chuckle when the best republicans can do is criticize someone for using a teleprompter.

sarah palin is sarah palin with or without a teleprompter and writing notes on her hand.

Anyone who jumps on the “you didn’t build THAT” bandwagon without checking out an ACTUAL unedited version, to see that THAT does mean roads and bridges, well . . . that person isn’t even sarah palin with notes on her hand . . . so sad how many people in this country cannot see the obvious and vote down help for themselves. Hey geniuses . . . you didn’t build the roads and schools, but you sure need them.

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Comment by Mr. Smithers
2012-07-27 07:39:39

“I always chuckle when the best republicans can do is criticize someone for using a teleprompter.”

I always chuckle at people who think this is the only criticism of Obama.

BTW, if Obama’s the genius you all claim he is, why the sealed college transcripts?

 
Comment by calurker
2012-07-27 07:53:47

Please give a link about sealed college transcripts? Nothing is sealed, just he doesn’t need to jump like a trained pony everytime tea partiers want to ask for something else. his college transcripts don’t contribute anything at this point. but i guess if the tea partiers want to know what kind of toilet paper he uses, there is a huge coverup if he refuses to waste his time answerering their craziness. He wasted enough time on the birthers. Some racist crap should not be dignified with an answer.

It is much more interesting why Romney will not disclose his taxes. He definitely has a lot to hide and a lot to lose. I always chuckle and giggle a little when Romeny supporters will criticize Obama for “sealing” his grade in high school math but think its just fine for Romeny to hide the fact that he has spent years lying about something or many things which would come out if he disclosed his taxes. He probably paid 0 US taxes and less than !0% of his income to his Mormon church. they would kick him out if they knew, so he can’t come clean.

Sounds like he would make an awesome president!!!!!!!!!!

 
Comment by Harry Connick Jr Community College Graduate
2012-07-27 07:55:56

All your republican candidates, fox news, etc. use a teleprompter.

Criticism to Obama is not an endorsement of Romney or Republicans. If repubs relied on reading teleprompter as much as Obama does, they would have been criticized mercilessly. And rightfully so.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2012-07-27 08:18:14

“Please give a link about sealed college transcripts? Nothing is sealed, just he doesn’t need to jump like a trained pony everytime tea partiers want to ask for something else.”

The ends to which liberals will defedn Obama’s actions are incredible.

Bush released his transcripts. So did McCain. So did Kerry. So did every presidential candidate going back decades. Yet for some odd reason Obama hasn’t. Wonder why that is?

 
Comment by Steve J
2012-07-27 08:45:05

Bush II never revealed college transcripts nor did Dan Quayle.

Of course, how grades from 25 years ago are relevant today is beyond my comprehension.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2012-07-27 08:45:39

And you’d think that Mr. Genius, smartest president ever would know the difference between that and them.

As in you didn’t build that (singular) refers to a business. Had he meant to say roads and bridges, he would have used them or possible those. So which is it? Did he really mean that business. Or is his grammar piss poor?

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2012-07-27 08:50:09

“Bush II never revealed college transcripts’

Why do people lie in the age of the internet?

WASHINGTON (USATODAY.com) — While the general impression during the 2004 presidential campaign was that Democrat John Kerry was the intellectual superior to President Bush, it turns out that their grades while undergraduate students at Yale were remarkably similar.

In fact, Bush’s were a tad higher. His four-year average was 77; Kerry’s 76. Both were C students. Kerry graduated from Yale in 1966; Bush in 1968.

But last year, when Bush and Kerry were campaigning against each other, we only knew Bush’s grades, revealed in 1999 during his first presidential campaign by the New Yorker magazine. Kerry’s were widely assumed to be much higher, a notion his campaign did little to quell and much to promote.

When Bush’s grades were first made public in 1999, he was then the Texas governor and Republican front-runner for the 2000 presidential nomination. Vice President Al Gore was his likely Democratic opponent. Bush’s mediocre college record was trumpeted by Gore backers as proof that the Republican candidate was a dummy. But in the spring of 2000, The Washington Post published Gore’s college grades at Harvard. Like Kerry, he was hardly an honor student, either.

 
Comment by polly
2012-07-27 08:59:04

Dan Quayle’s college records were removed from their normal storage place and locked up in a safe in the office of the president of DePauw University. The president then warned the faculty of dire consequences if they talked to the press about the vice presidential candidate’s grades. My uncle was a member of the faculty when it happened (though he hadn’t been there when Quayle was a student). Very quietly, the professors who had been around at the time told their colleagues that Qualye seemed to major in drinking and playing golf. He was considered too dumb to pass and too rich to fail.

He also was admitted to Indiana Univsity Law School under a special program which required students to take a summer intensive course in writing and other skills. The program was meant to increase the number of students whose backgrounds had not provided them with adequate preparation for law school such as students from low income backgrounds and who had attended rural colleges with less rigorous curricula and standards.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-07-27 09:04:42

Steve;

Its not the grades it whether he attended Columbia or not…the professors dont remember him…..stranger and stranger

Of course, how grades from 25 years ago are relevant today is beyond my comprehension.

 
Comment by goirishgohoosiers
2012-07-27 09:49:40

Dan Quayle first applied to and was rejected by Indiana’s Bloomington law school which is considered the flagship program since it has been around since the 1840s and is ranked comparably with several other Big 10 schools. He was accepted into law school at the Indianapolis campus (a much newer and lower ranked school) as a part time student, and then I believe he “transferred” into the full time day program after a year or so. He had to participate in the remedial program whose purpose was exactly as described above by Polly.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-07-27 10:20:53

Anyone who jumps on the “you didn’t build THAT” bandwagon…… is a political hack, way overly political or a borderline moron.

 
Comment by polly
2012-07-27 10:39:33

Thanks for the clarification, irish.

 
Comment by Steve J
2012-07-27 12:01:47

Bush did not release his grades, someone at the school (or Hillary Clinton if you believe conspiracy theories) did without his permission.

He also did not release his driving record as the state of Texas lost it.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-27 21:09:46

“…why the sealed college transcripts?”

I dunno…why the concealed tax returns?

July 27, 2012, 9:26 AM

Even in London, Romney Gets Tax Question
By Sara Murray

LONDON–Even on foreign soil Mitt Romney wasn’t able to dodge the tax return question this week.

In an interview on NBC’s Today Show, Mr. Romney again refused to release additional years of returns. “We just laid out exactly what is required by law, which is all of our financial statements, and then in addition two years of tax reports, just like John McCain put out,” the Republican presidential hopeful said Friday.

The only problem with that: Mr. Romney hasn’t released two years of tax returns. So far the Romney campaign has released Mr. Romney’s 2010 return and an estimate for 2011, but not the official return. The campaign has said it will be released once it’s completed. But that’s a break with the standard Mr. McCain, the 2008 Republican nominee, adopted. He released his returns in April — a full seven months before Election Day.

Mr. Romney also offered an explanation for why he’s holding out on releasing additional years: “my guess is if you decide to do more and more and more, you just give.. the opposition the chance to distort and twist and be dishonest about more material.”

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-07-27 07:46:51

Speaking as someone who spends more than a little bit of time on speaking and presentations, I would love to have a teleprompter. Once you get the hang of reading from it, you can deliver one whale of a speech.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-07-27 07:47:52

Oops. Not enough sleep last night. I used the same word twice in one sentence. So, let’s try this:

“From the perspective of someone who spends…”

Word variety is a good thing.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-07-27 08:06:26

Get a typoprompter?

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-07-27 10:10:56

We do need massive wealth redistribution. Massive. We need to spread the wealth around. There is nothing “socialistic” about it. It would just be returning the wealth and opportunity BACK to average Americans that was stolen by the super rich the past 30 years.

This stealing of our wealth and opportunity has caused American capitalism to break down, requiring MORE “socialistic” programs to mollify the effects of crony, winner-take-all, corrupt capitalism.

Policies that would spread the wealth around to levels of the past would enable American capitalism and our middle-class to thrive as it did in the past.

There is very little cerebral, patriotic or pro-capitalistic in Bill and Smithers
defending America’s current, broken, banana republic capitalism. Because they are defending a type of warped capitalism that is quickly becoming a threat to capitalism itself.

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Comment by Al
2012-07-27 11:38:15

The best means of wealth distribution is jobs. Some of those would fix things. I had a complete list of sure fire way to create jobs in my jacket pocket, but unfortunately I left that on a bus. And by ‘that’ I mean the list and jacket, not the jobs.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-07-27 13:26:33

You would think that people would want skilled, well paid people working on their personal airplanes. Self preservation, and all of that.

You would be wrong. Just like everything else, paying someone a decent wage is considered “leaving money on the table”.

They don’t know squat about what it takes to do the job, and they don’t care. Somehow, this stuff takes care of itself by magic.

Self-employed contractor, the new paradigm for the technical/highly skilled class.

Not a bad deal in a sellers/tight skills market, when you have some pricing power, and can string 5-6-7-8 projects together.

Not such a good deal when business generally is down 40%, assets are worth half of what they were in 2007, and there is no “recovery” in sight……..too many people working for peanuts, just to “stay in the game”.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-07-27 13:40:10

They don’t know squat about what it takes to do the job, and they don’t care. Somehow, this stuff takes care of itself by magic.

Doing real, skilled work is something they believe is best handled by 3rd worlders.

 
 
 
 
Comment by calurker
2012-07-27 07:28:41

If you listen to an unedited version of what Obama said . . . .which you will not find ANYHERE from Fox News, you will notice that “that” was referring to “roads and bridges” and the like. He said “you didn’t build that”, and should have said “those”, but clearly meant roads bridges and other things that the rest of us have helped with. You benefit from a road leading to your business, but you didn’t build that.

Romney is so desperate and lacking in anything on his own that he has to jump on a wrong word choice and take something out of context and blow it into his whole campaign message. His supporters put their hands over their ears and go “la la la” so they can vehemently support whatever nonsense he spouts.

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2012-07-27 07:40:57

When he said “we need to spread the wealth around” was he talking about roads too?

Comment by Steve J
2012-07-27 08:47:03

No, the rich should keep it all.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-07-27 10:26:53

When he said “we need to spread the wealth around” was he talking about roads too?

Yes Smithers. How could “spread the wealth around” NOT be partially referring to a country using tax money to invest in infrastructure?

What grade are you going into next month?

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Comment by Al
2012-07-27 11:39:47

If I was trying to convince the job creators to get to work and earn their tax breaks, I might say something like “We need to spread the wealth around”.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-07-27 12:09:40

+1

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-07-27 12:52:04

Everytime I buy something, I am spreading my wealth around. How do we encourage the wealthy to do more of that instead of buying candidates? And by “that” I mean spending money on goods and services made in USA.

 
Comment by Anon In DC
2012-07-28 08:16:43

The idea that people keeping their own money is somehow a “tax break” is what’s so wrong with a lot of people’s thinking. By the way the rich pay a disproportionately large share of taxes.

I’m not interested in Obama’s school records though there must be something pretty ugly in them or he would release them. Not interested in Romeny’s taxes. From the one return showing he paid $3 MILLION in one year alone he ought get a tax holiday for the rest of his life. For that matter the 50% of us who actually pay Federal income taxes need relief. Not because we’ll create jobs or because it will stimulate the econony - it might or might not - but because it’s OUR money. I think the best tax would be 10% rate for everyone.

Government should perform basic functions national defense and on local level schools, roads, etc..

All the give away “social” programs - social secuity, welfare, food stamps, medicaid, medicare, etc… should be eliminated. Those that want to contribute to charity can do so those who don’t want to don’t.

Don’t tell me some of these programs are not giveways. They are all Ponzi schemes with more going out than coming.

 
 
 
Comment by Harry Connick Jr Community College Graduate
2012-07-27 08:01:48


Romney is so desperate and lacking in anything on his own that he has to jump on a wrong word choice and take something out of context and blow it into his whole campaign message. His supporters put their hands over their ears and go “la la la” so they can vehemently support whatever nonsense he spouts.

You may not realize this…it perfectly fits Obama, too.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-07-27 08:39:46

Anything to distract from the fact that he’s not releasing those incriminating tax returns.

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2012-07-27 08:51:56

Yeah, it may reveal he - GHASP - is rich.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-07-27 10:40:47

Yeah, it may reveal he - GHASP - is rich.

In many tax expert’s opinion, Romney is hiding something.

Why won’t Romney release more tax returns?

“For a nominee to America’s highest office, a clear and transparent reporting of his finances should be nothing more than routine….These are all factors that go to the heart of (Romney’s) character and values.”

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/18/opinion/kleinbard-canellos-romney-tax/index.html

Romney’s 2010 tax return, when combined with his FEC disclosure, reveals red flags that raise serious tax compliance questions with respect to his possible tax minimization strategies in earlier years. …

So, what are the issues?

The first is Romney’s Swiss bank account. Most presidential candidates don’t think it appropriate to bet that the U.S. dollar will lose value by speculating in Swiss Francs, which is basically the rationale offered by the trustee of Romney’s “blind” trust for opening this account. What’s more, if you really want just to speculate on foreign currencies, you don’t need a Swiss bank account to do so.

The Swiss bank account raises tax compliance questions, too.

Second, Romney’s $100 million IRA is remarkable in its size. Even under the most generous assumptions, Romney would have been restricted to annual contributions of $30,000 while he worked at Bain. How does this grow to $100 million?

…Third, the vast amounts in Romney’s family trusts raise a parallel question: Did Romney report and pay gift tax on the funding of these trusts or did he claim similarly unreasonable valuations, which likewise would have exposed him to serious penalties if all the facts were known?

Fourth, the complexity of Romney’s one publicly released tax return, with all its foreign accounts, trusts, corporations and partnerships, leaves even experts (including us) scratching their heads. …. Romney’s financial affairs are so arcane, so opaque and so tied up in his continuing income from Bain Capital that more is needed, including an explanation of the $100 million IRA.

Finally, there’s the puzzle of the Romneys’ extraordinarily low effective tax rate.

For 2010, the Romneys enjoyed a federal tax rate of only 13.9% on their adjusted gross income of roughly $22 million, which gave them a lower federal tax burden (including payroll, income and excise taxes) than the average American wage-earning family in the $40,000 to $50,000 range.

The vast majority of tax scholars and policy experts agree that awarding a super-low tax rate to this one form of labor income is completely unjustified as a policy matter. Romney has not explained how, as president, he can bring objectivity to bear on this tax loophole that is estimated as costing all of us billions of dollars every year.

The U.S. presidency is a position of immense magnitude and requires a thorough vetting. What the American people deserve is a complete and honest presentation by Romney of how his wealth was accumulated, where it is now invested, what purpose is served by all the various offshore vehicles in which he has an interest and what his financial relationship with Bain Capital has been since his retirement from the company. These are all factors that go to the heart of his character and values.

For a nominee to America’s highest office, a clear and transparent reporting of his finances should be nothing more than routine.

 
Comment by Harry Connick Jr Community College Graduate
2012-07-27 11:28:38

For a nominee to America’s highest office, a clear and transparent reporting of his finances should be nothing more than routine.

Why stop at finances? What about all sexual history? What about vices? What about school grades?

 
Comment by Harry Connick Jr Community College Graduate
2012-07-27 11:31:07

In many tax expert’s opinion

I bet it’s only democrat tax experts. Republican tax experts don’t care.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-07-27 11:46:31

Why stop at finances? What about all sexual history? What about vices? What about school grades?

The question of where it should stop is unanswerable IMO because that point varies with each individual. How far campaigns address each issue is a question of how much is to be gained or lost with the voting public.

I would say Romney will pay a much higher price for not releasing his tax returns than Obama will pay for not releasing his grades.

However, Romney might feel that the price he’ll pay for stonewalling his tax return releases will be less than if he releases them.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-07-27 11:56:36

Republican tax experts don’t care.

Some care.

20 Prominent Republicans Who Want Romney To Release More Tax Returns Right Now

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/07/17/530121/15-prominent-republicans-who-want-romney-to-release-more-tax-returns-right-now/

The call for more information about Romney’s financial past, however, is bipartisan. A poll released today found fifty six percent of all voters, including sixty one percent of independents, think that Romney should release twelve years of returns.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-07-27 13:45:03

Yeah, it may reveal he - GHASP - is rich.

Gee Gomer, you think that isn’t already public knowledge? If that’s all his returns will reveal, then why not release them, like all other candidates do? Even rich boy Dubya released his. What is Romney hiding? My hunch is that it was tax evasion, followed by an amnesty.

However, Romney might feel that the price he’ll pay for stonewalling his tax return releases will be less than if he releases them.

That is a certainty!

 
Comment by MissMouseAZ
2012-07-27 14:15:31

The real reason that Romney should disclose his taxes is this: His MAIN TALKING POINT is that taxes are killing rich people, making them suffer so much, that they have $0 to invest in ‘creating jobs’.

This talking point falls on its face when it is discovered that Romney pays less than 5% in taxes, while the average Middle Class American (RIP) pays a much higher rate out of a much smaller income.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-07-27 10:13:24

Even if you agree with him 100% I’d think you’d have to admit his choice of words in that one sentence was pretty horrible. Sure, if you read the sentences around it you get a better feel for what he really (we hope) meant, but still…

Comment by polly
2012-07-27 12:37:43

Pronouns probably have been the bane of politicians since the first reporter first wrote down a quote. Still, I don’t think that the word “that” referred to the roads and bridges. I think it referred to the American system of an even earlier sentence. Means he did match the number of the pronoun accurately but his antecedent was very, very far away. Bad style. Bad for understanding. Not that hard to understand when you listen to the whole thing.

And there are plenty of clips of Romney saying just about exactly the same thing (business functions within a system that includes government infrastructure), but with a lot less flair.

 
 
 
Comment by combotechie
2012-07-27 05:47:09

If somebody told me he had a problem because there was an elephant living in his living room I would think that the description of the problem would suggest a solution, as in get rid of the elephant.

But this doesn’t seem to work with TBTFs. If something is Too Big To Fail then by definition it is too big. The solution to something that is TBTF is to - what? - make it smaller?

Is it really all that complicated?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-27 07:18:55

Not really that complicated…

Sherman Reintroduces “Too Big to Fail, Too Big to Exist Act”

April 27, 2012 11:13 AM

Washington DC – Yesterday, Congressman Brad Sherman (D – CA), reintroduced the “Too Big to Fail, Too Big to Exist Act,” (HR 4963) in the 112th Congress. The legislation was cosigned by Congressman Maurice Hinchey (D-NY). Senator Bernie Sanders (I –VT) introduced similar legislation in the Senate during the last Congress. Under this legislation, any institution that is too big to fail will be broken up and reorganized to avoid more Government bailouts and future risk to our economy.

“Too big to fail should be too big to exist,” said Congressman Sherman who has advocated this position since 2008. “Never again should a financial institution be able to demand a federal bailout. They claim; ‘if we go down, the economy is going down with us.’ By breaking up these institutions long before they face a crisis, we ensure a healthy financial system where medium sized institutions can compete in the free market.” Sherman continued, “No longer should giant financial institutions be able to get low-cost capital by telling investors that even if the institution is mismanaged and faces financial default, by virtue of its sheer size it will be able to obtain a bailout from the federal government. Every financial institution should compete for capital based on the soundness of its balance sheet, and no financial institution should be able to claim that there is a special federal safety net available to its investors because of the institutions sheer size.”

“Most of the huge financial institutions still standing have become even bigger — so big that the four largest banks in America (JP Morgan Chase, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, and Citigroup) now issue one out of every two mortgages; two out of three credit cards; and hold $4 out of every $10 in bank deposits in the entire country,” said Senator Sanders, when he introduced his version of the legislation last Congress.

“If any of these financial institutions were to get into major trouble again, taxpayers would be on the hook for another massive bailout. We cannot let that happen. We need to do exactly what Teddy Roosevelt did back in the trust-busting days and break up these big banks.”

Comment by Housing Wizard
2012-07-27 09:08:17

What about all the other Monopolies that need to be busted up,or busted for their crimes ?
What about the Medical Monopoly in which the Pharma business
takes at least a trillion a year from this economy .What about the big Food Industry that is trying to cram a bunch of GMO crap food down our throats .

While they focus on size being the issue ,I see it also as corruption and ability to bribe the Government as a issue . If entities are to big to prosecute (TBTP), and they end up getting
small fines compared to the profits they ended up with by their crime sprees ,and nobody big goes to jail in response to their real damage ,than the Monopoly power is a above the law development . I think its the fact that the TBTF has so much power over the Politicians ,that its a issue of to big to not bribe TBTNB.

They recently charged 3 billion in fines to a Big Pharma Company in which their crime spree caused many deaths ,yet they still ended up ahead of the game on their profits from their crimes ,and nobody went to jail . This is no different than the situation with the culprits in the Financial Industry that caused the damage they did .

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-27 21:13:02

“What about all the other Monopolies that need to be busted up,or busted for their crimes ?”

Sherman Antitrust Act

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Comment by oxide
2012-07-27 10:30:11

Brad Sherman

And we all know how well the Sherman Anti-trust worked the first time.

 
 
Comment by Al
2012-07-27 11:27:43

If you had a bully of an elephant that you could use to get anything you wanted, would you let it go?

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2012-07-27 05:50:46

We have learned nothing.

Obama is truly one of the worst presidents we have ever had in America.

We might as well ALL go flip houses now.

And - we never say this coming…

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And You Thought the Housing Crisis Was Over! The Community Reinvestment Act is back

The American Spectator | July 27, 2012 | William Tucker

Do you remember that thing about how the banks wouldn’t lend to blacks and Hispanics because they were racists? And do you remember how they passed the Community Reinvestment Act so that banks were forced to reduce down payments practically to zero and lend to a lot of people they knew were bad credit risks? And do you remember how Wall Street bundled all these risky subprime mortgage and sold them to investors around the world so that when it became clear that those people weren’t going to be able to pay their mortgages banks everywhere were left holding the bag and all five of the Wall Street investment houses either went under or had to be bailed out by the federal government?

And do you remember how, when it was all over, liberals said it was actually the banks’ fault for “deceiving” all those people into thinking they could afford to buy homes and that the banks should be punished for it and some of those people be allowed to keep their homes anyway? And do you remember how all this cost the government close to a trillion dollars and put the whole economy in a hole that we really haven’t begun to dig ourselves out of yet?

Well, get ready because the whole thing is about to happen again.

Yes, believe it or not, the federal government is now starting another initiative to force banks to lend to low-credit-rated blacks and Hispanics — not just anybody but specifically blacks and Hispanics — and is threatening — and already collecting — huge punitive fines if they don’t. Moreover, this time they’re going even further. They’re going to take over the credit rating agencies and force them to change their standards to accommodate blacks and Hispanics so that nobody will have any idea who is a bad credit risk and who is not. In so many words, the government is about impose its will on the whole home-lending market and force another round of bad loans so that the banks are going to be looted once again so that even the federal government may not be able to bail them out this time.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-07-27 07:19:55

So where are those WMDs that cost us $1 TRILLION to not find?

And who signed the first $0.7 TRILLION bailout? Eventually costing us $12 TRILLION?

Who signed the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act allowing Wall St to fail so they would need a $12 TRILLION bailout?

Do you NEVER get tired of being wrong?

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2012-07-27 07:28:02

LOL. The “Yeah but Bush did it too” defense of Obama. Priceless.

 
Comment by Harry Connick Jr Community College Graduate
2012-07-27 08:10:35

So where are those WMDs that cost us $1 TRILLION to not find?

Bush cronies made a killing from it, so it was worth it, I suppose.

And who signed the first $0.7 TRILLION bailout? Eventually costing us $12 TRILLION?

Who voted for this?

Who signed the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act allowing Wall St to fail so they would need a $12 TRILLION bailout?

It was Clinton, the greatest president in recent memory.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-07-27 10:45:30

You are correct Harry.

See? I love it when people do their research.

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2012-07-27 09:11:20

I figure its going to be close to 20 trillion when everything is said and done .

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-27 07:21:40

“Obama is truly one of the worst presidents we have ever had in America”

Given the terrible political situation W left him with, I believe Obama has done a credible job. The armchair quarterback who is trying to take his place better start crafting his own campaign message instead of wasting so much breath attacking Obama; otherwise voters will have no reason to expect anything better than what Obama has offered.

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2012-07-27 07:31:53

“I believe Obama has done a credible job. ”

- 50 million people on food stamps
- $1T deficits every year

Heckuva job Bammy!!

Comment by calurker
2012-07-27 07:47:30

Romney is a “Mr. Howell” from Gilligan’s Island, who has always wanted the glamour of being President. He will say anything to win — he doesn’t care what. He doesn’t care if he tells the truth or if people notice his flip flops. He knows his supporters can’t think or reason on their own and that is all that matters to him.

Republicans are putting in place laws to restrict voting — not coincidentally of mostly democratic voters.

Personally I don’t want a Mr. Howell glamour seeker with no plan whatsoever, and zero moral compass as president. If he is elected, the real president will be the billionaires who are donating the money for a REASON.
—————–

In a lengthy explainer on Monday night, MSNBC host Rachel Maddow illustrated how a risky bet and some seemingly shady dealings in China helped earn casino mogul Sheldon Adelson tens of billions of dollars, and possibly even some criminal charges.

Thanks to some internal documents from Adelson’s company that have been leaked to the press by former top employees, it’s beginning to look like a local government official in the Chinese territory of Macau got paid off to help Adelson’s company win approval for its casino ventures.

Now, dueling probes of Adelson’s company, Las Vegas Sands, are underway at the U.S. Department of Justice and the Securities and Exchange Commission. In short, it’s not looking good for Adelson. If investigators can prove Las Vegas Sands bribed a foreign official, it would be a clear and massive violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, which prohibits American companies from bribing foreign officials.

That could also pose a problem for former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (R), who’s become the beneficiary of Adelson’s voluminous political giving after the failure of Adelson’s former favorite candidate, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA). As Maddow put it, Adelson isn’t just any political donor, he’s “the single largest American political donor of all time” — and virtually all of his money has gone to Republicans.

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Comment by Steve J
2012-07-27 08:51:01

LOL! WalMart got caught bribing Mexican officials and the SEC isn’t even investigating them.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2012-07-27 08:53:21

“In a lengthy explainer on Monday night, MSNBC host Rachel Maddow illustrated ”

HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

You’re using Rachel Maddow as a source.

BWA HA HA HA HA HA!!

Thanks for the laugh man, I needed that.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2012-07-27 08:55:53

OH MY GOD!! Stop the presses. This is breaking news….Chinese officials are corrupt and Americans have to pay Chinese bureaucrats lots of money in order to get anything done. Unbelievable, nobody and I mean nobody could have suspected such a thing.

This is a scoop bigger than Watergate and surely will win MS. Maddow and the non-partisan MSNBC network, the Pulitzer Prize.

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-07-27 10:50:34

- 50 million people on food stamps

Because of massive wealth redistribution to the rich the past 30 years. What did you all you crony-capitalists think would happen? Are you “shocked, shocked”??

- $1T deficits every year

Destroy the tax base by offshoring and cutting taxes for the rich and corporations at the same time engaging in wars? What did you all you supply-siders think would happen? Are you “shocked, shocked”??

Obama did all that? Really? Get a sense of history dude.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-27 21:15:18

“Obama did all that? Really? Get a sense of history dude.”

EddieTard gives Obama way too much credit, no?

 
 
Comment by Anon In DC
2012-07-28 08:28:52

Smithers there you go again. Don’t you know that pointing out Obama’s performance failures (there are some sucessess) as president is being racist? Don’t try to fool me that you don’t like peope living off food stamps because there are not enough jobs and that the debt is ballooning when you really object to Obama because he’s half black. I know that’s what upsets me too and not that my savings are eroding because of the funny money being printed to continue the spending spree and other unadressed issues. It’s that dam black that keeps me up at night.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2012-07-27 07:51:01

Oh has no plans No leadership abilities…or else at some of the money would have gone to the 2nd ave subway…which is so desperately needed 20 years ago…so maybe 2016..maybe 2020

Imagine if a lousy few billion was available today and you could hire as many people as necessary to build all sections at once…and it would be working this year or next…but no

I think all construction should be 24/7/365 and that inspectors must be there 24hrs too…no more driving through construction zones on beautiful days and not a single person working, then it rains and you see 20 of them sitting around…

They are finally getting around to 110 mph trains in the midwest
like we are so behind…we have tens of thousands of miles of unused tracks that can be put into use. Why is OH so clueless?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xefEx_tk2Bc

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-07-27 13:41:54

Ohio is clueless?

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Comment by aNYCdj
2012-07-27 16:18:25

oh bewanna ohboozo…..oh get out of office….oh geez you’re no kennedy

where is the vision?

Americans hitch a ride to space via Russia

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18563_162-20081592.html

 
 
 
 
Comment by polly
2012-07-27 08:07:16

“And do you remember how they passed the Community Reinvestment Act so that banks were forced to reduce down payments practically to zero and lend to a lot of people they knew were bad credit risks?”

This is a lie.

Comment by Young Deezy
2012-07-27 08:57:35

Don’t CRA loans actually have a lower default rate than most other types as well? I seem to remember reading this somewhere…

Comment by polly
2012-07-27 09:02:09

Yes.

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Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-07-27 10:50:24

Exactly. Something like only 6% of the defaults.

Sometime around 2010 or early 2011, there far more PRIME mortgages defaults than sub-prime.

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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-07-27 18:04:03

Which makes this part a lie as well…

“And do you remember how Wall Street bundled all these risky subprime mortgage and sold them to investors around the world so that when it became clear that those people weren’t going to be able to pay their mortgages banks everywhere were left holding the bag and all five of the Wall Street investment houses either went under or had to be bailed out by the federal government?”

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-07-27 18:36:26

A lie insofar as the implication that the CRA was the cause of the above.

 
 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-07-27 09:33:23

I would agree that he’s been a mediocre president. But one of the worst? Not even close.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-07-27 10:45:38

Obama is truly one of the worst presidents we have ever had in America.

Reagan was worse because he was a socialist.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-07-27 10:51:33

Reagan screwed this country and screwed us hard.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-27 21:16:18

My hind parts are still aching today.

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Comment by polly
2012-07-27 12:40:50

Pretty much created the whole “47% don’t pay income taxes” with the massive expansion of the earned income tax credit. He considered it an incentive to work.

Comment by mathguy
2012-07-27 16:18:51

What really needs to happen is for SSI on both the employee part AND employer part be counted as federal income tax, since it is a (regressive) federal tax on income. Then see what kind of tax rates the middle class and poor are actually paying. It’s actually close to 43% on income between 70k and 110k.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-07-27 13:11:37

Oh God, not the “CRA caused the bank meltdown” fable again…….

Yeah, all of those poor black and Hispanic scumbags forced the Wall Street Banksters to securitize their crap mortgages, for the ratings agencies to rate them AAA, and sell them to the dumazz public, collecting fees and bonuses in cash every step of the way.

WHO WALKED AWAY WITH CASH?????

WHO GOT STUCK WITH OVERPRICED, CRAP ASSETS AND/OR UNDERWATER MORTGAGES ?????

Those loans didn’t happen, until Wall Street came up with a way to profit from it, and offload the risk onto someone else.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2012-07-27 05:54:14

Yes - this is coming to America.

What else can be the end of the road with trillions in debt, a massive and ever expanding government and not one banker in jail for fraud…

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Spain unemployment hits new high of 24.6%
BBC | 27 July 2012 | Staff

Some 5.7 million Spaniards, equivalent to almost one in four, are now seeking work, according to official figures.

The country’s unemployment rate rose to 24.6% during the April to June quarter, up from 24.4% during the previous quarter.

Separately, Spain’s third largest bank reported an 80% fall in net profits.

Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2012-07-27 07:05:35

Gee, would you think it would be a great time to visit Spain because they need the stimulus? Then I saw this:

http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travel-and-living-abroad/travel-advice-by-country/europe/spain/

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-07-27 07:53:00

I spent the summer of 1977 in Spain. That was the year after Franco died, and let’s just say that Spain was losing its inhibitions in a hurry.

In some was this was almost comical. The national TV cameramen had this habit of panning pretty women up and down. Over and over again. It was as if they’d been forbidden from showing anything below the collarbone during the Franco years.

Then there was that graffito I saw on a wall in Valencia: Sexo Libre. Can’t put it any plainer than that, can we?

Then there was the guy who called out to his girlfriend on a crowded Valencia city bus. He didn’t call her by name. What he used was Spanish slang for, ahem, a very personal part of the woman’s body that is below the belt.

So, Spain’s going nuts again? Same as it ever was.

Comment by Steve J
2012-07-27 08:52:37

Revolution is on the way.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-07-27 18:22:43

great time to visit Spain…Then I saw this:

‘Steer clear of demonstrations’? That’s pretty much standard advice.

 
 
Comment by Harry Connick Jr Community College Graduate
2012-07-27 07:33:58

We are already 16% even if you count the same amount of people in labor force when Obama took office.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-07-27 08:44:30

Unlike the US, Spain never had a real economy. Until they had their real estate bubble, unemployment in Spain was always sky high. The place has always sucked.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-07-27 08:48:58

Goes back to the days of the conquistadors. Why develop an economy in your own country when you can siphon minerals and other forms of wealth from other continents?

Comment by Steve J
2012-07-27 12:28:19

They were the first outsourcers.

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Comment by combotechie
2012-07-27 16:49:32

“Why develop an economy in your own country when you can siphon minerals and other forms of wealth from other continents?”

This worked until it didn’t, and after it didn’t the people of Spain were left without developed skills.

Why bother to develop a skill when you can hire outsiders to do all the work? (Something some of the oil-rich Middle-East countries seem to now be doing.)

(Hmmmm … sort of the same problem a country would have if it decided to outsource its jobs - and hence skills -to some far-off place such as China.)

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-07-27 17:33:40

This worked until it didn’t, and after it didn’t the people of Spain were left without developed skills.

That was — and still is — Spain’s problem. As a country, they never came up with a post-conquistador Plan B.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-07-27 06:04:38

NFL Training Camps Are Open

Well it`s Dog eat Dog and Cat eat Cat
Livin` Free is where it`s at
HAMP and HARP not one but two
Hardest Hit was made for you!
Goooooooooo Deadbeats!

Comment by oxide
2012-07-27 10:39:07

I have to admit, after 30 years of loving the NFL, I’m starting to lose my interest in football. Anytime I think of the NFL, all I can think of is

1. Embedded advertising (The score brought to you by Toyota)
2. How effin rich the owners are
3. Mortal fear of Peyton Manning jogging onto the field and never leaving it.
4. Stars changing teams every 2-3 years because they want to make $26 million instead of $22 million
5. How many concussions there will be and whether they were deliberate.

Forget it.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-07-27 13:36:02

To be honest, I think it’s boring. I’ll watch the local boyz (Broncos) occasionally, but otherwise it just isn’t interesting.

Comment by Harry Connick Jr Community College Graduate
2012-07-27 14:47:48

Agree. It’s booooring. 20 seconds of lightning speed and 10 minutes of nothing. It’s boring. That without the commercial breaks.

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Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-07-27 17:02:41

“To be honest, I think it’s boring. I’ll watch the local boyz (Broncos) occasionally,”

Team down here has been so bad for so long I gave up watching the local boys years ago. But we still have the local girls.

Swimsuit Calendar | Miami Dolphins Cheerleaders
http://www.miamidolphinscheerleaders.net/swimsuit - 43k -

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Comment by 2banana
2012-07-27 06:09:29

Just keep buying those houses - in fact, you need to overbid to get on the property ladder.

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US economic growth slowed to 1.5 pct. annual rate in Q2 as consumer spending weakened

Associated Press - Martin Crutsinger - July 27, 2012

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. economy grew at an annual rate of just 1.5 percent from April through June, as Americans cut back sharply on spending. The slowdown in growth adds to worries that the economy could be stalling three years after the recession ended.

 
Comment by salinasron
2012-07-27 06:29:46

Woke up in a pissy mood today. Why do:
Fat people plop down on sofa and sit right on the edge breaking them down?
Why do women sit down and nervously grind their heels into a hard wood floors or rugs like a Karastan?
Why do people go into a room and automatically switch on the light and then walk out and leave it on?
Why do people buy a quality meal and then before they even taste it load it up with hot sauce masking all the flavor?
Why are people so lazy as to not do a job right but say I’ll get that later, later never comes?
Why do you give people a choice when they are happy? Example you go into a store and buy a small item and are about to walk out, the clerk as you are leaving says ‘Do you want a bag?’ The customer says, ‘Oh, sure?’. Or a kid choses a meal and then the parent says ‘ Would you like (X) and the kid says yeah?
Why do you go to some place like Micky D and ask for a milk shake and they always say it’s not working? High profit margin coffee and soda are always available.
Why do people change their baby’s diaper or ash tray and leave the trash where they were parked?
Why do people with kids come over and tell you that you should child proof your house because it makes them work harder watching them while they visit? How come you don’t have a tv so they can be entertained?
Why is it that a woman always plans functions when you are doing work on a house? Nothing a man hates more when doing a project is to start and then have to put everything away during a function only to relocate everything after the event so work can be started again.
Why do people take a 3minute shower at their house and a thirty minute shower at your house?
Coffee time now!!!

Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-07-27 06:38:39

Come to think of it you`re right. People suck! Now I`m in a pissy mood.

 
Comment by rms
2012-07-27 07:01:47

“Why do people buy a quality meal and then before they even taste it load it up with hot sauce masking all the flavor?”

+1 Guilty!

Comment by Spook
2012-07-27 07:48:00

for lack of pepper, white people ended up ruling the world.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-07-27 08:46:37

Actually, hot sauce stimulates the taste buds, allowing you to taster the dish even more.

Too much hot sauce or one with an overpowering taste can ruin a meal.

Comment by DennisN
2012-07-27 11:35:34

I’ve taken to liking Valentina Salsa Picante. It’s the mildest of all the hot sauces so you can put it on and still taste the food. It adds flavor much more than just heat.

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Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-07-27 07:25:46

People is be smart!

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-07-27 07:54:32

Why is it that a woman always plans functions when you are doing work on a house? Nothing a man hates more when doing a project is to start and then have to put everything away during a function only to relocate everything after the event so work can be started again.

Me? I’d be planning carpentry parties! Plumbing fiestas! And masonry blowouts!

It’s a house fixup extravaganza at Slim’s!

Comment by DennisN
2012-07-27 11:37:10

You just don’t want a “plumbing blowout”.

 
 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-07-27 13:49:09

“Why do people with kids come over and tell you that you should child proof your house because it makes them work harder watching them while they visit?”

I remember visiting my in-laws when my kids were toddlers and following them everywhere. I was so afraid they were going to break an expensive antique. It didn’t leave a lot of time for visiting, but it won me points with the in-laws. :)

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-27 06:52:18

Cautious consumers, trade curb U.S. growth

A shopper walks down an aisle in a newly opened Walmart Neighborhood Market in Chicago in this September 21, 2011 file photo. REUTERS/Jim Young/Files

By Lucia Mutikani

WASHINGTON | Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:41am EDT

(Reuters) - Economic growth slowed as expected in the second quarter as consumers spent at their slowest pace in a year, increasing pressure on policymakers to do more to bolster the recovery.

Gross domestic product expanded at a 1.5 percent annual rate between April and June, the weakest pace of growth since the third quarter of 2011, the Commerce Department said on Friday.

First-quarter growth was revised up to a 2.0 percent pace from the previously reported 1.9 percent. Output for the fourth quarter was raised to a 4.1 percent rate from 3.0 percent.

“This is the sign…that policymakers must act to provide more support to the economy if they want it to grow fast enough to start putting sustained downward pressure on today’s still too-high unemployment rate,” said Josh Bivens, research and policy director at the Economic Policy Institute.

The ailing economy could cost President Barack Obama a second term in office when Americans vote in November.

The expansion following the 2007-09 recession is the slowest since the 1980-81 period and the recession itself was the deepest in the post-war period, annual revisions to the data confirmed.

The weak second-quarter reading, which was in line with economists’ expectations, could raise expectations of a third round of bond purchases, also known as quantitative easing, by the Federal Reserve.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-07-27 11:03:53

Just watched some serious propaganda take place today.

This morning’s news led of with this and other stories about the economy not showing more than ~1.5% growth, but the data also showed that corporate profits and profits in general for all industries were at histrionic highs.

Then, after lunch, all the stories were pulled or re-written to OMIT these facts.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-27 06:55:50

ft dot com
July 27, 2012 11:44 am
Bundesbank repeats hostility to ECB bond buying
By James Wilson in Frankfurt

Germany’s powerful Bundesbank issued a reminder that it still opposed sovereign bond purchases by the European Central Bank, dampening market optimism after ECB president Mario Draghi hinted he could act more decisively in the eurozone debt crisis.

Senior officials at the German central bank have long been critical of using ECB resources to buy the bonds of struggling countries such as Greece or Spain. The Bundesbank believes that this is against the spirit of the ECB’s statutes, which forbid it to finance states. “There haven’t been any changes” in this position, the bank said on Friday.

Mr Draghi on Thursday raised hopes of such ECB intervention, saying his institution would do “whatever it takes” to halt the crisis. He argued the ECB could be justified in acting to curb excessive sovereign bond yields because they were a problem for its implementation of normal monetary policy.

The euro fell on Friday following the remarks from the Bundesbank, reversing strong gains following Mr Draghi’s comments.

More
Investor fears rise over Spain
ECB ‘ready to do whatever it takes’
Moody’s warns eurozone core
Global Market Overview Easing eurozone fears lift growth assets
Spanish unemployment hits record high

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-27 07:24:34

July 27, 2012, 10:19 a.m. EDT

Fresh insight into U.S. recession, aftermath
Downturn not as severe, recovery not as fast as prior data showed
By Jeffry Bartash, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The recession of 2007-2009 wasn’t quite as deep and the ensuing recovery wasn’t nearly as fast as initially believed, according to newly revised government data.

The American economy contracted by 4.7% from the fourth quarter of 2007 to the second quarter of 2009, the Commerce Department reported Friday. Previously the economy was estimated to have shrunk by 5.1%.

The last downturn was still the deepest since the Great Depression, however. The next-biggest contraction was during 1957-58, when the economy shrank by 3.7%.

The updated statistics were released Friday by the Commerce Department as part of its annual revisions of U.S. growth data in prior years. The latest revisions cover the years 2009 to 2011 and incorporate more accurate figures from the Internal Revenue Service and other sources.

 
Comment by cactus
2012-07-27 08:33:28

Some people don’t like Trex very much

http://trex-decking-review.blogspot.com/

Comment by In Colorado
2012-07-27 08:48:49

Our Trex deck has been great. Mold isn’t a problem in bone dry Colorado, so I guess that why we haven’t had any problems.

Comment by cactus
2012-07-27 14:57:28

interesting thanks!!

 
 
 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2012-07-27 09:05:54

So if businesses aren’t really built by business owners and are instead built by the govt as our Dear Leader said, does that then mean Romney didn’t build up Bain after all? And does that then mean all of Obama’s Bain attacks are actually attacks on the govt?

Comment by In Colorado
2012-07-27 09:42:27

Here is the full quote:

Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.

He was talking about infrastructure, which businesses use but apparently they don’t want to pay for it.

Kind of pathetic that the Romney campaign is resorting to distortions like this.

Comment by Harry Connick Jr Community College Graduate
2012-07-27 09:52:07

Who’s that somebody else?

Comment by Housing Wizard
2012-07-27 10:26:48

Actually I agree with Obama on this one . If you look at all the government services and infrastructure that help big or small business out that makes it so business doesn’t have to pay as much to even conduct business, it really adds up . The tax paid for Police make it possible for the stability to even conduct business .The Military protects the interest of Business .Truckers use the road to transport products ,and workers use the roads to go to work most the time ,or go to the store to buy the products .

Medicare and Medical pads the pockets of the medical and Pharma industry . Even government welfare creates business for business and food stamps end up being profit for the Food industry .

These arrogant SOB’s that dare to think that they should take the lions share of profits and be taxed less , and let the little people pay all the taxes are just con artist .The 1% or the 10% should pay a higher share . And if anybody want a more balance distribution of wealth ,just call them a Commie or
claim that Big Government is the culprit ,while they use the Government pawn and their handouts to make more profits . I would like to know how much business they are going to do when they start turning off the street lights because of lack of funds .

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-07-27 11:02:50

Medicare and Medical pads the pockets of the medical and Pharma industry.

And that’s about all they’re good for.

 
 
 
Comment by Al
2012-07-27 11:13:08

The phrasing was unfortunate. Should have read:

“Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business - you didn’t build those roads and bridges. Somebody else made that happen.”

 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-07-27 12:13:32

Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.

I understand what he’s trying to say - that public investment has formed the infrastructure in which businesses can exist, as opposed to legal and physical infrastructure-free places like Somalia.

However, any idiot can use infrastructure. They drive over it, file frivolous lawsuits, etc.

Building a business is a rare thing. An impressive thing. Not everyone can do it. Not everyone has the talent or the stomach for it.

I’m as anti-crony capitalism, anti socialize-losses-privatize-the-profits as anyone. But businesses which build wealth, which are socially beneficial, are the wealth pumps of a society.

I fear throwing out the baby with the bathwater. We oppose the financial sector, with their looting of the public wealth, destroying companies, aided and abetted by politicians. Because these extremely societally damaging companies exist does not mean all business is bad. Mafias are a business too. We explicitly don’t allow them to exist because they destroy wealth. The financial sector destroys and concentrates wealth no differently than a Mafia.

But we have to be careful here to differentiate Mafia-type wealth-destroying businesses from socially beneficial wealth-building businesses.

As a society, we need to encourage socially beneficial businesses.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-07-27 15:30:01

“Building a business is a rare thing. An impressive thing. Not everyone can do it. Not everyone has the talent or the stomach for it. “

This is why I scoff at the suggestion that all of those unemployed folks should just start a business if they can’t find a job. First, Most of them have limited capital and undercapitalization is one of the primary causes of business failure. Second, most successful new businesses will take a while to generate a profit. Unemployed folks usually don’t have sufficient savings to wait for a business to become profitable. Third, a lot of folks are missing a key skill or character attribute to be successful as business owners. They may be capable of acquiring the skill or developing the attribute, but probably don’t have the leeway to recover from their mistakes.

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-07-27 16:40:46

“As a society, we need to encourage socially beneficial businesses.”

I heartily agree.

Reasonable people may have some degree of difference in the definition of socially beneficial.

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Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-07-27 11:50:30

The US Govt built the NATIONAL infrastructure we use today.

The coast to coast roads. The coast to coast airways. The coast to coast railroad. The coast to coast radio transmission system. The coast to orbit to coast, satellite relays. Rural electrification. Hydroelectric dams. Coast to coast postal service. Unified weights and measures. Unified safety standards. Unified general law enforcement.

Before all they did that in each of those industries, companies consistently failed because they could not make profit of it. The scope was too large.

Without the US govt, a huge number of industries would fail even today.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-07-27 12:25:32

…and don’t get me started on the sciences…

Comment by MiddleCoaster
2012-07-27 13:48:20

Unfortunately, much of America thinks we don’t need no stinkin’ sciences. :roll:

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Comment by Harry Connick Jr Community College Graduate
2012-07-27 14:30:46

You assume those would not have been built without government. Also one thing you forgot to mention is that many of these projects were not created for the welfare of the people, but for the military industrial complex.

On the same breadth you probably complain about lack of public transportation, pollution and global warming and etc and don’t even realize that somehow they are connected.

Comment by howiewowie
2012-07-27 14:45:19

You assume they would have been built without government. What’s the first thing most companies do when the contemplate undertaking an insanely expensive project is what? Ask the government for money. Sports teams and their billionaire owners can’t even build a $1 billion stadium without getting the taxpayers involved.

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Comment by Harry Connick Jr Community College Graduate
2012-07-27 16:41:32

What’s needed would have been built.

Why do they ask for money from the government?

Because it has a habit of “giving” free money.

 
 
 
Comment by mathguy
2012-07-27 16:28:49

Soo wrong. A bunch of *people* built those things. Some were employees of private companies hired by the govt, some were direct govt employees. Further, some of the investment came from the feds, some came from states, and some came from local counties and cities. Some of the *technology* to build those things came from gov’t investment, some from private enterprise. You are giving Uncle Sam WAAAAY too much credit for what gets done in this country.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2012-07-27 21:32:58

What about the fact that the Military fought World War 2
at great loss of life ,which paved the way for Business to
thrive after the War .

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-07-28 00:15:54

“…Military fought World War 2 at great loss of life…”

Wasn’t that the eeeeevil U.S. government that Republicans so love to hate?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by waiting_in_la
2012-07-27 12:36:46

Folks - Not sure it ever left, but I can say with certainty that the housing bubble is back with a vengeance in Los Angeles.

Via anecdotal conversations, these low interest rates have everyone foaming at the mouth again to buy property.

Insane.

 
Comment by waiting_in_la
2012-07-27 12:37:58

Message from my former landlord who is also a realtor(tm) :

“Prices have begun to move up, and demand is good- multiple offers are common on properties that are priced to the market. It would be a shame to miss the market; what do you think, is it time for you all to buy now?”

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-07-27 12:49:38

Short answer to the question posed above: No.

Comment by waiting_in_la
2012-07-27 12:50:29

Yes, it was No.
:)

 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-07-27 13:19:15

Trying to stampede the buffalo off the cliff once again 8-O

Comment by waiting_in_la
2012-07-27 13:20:10

Yes, it’s quite obvious to me.
This is equivalent to a ’short squeeze’.

 
 
 
Comment by Awaiting
2012-07-27 13:38:48

Just got back from a Trustee Sale. The house we were going to bid on was postponed at pos (point of sale). No notice on foreclosure website we subscribe to.

A regular “heavy hitter” (aka flipper) when asked a questions replied “I am an evil captialist”. Nasty contruction slugs with attitudes all over the place. My definition of a capitalist must be different from theirs.

The expensive stuff $300K+ - $450K stuff went back to the bank. The Trustee Reps were authorized to represent the Beneficaries and got the bidders to increase their winning bid price. Most of the actives turned to postpones today. Everyone is trying to extend to Ca HomeMoans Bill Of Right effective Jan 13th, 2013.Free ride for all FBs.

It was our 3 time at an auction.

Comment by cactus
2012-07-27 14:55:28

in ventura at the court house?

Comment by Awaiting
2012-07-27 15:58:30

Yep, well actually at the bike rack & pay phones outside The Hall Of Justice.

Get this, out 1st residence we bought new in Mountain Meadows is up for auction August 2nd. We poured a lot of money in that place. I hope it is still nice. Weird to see that.

Comment by Awaiting
2012-07-27 16:02:34

BTW everyone, you can buy Title Insurance for a Trustee Sale property, but they have “carveouts” and are expensive.

I got a proforma policy to review from a Title Officer.

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Comment by cactus
2012-07-27 14:39:09

renter nation

“The supply of empty homes for rent is falling, and the nation’s homeownership rate is hovering near a fifteen year low.

How can that be when the housing market is finally turning around and more homes are selling?

The answer is simple: Investors.

The nation’s home ownership rate ticked up a statistically insignificant basis point, from 65.5 percent in the first quarter of this year to 65.6 percent in the second quarter, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. Q1 was the lowest home ownership rate since 1997 and is down from the peak of 69.4 percent in 2004.

[More From CNBC: The Most Expensive American Cities to Rent]

Given that home sales improved significantly during the first half of this year, you would think that home ownership rate should have surged higher, but the rate is calculated using only owner-occupied homes. If an investor buys one home or 100 homes, those homes are not even put into the calculation because they owner doesn’t live in the homes. Realtors estimate around 20 percent of homes sales are currently to investors, but given bulk deals offered by the government and banks on foreclosed properties, that percentage is likely higher.

“The very modest increase in the homeownership rate in Q2 does not persuade us to alter our view that the share of the population who own their home will fall further over the next couple of years,” writes Paul Diggle of Capital Economics. “Meanwhile, supply conditions in the rental market are tightening, with a falling proportion of single and multi-family rental homes vacant.”

Rental vacancies in fact fell to their lowest rate since 2001. That is why so many investors are rushing in to buy distressed properties. The rental market his hot and getting hotter. Average asking rent rose 5 percent from a year ago, though they are down slightly from the previous quarter.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-07-27 15:32:57

“The answer is simple: Investors.”

At least know we know what some of that offshore, hidden money is being used for.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-07-27 20:23:04

Whoever puts it offshore - that’s a true patriot. A gang of thugs has taken over America since 1913. They call themselves “government.”

 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-07-27 15:29:22

Happy Campers: The Great Outdoors is the theme of the August 2 Odyssey Storytelling show. I’ll be sharing a story from my bicycle travels through all 50 of the United States. Performance is 7:00 p.m. at Fluxx Studio and Gallery, 416 East 9th Street, Tucson.

Hope to see some HBB-ers there!

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-07-27 15:32:58

While we are discussing the “Free S**t Army”

Nothing beats Title IX in NCAA college athletics for transferring funds from poor black males, to “pull yourself up by your bootstraps with daddy’s money and influence”, richy-rich, Caucasian females.

A brief review of our local Big 12 “Equestrian Team”, all 57 of them. Most of them on scholarship, plus the horses, the state of the art barn, transportation to shows, etc. etc.

Of the first 10-12 girls on the team (none, nada, zero of them minority), I searched for the occupations of their parents:.

-A doctor in Arizona,
-A “Medical Specialist” in Oklahoma
-an LAPD sargeant
-a building contractor in Illinois
-a landscaping contractor in Michigan
-a “ranch property manager/owner” in Colorado
-a CPA in New York
-a manager with Monsanto in Missouri
-farmers in Kansas and North Carolina

I could review all 57, but you see my point.

I’m betting they are all Romney Republicans.

Comment by Carl Morris
2012-07-27 15:50:30

Interesting thought. I’ve heard people complain about Title IX, but I hadn’t thought about the next step. The step where you say “well, if we gotta spend the money we might as well spend it on Buffy”.

 
Comment by Harry Connick Jr Community College Graduate
2012-07-27 16:23:11

You should look up NPR sometimes. Partly funded by the taxpayers of all sort for the benefit of middle and upper middle class educated white operated by the same folks.

Comment by aNYCdj
2012-07-27 17:22:19

This is why i hate NPR radio they hogged up all the high powered frequencies so they can broadcast to the 1%…you cant volunteer at a public radio station…unless its at pledge time…

By hogging up the frequencies it leaves out colleges broadcasting and journalism school, heck even slim’s KXCI is a measly 340 watts, you can view the coverage map..

http://www.radio-locator.com/info/KXCI-FM

Let alone what the 88-92 mhz was designed for educational purposes,for public input not classical music ….kill em all….and give the licenses back to the people…power to the people not the 1%…

 
 
Comment by Harry Connick Jr Community College Graduate
2012-07-27 16:28:15

And don’t forget. Even if it benefits the “minority”, it benefits the rich and connected minority not the ones on the street.

 
 
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Comment by rms
2012-07-27 17:18:18

Uncle Tom signs over $ millions more to his Masters

Looks like Socialism, Asset Inflation and Weak Dollar Policies are here for keeps!

“Obama Pre-Empts Romney’s Israel Visit With Security Aid Bill Signing”
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/07/27/157483260/obama-pre-empts-romneys-israel-visit-with-security-aid-bill-signing

Comment by Housing Is Cratering
2012-07-27 19:54:45

It looks like our masters got exactly what they planned for.

 
 
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