The Housing Bubble

Doesn’t happen in NY you get your card filled each month on the date you were originally approved

And here I thought you were just being lazy and slept in until 5:00am this morning.

On the road? Anywhere exciting? I’m going to pretend you are enjoying the cool morning mist of light rainfall in the Pacific Northwest or nursing a cold one by the beach in Hawaii. (Ok, it would be like 3:50am in Hawaii, but this is just my daydreams.) If you’re in the midwest thank you for the cooler weather!

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She just said that she is on a PC.

Sorry… I misconstrued the direction of the snitting.

At 18 my dad told me, “We’re moving to a condo and there isn’t room for you”.

Not doing that to my 18 year old son. He’s staying right in the same room he’s been living in for a decade.

However, the 25 year old daughter with husband and child of her own would be a tight addition to the 4 of us already living in our 3 bedroom house.

Yes, she could rent here, but rent is more than the house payment from buying.

Yes, I could give her the money to be a down to buy something herself, but I’m not sure it is a good idea for her to buy until she’s lived here for a couple 115+ degree summers.

And, her renting or buying her own doesn’t help me be ready to downsize in 10-15 years, nor does it help me diversify out of stocks and bonds into something more real.

A very American attitude. Foreigners don’t have this “kick the kid out” attitude we gringos have.

No amount of gentle pushing is going to get the kid a sustaining job, if there are no jobs to be had.

Several of my co-workers are finding out that their kids are not doing so hot. And while they are tempted to pin the “lazy” label on the kid — because after all, when mom and dad were young they walked to school uphill both ways barefoot in the snow — these 45-50+ mom and dad are just starting to admit to themselves that they wouldn’t have done so hot in this environment either.

And while they are tempted to pin the “lazy” label on the kid — because after all, when mom and dad were young they walked to school uphill both ways barefoot in the snow — these 45-50+ mom and dad are just starting to admit to themselves that they wouldn’t have done so hot in this environment either.

My parents reluctantly came to the same conclusion back in the 1980s. I think it may have had something to do with that weekend we spent together in Pittsburgh, where I was going nowhere in a dead-end job and in life. My anger and bitterness really got their attention.

Well, fast forward a few years, and I’m newly arrived and in a new work environment in Tucson. Boss sees how clearly down and out I am. The bitterness and the anger were still very much there.

Boss recognized that I had some undeveloped talents, and she and her colleagues started getting all up in my face about that. One of the things they kept repeating was that I needed to do a lot more than focus on my writing.

Yes, writing was important in that job. And I was pretty good at it. But there was more to do. Photography. Editing. Dealing with the media, donors, the public. (This was a fund-raising organization.)

There also were things like identifying and supervising outside vendors. Purchasing equipment.

Gradually, the bitterness and the anger levels went down. I started gaining confidence.

That boss and the colleagues are still friends to this day.

Depends on where you live, too. Here in SF there are jobs. I work with high school kids, and none of them have trouble finding a job.It may be a dead-end job, but it pays.

Minimum wage in $10.24 hour (highest in the country). No one here is getting rich off that. A room in a house in a halfway decent neighborhood costs at least $750 month.

That is because of the floor the government puts under subsidized housing IMO. $500 a month or thereabouts.

Just visit a car dealership and see how many of the cars in the showroom cost 40K or more. Small wonder the “strong hands” are buying these things for renting out. To them it’s chump change.

When I was in the Midwest, I used to drive along a small stretch of old Highway 40, parallel to the 70 superhighway. What a sad road 40 is. It’s a largely empty 4 lane bumpy road, lined with old mom and pop motels and diners from the 50’s, many literally falling apart to where only the sign is left. They had obviously been proud small businesses put out when superhighway 70 went through just a few miles north.

Many of those old motels are now rental efficiency apartments for the poor. I wonder what they cost.

popcorn scraped from ceilings

Popcorn ceilings contain asbestos in most cases. That’s an expensive removal.

Hey Pimp,

Why the constance stream of lathered up lies and speculation from you?

I am staying at the Hampton Inn at Crystal Run Crossing Middletown NY at a rate $159. Next week I will be at the Holiday Inn in Elizabeth town PA same price. I think hotels are trying their best to make hay while the sun shines. In the colder months occupancy will drop to less than 30 percent. My guess is that it is all about survival. About not building hotels anymore I think there is an oversupply. Get of any fricken exit off a major highway and you will find more hotels than McDonalds or Burger kings.

Get of any fricken exit off a major highway and you will find more hotels than McDonalds or Burger kings.

+1. Last road trip I took, there were four brand new vinyl-sided POS 4-story motels at every exit. Looked like the build quality of the average new house. I guess it’s cheaper to tear them down every few years than to build them well.

Palmetto .

That’s a good summary of the situation that you posted above me on the ” Disposessed Majority”,IMHO .

It has always baffled me how the PR machine could convince people to vote against their own self interest .I guess they think they are dumb ,or they don’t have the time to figure it out and its easier just to convince people to be a “TRUE BELIEVER”,and just direct their anger toward
anything but the true Culprits that are laughing all the way to the bank at how dumb they are . They must be on drugs(legal or illegal ) ,or all the corn syrup they eat has taken its toll .

Especially interesting that a former Reagan Administration official should say these things.

Why? PCR has spent much of his post-Reagan career trying to set the record straight on what really happened during the early Reagan years. It’s a real eye-opener.

Depending upon what sort of propaganda (neolib or neocon) colors a person’s point of view, Reagan is seen in a certain way, neither of which is reality, according to PCR.

That’s why I admire PCR. I don’t agree with everything he says, but at least he wasn’t a good little puppet who toed the party line.

LOL, I’ve actually had that happen to me. Took a summer job at a retail store in Connecticut between college semesters back in the day, was sitting on a bench, waiting for the bus to take me to work. Got bombed by a bird, took a splat on the knee of my pants. Looked around to see if anyone noticed. It was actually sort of embarassing.

I was hauling trash with a friend and his son once, and when we got to the dump, he told his kid to put on his hat. The kid kind of balked and argued, but finally complied. His hat was immediately shat on by a seagull.

It was a teaching moment.

Awesome story…

“The kid kind of balked and argued, but finally complied. His hat was immediately shat on by a seagull. It was a teaching moment.”

Haha! It would have been a better teaching moment if he had let the kid keep the hat off.

Reminds me of the “Foo bird”

Foo bird sits in a tree. Guy walks under tree. Foo bird takes a dump on him. Guy wipes it off. As soon as he wipes it off, guy keels over, and dies.

Next day, another guy walks under the Foo bird. Same thing happens. In fact it happens to everyone who gets crapped on by the Foo bird and wipes it off.

Moral of the Story???”

“If the Foo shitz, wear it.”

“Haha! It would have been a better teaching moment if he had let the kid keep the hat off.”

If he had balked another 2 or 3 seconds, that’s what would have happened.

I remember his face… he looked at his dad like he was some kind of wizard.

So, you are in the Hamptons…

Could be Montauk, Sag Harbor.

Close to sag harbor…inlaws have lived here most of their lives.

I don’t believe that money owed on federal taxes is wiped out by BKs

Colorado, if the loan is discharged in bankruptcy, there is no tax on the amount forgiven. It’s not forgiven, it’s discharged.

The 2005 amendments to the Bankruptcy Code expanded the protection of student loan lenders to include private student loans.

There’s that bankruptcy “reform” again.

As for the foreign MDs, many are trained at low cost state universities in their home countries.

Cost of Med school at federal universities in Brazil: Free

Friends 21 day hospital stay & 8 hour back operation at public Brazilian hospital: Free (but the food sucked)

I know a doctor or potential doctor from one of the stans of the formal soviet union and she is very bright, but is not even sure she wants to go through the grueling process. As an aside, she is married to a Navy Seal.

Oh yes, I neglected to include the ECFMG exams. They are roughly equivalent to parts 1,2 and 3 of the national medical boards all rolled together. Fun times.

Because all the people who go to medical school dream of living out the rest of their lives making $15 an hour and having even that amount partially confiscated by debt collectors, never having savings or a functional car or even a bank account. Yup. That is what medical students all dream about.

Well whats the alternative? Nip and tucks for the Hampton crowd just to pay off the debt?

Or go into some other highly paid specialty that pays a lot. Why do you think so many American doctors go into specialties?

So Polly work at a job he might hate, just to make enough to pay off the student loans? sounds depressing.

But that is what adults do. They do what it takes to pay their debts.

And why do you assume that doctors hate being specialists who make enough money to pay their student loans?

Well i guess i’ve never been much of an adult then.

Lots of people do it because their families are far more important then the ok job.

I’d stiff the loan and have fun …. be a beach bum and work as a pathologist couple a days a week and let the loan die when i do.

$300K….there is no excuse for that amount of debt.

It was when I was in my teens that I realized that the medical profession was more about making a lot of money and enriching oneself than it was about helping people. Might have been that conspicuously consuming doctor up the street and my mother’s under-the-breath comments about him. Or it could have been my own experiences.

But there it is. One of the major reasons why I bust you-know-what to stay healthy so I can avoid medical types.

I studied biology before moving to economics. During that time, I saw many driven pre-med students. Frankly, being an MD never really entered my mind, I wanted to go into genetics. That said, I realized quickly that I didn’t want it enough to be a doctor anyway, but certainly felt better that we have generally such driven people going into the profession.

That said, $300k is madness…

That said, $300k is madness…

Not if you end up making $600,000 a year.

…But a shrinking population means fewer sales. How will “capitalism” cope with that?…

Now we are getting to the core of the problem!

Sounds like me.

Regarding the climate change thing, I read somewhere that the best way to reduce the carbon footprint on the planet is put on a condom.

the best way to reduce the carbon footprint on the planet is put on a condom

Non-breeders here. And adding to the subject of climate change, we have a fatalistic view of this that the humanoid species is unwilling or unable to change its behavior on a scale that could prevent or reverse its effects i.e. polar ice caps melting, but take comfort in knowing we’ll likely be dead within 50 years before it gets much worse

Great point palmetto . But don’t dare suggest to certain populations that procreation is creating a lot of stress for this Planet and eventual starvation for many people ,but this is a situation that is exploited by the Monopolies if anything . Over population and unemployment and starvation makes a person willing to work for anything the
‘Strong Hands” want,even exploiting child labor .

If Globalism is going to be the economic system now ,than you would need Universal rules and min wage and pollution laws enforced World wide to prevent the absurd transfer of wealth to the exploiters . They should make a law that
American Corporations can’t pay slave labor costs outside of America for starters . Of course all the Corporations and Monopolies are going to go to other Countries for their labor if allowed ,while they erode the tax base here and
the money flow here ,while they demand greater tax breaks here .
Whatever good points Globalism had it was hijacked by a system that simply enriched and transfered wealth to
“few hands ” ,because all the different Countries are playing by different rules . The Corporations and Monopolies just avoid all the labor gains and working condition gains and pollution control gains that the worker bees made in the USA the last 100 years.

Of course the poor in other Countries welcome Corporations from anywhere so they can have some jobs .
Right now the USA worker bees would most likely welcome it ,but our cost of living gets in the way of making it on 75 cents a hour wages . I am also sure at this point that Corporations are bringing the lower wage workers from other Countries to the United States as a form of ensourcing to crack the back of the USA worker .

Regarding the climate change thing, I read somewhere that the best way to reduce the carbon footprint on the planet is put on a condom.

In essence, that was the decision I made during my reproductive years. Deciding not to marry was another.

No regrets about either decision.

No regrets about either decision

“I try my best
To be just like I am
But everybody wants you
To be just like them”
Bob Dylan, 1965

” Everybody must get stoned .” Bob Dylan

Regarding the climate change thing, I read somewhere that the best way to reduce the carbon footprint on the planet is put on a condom.

But a shrinking population means fewer sales. How will “capitalism” cope with that?

we have a fatalistic view of this that the humanoid species is unwilling or unable to change its behavior on a scale that could prevent or reverse its effects i.e. polar ice caps melting, but take comfort in knowing we’ll likely be dead within 50 years before it gets much worse

That’s right baby! Since it’ll be someone else’s problem, who gives a sh#t!

We are evil fascist republicans because we:
Love guns
Oppose illegal immigration
Despise race hustling pimps like Al & Jesse
Eat at Chick-Fil-A

Since I support oppose illegal immigration, despise Al and Jesse and eat at Chick-Fil-A (mmmm … fried chicken prepared by Fundies) what does that make me?

“Oppose illegal immigration”

Name one serious Republican national level politician that is openly against illegal immigration. Here in Arizona we’re about as anti-illegal immigration as you get, and still BOTH of our senators and ALL of our House of Reps members have supported various “comprehensive immigration reform” measures that included path to citizenship for those that came here illegally.

Heck, when E-Verify law went into effect, leaders from both parties raced back to session to ensure that it was only enforced for new employees, not existing employees. Politicians from both parties realized the economic disaster that would result from 15%-20% of the population of the state packing up and leaving all at once.

But a shrinking population means fewer sales. How will “capitalism” cope with that?

It can’t. Capitalism requires constant and never-ending growth. We’re at the end.

(The current form of) Capitalism requires constant and never-ending growth.

I couldn’t muster the energy to make dinner last night, so off we go to our old and delicious standby: burritos in the Mission.

Taqueria take-out for 2 adults and 2 kids = $28. No drinks, nothing fancy.

Sheesh, when I first moved here a burrito was only a couple of bucks, and they were as big as a fat guinea pig.

Oxide ….I think from 1946 to 1985 it was a different World . No doubt after World War 2 there was a great need for expansion and growth in the USA,without much competition from other Countries ,or monopolies either ( a golden era really ) .
Also the Glass-Steagall Act kept Investment firms and
Commerical Banks seperated ,as they should of been for all those years up to 1999 when they made the mistake of getting rid of that law .

In the 50’s and 60’s everybody use to be worried about automation taking the jobs .Nobody ever dreamed that
it would be Communist Countries and Third World Nation slave labor that would take the jobs and manufacturing ,or that the Politicians would sell out the worker bees of America and become traitors to the welfare of the USA, because of the higest bidder lobby system that has encouraged Monopolies .

Yes, junk bread is still a buck ,junk Cola can be bought on sale ,but the good stuff has gone up . Look at the price for paper goods now ,those prices have doubled in the past 5 years .At my local stores some produce has remained the same on sale but most has gone up at least 50%. In fact buying the sales is most likely the way to go . Eggs went up and milk tends to stay about the same price . Chocolate went up in price . Oh, dog food went up in price ,and lets not forget rents and cost for medical care . Gas goes up and down but it’s higher overall than 5 years ago .My cable
phone and internet went up 50% in the last 5 years ,and the utilities/water have risen and additional taxes has been added and increased on the monthly bill .

And service has gone down ,so that’s another way of giving you less . Did anybody get a increase in the price of
medications( I wouldn’t know ,I don’t take any)?

I noticed anything that is real wholesome food is much more expensive . That fake mararoni and cheese that I love so much went from 33 cents to about a buck now .

Why don’t you read his interview? But wanting clean air and water is not if. But expecting people to completely ignore the cost of electricity because you cannot not put any pollutants in the air or water even when they pose no risk to public health is Especially when the pollutant is as benign as Co2. Just calling it a pollutant strikes me as absurd when its more beneficial to life than any threat. Fifteen years of increased co2 in the air and static temperatures. The models predicted a large increase in global temperatures by now, leading Dr, Lovelock to question whether the previous increase in temperature was due to Co2 and I have concurred for over six years. I understand why it took him so long, since he essentially was the original advocate of the theory. I thought it might have some validity in 1998 but then the cooling began.

But expecting people to completely ignore the cost of electricity because you cannot not put any pollutants in the air or water even when they pose no risk to public health

You mean like the brown cloud over Denver that prompts the authorities to issue warnings to stay indoors?

Utilities in Colorado have been mandated to generate 10% of all power from renewable resources. At first they screamed that it would be unachievable, a disaster.

Fast forward to today. 17% of all power is from renewables. We have low utility rates (~7 cents / kwh in my hometown).

Even if there is no “global warming” I think we would be better off with cleaner air in our cities.

Commie! Enjoying our Front Range ozone action alert day today? Driving down 225 yesterday the foothills looked like a hazy brown mirage on the horizon

You really think the brown haze is from utilities and not vehicles?

The name given by the Chumash tribe of Native Americans for the area now known as Los Angeles translates to “the valley of smoke.

When big mountains block the flow of air pollutants become visible, not all are caused by man.

I like seeing, feeling and smelling pollution. It shows me that man is making real progress and finally taking control and exerting dominance over the earth as God intended.

You really think the brown haze is from utilities and not vehicles?

Duh! It’s from all of them.

I just don’t get why people don’t want to breathe cleaner air.

“The name given by the Chumash tribe of Native Americans for the area now known as Los Angeles translates to “the valley of smoke.”

No doubt true. I wonder if they have an ancient equivalent in Beijing.

The collapse of the Anazasi and Maya civilizations were directly related to human created environmental problems. I once asked Jared Diamond at a book signing at the UCLA book fair if he would write a book about nations who have had a successful environmental record for the good of the world. He gave me an amazed look like the idea was really great but I haven’t seen any book yet. Come on Jared. Any time now

It’s “valley of LITTLE smokes”.

Sorry it is not a lie and it is has been 14 years. They have been playing with numbers to try to hide it and that was at the heart of the e-mail scandal awhile ago but the simple fact is that there is much more co2 in the air but flat global temperatures. the computer models have failed completely. Thus, when you break it down and he is being very honest if increased co2 has not caused meaningful global warming despite the models predicting that it would be about 1.5 degrees by now, maybe co2 was not the primary or even significant cause for the rise that did occur between 1978-98. The science is far from being settled in this matter. Hansen is an alarmist joke.

When I tell Brazilians that climate change is an issue that divides along political lines in the USA they don’t get the concept. Then when I re-explain it they look at me like my country must be a little nuts.

Opinions on climate change do not divide along political lines in Brazil and they don’t understand why they would.

This makes me wonder why climate change opinions divide along political lines in America. Is it Democrats or Republicans who most forced this division? Who has the most interest in forcing this division and why?

“When I tell Brazilians that climate change is an issue that divides along political lines in the USA they don’t get the concept.”

Oh, if it were only climate change that we divided opinion on political lines.

Lowering tax rates increases economic activity, increasing total tax receipts. You know, the whole a smaller slice of a large pie is actually more pie, argument.

Heck, we’re so far gone, we can’t even agree on what fiat money is, where it comes from, or what gives it value.

Why would anyone in Brazil be against the the global warming theory? Part of the program is a massive transfer of wealth from the developed world to the undeveloped world to “deal” with the “consequences” of global warming.

Why shouldn’t the U.S. and the middle class taxpayers fix India’s electric grid by paying for solar and wind so companies such as IBM that outsourced jobs to India will have a secure power source?

To reference another HBB poster, it is because the “eeeeevil oil companies” donate more $ to one party than the other.

Why would anyone in Brazil be against the the global warming theory? Part of the program is a massive transfer of wealth from the developed world to the undeveloped world.

You’re assuming something that isn’t. Brazilians don’t know what the “program” is. They are not basing their opinion on any potential cash windfall. They don’t know about it. And they are not basing their opinions on politics either.

They are mostly basing their opinion on the common sense idea that massive global pollution can and probably is affecting climate.

I would like to see any data you have that they are unaware that the the global climate summits were not talking about massive wealth transfers. I was in papers all over the world, in fact leaders were upset because we were only talking about 100 billion to begin.

LOL Did a cursory look and found stories going back as far as eight years ago about the Brazilian president signing a law to solicit donations from the world to combat global warming to the tune of at least $21 billion for Brazil alone. Yea the Brazilians know nothing about the money.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25972533-environment

Link. Or course after copenhagen the 100 billion was a bill and not a donation and news of that you can be sure was all over Brazil.

I would like to see any data you have that they are unaware that the the global climate summits were not talking about massive wealth transfers.

Obviously you are not familiar with the typical Brazilian. The ones I’ve spoken to have no idea of the “program”.

But that is beside my point that Brazilian’s opinion on climate change does not divide along political lines.

Yea the Brazilians know nothing about the money.

The ones that I’ve talked to don’t know about “the money”. But again, you are for some reason sidetracking and missing the main point. The main point is that in general, Brazilians don’t draw their opinion on climate change along political party lines. Why does this main point bother you so? Because it may lead people to believe that in America the Republican establishment is behind the political division of the issue? And why would they be?

Some Brazilians believe in climate change and some don’t but most of their beliefs are not based on their political parties or potential cash.

Which part of

“…Every scientific agency around the world has confirmed it IS rising…”

is not true?

is not true?

Allow me to share a little anecdote.

Many Fundies hold tightly to the “Young Earth” doctrine, which insists that the universe is only 6000 years old.

So, you ask them, how can we see stars and galaxies that are millions of light years away? Their light shouldn’t have reached us yet.

So how do they respond to that?

They pull out a crackpot scientist who says that the speed of light used to be much higher than it is now.

Presto! Problem solved!

Which part of

is not true?

Every part is untrue. There is no consensus, agencies can’t confirm the data have been altered then lost, the rise stopped 15 years ago, …

http://tinyurl.com/8c64rny

The director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies is an alarmist joke? Are you kidding?

His predictions from 25 years ago didn’t go far enough. It turns out things are worse.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/climate-change-is-here–and-worse-than-we-thought/2012/08/03/6ae604c2-dd90-11e1-8e43-4a3c4375504a_story.html

The reason that global warming is divided among political lines is that one party is the party of fossil fuels and the other party is the party of renewable fuels.

Of course there’s a lot of overlap and gray area.

The cool thing about science is that it’s true whether you believe it or not.

…and those excerpts were about to be my next point.

Thanks Pete.

This year is colder on a global basis than 1998. That is a fact and you cannot find any data to dispute it. Proponents now like to say things like the average is still going up. But that is why I used the example of the clothes iron yesterday. It is no suprise that it is taking the world time to cool off and some of the hottest years will occur even over the next few years. Sunspots which hit another peak 2012 to 2013 and have occurred in the greatest numbers over the last fifty years in 8000 years combined with the pacific decadal oscillator being in a warm cycle up to a few years ago did warm the earth. Was man made co2 a minor contributor? I never argued otherwise.However, we are about to go into a period of very low sunspot activity and I am confident that nature is going to swamp manmade activity and we are going cooler. Got popcorn?

“This year is colder on a global basis than 1998.”

Are the official measurements for 2012 all in? (No). Does your 1998 number include the whole year? I’m guessing yes, but correct me if I’m wrong. As for this year, most weather stations are in the northern hemisphere, which from January until now has had mainly winter and spring, the coldest months.

In other words, do you mean that Jan-July of 1998 was warmer than Jan-July of 2012, or was all of ‘98 warmer on average that what we have officially recorded so far in 2012? If the latter, you should keep in mind that the hottest temps of this year have not yet been officially entered yet.

I am talking about the year to date. If you really want to see how the data is being manipulated you need to go to websites such as whatsupwiththat.com but even using Hansen’s manipulated data 1998’s global average of land and ocean temperatures is significantly higher than this year. We have desperate global warming advocates trying to cherry pick data to support their claims. Why just use the 48 states maybe because Alaska has been significantly cooler than average. O.K. I will play if you leave out Texas the rest of the 48 states were significantly hotter in 1934 prior to C02 even being player.

Sorry: wattsupwiththat.com

“However, we are about to go into a period of very low sunspot activity and I am confident that nature is going to swamp manmade activity and we are going cooler. Got popcorn?”

As I said yesterday, good on the sunspot activity! We should take any cooling that comes our way as a gift. A short term one.

“Proponents now like to say things like the average is still going up.”

The average, as far as climate is concerned, is what’s important. Our planet’s dynamic system reacts to it. Taken at its most simple level, a 1-degree temperature change is not going to hurt a corn crop. But that change may well cause weather pattern changes that throw rainfall patterns completely out of whack. Some agricultural areas can deal with that, sort of, most cannot.

No doubt we will also see short term cooling spells as this plays out long term.

I did check out wattupwiththat.com. The story about temperature measurement was strictly about the United States and how the noaa doesn’t take into account heat islands and stuff like that (they do, as far as I’ve heard). I didn’t navigate the site, but if you wan’t to point us to something there regarding solely global temps….

There was also this headline: “Wind power not coming through for California – power alert issued by the CAISO”

From article: “The graph from CAISO tells the story, wind power has tumbled when it is most needed:”—followed by a graph representing watts produced and hour of the day.

I do not understand the “when it is most needed” part. Wind generation goes to the grid, unless it’s someone’s residential windmill. It really doesn’t matter when the wind blows, as opposed to solar, which is generally residential, so it matters there a great deal. If they are trying to say that wind doesn’t live up to its wattage hype, then by all means, they should make the case. But telling me that wind power fails because of the wind isn’t blowing at the right time is the opposite of helpful.

Come on you guys ,its not favorable for big business to have any limitations on being able to pollute the World
or rape the World for greater profits ,without regulation .

Normal people just don’t want pollution and would like to have cheaper and cleaner energy costs and limit pollution . Its big business that doesn’t want to go along with that program .The toxins in the air and water and land are making people sick more and more these days .Humans just can’t throw off the harmful effects ,so this no doubt increases the medical costs . People just can’t thrive eating crap food either .

Don’t know if it should be a trademark (since it’s not a good or service), or copyrighted.

Need to get Polly’s expert opinion. And how to copyright it.

If I do it, and make any money from it, I’ll throw a HBB get together, and pay for the dinner and alcohol.

And the cab rides.

Republimentalists©

There. Copyrighted. That’s all you have to, Just make sure you make explicit claim to it right here and you’re done.

To get a copyright, you just have to start claiming it.

Trademarks have to be registered.

Either one I think works with a name.

Or, you can, you know, just use it. The democrats are terrible at branding. They aren’t going to steal it.

How do I copyright a name, title, slogan, or logo?
Copyright does not protect names, titles, slogans, or short phrases. In some cases, these things may be protected as trademarks. Contact the U.S. Patent & Trademark Office, 800-786-9199,

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html#title

Their first amendment rights should not apply to institutions they run? What is wrong with free choice? Your church employer doesn’t provide birth control either change the employer or pay for it yourself.

They don’t run them. The organizations are 100% independent.

And in many cases these organizations butt heads with the local Bishop, who has no authority over them. Catholic Charities is a good example of this.

The church does not have to hand out birth control.

The church does have to provide health care insurance to its employees. That health care has to cover birth control.

What is wrong with free choice? Really? The answer to that is soooooo obvious. Free choice has created a healthcare dis-system where 44 million Americans don’t have health care insurance. Free choice created a system where another 45 million Americans are on Medicaid, and another 50 million are on medicare.

So, HALF the population is either on government health care, or has no health care coverage.

Free choice has created a system where health care is twice as expensive, per person, as the next most expensive country, and still we have far worse average outcomes than those nearest spenders….. because profit is far more important than standard of care.

You know what? Churches that run primary education schools are also required to teach Darwinian Evolution in their science classes.

Details, mere details…….

Not enough for us to worry our little pin-heads over. Not when the godless heathens are picketing Chick-fil-a.

Or he could tell us what tax “loop holes” he is planning to close now

Revealing that would probably be as damaging as releasing those pesky tax returns.

Who cares??? He is pro life and will sign an executive order on his first day taking funding away from overseas abortions!!

^^Single and only issue that matters to traditional Catholic voters.^^