People Are Starting To Pay Too Much Again
It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Six months after the announcement of a 49-state settlement with lenders over mortgage foreclosure abuses, Florida still hasn’t done anything with its share, but a homeowner advocate said she was ‘cautiously optimistic.’ ‘Housing in Florida is still a mess, Cherie Faircloth said. ‘I have for sale signs all over my street, empty houses.’”
“She said after never missing a mortgage payment for 22 years her lender recently informed her that the value of her house had fallen below her loan amount. ‘I can’t fix my home, I can’t repair it, I can’t do anything, I can’t sell it,’ Faircloth said. ‘Basically I did everything right and I feel as a citizen that I have been taken great advantage of.’”
“Foreclosures continue to increase across Florida, potentially hurting home prices in the second half of the year, analysts say. Still, buyers and real estate agents insist the market can handle a wave of foreclosures. The number of homes for sale has dropped sharply in the past year, leaving buyers frustrated and, in some cases, prone to overpay. ‘I wish banks would release this foreclosure inventory faster,’ said David Dweck, president of the Boca Real Estate Investment Club. ‘Demand is so high that people are starting to pay too much again.’”
“Since the beginning of 2009, 11,895 homes were sold in Boone, Ogle and Winnebago counties. In that same time frame, there have been 10,951 foreclosure filings. The percentage of bank-owned homes sold has varied from 25 percent in a month to more than 40 percent during the crisis. Assume that 30 percent of the homes sold each month are bank-owned properties, and that means that more than 7,000 of the homes foreclosed on since the beginning of 2009 are still on the market.”
“‘It’s such a deep pool. A lot of these properties have been empty for two years or more,’ said Jean Crosby of Rockford’s Prudential Crosby Starck Realtors. ‘I don’t know many neighborhoods that haven’t been faced with one. We had a short sale where the homeowner hadn’t made a payment for two years,’ Crosby said. ‘The homeowner left the area and canceled the cell phone service. We got a great offer but couldn’t negotiate because we couldn’t find the owner. We called the bank to see what we could do and there was nothing. It’s still vacant.’”
“The rate of new foreclosure filings in Maryland far exceeded any other state’s this spring, a spike caused in large part by the national robo-signing legal settlement that unleashed a flood of new cases. ‘If you look at what’s going on in foreclosure starts, Maryland now has exceeded Florida, has exceeded Georgia — some of the states that have been up there at the top in terms of the percent of loans on which foreclosure actions have started,’ said Jay Brinkmann, the Mortgage Bankers Association’s chief economist. ‘Maryland dominates in essentially every loan type.’”
“‘The bottom line is, no matter what state you’re in, there are still millions of foreclosures ahead,’ said Ginna Green, a spokeswoman for the Center for Responsible Lending.”
“Whether the government should intervene or let the market dictate the pace of recovery confounds many in Nevada, and there’s little wonder why: The state leads the nation in unemployment, bankruptcies and foreclosures. And voters seem just as far apart on this solution as the candidates are themselves. ‘I couldn’t imagine us being able to get out of this cycle if we didn’t have that helping hand,’ said Nelson Araujo, an Obama supporter who runs a consumer credit counseling agency.”
“The race is likely to turn on the economy and, specifically, housing. Two-thirds of Las Vegas homeowners owe more on their mortgages than their homes are worth. Fearing the worst is still ahead, Las Vegas real estate agent Phil Perrine seems to share Romney’s position as he counters, ‘It’s important that the government help us by not helping us. There’s a huge shadow inventory of homes sitting back there that at some point is going to be dumped on the market,’ continuing the downward trend in property values, said Perrine, who supports Romney.”
“State lawmakers typically keep modest quarters near the Capitol to use when they’re in town, with help from their tax-free expense allowance of $28,000 a year. Assemblyman Tony Mendoza bought a three-bedroom home instead, paying $463,000 for it after his 2006 election. ‘If you bought property, property values would go higher,’ said the Democrat, whose main home is in Artesia. ‘So I figured as soon as I get there [Sacramento], I will buy the house.’”
“As Mendoza nears the end of his final Assembly term, he says he owes $150,000 more on his Sacramento home than it’s worth. He is one of at least 10 legislators who didn’t fare well in a real estate climate that once showed no sign of cooling. Assemblywoman Mary Hayashi (D-Hayward) and her husband bought a home in Castro Valley, in the Bay Area, for $698,0000 in 2004. When they put it on the market for $499,000 last year, it didn’t sell.”
“Westminster Republican Van Tran chose a different route out of his dilemma. He estimates that he and his wife lost $300,000 on their second home in a short sale when he completed his Assembly term in 2010. His bank also lost money, although Tran said he could not recall how much. Tran said the $783,000 Sacramento house seemed a safe investment after his election in 2004. But by the time he moved back to Orange County six years later, he could not sell it for what he owed.”
“But ‘geographically, physically and financially,’ he said, ‘it was untenable to hold onto the house.’”
“One former state lawmaker defaulted twice. U.S. Rep. Laura Richardson, a Long Beach Democrat, walked away from her debt on a $535,000 home in Sacramento after she left the Assembly for Congress. The house was sold at auction but was returned to Richardson after she complained to her lender, Washington Mutual. The congresswoman defaulted again and unloaded the property last year in a short sale for $320,000.”
“The nation remains in the grip of a foreclosure crisis if activists and politicians are to be believed, but this is a bit like saying America is suffering from a heat wave. A look at a national weather map shows areas that are red hot, some summer gold and others a cool green. How to explain the difference? One place to start is the rules governing mortgages, which vary by state.”
“In the states where there are real consequences to signing a mortgage note, by contrast, borrowers are more cautious. The connection between mortgage defaults and personal risk was established in a 2009 study sponsored by the Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond, Va., which found that borrowers are less likely to default on mortgages if they are personally responsible for shortfalls. The saying we use for discovering the obvious up here is ‘Dawn breaks on Marblehead.’”
“This would be of merely academic interest in prudent states except that the financing of home mortgages has been nationalized. Since the housing crisis began in 2008, total losses racked up by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, conduits of government mortgage funds, total $250 billion, about $1,300 per U.S. household.”
“Unfortunately, the young family scrimping to buy a home in Massachusetts has no say in laws of spendthrift states that raise borrowing costs for all. Texas, one of the lenient states, was founded by borrowers lured by the promise of debt relief. Maybe we can all go there to get our $1,300 back.”
“I feel as a citizen that I have been taken great advantage of.’”
Aside from the fact that her own decisions resulted in a tragic financial error from which she’ll never recover, her and millions of other jackasses like here engaged in a frenzied market trade that crowded out sane individuals. Those sane individuals are the victims here. Not her.
But I don’t that though ever occurred in her empty skull.
SINK…..
So why would you buy something that costs $36,000/yr in mortgage, taxes and maintenance when you can rent the same exact square footage for $24,000 or less?
Nobody has answer that question. Not here… not anywhere.
‘She said after never missing a mortgage payment for 22 years her lender recently informed her that the value of her house had fallen below her loan amount.’
22 years?
….. uh huh…. The unstated truth. I wonder why that wasn’t discussed? Oh yea… that’s right……
All together now……. BOO HOO HOO!!!
HELOCs from hell.
HELOCs from hell.
AC/DC
“Highway To Hell”
Living easy, living free
Season ticket on a one-way ride
Asking nothing, leave me be
Taking everything in my stride
Dont need reason, dont need rhyme
Aint nothing I’d rather do
Going down, party time
My friends are gonna be there too, yeah
I gotta HELOC from hell
A HELOC from hell
HELOC from hell
A HELOC from hell
No stop signs, speed limit
Nobodys gonna slow me down
Like a wheel, gonna spin it
Nobodys gonna mess me round
Hey Banker, can`t pay pay my dues
Playing in a rocking band
Hey momma, look at me
Im on my way to the promised land
OWWW
I gotta HELOC from hell
A HELOC from hell
HELOC from hell
A HELOC from hell
ohhhhh
Don’t stop me
yeah, yeah, owwww
I gotta HELOC from hell
A HELOC from hell
HELOC from hell
A HELOC from hell
HELOC from hell
HELOC from hell
HELOC from hell
momma, HELOC from hell
And Im going down, all the way down
With a HELOC from hell
Bravo Jeth-Row!!!!
Hey…. can you do anything with “Hot Child In the City”???
Something like “House Pimp in the City”…… running scams and _____?
“Six months after the announcement of a 49-state settlement with lenders over mortgage foreclosure abuses, Florida still hasn’t done anything with its share, but a homeowner advocate said she was ‘cautiously optimistic.’”
Florida cargo cultists somehow manage to keep the faith!
The alternative to this kind of thinking is despair, which understandably is not popular. I felt despair this morning when I walked my dog on some different streets and saw that a few more reasonably-sized houses had been torn down and the lots bulldozed to prepare for the inevitable rectangular particleboard McMansions. We just can’t do any better. There are people who want us to do better, but they have no influence in this culture at this time, meaning that they are as doomed as the fools.
“The alternative to this kind of thinking is despair, which understandably is not popular.”
Despair is not an alternative, it’s a stage of recovery. Too bad we have remained stuck in the denial stage for five years already, thanks to extend-and-pretend.
denial -> anger -> bargaining -> depression -> acceptance
“This would be of merely academic interest in prudent states except that the financing of home mortgages has been nationalized. Since the housing crisis began in 2008, total losses racked up by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, conduits of government mortgage funds, total $250 billion, about $1,300 per U.S. household.”
I will never understand why the banks who loaned too much and the homeowners who borrowed too much could not have shouldered the consequences. But this ‘privatize profits / socialize losses’ business model certainly goes a long way towards explaining the moral hazard incentives that spawned an epic real estate mania. When the dust settles on this episode in financial history, these facts will remain in plain view through the rear view mirror.
‘Since the housing crisis began in 2008, total losses racked up by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, conduits of government mortgage funds, total $250 billion’
I’ve asked this before; when I started this blog, the GSE’s were 2 of the 5 largest corporations in the world. Are we supposed to believe they were both bankrupted, almost simultaneously, by $250 billion, most of which was booked after the govt put them in receivership?
‘this ‘privatize profits / socialize losses’ business model’
Why doesn’t someone call Obama’s hand on it? He’s pushing to expand the losses at Fannie and Freddie. Somebody made money on those loans; why doesn’t he pursue them for the bill? Most here know I’m not supporting the other ‘nominee’, but I really doubt ‘the race is likely to turn on the economy and, specifically, housing’. If so, why isn’t there some discussion of cutting principal balances and who pays for it? Who benefits? Might that lead back to how $250 billions could take down the GSE’s? About those off-shore entities the GSE’s held by the hundreds? And AIG’s similar off-shore companies?
Clearly the losses on housing equity by Fannie/Freddie are grossly understated. Much has been stated here on this topic by some of our more intuitive contributors but one statement that stands out and is the basis of my understanding of the horizon is this;
“30 years of massive over leveraging doesn’t de-lever in a few short years”
What do you all think is going to happen during and at the end of the delevering process??? What did you think was going to happen after 30 years of negative wage inflation? Do you honestly believe prices should go up in a negative wage inflation environment? Yes prices went up explosively but take a look down the 30 year pipe barrel my friends….. what do you see?
As another so eloquently stated, “The cult of equity is dying a slow painful death”. You do not want to be so deluded as to believe in “equity”. if you do, it’s going to be the disappointment of your lifetime.
Saying that the race will turn on housing sounds like a propaganda campaign by industries attempting to preserve prerogatives that this country no longer can afford.
The really shameful aspect is the number of highly published academic economists who have joined the throng of sheep claiming that a housing recovery is the only way back from the brink.
I challenge anyone who can to post links to generally accepted evidence from economic literature to support this claim. I don’t believe there is any…
And our in-house pimps merely post NAR paid to print statistics arranged to suit their agenda.
As a side note…. a good friend of mine, an accountant of accountants stated to me 5 years back that he and his ilk can “make the books say whatever they want and do so legally.”
“The really shameful aspect is the number of highly published academic economists who have joined the throng of sheep claiming that a housing recovery is the only way back from the brink.”
Last I checked, well-paying jobs were what led to house sales, not the other way around. I guess I need to go out and buy a brand new Ferrari, because then my economic situation will improve dramatically. Who knew it was so easy?
“Last I checked, well-paying jobs were what led to house sales, not the other way around.”
What about trillions of dollars in freshly-minted liquidity that wants to find a home in some kind of investment, any kind of investment? Would that lead to house sales, at least of the fly-by-night infestment variety?
“Why doesn’t someone call Obama’s hand on it?”
Isn’t that Romney’s job?
And he should right? RIGHT?
But he won’t because that would force him to stop the insanity and neither one of these Jackasses running for the office of the presidency are interested in that.
Ron Paul?
Megabank, Inc provides way too much campaign financing to both parties for either to weigh in on substantive issues like this one.
Cheap housing doesn’t focus-group well - ?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kang_and_Kodos
“Don’t blame me! I voted for Kodos” - Homer
Ron Paul’s ‘Audit the Fed’ bill passes the House
At long last, Ron Paul has his day.
The House of Representatives on Wednesday overwhelmingly approved the Texas Republican’s bill to increase the transparency of the Federal Reserve. With bipartisan support, the measure passed 327-98.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/ron-pauls-audit-fed-bill-passes-house/story?id=16855319#.UCaY9Hlxcyk
You really can’t fix our kind of stupid.
“As Mendoza nears the end of his final Assembly term, he says he owes $150,000 more on his Sacramento home than it’s worth. He is one of at least 10 legislators who didn’t fare well in a real estate climate that once showed no sign of cooling.”
Add those folks to the MSM reporters in the same boat, and it’s no wonder government won’t get out of the way and why we’re seeing “market improvement…”bidding wars…blah blah” all over the country.
And you gotta love the “didn’t fare well” language, like Mendoza just lost a tennis match, no big deal.
Is anyone else seeing an imbalance in their local market between low-end and high-end listings?
Here is the San Diego County list price breakdown (from Redfin.com) which includes all MLS-listed homes (foreclosures and non-foreclosures) plus FSBOS:
Under $1M 4135 (74.4%)
$1M and over 1425 (25.6%)
Total Inventory 5560
I’m guessing less than one out of four San Diego buyers is looking in the $1M+ range these days, but please correct me if I am wrong.
We have something similar in my little burg, except that the magic number is in the low 200K range. Below that houses are selling briskly and the builders are building again. Above the magic number … nothing is selling and there is no new construction.
Curiously, the median HH incomes in my little burg and San Diego County are similar. Makes me wonder how San Diegans can afford those expensive houses.
“Makes me wonder how San Diegans can afford those expensive houses.”
Once the China bubble and the Canada bubble pop, clearing out the all-cash investors from the market, maybe we will find out?
I can say that I have a colleague at work who has been trying to sell since last summer in the $1M+ price range. So far still no offers I know of, despite having dropped the price by $400K already…
Basically I did everything right and I feel as a citizen that I have been taken great advantage of.
If you have been paying your mortgage for 22 years and you’re still underwater, then you most assuredly did not do everything right.
I smell an unreported HELOC.
Might be the Mortgage Gnomes. They only come out at night, and add to your mortgage balance while everyone is sleeping. Come morning time, nobody knows what happened to all that money, and everybody is a victim.
Or she conveniently left out that she never missed a payment in 22 years on 3 different mortgages, each one larger than the last.
22 years of payments on a 30-year would have cut the balance in half (if not more).
Anybody have an amortization table handy?
I paid off my 30-year loan in 17 years by making an extra monthly full payment directly to principal for 15 years and accelerated in the last two years.
Mortgage magic!
The Colorado Springs market is on fire!
Aug. 10, 2012, 6:39 p.m. EDT
This week in Real Estate
By MarketWatch
Markets in Middle America are experiencing some of the highest year-over-year price increases and racking up the biggest rises in the number of transactions, according to a list released by ERA Real Estate this week.
Included in ERA’s list of top markets are Albuquerque, N.M., where pending sales were up 12% in June compared with a year ago; and Colorado Springs, Colo., where the average sales price is up 9% over a year ago. Also on the list are Atlanta, Houston and New Orleans.
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