When People Realize There’s A Problem
WFSU reports on Florida. “Florida Realtors President Summer Greene says she’s seeing a trend across the state indicating the housing market has not only stabilized, but it’s also gaining ground. She says home prices are rising in many markets even with 33-percent drop in homes up for sale in July from a year ago. ‘People are getting off the sidelines and they’re recognizing that ‘hey, if I don’t buy a home now, I’m missing out! Interests are going to start creeping out, I won’t be able to take advantage of the historically low interests rates, and the prices are going to bump on me,’ remarked Greene.”
The Pensacola News Journal. “Perdido Key’s inventory of unsold properties has dropped to 185 — the first time it’s been less than 200 in several years. What’s more, beach property brokers are noting that many of the recent buys are all-cash sales, a good indicator that smart investors are moving in and scooping up steals. ‘Sellers are pricing close to the buying point, and buyers think prices are not going to go down further,’ said Perdido Key Realtor Alison Davenport.”
“Perhaps the most active end of the market are those units that were on the market at $1 million and above and now have dropped into the high six-figure range. ‘People with that kind of money who can pay cash didn’t get there by making stupid decisions,’ Davenport said.”
From Marketplace. “Dundee is a town of 3,500 people, in the middle of Polk County. But not too long ago, Dundee was preparing for a population 10 times that size. At the height of the housing boom, developers thought this little town could become a bedroom community for nearby cities like Lakeland and Winterhaven, and maybe even for Orlando. Mark Wheeler grows Valencia oranges in and around Dundee. Back then, speculators were paying so much money for land, Wheeler couldn’t say ‘no.’ He sold two groves.”
“‘Put a lot of time and sweat equity and money into them,’ Wheeler recalled. ‘But it got to the point where the prices were just crazy.’”
“One of the first developers to get to Dundee was Ron Ben-Zeev. Ron Ben-Zeev has spent these last few years trying to get out of the development business, trying to get rid of the land here. ‘We are in negotiations with a bank to try to come up with a solution that makes sense, although right now, it seems to be hard to do,’ he explained. ‘And we’re trying to find some way to stave-off the losses as best we can.’”
The Herald Tribune. “Faced with slumping sales, Gibraltar Homes LLC appears to be having the kinds of difficulties many residential builders weathered three years ago. Gibraltar president Albert Sanchez Jr. blames the setbacks and affiliated layoffs on slowing sales. ‘In 2011 we sold about 50 homes,’ Sanchez said. ‘That was really great. We geared up for it, we added some people. Then you go through a period where you sell very few, and then all of a sudden you are overstaffed again.’”
“Florida is suffering from the recent retrenching by consumers. Nationally, 70 percent of the economy is consumer-driven but the number is much higher in the Sunshine State, said Don Grimes, a University of Michigan economist who has a home in Sarasota. Grimes questions the Federal Reserve’s policy of keeping interest rates low for so long. While low rates are aimed at spurring the economy — particularly business investment — that does not appear to be working.”
“The policy has been particularly detrimental in Southwest Florida, eroding investment returns for retirees and keeping consumer spending slow, Grimes said.”
“In 2011, the economy grew at a 7.6 percent clip, nearly twice this year’s rate. But Florida’s economy — led by double-digit growth in Miami — had been surging at a 9 percent pace during the first four months of the year, only to see that rate fall to 4 percent in May and June. ‘The economy has decelerated,’ said Sean Snaith, a University of Central Florida economist. ‘This is not the most sweeping recovery that’s lifted a lot of boats at the same time and at the same amount. There’s been a lot of holes in it.’”
The Sun Sentinel. “When South Florida’s housing bubble burst and home prices plummeted, they never fell far enough to make rents or single-family homes affordable for the average family. The median home price in Broward County last year was still $47,611 more than the median household could afford, according to an assessment performed by Florida International University’s Metropolitan Center. The gap was $47,263 in Palm Beach County and $60,243 in Miami-Dade County, the report said.”
“More than half the renters in Broward County – 107,107 in 2010 – are ‘extremely cost-burdened,’ spending more than half their income on rent, the report showed. ‘For people that are lower-income, even with low interest rates and low payments, they still can’t come up with the down payments that are now required,’ said Ralph Stone, director of Broward County’s Housing Finance and Community Development Division. ‘The foreclosure inventory is not making any kind of dent in the affordable rent housing.’”
“The city’s Affordable Housing Advisory Committee says the affordability gap will continue to widen as the housing market rebounds. ‘I think Fort Lauderdale is a different community than Coral Springs and Davie. It’s the urban center of Broward County. There’s a greater need,’ developer and committee member Peter Henn said. ‘When people’s kids can’t come back to Fort Lauderdale because they can’t afford to live here, that’s when [people] realize there’s a problem,’ Henn said.”
From USA Today. “Connerton is one of the places where the early 21st-century building boom went bust and America’s suburban frontier stopped in its tracts. Its predicament illustrates broader issues facing President Obama and Mitt Romney, including foreclosures, jobs, the environment and infrastructure. Here, hundreds of grassy building lots are served by nicely paved roads, alleys and sidewalks. There are evocative street signs (Billowy Jaunt Drive, Wonderment Way) as well as street lights, fire hydrants and electrical transformers. Utility lines sprout from the ground, waiting.”
“There’s everything you need for a complete town — except enough houses and people. Pete and Ellen Rundel arrived in 2007, paying $600,000 for a 3,500-square-foot house on Winsome Way that’s now worth $280,000. It’s not their only disappointment. ‘It’s sad what’s not here,’ says Ellen, pausing from her front-yard weeding. ‘This was supposed to be like Reston,’ the densely-settled planned community outside Washington.”
“Although they live in one of a few built-up parts of town, six vacant lots are visible from their yard. Two houses on the street are in foreclosure. The Rundels love their own house, Ellen says, ‘but we did expect restaurants.’”
“Randy Cook is a self-employed online security consultant who built a $900,000 house here in 2006, just before the crash. ‘I’m disappointed by how it’s gone, but who isn’t in the USA right now?’ he asks. ‘I have no intention of leaving. It’s just going to take time.’”
‘hey, if I don’t buy a home now, I’m missing out! Interests are going to start creeping out, I won’t be able to take advantage of the historically low interests rates, and the prices are going to bump on me’
Do people really talk like this in Florida?
I saw that too Ben. Apparently they don’t run amort charts in FL.
When I first saw this quote, it reminded me of when I lived close to Mexico. There was a lot of crack use down there.
As you well know, drug use and mental illness runs rampant in the used house sales biz. They require copious amounts of drugs just to tolerate themselves and look in the mirror.
Who needs crack when you’re intrinsically stupid?
Yes, they do. That collection of articles had some head-shaking quotes. Here’s one:
“Perhaps the most active end of the market are those units that were on the market at $1 million and above and now have dropped into the high six-figure range. ‘People with that kind of money who can pay cash didn’t get there by making stupid decisions,’ Davenport said.”
Miss Davenport, perhaps they got there by stealing the money or by benefitting from fraud. But you’re getting a commission, so morally and ethically it’s all good, right? Next quote:
“‘When people’s kids can’t come back to Fort Lauderdale because they can’t afford to live here, that’s when [people] realize there’s a problem,’ Henn said.”
Not true. As long as the right people are getting or staying rich, there’s never a problem that anyone with influence in this culture cares to address.
Palmetto, if you’re out there, how are you handling the effects of the convention on our fair city? As of today, the amount of disruption has been minimal. I’m a little surprised.
“Palmetto, if you’re out there, how are you handling the effects of the convention on our fair city?”
Snake charmer, I am holed up here in South Hillsborough, and have thus far been able to avoid the effects of the convention, fortunately. I also have been able to pretty much avoid the entertainment reporting on it, as well. The only way I found out about the Ron Paul debacle was through a Google news aggregator headline, which led me to the HuffPo report. If you read any of my posts yesterday, you know that pretty well raised my blood pressure to a dangerous level.
It does seem to have been a fairly calm event, considering everything. It seems the city and county did a good job of prepping for the event and the storm did us a favor by dampening the opening day fervor, so to speak. Barring any unusual events, I think we may well get out of this relatively unscathed.
Having said all that, I have a feeling the event will be a net economic loss for the area, as events of this nature usually are. From what little reportage I’ve caught, I think the area has been portrayed in a more or less positive light, so far.
And I have to say, I’ve lived in three metro areas of Florida and the Tampa Bay area is by far the mellowest, with the most gracious inhabitants, in my experience. In general much of the area is rather ugly, yes, and we definitely have crime and congestion, but it does have some livable pockets and even when I travel just south of Hillsborough County, I seem to immediately encounter edginess and hostility in Sarasota and Manatee Counties. I don’t know why that is, but it seems to me that things in this area are just generally better run than in other parts of Florida.
I have avoided all coverage, just as I will avoid all coverage of the Democratic Party convention in Charlotte. I agree with you on the net loss. Simply because the item was covered amply in local and national media, I’d be interested to know whether our area nude establishments recouped their investments, some of which were substantial. One even brought in a pornographic actress who portrayed “Serra Paylin” in an adult film.
I have avoided all coverage, just as I will avoid all coverage of the Democratic Party convention in Charlotte.
And here I thought I was the only one.
“Do people really talk like this in Florida?”
Yeeeeeeeeeeeuuuuup.
lmao…. good stuff Jonesy.
Connerton. Lol. What a pathetic end to a pathetic idea.
I remember reading all the PR about Connerton. It was going to be “America’s Hometown”!
Hmmm, wait a minute…
Florida is so littered with these it’s not funny. Keep in mind though, this is not new in the least bit.
Viking in Okeechobee County.
Indian Lake Estates (sans the gated part).
Dozens of subdivisions that got as far as the roads.
Wasn’t the ideal town supposed to be Celebration? And there was another one…what was the name..
Celebration isn’t actually all that bad in terms of layout, but holy hell, people actually dress like Disney characters and have vanity plates that say things like, “SLPNBTY.”
LOL on the license plate. I should start writing down the better ones that I see on the roads here.
I don’t get adults who partake in the whole Disney thing. I have run in one of the Disney distance races and I was a little creeped out by people dressing as characters. When you approach Orlando on eastbound I-4, there is an electricity tower deliberately shaped to have Mickey Mouse ears at the top. That creeps me out too. Maybe I’m just too sensitive.
If you’re too sensitive, so am I. It sort of represents to me the infantilization of society, which is not a charming thing, IMO.
Also I read an article a few years ago about how Disney is sort of a mecca for pervs of the kiddie-porn variety. Now that REALLY creeped me out. The author was watching the pervs watching the kids. And he mentioned that parents at Disney are really on edge about it, to the point that he was glared at by the parents of a kid who tripped and fell down in front of him, when he helped the kid to his feet.
Not a healthy environment.
I live about 2 hours from Disney. If I never go again it will be too soon. It totally creeps me out, way too many kids in one place, and, the “Peter Pan” adults running around.
I dated a girl once who told me her favorite place to go on vacation was Disney. I should have just cut my losses right there.
If you’re an adult and you “love Disney” you need to have your head examined. That’s like saying “I love the bouncy house at MCD” when you’re a 45 year old man. It’s just not a rational thing to say.
Drug addiction/danger chart..
http://www.rave.ca/fr/gallery_image/all/283009/
As you can see, our legal drugs outstrip most of the illegals handily on this chart.
Also, this chart is a little screwy, heroin (all opiates, actually) have very low physical harm unless you OD and die. Just like people can be on opiate painkillers and live a relatively normal life, so do many heroin users. The problem comes when they get a “hot” batch and OD, another direct result of the ongoing drug war.
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/heroin-abuse-addiction/what-are-long-term-effects-heroin-use
Oops, please disregard (or remove) my post above, somehow wound up in the wrong thread. Sorry!
“And there was another one…what was the name..”
Reunion?
At one point during the bubble there were three new malls planned for south-central Pasco County, complete with churches, adjacent nature walks, the whole nine yards. I don’t think any of them ever were built, because not enough people were actually living in the subdivisions being constructed.
The community image being sold in a place like Connerton bears little to no resemblance to the incredibly stifling and alienating reality that exists in a suburban wasteland like that, or would exist if it were completed.
Well they could wait for affordable housing here so they built a lot of projects..now it seems like the entire country is sending us their rejects with Section 8 vouchers.
“She says home prices are rising in many markets even with 33-percent drop in homes up for sale in July from a year ago.”
What I see in both U.S. stocks and housing is rising prices at a declining rate of increase on rapidly shrinking volume — the precursor of a price collapse.
“a good indicator that smart investors are moving in and scooping up steals”
I love these quotes…get out there and scoop up all of those steals!!!! You hear that HDR?
Wouldn’t you like to know what the dumb investors are doing? I sure would.
I think it’s safe to say that they’re scooping up the leftovers…
“When South Florida’s housing bubble burst and home prices plummeted, they never fell far enough to make rents or single-family homes affordable for the average family. The median home price in Broward County last year was still $47,611 more than the median household could afford, according to an assessment performed by Florida International University’s Metropolitan Center. The gap was $47,263 in Palm Beach County and $60,243 in Miami-Dade County, the report said.”
Can you comprehend this information all of you shills out there in HBB land? I’m sorry I read this so late in the evening.