September 12, 2012

Equity And Truth

A report from the Tennessean. “Williamson County is known for its expensive housing stock, yet new homes coming onto the market are still smaller and cheaper than they were five years ago. In some cases, a developer would file for bankruptcy and when its developing neighborhood was later bought out of foreclosure by another developer, the new developer would often choose to build significantly smaller, less-expensive homes on the remaining lots, a trend seen all over the country.”

“In the New Urbanist community Tollgate Village in Thompson’s Station, the original developer, Tollgate Farms LLC, defaulted on its loans after federal regulators shut down its bank in 2009. Homebuilder Dock Street Communities bought 450 undeveloped lots in Tollgate in spring 2011. Dock Street has built a variety of significantly smaller homes starting at $190,000. Much larger homes under the previous builder generally sold for $400,000 to $500,000 and as high as $900,000.”

“‘I think a lot of Americans realized what got us into this mess was overextending. They realize that they just don’t need a five-bedroom home for a family of four,’ said Judy Inman, an onsite sales representative at Tollgate.”

The Sun News on South Carolina. “Area real estate sales agent Kevin Mayberry pleaded guilty last week in federal court to a mortgage fraud charge, joining nearly two dozen area buyers, sellers, brokers and others who either have admitted their roles or been found guilty in widespread fraud schemes that helped to hasten the Grand Strand’s real estate crash.”

“Ford Shelley, the developer of Pineapple Bay, previously pleaded guilty to one felony charge of mail fraud and is facing a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. On Friday he filed an objection to a pre-sentence report. Shelley said in the objection that GMAC bank — which claims to have lost $873,536 on mortgage loans at Pineapple Bay — actually didn’t lose any money because the bank immediately packaged the mortgages into securities and sold them at a profit to investors. When the loans went bad, Shelley said, GMAC then foreclosed on the properties and re-sold them, keeping that money as well.”

“Shelley also said that GMAC ‘knowingly abandoned all underwriting standards and made bad loans without verifying income or assets and with knowledge the borrowers could not repay the loans.’ ‘GMAC knew the buyers falsified their loan applications,’ Shelley said in court documents.”

The Virginia Gazette. “A foreclosure auction on supervisor Mary Jones’ home has been rescheduled for later this month, an auctioneer said Tuesday. The foreclosure auction was set to satisfy a 2007 deed of trust for $342,400, according to legal advertisements. County property records show the two-story, 3,300-square-foot home is assessed at $326,300, down a bit in the last reassessment cycle. The Jones family bought the home for $428,000 in October 2007.”

“Jones has refused to comment, last addressing the troubles in a Gazette essay more than a year ago. She summed up the situation as ’simply a failure to see the massive economic dislocation that was coming our way, and respond to it in a timely fashion.’”

The Baltimore Sun in Maryland. “Throughout Maryland, finished home lots are becoming few and far between. Rachel and Josh Jennings, who are expecting to move into a new M/I townhouse at the Pointe in the next few months, said they did not have difficulty finding new homes near Fort Meade — so long as they were willing to pay well over the amount they originally expected to spend. When they started the homebuying process this summer after moving to Maryland from Florida, they were willing to spend as much as $275,000.”

“But the couple, both 29, had trouble finding a home, new or pre-owned, for that price. They looked at about a dozen new-home developments and as many existing homes during their two-week search, they said. In the end, they settled on a 2,300-square-foot end unit at the Pointe for close to $414,000. ‘It was worth the extra money to get this close to the base,’ Josh Jennings said.”

The Herald Mail in Maryland. “It pains Henry Stiles to look a few hundred yards down Reno Monument Road and watch the deterioration of the historic farmhouse where he was raised. The overgrown yard and wild-weed fields around it have alarmed neighbors for nearly two years. Sheri Anne Stewart, who bought the old house, barn, outbuildings and their 8.63-acre site a few rural miles south of Boonsboro in 2007, moved out in 2010 after she stopped paying on the mortgage.”

“Now, nearly two years after Stewart won U.S. Bankruptcy Court protection from paying off the nearly $400,000 in loans she had on the property, Washington County Circuit Court records show that lender Bank of America still hasn’t pursued the foreclosure needed to sell the property.”

“Now, nearly two years after she moved out of the 20725 Reno Monument house, Sheri Stewart is still devastated by the loss of her hopes for the property. The plan began to fall apart soon after she paid $399,000 for the Reno Monument property in March 2007. To help finance the deal, Stewart obtained $319,200 in a 30-year mortgage from a Frederick, Md., lender, plus a home equity line of credit from the same lender for up to $59,850, according to Washington County deed records.”

“The remaining keys to her attaining her dream included being able to quickly sell her Sharpsburg property, cashing in on the nation’s rapid rise in real estate prices in the early and mid-2000s. ‘Everybody was selling theirs and making tons of money,’ Stewart recalled. ‘Everybody was telling me, ‘I sold my house for like twice, three times what they’d paid.’”

“So when Stewart put he house and shop in Sharpsburg up for sale, she asked nearly triple the $99,000 she’d paid. ‘All the houses had been going for crazy amounts of money. Crazy!’ Stewart said. ‘Then, all of a sudden, I bought that (Reno Monument) place and prices went down. And, eight months this (Sharpsburg) place was for sale and nobody looked at it. Eight months! So then, we dropped it down to like $230 (thousand) and still, nobody looked at it. And then, we tried to rent it — and went for months with no one. … At this point, it’s worth like nothing!’ she said.”

“Stewart said she has mixed feelings about what’s happened with the property and her debts. ‘I think I was stupid and I just didn’t know what I was getting myself in to. In my mind, I was going to be rich. These houses were selling for so much. I really thought it would work.’”

The News & Observer in North Carolina. “After watching property values steadily rise for decades, officials in places such as Orange and Chatham counties suddenly faced the prospect of conducting revaluations that would significantly reduce their property tax base. If the revaluations were completed on schedule, these counties likely would be forced to raise the tax rate in a dismal economy just to bring in the same amount of revenue as before. ‘How do you explain to the public we’re lowering your (property) value but raising your tax rates?’ said Frank Clifton, Orange County’s manager, summing up the tricky political problem revaluations now pose. ”

“For counties that experienced large amounts of speculative building and conducted revaluations at or near the peak of the market, the decline in real estate values posed a number of challenges. During the boom years, new high-end homes experienced the greatest appreciation in value. But since the bubble burst, many of those same homes are depreciating much faster than other sectors of the market.”

“In counties that assessed property at the peak of the market, the listed tax value has now come to mean different things to different people. Owners having trouble coming to grips with the market correction often cite it as proof that their property has not lost value. Savvy investors and other buyers, meanwhile, now use the figure as a signpost to gauge how much a property has been discounted since the peak of the market.”

“‘It’s all about equity and truth,’ said Gary Phillips, owner of Weaver Street Realty in Carrboro and a former Chatham County commissioner. ‘Once you make that commitment to do them every four years, they ought to be done every four years because the entire community needs to know what that snapshot looks like.’”

The Charlotte Observer in North Carolina. “With North Carolina’s economy expected to continue to slow through the end of the year, UNC Charlotte professor John Connaughton said that it’s time for more discussion about jobs in the state. The state’s unemployment remains stubbornly above the national rate, and some months North Carolina is still losing jobs.”

“The finance, insurance and real estate sector — which makes up about a fifth of the state’s economy — is expected to have a strong year, but construction and manufacturing are still leaving gaping holes. Speaking with the Observer, Connaughton said North Carolina will likely need a resurgence in manufacturing and construction to fully heal. ‘This state had been looked at as an economic miracle,’ he said. ‘We’re not only not that anymore, we’re on the whole other side.’”




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Comment by Truth
2012-09-12 05:19:05

“So when Stewart put he house and shop in Sharpsburg up for sale, she asked nearly triple the $99,000 she’d paid. ‘All the houses had been going for crazy amounts of money. Crazy!’ Stewart said. ‘Then, all of a sudden, I bought that (Reno Monument) place and prices went down. And, eight months this (Sharpsburg) place was for sale and nobody looked at it. Eight months! So then, we dropped it down to like $230 (thousand) and still, nobody looked at it. And then, we tried to rent it — and went for months with no one. … At this point, it’s worth like nothing!’ she said.”

Poor thing… boo hoo for another victim. Yet her arrogance would be over the top if she were able to pull off this Great Housing Fraud era scam.

She’s right on one thing though. Houses eventually are worth nothing.

Comment by Dave
2012-09-12 21:49:43

I can’t be the only one wanting to skull-frack everyone involved in this mess.

Can I?

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-12 05:33:34

“On Friday he filed an objection to a pre-sentence report. Shelley said in the objection that GMAC bank — which claims to have lost $873,536 on mortgage loans at Pineapple Bay — actually didn’t lose any money because the bank immediately packaged the mortgages into securities and sold them at a profit to investors. When the loans went bad, Shelley said, GMAC then foreclosed on the properties and re-sold them, keeping that money as well.”

Sounds like GMAC figured out how to turn rotten pineapple into pineapple upside-down cake…

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-09-12 09:25:39

Sounds more like they are guilty of theft from their “investors” who bought the securities that were supposedly supported by the Mortgage papers. If there was any money from the foreclosures, then the investors should have been paid.
But again, Obama’s Attorney General, an EEOC appointee whose only goal is to sue profitable companies has taken NO ACTION against mortgage and Bankster frauds. It’s amazing.
And all the Obama supporters blame the Republicans for the financial fraud, after 4 years of doing nothing to try and contain it.
It’s the most criminal administration I have witnessed in my lifetime.
But the Receivers of “benefits” and “entitlements” will all vote for him.

I still remember the BP disaster. Obama didn’t send Coast Guard ships and Navy boats and coordinate with other operators to STOP THE SPILL. No. He sent, that’s right, the ATTORNEY GENERAL, ERIC HOLDER, to see who he could sue for an accident. After all, BP had a lot of money to fleece. There was never any concern about getting the situation under control and stopping the disaster, the entire concern was how much money they might be able to get from BP.
Now, that’s Law Enforcement.

Comment by Steve J
2012-09-12 12:14:48

They were there.

I remember video of the Coast Guard ordering camera crews to stop filming clean up efforts.

 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-09-12 05:33:46

From the original post:

“‘I think a lot of Americans realized what got us into this mess was overextending. They realize that they just don’t need a five-bedroom home for a family of four,’ said Judy Inman, an onsite sales representative at Tollgate.”

To which I say:

Yeah, Judy. A lot of Americans just up and decided to overextend themselves. No crazy lending at all. And no securitization behind that crazing lending.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-12 06:05:01

The comment about the five-bedroom house for a family of four reminded me of all the American households (including those of some close friends and relatives) who bought more than one single-family home as investments. Got extra bedrooms?

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-09-12 08:40:42

I originally hoped that they had learned their lesson. Now I’m thinking they just jumped at the chance to buy the cheapest house in an expensive subdivision so they could get some outsized gains when housing inevitably went to the moon again.

 
Comment by oxide
2012-09-12 09:04:18

Don’t forget the homebuilders trying to maximize profit by providing only large houses. Those 4-5 bedroom McMansions that Americans “chose” were the only SFH offered. Anything smaller is attached product. Even then builders are making larger and larger rowhouses. Witness that young couple near Ft. Meade. Their $414K house is an end unit rowhouse.

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-09-12 09:35:47

Don’t even try to blame the builders. They are just supplying the market. If they couldn’t sell Huge McMansions, they would not have been building them. When the FED starts a mania with cheap money and the Congress aides and abets with lending rules for the undeserving, then the “MARKET” has been manipulated to support a BIG house buying craze.
I have one next door to my latest house in Clearwater. It was built on the other half of the original lot that my house sits on, after this house was flipped and the vacant lot put up for sale. It is about 2 and 1/2 times this house and takes up most of the lot.

The family that “bought” it, has been renting rooms since I moved into this place. Last month, that family moved out and rented the entire house to another family.
I suspect that means that a foreclosure is finally moving to it’s final stages, where the “owner” who has been living for “free” for 2 or 3 years has been given notice the bank is going bring in the Sheriff.
I’ll let you know if the new family suddenly has moving vans and deputies cars parked out front.

And no, this wasn’t a “spec” house. The owner wanted a BIG HOUSE. It was going to worth a million dollars in just a couple years when the rest of New York and New Jersey moved to Florida.

Comment by oxide
2012-09-12 15:54:44

You make a good point, but I can’t entirely agree. Yes, some Americans responded to the easy credit by thinking that they “deserved” a big house. So the builders responded by locking out the smaller houses.* So other Americans, who may have wanted a smaller house, didn’t have that option.

It reminds me of the SUV craze, when Americans convinced themselves they all needed behomoth trucks, so GM let their smaller lines go to pot. Luckily, other countries retained their smaller cars. So folks like me still had an option.

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* limiting the argument to new SFH.

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Comment by SF Bay Area
2012-09-12 05:34:12

I’ve only been back on the forum a couple of days now after many years away and I have to say I’ve read some very interesting comments and analysis here. I’m always looking for something thought provoking. Thanks for all the responses to my comments.

I was getting a little exasperated though because I would post something and get a response and then I would try to respond to the response but my response wouldn’t post for what seemed like several hours and by then the topic had died and I couldn’t get the feeling of depth I was looking for. So I just gave up by mid-day.

Does the Housing Bubble Server need another stick of RAM or something? Is this just the hardware not being able to keep up? Does this always happen or was yesterday just an anomaly?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-12 06:06:15

I believe the moderator runs a business on the side of reading your posts…

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-09-12 06:07:48

I think this board is getting a lot of traffic. Again. So, keep that in mind while waiting for your stirring prose to show up here.

Comment by Ben Jones
2012-09-12 07:05:53

I can give you a quick run down on how moderation works. The software that runs this blog is free. That means there is no manual or person to ask about why stuff functions the way it does. I do know that a long post goes into moderation, as does one with a link. And for some reason, certain posters always are moderated. If you use a curse word or slur, or a word that looks like one, it will go into moderation.

From there I have to look at it and approve or delete it. Yesterday I was driving most of the day, so using a wireless device, I am trying to scan posts and approve them going 70 miles per hour in the rain. Then there are areas where I have no cell coverage. There’s battery life. And I have to do my work, which also extends moderation delays.

On Monday, this blog was taken offline for a while because the domain name server got hacked, along with several thousand other sites. We used to have DOS hacking a lot, but put in the 60 second requirement for multiple posts and it took care of that. All in all, I do what I can. If you want to avoid delays, make it short, don’t post a link and don’t use bad language.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-12 08:08:39

Here is a short, honest post: Ben, you are amazing.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-09-12 09:27:44

Seconded. And watch that 70 mph moderating, Ben. We want you to stick around for a while, mmm-kay?

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-09-12 08:18:18

Ben …

Don’t moderate and drive … we’d hate to lose you.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2012-09-12 08:41:48

Then the delays would be really long. I’m careful about it. I can only scan the posts though. That’s why sometimes an offensive post gets by me.

 
Comment by oxide
2012-09-12 09:24:32

Seconded. Please do not read and drive. Whatever it is, it can wait. Or, if the poster feels it can’t wait, they can post a mini non-offensive summary, and post the link in a separate post.

 
Comment by Dave
2012-09-12 21:56:18

Well, by all means then. Let us know when you’re traveling. I may take that moment to let people how much I enjoy them dragging politics in here.

Jack of all trades kind of sucks after a couple years, don’t it?

;)

 
 
Comment by San Diego Re Bear
2012-09-12 09:53:32

“Yesterday I was driving most of the day, so using a wireless device, I am trying to scan posts and approve them going 70 miles per hour in the rain.”

I think all of us would prefer to wait for our posts to show rather than you taking a chance on getting hurt or worse!

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Comment by Steve J
2012-09-12 12:16:43

GoDaddy now says they were not hacked, but were merely incompetent.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-09-12 12:34:29

Link, por favor…

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2012-09-12 14:07:03

I listened to a message from Anonymous saying why they had hacked them. Something about wikileaks.

 
Comment by oxide
2012-09-12 15:59:39

“merely incompetent”

Then they should be thanking Anonymous for exposing their weaknesses…

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-12 05:38:11

“Shelley also said that GMAC ‘knowingly abandoned all underwriting standards and made bad loans without verifying income or assets and with knowledge the borrowers could not repay the loans.’ ‘GMAC knew the buyers falsified their loan applications,’ Shelley said in court documents.”

Didn’t subprime lending basically end back in 2007? For how many more years to come will the pernicious fallout keep showing up in the MSM?

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-12 05:57:19

“So when Stewart put he house and shop in Sharpsburg up for sale, she asked nearly triple the $99,000 she’d paid. ‘All the houses had been going for crazy amounts of money. Crazy!’ Stewart said. ‘Then, all of a sudden, I bought that (Reno Monument) place and prices went down. And, eight months this (Sharpsburg) place was for sale and nobody looked at it. Eight months! So then, we dropped it down to like $230 (thousand) and still, nobody looked at it. And then, we tried to rent it — and went for months with no one. … At this point, it’s worth like nothing!’ she said.”

Another bubble-fueled vision of riches goes POOF!

 
Comment by Montana
2012-09-12 06:02:39

‘I sold my house for like twice, three times what they’d paid.’”

Like wow.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-09-12 06:16:45

“North Carolina will likely need a resurgence in manufacturing and construction to fully heal”

Most people think that healing means going back to the way things were just a few years ago, with an economy based on buying things that one couldn’t afford, building things that noone really needed, selling those back and forth and charging interest on the whole. Revolutions replace old ways with something new and more viable. Now we have the old unsustainable ways just crumbling under their own weight, with nothing new in view to replace them, and people thinking that this is simply impossible.

Long way to go.

Comment by oc-ed
2012-09-12 06:39:44

There is a book about scientific revolutions that discusses how an incumbent paradigm is replaced by a new paradigm that has relevance here.

http://www.amazon.com/Structure-Scientific-Revolutions-Thomas-Kuhn/dp/0226458083

The author asserts that an old paradigm will not fall until a new paradigm rises that can take the old one’s place.

TPTB have been working overtime to prop up the old one for the last 4 years with the hope that it will rise from the ashes and re-spark the economy. Seeing developers build smaller, which folks on the HBB predicted years ago, is a good sign of a potential new paradigm. Just do not pin any hopes whatsoever on our government to actually lead by embracing a new housing perspective.

Comment by salinasron
2012-09-12 09:29:16

“The author asserts that an old paradigm will not fall until a new paradigm rises that can take the old one’s place.”

The new paradigm has been ‘easy money’ feed by greed and the need for labels as a sign of success. Gold mania, stock .com mania, housing /financial mania can only resurrected by another mania or a world wide financial collapse.

Comment by Carl Morris
2012-09-12 09:42:58

I thought they were saying that the new paradigm you mention has now become the old paradigm but nothing is ready to replace it yet.

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Comment by snake charmer
2012-09-12 07:31:08

Excellent synopsis. One commentator I read a lot has said that we reached a turning point, but didn’t turn.

Comment by Josap
2012-09-12 08:15:40

Agree, the turning point has been fought tooth and nail. The fight to not change is still ongoing. People hate change. People hate to go (as they see it) backwards. So the adjustment is slow, which in someways is a good thing,

Once most people sell / short sell / foreclose out of the houses they can’t afford into housing that makes sense the adjustment period will be over. Many have to learn to live on a lower income, or within the income they have.

From the 80s onward people were taught they had to have debt and a credit score, they had to “move up”. The banks benefited. Only the older boomers remember a time of few credit cards, saving for a sizable downpayment.Having a budget and staying in the budget. 30 years to unlearn for some, many only know the credit - more debt life style.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-12 08:10:20

“Now we have the old unsustainable ways just crumbling under their own weight, with nothing new in view to replace them, and people thinking that this is simply impossible.”

You forgot to mention the ongoing efforts to prop up the collapsing structure. Will those hold up over time, or not?

Comment by oc-ed
2012-09-12 08:20:06

I have been surprised at how long the propping up has lasted. I did not expect it to have the legs it has nor did I anticipate how that side would move heaven and earth to keep it from failing. I think the nature of how entwined mortgage finance is with global finance is the primary reason. It is one leg of the structure and failure in that leg may mean a complete collapse. At least to those who are propping it all up.

 
Comment by Josap
2012-09-12 08:23:32

efforts to prop up the collapsing structure

Without stable, secure good jobs the debt structure will collapse. As daily basic costs rise, less is left to service debt.

The economy was built on spending future increasing income.

 
 
Comment by Darrell in Phoenix
2012-09-12 08:32:51

Trade imbalances….

That is the underlying paradigm that is broken, and no one want’s to contemplate what a new paradigm would look like.

Comment by oxide
2012-09-12 09:30:14

Agree. Imbalances = offshoring ==> no career jobs.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-09-12 11:30:00

Debt junkies, that’s the problem.

Comment by Darrell in Phoenix
2012-09-12 14:07:42

Debt creates money, and the money goes…. where?

Which came first? Free trade and flatter taxes created trade imbalances, or the exploding debt?

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Comment by Darryl Is A Liar
2012-09-12 15:33:55

Saying debt creates money is like saying Darryl creates truth.

Seriously….. why do you lie so?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Patrick
2012-09-12 08:25:16

SF

“Europeans of North America - especially those from the East -”
Rather nice statement.

“I don’t think any Canadian has moved in next door and the neighbors go “There goes the neighborhood.”
Even better statement.

“Actually we are planning to take over Canada and make it the 51st state - we just don’t tell you. Just joking around”
Collosal state of Canada would offend the big state of Texas.

The problem with being taken over is we wouldn’t have a “patsy” hockey opponent anymore !

Comment by Ben Jones
2012-09-12 08:48:59

‘Actually we are planning to take over Canada and make it the 51st state’

We tried that already:

‘The primary goals of the War of 1812 were conquering Florida, at the time native American territory, and Canada, then British territory. Although the U.S. ostensibly went to war over maritime issues, John Randolph of Virginia noted, “Agrarian cupidity, not maritime rights, urges this war. Ever since the report of the Committee on Foreign Relations came into the House, we have heard but one eternal monotonous tone - Canada! Canada! Canada!’

‘U.S. leaders were confident of easily taking over our neighbor to the north. William Eustis, the U.S. Secretary for War declared: “We can take the Canadas without soldiers, we have only to send officers into the province and the people . . . will rally round our standard.” John C. Calhoun claimed that “In four weeks from the time that a declaration of war is heard on our frontier, the whole of Canada will be in our possession.” James Madison similarly proclaimed that “[t]he acquisition of Canada this year will be a mere matter of marching,” and Henry Clay boasted, “I trust I shall not be deemed presumptuous when I state that I verily believe that the militia of Kentucky are alone competent to place Montreal and Upper Canada at your feet.”

http://www.lutins.org/1812.html

Comment by Patrick
2012-09-12 10:43:21

Ben

Interesting. I didn’t know the above.

Did you know that it was the English regulars who burnt the whitehouse, not Canadians?

Did you know where WestPoint got it’s gray uniform from? The battle of Chipewa Creek, just above Niagara Falls - Ontario. (It was the only uniform available for the imprested cadets immediately prior to battle). You guys won that one.

But when the real battle occurred - on Canadian soil - at Queenston, Ontario it was the Canadian Colonials who turned the day and won ! Probably with hockey sticks.

BTW, I used to dive into the Niagara River within a few hundred yards of the falls precipes and get swept into the Chipewa Creek (now a hydro canal) and would swoop over an array of muskets, cannon balls, etc left over from that battle. Pretty stupid dive now that I think of it.

 
Comment by Patrick
2012-09-12 11:07:04

Ben

Just read your link. Darn it ! Florida was British back then !

Could that mean a Florida winter home would be cheaper today if - - ?

SF - get your hockey sticks up. We “stand on guard”. “Oh say can you see” it - one side with hockey sticks, the other with footballs?

I would have said baseball bats, but we won that too!

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-09-12 12:58:00

Here all this time I’d always though 1812 was us defending ourselves against a last attempt by the British to bring us back under their control.

 
 
 
Comment by jbunniii
2012-09-12 08:33:29

“After watching property values steadily rise for decades, officials in places such as Orange and Chatham counties suddenly faced the prospect of conducting revaluations that would significantly reduce their property tax base. If the revaluations were completed on schedule, these counties likely would be forced to raise the tax rate in a dismal economy just to bring in the same amount of revenue as before.

Because it’s too much to ask that local governments should have to adjust to reality like everyone else has had to do. Dial back spending to pre-bubble levels, and there should be no need for any tax increases.

Comment by oc-ed
2012-09-12 09:05:43

It makes a huge difference when it is your own money rather than taxpayers money. Throw in the whole angering voting blocks with budget cuts and you have an untenable system.

The very first thing I did when I was laid off this past March was the scrub the living daylights out of my budget paring it down to only the “MUST HAVE” basics. And now that I am back to work (huge grinning oc-ed) I have allowed myself some spending to pay for those things I needed and put off like new tires, but I am seriously holding the line so I can rebuild saving that helped me during the lay off period.

Government initiates new services of expands existing services not out of a desire to better serve the citizens as a whole, but more likely to garner more votes from the block of citizens that directly benefit from the service or enhancement. And the politicians whose names are associated with that spending get the votes and probably much more. It’s broken and corrupt and the only answer is to somehow disassociate votes with spending. Perhaps make all regulation or spending anonymous, nope, too easy to “leak” who done what. Can the populace review and have a line item veto on a budget? Tyranny of the masses that one …. dang this is a tough one.

 
Comment by Steve J
2012-09-12 09:14:12

Well you can’t get rid of the policemen or firemen you hired. Or thier fancy expensive vehicles.

And that mortgage on that new city hall still needs to be paid.

 
Comment by Josap
2012-09-12 09:44:25

My property taxes doubled, without an increase in value.
School bonds and city levies increased.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-09-12 12:44:18

You guys really need TABOR:

from wikipedia:

“The most well-known example of TABOR legislation is in the state of Colorado.[1] In 1992, the voters of the state approved a measure which amended Article X of the Colorado Constitution that restricts revenues for all levels of government (state, local, and schools).[2] Under TABOR, state and local governments cannot raise tax rates without voter approval and cannot spend revenues collected under existing tax rates if revenues grow faster than the rate of inflation and population growth, without voter approval.[2] Revenue in excess of the TABOR limit, commonly referred to as the “TABOR surplus,” must be refunded to taxpayers, unless voters approve a revenue change as an offset in a referendum.[3] Under TABOR, the state has returned more than $2 billion to taxpayers.[2]“

Comment by Darrell in Phoenix
2012-09-12 14:12:49

TABOR also prevent government from moving money from pot to pot, so they couldn’t move all the school, police and fire money to constructing some baseball stadium near where their friend owns a bunch of land, then whining for more money for schools, police and fire.

It is amazing how little politicians have to argue about when they can’t raise taxes, raise or lower spending, or move money into their pet projects.

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Comment by salinasron
2012-09-12 09:14:08

” The plan began to fall apart soon after she paid $399,000 for the Reno Monument property in March 2007. To help finance the deal, Stewart obtained $319,200 in a 30-year mortgage from a Frederick, Md., lender, plus a home equity line of credit from the same lender for up to $59,850, according to Washington County deed records.”

The problem with this reporting is that ‘She Didn’t Pay’, what she did was sign a promissory note that she would pay. There is a real disconnect here between buying and owning vs renting from a financial institution (i.e. mortgage).

 
Comment by salinasron
2012-09-12 09:22:56

” In the end, they settled on a 2,300-square-foot end unit at the Pointe for close to $414,000. ‘It was worth the extra money to get this close to the base,’ Josh Jennings said.”

Are these people in the military? In this economy why would you over extend unless you had a big savings, large down payment and steady job that if you lost you wouldn’t have to move and sell. I don’t know what RE fees are back there but here in CA it’s 5%-6%. Yes the seller’s pay but here’s the rub for these idiots: if you have to sell and can even get what you paid for the property you are down 5%-6% of $414K ($20.7K- $24.8K) as you are the new seller.

Comment by Josap
2012-09-12 09:57:04

My thinking is if you aren’t staying in the house for 10 years, don’t buy. Although many made out well in the past by buying and then renting when transfered, I don’t think it works out well now.

Comment by Truth
2012-09-12 11:07:29

“if you aren’t staying in the house for 10 years”

WTF does that have to do with overpaying by 150% for shelter?

 
 
 
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