September 18, 2012

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Comment by frankie
2012-09-18 00:26:34

Debt crisis: politicians drive bank union but markets focus on Spain
Spanish borrowing costs rose above 6pc again as a continued stand-off between Madrid and Brussels fuelled fears that the European Central Bank’s bond buying programme pledge is not enough to stabilise the eurozone.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9549245/Debt-crisis-politicians-drive-bank-union-but-markets-focus-on-Spain.html

Groundhog day again :(

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 00:41:44

Divergence:

Pres12_WTA
2012 US Presidential Election Winner Takes All Market

But not to worry, Romney fans, as our own Polly has assured us that this graph has nothing to do with the election outcome.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-09-18 06:15:11

Casino odds continue to diverge too. Those darn, heavy gambling kids who live in their parents basements!

Romney 13 to 5 (bet $5 to win $13)
Obama 2 to 7 (bet 7 to win 2)
Johnson 500 to 1

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 06:30:13

“Romney 13 to 5″

Getting perilously close to 3:1…

 
Comment by Steve W
2012-09-18 07:05:06

I put Johnson’s odds at a googolplex to one.

Comment by michael
2012-09-18 10:00:38

i vegas did that…johnson could use his future winnings to finance the largest presidential campaign in history.

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Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-09-18 07:06:18

I think it is pretty desperate when you try to ignore a poll like Rasmussen which has a history of being the most accurate because it has Romney up. This is a very close election and will go down to the wire. The odds are just nonsense and show that the people betting know nothing about how elections work.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-09-18 07:11:02

Then why don’t the people who ‘know how elections work’ step in and make a killing at the casinos?

Maybe these gamblers are smart enough to follow the expected electoral college results? It sure would explain their behavior.

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Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-09-18 07:35:06

The electoral college favors republicans just ask Gore. Rasmussen has the swing states favoring Romney. One major bettor such as George Soros could totally distort the bets. Since the democrats and their friends in the press seem to be making such a big deal over this, I wonder if something like that is occurring.

We would not have QEIII unless the Fed saw a lot of bad economic numbers coming out, that is not going to be helpful to the campaign.

Finally, instead of the horse race lets focus on Obama’s record. Unemployment high, slow growth record deficits, and as many soldiers dying in Afghanistan as were dying in Iraq and Afghanistan combined after the surge, hated just as much in the Islamic world, this calls for re-election?

 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-09-18 07:45:33

BTW, Rasmussen and the swing state polls:

In the 11 swing states, Mitt Romney earns 47% of the vote and the president is supported by 46%. Three percent (3%) are not sure, and four percent (4%) are undecided.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-09-18 07:58:15

Are you aware that of the top 11 political polls, ONLY Rasmussen has Mitt ahead?

The 10 others all have Obama ahead, by an average of 3%.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Maybe that explains the odds.

 
Comment by scdave
2012-09-18 07:59:40

and as many soldiers dying in Afghanistan as were dying in Iraq and Afghanistan combined ??

They would not be dying at all if it were not for Bush, so you go right ahead and blame the Janitor…

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 08:21:46

lets focus on Obama’s record.

From someone on another blog:
(Obama) stopped the slide into a depression, saved the US auto industry which saved about 1.4 million jobs in auto and ancillary businesses, stimulus saved or created 2.6-3.2 million jobs, killed OBL & most of Al Queda, got consumer protection agency started to oversee cc companies & lending, passed Lilly Ledbetter to protect fair pay for women, got us out of that oil war in Iraqs …. got healthcare for those who couldn’t afford/get it due to pre-existing condition, caps, children, etc., if repealed it would add 108 billion to deficit, got fuel economy increases through, and proposed plan to cut deficit & increase revenue which Tea Party rejected. Considering he followed the worst president in US history I think he’s done OK.

 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-09-18 08:28:33

Are you aware that of the top 11 political polls, ONLY Rasmussen has Mitt ahead?

Most of them have the election close and none have them have a better accuracy record than Rasmussen. Remember also undecided tend to break to the challenger

 
Comment by butters
2012-09-18 08:31:13

Are you aware that of the top 11 political polls, ONLY Rasmussen has Mitt ahead?

What’s their track records? What are they polling; adults, registered or likely? What does the sampling look like? You know you can poll 15% more democrats and have a completely different result, right?

It’s very possible Rasmussen and Gallup are wrong and all other “media” polls are right. My money is on Rasmussen and Gallup because they have consistently shown a tight race and fluctuate less on day-to-day basis unlike other polls.

More than polls I trust my own eyes. A couple of anecdotes:

1. I live in a “swing” state which Obama won handily. Judging by the TV commercials Obama isn’t doing that good. He also had a commercial saying that under Romney MID is going to be cut. I am just too lazy to fact check but somehow I doubt that’s the truth. Doesn’t look good for Obama Nationwide if he loses this state. The state is very centrist.
2. My friends who voted for Obama are not voting for him again. If you can’t get these college educated white people in their 30’s who mostly have an urban lifestyle to vote for you, not sure how many additional latinos and worse dead voters are you going to need?
3. Bumper stickers - In my nabe four years ago, Obama supporters proudly decorated their cars and houses with Obama signage, I see none whatsoever this year. That’s not a good sign of a “winning” candidate.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-09-18 09:15:10

What’s their track records? What are they polling; adults, registered or likely? What does the sampling look like?

Click the link I provided and find out for yourself. The polls are done by Fox, CNN, ABC, NBC, Reuters, etc. I find it hard to believe they’re all slanting their polls towards Obama.

But there is this:

TIME has described Rasmussen Reports as a “conservative-leaning polling group”.[68] According to Charles Franklin, a University of Wisconsin political scientist who co-developed Pollster.com,[69] “He [Rasmussen] polls less favorably for Democrats, and that’s why he’s become a lightning rod.” Franklin also said: “It’s clear that his results are typically more Republican than the other person’s results.”[51]

The Center For Public Integrity listed “Scott Rasmussen Inc” as a paid consultant for the 2004 George W. Bush campaign.
wikipedia

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-09-18 09:24:26

I live in a non-swing, never going Republican state of CA, and from what I see, many people who voted Obama will not vote for him again, however on the other side, people who voted McCain aren’t jumping ship.

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-09-18 10:21:07

Republicans will vote republican and democrats will vote democrat. The only question in this election is the swing vote of independents. Can Romney win enough of the swing vote in key electoral states? Time will tell.

If Romney can stop with the foot-in-mouth syndrome before November, he has a chance.

 
Comment by butters
2012-09-18 10:22:54

Most accurate polls from 4 yrs ago.

1T. Rasmussen (11/1-3)**

1T. Pew (10/29-11/1)**

3. YouGov/Polimetrix (10/18-11/1)

4. Harris Interactive (10/20-27)

5. GWU (Lake/Tarrance) (11/2-3)*

6T. Diageo/Hotline (10/31-11/2)*

6T. ARG (10/25-27)*

8T. CNN (10/30-11/1)

8T. Ipsos/McClatchy (10/30-11/1)

10. DailyKos.com (D)/Research 2000 (11/1-3)

11. AP/Yahoo/KN (10/17-27)

12. Democracy Corps (D) (10/30-11/2)

13. FOX (11/1-2)

14. Economist/YouGov (10/25-27)

15. IBD/TIPP (11/1-3)

16. NBC/WSJ (11/1-2)

17. ABC/Post (10/30-11/2)

18. Marist College (11/3)

19. CBS (10/31-11/2)

20. Gallup (10/31-11/2)

21. Reuters/ C-SPAN/ Zogby (10/31-11/3)

22. CBS/Times (10/25-29)

23. Newsweek (10/22-23)

http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2008/11/the-list-which-presidential-polls-were-most-accurate/

 
Comment by oxide
2012-09-18 10:31:55

Rasmussen (11/1-3)

Note the date on the poll. Rasmussin is more accurate only just before the election.

The great orange libtard site has a theory on why this is: Weeks out from the election (i.e. now), Rasmussen adjusts his polling to favor the R in order to influence the public perception. “If the R is polling ahead, well then he must be good…”*

Then closer to the election, Ras adjusts for better accuracy. By then, it’s too late to influence, and he needs to re-bolster his reputation for the next election cycle.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 11:19:37

“Are you aware that of the top 11 political polls, ONLY Rasmussen has Mitt ahead?”

I assume that’s why it is the only one he ever mentions…

 
Comment by butters
2012-09-18 11:21:49

The great orange libtard site has a theory on why this is: Weeks out from the election (i.e. now), Rasmussen adjusts his polling to favor the R in order to influence the public perception. “If the R is polling ahead, well then he must be good…”*

Of course he does. Don’t like the results, what else to do?
Interestingly other pollsters don’t adjust. They must pretty fooking stoopid, right? I mean come on, it’s so easy.

………………………….

Monday, October 13, 2008

Fox News/Rasmussen Reports polling this week in Florida, Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia shows a very stable race whose underlying dynamic strongly favors Barack Obama over John McCain.

Obama holds a narrow advantage ranging from two to five percentage points in four of the five states and is tied with McCain in North Carolina. Keep in mind that all five of these states were carried by George W. Bush in Election 2004.

 
Comment by butters
2012-09-18 11:26:22

Rasmussen Reports Tracking (among “likely voters”) September 23–25, 2008 Barack Obama 50% John McCain 45%

Rasmussen Reports Tracking (among “likely voters”) October 10–12, 2008 Barack Obama 51% John McCain 45%

 
Comment by I blame progressives
2012-09-18 12:05:27

The only poll that matters is election day…when we see if all the vote tampering and fraud pays off for the progressives.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-09-18 12:32:30

if all the vote tampering and fraud pays off for the progressives.

I find this fascinating…or boring, not sure. I put in a lot of “windshield time” and flip around to all the AM talking heads.

The conservatards blame the libtards for vote tampering and fraud. The libtards blame the conservatards for vote tampering and fraud.

Way to do your part, conservatard.

 
Comment by I blame progressives
2012-09-18 14:35:24

Thanks! Just keeping the world safe from progressives.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 18:04:54

“We would not have QEIII unless the Fed saw a lot of bad economic numbers coming out, that is not going to be helpful to the campaign.”

How is QEIII not going to be helpful to the Obama campaign? The stock market always goes up from here, and a rising stock market is primary evidence of a healthy economy.

Any questions?

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 07:14:24

“The odds are just nonsense and show that the people betting know nothing about how elections work.”

CLICK!

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Comment by butters
2012-09-18 11:40:43

“The odds are just nonsense and show that the people betting know nothing about how elections work.”

I think it tells something about a certain segment of society, a segment with enough money to gamble thinks.

 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2012-09-18 18:09:20

“This is a very close election and will go down to the wire.”

No, it’s not, and no, it won’t. After the video of a cocky, arrogant Romney deriding nearly half of the population, he’s DONE.

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Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-09-18 11:33:08

I’ll vote Gary Johson, Paul or the town crier before casting a vote for either of the yes-men.

PS-Gary Johnson will be on the ballot in all 50 states IIRC.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-09-18 12:34:45

I’m still lobbying for a Paul/Kucinich or Paul/Sanders ticket, but I might have to consider boosting Johnson’s numbers.

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Comment by goon squad
2012-09-18 12:40:04

There is a marijuana decriminalization ballot measure in Colorado that may bump up Johnson’s votes here. He is going to “steal” the stoner vote from Obama (its natural owner) and tip the state to Romney LOL!

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Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-09-18 07:01:34

I’m not a Romney Fan, I just want the little fascist and all his Czars, with backroom and backdoor run-arounds of the Congress removed.
The only Alternative is Romney.
The Free cheeze Crowd will always vote Democrat, even if it’s Satan himself.

The press supports his every move and Blames NOTHING on Obama. Look at the fiasco in the Middle East. It’s ALL on Obama. Under his “leadership”, we helped remove every government in those areas of upheaval and replace them with the “muslim brotherhood” and al quada supporters. Now that it’s all going sideways, the story is that it’s all because of a youtube video.
REally. And people buy this tale.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 07:15:38

“The Free cheeze Crowd will always vote Democrat, even if it’s Satan himself.”

Have you approached the Romney campaign about a job doing PR work for them?

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-09-18 07:47:52

I don’t see this as PR for Romney. I am simply pointing out that the “news” is basically a sales job for Obama. They cover his every move and misstep. What was the “story” when the riots started? It wasn’t about our policies and positions that lead to the burning of American flags. No. It was about Romney’s “rush to judgement” and politicizing the crisis and what Romney said and what was Romney thinking ….blah, blah, blah.
The entire focus on Romney’s comment. Nothing about the “dear leader” and how he SUPPORTED this ‘arab spring’ and the takeover of all these countries as a form of “democracy”.
It ain’t workin’.
Whose idea was this?

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-09-18 11:53:26

Romney is the unknown in this election. We have an almost 4 year history of Obama as President. Romney’s moves and missteps are more newsworthy.

 
 
Comment by butters
2012-09-18 08:42:45

Have you approached the Romney campaign about a job doing PR work for them?

So you have approached the Obama campaign to post mostly “negative” things about Romney? How much they are paying per post?

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 18:28:48

Refrain from making moronic comments, or else we will have to conclude you are a moron.

 
 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-09-18 10:26:17

It’s ALL on Obama.

Erm, I don’t know. I thought we wanted democracy and freedom for those people under repressive, tyrannical regimes. Oh, you mean it has to be democracy WE prescribe? Freedom isn’t free.

 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2012-09-18 07:45:21

Fielding a question from a donor about how he could triumph in November, Romney replied:

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.

Here’s the video of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU9V6eOFO38

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-09-18 08:02:39

And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.

Truer words have not been spoken.

And, of course, this is seen as “divisive” and bad politics. The Hope and Change candidate was going to bring us “all together”.
There hasn’t been more polarization under any President that I can recall than by Obama. He dreams in political landscapes where every group can be set up as a support leg or an enemy camp.
But, really, it’s ROMNEY whose the great divider.
Obama is all about “uniting us”, except the Rich, or the Pasty white folks, or the Christians, or the Non-union supporters, or………………

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 08:26:06

There hasn’t been more polarization under any President that I can recall than by Obama.

Partly because having a black man as President drives some people bonkers.

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Comment by Montana
2012-09-18 08:58:25

haha, shuts ‘em down every time doesn’t it rio?

 
Comment by michael
2012-09-18 09:52:45

i hear ya…so many damn racist on this blog.

 
Comment by Ryan
2012-09-18 10:15:16

Wait a minute. A lot of what I read here that is negative towards Obama’s positions rarely has anything to do with race, it tends to have more to do with disagreeing with his politics.

It seems like race is injected into the discussion by supporters of Obama as a means to buffalo others into submission.

 
Comment by michael
2012-09-18 10:32:32

sarcasm

 
Comment by I blame progressives
2012-09-18 12:11:47

“Partly because having a black man as President drives some people bonkers.”

First of all, this claim is so tired and juvenile, but I am certainly not surprised that you are the originator.

Second, I am sure you would be the first one in line to vote for a black constitutional conservative, black libertarian or black neocon. Many of us old white guys out here would be first in line for all but the neocon…go serve up your trash on the kiddie boards.

 
Comment by Spook
2012-09-18 12:14:57

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 08:26:06
There hasn’t been more polarization under any President that I can recall than by Obama.

Partly because having a black man as President drives some people bonkers.
———————————-

What the hell is black about Obama?

Really?

FCOL, the man is the closest thing to a walking talking grahm cracker.

Obama is a test tube black man.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-09-18 12:46:04

What the hell is black about Obama?

His skin color.

And yes, it does drive many crazy. How else to explain that 30% of republicans still think he’s a muslim?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-09-18 13:32:01

“George Washington was a white man
Adams and Jefferson too
Abe Lincoln was a white man, probably
And William McKinley the whitest of them all
Was shot down by an immigrant in Buffalo
And a star fell out of heaven

I’m dreaming of a white President
Just like the ones we’ve always had… ”

http://soundcloud.com/nonesuchrecords/randy-newman-im-dreaming-2012/s-VMLkT

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 14:13:18

“Partly because having a black man as President drives some people bonkers.”

First of all, this claim is so tired and juvenile, but I am certainly not surprised that you are the originator.

Of course you are not surprised I have to guts to address the race issue that still is a huge issue in America. Because you know that I DO HAVE the guts to bring it up and you are not going to shut me down on it. If you think racism is not involved in the polarization of America right now, well then you are a complete fool - a totally ignorant fool.

And there is nothing tired and juvenile about bringing up racism in America. It is fact and has been a fact since before the founding of America. I see the fact, I don’t run from the fact and there are ways I’ve lived the fact in America. I also see how it plays out in different cultures and countries. Yes, America and Brazil have their different brands of racism.

Again: Having a black man as President of the United States really drives some weak-minded people bat-sH!t crazy.

 
Comment by I blame progressives
2012-09-18 14:46:21

“Again: Having a black man as President of the United States really drives some weak-minded people bat-sH!t crazy.”

Saying it twice does not make it true.

Calling your opposition a fool only makes you look small, proves that you have nothing of substance to add and your arguments are weak.

You progressives (well in your case Marxists) use race as a weapon and my comment did indeed shut you down, because I know that you would never ever vote for a black man who supports the US constitution and freedom.

You want to talk about the old school southern Democrat racists? Well that would be a completely different subject.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 15:14:04

Saying it twice does not make it true….Calling your opposition a fool only makes you look small,

Again: If you think racism is not involved in the polarization of America right now, well then you are a complete fool - a totally ignorant fool.

You really think white racism not a part of the polarization of America? Like it magically went away? When did it go away? Let me tell you a little story, foolish one.

About a month ago I was having a beer in Rio with a senior pilot for one of the major US Airlines who has a USA/Brazil route. He’s American, mid 50’s and white. He’s college educated, former Navy. Nice guy. Really nice, educated and cultured.

Well we got to talking politics and he was saying the birther stuff and then he started getting drunker and drunker and I was defending Obama from the birther stuff and the Pilot stood up in the middle of the Rio bar and screamed at me that “Obama was a Fu&^*NG N!&&ER!!!” His 2 co-pilots were stunned and left the bar 2 min later. Since then the pilot has emailed me stuff like Obama’s Kenyan Birth Cert. (Good Lord help us) I can give you more examples of American racism and you damn well know it.

You have to be a fool to not see it. But I wonder if you really are a fool. You are more like someone with an agenda. A serious agenda. Right now there is a concerted effort by those on the right to totally scoff at anyone who brings up the issue that many whites ARE still racists. You guys try to shout down the facts. And it goes just like you just did.

And look at your stupid handle - “I blame progressives”. All that comes out of your mouth/pen are lies, distortions and hate. Luckily you sound so ignorant and biased most of the time it’s actually amusing.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-09-18 15:18:13

Again: Having a black man as President of the United States really drives some weak-minded people bat-sH!t crazy.

That may be true in some cases but I find that those on the left tend to vastly overestimate how many of those people there are and underestimate those who have issues with people unrelated to skin color. Such as culture/social norms. They all get get lumped together as racists for the convenience of the lumper.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 15:33:47

It seems like race is injected into the discussion by supporters of Obama as a means to buffalo others into submission.

Sorry. It is much more like the opposite. The right tries to buffalo anyone pointing out actual racism into submission. This started years ago with the AM radio clowns and now many sheep have caught on.

“When racism is discussed, those who experience racism are inevitably accused of “playing the race card”. That this metaphor has shifted from a description of political dogwhistling for populist gain, to a licence to ignore or dilute the experience of those being racialised”

Racism is still very much with us. So why don’t we recognise it?

It has become so easy to deny or downplay racism because so much has been invested in relegating it to the past

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/13/racism-public-discourse-power-to-define

“The insistence that we live in post-racial societies, and the outrage when racism is called out, denies those who experience racism the right to define it and combat it on their terms. This is a central anti-racist principle, yet it is those who perpetuate racism who increasingly claim the right to say what racism is and, more frequently, what it is not.

When racism is discussed, those who experience racism are inevitably accused of “playing the race card”. That this metaphor has shifted from a description of political dogwhistling for populist gain, to a licence to ignore or dilute the experience of those being racialised, says much about the challenge of confronting shifting strategies of racism in a complacently post-racial context.

So let’s have an open and honest debate, one that starts by acknowledging that it is part of the struggle over what is recognised as racism, and that some participants start with far more power to define it than others.”

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 16:44:20

Again: Having a black man as President of the United States really drives some weak-minded people bat-sH!t crazy.

That may be true in some cases….

“May be true”? “In some cases”? Well, One of my degrees is in cultural anthropology so I find interesting recognizing cultural and racial interactions and I’ve had opportunities to do so. I’ve studied the Civil war for years. I’ve lived on both coasts, lived in 6 states, did business with 20 plus states and been to 49 states. I’ve had life-long friends - liberal and conservative shock me with their hidden racism. I’ve made it a point to contrast Brazil’s racism with America’s.

Some will say I’m wrong but maybe I’ve just seen more of it than many. And I’ve seen it from the white man’s AND a brown man’s perspective or maybe I just know what to look for.

To say USA is post racial now just because we elected a Black President is a mistake IMO. (And many social scientists’ and many regular folk’s feel the same as I)

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 18:30:34

“How else to explain that 30% of republicans still think he’s a muslim?”

Terminal stupidity?

 
Comment by I blame progressives
2012-09-18 20:25:18

“You really think white racism not a part of the polarization of America?”

You should know, your white southern Democrats were at the root. As usual progressive historians flipped the bits of the history books.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-09-18 20:34:32

You know what makes me crazy?

This quote from Obama’s convention speech:

“I want to reform the tax code so that it’s simple, fair and asks the wealthiest households to pay higher taxes on incomes over $250,000 — (cheers, applause) — the same rate we had when Bill Clinton was president, the same rate we had when our economy created nearly 23 million new jobs, the biggest surplus in history and a whole lot of millionaires to boot.

(Applause.)

Now, I’m still eager to reach an agreement based on the principles of my bipartisan debt commission. No party has a monopoly on wisdom. No democracy works without compromise. I want to get this done, and we can get it done.”

Ahhhhhh, hypocrisy–only the sheep don’t see it as hypocrisy.

“I want X, it’ll be simple, fair, and great, but I’m eager to do Y (which is totally different).”

 
 
Comment by measton
2012-09-18 09:29:29

This is wrong plenty of Red State GOP voting poor, don’t ask me why. I think it has to do with gay marriage guns and socialism though??

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Comment by michael
2012-09-18 10:43:19

i have poor “starving” artist friend of mine who thinks that a central governing authority (federal governement) should not be able to compel someone else to subsisize his lifestyle choice.

he is 42, single, poor as shit and does not vote republican or democrat (libertarian). i often wonder what his attitude will be when he is 75.

 
Comment by rms
2012-09-18 11:19:57

i often wonder what his attitude will be when he is 75.

Not wealthy, not married and likely little health care means he’ll never see seventy-five.

 
Comment by Spook
2012-09-18 14:36:52

the way things are going, the planet itself may not get there?

 
 
Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2012-09-18 09:46:06

“There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what….These are people who pay no income tax.”

“And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax. Truer words have not been spoken.”

Ron Paul supporter here so I don’t want either main candidate, but seriously do you think only people who vote Democrat ride the free $#!* train?

I know conservative poor people with little earned income and lots of rugrat deductibles and credits, who are on food stamps and possibly welfare. But you’d better believe they would never vote for a Democrat.

This lumping of all the “bad guys” together in one group and blaming them for all the ills of the world is convenient but not terribly honest. In that 47% who pay no taxes (excluding social security, state income taxes, sales tax, property tax, car registration tax, etc.) are lots of Republicans. Romney is insulting a lot of his own base and they are too blinded by partisanship to see it.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2012-09-18 12:00:48

Its getting there….who hoo..

Ohbewannas legacy… the death of political correctness…

Oh is too stupid to use as a campaign slogan

I want 25 million people OFF food stamps by 2016 because we created so many good paying jobs you dont need them anymore..

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-09-18 12:09:55

What does it even mean? Does he mean 47% of Obama voters? 47% of Americans? 47% of all voters?

It’s obvious his implication is on purpose. He’s conflating this known number (47%) to imply that Obama voters are all freeloaders and also that all freeloaders will vote for Obama.

It’s the transitive property, stupid. Obama will get 47% of the vote. 47% of “the people” are freeloaders. Obama voters are freeloaders.

 
Comment by MightyMike
2012-09-18 12:43:47

If Obama has a lock on 47% of the vote, that means that, in order to get 51% for himself, Romney needs something like 96% of everybody else. If 5% of the good, decent, hard-working, taxpaying portion of the electorate decide to vote for Obama, then Romney loses. He should just give up.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-09-18 12:48:30

Romney needs something like 96% of everybody else… He should just give up.

He must not believe his own propaganda.

 
Comment by Ol' Bubba
2012-09-18 17:34:52

There’s a difference between 47% of the population and 47% of the voters.

I think his implicit assumption is that the 47% are too lazy to go out and vote.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 00:43:47

Is the global central banker cartel losing its ability to control asset prices?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 00:46:43

The global stock trader bovine herd is behaving as though somebody just shot off a gun and sent them stampeding over a cliff.

Global Dow Realtime USD
Market closed 1,975.34
Change -8.81 -0.44%
Volume 1,039.85b
Sep 18, 2012 3:44 a.m.
Previous close 1,984.15

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 00:51:12

I figured the Fed’s QE3 announcement last week was a sure sign that Happy Days Are Here Again.

Who’d've thunk they would prove to the be harbinger of renewed global financial panic?

Oil majors pressure Europe

Europe stocks pushing lower, driven by losses for oil majors as crude oil prices continue to push lower and QE3 euphoria subsides.
Oil renews descent in Europe trading session

Comment by Combotechie
2012-09-18 06:12:42

Suck ‘em in, shake ‘em …

Oh, never mind.

 
Comment by michael
2012-09-18 06:18:37

the bernank said it wouldn’t work but he was going to do it anyway.

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-09-18 06:54:39

I believe he said, more correctly, that it probably wouldn’t help the “economy”, meaning real working Americans. It will always help the Banksters to have more money and to be relieved of BAD DEBTS, i.e. bad mortgage loans that never should have been made.

Lew Rockwell gave a great talk, yesterday, on the evils of the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM. I post the link here:

http://lewrockwell.com/rockwell/twin-demons-198.html

It is an excellent description of how the FED Is the god of War and Welfare. All Central banks are basically thieves that use “money printing” as a way to avoid tax collection.
A great quote from Ron Paul basically puts it this way (not quoted): If you told every household in America to send the government and extra $10,000 to 20 thousand dollars on their tax returns this year, how long do you think the War in AFghanistan would have lasted?

HUMMM???
That’s the reality. The FED hides the real costs of everything by diluting the value of your savings. That is ALL that they do, aside from pushing up “asset prices” allowing those holding assets to be ever richer.
Bernanke is simply a co-conspirator to a criminal enterprise known as Central Banking.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 00:57:55

Asian Stocks Fall on China-Japan Tension, Europe Concerns
By Adam Haigh and Yoshiaki Nohara - Sep 17, 2012 11:59 PM PT

Asian stocks fell as rising tensions between Japan and China pushed down shares of Tokyo- listed companies from Honda Motor Co. (7267) to Fast Retailing (9983) Co. amid signs of slowing growth in the U.S. and a worsening European debt crisis.

BHP Billiton Ltd. (BHP), the world’s largest mining company, slid 0.6 percent in Sydney as metal prices dropped. Fast Retailing, Asia’s biggest apparel chain, tumbled 7 percent, in Tokyo as it was forced to shut stores in China amid anti-Japanese protests. Hokuriku Electric Power Co. surged 6.4 percent after a Japanese government minister signaled he has no plans to stop construction of nuclear reactors.

The MSCI Asia Pacific Index (MXAP) lost 0.1 percent to 123.20 as of 4:55 p.m. in Tokyo, with almost five stocks falling for every four that rose. Gains among utilities limited losses on Japan’s Nikkei 255 Stock Average as equity markets reopened today after a public holiday.

There is concern that anti-Japanese protests may reduce investment into China in the mid- and long-term,” said Koji Toda, chief fund manager at Resona Bank Ltd. in Tokyo, which oversees about 15 trillion yen ($191 billion). “The situation is uncertain and we don’t know how long it will last.”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 01:14:17

Bloomberg News
European Stocks Fall Most in Two Weeks as Euro Weakens With Oil
By Richard Frost and Adam Haigh on September 18, 2012

European stocks fell the most in two weeks, the euro weakened and Spain’s bonds declined on concern the nation will seek financial aid. Chinese shares slumped amid escalating tensions with Japan, while oil extended its biggest drop in two months.

The Stoxx Europe 600 Index (SXXP) lost 0.5 percent at 8:05 a.m. in London, while Standard & Poor’s 500 Index futures were little changed. The Shanghai Composite Index dropped 0.9 percent, capping its biggest two-day loss since March. The euro slid 0.1 percent against the dollar and Spain’s two-year bond yield climbed six basis points to 3.40 percent. Oil declined 0.4 percent following a 2.4 percent slide yesterday.

European Central Bank Governing Council member Luc Coene said rising bond yields may force Spain into seeking assistance. The nation plans to sell as much as 4.5 billion euros ($5.9 billion) of bills today. China and Japan’s worst diplomatic crisis since 2005 is putting at risk a trade relationship that’s tripled in the past decade to more than $340 billion.

“There are still a number of areas of concern,” Tim Schroeders, who helps manage about $1 billion at Pengana Capital Ltd. in Melbourne, said in a telephone interview. “Investors will become increasingly nervous if a policy response doesn’t materialize in China. There are still tensions between European partners in terms of what shape and form the ultimate rescue takes. The devil lies in the detail.”

Comment by salinasron
2012-09-18 07:38:02

Yawn.Wake me when we have some real major numbers of decline.

Comment by scdave
2012-09-18 08:03:14

I agree Salinas….All we are seeing is higher low’s & higher high’s…

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 01:18:19

I don’t see how QE3 will suffice to prop up stock prices against a vast sea of negative economic realities. Methinks the Wall Street bovine brigade miscalculated.

U.S. economy
Here Comes the Big Manufacturing Slowdown
By Matthew Philips on September 17, 2012

A new TV commercial running in the New York region features Robert De Niro lauding the “new” New York State economy to the tune of Jay-Z’s Empire State of Mind. Quick-cut shots of high-tech manufacturing assembly lines, silicon wafers, and spinning wind turbines (among others) accompany De Niro’s voice-over about attracting businesses and creating jobs, lowering tax rates, and spurring innovation. The message is clear: Business and manufacturing in New York State is making a big comeback. It’d be nice if it were true.

For the second straight month, manufacturing activity in the New York region slowed, this time to the lowest level since April 2009, during the worst of the global recession. The Federal Reserve Bank of New York’s Empire Manufacturing Survey dropped to a minus 10.4 reading in September, nearly double the slowdown from August’s reading of minus 5.85, and five times as bad as the median forecast of the 53 economists surveyed by Bloomberg, which called for a reading of minus 2. The slowdown was broad and deep, from new orders and shipments to employment. All sank more than expected.

This would be less of a problem if it were just a regional slump. But the New York data is clearly part of a much bigger trend. Last week, the Fed reported a sharp contraction in the country’s industrial output, which showed that production from factories, mines, and utilities fell by 1.2 percent last month—the biggest drop since 2009 and also well below expectations. Slowing U.S. exports have pushed the monthly trade deficit in manufactured goods to a record $63.9 billion. After creating 500,000 jobs since 2010, factories are starting to cut workers.

Manufacturing data tend to be a leading indicator for the rest of the economy. The recent weakness is more an indication of future conditions than present ones, meaning the U.S. manufacturing renaissance of the last two years may be about to take an extended breather. An analysis of 27 major industries by the Manufacturers Alliance for Productivity & Innovation predicts that industrial activity in the U.S. is entering a period of sluggish growth that will last until the second half of 2014. MAPI chief economist Daniel Meckstroth expects that industrial production will grow by 4.5 percent in 2012 and only 2.3 percent in 2013, a full percentage point lower than his previous estimate of 3.3 percent. “The big difference right now is that the growth we’ve seen for the last two years, that’s not going to occur much anymore,” says Meckstroth.

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-09-18 07:56:32

The solution is simple. WE need more “stimulus”.
Take that buffoon Krugman’s advice. Print more money and spread it around to Political allies. Perhaps we can conjure up another 2 Trillion.
Then we can keep up spending and consumption until after the election.
The crisis will be massive in a couple years and then we can institute Rooseveltian programs galore for the benefit of the little man, all who will be poorer as the result of massive devaluation of their money.
Problem solved. It may even allow for undoing a Constitutional Amendment for a 3 term or 4 term Presidency to provide enough programs for a total Communist style central State.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-09-18 13:35:48

I’m actually busier right now, after a very slow Q2 and Q3. I suspect mine is a lagging indicator, however. I believe people are trying to get capital expenditures in before fiscal year end in order to lay the groundwork for budget approvals for next year, and that the very end of the calendar year will be slow.

Slight bump in Jan/Feb as people have new $ to spend, then down she’ll go again in Q2-Q3 is my prediction.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 01:20:52

Investing
Are Stocks Doomed by Demographics?
By Roben Farzad on September 17, 2012

The stock market got a big boost on Sept. 13 when the Federal Reserve announced it would be pumping money into the financial system for as long as it takes to lift the economy. But what if the Fed is up against a force that’s stronger than money—demographics?

Last week I came across a gloomy analysis on the aging of America’s impact on the economy. Then I found strategists who are using demographics to make a bullish case. Here are the details.

An economics blog posted a depressing speech given by author and newsletter writer Harry Dent, called “A Decade of Volatility: Demographics, Debt, and Deflation.” “There is,” Dent says, “simply no way the Fed can win the battle it’s currently waging against deflation, because there are 76 million Baby Boomers who increasingly want to save, not spend. Old people don’t buy houses!

Comment by In Colorado
2012-09-18 07:47:32

They just need to issue more H1-B visas.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2012-09-18 07:50:33

Farzad is just figuring this out?

What a “looser!”

 
Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2012-09-18 09:52:14

Harry Dent. Per Wikipedia:

“In 2000, based on his forecast that economic growth would continue throughout the 2000s, Dent predicted that the DOW would reach 40k, a prediction which was repeated in his 2004 book. In his book, he also predicted the NASDAQ would reach 13-20k. In late 2006 he revised his forecasts to much lower levels, estimating the Dow would reach 16-18k and the NASDAQ 3-4k. In January 2006, he predicted that the DOW would reach 14-15k by the end of the year. It ended 2006 at 12,463, 11% below the lower end of his prediction. It ended 2007 at 13,264, again significantly lower than Dent’s revised prediction of 15,000 by early 2008. Since then, the Dow crossed 14,000 in late 2007 before retreating.”

I guess I would be quoted too if I could just keep changing my predictions to match the current reality.

For now, I’m gonna still be preparing for inflation over deflation. (Excluding houses and some other over-priced assets. But is that really deflation? Or is that just a return to a historical norm - i.e. 3x income instead of 15x?)

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 01:23:55

Too many “done deals” that may later unravel can take their toll on the global stock market.

Hesitant Spain puts euro, share rally into reverse
By Marc Jones
LONDON | Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:51am EDT

(Reuters) - European shares and the euro slipped on Tuesday as investors turned their attention from central bank stimulus to slowing global growth and uncertainty about Spain’s desire for an international aid package.

Equities fell further from the 14-month highs reached last week after the U.S. Federal Reserve promised to pump $40 billion a month into the economy until the jobs market improves.

London’s, Paris’s and Frankfurt’s began the day between 0.6 and 0.8 percent lower, sending amalgamated European and global indexes down.

Investors are worried about Spain’s willingness to accept an EU/IMF bailout and this has overshadowed the recent progress policymakers have made in fighting the euro zone debt crisis.

German Bund prices rose 15 ticks and Italy and Spain both saw small rises in yields at Tuesday’s as worries about Spain pushed some investors back into safe-haven assets.

We take the view that delaying tactics by the Spanish government to request aid could backfire and lead to renewed upward pressure on yields because markets are effectively assuming that an aid request is more or less a done deal,” said Rabobank economist Elwin de Groot.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 01:38:56

Cargo Slump Pulls Down Bulk Hire Costs To 45-Month Low
By MICHELLE WIESE BOCKMANN
September 18, 2012, 3:12pm

Hire costs for Panamax vessels, the largest to transit the Panama Canal, slumped to the lowest in three years and nine months, as a shortage of cargoes in the Atlantic Ocean region worsened an oversupply of ships.

Average daily returns declined for a 17th day, falling 3.9 percent to $3,833, according to the Baltic Exchange, a London-based assessor of freight costs. Rates that have dropped 40 percent in four weeks are within 8.4 percent of the record low recorded on Dec. 12, 2008, exchange data show.

“This has been driven by few cargoes in especially the Atlantic,” said Fearnley Securities AS, an Oslo-based investment bank, in a report e-mailed today.

The Baltic Dry Index, a broader measure of commodity shipping costs, gained 0.2 percent to 663 as hire costs rose for the three other ship sizes tracked by the gauge.

Comment by Admiral Karl Donitz
2012-09-18 06:42:41

I have a solution to the problem of too many ships.

Comment by oxide
2012-09-18 09:55:55

You sent me to Wiki for that one. :cool:

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Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-09-18 04:35:14

Control asset prices?

You mean to tell me the market price structures are grossly distorted?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 06:31:44

Yes.

Comment by Combotechie
2012-09-18 06:49:49

Not possible.

Price equals Value. Always.

(snark)

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Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-09-18 07:19:57

“Yes.”

This cannot be! $200/sq ft for a rundown 20 year old ranch is an accurate price!

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2012-09-18 06:45:21

Why is it always ‘da bears’ who get blamed for falling asset prices?

How about if the greater fools who bid the prices way over fundamental values take some of the heat for a change?

Stocks to watch: Dole, AMD, FedEx
Bears tilt Wall Street lower
U.S. stocks step off on a weaker note, freighted by FedEx’s results and downwardly revised outlook.
Madrid skids in broad-based European retreat

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 07:05:12

Somebody magically moved all the headline U.S. stock market indexes back to the flat line, after an early-morning selloff.

Cool trick!

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Comment by palmetto
2012-09-18 05:23:36

Yes, that dip in oil was sort of weird.

It may well be that the bankster cartel is indeed losing control of a number of things. Interesting.

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-09-18 08:10:04

Don’t count on it. Sudden movement of asset or stock prices in either direction can make some people very rich quick, depending on how you were positioned.
Most people would have been on the upside of prices on oil given the turmoil, the money -printing and the uncertainty of the markets.
A counter trade on the downside would have been buying up the bad bets.
What side do you think the “market makers” were supporting.
Remember Goldman-Sachs raking in huge profits from it’s trading desk betting on the collapse of the mortgages they were selling out the front-door, with a group of insider trades in the backdoor. The losers are the retail “customer”.

 
Comment by Bad Andy
2012-09-18 08:11:26

I think it was a trip on stop losses. As each major investor’s stop loss hit the price tanked. When you run commodities like a casino, big dips and big gains are possible on any given day.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 12:47:23

“Is the global central banker cartel losing its ability to control asset prices?”

Judging from today’s appearance of a propped-up U.S. stock market that by all appearances wants to plunge, my answer is a definitive ‘no.’

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 00:54:03

Sept. 17, 2012, 10:16 a.m. EDT
Realtors choose moaning over action on tight loans
Commentary: Agents should be willing to shoulder pain of bad loans
By MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — To hear the National Association of Realtors tell it, if only banks had looser mortgage standards, another 700,000 homes would be sold and 350,000 jobs would be created.

That’s according to a release Monday from the trade association. NAR says between 500,000 to 700,000 more homes and between 250,000 to 350,000 new jobs would be created if standards weren’t too tight. There probably will be about 4.6 million homes sold this year, whereas the NAR says in “normal” circumstances some 5 million to 5.5 million would be sold.

The NAR points out that in the good ole days between 2001 and 2004, just over 40% of Fannie Mae- and Freddie Mac-backed loans had FICO scores over 740, compared to 75% in 2011. Even at the Federal Housing Administration, the average score for denied applications has grown to 669 from 656 for the loans originated in 2001.

Of course, real estate agents have all the upside (higher sales) and little of the downside (bad loans) to gain from looser standards.

In fact, the only way real-estate agents would suffer from looser standards is if things got so out of hand, that investors lost confidence in banks to such a large extent that a credit-led huge recession would materialize that would devastate the housing market.

But how likely is THAT going to be?

[Pause.]

Oh. Right.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-09-18 07:37:33

Realtors choosing moaning over action? And this is news? Since when?

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 00:56:25

Japan businesses in China hit as protests rage
By ELAINE KURTENBACH, AP Business Writer – 17 minutes ago

TOKYO (AP) — Scores of Japanese-owned factories and stores in China were shuttered Tuesday as anti-Japanese demonstrations raged in dozens of cities.

At stake are billions of dollars in investments and far more in sales and trade between Japan and China, the world’s third- and second-largest economies. The two are so closely entwined, though, that both would suffer from any long-term disruptions.

The Japanese government has been urging Beijing to do more to protect Japanese businesses from trespassing, looting and other damage, Chief Cabinet Secretary Osamu Fujimura told reporters.

“Japanese companies play an important role in the Chinese economy and employment. We believe we should be calm and make rational judgments from a broad perspective,” Fujimura said. Some private and government-level meetings and events have been postponed or cancelled, he said.

Big name brands and retailers appeared to be suffering the brunt of the latest mass outburst of anti-Japanese sentiment, with companies in lower profile sectors less affected.

Many companies said they closed Tuesday as the 81st anniversary of a Japanese invasion brought a fresh wave of protests venting anger over the colonial past and a current dispute involving contested islands in the East China Sea.

In Shanghai, many of the Japanese-owned or oriented shops and restaurants in the western part of the city where the Japanese consulate is located had either closed or covered any Japan-brand signs.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 00:59:58

All Americans have a bright and prosperous future, even Lucky Ducky.

Comment by goon squad
2012-09-18 06:10:44

The future’s so bright, I gotta wear shades!

 
Comment by AmazingRuss
2012-09-18 06:59:20

Except the 47%

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 07:20:56

Isn’t 47% just about enough to win a U.S. election?

September 17, 2012, 11:03 PM

Romney Says Comments ‘Not Elegantly Stated’
By Sara Murray

COSTA MESA, Calif. — Mitt Romney, in a hastily scheduled press conference, said his controversial fundraiser comments were “not elegantly stated” but he didn’t back down from them.

Mr. Romney’s campaign was sidetracked Monday when a video of him speaking at a fundraiser drew attention — and sharp criticism from Democrats. In the video, posted by Mother Jones magazine, Mr. Romney paints many of President Barack Obama‘s supporters in a negative light.

“There are 47% of the people who will vote for the president, no matter what,’’ Mr. Romney said in the video. “All right, there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what.…These are people who pay no income tax.”

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-09-18 07:38:33

Not elegantly stated? Man, is this guy clueless?

Dude, open mouth. Insert foot.

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2012-09-18 07:54:22

Sometime is not possible to “elegantly” state an ugly truth.

 
Comment by Bad Andy
2012-09-18 08:12:52

I don’t have any issues with his statements or how they were put. In fact, as a conservative voter it could sway me back in his direction. It still won’t…

 
Comment by scdave
2012-09-18 08:25:18

Sometime is not possible to “elegantly” state an ugly truth ??

Except that its not the truth Bill….And therein lays the problem…Romney is acting out somebody he is not to placate the right wing, so he can sit in the chair that he so desperately wants….I think the last paragraph is “spot on”…

News for david brooks romney ad

Thurston Howell Romney
New York Times‎ - 13 hours ago
Did you hear about Mitt Romney’s comments from a fund-raiser earlier this year? They seemed to … Howell Romney. By DAVID BROOKS …

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-09-18 08:26:22

I was thinking about that last night. As inelegantly as it may have been stated, I doubt it will actually change the mind of anyone seriously considering voting for him. It just makes those who would have never considered voting for him hate him even more. Which may actually support his point…

 
Comment by scdave
2012-09-18 09:10:33

It just makes those who would have never considered voting for him hate him even more ??

I don’t hate the man…I think the “hate” is reserved for the right side of the isle…In fact, I think his values are quite honorable in some instances…

Its his pandering that I dislike…Its apparent, at least to me that he is taking positions that he really does not really believe…

Read David Brooks Op/Ed…

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 10:17:56

“Not elegantly stated?”

Talk about painting lipstick on a pig…sheesh!

 
Comment by sfrenter
2012-09-18 11:40:23

Of the 47 percent of households that pay no income tax, nearly two thirds still pay payroll tax. Just about one third of those remaining households—the ones who pay neither income nor payroll tax—are the very poor, earning less than $20,000 each year.

 
Comment by sfrenter
2012-09-18 11:46:08

I pay no taxes, but guess why? Because there is only one way for me to file: single head of household with dependents.

If gay marriage were to become federally recognized then I would no longer file as single head of household and would not be getting a free ride.

Oh well.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-09-18 11:50:29

If gay marriage were to become federally recognized then I would no longer file as single head of household and would not be getting a free ride.

And will we, your HBB friends, be invited to the wedding? Can we dance with joyous abandon? Propose numerous toasts?

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-09-18 12:05:25

Amazing how religious people never caught on how much the tax codes favors people shackin up

 
Comment by Pete
2012-09-18 12:32:38

“I think the last paragraph is “spot on”…

Yes, this sentence especially nails it:

“Personally, I think he’s a kind, decent man who says stupid things because he is pretending to be something he is not — some sort of cartoonish government-hater.”

 
Comment by sfrenter
2012-09-18 17:02:41

And will we, your HBB friends, be invited to the wedding? Can we dance with joyous abandon? Propose numerous toasts?

I dunno if we’ll ever get married. I have friends who have been married 3X (Hawaii once, San Francisco once, and then CA once). WTFup with that? Seems to water it all down, doesn’t it?

Besides, if we get married, we’ll never be able to afford college for the kids.

But yeah, Slim, you’re invited.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-09-18 17:03:47

But yeah, Slim, you’re invited.

I’ll be there with bells on! And with dancing shoes on my feet!

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 18:37:08

‘Sometime is not possible to “elegantly” state an ugly truth.’

And my HS tennis coach had some sage advice for politicians who might be tempted to flap their jaw in front of the camera regarding such situations:

It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear dumb, than to open it and remove all doubt.

 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-09-18 14:34:17

Isn’t 47% just about enough to win a U.S. election?

That doubles as the reason I think he’s purposely conflating those 47% who pay no taxes and those 47% who are with him (him being Obama).

But some here have no problem with what was said…yikes.

Clearly, to any thinking person who can see through it, a subset of the 47% who pay no taxes won’t vote and a subset of the 47% who pay no taxes will vote for Romney.

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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-09-18 14:37:11

…and from a different 47% perspective…of the 47% who are with him, a subset will not pay (federal) taxes.

It all depends on what you mean by 47%.

 
 
Comment by Robin
2012-09-18 15:31:14

What about the 1%ers or the .1%ers who pay no federal income taxes?

Will they vote for the incumbent?

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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-09-18 16:30:08

Well, so far General Electric is tossing cash at Romney at 3:1.

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000125

 
 
 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-09-18 07:36:40

Are you referring to the ones who actually pay the taxes that support the Fed’s printing and Congress’s promises of government support for everything??

 
Comment by measton
2012-09-18 09:33:58

Again

I’d really like someone to point out how wrong he is on the 47% voting Obama. The guns gays and god thing get’s a lot of these people to vote GOP.

You remember the protests of get the government’s hands off my medicare.

Comment by scdave
2012-09-18 10:46:30

I’d really like someone to point out how wrong he is on the 47% voting Obama ??

Read David Brooks Op/Ed and you will get your answer…

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 01:03:25

It’s a crying shame when a candidate’s off-the-cuff remarks go farther to define him that what he says on-the-record.

Romney Doesn’t Disavow Video Remark on American ‘Victims’
By John McCormick - Sep 17, 2012 8:22 PM PT

Mitt Romney said his comment in a video released earlier today calling many Americans “victims” dependent on the government wasn’t “elegantly stated,” while stopping short of disavowing the remark.

The Republican presidential candidate said tonight that his comments, secretly recorded at a campaign event earlier this year, were made while “speaking off the cuff in response to a question.”

“It’s not elegantly stated,” Romney said outside a campaign fundraiser in Costa Mesa, California. “Of course I want to help all Americans. All Americans have a bright and prosperous future.”

Comment by goon squad
2012-09-18 06:12:31

Correction: All 1%ers have a bright and prosperous future.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-09-18 06:37:29

Marie Antoinette thought so as well.

Comment by Combotechie
2012-09-18 06:47:42

“Marie Antoinette’s”

What a great name for a cake shop.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 06:51:31

Sweet! (Har!!)

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-09-18 07:19:48

Just think of the slogan potential!

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-09-18 07:39:37

Just think of the slogan potential!

Cakes so good you’ll lose your head over them!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Ryan
2012-09-18 07:01:41

Tsk. Tsk. Never, ever refer to the Free Shit Army when discussing the Free Shit Army. Poor form.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-09-18 07:21:44

Yep. Don’t want to insult Wall St. They might extort you again for another 10 TRILLION dollar.

Comment by Ryan
2012-09-18 09:40:58

The only people not recruited into the Free Sh!t Army are the middle class. They are getting it from both ends.

Everyone else is riding one gravy train or another.

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Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2012-09-18 09:59:18

+1 Ryan

 
Comment by scdave
2012-09-18 10:49:08

Free Sh!t Army ??

Army ?? You mean like the “free sh!t” that “army” veterans get at the V/A hospital ?? Is that the free $h!t army you speak of ??

 
Comment by Ryan
2012-09-18 11:13:41

I don’t know the answer to that one, next time you stop by ask one of the 19 years with his face melted off and no arms whether or not he paid for it.

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-09-18 11:28:02

People taking home less than $500 week are not riding ANY gravy train.

Not for 2 decades.

 
Comment by sfrenter
2012-09-18 11:50:40

The only people not recruited into the Free Sh!t Army are the middle class. They are getting it from both ends.

Everyone else is riding one gravy train or another.

I have worked with kids from every socio-economic background. What is fascinating is that the sense of entitlement is greatest from poor kids and rich kids, but not so much with the middle class kids.

Both groups (very poor and very rich) think the world owes them something.

 
Comment by scdave
2012-09-18 14:31:58

I don’t know the answer to that one ??

Well, you are the one that raised the question Ryan…Point is, like the Brooks article states, there are a lot of people in the “47% Victims” that Romney disparages that have earned every dime of the so called “free $h!t”….

next time you stop by ask one of the 19 years with his face melted off and no arms whether or not he paid for it ??

Or maybe I could go ask my older 20 year old brother ?? Oh, wait a moment, that is going to be a little difficult cause see, most of his body is strewed all over some Vietnam jungle…

 
 
 
 
Comment by sfrenter
2012-09-18 11:47:37

“Of course I want to help all Americans

I can only imagine the smirk on his face as he said this.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 01:09:04

It’s pretty interesting how the Iowa Electronic Market 2012 US Presidential Election Winner Takes All Market prices showed a big divergence on the day this story broke, no? Implied odds against Romney are now approaching 3:1.

Today, Mitt Romney Lost the Election
By Josh Barro Sep 17, 2012
3:02 PM PT

You can mark my prediction now: A secret recording from a closed-door Mitt Romney fundraiser, released today by David Corn at Mother Jones, has killed Mitt Romney’s campaign for president.

On the tape, Romney explains that his electoral strategy involves writing off nearly half the country as unmoveable Obama voters. As Romney explains, 47 percent of Americans “believe that they are victims.” He laments: “I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

So what’s the upshot? “My job is not to worry about those people,” he says. He also notes, describing President Obama’s base, “These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax.”

This is an utter disaster for Romney.

Romney already has trouble relating to the public and convincing people he cares about them. Now, he’s been caught on video saying that nearly half the country consists of hopeless losers.

Romney has been vigorously denying President Obama’s claims that his tax plan would raise taxes on the middle class. Now, he’s been caught on video suggesting that low- and middle-income Americans are undertaxed.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-09-18 06:42:49

Not just under taxed but lazy as well.

For some reason, not being able to replace the millions of decent job that were sent to Chindia is their fault.

Comment by goon squad
2012-09-18 06:58:05

Yeah! F*ing parasites. They should all go back to school (at age 55) to retrain for The Jobs Of The Future. Or get bootstrapping and start their own Candle Shop or Pirate Store. Or get their Realtors® License LOL!

Comment by Ryan
2012-09-18 07:03:36

I think there will be a big market for pike and pitchfork shops in the near future.

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Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-09-18 07:26:50

I see weed wackers, hedge trimmers and lawn mowers. :lol:

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-09-18 08:33:57

I think there will be a big market for pike and pitchfork shops in the near future.

When I got on here in early 2006 we figured that would be the case soon. In late 08 it looked like it could be any day. Here we are in 2012…crisis averted.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-09-18 09:45:55

When I got on here in early 2006 we figured that would be the case soon. In late 08 it looked like it could be any day. Here we are in 2012…crisis averted.

Never underestimate the power of kicking the can. Mexico did it for about four decades* before it blew up in its face.

*Mexico “kept the peace” for decades via gov’t spending and the swelling ranks of gov’t employees.

 
Comment by Ryan
2012-09-18 09:54:05

“In late 08 it looked like it could be any day. Here we are in 2012…crisis averted.”

Agreed, I think we were all surprised. The one thing that is different this time around is that a great many more people are feeling the pain already than last time. How much pain will they take? If we know that answer then we know when to go long pike poles and pitch forks.

 
Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2012-09-18 10:16:32

“47 percent of Americans “believe that they are victims.” He laments: “I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

So what’s the upshot? “My job is not to worry about those people,” he says.”

(Again, keep in mind I am voting Paul and think both parties totally corrupt.) I can’t wrap my mind around this. 47% of American citizens are not in the job description of the President of the United States??? 47%? A large number of whom pay no taxes because…. they are students, they are retired, they have lots of kids and get lots of child credits, they have kids and only one income because mom home school’s, they have large medical bills, they have been unemployed awhile because their jobs disappeared, they are unemployed because their once productive town was destroyed by outsourcing, they paid a lot of taxes in 2005 but none last year because their high-paying jobs were cut, they don’t pay taxes because of their job - ministers, priests, etc.

I don’t really think this is what he meant to say (at least I hope not), I think he was simply referring to the small segment of our society that prefers welfare and the underground economy to being productive, but he lumps anyone who doesn’t pay federal taxes in the same boat which is ridiculous, contemptuous and shows a significant lack of understanding of the current economy.

For example, I have two clients (two couples) who not only pay NO federal income tax but get back $2,000 to $3,000 more each year than what they put in due to the child credit. (One has 2 children, one 3.) They both have rental properties that have negative income thanks to depreciation and some high expenses for one of them. So they get every dime of taxes back. They are Florida residents so they pay no state taxes. They get back more than they pay in because they keep popping out kids. Neither wife works. The type of free-loaders Romney must despise with all his heart and soul.

They are both naval pilots.

Personally, I believe the Commander-in-Chief should absolutely be worrying about “those people.”

 
Comment by sfrenter
2012-09-18 11:53:10

They get back more than they pay in because they keep popping out kids. Neither wife works. The type of free-loaders Romney must despise with all his heart and soul.

Who needs birth control, sex education, or abortion? Not Romney.

 
Comment by Al
2012-09-18 12:10:48

“I see weed wackers, hedge trimmers and lawn mowers.”

And an empty gerry can. :(

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-09-18 15:26:12

47% of American citizens are not in the job description of the President of the United States???

I interpret this as his job description as Republican nominee, not his job description as President.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-09-18 17:15:24

“I interpret this as his job description as Republican nominee, not his job description as President.”

That’s what I heard, also. He sees his job as a candidate to reach the reachable and to not worry about reaching the unreachable.

I still take issue with lumping all Obama supporters as the 47% who don’t pay taxes. Romney deserves the flak he is getting for that.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-09-18 07:41:16

I have an over-55 friend who’s looking at getting a real estate license. She’s a very bright woman, and I’m trying to talk her out of it. Why? Because I think the brainlessness of many real estate people would drive her nuts.

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-09-18 09:16:57

“I have an over-55 friend who’s looking at getting a real estate license.”

I considered doing this during my last bout of unemployment in 2003. I talked to realtors and they told me that the first year(s) could be slim earnings. If I were not sole support for my family, I might have tried it. But I figured we could not survive long enough for me to earn a decent living.

It might have been OK during the go-go years of the bubble, but I would have been in trouble after the crash. I would expect the time to decent earnings would have increased since then.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 18:46:24

“Because I think the brainlessness of many real estate people would drive her nuts.”

Over the years I’ve figured out the solution to this sort of problem: Simply learn to enjoy the entertainment value in others’ moronic behaviors.

 
 
 
Comment by Anon In DC
2012-09-18 18:10:09

They could go create a job. God forbid they show any intiative other then answering ads / completing application / and becoming clock punchers / watchers again.

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-09-18 06:48:26

Didn’t we already know that almost half in the US pay no income tax? Is it a shock that tax rate discussion doesn’t reach these people?

LOL, “undertaxed”, a word that could only be spoken by an overlord.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-09-18 07:11:05

I think we should have an election based on this. It is the history of democracies when the free sh*T people become the majority the country collapses. All we have to look at is Greece and Italy both ancient and now modern to see that. We should have the debate and I think that given what is occuring in Europe, Romney can win the debate.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-09-18 07:22:51

Romney is being ridiculed in the above article just for saying that he cannot win that debate.

Do you think that our country might collapse because half the people do not pay income tax?

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 07:23:56

Which half don’t pay income tax? The 47% half, or the 1% half?

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2012-09-18 07:45:23

‘Which half don’t pay income tax’

I think there is some mixed discussions here. What the topic of the day is how this plays into electoral college politics. There’s a bigger problem that should concern us all:

‘The nonpartisan and highly respected Tax Policy Center…found that about half of the households that do not pay federal income tax do not pay it because they are simply too poor. The Tax Policy Center gives as an example a couple with two children earning less than $26,400 a year: The household would pay no federal income tax because its standard deduction and other exemptions would simply erase its liability.’

‘The other half, the Tax Policy Center found, consists of households taking advantage of tax credits and other provisions, mostly support for senior citizens and low-income working families.’

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/reasons-behind-people-pay-no-125604101.html

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 08:17:45

Romney is being ridiculed in the above article just for saying that he cannot win that debate.

Just? Romney is being ridiculed in the above article just for saying that he cannot win that debate?

That’s just what you took out of what Romney said?

I think you’re missing about 90% of what Romney was saying and implying.

 
Comment by Bad Andy
2012-09-18 08:27:40

…tax credits and other provisions…

 
Comment by goon squad
2012-09-18 08:33:48

Darn those pesky facts, Ben. They distract from the welfare queens driving Escalades meme.

$26,400? Why does that number sound so familiar? Because that’s just a hair above the $500/week incomes that half this country’s workers earn.

That’s gotta be some high, high living right there. Life at $26,400 must be one big party?

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-09-18 08:35:33

Actually my take away on the article was that Romney is a clueless and out of touch with the way the rest of us live as Mr. Obama or Mr. Bush!

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2012-09-18 09:31:46

‘They distract from the welfare queens driving Escalades meme’

What matters to me is that wages have been falling for decades, and neither party seems to care. Democrats have played just as big a role in off-shoring jobs. And what’s Obama’s plan to get us out of this tail spin? Oh yeah, refinance FB’s and hold houses off the market.

Nothing that I see the Democrats doing will turn this around. They sold out the working class.

Then there’s the spooky stuff with civil liberties. And whistle-blowers:

‘ Roark, Drake and Binney still contend that the collection of domestic personal data is widespread and goes on unabated, as exemplified in The Washington Post’s “National Security Inc,” and more recently, James Bamford’s chilling Wired report last March about NSA’s newest data storage facility in Utah (which the NSA has denied). In July, Binney took the stage at the DefCon hacker conference and challenged NSA Director Gen. Keith Alexander’s claims that the agency does not maintain files on Americans. He dramatically describes the current NSA program Stellar Wind, a Trailblazer legacy, in the aforementioned Poitras documentary.’

‘More recently, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) sued the government over its refusal to divulge information about its violations of the 2008 FISA Act. Such information would indicate the extent to which the government continues to secretly monitor Americans without warrant. This apparent obstruction has caused Sen. Ron Wyden, R-Wyo., to put a hold on the Senate’s vote to reauthorize the FISA Act (which expires in December). The House just passed its own measure to extend the act on Sept. 13.’

“It is very frightening,” said Roark, who is now suing the government to get her computer and other property taken in the 2007 raid, returned.’

“I am very worried about our future — like Bill (Binney) said, it is ‘turnkey totalitarianism’ — you collect all this information, and you can go after anybody you want. Looking at the way they concocted this false case against us. It doesn’t have to mean you’ve done anything wrong, you just have to do something they don’t like.”

http://original.antiwar.com/vlahos/2012/09/17/diane-roark-talks-nsa-retribution/

 
Comment by Ryan
2012-09-18 09:49:49

“What matters to me is that wages have been falling for decades, and neither party seems to care. Democrats have played just as big a role in off-shoring jobs. And what’s Obama’s plan to get us out of this tail spin? Oh yeah, refinance FB’s and hold houses off the market.”

It’s clear neither party is here to help. Or more to the point, neither party has any plans of correcting the course. There would be a lot of tough and unpopular decisions to be made. Clearly, with as polarized as our politics are now, this is not meant to be.

In reality one side play the other. The politicians use the two-party platforms to play the public like a set on bongo drums. So what is the other alternative to bring about change?

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2012-09-18 10:27:38

‘what is the other alternative to bring about change’

It’s hard to say, but one clue might be from todays post:

‘Vietnam’s one-party Communist government has promised reforms, but it appears unwilling to give up the reins of an economy that has delivered fortunes to top officials and heir business partners. House prices have crashed by up to 50 percent in some places from the boom years and jobs are reportedly drying up. Many analysts remain skeptical the government has the will to fully clean up.’

‘Can you separate political influence from economics? Until you can, you are not going to get reforms,’ said Carlyle Thayer, an expert on Vietnam from the University of New South Wales. ‘It’s a pessimistic view, but if the bankers are friends with the higher-ups, then implementation will be difficult.’

http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/index.html

And BTW, Asia, India and Australia are going over the falls.

 
Comment by Ryan
2012-09-18 10:56:12

“Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes the laws.”

-You Know Who.

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-09-18 11:40:12

Political influence and economics will NEVER be separated and never have. That would be like trying to separate wet from water.

Next.

 
Comment by Ryan
2012-09-18 11:55:37

True. Why would millionaires and zillionaires sign up for jobs that pay only a paltry 1 to 200k? I’m guessing it’s the “benefits”?

 
Comment by sfrenter
2012-09-18 11:56:01

a couple with two children earning less than $26,400 a year

Who here thinks this family ought to be paying more in taxes? Please explain your rationale.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 12:11:56

“-You Know Who.”

Voldemort?

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2012-09-18 12:31:09

To have some skin in the game? To know that there’s no free lunch?

Same rules and reasons for the 1%’ers too.

BTW, your example couple not only pays NO income tax, they get about $3,000 in EITC back. However, they gotta pay someone a few hundred bucks to do their tax returns ‘cuz it’s become so damn complicated. Fortunately, rather than waiting five or six weeks for the money they can get an immediate refund from their friendly tax preparer if they don’t mind paying an APR for the loan that’s well up into double digits.

http://www.eitc.irs.gov/central/abouteitc/ranges/

 
Comment by jbunniii
2012-09-18 14:53:29

a couple with two children earning less than $26,400 a year

I absolutely think they should pay some income tax, just as any single person with no children earning the same income would do. Our tax code certainly shouldn’t encourage people on low incomes to have children.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-09-18 16:27:32

Our tax code certainly shouldn’t encourage people on low incomes to have children.

I happen to agree, for people of all incomes, but I find myself wondering if people on low incomes have children for this reason. I’m guessing they, like most people, just have children.

Are they really thinking “What will we save on our taxes if this sticks?” while tossing their gametes at each other?

 
Comment by sfrenter
2012-09-18 17:07:44

To have some skin in the game? To know that there’s no free lunch?

Heard this on Marketplace while driving home today:

Kai Ryssdal: Any guesses as to the Marketplace number of the day today?

Yep — 47. The percentage of Americans paying no income taxes that Mitt Romney was caught talking about on tape. The news that broke last night has brought the tax code — in all its local, state and federal complexities — back into focus. Because federal or not, virtually all Americans pay plenty taxes every single day.

From Washington, Marketplace’s David Gura gets us going.

David Gura: Most of us pay taxes as soon as we wake up.

Jeremy Hobson: From APM, in New York, I’m Jeremy Hobson, and this is the Marketplace Morning Report.

Thomas Cooke teaches accounting at Georgetown.

Thomas Cooke: You go to brush your teeth and use the soap. Well, all that stuff was taxed. Then, I’m driving into work and I need to get gasoline. Oh boy, that’s a heavy state tax.

Taxes are a part of my morning routine. My newspaper is taxed, and on the way to work, I go to K Street Café and Bagel.

Gura: Can I get a small coffee, please?

Cashier: Sure.

That’s on the menu for $1.65. But with D.C.’s 10 percent sales tax…

Cashier: That is $1.81.

Cooke: There is very few people out there you can flat-out say are not paying any taxes.

Thomas Cooke rattles off a list of taxes:

Cooke: There’s a federal gift tax. There’s a federal estate tax. There is a real estate tax we pay annually on our property.

And it goes on. Taxes follow me all the way to work.

Andrew Parsons: Hey, David. Good morning.

Gura: How’s it going, Andrew?

Where I’m hit with a big tax as soon as I clock in. Tax attorney Clint Stretch reminds me that, along with the payroll tax, there are state and federal withholdings.

Clint Stretch: The Social Security tax that everybody pays if they work is quite substantial.

Thomas Cooke, at Georgetown, points out the federal tax rate isn’t as high as it used to be.

Cooke: But when you start adding in all these other taxes, it’s clear that there is a large number of people that are paying in excess of 50 percent of their income in taxes in some way, shape or form.

 
Comment by jbunniii
2012-09-18 17:26:14

Are they really thinking “What will we save on our taxes if this sticks?” while tossing their gametes at each other?

No, I’m sure that’s not the case in general, although you can probably find a few oddballs who behave like this, just as you can find people who believe Elvis is still alive.

Nonetheless, giving tax breaks encourages/subsidizes the behavior, even if only after the fact. We should eliminate these tax breaks at all income levels. Taxpayers already foot the bill for public education and many other freebies for people with children. At some point, enough is enough.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 18:56:59

“$26,400? Why does that number sound so familiar? Because that’s just a hair above the $500/week incomes that half this country’s workers earn.”

This gets to what I find truly fascinating about Romney: He is completely out of touch with U.S. economic reality. We are on the way to Third World status, yet somehow he has the misguided impression that we are growingly affluent.

His handlers are failing him miserably. Got cluelessness?

Romney defines ‘middle-income’ as $200,000 to $250,000 and less in annual income

Charles Dharapak/Associated Press - Republican presidential candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney arrives in Islip, on Long Island, NY, Thursday, Sept. 13, 2012.
By Associated Press, Published: September 14

BOSTON — Mitt Romney is promising to reduce taxes on middle-income Americans.

But how does he define “middle-income”? The Republican presidential nominee defined it Friday as income of $200,000 to $250,000 a year and less.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 19:01:00

“And BTW, Asia, India and Australia are going over the falls.”

I know it’s early to propose a weekend topic, but while I am thinking about it, how about a discussion of the impact on the U.S. economy of Asia, India and Australia going over the falls with absolute zero coverage in the U.S. MSM.

Could the impact of this development take the impact of a “black swan” which “nobody could have seen coming” once it hits home?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-09-18 20:20:10

A family making only 20 should have some skin in the game? They nothing BUT skin in the “game”. ALL of it.

Blood, sweat and tears, too.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-09-18 20:21:59

“26K” doh.

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2012-09-18 08:30:21

if you look at when the USA had its biggest expansion, it was
when the top 20% was taxed at high rates ,we were major exporters ,we had boundaries ,Wall Street /Banks were put in their nice regulatory place for most part ,and rah rah the
USA worker was king ,helped no doubt by cheap oil . The medical system didn’t consume this high of a percentage of a persons income ,and the big Pharma business wasn’t writing 4 billion prepsciptions ( people use to be able to live without being on a bunch of Pharma drugs ).

The USA worker didn’t have to worry about competing with
World slave labor and China was that commie country that
was isolated with way to many people .USA workers could actually create a small business that could thrive and the worker gained with ever increasing workers rights for a number of decades .This was a time in which we knew what was American Corporations and speculation in the Stock Market resulted in growth in the USA .

What protection does Americans have anymore ? You can’t even be assured that if you get a college education in something that it won’t be outsourced .Globalism at its worse that is designed to enrich few hands while life is downgraded to how to exploit the worker on a global level while industry
goes anywhere it can pollute and have no regulations .

Now the Stock Market speculation creates starvation in many places in the world and bubbles are created by flows of money ,not true value or need .

The thiefs that hijacked America need to be put back in their place because they aren’t fooling anyone with their rigged decks and casino games that are designed to take the money and run and leave the people in ruin .

And you got a guy who wants to be President that thinks that the answer lie in taxing the downtrodden more and cutting
aid to the losers of the rigged system that he was so skilled at taking the 200 million for himself and running . The Political elite that run the Country and much of the World are madhatter pieces of sh@t that have the potential to reek
major damage ,actually they already have .

It is really a outrage to hear a presidential hopeful bitch about what the poor are getting ,as if his 13% tax rate on millions was just so unfair ,rather than rigged . He knows that more taxes are needed ,but it better come from somewhere other than from his elite group and the thieves that hijacked America . Make the people think they are losers ,rather than victims ,and they better give up their crumbs because the elite are entitled to more . What a joke .

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Comment by measton
2012-09-18 10:24:03

Nice summary

Seriously I’ll bet his real effective tax rate is much less than 13% because he’s been able to put 100,000,000 dollars in an IRA, something none of us could do even if we had 100,000,000 dollars. He has overseas accounts as well. I’ll bet his real effective tax rate is less than most working people in the US particularly when you factor in payroll taxes state taxes and fees. Of course the triple G crowd(god,guns, and gays), many of whom are in that 47% he insulted will still vote for him.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-09-18 13:27:07

Actually my take away on the article was that Romney is a clueless and out of touch with the way the rest of us live as Mr. Obama or Mr. Bush!

FWIW, Obama was not a child of privilege like the other two. I recall reading an article narrating Obama’s trip to a DNC (before he became a Senator). One of his CC’s that he was using to rent a car was maxed out. So at least in that regard, he might be able to relate to some J6Packs, maybe even our buddy DJ in New York.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-09-18 16:17:37

many of whom are in that 47% he insulted will still vote for him.

And complain loudest about the 47%.

See also: Larry Craig

 
 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-09-18 07:16:07

I wonder how many in the audience of Mitt’s fundraiser paid no income taxes. Many of the wealthy don’t. Nor do their kids and grandkids in college. Nor do many retirees. Not to mention the white underclass, that sucks heavily on the gov teat, but loves its guns ‘n’ god.

Are they all voting Democrat?

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-09-18 07:45:41

More are probably inclined to than were earlier.

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Comment by salinasron
2012-09-18 07:58:05

” Not to mention the white underclass, that sucks heavily on the gov teat, but loves its guns ‘n’ god.”

This is the crap that pissssses me off with America today. Talk about who pays or doesn’t pay taxes, ok. Why do you stoop to bring in “xxxxx” underclass, or guns or god, why stop there? How about old, black, hispanic, gay, wino, hooker, druggie, J6P, etc. This is the problem with America right now especially–divide into groups and foster hate between groups.It’s a shame that HBB has come to this but maybe that’s what happens when one group can’t afford what another group is willing to work for.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-09-18 08:11:36

Talk about who pays or doesn’t pay taxes, ok. Why do you stoop to bring in “xxxxx” underclass, or guns or god, why stop there? How about old, black, hispanic, gay, wino,

Because the implication is always that it’s deadbeat minorities who aren’t paying federal income taxes.

I think it’s important to point out- in the interest of accuracy- that it’s also college students, retirees, rich people, and poor white people who often pay no federal income taxes as well.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 08:32:48

that’s what happens when one group can’t afford what another group is willing to work for.

You drank the kool-aid or don’t want to face the facts. Most people who “pay no taxes” and who are not retired ARE WORKING.

So you implying one group is not “willing to work” is right-wing propaganda bunk.

 
Comment by Salinasron
2012-09-18 09:06:09

How in the hell did you get that out of what I said? Any statement in your world seems to come down to right-wing propaganda. You seem to have in medical terms a case of analcephalic compaction. Willing to work for does not mean just physical work, it means to stop winning and spinning words but put your empty words into actions to achieve a goal and to do that you will have to plan and sacrifice.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 10:08:36

How in the hell did you get that out of what I said?

By reading it? It’s not my fault if you didn’t express your thoughts clearly.

“Talk about who pays or doesn’t pay taxes……that’s what happens when one group can’t afford what another group is willing to work for.”

It sounds like the right-wing, spoon fed propaganda on AM radio and it is false.

Again: Most people who “pay no taxes” and who are not retired ARE WORKING, they are not whining and they are sacrificing every day. .

So you implying one group is not “willing to work” or plan or sacrifice is straight out of AM radio.

(But thanks for the diagnosis! I’ll drink some buttermilk and call you in the morning) :)

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-09-18 11:45:14

“Most people who “pay no taxes” and who are not retired ARE WORKING, they are not whining and they are sacrificing every day.”

Exactly. Many are working 2 JOBS.

HALF OF THE ENTIRE US WORKFORCE makes $500 a week or less. Half=? (you can do this)

Tried living on that lately? (that was good money… 20 years ago)

 
 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-09-18 08:23:41

That, of course, is a pure lie. Everybody that makes money over the “poverty level” pays taxes.
They may be able to “write off” a sizeable portion, but they still pay taxes.
The MILLIONS that Romney paid are considered unfair, because he paid a smaller percentage than many middle class working people, even though he paid much, much more than everyone else.
I don’t agree with all the ‘write-offs’ and special exemptions. I support a fair tax. EVERYBODY PAYS.
It will never happen because the entitlement crowd will say its UNfair for them to pay anything if someone making more money only pays the same percentage.

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2012-09-18 08:57:06

When you have a Society in which the prices are rigged by
monopolies or specualtion ,than the poor use every penny they have just to survive with food and shelter . Have you taken a look at the cost of living ? Add to this that the elite think that they can take the jobs away and create a
under class,or a middle class that can’t get anything but low-paying jobs ,and than they bitch about that class that lost opportunity for advancement not paying enough taxes .

The Elite think that these poor people should be living in the forest in tents because they should be paying more in taxes ,and in spite of the elite not providing good paying jobs ,the poor should pay more so the few hands can have the opportunity to make millions and even billions more .
And its a outrage to them that people want their entitlements they were promised because they should be willing to starve ,so the elite can buy one more mansion .

In their isolated Ivory Tower Worlds the Elite look at people like they are ants and they have lost all humanity
in favor of greater profits for them. They aren’t nice people and they are a Nationsl security problem because they could throw us into World War three against the peoples will .They are the Madhatters ,not the people .

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 01:10:53

Hunt: Romney Infighting Shows Alarming Disarray

Sept. 17 (Bloomberg) — Bloomberg’s Al Hunt discusses the problems facing Mitt Romney and the finger-pointing within his presidential campaign. (Source: Bloomberg)

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-09-18 07:44:28

Recall that, in 2008, the Hillary Clinton campaign resembled an ongoing squabble. McCain’s campaign was a classic example of something that started out in a mess and just got worse.

By contrast, the Obama for America organization was very well run and relatively free of the infighting that plagued the other two campaigns. It also had a “no a$$hoL3″ rule, and that came directly from Barack Obama his own self.

And guess who won the election. Organization and cohesion count for a lot.

Comment by butters
2012-09-18 08:05:54

By contrast, the Obama for America organization was very well run and relatively free of the infighting that plagued the other two campaigns. It also had a “no a$$hoL3″ rule, and that came directly from Barack Obama his own self.

Utter BS and Utter nonsense. Obama campaign has same infighting the other campaigns do. But they don’t get reported. Anything that looks negative is played down or hidden completely by the media. That’s the truth. The whole thing about Romney bad news is played aloud even if there’s none. It’s the oldest trick in the book and it helps because 90% of media is either democrats or democratic leaning.

The bottom line is MSM and Democrats concluded that Obama presidency is a failure and can’t win on his “records.” The only way to do is to destroy Romney personally. We will see how this thing will turn out. Personally I still think Romney wins as my friends who voted Obama last election will not vote Obama this time around. No amount of lies from the media will change that.

As for me I will vote for Johnson or stay home. Actually thinking of a trip abroad during the election time.

Comment by Jingle Male
2012-09-18 14:23:24

Obama shuts down the infighting. When the “guns and religion” quote made the media in 2008, the Obama campaign staff started to crudify the bundler who set upthe event where the quote was recorded.

Obama got his team on a conference call with the bundler and Obama told them “If anyone is to blame for this stupidity, it is I. No one else said the words. No one else is to bear this burden so all you get back to work and leave it alone.”

I heard it from the a party on the call.

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Comment by I blame progressives
2012-09-18 14:56:10

So he is kind of a “buck stops here” progressive. Wow, that makes me feel much better. I guess I should just welcome his fundamental transformation of America.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-09-18 14:56:53

Or, as Harry Truman said, The Buck Stops Here.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 15:43:20

I guess I should just welcome his fundamental transformation of America.

Why not. We’re enjoying your fundamental transformation of reality.

 
Comment by Jinglemale
2012-09-19 00:20:12

Ha, +1 Rio. Thank you

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-09-19 00:52:39

LOL to the point of ouch. Poor guy actually seems to think this is about his ideology.

 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-09-18 17:17:53

But they don’t get reported. Anything that looks negative is played down or hidden completely by the media. That’s the truth.

Interesting approach here, butters. In the discussion above, you get defensive about a claim that Rasmussen could be playing with the numbers but here, curiously, you claim the media does the same in squelching campaign issues, only this time calling it the truth.

Perhaps the real truth is that we see what we want to see.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 10:16:21

“Organization and cohesion count for a lot.”

Yep. Good decision making and management skills…

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-09-18 11:32:45

Good decision making and management skills…

Things that “businessman” Romney was supposed to be good at, but has been showing little aptitude for, thus far.

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Comment by ecofeco
2012-09-18 20:33:02

Well, he has good aptitude for destroying a bank.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bain_%26_Company

 
 
 
Comment by Darrell in Phoenix
2012-09-18 11:37:44

but which came first?

Rising poll numbers means no infighting? Or no infighting causes rising poll numbers?

I think that falling poll numbers goes a long way to creating a lot of infighting.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 01:27:01

Video: SNL Mocking of Romney/Ryan Could Spell Trouble for His Campaign
by Bryan Schott
09/17/2012

The season premier of Saturday Night Live featured a relaxed Barack Obama because his campaign has a “secret weapon” to help him win the election…Mitt Romney.

Jay Pharoah’s Barack Obama tells the camera he’s not worried about the about the election, but he should be. Why not? Mitt Romney’s inability to connect with voters and Paul Ryan’s perceived troubles with facts.

This is the kind of thing that could be dangerous for Romney as we head into the home stretch of the campaign. Most voters really aren’t paying attention to the day-to-day news coming from the campaign. Shows like Saturday Night Live and The Daily Show can shape conventional wisdom about political candidates among low-information voters.

If the opening skit from this season is any indication, Romney could be in trouble.

Comment by palmetto
2012-09-18 06:14:17

I saw that. I loved the subtitle under Romney’s photo: “What a dick!”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 06:36:12

It’s noteworthy that this article appeared in a hometown (Utah) newspaper. Apparently the whole world now realizes the sad reality about Mitt: He’s politically tonedeaf-and-dumb.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-09-18 06:45:03

That’s being far too polite.

He’s a corporate raider who sent jobs to Chindia, dodged taxes, and lied to the SEC.

He IS the problem.

Comment by palmetto
2012-09-18 06:47:25

What a dick!

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Comment by Robin
2012-09-18 17:41:42

Palmy,

Do you really believe Romney is the personification of the division between the classes?

I do!

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 06:50:25

Be that as it may; I see nothing here that a little revisionist history set forth by highly-paid Republican propagandists couldn’t fix.

Mitt’s problem is political tonedeafness-and-dumbness. And his handlers haven’t helped matters much, either…

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Comment by Blue Skye
2012-09-18 06:57:39

“He IS the problem”

Beg your pardon, but that is illogical. Our problem manifested itself before “He” was even around. Do you imagine that eliminating “Him” would make our problem go away? I know a lot of people who think Clinton was the problem, and many who say Obama is the problem.

We will never find a solution to The Problem being stupid about defining it.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-09-18 07:26:22

What’s The Problem?

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-09-18 07:28:50

Bain Capital. Ever heard of it? Google it. The Wiki it.

He IS the problem.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-09-18 08:15:00

He IS the problem.

But Blue was talking about The Problem, not the problem. I was curious what the difference was.

 
Comment by oxide
2012-09-18 10:19:40

Blue, turkey is(?) referring to an Obama campaign commercial called “Firms,” from a couple months back. The commercial showed pix of shuttered American factories and beauty shots of Switzerland and tropical islands, with text stating how Mitt offshored jobs an stashed money in foreign accounts. At the end, the text was “he is not the answer; he’s the problem.”

The point is that, while the attitude of profit-before-people has been around for millenia, Mitt joyfully joined in.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-09-18 17:30:25

Thanks for the heads up Oxy. I am not saddled with a TV set.

I’ve watched the offshoring for decades with disgust. I left an early high tech job after 5 years as a chief process engineer because they assigned me to run a startup in Asia, and it was my neighbors’ jobs which would be gone. It happened, but without my help.

I’ve always thought that the off shoring could and would be reversed, when people woke up. Hasn’t happened, maybe close. I don’t think that is THE PROBLEM.

 
 
Comment by butters
2012-09-18 07:57:56

and lied to the SEC.

Where’s the proof? How come Obama SEC is not prosecuting him. Obama doesn’t look good either.

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Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-09-18 11:53:43

The better question is why didn’t BUSH’S SEC prosecute?

The one thing new we saw in the Globe story was the assertion that “Romney’s state financial disclosure forms indicate he earned at least $100,000 as a Bain ‘executive’ in 2001 and 2002, separate from investment earnings.” But then we realized we had already reviewed those documents in January. The 2001 form describes him as a “former executive” (see page 1 of form A-5) — the campaign says this was retirement pay — but the 2002 form says “executive.” ”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/do-bain-sec-documents-suggest-mitt-romney-is-a-criminal/2012/07/12/gJQAlyPpgW_blog.html

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2012-09-18 17:09:52

You hit it right on the nose who Rommy is Turkey lurkey.I don’t care what anyone says ,what a person has done in their life is a reflection of what they really are .

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Comment by palmetto
2012-09-18 06:46:21

Yes, but, how the heck did he ever get elected in Massachusetts?

Oh, right, he wasn’t advised by Team Rove.

There’s nothing old palmy enjoys more than a good conspiracy theory. After reading the Vanity Fair article on Rove, and then reading all this stuff about Romney’s campaign and the infighting, etc., it really does look more and more to me as if all this is being done deliberately. My question is, is Romney aware of it and going along, or not?

As one political pundit said in the article, there’s the Democratic Party, and then there’s Karl Rove.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 06:52:50

“Oh, right, he wasn’t advised by Team Rove.”

Biggest mistake in the history of presidential politics: A wealthy centrist Republican politician unnecessarily goes out of his way to court the extremist Republican base…

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Comment by palmetto
2012-09-18 07:17:26

This article is absolutely fascinating.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/09/karl-rove-gop-craig-unger

I detect Rove’s fine hand behind the marginalization of Ron Paul and the tactics of changing the rules on the convention floor. Even right down to the nastiness of convention goers name calling the Paul supporters.

I also recall reading an article years ago that Rove more or less told Mel Martinez, who was perfectly happy at HUD at the time, to run for the Senate in Florida. No ifs, ands or buts. And Rove’s dirty tactics were used to destroy any competition from within the party, most notably Bill McCollum, who was Jeb’s boy and this caused a bit of discomfort between the brothers Bush. I’ve always wondered what spurred Martinez’s resignation from the Senate.

So I’m very curious if Romney is aware he’s being scuttled and is going along with it (and what’s in it for him) or if he’s clueless or if he is aware and helpless to do anything.

As I mentioned in another post on another day, Rove’s long game would be to get Jeb elected in 2016.

 
 
 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-09-18 08:35:41

It just shows what a dream world you live in. Hometown newspaper? There aren’t any.
There was an article here yesterday in my local rag about how 16 of the “local” papers, in Gainesville, Ocala, Bradenton, Orlando, and other locations around the State of Florida were being sold by the NEW YORK TIMES to some other conglomerate.

The “media” have been bought up for decades into small groups with different names. They are managed to provide a “national consensus”.
That is why they support democrats 80% of the time.
They are not “news” organizations. They are propaganda machines to support their political party. If they were representative of the PEOPLE, they would be more split, like the Country between D’s and R’s. They are not.

 
Comment by Jingle Male
2012-09-18 14:26:10

He is “W” all over again.

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-09-18 07:02:54

Paul Ryan’s perceived troubles with facts.

And he’s at it again! We already know that:

V.P. candidate bragged to Hugh Hewitt about his marathon running, claiming he’d run the 26.2-mile race in “under three [hours], high twos. I had a two hour and fifty-something. … I was fast when I was younger, yeah.”

Of course, we now know that was a lie. As Runner’s World discovered, Ryan’s time was 4:01:25, and as a Ryan spokesman admitted, it was his one and only marathon. He was 20 when he ran it, and yet he still would have lost to a 40-ish Sarah Palin.

But now we hear:

another, equally outrageous claim: That Ryan has 6 percent body fat. This was endlessly repeated at the time of his selection—trumpeted in headlines (both here and abroad) and even in editorial-page cartoons.

Here’s who else maintains 6 to 8 percent body fat: Olympic 100-meter sprinters, that’s who. Also, world-class boxers, wrestlers, and marathoners, according to this study of elite American athletes. Top collegiate swimmers look pretty fit, right? Well, they average out at a plump 9.5 percent, at least according to another study.

If his claim is to be believed—a Ryan spokesman did not respond to questions—he’s more along the lines of Tour de France cyclists who also get down around 8 or 9 percent to prepare for major races. According to Iñigo San Millan, a veteran cycling physiologist who has worked with numerous Tour de France teams, the lowest body fat he’s ever measured on a cyclist was 8.3 percent. That’s at peak fitness, racing shape.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/09/paul_ryan_claims_he_has_6_to_8_percent_body_fat_.html

Comment by butters
2012-09-18 07:26:58

Is it the best democrats can do? Honestly.

I mean since you can’t run on the “results”, right?

Comment by In Colorado
2012-09-18 07:55:22

I agree, why pick on Ryan’s athletic braggadocio when his proposed budget, which he claims is consistent with his Catholic faith, was condemned by the Church?

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Comment by Blue Skye
2012-09-18 08:23:01

The Whole Church? OMG!

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-09-18 08:37:22

Just saying that what his says doesn’t square with Church teaching, even though he claims that it does.

 
Comment by Montana
2012-09-18 09:02:14

Let us know when the encyclical comes out.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-09-18 09:20:43

FWIW, there have been more than a few Papal Encyclicals regarding the poor and social justice. IIRC, there was one that stated that the economy exists to serve the needs of the people, and not vice versa.

But I was thinking more about what the Catechism says.

 
Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2012-09-18 10:43:32

I agree. Who cares about his body fat or his marathon time. Maybe he remembers a ideal practice run instead of the real thing. We all rewrite our histories to some degree and remember things wrong. That makes us human not criminals. And if he thinks his body fat is one number and it’s another, maybe he had a bad test. Or maybe someone used those stupid calipers and the number was too low. I don’t care if a politician is wrong on his body fat.

If he says he never outsourced jobs overseas and did I want to know. If he says he supports the Constitution but belongs to a group working to overturn it I want to know. If he says he’s in the 31% tax bracket but actually pays 7% I want to know.

None of us are totally honest - often we are quite simply wrong when we say things we think are totally true. None of us remember everything we said and did. We need to stop the silly nitpicking and worry about the lies politicians knowing tell in order to get elected and for no other reason.

Being human is ok and we need to ease up all all public figures a bit.

Being a sociopathic liar to gain wealth and power at the expense of our nation is not.

Let’s worry about things that affect the second point.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2012-09-18 08:04:56

Pay no attention to the state of the economy, our foreign policy, the continuing wars, the budget deficit, and your college graduate offspring living in your basement.

Four more years! Four more years!

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Comment by Ryan
2012-09-18 11:00:13

The concern, just like the blame belongs somewhere else.

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-09-18 08:21:37

Is it the best democrats can do? Honestly.

No, I just find his need to lie about his athletic prowess interesting, and revealing. And quite humorous, too.

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-09-18 08:38:23

It could have been worse. At least he didn’t brag about his wood, or is that next?

 
Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2012-09-18 10:44:43

“No, I just find his need to lie about his athletic prowess interesting, and revealing. And quite humorous, too.”

Yeah, ’cause no other guy has ever done that.

And let’s not even look at how bad men are at measuring. :D

 
Comment by rms
2012-09-18 11:45:08

“It could have been worse. At least he didn’t brag about his wood, or is that next?”

T I M B E R !

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 15:51:45

Is it the best democrats can do?

Pointing out a serial liar with evidence ain’t doin’ too badly.

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Comment by 2banana
2012-09-18 08:06:00

In 4 years - SNL has yet to make fun of obama.

There sure is plenty of material but they can not seem to write a script about any of it.

What great artists. What great supporters of the first amendment. What daring comedic skills.

FAIL.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-09-18 09:18:06

So SNL sucks? Tell me something I don’t know.

Comment by I blame progressives
2012-09-18 14:57:52

I guess they suck and they are biased.

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-09-18 15:02:00

Which is why it sucks.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 15:55:46

SNL: I guess they suck and they are biased.

Of course they’re biased. There aren’t many ignorant comedians.

 
Comment by I blame progressives
2012-09-18 16:25:47

“Of course they’re biased. There aren’t many ignorant comedians.”

You are really going for it today. I have to call shenanigans on your comment. You have to admit that Whoopi Goldberg, Bill Maher and Janeane Garofalo are ignorant.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 16:45:55

You are really going for it today. I have to call shenanigans on your comment.

Good call. (For a change) :)

 
 
 
Comment by Robin
2012-09-18 18:00:51

Their last episode did, however, unless you are blind.

 
 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-09-18 04:39:33

“Renting won’t work here because rents will move up with general inflation, which is exactly what the Fed’s policy is creating.

Hope so… that is what I was betting on when I chose to be in thrall to a bank rather than a LL.”

Yes, when:

Wages go up.

The number of people with good paying jobs there goes up.

There is a shortage of housing. They aren’t making any more land and everybody wants to live there.

The price of food and gas goes down.

Pigs fly.

Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-09-18 04:42:34

Of course the typical response for this is “well, then we’re going to experience a dramatic decline in the standard of living”.

Neither is true. There is no inflation in the absence of rising wages. Therefore, excessively high prices of anything is temporary.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-09-18 06:48:15

“There is no inflation in the absence of rising wages.”

Did you just miss the last 5 years? Recession. High unemployment. High inflation. Low to no raises.

The decline of living standard has been ongoing for the last 30 years. The frogs no longer know they are being boiled alive.

Comment by Al
2012-09-18 07:23:54

“There is no inflation in the absence of rising wages.”

This is true in a closed economy with little change in aggregate supply and demand. Put another way, you need a relatively stable economy that is insulated from external shocks in order to have inflation affect all prices (including wages) in a similar manner.

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Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-09-18 07:29:58

“Did you just miss the last 5 years?”

Not at all. I watched crude fall from $150bb to $25. Isn’t it odd that happened? ;)

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Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-09-18 07:43:22

Yes and then under Obama go from around $35 a barrel to around $120. We didn’t need a rise in wages to get there.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-09-18 07:57:35

We didn’t need a rise in wages to get there.

Serial rounds of QE have been more than sufficient.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-09-18 09:50:52

“Serial rounds of QE have been more than sufficient.”

And there it is.

Of course the paid political pimps like “Dan” duck and weave from that reality.

 
Comment by oxide
2012-09-18 10:25:30

Dan isn’t a shill. He spends too much time on each well thought-out post — Koch or whoever wouldn’t get much bang for his posting buck on a small blog like HBB. A real paid shill would post talking points and run.

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-09-18 11:56:23

Price per gallon reached the highest ever in history under Bush.

This has been posted and proven here on this blog.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-09-18 13:33:59

Ya know…. Responding to a retard like Dan with more retarded black/white BS does what?

 
 
 
 
Comment by palmetto
2012-09-18 05:10:38

Blue Skye, how is autumn shaping up in your neck of the woods?

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-09-18 06:01:50

Palmy,

The sweet corn has been awsome, but it is just about done. First red leaves on the maple trees, stands out against the drought stressed brown.

There are more for sale signs than there were before I took the summer cruise. A friend of mine has had her house on the market for three years, off and on, with no serious offers. She has a signed deal now for more than she had it listed for before, closing in October.

Comment by palmetto
2012-09-18 06:11:35

Sounds lovely, I’ve always enjoyed the end of summer sweet corn and beefsteak tomatoes. Even better, the bright blue sky of Indian summer up north, with the hints of red and gold among the leaves.

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Comment by Muggy
2012-09-18 12:48:21

“up north”

Lalalalalalalalalala.

I can’t hear you guys.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-09-18 17:20:08

Grilled cheese and vine ripened tomato sandwiches Muggy.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-09-18 19:29:41

Romaine, pork belly and fresh tomato(with black pepper) on white….. TRUMPED!! ;)

 
 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2012-09-18 05:30:44

That’s happening in DC. People don’t “want” to live here, they have to live here because fed and contractor + plus some education are the only 10+ year careers that don’t get downsized or outsourced. Few are retiring, and of those who do retire few are moving. Those who do move stay in the area (55+, assisted living) and use the money to support liesure industries.

That supports a lot of lucky ducky. Aldi’s in Germantown (outer burb) just had a sign this weekend: Cashiers $11.50/hour, managers $15/hour. It doesn’t sound like much, but if you have two incomes, you can afford a two-bed apartment or a $150K condo with 3.5% down.

Homebuilding in the sticks is ramping back up again. The new apartments seem to be closer in urban infill. And sorry, but those new apartments are not dropping the price of existing stock; just keeping it level. There is still capacity to shack up to afford the rents and make high rent the new normal.

Gosh, I sound like one of Ben’s old Local Observation threads.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-09-18 06:54:18

$30hr household income should NOT be buying any RE. They shouldn’t even qualify.

$15hr mgr? Oxymoron.

Regarding apartments, I’m seeing the same thing where I live. New construction is not bringing the price of rents down and wages have not recovered form this last recession. Hell, they haven’t recovered from the last TWO recessions.

Comment by Bad Andy
2012-09-18 08:31:43

$60K per year beats the median.

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Comment by ecofeco
2012-09-18 20:43:51

But 30K per person does not.

 
 
Comment by samk
2012-09-18 10:16:35

“$30hr household income…shouldn’t even qualify.”

Why not?

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Comment by ecofeco
2012-09-18 20:53:11

Job insecurity over the last 30 guarantees that one them will lose their job for an indeterminate amount of time. 30k alone will not be enough to carry the monthly costs for anything but a short period of time.

30K per person also means they are below median and statistically not working at jobs that will provide advancement and therefore, raises.

You should never buy a house that can’t be paid for by one income. 30k isn’t enough.

 
Comment by samk
2012-09-19 05:04:13

RIF $30hr is not 30K.

 
 
 
Comment by goon squad
2012-09-18 07:11:09

People don’t “want” to live here

HA! You got that right.

And BTW, sequestration is a non factor in our shop. We are hiring! The squad eagerly awaits getting paid referral bonuses for poaching contractors from the old gig bringing them on board here :)

Comment by In Colorado
2012-09-18 08:00:58

Details? After my employer held back on raises, in spite of record profits, I might be interested.

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Comment by goon squad
2012-09-18 08:51:56

We’re not in IT and we don’t work for Lockheed, but they currently service some federal clients around Denver. Also don’t know if what it is you do up there in Broomfield would be a skill set for field office locations, may be translatable to metro DC only…

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-09-18 09:58:06

I’m in the Solaris group. I’m more of a bit twiddler than an IT guy.

 
 
 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2012-09-18 08:09:00

“…and of those who do retire few are moving. Those who do move stay in the area (55+, assisted living) and use the money to support liesure industries.”

Exceptions exist. Our new neighbors are former beltway bandits who recently retired and sold their Reston digs to move here.

 
 
Comment by goon squad
2012-09-18 06:05:34

Wages go up

Only for the PRODUCERS! Half of this country’s workers make less than $500/week. Welcome to the Recoveryless Recovery. Because the future belongs to Lucky Ducky!

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-09-18 07:02:12

This makes the 5th one in my lifetime.

It was depressing yesterday to see that I was making less than I was making in 1998 after adjusting for “official” inflation.

I don’t even want to think about real inflation.

Comment by goon squad
2012-09-18 07:24:44

Always such a Debbie Downer, aren’t we?

The squad’s entire adult working life has been defined by recession, fake “recoveries”, layoffs, Lucky Ducky contractor work, Fortune 500 employers who blatantly commit fraud and instruct employees to lie and steal from customers.

We learned early that the “American dream” is a myth and the Horatio Alger happy horsesh*t “work hard and get ahead” meme only applies to the offspring of the 1% or corporate sociopaths.

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Comment by Your Friendly Money Manager
2012-09-18 07:31:29

Solution? Work harder. Get another job if you have to. Maybe even get two other jobs.

Then send your money for me for handling.

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Comment by cactus
2012-09-18 14:43:12

Solution? Work harder. Get another job if you have to. Maybe even get two other jobs.”

no way! the solution is to buy foreclosures for no money down and flip them you can make 10-50K a month. I heard this on the radio! And they are giving the first 50 people who call free admission a 500 dollar value.

see we sent all OLD jobs over seas so now we can reinvent ourselves and the NEW economy by flipping homes, we get full employment, anyone can participate, money velocity goes way up. We can all be CEO’s now.

Plus we can paint the walls any color we want

 
Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2012-09-18 15:01:04

“And they are giving the first 50 people who call free admission a 500 dollar value.”

Sure would be fun to stack the audience with HBBers. :D

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Lip
2012-09-18 05:10:10

The Magnitude of the Mess We’re In

Did you know that annual spending by the federal government now exceeds the 2007 level by about $1 trillion? With a slow economy, revenues are little changed. The result is an unprecedented string of federal budget deficits, $1.4 trillion in 2009, $1.3 trillion in 2010, $1.3 trillion in 2011, and another $1.2 trillion on the way this year. The four-year increase in borrowing amounts to $55,000 per U.S. household.

The amount of debt is one thing. The burden of interest payments is another. The Treasury now has a preponderance of its debt issued in very short-term durations, to take advantage of low short-term interest rates. It must frequently refinance this debt which, when added to the current deficit, means Treasury must raise $4 trillion this year alone. So the debt burden will explode when interest rates go up.

Did you know that the Federal Reserve is now giving money to banks, effectively circumventing the appropriations process? To pay for quantitative easing—the purchase of government debt, mortgage-backed securities, etc.—the Fed credits banks with electronic deposits that are reserve balances at the Federal Reserve. These reserve balances have exploded to $1.5 trillion from $8 billion in September 2008.

The issue is not merely how much we spend, but how wisely, how effectively. Did you know that the federal government had 46 separate job-training programs? Yet a 47th for green jobs was added, and the success rate was so poor that the Department of Labor inspector general said it should be shut down. We need to get much better results from current programs, serving a more carefully targeted set of people with more effective programs that increase their opportunities.

President Obama’s budget will raise the federal debt-to-GDP ratio to 80.4% in two years, about double its level at the end of 2008, and a larger percentage point increase than Greece from the end of 2008 to the beginning of this year.

The problems are close to being unmanageable now. If we stay on the current path, they will wind up being completely unmanageable, culminating in an unwelcome explosion and crisis.

The fixes are blindingly obvious. Economic theory, empirical studies and historical experience teach that the solutions are the lowest possible tax rates on the broadest base, sufficient to fund the necessary functions of government on balance over the business cycle; sound monetary policy; trade liberalization; spending control and entitlement reform; and regulatory, litigation and education reform. The need is clear. Why wait for disaster? The future is now.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303561504577497442109193610.html

Is there any doubt that we “have a spending problem” in the US?

Comment by goon squad
2012-09-18 07:02:28

Food stamps and labor unions are bankrupting this country!

 
Comment by rms
2012-09-18 07:49:14

“The Fed’s policy of keeping interest rates so low for so long means that the real rate (after accounting for inflation) is negative, thereby cutting significantly the real income of those who have saved for retirement over their lifetime.”

Joe Sixpack is short a few bottles.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-09-18 08:02:34

Those F-35s aren’t cheap.

Comment by b-hamster
2012-09-18 08:48:58

Yeah, and the huge successes of our military justifies a trillion-dollar budget with 700+ bases in 120-something countires. Cut everything and anything - just don’t touch the war machine.

Comment by goon squad
2012-09-18 09:02:46

And more importantly, the for-profit, private sector, contractor employees who make the war machine possible (and profitable)!

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Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-09-18 08:48:30

The amount of debt is one thing. The burden of interest payments is another. The Treasury now has a preponderance of its debt issued in very short-term durations, to take advantage of low short-term interest rates. It must frequently refinance this debt which, when added to the current deficit, means Treasury must raise $4 trillion this year alone. So the debt burden will explode when interest rates go up.

Leave it to the Wall Street Journal to misinterpret the whole scenario. We don’t have a problem.
WE have a “new paradigm”.
Whatever debts there are, whatever bills need to be paid, the FEDERAL RESERVE will PRINT MORE MONEY.
They will also keep interest rates at ZERO, so paying back any debts with newly printed money is not a problem. And who really cares about the interest rate. No matter the size of the Bill, there is no amount of money the FED cannot conjure.
Zimbabwe showed us the use of 100,000 bills as daily currency and produced, I believe the first billion dollar note to pass around to buy groceries.
Think Krugman. Think Bernanke, Larry Summers, Geithner, Immanuel, Robert Rubin and the Gang of Crooks in the Money printing rackets (with Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan, CitibaNK, BankAm, etc, as co-conspirators).
Whatever it takes we can print it. And the Banksters get to skim off a “percentage”. It’s great.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 16:18:18

Is there any doubt that we “have a spending problem” in the US?
And a revenue problem. Tax the rich as we did during America’s most prosperous decades.

Comment by ecofeco
2012-09-18 21:05:10

Just creating more AND better paying jobs would also help increase the revenue without having to even increase taxes.

But the 1% want their cake and to eat it too.

 
 
 
Comment by palmetto
2012-09-18 05:30:33

Houses in the Hamptons for half a mil or less? Say it isn’t so!

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/16/realestate/the-hamptons-for-500000.html?_r=0

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-09-18 07:00:13

It’s their second home? And they’re only in their early 30s?

Young Romneys.

Comment by oxide
2012-09-18 10:56:42

Oh and they casually “put in a new kitchen and bath, doors and windows.” That’s about $75K right there. And the guy is a video editor? What kind of video is he editing? (don’t answer that.)

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-09-18 19:02:20

“It’s their second home? And they’re only in their early 30s?”

Yes, but lets put a few surfboards behind them for the photo. They’re rich, sure. But see the surfboards? They’re hip and edgy too!

 
 
 
Comment by palmetto
2012-09-18 05:34:24

I’m hearing good news about Chicago, folks! Not one incident of school violence in over a week! Awesome!

Comment by Ryan
2012-09-18 07:06:49

Things are looking up….er, Forward, I mean.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 05:55:05

Sept. 18, 2012, 6:43 a.m. EDT
Obama is stealing Wall Street from Romney
Commentary: It’s not about positions, issues or values
By David Weidner, MarketWatch

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — When it comes to U.S. presidential politics, lose Wall Street and you’ve lost the election.

Goodbye, Mitt.

It’s over.

I know, I know. Many of you are going to call me liberal patsy, a mouthpiece for President Obama. You’re going to say I’m in the tank, a Democratic hack. Blah, blah, blah.

Whatever. You can disagree with me, but you can’t argue with facts, and you can’t dispute history. If it were the other way around, I’d call it as such.

The fact is, Romney is behind.

And history shows that, as a presidential election nears, Wall Street — represented by the securities, banking, insurance and real-estate industries — tends to go with a winner.

This doesn’t mean that Romney, who made his career in private equity at Bain Capital, and Paul Ryan, who once championed turning a portion of our Social Security taxes over to personal investment accounts, aren’t more ideologically in line with the financial industry. They are.
Election 2012

It doesn’t mean that investors who support fiscally conservative principles have abandoned Romney in favor of Obama. They haven’t.

What it does mean is that Romney continues to trail in key races. He’s behind by at least five points in the critical swing states of Ohio, Florida and Virginia, according to a new round of polls. Wall Street wants to hedge its bets, buy some influence and be on the winning side. So, it has to make a choice: Support the loser or the winner.

Wall Street always goes with a winner.

It happened in 1996, 2000 and 2008. Presidents Clinton, Bush and Obama all saw a rush in contributions just before the election, according to Federal Election Commission data.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-09-18 07:49:53

If Romney loses Wall Street, he’s down to…how many Mormons are there in the US?

Comment by In Colorado
2012-09-18 08:09:29

According to wikipedia, about 8 million. While it didn’t specify, I suspect that less than half are adults.

 
 
Comment by butters
2012-09-18 07:53:57

This guy’s going to have a massive heart attack on election night.

 
Comment by Bad Andy
2012-09-18 08:37:12

You can’t be serious. Dukakis had a 17 point lead over Bush after the DNC in 1988. I wouldn’t dream of calling a winner, but polls are meaningless.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-09-18 08:43:55

But Dukakis wasn’t the incumbent, and he wasn’t running against Romney. Bush Senior’s cluelessness only came up at the supermarket checkout line. And unlike Romney, he had experience in diplomacy. And he never implied that half the population were parasitic leeches.

Comment by Bad Andy
2012-09-18 10:43:31

There was no incumbent Colorado. Being an incumbent isn’t all it’s cracked up to be when unemployment (official) is over 8%.

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-09-18 11:53:01

Yes, I know. But Bush Sr. was the incumbent VP and unlike Romney he had some cred.

 
Comment by butters
2012-09-18 13:42:18

unlike Romney he had some cred.

What cred W had? Or Obama for that matter?

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-09-18 15:00:02

W? None. Bush Sr served in the foreign service, in China.

 
 
 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 16:21:36

The fact is, Romney is behind.

Rasmussen has Romney up in Wyoming.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 05:56:42

Sept. 18, 2012, 8:00 a.m. EDT
Fed’s Evans: ‘This was the time to act’
By Greg Robb

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The Federal Reserve needed to launch another round of asset purchases given the problems facing the economy and the potential dangers lying ahead, said Charles Evans, the president of the Chicago Federal Reserve Bank on Tuesday. “It is essential to do as much as we can now to bolster the resiliency and vibrancy of the economy,” Evans said in a speech to a business group in Ann Arbor, Mich. The economy faces some “big risks” from the global slowdown and the U.S. fiscal policy stalemate, he said. Evans has been a strong proponent of additional Fed easing, and wanted the Fed to say it wouldn’t stop easing until the unemployment rate fell below 7%. While the Fed stopped short of setting any specific target, Evans said he supported the Fed action “wholeheartedly.” He argued that the Fed has taken “a strong step towards economic conditionality” by saying it would continue to purchase assets until there was significant improvement in the labor market. And the central bank language that it would keep rates near zero even after the economy strengthens should reassure investors and businesses that the Fed will not tighten prematurely, he added.

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-09-18 06:56:01

Still waiting for an answer:

Remind me again why it’s okay for companies, organizations and governments to maximize their profits, but not people?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 07:00:25

Whoever said people shouldn’t maximize their profits?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 07:01:58

Don’t forget that corporations are people.

P.S. Here is a prediction for one of the ‘outputs’ of the 2012 presidential campaign: A book full of Romneyisms…

Wait for it!

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 16:49:34

Whoever said people shouldn’t maximize their profits?

Anyone who is anti-labor? Any union-buster? Anyone who fights against collective-bargaining? Any Republican who is not referring to “producers” or shareholders?

“We have go compete!!”

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-09-18 07:03:15

Are dark forces preventing you from maximizing your profits?

Comment by butters
2012-09-18 07:07:00

It’s either Bush or Romney stopping her.

 
Comment by measton
2012-09-18 10:52:02

Industry has lobbying groups that lobby for entire sectors of the economy this includes government contractors. Why can’t workers do the same?

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 16:53:51

Are dark forces preventing you from maximizing your profits?

Not me but I was born lucky.

Most Americans face a harder time “maximizing their profits” evey year that goes by while every year that goes by the rich get richer and the middle-class gets the shaft.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-09-18 17:18:59

I was born lucky too I suppose, and stubborn, with a lot of can’t imagine why not and naturally going against the grain.

My dear fellows in the so-called middle class though, have just gone with the system and the promises that everything would work out for them. Mostly lazy and unimaginative, the class that is soft around the middle. I note many exceptions, but most of them don’t fit the middle pigeonhole.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 17:42:42

my dear fellows in the so-called middle class though, have just gone with the system and the promises that everything would work out for them. Mostly lazy and unimaginative,

Math and averages don’t support your opinion. Middle-class Americans work harder and longer than in most other countries and cultures. (When we have jobs)

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-09-18 18:36:19

You’re probably right about the Math, but I have sensed a change over time, a sliding down. Maybe it is I who am more observant of or sensitive to some things than I used to be.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 19:02:54

probably right about the Math, but I have sensed a change over time, a sliding down.

Probably because Americans (not born to wealth) have sensed a sliding down in opportunities the past 30 years.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-09-18 10:08:08

Remind me again why it’s okay for companies, organizations and governments to maximize their profits, but not people?

I said it yesterday and I’ll say it again today. The issue is not with people “maximizing their profits”. The issue is with Public Unions using collective bargaining to maximize their profits at the expense of the taxpayer.

You want to “maximize your profits”? Go work in the private sector… Don’t for a second think you can hold my children’s future hostage so you can negotiate pay raises, better benefits, and job security. If it were up to me, I would pull a Reagan and fire every last Chicago teacher.

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-09-18 12:08:48

An why are they more dangerous than trade groups that collude to poison/harm you and your children and raise your costs?

In other words, which is the greater danger?

Comment by Northeastener
2012-09-18 12:39:45

An why are they more dangerous than trade groups that collude to poison/harm you and your children and raise your costs?

I don’t have a problem with Unions in the private sector because there you have at least a veneer of market forces at work. Ex. GM union labor is too expensive vs competitors non-union labor, GM goes bankrupt.

For the most part, public unions think taxpayers are a never-ending source of funding and as such, constantly demand more, regardless of the ability of taxpayers to afford the cost (Chicago tax increases being a perfect example). Additionally, most private sector unions are in trades that do not adversely impact the majority of citizens. If the UAW goes on strike, well I can always buy a Honda or Toyota.

What do I do when the Teacher’s Union goes on strike and my children are out of school? Send them to private school? Nope. Admissions are generally in the spring. Essentially, public employees are a public service, meaning if they strike, they impact citizens directly. That is the power of the public union and that is what I find reprehensible.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2012-09-18 12:57:30

And you are not alone in your view…here is the text of a letter from FDR about the dangers of public sector unions.

http://www.conservativeblog.org/amyridenour/2011/2/19/text-of-fdr-letter-opposing-public-employee-government-union.html

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-09-18 13:24:28

Le me beg to differ…

I think unions were necessary because of people abuse, arbitrary discretion, favoritism…eg Norma Rae

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norma_Rae

So in some way a structure needs to be in place to handle such large quantity of employees. A union? maybe not anymore unions have outlived their usefulness, by shielding bad workers making it impossible to fire them.

If a union wants to be respected, they need to make it easy to fire bad people…3 strikes your out in 90 days….no rubber rooms no paid absences for a year while the case is “in the system”.

That would gain the public’s trust again…

 
 
 
Comment by measton
2012-09-18 12:27:48

Recently, the Pentagon released the list of its top 10 contractors for 2010, all which spent significant amounts of money lobbying Congress and contributing large sums to federal campaigns last year and in 2009.
Boeing—while only the second biggest contractor in terms of money received—spent the most money lobbying Congress between 2009 and 2010 at almost $35 million, according to the Sunlight Foundation’s Influence Explorer.
Northrop Grumman was second, spending $30 million.
The biggest contractor, Lockheed Martin, came in third for those same years spending $26 million lobbying.

sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2011/06/06/the-pentagons-big-contractors-lobby-big-and-get-in-big-trouble/

Comment by Northeastener
2012-09-18 12:50:07

My other post hasn’t shown yet, but here is my take on that. If the government wants to shut down a government contract, it gets shut down (or not renewed). If union labor at Boeing or Northrup Grumman goes on strike, it has no impact on the daily lives of the average citizen.

If the Air Traffic Controllers union goes on strike, the entire nation suffers. If the Teacher’s Union or Police Union goes on strike, the entire municipality suffers. See where I’m going with this?

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 16:56:11

You want to “maximize your profits”? Go work in the private sector…

Private sector wages and private sector benefits have been drifting down for 30 years while the 1% have gotten rich.

Maximize that.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 06:59:04

Soon you’ll zoom all around the room
All it takes is faith and trust
But the thing that’s a positive must
Is a little bit of pixie dust
The dust is a positive must
You can fly! You can fly!
You can fly! You can fly!

Here’s why everyone is so excited about what the Fed did yesterday
Posted by Ezra Klein on September 14, 2012 at 12:41 pm

I want to explain why everyone is so excited about what the Federal Reserve did yesterday. But I want to do it without using the words “quantitative easing,” because those words are almost designed to get you to give up and stop paying attention.

Imagine you got a choice of superpowers. You could be invisible, you could fly, you could be really strong, or you could create unlimited amounts of money. You might well choose the money one. The other ones are cool for a bit, but they’re not all that versatile, and they may well get you into trouble.

The best way to think about the Federal Reserve is that it basically has a superpower. It can create as much money as it wants. Real, American money.

And the Fed doesn’t need anybody’s permission. It’s not like when the president says he wants to do something, like the American Jobs Act, and you have to ask, “What does Congress think?” Or when John Boehner wants to pass something, and you have to ask, “Well, what does Harry Reid think?” Once the Board of Governors decides to move forward, they don’t need 60 votes in the Senate — they just do it. And that makes them incredibly powerful.

But, as Spider Man would say, with great power comes great responsibility. And so the Fed is very cautious in using its powers.

By law, it needs to try to keep unemployment and inflation low. Over the past two years or so, inflation has stayed low, and unemployment has been very, very high. But the Fed has not been doing all that much about it. It’s been hoping the situation would turn around of its own accord, or that Congress and the president would stop bickering and unleash more stimulus — anything so that the Fed didn’t have to further unleash its powers.

But it didn’t happen. And so, on Thursday, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke said the Fed had finally decided to do something about unemployment. Something big. Something that might actually work.

Comment by butters
2012-09-18 07:52:42

But the Fed has not been doing all that much about it.

Was this guy hiding in Afghan caves last four years? All Fed actions over the last 4 yrs have been done in the name of “yobs.”

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-09-18 12:10:01

Jobs? Yeah…

No CEO Left Behind.

 
 
Comment by cactus
2012-09-18 14:32:47

FLORHAM PARK, New Jersey (Reuters) - The U.S. Federal Reserve will closely monitor all corners of the ailing labor market and is willing to ramp up asset purchases if need be, an influential Fed official said on Tuesday in a broad defense of the central bank’s latest policy easing effort.

New York Fed President William Dudley said he is confident that any costs associated with the third round of quantitative easing, or QE3, announced last week are manageable and that the economy needed a “nudge in the right direction.”

Dudley, a close ally of Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke and a key barometer of the thinking inside the central bank, said he is watching for a “substantial” improvement in the U.S. labor market - meaning payroll growth must be supported by stronger economic growth, and a drop in unemployment cannot be due mainly to a falling participation rate.

“If the economy is weaker, we’ll do more” asset purchases, he said in prepared remarks to the Morris County Chamber of Commerce. “If the economy is stronger, and we see a substantial improvement in the outlook for the labor market sooner, we’ll end up doing less.”

Comment by aNYCdj
2012-09-18 18:56:14

Hmmmm how does $40 billion a month in asset purchases translate into getting my engine light to shut off?

ramp up asset purchases if need be,

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 07:11:31

Gollum Sux recommends QE3-fueled home builder stocks as a good bet.

Sadly, four-out-of-four of their recommendations are tanking today.

4 housing stocks Goldman likes
September 18, 2012, 9:35 AM

Goldman Sachs weighed in with a bullish note on the housing sector on Tuesday morning and pointed out its top four picks for clients given what the firm called the sector’s “long list of positives.”

Among the highlights from the note:

“Our confidence in our forecast for a 20-30% housing activity growth for each of the next few years has risen”

“The FHFA, the conservator for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, is clarifying, improving, and easing its representation and warranty procedures for lenders – this has been the biggest impediment to residential loan growth.”

“In addition to the important rep & warranty change, other policy measures like QE3 and the REO to Rental program have been positive for the housing market even as the precursors to a better demand recovery take hold”

“Home prices continue to improve, inventory remains low, and the risk of a major foreclosure wave is shrinking further.”

“Recent capital raises and a study of market share by MSA for our homebuilder coverage universe suggest that large public homebuilders should continue to take market share.”

“Our favorite stocks to take advantage of the improving housing market are (MDC -0.16%) (Americas Conviction List) MDC, KB Home (KBH -0.68%), PulteGroup (PHM -0.25%) and Toll Brothers (TOL -0.28%).”

-Greg Morcroft

Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-09-18 12:17:15

RUN! RUN AWAY!

 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-09-18 13:39:01

Unfortunately, the FHFA seems to want to degrade lending standards again, only requiring a loan stay current for 12 or 36 months, after which there will no threat of a buyback by the originator. Seems quite easy to game.

Mortgage Putback Threat Reduced for Lenders Under New Rules
By Clea Benson on September 11, 2012
Bloomberg

Under the new rules, the companies [fannie and freddie] won’t force lenders to repurchase defaulted loans if borrowers have made 36 months of consecutive on-time payments. Banks will be protected from buyback requests after only 12 months of payments for certain types of loans, such as those originated under the federal government’s Home Affordable Refinance Program, DeMarco said in the Raleigh, North Carolina, speech.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-09-10/fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac-to-begin-new-loan-review-system

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 07:13:24

Happy days are here again in the home building sector!

Sept. 18, 2012, 10:00 a.m. EDT
NAHB builders index hits 6-year high in September
By Steve Goldstein

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - Optimism from home builders climbed in September for the fifth straight month to reach the highest level in more than six years, according to a closely followed index released Tuesday. The National Association of Home Builders/Wells Fargo housing market index gained 3 points to a seasonally adjusted reading of 40, the highest the index has been since June 2006. Economists polled by MarketWatch anticipated a reading of 38. The index is still not at the 50 level indicating “good” conditions but has climbed from as low as 8 during the recession. The index didn’t even break 20 until December 2011.

Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-09-18 09:19:21

Considering there are 25-30 million excess empty houses, I’m not sure why there is any positive sentiment at all.

Comment by WT Economist
2012-09-18 12:43:12

They’re all in the wrong places and so poorly built they’re going to fall down. The builders know this. They’re the ones who put them up.

Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-09-18 13:14:02

Nonsense.

And worse yet, the excess empty housing condition is very good to excellent….. and right within commuting distance to NYC too.

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Comment by cactus
2012-09-18 14:30:32

invest in trailer parks

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Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-09-18 16:06:59

Explain. Why buy real estate when prices are falling?

 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-09-18 17:53:09

The same reason you buy stocks or bonds when prices are falling. No one who is not an “insider” in the making of markets can accurately determine a “bottom”. You have to pick a point, based on historical evidence that the choice to buy is rationale based on the best evidence you have.
I have found a number of “good buys” in the recent past that were under contract as soon as they hit the market.
For some people on this board, there is NO price that is low enough to buy; they expect it to go lower. I have no idea if it will go lower.
It may.
But, I am not going to spend another 5 years of my life “shopping” for reasonable value when the price is within a range I consider reasonable.
Buy the damn thing and git on with ur life!
If you find a better deal later, you will find that this ALWAYS happens. It’s life. Whenever I buy anything I inevitably find a better deal shortly thereafter. So what.
I am not advocating being a “buyer”. I am simply suggesting that in some areas prices are reasonable within the metrics of historical perspective.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-09-18 18:41:31

“The same reason you buy stocks or bonds when prices are falling.”

Ok Dio…. step away from the PC and go outside for a break.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-09-18 07:47:26

Here’s your Tucson housing market update:

What the creators of this brilliant program seem to forget is that you can’t magically build more tenants. Only so many in any given market.

Comment by Josap
2012-09-18 08:53:38

Sure you can “build more tenants”, just foreclose on those who haven’t paid. Encourage people to get out from under the underwater houses and rent.

Keep the cost of food, fuel, rent, utilities high enough so people can’t buy a house.

Although at this point, all the stops are being pulled to get people to buy a house again. Interesting tug of war.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2012-09-18 08:09:16

We are tumbling into a deeper recession.

Can obama blame obama?

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FedEx says economy is worsening, cuts outlook
LA times | 9/19/12 | Associated Press

FedEx Corp. says the global economy is worsening and it’s cutting its forecast for the fiscal year ending in May.

The world’s second largest package delivery company also said Tuesday that net income for the current quarter ending in November should fall well below last year’s quarter. The stock lost about 2 percent in premarket trading.

FedEx is seeing a drop in demand for more expensive priority services. As the global economy has slowed, FedEx customers have switched to cheaper deferred delivery services. FedEx hasn’t been able to cut costs fast enough to match the decline in demand.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-09-18 09:15:27

It is the global economy that’s worsening. The last time I checked, Obama wasn’t the president of China, Japan, Korea, Brazil, Russia, India, Taiwan, The UK, Germany, France or Singapore.

 
Comment by michael
2012-09-18 09:44:04

FedEx just isn’t working hard enough.

Comment by Northeastener
2012-09-18 10:26:29

Seems the problem is the rest of us aren’t working hard enough. We’re not buying enough stuff and having it shipped fast…

Comment by michael
2012-09-18 10:54:17

Was once again being sarcastic.

I apologize folks…The Federal Reserve’s actions have finally weakened my resolve. I am now just a cynic. I just don’t care that much anymore.

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Comment by Northeastener
2012-09-18 12:51:47

I was being sarcastic as well, though there is truth in my statement…

 
 
Comment by measton
2012-09-18 10:54:48

Seems we can’t because technology and outsourcing have decimated jobs and wages.

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Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-09-18 12:55:40

I know of a 2 Billion a year co. that dropped FedEx due to a merger.

Can’t mention the name as I am part of that, still ongoing, merger.

Why yes, my contract does end soon. How did you ever guess?

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 17:00:35

We are tumbling into a deeper recession. Can obama blame obama?

This is bad. It’s going to really hurt Obama’s re-election chances in 2016.

 
Comment by Robin
2012-09-18 19:23:39

ISTR that FedEx raised rates 5% recently without public input as to necessity.

 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-09-18 08:45:21


Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-09-16 17:12:05

I rent in a close in suburb of Seattle. 3-4 BR houses on small lots. I expect these neighborhoods will fall more slowly than those further out. The housing and infrastructure lend themselves to greater density.

Hey Happy2bHeard,

I totally agree with your assessment.

What ‘burb are you in, btw? I didn’t realize you were local. I live in Phinney. Any interest in a Seattle-area meet-up? We haven’t had one of those in many years, so we’re overdue…

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-09-18 20:57:58

I live near Bothell.

A meet up sounds fun.

 
 
Comment by Bluestar
2012-09-18 08:54:55

Seeing as all the gun sales go through the roof I was struck by this article about the Bobwhite quail and it’s micro-economic effects of one segment of the bio-sphere. Is it such a leap of faith to contemplate that on a planet wide macro scale the by-products of our industrial, consumption based economies will cause massive disruptions in the climate?

“In 1960, 321,000 Texas quail hunters bagged 98 million birds. In 2010, there were fewer than 50,000 hunters and the harvest was around a half million quail.”

http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/09/17/4266983/bobwhite-quail-a-vanishing-breed.html#storylink=cpy

I am left with the thought that maybe some of these new gun owners won’t be hunting wildlife but are more interested in hunting their political opponents. Notice I’m not labeling the gun owners as left or right, it’s happening on both sides.

Comment by Ben Jones
2012-09-18 09:05:08

This has been going on for a while; fire ants. Quail nest on the ground and have no protection from the ants.

Comment by b-hamster
2012-09-18 09:26:00

I’m sure the boar situation isn’t helping matters much either.

 
 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-09-18 10:17:10

I am left with the thought that maybe some of these new gun owners won’t be hunting wildlife but are more interested in hunting their political opponents.

I’ve had a few discussions with the local gun shop owners over the increases in business they’ve seen. Almost 50% of the increase in business is from new firearm licensees in both gun shops I frequent. This was also confirmed for me at the local firearm club and range I belong to: they are seeing 50+ new members signing up per month, with lots of demand for gun safety courses (required for a new license).

These new licensees are not hunters, for the most part. They are either scared of crime and social unrest or scared Democrats will enact another Assault Weapons Ban and want to stock up just in case.

Comment by b-hamster
2012-09-18 10:56:31

I dunno. A lot of my left leaning friends are taking up arms too. Unlike the more right-leaning “the free market will take care of everything” crowd, people are becoming more aware of the precarious nature of societal strife, unstable food supply, distrust of the government, economic collapse, etc. And fear sells so readily in our society, I think all colors of the spectrum are buying into it and purchasing guns. Not an unwise move, I just don’t feel I would practice using a gun enough to feel comfortable firing it. And besides, I have a bad-assed dog, live in a low crime area, don’t really have anything to steal, and am really not too scared – I find it unhealthy to live in fear.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2012-09-18 12:48:57

When it happens, which will be more valuable- a dozen ounces of gold or three firearms (rifle, shotgun, sidearm) and a thousand or so rounds of ammo for each?

BTW, stay healthy my friend. :-) Meds and treatments will disappear perhaps even faster than the food will. Diabetes? HIV? Kidney failure? Sorry ’bout that.

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Comment by Northeastener
2012-09-18 12:54:27

When it happens, which will be more valuable- a dozen ounces of gold or three firearms

Firearms are for putting food on the table and keeping the zombie hoards at bay during the chaos. Gold is for surviving (and thriving) in the aftermath of the chaos… each in it’s time and place…

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-09-18 15:41:03

Firearms are for putting food on the table and keeping the zombie hoards at bay during the chaos. Gold is for surviving (and thriving) in the aftermath of the chaos… each in it’s time and place…

Problem is, gold attracts zombies.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 17:45:04

Meds and treatments will disappear perhaps even faster than the food will.

Except in Canada.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-09-18 09:48:11

I thought this article was an interesting rebuttal to all of those who advocate that the unemployed should have gotten their degree in STEM subjects.

http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2019185996_koreajobs18.html

“With almost three out of four high-school students going to college in an effort to get a top-paying job in one of the leading industrial groups, known as chaebols, South Korea is being flooded with more college graduates than it needs. Its 30 biggest companies hired 260,000 of them last year, leaving another 60,000 to swell the youth-unemployment rate to 6.4 percent in August, more than twice the national average.

The government’s response is a U-turn from decades of increasingly competitive and expensive education that made South Korea No. 1 in the world for academic qualifications. President Lee Myung-bak’s new message to many high-school students is: Skip college and go to work.”

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-09-18 10:25:35

This past weekend, I had a nice chat with my former landlady.

She was working in the yard at one of her rental houses. Place has been vacant for several years.

Well, you know me. I had to ask her if she was fixing that boat anchor of a property up to sell. Place had been a real work-creator without much reward for her, and you know what? She agreed. She really wants to be rid of that property.

Any-hoo, she worked for many years in the computer field. While said field had been quite trendy during the 1990s Internet boom, she noticed that it attracted quite a few people who’d gotten a degree or some certification, but they couldn’t actually do the work.

Matter of fact, she was replaced by such a person in the last job that we had. That lady got pushed out the door a couple of years after she was hired, or something like that. I don’t recall the precise details, but let’s just say that former landlady’s successor wasn’t the hire that the organization was looking for. And so they took care of that situation.

Long story short: Trendy fields and degree programs attract a lot of people who can get through them. But that doesn’t mean that they really can do the work. Or have any sort of passion for it.

Comment by rms
2012-09-18 12:02:52

“Long story short: Trendy fields and degree programs attract a lot of people who can get through them. But that doesn’t mean that they really can do the work. Or have any sort of passion for it.”

The IT support field demands near instant response 24/7/365, but they don’t like to pay for it. Seems like chit always happens at 7:00:pm on Sunday after you’ve downed the first tug of a cold dark beer and just finished opening the baked potato. Many single folks who don’t have family related bills simply burn-out and move on.

 
Comment by turkey lurkey
2012-09-18 13:04:08

“Long story short: Trendy fields and degree programs attract a lot of people who can get through them. But that doesn’t mean that they really can do the work. Or have any sort of passion for it.”

But it does mean many people with experience, but are “paid too much” get the boot because the new hires work cheaper.

As for the article: 6.4 youth unemployment? We can only DREAM of that here. Damn socialist South Korea!

 
Comment by cactus
2012-09-18 14:25:17

Long story short: Trendy fields and degree programs attract a lot of people who can get through them. But that doesn’t mean that they really can do the work. Or have any sort of passion for it.

Nursing ?

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-09-18 15:44:21

Long story short: Trendy fields and degree programs attract a lot of people who can get through them. But that doesn’t mean that they really can do the work. Or have any sort of passion for it.

Some truth to that. But you also hear it a lot in cases where nobody was willing to train the new person. Just because they have the degree doesn’t mean they’re ready to solve all your problems. Nobody manages any more.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 19:12:17

“I had to ask her if she was fixing that boat anchor of a property up to sell. Place had been a real work-creator without much reward for her, and you know what? She agreed.”

I so admire your temerity. I keep trying to get up the nerve to ask my colleague at work why the family home is still on the market after a second full season w/o a sale, but I just can’t garner the nerve.

 
 
 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-09-18 10:11:54

The Obama/Romney Pimp List

GO!

 
Comment by frankie
2012-09-18 10:22:14

Brazil’s real estate bubble is the center of conversations in bars, restaurants, and barber shops. There is no way out.

Despite the fact that many informed Brazilians are aware about the issue, the overwhelming majority of the population isn’t. And this occurs not only because of their ignorance, but also because of the mass misinformation that is constantly broadcasted by the media. Brazilian “experts” like economist Ricardo Amorim (nicknamed “Cement Index Guy”) or the high-profiled Luis Carlos Mendonça de Barros (“Mendonção,” a protagonist of the Telecom privatization scandal), swear by their mothers that there is no housing bubble and will never exist in our country. And these two are merely exemplary. Brazil’s entire media is “campaigning” against a housing bubble, obviously. No news there.

But what is a real estate bubble? The “herd” says that it’s when the total housing credit to individuals achieves very high rates relative to the GDP of a country. Hence, they say, there is no bubble because Brazil’s mortgage/GDP ratio is only 5%. But this concept is a fallacy – it helps the “herd” to justify the high prices.

The real definition of a bubble is when property prices rise faster than (and decouple from) wage income growth, fueled by governments and bankers pushing and motivating this same population to continue buying. And the bureaucrats do that by either lowering interest rates or increasing financing terms (just compare the current 35-year terms against the standard 15-year in 2004). Just look at how our property prices doubled or tripled in a 4 or 5 years and you’ll have an idea of what a bubble really means.

http://brazilianbubble.com/a-brief-history-of-the-brazilian-real-estate-market-and-why-the-bubble-may-have-started-to-burst-last-march/

One for Rio, hope he’s a renter.

But one important fact gives me a very strong indication that the bubble has already burst last March: mortgage defaulters (SFH/BC).

Over 90 days / Up to 90 days
Jun/11 – 59,139 / 97,368
Jan/12 – 53,977 / 102,935
Jun/12 – 52,765 / 184,402

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 17:54:06

One for Rio, hope he’s a renter.

Thanks for that article. It rocks mostly. But it said that total mortgage debt in Brazil was equal to 5% of Brazil’s GDP but didn’t compare it to USA’s mortgage debt equaling 70% of GDP. Also from as best I can tell about 60% of Brazilians own their home outright compared to 30% of Americans. It’s different here. Sure it could be a bubble but it is a “different” kind of bubble in some ways. LOL.

I am not a renter but own my Rio home 100% on a cost basis about 40% of what it’s “worth” now. I’ll be OK I think. There is more to life than money.

Comment by Robin
2012-09-18 19:35:12

I have to question your number on the percentage of Americans who own their homes outright.

Ballpark figures IIRC were around 68% home ownership (but not paid off) at the peak.

I believe it dropped to around 63% (those with a mortgage and possibly under water)

My wife and I have no mortgage. Are we part of the 30% you reference?

Thanks Rio!

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 19:51:58

My wife and I have no mortgage. Are we part of the 30% you reference?

Yes, those with NO mortgage “own” their homes IMO. Congratulations!

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 19:58:22

My wife and I have no mortgage. Are we part of the 30% you reference?

But to be more clear. About 30% of Americans own their home with no mortgage. And about 60% of Brazilians own their home with no mortgage. (In Brazil, there really weren’t “mortgages” as Americans know them until about 5-10 years ago)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2012-09-18 11:59:47

Hope and change wins again…

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Obama wins right to indefinitely detain Americans under NDAA
Russia Today | 9/18/12

A lone appeals judge bowed down to the Obama administration late Monday and reauthorized the White House’s ability to indefinitely detain American citizens without charge or due process.

Last week, a federal judge ruled that an temporary injunction on section 1021 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 must be made permanent, essentially barring the White House from ever enforcing a clause in the NDAA that can let them put any US citizen behind bars indefinitely over mere allegations of terrorist associations. On Monday, the US Justice Department asked for an emergency stay on that order, and hours later US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit Judge Raymond Lohier agreed to intervene and place a hold on the injunction.

Comment by goon squad
2012-09-18 12:26:52

From “Russia Today”? Commie!

Comment by butters
2012-09-18 13:34:19

It’s truly a sad state of affairs in USA that a Putin funded news organization is more trustworthy. If the American journalists were in other profession, they would have been sued for malpractice by now.

Comment by Bluestar
2012-09-18 14:58:28

What is wrong with you guys? Almost every non-religious channel on my cable box is owned by a government sanctioned media conglomerate. Disney, FOX, Viacom, GE, CBS… This is exactly what an ‘American’ free market capitalist system looks like. You don’t like what you see, hear and read in the media then use your power to vote your shares at the next shareholder meeting. Power to the people dude.

PS: For the rest of us I would suggest a general labor STRIKE is an effective way to ‘vote’ your displeasure.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2012-09-18 15:56:14

For the rest of us I would suggest a general labor STRIKE is an effective way to ‘vote’ your displeasure.

I bet I know who can pull off a general labor strike. People who can go back to the family farm and live off the land until it’s over. How many of those people do we have? Everybody else has to work, starve, or steal.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 17:57:08

For the rest of us I would suggest a general labor STRIKE is an effective way to ‘vote’ your displeasure.

United we stand. It could work if we stood united. But the conservatives are pissed at the the libs and vice versa. That was the plan maybe.

 
 
 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 17:55:20

Obama wins right to indefinitely detain Americans under NDAA

That totally sucks that Obama did that crap.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 12:15:06

Would this be a good time for dips to buy?

Sept. 18, 2012, 12:32 p.m. EDT
Why dips will stay shallow
By Jeff White

The old adage is true: The trend is your friend until it ends.

Right now, the trend is up, and there’s no arguing that. And at some point, it will end, and the sledding will become tougher. However, since the June lows, every single dip has been bought. That has created a series of higher lows on the daily chart of the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index which remains intact.

Yet there’s more to it than that.

Aside from the most important element (price) pointing the way higher, there’s the prevailing mood — the mindset of market participants. On the one hand are the bulls, and the other the bears, and while they may have different motives, they’re both likely to be buyers for a little while.

Bears as buyers? Yes. They’ve had no satisfaction in recent months, and a ton of frustration. They become buyers when their hope is lost and the pain is immense, so they lose patience and give up. As poise goes out the window, it ushers in panic. Their survival hinges upon the preservation of their accounts, and in order to achieve that, they have to limit losses just as the bulls do in a market decline. The bears are all underwater at this point in the rally, and therefore they’ll be eager to cover shorts into virtually any weakness. That makes them net buyers.

We’ve seen a similar shift occur with bulls during previous market selloffs when those caught on the wrong (long) side view all bounces as opportunities to end the pain. Right now, it’s that way with the bears, as their confidence is running extremely low.

And the bulls, well, of course, they’re buyers too. The many who haven’t fully caught this move are eager to jump on board by putting cash to work into any discount or pullback. Alongside those who simply want to participate are the money managers and fund managers who are underperforming and simply cannot afford to miss out on any more upside — especially with the end of the year approaching. Underperformance in January or February can be made up, but it gets much tougher into September and October with the pressure of the calendar.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-09-18 13:14:40

Way to go Ohbewanna…

Alpha closing 8 mines, cutting 1,200 jobs in all

Coal producer Alpha Natural Resources said Tuesday it was cutting production by 16 million tons and eliminating 1,200 jobs companywide, laying off 400 workers immediately by closing mines in Virginia, West Virginia and Pennsylvania.

http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2019187163_apusalphalayoffs.html

Comment by In Colorado
2012-09-18 14:56:07

Coal is a dirty fuel. The article mentioned a shift to using cleaner natural gas. A lot of natural gas extraction and windmill jobs have been created out where I live. Does “Ohbewanna” get credit for those?

Comment by Bluestar
2012-09-18 15:26:08

I would hope that miners could be retrained to be road & infrastructure builders pretty easily.

Carbon: it supports all life on earth but burning gigatons of the stuff at the accelerating rate we do now will cause a mass extinction event in less than 150 years.

This item was just released:

“The real benefits of carbon reduction range anywhere from 2.6 to 12 times higher than the government’s estimates.”

http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1112695868/carbon-emissions-cost-higher-than-estimated-091812/

 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-09-18 17:21:35

“Crutchfield said the shutdowns and layoffs are a necessary part of ensuring Alpha survives in what has become a difficult U.S. market, where coal companies face a dual challenge: Power plants are shifting to cheap, abundant natural gas, while companies like his face “a regulatory environment that’s aggressively aimed at constraining the use of coal.”

 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-09-18 17:33:54

Any stimulus money for those windmill jobs?

Feds ignore rules and use stimulus cash to buy Chinese solar panels

By Jim McElhatton
The Washington Times
Monday, September 17, 2012

Government officials blame unfair competition from China for the collapse of solar panel manufacturer Solyndra, but such concerns didn’t stop the federal government from breaking stimulus program rules to use Chinese solar panels atop a federal building housing the offices of a senator, congressman and several agencies.

Even the contractor questioned whether Chinese-made panels could be used under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, the stimulus program that mandated use of U.S.-made products. His query in early 2010 was dismissed and the General Services Administration moved forward with using the Chinese panels on the Sen. Paul Simon Federal Building in Carbondale, Ill., records show.

Questions about the panels, which were assembled overseas, were raised in a four-page advisory memo sent by the inspector general to the GSA in the summer of 2011, but the findings take on added significance as government officials increasingly place blame on Chinese subsidies for troubles in the U.S. solar market.

Since last summer, Solyndra LLC and another solar company, Abound Solar, have filed for bankruptcy despite receiving generous federal loan guarantees. After both bankruptcies, government officials were quick to place blame on subsidies from China that allowed foreign solar panel manufactures to sell their products below cost, squeezing U.S. solar companies.

Meanwhile, the contractor on the Illinois building project, J.R. Conkey & Associates, initially questioned GSA officials on whether solar panels assembled in China could be used under the stimulus program, but a procurement officer told the company to proceed, according to records.

“We did what we were told to do by the federal government,” Jim Conkey, the company’s president, said Monday.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/17/lambasted-chinese-solar-panels-placed-on-governmen/ - -

 
 
 
Comment by cactus
2012-09-18 14:20:17

Oil Price Flash Crash or bad economy ahead ?

“We have made the point that the actions by the Fed and the ECB are in response to a global economy that is floundering not flourishing. The equity and other markets have rallied due to all of the announced and expected easing measures, predicated on a belief that consumption and economic growth will necessarily follow due to extremely low interest rates and/or the positive effect of inflation on asset values.

Still, it was an odd epiphany that struck the energy market in a moment.

Prices seemed to collapse of their own weight, due to a buyer’s strike. The demand outlook for next year has deteriorated markedly, and just this morning FedEx (FDX) has reduced its outlook for the all-important Holiday quarter.

The Fed has done all that it can, but the fiscal side needs to come through, and we won’t get that until after the November election, possibly well after. “

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-09-18 15:00:33

Prices seemed to collapse of their own weight, due to a buyer’s strike. The demand outlook for next year has deteriorated markedly, and just this morning FedEx (FDX) has reduced its outlook for the all-important Holiday quarter.

I’m not seeing as many FedEx trucks dashing in and out of the nabe as I once did. How does my observation square with yours, fellow HBB-ers?

Comment by measton
2012-09-18 15:37:54

The shippers have the same problem as the rest of corporate America. They were able to raise rates and crush or borg competition but now there are a smaller # standing. They can’t raise rates because the krill are dead and the krill aren’t buying as much. Meanwhile the Free FED money is driving fuel prices higher. Shippers are doomed.

 
 
 
Comment by Muggy
2012-09-18 17:56:20

Alad?

$7 Million In Gold Bars Found In Reclusive Man’s Home Month After He Died

http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2012/09/17/7-million-in-gold-bars-found-in-reclusive-mans-home-month-after-he-died/

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 19:15:35

Hope not. But he certainly has been disquietingly quiet in recent years.

Comment by ahansen
2012-09-19 01:24:49

Alad had a wife and kids and a thriving online and business presence. He also told us (very nicely and justifiably) to eff off.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-09-19 01:41:28

What was justifiable about it? Too many naysayers shouting down his doomsday plans?

(I went on a 6+ month hiatus from HBB back then and missed his exit…and, apparently, the fireworks that came with it.)

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Comment by ahansen
2012-09-20 00:28:32

FPSS and others just ran ragged over him as gold continued to do exactly as alad had been telling everyone it would. The one-sided name calling got so irrational and personal that one day he just thanked everyone for their time, hoped that we’d learned something from his posts, took up his precious metals and left– never to be heard from again.

I miss his wonderful stories and CA history book recommendations. Hope he’s doing well in Wanaka or wherever in NZ he settled.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-09-18 19:29:25

Posted: 9:23 a.m. Tuesday, Sept. 18, 2012

More Florida companies try to cancel mortgage debt with lawsuits

By Kimberly Miller

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

More companies are jumping into the land trust business.

At least two new firms in Florida are trying to cancel mortgage debt with lawsuits that lenders call “baseless” and “nonsensical” but that some borrowers say are their last chance at keeping their homes.

The companies, including one with a Jupiter address, are in addition to the Fidelity Land Trust Company that opened last year in Boca Raton. Together, they have filed scores of lawsuits statewide and collected hundreds of deeds from homeowners, who are typically solicited by phone because they have underwater mortgages.

And desperate borrowers are biting.

Lee County homeowner Tom Meyers contracted with Heritage National Land Trust last month, signing over the deed to his house and writing checks for about $11,000, he said.

He will be delinquent on his estimated $560,000 loan as of Friday, using the money for his mortgage to pay the trust instead. After trying for years to get a loan modification following a divorce that left him with one income and an upside down loan, he felt the land trust was his only option to keep the house.

“They’ve done everything they’ve said they would do so far,” Meyers said about the trust. “I made it clear I better see some results.”

Jupiter-based Heritage National Land Trust registered with the state in July and has since collected 33 deeds, including 17 in Palm Beach County.

The business model of the trusts varies, and according to websites, includes cash-for-keys options.

But in one scenario, the homeowner signs over his deed to the trust and pays a fee for paperwork and legal representation. The trust then sues the lender to cancel the mortgage for alleged improprieties, such as not recording the transfer of the mortgage or violations of pooling and servicing agreements.

Once the mortgage is canceled, the homeowner still owes the debt — or note — to the bank, but the trust tries to negotiate down the amount owed and buy the note at a discount. The homeowner then takes out a new mortgage or arranges for another payment plan with the trust.

Some attorneys and title agents are skeptical of the maneuver, saying it’s not legally sound and relies on the banks not responding to the lawsuit. They fear homeowners will pay for the land trust service while going further in debt to their lender and have nothing to show for it at the end.

“To think you as a downstream interest holder can destroy a prior creditor or interest holder’s rights in the property flies in the face of logic,” said Greg Clark, a Clearwater title and foreclosure defense attorney. “The basic premise is flawed.”

But proponents of the trusts point to a Levy County case they say proves it works.

A press release issued Tuesday by one of the trust referral companies says Boca Raton attorney Howard Feinmel, who is under a Florida Bar investigation for issues relating to quiet title lawsuits, won a judgment in November that canceled a mortgage. It was a default judgment, typically awarded when the defendant fails to respond within 20 to 30 days and can be reopened if there are legitimate reasons for missing the deadline.

The plaintiff in the Levy County case was Levy County Partners, which had the homeowner deed his house to it before filing the lawsuit, according to property appraiser records. The deed has since been transferred from Levy County Partners to Fidelity Land Trust Company. The foreclosure lawsuit against the homeowner was voluntarily dismissed in June by the lender. The dismissal was done without prejudice, meaning it can be re-filed.

Bank of America, the servicer on the loan, did not respond to a request for comment.

Fidelity Land Trust Company, which was incorporated in December and is believed to be one of the first firms to make widespread attempts to cancel mortgages by suing the banks, has amassed about 240 deeds statewide, including 100 in Palm Beach County.

Sunshine State Land Trust Company registered with the state in June with a Miami mailing address. Although it doesn’t appear to have filed any lawsuits, Fidelity Land Trust has signed several of its deeds over to Sunshine, including 15 in Palm Beach County.

AAF Investments Land Trust Company isn’t a registered corporation under that name with the Florida Department of State, but has had four Palm Beach County homeowners sign deeds to it and filed two lawsuits, according to the Palm Beach County Clerk of Courts office.

The machinations of the deals can be complicated. For example, Palm Beach Gardens homeowner Ralph Jimenez said he was contacted by the North Palm Beach-based Lincoln Property Consultants about turning his deed over to the company in exchange for cash after a sale. Property records show he signed his deed over to the Fidelity Land Trust Company in March. It was signed back to him by Fidelity July 30. Jimenez said he was told it was signed back to him so it could be transferred to the Heritage National Land Trust, but clerk records show he signed it to a company called Floridian Asset Management Group on July 18.

“What’s the worst that can happen?” said Jimenez, adding that he has not paid any fees to the companies.

A message left at a phone number for Heritage National Land Trust was not returned. The law practice that has been representing AAF Investments Land Trust said it no longer represents the firm and couldn’t give out client contact information.

Paul Gellenbeck, managing director of the Fidelity Land Trust, said land trust matters are confidential and declined to comment.

Lenders have asked the federal court to hear cases filed in Palm Beach County by Fidelity and Heritage.

One of the cases, filed by Heritage, attempts to cancel a 2007 mortgage for $447,792 on a Jupiter home. The homeowners signed their deed over on April 12 and Heritage filed its lawsuit June 5.

Attorneys for the bank said the lawsuit is “baseless,” “meritless” and “nonsensical.”

“This case is an example of a disturbing new trend among borrowers in Florida who deed their homes, which are either in foreclosure or soon will be, to a trust (of which they are purportedly the beneficiary) and then bring suit to quiet-title and invalidate the mortgage,” the bank’s motion to dismiss says.

In the Fidelity case, bank attorneys wrote: “Fidelity’s modus operandi is to bring meritless declaratory judgment and quiet title actions in hopes that the lender will miss the answer deadline and default.”

Fidelity voluntarily dismissed that suit last month.

 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-09-18 19:34:19

Updated: 7:41 p.m. Tuesday, Sept. 18, 2012 | Posted: 7:35 p.m. Tuesday, Sept. 18, 2012

AMR expects about 4,400 job cuts, warns 11,000

By DAVID KOENIG

The Associated Press

DALLAS —
American Airlines is sending layoff warning notices to more than 11,000 employees although a spokesman says the company expects job losses to be closer to 4,400.

The notices went out to mechanics and ground workers whose jobs will be affected as American goes through a bankruptcy restructuring.

American Airlines spokesman Bruce Hicks said Tuesday that fewer than 40 percent of those getting notices will lose their jobs. Hicks said federal law requires the company to notify anyone whose position could change, including those who could get “bumped” by more-senior employees whose jobs are eliminated or outsourced.

American said in February that it planned to cut 14,000 jobs, including 13,000 held by union workers. But if Hicks is right, the final job losses will be about a third of that.

Over the summer American accepted slightly smaller cost-cutting measures as it negotiated new labor contracts, and it agreed to give bonuses to flight attendants and ground workers who quit. So far 1,800 flight attendants and 800 ground workers have applied to take the money and leave.

Layoff notices went to nearly 3,000 workers in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, where a maintenance facility will close, and nearly 3,000 more at a base in Tulsa, Okla. Also receiving notices were about 1,200 workers in Miami, 1,100 in New York and Newark, N.J., 900 in Chicago, and smaller numbers elsewhere.

“As bad as this is — and we knew this day was coming — we’ve been able to lessen the pain,” said Jamie Horwitz, a spokesman for the Transport Workers Union.

Separately, the leader of the pilots’ union blasted the company, saying it is “paying lip service” to negotiating a contract while using the bankruptcy process to wring punitive cost-cutting concessions from pilots.

Eight other labor groups approved long-term contracts that will help AMR cut annual labor spending by about $1 billion. Pilots, however, voted overwhelmingly against the company’s last contract offer, and a federal bankruptcy judge allowed American to impose new pay and working rules on pilots.

The acting president of the Allied Pilots Association, Keith Wilson, said in a message to members that he would meet this week with Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood and other senior officials in the Obama administration and Congress. The union has asked federal officials to approve steps that could eventually lead to a strike, but that permission hasn’t been granted.

Hicks said American is ready to resume negotiations “when the union is ready.”

Still, pilots are holding a strike-authorization vote. And according to the company, they are calling in sick more often than usual, contributing to an increase in canceled flights. American has trimmed its September and October schedule by up to 2 percent to make sure it has enough pilots to operate flights.

Hunter Keay, an analyst for Wolfe Trahan & Co., said he does not think the threat of cancelations will lead travelers to avoid American. But he said there has been “a clear deterioration in labor relations” at American.

An American merger with US Airways Group Inc. could produce a bigger airline with more revenue and more labor peace, Keay said. US Airways has lobbied for a merger but American executives have been reluctant.

American and parent AMR Corp., which is based in Fort Worth, filed for bankruptcy protection in November.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 20:18:40

AMR expects about 4,400 job cuts,

American capitalism is not working well for most Americans. But the “producers” are stoked because Romney might cut their taxes more.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 19:35:19

Here is a prediction, and you all may ask me to I eat my words if it proves incorrect:

The candidate who unrepentantly labeled 47% of the U.S. population as losers is destined to lose badly in November 2012 — karmic comeuppance and all that.

Sept. 18, 2012, 6:00 p.m. EDT
Mitt Romney vs. tax-avoiding freeloaders
Commentary: Republican candidate writes off 47% of the country
By Rex Nutting, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) – Clint Eastwood made history by demolishing an imaginary president in a debate. Mitt Romney has gone Eastwood one better: He’s conjured up an imaginary country, one in which half of the people don’t matter.

And he’s not going to debate them; he’s totally ignoring them.

You remember Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 plan? Mitt Romney, has his own political numerology: The 47-47-47 theory.

Mitt Romney said he wouldn’t even try to get the votes of the 47% of the country that are moochers.

Romney told a group of wealthy donors last spring that America was deeply divided: Nearly half of the people — 47% to be exact — were essentially living off the government’s largesse, while the rest contributed to America’s greatness. Forty-seven percent paid no income taxes, 47% thought the government owed them a cushy life on a silver platter, and, not-so-coincidentally, 47% liked Barack Obama. Read more at Mother Jones.

According to Romney’s math, about half the people — 47% to be exact — are tax-avoiding, government-dependent, deadbeat Democrats. A roughly equal number are tax-paying, hard-working, clean-living Republicans. And maybe 5% or 10% are misguided centrists who let emotion get the better of them in 2008. For another viewpoint, read Rep. Allen West’s column on the 47%.

Romney said he wasn’t even going to try to get the votes of the freeloading 47%.

“My job is not to worry about those people,” Romney said in a video of the remarks. “I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

Why bother? Now that they had become addicted to living off the rest of us, they could never be saved. They would never vote Republican again.

Giving up on the 47% must have been a very tough decision for Romney to make. After all, he’s the head of a grand old party whose first and greatest president tried to a heal a nation divided against itself. But Lincoln’s successor, Mitt Romney, instead expresses malice toward 47%.

And Joseph Smith, the founder of Romney’s faith, prophesied about a community in which everyone seeks “the interest of his neighbor,” dreamed of a place where everyone shares equally and receives justly “according to his wants and his needs.” Romney’s own wife, Ann, was once president of the local branch of the LDS Relief Society, an organization with the sole purpose to help the very moochers Romney doesn’t have to worry about.

It’s going to be a tough sell trying to persuade an 85-year-old widow who lives on a meager Social Security check too small to tax that she should vote Republican. She’s on the dole, poor dear, and can’t be reached any more.

And it’s hard to talk a single mother who’s trying to get off welfare by working a minimum-wage job into finally take some responsibility for her life.

Or about convincing a hedge-fund manager with a really good tax guy that, if you don’t pay any taxes, you’re a leech. No, wait. Scratch that last one. I forgot … it’s OK for job creators to pay nothing.

Anyone who’s paid attention knows that Romney didn’t misspeak when he characterized nearly half of the nation as losers. Romney is proud of what he said.

While Romney admitted that his presentation was a little rough, “it’s not elegantly stated, let me put it that way,” he stood by his premise.

“It’s a message which I’m going to carry and continue to carry, which is look, the president’s approach is attractive to people who are not paying taxes because frankly my discussion about lowering taxes isn’t as attractive to them.”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 19:37:44

Romney calls QE3 another ‘bailout’ for Obama economy
September 13, 2012, 3:54 PM

The campaign of Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney called the Federal Reserve’s third round of quantitative easing another “bailout” for President Barack Obama’s economy on Thursday, while other GOP members wondered whether Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke was doing the administration’s bidding by calling for the jolt to the economy.

Shortly after the Fed announced it would purchase $40 billion in mortgage-backed securities each month, Romney campaign policy director Lanhee Chen said in a press release: “The Federal Reserve’s announcement of a third round of quantitative easing is further confirmation that President Obama’s policies have not worked. After four years of stagnant growth, falling incomes, rising costs and persistently high unemployment, the American economy doesn’t need more artificial and ineffective measures. We should be creating wealth, not printing dollars.”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 19:42:09

Sept. 15, 2012, 4:59 p.m. EDT
Ryan: Fed plan a ‘bailout’

OLDSMAR, Fla., Sep 15, 2012 (UPI via COMTEX) — U.S. Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan said Saturday the Federal Reserve plan to buy mortgage-backed securities shows “we don’t have a recovery.”

Speaking at a campaign rally in Oldsmar, Fla., the Wisconsin congressman called the Fed policy “sugar high economics.”

“We heard that the Federal Reserve is coming with a new bailout,” Ryan said. “So the Federal Reserve is basically saying that we don’t have a recovery. ‘Obamanomics’ didn’t work.”

The Fed policy announced Thursday is the third round of so-called quantitative easing, in which the central bank buys bonds — but it differs from previous rounds in that Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke said it will remain in place until it produces satisfactory growth in employment, The Hill reported.

“We don’t need synthetic money creation. We need economic growth. We want wealth creation,” Ryan said at the campaign event. “We don’t want to print money. We want opportunity and growth.”

Danny Kanner, a spokesman for President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign said Ryan “has no credibility when it comes to helping the middle class.”

“The Romney-Ryan plan is to raise taxes on middle class families by cutting benefits like the mortgage interest deduction, the child tax credit, and the charitable deduction to pay for $250,000 tax cuts for multimillionaires like Mitt Romney,” Kanner said.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 19:51:34

Got 3:1 odds against Romney?

Price History
PRES12_WTA
Date Contract Units $Volume LowPrice HighPrice AvgPrice LastPrice
09/17/12 DEM12_WTA 2,353 1,696.725 0.680 0.750 0.721 0.750
09/17/12 REP12_WTA 1,284 367.338 0.270 0.299 0.286 0.270

Odds against Romney based on DEM12_WTA 09/17/12 closing price:

0.750:0.250 => 3:1

Odds against Romney based on REP12_WTA 09/17/12 closing price:

0.730:0.270 => 8:3 (slightly below 3:1 against Romney win of popular vote).

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 19:54:53

“A tough three weeks…”

Ya think!?

Jansing and Co | Aired on September 18, 2012
A tough three weeks for Romney?

Democratic strategist Steve McMahon says Mitt Romney’s been acting like a “bumbling fool” while Republican strategist John Feehery says there’s still time for the Romney campaign to fix its missteps.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 20:21:31

Mitt Romney’s been acting like a “bumbling fool”

It’s not just Mitt. It’s his whole ilk’s warped, very strange and isolated mindset. Do you guys think Mitt is one of us? A regular American?

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 19:58:30

Obama jabs at Romney over his ‘47 percent’ remarks
By Jim Kuhnhennken Thomas on September 18, 2012

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — President Barack Obama declared Tuesday night the occupant of the Oval Office must “work for everyone, not just for some,” jabbing back at Mitt Romney’s jarring statement that as a candidate, he doesn’t worry about the 47 percent of the country that pays no income taxes.

Romney neither disavowed nor apologized for his remarks, which included an observation that nearly half of the country believe they are victims and entitled to a range of government support. Instead, Romney cast his comment as evidence of a fundamental difference with Obama over the economy, adding the federal government should not “take from some to give to the others.”

As the rivals sparred with seven weeks remaining in a close race for the White House, two GOP Senate candidates publicly disavowed Romney’s remarks, caught on videotape at a fundraiser. Republican officials openly debated the impact that a series of controversies would have on the party’s prospects of winning the presidency.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 20:04:58

Secret lives of Republican base members:

Romney “47 Percent” Fundraiser Host: Hedge Fund Manager Who Likes Sex Parties
—By David Corn | Mon Sep. 17, 2012 5:48 PM PDT

Marc LederMarc Leder, left, hosted a fundraiser for Mitt Romney at his Boca Raton home on May 17, 2012. Leder: Sun Capital Partners; Romney: Tina Fultz/Zuma

When Mitt Romney at a private fundraiser dismissed all Barack Obama voters as moochers and victims—showing disdain for nearly half of the American electorate—he was speaking at the home of controversial private equity manager Marc Leder in Boca Raton on May 17, 2012. (It was Romney’s second fundraising event in Boca that day.) This is evident from references made by Romney within the full video recording of the event that has been reviewed by Mother Jones.

When Mother Jones first disclosed secret video of Romney’s remarks, we were obliged to not reveal details regarding the time and place of the event. That restriction has been lifted, as the story has garnered attention throughout the media.

At the fundraiser, Romney was asked how he could win in November, and he replied:

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax…[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.

Romney made those remarks before donors who had paid $50,000 a plate to attend the dinner at Leder’s swanky house.

Leder has long been a fan of Romney. In January, the New York Times reported:

Years ago, a visit to Mr. Romney’s investment firm inspired Mr. Leder to get into private equity in the first place. Mr. Romney was an early investor in some of the deals done by Mr. Leder’s investment company, Sun Capital, which today oversees about $8 billion in equity.

The paper noted that Leder is something of a poster boy for private equity—and not in a good way:

Mr. Leder personifies the debates now swirling around this lucrative corner of finance. To his critics, he represents everything that’s wrong with this setup. In recent years, a large number of the companies that Sun Capital has acquired have run into serious trouble, eliminated jobs or both. Since 2008, some 25 of its companies—roughly one of every five it owns—have filed for bankruptcy. Among the losers was Friendly’s, the restaurant chain known for its Jim Dandy sundaes and Fribble shakes. (Sun Capital was accused by a federal agency of pushing Friendly’s into bankruptcy last year to avoid paying pensions to the chain’s employees; Sun disputes that contention.) Another company that sank into bankruptcy was Real Mex, owner of the Chevy’s restaurant chain. In that case, Mr. Leder lost money for his investors not once, but twice.

But Leder does differ from Romney in one significant fashion: how he likes to have a certain sort of fun. In August 2011, the New York Post reported,

It was as if the Playboy Mansion met the East EBond at a wild party at private-equity titan Marc Leder’s Bridgehampton estate, where guests cavorted nude in the pool and performed sex acts, scantily dressed Russians danced on platforms and men twirled lit torches to a booming techno beat. The divorced Sun Capital Partners honcho rented a sprawling beachfront mansion on Surf Side Road for $500,000 for the month of July. Leder’s weekly Friday and Saturday night parties have become the talk of the Hamptons—and he ended them in style last weekend with his wildest bash yet. Russell Simmons and ex-wife Kimora Lee attended a more subdued party thrown by Leder—who’s an event chair for Simmons’ Art For Life charity—on July 29 together. But the revelry hit a frenzied point the next day before midnight when a male guest described as a “chubby white meathead” and a “tanned” female guest stripped and hopped into the pool naked.

At Romney’s fundraiser at Leder’s Boca Raton home, not a single sex act was recorded.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-18 20:26:02

Romney “47 Percent” Fundraiser Host: Hedge Fund Manager Who Likes Sex Parties

I have no problems with honest whores. I have a problems with lying, greedy, hypocritical whores. The current Repubs in charge of that party are despicable.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 20:35:38

“At Romney’s fundraiser at Leder’s Boca Raton home, not a single sex act was recorded.”

What a relief that must be for fundies and other prude varieties who constitute the Republican base.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 20:08:02

Fed’s latest stimulus may have little impact on mortgage borrowers
By Danielle Douglas and Brady Dennis, Tuesday, September 18, 6:08 PM

The Federal Reserve took aim at the nation’s wobbly housing market last week with its biggest stimulus action in two years, but that firepower is doing little to lower mortgage rates or make home loans more available for Americans.

Instead, banks are set to see a windfall since the Fed’s actions will immediately lower the cost of issuing loans. It may take months or longer for benefits to trickle down to consumers, analysts say.

The emerging scenario highlights the limitations of the Fed’s ability to jump-start the housing market on demand: Rather than intervene directly with consumers, the Fed must rely on banks, brokers and other industry actors to offer borrowers better terms.

Banks say they are keeping rates high right now because lowering them any further would overwhelm them with customers. They say that over time, as volume thins out, rates could come down to attract new borrowers.

“Bank of America, Wells, Chase, whomever, have fixed capacity. You can’t take in more loans than you can handle,” said Matt Vernon, a senior mortgage executive at Bank of America.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 20:10:27

Fed’s asset purchases are ‘charade,’ Yale professor says

Sep. 18, 2012 - Stephen Roach, a professor at Yale University and former non-executive chairman for Morgan Stanley in Asia, talks about the decision by Federal Reserve policy makers to proceed with a third round of large-scale asset purchases, inflation in the U.S. and the Chinese economy. (/Bloomberg)

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 20:41:48

This gaffe definitely takes the cake — crab or otherwise.

Generally being far less than enamored of politicians as a breed, this kind of blatant error leaves me barely able to contain my glee.

Op-Ed Columnist
Let Them Eat Crab Cake
By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: September 18, 2012
WASHINGTON
Fred R. Conrad/The New York Times

Oh, for the days when we thought Mitt Romney didn’t stand for anything.

As a secret video from a Boca Raton fund-raiser with high rollers in May shows, Romney in private stands for so many bizarre things that it’s hard to tell what’s crazier — his domestic policy or his foreign policy.

Less than 50 days before the election, we learn that Romney may have given up on half of America and on Mideast peace.

In a reply to a fat cat at the $50,000-a-plate dinner, he wrote off 47 percent of the country as deadbeats, freeloaders and “victims” who feel they’re entitled to stuff — stuff like basic sustenance.

“Well, there are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what,” he said. “All right? There are 47 percent who are with him. Who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they’re entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it.”

The candidate, who pays so little in taxes relative to his income that he has to hide tax returns and money in Switzerland and the Cayman Islands, then added, condescendingly: “These are people who pay no income tax.”

“So my job is not to worry about those people,” he blithely concluded. “I’ll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.” What kind of presidential candidate shrugs off wooing whole groups — we’re talking many seniors and white-working-class voters in battleground states who are, if he actually knew what he was talking about, his own natural constituencies?

A “stupid and arrogant” one, as Bill Kristol, the editor of The Weekly Standard, put it.

Conservatives knew that Romney was no Reagan, but the tape left many Republicans and Obama strategists gobsmacked. One top Democrat called it “a treasure trove of stupid answers.”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 20:46:45

“But they should be concerned about the fundamental inaccuracy of Romney’s claims and the erroneous conclusions he draws from them.”

Why would the party of lies and propaganda give a hoot about fundamental inaccuracies in their statements? Their primary campaign strategy is to bamboozle an ignorant American electorate with lies and deceptions.

Debunking Romney’s attack on Americans who don’t pay income taxes

Most people who ‘pay no income tax’ are working or have worked in the past, including seniors living on Social Security and Medicare benefits they paid for during their working lives.

Business columnist Michael Hiltzik and Politics Now blog host Jim Rainey discuss the furor that Mitt Romney set off with his comments about the “47%.”

By Michael Hiltzik

September 19, 2012

By now, most Americans who take their civic responsibilities seriously have no doubt seen, or at least heard about, Mitt Romney’s peculiar approach to broad-based voter outreach.

We’re referring, of course, to his videotaped fundraising speech in Florida, in which he characterizes 47% of the American public as people who are “dependent on the government,” who “pay no income tax” and who can’t be convinced to “take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

Voters can decide for themselves whether Romney’s words, taken at face value, bespeak a hopelessly crabbed approach to government’s role in our lives or a principled stand for private enterprise and economic freedom.

But they should be concerned about the fundamental inaccuracy of Romney’s claims and the erroneous conclusions he draws from them. For those point to the important questions of how he can make policy in a fact-free context, and how he can even know his own mind if he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

So let’s examine Romney’s numbers and their significance.

The key number he cited is that 47% of Americans “pay no income tax.” The statistic is true as far as it goes, but it doesn’t come close to reaching the finish line. In fact, its shock value derives from the legerdemain of focusing solely on the federal income tax. This misleads Romney and his audience into thinking that the group in question is mostly people on a lifelong dole.

The truth is that the vast majority are people who are working or who have worked in the past. Their ranks include millions of Americans who are now retired, living on Social Security and Medicare benefits they paid for throughout their working lives. Many others are those who were booted into culverts by the economic crisis and are today struggling to get back on the road.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2012-09-18 22:03:04

I would rather talk about why there is a higher percentage of people in need of welfare today than ever before and about what facts created the situation of more people losing opportunity to be
totally self sufficient .

Its pretty insane for any Politician to be talking about people who can’t pay more taxes now without regard to the lost of opportunity by the job gutting of the USA that benefited the 10% .

For people like Rommey to talk like we have a USA like it was 50 years ago to justify attacks on the struggling and unemployed is
so wrong .

And really how dare the upper crust even dare attack the struggling sectors when trillions of bails outs were given in order for the well palced not to suffer .

If the power brokers are going to create what is really a unemployment situation more like 20% and a serious reduction in buying power for the bulk of the population ,while they still want to price fix to the up side ,than what should they expect but a serious inability for these people to have anything to give .

The rich don’t want to compensate for their heist and hijacking and favorable tax structures they didn’t deserve and their change to the long term American systems that were favorable to the working stiff .It was a slow gradual process of the Elite taking back their God awful power ,while we had a God awful repeat of
the destructive power of a unregulated Wall Street /Banks like the insanity of 1929.

In my view ,we should take back the ill-gotten gain ,and its clear how screwed up a Society can get when the balance of power goes
to the 1% as well as the monopoly corporations .

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-09-19 09:58:01

how dare the upper crust even dare attack the struggling sectors when trillions of bails outs were given in order for the well placed not to suffer

I agree totally. It is beyond the pale.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 20:49:01

San Diego Approves Abandoned Property Ordinance
By Mike Wille
Story Published: Sep 18, 2012 at 7:39 PM PDT

SAN DIEGO (CNS) - The San Diego City Council unanimously passed an ordinance Tuesday requiring owners of abandoned homes to keep their properties in reasonable condition.

Under the new regulations, the city can send code enforcement officers to vacant houses and fine the owners — in many cases, banks. The regulations close loopholes that allowed abandoned properties to languish for years.

“This is a good thing,” Councilwoman Lorie Zapf said. “We’ve had some problematic areas in our districts. Some of them took months and months and months (to fix).”

The previous regulations only applied to vacant properties that were boarded up or unsecured.

City staff said vacant properties eventually become blighted, are fire hazards and crime magnets, and lower values of surrounding properties. Owners of blighted vacant properties could be prosecuted for misdemeanors under the new ordinance, or be held civilly liable.

Owners will be required to — among other things — secure doors and windows of abandoned houses, maintain landscaping, clear debris and erect barriers to discourage illegal littering.

A second proposed law targeting banks was scheduled to be taken up at a special night council session.

The Responsible Banking Ordinance would have banks with which the city of San Diego does business file reports on neighborhood lending practices.

The plan by council President Tony Young would have banks submit annual data on their home and small business lending, modifications of distressed loans, foreclosure information, community investment, employment diversity and their number of jobs.

Young also wants two-year community reinvestment plans to be submitted for residential and small business lending in low- and moderate-income neighborhoods.

His proposed ordinance also calls for the city to establish a Community Reinvestment Review Committee made up of council members and mayoral staff to recommend which banks should receive city deposits and handle financial transactions.

Several other large cities have similar requirements, and Los Angeles adopted a similar law earlier this year, Young said.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 20:51:01

Economic stakes high in China-Japan islands dispute

Trade between the global powerhouses is likely to suffer, and Japan may focus on other regions, after China’s violent protests over islands both nations claim.

By Julie Makinen, Los Angeles Times
September 18, 2012, 7:09 p.m.

BEIJING — The worst of the anti-Japanese protests that have swept China in recent days may be over. The financial fallout for the world’s second- and third-biggest economies may be just beginning.

Japanese-owned factories, restaurants, mini-marts and clothing retailers across China closed en masse Tuesday as protests continued in nearly 100 cities, sparked by a dispute over control of uninhabited islands near Taiwan.

Automakers Nissan, Honda, Toyota and Mazda suspended operations at some plants, as did Sony. Hundreds of 7-Eleven shops run by a Japanese company were shuttered, as were dozens of outlets of the popular Gap-like Japanese clothing chain Uniqlo. Eateries serving Japanese food — even those with Chinese owners and staff — closed as well, shaken by weekend demonstrations that saw protesters overturning Japanese cars, looting businesses and setting factories on fire.

Though domestic political pressure made it difficult for either side to compromise, neither appeared to be in the mood for an escalation either. China sent hundreds of police to the Japanese Embassy on Tuesday to monitor the crowd that gathered there, and many people received text messages from the police asking them to protest peacefully.

But with the world economy struggling, damage has already been done. One analyst predicted a “short, sharp downturn” in business dealings between two major global players.

The business closures and calls to boycott Japanese goods helped drive down the stock prices of many Japanese companies, including Nissan, which fell 5%; Honda, which dropped 2.5%; and Uniqlo parent Fast Retailing, which plummeted 7%. The shares of some Chinese companies with close ties to Japanese firms also fell.

“This is the worst we have seen,” said Tetsuo Kotani, a research fellow at the Japan Institute of International Affairs in Tokyo. “This could be a turning point for Japanese companies, making them reconsider the risks in China and leading them to diversify toward Southeast Asia, South America and Africa.”

Anti-Japanese sentiment has long existed in China, and authorities often have encouraged it. The recent demonstrations were the largest and most violent since 2005, when Chinese took to the streets over grievances that included a textbook they said downplayed accounts of Japanese brutality in China and elsewhere in Asia during World War II.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2012-09-18 21:30:30

Interesting how China wants to boycott Japan competition .If this doesn’t tell you what the real mindset of China is ,I don’t know what will .

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 20:53:00

Wife and I are hosting a polling station in our garage on Election Day, 2012. Funny thing is, we both routinely mail in absentee ballots.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2012-09-18 21:24:18

Look ,as long as the Politicans are selling out to BIG MONEY and
other self interest groups ,there isn’t a hope for a President to
do what is right for America as a whole .

In history there has been a few Presidents that had to take their
case to the people in order to get the support that was needed
because they couldn’t get it from the House and the Senate . That would take a strong President . There are times when compromise isn’t the answer ,but rather right action . There are times when you have to define what the problem really is .There are times when ones in power have to see what really is at risk .

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2012-09-18 21:08:28

I guess some stimulus money just went to China production of solar panels ,in other words this translates to no job creation for Americans ,except for maybe when the units are installed in the USA .

I would venture to say that the units will have half the lifespan of
units produced elsewhere ,but the fact that they are cheaper will be the only thing considered . I’m just basing my opinion on all the other China junk I see coming in for a long time ,such as the toxic drywall
they were using during the boom from China .

But ,my main question is why all this BS about the USA losing millions of jobs to outsourcing and outmanufacturing .
In fact ,there is a issue of TREASON with this allowance of this level
of loss of jobs that floats all boats ,by the bought off Politicians .
50 years ago this would of been TREASON for a Politician to even suggest that this was acceptable .

The world labor market shouldn’t of been something that was for the taking by Industry ,and at least proper tariffs should of been charged .
The American people would not of gone for this had they known what was happening and all I can say is it was done in a such a manner that
people were out of touch with the degree it would affect the
American way of life and the job base here . The fake housing boom
delayed the obivious truth of how the American job base was being
gutted .

Why the American people aren’t more up in arms about it is beyond me .People say that Politicians can’t create jobs ,but they can certainly create laws and taxes that make it unfavorable for the gutting of jobs in America. The Politicians can penalize American Corporations that aren’t really feeding our job force .

I’ts just all so clear who is benefiting by Globalism ,and unless the world was playing by the same rules ,Globalism regarding labor markets and manufacturing isn’t rigged in favor of the worker ,or control of pollution and its producing toxic assult on the Planet . Does Wall Street care if it produces starvation in some Country by their speculation ? The great transfer of wealth to the 10% has in part been due to Globalism and nobody can say that it was earned the good old fashion way and without the exploiting of human labor .

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 22:52:37

ft dot com
Last updated: September 18, 2012 7:22 pm
Romney under fire from all sides
By Richard McGregor in Washington

Prominent conservatives joined Barack Obama in condemning Mitt Romney over leaked comments portraying the US president’s supporters as dependent on government, draining momentum from the challenger’s faltering campaign.

Mr Obama excoriated Mr Romney’s statement that said the president could count on the support of 47 per cent of Americans who rely on government, don’t pay tax and “believe they are victims”. The comments have been viewed 2.4m times online since the secretly recorded video was posted on Monday.

“One thing I’ve learned as president is that you represent the entire country,” Mr Obama said in New York on the Late Show with David Letterman, adding that very few people regarded themselves “as victims.”

But Mr Romney largely stood his ground in his first interview on the issue, saying so many Americans had fallen into poverty that “they’re not paying taxes and have to rely on government”.

“The right course to help them is not just to have government handing out but instead government helping people to get back to good jobs,” he said on Fox News.

Mr Romney also received better news on the polling front, with Gallup recording Mr Obama ahead by only 47 per cent to 46, evidence that the president’s post-convention bump has subsided.

Although some on the right urged Mr Romney to stand by his comments and amplify them on the campaign trail, William Kristol, of the conservative Weekly Standard, called them “arrogant and stupid”.

“Romney seems to have contempt not just for the Democrats who oppose him, but for tens of millions who intend to vote for him,” he wrote, referring to the many elderly people and families whose low incomes do not incur federal income taxes but support Republicans.

Two Republican Senate candidates, Linda McMahon, in Connecticut, and Scott Brown, in Massachusetts, distanced themselves from Mr Romney, saying the majority of Americans on welfare did not want to rely on government handouts.

The video clips, posted on the website of Mother Jones, a liberal magazine, upended Mr Romney’s campaign at a time when many Republicans fear their candidate is losing the election debate.

Speaking of the “47 per cent” of the population, Mr Romney said: “My job is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

In further excerpts from the video released on Tuesday, Mr Romney suggested that forging peace in the Middle East was not possible, nor was the establishment of a separate Palestinian state alongside Israel.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 22:59:20

Jimmy Carter’s intergenerational revenge:

ft dot com
Carter grandson proud of Romney leak role
By Anna Fifield in Washington, Andrew Edgecliffe-Johnson, and Emily Steel in New York

For James Carter, a self-described opposition researcher, releasing videos of Mitt Romney belittling 47 per cent of Americans who pay no federal income tax was personal.

“I don’t like criticism of my family,” the 35-year-old said. Mr Romney has repeatedly used former Democratic president Jimmy Carter, Mr Carter’s grandfather, to make unflattering comparisons about incumbent Barack Obama, accusing both of being “weak” on foreign policy.

“It gets under my skin,” the younger Mr Carter told NBC News. “I’m proud of my role in being able to track [the source of the videos] down . . . My motivation is to help Democrats get elected.”

After Mr Carter emailed his grandfather the story about the tape, the elder statesman wrote back on Tuesday morning: “James: This is extraordinary. Congratulations! Papa.:-)

Mr Carter is unemployed and has said he has not been paid for his role in revealing the damaging video, filmed at a $50,000-a-head fundraiser hosted by Marc Leder, chief executive of Sun Capital Partners, in Florida in May.

Just before the Republican convention late last month, Mr Carter found a short clip from the fundraiser on YouTube and convinced the poster, “Anne Onymous”, to give the full video to David Corn, Mother Jones’ Washington bureau chief, who he had helped research previous coverage of Bain Capital’s dealings in China.

“There was a lot of negotiation about what we could do to protect the source’s identity,” Mr Corn told the Financial Times. “Because of my track record, the source obviously felt I could be trusted.”

“Anne Onymous” had tried to promote the video for months but it did not go viral, partly because clips appeared to have been selectively edited, leading to doubts about their authenticity.

It is a fair bet that few of the donors in Mr Romney’s audience are regular readers of Mother Jones. The San Francisco-based magazine took its name from an early 20th century labour activist and once employed Michael Moore, the outspoken liberal film-maker.

The non-profit publisher relies mostly on donations, topped up by subscriptions and some advertising revenue, and sells 240,000 copies of its bimonthly magazine.

The publication specialises in what Mr Corn called “muckraking” investigative exposes, often featuring corporate cover-ups, social injustices and environmental scandals. An appeal for donations on its website tells readers: “The rightwing lie machine is out of control this election. But Mother Jones is here to fact check politicians like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan”.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 23:08:24

ft dot com
September 18, 2012 7:57 pm
Romney rescue plan – Cut the accountancy
By Lloyd Green

The campaign is not going well for Mitt Romney. The state of the electorate in mid-September is generally indicative of the election result seven weeks later. The former Massachusetts governor should be worried: he is behind in all but one of the swing states (North Carolina) and has written off the Americans who pay no federal income tax.

Consigning almost half – 47 per cent, to be as precise as Mr Romney is in a widely circulated video – of the possible vote to your opponent is not exactly a wise electoral strategy. Still, the election remains winnable for Mr Romney. But the road will be rocky and Mr Romney must offer a coherent rationale for his election if he intends to win. Saying that “I’m not the other guy” won’t do it.

He must convey his concerns about the middle class. This was his problem in the primaries and it remains his problem heading into the endgame. Simply calling for tax cuts for hedge fund gods isn’t working. Mr Romney unsurprisingly polls well with the relatively affluent. He holds a 16 point lead among those with incomes north of $90,000. His mission now is to correct his error and connect with middle income Americans.

For starters, Mr Romney should pivot away from attacking the 47 per cent who pay no federal income tax. Many are retirees who once paid taxes, spent a lifetime working and are the base of the Republican party. They predominate in resolutely Republican states, such as Texas, and in swing states, such as Florida.

Mr Romney must demonstrate self-awareness. He must acknowledge that he has succeeded in life and business. From there, he needs to address the fact that the middle class is being squeezed and then state that growth in America’s economy is the way out. Having benefited from Cayman Island shelters, he cannot castigate the have-nots. Rather, Mr Romney needs to say that America holds promise for all.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 23:16:28

Sept. 19, 2012, 12:00 a.m. EDT
QE3 is much ado about nothing
Commentary: Monetary ease is not the cure for what ails us
By Irwin Kellner, MarketWatch

PORT WASHINGTON, N.Y. (MarketWatch) — Like it or not, the burden of strengthening the fragile recovery has fallen on the shoulders of Ben Bernanke and his colleagues at the Federal Reserve. This is unfortunate, since the Fed’s record shows how ineffective it has been at this task.

Over the past four years, the central bank has cut its overnight lending rate to zero, bailed out the banks, bought loads of long-term Treasurys as well as mortgage-backed securities in an effort to resuscitate the economy and thus lower the jobless rate, but to no avail.

The economy may not be tumbling the way it was four years ago ( see last week’s column ) but it is still growing at a glacial pace. What is more, we have picked up only half the jobs lost during the Great Recession, leaving unemployment and underemployment painfully high.

Now the Fed says it will do more buying and more promising. It plans to buy a boatload of MBS and says short-term rates won’t rise before 2015 — all in the name of bringing down the unemployment rate.

Promising to keep short rates low this long is an unwise commitment.

For one thing, Ben Bernanke may not be Fed chair at that time if Mitt Romney wins the presidency. For another, inflation has already begun to pick up, bringing back memories of stagflation ( see my column of Aug. 14 ).

Both the producer price index and the consumer price index shot up in August, propelled by a jump in food and energy prices — two essentials. The excess liquidity that the Fed has already created will enable these increases to spread to the rest of the price indexes.

All this said, the level of interest rates today is not the problem; they are about as low as they can go. Neither is the availability of money, since the banks are already stuffed to the gills with cash that they are reluctant to lend.

Promising to keep rates low may actually be counterproductive, since this may be discouraging borrowing ( see my column of Aug. 7 ). Low rates also hurt savers, especially seniors, who rely on safe, interest-bearing investments for a big chunk of their income.

No, Virginia, the real problem today is something that monetary policy can’t control — especially when rates are as low as they are today. I am referring to uncertainty rooted in politics.

The upcoming elections are a good example.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 23:28:03

Kathleen Parker: Cyborg Mitt

Republican presidential candidate and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney speaks to reporters about the secretly taped video from one of his campaign fundraising events in Costa Mesa, Calif., Monday, Sept. 17, 2012. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

1 hour ago • Kathleen Parker • kathleenparker@washpost.com

What’s a day without a leaked video, a scandal, an unintended sliver of truth?

OMG: Mitt Romney doesn’t care about the votes of the 47 percent of Americans who don’t pay federal income taxes and therefore don’t care much about his message of lower taxes.

Who. Knew?

Oh the umbrage, the unforced errors. How can we hand over the presidency to a man who cares so little about those who have no intention of voting for him?

Romney should know better. It’s not as though there was no precedent for this sort of thing. Four years ago, Barack Obama spoke candidly at a similar “private” fundraiser in San Francisco, saying that small-town Pennsylvania voters expressed their economic frustrations by clinging “to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them.”

A person running for president should keep his thinking cap more tightly affixed even when among his own kind, millionaires in Romney’s case. And he should make sure his facts are right. Although true that nearly 47 percent don’t pay income taxes, most do pay payroll taxes, as many have pointed out. Moreover, of the 18.1 percent of households that pay neither income nor payroll taxes, most are elderly or earn less than $20,000, according to the Tax Policy Center.

But it is also true that tax issues are of greater significance to those who see large chunks of income disappear from their checks each pay period. It’s easy to decide how much others should pay for your support when it’s not your money.

Still, Romney’s comments sounded callous and merciless, and will haunt him through the election. They also revealed something we hadn’t previously seen. Unguarded, Romney is no compassionate conservative. At his core, he is … a cyborg.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 23:32:24

Bloomberg News
Romney’s 47% Comments Show Gap From Bush-Era Republicans
By Richard Rubin on September 18, 2012

Eleven years ago, eliminating income taxes for low-income Americans was an applause line for a Republican president. Mitt Romney in 2012 sees the number of people paying nothing as a political problem.

The Republican presidential candidate’s comments that 47 percent of Americans don’t pay income taxes and see themselves as “victims” dependent on the government signifies a shift in the party’s thinking. Republicans backed refundable tax credits and expanded entitlement programs under George W. Bush. Now they want to curtail entitlements and require more people to pay taxes.

“The working people who don’t pay income tax, that is by and large the result of Republican policies,” said Michael Linden, director of tax and budget policy at the Center for American Progress, a Washington group aligned with Democrats. He said he didn’t “understand why they’re not trumpeting this.”

Romney’s comments, made at a private fundraising event in May and distributed by Mother Jones magazine Sept. 17, reignited a debate over how progressive the tax code should be and how those who don’t pay taxes view their connection to the government. Romney said in the video that he couldn’t attract votes from people who depend on government or persuade them to “take personal responsibility” for their lives.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 23:34:51

Economy
Face It: 2013 Is Gonna Be a Bummer
By Matthew Philips on September 13, 2012

Whether it’s Barack Obama or Mitt Romney taking the presidential oath of office in January, someone will have the misfortune of overseeing an economy that looks a lot like the one we have today: low growth, persistently high unemployment, and huge amounts of debt. Depending on what happens with the “fiscal cliff,” there’s at least a chance the U.S. will be in recession. The mere threat of $600 billion in tax hikes and spending cuts is already delaying business spending. Yet even if Congress does broker a deal and the worst of the fiscal cliff is postponed, 2013 is shaping up to be a rough year.

Big economic forces, both domestic and abroad, are combining to dampen growth. Fundamentals such as demographics and household finances that helped spur past recoveries are now slowing things down. These trends aren’t affected much by policy, so fixing them will be beyond the immediate grasp of an Obama or Romney administration. “No matter who wins the election, from a truly economic standpoint, 2013 will be an extremely challenging year,” says David Rosenberg, chief economist at Gluskin Sheff + Associates.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-09-18 23:37:26

Features
Student Loans: Debt for Life
By Peter Coy on September 18, 2012

(Corrects the 20th paragraph to provide a more recent total for student loans owed by people 60 and over: $43 billion rather than $36 billion. Corrects position of the National Association of Student Financial Aid Administrators on legislation introduced by Senator Al Franken.)

This much we know: College pays. You can lose your house to foreclosure, but never your education. Four-year college graduates’ pay advantage over high school grads has doubled over the past 30 years. If money for tuition is tight, the advice goes, borrow what you need. Students have been listening. In 2010 student debt exceeded credit-card debt for the first time. In 2011 it surpassed auto loans. In March, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau announced that student debt had passed $1 trillion. It grew by $300 billion from the third quarter of 2008 even as other forms of debt shrank by $1.6 trillion, according to a separate tabulation by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. In a press briefing at the White House in April, Education Secretary Arne Duncan said, “Obviously if you have no debt that’s maybe the best situation, but this is not bad debt to have. In fact, it’s very good debt to have.”

If student loans are good debt, how do you account for the reaction of Christina Mills, 30, of Minneapolis, when she found out her payment on college and law school loans would be $1,400 a month? “I just went into the car and started sobbing,” says Mills, who works for a nonprofit. “It was more than my paycheck at the time.” Medical student Thomas Smith, 25, of Hamilton, N.J., is $310,000 in debt and is struggling to make ends meet even before beginning to repay his loans. “I don’t even know what I eat,” he says. “I just go to the supermarket and buy the cheapest thing I can and buy as much of it as I can.” Then there’s Michael DiPietro, 25, of Brooklyn, who accumulated about $100,000 in debt while getting a bachelor’s degree in fashion, sculpture, and performance, and spent the next two years waiting tables. He has since landed a fundraising job in the arts but still has no idea how he will pay back all that money. “I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s an obsolete idea that a college education is like your golden ticket,” DiPietro says. “It’s an idea that an older generation holds on to.”

 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-09-19 05:22:42

Down here TPTB have been effective in keeping what were dropping prices in 09 from going any lower.

Posted: 7:00 a.m. Wednesday, Sept. 19, 2012

Florida home prices bottomed earlier than previously thought, according to one study

By Kimberly Miller

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

WEST PALM BEACH —
A new home sales measure says Florida prices hit a soft bottom in 2009, years earlier than what some experts have declared as the low point for real estate.

The measure, similar to the respected national Standard & Poor’s/Case-Shiller price index, was created by Florida Realtors Chief Economist John Tuccillo to be a more accurate reflection of sale prices in the state.

Tuccillo said he was surprised that the index pointed to 2009 as a bottom, but said that was also a time when investors began eyeing Florida for real estate deals.

“Since then we’ve been sort of rocking along on a bumpy road,” said Tuccillo, who developed the index over about a year’s time. “It’s essentially been flat, but in this context flat is probably good news after the large run-up and drop.”

According to the index, Florida sales prices increased 152 percent from January 2000 to the peak of the market in November 2006. They fell 43 percent from the peak to mid-2009.

Realtors have long complained that the current method of reporting monthly median home sales prices doesn’t offer a true measure of increasing and decreasing values. The median, which means half of homes sold above the price and half below, can be greatly influenced if a large number of either distressed properties or luxury homes sell in one month.

A report on August’s sales of existing homes will be released today using the median price measure.

Florida’s new index is considered a “repeat sales index.” It combines Florida Department of Revenue data with prices of the same individual properties sold over time. The index is expected to be released quarterly but because of a lag in some statewide data, the first index runs only through August 2011.

Like Case-Shiller, the Florida home price index measures sales as compared with January 2000 when the index was set at 100. Case-Shiller’s Florida data include Tampa and South Florida, which combines Palm Beach, Broward and Miami-Dade counties.

National Association of Realtors spokesman Walter Moloney said he’s not aware of another state that has its own price index. California releases an “affordability index” that measures the percentage of all households that can afford to purchase a single-family home, but its sale prices are reported as a median.

While the public may prefer a median sales price that reports an actual dollar figure over an index, the index is considered more accurate.

Still, Palm Beach County Realtors said a statewide index doesn’t always reflect regional specifics.

Kevin Kent, a broker-associate with Platinum Properties, which has offices in Jupiter, Juno Beach and Stuart, said South Florida’s home sale prices probably hit a bottom later than 2009.

“When you step back and look at the entire state, that’s probably accurate,” Kent said. “But when you break it down into pockets and certain areas that were hit the hardest, the numbers wouldn’t be the same.”

In April, analysts at the online real estate database Zillow said South Florida sale prices hit bottom at the end of 2011. Case-Shiller’s index shows a bottom in Palm Beach, Broward and Miami-Dade counties in April 2011, but that prices had stabilized some before that.

Florida International University real estate professor Ken H. Johnson agrees that 2011 marked the bottom.

“Back in November, I thought it was pretty clear we had bottomed and housing was as affordable as it’s been in 40 years,” he said. “I said that was the turn, and we’ve not seen prices go down.”

 
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