October 1, 2012

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Comment by frankie
2012-10-01 02:16:39

Spain’s debt levels will increase further next year, the government has predicted, putting Madrid under more pressure as it continues efforts to trim spending.

Treasury Minister Cristobal Montoro said debt would likely reach 85.3% of the country’s annual economic output this year, increasing to 90.5% in 2013.

His comments come after more cost-cutting plans were unveiled last week.

Many analysts consider it only a matter of time before Spain needs a bailout.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19777114

The beat goes on.

 
Comment by Houses Depreciate Rapidly
2012-10-01 05:00:58

If you pay current asking prices for resale housing, you’re going to lose money. Alot of money.

Comment by azdude
2012-10-01 06:41:01

the FED will print until unemployment is 7% according to chuckie evans. Rates will go lower and home prices will soar.

Comment by Houses Depreciate Rapidly
2012-10-01 09:33:50

They continue to fall in the meantime.

Anything else?

 
 
 
Comment by Lip
2012-10-01 05:15:32

57 Previously Undiscovered Fast and Furious Guns Used in Mexican Crimes

Fifty seven previously unidentified firearms linked to Operation Fast and Furious were recovered in sites associated with murders, kidnappings, and at least two gruesome massacres.

http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/57-previously-undiscovered-fast-furious-guns-mexican-crimes/story?id=17361775#.UGkGzfl27u0

“If” this were a Republican Administration, this news story would be leading all of the MSM broadcasts every day.

How can Holder keep his job??? Only through the blessings of the compliant Obama lapdogs, the MSM.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-10-01 06:08:29

Yep, the “gunwalking” programs, started under and running for years by the Bush 2 admin, and then inherited and continued by the Obama admin, were a bit of a head scratcher.

Comment by CharlieTango
2012-10-01 06:22:24

The gunwalking under Bush was different in 2 ways.

1) They actually tracked where the guns went so the program had some potential benifit.

2) They stopped the gun walking under Bush.

President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program “Begun Under the Previous Administration”
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/president-obama-falsely-claims-fast-and-furious-program-begun-under-the-previous-administration/

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-10-01 06:44:35

It’s mostly about being nit-picky about when “Fast and Furious” itself started. The “gunwalking” programs started and ran under Bush 2, and continued under Obama. From the opinion piece you posted:

In actuality, the Fast and Furious program was started in October 2009, nine months into the Obama presidency.

Previous programs involving ATF agents allowing guns to “walk” across the border so as to trace them were run during the Bush presidency, but not this particular “field-initiated program.

From wikipedia:

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The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) ran a series of “gunwalking” sting operations[2][3] between 2006[4] and 2011.[2][5] These operations were done under the umbrella of Project Gunrunner, a project intended to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico by interdicting straw purchasers and gun traffickers within the United States.[6] “Gun walking” or “letting guns walk” was a tactic whereby the ATF “purposely allowed licensed firearms dealers to sell weapons to illegal straw buyers, hoping to track the guns to Mexican drug cartel leaders.”[7] The stated goal of allowing these purchases was to continue to track the firearms as they were transferred to higher-level traffickers and key figures in Mexican cartels, with the expectation that this would lead to their arrests and the dismantling of the cartels.[8][9] The tactic was questioned during the operations by a number of people, including ATF field agents and cooperating licensed gun dealers.[10][11][12][13][14] Operation Fast and Furious, by far the largest “gunwalking” probe, monitored the sale of over 2,000 firearms, of which nearly 700 were recovered as of October 20, 2011.[1

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Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-10-01 14:55:33

Guess the “moron” was correct after all.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-10-01 15:18:42

Guess the “moron” was correct after all.

Wrong, as usual.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-01 20:35:36

Lying, as usual.

 
 
 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-10-01 06:57:41

“Yep, the “gunwalking” programs, started under and running for years by the Bush 2 admin, and then inherited and continued by the Obama admin, were a bit of a head scratcher.”

President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program “Begun Under the Previous Administration”

By Jake Tapper
Sep 21, 2012 11:39am

Asked about the Fast and Furious program at the Univision forum on Thursday, President Obama falsely claimed that the program began under President George W. Bush.

“I think it’s important for us to understand that the Fast and Furious program was a field-initiated program begun under the previous administration,” the president said. “When Eric Holder found out about it, he discontinued it. We assigned a inspector general to do a thorough report that was just issued, confirming that in fact Eric Holder did not know about this, that he took prompt action and the people who did initiate this were held accountable.”

In actuality, the Fast and Furious program was started in October 2009, nine months into the Obama presidency.

Previous programs involving ATF agents allowing guns to “walk” across the border so as to trace them were run during the Bush presidency, but not this particular “field-initiated program.”

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/president-obama-falsely-claims-fast-and-furious-program-begun-under-the-previous-administration/ -

6/22/2012 @ 3:31PM

Fast and Furious: Obama’s Potential Watergate Is About Eric Holder’s Missing E-Mails

That’s the tone surrounding the congressional investigation into Operation Fast and Furious. That’s how heated the congressional investigation has been. Now 18 months after Special Agent Brian Terry was killed with an AK-47 that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) purposely let “walk” into Mexico, President Barack Obama has used executive privilege to shield documents related to the gunrunning program.

This use of executive privilege has forced even mainstream news outlets to stop mostly ignoring this scandal. It must have been hard for so many reporters to lay off this one; after all, this story deals with thousands of missing guns, the deaths of two American law-enforcement officers, corruption, obvious cover-ups, and, according to the Attorney General of Mexico, Marisela Morales, has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of Mexicans. Yeah, some journalists have a lot of catching up to do.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminiter/2012/06/22/fast-and-furious-obamas-potential-watergate-is-about-eric-holders-missing-e-mails/ - 73k

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-10-01 06:22:34

You have to break the law to enforce it.

“were a Republican Administration…”

That part is just magical thinking.

Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-10-01 07:23:50

Now had they come up with a program allowing ATF agents to “walk” houses across the border they may have been on to something.

BY GERARDO TENANT and SANTIAGO UNKNOWN
Sept. 30, 2012

Fifty seven previously unidentified houses linked to Operation Fast and Furious were recovered in sites associated with foreclosures, short sales, and at least two gruesome Robo signings.

Univision News obtained the list of Fast and Furious houses and a list containing almost 60,000 recovered houses compiled by Mexico’s Secretaría de la Defensa Nacional (SEDENA). A cross-reference of the loan numbers of the houses resulted in 96 full matches (several partial matches were discarded). The 96 houses linked to Operation Fast and Furious all turned up on El Realtor. com in Mexico from 2009 to 2010.

 
 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-10-01 07:32:57

“How can Holder keep his job???”

“President Barack Obama has used executive privilege to shield documents related to the gunrunning program.”

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-01 07:50:52

John Corzine is still a free man…..yet his clients still have not been made whole and probably never will be…..

Comment by Ross Peroxide
2012-10-01 08:13:22

Holder’s previous employer is representing Corzine.

Could that be the reason?

Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-01 08:56:25

“The last thing I ever want to see is our country taken over because we’re so financially weak, we can’t do anything,” Perot says.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/10/01/perot-20-years-later/1603897/

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Comment by Bluestar
2012-10-01 09:18:32

Remember this Lip. All these State Security Agencies are staffed with career people that think up this stuff, it’s what they do. Doesn’t matter Clinton, Bush, Obama… You want it to stop then just eliminate them. Start with the ATF, DEA, most of ICE.
Make your own list.
Point is it doesn’t matter who is at the top because they are entrenched bureaucracies. You kill a weed by destroying the roots.

Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-10-01 10:55:34

“You kill a weed by destroying the roots.”

Cut off the head of a snake and the tail dies.

 
Comment by Lip
2012-10-01 11:00:34

If it doesn’t matter, why is Obama shielding Bolder and why is the MSM pretending nothing has happened?

Maybe Univision can show the world what has happened.

 
 
Comment by ahansen
2012-10-01 12:36:34

Flog it, fellas. Flog it to mincemeat. Nobody cares but you and a few desperate dittoheads. Enough of us lived through Iran-Contra to understand that well-intentioned bumbling isn’t the same as out-and-out trea$on.

There’s plenty of misdeeds to go after this administration for. This isn’t one of them.

Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-01 12:56:53

Unless it was intentional…

 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-10-01 13:24:12

“Nobody cares but you and a few desperate dittoheads.”

Somebody cares. I am taking a wild guess that the families of the hundreds killed in Mexico might care too. Or is the always compasionate left only compasionate when it fits into their playbook?

Family of slain fed wants Fast and Furious firings

By Sharyl Attkisson
CBS News/ September 25, 2012, 1:22 PM

(CBS News) The family of murdered Border Patrol agent Brian Terry says he might still be alive if only he’d been told that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) was allowing “hundreds of high-powered assault weapons to flow to Mexican Drug Trafficking Organizations” in Operation Fast and Furious.

Terry was part of an elite Border Patrol team patrolling the Arizona desert near the U.S.-Mexico border on Dec. 14, 2010, when he was gunned down by illegal immigrants. Two rifles from Fast and Furious were found at the murder scene.

On Tuesday, the Terry family gave its first detailed response to a blistering Inspector General’s (IG) report on the government’s handling of the scandal. The report faults at least 18 officials from ATF in Phoenix all the way up to Justice Department headquarters for serious mismanagement and judgment failures.

The IG report said there was no evidence anyone told Attorney General Eric Holder about the massive cross-border “gunwalking” operation that had gone on under his watch for more than a year. ATF didn’t share case information with Terry’s Border Patrol team, which faced fallout from the release of thousands of weapons into drug cartel hands.

According to Terry’s family, in a written statement obtained by CBS News: “If Brian and his team had known about this information, they would have been on a far more defensive posture and would have taken appropriate measures to protect themselves from harm…”

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57519930/family-of-slain-fed-wants-fast-and-furious-firings/ - 85k -

 
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-10-01 14:57:02

Holder wanted to turn public opinion against the second amendment and you know it. Why can’t progressives just be honest about their intentions?

Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-01 16:15:11

I think when it comes to weakening the 2nd amendment the antigun people are neck deep in “the end justifies the means”.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-10-01 16:37:39

So you think they conspired to sell guns to Mexican drug cartels to somehow make gun ownership look bad in America?

That’s a convoluted and illogical conspiracy theory. For one thing, lawlessness and violence in a country next door makes gun ownership more attractive to many here.

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-10-01 19:41:15

If you’re trying to sell a conspiracy theory, at least make it plausible?

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-02 09:15:18

It’s plenty plausible…you guys just don’t want to see it.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-01 20:38:45

“progressives”

Dumb question of the day:

What’s a progressive, and why does that word inspire a never-ending rant?

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Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-01 05:17:25

This article seems to explain our current situation pretty well…

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-the-problem-with-our-economy-2012-9

Comment by azdude
2012-10-01 06:44:34

good article. also other countires can pay people less cause they havent printed so much money and devalued currency.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-10-01 06:47:29

And they have no environmental or safety regulations, and most of the people have low standards of living. (Must kind of sound like heaven to a Repub.)

Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-01 07:33:18

I have cousins in Mexico with college degrees. They earn on average $1500 a month and most, even those in their 30’s and 40’s. still live with their parents.

Since they don’t pay rent, utilities (other than the mobile phone), groceries, etc. most of them have a decent car and can afford to go with their friends on trips to Acapulco and Cancun. Of course, they’re all single.

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Comment by Ross Peroxide
2012-10-01 07:48:26

Coming to town near you if it’s not already there.

This may reduce some health cost as a whole when children start looking after the parents or grandparents.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-01 07:54:15

Ross…maybe that was the idea behind McMansions we have 2 extra bedrooms for the old folks…..but dang the HOA wont allow extended families to live there….

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-01 08:49:47

I’ve never heard of an HOA that forbids “extended” families sharing a house.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-01 09:04:47

trust me i know co-ops here in NYC that do…so why not HOA’s…by limiting the number of people living there even if its family?

Or a better way is you have 2 parking spaces and NO MORE…you cant even buy one…or use the visitors spot..

 
Comment by polly
2012-10-01 09:44:09

Because HOAs aren’t in NYC and aren’t co-ops.

As for forbidding extended families, the most restrictive housing for that purpose is senior housing. In the “active senior” development my parents live in, I would not be allowed to live in the basement. Too young. I think I can be there for two weeks a year. Anything else is a violation of the HOA.

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2012-10-01 08:08:42

Well, this article is my theme song that I preach and preach
and to sum it up, sustainable cost of living jobs floats all boats .

The article is so right in saying that some people are doing good ,but you have more and more numbers not doing very well that become a drain on the entire system .Young people are concerned about even having opportunity in this culture
going into the future . The answers that have come are the answers that support Big Business and Big Multi-National Corps and whats good for Wall Street and the Banks .It’s been a disaster for the working class ,especially certain sectors .The last 7 years has proven that the policies have supported a jobless recovery and more of the same as far as the money transfers going uphill .

Really ,the nerve of the Fleecing Class ,who actually have been spoiled by the stacked deck ,than they don’t do anything to heal the Nation because they are decoupled from this Nation of workers .

How can Politicians defend taxes and policies that protect systems that have been so lop-sided in protecting and stacking the deck in favor of this money transfer and opportunity away from so many working class people in the USA ?The Government is just their pawn to transfer the cost of the ruin they leave ,and you better not tax them because the World has become their oyster and the Government is there to pay for their gutting of America ,or austerity sounds like a good punishment for the people .

But ,like the article suggests ,what they are doing is not sustainable in terms of having a vibrant well balanced economy . It just seems to be how to keep the current
status quo ,or policies that are effective bail outs to sectors that are the chosen ones at other sectors expense . It’s nuts .

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Comment by comrade mike
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-10-01 06:22:03

Good mixed metaphor in the article:

“…none of us know how we’re going to navigate out of this particular quadrant of the liquidity pool in this ocean of money. And what I’m concerned about is that we may be painting ourselves into a corner,” he said.

Comment by ahansen
2012-10-01 12:39:33

Hey, at least it’s liquid….

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-01 08:12:01

This is my point all along we have people we need work done….but the welfare/UI system is set up to penalize people rather then help.

Force people to work 20 hours a week that benefits their resume….heck companies hire interns all the time…(not moping floors unless your last job was a janitor)

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These are not the bloated stomachs of the starving. They are a picture of the results of a bloated Government that requires nothing in return for cash.

Comment by Montana
2012-10-01 08:59:11

You mean you weren’t fooled by those shirts hanging down to their knees?

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-10-01 09:28:20

“Force people to work 20 hours a week that benefits their resume….heck companies hire interns all the time”

This sounds like a great way to force wages down. Why would an employer hire someone at a normal wage with benefits, when they can intern 2 from the unemployment line at no pay and no benefits?

Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-01 09:39:28

Because either way you MUST today have a recent job in your field to get hired …..so 3-6 month “internship” will force employers to hire you or lose your “intern” to your competitor who does pay…

Either way the employee wins because of the FREE on the job training…and you’re still getting your weekly UI check or EBT card….I’d do it today if it was offered….

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-10-01 22:54:30

The unemployed person, looking for a job, gets experience. This is a benefit to the unemployed person. It is a net negative to those in the workforce to have to compete against someone who is working for free.

Eventually, the unemployed person will be in the workforce competing against others who are now unemployed (interning and working for free), some of whom may have been let go because the employer could hire the formerly unemployed interns and pay them nothing.

Other employers are forced to follow suit or go out of business. Pretty soon, the government is paying unemployment benefits to just about everyone so employers can continue to hire interns that cost them nothing.

At that point, everyone has recent experience on their resume and you are back to square one when you get laid off so the company can hire another couple of interns.

I understand where you are coming from, because I have contemplated offering to work a probationary period for free just to get a foot in the door. It works if one person does it. But it is a classic death spiral for a labor force.

 
 
Comment by polly
2012-10-01 09:48:51

You have to read most of dj’s comments through his own very narrow lens. He thinks he would be able to get a job if he could get an internship. He can’t get an internship (presumably because they are done through schools and he isn’t in school). So he wants to force companies to hire unemployed people as interns. None of the larger issues seem to be of any concern to him.

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Comment by CharlieTango
2012-10-01 05:25:55

Is 9 years old too young?

According to BikyaMasr, cleric Yassir Barhami cited the Koran in stating that once a girl begins menstruating, usually around 14-years-old, she should begin having children.

Therefore, he reportedly explained, “it is permissible for the girl at the age of 9 or 10 to marry.”

The question shouldn’t be ’should the 9 year old girls be _ALLOWED_ to marry. The real question is should the Egyptian people be allowed to _FORCE_ 9 year old girls to be married so they can be legally raped?

Its a good thing they had Eleana Kaagen’s advice so they will hopefully ignore the US constitution as a model and follow an example from Islam.

Comment by CharlieTango
2012-10-01 06:08:52

BikyaMasr is a Egyptian cleric and member of the Constituent Assembly tasked with drafting Egypt’s new constitution

http://www.bikyamasr.com/78631/egypt-sheikh-says-girls-should-be-married-have-children-starting-at-14-years-old/

Comment by CharlieTango
2012-10-01 06:28:17

BikyaMasr Yassir Barhami is a Egyptian cleric and member of the Constituent Assembly tasked with drafting Egypt’s new constitution

 
 
Comment by Spook
2012-10-01 06:30:15

Why do you assume a Muslim father thinks differently than you?

Why would a father marry his daughter off at 9 when if he waited a few more years, she would be more beautiful and hence able to land a better husband from a better family?

This is a strawmuslim.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-10-01 06:38:34

Straw whatever. If you make it legal, a lot of “civilized” people will murder their own children.

Comment by vinceinwaukesha
2012-10-01 06:49:01

I think one one fringe Muslim has about the same impact as one fringe christian from Utah daydreaming aloud about polygamy.

Frankly I’d be scared if Rmoney wins and polygamy is allowed (probably a quid pro quo deal where the R’s agree to legalize gay marriage and the D’s agree to legalize polygamy) the only thing worse than one woman hounding me to death at home, would be two of them, so I can totally sympathize with the unspoken fear factor.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2012-10-01 08:07:43

Can you imagine if they were both 14 year olds? IIRC those next three years are a raging hormone hell. I raised three daughters BTW.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-01 08:20:45

the only thing worse than one woman hounding me to death at home, would be two of them

In theory couldn’t they maybe complain to each other and leave the husband out of it?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-10-01 08:25:26

It’s hard to imagine how polygamy could work without an extreme patriarchy to support it.

 
Comment by polly
2012-10-01 09:51:08

“It’s hard to imagine how polygamy could work without an extreme patriarchy to support it.”

Plus you have to have something to do with the extra men.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-01 09:58:53

It probably works best in the case where the extra men are already dead and/or not suitable marriage material for whatever reason. It would appear that right now some men are willingly putting themselves in that category.

 
Comment by vinceinwaukesha
2012-10-01 09:59:14

“In theory couldn’t they maybe complain to each other and leave the husband out of it?”

A long cultural tradition of mother-in-law jokes which are Very Thinly veiled polygamy jokes, shows the husband never comes out the winner in the triumvirate.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-10-01 10:10:38

something to do with the extra men.

That’s what wars are for. Plus you need some eunuchs.

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-10-01 12:46:35

“…It’s hard to imagine how polygamy could work without an extreme patriarchy to support it….”

The most extreme Big Daddy of all, welfare.

 
Comment by sfhomowner
2012-10-01 14:59:28

It probably works best in the case where the extra men are already dead and/or not suitable marriage material for whatever reason

China might need to force its citizens to engage in polygamy. More social engineering of personal lives in order to fox the problem that social engineering created.

 
Comment by Dale
2012-10-01 21:54:22

“something to do with the extra men.”

…..Oh,…I thought that was why they wanted to legalize gay marriage at the same time as polygamy.

 
 
Comment by Spook
2012-10-01 07:15:23

In addition, what 9 year old Muslim BOY has a choice to pick up that 303. to defend his clan?

Why are Muslim BOYS never too young to “man up?”

I don’t hear you mouthin off about that?

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Comment by Ryan
2012-10-01 10:55:35

Keep in mind it isn’t just the little girls who get abused. The little boys get it just as bad, in an emasculating way.

 
 
 
Comment by CharlieTango
2012-10-01 06:43:25

This is a strawmuslim.

Not Straw at all!

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-10-01 06:35:42

The real question is should the Egyptian people be allowed to _FORCE_ 9 year old girls to be married so they can be legally raped?

Oddly enough (and probably due to religious nuts), most of the US has no minimum age for marriage- although parental and/or court approval is usually required for those under a certain age (usually 16 to 18).

And there’s nothing about it in our Constitution, either.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-10-01 06:40:57

I got married as a minor. Had to have my mother’s signature. Ironically, my spouse to be was even younger, but legally an adult.

 
Comment by CharlieTango
2012-10-01 06:46:42

And there’s nothing about it in our Constitution, either.

But there is a tradition begun by Mohammad to marry at 9 and have sex at 12, its no joke - have a look.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-10-01 07:17:18

I wonder at what age Christian girls were getting married in those days. I suspect quite early by today’s standards.

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Comment by CharlieTango
2012-10-01 07:34:47

Muslims are marrying 9 year olds today.

Egyptian Muslims are advocating permitting it in today’s constitution.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-10-01 07:48:13

I was responding to your post about Mohammad starting the tradition of early marrying age. I think the tradition was already in place, worldwide, in those days.

And women/girls regularly married in their early teens- or earlier- in rural America back in the relatively recent Good Old Days.

Yes, I think 9 is way too young to be married, even if they’re waiting until they’re 12 to have sex (I wonder how much that is followed). But we were doing something quite similar, quite recently.

Then those darn progressives started hollering about it.

 
Comment by CharlieTango
2012-10-01 08:18:12

But we were doing something quite similar, quite recently.

We? speak for yourself.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-10-01 08:23:10

We? speak for yourself.

I speak for America. You might not like it, but it’s true. Girls married at very young ages, quite recently, right here in the good old god-fearing USA.

 
Comment by CharlieTango
2012-10-01 08:49:30

alpha-sloth says: I speak for America.

I sure hope not. You do not speak for the America that I love.

Go ahead, take a 2nd and look at the photo and tell me again how you are just looking at America.

Revealing photo of children waiting in line for marriage ceremony so that their childhood of rape can begin

 
Comment by polly
2012-10-01 10:03:34

I can’t speak for Christians in 680 CE, but Shakespeare’s Juliet is 13 during the action of the play. Her mother says that she was already a mother at Juliet’s age. Others say that many of her age are already “happy mothers made.” That implies marriage and sex at 12. Possibly even 11.

It was traditional in Judaism for excellent young scholars to be married off very young, presumably to similarly very young women. It was considered an honor for the wealthy families in the city to have their young daughters married to the best young scholars and support the couple who would live with the young woman’s parents. I also believe there was an idea that the young man wouldn’t be too terribly distracted from his studies by his hormones if he was getting his nookie at home with his wife.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-01 10:05:17

I also believe there was an idea that the young man wouldn’t be too terribly distracted from his studies by his hormones if he was getting his nookie at home with his wife.

There is a certain logic to that.

 
Comment by polly
2012-10-01 10:59:27

There is a certain logic. It certainly annoyed a Catholic friend of mine once. He hated the fact that in his background, the smartest young men were dumped in monestaries and didn’t get married at all.

 
Comment by Ryan
2012-10-01 11:02:58

I try to stay out of the ivory tower here in America when looking at the rest of the world but I think most would agree that 9-12 years old is a little too young. I think you could also agree that allowing pre-pubescent little boys to be habitually sodomized by adult males is also wrong.

That being said, what do you do about it? This is a separate sovereign country with views that are diametrically opposed to what we believe in these areas. Are we going to war for the children? Are we going to have UN create new sanctions?

 
Comment by CharlieTango
2012-10-01 12:18:57

That being said, what do you do about it?

We can see Kaagen’s advice for what it is. We can advise to not provide for constitutional child rape. We can cease funding the Muslim brotherhood.

 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-10-01 12:34:57

That being said, what do you do about it? This is a separate sovereign country with views that are diametrically opposed to what we believe in these areas. Are we going to war for the children? Are we going to have UN create new sanctions?

“I do not personally regard the whole of the remaining cities of Germany as worth the bones of one British Grenadier” — Bomber Harris

It’s a heterogeneous world out there. If they want to do things we find ridiculous and repugnant, that’s their right. They just can’t come here and do them, and we shouldn’t be going over there to impose our will on them, at the cost of more American servicemen’s blood.

Remember - there is a price for imposing our will. To again reference Bomber Harris:

“The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.”

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-10-01 13:03:55

“…Revealing photo of children waiting in line for marriage ceremony so that their childhood of rape can begin…”

How do you know this isn’t a “Daddy and Me” Sunday School outing? Or a confirmation ceremony? Because the caption says so? Where the link? These guys are way too young, well-dressed, non-furtive and attractive to be holding hands in public with young females they intend to rape. Moreover they are all clean-shaven. Hardly fundamentalist Islam.

Use your brain, CT. Certainly there are pedophiles in any society, ours included. But this ain’t a picture of them “waiting in line”.

 
Comment by Spook
2012-10-01 13:16:52

Comment by Ryan
2012-10-01 11:02:58
I think you could also agree that allowing pre-pubescent little boys to be habitually sodomized by adult males is also wrong.
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You mean like Sandusky at Penn State?

You don’t hafta run halfway around the world lookin for abuse; why don’t you clean up your own backyard?

Also, correct me if Im wrong, but weren’t those black male children he abused? Maybe thats why the abuse went on so long.

You may now remove the plank from your eye.

 
Comment by Ryan
2012-10-01 14:52:41

There is a wide, yawning gap in how that behavior is treated here in ‘Merica and over in the ‘Box’. Over here, we send the Sandusky’s of the world to the shower to get their, shall we say comeuppance. While in large swaths of the ME, particularly the more fundamentalist areas it is not only tolerated but expected.

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-10-01 15:18:54

There are fundamentalist blogs listing underage daughters for sale/marriage, right here, right now in the USA. These patriarchal religious cults abound in rural California, Arizona, Utarr, Colorado, Texas….

Little girls pregnant by their grandfathers are not the sole province of “The Other”.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-01 16:18:14

If they want to do things we find ridiculous and repugnant, that’s their right.

Once you’re outside the national realm and enter international relations, is there really any “right” other than might? I know we pretend there is…

 
Comment by Ryan
2012-10-01 17:27:25

At the end of the day, you are right might makes right. BUT, I’m not willing to send any more of our own over there to fight another thankless battle with no end in sight. If they want change they can believe in, the need to affect it themselves.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-01 08:24:17

So why was Jerry Lee Lewis so ostracized ( he sold lots more records then Elvis at the time) when he married a 13 year old from the back woods? It was their custom…

Loretta Lynn had 4 kids by the time she was 17…

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-10-01 08:32:55

Jerry Lee Lewis… when he married a 13 year old

Like I said, Charlie, not so very long ago, right here in the USA.

And it still goes on here, I bet.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-01 08:33:49

When “they” do it it’s exotic, but one when one of “us” does it, it’s embarrassing?

 
 
 
Comment by localandlord
2012-10-01 05:31:15

From yesterday:

“Barely one in five, in other words, scores high enough to meet today’s FICO score averages at Fannie and Freddie.”

Sounds alarming doesn’t it? But no, it means 40% of Americans have FICO scores high enough to secure a Fannie/Freddie loan. Considering the state of the economy and the number without health insurance it’s not too bad.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-10-01 06:26:51

Not to be picky, but one in five is 20%.

Comment by polly
2012-10-01 06:34:51

He is making some mathematically questionable assumption that if 20% meet the current average then half the people who qualify have less than the current average. That isn’t the way bell curves work and if the average is a mean (not a median) the whole thing could be little off, but the basic point that not everyone who qualifies has to be at or above the current average score is valid.

 
 
 
Comment by polly
2012-10-01 05:34:19

It is fundraising time for my niece’s NYC public school (so they don’t have 28 five year olds with only one teacher in the room among other reasons). So, what dead tree edition magazine should I go for? I’m thinking about Current World Archeology. It looks interesting and as near as I can tell, only a few paragraphs of their main articles are available for free on-line. Plus, it only shows up 6 times a year, which I consider a feature, not a bug. However, if anyone would like to try to convince me that some well known magazine is also worth it (really interesting and can’t be read on-line) for a year or whatever, I’m willing to listen.

I thought about getting a few of the shelter/decor magazines just to see what lists it puts me on, but I’m not sure it is worth the hassle.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-10-01 05:48:26

Why not ask the school librarian if there is one they would like?

Comment by polly
2012-10-01 06:06:53

It isn’t for the school’s library. You buy off a fundraising website and the schools gets a percentage of the take.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-10-01 06:30:59

I was suggesting altruism.

Better yet, just donate the cash directly to the school.

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Comment by polly
2012-10-01 06:37:12

Not sure I want to rock the boat with my sister-in-law that much. She and my brother are supposed to help with the fundraisers the school runs. Claiming to be above the whole thing and refusing to play along isn’t the best path to family harmony.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-10-01 06:43:06

In that case, enjoy your magazine!

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2012-10-01 07:10:34

28 kids per teacher? I have a class photo from my elementary school 5th grade class showing 36 kids. Half of those were 4th graders. Yes, a split class, with just one teacher. That was in the 1950’s.

Did being in that class mean they thought I wasn’t one of the brighter bulbs, or did they think my classmates and I were smart enough to make progress on just half a day of that teacher’s attention.

Of course I like to think it was the latter. :-)

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-01 07:43:39

I have a class photo from my elementary school 5th grade class showing 36 kids.

I’ll bet that those kids were better behaved than today’s crop. And if you got into trouble at school, Dad would be waiting for you at home, with what Bill Cosby referred to as “the belt”.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-10-01 08:04:29

In those days, ADD and a bunch of other things hadn’t been invented.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-01 08:24:33

Oh but it existed. And it got “the belt”.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-10-01 08:40:18

Oh but it existed. And it got “the belt”.

I can personally attest to that fact. My tendencies toward ADD and hyperactivity got me into a lot of trouble as a kid. Matter of fact, they still do.

 
Comment by polly
2012-10-01 08:44:47

I’m talking about 5 year olds. The parents group raises money to hire teachers aides for the kindergarden, first and second grades. Third grade and above get the student teacher ratio the city tells them to deal with.

 
Comment by zee_in_phx
2012-10-01 10:24:31

Polly, try ‘ Wired ‘, its primary a tech magazine with pop culture thrown in, been subscribing it for many years - the first time i read it was a compliment of AA at a layover at some airport.

 
 
Comment by ahansen
2012-10-01 23:41:28

Oh, Polly, why not go for something completely different and indulge in a little slice of Americana you don’t normally get to see?

The National Enquirer.
W
Field and Stream

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Comment by ahansen
2012-10-01 23:46:27

PS. And “Mental Floss” is fun for trivia.
(These mags are likely to be offered on a fundraising list, and if you read for subtext can be quite entertaining).

 
 
 
 
Comment by vinceinwaukesha
2012-10-01 06:03:23

2600? some of the tech would probably be outside your area of expertise, but its general message of dont trust TPTB might go over well with the HBB crowd.

Philosophy Now? Issues are highly variable depending on your tastes. I thought the David Hume 300th bday issue was pretty interesting, was not so impressed with “what is love” issue.

Fantasy & Science Fiction, Extended Edition? Something entertaining to read in every issue.

I subscribe to all 3 on the Kindle, no idea how the dead trees compare.

In dead tree format MAKE magazine is pretty interesting, I have all the issues.

I can’t decide if I should subscribe to “N+1″ or not. Sometimes a little over the top screaming agitprop, but sometimes that’s fun.

Comment by samk
2012-10-01 08:12:14

I don’t think 2600 appears on the lists of available titles for school fundraisers. It’d be cool if it did, though.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2012-10-01 10:01:13

Polly, there’s always The Economist. You may not agree with their philosophy, but you get a LOT of news bang for your buck.

If you’re into shelter/decor, go for the men’s stuff like This Old House or Family Handyman. Men don’t tolerate fluff as well as women.

Woman’s magazines of all stripes just make me feel horrible about myself.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-10-01 10:20:05

If you’re into shelter/decor, go for the men’s stuff like This Old House or Family Handyman. Men don’t tolerate fluff as well as women.

I love Family Handyman! Just love it! Ditto for Popular Mechanics.

 
Comment by jbunniii
2012-10-01 11:02:05

The Economist was also warning about the US housing bubble as early as March 2005:

http://www.economist.com/node/3715895

“The divergence between rents and house prices is, of course, evidence of a housing bubble. Someday prices will fall relative to rents and wages. After they do, it will make sense to buy a home. Until they do, the smart money is on renting.”

 
 
 
Comment by Combotechie
2012-10-01 05:45:00

Scientific American is good if science is your bent.

Comment by Combotechie
2012-10-01 05:46:21

Oooops. This was meant to be a response to Polly’s post.

 
Comment by vinceinwaukesha
2012-10-01 06:31:47

“Scientific American is good if science is your bent.”

Just heading it off at the pass, be prepared for endless complaints about how every decade since the 50s its gotten worse. Been there read that. Still very angry the Amsci column is gone. I remember the good ole days in the 80s when you’d get a “Amateur Scientist” (amsci is a column in sciam, get it?) a “computer recreations” and a “martin gardner math” column in every issue. I read all the Amsci columns going back to the 30s on microfilm a decade or so before you could buy them all on a cdrom. I declined to renew when they got sold to the Germans who were hellbent on turning it into their portfolio’s copycat “discover” “omni” “wired” type magazine, of course that’s a decade (or two?) ago now. I believe they were down to something like 50 pages when I dropped. Apparently they’ve reversed that trend, unless they’re shipping with negative numbers of pages now.

If you like science, find a special deal and just go pro. Yes, yes, Nature Physics list price is like $200/yr. However there’s endless special deals and renewal deals for the patient. I subscribed during an “impact factor” sale or whatever where it was about the cost of a nice lunch. Much like housing, you can wish however many hundreds you want, but the buyers really set the sales price. The most recent issue has an article on a physical realization of a chimera state oscillator which in plain english is possibly described as something that per the math superficially shouldn’t be chaotic, but is, kinda like the economic system. Long term I probably only enjoy about two articles per issue. Nature Physics, in my opinion, seems to suffer from an overabundance of what I would classify as physical chemistry papers that couldn’t get published in a pchem journal so some hall effect or whatever gets wedged in sideways as a justification and next thing you know its a “physics” paper.

Its hard/impossible to pay hundreds for pro level journal subscriptions when I know I can go to arvix and get good stuff for free if I’m willing to spend a substantial amount of time searching… and paper journals are in general a dying industry… but for $20 printed out and delivered to my door I’ll bite, at least for now.

My neighbors think I’m insane for spending a couple hundred bucks per year on tech journals and magazines. I think they’re insane for spending even more on pro sports subscriptions and channels. To each their own.

 
 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-10-01 06:40:17

“We have to do something now in terms of reducing obesity as a risk factor if we’re going to manage health costs into the future,”

Although I got run into the ground for saying this a couple of weeks ago it seems pretty obvious that this falls under the No sh#t column.

Study: Baby Boomers’ Health Very Poor, Getting Worse

October 1, 2012 4:42 AM

WASHINGTON (CBSDC) – The Baby Boomer generation’s overall health has been on a sharp decline.

Australian researchers from Adelaide’s three universities have completed the first stage of a report on the generation born between the end of the Second World War and the mid-1960s.

Obesity among baby boomers is more than double the rate of their parents at the same age, and boomers with three or more chronic conditions was 700 percent greater than the previous generation.

Professor Graeme Hugo from the University of Adelaide said the findings were alarming and evidence that new public policies were needed.

“We have to do something now in terms of reducing obesity as a risk factor if we’re going to manage health costs into the future, but I think more importantly if baby boomers are going to be able to lead active and productive lives in their later years,” he told ABC.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/10/01/study-baby-boomers-health-very-poor-getting-worse/ -

Comment by goon squad
2012-10-01 07:14:59

The most cost effective solution to this is Soylent Green.

Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-10-01 07:29:00

“The most cost effective solution to this is Soylent Green.”

Or putting down the Ho Hos and going for a walk.

Comment by goon squad
2012-10-01 07:37:59

going for a walk

Yeah right. Why walk when you can ROLL! Paid for by Uncle Sugar :)

http://www.thescooterstore.com/payment-options/medicare.aspx

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Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-10-01 08:58:08

There is a definite uptick in people who are disabled by lard riding scooters.

Born To Be Wild lyrics

Get your scooter runnin’
Hit the Supermarket
Check the tire preasure
You don`t even have to park it

I like eating ice cream
Heavy metal thunder
Racing with the push-cart
And the Doctor`s care I’m under

Yeah, darlin’
Gonna make it happen
Entenmann’s in a love embrace
Buy all of the chips at once
And stuff them in my face

And in A ARP style
We were born
Born to be wild
Blood preasure Meds so high
I`m never gonna die
Born to be wild
Born to be wild

 
Comment by Montana
2012-10-01 09:15:02

Nice, but may I suggest “Leaning on the push-cart” - ?

 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-10-01 09:39:43

“Nice, but may I suggest “Leaning on the push-cart” - ?”

Sorry, but no can do. In this version of “Born To Be Wild” the obese Boomer riding their scooter (and possibly going full throttle twoards the Entenmann’s case) is actually racing an able body shopper who is pushing their cart.

 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-10-01 09:57:23

What would the obese Boomer use for a grocery cart you ask?

Well they were obviously in a Pride Mobility Pursuit 4-Wheel Scooter with a 400 lb weight capacity and a standard front basket.

Pride Mobility Pursuit 4-Wheel Scooter Features

•Weight capacity is 400 lbs.
•Full lighting package with directional signals and angle-adjustable, lower headlight
•Ultra heavy-duty drive train with 120-amp controller
•24V, 4-pole DC motor for increased power
•Large 13″ low profile solid tires for excellent outdoor performance
•Front and rear suspension
•Easily accessible tie down point
•Feather-touch disassembly
•Deluxe reclining high-back seat with headrest and sliders
•Top speed of up to 7.25 mph
•Front basket standard
•Rear view mirror standard
•Infinitely adjustable tiller angle with conveniently located handle
•Delta tiller with wraparound handles

Range per charge maximum: up to 14 mi. Range depends on temperature, terrain, customer weight, accessories, age of batteries, etc.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-01 10:01:00

Not bad :-).

 
 
Comment by polly
2012-10-01 08:55:48

Do they even make those anymore? Maybe I just haven’t been to that aisle of the supermarket recently, but I can’t remember the last time I actually saw a box of hostess/whatever snacks.

Made huge batches of spicey cauliflower and ratatouille yesterday. Should get me through a bunch of dinners. However, it occurs to me that making this stuff requires either some previously learned skill set or the ability to follow directions plus some cookbooks or an internet connection. You also need tools like knives and pots and pantry items. The basic supplies weren’t cheap and the time involved was substantial. If I were working 3 part time jobs all of which required a significant commute, I wouldn’t be able to do it.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-10-01 07:34:42

I hope everyone likes veal and foie gras.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-01 07:50:20

Interesting that it’s not just gringos. Obesity is also at all time highs in Mexico. In fact, I believe its worse there than here. When I lived there in the 70’s and 80’s you hardly saw any obese people.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2012-10-01 07:57:58

Mmm, high fructose corn syrup.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-10-01 08:11:39

Now to be GM and laced with herbicide.

Did that law pass to let them call HFCS “sugar”?

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Comment by polly
2012-10-01 08:57:33

Nope. And I think it might have been a regulation, not a law. Not positive.

 
 
Comment by goon squad
2012-10-01 08:12:06

Maybe not the HFCS. Mexican Cokes are made with cane sugar. These are a specialty product that the squad enjoys for $1 for 12 ounce bottles from Kroger. Compare that with the $.20-.30 price for same serving size of the American HFCS poison.

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-01 08:47:10

Pepsi also sells “throwback” versions of its soda pop made with cane sugar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throwback_%28drink%29

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2012-10-01 08:39:09

Bad food supply with years of toxins ,bad pharma drugs that have long term side effects , stress and lack of exercise long term for this generation is taking its toll. The health costs of the
Baby Boomers won’t be sustainable ,so Baby Boomers better clean up their act .I see people in their 80’s that are stronger than people in their 60’s .

The whole concept of Pharma drugs to replace good lifestyles and a pill with side effects will solve faulty living is absurd .
Without getting down on any good life saving medicine ,good food and good lifestyles seems to cure a lot of conditions .We eat way to much sugar or corn syrup in this culture and fast foods is a way of life . Stress is just widespread ,and the only answer the Medical people have is anti depression meds that have numerous side effects and they write these prescriptions as if they were candy .

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-01 08:54:24

Mmm, high fructose corn syrup.

HFCS is pretty much unused outside the USA, especially in Mexico.

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2012-10-01 09:12:29

I just found out that the sugar beets crops have been GMO
crops along with corn and soy . They never did long term studies on what effect those GMO’s had on people .They should have to lable it so people can make a choice ,rather than what they have been doing .

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-01 09:45:52

I’ve been told to avoid beet sugar for that reason.

 
 
 
Comment by Ross Peroxide
2012-10-01 08:03:55

1. Micronesia
2. Tonga
3. US
4. Samoa
5. Kuwait
6. Australia
10. UK
12. Greece
52. Cananda
63. Mexico

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/9345086/The-worlds-fattest-countries-how-do-you-compare.html

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-10-01 08:44:00

Kind of ironic that Micronesia is the fattest country in the world.

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Comment by MiddleCoaster
2012-10-01 09:39:34

Maybe it’s gonna have to change its name to Macronesia.

 
Comment by Steve W
2012-10-01 10:48:58

HA!–funniest comment of the day

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-01 09:22:21

I recall reading in the Mexican media that Mexico’s obesity rate was worse than the USA. Who knows where they got their numbers from?

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Comment by b-hamster
2012-10-01 09:51:54

I’ve read in countries (eg, 1, 2 &4) where excess weight is a sign of wealth and they strive to be overweight.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-01 10:04:03

Hmmm…so we’re so good at it that sometimes we accidentally beat the people who have obesity as a goal? Cool…imagine what we could do if we tried.

 
Comment by MiddleCoaster
2012-10-01 12:12:00

Some time back, I read an article about the influence of Western tv shows on Tonga. It seems that American shows with rail-thin actresses, and The Biggest Loser had made their way to that island nation and inspired citizens, including the king, to try to slim down. Not sure how that worked out for them though.

 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-01 09:30:56

Its hard getting around NYC being OHHbeez…the only really fat people you see in the subways are usually…….lawyers

Sure they have access a ride….but still it should be those who are really disabled not for the whales.

http://www.mta.info/nyct/paratran/

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-10-01 08:43:03

A few weeks ago, I was at a 1970s nostalgia concert here in Tucson. I’m not saying this to brag, but I was one of the few non-obese fifty-somethings there.

And the dance floor. That part really bothered me. Because of all the people standing on it and staring at the bands onstage.

I mean, come on people! It’s a frickin’ dance floor! Move those bodies in a rhythmic manner!

I left before 9 p.m.

Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-01 10:15:11

Why did you leave? The whales would have been gone by 10 and you and your slim buddies would have had the place to yourselves….lolllolll

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-10-01 10:26:09

Primary reason for leaving: The music was so loud that I was shouting myself hoarse whenever I tried to have a conversation. And I needed to have a voice the next day.

The dance floor situation also didn’t motivate me to stick around.

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Comment by Lip
2012-10-01 11:08:50

Too many old white folks?

 
Comment by Sd Renter
2012-10-01 11:24:11

That reminds me of something

“He was so fat that he was on the dance floor, the BAND skipped.”

 
 
Comment by cactus
2012-10-01 17:05:37

Professor Graeme Hugo from the University of Adelaide said the findings were alarming and evidence that new public policies were needed.”

Government in search of jobs they can give to themselves

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-01 06:41:45

Euro zone September factory data flags “new recession”: PMI
By Jonathan Cable
LONDON | Mon Oct 1, 2012 5:33am EDT

(Reuters) - Euro zone manufacturing put in its worst performance in the three months to September since the depths of the Great Recession, with factories hit by falling demand despite cutting prices, a business survey showed on Monday — pointing to a new recession.

Factories helped lift the 17-nation bloc out of its last recession but the survey suggests a downturn that began in smaller periphery countries has taken root in core members Germany and France.

“Despite seeing some easing in the rate of decline last month, manufacturers across the euro area suffered the worst quarter for three years in the three months to September,” said Chris Williamson, chief economist at data collator Markit.

“The sector will act as a severe drag on economic growth. It therefore seems inevitable that the region will have fallen back into a new recession in the third quarter.”

Markit’s Eurozone Manufacturing Purchasing Managers’ Index (PMI) rose to 46.1 in September from 45.1 in August and above the preliminary reading of 46.0. But that was its 14th month below the 50 mark that divides growth from contraction.

The output index rose to 45.9 from August’s 44.4 but chalked up its seventh month of decline.

The euro zone escaped from the last recession in 2009 but a debt crisis that began in Greece almost three years ago has wreaked havoc across the region and threatened to bring the whole currency union crashing down.

A slew of weak data has convinced many economists that the bloc fell into another recession in the quarter just ended and will not grow again until early next year.

In its battle to support a struggling economy the European Central Bank is now widely seen in a Reuters Poll cutting interest rates to a new record low of 0.5 percent before the end of the year.

However, inflation jumped more than expected in September, flash data showed on Friday, which may discourage the ECB from acting this week although the PMI survey showed factories cut the prices of their products for the fourth straight month.

New orders have fallen since June 2011 and factories were forced to generate some of their activity by running down backlogs of work.

The new orders index fell to 43.5 from the previous 43.7. Manufacturers have cut staffing levels for all but one of the last 11 months, giving an indication of their pessimism.

Official data due later on Monday is expected to show unemployment rose to 11.4 percent in August.

Earlier figures from Germany, Europe’s largest economy painted a picture of sustained contraction. In France the situation worsened dramatically with its PMI seeing one of the biggest one-month falls in the survey’s 14-year history.

“France is perhaps the new worry, with its PMI slumping to the lowest for three-and-a-half years,” Williamson said.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-01 06:44:01

Does the Fed pump extra liquidity into the stock market on days when BB gives speeches?

ISM’s September target: 49.7
October-fest on Wall Street

Stocks to begin the fourth quarter solidly higher. Investors take worrisome European data in stride ahead of the Institute for Supply Management’s September manufacturing data and later, a speech by top U.S. central banker Ben Bernanke.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2012-10-01 07:00:07

October 1st is here. It’s the start of the 2013 federal government fiscal year. Is there a federal budget in place yet?

Comment by Ross Peroxide
2012-10-01 07:35:22

Do we need one?

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-10-01 08:13:15

Only people on a limited income need a budget.

 
 
Comment by polly
2012-10-01 11:07:06

Continuing resolution.

 
 
Comment by goon squad
2012-10-01 07:12:36

From the Denver Post - Colorado among national leaders in uptick for home equity loans:

“Colorado is among the states showing a possible turnaround in mortgage demand as a key indicator of home equity lending rose in August for the first monthly increase in almost five years.

Equifax reported Monday that national home equity installment balances rose 0.3 percent in August, the first increase since November 2007.

“The residential real estate market finally seems to be finding solid ground,” Equifax chief economist Amy Crews Cutts said in a statement. “The environment has been set for growth for a while — now it looks like it may finally be happening.”

Keep pimping the Recovery®, debt-whores. Note the language in the headline, “national leaders”, YAY debt! RAH RAH debt slavery! We’re Number One! Appropriately supported with quotes from the Credit Score Industrial Complex. Because the foundation of this Recovery® will be borrowing our way to prosperity!

Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-10-01 07:45:38

“Colorado among national leaders in uptick for home equity loans”

STANLEY! STANLEY! STANLEY!

lendingtree commercial - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn5EP9StlVA - 157k -

 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-10-01 07:52:39

“Colorado is among the states showing a possible turnaround in mortgage demand as a key indicator of home equity lending rose in August for the first monthly increase in almost five years.”

Real Unemployment Reaches 20% In 7 Colorado Counties

September 28, 2012
By Tyler Sandberg

DENVER — The slowest economic recovery since World War II is going especially slow for sections of Colorado, according to a letter from the Colorado Department of Labor and Employment (CDLE) obtained by The Colorado Observer.

In seven counties in Colorado unemployed individuals are close to or exceeding 20% of the population, a letter from the Chief Economist of CDLE to the U.S. Department of Agriculture says.

The letter, obtained through the Colorado Open Records Act, was sent August 29 as required by federal law. According to the Consolidated Farm and Rural Development Act, the Colorado Labor Department is required to certify counties where the “Not Employed Rate” surpasses 19.5%.

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-01 08:44:43

I’m not sure where they got those numbers. Take Pueblo:

http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.co_pueblo_msa.htm

According to the BLS its unemployment rate is 10%, not 20%

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-01 07:53:16

So goonie, have you bought a house in Highlands Ranch or Broomfield yet? ;-)

Comment by goon squad
2012-10-01 08:20:17

F*ck that nonsense. If we were to buy anything it would be in the DU/Rosedale area near where the squad currently rents (at 13% of gross monthly income, thank you) or out in western Lakewood near Green Mountain, both of which remain too overpriced for our tastes.

Several acres of raw land in Chaffee County sounds better. This would give us a bugout destination in a TEOTWAWKI situation and an appropriate setting in which to do a real life re-enactment of critically acclaimed film Red Dawn.

Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-01 08:30:42

This would give us a bugout destination in a TEOTWAWKI situation and an appropriate setting in which to do a real life re-enactment of critically acclaimed film Red Dawn.

Save the last grenade for yourself.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2012-10-01 08:33:54

‘critically acclaimed film Red Dawn’

When I first saw this I thought, wait a minute. Red Dawn was the worst movie I ever saw. Then I searched it and I’m not the only one who thinks that:

‘Most have at least a glimmer of something. But not this movie. Watching my cat in the litterbox provided more entertainment and a better story! For being an offense to the eyes of Movie Viewers, I now sentence Red Dawn to the darkest pit of the Inferno where it shall be banished to the Hills of Gloom and be forced to eat rancid deer meat in a war zone.’

‘Worst movie ever, Red Dawn, 1984′

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Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-01 08:34:49

Pretty sure goonie was making a funny :-).

 
Comment by Ryan
2012-10-01 11:16:08

Well, this goes to show you where Hollywood is today. They are doing a remake of Red Dawn. It’s safe to say that Hollywood has scraped clear-through the bottom of the barrel now.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-01 11:31:49

I’m also confused by them doing a remake of Total Recall. Why?

 
Comment by Hi-Z
2012-10-01 12:38:09

My two teenage sons and I enjoyed the heck out of “Red Dawn” in 1984. Worst movie ever for me was “My Left Foot”.

 
Comment by Spook
2012-10-01 13:28:04

As bad as Red Dawn was, at least it had a plot that made sense.

“John Carter” is even worse. In the Youtube comments section one guy said his praise of the movie ruined his life in high school when the other kids found out he like it.

Then theres always “Cowboys and Aliens”.

Look for “Goats with Boats”, fall 2016

 
Comment by zee_in_phx
2012-10-01 15:31:13

“Then theres always “Cowboys and Aliens”–
i don’t know .. in my book Daniel Craig or Harrison Ford could talk to a chair and still get a pass.

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2012-10-01 09:29:44

WOLVERINES!

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-10-01 09:53:41

Go Blue!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2012-10-01 07:17:07

Stock market is up nicely today, and while no one was looking Faceplant stock has crept back up to $22.45. That’s better than a 20% pop. Did anyone here buy while everyone else was selling?

Comment by Rental Watch
2012-10-01 09:50:38

I thought about it, but didn’t. I don’t understand how they are going to make money.

The “we’ve got the eyeballs, so we can make money” strategy reeks of dotcom.

I’ll probably miss it, and 5 years from now they’ll be trading at $100. Oh well.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-10-01 09:55:56

I think they make money from advertising. Like Google does with its pay-per-click ads.

Unfortunately, FB’s ads are the sort that its users simply ignore. They’re there to share photos from Saturday night’s party, not to look at ads.

And this isn’t just a problem with ads on FB, it’s a problem that extends to all sorts of online advertising. Online users have gotten very good at screening them out.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-10-01 10:17:30

It’s especially a problem now that most everybody gets much of their online experience through their smart phones, where the ads are even less effective.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-01 11:33:43

But I have noticed that a lot of web/mobile pages have gotten good at making people unintentionally click the ad. That can’t be an accident.

 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-10-01 15:18:03

Yeah, I can understand as an online retailer paying for a click that is directly related to my business. In other words, if I specialize in selling pink umbrellas, paying a dime to Google for a click when someone searches for “pink umbrellas”, makes all the sense in the world–in fact, I might be willing to pay a quarter for that.

Paying a dime to Facebook if a person who Facebook knows had a little girl born 4 years prior clicks on Pink Umbrella banner is a different story.

I understand search-based advertising and it’s value to both the consumer and retailer. Other types of online advertising is more questionable.

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Comment by 2banana
2012-10-01 08:05:01

France’s Socialist 75 percent tax rate is economic suicide
The Telegraph (UK) | September 28, 2012 | Nile Gardiner

Back in May I wrote a piece describing Francois Hollande’s election victory as emblematic of the EU’s decline, noting that “his government promises to be a symbol of everything that is wrong with Europe today.” True to his election campaign promise, the new French president, together with his prime minister Jean-Marc Ayrault, has outlined his plans for a 75 percent marginal income tax rate tax on anyone earning more than €1 million Euros a year.

This is economic suicide for the second biggest economy in Europe, a supreme act of financial har-kiri for a country whose public debt has now risen to 91 percent of GDP, a growth of 30 percent in five years. This is part of €20 billion Euros worth of new taxes, mainly on businesses and high earners, unveiled by a backward-looking Socialist government seemingly intent on economic self-destruction. As Jean-Paul Agon, chief of L’Oreal told The Financial Times earlier this week, it will now become “almost impossible” for France to attract leading business talent.

The end result is all too easy to predict. The steady flow of entrepreneurs and businesses out of France, which has already been taking place for some time, will now turn to a flood of money leaving Paris and en exodus of high wealth individuals, who will flee to the promised land of Britain, Switzerland, Singapore – anywhere they don’t have to hand over three quarters of their hard-earned money to the government. Paris’s loss will of course be London’s gain. With good reason, there has been a significant increase in recent months in the number of French citizens buying expensive properties in the UK. London is already home to hundreds of thousands of French exiles, with Chelsea and South Kensington dubbed “the 21st arrondissement.”

For a faltering country facing rising unemployment and mounting economic stagnation, the impact of these latest tax rises will be disastrous, with government revenues likely to fall rather than increase. It will also have a chilling effect on foreign investors, who are additionally nervous about the forthcoming European Union Financial Transaction Tax, which Hollande is strongly backing.

When they elected Hollande in the Spring, France’s voters knew what they were getting. A big government administration hell-bent on implementing failed socialist dogma regardless of the economic damage it would inflict. Hollande’s France should serve as warning to other countries that may be tempted to take the same path.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2012-10-01 09:03:59

But ,this is part of the problem . If the rich can blackmail any Country they reside in that they will take their marbles and leave if they don’t get favorable tax breaks ,than no Country can tax
according to what’s needed . Globalism is a form of blackmail to keep the 20 % from never paying what they should .

American Corporations throw up the fact that other countries have cheaper Corporation tax rates as grounds to justify those Corps
getting the same . This view usually doesn’t take into consideration the different tax write offs in different Countries for starters .But ,
just like with labor ,if you throw the Worlds tax structures as grounds to justify low tax rates as favorable treatment as in competition ,than you simply have no borders and you are in competition world wide for the lowest tax . Just like Wall Street argued against any new taxes and regulations because than they
won’t be competitive with Britian as a financial center .

So ,using other Countries wages ,or other countries regulations or tax structures to justify what should be charged in the USA is a faulty premise and it doesn’t take in account what is required for the proper functioning of a Country with borders and what that Countries cost of living or tax needs are . Again ,this is a decoupling of Industry from the people that reside and work in the USA and all the systems that require proper taxes or allocation of recources or job generation .

Comment by 2banana
2012-10-01 09:18:15

I do not think people mind paying taxes if they receive services for those taxes and the taxes are kept as low as possible.

Paying 75% of one’s income to the state JUST in income taxes?

Add in property taxes, sales tax, local taxes, etc.

At what point between 0% and 100% taxes does one become a slave?

Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-01 10:08:18

I do not think people mind paying taxes if they receive services for those taxes and the taxes are kept as low as possible.

[snip]

At what point between 0% and 100% taxes does one become a slave?

So which one do you mean? Are all taxes theft or not?

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2012-10-01 11:00:16

First ,I think the 75% tax is after all the write offs ,so it is effectively lower that 75% and its not taxed on all income .

But ,the thought that” people don’t mind paying taxes if they get something for it” is not accurate .

What you get for paying taxes is the right to sell in America and make money on volume . Do Corporations
think they own the customers and the rights to consumers without paying any of the costs for that right ?Currently they think that they don’t even have to employ USA Citizens ,yet they get the right to sell without a reasonable contribution to the cost of government . Who uses the roads ,the police ,the water ways ,who pays for the regulations agencies required for orderly business ,who pays for the education of citizens that business uses . Who pays for health care more and more now ,and who pays for the Defense of this Country here and overseas ,which benefits Big Business more than anybody .

Can you imagine how difficult Business would be without the things taxes pay for . it’s just absurd to even think that the Industrial complex isn’t the greatest beneficiary of tax revenue . New intrastructure is needed right now and Big Business want the taxes to pay for that also ,while big busniess makes the money off of it .

 
 
 
Comment by jbunniii
2012-10-01 11:12:10

If the rich can blackmail any Country they reside in that they will take their marbles and leave if they don’t get favorable tax breaks ,than no Country can tax
according to what’s needed

This presupposes that the current level of government spending is actually needed.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-01 09:31:57

I’ll bet those French richies think our top rates are low.

And our capital gains rate must make them salivate like Pavlovian dogs.

Which is why I laugh when our richies threaten to “leave”. Any place that’s civilized will tax them far more.

Comment by Ross Peroxide
2012-10-01 10:08:10

HongKong
Singapore
Czech Republic
Russia
South Korea

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-10-01 10:22:31

Personally, if I were super-rich, I wouldn’t care to call any of those places home (maybe the Czech Republic). But I guess it’s just a legal charade anyway. They’re probably living elsewhere.

But since when do the super-rich care about income taxes? Those are for the little people. Or do the French tax capital gains as income?

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-01 10:31:46

Hong Kong is a wholly owned subsidiary of the PRC, I’d pass.

Russia is oligarchs r us. And if Putin doesn’t like you ….

South Korea? Good luck fitting in if you aren’t Korean, Plus there’’s that madman next door always threatening to start a war.

Singapore … maybe. Just don’t chew gum … you might get caned ;-)

Czech Republic … that could work. Prague is nice.

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Comment by Ross Peroxide
2012-10-01 10:36:29

Russia is oligarchs r us. And if Putin doesn’t like you ….

I bet Putin still doesn’t have a “kill” list. And no drone attacks on you as far as I know.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-10-01 10:47:24

I bet Putin still doesn’t have a “kill” list. And no drone attacks on you as far as I know.

I would guess you’re wrong on both counts. Read up on Chechnya. If there are no Russian drone attacks, it’s only because they’ve yet to develop the technology.

And we know he sends his enemies to prison. Just ask Pussy Riot. Or the ex-oligarch, Khordokovsky, who tried to oppose him politically, and is now in a Siberian prison work camp.

 
Comment by 2banana
2012-10-01 11:22:51

I forgot - did Putin win the Nobel Peace Prize?

:-)

 
Comment by Ryan
2012-10-01 11:24:15

No need to waste time writing a list when you can just kill.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-01 11:36:10

Czech Republic … that could work. Prague is nice.

And it’s within walking distance of my ancestral home and lots of cousins. I could live there.

 
 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-10-01 23:51:28

When you add self-employment tax, state tax, etc., our top tax rates no longer seem all that low.

We’re not at 75%, but we’re over 50%.

 
 
 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-10-01 08:11:18

California News

Illegal immigrant licenses bill signed by Gov. Jerry Brown

Monday, October 01, 2012

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (KABC) — California Gov. Jerry Brown announced Sunday he has signed a bill making hundreds of thousands of young undocumented immigrants eligible for driver’s licenses.

AB2189 was proposed by Assemblyman Gil Cedillo (D-Los Angeles) and it will let the Department of Motor Vehicles issue licenses to illegal immigrants eligible for work permits under a new Obama administration policy.

The bill allows people who are granted deferred action to apply for a driver’s license and requires the DMV to accept as proof of legal residence whatever document the federal government provides to the participants in the deferred action program.

Cedillo has long been a champion of securing driver’s licenses for undocumented immigrants so they can drive legally. He praised Brown for choosing “public safety over politics” by signing the bill.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Comment by 2banana
2012-10-01 08:19:15

And with the “Motor Voter” Law - they can now vote.

The suicide of America for a few short years of power for the democrats.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-01 08:37:25

Hmmm … since California is already heavily entrenched as a “red” state, what does this buy them? Getting 70% instead of 60% of the vote?

Comment by CharlieTango
2012-10-01 08:57:36
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Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-01 09:28:30

Oops, forgive me for my color blindness. I forget, red now means GOP (as opposed to commie).

I meant to say “blue”.

 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-10-01 12:42:22

A helpful way to remember comes from The Matrix: The red pill led to truth, and the blue pill led back into the dreamworld of The Matrix.

It will amuse some, irritate others, but it will help you remember the red/blue thing :)

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Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-10-01 15:21:31

“Hmmm … since California is already heavily entrenched as a “red” state, what does this buy them? Getting 70% instead of 60% of the vote?”

That should make us all feel better about allowing non citizens to vote.

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Comment by polly
2012-10-01 09:06:15

You do realize that there are already rules in place to keep people who can get licenses but aren’t eligible to vote (under 18 or green card holders) from participating in motor voter registration, don’t you?

What on earth makes you think that would be different with people who are undocumented immigrants?

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-10-01 10:09:09

Rush said so!

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Comment by Spook
2012-10-01 13:35:35

You do realize that there are already rules in place to keep people who can get licenses but aren’t eligible to vote (under 18 or green card holders) from participating in motor voter registration, don’t you?

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Yeah… do you realize there’res also already rules in place to keep n—–s from selling heroin outside my house at night….

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Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-10-01 15:22:58

:lol:

 
 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-10-01 16:27:04

I thought The New Black Panther Party made sure undocumented immigrants weren’t eligible to vote. :)

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Comment by MiddleCoaster
2012-10-01 09:49:16

Here in Illinois, illegals have no problem with drivings sans driver’s license, insurance or valid license plates.

Comment by Lip
2012-10-01 11:12:58

And dead people have been known to vote.

Go Bears!

 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2012-10-01 08:16:27

Wow. CUT government spending, the size and scope of government and the economy actually GROWS…

And they didn’t even turn into Somalia.

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The Swedish Model: Government Austerity. They are the exact opposite of a “socialist success story”
American Thinker | 10/01/2012 | Randall Hoven

Sweden, like Norway, consists of a small, not very diverse, mostly white and Christian people. Its population is 9.1 million — a bit less than North Carolina’s. (There are 13 cities in the world with bigger populations.) Not only are native Swedes white, but so are most of Sweden’s immigrants. The CIA World Factbook lists its immigrants as “Finns, Yugoslavs, Danes, Norwegians, Greeks, Turks.” And 85% of that population is Lutheran; 85% live in cities — 22% in the Stockholm area itself.

But unlike Norway, which is swimming in oil, Sweden is not richer than the U.S. On a GDP per capita basis (Purchasing Power Parity), the U.S. is 20% richer than Sweden. So Sweden has enjoyed somewhat faster growth than the U.S., at least over some cherry-picked periods of time, but it has not caught up to us in over three decades.

The real story of Sweden is the exact opposite of a “socialist success story.”

In short, government spending in Sweden had the effect that free-market types always predict: slow growth and high debt. Government spending does not stimulate; it stifles, and it sticks our kids with the bill

Around 1993, Sweden’s government changed its behavior: it started spending less. By 2011 it was spending “only” 49% of GDP. While that is still pretty high, that represents a cut of 19% of GDP, or about what the entire federal government of the U.S. spent each year in most of the Clinton and Bush

Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-01 08:34:36

I don’t think that even the most hardcore leftie on this site will argue that there should be no limits to government spending or taxation.

That said, even with its relatively high 49% of GDP spending by the government, Sweden has a high standard of living, low unemployment, and a low crime rate. I have an American coworker who lived in Sweden for a few years and other than the horrible Winters, he loved it.

I’ve been to Stockholm and I found it to be an attractive city.

Comment by 2banana
2012-10-01 08:43:33

FYI - under obama - we are approaching 100% of GDP spending by the government.

Comment by measton
2012-10-01 09:16:58

More like 20-30% but we expect nothing less from you.

So Sweden spends 2x what we do per GDP and you hold them up as a case for austerity. Who exactly do you work for 2b.

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Comment by 2banana
2012-10-01 09:27:46

Actually - you are somewhat correct. I have my sad stats of the obama administration backwards.

Hope and change boys.

Forward for four more years…

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US Government Spending As Percent Of GDP
2012 - 40% (Highest ever since WWII)

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_20th_century_chart.html

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United States Public Debt as % of GDP

2010 - 94% (Highest ever)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-01 09:59:05

I’m not sure how “usgovernmentspending” calculates 40%

2012 Federal budget: ~3.8T
2012 GDP: ~16T

3.8/16 = ~ 24%

I suspect that they are including state and muni spending in their 40%.

Of course, the Swedish 49% doesn’t include their local gov’t spending either.

 
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-10-01 15:27:24

“Who exactly do you work for 2b”

The communist party USA or for George Soros. Which one is paying for your comments measton?

 
 
 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-10-01 09:46:45

We spend too much, regardless of who you caompare with.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-10-01 09:48:02

oops typo “compare”

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-01 10:21:57

So what do you propose to cut? If you say “entitlements” then I would like to see a breakdown of which ones you would cut, as SS and Medicare are the lion’s share of” entitlements”. If we cut them, will the payroll tax also be reduced? Or will it be used to pay for wars?

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-10-01 11:39:58

Keep it simple. Cut everything. We won’t die.

If deficit spending stopped, food prices would come down. How do you help those on SS by causing food prices to double every decade?

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Comment by 2banana
2012-10-01 08:46:56

The most transparent and honest government EVER…

Just ignore the laws you don’t like.

It is good to be a tyrant.

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After Obama guidance, Lockheed won’t issue layoff notices this year
The Hill | October 1, 2012 | Jeremy Herb

Lockheed Martin said Monday it will not issue employee layoff notices this year, ending an election-year showdown with the Obama administration.

The company said it based its decision on new guidance issued Friday by the Office of Management and Budget and the Pentagon.

The guidance said the Pentagon did not anticipate killing any contracts on Jan. 2, the day automatic spending cuts are set to begin hitting defense spending. The guidance also said federal government would cover severance costs that are mandated under a federal layoff notices law.

The decision by Lockheed means thousands won’t get layoff notices weeks or days before Election Day, which might have cast a crucial blow against President Obama’s reelection chances. But Republicans are likely to argue last week’s guidance was a politically-motivated effort by the administration to protect Obama.

Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-10-01 09:09:07

“The decision by Lockheed means thousands won’t get layoff notices weeks or days before Election Day, which might have cast a crucial blow against President Obama’s reelection chances. But Republicans are likely to argue last week’s guidance was a politically-motivated effort by the administration to protect Obama.”

Can`t wait to see this story leading off the network news tonight.

I am also expecting Santa to make an early run and land on my roof with a sleigh pulled by flying Unicorns so he can deliver me a Goose that lays golden eggs.

 
Comment by Ross Peroxide
2012-10-01 09:12:10

Lockheed won’t issue layoff notices this year

I think they mean November 7.

 
Comment by goon squad
2012-10-01 09:13:46

After Obama is re-elected the number of government contractors will increase.
After Romney is elected the number of government contractors will increase.

Any questions?

Comment by measton
2012-10-01 09:18:11

Will the workers all make less and will management all make more and give kickbacks to politicians?

 
Comment by Ross Peroxide
2012-10-01 09:18:45

My hunch is….

After Obama is re-elected the number of government contractors will decrease.
After Romney is elected the number of government contractors will increase.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-01 10:01:39

Just ignore the laws you don’t like.

It is good to be a tyrant.

Both parties are guilty of this.

But go ahead and get all excited if your guy wins. Nothing will change.

Comment by 2banana
2012-10-01 11:08:19

The arguments of 4 years old.

Tommy got away with this so I should too! It’s not fair!

Both parties are guilty of this.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-01 15:31:02

They are both guily. Therefore the child like behavior is getting excited over Dems or Repubs winning. Replacing Obama with Romney won”t solve anything (and neither will re-electing Obama).

But go ahead and get all starry eyed like a teeny bopper if Romney wins. It will just be more of the same, plus maybe an Iranian invasion tossed in as a bonus. It reminds me of people getting all excited because “their team” won the Souperbowl.

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Comment by frankie
2012-10-01 09:29:27

Greece is predicting that its economy will shrink for a sixth year in 2013 as it continues to feel the effects of austerity measures.

The economy will contract by 3.8% next year, it said in a draft budget submitted to parliament.

Greece also predicts its economy will shrink by 6.5% this year, worse than a previous estimate of 4.8%.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19791050

 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-10-01 10:36:37

Obama USDA met 30 times with Mexican gov’t to promote food-stamp use among Mexican immigrants

Published: 2:15 AM 10/01/2012

Department of Agriculture personnel in the Obama administration have met with Mexican Government officials dozens of times since the president took office to promote nutrition assistance programs — notably food stamps — among Mexican Americans, Mexican nationals and migrant communities in America.

In his letter, Vilsack asserted that USDA does not pressure people to enroll in the program or is attempting to boost its rolls. President Obama, too, has said that “people do not come here looking for handouts.”

“We do not pressure any eligible person to accept benefits, nor is our goal to simply increase the number of program participants, but we are determined to help people in need make informed decisions about whether or not to seek assistance for which they may be eligible,” Vilsack claimed.

The mission USDA articulates on its website is to “increase participation in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program” — food stamps. The agency has been engaged in aggressive advertising campaigns and issuing guidance to state and local offices about how to enroll more beneficiaries.

Comment by 2banana
2012-10-01 11:24:33

Obama is the food-stamp president.

It is one of his legacies.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-10-01 11:45:37

It is believable if you say that he is an enemy of the Constitution, or if you say that his is a failed Presidency, but his shoulders are not big enough for the era of food stamps all by his lonesome. The debt binge and hollowing out started when he was still wearing short pants.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-01 15:38:35

FWIW, 14.7 million joined the ranks of food stamp recipients during …

drumroll ….

The George W Bush administration

This disaster has been a long time in the making and both parties are responsible.

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Comment by Ross Peroxide
2012-10-01 12:32:11

Obama is the food-stamp president.

Isn’t it better to be a food-stamp president than the president who took away someone’s only dinner?

Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-01 13:19:17

well ok yeah….but the out of the box thinker would say…

Lets aim to cut food stamps by 10 million people next year because they have great paying jobs and dont need them anymore….

Obewanna could say that….but no guts

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Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-10-01 13:29:51

“Lets aim to cut food stamps by 10 million people next year because they have great paying jobs and dont need them anymore”

But then those people wouldn`t be dependent on govrnment anymore.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-10-01 11:25:47

Eighteen years ago yesterday, I left the last FT job I’ve ever had. Year 19 as a freelancer is starting with bill-paying and prospecting.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-10-01 11:41:41

There are few things in life so horrific that we celebrate the end of them.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-10-01 12:27:04

Leaving the world of full-time work was definitely one of those things. Yes, I’ve kvetched quite a bit about the, ahem, challenges of being one of those SOHO types. But there’s no way that I’d go back to that job again. Uh-uh.

Comment by jane
2012-10-01 21:32:08

Congrats on that anniversary, Slim.

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Comment by jane
2012-10-01 21:30:46

Getting the h*ll out of CT represents one of those instances, for me.

 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-10-01 13:04:37

From previous discussions, if the Fed can indefinitely sequester bad debt (e.g. bad mortgages), why can’t it simply finance the government debt?

For example, the upcoming “fiscal cliff” and defense cuts. Why not just have the Fed purchase the goods and/or services and loan/give them to the DOD?

The Fed is a unique entity in the economy with its ability to print money.

However, currency retains its value by being scarce. And by the endorsement of the masses.

But how does malinvestment ever get removed? What about the inefficiencies of central planning? The threat of enshrining cronyism? When does inflation become a threat? Is the difference between Zimbabwe and the US a difference of degree or a difference of kind?

Comment by Neuromance
2012-10-01 13:38:51

Oh fer cryin out loud, this shoulda been a separate thread.

Slim, congrats on the anniversary :)

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-10-01 15:57:32

Thank you!

BTW, a big, phat freelancing project may be headed my way. I’m meeting with the prospects tomorrow morning.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-10-01 13:07:02

Mean ole David Dayen is dumping the Firedoglake-hate all over Mark Zandi. Again. Article:

Mark Zandi Doesn’t Understand Housing Very Well

Fun quote:

Court jester economist for power Mark Zandi tried to pull a fast one by readers of the Washington Post, by actually making the argument, in the face of all evidence to the contrary, that the Obama Administration successfully fixed the foreclosure crisis. He has to make a mental leap in order to do this, claiming that the state of the housing market in 2012 is directly related to foreclosure mitigation and housing market programs from 2009. Of course, we know the causes of the housing market “recovery” and they have nothing to do with those programs, and everything to do with over-speculation by institutional investors who have bought up massive amounts of foreclosed properties.

[Boldface added by Yours Truly.]

 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-10-01 13:08:48

80,000 dollars? For an ultra-high-net-worth individual? What a farce. But I guess even a slap on the wrist allows the administration to say they are prosecuting cases related to the financial crisis.

Ex-IndyMac CEO Michael Perry Settles With SEC for $80,000
By Edvard Pettersson on October 01, 2012

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-10-01/ex-indymac-ceo-michael-perry-settles-with-sec-for-80-000

Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-01 20:56:09

what a surprise no one goes to jail when ohbewanna is prezidente…keep up the good work 4 more criminal years

 
 
Comment by measton
2012-10-01 13:29:48

This tells you everything about who our gov works for. Let’s see if the tax cuts for the top 0.1% die as well. My guess is not.

WASHINGTON — Regardless of who wins the presidential election in November or what compromises Congress strikes in the lame-duck session to keep the economy from automatic tax increases and spending cuts, 160 million American wage earners will probably see their tax bills jump after Jan. 1.

That is when the temporary payroll tax holiday ends. Its expiration means less income in families’ pocketbooks — the tax increase would be about $95 billion in 2013 alone — at a time when the economy is little better than it was when the White House reached a deal on the tax break last year.

Independent analysts say that the expiration of the tax cut could shave as much as a percentage point off economic output in 2013, and cost the economy as many as one million jobs. That is because the typical American family had $1,000 in additional income from the lower tax.

I’d be shorting the market when this comes to pass.

 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-10-01 13:52:47

Digital Age overload: ‘Internet addiction’ to be classified as mental illness

Published: 01 October, 2012, 14:21
Edited: 01 October, 2012, 21:19

Think twice the next time you play a videogame or surf the Net: ‘Internet-use disorder’ is set to be added to the list of mental illnesses in the worldwide psychiatric manual. Kids are identified as being especially at risk.

The international mental health encyclopedia known as the ‘Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders’ (DSM-IV) will include Internet-use disorder as a condition “recommended for further study” in its forthcoming May 2013 edition.

Psychologists believe that Internet addiction should be categorized like other addiction disorders as it has similar symptoms, including emotional shutdown, lack of concentration and withdrawal.

Parents have noted their children becoming angry and violent when their electronic gadgets are taken away from them, the Sydney Morning Herald reported. In other instances, kids preferred to play a videogame over eating or social interaction.

One step closer to mental illness

The listing is another step towards classifying Internet addiction as a mental illness: The DSM-IV’s new inclusion demonstrates that there are risks posed by overusing technology and that more research is required, which could lead to formal diagnoses of the disorder in the future.

Psychologists are pushing to broaden the diagnoses of Internet-use disorder to include more than just gaming addictions, which could expand the age group of those affected by the illness.
”With kids, gaming is an obvious issue. But overall, technology use could be a potential problem,” Director of the Brain and
Psychological Sciences Research Centre Mike Kyrios told the Sydney Morning Herald.

Australia was one of the first countries to recognize the problem and offer public treatment, and established clinics to treat video game addiction.

That such widely used technologies can cause deep harm to children has lead to further examinations of adults habits surrounding devices used 24/7 for reading, gaming, and social interactions.

When addiction borders on insanityAddiction to online games is not a new phenomenon, with some cases grabbing international headlines over the past few years.

In a 2009 incident, 17-year-old Daniel Petric of Ohio shot his mother and injured his father after they confiscated his Halo 3 videogame because they feared he was playing it too much.

Chris Staniforth, 20, suffered a blockage to his lungs and died while playing his Xbox for up to 12 hours in 2011.
A year later, another gaming addict died after playing an online videogame for 40 hours straight at an Internet café in Taiwan.

Similar behavior has also been exhibited by adults: A Korean couple was arrested in 2010 after their infant daughter starved to death while the pair played an online game for hours. The videogame the two were playing involved raising a virtual baby.

http://rt.com/news/internet-use-mental-illness-389/ -

Comment by Muggy
2012-10-01 15:53:23

…but Mario Kart 64 doesn’t count, right?

 
 
Comment by Patrick
2012-10-01 14:03:23

Polly

How did your Canadian vacation go? Did you see the forest of building cranes in Toronto?

Comment by polly
2012-10-01 15:22:16

Oh yeah. The vacation was great, except for the Canadian cold I brought back with me. Mild, but it is lingering. I wondered what you were talking about as the shuttle bus from Billy Bishop drove a few blocks right along the lake. Then we turned north into the city and….wow. I think we went past 10 or more giant new towers in various states of going up in a 15 minute ride. And I wouldn’t have been able to tell about any new ones that were just finished enough to look done from the outside but not finished on the inside.

It is a LOT of inventory.

And the transfer from the airport to the train station was very easy. We landed 30 minutes ahead of schedule, and I was at the train station (get off plane, get luggage, get through customs, get on ferry, cross water, get on shuttle, get dropped off across the street from the train station) 45 minutes later. Plus, the Porter planes have more leg room than any plane I’ve been on in ages.

Comment by Patrick
2012-10-01 16:58:05

Polly

I have heard that there are more buildings in process in Toronto than all of the rest combined in North America. Of note, they have to sell at least 80% of them before they got their financing. (I wonder how many deposits will be walked away from when they are finished.) I haven’t flown Porter yet but I am hearing good things about them.

I hope you were treated well during your visit to Canada. Eh?

 
 
 
Comment by polly
2012-10-01 16:06:35

Breaking news:

Suit Alleges Misconduct by Bear Stearns on Mortgage Securities

link: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/02/business/suit-accuses-jpmorgan-unit-of-broad-misconduct-on-mortgage-securities.html?_r=1&hp

Tease (but, as usual, I suggest you read it all):

The complaint contends that Bear Stearns and its lending unit EMC Mortgage defrauded investors who purchased mortgage securities packaged by the companies from 2005 through 2007. The firms made material misrepresentations about the quality of the loans in the securities, the lawsuit said, and ignored evidence of broad defects among the loans that they pooled and sold to investors.

Moreover, when Bear Stearns identified problematic loans that it had agreed to purchase from a lender, it was required to make the originator buy them back. But Bear Stearns demanded cash payments from the lenders and kept the money, rather than passing it on to investors, the suit contends.

Unlike many of the other mortgage crisis cases brought by regulators such as the Securities and Exchange Commission, the action does not focus on a particular deal that harmed investors or an individual who was central to a specific transaction. Rather, the suit contends that the improper practices were institution-wide and affected numerous deals during the period.

Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-10-01 16:27:12

“The firms made material misrepresentations”

So aahhhhhhhhhhhhverybody was lying and misrepresenting.

The buyers were lying to themselves and the mortgage broker.

The realtors were lying to the buyer and the public.

The mortgage broker was lying to buyer.

The wholesale mortgage market was lying to investors.

The investors were lying to themselves.

Hmm… I just noticed something. Those that were lying to themselves got burned the most.

Don’t lie to yourself about housing….. and if you already did, get some treatment for those burns…. and do it quickly.

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2012-10-01 16:31:59

Remember when these guys said that they never saw it coming and were unaware that the loans were bad .

Comment by Neuromance
2012-10-01 16:51:34

Except their internal emails betray their supposed wide-eyed naivete:

“”Et les pauvres petits subprime borrowers vont pas faire de vieux os!!!” he writes, which translates roughly to the poor little subprime borrowers will not last long.” — Fabrice Tourre, Goldman Sachs exec.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/04/26/news/companies/Tourre_Goldman/index.htm

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2012-10-01 16:35:33

“demanded cash payments from the lenders and kept the money”

Where’s Combo?

Comment by Combotechie
2012-10-01 17:43:44

I fell off my wallet and damned near broke my leg.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-01 20:34:21

Athens Journal
Dread and Uncertainty Pervade Life in a Diminished Greece

Eirini Vourloumis for The New York Times

Pensioners at a favorite gathering spot in central Athens. Many Greeks wonder whether they and their country will emerge from the economic downturn with a secure future.
By RACHEL DONADIO
Published: June 13, 2012

ATHENS — Anyplace else, they might be signs of progress: Traffic moves faster on once clogged streets. Cigarette smoking has dropped sharply. Far less garbage heads for landfills each day.

But this is Athens, and the statistics are grim reminders of a middle-class society in rapid decline. Many fear that elections, including voting scheduled for Sunday, offer no clear route out of a deepening political and economic crisis. From its wealthy northern suburbs to the concrete blocks of downtown, there is a sense of an endgame in Athens.

“It’s the last days of Pompeii,” said Aris Chatzistefanou, a co-director of “Debtocracy,” a provocative 2011 documentary about the Greek crisis, as he stood, drink in hand, outside a cafe in Exarchia, a thrumming graffiti-filled neighborhood whose night life remains a rare pocket of defiant joy amid the unremitting gloom.

For many Greeks, the question is not which party will win. The next months and years will be difficult no matter which government is in charge. Increasingly, they wonder whether they themselves — and their country — will emerge from the crisis with a secure future. Giorgos, a 27-year-old economics major who did not want to reveal his last name, said the sense of uncertainty was oppressive.

“There is a depression in the Greek people, in all my friends,” said Giorgos, who has put off plans to open a frozen yogurt shop. “They keep saying: ‘I can’t take it. There’s depression about our jobs, depression on the news, depression about the economic situation, depression in our family, depression and fighting among friends.’ ”

He had just returned from a day trip to Munich, where like many people in the heavily indebted countries, he had opened a bank account. “I don’t want to transfer all my money, but if something goes wrong here, I don’t want to be poor just in one day,” he said.

 
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