Asked how long Greece can hold out, Prime Minister Antonis Samaras was quoted as telling German daily Handelsblatt that “the till will be empty” by the end of November.
Mr Samaras said he is confident the money will arrive on time, but warned it is “very difficult” to make further cuts to pensions and wages that the country’s debt inspectors are seeking.
Greece has relied on bailouts from increasingly impatient international creditors since May 2010. In return, it imposed a punishing austerity programme, repeatedly slashing incomes, hiking taxes and raising retirement ages.
The 77-year-old widow raised two children with her husband in their fourth-floor apartment behind Lisbon’s Campo Pequeno bull-ring. It has been the family home since 1966. Living alone there now among black-and-white photographs of her children and with her husband’s framed paintings, she pays a controlled rent of €100 ($128) a month. That just about allows her to get by on her monthly pension of €414.
But Portugal is scrapping its long-standing rent controls in one of the government’s most radical economic and social reforms since the ailing country needed a €78 billion bailout last year, when it was engulfed by Europe‘s financial crisis. Critics say the anticipated rent hikes from next month could price thousands of families out of their homes. At the very least, the change — aimed at boosting and modernizing the economy — will add to the financial burden on those struggling to cope with pay cuts and tax hikes designed to ease the country’s crippling debt load.
Prices will adjust to the “market”. IF they are really “Unaffordable”, then no one will rent them.
As a result, the price will decline to meet a price where they can fill them up.
The only time housing becomes truely unaffordable is when the government steps in to help, like by giving loans to people who can’t afford them, thereby driving up the price of houses world-wide.
Saw this yesterday and over the years I have seen many of Bill doing the same thing.
One thing that I think is obvious. The good Lord has blessed us all with a facination for the female body and breasts are probably at the top of the list for many.
My fascination was with Hilary and the way she’s peeking and smiling at the same time. She seems to be really enjoying. Or, she’s thinking is Bill around?
Jobless rate falls to 7.8 percent, lowest since 2009
By Kimberly Miller
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
The U.S. economy added 114,000 jobs in September, dropping the unemployment rate to 7.8 percent and giving President Obama a boost that could swing more votes his way in the remaining weeks leading up to the election.
Many of the jobs added last month were part time. The number of people with part-time jobs who wanted full-time work rose 7.5 percent to 8.6 million.
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Posted by jas7751 at 10:18 a.m. Oct. 5, 2012 Report Abuse
Apparently washing your neighbors dog is considered a job in these numbers….LOL
You get the numbers you want by saying that people who have been unemployed for more than a year aren’t really in the “workforce”.
They fall into the U-6 measure of all the losers who can’t find work and finally just quit trying. That number they show as 14.7%, down from 15%.
That’s a lot closer.
I would guess somewhere between 15 and 20% would be realistic.
But even at 20% unemployment, that means 80% are working full-time jobs, and life for that vast majority goes on pretty much as always, with the exception of higher prices for food, gas and insurance.
“The seasonally-adjusted SGS Alternate Unemployment Rate reflects current unemployment reporting methodology adjusted for SGS-estimated long-term discouraged workers, who were defined out of official existence in 1994. That estimate is added to the BLS estimate of U-6 unemployment, which includes short-term discouraged workers.”
Who cares who becomes President . We are all at the mercy of Main Street brainwashing to advance the cause of the rights of Corporations to buy the Government and policies and tax structures and tax breaks and bail outs ,while we have no control over where the money flows as a result of those tax breaks .The picking of winners and losers is the game we watch now .
He could at least try one option…Eliminate the 35% tax on foreign earnings if you spend it in America on Americans…No H1b or visas Hire Americans build factories, or heck bring back all the call centers….anything…just try…..
Why cant an ipad be made in Kansas?
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Comment by Steve J
2012-10-05 09:36:08
They tried that 7 years ago….more dividends and layoffs were the result.
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-05 10:01:08
Steve…they allowed free access to the money my idea is to limit it to basically paychecks and benefits, and increasing the number of workers…..layoff people you pay the tax….
Comment by polly
2012-10-05 10:39:51
Corporations already get to deduct whatever they pay their employees as a business expense. Been in the tax code since the beginning.
Next.
Comment by Housing Wizard
2012-10-05 14:11:37
Ok ,change the tax code that you can’t deduct for a worker that works outside of the USA . The logic being that you are taking that income flow and you are putting it into another country ,not the one that you taking the tax deducation from being the USA .There has to be some penalty for taking jobs and cash flow and revenue outside our borders . Oh no ,these people want tax breaks and low wages from people outside our borders ( cake and eat it also ) .
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-05 16:05:38
Polly this is the CASH (profits) they have parked in foreign counties subject to a 35% tax…if they bring it home….
I was going through the coupon circulars last night. Seems they are trying to get people to start their Christmas shopping because there were coupons for some toys.
I am really offended.
There should not be such a thing as a “My Little Pony” Pony Princess Wedding Castle. Really. The ick factor is just way too high.
I have no problem with comics. I have a few myself.
I don’t even really have that much of an issue with the “my little pony” twilight sparkle rc car. It was the combination of pony + princess + wedding + castle that got to me. My niece has all basic indicators of socially influenced 5 year old girl interests. Disney fairies are high on her list for now. But really, your characters are ponies. OK. Fine. Then they are princess ponies. Getting worse, but live with it. Then they live in a castle. Umm…they are princesses, so I guess that fits. Then in addition to all this (and the fact that a lot of the ponies seem to have wings and unicorn horns), the castle is for weddings? You couldn’t let the girls playing with the princess ponies in their castle decide even the activities that happen in the castle? It has to be for weddings? Besides, didn’t see any boy ponies. Are we talking some hot girl pony/pegasus/unicorn on hot girl pony/pegasus/unicorn action?
I played with toy horses as a kid. I played with a toy castle (it had a pink dragon in the basement). But the toy makers didn’t try to define everything that happened in the toy.
And Lego didn’t come in “sets” with only the pieces you needed to make a predefined toy.
If children don’t believe in ponies, unicorns and castles, how are they going to believe in real estate when they grow up?
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Comment by oxide
2012-10-05 06:55:08
+1
Compared to the whole work-hard-and-support-yourself farce that is corporatist America, fairy princess pony Stepford wife looks like a pretty attractive career choice. May as well start training them early.
And Lego didn’t come in “sets” with only the pieces you needed to make a predefined toy.
I hate those. They are the antithesis of what Legos are all about, which is creativity and imagination. The new sets are like paint by the numbers sets, you put them together once, and you are done. The toy gets tossed aside.
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Comment by Rental Watch
2012-10-05 10:37:00
Oh, I don’t know about that. I think the lego sets are actually quite valuable.
It is pretty important to learn how to follow directions, pay attention to the detail, convert 2 dimensions on paper to 3 dimensions in real life, etc.
And having the sets with my kids isn’t stopping them from free-form building, and mixing/matching all the pieces.
Comment by michael
2012-10-05 12:56:20
they still have the “freestyle” legos…the predefined ones remind me more of the old model airplanes and cars my father and older brother used to help me build except you can take them apart and remake them.
But, but it’s marketing genius!!! They hit ALL the little girl hot buttons at once! Ponies, princesses, castles! OK, the wedding part is a bit of a stretch, but you have to start them out young so that one day when they are planning their own weddings, no expense will be spared.
Sigh.
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Comment by oxide
2012-10-05 08:18:19
Whaaat? The wedding part is the biggest little girl hot button of all. For me, the stretch was the pony.
Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-10-05 09:30:04
Gotta train them to lust for pony castles before they grow up, so they can lust for their own castles as adults.
I’m surprised the set doesn’t come with a enchanted, wish-granting Fairy Princess, driving a Lexus, and a NAR member.
Comment by MiddleCoaster
2012-10-05 10:28:44
I must have been a weird little girl. I never fantasized about my wedding, my dolls’ weddings, or my two imaginary friends’ weddings. My poor parents.
Comment by oxide
2012-10-05 10:32:27
I think your parents would have been a lot “poorer” if they had had to pay for a fantasy wedding.
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-10-05 10:38:03
By the way, the new “Friends” legos for girls? On Fire…Lego must be making a fortune on them.
Dad’s cooking a Ren-Fair turkey leg on the grill and Mom is mowing the lawn. Olivia’s got her purse and looks ready to go shopping. Looks like Lego actually got it right…
We have two girls (5 and 3). Every toy store we see that has the “Friends” sets says that they sell them quickly. The Lego Store itself has a hard time keeping them on the shelf.
Our girls love them, and I love the fact that they are building stuff (to go along with all the more standard girl play).
Frankly, I don’t think “Sexually ambiguous, plaid shirt wearing Little Ponies at Home Depot Playland” will sell very well.
Nor will “WalMart Girl Pony Stable, with four babies, and no Daddy Pony”
Fantasy sells. Reality sucks.
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Comment by oxide
2012-10-05 08:48:36
No, I think Polly would object to those too. It’s okay to have the combination sexually ambiguous + Little Ponies + Home Depot, but why do they have to be wearing plaid shirts? You couldn’t let the little boys and girls decide which type of shirt to wear? At least give them an LL Bean catalog from to choose the costumes. And why do the toymakers have to define the playland as Home Depot? It should be a generic DIY store so the little boy can fantasize it as a Lowe’s if that’s what he wants.
Now stop unintentionally aerating my pre-defined Blue Fescue/Bermuda mix sod!
Comment by polly
2012-10-05 10:34:08
Why would any of the ponies wear plaid shirts? They don’t have clothes at all that I could see. Just really long manes.
I do want to know how twilight sparkle pony drives that car - does she do it with her teeth?
Maybe that is the real problem with the ponies as the figures in a pony pricess wedding castle - no hands. At least fairy princesses could pick up an item, like a flower or something and still carry on a conversation. Once a pony picks up a flower in its mouth, it can’t talk.
Fantasy, ponies, magic, rainbows, superpowers, weddings, wealth and privelage. All the kids need is a little plastic toy. Adults get Presidential elections.
According to my kids, this current version of this show (Friendship is Magic) is popular with young adult males. My 21 year old daughter is a big fan, as are her roommates.
From wikipedia:
“The show has been critically praised for its humor and moral outlook. Despite the target demographic of young girls, Friendship Is Magic has, in addition, gained a large following of older viewers, predominately teenagers and young adults, largely male, who call themselves “bronies”.
So … just who is really buying the “Magic Pony Wedding Castle?”
Costco has all their Christmas stuff up, right alongside the Halloween displays. I guess the days of waiting until November to sell x-mas stuff is over.
In the DFW area we are getting a lot of ‘get rich in Real-estate’ ads on the radio and TV. This is just the beginning so it’s not a another bubble yet. Shadow inventory is just a conspiracy put out by people on blogs.
Go long housing.
“Shadow inventory is just a conspiracy put out by people on blogs.”
Well I’ll be damned, I never thought I`d get a chance to be part of a conspiracy. So does that make the empty house next door to me that the people were kicked out of for not paying the mortgage 3 years ago and has not been put on the market, showed up on any foreclosure list or site anywhere part of the Shadow inventory or part of a conspiracy?
You are a fool to stay where you are. Nobody in their right mind would want to live there. Move away now and you can be prosperous in the new Romney economy. May I suggest Texas or maybe Ohio.
I mentioned this about a month ago. WE are getting the “house flipping” ads. And, according to the Ads, Tampa is the perfect market for flipping houses.
Sad I missed this.
How could I know?
I thought we had a huge surplus of houses because everybody back in 2003-2008 were buying as many houses as the could finance for the sole purpose of “flipping” them.
I’ve still got Townhouses about 1/2 mile from me that are sitting in the same unfinished condition they were in back in 2009. Construction stopped.
I better go tell them it’s “game on” again here.
Marshall Vest of the Eller College of Management at the University of Arizona said the current demand for homes is not coming from people moving here. That’s just not happening.
And he said that until the employment situation improves, there’s no sign that the kids who moved back in with mom and dad during the recession are in a financial position to form their own households.
What is driving the market, he said, is purchases by investors.
“Some real estate investment trusts have been in here buying up properties with the idea of renting those properties out,” Vest said during a meeting at the Capitol of the state’s Finance Advisory Committee. That cannot continue forever, he said.
“As soon as they’ve parked all of the money they have raised, there’s a source of housing that’s going to go away,” Vest said, adding that there is not yet the internal demand to “take up the slack.”
In my area there are still a lot of investors buying homes and then renting them out. But I also see inventory getting larger with many short sales, foreclosures and only a few “treaditional” sales.
Example:
I was looking at a house to buy but it was sold the first day it was listed. About a month later found it for rent and now I might find myself renting that baby out for a while.
I do believe that we’ve had a mini bubble in the last year, with inventory artificially low, creating a market where houses were getting multiple bids. There is some internal demand in the area, but not enough to keep the bubble going.
Additional point of info about Marshall Vest: In March 2002, I heard him speak to the Arizona Small Business Association’s Tucson chapter. Very small gathering. I don’t think there were more than a dozen people there.
Too bad, because what he said was a real game-changer as far as I was concerned.
He started out by talking about 9/11 in NYC. He was there. At the World Trade Center. Convention of the National Association of Business Economists.
The people at the final breakfast noticed trembling chandeliers in the Marriott dining room. Earthquake?
Then there was the loud boom! Plane hitting the north tower of the WTC. Someone yelled “Bomb!”
People ran out of the dining room, but they had trouble finding an exit door to the outside. A hotel employee finally located one.
Vest finds himself outside. Sees all sorts of things on the ground that didn’t make sense to him. What were they? The remains of people who’d jumped out of the north tower. People told him and others to run toward the Hudson River.
He saw the second plane strike the south tower. The crowd was told to run south, and they did. To Battery Park.
Then Vest and others kept going. He and a friend from the conference finally made it to the Upper East Side with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. Their luggage was back at the Marriott at World Trade Center. Which no longer existed.
They found a place to stay for the night. And, a couple of days later, Vest flew back to Tucson from upstate New York. He cried the whole way back.
When he spoke to the ASBA in March 2002, he was still in PTSD treatment. I’ve since heard that he was in treatment for a long time.
During his ASBA talk, he expressed concern about the slow growth in Arizona jobs vs. the rapid run-up in house prices. He, being an economist, drew a graph on the whiteboard. Between the two lines, he drew an oval and said, “This is the bubble.”
And that was the first I heard about our state’s housing bubble. I learned more about it first-hand when I was trying to buy a house I could afford here. Took almost 18 months.
Since that time, I’ve thanked Vest for helping me to avoid over-paying for a house.
(Credit: Illustration: Peter Horvath; Photographs: Getty Images)
Among the private equity deals of this century, HCA stands among the very best. Bain Capital partnered with KKR and Merrill Lynch to buy the hospital chain for $33 billion in November 2006. Bain invested $1.2 billion for a 25% stake and recovered almost all its money with a trio of special dividends in 2010. The Boston firm pulled out another $457 million when HCA went public again in March 2011 and still owns shares worth almost $3 billion. Despite the financial crisis and periodic whiffs of scandal swirling around the for-profit hospital chain, HCA is worth 26% more today than it was seven years ago, and Bain investors have more than tripled their money.
If only they could all turn out like HCA. But they haven’t. Not even close.
Actually, few of Bain’s biggest deals since buying HCA have panned out so far, leaving it with a decidedly middling recent investment record far outstripped by its mythology.
Bain Capital has endured more dissection, debate and criticism this year than any firm in the half-century-old history of private equity, owing to its founder, GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney, who launched the firm in 1984. Yet even after all this it remains among the least understood, due to its insular nature and distracting history. While both the White House and Romney himself focus on Bain’s job-creation record, no one has gauged the firm using industry-standard metrics to see how well it has performed in its core mission: making money for its partners and investors.
An exclusive analysis of the firm’s returns conducted by FORBES reveals that despite the hype surrounding Bain, investors in the firm’s biggest funds, raised in 2006 and 2008, would have been better off in a simple stock index fund. And while Bain churned out serious returns for partners and investors alike during Romney’s tenure, it’s that reputation, rather than results, that has carried Bain for the past decade.
Stephen Pagliuca, a managing director of Bain Capital, defends the firm’s recent record: “We are in the business of being long-term right.”
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“HCA is worth 26% more today……investors have more than tripled their money.”
How much of this “improvement” was due to cram-downs on the working stiffs (pay cuts, cost transfers, termination of pension plans) and customers (price increases, service reductions, gaming the Medicare/Medicaid systems to increase billings)?
Would you guys watch a baseball game in which they just picked each inning who would win and who would lose ,and it didn’t matter what
any team did . How about if it was based on how much money a team had to bribe the scorekeepers and that determined who won the innings and they could just make up scores based on that ? That’s the game we are watching and its boring because I already know who has
the most money to buy the game . I just want a new game .
There is growing unrest among the ranks at America’s largest employer: Wal-mart (WMT).
Workers from a dozen stores in the Los Angels-area went on a one-day strike Thursday “in the first-ever Wal-mart Associate walk-out in protest of attempts to silence and retaliate against workers for speaking out for improvements on the job,” according to a press release from the strike’s organizers.
Can you believe these slobs feeling entitled to a wage that supports food and shelter. Who will stand up to these union goons.
Ooh ooh, is this the precursor to the usual “Have you ever had to make payroll” conservative talking point?
For companies which boast mondo profit, that dog won’t hunt. They have no trouble making payroll; in fact they pride themselves on making payroll as small as possible.
But to answer your question: We all employ people. Anytime I buy something, I employ somebody, or a partial somebody. Based on my spending, I probably employ the equivalent of one lower-middle class worker, or a couple of McJobs.
If you REALLY care about small businesses making payroll, why don’t you work on making it more feasible for customers to buy stuff at small businesses so they can pay their workers? Fair trade and no tax breaks for offshoring. Tax cuts on the people who actually store their money in the form of “stuff” or “labor”, not the people who store their money as digits on a computer. Elect people like Elizabeth Warren to protect regular folks from the banks. Support bills which make sure that companies never grow too big to fail. Support public-option health care so small business owners don’t have to provide it, and workers can afford to work there, or start their own small businesses. Reasonable assurance of a job at the end of a high-school or college degree to encourage kids to not drop out and turn to drug dealing which at least is a paying career. A tax on microsecond trading and capital gains, so that those people who store their money as digits on a computer can’t create money faster than a laborer can work it off. Buy stuff from liberal greenie companies or the farmer’s market, or join a liberal greenie org like Green America — they are ALL about small businesses and against low-wage labor. It’s too bad that housing is so high, because that’s a good source of mad money that could be spent on stuff. If you want to be a saver instead of using cash, then buy mutual funds which support these businesses and organizations. There are a lot out there if you look.
IMO you have to make sure that you have the skills, the drive and the determination to do that.
If you don’t like Walmart, don’t shop there.
If you don’t like working there, find another job.
Quit whining about Walmart’s business plan because it is what it is.
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Comment by Neuromance
2012-10-05 16:00:28
IMO no company/entity has the responsibility to
“provide a wage that supports food and shelter”
That’s true. But the reason we allow/disallow business is because of how societally beneficial they are.
Mafias are businesses. They provide jobs. But the question which MUST BE ASKED IS: “How much do those jobs cost the society?”
Society has an interest in trying to have businesses help to improve the standard of living in that society. Optimally, it’s people helping themselves having a follow-on effect positive effect on society.
So while the business itself may have no other interest than profit, society has an interest in seeing that business have a net positive impact on society.
Oh that’s right walmart is a jobs creator???
Tell that to all the mom and pop stores put out of business by WM. Tell that to all the manufacturing jobs lost to china (most likely due to trade policy influenced by giants like WM).
Tell me this
How many jobs do you create that don’t require customers??
Is the problem with the country and the world that we don’t have enough capacity to produce goods or is it that we don’t have enough customers to produce the goods that can be produced??
There is clearly an overcapacity in almost everything everyhere. Couple that with a decade at least of scrambling to pull demand forward and produce stuff that people who don’t even exist yet will want in future.
We are entering an age of assbackwards prosperity, where there is abundance beyond imagination, but it is on the other side of the plate glass. The Age of the Flat Nosers.
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Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-05 12:40:32
We are entering an age of assbackwards prosperity, where there is abundance beyond imagination, but it is on the other side of the plate glass. The Age of the Flat Nosers.
And debt will determine which side of the glass you are on.
Comment by measton
2012-10-05 12:58:56
We are entering an age of assbackwards prosperity, where there is abundance beyond imagination, but it is on the other side of the plate glass. The Age of the Flat Nosers.
Well atleast until the riots start. Then the flat nosers will smash the glass.
Look I understand where some of you guys are coming from and yes I agree that labor is being devalued. The immigration policy is particular is killing unskilled workers. But can’t you also see it from the other side? Why aren’t these people enhancing their skills? Joining the skilled labor pool? Starting small businesses? Do they really expect a middle class life style if they just vegetate?
Adaptation and specialization is what makes us human. There is no arguing that. If you retain your juvenile unspecialized skill set then you will get paid like a juvenile.
There is a major labor shortage here in Silicon Valley. It’s easy to pickup work at $125 / hour in high tech with minimal self training. Just pickup and read a couple of books from O’Reilly Media. That’s $250K / year. Not bad. You can easily afford a home here on that type of income.
Some labor not very valuable to start with, Who goes to work at Walmart in their 40’s or 50’s? I don’t mean 20-somethings - I mean career workers. Just how hard did they work on developing their skills so that their labor had value (if at all)? Or did they just kick back with a 6-pack every night. I think too many people have gotten used to living off of cash out refinancing.
I’m no big fan of Walmart either - but there are two sides to this issue. I think it’s only fair to look at both sides. Walmart makes a profit because they have structured their labor force so they can hire a turnip and get the job done. That’s what they do. I guess that’s OK if your sole motivation is to be a turnip when you grow up.
” Why aren’t these people enhancing their skills? Joining the skilled labor pool? Starting small businesses?”
Money. Another case where it takes money to make money.
Enhancing their skills - should they take out student loans to get training that may or may not get them a better job? Do they risk losing UI when they do? How do they feed their family while going to school? Are they any better off upon completion with non-dischargeable student loans and no job?
Starting a small business. How much capital will an unskilled worker have been able to accumulate? Do they have enough business experience to have a prayer of succeeding? Do they have credit cards or a score sufficient to enable them to borrow? I know skilled people who have had to throw in the towel in spite of having a reasonably successful product.
“It’s easy to pickup work at $125 / hour in high tech with minimal self training. Just pickup and read a couple of books from O’Reilly Media.”
What skill set? I have 30 years experience in high tech and I think I would have trouble getting that kind of rate. How many of the unskilled are capable of learning it?
I seriously doubt anybody that “picked up a few O’Reilly books” can make $250K.
I know a lot of tech guys that work here on Wall St. and since my sister works in the Silly Valley, I know an insane number of people there too.
Not too many make those numbers, and the idea that someone that reads a few of those manuals can successfully compete with these extraordinarily serious technologists is definitely a “Horatio Alger” fantasy.
Yet Pussycat my dear friend, I have passed on the “Horatio Alger” fantasy to so many in this valley and they do indeed bring in the $250K / year based on my a few O’Reilly books. Got open source?
What scares me more is the few I have given said books to that couldn’t be bothered to read them.
I will boast though that there have been many that worked for me that I kicked out of the womb because even though I could have made a killing keeping them on board, I saw that their talents and life’s work were elsewhere. And they have not let me down. The new 911 replacement buildings has the stamp of one. Kudos to him!
Instead of complaining that there is no substance, why don’t provide your own substance? Fish out the salient points of a good news story and provide some analysis or opinion and spark a discussion.
I converted it into the “My Little Pony” pony princess wedding castle blog (read as: absurdity of our material culture blog). Get with the program.
And it was toilet paper. The ear wax was just incidental. (Also known as the: imagine if everyone in the US had access to a basic level of medical care without the threat of absurd levels of debt blog)
Here’s how it works….(at least in my area of expertise)
-Open mechanic’s school on shoestring
-Heavily advertise “High-paying careers in aviation”…..”Coming shortage of workers”
-Sign up young, gullible preferably poor kids to $30-50K Federal school loans. Make sure you include borrowing money for room and board, associated expenses.
-When they start classes, bill for everything up front. Pocket the cash.
-After 2-3 months, the kids find out two things….either that they don’t have the smarts/math skills/mechanical aptitude to pass the “General” courses (much less the “A” or “P” courses, or that the FAA will not issue them a license due to prior drug/DUI/etc. convictions….
-Kid drops out of school and goes home. You have pre-billed for an 18-24 month school including expenses, so you walk with cash.
-Federal Government is stuck with the problem of sqeezeing blood from turnips, assuming they can track down the turnips.
Hey that’s the private enterprise, privitization that job creators envision for the country. You forgot about the kickback to higher ups so that your school doesn’t get shut down.
Acquaintance of mine juts did a year at Heald College. Took a bunch of loans and then dropped out because of the grade inflation, really dumb students, and the fact that he really wasn’t learning anything.
Yep ,I see the “get a career ” school scams cropping up all over .
The scam part is the getting of the money up front .It should be based on how long the person stays in the school . Again a loan scam . But it was no different than all the other extentions of credit that ended up being use to buy products like cars and boats and you name it where everybody was in debt up to their eyeballs with unsustainable debt ,especially based on real income . The wealth effect of easy credit or using fake real estate prices to back equity loans to buy “stuff .”
The insiders quickly figure out the structure of the game and capitalize on it if they are sufficiently amoral. When the SHTF, they shrug and say “No one could have seen it coming.”
On Wednesday morning, the EIA reported a sharp drop in gasoline demand versus a year ago - leading futures to fall to the low of the week. But prices quickly recovered after the fire at the Exxon Baytown refinery.
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And then there are pockets of the country where the supply crunch is more pronounced.
The cash market for gasoline - which sets the price for retail gasoline prices that consumers pay - in California soared $1.15 cents in 9 days to $4.24 a gallon on Thursday.
The rapid increase came after a Chevron (CVX) refinery fire and power failure at an Exxon refinery in the state exacerbated the condition of already low gasoline supplies. Retail gasoline prices in California are usually the highest in the nation.
The spike this week “is like something out of the Wild, Wild West,” says OPIS analyst Tom Kloza. The state-wide average in California jumped 17 cents overnight, a 4 percent surge spurred by refinery issues, tight supplies of the state-mandated special blend of gasoline required.
In other states, such as Mississippi, the statewide average is $3.52. Here in New York, gasoline averages at $4.13 per gallon. California tops the list with an average of $4.49 per gallon.
Think how good it feels to tell market manipulators to suck on an egg. That’s what VOLT, Tesla, electric and hybrid drivers get to do. I’ll drop my gas usage another 30-40% when we pick up our VOLT this week and 90% when I pick up my new electric.
Good for you. I have a high regard for people that vote with their dollars versus just sitting around complaining and not changing a thing in their lifestyles.
On a (maybe not so) smilar note, I got a call from a recruiter this morning and she was surprised at what I was earning. I told her my bike commute is four minutes door to door. And being a person of modest expense, I did not require any more to live on than my current compensation. Money wasn’t really important to me versus quality of life. From her delayed response I don’t think that she heard that type of answer too much.
If $50 per month is an issue for you, you have no bleedin’ business going into debt for $500K.
At that point, you have serious budget issues.
I’d argue the same for sums up to about $300-500. We can quibble over the long end but the short end seems rather straightforward to me.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-05 21:28:54
I did recently find myself wishing I had bought a Prius. But then I did a little back-of-the-envelope maths: My 320 miles of weekly commuting could be done at about half the gasoline cost, saving me $25/week, or $1300/year.
I’m not telling my lovely wife, but the leg room plus not having to drive a chick car pencils out for me…
I would love to get a VOLT. There is a guy on one of the volt blogs who put a 5000w inverter in his trunk with a hookup to his house A/C and he had a solar array feeding it. The cool part was he could run the house on the volt’s battery at night. If the battery got too low at night the volt would automatically start up and charge it up. His cost was about $600 it think.
“The jobs report is prepared under tight security each month by a relatively obscure government agency — the Bureau of Labor Statistics — without any oversight or input from the White House. It is based on data collected by an army of census workers, who interview Americans in 60,000 households by telephone or door-to-door.”
“Economists offered more plausible reasons for skepticism. A big chunk of the increase in employed Americans came from those who had to settle for part-time work: 582,000 more people reported that they were working part-time last month but wanted full-time jobs.”
Army of census workers? 582,000 more people reported that they were working part-time last month? Right LMAO
Fot the next trick they will feed 582,000 part-time workers with one fish. It`s a miracle!
Posted: 6:15 p.m. Friday, Oct. 5, 2012
Steep drop in unemployment rate spawns conspiracy
By CHRISTOPHER S. RUGABER
The Associated Press
WASHINGTON —
Conspiracy theorists came out in force after the government reported a sudden drop in the U.S. unemployment rate one month before Election Day. Their message: The Obama administration would do anything to ensure a November victory, including manipulating unemployment data.
The conspiracy was widely rejected. Officials at the Labor Department said the jobs figures are calculated by highly trained government employees without any political interference. Democrats and even some Republicans said they also found the charges implausible.
Yet that didn’t stop the chatter. The allegations were a measure of how politicized the monthly unemployment report has become near the end of a campaign that has focused on the economy and jobs.
The conspiracy erupted after former General Electric CEO Jack Welch, a Republican, tweeted his skepticism five minutes after the Labor Department announced that the unemployment rate had fallen to 7.8 percent in September from 8.1 percent the month before.
“Unbelievable jobs numbers..these Chicago guys will do anything..can’t debate so change numbers,” Welch tweeted, referring to the site of Obama campaign headquarters.
The drop in unemployment was announced two days after Obama’s lackluster performance in his first debate with Republican challenger Mitt Romney.
Republican Rep. Allen West of Florida soon announced via Facebook that he agreed with Welch.
“Somehow by manipulation of data we are all of a sudden below 8 percent unemployment, a month from the presidential election,” West wrote. “This is Orwellian to say the least.”
The Obama administration wasn’t given much time to gloat about the strong economic improvement. Instead, it had to defend statisticians and economists against accusations made without any supporting evidence.
“No serious person … would make claims like that,” said Alan Krueger, chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers.
The jobs report is prepared under tight security each month by a relatively obscure government agency — the Bureau of Labor Statistics — without any oversight or input from the White House. It is based on data collected by an army of census workers, who interview Americans in 60,000 households by telephone or door-to-door.
Eight days before the unemployment rate is made public, the bureau’s office suite goes into lockdown. Tom Nardone, a 36-year veteran at the agency who oversees preparation of the report, keeps crucial papers in a safe in his office.
A big reason for the security has nothing to do with politics. The data could move financial markets if it were released early.
“These are our best-trained and best-skilled individuals,” Labor Secretary Hilda Solis said on CNBC. She called the claims of manipulation “ludicrous.”
The BLS, the statistical division of the Labor Department, collected and analyzed data and calculated the unemployment rate before Wednesday night’s presidential debate.
Joel Naroff, president of Naroff Economic Advisors, said that it’s “not that unusual” for the rate to move by three-tenths of a percent in one month. It’s happened 12 times in the past 10 years.
“In other words, at least once a year, you should expect that large a move,” he said in an email to clients. It last happened 20 months ago, “so we were overdue. That is just the reality of the data.”
Romney didn’t discredit the government data. But plenty of conservatives did that work for him.
Conn Carroll, an editorial writer at the Washington Examiner, tweeted: “I don’t think BLS cooked numbers. I think a bunch of Dems lied about getting jobs. That would have same effect.”
Rick Manning, communications director of Americans for Limited Government and the former public affairs chief of staff at the Labor Department, said “anyone who takes this unemployment report serious is either naive or a paid Obama campaign adviser.”
Rep. Paul Broun, a Maryland Republican, weighed in with a statement saying the report “raises questions for me, and frankly it should be raising eyebrows for people across the country.”
Economists offered more plausible reasons for skepticism. A big chunk of the increase in employed Americans came from those who had to settle for part-time work: 582,000 more people reported that they were working part-time last month but wanted full-time jobs.
Conspiracy theories are nothing new for Obama. He has been dogged by discredited claims that he wasn’t born in this country and that he is Muslim.
“Stop with the dumb conspiracy theories. Good grief,” Tony Fratto, who worked for President George W. Bush, weighed in on Twitter.
It wasn’t just the political elite commenting. Angelia Levy, a researcher at the Federal Judicial Center, the research arm of the federal judiciary, told her 588 Twitter followers that Welch’s comments were “unbelievable.”
“All of the sudden they’re questioning this data that’s been reported for decades,” the Democrat said in a phone interview. “It’s so hypocritical and ridiculous.”
Justin Wolfers, a professor of business and public policy at the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School and research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research, went on Twitter to say Welch “just labeled himself an idiot.”
In a follow-up phone call, Wolfers said the economists who calculate the monthly jobs report “are nerds who spend their lives crunching numbers for the public service. To impute their integrity is outrageous.”
The agency has been in the political glare before.
In 1971, President Nixon took aim at it after a top official, Howard Goldstein, publicly attributed a steep drop in unemployment to largely technical factors. The administration reorganized the agency and installed several officials in newly created positions. That led to charges from Democrats that the Republican administration was politicizing the bureau.
Welch said later in the day in a Fox News interview: “I don’t know what the right number is, but I’ll tell you, these numbers don’t smell right when you think about where the economy is right now.”
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Asked how long Greece can hold out, Prime Minister Antonis Samaras was quoted as telling German daily Handelsblatt that “the till will be empty” by the end of November.
Mr Samaras said he is confident the money will arrive on time, but warned it is “very difficult” to make further cuts to pensions and wages that the country’s debt inspectors are seeking.
Greece has relied on bailouts from increasingly impatient international creditors since May 2010. In return, it imposed a punishing austerity programme, repeatedly slashing incomes, hiking taxes and raising retirement ages.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5iONsoB5xbEWy995TsldajPvtwqug?docId=N0058091349425021712A
The 77-year-old widow raised two children with her husband in their fourth-floor apartment behind Lisbon’s Campo Pequeno bull-ring. It has been the family home since 1966. Living alone there now among black-and-white photographs of her children and with her husband’s framed paintings, she pays a controlled rent of €100 ($128) a month. That just about allows her to get by on her monthly pension of €414.
But Portugal is scrapping its long-standing rent controls in one of the government’s most radical economic and social reforms since the ailing country needed a €78 billion bailout last year, when it was engulfed by Europe‘s financial crisis. Critics say the anticipated rent hikes from next month could price thousands of families out of their homes. At the very least, the change — aimed at boosting and modernizing the economy — will add to the financial burden on those struggling to cope with pay cuts and tax hikes designed to ease the country’s crippling debt load.
Read more: http://world.time.com/2012/10/02/portugal-scraps-rent-controls-alarms-low-earners/#ixzz28PsT88uH
Dumping more rentals on the market should be a big hit.
Especially at unaffordable prices.
Prices will adjust to the “market”. IF they are really “Unaffordable”, then no one will rent them.
As a result, the price will decline to meet a price where they can fill them up.
The only time housing becomes truely unaffordable is when the government steps in to help, like by giving loans to people who can’t afford them, thereby driving up the price of houses world-wide.
Comment by Ross Peroxide
2012-10-04 07:57:57
Something funny.
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2012/10/04/1004-hilary-clinton-christina-aguilera-getty-3.jpg
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seinfeld…peeking at cleavage - YouTube
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Saw this yesterday and over the years I have seen many of Bill doing the same thing.
One thing that I think is obvious. The good Lord has blessed us all with a facination for the female body and breasts are probably at the top of the list for many.
Thank you Lord for simple pleasures.
My fascination was with Hilary and the way she’s peeking and smiling at the same time. She seems to be really enjoying. Or, she’s thinking is Bill around?
I think she’s enjoying the view, maybe thinking how much Bill would enjoy it too.
The Number is…..More unemployment and less JOBS….way to go ohbewanna
7.8%, LMFAO. give me a break. It is like 20% around here at least.
do the sheep believe these numbers?
Posted: 10:03 a.m. Friday, Oct. 5, 2012
Jobless rate falls to 7.8 percent, lowest since 2009
By Kimberly Miller
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
The U.S. economy added 114,000 jobs in September, dropping the unemployment rate to 7.8 percent and giving President Obama a boost that could swing more votes his way in the remaining weeks leading up to the election.
Many of the jobs added last month were part time. The number of people with part-time jobs who wanted full-time work rose 7.5 percent to 8.6 million.
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Apparently washing your neighbors dog is considered a job in these numbers….LOL
I knew they would make it below 8% before election. My question is what took it so long?
“its math…arithmetic” - President Obama
If you can’t defend/debate the numbers …… just change them.
You get the numbers you want by saying that people who have been unemployed for more than a year aren’t really in the “workforce”.
They fall into the U-6 measure of all the losers who can’t find work and finally just quit trying. That number they show as 14.7%, down from 15%.
That’s a lot closer.
I would guess somewhere between 15 and 20% would be realistic.
But even at 20% unemployment, that means 80% are working full-time jobs, and life for that vast majority goes on pretty much as always, with the exception of higher prices for food, gas and insurance.
“The seasonally-adjusted SGS Alternate Unemployment Rate reflects current unemployment reporting methodology adjusted for SGS-estimated long-term discouraged workers, who were defined out of official existence in 1994. That estimate is added to the BLS estimate of U-6 unemployment, which includes short-term discouraged workers.”
http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts
As much as “ohbewanna” sucks, he (or any president) can’t force Corporate America to stop offshoring.
He also can’t force Corporate America, which is enjoying record profits, to hire or give its current staff raises.
By classic metrics Corporate America should have been on a hiring spree. And they have been, in sweatshop countries.
Who cares who becomes President . We are all at the mercy of Main Street brainwashing to advance the cause of the rights of Corporations to buy the Government and policies and tax structures and tax breaks and bail outs ,while we have no control over where the money flows as a result of those tax breaks .The picking of winners and losers is the game we watch now .
He could at least try one option…Eliminate the 35% tax on foreign earnings if you spend it in America on Americans…No H1b or visas Hire Americans build factories, or heck bring back all the call centers….anything…just try…..
Why cant an ipad be made in Kansas?
They tried that 7 years ago….more dividends and layoffs were the result.
Steve…they allowed free access to the money my idea is to limit it to basically paychecks and benefits, and increasing the number of workers…..layoff people you pay the tax….
Corporations already get to deduct whatever they pay their employees as a business expense. Been in the tax code since the beginning.
Next.
Ok ,change the tax code that you can’t deduct for a worker that works outside of the USA . The logic being that you are taking that income flow and you are putting it into another country ,not the one that you taking the tax deducation from being the USA .There has to be some penalty for taking jobs and cash flow and revenue outside our borders . Oh no ,these people want tax breaks and low wages from people outside our borders ( cake and eat it also ) .
Polly this is the CASH (profits) they have parked in foreign counties subject to a 35% tax…if they bring it home….
I am seeing more help wanted signs recently.
I was going through the coupon circulars last night. Seems they are trying to get people to start their Christmas shopping because there were coupons for some toys.
I am really offended.
There should not be such a thing as a “My Little Pony” Pony Princess Wedding Castle. Really. The ick factor is just way too high.
“There should not be such a thing as a ‘My Little Pony’ Pony Princess Wedding Castle.”
Lol. So much for freedom of choice.
What would you suggest replacing them with? My Little Lawyer
How about My Little Bankster: Bailouts are Magic!
My Little Candy-Crapping Unicorn. “Craps real candy corn!”
(Warning: Made in China. Do not eat.)
Costco has had Xmas stuff out now for a month! They want people to spend now while they have the money.
what about iron man and spider man…can there be such a thing as that?
my “this person doesn’t have children” sense is going off.
I have no problem with comics. I have a few myself.
I don’t even really have that much of an issue with the “my little pony” twilight sparkle rc car. It was the combination of pony + princess + wedding + castle that got to me. My niece has all basic indicators of socially influenced 5 year old girl interests. Disney fairies are high on her list for now. But really, your characters are ponies. OK. Fine. Then they are princess ponies. Getting worse, but live with it. Then they live in a castle. Umm…they are princesses, so I guess that fits. Then in addition to all this (and the fact that a lot of the ponies seem to have wings and unicorn horns), the castle is for weddings? You couldn’t let the girls playing with the princess ponies in their castle decide even the activities that happen in the castle? It has to be for weddings? Besides, didn’t see any boy ponies. Are we talking some hot girl pony/pegasus/unicorn on hot girl pony/pegasus/unicorn action?
I played with toy horses as a kid. I played with a toy castle (it had a pink dragon in the basement). But the toy makers didn’t try to define everything that happened in the toy.
And Lego didn’t come in “sets” with only the pieces you needed to make a predefined toy.
Now get off my lawn!
If children don’t believe in ponies, unicorns and castles, how are they going to believe in real estate when they grow up?
+1
Compared to the whole work-hard-and-support-yourself farce that is corporatist America, fairy princess pony Stepford wife looks like a pretty attractive career choice. May as well start training them early.
And Lego didn’t come in “sets” with only the pieces you needed to make a predefined toy.
I hate those. They are the antithesis of what Legos are all about, which is creativity and imagination. The new sets are like paint by the numbers sets, you put them together once, and you are done. The toy gets tossed aside.
Oh, I don’t know about that. I think the lego sets are actually quite valuable.
It is pretty important to learn how to follow directions, pay attention to the detail, convert 2 dimensions on paper to 3 dimensions in real life, etc.
And having the sets with my kids isn’t stopping them from free-form building, and mixing/matching all the pieces.
they still have the “freestyle” legos…the predefined ones remind me more of the old model airplanes and cars my father and older brother used to help me build except you can take them apart and remake them.
Besides, didn’t see any boy ponies.
Well, duh! Boy ponies have cooties!
One of my female coworkers was immensely relieved when her 5 year old daughter asked to be Spiderman and not a “princess” for Halloween.
“Besides, didn’t see any boy ponies.”
there are boy ponies…they just don’t “look” like boy ponies.
don’t ask; don’t tell.
But, but it’s marketing genius!!! They hit ALL the little girl hot buttons at once! Ponies, princesses, castles! OK, the wedding part is a bit of a stretch, but you have to start them out young so that one day when they are planning their own weddings, no expense will be spared.
Sigh.
Whaaat? The wedding part is the biggest little girl hot button of all. For me, the stretch was the pony.
Gotta train them to lust for pony castles before they grow up, so they can lust for their own castles as adults.
I’m surprised the set doesn’t come with a enchanted, wish-granting Fairy Princess, driving a Lexus, and a NAR member.
I must have been a weird little girl. I never fantasized about my wedding, my dolls’ weddings, or my two imaginary friends’ weddings. My poor parents.
I think your parents would have been a lot “poorer” if they had had to pay for a fantasy wedding.
By the way, the new “Friends” legos for girls? On Fire…Lego must be making a fortune on them.
Just looked up “Olivia’s House.”
http://shop.lego.com/en-US/Olivia-s-House-3315
Dad’s cooking a Ren-Fair turkey leg on the grill and Mom is mowing the lawn. Olivia’s got her purse and looks ready to go shopping. Looks like Lego actually got it right…
“For me, the stretch was the pony.”
+1 A pony ride does involve some stretching.
We have two girls (5 and 3). Every toy store we see that has the “Friends” sets says that they sell them quickly. The Lego Store itself has a hard time keeping them on the shelf.
Our girls love them, and I love the fact that they are building stuff (to go along with all the more standard girl play).
Frankly, I don’t think “Sexually ambiguous, plaid shirt wearing Little Ponies at Home Depot Playland” will sell very well.
Nor will “WalMart Girl Pony Stable, with four babies, and no Daddy Pony”
Fantasy sells. Reality sucks.
No, I think Polly would object to those too. It’s okay to have the combination sexually ambiguous + Little Ponies + Home Depot, but why do they have to be wearing plaid shirts? You couldn’t let the little boys and girls decide which type of shirt to wear? At least give them an LL Bean catalog from to choose the costumes. And why do the toymakers have to define the playland as Home Depot? It should be a generic DIY store so the little boy can fantasize it as a Lowe’s if that’s what he wants.
Now stop unintentionally aerating my pre-defined Blue Fescue/Bermuda mix sod!
Why would any of the ponies wear plaid shirts? They don’t have clothes at all that I could see. Just really long manes.
I do want to know how twilight sparkle pony drives that car - does she do it with her teeth?
Maybe that is the real problem with the ponies as the figures in a pony pricess wedding castle - no hands. At least fairy princesses could pick up an item, like a flower or something and still carry on a conversation. Once a pony picks up a flower in its mouth, it can’t talk.
“Pony Princess Wedding Castle”
Fantasy, ponies, magic, rainbows, superpowers, weddings, wealth and privelage. All the kids need is a little plastic toy. Adults get Presidential elections.
That toy certainly has a lot going on. It reminds me of SNL spoofing McDonalds with the ‘Bacon Salad Sundae’ bit.
My Little Pony”
According to my kids, this current version of this show (Friendship is Magic) is popular with young adult males. My 21 year old daughter is a big fan, as are her roommates.
From wikipedia:
“The show has been critically praised for its humor and moral outlook. Despite the target demographic of young girls, Friendship Is Magic has, in addition, gained a large following of older viewers, predominately teenagers and young adults, largely male, who call themselves “bronies”.
So … just who is really buying the “Magic Pony Wedding Castle?”
Costco has all their Christmas stuff up, right alongside the Halloween displays. I guess the days of waiting until November to sell x-mas stuff is over.
So sick of consumerism.
In the DFW area we are getting a lot of ‘get rich in Real-estate’ ads on the radio and TV. This is just the beginning so it’s not a another bubble yet. Shadow inventory is just a conspiracy put out by people on blogs.
Go long housing.
“Shadow inventory is just a conspiracy put out by people on blogs.”
Well I’ll be damned, I never thought I`d get a chance to be part of a conspiracy. So does that make the empty house next door to me that the people were kicked out of for not paying the mortgage 3 years ago and has not been put on the market, showed up on any foreclosure list or site anywhere part of the Shadow inventory or part of a conspiracy?
You are a fool to stay where you are. Nobody in their right mind would want to live there. Move away now and you can be prosperous in the new Romney economy. May I suggest Texas or maybe Ohio.
Shadow inventory is just a conspiracy put out by people on blogs.
Dang! Does that mean I have to stop wearing my tinfoil hat?
shadow inventory
shadow unemployment
shadow inflation
shadow GDP
shadow money supply.
see the conspiracy at shadowstats.com
Hidden: Cheney-$hrub $hadow Legacie$
Not long on housing, so much as long on land within short commuting distances. If there happens to be a house on it so much the better.
I mentioned this about a month ago. WE are getting the “house flipping” ads. And, according to the Ads, Tampa is the perfect market for flipping houses.
Sad I missed this.
How could I know?
I thought we had a huge surplus of houses because everybody back in 2003-2008 were buying as many houses as the could finance for the sole purpose of “flipping” them.
I’ve still got Townhouses about 1/2 mile from me that are sitting in the same unfinished condition they were in back in 2009. Construction stopped.
I better go tell them it’s “game on” again here.
Atwater California is next;
Atwater Declares Emergency - Bloomberg | Brief
http://www.bloombergbriefs.com/2012/10/04/atwater-declares-emergency/18 hours ago – Atwater Declares Emergency. Tweet. Atwater, California, declared a fiscal emergency and told almost a quarter of its employees they will lose …
So where’s the bailout?
Looks like Arizona’s housing market isn’t roaring back after all. And another bubble may be forming. Story from Tucson’s leading daily fishwrap:
New housing dip viewed as possibility in Arizona
Purchases by real estate investment trusts can’t go on forever, UA economist warns
Super-happy fun money quote:
Marshall Vest of the Eller College of Management at the University of Arizona said the current demand for homes is not coming from people moving here. That’s just not happening.
And he said that until the employment situation improves, there’s no sign that the kids who moved back in with mom and dad during the recession are in a financial position to form their own households.
What is driving the market, he said, is purchases by investors.
“Some real estate investment trusts have been in here buying up properties with the idea of renting those properties out,” Vest said during a meeting at the Capitol of the state’s Finance Advisory Committee. That cannot continue forever, he said.
“As soon as they’ve parked all of the money they have raised, there’s a source of housing that’s going to go away,” Vest said, adding that there is not yet the internal demand to “take up the slack.”
Slim,
In my area there are still a lot of investors buying homes and then renting them out. But I also see inventory getting larger with many short sales, foreclosures and only a few “treaditional” sales.
Example:
I was looking at a house to buy but it was sold the first day it was listed. About a month later found it for rent and now I might find myself renting that baby out for a while.
I do believe that we’ve had a mini bubble in the last year, with inventory artificially low, creating a market where houses were getting multiple bids. There is some internal demand in the area, but not enough to keep the bubble going.
Additional point of info about Marshall Vest: In March 2002, I heard him speak to the Arizona Small Business Association’s Tucson chapter. Very small gathering. I don’t think there were more than a dozen people there.
Too bad, because what he said was a real game-changer as far as I was concerned.
He started out by talking about 9/11 in NYC. He was there. At the World Trade Center. Convention of the National Association of Business Economists.
The people at the final breakfast noticed trembling chandeliers in the Marriott dining room. Earthquake?
Then there was the loud boom! Plane hitting the north tower of the WTC. Someone yelled “Bomb!”
People ran out of the dining room, but they had trouble finding an exit door to the outside. A hotel employee finally located one.
Vest finds himself outside. Sees all sorts of things on the ground that didn’t make sense to him. What were they? The remains of people who’d jumped out of the north tower. People told him and others to run toward the Hudson River.
He saw the second plane strike the south tower. The crowd was told to run south, and they did. To Battery Park.
Then Vest and others kept going. He and a friend from the conference finally made it to the Upper East Side with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. Their luggage was back at the Marriott at World Trade Center. Which no longer existed.
They found a place to stay for the night. And, a couple of days later, Vest flew back to Tucson from upstate New York. He cried the whole way back.
When he spoke to the ASBA in March 2002, he was still in PTSD treatment. I’ve since heard that he was in treatment for a long time.
During his ASBA talk, he expressed concern about the slow growth in Arizona jobs vs. the rapid run-up in house prices. He, being an economist, drew a graph on the whiteboard. Between the two lines, he drew an oval and said, “This is the bubble.”
And that was the first I heard about our state’s housing bubble. I learned more about it first-hand when I was trying to buy a house I could afford here. Took almost 18 months.
Since that time, I’ve thanked Vest for helping me to avoid over-paying for a house.
Dead cat bounce.
10/03/2012 @ 6:00AM
The Truth About Bain: Inside The House That Mitt Built
This story appears in the October 22, 2012 issue of Forbes.
(Credit: Illustration: Peter Horvath; Photographs: Getty Images)
Among the private equity deals of this century, HCA stands among the very best. Bain Capital partnered with KKR and Merrill Lynch to buy the hospital chain for $33 billion in November 2006. Bain invested $1.2 billion for a 25% stake and recovered almost all its money with a trio of special dividends in 2010. The Boston firm pulled out another $457 million when HCA went public again in March 2011 and still owns shares worth almost $3 billion. Despite the financial crisis and periodic whiffs of scandal swirling around the for-profit hospital chain, HCA is worth 26% more today than it was seven years ago, and Bain investors have more than tripled their money.
If only they could all turn out like HCA. But they haven’t. Not even close.
Actually, few of Bain’s biggest deals since buying HCA have panned out so far, leaving it with a decidedly middling recent investment record far outstripped by its mythology.
Bain Capital has endured more dissection, debate and criticism this year than any firm in the half-century-old history of private equity, owing to its founder, GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney, who launched the firm in 1984. Yet even after all this it remains among the least understood, due to its insular nature and distracting history. While both the White House and Romney himself focus on Bain’s job-creation record, no one has gauged the firm using industry-standard metrics to see how well it has performed in its core mission: making money for its partners and investors.
An exclusive analysis of the firm’s returns conducted by FORBES reveals that despite the hype surrounding Bain, investors in the firm’s biggest funds, raised in 2006 and 2008, would have been better off in a simple stock index fund. And while Bain churned out serious returns for partners and investors alike during Romney’s tenure, it’s that reputation, rather than results, that has carried Bain for the past decade.
Stephen Pagliuca, a managing director of Bain Capital, defends the firm’s recent record: “We are in the business of being long-term right.”
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“HCA is worth 26% more today……investors have more than tripled their money.”
How much of this “improvement” was due to cram-downs on the working stiffs (pay cuts, cost transfers, termination of pension plans) and customers (price increases, service reductions, gaming the Medicare/Medicaid systems to increase billings)?
Trickle-Up Theory in action. The USA’s new SOP.
Would you guys watch a baseball game in which they just picked each inning who would win and who would lose ,and it didn’t matter what
any team did . How about if it was based on how much money a team had to bribe the scorekeepers and that determined who won the innings and they could just make up scores based on that ? That’s the game we are watching and its boring because I already know who has
the most money to buy the game . I just want a new game .
Heck, I don’t watch baseball at all.
You mean you don’t watch commercials? Baseball and Football are just the brief distraction from the commercials.
There is growing unrest among the ranks at America’s largest employer: Wal-mart (WMT).
Workers from a dozen stores in the Los Angels-area went on a one-day strike Thursday “in the first-ever Wal-mart Associate walk-out in protest of attempts to silence and retaliate against workers for speaking out for improvements on the job,” according to a press release from the strike’s organizers.
Can you believe these slobs feeling entitled to a wage that supports food and shelter. Who will stand up to these union goons.
Measton, How many people do you employ?
Ooh ooh, is this the precursor to the usual “Have you ever had to make payroll” conservative talking point?
For companies which boast mondo profit, that dog won’t hunt. They have no trouble making payroll; in fact they pride themselves on making payroll as small as possible.
But to answer your question: We all employ people. Anytime I buy something, I employ somebody, or a partial somebody. Based on my spending, I probably employ the equivalent of one lower-middle class worker, or a couple of McJobs.
If you REALLY care about small businesses making payroll, why don’t you work on making it more feasible for customers to buy stuff at small businesses so they can pay their workers? Fair trade and no tax breaks for offshoring. Tax cuts on the people who actually store their money in the form of “stuff” or “labor”, not the people who store their money as digits on a computer. Elect people like Elizabeth Warren to protect regular folks from the banks. Support bills which make sure that companies never grow too big to fail. Support public-option health care so small business owners don’t have to provide it, and workers can afford to work there, or start their own small businesses. Reasonable assurance of a job at the end of a high-school or college degree to encourage kids to not drop out and turn to drug dealing which at least is a paying career. A tax on microsecond trading and capital gains, so that those people who store their money as digits on a computer can’t create money faster than a laborer can work it off. Buy stuff from liberal greenie companies or the farmer’s market, or join a liberal greenie org like Green America — they are ALL about small businesses and against low-wage labor. It’s too bad that housing is so high, because that’s a good source of mad money that could be spent on stuff. If you want to be a saver instead of using cash, then buy mutual funds which support these businesses and organizations. There are a lot out there if you look.
IMO no company/entity has the responsibility to
“provide a wage that supports food and shelter”
IMO you have to make sure that you have the skills, the drive and the determination to do that.
If you don’t like Walmart, don’t shop there.
If you don’t like working there, find another job.
Quit whining about Walmart’s business plan because it is what it is.
That’s true. But the reason we allow/disallow business is because of how societally beneficial they are.
Mafias are businesses. They provide jobs. But the question which MUST BE ASKED IS: “How much do those jobs cost the society?”
Society has an interest in trying to have businesses help to improve the standard of living in that society. Optimally, it’s people helping themselves having a follow-on effect positive effect on society.
So while the business itself may have no other interest than profit, society has an interest in seeing that business have a net positive impact on society.
Oh that’s right walmart is a jobs creator???
Tell that to all the mom and pop stores put out of business by WM. Tell that to all the manufacturing jobs lost to china (most likely due to trade policy influenced by giants like WM).
Tell me this
How many jobs do you create that don’t require customers??
Is the problem with the country and the world that we don’t have enough capacity to produce goods or is it that we don’t have enough customers to produce the goods that can be produced??
correction
customers to consume the goods that can be produced??
There is clearly an overcapacity in almost everything everyhere. Couple that with a decade at least of scrambling to pull demand forward and produce stuff that people who don’t even exist yet will want in future.
We are entering an age of assbackwards prosperity, where there is abundance beyond imagination, but it is on the other side of the plate glass. The Age of the Flat Nosers.
We are entering an age of assbackwards prosperity, where there is abundance beyond imagination, but it is on the other side of the plate glass. The Age of the Flat Nosers.
And debt will determine which side of the glass you are on.
We are entering an age of assbackwards prosperity, where there is abundance beyond imagination, but it is on the other side of the plate glass. The Age of the Flat Nosers.
Well atleast until the riots start. Then the flat nosers will smash the glass.
And there’s that warehouse strike in Illinois. Methinks that WMT is heading for widespread labor unrest, whether it likes it or not.
Not to mention consumer boycotts in a big way. Coming very soon.
And who knows the future impact on their extensive (albeit ultra-efficient) distribution costs with QE4+ ongoing increases in commodity/oil prices.
There is nothing good about WMT.
Not to mention consumer boycotts in a big way. Coming very soon.
Ooh… why? Linky source please?
Agree that the typical Wal Mart shoppers could care less about unions and fair treatment. I occasionally mingle and shop with them.
Cheese puffs, yes.
Employee benefits? Forget about it. See the hilarious yet denigrating website.
And there’s that warehouse strike in Illinois. Methinks that WMT is heading for widespread labor unrest, whether it likes it or not.
Me thinks the entire globe is headed for labor unrest as wealth has been so concentrated and labor is being devalued to at or below sustenance levels.
It’s pretty hard to imagine how these giant sprawling WMTs buildings can be repurposed.
That’s one of the major problems with the big box store buildings. It’s very hard to make them over once they’ve been vacated.
Look I understand where some of you guys are coming from and yes I agree that labor is being devalued. The immigration policy is particular is killing unskilled workers. But can’t you also see it from the other side? Why aren’t these people enhancing their skills? Joining the skilled labor pool? Starting small businesses? Do they really expect a middle class life style if they just vegetate?
Adaptation and specialization is what makes us human. There is no arguing that. If you retain your juvenile unspecialized skill set then you will get paid like a juvenile.
There is a major labor shortage here in Silicon Valley. It’s easy to pickup work at $125 / hour in high tech with minimal self training. Just pickup and read a couple of books from O’Reilly Media. That’s $250K / year. Not bad. You can easily afford a home here on that type of income.
Some labor not very valuable to start with, Who goes to work at Walmart in their 40’s or 50’s? I don’t mean 20-somethings - I mean career workers. Just how hard did they work on developing their skills so that their labor had value (if at all)? Or did they just kick back with a 6-pack every night. I think too many people have gotten used to living off of cash out refinancing.
I’m no big fan of Walmart either - but there are two sides to this issue. I think it’s only fair to look at both sides. Walmart makes a profit because they have structured their labor force so they can hire a turnip and get the job done. That’s what they do. I guess that’s OK if your sole motivation is to be a turnip when you grow up.
” Why aren’t these people enhancing their skills? Joining the skilled labor pool? Starting small businesses?”
Money. Another case where it takes money to make money.
Enhancing their skills - should they take out student loans to get training that may or may not get them a better job? Do they risk losing UI when they do? How do they feed their family while going to school? Are they any better off upon completion with non-dischargeable student loans and no job?
Starting a small business. How much capital will an unskilled worker have been able to accumulate? Do they have enough business experience to have a prayer of succeeding? Do they have credit cards or a score sufficient to enable them to borrow? I know skilled people who have had to throw in the towel in spite of having a reasonably successful product.
“It’s easy to pickup work at $125 / hour in high tech with minimal self training. Just pickup and read a couple of books from O’Reilly Media.”
What skill set? I have 30 years experience in high tech and I think I would have trouble getting that kind of rate. How many of the unskilled are capable of learning it?
I seriously doubt anybody that “picked up a few O’Reilly books” can make $250K.
I know a lot of tech guys that work here on Wall St. and since my sister works in the Silly Valley, I know an insane number of people there too.
Not too many make those numbers, and the idea that someone that reads a few of those manuals can successfully compete with these extraordinarily serious technologists is definitely a “Horatio Alger” fantasy.
Yet Pussycat my dear friend, I have passed on the “Horatio Alger” fantasy to so many in this valley and they do indeed bring in the $250K / year based on my a few O’Reilly books. Got open source?
What scares me more is the few I have given said books to that couldn’t be bothered to read them.
I will boast though that there have been many that worked for me that I kicked out of the womb because even though I could have made a killing keeping them on board, I saw that their talents and life’s work were elsewhere. And they have not let me down. The new 911 replacement buildings has the stamp of one. Kudos to him!
I say let’s develop potential - at any cost!
I seem to be lost. Can you all direct me to the earwax blog?
See yesterday’s bits. You’ll have to go to another site for help with dingle berries and snot bubbles.
Instead of complaining that there is no substance, why don’t provide your own substance? Fish out the salient points of a good news story and provide some analysis or opinion and spark a discussion.
I converted it into the “My Little Pony” pony princess wedding castle blog (read as: absurdity of our material culture blog). Get with the program.
And it was toilet paper. The ear wax was just incidental. (Also known as the: imagine if everyone in the US had access to a basic level of medical care without the threat of absurd levels of debt blog)
What are some good uses for earwax? Have you every made candles??? With earwax?
Pink Pony Princess Wedding Castle Earwax Candles!
I feel a business plan (and some ennui) coming on.
Prediction: There will be revised unemployment numbers by Thursday just like every other time in the last 3 years.
The latest bubble/scam = “Retraining workers”
Here’s how it works….(at least in my area of expertise)
-Open mechanic’s school on shoestring
-Heavily advertise “High-paying careers in aviation”…..”Coming shortage of workers”
-Sign up young, gullible preferably poor kids to $30-50K Federal school loans. Make sure you include borrowing money for room and board, associated expenses.
-When they start classes, bill for everything up front. Pocket the cash.
-After 2-3 months, the kids find out two things….either that they don’t have the smarts/math skills/mechanical aptitude to pass the “General” courses (much less the “A” or “P” courses, or that the FAA will not issue them a license due to prior drug/DUI/etc. convictions….
-Kid drops out of school and goes home. You have pre-billed for an 18-24 month school including expenses, so you walk with cash.
-Federal Government is stuck with the problem of sqeezeing blood from turnips, assuming they can track down the turnips.
Of course, nobody will “see it coming”…….
Hey that’s the private enterprise, privitization that job creators envision for the country. You forgot about the kickback to higher ups so that your school doesn’t get shut down.
Acquaintance of mine juts did a year at Heald College. Took a bunch of loans and then dropped out because of the grade inflation, really dumb students, and the fact that he really wasn’t learning anything.
So now he has no degree and owes some money.
Yep ,I see the “get a career ” school scams cropping up all over .
The scam part is the getting of the money up front .It should be based on how long the person stays in the school . Again a loan scam . But it was no different than all the other extentions of credit that ended up being use to buy products like cars and boats and you name it where everybody was in debt up to their eyeballs with unsustainable debt ,especially based on real income . The wealth effect of easy credit or using fake real estate prices to back equity loans to buy “stuff .”
The insiders quickly figure out the structure of the game and capitalize on it if they are sufficiently amoral. When the SHTF, they shrug and say “No one could have seen it coming.”
On Wednesday morning, the EIA reported a sharp drop in gasoline demand versus a year ago - leading futures to fall to the low of the week. But prices quickly recovered after the fire at the Exxon Baytown refinery.
(More From CNBC: ‘Drunken’ Broker Drove Oil to 8-Month High in 2009: Report)
And then there are pockets of the country where the supply crunch is more pronounced.
The cash market for gasoline - which sets the price for retail gasoline prices that consumers pay - in California soared $1.15 cents in 9 days to $4.24 a gallon on Thursday.
The rapid increase came after a Chevron (CVX) refinery fire and power failure at an Exxon refinery in the state exacerbated the condition of already low gasoline supplies. Retail gasoline prices in California are usually the highest in the nation.
The spike this week “is like something out of the Wild, Wild West,” says OPIS analyst Tom Kloza. The state-wide average in California jumped 17 cents overnight, a 4 percent surge spurred by refinery issues, tight supplies of the state-mandated special blend of gasoline required.
In other states, such as Mississippi, the statewide average is $3.52. Here in New York, gasoline averages at $4.13 per gallon. California tops the list with an average of $4.49 per gallon.
Think how good it feels to tell market manipulators to suck on an egg. That’s what VOLT, Tesla, electric and hybrid drivers get to do. I’ll drop my gas usage another 30-40% when we pick up our VOLT this week and 90% when I pick up my new electric.
Good for you. I have a high regard for people that vote with their dollars versus just sitting around complaining and not changing a thing in their lifestyles.
On a (maybe not so) smilar note, I got a call from a recruiter this morning and she was surprised at what I was earning. I told her my bike commute is four minutes door to door. And being a person of modest expense, I did not require any more to live on than my current compensation. Money wasn’t really important to me versus quality of life. From her delayed response I don’t think that she heard that type of answer too much.
The spike this week “is like something out of the Wild, Wild West,
Just filled up. Dang, shoulda done it yesterday. Gas went up .50 cents overnight. Insane. $4.75 gallon here in the city.
there once was a someone posting here as sfrenter- i wonder if you knew them?
How much does the $0.50 add to a tank? $20? Something like that.
I don’t know. I don’t own a car.
Shouldn’t that be a rounding error for most people? Only the ones in their eyeballs in debt probably care.
No more trips to Home Despot for you!
An 18 gallon tank is pretty hefty (a mid-sized SUV tank). That $0.50 is $9.
2 Lattes
Let’s assume weekly. That’s $36.
We’ll be generous and round it to $50.
If $50 per month is an issue for you, you have no bleedin’ business going into debt for $500K.
At that point, you have serious budget issues.
I’d argue the same for sums up to about $300-500. We can quibble over the long end but the short end seems rather straightforward to me.
I did recently find myself wishing I had bought a Prius. But then I did a little back-of-the-envelope maths: My 320 miles of weekly commuting could be done at about half the gasoline cost, saving me $25/week, or $1300/year.
I’m not telling my lovely wife, but the leg room plus not having to drive a chick car pencils out for me…
Yup those Kaifornication yuppies do not want refinery plants in their back yard…..Isn’t $5 a gallon gas KEWL???
“…Kaifornication yuppies do not want refinery plants in their back yard…”
Gotta drive through Benicia and Martinez, CA.
I would love to get a VOLT. There is a guy on one of the volt blogs who put a 5000w inverter in his trunk with a hookup to his house A/C and he had a solar array feeding it. The cool part was he could run the house on the volt’s battery at night. If the battery got too low at night the volt would automatically start up and charge it up. His cost was about $600 it think.
“The jobs report is prepared under tight security each month by a relatively obscure government agency — the Bureau of Labor Statistics — without any oversight or input from the White House. It is based on data collected by an army of census workers, who interview Americans in 60,000 households by telephone or door-to-door.”
“Economists offered more plausible reasons for skepticism. A big chunk of the increase in employed Americans came from those who had to settle for part-time work: 582,000 more people reported that they were working part-time last month but wanted full-time jobs.”
Army of census workers? 582,000 more people reported that they were working part-time last month? Right LMAO
Fot the next trick they will feed 582,000 part-time workers with one fish. It`s a miracle!
Posted: 6:15 p.m. Friday, Oct. 5, 2012
Steep drop in unemployment rate spawns conspiracy
By CHRISTOPHER S. RUGABER
The Associated Press
WASHINGTON —
Conspiracy theorists came out in force after the government reported a sudden drop in the U.S. unemployment rate one month before Election Day. Their message: The Obama administration would do anything to ensure a November victory, including manipulating unemployment data.
The conspiracy was widely rejected. Officials at the Labor Department said the jobs figures are calculated by highly trained government employees without any political interference. Democrats and even some Republicans said they also found the charges implausible.
Yet that didn’t stop the chatter. The allegations were a measure of how politicized the monthly unemployment report has become near the end of a campaign that has focused on the economy and jobs.
The conspiracy erupted after former General Electric CEO Jack Welch, a Republican, tweeted his skepticism five minutes after the Labor Department announced that the unemployment rate had fallen to 7.8 percent in September from 8.1 percent the month before.
“Unbelievable jobs numbers..these Chicago guys will do anything..can’t debate so change numbers,” Welch tweeted, referring to the site of Obama campaign headquarters.
The drop in unemployment was announced two days after Obama’s lackluster performance in his first debate with Republican challenger Mitt Romney.
Republican Rep. Allen West of Florida soon announced via Facebook that he agreed with Welch.
“Somehow by manipulation of data we are all of a sudden below 8 percent unemployment, a month from the presidential election,” West wrote. “This is Orwellian to say the least.”
The Obama administration wasn’t given much time to gloat about the strong economic improvement. Instead, it had to defend statisticians and economists against accusations made without any supporting evidence.
“No serious person … would make claims like that,” said Alan Krueger, chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers.
The jobs report is prepared under tight security each month by a relatively obscure government agency — the Bureau of Labor Statistics — without any oversight or input from the White House. It is based on data collected by an army of census workers, who interview Americans in 60,000 households by telephone or door-to-door.
Eight days before the unemployment rate is made public, the bureau’s office suite goes into lockdown. Tom Nardone, a 36-year veteran at the agency who oversees preparation of the report, keeps crucial papers in a safe in his office.
A big reason for the security has nothing to do with politics. The data could move financial markets if it were released early.
“These are our best-trained and best-skilled individuals,” Labor Secretary Hilda Solis said on CNBC. She called the claims of manipulation “ludicrous.”
The BLS, the statistical division of the Labor Department, collected and analyzed data and calculated the unemployment rate before Wednesday night’s presidential debate.
Joel Naroff, president of Naroff Economic Advisors, said that it’s “not that unusual” for the rate to move by three-tenths of a percent in one month. It’s happened 12 times in the past 10 years.
“In other words, at least once a year, you should expect that large a move,” he said in an email to clients. It last happened 20 months ago, “so we were overdue. That is just the reality of the data.”
Romney didn’t discredit the government data. But plenty of conservatives did that work for him.
Conn Carroll, an editorial writer at the Washington Examiner, tweeted: “I don’t think BLS cooked numbers. I think a bunch of Dems lied about getting jobs. That would have same effect.”
Rick Manning, communications director of Americans for Limited Government and the former public affairs chief of staff at the Labor Department, said “anyone who takes this unemployment report serious is either naive or a paid Obama campaign adviser.”
Rep. Paul Broun, a Maryland Republican, weighed in with a statement saying the report “raises questions for me, and frankly it should be raising eyebrows for people across the country.”
Economists offered more plausible reasons for skepticism. A big chunk of the increase in employed Americans came from those who had to settle for part-time work: 582,000 more people reported that they were working part-time last month but wanted full-time jobs.
Conspiracy theories are nothing new for Obama. He has been dogged by discredited claims that he wasn’t born in this country and that he is Muslim.
“Stop with the dumb conspiracy theories. Good grief,” Tony Fratto, who worked for President George W. Bush, weighed in on Twitter.
It wasn’t just the political elite commenting. Angelia Levy, a researcher at the Federal Judicial Center, the research arm of the federal judiciary, told her 588 Twitter followers that Welch’s comments were “unbelievable.”
“All of the sudden they’re questioning this data that’s been reported for decades,” the Democrat said in a phone interview. “It’s so hypocritical and ridiculous.”
Justin Wolfers, a professor of business and public policy at the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School and research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research, went on Twitter to say Welch “just labeled himself an idiot.”
In a follow-up phone call, Wolfers said the economists who calculate the monthly jobs report “are nerds who spend their lives crunching numbers for the public service. To impute their integrity is outrageous.”
The agency has been in the political glare before.
In 1971, President Nixon took aim at it after a top official, Howard Goldstein, publicly attributed a steep drop in unemployment to largely technical factors. The administration reorganized the agency and installed several officials in newly created positions. That led to charges from Democrats that the Republican administration was politicizing the bureau.
Welch said later in the day in a Fox News interview: “I don’t know what the right number is, but I’ll tell you, these numbers don’t smell right when you think about where the economy is right now.”
Tonight’s IEM 2012 US Presidential Election Winner Takes All Market Price Graph suggests that the unemployment rate data release erased about 1/3 of Romney’s post-debate price gain. The bounce in Obama’s favor also shows up in the 2012 US Presidential Election Vote Share Market graph.
The implied Vote Share Market odds against Romney are currently about 11:9 — the highest of the month so far:
Date Contract Units $Volume LowPrice HighPrice AvgPrice LastPrice
10/01/12 UDEM12_VS 210 113.810 0.538 0.548 0.542 0.539
10/01/12 UREP12_VS 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.452
10/02/12 UDEM12_VS 4 2.172 0.539 0.547 0.543 0.539
10/02/12 UREP12_VS 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.452
10/03/12 UDEM12_VS 60 32.038 0.530 0.547 0.534 0.530
10/03/12 UREP12_VS 283 134.624 0.465 0.487 0.476 0.475
10/04/12 UDEM12_VS 51 27.274 0.530 0.546 0.535 0.544
10/04/12 UREP12_VS 36 16.895 0.465 0.480 0.469 0.470
10/05/12 UDEM12_VS 363 199.399 0.544 0.550 0.549 0.550
10/05/12 UREP12_VS 310 142.420 0.451 0.465 0.459 0.451