This summer, we looked at whether the much-ballyhooed “shadow inventory” of potential foreclosures would materialize.
New data from researchers at the New York Federal Reserve Bank provide some valuable insights. Their answer shows that bank-owned foreclosures are set to rise in the Northeast, particularly in New York and New Jersey.
Of course, the supply of bank-owned foreclosures depends largely on how quickly banks move loans that are already in foreclosure through the repossession process.
Researchers looked at three different scenarios for how long that will take. Right now, foreclosures take around two years on average, though that varies heavily by state, and that is up from around one year at the end of 2008.
The first scenario examines what happens to the supply of bank-owned inventory if foreclosure timelines lengthen at their current pace. The second looks at what would happen if timelines stabilize, while the third looks at what would happen if banks and courts quickly accelerated foreclosures.
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So I’ve been reading the blog from Japan the last 2 weeks. The ads are all Japanese stuff. I was amused to see an ad for realestate.co.jp and the headline for the ad was “Invest in Real Estate, High Returns, Low Risk!” Just gotta love it! By the way, thanks for keeping it entertaining, I’ve been babysitting for the grandson and the blog is my main grown up fun. Oops, gotta run, missing Kung Fu Panda, again!
It’s still kind of hard to believe that we can so readily get the same instantaneous info from “far away”. It wasn’t all that long ago I paid $127 USD for a thirty-minute telephone call to New Zealand.
Looking forward to hearing your impressions of how the country is coming out of the Long Decade– or is it?
I must clarify that I’m in Okinawa, not Tokyo. Big difference. However, I do notice that stuff here is about 50% more than in the states. The people here are the most polite I’ve ever encountered (although I’m not well traveled). It’s like they understand the value of tourism more than the USA does. I don’t see any new housing, just housing that is packed together to the point that one begins to appreciate zero lot lines (zero lot lines being more spacious!). The architecture is not beautiful and there’s no landscaping, but the natural areas (parks, beaches) are beautiful. They have dive shops all over the place. Supposed to be one of the top spots for snorkel and diving in the world, although I haven’t gone (the shame!). The other thing is that if we ever decided to remove our 6-7 military bases here, it would devastate the economy enormously! I’m pretty sure that’s their main economic driver as they charge obscenely high rent to the enlisted (basically, they charge whatever the limit is for your rank). I really believe that the military has huge room to cut spending, just with what they overpay for on a regular basis. I know that’s not a news flash and nobody seems interested in correcting that. Sorry for the long post ahansen, but I got alot of time on my hands!
Lemming, I just got back from Osaka this morning and I agree that the people are great; very helpful. It is quite expensive, especially for transportation (taxis!) and lodging. Food, though, I found quite resonable and fantastic quality, for the most part.
oh also, regarding the communications with the states, we use skype or magic jack and it’s free to talk all i want. It’s crazy how far we’ve come and I’m not even up to date with technology!
I’ve been hammering on judicial/non-judicial states, and non-judicial states that begin to look judicial based on laws passed to slow things down.
I’ve also noted that if any of the judicial states allow foreclosures to happen faster, prices will get crushed.
My poster child for the third category is Nevada.
Well, I heard a pretty well-founded rumor yesterday that the wheels are in motion behind the scenes to repeal the law that turned Nevada quasi-judicial in the end of 2011. If the rumor is right, the repeal will happen next year.
If the law is repealed, there will be more distress hitting the market faster, and my guess would be that values are negatively impacted.
Interesting to see that Colorado is near the bottom of the list based on percentages. Compared with Florida I can see why Unknown Tennant is bent out of shape.
Value? The only value is the space inside the structure and the ground for growing, not unlike a wheel or jug. A wheel without a hole for an axle is worthless, and because the jug is hollowed out it is the space within that makes it valuable.
During the bubble it was beyond belief what blue sky value was added to the purchase price, and it still is! The big bad wolf has huffed and puffed and blown away the financial house of straw; now the wolf is working on the shored up financial house of wood. Now is the time to shore up your assets in a house of brick.
The “value” of a house should never be monetary. It should be shelter value, for your given value of shelter. It’s a nice upholstered cave.
Treating it as having monetary value is a path to disaster.
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Comment by scdave
2012-10-07 09:19:02
Treating it as having monetary value is a path to disaster ??
Well, I would somewhat disagree….If you were 30 and bought a house in Nashville for lets say, $100,000. and borrowed $90,000. on a 30 year mortgage, if you stayed there until 60, you would own the house free and clear…I would say that has “Monetary Value” simular to a savings account because if you sold it you would receive whatever value in terms of cash that the house has…
Now, if the statement is framed as saying that buying and paying off a personal residence as a way to create Wealth, I would agree that it may be a path to disaster as millions have recently found out….
“The “value” of a house should never be monetary.”
+1 In other words, intrinsic value.
Comment by ahansen
2012-10-07 13:57:43
The problem is that when you sell the house you have to secure other shelter. (Have you priced “senior living” these days?) The older one gets, the less inclined one is to leave one’s familiar surroundings, and assisted living expenses will soon eat up any appreciation realized from the sale of the house. Moreover, if you’ve had to HELOC it for medical expenses before that, you’re skewered.
So there you are.
Comment by Romney's Lies
2012-10-07 14:35:35
“Moreover, if you’ve had to HELOC it for medical expenses before that, you’re skewered.”
Unless you’re livin’ large like Mitt Romney, you’re already skewered. Every one of my grandparents ended up broke late in life due to medical expenses, and ended up in a nursing home awaiting death. We need more tax cuts for the wealthy.
By that reasoning we would have no commodities market at all. A wheat seed is worthless without water and land etc, but the seed still has worth. Crude oil straight out of the ground can’t be used for much, yet we put in a little effort into separating it into components, because the sum of the parts is worth more than the whole.
A wheel without a hole is worth the price of a wheel minus the price of drilling a hole. So people will still buy holeless wheels with the intent of drilling a hole. Possibly even a custom hole for buyers willing to pay.
The same concept applies to houses and land and pretty much anything.
“A wheel without a hole is worth the price of a wheel minus the price of drilling a hole. So people will still buy holeless wheels with the intent of drilling a hole. Possibly even a custom hole for buyers willing to pay.”
Oxide you missed the whole point. Until someone drilled that hole the wheel had no value. It is the EMPTY space,that void, that makes somethings valuable.It is the empty space within the house framework that makes it valuable. Once the house is constructed the amount of space does not change. It has a base value for that space and anything beyond that is shear folly.Somebody somewhere is always willing to pay more as illustrated during the bubble but those prices were never inline with the base value of the house as time has always shown.Want to buy a lot in Bodie, CA? Everything like your commodities (consumables) will always have value, that is a given, but let us take your grain of wheat, is the the grain that has most of the value or is it the final product of the grain that has value. If the grain rotted, value lost; not water, value lost; contaminated, value lost; bug infestation, value lost; act of nature, value lost; supply of product at market place, value lost.
People say ALL THE TIME that gold is a “store of value”. However, gold generally has little utility, so would you say that Gold has no value, only price?
The utility of the stuff - and it its utility that determines its fundamental value (that along with its availability or its scarcity) - remains about the same over time but it’s price varies widely.
So why is that? Why does the price vary so widely? Perception, maybe? The perception that Price equals Value?
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Comment by AmazingRuss
2012-10-07 10:29:27
Fear of what’s happening to the value of paper money.
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-10-07 10:43:29
Gold price is stationary. Fiat money is losing value relative to gold. It is the “relative” part that makes it an illusion that gold price per ounce is going up.
Comment by Combotechie
2012-10-07 10:50:10
“Gold price is stationary.”
Weren’t you one of the guys here that told us of how one could have bought gold just a few years ago for four-hundred dollars or so? How stationary of a price is that?
Comment by Combotechie
2012-10-07 11:18:38
“Fear of what’s happening to the value of paper money.”
Compared to a few years ago the value of paper money has increased.
A few years ago a strawberry picker could sign a paper and - presto! - he would get six-hundred dollars plopped into an account that had his name on it - something he could use to buy a six-hundred thousand dollar house. Then he could begin to cash out equity from this house and - presto! - more cash would be given to him. In those days the value of paper money was low because it was so easy to get.
But now? Check out the number of payday loan stores that are popping up everywhere, or the “We BUY GOLD” ads on the TV.
Cash sucks when there is too much of the stuff but it rules when there isn’t enough.
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-10-07 13:04:22
Combo, the dollar lost a lot of value relative to gold. One ounce of gold in 1905 could buy you a high quality men’s suit. Same thing in 2012. As for the last twelve years, the dollar lost the value it should have lost in the 1980s and 1990s. Again, it takes more cheaper dollars to buy that gold ounce. The price of gold relative to a Hard currency is probably stable.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-07 13:17:09
“The price of gold relative to a Hard currency is probably stable.”
By definition, no?
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2012-10-07 17:22:20
Gold and silver are basically alternative currencies. The Monetary policy capitalists such as Milton and Rose Friedman had a great theory that Monetary policy works well. Yet the problem is the leadership of the Fed exploit it to the degree we have had seen, decades of a credit bubble. I know of no nation that is following the Friedman approach. In democracies, particularly in the advanced stage most are in today, mobocracy, it is impossible. It is a case for anyone to put their own household on the gold standard.
Most people, especially the under 50 set, do not have much cash in their net worth. They have stock funds in their 401ks, real estate, cars, and perhaps precious metals, a little cash, and some treasuries. So they can go 100% on a gold and silver standard by simply exchanging most of their cash for bullion.
If I need to buy a big ticket item I sell some stocks and sometimes, like a couple years ago, sell some precious metals.
“The price of gold relative to hard currency is stable” - If we assume only gold is hard currency, then by definition. I was thinking at least relative to silver, platinum, palladium. I haven’t checked the volatility. In the abstract sense, gold is probably stable priced in a durable good whose utility transcends time!
I hope you are right. Just a thought, maybe the judicial/non-judicial issue is squeezing the tooth paste from the wrong end? If I changed the rules to forced the banks to take an immediate write down (say 90%) of any foreclosed real-estate held for longer than 180 days it should drive prices down quick. Yes I know that’s below ‘fair-value’ but that’s the point, just cut off the other end of the tube!
Nevada is also a recourse state. So in your opinion if they pass this and become non-judicial again will they be able to clear as quickly as California which is a non-recourse / non-judicial state?
Anecdotally I know of people in Nevada that are underwater and would like to walk away (strategic default) but won’t because the bank may take recourse and go after their other assets.
Maryland is a recourse state and nothing has happenned there. Prices are still high and have room to drop by 70% more. I’m talking more around the DC area.
DC area prices are insane. I work in DC now (Jenner & Block) but live in Baltimore city… the contrast in housing prices is absurd. I’m less surprised about Bethesda, Chevy Chase, Potomac, Great Falls than I am about very marginal or lower-end places. Less desirable towns primarily populated by mid-level workers with a high % of 1-income households. Prince George’s County in particular seems primed to fall apart.
Oxide is somewhat illustrative of my point about DC area prices in marginal areas. From what I’ve gathered from her posts, her house is similar to mine but mine has a finished basement, is in better condition + has a 2 car garage (detached). Yet I paid 150k and I believe she paid a great deal more than this. She also earns less money and has a 1-income household. If the federal government ever shuts off the money spigot, she’s f***ed.
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Comment by Martin
2012-10-07 07:07:10
The fiscal cliff will never happen. In my experience in the past 4-5 years it is just a media news story. WH and congress will come up with something to kick the can down the road.
I’m not sure why they always try to axe Fed jobs. There is so much wastage in contractor jobs and other misc. expenses, why don’t they cut the fat there. Should the Fed Govt. be paying $300 per hour for some stupid IT job? And this has been going on for the past 10 years. Many IT contractors have become rich on 1099. I thought Obama would bring sanity to this mess, but looks like it doubled in his tenure.
This is a major reason DC area has so many jobs and RE doesn’t do down. It is not the Fed employees but the rich contractors. Would this nonsense ever end? I think they should bring down the hourly rate to not more than $100 per hour. That will fix many things in DC area.
Comment by vinceinwaukesha
2012-10-07 08:05:49
“I’m not sure why they always try to axe Fed jobs.”
Retirement benefits. Looking multi-generationally, .gov benefits used to be “eh” but as we’ve destroyed the middle class, the .gov benefits have stayed more or less the same and everyone elses benefits have collapsed, leading to “pseudo-class warfare”. I will probably never have a pension, and I’m supposed to feel much better about that if I can take away my kids teachers pension, or at least thats what I’m told over and over.
Teaching. A “meh” job with “meh” benefits that hasn’t changed much (financially, anyway) in decades, unlike everything else. The student’s parents have gone from “tool and die maker with gold watch pension” who make three times as much as the teacher to “welcome to walmart” who make less than a quarter as much as the teacher, therefore “the problem” is the teachers and they must be dragged down to a lower level. God forbid we’d think the problem is the destruction of the middle class and try to fix that side of the equation… that might cut into 1%er revenue, both R and D agree that is badthink best pretend this possibility doesn’t exist.
For good laugh look at doublethink of your average rabble rousing politician:
“Education is very important now that our middle class jobs have been outsourced and “free traded” away, to prepare our kids for lifetime careers of un and underemployment, we all agree making our teachers poorer will make the kids smarter so they’ll be better able to compete for the jobs that do not exist.”
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-07 08:48:54
“This is a major reason DC area has so many jobs and RE doesn’t do down. It is not the Fed employees but the rich contractors. Would this nonsense ever end?”
Contractors are private, and the private sector always does it better, because ‘they built it’ (their businesses).
Don’t take my word for it — just ask any partisan Republican.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-07 08:52:57
“pseudo-class warfare”. I will probably never have a pension, and I’m supposed to feel much better about that if I can take away my kids teachers pension, or at least thats what I’m told over and over.
It’s “pseudo-class warfare” among the 99% which will serve to further enrich the 1%, whose multi-million dollar severance packages ensure they won’t ever go hungry in old age, and who have gradually been released since the onset of the ‘401(K) revolution’ from any responsibility to fund old-age insurance for those who are less fortunate.
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-10-07 09:09:03
You seem to be obsessed with the teacher’s unions and how they have less than average earnings and incomes, which is not true.
There is no “conspiracy” to target teachers.
You identified the problem: The loss of incomes amongst most of the working masses.
So here is the simple question:
Why should Market-based workers take losses in incomes (the people who PAY the taxes to support government employees) while government employees get “cost of living increases, and guaranteed pension benefits, while the benefits of the taxpayers have collapsed??
If everyone else’s incomes are falling, it is only reasonable to expect Austerity for the government workers too, isn’t it?
Well, I guess if you work for a government agency, you would say “no”, but I think it’s more than reasonable.
I think this is the entire issue with the Euro Zone. People have been made promises by “government” and expect to be paid, even though the “payers” have been taxed to death (understanding that Greeks and Italians really don’t pay taxes, i.e. tax-avoidance).
Comment by Red Heifer
2012-10-07 10:01:13
If the federal government ever shuts off the money spigot, she’s f***ed.
So are you and all of us. Austerity will happen one way or another. All of us will pay prices, more so if you live in DC, NYC and SF.
Comment by joesmith
2012-10-07 14:06:18
Not everyone is f***ed to the same extent. My mortgage is 100k less (if not more), we’re a 2 income couple, we’re significantly younger, and we don’t live around people who work in DC or for government. We also chose to live near family and near my wife’s work so there are a few less variables going on. My job is regulatory in nature (private sector side), for major corporations. Fairly recession proof-even if they’re going bankrupt and getting bailed out, big banks and fortune 100 companies need to pay their lawyers Thank you, taxpayers.
It is only recourse of the loan documents specify that the debt is recourse.
In some states, it is illegal for certain kinds of loans to be recourse. In the states where it is legal, there MAY be more recourse, but it is not required.
I believe I am accurate on this but please research for yourself to be sure….
In california, a “purchase money loan” on one to four residential units is non-recourse…If, you refinance, that new loan would become a “recourse” loan because it was not a “purchase money loan”…Thats why they have a 3-day waiting period after you sign off on a refinance to close the loan…
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Comment by Rental Watch
2012-10-07 10:15:50
I don’t think they are automatically recourse (it depends on the loan documents).
Why do I say this?
Because on the commercial side of things, any loan can be recourse (even money purchase loans), but not all are.
Obama’s November Surprise : The Federal Housing Administration is running out of money
National Review | 10/04/2012 | Dam Murphy
With the presidential race entering the homestretch, most of the political world is wondering: Will there be an “October surprise”? But this year the real surprise may come in November, when the American people learn about the need for a taxpayer-funded bailout of the Federal Housing Administration (FHA).
The FHA guarantees mortgages on loans made by FHA-approved lenders throughout the United States and insures mortgages on single-family homes. Traditionally, it has participated in a fairly small segment of the overall mortgage market. In 2006, the FHA’s market share was just 5 percent. But as credit availability tightened and underwriting standards became more exacting, the FHA’s share of the market exploded to 30 percent of all new mortgage loans. Why is this significant to taxpayers? Unlike the case with conventional loans, when an FHA borrower defaults on his mortgage, the American taxpayers have insured 100 percent of the value of the loan and will be forced to cover any losses on it.
The FHA’s increased market share has not been a good thing for taxpayers. One-sixth of all FHA loans were delinquent as of August 2012. This translates to over 1.2 million borrowers who have missed at least one payment. Even more ominously, 58 percent of the delinquent loans were “seriously delinquent,” which means that almost 10 percent of all FHA borrowers had missed three consecutive months of payments or are now in foreclosure.
These and other facts undermine reports that the housing market has finally turned a corner. Claims on defaulted single-family loans have been steadily rising over the past four quarters. What’s more, the FHA’s insurance fund paid $5.3 billion in claims in the third quarter of fiscal year 2012. As a result, the FHA’s cash flow has turned negative. Remember, you, the taxpayers, are ultimately the FHA’s insurance fund. You paid out $5.3 billion in claims this quarter, and you now have a negative cash flow. You and your housing fund are broke, and no one even bothered to tell you.
According to an estimate from the American Enterprise Institute, the FHA’s capital shortfall is $46 billion to $65 billion under its legally mandated 2 percent minimum capital requirements. Without a cash infusion, it will not be able to pay future claims as they come due. Consequently, the FHA will have to go hat in hand to Congress and ultimately the American taxpayers.
If Dem also do what Repub do as a party as we saw in Obama’s 1st term, I think we as a country are screwed. What choice do the citizens really have? I don’t see how the parties differentaite at this point. Especially after the first debate where Obama agreed to most of Romneys stuff on economy and Soc Sec.
Are we really doomed as a country as we have sold our souls to the people who have information and are connected to the powerful.
Do you expect your political parties to be polar opposites? I don’t. In the areas you mention, the “big” issues, I would expect there to be some basic agreement. There may be some disagreement about how to “fix” whatever problems may be foreseen ( I think both parties underestimate them).
But I see very different approaches to “policy issues”. I view the Democrats as social engineers, coming up with all kinds of programs and ideologies to “herd” people to the way they think you and I should live, including the appointment of Federal, and local Judges.
The courts have been way too busy dictating “social plans”, such as court-ordered “busing” to provide “integration” in public schools.
Public Housing, Public feeding, Free medical Care, Retirement programs, Education “goals”, mostly concerning “closing the gap” between racial groups, all these things are “social engineering”.
Democrats view this as the PURPOSE of Government. I don’t. I want as little government interference in my life and my neighbors as possible. REpublicans are more typically inclined to NOT provide massive programs for restructuring society based on someone’s ideology of how supposedly free people should be living.
WE saw under Bush, a propensity to “Get along” and agree to Free Pills for Old folks, Endless spending for Stupid kids who can’t perform average school work, and lots of deficit spending (keeping in mind the Democrats controlled the Congress, and Bush was not one for conflict. He wanted to be “liked”).
In terms of Judicial Appointments, look at the Court: Ginsberg, Sotomayer,and fellow kooksters.
If you like government-mandated social engineering, then Democrats are for you.
If you think you would like less “intrusion”, then the R’s may be closer to your way of thinking, though we seen many disappointments lately.
Dear Diogenes, you say that you are against social engineering but what you suggest is itself an “engineering” for social group that is strong and healthy, “smart” star wars and grub the wealth out of it… and who is weak or disable we can approach them like it was done in 1930s and 40s in Germany, just build privet concentration camps and get profit. In some way people in our country already live in a camp owned by 1% of population…
Suddenly in California oil prices jump to $5 gallon, when everywhere else is less than $4… this is the result of” engineering” by the “smart” free market guys… there are a lot of “engineers” in Republican paty who “engineer” in Wall Street and other part of FREE Market like Mr. Medoff and many more like him, I don’t know why Founding fathers decided to create government, they should have been created concentration camps…
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-07 08:56:30
“Surprise: The Federal Housing Administration is running out of money”
This news must be about as surprising as when Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac blew up in September 2008. Never mind that a cottage industry had sprung up years earlier in academic finance describing the reasons the GSE business model was doomed.
Good article on all the new taxes coming in a few months.
Talk about a time bomb about ready to go off.
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Housing and the Three Waves of the Tax Tsunami – The Biggest Increase in Taxes in American History
Confounded Interest | 09/23/2012
There has been numerous headwinds to a housing (and commercial real estate) recovery. One is doggedly slow economic growth. Another is doggedly high unemployment rates. But there is another headwind that is not talked about for housing and real estate in general: taxmageddon or the upcoming single largest tax increase in American history.
Simply put, housing consumption will be reduced in Federal taxes increase. But this is occurring just as housing is beginning to stabilize in many parts of the country. This will put downward pressure on home prices and new construction.
First Wave of Tax Tsunami: Expiration of 2001 and 2003 Tax Relief
Personal income tax rates will rise on January 1, 2013. The top income tax rate will rise from 35 to 39.6 percent (this is also the rate at which the majority of small business profits are taxed). The lowest rate will rise from 10 to 15 percent. All the rates in between will also rise. Itemized deductions and personal exemptions will again phase out, which has the same mathematical effect as higher marginal tax rates. The full list of marginal rate hikes is below:
-The 10% bracket rises to a new and expanded 15%
-The 25% bracket rises to 28%
-The 28% bracket rises to 31%
-The 33% bracket rises to 36%
-The 35% bracket rises to 39.6%
Second Wave of Tax Tsunami: Obamacare Tax Hikes
There are twenty new or higher taxes in Obamacare. Some have already gone into effect (the tanning tax, the medicine cabinet tax, the HSA withdrawal tax, W-2 health insurance reporting, and the “economic substance doctrine”). Several more will go into effect on January 1, 2013. They include:
Third Wave of Tax Tsunami: The Alternative Minimum Tax and Employer Tax Hikes
When Americans prepare to file their tax returns in January of 2013, they’ll be in for a nasty surprise—the AMT won’t be held harmless, and many tax relief provisions will have expired. These tax increases will be in force for BOTH 2012 and 2013. The major items include:
The AMT will ensnare over 31 million families, up from 4 million last year. According to the left-leaning Tax Policy Center, Congress’ failure to index the AMT will lead to an explosion of AMT taxpaying families—rising from 4 million last year to 31 million. These families will have to calculate their tax burdens twice, and pay taxes at the higher level. The AMT was created in 1969 to ensnare a handful of taxpayers.
Between the expiration of the Bush tax cuts and the implementation of Obamacare taxes, American households will have LESS to spend on consumption and savings, and that includes housing. We can safely say that housing consumption will not increase when this tsunami hits.
The AMT got me this year for the first time; in fact (to keep in on topic) because I bought a home. The RE taxes and MID pushed my deductions too high, and the AMT kicked in and leveled me back out.
Frankly, if I had a magic wand, I’d probably eliminate most of the legacy tax code and just leave the AMT (obviously with lower limits). It’s much easier to understand and deal with. Not too happy that I’m paying more tax (and REALLY unhappy that there are 2 systems, so I get to pay more for my preparation because my accountant does the same thing twice), but the AMT system seems more “reasonable” to me.
The good news, for those of us on this blog who think that the MID is terribly counterproductive (like me), encouraging people to borrow more and save less (saving taxed at normal income rates, borrowing deductible, WTF??), the AMT will eventually, if not indexed, make the MID disappear for most folks.
When the AMT gets me that would mean I no longer get an advantage in municipal bonds. That would then make me get a tax advantage in some other investment. If they get rid of my biggest tax break my whole career will change. I might join the 47%.
2Banana, you mean “when Americans prepare to file their tax returns for tax year 2013.” in January I am preparing (starting to gather tax forms from brokers, mutual fund families, my employer) for fiscal tax year 2012.
20% long term capital gains are stolen by the thugernment in 2014, not stolen in 2013.
OT: I happened across the following about a month ago, and find myself returning to it rather frequently. Affecting to say the least. Thought that several people here might like to see it as well:
If Dem also do what Repub do as a party as we saw in Obama’s 1st term, I think we as a country are screwed. What choice do the citizens really have? I don’t see how the parties differentaite at this point. Especially after the forst debate where Obama agreed to most of ROmneys stuff on economy and Soc Sec.
Are we really doomed as a country as we have sold our souls to the people who have information and are connected to the powerful.
Don’t throw away your vote on a D or R, vote 3rd party
Aside from PR, neither D nor R candidate appeals to me. From a PR standpoint neither candidate is saying anything to interest me. Obama’s going to win all the electoral votes in my state anyway by quite a few points. I’m not voting for Obama (fool me once,… fool me twice …) and I have absolutely no motivation to “reward” Rmoney by voting against my religious beliefs and economic interests and rational expectations of Rmoney’s policies based on past results. Only good can result if I vote Gary Johnson, so I will.
“we have sold our souls to the people who have …”
… almost all the money and all of the power. Just on that simple single line statement I can’t vote D or R and strongly encourage others not to.
You “philosophy” is compelling, but I think Misguided. You only have 2 choices. The Incumbent, or the Challenger. If you choose not to vote, you have not supported the Challenger, ergo, you accept the “status quo”.
A vote for Romney is a vote AGAINST Obama.
If you don’t like Obama, you should vote him out and give someone else a shot.
Elsewise, you get 4 more years of what you just had. Romney is a gamble, just like the promise of “hope and change”. Didn’t get it. Want more?
NO, thank you, I think not.
I don’t like Romney all that much, and Support Ron Paul. However, at this stage of the election, a vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama.
Don’t understand your logic at all. Maybe rephrase?
All the electoral votes for my state are going to “O” so there is no point in throwing my vote away on someone I oppose on most all issues, like Romney. Also I oppose Obama so I’m not throwing my vote away on him. Neither represents my socioeconomic culture/strata, neither is religiously tolerant nor represents my own religious views. The issues that interest me do not interest them At All. There’s no motivation for me to vote for either of them. From past experience it doesn’t matter which wins. Bush the 3rd or Carter the 2nd, doesn’t matter to me, they both are awful selections. I lived thru bush 1 and bush 2, I’m sure I’ll survive bush 3 aka gordon gekko incarnate. I lived thru carter 1st, carter 2nd complete with stagflation can be lived thru.
Shockingly I do happen to like most of what Gary Johnson stands for. He’s getting my meaningless vote. Its not like his platform is a secret. Any D or R strategist can trivially figure out how to gain my vote… if they want it. If they don’t, thats OK too. I’m not living under a government that represents me now, I’m sure living under an unrepresentative govt in the future will be about the same … not great, but “OK enough”.
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Comment by Diogenes (Tampa,Fl)
2012-10-07 20:40:52
Since ALL of the electoral votes in your State are going to the winning Candidate, you assume it to be Obama, and therefore, there is no need to vote.
I disagree. If everyone thinks like you, then that is what will happen. If enough people in your State are dissatisfied with Obama, you can get him OUT of Office by voting for Romney.
You Can’t get him out by voting for a 3rd party.
You will guarantee that Obama will win. 3rd parties kill the Challenger by diluting their votes.
You have 2 choices. Vote Romney or Re-elect Obama.
Any other vote is a vote for Obama.
If you listen to Mitt long enough, he’ll say something that appeals to you. However, if you keep listening, he’ll say something to negate that, to appeal to somebody else. He’s fickle that way.
We’re not doomed, Martin, we’re simply evolving. What worked in the sparsely-populated agrarian seventeenth century needs tweaking to translate to a technologically oriented twenty-first — and our system allows for that.
A fully-rightest, or fully-leftist political agenda would result in civil war, hence the stasis towards center. All we can do is influence the issues. And as the $ooperPACs are discovering, money isn’t everything….
Would the RE bubble around the world ever deflate? I don’t see them bursting in China, Canada, Australia, India, Singapore, HK and the list goes on and on.
Would annother 4 years of Obama promote their bubbles further and also try to reinflate ours here.
Very depressing as reality never comes to picture and we’ll have to deal with 4 more years of nonsense prices. World prices affect me because I hate to see people in Asia and India who just buy and wake up after a month to see there property has increased by 20%. Most people are using loans and Governments are using printed money to keep it up.
I also want easy money unlike others around the world. Indians got a 14% average pay raise this year. I haven’t seen a single dollar go up in my salry in the past 6 years. Has USA really lost it? We have inflation too.
Sadly, every single pay raise I’ve had over the past 7 years (except for basic COLA) has come from, in some way, getting leverage over my employer. Be it some specific knowledge; market visiblity, or the ability and willingness to leave and take a huge swath of the company with me; every single big raise has been with a gun pointed at my employer’s head. Not exactly how I’d prefer to do business, but, also, IMHO, kind of the new “way of the world” in business. Make sure you have some talent/skill or group of people that you can influence to leverage your way into higher salary brackets. Never, and I mean NEVER, has my employer come to me and said “You’re doing a great job, we’re going to give you a 30% pay bump”. I frankly, at least in big business, kind of think those days are over. It’s down to “show how much money you can make us. Then threaten to take that revenue stream away and we’ll talk”.
In so many words, “Yes”. However, not in the most extreme sense of the word (like getting pictures of my boss with his secretary), more in line with the “if you don’t do XYZ, I’m going to leave, and I’m going to take ABC with me which accounts for $$$ in business”. It’s more “make them see the business value in keeping you” than it is just standard extortion.
That said, having been through it several times, I will say, it feels like blackmail. I sincerely wish they would come to me and say “You’ve got 5 people on your team, and cost us 1M dollars a year in salary; we make 10M in revenue and 5M in profit and would like to see what we can do to try to scale this business and make sure you guys are happy”. Unfortunately, seems that’s counter to the profit motive in business, I’m sure if they could figure out a way to do it without us, they would fire us all in a heartbeat. Thankfully, this field if very small and there’s no way to get another “ready built” team without poaching from a competitor, and, as I’m sure I would, a bidding war would break out between current and new employer.
I really think the most important thing today is to have a direct line between revenue and your job. “My job produces X dollars in revenue/profit and costs you Y”. The more “abstract” that relationship becomes, the more difficult it is to justify your salary. Hence, the generally terrible pay in HR departments, and, on the other hand, the totally outlandish pay in some sales organizations (we have a few sales reps that are well over 1M per year). The closer your link to revenue, the easier it is to leverage your position for salary/benefits/etc.
Btw, I was looking at the B-School prfessor salaries available online.
Looks like most of them tripled their salaries in the past 6-8 years. Fresh PhD students in FInance, Management etc. are getting starting salaries of $220K average for 9 months. Just mind boggling. These professors are comparing themselves to the the Industry top people. On the same hand, the teachers get crushed in schools.
This higher education seems to be in a massive bubble. Most of these profs feel so insecure that they apply for tenure and then can never get fired for life. What a cartel.
To me housing bubbles finish in one of two ways. The first is the burst, the second (and I think the preferred solution, at least for the powers that be) is they stagnant and over time inflation brings the cost of housing down.
The video, which went viral in Greece last month, shows about 40 burly men, led by Giorgos Germenis, a politician with the right-wing Golden Dawn party, marching through a night market in the town of Rafina demanding that dark-skinned merchants show permits.
Some do, and they are left alone. But the action quickly picks up as the men, wearing black T-shirts with the party’s name, destroy a stall with clubs and scatter the merchandise.
”We saw a few illegal immigrants selling their wares,” Germenis says in the video. ”We did what Golden Dawn has to do. And now we’re going to church to pay our respects to the Madonna.”
While I believe that Government has just become the pawn of BIG BUSINESS ,they are the ones that are taking your freedoms and powers and the price fixing monopolies and Bankers /Wall Street
,and Globalism . We are no longer a Country in which the
Constitution that is to protect the individual is applied ,and it’s more a Country in which the Money Power are calling the shots .
We don’t even have business borders anymore . Who ever got the idea that outsourcing and outmanufacturing our jobs with faulty
trade balances and tariffs and money flows going all over the world would float the boat of USA .
Its not a workable system for the worker in America because they
are losing their protections ,and the next step is for them to lose
their entitlements and wage wealth and buying power .Its not going to even get enough tax revenue .
The idea that the problem is that BIG GOVERNMENT wants a welfare STATE isn’t the problem . The problem is that the USA was job gutted and we do not have enough revenue to run the show anymore .So ,the rich and powerful want to choose the winners and losers and the losers are the people ,not them .
Everybody knows that one of my big premises is that we have been taken over by a big huge monster called the Miltary/Industrial Complex which includes the Banks and Wall Street and the elite . The Politicians are making decision that serve their needs and profit margins and Globalism is their playground ,
The problem is that if those entities are the” Masters” to this degree , Main street America is left in the dust and more welfare is needed rather than less and unemployment and low paying jobs and less benefits reduce the cash flow and revenue in this Country .
In addition, if prices are based on price fixing monopolies,or bubbles created ,or Fed policies , outsourcing rather than on wages/benefits of the majority population,than the Majority population is just reduced to being at the mercy of these forces . Suggestions of Austerity and giving up as well as reduction of share given by these powerful Entities is designed to serve the Miltary/Global Industrial complex ,not the majority population . This is the main factor that is taking away the freedoms and mobility of people because it becomes a stacked and rigged deck ,rather than a concept of Big Government
verses little Government being the culprit . The mindset of these Powerful forces is that Government is to serve them and if big goverment increases their profit margins in terms of Government paying for expenses that benefits them ,than fine ,just don’t ask more of them .
A example : Private medical Insurance Companies didn’t want to
give insurance to older people at a reasonable rate ,so Government had to step in and create Medicare at the expense of Government . This allowed the profit takers to increase their profits by putting the higher claim potentials on the Government ,while they took the gravy
while they increasingly started to get rid of people with pre-existing conditions . So ,this is a perfect example of how Insurance Companies
put risk on the Government while they just wanted the greater
profits .So Medicare was a loss supplement to the Insurance Companies so they had more profit .Big Pharma grew as a result of the cash cow of Medicare , and insurance profits went higher .
Another example is all the Government programs that stimulate business ,but Government ends of with the ill effects of that stimulus
and mal-investment . Government bails out the folly of the greedy
Bankers and Wall Street and their stupid Ponzi schemes and casino games based on a notion that the TBTF would fail ,and we can’t have that .But we have TBTF powerful Corporations these days ,not only Banks and Investment firms . So Government is used as a vehicle for malinvestment ,or socialize the losses in whatever form that takes .
Its clear those entities and business Government wants to shore up and we forget how much money has gone to off set loss ,and how much Justice was denied and law changed or adjusted to bail out the Culprits . Millions of bad paper was dumped on Freddie and Fannie
and our whole economy was contorted by money printing and low interest rates to rescue the BIG MONEY SCHEMES .
It’s almost laughable that the PR machine is suggesting anything that
puts the loss on the back of the people ,and Austerity is something
that the people suffer ,not the BIG GUYS and the systems that are enriching them. The evidence is where the wealth is going .
And now when money is tight and tax revenue is low ,its the Government and the people who are to pay ,certainly not Big Business because they are entitled to their profits that end up in their pockets .if Government can’t pay ,than take it out of the hide of the people and raise their taxes or leave them out in the cold, enrich them only .
So you have guys like Romney in essence suggesting that giving Business less regulation and power and benefits and tax relief
is the pathway to prosperty and this will create 12 million high paying jobs ,while he wants to maintain a high military budget and take away peoples entitlements and drop social programs because the 47% are bums . As if the increase in food stamps isn’t due to the loss of jobs ,or wages that support the cost of living .
The evidence show that the Powers that rule have gutted the job and
manufacturing base in the USA ,they ruined the financal markets by their fraudulent lending schemes and required bails out in the trillions,that the taxes are suppose to pay for ,and they have reduced wages and benefits for the majority by using Global low wages as
the leverage ,while they maintain faulty trade balances and tariffs .
They would like you to believe that those darn worker people are
flakes and to demanding and how dare they take anything but what
they want to give them ,which is little and toxic . They don’t care if people have health insurance ,jobs ,or social nets ,that doesn’t benefit them in their minds ,in spite of the people being the consumers of products . They just want to raise the price of products and how people get the money is their problem .
It all about rigged decks for greater profit margins for them and less power or Government funds directed to the people ,unless it benefits them .
Money is power and the workers getting more isn’t their gameplan .
A Government for the Corporations and by the Corporations is what is taking the power of the people away ,and Politic today is the lobby system serving the rich and powerful while they BS the people .
So attacking BIG BIRD as being the Culprit is just part of the never ending attempt to keep the real talking points not being talked about .
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-07 09:03:42
“…if prices are based on price fixing monopolies,or bubbles created ,or Fed policies , outsourcing rather than on wages/benefits of the majority population,than the Majority population is just reduced to being at the mercy of these forces…”
Silly me…I thought price fixing and monopolies were illegal under the Sherman Antitrust Act.
But I guess a law on the books which goes unenforced is about as useless as no law at all…
NEW YORK, NY - SEPTEMBER 20: People walk by a Bank of America branch in Times Square on September 20, 2012 in New York City. Bank of America Corp. has announced in a document to top management that it intends on getting rid of 16,000 jobs and to close 200 branches as the company continues its cost-cutting strategy. (Photo by Spencer Platt/Getty Images)
Four years ago, President George W. Bush signed into law the biggest corporate rescue in American history. Even as U.S. unemployment has remained above 8 percent for 43 months, the country’s biggest banks are making almost as much as they ever have.
The combined $63 billion in profit reported by the six largest U.S. lenders over the four quarters through June is more than they earned in any calendar year since the peak in 2006.
Bank of America made more in the 12-month period than Walt Disney Co. and McDonald’s combined. Citigroup, which like Bank of America took $45 billion in taxpayer funds, earned more than Caterpillar and Boeing. JPMorgan Chase, the largest U.S. bank by assets, had profits of more than $17 billion even after reporting a $5.8 billion trading loss.
Still, Wall Street isn’t enjoying its good fortune.
Those billions of dollars in profits aren’t enough, according to interviews with more than a dozen bank executives and analysts. The lowest leverage in a decade, return on equity at a third of 2006 levels, higher capital requirements, shares trading below book value, declining bonuses, job cuts, the European sovereign-debt crisis and a backlash against bankers have damped the joys of profit, they said.
Dick Kovacevich, who retired as chairman of Wells Fargo in 2009, was in the men’s dining room of his San Francisco country club in July after the bank reported a $4.6 billion second-quarter profit.
A man there spoke to him, and not to offer praise for the best results in the firm’s 160 years. “Wall Street was bailed out, and Main Street wasn’t,” he told Kovacevich, the 68-year-old banker said.
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I would say get all the money back from all those entities
and that will solve the deficit problem . I want at least 10 trillion from all these entities . I will allow them to pay it in a 10 year span of time and we will call it the ill-gotten gains tax .
If you don’t see this situation in terms of who took and is taking the money and running and leaving Main Street in
shambles ,look again .
But ,getting into their game just supports their game and feeds it . The Nation can’t become a bunch of stock investors or real estate flippers to survive, rather than production jobs with cost of living wages .
They lured the whole world into the easy credit debt game and raise real estate prices and decouple it from real wages to the ruin and need for a bail out of them .
They are masters at taking the money and running and leaving the damage to the Government and the people .
Now you got China screaming they want their loans back ,when they accumulated all this excess money by faulty tariffs and trade balances and giving us a bunch of junk that was overpriced for what it was anyway .But, it enriched the middlemen and it increased profit for the Multi-national Corporations .
The truth is that all the long term systems that were set up
here in America would of worked has they not been hijacked
by the one percenters and Powerful Corporations and Wall Street/Banks and Globalism used for their benefit .
Take for instance what BIG BUSINESS ,Wall Street/Banks have contributed in the last 12 years ,
(1) They got lower tax breaks .
(2) They got record profits
(3) They got Bail outs in the trillions
(4) They reduced wages and benefits for the worker class and they gutted a lot of jobs in favor of foreign cheaper labor and manufacturing and middlemen profits .
(5) They got free trade without penalty for taking jobs and cash flowand tax revenue outside the Country .
(6) They got lending Ponzi schemes and other casino games that
created bubbles and crashes ,but they took the money and ran and avoided justice and prosecution .
(7) CEO’s got record deals ,and Wall Street pimps got billions .
(8) Business got the money on the fake debt by people purchasing what they really couldn’t afford ,than the parties holding the bag got bailed out ( the lenders )
(9) They increased their bigness by mergers and crushing smaller competition ,which in part was the small business owners here in the United States .
(10) They set up a game in which if you can’t compete on a Global level in terms of lower wages ,than your toast .
(11) They transferred liability to the government for their crimes ,and they also expected the Government to take over on
entitlements they don’t want to pay,and they set the Government to take over entitlements when they go BK .
(12) They demanded Military protection for the Global games they play ,and they expect the police powers to protect them
first and foremost .
(13) They transferred the medical insurance burden to the Government by increasingly dropping benefits for employees or
raising their contribution ,another way to reduce wages ,yet leave a social need for health care ,also by gutting jobs .
(14) They forced government into paying for illegals medical needs ,not business that was using their low labor costs .
(15) They expect that taxes should fund schooling ,but Business benefits by this training . They expect Government to fund
roads ,bridges ,police , and military and all these public services that in large part make it possible for BIG BUSINESS to operate more sucessful ,but the people should pay for it .
(16) They play their casino games that raise prices and cash flow to malinvestment ,than short it right before it crashes .They use unsustainable leverage in their unregulated markets and they don’t even have the money to back their casino games .
(18) They price fix ,which has nothing to do with supply and demand or cost of living .
(17) They bribe the Politicians ,and now they are considered a individual by the recent High Court decision about Corporations . The lobby power is unheard of and it has nothing to do with what is good for the USA as a whole .
(18) They control and own the mainstreet media and brainwashing and supression of information is their method .
(19) They push for more laws that will in fact limit the people and their freedoms and give them more control .
(20) They don’t want a strong worker class ,nor do they care about social concerns or if grandmother has health care or social security . Profit making and power is the objective ,and no regulations put on them ,and giving them more freedom at the expense of the people is the idea .
(21) They want free rein to pollute ,give toxic products ,not be regulated to increase their profit margins at the expense of people . They don’t even want to be sueable anymore ,and their penalty for their crimes are lower than the profits they made . They will paper wave someone who sues them so Justice can’t be served .
(22) They have increasingly got the Regulatory agencies in their back pocket to the point where Regulatory agencies are their servent ,not the peoples ,or the peoples protection against
their foul play .
(23) They distract the public by taking the heat off themselves by never allowing the real talking points and blaming parties like Social Security recipants ,or deadbeats that have been priced out of health care thats 50% higher for those monopolies to get .
(24) They abberate the concept of the free market invisible hand,because the invisible hand is how to get the money to flow in their pocket with a stacked and rigged deck . But keep the American Dream concept going and blame the people for not being able to acheive it ,while they take away more and more opportunity to even have a chance at it .
(25) I could go on and on . But this is what has happened . Government for the Corporations and WALL STREET /Banks .Its not big Government that you should fear ,its who big government serves is what you should fear .
“Take for instance what BIG BUSINESS ,Wall Street/Banks have contributed in the last 12 years ,”
Not to take away from the corruption you mention, but how many people did they employ in the united states? I work for a large corporation, my sister and father work for large corporations, we all take home competitive salaries. Communism will not pay my bills.
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Comment by Housing Wizard
2012-10-07 13:50:10
I’m not saying that some Corporations didn’t employ some workers here in the United States at good wages . It’s all about the numbers you need to make the boat float and
the cash flow jive .
Comment by ahansen
2012-10-07 14:29:55
“…Communism will not pay my bills….”
It will when you’re an old fart and your corporation’s gone bankrupt. I can just hear you now, “Keep your commie hands off my Medicare! And where’s my Social Security check?!”
What do you think a corporation IS, anyway? Whether you care to see it that way or not, it’s a social construct that benefits all involved in proportion to the work of its laborers — that would be you and your family — with the “party” officials skimming the benefits and yes, “distributing” the wealth to all the “shareholders”.
Perspective, nicky. It’ll make your life a whole lot easier. This ain’t Hungary. Or Cuba. Or (shudder) the hellhole that is Sweden. You’re safe here — but for The Progressives.
PS. I don’t think that word means what you think it means in this country.
Comment by Housing Wizard
2012-10-07 17:17:51
Corporate Communism and we distribute as we see fit ,or to the degree we can bribe the Politicians to stack the deck in our favor . A government apart from the needs of the people or the worker class or now the growing poverty class and unemployed class or low wage class .
You can’t have a economy in which only one third of the
people are protected ,and the rest austerity is imposed ,while at the same time a grand heist is pulled off
in which the lions share has gone to the top .
That movie FOUR HORSEMAN ( which I havent seen ) takes 27 best minds and thinkers and they speak the truth about what has happened here .The trailers and some of the reviews on that Documentary points to us being Controlled by Corporations and big business and Insurance/ Banks/Wall Street and their money schemes and ability to control everything now ,including were bail outs will go ,and never mind the rule of law anymore ,that’s only for the little people .
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-10-07 17:40:29
“It will when you’re an old fart and your corporation’s gone bankrupt.”
Thanks for outing yourself as a communist, saves me the trouble. I believe in and embrace capitalism, you (and others like you) on the other hand enjoy all of the capitalist system’s benefits while working to facilitate it’s demise.
A balanced system of free market capitalism and responsible governments has created the most productive and prosperous country the world has ever seen. It’s time for the all or nothing crowd on both sides to crawl back into their holes and let the rest of us work within our system to keep this country moving forward.
Put true communism on the ballot and see how many votes you get, less than the libertarians would be a safe guess.
Comment by Housing Wizard
2012-10-07 19:35:47
What are the current capitalism benefits that are benefiting the majority population now ,verses whatever has taken place before .
Computer question, folks. My computer has a new version of Java that it keeps wanting to install. Polly said something about a version of Java that might be virus-laden, so I’ve been refusing the install for a couple weeks. My internet has been pausing a bit and I wonder if that’s because it needs the Java update. How do I know if the version of Java I have is safe, and should I install it?
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-07 09:17:59
At least the sad news about declining San Diego incomes is offset by the happy news that San Diego real estate is going up again.
Cue up the MSM sob stories about a lack of affordable housing in San Diego County…
P.S. Our family’s income easily dropped by over 11% since the onset of the Great Recession, in nominal terms alone, and worse in real terms (e.g. factoring in a huge increase in gasoline prices and other essentials), as free lance opportunities which were readily available to me in the mid-2000s have dried up. Luckily we’ve never lived paycheck-to-paycheck, and didn’t make the mistake of buying a home before the housing bubble popped.
Workers’ inflation-adjusted earnings in most of the county’s largest industries were lower last year than in 2007, and the sectors that did not suffer declines saw only modest growth, according to the Center on Policy Initiatives in San Diego.
These findings among the region’s 15 biggest industries reflect the continued effects of the Great Recession and the slow economic recovery since then.
In analyzing U.S. Census Bureau data from the 2011 American Community Survey, the center also said lagging earnings contributed to the county’s 3 percent decline in median household income from 2010 through last year. The drop from 2007 through 2011 was 11.1 percent.
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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-07 16:00:07
The table that accompanies this story shows an interesting contrast in housing-related industries. While construction employment in San Diego County fell by 39.1% from 2007-11, median earnings fell only 4.7%.
By contrast, ‘real estate & rental and leasing’ saw a 0.8% decline in employment coupled with a 24.8% drop in median earnings.
Both industries were hammered, but the workers who survived the cuts in construction employment saw relatively little drop in earnings compared to those in the sales end of real estate.
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Written by Lily Leung
12:01 a.m., Oct. 7, 2012
Updated 11:16 p.m. , Oct. 5, 2012
San Diego County’s level of housing distress took a pivotal turn this year. Short sales, once rare deals in the real estate world, now make up a bigger share of the residential market compared with foreclosed homes that have been resold.
Short sales allow homeowners who can’t afford their mortgages to sell their homes for less than what they still owe, as long as the lender says OK. One in five homes resold in the county were short sales, based on August numbers from local real estate tracker DataQuick. Compare that with single-digit percentages seen while the housing bubble began to percolate in 2007.
Short sales are expected to become even more common and easier to close as Freddie Mac, which owns or guarantees a sizable chunk of mortgages in California, will make it easier for borrowers to complete them starting next month. Borrowers will see that the process is considerably shorter and that it will leave less of a financial black mark on their credit histories.
Already boosting the number of short sales is a $25 billion mortgage deal between the nation’s biggest banks and 49 states that settled foreclosure abuse allegations and was signed earlier this year. The agreement essentially forces banks to do more short sales and provide relief to borrowers on expedited terms. Some banks are even offering cash as incentives to get more people to short sell.
“Banks are really motivated to do short sales,” said Matt Battiata, who owns Del Mar-based Battiata Real Estate. “… Banks have decided and learned over the last several years that short sales are a much better way to mitigate loss.”
The end result appears to be good for the housing market.
The increase in short sales means a more dynamic real estate market, fewer losses for banks and increased chances that short sellers could buy homes again after a shorter hiatus.
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Though the news spotlight has been on the presidential debates and the Nov. 6 elections, a more pressing personal issue for large numbers of homeowners across the country involves the lame-duck congressional session scheduled to begin Nov. 13.
Along with the federal budget, billions in tax increases, draconian spending cuts and efforts to avoid the “fiscal cliff” looming Dec. 31, the lame-duck session is expected to answer what’s estimated to be a multibillion-dollar question for housing: Will Congress renew the mortgage debt forgiveness tax provisions for owners whose mortgage lenders agree to write off portions of their debt, either as part of loan modifications, foreclosures, short sales or deeds-in-lieu of foreclosure? Without an extension, borrowers who receive reductions in principal next year would be hit with federal income taxes at their regular marginal rates on the amounts forgiven.
The lame-duck session also will have to deal with a slew of other real estate-related issues including write-offs for mortgage insurance premiums, tax benefits for homeowners who install energy-saving improvements, tax credits for builders of energy-efficient new houses, and extension of current relief for middle-income taxpayers from the alternative minimum tax (AMT), among others.
While President Obama, Republican challenger Mitt Romney and most members of Congress have been campaigning, staffs of key House and Senate tax and finance committees — along with hordes of lobbyists — have been working out game plans for the lame-duck session.
One key piece of strategy: Could the Family and Business Tax Cut Certainty Act of 2012 — which passed the Senate Finance Committee in August and includes mortgage forgiveness relief and other housing-related tax extensions along with AMT relief, research and development tax credits and dozens of other targeted tax benefits — be treated as a stand-alone bill? If not, there’s a strong risk of it getting caught up in the much larger partisan fights over spending, the federal debt ceiling and the whole fiscal cliff debate.
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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-07 09:40:25
“…a more pressing personal issue for large numbers of homeowners across the country involves…”
I call bullshit on the notion that ‘homeowners’ are a some kind of protected political class. This is the kind of muddle-headed thinking that supports the federal housing policies that led to the housing bubble and subsequent collapse.
The criminal alliance between the press(advertising departments) and realtors results in the worst kind of pandering dripping in sanctimonious bull$hit.
Gas prices in San Diego County reached a record high Saturday, at $4.674 for a gallon of regular fuel, according to the AAA Daily Fuel Gauge Report.
At some stations, a gallon of gas costs more than $5. The previous record was $4.63 on June 19, 2008.
Gas prices jumped quickly during the week — including 19 cents overnight from Thursday to Friday — after Exxon Mobil’s Torrance refinery lost production because of a power outage. That outage was on top of other refinery problems in the state. Those events earlier in the week caused a spike in an already volatile market.
And it’s not going to let up just yet. Prices are expected to rise over the next few days even though the Torrance refinery has resumed operations. Relief could come next week, when prices are expected to stabilize.
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There is a run on gas because of a perceived shortage of the stuff and this run causes an actual shortage of the stuff which will peak out right after everyone’s gas tanks have peaked out.
Does anyone here believe people will drive MORE if the cost of gas is more? Anyone?
If everyone has a full tank of expensive gas and they do not want to spend any more money buying any more expensive gas then they will curtail their driving. And if everyone curtails their driving then the the consumption of gas will fall and so will the price.
BTW, this is a good example of a market driven by fundamentals rather than one driven by price.
People curtail their long-term buying of gas because the price of gas goes up (but they may increase their short-term buying so to keep their gas tanks topped out). What a logical thing to do in a fundamentally-driven market.
But in a price-driven market people will increase their buying as the price goes up. People went nuts and bought houses - several of them at one time in many cases - because of what? Because the price of houses went up. This is an illogical thing to do in a fundamentally-driven market but it makes perfect sense in a price-driven market because, in a price-driven market. Price equals Value.
It does, it really and truly does … until it doesn’t.
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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-07 13:24:33
“BTW, this is a good example of a market driven by fundamentals rather than one driven by price.”
I agree with you to a point, but it is more valid at Costco than at the service stations which sell products for the oligopoly oil companies…
Comment by Dave of the North
2012-10-07 13:46:16
There was a small explosion at the refinery in Saint John NB the other day and that apparently was one of the causes of the oil price spike. In NB it went up 7 cents a litre from last week (government controls the price, but they just set them based on the New York Harbor price or some such stat)
$3.59 per gallon in my part of Phoenix this morning. Also by 2016 the Arizona long term capital gain tax will be reduced 25% to the 3.5% rate. California’s rudely is your ordinary state income tax rate.
It is a beautiful October morning in Ahwatukee, clean smooth roads, consistent architecture. Uh oh, lots of HOAs here…
Suggest the bear clan in becoming full time residents in Arizona or Nevada (183 days a year) and vacation in San Diego for 182 days a year.
The Torrance incident is a half mile from my office window there. I took a picture of the big burnoff flame from my office window last week. They had burnoffs three days in a row, which was unusual.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-07 09:50:08
I realize the Torrance shutdown is served up as the proximate cause of high gas prices, but note that w/o QE, (dollar-denominated) oil price would be nowhere near as high enough to support gasoline north of $4.50/g.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-07 09:36:29
This proposal makes a hell of a lot more sense than the current special tax deduction for mortgage interest. If you want to provide Americans with a tax break, why not also give them the freedom to choose how to spend it?
The folly of dumping so much federal money into housing should be obvious to everyone by now; glad at least one of the two candidates is moving away from the policies which led to the epic housing crash.
Mitt Romney suggests cutting mortgage interest deduction on eve of presidential debate
Published: October 2, 2012 7:16 PM
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Republican presidential candidate and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, accompanied by Sen. Rob Portman, R-Ohio, shakes hands with a worker as he makes an unscheduled stop at a Chipotle restaurant in Denver. (Oct. 2, 2012)
DENVER - Offering deficit-cutting ideas before his first debate with President Barack Obama, Mitt Romney says he might be willing to reduce income tax deductions used by millions of families for home mortgage interest and health care costs.
He suggested the changes could be part of a plan that includes a 20 percent cut in tax rates across the board, continuation of upper income tax cuts that Obama wants to end and a comprehensive tax overhaul plan that the Republican presidential contender has so far declined to flesh out in detail. Romney says his overall plans would invigorate the slowly recovering U.S. economy.
Both Romney and Obama spent their time mostly in private on Tuesday, preparing for the debate, the president in Henderson, Nev., near Las Vegas, Romney already in Denver where the faceoff will take place Wednesday at 9 p.m. EDT. Neither held public campaign events, but Obama took a break from preparation to visit nearby Hoover Dam, and Romney picked up lunch at a Chipotle Mexican Grill near his hotel.
In an interview Monday night with Denver TV station KDVR, Romney said, “As an option you could say everybody’s going to get up to a $17,000 deduction. And you could use your charitable deduction, your home mortgage deduction, or others — your health care deduction, and you can fill that bucket, if you will, that $17,000 bucket that way. And higher income people might have a lower number.”
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Mitt Romney says he might be willing to reduce income tax deductions used by millions of families for home mortgage interest and health care costs.
I wonder how that’s going to fly with all of my neighbors with the 500K+ Golf Course facing houses, the ones with the Romney/Ryan signs in their yards.
This was expected. The new tax code will shift the burden from the wealthy to the middle and upper middle class. Boy, aren’t they gonna be in for a surprise!
Of course some how and some way the idea is to tax the middle class and upper middle class and the poverty class more . With out any regard to demand side economics ,this is the game plan because it has to come from somewhere ,but certainly not from the hijackers of America . On top of that the cost of living is going to go up for the classes mentioned above ,while at the same time no raise in wages will offset this rise .Talk about the upper crust and powerful monopoly Corporations wanting government to keep their profit margins in tack ,while leaving
the people powerless and going downhill .
European officials will move to prevent Spain from dragging the single currency into a new round of convulsions this week as a series of high-level meetings aim to ease the three-year-old European debt crisis.
“It feels as if we are in for a month or so of Spanish trouble,” Erik Nielsen, London-based chief global economist at UniCredit SpA (UCG), wrote in a note yesterday. Nielsen cited the risk that Spain will wait too long to request financial assistance and that a rescue package will be badly designed.
A month after European Central Bank President Mario Draghi unveiled a plan to gain the upper hand through central-bank bond purchases, handing the burden of crisis resolution over to European governments, leaders have yet to agree on a blueprint for rescue conditions and centralized bank supervision.
Finance ministers from the 17-member euro area will discuss issues including Spain at 5 p.m. in Luxembourg; ministers from all 27 nations in the European Union will meet the next day. EU leaders gather for a summit in Brussels the following week on Oct. 18-19.
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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-07 19:11:27
With the Fed and QE3, Wall Street investors can rest assured: The stock market will always go up from here, no matter how terrible the earnings picture turns out.
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October 7, 2012 5:03 pm
‘Worst US quarterly earnings since 2009’
By Anora Mahmudova and Michael Mackenzie in New York
The slowdown in the global economy and anaemic US recovery is expected to result in one of the worst US quarterly earnings seasons since late 2009.
Analysts expect earnings for the period ended September to decline, the first negative result after 11 consecutive quarters of gains.
Energy and materials companies are tipped to lead the downturn with the financial sector set to be one of the few bright spots.
Wall Street analysts expect third-quarter earnings per share for S&P 500 companies will fall 2.7 per cent versus the same quarter a year ago, according to FactSet. Just three months ago analysts had forecast growth of 1.9 per cent.
In the past three months, warnings from large companies about reduced full-year profits due to global economic weakness fuelled this pessimistic view.
FedEx and UPS, often seen as barometers for world economic health, cut their full-year guidance during their last earnings releases, citing the slowdown in global trade.
In August, talking to the Financial Times, the chief executive of Caterpillar, bellwether of the industrial economy, warned of the greater uncertainty about global growth, predicting it could take another five years before Europe’s economy begins to grow.
Jeff Kleintop, chief market strategist at LPL Financial, said: “We expect corporate profits will be negative and revenues soft, as the global slowdown and below average economic growth in the US has affected companies.”
The earnings season starts with Alcoa reporting on Tuesday, followed by JPMorgan and Wells Fargo on Friday.
However, downbeat earnings expectations are yet to weigh on the broad market with the S&P 500 up more than 16 per cent so far this year. Stock prices are being supported by the Federal Reserve buying large amounts of bonds, which lowers interest rates and boosts the attractiveness of riskier assets such as equities.
“If we see that the markets do not correct even after earnings disappoint and guidance gets worse, then it will be clear that fundamentals have given way to the Fed,” said Quincy Krosby, market strategist at Prudential Financial.
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Japan’s territorial spat with China may cause the Japanese economy to contract this quarter and hasten a current account slide as exports decline and Chinese tourism to Japan drops off, according to a JPMorgan report.
The dispute will knock 0.8 percentage point off Japan’s gross domestic product in the October-December period, JPMorgan Securities Japan Co. economists Masaaki Kanno and Masamichi Adachi wrote in an e-mailed note yesterday. They now estimate fourth-quarter GDP will contract 0.8 percent from the previous quarter, compared with a previous estimate of no growth.
The squabble over islands claimed by Asia’s two largest economies imperils a $340 billion trade relationship ahead of China’s power transition and a possible general election in Japan this year. Carmakers are hardest hit, with Mazda Motor Corp. (7261) deliveries in China last month falling 35 percent.
“As its global role has increased, China has become much more important in Japan’s international trade,” Kanno and Adachi wrote. “While there remains a lot of uncertainty ahead and the risk of the dispute escalating cannot be ruled out, we assume that it will diminish in two quarters under the new governments in both countries.”
The worst diplomatic crisis between the two countries since 2005 may also accelerate a deterioration in Japan’s current account surplus, the JPMorgan economists said, predicting the excess could disappear before the end of 2014. This compares with its estimate in January that the nation would begin posting a deficit in the first quarter of 2015.
Exports Fall
Japan’s exports fell 5.8 percent in August from a year earlier, the third straight monthly decline, with shipments to China, its largest trading partner, dropping 9.9 percent and those to the European Union slumping 22.9 percent.
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SYDNEY (MarketWatch) — Asian stocks sagged early Monday, with commodity-related firms losing ground after a mixed finish on Wall Street Friday despite an upbeat U.S. nonfarm jobs report.
South Korea’s Kospi (KR:SEU -0.73%) slipped 0.4%, while Australia’s S&P/ASX 200 Index (AU:XJO -0.31%) traded down 0.1%.
Japanese markets were closed for a holiday on Monday, but mainland Chinese markets were set to reopen following a week-long closure for the Golden Week holidays.
Wall Street ended mixed on Friday after an early rally related to jobs data, which showed that 114,000 jobs were added to the U.S. economy in September and the jobless rate fell to 7.8% gave way to caution ahead of the start of earnings season.
Gold and other metals settled lower in New York on Friday after the U.S. jobs data dented expectations of more monetary easing measures. Read more on metals.
“Friday’s unexpectedly large fall in the U.S. unemployment rate — to a three-and-a-half year low of 7.8% — rattled Treasuries and gold, while providing a further fillip to the prices of riskier assets,” noted strategists at Capital Economics.
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(Reuters) - German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble said on Sunday that Chancellor Angela Merkel’s trip to Greece this week did not mean the debt-stricken country would receive the next tranche of aid from its bailout.
“The chancellor will not discuss with Greece a matter which the troika must report on first,” Schaeuble told broadcaster ZDF in an interview, referring to the “troika” of the International Monetary Fund, European Commission and European Central Bank.
Greece is stuck in tough negotiations with “troika” inspectors over a new wave of budget cuts for the next two years, a condition for getting an installment of the 130 billion euro bailout that is keeping the country afloat.
“Greece must fulfill its obligations for the next tranche to be paid,” said Schaeuble.
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October 5, 2012, 3:01 PM
Report: Shadow Inventory Looms Over New York, New Jersey
By Nick Timiraos
This summer, we looked at whether the much-ballyhooed “shadow inventory” of potential foreclosures would materialize.
New data from researchers at the New York Federal Reserve Bank provide some valuable insights. Their answer shows that bank-owned foreclosures are set to rise in the Northeast, particularly in New York and New Jersey.
Of course, the supply of bank-owned foreclosures depends largely on how quickly banks move loans that are already in foreclosure through the repossession process.
Researchers looked at three different scenarios for how long that will take. Right now, foreclosures take around two years on average, though that varies heavily by state, and that is up from around one year at the end of 2008.
The first scenario examines what happens to the supply of bank-owned inventory if foreclosure timelines lengthen at their current pace. The second looks at what would happen if timelines stabilize, while the third looks at what would happen if banks and courts quickly accelerated foreclosures.
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So I’ve been reading the blog from Japan the last 2 weeks. The ads are all Japanese stuff. I was amused to see an ad for realestate.co.jp and the headline for the ad was “Invest in Real Estate, High Returns, Low Risk!” Just gotta love it! By the way, thanks for keeping it entertaining, I’ve been babysitting for the grandson and the blog is my main grown up fun. Oops, gotta run, missing Kung Fu Panda, again!
What fun, lemming!
It’s still kind of hard to believe that we can so readily get the same instantaneous info from “far away”. It wasn’t all that long ago I paid $127 USD for a thirty-minute telephone call to New Zealand.
Looking forward to hearing your impressions of how the country is coming out of the Long Decade– or is it?
I must clarify that I’m in Okinawa, not Tokyo. Big difference. However, I do notice that stuff here is about 50% more than in the states. The people here are the most polite I’ve ever encountered (although I’m not well traveled). It’s like they understand the value of tourism more than the USA does. I don’t see any new housing, just housing that is packed together to the point that one begins to appreciate zero lot lines (zero lot lines being more spacious!). The architecture is not beautiful and there’s no landscaping, but the natural areas (parks, beaches) are beautiful. They have dive shops all over the place. Supposed to be one of the top spots for snorkel and diving in the world, although I haven’t gone (the shame!). The other thing is that if we ever decided to remove our 6-7 military bases here, it would devastate the economy enormously! I’m pretty sure that’s their main economic driver as they charge obscenely high rent to the enlisted (basically, they charge whatever the limit is for your rank). I really believe that the military has huge room to cut spending, just with what they overpay for on a regular basis. I know that’s not a news flash and nobody seems interested in correcting that. Sorry for the long post ahansen, but I got alot of time on my hands!
Lemming, I just got back from Osaka this morning and I agree that the people are great; very helpful. It is quite expensive, especially for transportation (taxis!) and lodging. Food, though, I found quite resonable and fantastic quality, for the most part.
oh also, regarding the communications with the states, we use skype or magic jack and it’s free to talk all i want. It’s crazy how far we’ve come and I’m not even up to date with technology!
I’ve been hammering on judicial/non-judicial states, and non-judicial states that begin to look judicial based on laws passed to slow things down.
I’ve also noted that if any of the judicial states allow foreclosures to happen faster, prices will get crushed.
My poster child for the third category is Nevada.
Well, I heard a pretty well-founded rumor yesterday that the wheels are in motion behind the scenes to repeal the law that turned Nevada quasi-judicial in the end of 2011. If the rumor is right, the repeal will happen next year.
If the law is repealed, there will be more distress hitting the market faster, and my guess would be that values are negatively impacted.
Does anyone have a link to a roster of the judicial and non-judicial states?
http://www.lpsvcs.com/LPSCorporateInformation/CommunicationCenter/DataReports/MortgageMonitor/201208MortgageMonitor/MortgageMonitorAugust2012.pdf
Page 4. The states with an asterisk are judicial.
Interesting to see that Colorado is near the bottom of the list based on percentages. Compared with Florida I can see why Unknown Tennant is bent out of shape.
“If the law is repealed, there will be more distress hitting the market faster, and my guess would be that values are negatively impacted.”
Value will not be impacted, only price. This is what most people do not realize.
Value? The only value is the space inside the structure and the ground for growing, not unlike a wheel or jug. A wheel without a hole for an axle is worthless, and because the jug is hollowed out it is the space within that makes it valuable.
During the bubble it was beyond belief what blue sky value was added to the purchase price, and it still is! The big bad wolf has huffed and puffed and blown away the financial house of straw; now the wolf is working on the shored up financial house of wood. Now is the time to shore up your assets in a house of brick.
The “value” of a house should never be monetary. It should be shelter value, for your given value of shelter. It’s a nice upholstered cave.
Treating it as having monetary value is a path to disaster.
Treating it as having monetary value is a path to disaster ??
Well, I would somewhat disagree….If you were 30 and bought a house in Nashville for lets say, $100,000. and borrowed $90,000. on a 30 year mortgage, if you stayed there until 60, you would own the house free and clear…I would say that has “Monetary Value” simular to a savings account because if you sold it you would receive whatever value in terms of cash that the house has…
Now, if the statement is framed as saying that buying and paying off a personal residence as a way to create Wealth, I would agree that it may be a path to disaster as millions have recently found out….
“The “value” of a house should never be monetary.”
+1 In other words, intrinsic value.
The problem is that when you sell the house you have to secure other shelter. (Have you priced “senior living” these days?) The older one gets, the less inclined one is to leave one’s familiar surroundings, and assisted living expenses will soon eat up any appreciation realized from the sale of the house. Moreover, if you’ve had to HELOC it for medical expenses before that, you’re skewered.
So there you are.
“Moreover, if you’ve had to HELOC it for medical expenses before that, you’re skewered.”
Unless you’re livin’ large like Mitt Romney, you’re already skewered. Every one of my grandparents ended up broke late in life due to medical expenses, and ended up in a nursing home awaiting death. We need more tax cuts for the wealthy.
A wheel without a hole for an axle is worthless
By that reasoning we would have no commodities market at all. A wheat seed is worthless without water and land etc, but the seed still has worth. Crude oil straight out of the ground can’t be used for much, yet we put in a little effort into separating it into components, because the sum of the parts is worth more than the whole.
A wheel without a hole is worth the price of a wheel minus the price of drilling a hole. So people will still buy holeless wheels with the intent of drilling a hole. Possibly even a custom hole for buyers willing to pay.
The same concept applies to houses and land and pretty much anything.
“A wheel without a hole is worth the price of a wheel minus the price of drilling a hole. So people will still buy holeless wheels with the intent of drilling a hole. Possibly even a custom hole for buyers willing to pay.”
Oxide you missed the whole point. Until someone drilled that hole the wheel had no value. It is the EMPTY space,that void, that makes somethings valuable.It is the empty space within the house framework that makes it valuable. Once the house is constructed the amount of space does not change. It has a base value for that space and anything beyond that is shear folly.Somebody somewhere is always willing to pay more as illustrated during the bubble but those prices were never inline with the base value of the house as time has always shown.Want to buy a lot in Bodie, CA? Everything like your commodities (consumables) will always have value, that is a given, but let us take your grain of wheat, is the the grain that has most of the value or is it the final product of the grain that has value. If the grain rotted, value lost; not water, value lost; contaminated, value lost; bug infestation, value lost; act of nature, value lost; supply of product at market place, value lost.
Whatever.
People say ALL THE TIME that gold is a “store of value”. However, gold generally has little utility, so would you say that Gold has no value, only price?
With gold price equals value.
The utility of the stuff - and it its utility that determines its fundamental value (that along with its availability or its scarcity) - remains about the same over time but it’s price varies widely.
So why is that? Why does the price vary so widely? Perception, maybe? The perception that Price equals Value?
Fear of what’s happening to the value of paper money.
Gold price is stationary. Fiat money is losing value relative to gold. It is the “relative” part that makes it an illusion that gold price per ounce is going up.
“Gold price is stationary.”
Weren’t you one of the guys here that told us of how one could have bought gold just a few years ago for four-hundred dollars or so? How stationary of a price is that?
“Fear of what’s happening to the value of paper money.”
Compared to a few years ago the value of paper money has increased.
A few years ago a strawberry picker could sign a paper and - presto! - he would get six-hundred dollars plopped into an account that had his name on it - something he could use to buy a six-hundred thousand dollar house. Then he could begin to cash out equity from this house and - presto! - more cash would be given to him. In those days the value of paper money was low because it was so easy to get.
But now? Check out the number of payday loan stores that are popping up everywhere, or the “We BUY GOLD” ads on the TV.
Cash sucks when there is too much of the stuff but it rules when there isn’t enough.
Combo, the dollar lost a lot of value relative to gold. One ounce of gold in 1905 could buy you a high quality men’s suit. Same thing in 2012. As for the last twelve years, the dollar lost the value it should have lost in the 1980s and 1990s. Again, it takes more cheaper dollars to buy that gold ounce. The price of gold relative to a Hard currency is probably stable.
“The price of gold relative to a Hard currency is probably stable.”
By definition, no?
Gold and silver are basically alternative currencies. The Monetary policy capitalists such as Milton and Rose Friedman had a great theory that Monetary policy works well. Yet the problem is the leadership of the Fed exploit it to the degree we have had seen, decades of a credit bubble. I know of no nation that is following the Friedman approach. In democracies, particularly in the advanced stage most are in today, mobocracy, it is impossible. It is a case for anyone to put their own household on the gold standard.
Most people, especially the under 50 set, do not have much cash in their net worth. They have stock funds in their 401ks, real estate, cars, and perhaps precious metals, a little cash, and some treasuries. So they can go 100% on a gold and silver standard by simply exchanging most of their cash for bullion.
If I need to buy a big ticket item I sell some stocks and sometimes, like a couple years ago, sell some precious metals.
“The price of gold relative to hard currency is stable” - If we assume only gold is hard currency, then by definition. I was thinking at least relative to silver, platinum, palladium. I haven’t checked the volatility. In the abstract sense, gold is probably stable priced in a durable good whose utility transcends time!
I hope you are right. Just a thought, maybe the judicial/non-judicial issue is squeezing the tooth paste from the wrong end? If I changed the rules to forced the banks to take an immediate write down (say 90%) of any foreclosed real-estate held for longer than 180 days it should drive prices down quick. Yes I know that’s below ‘fair-value’ but that’s the point, just cut off the other end of the tube!
Thanks for the news.
Nevada is also a recourse state. So in your opinion if they pass this and become non-judicial again will they be able to clear as quickly as California which is a non-recourse / non-judicial state?
Anecdotally I know of people in Nevada that are underwater and would like to walk away (strategic default) but won’t because the bank may take recourse and go after their other assets.
Maryland is a recourse state and nothing has happenned there. Prices are still high and have room to drop by 70% more. I’m talking more around the DC area.
DC area prices are insane. I work in DC now (Jenner & Block) but live in Baltimore city… the contrast in housing prices is absurd. I’m less surprised about Bethesda, Chevy Chase, Potomac, Great Falls than I am about very marginal or lower-end places. Less desirable towns primarily populated by mid-level workers with a high % of 1-income households. Prince George’s County in particular seems primed to fall apart.
Oxide is somewhat illustrative of my point about DC area prices in marginal areas. From what I’ve gathered from her posts, her house is similar to mine but mine has a finished basement, is in better condition + has a 2 car garage (detached). Yet I paid 150k and I believe she paid a great deal more than this. She also earns less money and has a 1-income household. If the federal government ever shuts off the money spigot, she’s f***ed.
The fiscal cliff will never happen. In my experience in the past 4-5 years it is just a media news story. WH and congress will come up with something to kick the can down the road.
I’m not sure why they always try to axe Fed jobs. There is so much wastage in contractor jobs and other misc. expenses, why don’t they cut the fat there. Should the Fed Govt. be paying $300 per hour for some stupid IT job? And this has been going on for the past 10 years. Many IT contractors have become rich on 1099. I thought Obama would bring sanity to this mess, but looks like it doubled in his tenure.
This is a major reason DC area has so many jobs and RE doesn’t do down. It is not the Fed employees but the rich contractors. Would this nonsense ever end? I think they should bring down the hourly rate to not more than $100 per hour. That will fix many things in DC area.
“I’m not sure why they always try to axe Fed jobs.”
Retirement benefits. Looking multi-generationally, .gov benefits used to be “eh” but as we’ve destroyed the middle class, the .gov benefits have stayed more or less the same and everyone elses benefits have collapsed, leading to “pseudo-class warfare”. I will probably never have a pension, and I’m supposed to feel much better about that if I can take away my kids teachers pension, or at least thats what I’m told over and over.
Teaching. A “meh” job with “meh” benefits that hasn’t changed much (financially, anyway) in decades, unlike everything else. The student’s parents have gone from “tool and die maker with gold watch pension” who make three times as much as the teacher to “welcome to walmart” who make less than a quarter as much as the teacher, therefore “the problem” is the teachers and they must be dragged down to a lower level. God forbid we’d think the problem is the destruction of the middle class and try to fix that side of the equation… that might cut into 1%er revenue, both R and D agree that is badthink best pretend this possibility doesn’t exist.
For good laugh look at doublethink of your average rabble rousing politician:
“Education is very important now that our middle class jobs have been outsourced and “free traded” away, to prepare our kids for lifetime careers of un and underemployment, we all agree making our teachers poorer will make the kids smarter so they’ll be better able to compete for the jobs that do not exist.”
“This is a major reason DC area has so many jobs and RE doesn’t do down. It is not the Fed employees but the rich contractors. Would this nonsense ever end?”
Contractors are private, and the private sector always does it better, because ‘they built it’ (their businesses).
Don’t take my word for it — just ask any partisan Republican.
It’s “pseudo-class warfare” among the 99% which will serve to further enrich the 1%, whose multi-million dollar severance packages ensure they won’t ever go hungry in old age, and who have gradually been released since the onset of the ‘401(K) revolution’ from any responsibility to fund old-age insurance for those who are less fortunate.
You seem to be obsessed with the teacher’s unions and how they have less than average earnings and incomes, which is not true.
There is no “conspiracy” to target teachers.
You identified the problem: The loss of incomes amongst most of the working masses.
So here is the simple question:
Why should Market-based workers take losses in incomes (the people who PAY the taxes to support government employees) while government employees get “cost of living increases, and guaranteed pension benefits, while the benefits of the taxpayers have collapsed??
If everyone else’s incomes are falling, it is only reasonable to expect Austerity for the government workers too, isn’t it?
Well, I guess if you work for a government agency, you would say “no”, but I think it’s more than reasonable.
I think this is the entire issue with the Euro Zone. People have been made promises by “government” and expect to be paid, even though the “payers” have been taxed to death (understanding that Greeks and Italians really don’t pay taxes, i.e. tax-avoidance).
If the federal government ever shuts off the money spigot, she’s f***ed.
So are you and all of us. Austerity will happen one way or another. All of us will pay prices, more so if you live in DC, NYC and SF.
Not everyone is f***ed to the same extent. My mortgage is 100k less (if not more), we’re a 2 income couple, we’re significantly younger, and we don’t live around people who work in DC or for government. We also chose to live near family and near my wife’s work so there are a few less variables going on. My job is regulatory in nature (private sector side), for major corporations. Fairly recession proof-even if they’re going bankrupt and getting bailed out, big banks and fortune 100 companies need to pay their lawyers
Thank you, taxpayers.
Debt is not automatically recourse.
It is only recourse of the loan documents specify that the debt is recourse.
In some states, it is illegal for certain kinds of loans to be recourse. In the states where it is legal, there MAY be more recourse, but it is not required.
Debt is not automatically recourse ??
I believe I am accurate on this but please research for yourself to be sure….
In california, a “purchase money loan” on one to four residential units is non-recourse…If, you refinance, that new loan would become a “recourse” loan because it was not a “purchase money loan”…Thats why they have a 3-day waiting period after you sign off on a refinance to close the loan…
I don’t think they are automatically recourse (it depends on the loan documents).
Why do I say this?
Because on the commercial side of things, any loan can be recourse (even money purchase loans), but not all are.
Obama’s November Surprise : The Federal Housing Administration is running out of money
National Review | 10/04/2012 | Dam Murphy
With the presidential race entering the homestretch, most of the political world is wondering: Will there be an “October surprise”? But this year the real surprise may come in November, when the American people learn about the need for a taxpayer-funded bailout of the Federal Housing Administration (FHA).
The FHA guarantees mortgages on loans made by FHA-approved lenders throughout the United States and insures mortgages on single-family homes. Traditionally, it has participated in a fairly small segment of the overall mortgage market. In 2006, the FHA’s market share was just 5 percent. But as credit availability tightened and underwriting standards became more exacting, the FHA’s share of the market exploded to 30 percent of all new mortgage loans. Why is this significant to taxpayers? Unlike the case with conventional loans, when an FHA borrower defaults on his mortgage, the American taxpayers have insured 100 percent of the value of the loan and will be forced to cover any losses on it.
The FHA’s increased market share has not been a good thing for taxpayers. One-sixth of all FHA loans were delinquent as of August 2012. This translates to over 1.2 million borrowers who have missed at least one payment. Even more ominously, 58 percent of the delinquent loans were “seriously delinquent,” which means that almost 10 percent of all FHA borrowers had missed three consecutive months of payments or are now in foreclosure.
These and other facts undermine reports that the housing market has finally turned a corner. Claims on defaulted single-family loans have been steadily rising over the past four quarters. What’s more, the FHA’s insurance fund paid $5.3 billion in claims in the third quarter of fiscal year 2012. As a result, the FHA’s cash flow has turned negative. Remember, you, the taxpayers, are ultimately the FHA’s insurance fund. You paid out $5.3 billion in claims this quarter, and you now have a negative cash flow. You and your housing fund are broke, and no one even bothered to tell you.
According to an estimate from the American Enterprise Institute, the FHA’s capital shortfall is $46 billion to $65 billion under its legally mandated 2 percent minimum capital requirements. Without a cash infusion, it will not be able to pay future claims as they come due. Consequently, the FHA will have to go hat in hand to Congress and ultimately the American taxpayers.
Here is my question:
If Dem also do what Repub do as a party as we saw in Obama’s 1st term, I think we as a country are screwed. What choice do the citizens really have? I don’t see how the parties differentaite at this point. Especially after the first debate where Obama agreed to most of Romneys stuff on economy and Soc Sec.
Are we really doomed as a country as we have sold our souls to the people who have information and are connected to the powerful.
Do you expect your political parties to be polar opposites? I don’t. In the areas you mention, the “big” issues, I would expect there to be some basic agreement. There may be some disagreement about how to “fix” whatever problems may be foreseen ( I think both parties underestimate them).
But I see very different approaches to “policy issues”. I view the Democrats as social engineers, coming up with all kinds of programs and ideologies to “herd” people to the way they think you and I should live, including the appointment of Federal, and local Judges.
The courts have been way too busy dictating “social plans”, such as court-ordered “busing” to provide “integration” in public schools.
Public Housing, Public feeding, Free medical Care, Retirement programs, Education “goals”, mostly concerning “closing the gap” between racial groups, all these things are “social engineering”.
Democrats view this as the PURPOSE of Government. I don’t. I want as little government interference in my life and my neighbors as possible. REpublicans are more typically inclined to NOT provide massive programs for restructuring society based on someone’s ideology of how supposedly free people should be living.
WE saw under Bush, a propensity to “Get along” and agree to Free Pills for Old folks, Endless spending for Stupid kids who can’t perform average school work, and lots of deficit spending (keeping in mind the Democrats controlled the Congress, and Bush was not one for conflict. He wanted to be “liked”).
In terms of Judicial Appointments, look at the Court: Ginsberg, Sotomayer,and fellow kooksters.
If you like government-mandated social engineering, then Democrats are for you.
If you think you would like less “intrusion”, then the R’s may be closer to your way of thinking, though we seen many disappointments lately.
Dear Diogenes, you say that you are against social engineering but what you suggest is itself an “engineering” for social group that is strong and healthy, “smart” star wars and grub the wealth out of it… and who is weak or disable we can approach them like it was done in 1930s and 40s in Germany, just build privet concentration camps and get profit. In some way people in our country already live in a camp owned by 1% of population…
Suddenly in California oil prices jump to $5 gallon, when everywhere else is less than $4… this is the result of” engineering” by the “smart” free market guys… there are a lot of “engineers” in Republican paty who “engineer” in Wall Street and other part of FREE Market like Mr. Medoff and many more like him, I don’t know why Founding fathers decided to create government, they should have been created concentration camps…
“If Dem also do what Repub do as a party as we saw in Obama’s 1st term, I think we as a country are screwed. What choice do the citizens really have?”
The country will survive, but several generation’s unprepared citizens will lose everything material and likely their dignity too.
“Surprise: The Federal Housing Administration is running out of money”
This news must be about as surprising as when Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac blew up in September 2008. Never mind that a cottage industry had sprung up years earlier in academic finance describing the reasons the GSE business model was doomed.
Good article on all the new taxes coming in a few months.
Talk about a time bomb about ready to go off.
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Housing and the Three Waves of the Tax Tsunami – The Biggest Increase in Taxes in American History
Confounded Interest | 09/23/2012
There has been numerous headwinds to a housing (and commercial real estate) recovery. One is doggedly slow economic growth. Another is doggedly high unemployment rates. But there is another headwind that is not talked about for housing and real estate in general: taxmageddon or the upcoming single largest tax increase in American history.
Simply put, housing consumption will be reduced in Federal taxes increase. But this is occurring just as housing is beginning to stabilize in many parts of the country. This will put downward pressure on home prices and new construction.
First Wave of Tax Tsunami: Expiration of 2001 and 2003 Tax Relief
Personal income tax rates will rise on January 1, 2013. The top income tax rate will rise from 35 to 39.6 percent (this is also the rate at which the majority of small business profits are taxed). The lowest rate will rise from 10 to 15 percent. All the rates in between will also rise. Itemized deductions and personal exemptions will again phase out, which has the same mathematical effect as higher marginal tax rates. The full list of marginal rate hikes is below:
-The 10% bracket rises to a new and expanded 15%
-The 25% bracket rises to 28%
-The 28% bracket rises to 31%
-The 33% bracket rises to 36%
-The 35% bracket rises to 39.6%
Second Wave of Tax Tsunami: Obamacare Tax Hikes
There are twenty new or higher taxes in Obamacare. Some have already gone into effect (the tanning tax, the medicine cabinet tax, the HSA withdrawal tax, W-2 health insurance reporting, and the “economic substance doctrine”). Several more will go into effect on January 1, 2013. They include:
Third Wave of Tax Tsunami: The Alternative Minimum Tax and Employer Tax Hikes
When Americans prepare to file their tax returns in January of 2013, they’ll be in for a nasty surprise—the AMT won’t be held harmless, and many tax relief provisions will have expired. These tax increases will be in force for BOTH 2012 and 2013. The major items include:
The AMT will ensnare over 31 million families, up from 4 million last year. According to the left-leaning Tax Policy Center, Congress’ failure to index the AMT will lead to an explosion of AMT taxpaying families—rising from 4 million last year to 31 million. These families will have to calculate their tax burdens twice, and pay taxes at the higher level. The AMT was created in 1969 to ensnare a handful of taxpayers.
Between the expiration of the Bush tax cuts and the implementation of Obamacare taxes, American households will have LESS to spend on consumption and savings, and that includes housing. We can safely say that housing consumption will not increase when this tsunami hits.
The AMT got me this year for the first time; in fact (to keep in on topic) because I bought a home. The RE taxes and MID pushed my deductions too high, and the AMT kicked in and leveled me back out.
Frankly, if I had a magic wand, I’d probably eliminate most of the legacy tax code and just leave the AMT (obviously with lower limits). It’s much easier to understand and deal with. Not too happy that I’m paying more tax (and REALLY unhappy that there are 2 systems, so I get to pay more for my preparation because my accountant does the same thing twice), but the AMT system seems more “reasonable” to me.
The good news, for those of us on this blog who think that the MID is terribly counterproductive (like me), encouraging people to borrow more and save less (saving taxed at normal income rates, borrowing deductible, WTF??), the AMT will eventually, if not indexed, make the MID disappear for most folks.
When the AMT gets me that would mean I no longer get an advantage in municipal bonds. That would then make me get a tax advantage in some other investment. If they get rid of my biggest tax break my whole career will change. I might join the 47%.
2Banana, you mean “when Americans prepare to file their tax returns for tax year 2013.” in January I am preparing (starting to gather tax forms from brokers, mutual fund families, my employer) for fiscal tax year 2012.
20% long term capital gains are stolen by the thugernment in 2014, not stolen in 2013.
A watched pot never boils (same comment applies to the doomsday fiscal cliff scenario…)
Once, when I was a little kid, I hid myself from a pot and secretly watched it (the water in the pot, not the pot itself) begin to boil.
So a watched pot WILL boil as long as the pot does not catch on that you are watching it.
OT: I happened across the following about a month ago, and find myself returning to it rather frequently. Affecting to say the least. Thought that several people here might like to see it as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKiBTSOWVZA
Re: “OT…”. What is the topic?
Nice, Common. Haunting, actually. Thanks.
Value is just another word for nothing more to lose ..he he .
“Value is just another word for nothing more to lose”
Wasn`t that a Janis Joplin song?
Yes . “Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose .”
I changed it a little bit .
We are indeed becoming more free in America then.
Here is my question:
If Dem also do what Repub do as a party as we saw in Obama’s 1st term, I think we as a country are screwed. What choice do the citizens really have? I don’t see how the parties differentaite at this point. Especially after the forst debate where Obama agreed to most of ROmneys stuff on economy and Soc Sec.
Are we really doomed as a country as we have sold our souls to the people who have information and are connected to the powerful.
“What choice do the citizens really have?”
Don’t throw away your vote on a D or R, vote 3rd party
Aside from PR, neither D nor R candidate appeals to me. From a PR standpoint neither candidate is saying anything to interest me. Obama’s going to win all the electoral votes in my state anyway by quite a few points. I’m not voting for Obama (fool me once,… fool me twice …) and I have absolutely no motivation to “reward” Rmoney by voting against my religious beliefs and economic interests and rational expectations of Rmoney’s policies based on past results. Only good can result if I vote Gary Johnson, so I will.
“we have sold our souls to the people who have …”
… almost all the money and all of the power. Just on that simple single line statement I can’t vote D or R and strongly encourage others not to.
You “philosophy” is compelling, but I think Misguided. You only have 2 choices. The Incumbent, or the Challenger. If you choose not to vote, you have not supported the Challenger, ergo, you accept the “status quo”.
A vote for Romney is a vote AGAINST Obama.
If you don’t like Obama, you should vote him out and give someone else a shot.
Elsewise, you get 4 more years of what you just had. Romney is a gamble, just like the promise of “hope and change”. Didn’t get it. Want more?
NO, thank you, I think not.
I don’t like Romney all that much, and Support Ron Paul. However, at this stage of the election, a vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama.
Don’t understand your logic at all. Maybe rephrase?
All the electoral votes for my state are going to “O” so there is no point in throwing my vote away on someone I oppose on most all issues, like Romney. Also I oppose Obama so I’m not throwing my vote away on him. Neither represents my socioeconomic culture/strata, neither is religiously tolerant nor represents my own religious views. The issues that interest me do not interest them At All. There’s no motivation for me to vote for either of them. From past experience it doesn’t matter which wins. Bush the 3rd or Carter the 2nd, doesn’t matter to me, they both are awful selections. I lived thru bush 1 and bush 2, I’m sure I’ll survive bush 3 aka gordon gekko incarnate. I lived thru carter 1st, carter 2nd complete with stagflation can be lived thru.
Shockingly I do happen to like most of what Gary Johnson stands for. He’s getting my meaningless vote. Its not like his platform is a secret. Any D or R strategist can trivially figure out how to gain my vote… if they want it. If they don’t, thats OK too. I’m not living under a government that represents me now, I’m sure living under an unrepresentative govt in the future will be about the same … not great, but “OK enough”.
Since ALL of the electoral votes in your State are going to the winning Candidate, you assume it to be Obama, and therefore, there is no need to vote.
I disagree. If everyone thinks like you, then that is what will happen. If enough people in your State are dissatisfied with Obama, you can get him OUT of Office by voting for Romney.
You Can’t get him out by voting for a 3rd party.
You will guarantee that Obama will win. 3rd parties kill the Challenger by diluting their votes.
You have 2 choices. Vote Romney or Re-elect Obama.
Any other vote is a vote for Obama.
If you listen to Mitt long enough, he’ll say something that appeals to you. However, if you keep listening, he’ll say something to negate that, to appeal to somebody else. He’s fickle that way.
“Don’t throw away your vote on a D or R, vote 3rd party”
+1 Indeed, my feelings too.
We’re not doomed, Martin, we’re simply evolving. What worked in the sparsely-populated agrarian seventeenth century needs tweaking to translate to a technologically oriented twenty-first — and our system allows for that.
A fully-rightest, or fully-leftist political agenda would result in civil war, hence the stasis towards center. All we can do is influence the issues. And as the $ooperPACs are discovering, money isn’t everything….
Question:
Would the RE bubble around the world ever deflate? I don’t see them bursting in China, Canada, Australia, India, Singapore, HK and the list goes on and on.
Would annother 4 years of Obama promote their bubbles further and also try to reinflate ours here.
Very depressing as reality never comes to picture and we’ll have to deal with 4 more years of nonsense prices. World prices affect me because I hate to see people in Asia and India who just buy and wake up after a month to see there property has increased by 20%. Most people are using loans and Governments are using printed money to keep it up.
I also want easy money unlike others around the world. Indians got a 14% average pay raise this year. I haven’t seen a single dollar go up in my salry in the past 6 years. Has USA really lost it? We have inflation too.
“I don’t see them bursting in China, Canada,”
You’re not paying attention.
It’s already burst in Australia.
Canada is lagging a little behind.
The big bang of Australia and China combined is gonna be epic!
Sadly, every single pay raise I’ve had over the past 7 years (except for basic COLA) has come from, in some way, getting leverage over my employer. Be it some specific knowledge; market visiblity, or the ability and willingness to leave and take a huge swath of the company with me; every single big raise has been with a gun pointed at my employer’s head. Not exactly how I’d prefer to do business, but, also, IMHO, kind of the new “way of the world” in business. Make sure you have some talent/skill or group of people that you can influence to leverage your way into higher salary brackets. Never, and I mean NEVER, has my employer come to me and said “You’re doing a great job, we’re going to give you a 30% pay bump”. I frankly, at least in big business, kind of think those days are over. It’s down to “show how much money you can make us. Then threaten to take that revenue stream away and we’ll talk”.
Basically, blackmailing the employer. Try to get them by balls.
In so many words, “Yes”. However, not in the most extreme sense of the word (like getting pictures of my boss with his secretary), more in line with the “if you don’t do XYZ, I’m going to leave, and I’m going to take ABC with me which accounts for $$$ in business”. It’s more “make them see the business value in keeping you” than it is just standard extortion.
That said, having been through it several times, I will say, it feels like blackmail. I sincerely wish they would come to me and say “You’ve got 5 people on your team, and cost us 1M dollars a year in salary; we make 10M in revenue and 5M in profit and would like to see what we can do to try to scale this business and make sure you guys are happy”. Unfortunately, seems that’s counter to the profit motive in business, I’m sure if they could figure out a way to do it without us, they would fire us all in a heartbeat. Thankfully, this field if very small and there’s no way to get another “ready built” team without poaching from a competitor, and, as I’m sure I would, a bidding war would break out between current and new employer.
I really think the most important thing today is to have a direct line between revenue and your job. “My job produces X dollars in revenue/profit and costs you Y”. The more “abstract” that relationship becomes, the more difficult it is to justify your salary. Hence, the generally terrible pay in HR departments, and, on the other hand, the totally outlandish pay in some sales organizations (we have a few sales reps that are well over 1M per year). The closer your link to revenue, the easier it is to leverage your position for salary/benefits/etc.
Btw, I was looking at the B-School prfessor salaries available online.
Looks like most of them tripled their salaries in the past 6-8 years. Fresh PhD students in FInance, Management etc. are getting starting salaries of $220K average for 9 months. Just mind boggling. These professors are comparing themselves to the the Industry top people. On the same hand, the teachers get crushed in schools.
This higher education seems to be in a massive bubble. Most of these profs feel so insecure that they apply for tenure and then can never get fired for life. What a cartel.
To me housing bubbles finish in one of two ways. The first is the burst, the second (and I think the preferred solution, at least for the powers that be) is they stagnant and over time inflation brings the cost of housing down.
Fresh PhD students in FInance, Management etc. are getting starting salaries of $220K average for 9 months.
Data, please?
Let’s see some hard numbers.
I don’t believe it.
And whatever you do, DO NOT buy housing right now.
should I back up the truck on stocks like FB instead? What if you need a roof over your head?
I am in my apartment I am renting in Phoenix. Okay, now I am looking up. Yep, there I a ceiling. Must be a roof above that. Rent!
I am in my apartment I am renting in Phoenix. Okay, now I am looking up. Yep, there is a ceiling. Must be a roof above that. Rent!
Bill scores a touchdown once again.
The video, which went viral in Greece last month, shows about 40 burly men, led by Giorgos Germenis, a politician with the right-wing Golden Dawn party, marching through a night market in the town of Rafina demanding that dark-skinned merchants show permits.
Some do, and they are left alone. But the action quickly picks up as the men, wearing black T-shirts with the party’s name, destroy a stall with clubs and scatter the merchandise.
”We saw a few illegal immigrants selling their wares,” Germenis says in the video. ”We did what Golden Dawn has to do. And now we’re going to church to pay our respects to the Madonna.”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/greeces-dawn-of-darkness-20121006-275w1.html#ixzz28cjvRMvW
Oh blech.
While I believe that Government has just become the pawn of BIG BUSINESS ,they are the ones that are taking your freedoms and powers and the price fixing monopolies and Bankers /Wall Street
,and Globalism . We are no longer a Country in which the
Constitution that is to protect the individual is applied ,and it’s more a Country in which the Money Power are calling the shots .
We don’t even have business borders anymore . Who ever got the idea that outsourcing and outmanufacturing our jobs with faulty
trade balances and tariffs and money flows going all over the world would float the boat of USA .
Its not a workable system for the worker in America because they
are losing their protections ,and the next step is for them to lose
their entitlements and wage wealth and buying power .Its not going to even get enough tax revenue .
The idea that the problem is that BIG GOVERNMENT wants a welfare STATE isn’t the problem . The problem is that the USA was job gutted and we do not have enough revenue to run the show anymore .So ,the rich and powerful want to choose the winners and losers and the losers are the people ,not them .
I respect Madonna, the “material girl” too!
Everybody knows that one of my big premises is that we have been taken over by a big huge monster called the Miltary/Industrial Complex which includes the Banks and Wall Street and the elite . The Politicians are making decision that serve their needs and profit margins and Globalism is their playground ,
The problem is that if those entities are the” Masters” to this degree , Main street America is left in the dust and more welfare is needed rather than less and unemployment and low paying jobs and less benefits reduce the cash flow and revenue in this Country .
In addition, if prices are based on price fixing monopolies,or bubbles created ,or Fed policies , outsourcing rather than on wages/benefits of the majority population,than the Majority population is just reduced to being at the mercy of these forces . Suggestions of Austerity and giving up as well as reduction of share given by these powerful Entities is designed to serve the Miltary/Global Industrial complex ,not the majority population . This is the main factor that is taking away the freedoms and mobility of people because it becomes a stacked and rigged deck ,rather than a concept of Big Government
verses little Government being the culprit . The mindset of these Powerful forces is that Government is to serve them and if big goverment increases their profit margins in terms of Government paying for expenses that benefits them ,than fine ,just don’t ask more of them .
A example : Private medical Insurance Companies didn’t want to
give insurance to older people at a reasonable rate ,so Government had to step in and create Medicare at the expense of Government . This allowed the profit takers to increase their profits by putting the higher claim potentials on the Government ,while they took the gravy
while they increasingly started to get rid of people with pre-existing conditions . So ,this is a perfect example of how Insurance Companies
put risk on the Government while they just wanted the greater
profits .So Medicare was a loss supplement to the Insurance Companies so they had more profit .Big Pharma grew as a result of the cash cow of Medicare , and insurance profits went higher .
Another example is all the Government programs that stimulate business ,but Government ends of with the ill effects of that stimulus
and mal-investment . Government bails out the folly of the greedy
Bankers and Wall Street and their stupid Ponzi schemes and casino games based on a notion that the TBTF would fail ,and we can’t have that .But we have TBTF powerful Corporations these days ,not only Banks and Investment firms . So Government is used as a vehicle for malinvestment ,or socialize the losses in whatever form that takes .
Its clear those entities and business Government wants to shore up and we forget how much money has gone to off set loss ,and how much Justice was denied and law changed or adjusted to bail out the Culprits . Millions of bad paper was dumped on Freddie and Fannie
and our whole economy was contorted by money printing and low interest rates to rescue the BIG MONEY SCHEMES .
It’s almost laughable that the PR machine is suggesting anything that
puts the loss on the back of the people ,and Austerity is something
that the people suffer ,not the BIG GUYS and the systems that are enriching them. The evidence is where the wealth is going .
And now when money is tight and tax revenue is low ,its the Government and the people who are to pay ,certainly not Big Business because they are entitled to their profits that end up in their pockets .if Government can’t pay ,than take it out of the hide of the people and raise their taxes or leave them out in the cold, enrich them only .
So you have guys like Romney in essence suggesting that giving Business less regulation and power and benefits and tax relief
is the pathway to prosperty and this will create 12 million high paying jobs ,while he wants to maintain a high military budget and take away peoples entitlements and drop social programs because the 47% are bums . As if the increase in food stamps isn’t due to the loss of jobs ,or wages that support the cost of living .
The evidence show that the Powers that rule have gutted the job and
manufacturing base in the USA ,they ruined the financal markets by their fraudulent lending schemes and required bails out in the trillions,that the taxes are suppose to pay for ,and they have reduced wages and benefits for the majority by using Global low wages as
the leverage ,while they maintain faulty trade balances and tariffs .
They would like you to believe that those darn worker people are
flakes and to demanding and how dare they take anything but what
they want to give them ,which is little and toxic . They don’t care if people have health insurance ,jobs ,or social nets ,that doesn’t benefit them in their minds ,in spite of the people being the consumers of products . They just want to raise the price of products and how people get the money is their problem .
It all about rigged decks for greater profit margins for them and less power or Government funds directed to the people ,unless it benefits them .
Money is power and the workers getting more isn’t their gameplan .
A Government for the Corporations and by the Corporations is what is taking the power of the people away ,and Politic today is the lobby system serving the rich and powerful while they BS the people .
So attacking BIG BIRD as being the Culprit is just part of the never ending attempt to keep the real talking points not being talked about .
Plus INFINITY
This is exactly what is happening/happened and so few realize it.
“…if prices are based on price fixing monopolies,or bubbles created ,or Fed policies , outsourcing rather than on wages/benefits of the majority population,than the Majority population is just reduced to being at the mercy of these forces…”
Silly me…I thought price fixing and monopolies were illegal under the Sherman Antitrust Act.
But I guess a law on the books which goes unenforced is about as useless as no law at all…
The way I see it, ther is ample opportunity to profit with the thugs running the nation. Buy GS stock.
NO JOY ON WALL STREET AS SIX BIGGEST U.S. BANKS EARN BILLIONS
Low leverage and returns on equity, new regulations bring fresh challenges to firms
By Max Abelson BLOOMBERG NEWS
12:01 a.m., Oct. 7, 2012
Updated 10:47 p.m. , Oct. 5, 2012
NEW YORK, NY - SEPTEMBER 20: People walk by a Bank of America branch in Times Square on September 20, 2012 in New York City. Bank of America Corp. has announced in a document to top management that it intends on getting rid of 16,000 jobs and to close 200 branches as the company continues its cost-cutting strategy. (Photo by Spencer Platt/Getty Images)
Four years ago, President George W. Bush signed into law the biggest corporate rescue in American history. Even as U.S. unemployment has remained above 8 percent for 43 months, the country’s biggest banks are making almost as much as they ever have.
The combined $63 billion in profit reported by the six largest U.S. lenders over the four quarters through June is more than they earned in any calendar year since the peak in 2006.
Bank of America made more in the 12-month period than Walt Disney Co. and McDonald’s combined. Citigroup, which like Bank of America took $45 billion in taxpayer funds, earned more than Caterpillar and Boeing. JPMorgan Chase, the largest U.S. bank by assets, had profits of more than $17 billion even after reporting a $5.8 billion trading loss.
Still, Wall Street isn’t enjoying its good fortune.
Those billions of dollars in profits aren’t enough, according to interviews with more than a dozen bank executives and analysts. The lowest leverage in a decade, return on equity at a third of 2006 levels, higher capital requirements, shares trading below book value, declining bonuses, job cuts, the European sovereign-debt crisis and a backlash against bankers have damped the joys of profit, they said.
Dick Kovacevich, who retired as chairman of Wells Fargo in 2009, was in the men’s dining room of his San Francisco country club in July after the bank reported a $4.6 billion second-quarter profit.
A man there spoke to him, and not to offer praise for the best results in the firm’s 160 years. “Wall Street was bailed out, and Main Street wasn’t,” he told Kovacevich, the 68-year-old banker said.
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I would say get all the money back from all those entities
and that will solve the deficit problem . I want at least 10 trillion from all these entities . I will allow them to pay it in a 10 year span of time and we will call it the ill-gotten gains tax .
If you don’t see this situation in terms of who took and is taking the money and running and leaving Main Street in
shambles ,look again .
But ,getting into their game just supports their game and feeds it . The Nation can’t become a bunch of stock investors or real estate flippers to survive, rather than production jobs with cost of living wages .
They lured the whole world into the easy credit debt game and raise real estate prices and decouple it from real wages to the ruin and need for a bail out of them .
They are masters at taking the money and running and leaving the damage to the Government and the people .
Now you got China screaming they want their loans back ,when they accumulated all this excess money by faulty tariffs and trade balances and giving us a bunch of junk that was overpriced for what it was anyway .But, it enriched the middlemen and it increased profit for the Multi-national Corporations .
The truth is that all the long term systems that were set up
here in America would of worked has they not been hijacked
by the one percenters and Powerful Corporations and Wall Street/Banks and Globalism used for their benefit .
Take for instance what BIG BUSINESS ,Wall Street/Banks have contributed in the last 12 years ,
(1) They got lower tax breaks .
(2) They got record profits
(3) They got Bail outs in the trillions
(4) They reduced wages and benefits for the worker class and they gutted a lot of jobs in favor of foreign cheaper labor and manufacturing and middlemen profits .
(5) They got free trade without penalty for taking jobs and cash flowand tax revenue outside the Country .
(6) They got lending Ponzi schemes and other casino games that
created bubbles and crashes ,but they took the money and ran and avoided justice and prosecution .
(7) CEO’s got record deals ,and Wall Street pimps got billions .
(8) Business got the money on the fake debt by people purchasing what they really couldn’t afford ,than the parties holding the bag got bailed out ( the lenders )
(9) They increased their bigness by mergers and crushing smaller competition ,which in part was the small business owners here in the United States .
(10) They set up a game in which if you can’t compete on a Global level in terms of lower wages ,than your toast .
(11) They transferred liability to the government for their crimes ,and they also expected the Government to take over on
entitlements they don’t want to pay,and they set the Government to take over entitlements when they go BK .
(12) They demanded Military protection for the Global games they play ,and they expect the police powers to protect them
first and foremost .
(13) They transferred the medical insurance burden to the Government by increasingly dropping benefits for employees or
raising their contribution ,another way to reduce wages ,yet leave a social need for health care ,also by gutting jobs .
(14) They forced government into paying for illegals medical needs ,not business that was using their low labor costs .
(15) They expect that taxes should fund schooling ,but Business benefits by this training . They expect Government to fund
roads ,bridges ,police , and military and all these public services that in large part make it possible for BIG BUSINESS to operate more sucessful ,but the people should pay for it .
(16) They play their casino games that raise prices and cash flow to malinvestment ,than short it right before it crashes .They use unsustainable leverage in their unregulated markets and they don’t even have the money to back their casino games .
(18) They price fix ,which has nothing to do with supply and demand or cost of living .
(17) They bribe the Politicians ,and now they are considered a individual by the recent High Court decision about Corporations . The lobby power is unheard of and it has nothing to do with what is good for the USA as a whole .
(18) They control and own the mainstreet media and brainwashing and supression of information is their method .
(19) They push for more laws that will in fact limit the people and their freedoms and give them more control .
(20) They don’t want a strong worker class ,nor do they care about social concerns or if grandmother has health care or social security . Profit making and power is the objective ,and no regulations put on them ,and giving them more freedom at the expense of the people is the idea .
(21) They want free rein to pollute ,give toxic products ,not be regulated to increase their profit margins at the expense of people . They don’t even want to be sueable anymore ,and their penalty for their crimes are lower than the profits they made . They will paper wave someone who sues them so Justice can’t be served .
(22) They have increasingly got the Regulatory agencies in their back pocket to the point where Regulatory agencies are their servent ,not the peoples ,or the peoples protection against
their foul play .
(23) They distract the public by taking the heat off themselves by never allowing the real talking points and blaming parties like Social Security recipants ,or deadbeats that have been priced out of health care thats 50% higher for those monopolies to get .
(24) They abberate the concept of the free market invisible hand,because the invisible hand is how to get the money to flow in their pocket with a stacked and rigged deck . But keep the American Dream concept going and blame the people for not being able to acheive it ,while they take away more and more opportunity to even have a chance at it .
(25) I could go on and on . But this is what has happened . Government for the Corporations and WALL STREET /Banks .Its not big Government that you should fear ,its who big government serves is what you should fear .
“Take for instance what BIG BUSINESS ,Wall Street/Banks have contributed in the last 12 years ,”
Not to take away from the corruption you mention, but how many people did they employ in the united states? I work for a large corporation, my sister and father work for large corporations, we all take home competitive salaries. Communism will not pay my bills.
I’m not saying that some Corporations didn’t employ some workers here in the United States at good wages . It’s all about the numbers you need to make the boat float and
the cash flow jive .
“…Communism will not pay my bills….”
It will when you’re an old fart and your corporation’s gone bankrupt. I can just hear you now, “Keep your commie hands off my Medicare! And where’s my Social Security check?!”
What do you think a corporation IS, anyway? Whether you care to see it that way or not, it’s a social construct that benefits all involved in proportion to the work of its laborers — that would be you and your family — with the “party” officials skimming the benefits and yes, “distributing” the wealth to all the “shareholders”.
Perspective, nicky. It’ll make your life a whole lot easier. This ain’t Hungary. Or Cuba. Or (shudder) the hellhole that is Sweden. You’re safe here — but for The Progressives.
PS. I don’t think that word means what you think it means in this country.
Corporate Communism and we distribute as we see fit ,or to the degree we can bribe the Politicians to stack the deck in our favor . A government apart from the needs of the people or the worker class or now the growing poverty class and unemployed class or low wage class .
You can’t have a economy in which only one third of the
people are protected ,and the rest austerity is imposed ,while at the same time a grand heist is pulled off
in which the lions share has gone to the top .
That movie FOUR HORSEMAN ( which I havent seen ) takes 27 best minds and thinkers and they speak the truth about what has happened here .The trailers and some of the reviews on that Documentary points to us being Controlled by Corporations and big business and Insurance/ Banks/Wall Street and their money schemes and ability to control everything now ,including were bail outs will go ,and never mind the rule of law anymore ,that’s only for the little people .
“It will when you’re an old fart and your corporation’s gone bankrupt.”
Thanks for outing yourself as a communist, saves me the trouble. I believe in and embrace capitalism, you (and others like you) on the other hand enjoy all of the capitalist system’s benefits while working to facilitate it’s demise.
A balanced system of free market capitalism and responsible governments has created the most productive and prosperous country the world has ever seen. It’s time for the all or nothing crowd on both sides to crawl back into their holes and let the rest of us work within our system to keep this country moving forward.
Put true communism on the ballot and see how many votes you get, less than the libertarians would be a safe guess.
What are the current capitalism benefits that are benefiting the majority population now ,verses whatever has taken place before .
“…Thanks for outing yourself as a communist,…”
Insanus omnis furere credit ceteros.
Computer question, folks. My computer has a new version of Java that it keeps wanting to install. Polly said something about a version of Java that might be virus-laden, so I’ve been refusing the install for a couple weeks. My internet has been pausing a bit and I wonder if that’s because it needs the Java update. How do I know if the version of Java I have is safe, and should I install it?
Go to http://www.java.com and it will detect what you need - just install that.
It wasn’t virus laden, it had a vulnerability that was being exploited. The problem was fixed a day or two after I posted the original links.
At least the sad news about declining San Diego incomes is offset by the happy news that San Diego real estate is going up again.
Cue up the MSM sob stories about a lack of affordable housing in San Diego County…
P.S. Our family’s income easily dropped by over 11% since the onset of the Great Recession, in nominal terms alone, and worse in real terms (e.g. factoring in a huge increase in gasoline prices and other essentials), as free lance opportunities which were readily available to me in the mid-2000s have dried up. Luckily we’ve never lived paycheck-to-paycheck, and didn’t make the mistake of buying a home before the housing bubble popped.
INCOMES DROP ACROSS MOST INDUSTRIES
Wage cuts, higher benefit premiums, lower pay for new workers contribute to fall in county
Written by Elizabeth Aguilera
12:01 a.m., Oct. 7, 2012
Updated 11:34 p.m. , Oct. 5, 2012
Workers’ inflation-adjusted earnings in most of the county’s largest industries were lower last year than in 2007, and the sectors that did not suffer declines saw only modest growth, according to the Center on Policy Initiatives in San Diego.
These findings among the region’s 15 biggest industries reflect the continued effects of the Great Recession and the slow economic recovery since then.
In analyzing U.S. Census Bureau data from the 2011 American Community Survey, the center also said lagging earnings contributed to the county’s 3 percent decline in median household income from 2010 through last year. The drop from 2007 through 2011 was 11.1 percent.
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Detroit.
The table that accompanies this story shows an interesting contrast in housing-related industries. While construction employment in San Diego County fell by 39.1% from 2007-11, median earnings fell only 4.7%.
By contrast, ‘real estate & rental and leasing’ saw a 0.8% decline in employment coupled with a 24.8% drop in median earnings.
Both industries were hammered, but the workers who survived the cuts in construction employment saw relatively little drop in earnings compared to those in the sales end of real estate.
Is the point of a short sale to give the lender the opportunity to cherry-pick the bid distribution?
Why not just require that all homes for sale be listed on the MLS, instead of legally allowing lenders to price discriminate?
SHORT SALES ON THE MOVE
Lenders and Freddie Mac offering expedited relief to distressed homeowners
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Written by Lily Leung
12:01 a.m., Oct. 7, 2012
Updated 11:16 p.m. , Oct. 5, 2012
San Diego County’s level of housing distress took a pivotal turn this year. Short sales, once rare deals in the real estate world, now make up a bigger share of the residential market compared with foreclosed homes that have been resold.
Short sales allow homeowners who can’t afford their mortgages to sell their homes for less than what they still owe, as long as the lender says OK. One in five homes resold in the county were short sales, based on August numbers from local real estate tracker DataQuick. Compare that with single-digit percentages seen while the housing bubble began to percolate in 2007.
Short sales are expected to become even more common and easier to close as Freddie Mac, which owns or guarantees a sizable chunk of mortgages in California, will make it easier for borrowers to complete them starting next month. Borrowers will see that the process is considerably shorter and that it will leave less of a financial black mark on their credit histories.
Already boosting the number of short sales is a $25 billion mortgage deal between the nation’s biggest banks and 49 states that settled foreclosure abuse allegations and was signed earlier this year. The agreement essentially forces banks to do more short sales and provide relief to borrowers on expedited terms. Some banks are even offering cash as incentives to get more people to short sell.
“Banks are really motivated to do short sales,” said Matt Battiata, who owns Del Mar-based Battiata Real Estate. “… Banks have decided and learned over the last several years that short sales are a much better way to mitigate loss.”
The end result appears to be good for the housing market.
The increase in short sales means a more dynamic real estate market, fewer losses for banks and increased chances that short sellers could buy homes again after a shorter hiatus.
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“Is the point of a short sale to give the lender the opportunity to cherry-pick the bid distribution?”
It’s to widen the audience to more than those that only have cash (banks can accept offers from people who have debt).
Also, it’s to encourage people to keep from trashing the house (if a short sale goes through, credit heals faster than with foreclosure).
KENNETH HARNEY NATION’S HOUSING
STAKES HIGH IN LAME-DUCK CONGRESSIONAL SESSION
By Union-Tribune
12:01 a.m., Oct. 7, 2012
Updated 8:22 p.m. , Oct. 5, 2012
Though the news spotlight has been on the presidential debates and the Nov. 6 elections, a more pressing personal issue for large numbers of homeowners across the country involves the lame-duck congressional session scheduled to begin Nov. 13.
Along with the federal budget, billions in tax increases, draconian spending cuts and efforts to avoid the “fiscal cliff” looming Dec. 31, the lame-duck session is expected to answer what’s estimated to be a multibillion-dollar question for housing: Will Congress renew the mortgage debt forgiveness tax provisions for owners whose mortgage lenders agree to write off portions of their debt, either as part of loan modifications, foreclosures, short sales or deeds-in-lieu of foreclosure? Without an extension, borrowers who receive reductions in principal next year would be hit with federal income taxes at their regular marginal rates on the amounts forgiven.
The lame-duck session also will have to deal with a slew of other real estate-related issues including write-offs for mortgage insurance premiums, tax benefits for homeowners who install energy-saving improvements, tax credits for builders of energy-efficient new houses, and extension of current relief for middle-income taxpayers from the alternative minimum tax (AMT), among others.
While President Obama, Republican challenger Mitt Romney and most members of Congress have been campaigning, staffs of key House and Senate tax and finance committees — along with hordes of lobbyists — have been working out game plans for the lame-duck session.
One key piece of strategy: Could the Family and Business Tax Cut Certainty Act of 2012 — which passed the Senate Finance Committee in August and includes mortgage forgiveness relief and other housing-related tax extensions along with AMT relief, research and development tax credits and dozens of other targeted tax benefits — be treated as a stand-alone bill? If not, there’s a strong risk of it getting caught up in the much larger partisan fights over spending, the federal debt ceiling and the whole fiscal cliff debate.
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“…a more pressing personal issue for large numbers of homeowners across the country involves…”
I call bullshit on the notion that ‘homeowners’ are a some kind of protected political class. This is the kind of muddle-headed thinking that supports the federal housing policies that led to the housing bubble and subsequent collapse.
Thank you!
“…a more pressing personal issue for large numbers of homeowners across the country involves…”
Let me translate this into English:
“…a more pressing personal issue for large numbers of Realtors(tm) that pay for our advertising without which I wouldn’t have a job involves…”
The criminal alliance between the press(advertising departments) and realtors results in the worst kind of pandering dripping in sanctimonious bull$hit.
SAN DIEGO GAS PRICES BREAK RECORD REFINERY WOES ADD TO PAIN AT GAS PUMP
Written by Jonathan Horn
12:01 a.m., Oct. 7, 2012
Updated 7:23 p.m. , Oct. 6, 2012
There has never been this much pain at the pump.
Gas prices in San Diego County reached a record high Saturday, at $4.674 for a gallon of regular fuel, according to the AAA Daily Fuel Gauge Report.
At some stations, a gallon of gas costs more than $5. The previous record was $4.63 on June 19, 2008.
Gas prices jumped quickly during the week — including 19 cents overnight from Thursday to Friday — after Exxon Mobil’s Torrance refinery lost production because of a power outage. That outage was on top of other refinery problems in the state. Those events earlier in the week caused a spike in an already volatile market.
And it’s not going to let up just yet. Prices are expected to rise over the next few days even though the Torrance refinery has resumed operations. Relief could come next week, when prices are expected to stabilize.
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“Pain at the pump…”
It sounds like QE3 is working well!
Pain in the wallet.
There is a run on gas because of a perceived shortage of the stuff and this run causes an actual shortage of the stuff which will peak out right after everyone’s gas tanks have peaked out.
Does anyone here believe people will drive MORE if the cost of gas is more? Anyone?
If everyone has a full tank of expensive gas and they do not want to spend any more money buying any more expensive gas then they will curtail their driving. And if everyone curtails their driving then the the consumption of gas will fall and so will the price.
BTW, this is a good example of a market driven by fundamentals rather than one driven by price.
People curtail their long-term buying of gas because the price of gas goes up (but they may increase their short-term buying so to keep their gas tanks topped out). What a logical thing to do in a fundamentally-driven market.
But in a price-driven market people will increase their buying as the price goes up. People went nuts and bought houses - several of them at one time in many cases - because of what? Because the price of houses went up. This is an illogical thing to do in a fundamentally-driven market but it makes perfect sense in a price-driven market because, in a price-driven market. Price equals Value.
It does, it really and truly does … until it doesn’t.
“BTW, this is a good example of a market driven by fundamentals rather than one driven by price.”
I agree with you to a point, but it is more valid at Costco than at the service stations which sell products for the oligopoly oil companies…
There was a small explosion at the refinery in Saint John NB the other day and that apparently was one of the causes of the oil price spike. In NB it went up 7 cents a litre from last week (government controls the price, but they just set them based on the New York Harbor price or some such stat)
$3.59 per gallon in my part of Phoenix this morning. Also by 2016 the Arizona long term capital gain tax will be reduced 25% to the 3.5% rate. California’s rudely is your ordinary state income tax rate.
It is a beautiful October morning in Ahwatukee, clean smooth roads, consistent architecture. Uh oh, lots of HOAs here…
Suggest the bear clan in becoming full time residents in Arizona or Nevada (183 days a year) and vacation in San Diego for 182 days a year.
“Suggest the bear clan in becoming full time residents in Arizona or Nevada (183 days a year) and vacation in San Diego for 182 days a year.”
That may work for those w/o kids in HS…we will be tied down for another six years, then all options are open.
“It is a beautiful October morning in Ahwatukee, clean smooth roads, consistent architecture.”
How about “no alleys, and buried power utilities?”
The Torrance incident is a half mile from my office window there. I took a picture of the big burnoff flame from my office window last week. They had burnoffs three days in a row, which was unusual.
I realize the Torrance shutdown is served up as the proximate cause of high gas prices, but note that w/o QE, (dollar-denominated) oil price would be nowhere near as high enough to support gasoline north of $4.50/g.
Gas prices in my area have dropped.
This proposal makes a hell of a lot more sense than the current special tax deduction for mortgage interest. If you want to provide Americans with a tax break, why not also give them the freedom to choose how to spend it?
The folly of dumping so much federal money into housing should be obvious to everyone by now; glad at least one of the two candidates is moving away from the policies which led to the epic housing crash.
Mitt Romney suggests cutting mortgage interest deduction on eve of presidential debate
Published: October 2, 2012 7:16 PM
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Republican presidential candidate and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, accompanied by Sen. Rob Portman, R-Ohio, shakes hands with a worker as he makes an unscheduled stop at a Chipotle restaurant in Denver. (Oct. 2, 2012)
DENVER - Offering deficit-cutting ideas before his first debate with President Barack Obama, Mitt Romney says he might be willing to reduce income tax deductions used by millions of families for home mortgage interest and health care costs.
He suggested the changes could be part of a plan that includes a 20 percent cut in tax rates across the board, continuation of upper income tax cuts that Obama wants to end and a comprehensive tax overhaul plan that the Republican presidential contender has so far declined to flesh out in detail. Romney says his overall plans would invigorate the slowly recovering U.S. economy.
Both Romney and Obama spent their time mostly in private on Tuesday, preparing for the debate, the president in Henderson, Nev., near Las Vegas, Romney already in Denver where the faceoff will take place Wednesday at 9 p.m. EDT. Neither held public campaign events, but Obama took a break from preparation to visit nearby Hoover Dam, and Romney picked up lunch at a Chipotle Mexican Grill near his hotel.
In an interview Monday night with Denver TV station KDVR, Romney said, “As an option you could say everybody’s going to get up to a $17,000 deduction. And you could use your charitable deduction, your home mortgage deduction, or others — your health care deduction, and you can fill that bucket, if you will, that $17,000 bucket that way. And higher income people might have a lower number.”
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Ok, so now its a idea of having a flat deducation rate ,rather than a flat tax . A progressive flat deduction cap , or one deduction rate for all ?
Mitt Romney says he might be willing to reduce income tax deductions used by millions of families for home mortgage interest and health care costs.
I wonder how that’s going to fly with all of my neighbors with the 500K+ Golf Course facing houses, the ones with the Romney/Ryan signs in their yards.
This was expected. The new tax code will shift the burden from the wealthy to the middle and upper middle class. Boy, aren’t they gonna be in for a surprise!
Vote Romney!
Of course some how and some way the idea is to tax the middle class and upper middle class and the poverty class more . With out any regard to demand side economics ,this is the game plan because it has to come from somewhere ,but certainly not from the hijackers of America . On top of that the cost of living is going to go up for the classes mentioned above ,while at the same time no raise in wages will offset this rise .Talk about the upper crust and powerful monopoly Corporations wanting government to keep their profit margins in tack ,while leaving
the people powerless and going downhill .
Realtors are Psychics
No Beavis…she said you were psychO!
“If you’re not a cartoon,
Stove gass will kill you.”
Beavis & Butthead
Europe Seeks to Contain Spanish Troubles as Finance Chiefs Meet
By Patrick Donahue - Oct 7, 2012 3:01 PM PT
European officials will move to prevent Spain from dragging the single currency into a new round of convulsions this week as a series of high-level meetings aim to ease the three-year-old European debt crisis.
“It feels as if we are in for a month or so of Spanish trouble,” Erik Nielsen, London-based chief global economist at UniCredit SpA (UCG), wrote in a note yesterday. Nielsen cited the risk that Spain will wait too long to request financial assistance and that a rescue package will be badly designed.
A month after European Central Bank President Mario Draghi unveiled a plan to gain the upper hand through central-bank bond purchases, handing the burden of crisis resolution over to European governments, leaders have yet to agree on a blueprint for rescue conditions and centralized bank supervision.
Finance ministers from the 17-member euro area will discuss issues including Spain at 5 p.m. in Luxembourg; ministers from all 27 nations in the European Union will meet the next day. EU leaders gather for a summit in Brussels the following week on Oct. 18-19.
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With the Fed and QE3, Wall Street investors can rest assured: The stock market will always go up from here, no matter how terrible the earnings picture turns out.
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October 7, 2012 5:03 pm
‘Worst US quarterly earnings since 2009’
By Anora Mahmudova and Michael Mackenzie in New York
The slowdown in the global economy and anaemic US recovery is expected to result in one of the worst US quarterly earnings seasons since late 2009.
Analysts expect earnings for the period ended September to decline, the first negative result after 11 consecutive quarters of gains.
Energy and materials companies are tipped to lead the downturn with the financial sector set to be one of the few bright spots.
Wall Street analysts expect third-quarter earnings per share for S&P 500 companies will fall 2.7 per cent versus the same quarter a year ago, according to FactSet. Just three months ago analysts had forecast growth of 1.9 per cent.
In the past three months, warnings from large companies about reduced full-year profits due to global economic weakness fuelled this pessimistic view.
FedEx and UPS, often seen as barometers for world economic health, cut their full-year guidance during their last earnings releases, citing the slowdown in global trade.
In August, talking to the Financial Times, the chief executive of Caterpillar, bellwether of the industrial economy, warned of the greater uncertainty about global growth, predicting it could take another five years before Europe’s economy begins to grow.
Jeff Kleintop, chief market strategist at LPL Financial, said: “We expect corporate profits will be negative and revenues soft, as the global slowdown and below average economic growth in the US has affected companies.”
The earnings season starts with Alcoa reporting on Tuesday, followed by JPMorgan and Wells Fargo on Friday.
However, downbeat earnings expectations are yet to weigh on the broad market with the S&P 500 up more than 16 per cent so far this year. Stock prices are being supported by the Federal Reserve buying large amounts of bonds, which lowers interest rates and boosts the attractiveness of riskier assets such as equities.
“If we see that the markets do not correct even after earnings disappoint and guidance gets worse, then it will be clear that fundamentals have given way to the Fed,” said Quincy Krosby, market strategist at Prudential Financial.
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Bloomberg News
Japan’s China Row May Spur GDP Fall This Quarter
By Andy Sharp on October 07, 2012
Japan’s territorial spat with China may cause the Japanese economy to contract this quarter and hasten a current account slide as exports decline and Chinese tourism to Japan drops off, according to a JPMorgan report.
The dispute will knock 0.8 percentage point off Japan’s gross domestic product in the October-December period, JPMorgan Securities Japan Co. economists Masaaki Kanno and Masamichi Adachi wrote in an e-mailed note yesterday. They now estimate fourth-quarter GDP will contract 0.8 percent from the previous quarter, compared with a previous estimate of no growth.
The squabble over islands claimed by Asia’s two largest economies imperils a $340 billion trade relationship ahead of China’s power transition and a possible general election in Japan this year. Carmakers are hardest hit, with Mazda Motor Corp. (7261) deliveries in China last month falling 35 percent.
“As its global role has increased, China has become much more important in Japan’s international trade,” Kanno and Adachi wrote. “While there remains a lot of uncertainty ahead and the risk of the dispute escalating cannot be ruled out, we assume that it will diminish in two quarters under the new governments in both countries.”
The worst diplomatic crisis between the two countries since 2005 may also accelerate a deterioration in Japan’s current account surplus, the JPMorgan economists said, predicting the excess could disappear before the end of 2014. This compares with its estimate in January that the nation would begin posting a deficit in the first quarter of 2015.
Exports Fall
Japan’s exports fell 5.8 percent in August from a year earlier, the third straight monthly decline, with shipments to China, its largest trading partner, dropping 9.9 percent and those to the European Union slumping 22.9 percent.
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Global DOWn
Oct. 7, 2012, 8:53 p.m. EDT
Asia stocks slip despite U.S. jobs data
By Sarah Turner, MarketWatch
SYDNEY (MarketWatch) — Asian stocks sagged early Monday, with commodity-related firms losing ground after a mixed finish on Wall Street Friday despite an upbeat U.S. nonfarm jobs report.
South Korea’s Kospi (KR:SEU -0.73%) slipped 0.4%, while Australia’s S&P/ASX 200 Index (AU:XJO -0.31%) traded down 0.1%.
Japanese markets were closed for a holiday on Monday, but mainland Chinese markets were set to reopen following a week-long closure for the Golden Week holidays.
Wall Street ended mixed on Friday after an early rally related to jobs data, which showed that 114,000 jobs were added to the U.S. economy in September and the jobless rate fell to 7.8% gave way to caution ahead of the start of earnings season.
Gold and other metals settled lower in New York on Friday after the U.S. jobs data dented expectations of more monetary easing measures. Read more on metals.
“Friday’s unexpectedly large fall in the U.S. unemployment rate — to a three-and-a-half year low of 7.8% — rattled Treasuries and gold, while providing a further fillip to the prices of riskier assets,” noted strategists at Capital Economics.
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Germany says Merkel visit to Athens does not mean aid for Greece
BERLIN | Sun Oct 7, 2012 1:25pm EDT
(Reuters) - German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble said on Sunday that Chancellor Angela Merkel’s trip to Greece this week did not mean the debt-stricken country would receive the next tranche of aid from its bailout.
“The chancellor will not discuss with Greece a matter which the troika must report on first,” Schaeuble told broadcaster ZDF in an interview, referring to the “troika” of the International Monetary Fund, European Commission and European Central Bank.
Greece is stuck in tough negotiations with “troika” inspectors over a new wave of budget cuts for the next two years, a condition for getting an installment of the 130 billion euro bailout that is keeping the country afloat.
“Greece must fulfill its obligations for the next tranche to be paid,” said Schaeuble.
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More people must go hungry and homeless before we give you more money to give the banks.