“The night of 13-14 October 1942 was known simply as “The Night” to the Americans who lived through it………marked the nadir of the campaign for the Allies.”
“Determined to knock out Henderson Field and protect their soldiers landing west of Koli Point, the enemy commanders sent the battleships “Kongo” and “Haruna” into Ironbottom Sound to bombard the Marine positions. The usual Japanese flare planes heralded the bombardment, 80 minutes of sheer hell which had 14 inch shells (973 rounds)exploding with such effect, that the accompanying cruiser fire was barely noticed. No one was safe. No place was safe. No dugout had been built to withstand 14 inch shells.
One witness…opined that there was nothing worse than helplessly being on the receiving end of naval gunfire. He remembered “…huge trees being cut apart, and flying around like toothpicks.”
The airfield and it’s environs were a shambles when dawn broke. The shelling …..had left General Geiger with a handful of aircraft still flyable …..and a death toll of 41 (including the squadron commander executive officer and all of the Section leaders of a newly arrived dive bomber squadron VMSB-141, and 26 out of 29 of their aircraft).
Then again, had Wiemar Germany not been backed into a corner and bankrupted with reparation payments, Hitler would never have risen to power. Fortunately we learned that lesson and helped our former enemies after the war rather than subjugate them, a wise move that paid off.
Unfortunately, they were hell bent on conquering China and allying with Nazi Germany so cut off their scrap metal supply. Which really pissed them off.
Will The Election Results Cause Massive Riots To Erupt All Over America?
“Will the most divisive campaign in modern American history culminate in massive riots in our major cities? Right now, supporters of Barack Obama and supporters of Mitt Romney are both pinning all of their hopes on a victory on November 6th. The race for the presidency is extremely tight, and obviously the side that loses is going to be extremely disappointed when the election results are finalized. But could this actually lead to violence? Could we actually see rioting in communities all over America? Well, the conditions are certainly ripe for it.
The election is nearly four weeks away, and many Obama supporters are already threatening to riot if Obama loses. The following are some very disturbing messages that were posted on Twitter recently that have been reposted on Twitchy.com….
“If Romney wins I’m Starting a Riot….Who’s WIT ME???”
“I Hope The USA Is Well Aware That If In The Event This Character Romney Wins The Election, The People Will Start A Country Wide Riot! #Power”
“If Romney is elected president, its gon be a riot its gon be a riot.”
“If ROMNEY GETS IN THE WHITE HOUSE …U MIGHT AS WELL KILL ME NOW …..CAUSE ITS GONNA BE A ************ RIOT !!!”
“If Romney became President and took away welfare Downtown Cincinnati would become a riot”
“If Romney takes away food stamps 2 Chainzz in this bit IMMA START A RIOT”
“If Romney wins. (which i highly doubt) THERE WILL BE A RIOT—”
The following are a few more tweets that I found which threaten a potential riot if Obama loses the election….
From @joecools_world….
“Need 2 come up wit a game plan if Romney win…. Riot all thru Newark”
From @killacate….
“I swear on everything I love if Romney wins ima riot. I don’t even care if its just me.”
I think not. Every four years, people freak out, and every four years, people seem to be more relieved that the election is over than anything. You need to have a minimum number of rioters to have a riot and I don’t think the density is high enough, unlike sports fans or college kids.
Our biggest hope is for a replay of Florida 2000 here in Colorado because of a few thousand Gary Johnson voters. The Long Hot Summer, coming this November
If I recall correctly, the last time people rioted after a US Presidential election, it was in Dade County, FL, and the participants were all wearing button-down shirts and leather shoes. And had been flown down from DC especially for the event….
This makes the wild assumption that riots will only happen if their side loses. I would think decades of experience with sports fans and college students shows that the riots after a win are about as bad as the riots after a loss.
Either way, they’ll be guns shot in the air, a couple burning couches, maybe flip a couple cop cars… thats probably about it.
Another huge problem is weather. Nation wide riots? Sure, as long as you define nation wide as south of the mason dixon line. The weather outdoors is stereotypically pretty miserable outdoors up north. “Come on rioters, wait for me to get there, I gotta put on my snow pants and moon boots, and where’s my mittens”.
Then you add in the difficulty that the ideal spot for a riot would be in front of the opposition’s headquarters, but on election day all the ring leaders need to be out in the distant precincts stuffing ballot boxes.
Old people vote. Young rioters, no. I can just imagine the 55+ retirement community going nuts and old guys smashing windows and hauling away cartons of Depends.
Finally most people are content that their vote doesn’t count. My state’s electoral votes are all going “O”… I’m not throwing my vote away on a D or an R I’m voting for Johnson and I’m hardly going to riot.
I can just imagine the 55+ retirement community going nuts and old guys smashing windows and hauling away cartons of Depends.
Don’t give them any ideas. The type of protest that worries me is the one when every 70+ collectively decides to protest by driving their cars for a couple of hrs.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 11:06:44
Doesn’t matter. There is nothing major at stake in the election outcome, and a large part of the electorate (particularly the least educated, most riot-prone part) is mostly oblivious, anyway.
Will The Election Results Cause Massive Riots To Erupt All Over America?
Not likely.
Now, if food stamps were eliminated, then maybe. But we know that won’t happen, no matter who wins. The Tea Partiers are confident this will happen if their guy wins, but we all know that it won’t. If anything, food stamp usage will continue to increase (like it did under Bush). As others have said, food stamps exist to protect the elite, not the poor. They know that $100B isn’t a lot to spend to keep the natives at ease.
The most extreme thing that is even remotely realistic is for food stamps to be combined with a few other programs and block granted to the states with no requirements that they actually use them for food stamps. Even that is highly unlikely.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 11:48:37
Can food stamps still be traded for cash, that the trader can then use to purchase drugs or alcohol? (This was the situation a couple of decades back, the last time I paid any attention…)
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Comment by goon squad
2012-10-14 12:09:21
They are mostly administered as an EBT (electronic benefits transfer) card, not as paper stamps. Cards can be “borrowed” or “lost” in exchange for cash.
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-10-14 14:25:13
“Can food stamps still be traded for cash”
Tide is as good as cash/gold (and more useful!)
GRIME WAVE
It’s a dirty job: Police nationwide take on soaring Tide detergent theft
By M.L. Nestel Monday, March 12, 2012
The Daily
Theft of Tide detergent has become so rampant that authorities from New York to Oregon are keeping tabs on the soap spree, and some cities are setting up special task forces to stop it. And retailers like CVS are taking special security precautions to lock down the liquid.
One Tide taker in West St. Paul, Minn., made off with $25,000 in the product over 15 months before he was busted last year.
“That was unique that he stole so much soap,” said West St. Paul Police Chief Bud Shaver. “The name brand is [all] Tide. Amazing, huh?”
Tide has become a form of currency on the streets. The retail price is steadily high — roughly $10 to $20 a bottle — and it’s a staple in households across socioeconomic classes.
Tide can go for $5 to $10 a bottle on the black market, authorities say. Enterprising laundry soap peddlers even resell bottles to stores.
“There’s no serial numbers and it’s impossible to track,” said Detective Larry Patterson of the Somerset, Ky., Police Department, where authorities have seen a huge spike in Tide theft. “It’s the item to steal.”
Well…they do need things from a few people. But all the face to face and critical maintenance stuff can be handled by a few wannabes who look and act just like them and everything else can be sourced from virtual slaves far away who will work for subsistence wages.
‘Obama supporters are already threatening to riot’
If they are using the internet, their IPs have been flagged. Maybe these ’supporters’ should have spent a little more time standing up to the police state apparatus that Obama has boosted. I have no idea if riots will occur, but as we saw with the Occupy protests, even large gatherings won’t be tolerated for long.
Anyway, I thought the Obama campaign had this one in the bag?
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 15:33:49
Well, you saw first hand how the Ron Paul supporters were squashed in Arizona.
I see no reason why the Republican political apparatus couldn’t use similar tactics to smash Obama support. I see evidence right here on the HBB every time 2-ti-fruitti posts.
Black propaganda is false information and material that purports to be from a source on one side of a conflict, but is actually from the opposing side. It is typically used to vilify, embarrass or misrepresent the enemy.
wikipedia
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 15:40:34
I take the propaganda as a serious threat to the open political process which helped make America unique in the history of nation building. We have reached a point where money flows buy the services of individuals who pretend to represent independent political voices, but who are in fact paid prostitutes for political power block which represents the interests of a small extremely wealthy minority. Some of these individuals post repeatedly right here on the HBB.
Unfortunately, propaganda messages repeated often enough turn into a semblance of truth in the minds of a poorly-educated citizenry.
money flows buy the services of individuals who pretend to represent independent political voices, but who are in fact paid prostitutes for political power block which represents the interests of a small extremely wealthy minority.
Concentration of wealth in the hands of the few is detrimental to democracy.
Armando is coming to town. I will be attending for the course. I have nothing to lose…I am going to stop being an average, eliminate debt and make money.
Tease (but you seriously want to read the whole thing - trust me on this):
But perhaps the most telling anecdote is from early October 2008, when Henry M. Paulson Jr., the Treasury secretary, summoned Ms. Bair to his office. No reason was given for the meeting. When she arrived, Ben S. Bernanke, the Federal Reserve chairman, was already there. Timothy F. Geithner, then the president of the New York Fed, was on the phone.
Handed a piece of paper, Ms. Bair saw that she had been ambushed. It was a script, prepared for her by the Treasury and the Fed, stating that the F.D.I.C. was moving to guarantee all the liabilities in the financial system. Astonishingly, the guarantee would cover all bank depositors and even protect unsecured claims against institutions. In short, the F.D.I.C. was being asked to back “everybody against everything in the $13 trillion banking system,” Ms. Bair writes.
Dumbfounded, she told the men she had to discuss the plan with the F.D.I.C. board. Over a few days, they came up with a better, less costly plan.
If she had gone along, Ms. Bair said in an interview last week, “everyone who held bank debt would have immediately gotten a windfall profit,” as their bonds and other bank securities rose in value on the F.D.I.C. backing. “Of course, I wasn’t going to do that,” she adds, “and we ended up with a program that only guaranteed the renewal of expiring debt, which is where the problem was. And we charged a fee.”
Ms. Bair didn’t know it at the time, but this was the first of many situations when the Treasury and the Fed hoped to leave the F.D.I.C. holding the bag. She objected as often as she could, viewing these moves as attempts to assign responsibility for egregious behavior to hundreds of smaller institutions that did nothing to bring about the crisis.
Dems finally go bonkers
NY Post | October 14, 2012 | MICHAEL GOODWIN
The Democratic Party has lost its mind and its way. Its political philosophy of inclusion and progress has been consumed by virulent strains of anger, dishonesty and intolerance. Its leaders don’t just want to win an election; they want to silence any American who disagrees with them.
Consider the latest evidence.
The White House, on defense over the assassination of our Libyan ambassador after Washington reduced security, launched a frantic search for a scapegoat. It first blamed protests over an anti-Muslim video and, when forced to admit the protests never existed, pointed fingers at intelligence officials and managers in the State Department. Watch your back, Hillary.
A campaign aide, with a straight face, also insisted that the terrorist attack is an issue only because Republicans politicized it. The buck doesn’t stop at this president’s desk.
A desperate Obama resorts to calling his opponent a “liar,” and his latest promise is to preserve taxpayer subsidies for public television’s cash cow, Big Bird. The tactic is denounced even by supporters as more cartoonish than the giant yellow canary. No matter — it’s a victory because another day passes without discussion of jobs, the debt, deficit or Iran.
They actually applaud that Biden’s interruptions — more than 100 of them — prevented any sustained, serious discussion. To hell with America, party comes first.
Despite Biden’s assertion that “facts matter,” they didn’t to him. Catholic bishops insist he misstated the terms of ObamaCare’s contraception mandate on their institutions. And although he was patently dishonest about his own votes on Iraq and Afghanistan, no Dem complained because they loved his venomous attacks on Ryan. As reader David Zukerman put it, “To see or hear Biden is to understand that, for the hard left, reality is a function of expression, and to understand, further, why there is an absence of any bipartisan spirit in Washington.”
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Western Europe has gone 65 years without a war, so the European Union gets a Nobel Peace Prize. That’s cool — if it comes with a “claw-back” provision. Chances are rising peace won’t hold once the EU runs out of other people’s money.
Revolutions happen to overthrow governments. As long as the ballot box is there, they have non violent options.
If anyone will threaten “violence” it will be the banksters, with their demands for austerity. If the Spaniards become desperate enough, they might just turn the country over to the communists. And while that will be bad for the people, it will be even worse for the bankers.
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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 12:03:00
Bailouts for the banksters, austerity for the masses.
Why would this kind of policy spark riots? Sounds perfectly fair to me…
Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-14 14:18:38
Our neighbors south of the border have rejected the PAN and restored the PRI to power, hoping that an end to their austerity will help stem the tide of violence that has overwhelmed their nation since the pro-big-biz PAN took over 12 years ago.
A desperate Obama resorts to calling his opponent a “liar,”
According to the NY Post?
What is so “desperate” about pointing out the truth? Romney is a liar - much more so than even most politicians. The first day of the Repub Convention was themed on a lie - “We built That” that lied about what Obama was saying. Ryan’s acceptance speech was peppered with lies. Romney lied about his agenda in the debate and then Biden called out Ryan out on his many lies at the debate. It the Karl Rove school of constant lies targeted towards busy, biased and/or ignorant voters.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 11:10:09
“It’s the Karl Rove school of constant lies targeted towards busy, biased and/or ignorant voters.”
Is Rove the source of the Republican strategy of telling one lie after another with the utmost sincerity, in the hopes that manner will triumph over substance in the feeble minds of the American electorate?
It’s worked before, and it might well work again this time.
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Comment by ecofeco
2012-10-14 13:46:21
Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the Bushes have pretty much controlled the Repub party since the late 1970s.
They were very close friends during the Ford admin. and even knew each during Nixon.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 07:59:22
“Handed a piece of paper, Ms. Bair saw that she had been ambushed. It was a script, prepared for her by the Treasury and the Fed, stating that the F.D.I.C. was moving to guarantee all the liabilities in the financial system.”
She should have blown the whistle back then. Doesn’t do much good four years down the road!
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 12:01:44
“It’s hard to argue against this narrative, not knowing what would have happened had cooler heads prevailed. But Sheila C. Bair, former chairwoman of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, is well positioned to question the dogma of the bailout brigade.”
First the Fed publicly denied any awareness of the housing bubble. Then, after the subprime lending sector vaporized completely, the word from the top was ‘subprime is contained.’ A year later, the crisis response was one of 24/7 panic from the top (during George W. Bush’s Republican presidency!!!!).
Vote Republican next month if you want a near-term replay.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 12:07:19
As described by Ms. Bair, the events of the fall of 2008 showed that many financial regulators were desperate to make anyone but those who created the crisis pay for its devastation.
For example, taxpayers and the many smaller banks that pay into the F.D.I.C. fund that insures bank deposits were those most likely to be assigned responsibility for the bailout costs, Ms. Bair writes. Needless to say, these people had no seats at the rescue tables.
Which of the presidential candidates is most likely to end this type of policy to routinely screw the masses in order to keep Wall Street banksters’ multi-million dollar paychecks flowing?
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 12:14:45
Ms. Bair said in an interview last week, “everyone who held bank debt would have immediately gotten a windfall profit,” as their bonds and other bank securities rose in value on the F.D.I.C. backing. “Of course, I wasn’t going to do that,” she adds, “and we ended up with a program that only guaranteed the renewal of expiring debt, which is where the problem was. And we charged a fee.”
And what eventually happened was that a federal guarantee was summarily slapped on GSE bonds, which gave everyone who owned them a windfall profit.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 12:19:53
What of the claim that all the rescues were profitable? Ms. Bair contended in the interview that none of the arithmetic used to arrive at these gains takes into account the subsidies banks received in cheap capital, low-interest-rate loans and debt guarantees.
IN her book, Ms. Bair lists 13 actions that she thinks would make financial institutions stronger, and regulators more effective. Even just a few of these — like breaking up megabanks, raising capital requirements and ending the revolving door between the industry and its overseers — would have immediate and extensive benefits.
Which presidential candidate is more likely to nominate Ms. Bair to a seat on the Federal Reserve Board? (BTW, I believe she is a Republican…)
By now, Sheila Bair must be used to feeling like a Cassandra.
As head of the FDIC, she warned bank investors and Bush’s Treasury Department about the coming subprime crisis in 2007, only to have her concerns brushed aside. Bair, a Republican, then urged the Obama administration to move aggressively and pour money into mortgage modifications, but it was only after she left office in July that the White House decided to expand its refinancing. In a new Q&A with the National Journal, Bair explains why she believes the administration’s efforts on housing have fallen short–exacerbating the housing crisis–and what the government could still do to help turn things around.
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Friday, October 12, 2012 Former FDIC Chief Sheila Bair Calls Romney “Misinformed” on Dodd Frank
This American Banker interview with Sheila Bair has the Republican former regulator describing how Romney isn’t up to speed on Dodd Frank. Not to worry, she also gets a dig in at Geithner too.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 12:24:11
“Our bailout strategies didn’t clean out bad mortgage assets, and we didn’t force banks to take losses,” she says. “We imposed no accountability and did no fundamental restructuring. We were Japan, and I think we have a Japan-like recovery because of it.”
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“The balance of power has shifted too far in favor of large financial interests in Washington,” she said in the interview. “The bailouts, and the quantitative easing that continues, have overwhelmingly benefited the upper classes. Workers, homeowners, small businesses have by and large been left to fend for themselves.”
Where do the two presidential candidates stand on the issues Ms. Bair raises?
From the Denver Post - GOP presidential hopeful Romney sways voters in Colorado:
“GOP presidential hopeful Mitt Romney’s fortunes have shifted in the past five weeks in Colorado.
After an affecting debate performance at the University of Denver and more commanding stump speeches across battleground states, Romney has picked up additional Colorado voters and has seen a bounce in a new Denver Post poll that puts him 1 percentage point ahead, 48 percent to 47 percent, of President Barack Obama.
The candidates are still effectively tied, as the results fall within the poll’s 4-percentage-point margin of error. The poll was conducted Tuesday and Wednesday by SurveyUSA for The Post using automated calls to homes and cellphones. Pollsters reached 614 likely voters. Five percent of those polled said they were undecided.
Adding Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson into the mix didn’t alter Romney’s small lead in Colorado. Poll respondents still picked Romney over Obama by a single percentage point, 46 percent to 45 percent.
Johnson, who will be on Colorado’s ballot on Election Day, took 2 percent of the votes in The Post’s poll.”
That’s why the only voters who matter are the 3rd party voters. If Rmoney wanted to he could tell lies about being libertarian and win over obama, or vice versa. Voting “coke” or “pepsi” is throwing your vote away.
I know. And Mitt Romney is a Martian. I saw a link a about it.
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-10-14 14:55:17
She is a Marxist
Are you too dumb to understand that your Snopes link discredits your claim, or are you practicing the Karl Rove “lie about everything, see what sticks (maybe they won’t click the link!)” propaganda technique?
Spent a portion of yesterday applying stucco patch to the south wall because of numerous cracks. Only the south wall, because the direct sun does a number on stucco after thirty years, apparently. Kudos to the contractor who pointed that out, and who agreed that a coat of primer would be a useful stopgap to a full new paint job. (It’s a timing thing.)
It was actually kind of fun aside from the “sitting in full sun” bit. Stucco patch is like spackle, except that the surface you’re applying it to is rough, so it’s not too hard to get it to look right.
A deciduous tree will produce leaves in the spring and summer and these leaves will absorb the blaring heat of the summer sun. Then in the fall these leaves fall off which allows the weakened sunlight of winter to shine through.
That’s the garden side, naturally. I had some pretty good tomatoes this year though the pepper plants got eaten by various critters (including large ones; some were gnawed off at the base.) I will, however, be trellising some things up to the roof next summer, so the wall itself should be getting some shade.
There’s a new “paint” treatment for stucco walls that’s like a paintable radiant barrier. It probably has ceramic in it. We’re trying to save up for that, because insulation is the best house upgrade you can make.
My experience with tomatos that grow in my back yard next to a south-facing cinder block wall has been quite favorable. The wall acts as a heat sink in the winter months and the release of stored heat collected during the winter days is enough to ward off the occaisional tomato-killing frost that the winter nights now-and-then brings, and this has allowed me to harvest fresh tomatos every month of the year.
The southern exposure takes a beating for sure. My dad bought a house in the san diego area in the late 60’s. He put a new roof on composed of redwood shingles. After 40 years the roof is still there but the southern exposure part is hammered. Been buying bundles of shingles to patch but the roof is due for replacement.
Actually the other exposures have held up quite nicely. I do not think you could just replace one side though. I don’t think they will even let you use wood shingles anymore so basically all would have to be torn off and replaced with asphalt shingles. Plus with the shingles there is not a solid roof all the way across trusses. So in addition you have to resheet the whole roof with OSB or plywood.Big job and would cost some bank.
Absolutely. Though you can use faux shingling if you like that look.
My sister in San Jose had a little roof work done on her 1930s home and the roofer came down with a look of awe on his face. Apparently, the trusses were all dovetailed old-growth redwood. Almost a shame to cover them up.
Pacific North West….All the lumber pre-1945 or so was redwood…DF was considered garbage and only good for the fireplace…I think, after the war ended and all those boys came home and procreated, there was just not enough redwood to build all those houses…
Have you ever heard of “elastomeric paint”? It is more elastic than other paints, it expands when it gets hot and it helps to seal off those small cracks in the wall.
It might help to keep the moisture out of the cracks, keeping them smaller for a longer period and making it look like the wall doesn’t have any cracks.
Thankfully, the cracks aren’t big yet. In fact, I’ve got just enough blur to my vision that I hadn’t noticed them until they were pointed out. So the patching should seal it up pretty well, and we should be able to get a new coat of paint on it in the next year. And since it’s the back yard, it doesn’t even have to match…
I think we’ll be deleraging for a generation. Doing my 401K annual allocation I had no problem putting some of it cash. I wanted to go more conservative / defensive. No matter who wins the election I think a good possibility of a black swan event next year.
“Americans lived in a “victory culture” for much of the twentieth century. You could say that we experienced an almost 75-year stretch of triumphalism - think of it as the real “American Century” - from World War I to the end of the Cold War, with time off for a destructive stalemate in Korea and a defeat in Vietnam too shocking to absorb or shake off.
When the Soviet Union disintegrated in 1991, it all seemed so obvious. Fate had clearly dealt Washington a royal flush. It was victory with a capital V. The United States was, after all, the last standing superpower, after centuries of unceasing great power rivalries on the planet. It had a military beyond compare and no enemy, hardly a “rogue state,” on the horizon. It was almost unnerving, such clear sailing into a dominant future, but a moment for the ages nonetheless. Within a decade, pundits in Washington were hailing us as “the dominant power in the world, more dominant than any since Rome.”
The US has 1,000 or more bases around the world; other countries, a handful. The US spends as much on its military as the next 14 powers (mostly allies) combined. In fact, it’s investing an estimated $1.45 trillion to produce and operate a single future aircraft, the F-35 - more than any country, the US included, now spends on its national defense annually.
The US military is singular in other ways, too. It alone has divided the globe - the complete world - into six “commands.” With (lest anything be left out) an added command, Stratcom, for the heavens and another, recently established, for the only space not previously occupied, cyberspace, where we’re already unofficially “at war.” No other country on the planet thinks of itself in faintly comparable military terms.
When its high command plans for its future “needs,” thanks to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Martin Dempsey, they repair (don’t say “retreat”) to a military base south of the capital where they argue out their future and war-game various possible crises while striding across a map of the world larger than a basketball court. What other military would come up with such a method?
The president now has at his command not one, but two private armies. The first is the CIA, which in recent years has been heavily militarized, is overseen by a former four-star general (who calls the job “living the dream”), and is running its own private assassination campaigns and drone air wars throughout the Greater Middle East. The second is an expanding elite, the Joint Special Operations Command, cocooned inside the US military, members of whom are now deployed to hot spots around the globe.
The US Navy, with its 11 nuclear-powered aircraft carrier task forces, is dominant on the global waves in a way that only the British Navy might once have been; and the US Air Force controls the global skies in much of the world in a totally uncontested fashion. (Despite numerous wars and conflicts, the last American plane possibly downed in aerial combat was in the first Gulf War in 1991.) Across much of the global south, there is no sovereign space Washington’s drones can’t penetrate to kill those judged by the White House to be threats.
In sum, the US is now the sole planetary Top Gun in a way that empire-builders once undoubtedly fantasized about, but that none from Genghis Khan on have ever achieved: alone and essentially uncontested on the planet. In fact, by every measure (except success), the likes of it has never been seen.”
Defense spending (as a percent of GDP) has been pretty stable at around 5% for the last 40 years. Weapons systems cost more but we have about a military about half the size (in personnel) from the Reagan days.
Today:
Entitlement spending is 55%+ of the federal budget (and growing)
Defense spending is 19% of the federal budget (stable/shrinking)
Interest on the debt is 6%+ of the federal budget (growing)
The Government now borrows 40 cents of every dollar it spends.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 08:24:57
“You are not going to stop run away deficits solely by gutting defense.”
Which candidate is planning to ‘gut defense’? (On second thought, don’t answer that, as we don’t need any more Republican propaganda spewed on the HBB.)
‘Defense spending (as a percent of GDP) has been pretty stable…You are not going to stop run away deficits solely by…’
Listen to yourself. You sound like the posters who tell us ‘the govt isn’t spending too much’. ‘It’s stable, a percentage of this or that, less than FDR’s era.’
The Pentagon is just like everything else in DC; corrupt, bloated and starving for more. They are backed by armies of lobbyist. They don’t give a damn about debt.
I’ve posted this before; my first tiny insight into what goes on in the military was a friend who worked at a steakhouse in Anchorage. Some generals and admirals were coming to eat. Hmmm, interesting.
A couple days before ’staffers’ show up to teach everyone just how these big shots were to be served. The spoons have to be just so, and never, ever, address this man from over his left shoulder. It was supposed to be some kind of protocol. But it left me wondering how they had time to run an army/navy. It’s was like they were princes in olden days.
If you dislike govt waste, personal corruption, etc, look no farther than the US military:
‘Two recent disciplinary actions involving U.S. Army generals suggest the extent to which the senior command structure has been compromised by the widespread corruption that has been clearly visible in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Office of the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR) is still in operation to oversee the much scaled-down assistance that continues to be given to Baghdad to rebuild its military and infrastructure. There have been 117 indictments for corruption by American contractors and military officers, 42 arrests, and 90 convictions for fraud amounting to $220 million. Ninety-seven investigations are ongoing.’
‘Military officers in both Afghanistan and Iraq became accustomed to having large quantities of cash on hand to hand out as needed. And when something goes wrong, the military’s response also reveals that a separate standard of justice for senior officers has become the status quo in the U.S. armed forces.’
‘A bizarre case of senior officer misbehavior occurred in June when Colonel James Johnson III, the West Point educated son of a Lieutenant General, was fined $300,000 for adultery, bigamy, conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman, and associated crimes that he committed to support a relationship with an Iraqi woman whom the married Johnson met in 2005. The girlfriend’s father was hired as Johnson’s “cultural adviser” and given government contracts worth $74,600 for which no actual work was required. The girlfriend and her family ran up $80,000 in charges on an Army cell phone. Johnson later used US Army vehicles, credit cards, and travel vouchers to make frequent visits to the girlfriend and he unsuccessfully tried to deliver on a fraudulent contract which would have paid for the purchase of Dutch made windmills that extract humidity from the air, turning it into water which can be bottled. The father would have made $500,000. Johnson later claimed that the windmills would have “saved American lives.” Johnson was reprimanded but not discharged from the army or reduced in rank and he retained his substantial pension and benefits.’
Nobody is ‘gutting’ the spending. Congress builds submarines the Navy doesn’t even want. Right now the govt is building a fighter jet that costs more than most countries spend on their military. Then there’s that concept itself; how much of what is spent actually goes to ‘defend’ the US? Do we really need 1,000 bases all over the world to defend the US? Even the Romans couldn’t sell that one.
Here’s the unbelievable part; all this borrowing money from communists makes this country weaker. And what the article goon posted points out is, this mighty (expensive) military can’t beat a few thousand goat herders.
Don’t take this wrong; I’m not suggesting that we aren’t capable of killing lots of people or blowing stuff up. But rather that the world has changed and armies don’t line up on battlefields anymore. The conflicts of today are economic more than anything. And at that we are going backward.
Comment by skroodle
2012-10-14 10:09:49
F-35 is a perfect example of a weapon that will be completely obsolete in 5 years.
Drone aircraft flown by civilian CIA contractors are the future. Soon, every country will have drone fleets to deliver bombs into every neighborhood in world.
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-10-14 10:23:14
gutting defense spending ALONE is NOT going to solve our runaway deficits. It does not even come CLOSE
This is the big Repub talking point. It’s like it’s an excuse to do none of these things.
Raising taxes on the rich ALONE is NOT going to solve our runaway deficits. It does not even come CLOSE
gutting defense spending ALONE is NOT going to solve our runaway deficits. It does not even come CLOSE
Letting the BushTax Cus expire ALONE is NOT going to solve our runaway deficits. It does not even come CLOSE
The BushTaxCuts account for about 25% of our deficit. The military budget is 20% of our Federal Budget. These are very large percentages of our deficit.
Comment by oxide
2012-10-14 10:38:43
If the R’s would have allowed single payer health care, the entitlements would cut themselves. By quite a lot.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 11:17:44
Raising taxes on the rich ALONE is NOT going to solve our runaway deficits. It does not even come CLOSE
gutting defense spending ALONE is NOT going to solve our runaway deficits. It does not even come CLOSE
Letting the BushTax Cus expire ALONE is NOT going to solve our runaway deficits. It does not even come CLOSE
The BushTaxCuts account for about 25% of our deficit. The military budget is 20% of our Federal Budget. These are very large percentages of our deficit.
Sounds like the way to go might be to try all of these Republican proposals to cut the deficit in combination?
Comment by Anon In DC
2012-10-14 12:20:49
RE: Comment by oxide
2012-10-14 10:38:43
If the R’s would have allowed single payer health care, the entitlements would cut themselves. By quite a lot.
Yea, right. Somehow one government bureacracry will be more efficent than several large for profit bureacracies. Throw in free coverage for 30 million more people. Sounds like savings to me. Reminds me of the all the dot com business models. They lost money on every transaction but were going to make up for on the volume!
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-10-14 12:57:33
Yea, right. Somehow one government bureacracry will be more efficent than several large for profit bureacracies.
Somehow? It’s fact jack.
For example:
Canada’s single-payer system insures 100% of Canadians for about $4,000 per person. (11% of their GDP) USA’s private insurance has 50 million uninsured 50 million with junk insurance and spends almost $8,000 per year per person. (17% of our GDP)
And Canada has less rationing and as better medical stats in most cases. Canadians also live longer and have much lower infant mortality.
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-14 14:39:38
And what the article goon posted points out is, this mighty (expensive) military can’t beat a few thousand goat herders.
Well…we could easily wipe them out. Unfortunately we’ve chosen to define victory as making them like us.
Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-10-15 08:35:27
“Drone aircraft are the future……”
Maybe, maybe not.
The only reason Predators are so effective is that we have 24/7/365 air superiority.
Send all of the US fighters home, give me a dozen King Airs and some door mounted machine guns, and my drone problem will be fixed.
I was in the 101st ABN Band and got to see it up close. That’s exactly what it’s like. One person I got to see a lot of was COL Keene, later to become the well known General Keene.
The fact that the army considered him a rising star told me everything I needed to know about the quality of the organization. I’ve been in the same room/tent with him many times, listened to him speak on multiple occasions, and considered him to be a jerk and full of it. I got out as fast as I could.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 08:22:38
“The US has 1,000 or more bases around the world; other countries, a handful. The US spends as much on its military as the next 14 powers (mostly allies) combined. In fact, it’s investing an estimated $1.45 trillion to produce and operate a single future aircraft, the F-35 - more than any country, the US included, now spends on its national defense annually.”
Can anybody offer comment on what would happen to future military spending under a Romney/Ryan presidency versus a continuation with Obama/Biden?
In what would have represented a significant escalation of U.S. military involvement in Mali, the Pentagon also considered a secret plan in 2009 to embed American commandos with Malian ground troops.
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“It seems really dubious that six people died in a single-car accident. It’s just very fishy,” Gregg said in a telephone interview.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 11:25:10
It seems that American security personnel abroad have a tendency to get into lots of trouble with foreign prostitutes.
Colombian Prostitute Rips Secret Service Agents
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Comment by Anon In DC
2012-10-14 12:23:36
The situation in Columbia never would have even happend if the messiah stayed in DC and worked instead of globe trotting for photo ops. But speeches and photo ops are much easier and fun than work. Especially when you don’t have a clue about how the economy / business works.
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-10-14 12:59:34
The situation in Columbia never would have even happend if the messiah stayed in DChis place. 2012. David Duke
Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-14 14:12:59
Especially when you don’t have a clue about how the economy / business works.
You mean like the guys who offshored every job they could (and were even provided tax breaks for offshoring) while they blew the biggest real estate bubble this nation this nation has ever seen?
“Taking someone out of poverty drastically reduces the chances of them becoming terrorists”
So is the reverse true? Are we going to become a hotbed of terrorism, because our government and business elite are putting so many Americans INTO poverty??
No ever increasing property taxes to pay for insane public unions is a big one.
And if other costs go up - easy to “move your house”
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Rambling Retirees Trade Home for Boats, RVs, Sofas
Reuters | October 12, 2012 | Lou Carlozo
At 68, Barbara Miller Elegbede is living proof that flower children need not grow up.
A self-described hippie, she attended a San Francisco college at psychedelia’s height and remembers friends constantly crashing on the couch of her apartment, just a block away from Janis Joplin’s pad in the hip Castro neighborhood.
Now retired from teaching and secretarial work, Elegbede, 68, has become a full-time “couchsurfer” herself, living in other people’s guest quarters all over the world. (She has a temporary apartment in Tempe, Arizona.)
Call Elegbede one of the “rambling retirees”: folks who give up the senior community or a comfy house for a life of constant travel. And they’re not all hippies.
Then there’s the financial angle. Today’s retirees have limited budgets and long life expectancies. Living on the road for a year or five can be a way to spend less than hanging on to the big house or moving into a service-heavy retirement community.
Morton, 51, is semi-retired and lives on a houseboat six months out of the year in Montreal, Canada. (He also travels in an RV and has an apartment.) His major annual costs are insurance ($2,000 for a $200,000 boat) and docking ($3,000 and up).
A marine survey for your floating home to ensure its shipshape can run $1,500 to $2,000. First-year costs typically run $25,000, including maintenance and fuel, says Morton, citing the survey and improvements to a newly acquired boat. Annual costs may drop 20 percent or more in subsequent years, assuming a lack of weather damage or major repairs.
Morton, who’s saving thousands of dollars annually compared to a land-based life with a mortgage, plans to live on a houseboat as long as he’s able.
Morton, 51, is semi-retired and lives on a houseboat six months out of the year in Montreal, Canada. (He also travels in an RV and has an apartment.) His major annual costs are insurance ($2,000 for a $200,000 boat) and docking ($3,000 and up).
Maintenance costs? Isn’t the common wisdom that boats are maintenance money pits? And if I’m not mistaken, don’t boats have licensing fees and are subject to property taxes as well?
Another day without discussing the economy, the debt and/or the fed is a WIN for obama.
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Obama camp tips hand on debate, hints president will attack Romney on Bain
Fox News - October 14, 2012
As President Obama began to hunker down at a plush resort here for three full days of debate prep, his campaign team signaled the incumbent may steal a page from Vice President Joe Biden and show a more aggressive tone in Tuesday’s second face-to-face showdown with Republican Mitt Romney. “Gov. Romney has been making pitches all of his life and he knows how to say what people want to hear whether that was during his time at Bain or during the dozens of town halls he did during the primary,” said Obama campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Saturday.
Kishore Mahbubani: Dean, Singapore’s Lee Kuan Yew school of public policy.
“There is a sense of incredulity that America still thinks it can be a white knight and save other countries…The era when America could go out and change the world is ending”…..
To which I would say, Amen….Close our bases and bring everyone home…You want our defense protection, you pay for it and sum…cut the boots/hardware on the ground from the military budget…Focus on Air & Sea defense…Should be able to cut the military budget by 40%…
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 07:49:05
For anybody who is holding out hope to recover money from this Western Financial Planning Corp. land investment deal, I’d like to also interest you in buying some Florida swampland.
When you hear about a chance to invest in land, do you think gold mine or land mine?
The answer depends on the deal on the table and whose advice you’re seeking.
Some investors who bought interests in undeveloped land in California and parts of the Southwest through a San Diego-based investment firm as far back as 20 years ago wonder if they had made a horrible mistake or took a risk at the wrong time. Investors began to ask questions after they learned that a U.S. district judge OK’d a freeze of Western Financial Planning Corp.’s assets in September and chose a receiver to control its money. Authorities said the alleged scheme raised $50 million from hundreds of investors.
The Securities and Exchange Commission, or SEC, has accused the company of grossly overpricing land, and keeping investors in the dark about their purchase prices and the fact that some of the parcels were not owned outright. The federal agency also alleges that the company, owned by Louis V. Schooler, 61, failed to register securities and of violating securities laws.
After settlement talks broke down in late September, U.S. District Judge Alan Burns last week granted the SEC’s motion for a preliminary injunction and kept the asset freeze in place until the court OKs the receiver’s proposal. The judge also backed the SEC’s argument that the investments completed are securities, something Western Financial vehemently denied in public documents.
As the case works itself out, investors wonder if the money they put in, in some cases tens of thousands of dollars, is in jeopardy. The fate of their money is unclear and depends on how the case is resolved.
Investors became hooked once they heard raw land parcels in potentially high-growth areas in the Southwest were bought at discounted prices and could eventually be sold for big profits when resold to a developer, SEC officials stated in court records. Some clients who invested up to two decades ago told one former First Financial worker that they still hadn’t seen any returns, one piece of testimony shows.
“My reaction?” said Brent Lindberg, a 60-year-old local who invested in vacant land in Nevada. “’Hey, they’re talking about my investment. Is the owner doing less than what they promised they were going to be doing?’ I don’t know. Maybe it’s just been tough years.”
U-T San Diego interviewed three people who said they invested in undeveloped land endorsed by Western Financial within the past 10 to 15 years. All three saw the opportunity as a way to diversify their investments and get better returns after learning about the firm’s expertise in this field. One was referred by a friend, one heard about the deals through a media ad and the third doesn’t recall.
In fact, all three consumers had trouble recalling basic information about their investments because they were made some time ago. It appeared to be a set-it-and-forget-it mentality.
“I was told they have the land and they sell the land for a profit hopefully,” said David Reiter, a 46-year-old software engineer who invested with Western Financial. “I don’t remember being given a time frame … I was not too worried. I felt that they should keep (the land) and wait for the prices to go back up.”
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(Updates with comments from Fed officials on quantitative easing in paragraphs 12-16.)
Sept. 25 (Bloomberg) — Bob Corker, a member of the Senate panel with Federal Reserve oversight authority, said the central bank’s decision to embark on a third round of quantitative easing shows Ben S. Bernanke has “stayed too long.”
Corker said the Fed’s asset purchases have alleviated pressure on Congress to come up with a credible fiscal plan that in his view would provide a basis for long-term economic growth.
“I know Ben Bernanke, I respect him tremendously,” the Tennessee Republican said today at a Bloomberg Government breakfast in Washington. “My criticisms of the Fed in large part are about pressure being taken off us.” He added: “If you saw markets swooning downward because we weren’t acting, I think you would see us acting.”
Corker, a Senate Banking Committee member who voted to confirm Bernanke for another term ending in 2014, praised the chairman’s actions during the financial crisis and said the second round of bond purchases, announced in November 2010, was appropriately aimed at halting deflation.
“Ben did a great job during the crisis,” Corker, 60, said in a separate Bloomberg Television interview. “I think he has stayed too long, yes, I am very despondent about much of what he is doing recently.”
Fed spokesman David Skidmore declined to comment.
Bernanke, who has been Fed chairman since 2006, was first nominated by President George W. Bush and picked for a second term by President Barack Obama.
Bernanke’s Future
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has said he wouldn’t reappoint Bernanke, 58. Obama hasn’t said whether he would nominate the former Princeton University professor for a third term, and the Fed chairman has declined to discuss his future.
The policy making Federal Open Market Committee announced a third round of quantitative easing Sept. 13, committing to $40 billion in monthly purchases of mortgage-backed securities. The FOMC said the buying would continue “if the outlook for the labor market does not improve substantially.”
“If you focus on the Fed’s role as it relates to price stability, you can understand QE2,” Corker said. “I do think we have gotten out of bounds now.”
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Regional Federal Reserve Bank presidents who oppose quantitative easing have made little way in convincing the central bank’s dovish core. Apparently, not so on the cause célèbre of policymakers like Richard Fisher at the Dallas Fed, who have called for too big to fail banks to be broken up.
In a speech this week, Fed board governor and regulation czar Daniel Tarullo stopped short of calling for outright break-ups. But he did take the unprecedented step of backing size limitations on banks that would be linked to overall U.S. economic output.
In his own words:
In these circumstances, however, with the potentially important consequences of such an upper bound and of the need to balance different interests and social goals, it would be most appropriate for Congress to legislate on the subject. If it chooses to do so, there would be merit in its adopting a simpler policy instrument, rather than relying on indirect, incomplete policy measures such as administrative calculation of potentially complex financial stability footprints.
The idea along these lines that seems to have the most promise would limit the non-deposit liabilities of financial firms to a specified percentage ofU.S.gross domestic product, as calculated on a lagged, averaged basis. In addition to the virtue of simplicity, this approach has the advantage of tying the limitation on growth of financial firms to the growth of the national economy and its capacity to absorb losses, as well as to the extent of a firm’s dependence on funding from sources other than the stable base of deposits.
The Federal Reserve will struggle to end its quantitative easing program, said Gary D. Cohn, Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS)’s president and chief operating officer.
Oct. 11 (Bloomberg) — Gary Cohn, president and chief operating officer at Goldman Sachs, talks with Bloomberg’s Sara Eisen about the European debt crisis and the current state of Goldman Sachs. He speaks in an exclusive interview on Bloomberg Television’s “Bloomberg Surveillance.”
“I understand what they’re trying to do and I will tell you this, this is going to be difficult to stop or to exit,” Cohn told Bloomberg Television today in Tokyo. “At the end of this — there will be an end to quantitative easing — we will have to go through the pains of stopping quantitative easing.”
The Fed last month announced its third round of large-scale asset purchases since 2008, with no limit this time on the ultimate amount it would buy or the duration of the program. Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke says that stimulus will be expanded until policy makers see “sustained improvement” in the labor market and that the strategy works in part by boosting the prices of assets such as equities.
“We know the Fed wants to create job growth,” Cohn said. “We know that the Fed wants to create asset appreciation.”
Bank of America Corp. Chief Executive Officer Brian T. Moynihan said in a separate interview that the U.S. central bank is “working hard” to boost demand that’s less than potential and that its exit plan “is something to worry about down the road.”
Confidence Deficit
“Right now we’ve got to make sure we continue to push confidence,” he said. “That’s a problem that we’ll face more in the future than we face today.”
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It seems to me that conficence should not be something that has to be “pushed”, it should be something that arises on its own - arises from the decisions that decision makers make.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 12:35:13
What I don’t get about this article is why the author assumes QE will ever end? What is to prevent the Fed from simply guaranteeing low interest rates indefinitely?
(Reuters) - China’s central bank governor has warned that quantitative easing policies worldwide could cause inflationary risks, state news agency Xinhua said on Saturday.
The remarks by People’s Bank of China (PBOC) Governor Zhou Xiaochuan come even as analysts credit policy easing from G4 central banks - the U.S. Federal Reserve, the European Central Bank (ECB), the Bank of Japan and the Bank of England - in the third quarter of the year as underpinning business confidence.
Chinese data on Saturday offered a sign that G4 policy easing was being felt in the world’s second biggest economy, with trade numbers showing exports grew at roughly twice the rate expected in September while imports returned to the path of expansion.
“The data shows both imports and exports are improving - especially a rebound in export growth reflects a rising confidence after the U.S. and European countries launched further easing policies last month,” said Xue Hexiang, an analyst at Guotai Junan Securities in Shanghai, after the trade numbers were released.
Across Asia, central banks are wary about the potential inflationary impact of the Fed’s latest quantitative easing, dubbed QE3, as well as policy stimulus unveiled by the ECB.
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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 08:29:55
October 14, 2012 1:06 pm
Fed chief defends low interest rates
By The Associated Press
Chairman Ben Bernanke is rejecting arguments that the Federal Reserve’s bold moves to bolster US jobs growth could have unwanted consequences in emerging market countries.
In a speech on Sunday, Mr Bernanke disagreed with criticism that the Fed’s efforts to drive US interest rates lower could result in higher inflation in emerging markets or trigger a destabilising flood of investment money into those nations.
In fact, he said, the efforts of the Fed and the central banks of other industrial countries should benefit the global economy by boosting growth and providing stronger markets for the goods of developing nations.
Mr Bernanke’s speech in Tokyo was at a conference sponsored by the Bank of Japan and the International Monetary Fund.
At its September meeting, the Fed announced it was launching a program to buy $40bn each month in mortgage-backed securities as a way to drive interest rates lower and give a boost to the housing market. Increased home sales could help spur hiring and accelerate economic growth.
The Fed also extended its time frame for keeping rates low to at least mid-2015 and said rates would remain low even after the US economy begins growing at a stronger pace. That effort will continue until it sees substantial gains in the US job market, the Fed said.
In his speech on Sunday, Mr Bernanke said the Fed’s effort “not only helps strengthen the U.S. economic recovery, but by boosting US spending and growth, it has the effect of helping support the global economy as well.’’
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The annual rate of inflation across developed economies rose for the first time in a year in August, driven by a sharp rise in energy prices, a development that may narrow the scope for leading central banks to shore up faltering growth through additional stimulus measures.
The inflationary threat from energy was underlined by separate figures from the European Union’s official statistics agency, which showed the prices charged by euro-zone factories for their goods rose sharply in August.
Figures released by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development on Tuesday showed consumer prices in its 34 member countries rose by 2.0% in the 12 months to August, a larger increase than the 1.9% recorded in the 12 months to July.
The rate of inflation also rose in a number of large developing economies, most sharply in India and Russia, but also in China and South Africa.
If sustained, the rise in inflation rates across so many leading economies would give central banks less room to cut their key interest rates or provide other forms of stimulus to counter a global economic slowdown.
The European Central Bank’s governing council is expected to leave its key interest rate unchanged at a record low 0.75% Thursday, following a September rise in the euro zone’s inflation rate.
The data on euro zone factory-gate prices in August suggest the inflation rate could rise further from its September level of 2.7% and a decline to the ECB’s target of just below 2.0% is likely to be delayed.
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* Core producer prices flat, lowest since October 2011
WASHINGTON, Oct 12 (Reuters) - U.S. producer prices rose more than expected in September as the cost of gasoline surged, but underlying inflation pressures were muted in a sign the U.S. Federal Reserve has room to carry out its new monetary stimulus program.
The Labor Department said on Friday its seasonally adjusted Producer Price Index increased 1.1 percent last month.
Economists polled by Reuters had expected prices at farms, factories and refineries to rise 0.7 percent after climbing 1.7 percent in August.
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Caller in to local real estate show is asking why he should be responsible for those folks walking away from mortgages that “they signed on the dotted line, saying that they would pay it.”
“The solution that they’re pushing is to reward irresponsibility.” “If somebody can’t pay, the solution is to let somebody else buy it who can pay.”
Sound familiar? This is in the public consciousness and this is on the air. Biggest radio market in the region.
The presidential election is heading down to the wire. With three weeks to go, the polls show Mitt Romney and Barack Obama within a few points. The swing states are in play. Somewhere close to $2 billion will be spent in total on the final outcome.
It’s time to look ahead. What sort of agenda will the winner inherit? How will he deal with a bitterly divided and partisan political system, a weak recovery, and a raft of pressing crises at home and abroad?
Here’s what the email from his chief economic adviser might look like on Nov. 7.
Dear Mr. President/President-Elect,
Congratulations on your victory. I’m sorry to butt in on your celebrations, but you asked for a summary of the economic problems ahead. I’m afraid you face five major ones.
1. The fiscal cliff
On Dec. 31 the U.S. federal government is going to hit a potentially disastrous so-called fiscal cliff. Under current law, taxes are set to jump and spending will be cut.
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2. Jobs
According to the Labor Department, about 15% of the workforce, or one worker in seven, is either unemployed or stuck working part-time because he or she can’t get full-time work. And 23% of prime working-age men—about 14 million ages 25 to 54—lack a full-time job. Think about the lost output in the economy—and lost taxes to the government.
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3. Retirement
If you think the jobs crisis is bad, look at the looming retirement crisis.
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4. Debt
You’ve probably heard that Americans have been paying down debts and shoring up their balance sheets. You’ve probably heard that corporations are meanwhile sitting on a ton of cash. It all sounds promising.
The trouble is that it’s mostly a mirage. …
5. China
In the short term, you face the risks of a “hard landing” for the Chinese economy.
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This poses enormous economic, political and strategic challenges. Yes, our military is still No. 1—but you can’t run a first-class empire with a second-class economy, as the British and the Soviets learned years ago.
Sorry about all this doom and gloom, Mr. President/President-Elect, especially on the morning after your big triumph.
But look on the bright side. The Electoral College doesn’t meet till Dec. 17. Maybe they’ll pick the other guy instead.
Could not agree more. While I tend to vote on the right as I have said many times all the cutting of waste / bureacracy and regulation to make this county more competitive will HELP. But will not mitigate the cost of labor disparity. Lower standards of living coming to all developed markets. 1950s style living was an economic / historical anomoly. That said I think less focus on material consumption although forced could bring a more statisfying life.
1950s style living was an economic / historical anomoly.
No. This is an excuse from the right to justify the middle-class’s decline and excuse the increasing concentration of wealth.
The 50’s were NOT an anomaly in the context of each American generation generally doing better than the prior generation. That was the general American reality for the past 200 years until the past 30 years.
Don’t believe the right-wing propaganda that the 200 year rising of the American middle-class was an “anomaly”.
Don’t believe the right-wing propaganda that the 200 year rising of the American middle-class was an “anomaly”.
I do not know anyone on the right that is saying that. BTW, Drudge has a great link to an article that global warming stopped 16 years ago. Now, if we can just use our natural resources, maybe we can restore the middle class which started to decline when the Arab oil embargo in 1973 drove up gasoline prices.
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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-10-14 14:11:48
I do not know anyone on the right that is saying that.
I hear it all the time that “the 200 year rising of the American middle-class was an “anomaly”.”
And I just saw it again up there:
Comment by Anon In DC
2012-10-14 12:42:03
middle class…started to decline when the Arab oil embargo in 1973 drove up gasoline prices.
Yes but that was not the underlying cause, just pre-icing on the cake. The middle-class started to decline in earnest when wealth and income started to become severely unequal starting around 1980 when trickle-down, supply-side, cutTaxes4TheRich, VOODOO economics put wealth concentration into hyperdrive.
So let’s all really double down on proven failed economic policies and vote Romney/Ryan 2012.
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-10-14 14:32:43
Sorry, the Reagan years ended stagflation and temporarily gave the middle class greater wealth through real tax relief.. The problem began again with the cheap money of Greenspan which began under Clinton and increased under Bush II but that is a problem with government not the private sector.Yes Greenspan was appointed by Bush I but he did not start with the cheap money until Clinton, who did reappoint him.
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-14 14:47:40
The charts I’ve seen showed that Reagan didn’t help, but it did start even before him.
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-10-14 15:00:43
My last article did not post but I will try again with a different point. In 1984, Ronald Reagan won reelection with 525 electoral votes. The voters clearly thought he had taken a mess and made it much better.
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-10-14 15:33:57
Sorry, the Reagan years ended stagflation and temporarily gave the middle class greater wealth through real tax relief..
Reagan was a tool. Stagflation ended because of Paul Volcker, a Carter appointee. Reagan preferred Greenspan and appointed him and thus was responsible for one of the worst Fed Chairman appointments in history.
Reagan’s years saw a huge increase in personal and government debt. Reagan’s trickle-down, supply-side, de-regulation economics and demonizing the same government he grew sent the USA on the divisive, banana-republic road that we are on today.
Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz said about (Paul Volcker) in an interview: “Paul Volcker, the previous Fed Chairman known for keeping inflation under control, was fired because the Reagan administration didn’t believe he was an adequate de-regulator.” wiki
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-10-14 19:38:24
Yes Greenspan was appointed by Bush I
Lie. Or stupidity. Stop wasting our time with false information and/or ignorance.
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-10-14 19:40:08
I do not know anyone on the right that is saying that
LOL. It’s said about three times a day by our right-wing posters right here on hbb.
This one is really going to pound those in the 50k to 250k range. I can see both sides letting this happen: If Romney wins and the Senate stays Democrat, they stick it to him by letting the deadlines pass on his watch. If Obama wins and the House is still Republican, we keep the current stalemate. I do hear some rumblings of compromise on the $250k number, the Republicans may agree to $1 million and up going back to the Clinton rates.
What you don’t hear much about in the media, is that what we really need is GROWTH. Policies have to be put in place to promote growth, which will produce increased revenue to the treasury due to more individuals and businesses paying taxes. Not sure why this point is so difficult to comprehend. Growth will crush the deficits if we are spending neutral (fat chance) or even if we just restrict the rate of growth in spending.
“Growth” is not as beneficial to the tax revenue now because almost the only portion of society benefiting from the “growth” are the rich, and the rich’s tax rates are at historical lows.
The growth of Mitt Romney’s wealth/income is not helping the deficits much when taxed at a lower rate than a plumber.
Not sure why this point is so difficult to comprehend.
I guess I get an official Communist Party response to my fairly benign suggestion that economic growth will help us out of our financial hole faster than excess taxation. There was a time when promoting economic growth was universal in the country.
Here are some quotes from my favorite Democrat:
“It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now … Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus.”
“A tax cut means higher family income and higher business profits and a balanced federal budget. Every taxpayer and his family will have more money left over after taxes for a new car, a new home, new conveniences, education and investment. Every businessman can keep a higher percentage of his profits in his cash register or put it to work expanding or improving his business, and as the national income grows, the federal government will ultimately end up with more revenues.”
“Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government.”
– John F. Kennedy
Like I’ve said before, it’s very sad to see what the Communists and the global anti-capitalist movements have done to the Democratic party, the labor unions and this country.
Since 1980, the tax burden has been shifted onto the middle class.
At the same time, trade, tax and monetary policies were put in place to screw the middle class, and incentivize the wealthy and the financiers.
Se here we are. The bottom 90% haven’t seen meaningful pay raises in years, and the prices of essentials are controlled by various cartels (OPEC, Wall Street). Yet, government and business leaders are (supposedly) mystified as to the reasons for lack of “demand/growth”
The only people who have any money are the top 5-10%ers, who are constantly threatening to take their balls and play elsewhere if their taxes are raised, or if they are not allowed total control over US policy.
Someone / everyone please virtually b*thch slap me. Getting seriously tempted to buy a house here in suburban Boston. There is one that has everything I want. One level, solidly built, small and less expensive than neighboring houses, garage, unrenovated and “improved”, quiet street, walking distance to shopping and the T, etc…But at last my hard headiness will prevail. Whew… close call.
Fundamentals still out of wack. Price is 5x average household income but particularly low for the neighborhood. Forclosure / short sales, not many. This would be a toe tag house.
Taxes $5K per year. But thanks for you the good questions. Not tempted yet despite Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower ’s below promise.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 12:27:54
My wife and I can start giving to charity again if the mortgage interest deduction is replaced with a more general ‘use it as you see fit’ tax deduction. The thing I like about Romney’s proposal is that it includes the middle class; by contrast, the mortgage interest deduction primarily benefits those with mortgages in amounts north of $500,000.
Never mind your income-tax rate for next year—what will happen to your deductions?
Presidential candidate Mitt Romney twice has raised the possibility of imposing caps on tax benefits to help lower tax rates. Instead of simply cutting the home mortgage-interest deduction or the write-off for charitable donations, lawmakers could allow each taxpayer one overall allowance to use as desired. Mr. Romney suggested options ranging from $17,000 to $50,000.
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European leaders, basking in the glow of a Nobel Peace Prize and praise for their rediscovered crisis-fighting skills, meet this week as Greece seeks to justify renewed aid and Spain holds out on tapping a bailout.
The European Union’s leaders convene for an Oct. 18-19 summit in Brussels after a weekend in which international finance chiefs expressed some optimism that a firewall is in place to contain the euro’s turmoil and urged further action to quell the main threat to global growth.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel spoke of the euro as “more than a currency” and said the monetary union’s leaders had finally established the mechanisms to hold the members together for the long term. Photographer: Jock Fistick/Bloomberg
With German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble today ruling out a Greek exit, the 17-nation euro area faces the challenge of harnessing positive sentiment by resolving differences on aid for Greece and Spain before investors pounce again. Also contentious is how to knit euro nations more closely together amid spats over the timing and depth of a banking union.
“The summit will highlight how much remains to be done,” said Alex White, an economist at JPMorgan Chase & Co. in London. “Our concern is that the removal of acute financial market stimuli may reduce the political incentive to deliver.”
That respite is the result of the European Central Bank’s bond-buying pledge last month and the enactment of a 500-billion euro ($647.5 billion) permanent rescue fund, the European Stability Mechanism. Nerves are returning to markets as Spain’s 10-year bonds advanced for a second week after Standard & Poor’s cut the nation’s debt rating to one level above non-investment grade.
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After six years pointing out how flawed the global warming computer models were and how global warming was primarily caused by natural causes and being attacked by many on this board, I have now been vindicated. This quote from an article identified below:
The new data, compiled from more than 3,000 measuring points on land and sea, was issued quietly on the internet, without any media fanfare, and, until today, it has not been reported.
This stands in sharp contrast to the release of the previous figures six months ago, which went only to the end of 2010 – a very warm year.
Ending the data then means it is possible to show a slight warming trend since 1997, but 2011 and the first eight months of 2012 were much cooler, and thus this trend is erased.
More…
Wettest start to autumn for 12 years as South West continues to be battered by torrential rain
Some climate scientists, such as Professor Phil Jones, director of the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, last week dismissed the significance of the plateau, saying that 15 or 16 years is too short a period from which to draw conclusions.
Others disagreed. Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’.
Even Prof Jones admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun. However, he said he was still convinced that the current decade would end up significantly warmer than the previous two.
(No) global warming …..I have now been vindicated.
I don’t really have a dog in this hunt but I know science and how it works. The fact that you think you’ve been “vindicated” by such a weak trend in a brief window of time shows you are hopelessly biased when it comes to science.
You just are biased. I don’t think you’d acknowledge a true scientific trend conflicting with your dogma if it jumped up and danced the Mambo.
No Rio, you don’t. All man made global warming had going for it was an equally short period of time. If you understand science you will be able to see that if Co2 was the primary driver beyond climate with all the co2 added to the atmosphere it would be impossible to not increase over the last 15 years.
It is you that cannot seem to see facts right before you. Contrary to your posts Brazil is not this wonderful example of anything. Low per capita income and now growth has slowed to virtually nothing. Ethanol has ravaged the environment and unless you can find people to exploit to cut sugar cane for a few dollars a day it is not a viable alternative. Moreover, energy independence only occurred when U.S. companies did their oil drilling now that they are going it on their own, you will see them back as an oil importer. Ireland with free enterprise has succeeded much more than Brazil with socialism but you are so bias you cannot see the failure of Brazil to truly narrow the income gap.
My previous post has not posted by some evidence of the bubble
According to Serasa Experian, many of those accessing new credit are from the emerging middle class. In 2011, around 9 million Brazilians received credit for the first time. Many are under the age of 35, part of the so-called Generation Y looking to buy a car or smartphone. Credit growth was especially strong in retail stores outside of major cities, with rising credit in the North and Northeast. But some are finding they’ve bitten off more than they can chew. The new middle class has a high debt burden, a June study by FGV found. Nearly a quarter of those who earned up to $1,030 and nearly a quarter of those who earned between $1,30 and $2,360 a month said they spend at least half of their salary to pay off debt.
Property prices and housing finance are on a tear in Brazil, leading to fears of a bubble. Housing prices have risen by over 10% so far this year on a nationwide basis. Meanwhile, home loans increased at an annual pace of over 40% in the first half of 2012, much faster than the 18% expansion in overall credit. This eye-catching growth is raising concern. Lending booms preceded the housing busts in Spain and the US. However, Brazil is a different story in a number of important respects.
There is no question that housing prices in Brazil have surged in recent years. In the country’s two largest cities – Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo – prices have risen at an annual pace of over 20% (Chart 1). Such fast rises are not sustainable, but we do not foresee a sharp reversal. The fact that the speed of housing price increases has begun to slow should help mitigate concern.
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Brazil is different housing prices around 30 times the average income and they want to say it is not a bubble. They had real growth for a a few years due to feeding natural resources to China and then they turned to a rapid increase in private debt. What could go wrong?
I posted on the environmental damage yesterday but this is form a June 16, 2008 LA Times Article:
Biofuels may help reduce humanity’s carbon footprint, but the social footprint is substantial.
“These workers should have a break, a place to eat and access to a proper restroom,” Marcus Vinicius Goncalves, a government labor cop in suit and tie, declared in the midst of a snarl of felled stalks and bedraggled cane cutters here. “This is degrading treatment.”
More than 300,000 farmworkers are seasonal cane cutters in Brazil, the government says. By most accounts, their work and living conditions range from basic to deplorable to outright servitude.
“Brazil has a great climate, great land and technology, but a lot of the competitive edge for biofuels is due to worker exploitation — from slave work to underpayment,” said Leonardo Sakamoto, a political scientist who runs a nonprofit labor watchdog group in Sao Paulo.
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Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-10-14 19:51:23
“These workers should have a break, a place to eat and access to a proper restroom,” Marcus Vinicius Goncalves, a , declared in the midst of a snarl of felled stalks and bedraggled cane cutters
LOL! Brazil’s ’socialist’ energy-independence frightens right-wingers so much that they’ll sing the praises of a “government labor cop in suit and tie” demanding workers’ rights!
In campaign 2012, both President Obama and Mitt Romney are preparing for Tuesday’s second presidential debate: No fund raisers, no major appearances, mostly study.
While that takes place, Republicans continue hammering the president on the administration’s handling of the attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya.
To say that the stakes are high in Tuesday’s town hall debate could well be an understatement. The president’s performance in the first debate was widely criticized, and Romney surged in the polls. He now holds a slight lead over the president.
Under pressure to turn it around, Mr. Obama will also have to defend his response to last months attack in Benghazi, which killed four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens. The administration is under increasing criticism for initially refusing to call the attacks terrorism.
In an exchange with Bob Schieffer on “Face the Nation,” Senator Lindsey Graham, a senior member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, was harsh.
“I think they have been misleading us, but it finally caught up with them,” Graham said.
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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 16:46:01
I’m frankly amazed the 99% are increasingly willing to support the anti-47% candidate in light of the ever-growing concentration of American wealth in the hands of the 0.1%.
A painting of 17th-century Venice, with a view of the banks of the Grand Canal and the Doge’s Palace, by Leandro Bassano.
By CHRYSTIA FREELAND
Published: October 13, 2012
IN the early 14th century, Venice was one of the richest cities in Europe. At the heart of its economy was the colleganza, a basic form of joint-stock company created to finance a single trade expedition. The brilliance of the colleganza was that it opened the economy to new entrants, allowing risk-taking entrepreneurs to share in the financial upside with the established businessmen who financed their merchant voyages.
Venice’s elites were the chief beneficiaries. Like all open economies, theirs was turbulent. Today, we think of social mobility as a good thing. But if you are on top, mobility also means competition. In 1315, when the Venetian city-state was at the height of its economic powers, the upper class acted to lock in its privileges, putting a formal stop to social mobility with the publication of the Libro d’Oro, or Book of Gold, an official register of the nobility. If you weren’t on it, you couldn’t join the ruling oligarchy.
The political shift, which had begun nearly two decades earlier, was so striking a change that the Venetians gave it a name: La Serrata, or the closure. It wasn’t long before the political Serrata became an economic one, too. Under the control of the oligarchs, Venice gradually cut off commercial opportunities for new entrants. Eventually, the colleganza was banned. The reigning elites were acting in their immediate self-interest, but in the longer term, La Serrata was the beginning of the end for them, and for Venetian prosperity more generally. By 1500, Venice’s population was smaller than it had been in 1330. In the 17th and 18th centuries, as the rest of Europe grew, the city continued to shrink.
The story of Venice’s rise and fall is told by the scholars Daron Acemoglu and James A. Robinson, in their book “Why Nations Fail: The Origins of Power, Prosperity, and Poverty,” as an illustration of their thesis that what separates successful states from failed ones is whether their governing institutions are inclusive or extractive. Extractive states are controlled by ruling elites whose objective is to extract as much wealth as they can from the rest of society. Inclusive states give everyone access to economic opportunity; often, greater inclusiveness creates more prosperity, which creates an incentive for ever greater inclusiveness.
The history of the United States can be read as one such virtuous circle. But as the story of Venice shows, virtuous circles can be broken. Elites that have prospered from inclusive systems can be tempted to pull up the ladder they climbed to the top. Eventually, their societies become extractive and their economies languish.
That was the future predicted by Karl Marx, who wrote that capitalism contained the seeds of its own destruction. And it is the danger America faces today, as the 1 percent pulls away from everyone else and pursues an economic, political and social agenda that will increase that gap even further — ultimately destroying the open system that made America rich and allowed its 1 percent to thrive in the first place.
You can see America’s creeping Serrata in the growing social and, especially, educational chasm between those at the top and everyone else. At the bottom and in the middle, American society is fraying, and the children of these struggling families are lagging the rest of the world at school.
Economists point out that the woes of the middle class are in large part a consequence of globalization and technological change. Culture may also play a role. In his recent book on the white working class, the libertarian writer Charles Murray blames the hollowed-out middle for straying from the traditional family values and old-fashioned work ethic that he says prevail among the rich (whom he castigates, but only for allowing cultural relativism to prevail).
There is some truth in both arguments. But the 1 percent cannot evade its share of responsibility for the growing gulf in American society. Economic forces may be behind the rising inequality, but as Peter R. Orszag, President Obama’s former budget chief, told me, public policy has exacerbated rather than mitigated these trends.
Even as the winner-take-all economy has enriched those at the very top, their tax burden has lightened. Tolerance for high executive compensation has increased, even as the legal powers of unions have been weakened and an intellectual case against them has been relentlessly advanced by plutocrat-financed think tanks. In the 1950s, the marginal income tax rate for those at the top of the distribution soared above 90 percent, a figure that today makes even Democrats flinch. Meanwhile, of the 400 richest taxpayers in 2009, 6 paid no federal income tax at all, and 27 paid 10 percent or less. None paid more than 35 percent.
Historically, the United States has enjoyed higher social mobility than Europe, and both left and right have identified this economic openness as an essential source of the nation’s economic vigor. But several recent studies have shown that in America today it is harder to escape the social class of your birth than it is in Europe. The Canadian economist Miles Corak has found that as income inequality increases, social mobility falls — a phenomenon Alan B. Krueger, the chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, has called the Great Gatsby Curve.
Educational attainment, which created the American middle class, is no longer rising. The super-elite lavishes unlimited resources on its children, while public schools are starved of funding. This is the new Serrata. An elite education is increasingly available only to those already at the top. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama enrolled their daughters in an exclusive private school; I’ve done the same with mine.
At the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, earlier this year, I interviewed Ruth Simmons, then the president of Brown. She was the first African-American to lead an Ivy League university and has served on the board of Goldman Sachs. Dr. Simmons, a Harvard-trained literature scholar, worked hard to make Brown more accessible to poor students, but when I asked whether it was time to abolish legacy admissions, the Ivy League’s own Book of Gold, she shrugged me off with a laugh: “No, I have a granddaughter. It’s not time yet.”
America’s Serrata also takes a more explicit form: the tilting of the economic rules in favor of those at the top. The crony capitalism of today’s oligarchs is far subtler than Venice’s. It works in two main ways.
The first is to channel the state’s scarce resources in their own direction. This is the absurdity of Mitt Romney’s comment about the “47 percent” who are “dependent upon government.” The reality is that it is those at the top, particularly the tippy-top, of the economic pyramid who have been most effective at capturing government support — and at getting others to pay for it.
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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 23:46:05
The first is to channel the state’s scarce resources in their own direction. This is the absurdity of Mitt Romney’s comment about the “47 percent” who are “dependent upon government.” The reality is that it is those at the top, particularly the tippy-top, of the economic pyramid who have been most effective at capturing government support — and at getting others to pay for it.
Exhibit A is the bipartisan, $700 billion rescue of Wall Street in 2008. Exhibit B is the crony recovery. The economists Emmanuel Saez and Thomas Piketty found that 93 percent of the income gains from the 2009-10 recovery went to the top 1 percent of taxpayers. The top 0.01 percent captured 37 percent of these additional earnings, gaining an average of $4.2 million per household.
The second manifestation of crony capitalism is more direct: the tax perks, trade protections and government subsidies that companies and sectors secure for themselves. Corporate pork is a truly bipartisan dish: green energy companies and the health insurers have been winners in this administration, as oil and steel companies were under George W. Bush’s.
Case in point: Why should a financially-savvy millionaire, who can easily afford to pay cash for a $12-million dollar home, qualify for a six-figure property tax cut when he learns that he overpaid?
Romneys, caught in housing bust, got tax cut in La Jolla Reassessment of their $12-million home, one of many reductions in San Diego County, has saved $109,000 over four years.
August 05, 2012|By Robin Abcarian, Los Angeles Times
Mitt and Ann Romney were easily able to afford a $12-million La Jolla home.
But that didn’t insulate them from the winds buffeting the real estate market in the months following their purchase in 2008.
After paying cash for the Mediterranean-style house with 61 feet of beach frontage, they asked San Diego County for dramatic property tax relief.
Romney, the presumptive GOP nominee for president whose wealth is estimated at $250 million, has rejected calls from Democrats and Republicans to release his income tax returns prior to 2010. But San Diego County assessor records shed light on one sliver of the couple’s personal taxes during that time: a months-long effort to reduce their annual property tax bill.
Initially, the Romneys asked that their 2009 assessment, $12.24 million, be reduced to $6.8 million, maintaining that their home had lost about 45% of its value in the first seven months they owned it.
Thirteen months later, after hiring an attorney to guide them, the Romneys filed an amended appeal, contending the home had suffered a less-dramatic fall of 27.3%, to $8.9 million.
They also filed an appeal for the 2010 tax year, claiming the house had dropped further, to $7.5 million, 38.7% less than the home’s assessed value.
As a result, the Romneys have saved about $109,000 in property taxes over four years.
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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 23:55:57
It is no accident that in America today the gap between the very rich and everyone else is wider than at any time since the Gilded Age. Now, as then, the titans are seeking an even greater political voice to match their economic power. Now, as then, the inevitable danger is that they will confuse their own self-interest with the common good. The irony of the political rise of the plutocrats is that, like Venice’s oligarchs, they threaten the system that created them.
The first public (non-classroom) lecture I ever heard given by a professional economist was by one J.K. Galbraith. As I recall, a core theme of his talk focused on the problems which arose leading up to the Great Depression due to an extreme concentration of wealth into the hands of a shrinking slice of the populace.
Sadly, we currently are there again, and in fact even more so.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 16:53:36
Ya gotta hand it to the Madison Avenue team running the slick etch-a-sketch ad campaign: They’ve done a great job of reinventing Romney’s image overnight!
Mitt Romney won more than just a debate in Denver; he won an opportunity to take the presidency away from Barack Obama. If he plays his cards right, he can repeat his own history and become the 45th President of the United States.
Until the evening got under way, Romney was on the verge of becoming a cartoon character. Obama’s admen spent millions during the summer reducing him to a one-dimensional figure, a rich, heartless plutocrat who cared nothing for the people he was courting. That changed with the debate. Gone was the W. Mitt Scissorhands of Obama’s relentless ad attacks. Instead, Romney looked comfortable in his skin, at ease with ideas, happy to be there and full of confidence. Voters got to see him with no filter. It was like meeting someone you had never met. And for a lot of us who know and respect him, it was therapeutic to see. (For Obama, the look was not so refreshing. After the debate, the Secret Service probably considered giving the President a new code name: Mr. Sandman.)
In ways that were not apparent at first, the debate recast the race as a choice between a smile and a smirk. Romney’s first opportunity is to lock in the chance to be the smiling, optimistic face of American politics, much as Ronald Reagan was in the 1980s. Romney now looks like the more excited of the pair, the candidate brimming with ideas, the one who seems to want the job more and relish its challenges. That’s always very appealing, but especially in times of economic pain and uncertainty. For more than a year the President’s shaky management of the economy has made him the country’s second choice for President. (Romney’s problem had been that he was Americans’ third choice.) But now, if Mitt can capture the role of Mr. Big-Picture Confidence while Obama sticks with his grinding, nit-picking strategy of running a small campaign about small things, the race could continue to move in Romney’s favor.
The second opportunity is about Romney’s image as a problem solver. In the nick of time, he’s freed himself from the ideological-litmus-test drudgery of the Republican primaries and made it clear that he is first and foremost a friendly, economic fix-it man. That is the only kind of Republican who can prevail in a country where changing demographics have made winning national office no easy task for the GOP.
The third opportunity turns on confidence. Romney’s success in Denver has given his campaign the maneuvering room to do something it has been scared to do until now: move back to the political center. This was already happening before the debate—Romney quietly took more-moderate positions on taxes and deficit reduction in September—but it has continued since, mostly in an effort to win the white college-educated female voters Romney badly needs. He can now embrace his naturally more centrist side without fear of reprisal from the GOP’s conservative base. After looking defeat in the eye throughout September, the party’s movement-conservative warlords have decided, all things being equal, it’s a lot more fun to win.
We know how the Obama team is going to react to this. It will do what all campaigns do when staring into an abyss of plunging polls: it will try to fight off panic by overcompensating. Just when Romney is going to accentuate the positive, Obama’s guys in Chicago are likely to break out the ugly sticks and double down on their negative-ad strategy. Therein lies Romney’s greatest opportunity: as Obama goes small and negative, Romney can best him by ramping up his big positive message of economic repair and renewal. The attacks that worked so well for the Obama campaign over the summer won’t ring as true now to the millions of people who saw the debate. Obama’s biggest weakness is that the only vision his campaign is offering is an endless tirade of what’s wrong with Romney. That message, Big Bird ads and all, looks smaller than ever, and it’s no longer enough to save the President.
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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 17:27:48
Ozymandias
By Percy Bysshe Shelley
I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
… The story of Venice’s rise and fall is told by the scholars Daron Acemoglu and James A. Robinson, in their book “Why Nations Fail: The Origins of Power, Prosperity, and Poverty,” as an illustration of their thesis that what separates successful states from failed ones is whether their governing institutions are inclusive or extractive. Extractive states are controlled by ruling elites whose objective is to extract as much wealth as they can from the rest of society. Inclusive states give everyone access to economic opportunity; often, greater inclusiveness creates more prosperity, which creates an incentive for ever greater inclusiveness.
The history of the United States can be read as one such virtuous circle. But as the story of Venice shows, virtuous circles can be broken. Elites that have prospered from inclusive systems can be tempted to pull up the ladder they climbed to the top. Eventually, their societies become extractive and their economies languish.
That was the future predicted by Karl Marx, who wrote that capitalism contained the seeds of its own destruction. And it is the danger America faces today, as the 1 percent pulls away from everyone else and pursues an economic, political and social agenda that will increase that gap even further — ultimately destroying the open system that made America rich and allowed its 1 percent to thrive in the first place.
You can see America’s creeping Serrata in the growing social and, especially, educational chasm between those at the top and everyone else. At the bottom and in the middle, American society is fraying, and the children of these struggling families are lagging the rest of the world at school.
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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 17:51:47
…Even as the winner-take-all economy has enriched those at the very top, their tax burden has lightened. Tolerance for high executive compensation has increased, even as the legal powers of unions have been weakened and an intellectual case against them has been relentlessly advanced by plutocrat-financed think tanks. In the 1950s, the marginal income tax rate for those at the top of the distribution soared above 90 percent, a figure that today makes even Democrats flinch. Meanwhile, of the 400 richest taxpayers in 2009, 6 paid no federal income tax at all, and 27 paid 10 percent or less. None paid more than 35 percent.
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…even as the legal powers of unions have been weakened and an intellectual case against them has been relentlessly advanced by plutocrat-financed think tanks…
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-14 17:57:43
This is such a great article, I certainly hope all the 1% propagandists who post here read it in an attempt to deprogram themselves.
… America’s Serrata also takes a more explicit form: the tilting of the economic rules in favor of those at the top. The crony capitalism of today’s oligarchs is far subtler than Venice’s. It works in two main ways.
The first is to channel the state’s scarce resources in their own direction. This is the absurdity of Mitt Romney’s comment about the “47 percent” who are “dependent upon government.” The reality is that it is those at the top, particularly the tippy-top, of the economic pyramid who have been most effective at capturing government support — and at getting others to pay for it.
Exhibit A is the bipartisan, $700 billion rescue of Wall Street in 2008. Exhibit B is the crony recovery. The economists Emmanuel Saez and Thomas Piketty found that 93 percent of the income gains from the 2009-10 recovery went to the top 1 percent of taxpayers. The top 0.01 percent captured 37 percent of these additional earnings, gaining an average of $4.2 million per household.
The second manifestation of crony capitalism is more direct: the tax perks, trade protections and government subsidies that companies and sectors secure for themselves. Corporate pork is a truly bipartisan dish: green energy companies and the health insurers have been winners in this administration, as oil and steel companies were under George W. Bush’s.
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I’ve mentioned my friend who used a VA loan for a Flagstaff house. He makes about 80k/year but with a ton of overtime. They offered him 350k in loans, pretty much zero down. He took around 270k and is underwater after a year and a half.
SYDNEY (MarketWatch) — Asia stocks traded mostly lower Monday, with Chinese data giving investors mixed signals about the health of the economy there, and Europe’s debt troubles also weighing on sentiment.
Hong Kong’s Hang Seng Index lost 0.3%, while the Shanghai Composite Index declined 0.5%.
South Korea’s Kospi fell 0.3%, and Australia’s traded down 0.1%. Japan’s Nikkei Stock Average traded flat.
Data out Monday showed that Chinese consumer prices rose 1.9% year in September, in line with economist expectations, while producer prices dropped a sharper-than-forecast 3.6%. Read: China September consumer prices rise
“Inflation data continue to point to slack demand, with industrial prices contracting at a rapid pace. There’s no argument about it, the economy is yet to stabilize,” said Alistair Thornton, senior China economist at IHS Global Insight.
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The global economy is facing its third major brake on expansion in five years as emerging markets slow from China to Brazil, provoking debate about how much policy makers should respond.
Three years after industrializing nations led the world out of the U.S. mortgage meltdown-induced recession, the reliability of the power source is waning as Europe’s debt crisis persists. The International Monetary Fund sees them growing an average 5.8 percent in the half-decade through 2016, almost two percentage points less than the five years before the 2009 slump.
Finance chiefs at the IMF and World Bank annual meetings left Tokyo this weekend at odds over how to address the issue, with South Korea’s central bank chief urging Asia to add stimulus as Russia and Brazil called on rich nations to fix their own challenges. At stake is a world economy Bank of Israel Governor Stanley Fischer calls “awfully close” to recession.
“There is a concern that in the near term the engine of growth that provided such a great support seems to be slowing,” said Jacob Frenkel, chairman of JPMorgan Chase International and Fischer’s predecessor in Israel. “They still continue to grow, but we’re seeing a slower pace than anticipated all over the world.”
Europe’s Steps
The IMF meetings ended yesterday with both expressions of optimism that Europe now has a policy infrastructure to quell its turmoil, and a clash between Germany and the fund over what lies next for cash-strapped nations such as Greece.
Developed economies including Switzerland and Japan joined Brazil in sounding the alert on excess currency strength, while delegates disagreed over the right degree of budget austerity as they pushed the U.S. to avoid tumbling over its fiscal cliff.
“Ministers discussed a short-term response for the global economy, but their opinions weren’t harmonized in one direction,” South Korean Finance Minister Bahk Jae Wan told reporters in Tokyo. “The world has a leadership problem.”
Investors may still not be fully tuned into the risks, said Barry Eichengreen, an economics professor at the University of California, Berkeley. While U.S. stock benchmarks last week fell the most since June, the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index (SPX) is still up 19 percent from a year ago. By contrast, the MSCI Emerging Markets Index has risen less than 6 percent the past 12 months.
“I’m worried that stock markets in the United States in particular have gotten ahead of economic growth,” Eichengreen said in an interview in Tokyo.
China Growth
The size of the latest shock may be underscored this week, when China will report its economy probably grew 7.4 percent last quarter, according to the median estimate in a Bloomberg News survey. Such a pace would be the slowest in three years.
If unchecked, the fading could deal a blow to already-weak rich nations, warn economists. Slackening Chinese demand led Alcoa Inc. (AA), the largest American aluminum producer, to last week cut its forecast for worldwide consumption of the metal by 1 percentage point. The U.S. last week reported a widening trade gap for August as diminished global demand caused exports to fall to the lowest level since February.
China, the world’s second-largest economy, alone accounts for 65 percent of seaborne iron ore demand and 40 percent of copper consumption, leaving producers such as Australia, Brazil and Chile vulnerable, Gustavo Reis, a Bank of America Merrill Lynch economist in New York, said in an Oct. 5 report.
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TOKYO–The head of the International Monetary Fund Friday urged euro zone authorities to deploy the currency union’s bailout funds and the European Central Bank’s bond-buying program as part of an aggressive plan to tame its debt crisis.
Although IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde didn’t refer to any particular country when prodding the EU to wield its crisis-fighting weapons, Spain is the only country in the euro zone that’s currently mulling whether and when to tap the bailout funds.
The EU this week came under renewed pressure from the world’s finance ministers and central bankers at the IMF’s annual meetings to act more quickly to tame a financial crisis threatening to slam the brakes on the global growth.
The ECB has said it’s prepared to pull the trigger on new program to buy bonds of ailing member countries, but only if they apply for a conditional bailout loan from the EUR500 billion European Stability Fund, which came online earlier this week.
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TOKYO—The International Monetary Fund and Europe remain deadlocked over how to tackle Greece’s debt crisis, with Europe willing to consider only lower interest rates and longer debt repayments, while the IMF is pushing for a debt restructuring, according to senior European officials.
“We are still apart. Time is tight and there is a need for a common line,” a senior European official with direct involvement in the matter said.
The official said that a number of euro-zone countries, led by Germany, see the Greek problem “as one of adjustment and structural reforms over time; the IMF sees it more as a debt issue, which must be addressed at once.”
While the IMF is prepared to examine various ways that could eventually lead to debt reduction, including yet another bailout package by the euro zone that will help Athens return to growth and cut its debt level, its preferred method is a reduction in the amount of debt outstanding—what is referred to as a “haircut.”
But a haircut is anathema in the euro zone because of political repercussions.
Officials said that the IMF has made it clear to the Europeans that it isn’t prepared to extend more money to Athens without a move that leads to a cut in the debt level first. Apart from the limits imposed on it by its statutes, the IMF is unwilling to risk its credibility before possibly being asked to take part in a much larger bailout of Spain.
Greece’s debt sustainability is among the top matters discussed at the IMF’s annual meetings under way in Tokyo. The second bailout agreement in March defined debt sustainability as 120% of gross domestic product by 2020. But the Fund’s fiscal monitor said Tuesday that ratio would climb to 170.7% of GDP this year, and a whopping 181.8% of GDP in 2013, because of the recession being worse than expected. That suggests the 120% target is out of reach. Officials said the IMF believes that by 2020, the debt-to-GDP ratio will be close to 150%.
“This means that the IMF won’t sign off the next loan payment until the other creditors take the necessary action to cut the debt level,” a second European official said. “While they are debating on what is the best course of action, Greece will run out of money some time in November.”
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More Greek Euro Exit Looms if IMF, Euro Zone Can’t Agree
For some time, there has been talk of a growing housing bubble in Canada.
Robert Shiller, the economist who famously predicted the U.S. housing bubble, has told CBC News’ Neil Macdonald, “I worry that what is happening in Canada is kind of a slow-motion version of what happened in the U.S.”
Macdonald writes that Shiller and other economists are most worried about household debt, which has ballooned from 75 percent of household income in 1990, to 150 percent today.
And most of this debt is held by the most “vulnerable households—defined as those devoting 40 percent or more of household income to paying interest charges.”
While these debt levels are said to be about the same level of U.S. household debt around the time of its bubble, Shiller does clarify that if the Canadian housing bubble were to burst, Canada’s experience would be quite different from America’s.
This is in part because Canadian banks aren’t neck-deep in a subprime lending debacle, and because the mortgages are insured by the government via the Canadian Mortgage Housing Corp.
Rosenberg doesn’t think Canadian home prices are sustainable
Gluskin Sheff’s David Rosenberg has previously warned “Canada is carving out a top, while the United States is seemingly carving out a bottom.”
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SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — When Facebook Chief Executive Mark Zuckerberg publicly acknowledged for the first time that the company’s post-IPO stock performance was a real bummer, this columnist predicted that his long-overdue candor would present a short-term opportunity for traders taking long positions on the stock.
It did just that, with Facebook shares rising by 20% within two weeks of Zuckerberg’s mid-September remarks, which signaled that the idealistic Harvard dropout would be more attuned to the profit demands of Wall Street.
But with the company’s third-quarter earnings report now looming on Oct. 23, that momentum-trading party is over, as Facebook shares have dropped back near their levels of early September.
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“The night of 13-14 October 1942 was known simply as “The Night” to the Americans who lived through it………marked the nadir of the campaign for the Allies.”
“Determined to knock out Henderson Field and protect their soldiers landing west of Koli Point, the enemy commanders sent the battleships “Kongo” and “Haruna” into Ironbottom Sound to bombard the Marine positions. The usual Japanese flare planes heralded the bombardment, 80 minutes of sheer hell which had 14 inch shells (973 rounds)exploding with such effect, that the accompanying cruiser fire was barely noticed. No one was safe. No place was safe. No dugout had been built to withstand 14 inch shells.
One witness…opined that there was nothing worse than helplessly being on the receiving end of naval gunfire. He remembered “…huge trees being cut apart, and flying around like toothpicks.”
The airfield and it’s environs were a shambles when dawn broke. The shelling …..had left General Geiger with a handful of aircraft still flyable …..and a death toll of 41 (including the squadron commander executive officer and all of the Section leaders of a newly arrived dive bomber squadron VMSB-141, and 26 out of 29 of their aircraft).
Wrecks in the Ironbottom Sound
If only we had tried to understand the Japanese, included them in our culture and appeased them…WWII would have never happened.
“WW11 would have never happened.”
Don’t forget to include that Adolf guy in your thinking.
Then again, had Wiemar Germany not been backed into a corner and bankrupted with reparation payments, Hitler would never have risen to power. Fortunately we learned that lesson and helped our former enemies after the war rather than subjugate them, a wise move that paid off.
We did try. It’s called “diplomacy.”
Unfortunately, they were hell bent on conquering China and allying with Nazi Germany so cut off their scrap metal supply. Which really pissed them off.
Much to their inevitable regret.
Will The Election Results Cause Massive Riots To Erupt All Over America?
“Will the most divisive campaign in modern American history culminate in massive riots in our major cities? Right now, supporters of Barack Obama and supporters of Mitt Romney are both pinning all of their hopes on a victory on November 6th. The race for the presidency is extremely tight, and obviously the side that loses is going to be extremely disappointed when the election results are finalized. But could this actually lead to violence? Could we actually see rioting in communities all over America? Well, the conditions are certainly ripe for it.
The election is nearly four weeks away, and many Obama supporters are already threatening to riot if Obama loses. The following are some very disturbing messages that were posted on Twitter recently that have been reposted on Twitchy.com….
“If Romney wins I’m Starting a Riot….Who’s WIT ME???”
“I Hope The USA Is Well Aware That If In The Event This Character Romney Wins The Election, The People Will Start A Country Wide Riot! #Power”
“If Romney is elected president, its gon be a riot its gon be a riot.”
“If ROMNEY GETS IN THE WHITE HOUSE …U MIGHT AS WELL KILL ME NOW …..CAUSE ITS GONNA BE A ************ RIOT !!!”
“If Romney became President and took away welfare Downtown Cincinnati would become a riot”
“If Romney takes away food stamps 2 Chainzz in this bit IMMA START A RIOT”
“If Romney wins. (which i highly doubt) THERE WILL BE A RIOT—”
The following are a few more tweets that I found which threaten a potential riot if Obama loses the election….
From @joecools_world….
“Need 2 come up wit a game plan if Romney win…. Riot all thru Newark”
From @killacate….
“I swear on everything I love if Romney wins ima riot. I don’t even care if its just me.”
http://www.infowars.com/will-the-election-results-cause-massive-riots-to-erupt-all-over-america/
I think not. Every four years, people freak out, and every four years, people seem to be more relieved that the election is over than anything. You need to have a minimum number of rioters to have a riot and I don’t think the density is high enough, unlike sports fans or college kids.
Our biggest hope is for a replay of Florida 2000 here in Colorado because of a few thousand Gary Johnson voters. The Long Hot Summer, coming this November
as long as street level drug dealers are safe in this economy there will be no riots..
If I recall correctly, the last time people rioted after a US Presidential election, it was in Dade County, FL, and the participants were all wearing button-down shirts and leather shoes. And had been flown down from DC especially for the event….
This makes the wild assumption that riots will only happen if their side loses. I would think decades of experience with sports fans and college students shows that the riots after a win are about as bad as the riots after a loss.
Either way, they’ll be guns shot in the air, a couple burning couches, maybe flip a couple cop cars… thats probably about it.
Another huge problem is weather. Nation wide riots? Sure, as long as you define nation wide as south of the mason dixon line. The weather outdoors is stereotypically pretty miserable outdoors up north. “Come on rioters, wait for me to get there, I gotta put on my snow pants and moon boots, and where’s my mittens”.
Then you add in the difficulty that the ideal spot for a riot would be in front of the opposition’s headquarters, but on election day all the ring leaders need to be out in the distant precincts stuffing ballot boxes.
Old people vote. Young rioters, no. I can just imagine the 55+ retirement community going nuts and old guys smashing windows and hauling away cartons of Depends.
Finally most people are content that their vote doesn’t count. My state’s electoral votes are all going “O”… I’m not throwing my vote away on a D or an R I’m voting for Johnson and I’m hardly going to riot.
I can just imagine the 55+ retirement community going nuts and old guys smashing windows and hauling away cartons of Depends.
Don’t give them any ideas. The type of protest that worries me is the one when every 70+ collectively decides to protest by driving their cars for a couple of hrs.
No farmers market wil, be safe!
My state’s electoral votes are all going “O”
Interesting…..Are there people who voted for Walker but would not vote for RMoney?
Interesting, I guess you missed the “electoral” part of electoral vote.
270 to win shows Wisconsin as still undecided.
The young will be too busy playing their Xboxes to hear about any sorta election.
IMO there will be riots as “the looser” will fan the flames of discontent with lies and propaganda.
“Will The Election Results Cause Massive Riots To Erupt All Over America?”
NO.
Agree 100% unless 269-269 EC tie.
Doesn’t matter. There is nothing major at stake in the election outcome, and a large part of the electorate (particularly the least educated, most riot-prone part) is mostly oblivious, anyway.
Will The Election Results Cause Massive Riots To Erupt All Over America?
Not likely.
Now, if food stamps were eliminated, then maybe. But we know that won’t happen, no matter who wins. The Tea Partiers are confident this will happen if their guy wins, but we all know that it won’t. If anything, food stamp usage will continue to increase (like it did under Bush). As others have said, food stamps exist to protect the elite, not the poor. They know that $100B isn’t a lot to spend to keep the natives at ease.
Yep. Cut off access to food, alcohol or drugs, and riots would be soon to follow.
The most extreme thing that is even remotely realistic is for food stamps to be combined with a few other programs and block granted to the states with no requirements that they actually use them for food stamps. Even that is highly unlikely.
Agreed, the Dems will still be able to filibuster, which of course means that “Obamacare” won’t be going away, contrary to Romney’s promises.
Can food stamps still be traded for cash, that the trader can then use to purchase drugs or alcohol? (This was the situation a couple of decades back, the last time I paid any attention…)
They are mostly administered as an EBT (electronic benefits transfer) card, not as paper stamps. Cards can be “borrowed” or “lost” in exchange for cash.
“Can food stamps still be traded for cash”
Tide is as good as cash/gold (and more useful!)
GRIME WAVE
It’s a dirty job: Police nationwide take on soaring Tide detergent theft
By M.L. Nestel Monday, March 12, 2012
The Daily
Theft of Tide detergent has become so rampant that authorities from New York to Oregon are keeping tabs on the soap spree, and some cities are setting up special task forces to stop it. And retailers like CVS are taking special security precautions to lock down the liquid.
One Tide taker in West St. Paul, Minn., made off with $25,000 in the product over 15 months before he was busted last year.
“That was unique that he stole so much soap,” said West St. Paul Police Chief Bud Shaver. “The name brand is [all] Tide. Amazing, huh?”
Tide has become a form of currency on the streets. The retail price is steadily high — roughly $10 to $20 a bottle — and it’s a staple in households across socioeconomic classes.
Tide can go for $5 to $10 a bottle on the black market, authorities say. Enterprising laundry soap peddlers even resell bottles to stores.
“There’s no serial numbers and it’s impossible to track,” said Detective Larry Patterson of the Somerset, Ky., Police Department, where authorities have seen a huge spike in Tide theft. “It’s the item to steal.”
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/03/12/031212-news-tide-theft-1-4/
No riots. But that is the mentality of the free sh*t arm.
No riots. But that is the mentality of the free sh*t arm.
I know. They think they are entitled to jobs. (As if the 1% needs to hire anyone)
(As if the 1% needs to hire anyone)
Well…they do need things from a few people. But all the face to face and critical maintenance stuff can be handled by a few wannabes who look and act just like them and everything else can be sourced from virtual slaves far away who will work for subsistence wages.
“The election is nearly four weeks away, and many Obama supporters are already threatening to riot if Obama loses.”
LOL…Only 3.5 years to create so many dependent freaks.
‘Obama supporters are already threatening to riot’
If they are using the internet, their IPs have been flagged. Maybe these ’supporters’ should have spent a little more time standing up to the police state apparatus that Obama has boosted. I have no idea if riots will occur, but as we saw with the Occupy protests, even large gatherings won’t be tolerated for long.
Anyway, I thought the Obama campaign had this one in the bag?
Well, you saw first hand how the Ron Paul supporters were squashed in Arizona.
I see no reason why the Republican political apparatus couldn’t use similar tactics to smash Obama support. I see evidence right here on the HBB every time 2-ti-fruitti posts.
Any “news/media/blog” that takes trolls seriously has lost all credibility.
Trolls help to legitimize covert actions to usurp the democratic political process in the U.S.
Even worse that anyone here would even take it seriously.
+1
I take the propaganda as a serious threat to the open political process which helped make America unique in the history of nation building. We have reached a point where money flows buy the services of individuals who pretend to represent independent political voices, but who are in fact paid prostitutes for political power block which represents the interests of a small extremely wealthy minority. Some of these individuals post repeatedly right here on the HBB.
Unfortunately, propaganda messages repeated often enough turn into a semblance of truth in the minds of a poorly-educated citizenry.
money flows buy the services of individuals who pretend to represent independent political voices, but who are in fact paid prostitutes for political power block which represents the interests of a small extremely wealthy minority.
Concentration of wealth in the hands of the few is detrimental to democracy.
anybody out there making any cash flipping houses? Please share your story.
Darryl Is A Liar
I don’t believe azdude is Darryl; posts are way too short…
LOL
Space Jump live on Discovery Channel.
Armando is coming to town. I will be attending for the course. I have nothing to lose…I am going to stop being an average, eliminate debt and make money.
Questions From a Bailout Eyewitness
By GRETCHEN MORGENSON
Published: October 13, 2012
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/14/business/sheila-bairs-big-questions-about-bank-bailouts.html?ref=business
Tease (but you seriously want to read the whole thing - trust me on this):
But perhaps the most telling anecdote is from early October 2008, when Henry M. Paulson Jr., the Treasury secretary, summoned Ms. Bair to his office. No reason was given for the meeting. When she arrived, Ben S. Bernanke, the Federal Reserve chairman, was already there. Timothy F. Geithner, then the president of the New York Fed, was on the phone.
Handed a piece of paper, Ms. Bair saw that she had been ambushed. It was a script, prepared for her by the Treasury and the Fed, stating that the F.D.I.C. was moving to guarantee all the liabilities in the financial system. Astonishingly, the guarantee would cover all bank depositors and even protect unsecured claims against institutions. In short, the F.D.I.C. was being asked to back “everybody against everything in the $13 trillion banking system,” Ms. Bair writes.
Dumbfounded, she told the men she had to discuss the plan with the F.D.I.C. board. Over a few days, they came up with a better, less costly plan.
If she had gone along, Ms. Bair said in an interview last week, “everyone who held bank debt would have immediately gotten a windfall profit,” as their bonds and other bank securities rose in value on the F.D.I.C. backing. “Of course, I wasn’t going to do that,” she adds, “and we ended up with a program that only guaranteed the renewal of expiring debt, which is where the problem was. And we charged a fee.”
Ms. Bair didn’t know it at the time, but this was the first of many situations when the Treasury and the Fed hoped to leave the F.D.I.C. holding the bag. She objected as often as she could, viewing these moves as attempts to assign responsibility for egregious behavior to hundreds of smaller institutions that did nothing to bring about the crisis.
Dems finally go bonkers
NY Post | October 14, 2012 | MICHAEL GOODWIN
The Democratic Party has lost its mind and its way. Its political philosophy of inclusion and progress has been consumed by virulent strains of anger, dishonesty and intolerance. Its leaders don’t just want to win an election; they want to silence any American who disagrees with them.
Consider the latest evidence.
The White House, on defense over the assassination of our Libyan ambassador after Washington reduced security, launched a frantic search for a scapegoat. It first blamed protests over an anti-Muslim video and, when forced to admit the protests never existed, pointed fingers at intelligence officials and managers in the State Department. Watch your back, Hillary.
A campaign aide, with a straight face, also insisted that the terrorist attack is an issue only because Republicans politicized it. The buck doesn’t stop at this president’s desk.
A desperate Obama resorts to calling his opponent a “liar,” and his latest promise is to preserve taxpayer subsidies for public television’s cash cow, Big Bird. The tactic is denounced even by supporters as more cartoonish than the giant yellow canary. No matter — it’s a victory because another day passes without discussion of jobs, the debt, deficit or Iran.
They actually applaud that Biden’s interruptions — more than 100 of them — prevented any sustained, serious discussion. To hell with America, party comes first.
Despite Biden’s assertion that “facts matter,” they didn’t to him. Catholic bishops insist he misstated the terms of ObamaCare’s contraception mandate on their institutions. And although he was patently dishonest about his own votes on Iraq and Afghanistan, no Dem complained because they loved his venomous attacks on Ryan. As reader David Zukerman put it, “To see or hear Biden is to understand that, for the hard left, reality is a function of expression, and to understand, further, why there is an absence of any bipartisan spirit in Washington.”
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Western Europe has gone 65 years without a war, so the European Union gets a Nobel Peace Prize. That’s cool — if it comes with a “claw-back” provision. Chances are rising peace won’t hold once the EU runs out of other people’s money.
I think you will see gunfire and a revolution in Spain and Belgium before its all over.
Revolutions happen to overthrow governments. As long as the ballot box is there, they have non violent options.
If anyone will threaten “violence” it will be the banksters, with their demands for austerity. If the Spaniards become desperate enough, they might just turn the country over to the communists. And while that will be bad for the people, it will be even worse for the bankers.
Bailouts for the banksters, austerity for the masses.
Why would this kind of policy spark riots? Sounds perfectly fair to me…
Our neighbors south of the border have rejected the PAN and restored the PRI to power, hoping that an end to their austerity will help stem the tide of violence that has overwhelmed their nation since the pro-big-biz PAN took over 12 years ago.
A desperate Obama resorts to calling his opponent a “liar,”
According to the NY Post?
What is so “desperate” about pointing out the truth? Romney is a liar - much more so than even most politicians. The first day of the Repub Convention was themed on a lie - “We built That” that lied about what Obama was saying. Ryan’s acceptance speech was peppered with lies. Romney lied about his agenda in the debate and then Biden called out Ryan out on his many lies at the debate. It the Karl Rove school of constant lies targeted towards busy, biased and/or ignorant voters.
Word of the Month: Malarkey
“It’s the Karl Rove school of constant lies targeted towards busy, biased and/or ignorant voters.”
Is Rove the source of the Republican strategy of telling one lie after another with the utmost sincerity, in the hopes that manner will triumph over substance in the feeble minds of the American electorate?
It’s worked before, and it might well work again this time.
Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the Bushes have pretty much controlled the Repub party since the late 1970s.
They were very close friends during the Ford admin. and even knew each during Nixon.
Their history goes WAY aback.
This post is such a blatant non sequitur, it must have either been a misfire, a deliberate propaganda ploy to change topics, or both.
Why don’t you take your Republican propaganda to somewhere else where the readers are dumb enough to fall for it?
Cabana boy is such an obvious sock puppet shill I thought everyone knew this by now.
Somebody has to call him out in order to alert the clueless!
This post is such a blatant non sequitur, it must have either been a misfire, a deliberate propaganda ploy to change topics, or both.
I thought that was the Unknown Tenant’s forte. He must have the day off.
“Handed a piece of paper, Ms. Bair saw that she had been ambushed. It was a script, prepared for her by the Treasury and the Fed, stating that the F.D.I.C. was moving to guarantee all the liabilities in the financial system.”
She should have blown the whistle back then. Doesn’t do much good four years down the road!
Who says she didn’t but was ignored?
Hmmm, in fact, I seem to remember she DID say something about it but it was and has been lost in the noise.
How would she “blow the whistle”? They weren’t doing anything illegal.
Is there such a thing as an illegal act at that level of the power structure?
Sometimes when you rape the hotel maid, she gets mouthy. It can disrupt one’s orgy schedule.
“It can disrupt one’s orgy schedule.”
In The Dom’s case, it seems to have blown the lid on his entire lifestyle!
“It’s hard to argue against this narrative, not knowing what would have happened had cooler heads prevailed. But Sheila C. Bair, former chairwoman of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, is well positioned to question the dogma of the bailout brigade.”
First the Fed publicly denied any awareness of the housing bubble. Then, after the subprime lending sector vaporized completely, the word from the top was ‘subprime is contained.’ A year later, the crisis response was one of 24/7 panic from the top (during George W. Bush’s Republican presidency!!!!).
Vote Republican next month if you want a near-term replay.
Which of the presidential candidates is most likely to end this type of policy to routinely screw the masses in order to keep Wall Street banksters’ multi-million dollar paychecks flowing?
And what eventually happened was that a federal guarantee was summarily slapped on GSE bonds, which gave everyone who owned them a windfall profit.
Which presidential candidate is more likely to nominate Ms. Bair to a seat on the Federal Reserve Board? (BTW, I believe she is a Republican…)
more likely to nominate Ms. Bair to a seat on the Federal Reserve Board? (BTW, I believe she is a Republican…)
She’d be blocked- by the Republicans.
She’s my kind of political critic: The equal opportunity kind.
Sheila Bair is still not happy with Obama on housing
Posted by Suzy Khimm at 12:19 PM ET, 03/28/2012
By now, Sheila Bair must be used to feeling like a Cassandra.
As head of the FDIC, she warned bank investors and Bush’s Treasury Department about the coming subprime crisis in 2007, only to have her concerns brushed aside. Bair, a Republican, then urged the Obama administration to move aggressively and pour money into mortgage modifications, but it was only after she left office in July that the White House decided to expand its refinancing. In a new Q&A with the National Journal, Bair explains why she believes the administration’s efforts on housing have fallen short–exacerbating the housing crisis–and what the government could still do to help turn things around.
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Friday, October 12, 2012
Former FDIC Chief Sheila Bair Calls Romney “Misinformed” on Dodd Frank
This American Banker interview with Sheila Bair has the Republican former regulator describing how Romney isn’t up to speed on Dodd Frank. Not to worry, she also gets a dig in at Geithner too.
Where do the two presidential candidates stand on the issues Ms. Bair raises?
Read the the whole article. Thank you for posting something important and constructive.
Very welcome. I love finding the really good ones.
From the Denver Post - GOP presidential hopeful Romney sways voters in Colorado:
“GOP presidential hopeful Mitt Romney’s fortunes have shifted in the past five weeks in Colorado.
After an affecting debate performance at the University of Denver and more commanding stump speeches across battleground states, Romney has picked up additional Colorado voters and has seen a bounce in a new Denver Post poll that puts him 1 percentage point ahead, 48 percent to 47 percent, of President Barack Obama.
The candidates are still effectively tied, as the results fall within the poll’s 4-percentage-point margin of error. The poll was conducted Tuesday and Wednesday by SurveyUSA for The Post using automated calls to homes and cellphones. Pollsters reached 614 likely voters. Five percent of those polled said they were undecided.
Adding Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson into the mix didn’t alter Romney’s small lead in Colorado. Poll respondents still picked Romney over Obama by a single percentage point, 46 percent to 45 percent.
Johnson, who will be on Colorado’s ballot on Election Day, took 2 percent of the votes in The Post’s poll.”
That’s why the only voters who matter are the 3rd party voters. If Rmoney wanted to he could tell lies about being libertarian and win over obama, or vice versa. Voting “coke” or “pepsi” is throwing your vote away.
I voted twice for a 3rd Party. And all I got was Clinton for 8 years,.
And I wish we had him back…And maybe we can get him back by proxy… Hillary in 2016 if Obama wins…
I vote for Hillary too. We have to off some people from our bloated diplomatic core. She’s the perfect choice.
Hillary is no less dangerous than the top two contenders. She is a Marxist.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/marxist.asp
(Hillary) is a Marxist.
I know. And Mitt Romney is a Martian. I saw a link a about it.
She is a Marxist
Are you too dumb to understand that your Snopes link discredits your claim, or are you practicing the Karl Rove “lie about everything, see what sticks (maybe they won’t click the link!)” propaganda technique?
Lets see 8 years of Clinton versus 8 years of Bush?….hmmmm
Fruit, are you sure you’re not a GOP paid operative? Try prunes banana’s are constipating.
Spent a portion of yesterday applying stucco patch to the south wall because of numerous cracks. Only the south wall, because the direct sun does a number on stucco after thirty years, apparently. Kudos to the contractor who pointed that out, and who agreed that a coat of primer would be a useful stopgap to a full new paint job. (It’s a timing thing.)
It was actually kind of fun aside from the “sitting in full sun” bit. Stucco patch is like spackle, except that the surface you’re applying it to is rough, so it’s not too hard to get it to look right.
You might give some thought to planting a shade tree south of the south wall.
A deciduous tree will produce leaves in the spring and summer and these leaves will absorb the blaring heat of the summer sun. Then in the fall these leaves fall off which allows the weakened sunlight of winter to shine through.
That’s the garden side, naturally. I had some pretty good tomatoes this year though the pepper plants got eaten by various critters (including large ones; some were gnawed off at the base.) I will, however, be trellising some things up to the roof next summer, so the wall itself should be getting some shade.
There’s a new “paint” treatment for stucco walls that’s like a paintable radiant barrier. It probably has ceramic in it. We’re trying to save up for that, because insulation is the best house upgrade you can make.
“That’s the garden side …”
You have it made.
My experience with tomatos that grow in my back yard next to a south-facing cinder block wall has been quite favorable. The wall acts as a heat sink in the winter months and the release of stored heat collected during the winter days is enough to ward off the occaisional tomato-killing frost that the winter nights now-and-then brings, and this has allowed me to harvest fresh tomatos every month of the year.
Your a farmer eh Combo…
Or substituting a bank of solar panels for the new paint job.
Solar energy is commie.
We actually got a five-panel starter system on the roof. It’s done really nice things to our electric bill.
awesome
The southern exposure takes a beating for sure. My dad bought a house in the san diego area in the late 60’s. He put a new roof on composed of redwood shingles. After 40 years the roof is still there but the southern exposure part is hammered. Been buying bundles of shingles to patch but the roof is due for replacement.
Actually the other exposures have held up quite nicely. I do not think you could just replace one side though. I don’t think they will even let you use wood shingles anymore so basically all would have to be torn off and replaced with asphalt shingles. Plus with the shingles there is not a solid roof all the way across trusses. So in addition you have to resheet the whole roof with OSB or plywood.Big job and would cost some bank.
Absolutely. Though you can use faux shingling if you like that look.
My sister in San Jose had a little roof work done on her 1930s home and the roofer came down with a look of awe on his face. Apparently, the trusses were all dovetailed old-growth redwood. Almost a shame to cover them up.
Pacific North West….All the lumber pre-1945 or so was redwood…DF was considered garbage and only good for the fireplace…I think, after the war ended and all those boys came home and procreated, there was just not enough redwood to build all those houses…
Dougfir is structurally much stronger than redwood, which is why it’s used for framing.
B Durbin,
Have you ever heard of “elastomeric paint”? It is more elastic than other paints, it expands when it gets hot and it helps to seal off those small cracks in the wall.
It might help to keep the moisture out of the cracks, keeping them smaller for a longer period and making it look like the wall doesn’t have any cracks.
Thankfully, the cracks aren’t big yet. In fact, I’ve got just enough blur to my vision that I hadn’t noticed them until they were pointed out. So the patching should seal it up pretty well, and we should be able to get a new coat of paint on it in the next year. And since it’s the back yard, it doesn’t even have to match…
Primer is going to come right off if you don’t seal it with paint.
It’s going to be a nice patchwork coat as we consider different colors. The neighbors would hate us if they could see it.
We’re battling deflation right now. Methinks those hoping and expecting inflation to bail out homeowners will be sorely disappointed.
“We’re battling deflation right now.”
Expect low returns on invested capital.
Expect financial commitments and promises made during the high return days to be broken.
Expect those who “get it” to hang on to their jobs rather than retire.
Expect those who “get it” to hang on to their cash, rather than catch themselves falling knives buying risky assets.
That too.
Expect those who “get it” to hang on to their jobs rather than retire.
I expect those that ‘got it’ have retired after cashing in on the grand scam.
The rest of us will ‘get it’, but in a different way.
I think we’ll be deleraging for a generation. Doing my 401K annual allocation I had no problem putting some of it cash. I wanted to go more conservative / defensive. No matter who wins the election I think a good possibility of a black swan event next year.
“I think a good possibility of a black swan event next year.”
From Asia Times Online - Overwrought empire:
“Americans lived in a “victory culture” for much of the twentieth century. You could say that we experienced an almost 75-year stretch of triumphalism - think of it as the real “American Century” - from World War I to the end of the Cold War, with time off for a destructive stalemate in Korea and a defeat in Vietnam too shocking to absorb or shake off.
When the Soviet Union disintegrated in 1991, it all seemed so obvious. Fate had clearly dealt Washington a royal flush. It was victory with a capital V. The United States was, after all, the last standing superpower, after centuries of unceasing great power rivalries on the planet. It had a military beyond compare and no enemy, hardly a “rogue state,” on the horizon. It was almost unnerving, such clear sailing into a dominant future, but a moment for the ages nonetheless. Within a decade, pundits in Washington were hailing us as “the dominant power in the world, more dominant than any since Rome.”
The US has 1,000 or more bases around the world; other countries, a handful. The US spends as much on its military as the next 14 powers (mostly allies) combined. In fact, it’s investing an estimated $1.45 trillion to produce and operate a single future aircraft, the F-35 - more than any country, the US included, now spends on its national defense annually.
The US military is singular in other ways, too. It alone has divided the globe - the complete world - into six “commands.” With (lest anything be left out) an added command, Stratcom, for the heavens and another, recently established, for the only space not previously occupied, cyberspace, where we’re already unofficially “at war.” No other country on the planet thinks of itself in faintly comparable military terms.
When its high command plans for its future “needs,” thanks to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Martin Dempsey, they repair (don’t say “retreat”) to a military base south of the capital where they argue out their future and war-game various possible crises while striding across a map of the world larger than a basketball court. What other military would come up with such a method?
The president now has at his command not one, but two private armies. The first is the CIA, which in recent years has been heavily militarized, is overseen by a former four-star general (who calls the job “living the dream”), and is running its own private assassination campaigns and drone air wars throughout the Greater Middle East. The second is an expanding elite, the Joint Special Operations Command, cocooned inside the US military, members of whom are now deployed to hot spots around the globe.
The US Navy, with its 11 nuclear-powered aircraft carrier task forces, is dominant on the global waves in a way that only the British Navy might once have been; and the US Air Force controls the global skies in much of the world in a totally uncontested fashion. (Despite numerous wars and conflicts, the last American plane possibly downed in aerial combat was in the first Gulf War in 1991.) Across much of the global south, there is no sovereign space Washington’s drones can’t penetrate to kill those judged by the White House to be threats.
In sum, the US is now the sole planetary Top Gun in a way that empire-builders once undoubtedly fantasized about, but that none from Genghis Khan on have ever achieved: alone and essentially uncontested on the planet. In fact, by every measure (except success), the likes of it has never been seen.”
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/NJ12Dj01.html
Defense spending (as a percent of GDP) has been pretty stable at around 5% for the last 40 years. Weapons systems cost more but we have about a military about half the size (in personnel) from the Reagan days.
http://www.businessinsider.com/defense-spending-2011-3?op=1
Entitlement spending has skyrocketed in the last 40 years. It is up from 2.5% of GDP (1965) to almost 10% GDP today (and is projected to keep growing)
http://www.heritage.org/federalbudget/defense-entitlement-spending
Today:
Entitlement spending is 55%+ of the federal budget (and growing)
Defense spending is 19% of the federal budget (stable/shrinking)
Interest on the debt is 6%+ of the federal budget (growing)
The Government now borrows 40 cents of every dollar it spends.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget
So do the math. You are not going to stop run away deficits solely by gutting defense.
“You are not going to stop run away deficits solely by gutting defense.”
Which candidate is planning to ‘gut defense’? (On second thought, don’t answer that, as we don’t need any more Republican propaganda spewed on the HBB.)
‘Defense spending (as a percent of GDP) has been pretty stable…You are not going to stop run away deficits solely by…’
Listen to yourself. You sound like the posters who tell us ‘the govt isn’t spending too much’. ‘It’s stable, a percentage of this or that, less than FDR’s era.’
The Pentagon is just like everything else in DC; corrupt, bloated and starving for more. They are backed by armies of lobbyist. They don’t give a damn about debt.
I’ve posted this before; my first tiny insight into what goes on in the military was a friend who worked at a steakhouse in Anchorage. Some generals and admirals were coming to eat. Hmmm, interesting.
A couple days before ’staffers’ show up to teach everyone just how these big shots were to be served. The spoons have to be just so, and never, ever, address this man from over his left shoulder. It was supposed to be some kind of protocol. But it left me wondering how they had time to run an army/navy. It’s was like they were princes in olden days.
If you dislike govt waste, personal corruption, etc, look no farther than the US military:
‘Two recent disciplinary actions involving U.S. Army generals suggest the extent to which the senior command structure has been compromised by the widespread corruption that has been clearly visible in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Office of the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR) is still in operation to oversee the much scaled-down assistance that continues to be given to Baghdad to rebuild its military and infrastructure. There have been 117 indictments for corruption by American contractors and military officers, 42 arrests, and 90 convictions for fraud amounting to $220 million. Ninety-seven investigations are ongoing.’
‘Military officers in both Afghanistan and Iraq became accustomed to having large quantities of cash on hand to hand out as needed. And when something goes wrong, the military’s response also reveals that a separate standard of justice for senior officers has become the status quo in the U.S. armed forces.’
‘A bizarre case of senior officer misbehavior occurred in June when Colonel James Johnson III, the West Point educated son of a Lieutenant General, was fined $300,000 for adultery, bigamy, conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman, and associated crimes that he committed to support a relationship with an Iraqi woman whom the married Johnson met in 2005. The girlfriend’s father was hired as Johnson’s “cultural adviser” and given government contracts worth $74,600 for which no actual work was required. The girlfriend and her family ran up $80,000 in charges on an Army cell phone. Johnson later used US Army vehicles, credit cards, and travel vouchers to make frequent visits to the girlfriend and he unsuccessfully tried to deliver on a fraudulent contract which would have paid for the purchase of Dutch made windmills that extract humidity from the air, turning it into water which can be bottled. The father would have made $500,000. Johnson later claimed that the windmills would have “saved American lives.” Johnson was reprimanded but not discharged from the army or reduced in rank and he retained his substantial pension and benefits.’
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/when-officers-become-criminals/
There’s lots more; check it out.
Of course there is huge amounts of fraud, waste and abuse in the military.
There is NO government program that does not have huge amounts of fraud, waste and abuse.
The point is that gutting defense spending ALONE is NOT going to solve our runaway deficits. It does not even come CLOSE.
Entitlements will have to be reformed and cut. Either we do it now when we can control it or later…
When we wind up like Greece where we can not even serve the INTEREST on the debt.
‘gutting defense spending’
Nobody is ‘gutting’ the spending. Congress builds submarines the Navy doesn’t even want. Right now the govt is building a fighter jet that costs more than most countries spend on their military. Then there’s that concept itself; how much of what is spent actually goes to ‘defend’ the US? Do we really need 1,000 bases all over the world to defend the US? Even the Romans couldn’t sell that one.
Here’s the unbelievable part; all this borrowing money from communists makes this country weaker. And what the article goon posted points out is, this mighty (expensive) military can’t beat a few thousand goat herders.
Don’t take this wrong; I’m not suggesting that we aren’t capable of killing lots of people or blowing stuff up. But rather that the world has changed and armies don’t line up on battlefields anymore. The conflicts of today are economic more than anything. And at that we are going backward.
F-35 is a perfect example of a weapon that will be completely obsolete in 5 years.
Drone aircraft flown by civilian CIA contractors are the future. Soon, every country will have drone fleets to deliver bombs into every neighborhood in world.
gutting defense spending ALONE is NOT going to solve our runaway deficits. It does not even come CLOSE
This is the big Repub talking point. It’s like it’s an excuse to do none of these things.
Raising taxes on the rich ALONE is NOT going to solve our runaway deficits. It does not even come CLOSE
gutting defense spending ALONE is NOT going to solve our runaway deficits. It does not even come CLOSE
Letting the BushTax Cus expire ALONE is NOT going to solve our runaway deficits. It does not even come CLOSE
The BushTaxCuts account for about 25% of our deficit. The military budget is 20% of our Federal Budget. These are very large percentages of our deficit.
If the R’s would have allowed single payer health care, the entitlements would cut themselves. By quite a lot.
Sounds like the way to go might be to try all of these Republican proposals to cut the deficit in combination?
RE: Comment by oxide
2012-10-14 10:38:43
If the R’s would have allowed single payer health care, the entitlements would cut themselves. By quite a lot.
Yea, right. Somehow one government bureacracry will be more efficent than several large for profit bureacracies. Throw in free coverage for 30 million more people. Sounds like savings to me. Reminds me of the all the dot com business models. They lost money on every transaction but were going to make up for on the volume!
Yea, right. Somehow one government bureacracry will be more efficent than several large for profit bureacracies.
Somehow? It’s fact jack.
For example:
Canada’s single-payer system insures 100% of Canadians for about $4,000 per person. (11% of their GDP) USA’s private insurance has 50 million uninsured 50 million with junk insurance and spends almost $8,000 per year per person. (17% of our GDP)
And Canada has less rationing and as better medical stats in most cases. Canadians also live longer and have much lower infant mortality.
And what the article goon posted points out is, this mighty (expensive) military can’t beat a few thousand goat herders.
Well…we could easily wipe them out. Unfortunately we’ve chosen to define victory as making them like us.
“Drone aircraft are the future……”
Maybe, maybe not.
The only reason Predators are so effective is that we have 24/7/365 air superiority.
Send all of the US fighters home, give me a dozen King Airs and some door mounted machine guns, and my drone problem will be fixed.
It’s was like they were princes in olden days.
I was in the 101st ABN Band and got to see it up close. That’s exactly what it’s like. One person I got to see a lot of was COL Keene, later to become the well known General Keene.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Keane
The fact that the army considered him a rising star told me everything I needed to know about the quality of the organization. I’ve been in the same room/tent with him many times, listened to him speak on multiple occasions, and considered him to be a jerk and full of it. I got out as fast as I could.
If we’d extract tribute, we could do pretty good at this.
That’s the day our guys called in sick at “Global Empire School”.
“The US has 1,000 or more bases around the world; other countries, a handful. The US spends as much on its military as the next 14 powers (mostly allies) combined. In fact, it’s investing an estimated $1.45 trillion to produce and operate a single future aircraft, the F-35 - more than any country, the US included, now spends on its national defense annually.”
Can anybody offer comment on what would happen to future military spending under a Romney/Ryan presidency versus a continuation with Obama/Biden?
Nothing, both have said they will increase military spending.
Did y’all ever read the story of the special forces killed with Moroccan prostitutes in Mali?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/mysterious-fatal-crash-provides-rare-glimpse-of-us-commandos-in-mali/2012/07/08/gJQAGO71WW_story.html
In what would have represented a significant escalation of U.S. military involvement in Mali, the Pentagon also considered a secret plan in 2009 to embed American commandos with Malian ground troops.
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“It seems really dubious that six people died in a single-car accident. It’s just very fishy,” Gregg said in a telephone interview.
It seems that American security personnel abroad have a tendency to get into lots of trouble with foreign prostitutes.
Colombian Prostitute Rips Secret Service Agents
The situation in Columbia never would have even happend if the messiah stayed in DC and worked instead of globe trotting for photo ops. But speeches and photo ops are much easier and fun than work. Especially when you don’t have a clue about how the economy / business works.
The situation in Columbia never would have even happend if the messiah stayed in
DChis place. 2012. David DukeEspecially when you don’t have a clue about how the economy / business works.
You mean like the guys who offshored every job they could (and were even provided tax breaks for offshoring) while they blew the biggest real estate bubble this nation this nation has ever seen?
I love one of the comments….
“Taking someone out of poverty drastically reduces the chances of them becoming terrorists”
So is the reverse true? Are we going to become a hotbed of terrorism, because our government and business elite are putting so many Americans INTO poverty??
I can think of lots of advantages.
No ever increasing property taxes to pay for insane public unions is a big one.
And if other costs go up - easy to “move your house”
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Rambling Retirees Trade Home for Boats, RVs, Sofas
Reuters | October 12, 2012 | Lou Carlozo
At 68, Barbara Miller Elegbede is living proof that flower children need not grow up.
A self-described hippie, she attended a San Francisco college at psychedelia’s height and remembers friends constantly crashing on the couch of her apartment, just a block away from Janis Joplin’s pad in the hip Castro neighborhood.
Now retired from teaching and secretarial work, Elegbede, 68, has become a full-time “couchsurfer” herself, living in other people’s guest quarters all over the world. (She has a temporary apartment in Tempe, Arizona.)
Call Elegbede one of the “rambling retirees”: folks who give up the senior community or a comfy house for a life of constant travel. And they’re not all hippies.
Then there’s the financial angle. Today’s retirees have limited budgets and long life expectancies. Living on the road for a year or five can be a way to spend less than hanging on to the big house or moving into a service-heavy retirement community.
Morton, 51, is semi-retired and lives on a houseboat six months out of the year in Montreal, Canada. (He also travels in an RV and has an apartment.) His major annual costs are insurance ($2,000 for a $200,000 boat) and docking ($3,000 and up).
A marine survey for your floating home to ensure its shipshape can run $1,500 to $2,000. First-year costs typically run $25,000, including maintenance and fuel, says Morton, citing the survey and improvements to a newly acquired boat. Annual costs may drop 20 percent or more in subsequent years, assuming a lack of weather damage or major repairs.
Morton, who’s saving thousands of dollars annually compared to a land-based life with a mortgage, plans to live on a houseboat as long as he’s able.
Morton, 51, is semi-retired and lives on a houseboat six months out of the year in Montreal, Canada. (He also travels in an RV and has an apartment.) His major annual costs are insurance ($2,000 for a $200,000 boat) and docking ($3,000 and up).
Maintenance costs? Isn’t the common wisdom that boats are maintenance money pits? And if I’m not mistaken, don’t boats have licensing fees and are subject to property taxes as well?
Rambling Retirees Trade Home for Boats, RVs, Sofas
Sounds like I’m ahead of the curve.
Another day without discussing the economy, the debt and/or the fed is a WIN for obama.
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Obama camp tips hand on debate, hints president will attack Romney on Bain
Fox News - October 14, 2012
As President Obama began to hunker down at a plush resort here for three full days of debate prep, his campaign team signaled the incumbent may steal a page from Vice President Joe Biden and show a more aggressive tone in Tuesday’s second face-to-face showdown with Republican Mitt Romney. “Gov. Romney has been making pitches all of his life and he knows how to say what people want to hear whether that was during his time at Bain or during the dozens of town halls he did during the primary,” said Obama campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Saturday.
Quote of the day;
Kishore Mahbubani: Dean, Singapore’s Lee Kuan Yew school of public policy.
“There is a sense of incredulity that America still thinks it can be a white knight and save other countries…The era when America could go out and change the world is ending”…..
To which I would say, Amen….Close our bases and bring everyone home…You want our defense protection, you pay for it and sum…cut the boots/hardware on the ground from the military budget…Focus on Air & Sea defense…Should be able to cut the military budget by 40%…
Really? A foreign national is telling American to cut its defense?
Well, Ok then.
Singapore is going to invade! Because 0bama!
Really? A foreign national is telling American to cut its defense?
Well, given that they lend us the money to finance it, we might not have any choice but to obey.
Are you suggest money borrowed from abroad is going into funding the U.S. military?
After listening in on the first debate, I was under the mistaken impression it was all going into Big Bird’s pocket.
For anybody who is holding out hope to recover money from this Western Financial Planning Corp. land investment deal, I’d like to also interest you in buying some Florida swampland.
LAND INVESTORS’ UNEASY TERRAIN
San Diego firm’s alleged scheme illustrates how consumers’ stakes can be jeopardized
Written by Lily Leung
12:01 a.m., Oct. 13, 2012
Updated 6:21 p.m. , Oct. 12, 2012
When you hear about a chance to invest in land, do you think gold mine or land mine?
The answer depends on the deal on the table and whose advice you’re seeking.
Some investors who bought interests in undeveloped land in California and parts of the Southwest through a San Diego-based investment firm as far back as 20 years ago wonder if they had made a horrible mistake or took a risk at the wrong time. Investors began to ask questions after they learned that a U.S. district judge OK’d a freeze of Western Financial Planning Corp.’s assets in September and chose a receiver to control its money. Authorities said the alleged scheme raised $50 million from hundreds of investors.
The Securities and Exchange Commission, or SEC, has accused the company of grossly overpricing land, and keeping investors in the dark about their purchase prices and the fact that some of the parcels were not owned outright. The federal agency also alleges that the company, owned by Louis V. Schooler, 61, failed to register securities and of violating securities laws.
After settlement talks broke down in late September, U.S. District Judge Alan Burns last week granted the SEC’s motion for a preliminary injunction and kept the asset freeze in place until the court OKs the receiver’s proposal. The judge also backed the SEC’s argument that the investments completed are securities, something Western Financial vehemently denied in public documents.
As the case works itself out, investors wonder if the money they put in, in some cases tens of thousands of dollars, is in jeopardy. The fate of their money is unclear and depends on how the case is resolved.
Investors became hooked once they heard raw land parcels in potentially high-growth areas in the Southwest were bought at discounted prices and could eventually be sold for big profits when resold to a developer, SEC officials stated in court records. Some clients who invested up to two decades ago told one former First Financial worker that they still hadn’t seen any returns, one piece of testimony shows.
“My reaction?” said Brent Lindberg, a 60-year-old local who invested in vacant land in Nevada. “’Hey, they’re talking about my investment. Is the owner doing less than what they promised they were going to be doing?’ I don’t know. Maybe it’s just been tough years.”
U-T San Diego interviewed three people who said they invested in undeveloped land endorsed by Western Financial within the past 10 to 15 years. All three saw the opportunity as a way to diversify their investments and get better returns after learning about the firm’s expertise in this field. One was referred by a friend, one heard about the deals through a media ad and the third doesn’t recall.
In fact, all three consumers had trouble recalling basic information about their investments because they were made some time ago. It appeared to be a set-it-and-forget-it mentality.
“I was told they have the land and they sell the land for a profit hopefully,” said David Reiter, a 46-year-old software engineer who invested with Western Financial. “I don’t remember being given a time frame … I was not too worried. I felt that they should keep (the land) and wait for the prices to go back up.”
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One every minute.
Corker Says QE3 Shows Bernanke Has ‘Stayed Too Long’ at Fed
Craig Torres and Cheyenne Hopkins
Updated 4:33 p.m., Tuesday, September 25, 2012
(Updates with comments from Fed officials on quantitative easing in paragraphs 12-16.)
Sept. 25 (Bloomberg) — Bob Corker, a member of the Senate panel with Federal Reserve oversight authority, said the central bank’s decision to embark on a third round of quantitative easing shows Ben S. Bernanke has “stayed too long.”
Corker said the Fed’s asset purchases have alleviated pressure on Congress to come up with a credible fiscal plan that in his view would provide a basis for long-term economic growth.
“I know Ben Bernanke, I respect him tremendously,” the Tennessee Republican said today at a Bloomberg Government breakfast in Washington. “My criticisms of the Fed in large part are about pressure being taken off us.” He added: “If you saw markets swooning downward because we weren’t acting, I think you would see us acting.”
Corker, a Senate Banking Committee member who voted to confirm Bernanke for another term ending in 2014, praised the chairman’s actions during the financial crisis and said the second round of bond purchases, announced in November 2010, was appropriately aimed at halting deflation.
“Ben did a great job during the crisis,” Corker, 60, said in a separate Bloomberg Television interview. “I think he has stayed too long, yes, I am very despondent about much of what he is doing recently.”
Fed spokesman David Skidmore declined to comment.
Bernanke, who has been Fed chairman since 2006, was first nominated by President George W. Bush and picked for a second term by President Barack Obama.
Bernanke’s Future
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has said he wouldn’t reappoint Bernanke, 58. Obama hasn’t said whether he would nominate the former Princeton University professor for a third term, and the Fed chairman has declined to discuss his future.
The policy making Federal Open Market Committee announced a third round of quantitative easing Sept. 13, committing to $40 billion in monthly purchases of mortgage-backed securities. The FOMC said the buying would continue “if the outlook for the labor market does not improve substantially.”
“If you focus on the Fed’s role as it relates to price stability, you can understand QE2,” Corker said. “I do think we have gotten out of bounds now.”
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“If you saw markets swooning downward because we weren’t acting, I think you would see us acting.”
Unless your party was hoping to see the president defeated.
Too big to exist? Fed’s regulation czar backs limits on bank size
By Pedro da Costa
October 11, 2012
Regional Federal Reserve Bank presidents who oppose quantitative easing have made little way in convincing the central bank’s dovish core. Apparently, not so on the cause célèbre of policymakers like Richard Fisher at the Dallas Fed, who have called for too big to fail banks to be broken up.
In a speech this week, Fed board governor and regulation czar Daniel Tarullo stopped short of calling for outright break-ups. But he did take the unprecedented step of backing size limitations on banks that would be linked to overall U.S. economic output.
In his own words:
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My question is, how long can you keep flooding the bathtub with water before it overflows and damages the surrounding floor?
Goldman Sachs’s Cohn Sees Pain When Fed Ends Bond Purchases
By Sara Eisen and Simon Kennedy - Oct 11, 2012 1:53 AM PT
The Federal Reserve will struggle to end its quantitative easing program, said Gary D. Cohn, Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS)’s president and chief operating officer.
Oct. 11 (Bloomberg) — Gary Cohn, president and chief operating officer at Goldman Sachs, talks with Bloomberg’s Sara Eisen about the European debt crisis and the current state of Goldman Sachs. He speaks in an exclusive interview on Bloomberg Television’s “Bloomberg Surveillance.”
“I understand what they’re trying to do and I will tell you this, this is going to be difficult to stop or to exit,” Cohn told Bloomberg Television today in Tokyo. “At the end of this — there will be an end to quantitative easing — we will have to go through the pains of stopping quantitative easing.”
The Fed last month announced its third round of large-scale asset purchases since 2008, with no limit this time on the ultimate amount it would buy or the duration of the program. Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke says that stimulus will be expanded until policy makers see “sustained improvement” in the labor market and that the strategy works in part by boosting the prices of assets such as equities.
“We know the Fed wants to create job growth,” Cohn said. “We know that the Fed wants to create asset appreciation.”
Bank of America Corp. Chief Executive Officer Brian T. Moynihan said in a separate interview that the U.S. central bank is “working hard” to boost demand that’s less than potential and that its exit plan “is something to worry about down the road.”
Confidence Deficit
“Right now we’ve got to make sure we continue to push confidence,” he said. “That’s a problem that we’ll face more in the future than we face today.”
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“Right now we’ve got to make sure we continue to push confidence,” he said. “That’s a problem that we’ll face more in the future than we face today.”
“Push confidence”. Not “push the truth” but “push confidence”.
What’s the difference between pushing “confidence” and pushing “drugs”?
At least with drugs the pusher gives you the first batch for free?
What’s the difference between pushing “confidence” and pushing “drugs”?
Are you suggesting Megabank, Inc had to pay interest on their ZIRP loans?
It seems to me that conficence should not be something that has to be “pushed”, it should be something that arises on its own - arises from the decisions that decision makers make.
Confidence should be a by-product of decisions made by our leaders, not a product in its own right.
it should be something that arises on its own
Like animal spirits?
What I don’t get about this article is why the author assumes QE will ever end? What is to prevent the Fed from simply guaranteeing low interest rates indefinitely?
“Right now we’ve got to make sure we continue to push confidence,”
As I’ve said, the fraudsters will tell you outright they are going to screw you if you just pay attention.
The only people who push “confidence” are called…. con men.
China central bank chief wary of QE3 inflation risk: paper
China’s Central Bank Governor Zhou Xiaochuan arrives for a group photo taking session with other REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst
BEIJING | Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:23am EDT
(Reuters) - China’s central bank governor has warned that quantitative easing policies worldwide could cause inflationary risks, state news agency Xinhua said on Saturday.
The remarks by People’s Bank of China (PBOC) Governor Zhou Xiaochuan come even as analysts credit policy easing from G4 central banks - the U.S. Federal Reserve, the European Central Bank (ECB), the Bank of Japan and the Bank of England - in the third quarter of the year as underpinning business confidence.
Chinese data on Saturday offered a sign that G4 policy easing was being felt in the world’s second biggest economy, with trade numbers showing exports grew at roughly twice the rate expected in September while imports returned to the path of expansion.
“The data shows both imports and exports are improving - especially a rebound in export growth reflects a rising confidence after the U.S. and European countries launched further easing policies last month,” said Xue Hexiang, an analyst at Guotai Junan Securities in Shanghai, after the trade numbers were released.
Across Asia, central banks are wary about the potential inflationary impact of the Fed’s latest quantitative easing, dubbed QE3, as well as policy stimulus unveiled by the ECB.
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October 14, 2012 1:06 pm
Fed chief defends low interest rates
By The Associated Press
Chairman Ben Bernanke is rejecting arguments that the Federal Reserve’s bold moves to bolster US jobs growth could have unwanted consequences in emerging market countries.
In a speech on Sunday, Mr Bernanke disagreed with criticism that the Fed’s efforts to drive US interest rates lower could result in higher inflation in emerging markets or trigger a destabilising flood of investment money into those nations.
In fact, he said, the efforts of the Fed and the central banks of other industrial countries should benefit the global economy by boosting growth and providing stronger markets for the goods of developing nations.
Mr Bernanke’s speech in Tokyo was at a conference sponsored by the Bank of Japan and the International Monetary Fund.
At its September meeting, the Fed announced it was launching a program to buy $40bn each month in mortgage-backed securities as a way to drive interest rates lower and give a boost to the housing market. Increased home sales could help spur hiring and accelerate economic growth.
The Fed also extended its time frame for keeping rates low to at least mid-2015 and said rates would remain low even after the US economy begins growing at a stronger pace. That effort will continue until it sees substantial gains in the US job market, the Fed said.
In his speech on Sunday, Mr Bernanke said the Fed’s effort “not only helps strengthen the U.S. economic recovery, but by boosting US spending and growth, it has the effect of helping support the global economy as well.’’
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Inflation Rises in Developed Economies
The annual rate of inflation across developed economies rose for the first time in a year in August, driven by a sharp rise in energy prices, a development that may narrow the scope for leading central banks to shore up faltering growth through additional stimulus measures.
The inflationary threat from energy was underlined by separate figures from the European Union’s official statistics agency, which showed the prices charged by euro-zone factories for their goods rose sharply in August.
Figures released by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development on Tuesday showed consumer prices in its 34 member countries rose by 2.0% in the 12 months to August, a larger increase than the 1.9% recorded in the 12 months to July.
The rate of inflation also rose in a number of large developing economies, most sharply in India and Russia, but also in China and South Africa.
If sustained, the rise in inflation rates across so many leading economies would give central banks less room to cut their key interest rates or provide other forms of stimulus to counter a global economic slowdown.
The European Central Bank’s governing council is expected to leave its key interest rate unchanged at a record low 0.75% Thursday, following a September rise in the euro zone’s inflation rate.
The data on euro zone factory-gate prices in August suggest the inflation rate could rise further from its September level of 2.7% and a decline to the ECB’s target of just below 2.0% is likely to be delayed.
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UPDATE 1-US producer prices up on gasoline, core rate flat
Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:52am EDT
* Wholesale prices rise 1.1 percent in September
* Core producer prices flat, lowest since October 2011
WASHINGTON, Oct 12 (Reuters) - U.S. producer prices rose more than expected in September as the cost of gasoline surged, but underlying inflation pressures were muted in a sign the U.S. Federal Reserve has room to carry out its new monetary stimulus program.
The Labor Department said on Friday its seasonally adjusted Producer Price Index increased 1.1 percent last month.
Economists polled by Reuters had expected prices at farms, factories and refineries to rise 0.7 percent after climbing 1.7 percent in August.
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Breaking: Space Jump live on Discovery Channel.
Caller in to local real estate show is asking why he should be responsible for those folks walking away from mortgages that “they signed on the dotted line, saying that they would pay it.”
“The solution that they’re pushing is to reward irresponsibility.” “If somebody can’t pay, the solution is to let somebody else buy it who can pay.”
Sound familiar? This is in the public consciousness and this is on the air. Biggest radio market in the region.
Obviously, he has not yet been recruited into the free sh*t army…
To the Winner: Good Luck—You’ll Need It
By BRETT ARENDS
The presidential election is heading down to the wire. With three weeks to go, the polls show Mitt Romney and Barack Obama within a few points. The swing states are in play. Somewhere close to $2 billion will be spent in total on the final outcome.
It’s time to look ahead. What sort of agenda will the winner inherit? How will he deal with a bitterly divided and partisan political system, a weak recovery, and a raft of pressing crises at home and abroad?
Here’s what the email from his chief economic adviser might look like on Nov. 7.
Dear Mr. President/President-Elect,
Congratulations on your victory. I’m sorry to butt in on your celebrations, but you asked for a summary of the economic problems ahead. I’m afraid you face five major ones.
1. The fiscal cliff
On Dec. 31 the U.S. federal government is going to hit a potentially disastrous so-called fiscal cliff. Under current law, taxes are set to jump and spending will be cut.
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2. Jobs
According to the Labor Department, about 15% of the workforce, or one worker in seven, is either unemployed or stuck working part-time because he or she can’t get full-time work. And 23% of prime working-age men—about 14 million ages 25 to 54—lack a full-time job. Think about the lost output in the economy—and lost taxes to the government.
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3. Retirement
If you think the jobs crisis is bad, look at the looming retirement crisis.
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4. Debt
You’ve probably heard that Americans have been paying down debts and shoring up their balance sheets. You’ve probably heard that corporations are meanwhile sitting on a ton of cash. It all sounds promising.
The trouble is that it’s mostly a mirage.
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5. China
In the short term, you face the risks of a “hard landing” for the Chinese economy.
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This poses enormous economic, political and strategic challenges. Yes, our military is still No. 1—but you can’t run a first-class empire with a second-class economy, as the British and the Soviets learned years ago.
Sorry about all this doom and gloom, Mr. President/President-Elect, especially on the morning after your big triumph.
But look on the bright side. The Electoral College doesn’t meet till Dec. 17. Maybe they’ll pick the other guy instead.
Could not agree more. While I tend to vote on the right as I have said many times all the cutting of waste / bureacracy and regulation to make this county more competitive will HELP. But will not mitigate the cost of labor disparity. Lower standards of living coming to all developed markets. 1950s style living was an economic / historical anomoly. That said I think less focus on material consumption although forced could bring a more statisfying life.
1950s style living was an economic / historical anomoly.
No. This is an excuse from the right to justify the middle-class’s decline and excuse the increasing concentration of wealth.
The 50’s were NOT an anomaly in the context of each American generation generally doing better than the prior generation. That was the general American reality for the past 200 years until the past 30 years.
Don’t believe the right-wing propaganda that the 200 year rising of the American middle-class was an “anomaly”.
Don’t believe the right-wing propaganda that the 200 year rising of the American middle-class was an “anomaly”.
I do not know anyone on the right that is saying that. BTW, Drudge has a great link to an article that global warming stopped 16 years ago. Now, if we can just use our natural resources, maybe we can restore the middle class which started to decline when the Arab oil embargo in 1973 drove up gasoline prices.
I do not know anyone on the right that is saying that.
I hear it all the time that “the 200 year rising of the American middle-class was an “anomaly”.”
And I just saw it again up there:
Comment by Anon In DC
2012-10-14 12:42:03
middle class…started to decline when the Arab oil embargo in 1973 drove up gasoline prices.
Yes but that was not the underlying cause, just pre-icing on the cake. The middle-class started to decline in earnest when wealth and income started to become severely unequal starting around 1980 when trickle-down, supply-side, cutTaxes4TheRich, VOODOO economics put wealth concentration into hyperdrive.
So let’s all really double down on proven failed economic policies and vote Romney/Ryan 2012.
Sorry, the Reagan years ended stagflation and temporarily gave the middle class greater wealth through real tax relief.. The problem began again with the cheap money of Greenspan which began under Clinton and increased under Bush II but that is a problem with government not the private sector.Yes Greenspan was appointed by Bush I but he did not start with the cheap money until Clinton, who did reappoint him.
The charts I’ve seen showed that Reagan didn’t help, but it did start even before him.
My last article did not post but I will try again with a different point. In 1984, Ronald Reagan won reelection with 525 electoral votes. The voters clearly thought he had taken a mess and made it much better.
Sorry, the Reagan years ended stagflation and temporarily gave the middle class greater wealth through real tax relief..
Reagan was a tool. Stagflation ended because of Paul Volcker, a Carter appointee. Reagan preferred Greenspan and appointed him and thus was responsible for one of the worst Fed Chairman appointments in history.
Reagan’s years saw a huge increase in personal and government debt. Reagan’s trickle-down, supply-side, de-regulation economics and demonizing the same government he grew sent the USA on the divisive, banana-republic road that we are on today.
Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz said about (Paul Volcker) in an interview: “Paul Volcker, the previous Fed Chairman known for keeping inflation under control, was fired because the Reagan administration didn’t believe he was an adequate de-regulator.” wiki
Yes Greenspan was appointed by Bush I
Lie. Or stupidity. Stop wasting our time with false information and/or ignorance.
I do not know anyone on the right that is saying that
LOL. It’s said about three times a day by our right-wing posters right here on hbb.
“1. The fiscal cliff”
This one is really going to pound those in the 50k to 250k range. I can see both sides letting this happen: If Romney wins and the Senate stays Democrat, they stick it to him by letting the deadlines pass on his watch. If Obama wins and the House is still Republican, we keep the current stalemate. I do hear some rumblings of compromise on the $250k number, the Republicans may agree to $1 million and up going back to the Clinton rates.
What you don’t hear much about in the media, is that what we really need is GROWTH. Policies have to be put in place to promote growth, which will produce increased revenue to the treasury due to more individuals and businesses paying taxes. Not sure why this point is so difficult to comprehend. Growth will crush the deficits if we are spending neutral (fat chance) or even if we just restrict the rate of growth in spending.
what we really need is GROWTH.
“Growth” is not as beneficial to the tax revenue now because almost the only portion of society benefiting from the “growth” are the rich, and the rich’s tax rates are at historical lows.
The growth of Mitt Romney’s wealth/income is not helping the deficits much when taxed at a lower rate than a plumber.
Not sure why this point is so difficult to comprehend.
I guess I get an official Communist Party response to my fairly benign suggestion that economic growth will help us out of our financial hole faster than excess taxation. There was a time when promoting economic growth was universal in the country.
Here are some quotes from my favorite Democrat:
“It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now … Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus.”
“A tax cut means higher family income and higher business profits and a balanced federal budget. Every taxpayer and his family will have more money left over after taxes for a new car, a new home, new conveniences, education and investment. Every businessman can keep a higher percentage of his profits in his cash register or put it to work expanding or improving his business, and as the national income grows, the federal government will ultimately end up with more revenues.”
“Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government.”
– John F. Kennedy
Like I’ve said before, it’s very sad to see what the Communists and the global anti-capitalist movements have done to the Democratic party, the labor unions and this country.
Since 1980, the tax burden has been shifted onto the middle class.
At the same time, trade, tax and monetary policies were put in place to screw the middle class, and incentivize the wealthy and the financiers.
Se here we are. The bottom 90% haven’t seen meaningful pay raises in years, and the prices of essentials are controlled by various cartels (OPEC, Wall Street). Yet, government and business leaders are (supposedly) mystified as to the reasons for lack of “demand/growth”
The only people who have any money are the top 5-10%ers, who are constantly threatening to take their balls and play elsewhere if their taxes are raised, or if they are not allowed total control over US policy.
Can obama blame obama for all his problems?
Someone / everyone please virtually b*thch slap me. Getting seriously tempted to buy a house here in suburban Boston. There is one that has everything I want. One level, solidly built, small and less expensive than neighboring houses, garage, unrenovated and “improved”, quiet street, walking distance to shopping and the T, etc…But at last my hard headiness will prevail. Whew… close call.
Price vs wages in the area?
Property taxes?
Number of foreclosures and short sales around you?
Fundamentals still out of wack. Price is 5x average household income but particularly low for the neighborhood. Forclosure / short sales, not many. This would be a toe tag house.
Taxes $5K per year. But thanks for you the good questions. Not tempted yet despite Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower ’s below promise.
“This would be a toe tag house.”
The desire to buy a home for the purpose of dying there has absolutely zero appeal to me. Not that there is anything wrong with that…
GO for it. Housing has bottomed and real estate will always go up from now on.
My wife and I can start giving to charity again if the mortgage interest deduction is replaced with a more general ‘use it as you see fit’ tax deduction. The thing I like about Romney’s proposal is that it includes the middle class; by contrast, the mortgage interest deduction primarily benefits those with mortgages in amounts north of $500,000.
TAX REPORT
October 12, 2012, 12:26 p.m. ET
Protecting Your Deductions
By LAURA SAUNDERS
Never mind your income-tax rate for next year—what will happen to your deductions?
Presidential candidate Mitt Romney twice has raised the possibility of imposing caps on tax benefits to help lower tax rates. Instead of simply cutting the home mortgage-interest deduction or the write-off for charitable donations, lawmakers could allow each taxpayer one overall allowance to use as desired. Mr. Romney suggested options ranging from $17,000 to $50,000.
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EU Leaders Gird for Summit as Nobel Glow Fades on Greece, Spain
By Simon Kennedy, Jana Randow and Patrick Donahue - Oct 14, 2012 9:00 AM PT
European leaders, basking in the glow of a Nobel Peace Prize and praise for their rediscovered crisis-fighting skills, meet this week as Greece seeks to justify renewed aid and Spain holds out on tapping a bailout.
The European Union’s leaders convene for an Oct. 18-19 summit in Brussels after a weekend in which international finance chiefs expressed some optimism that a firewall is in place to contain the euro’s turmoil and urged further action to quell the main threat to global growth.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel spoke of the euro as “more than a currency” and said the monetary union’s leaders had finally established the mechanisms to hold the members together for the long term. Photographer: Jock Fistick/Bloomberg
With German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble today ruling out a Greek exit, the 17-nation euro area faces the challenge of harnessing positive sentiment by resolving differences on aid for Greece and Spain before investors pounce again. Also contentious is how to knit euro nations more closely together amid spats over the timing and depth of a banking union.
“The summit will highlight how much remains to be done,” said Alex White, an economist at JPMorgan Chase & Co. in London. “Our concern is that the removal of acute financial market stimuli may reduce the political incentive to deliver.”
That respite is the result of the European Central Bank’s bond-buying pledge last month and the enactment of a 500-billion euro ($647.5 billion) permanent rescue fund, the European Stability Mechanism. Nerves are returning to markets as Spain’s 10-year bonds advanced for a second week after Standard & Poor’s cut the nation’s debt rating to one level above non-investment grade.
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After six years pointing out how flawed the global warming computer models were and how global warming was primarily caused by natural causes and being attacked by many on this board, I have now been vindicated. This quote from an article identified below:
The new data, compiled from more than 3,000 measuring points on land and sea, was issued quietly on the internet, without any media fanfare, and, until today, it has not been reported.
This stands in sharp contrast to the release of the previous figures six months ago, which went only to the end of 2010 – a very warm year.
Ending the data then means it is possible to show a slight warming trend since 1997, but 2011 and the first eight months of 2012 were much cooler, and thus this trend is erased.
More…
Wettest start to autumn for 12 years as South West continues to be battered by torrential rain
Some climate scientists, such as Professor Phil Jones, director of the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, last week dismissed the significance of the plateau, saying that 15 or 16 years is too short a period from which to draw conclusions.
Others disagreed. Professor Judith Curry, who is the head of the climate science department at America’s prestigious Georgia Tech university, told The Mail on Sunday that it was clear that the computer models used to predict future warming were ‘deeply flawed’.
Even Prof Jones admitted that he and his colleagues did not understand the impact of ‘natural variability’ – factors such as long-term ocean temperature cycles and changes in the output of the sun. However, he said he was still convinced that the current decade would end up significantly warmer than the previous two.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html#ixzz29JWVajdC
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(No) global warming …..I have now been vindicated.
I don’t really have a dog in this hunt but I know science and how it works. The fact that you think you’ve been “vindicated” by such a weak trend in a brief window of time shows you are hopelessly biased when it comes to science.
You just are biased. I don’t think you’d acknowledge a true scientific trend conflicting with your dogma if it jumped up and danced the Mambo.
No Rio, you don’t. All man made global warming had going for it was an equally short period of time. If you understand science you will be able to see that if Co2 was the primary driver beyond climate with all the co2 added to the atmosphere it would be impossible to not increase over the last 15 years.
It is you that cannot seem to see facts right before you. Contrary to your posts Brazil is not this wonderful example of anything. Low per capita income and now growth has slowed to virtually nothing. Ethanol has ravaged the environment and unless you can find people to exploit to cut sugar cane for a few dollars a day it is not a viable alternative. Moreover, energy independence only occurred when U.S. companies did their oil drilling now that they are going it on their own, you will see them back as an oil importer. Ireland with free enterprise has succeeded much more than Brazil with socialism but you are so bias you cannot see the failure of Brazil to truly narrow the income gap.
Patheticer and patheticer. The Daily Mail is now your “credible” source? Why not cite the Pennysaver while you’re at it?
My previous post has not posted by some evidence of the bubble
According to Serasa Experian, many of those accessing new credit are from the emerging middle class. In 2011, around 9 million Brazilians received credit for the first time. Many are under the age of 35, part of the so-called Generation Y looking to buy a car or smartphone. Credit growth was especially strong in retail stores outside of major cities, with rising credit in the North and Northeast. But some are finding they’ve bitten off more than they can chew. The new middle class has a high debt burden, a June study by FGV found. Nearly a quarter of those who earned up to $1,030 and nearly a quarter of those who earned between $1,30 and $2,360 a month said they spend at least half of their salary to pay off debt.
Will Brazil’s housing market go from boom to bust?
Posted on October 11, 2012
By Mary Stokes.
Property prices and housing finance are on a tear in Brazil, leading to fears of a bubble. Housing prices have risen by over 10% so far this year on a nationwide basis. Meanwhile, home loans increased at an annual pace of over 40% in the first half of 2012, much faster than the 18% expansion in overall credit. This eye-catching growth is raising concern. Lending booms preceded the housing busts in Spain and the US. However, Brazil is a different story in a number of important respects.
There is no question that housing prices in Brazil have surged in recent years. In the country’s two largest cities – Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo – prices have risen at an annual pace of over 20% (Chart 1). Such fast rises are not sustainable, but we do not foresee a sharp reversal. The fact that the speed of housing price increases has begun to slow should help mitigate concern.
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Brazil is different housing prices around 30 times the average income and they want to say it is not a bubble. They had real growth for a a few years due to feeding natural resources to China and then they turned to a rapid increase in private debt. What could go wrong?
“Brazil is different housing prices around 30 times the average income and they want to say it is not a bubble.”
You have I point. I forgot for a moment there that they were one of the decoupled BRICs.
I posted on the environmental damage yesterday but this is form a June 16, 2008 LA Times Article:
Biofuels may help reduce humanity’s carbon footprint, but the social footprint is substantial.
“These workers should have a break, a place to eat and access to a proper restroom,” Marcus Vinicius Goncalves, a government labor cop in suit and tie, declared in the midst of a snarl of felled stalks and bedraggled cane cutters here. “This is degrading treatment.”
More than 300,000 farmworkers are seasonal cane cutters in Brazil, the government says. By most accounts, their work and living conditions range from basic to deplorable to outright servitude.
“Brazil has a great climate, great land and technology, but a lot of the competitive edge for biofuels is due to worker exploitation — from slave work to underpayment,” said Leonardo Sakamoto, a political scientist who runs a nonprofit labor watchdog group in Sao Paulo.
“These workers should have a break, a place to eat and access to a proper restroom,” Marcus Vinicius Goncalves, a , declared in the midst of a snarl of felled stalks and bedraggled cane cutters
LOL! Brazil’s ’socialist’ energy-independence frightens right-wingers so much that they’ll sing the praises of a “government labor cop in suit and tie” demanding workers’ rights!
The irony is mind-boggling. And revealing.
What percent of the developed country economies with housing bubbles that are destined to pop have already seen their housing bubbles pop?
25%? 50%? 75? Other?
Would the bought-and-paid Republican propagandists who post here please reveal yourselves now? I’m sick of reading you drivel.
Political cudgels are a poor substitute for intelligent thought.
October 14, 2012 7:00 PM
Benghazi becoming political cudgel for GOP
By Jan Crawford
In campaign 2012, both President Obama and Mitt Romney are preparing for Tuesday’s second presidential debate: No fund raisers, no major appearances, mostly study.
While that takes place, Republicans continue hammering the president on the administration’s handling of the attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya.
To say that the stakes are high in Tuesday’s town hall debate could well be an understatement. The president’s performance in the first debate was widely criticized, and Romney surged in the polls. He now holds a slight lead over the president.
Under pressure to turn it around, Mr. Obama will also have to defend his response to last months attack in Benghazi, which killed four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens. The administration is under increasing criticism for initially refusing to call the attacks terrorism.
In an exchange with Bob Schieffer on “Face the Nation,” Senator Lindsey Graham, a senior member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, was harsh.
“I think they have been misleading us, but it finally caught up with them,” Graham said.
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CRICKETS
I’m frankly amazed the 99% are increasingly willing to support the anti-47% candidate in light of the ever-growing concentration of American wealth in the hands of the 0.1%.
Opinion
The Self-Destruction of the 1 Percent
Gianni Dagli Orti/Art Resource
A painting of 17th-century Venice, with a view of the banks of the Grand Canal and the Doge’s Palace, by Leandro Bassano.
By CHRYSTIA FREELAND
Published: October 13, 2012
IN the early 14th century, Venice was one of the richest cities in Europe. At the heart of its economy was the colleganza, a basic form of joint-stock company created to finance a single trade expedition. The brilliance of the colleganza was that it opened the economy to new entrants, allowing risk-taking entrepreneurs to share in the financial upside with the established businessmen who financed their merchant voyages.
Venice’s elites were the chief beneficiaries. Like all open economies, theirs was turbulent. Today, we think of social mobility as a good thing. But if you are on top, mobility also means competition. In 1315, when the Venetian city-state was at the height of its economic powers, the upper class acted to lock in its privileges, putting a formal stop to social mobility with the publication of the Libro d’Oro, or Book of Gold, an official register of the nobility. If you weren’t on it, you couldn’t join the ruling oligarchy.
The political shift, which had begun nearly two decades earlier, was so striking a change that the Venetians gave it a name: La Serrata, or the closure. It wasn’t long before the political Serrata became an economic one, too. Under the control of the oligarchs, Venice gradually cut off commercial opportunities for new entrants. Eventually, the colleganza was banned. The reigning elites were acting in their immediate self-interest, but in the longer term, La Serrata was the beginning of the end for them, and for Venetian prosperity more generally. By 1500, Venice’s population was smaller than it had been in 1330. In the 17th and 18th centuries, as the rest of Europe grew, the city continued to shrink.
The story of Venice’s rise and fall is told by the scholars Daron Acemoglu and James A. Robinson, in their book “Why Nations Fail: The Origins of Power, Prosperity, and Poverty,” as an illustration of their thesis that what separates successful states from failed ones is whether their governing institutions are inclusive or extractive. Extractive states are controlled by ruling elites whose objective is to extract as much wealth as they can from the rest of society. Inclusive states give everyone access to economic opportunity; often, greater inclusiveness creates more prosperity, which creates an incentive for ever greater inclusiveness.
The history of the United States can be read as one such virtuous circle. But as the story of Venice shows, virtuous circles can be broken. Elites that have prospered from inclusive systems can be tempted to pull up the ladder they climbed to the top. Eventually, their societies become extractive and their economies languish.
That was the future predicted by Karl Marx, who wrote that capitalism contained the seeds of its own destruction. And it is the danger America faces today, as the 1 percent pulls away from everyone else and pursues an economic, political and social agenda that will increase that gap even further — ultimately destroying the open system that made America rich and allowed its 1 percent to thrive in the first place.
You can see America’s creeping Serrata in the growing social and, especially, educational chasm between those at the top and everyone else. At the bottom and in the middle, American society is fraying, and the children of these struggling families are lagging the rest of the world at school.
Economists point out that the woes of the middle class are in large part a consequence of globalization and technological change. Culture may also play a role. In his recent book on the white working class, the libertarian writer Charles Murray blames the hollowed-out middle for straying from the traditional family values and old-fashioned work ethic that he says prevail among the rich (whom he castigates, but only for allowing cultural relativism to prevail).
There is some truth in both arguments. But the 1 percent cannot evade its share of responsibility for the growing gulf in American society. Economic forces may be behind the rising inequality, but as Peter R. Orszag, President Obama’s former budget chief, told me, public policy has exacerbated rather than mitigated these trends.
Even as the winner-take-all economy has enriched those at the very top, their tax burden has lightened. Tolerance for high executive compensation has increased, even as the legal powers of unions have been weakened and an intellectual case against them has been relentlessly advanced by plutocrat-financed think tanks. In the 1950s, the marginal income tax rate for those at the top of the distribution soared above 90 percent, a figure that today makes even Democrats flinch. Meanwhile, of the 400 richest taxpayers in 2009, 6 paid no federal income tax at all, and 27 paid 10 percent or less. None paid more than 35 percent.
Historically, the United States has enjoyed higher social mobility than Europe, and both left and right have identified this economic openness as an essential source of the nation’s economic vigor. But several recent studies have shown that in America today it is harder to escape the social class of your birth than it is in Europe. The Canadian economist Miles Corak has found that as income inequality increases, social mobility falls — a phenomenon Alan B. Krueger, the chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, has called the Great Gatsby Curve.
Educational attainment, which created the American middle class, is no longer rising. The super-elite lavishes unlimited resources on its children, while public schools are starved of funding. This is the new Serrata. An elite education is increasingly available only to those already at the top. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama enrolled their daughters in an exclusive private school; I’ve done the same with mine.
At the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, earlier this year, I interviewed Ruth Simmons, then the president of Brown. She was the first African-American to lead an Ivy League university and has served on the board of Goldman Sachs. Dr. Simmons, a Harvard-trained literature scholar, worked hard to make Brown more accessible to poor students, but when I asked whether it was time to abolish legacy admissions, the Ivy League’s own Book of Gold, she shrugged me off with a laugh: “No, I have a granddaughter. It’s not time yet.”
America’s Serrata also takes a more explicit form: the tilting of the economic rules in favor of those at the top. The crony capitalism of today’s oligarchs is far subtler than Venice’s. It works in two main ways.
The first is to channel the state’s scarce resources in their own direction. This is the absurdity of Mitt Romney’s comment about the “47 percent” who are “dependent upon government.” The reality is that it is those at the top, particularly the tippy-top, of the economic pyramid who have been most effective at capturing government support — and at getting others to pay for it.
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Case in point: Why should a financially-savvy millionaire, who can easily afford to pay cash for a $12-million dollar home, qualify for a six-figure property tax cut when he learns that he overpaid?
Romneys, caught in housing bust, got tax cut in La Jolla
Reassessment of their $12-million home, one of many reductions in San Diego County, has saved $109,000 over four years.
August 05, 2012|By Robin Abcarian, Los Angeles Times
Mitt and Ann Romney were easily able to afford a $12-million La Jolla home.
But that didn’t insulate them from the winds buffeting the real estate market in the months following their purchase in 2008.
After paying cash for the Mediterranean-style house with 61 feet of beach frontage, they asked San Diego County for dramatic property tax relief.
Romney, the presumptive GOP nominee for president whose wealth is estimated at $250 million, has rejected calls from Democrats and Republicans to release his income tax returns prior to 2010. But San Diego County assessor records shed light on one sliver of the couple’s personal taxes during that time: a months-long effort to reduce their annual property tax bill.
Initially, the Romneys asked that their 2009 assessment, $12.24 million, be reduced to $6.8 million, maintaining that their home had lost about 45% of its value in the first seven months they owned it.
Thirteen months later, after hiring an attorney to guide them, the Romneys filed an amended appeal, contending the home had suffered a less-dramatic fall of 27.3%, to $8.9 million.
They also filed an appeal for the 2010 tax year, claiming the house had dropped further, to $7.5 million, 38.7% less than the home’s assessed value.
As a result, the Romneys have saved about $109,000 in property taxes over four years.
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Wouldn’t a “soak the rich” tax really be preferable to letting the 0.1% grow ever more wealthy and powerful?
Why do you hate America?
I just want to take America back — from the oligarchs who have taken it over.
The first public (non-classroom) lecture I ever heard given by a professional economist was by one J.K. Galbraith. As I recall, a core theme of his talk focused on the problems which arose leading up to the Great Depression due to an extreme concentration of wealth into the hands of a shrinking slice of the populace.
Sadly, we currently are there again, and in fact even more so.
Romney’s etch-a-sketch caught the Obama campaign flatfooted. It’s working much better than expected!
Ya gotta hand it to the Madison Avenue team running the slick etch-a-sketch ad campaign: They’ve done a great job of reinventing Romney’s image overnight!
Viewpoint
Goodbye, Mr. Scissorhands: Romney Recaptures Centrist Image
By Mike Murphy | October 10, 2012
Mitt Romney won more than just a debate in Denver; he won an opportunity to take the presidency away from Barack Obama. If he plays his cards right, he can repeat his own history and become the 45th President of the United States.
Until the evening got under way, Romney was on the verge of becoming a cartoon character. Obama’s admen spent millions during the summer reducing him to a one-dimensional figure, a rich, heartless plutocrat who cared nothing for the people he was courting. That changed with the debate. Gone was the W. Mitt Scissorhands of Obama’s relentless ad attacks. Instead, Romney looked comfortable in his skin, at ease with ideas, happy to be there and full of confidence. Voters got to see him with no filter. It was like meeting someone you had never met. And for a lot of us who know and respect him, it was therapeutic to see. (For Obama, the look was not so refreshing. After the debate, the Secret Service probably considered giving the President a new code name: Mr. Sandman.)
In ways that were not apparent at first, the debate recast the race as a choice between a smile and a smirk. Romney’s first opportunity is to lock in the chance to be the smiling, optimistic face of American politics, much as Ronald Reagan was in the 1980s. Romney now looks like the more excited of the pair, the candidate brimming with ideas, the one who seems to want the job more and relish its challenges. That’s always very appealing, but especially in times of economic pain and uncertainty. For more than a year the President’s shaky management of the economy has made him the country’s second choice for President. (Romney’s problem had been that he was Americans’ third choice.) But now, if Mitt can capture the role of Mr. Big-Picture Confidence while Obama sticks with his grinding, nit-picking strategy of running a small campaign about small things, the race could continue to move in Romney’s favor.
The second opportunity is about Romney’s image as a problem solver. In the nick of time, he’s freed himself from the ideological-litmus-test drudgery of the Republican primaries and made it clear that he is first and foremost a friendly, economic fix-it man. That is the only kind of Republican who can prevail in a country where changing demographics have made winning national office no easy task for the GOP.
The third opportunity turns on confidence. Romney’s success in Denver has given his campaign the maneuvering room to do something it has been scared to do until now: move back to the political center. This was already happening before the debate—Romney quietly took more-moderate positions on taxes and deficit reduction in September—but it has continued since, mostly in an effort to win the white college-educated female voters Romney badly needs. He can now embrace his naturally more centrist side without fear of reprisal from the GOP’s conservative base. After looking defeat in the eye throughout September, the party’s movement-conservative warlords have decided, all things being equal, it’s a lot more fun to win.
We know how the Obama team is going to react to this. It will do what all campaigns do when staring into an abyss of plunging polls: it will try to fight off panic by overcompensating. Just when Romney is going to accentuate the positive, Obama’s guys in Chicago are likely to break out the ugly sticks and double down on their negative-ad strategy. Therein lies Romney’s greatest opportunity: as Obama goes small and negative, Romney can best him by ramping up his big positive message of economic repair and renewal. The attacks that worked so well for the Obama campaign over the summer won’t ring as true now to the millions of people who saw the debate. Obama’s biggest weakness is that the only vision his campaign is offering is an endless tirade of what’s wrong with Romney. That message, Big Bird ads and all, looks smaller than ever, and it’s no longer enough to save the President.
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The story of Venice’s rise and fall is told by the scholars Daron Acemoglu and James A. Robinson, in their book “Why Nations Fail: The Origins of Power, Prosperity, and Poverty,” as an illustration of their thesis that what separates successful states from failed ones is whether their governing institutions are inclusive or extractive. Extractive states are controlled by ruling elites whose objective is to extract as much wealth as they can from the rest of society. Inclusive states give everyone access to economic opportunity; often, greater inclusiveness creates more prosperity, which creates an incentive for ever greater inclusiveness.
The history of the United States can be read as one such virtuous circle. But as the story of Venice shows, virtuous circles can be broken. Elites that have prospered from inclusive systems can be tempted to pull up the ladder they climbed to the top. Eventually, their societies become extractive and their economies languish.
That was the future predicted by Karl Marx, who wrote that capitalism contained the seeds of its own destruction. And it is the danger America faces today, as the 1 percent pulls away from everyone else and pursues an economic, political and social agenda that will increase that gap even further — ultimately destroying the open system that made America rich and allowed its 1 percent to thrive in the first place.
You can see America’s creeping Serrata in the growing social and, especially, educational chasm between those at the top and everyone else. At the bottom and in the middle, American society is fraying, and the children of these struggling families are lagging the rest of the world at school.
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…even as the legal powers of unions have been weakened and an intellectual case against them has been relentlessly advanced by plutocrat-financed think tanks…
AKA 2banana’s employer…
This is such a great article, I certainly hope all the 1% propagandists who post here read it in an attempt to deprogram themselves.
Thinking about a VA loan?
- 0 percent down
- Federally guaranteed
- Borrow up to $1M+
I’m warning you right now: Don’t blame me when you find yourself the proud owner of a home with an underwater mortgage!
I’ve mentioned my friend who used a VA loan for a Flagstaff house. He makes about 80k/year but with a ton of overtime. They offered him 350k in loans, pretty much zero down. He took around 270k and is underwater after a year and a half.
Is he expecting a personalized bailout any time soon?
Oct. 14, 2012, 11:35 p.m. EDT
Asia stocks mostly lower after China data
By Sarah Turner, MarketWatch
SYDNEY (MarketWatch) — Asia stocks traded mostly lower Monday, with Chinese data giving investors mixed signals about the health of the economy there, and Europe’s debt troubles also weighing on sentiment.
Hong Kong’s Hang Seng Index lost 0.3%, while the Shanghai Composite Index declined 0.5%.
South Korea’s Kospi fell 0.3%, and Australia’s traded down 0.1%. Japan’s Nikkei Stock Average traded flat.
Data out Monday showed that Chinese consumer prices rose 1.9% year in September, in line with economist expectations, while producer prices dropped a sharper-than-forecast 3.6%. Read: China September consumer prices rise
“Inflation data continue to point to slack demand, with industrial prices contracting at a rapid pace. There’s no argument about it, the economy is yet to stabilize,” said Alistair Thornton, senior China economist at IHS Global Insight.
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How’s that ole’ BRICs decoupling theory holding up these days?
Global Economy Distress 3.0 Looms as Emerging Markets Falter
By Simon Kennedy - Oct 14, 2012 5:03 PM PT
The global economy is facing its third major brake on expansion in five years as emerging markets slow from China to Brazil, provoking debate about how much policy makers should respond.
Three years after industrializing nations led the world out of the U.S. mortgage meltdown-induced recession, the reliability of the power source is waning as Europe’s debt crisis persists. The International Monetary Fund sees them growing an average 5.8 percent in the half-decade through 2016, almost two percentage points less than the five years before the 2009 slump.
Finance chiefs at the IMF and World Bank annual meetings left Tokyo this weekend at odds over how to address the issue, with South Korea’s central bank chief urging Asia to add stimulus as Russia and Brazil called on rich nations to fix their own challenges. At stake is a world economy Bank of Israel Governor Stanley Fischer calls “awfully close” to recession.
“There is a concern that in the near term the engine of growth that provided such a great support seems to be slowing,” said Jacob Frenkel, chairman of JPMorgan Chase International and Fischer’s predecessor in Israel. “They still continue to grow, but we’re seeing a slower pace than anticipated all over the world.”
Europe’s Steps
The IMF meetings ended yesterday with both expressions of optimism that Europe now has a policy infrastructure to quell its turmoil, and a clash between Germany and the fund over what lies next for cash-strapped nations such as Greece.
Developed economies including Switzerland and Japan joined Brazil in sounding the alert on excess currency strength, while delegates disagreed over the right degree of budget austerity as they pushed the U.S. to avoid tumbling over its fiscal cliff.
“Ministers discussed a short-term response for the global economy, but their opinions weren’t harmonized in one direction,” South Korean Finance Minister Bahk Jae Wan told reporters in Tokyo. “The world has a leadership problem.”
Investors may still not be fully tuned into the risks, said Barry Eichengreen, an economics professor at the University of California, Berkeley. While U.S. stock benchmarks last week fell the most since June, the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index (SPX) is still up 19 percent from a year ago. By contrast, the MSCI Emerging Markets Index has risen less than 6 percent the past 12 months.
“I’m worried that stock markets in the United States in particular have gotten ahead of economic growth,” Eichengreen said in an interview in Tokyo.
China Growth
The size of the latest shock may be underscored this week, when China will report its economy probably grew 7.4 percent last quarter, according to the median estimate in a Bloomberg News survey. Such a pace would be the slowest in three years.
If unchecked, the fading could deal a blow to already-weak rich nations, warn economists. Slackening Chinese demand led Alcoa Inc. (AA), the largest American aluminum producer, to last week cut its forecast for worldwide consumption of the metal by 1 percentage point. The U.S. last week reported a widening trade gap for August as diminished global demand caused exports to fall to the lowest level since February.
China, the world’s second-largest economy, alone accounts for 65 percent of seaborne iron ore demand and 40 percent of copper consumption, leaving producers such as Australia, Brazil and Chile vulnerable, Gustavo Reis, a Bank of America Merrill Lynch economist in New York, said in an Oct. 5 report.
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Oct. 14, 2012, 7:23 p.m. EDT
IMF’s Lagarde urges Europe to deploy bailout
By Ian Talley
TOKYO–The head of the International Monetary Fund Friday urged euro zone authorities to deploy the currency union’s bailout funds and the European Central Bank’s bond-buying program as part of an aggressive plan to tame its debt crisis.
Although IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde didn’t refer to any particular country when prodding the EU to wield its crisis-fighting weapons, Spain is the only country in the euro zone that’s currently mulling whether and when to tap the bailout funds.
The EU this week came under renewed pressure from the world’s finance ministers and central bankers at the IMF’s annual meetings to act more quickly to tame a financial crisis threatening to slam the brakes on the global growth.
The ECB has said it’s prepared to pull the trigger on new program to buy bonds of ailing member countries, but only if they apply for a conditional bailout loan from the EUR500 billion European Stability Fund, which came online earlier this week.
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October 13, 2012, 2:52 a.m. ET
IMF, Europe Remain Deadlocked Over Greece
By COSTAS PARIS
TOKYO—The International Monetary Fund and Europe remain deadlocked over how to tackle Greece’s debt crisis, with Europe willing to consider only lower interest rates and longer debt repayments, while the IMF is pushing for a debt restructuring, according to senior European officials.
“We are still apart. Time is tight and there is a need for a common line,” a senior European official with direct involvement in the matter said.
The official said that a number of euro-zone countries, led by Germany, see the Greek problem “as one of adjustment and structural reforms over time; the IMF sees it more as a debt issue, which must be addressed at once.”
While the IMF is prepared to examine various ways that could eventually lead to debt reduction, including yet another bailout package by the euro zone that will help Athens return to growth and cut its debt level, its preferred method is a reduction in the amount of debt outstanding—what is referred to as a “haircut.”
But a haircut is anathema in the euro zone because of political repercussions.
Officials said that the IMF has made it clear to the Europeans that it isn’t prepared to extend more money to Athens without a move that leads to a cut in the debt level first. Apart from the limits imposed on it by its statutes, the IMF is unwilling to risk its credibility before possibly being asked to take part in a much larger bailout of Spain.
Greece’s debt sustainability is among the top matters discussed at the IMF’s annual meetings under way in Tokyo. The second bailout agreement in March defined debt sustainability as 120% of gross domestic product by 2020. But the Fund’s fiscal monitor said Tuesday that ratio would climb to 170.7% of GDP this year, and a whopping 181.8% of GDP in 2013, because of the recession being worse than expected. That suggests the 120% target is out of reach. Officials said the IMF believes that by 2020, the debt-to-GDP ratio will be close to 150%.
“This means that the IMF won’t sign off the next loan payment until the other creditors take the necessary action to cut the debt level,” a second European official said. “While they are debating on what is the best course of action, Greece will run out of money some time in November.”
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Robert Shiller: Canada Is Becoming A Slow-Motion Version Of The US Housing Bust
Mamta Badkar | Sep. 21, 2012, 12:36 PM
For some time, there has been talk of a growing housing bubble in Canada.
Robert Shiller, the economist who famously predicted the U.S. housing bubble, has told CBC News’ Neil Macdonald, “I worry that what is happening in Canada is kind of a slow-motion version of what happened in the U.S.”
Macdonald writes that Shiller and other economists are most worried about household debt, which has ballooned from 75 percent of household income in 1990, to 150 percent today.
And most of this debt is held by the most “vulnerable households—defined as those devoting 40 percent or more of household income to paying interest charges.”
While these debt levels are said to be about the same level of U.S. household debt around the time of its bubble, Shiller does clarify that if the Canadian housing bubble were to burst, Canada’s experience would be quite different from America’s.
This is in part because Canadian banks aren’t neck-deep in a subprime lending debacle, and because the mortgages are insured by the government via the Canadian Mortgage Housing Corp.
Rosenberg doesn’t think Canadian home prices are sustainable
Gluskin Sheff’s David Rosenberg has previously warned “Canada is carving out a top, while the United States is seemingly carving out a bottom.”
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Are any FBs out there buying FB stock these days?
Oct. 14, 2012, 6:01 a.m. EDT
Facebook earnings targets are going down
Commentary: Momentum is yielding to fundamentals
By John Shinal
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — When Facebook Chief Executive Mark Zuckerberg publicly acknowledged for the first time that the company’s post-IPO stock performance was a real bummer, this columnist predicted that his long-overdue candor would present a short-term opportunity for traders taking long positions on the stock.
It did just that, with Facebook shares rising by 20% within two weeks of Zuckerberg’s mid-September remarks, which signaled that the idealistic Harvard dropout would be more attuned to the profit demands of Wall Street.
But with the company’s third-quarter earnings report now looming on Oct. 23, that momentum-trading party is over, as Facebook shares have dropped back near their levels of early September.
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