October 17, 2012

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Comment by ahansen
2012-10-17 01:49:34

Ex-Governer Romney’s unfortunate comment about “binders full of women” last night conjurs up images of the fundamentalist Mormon (and evangelical Xtian) “Joy Books” in which fathers advertise their nubile (and often underage) daughters for “binding” with church elders.

Perhaps it was coincident, but when was the last time you heard anyone use that word in such a creepy context?

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-10-17 03:04:39

images of the fundamentalist Mormon

On this blog we’ve often discussed the controversies of fundamentalists and the history of most religions. It should be no big deal.

The controversial things that stick out to me about the history of the Mormon Church is the long and recent history of polygamy, their attitudes towards the role of women, and until 1978, the institutionalized exclusion of Blacks into their priesthood and the ongoing theme and/or prejudice (now repressed) that Blacks are “cursed”.

Will Mormons’ racial history be a problem for Mitt Romney?

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-02-01/mormon-romney-black/52920394/1

Until 1978, the LDS church banned men of African descent from its priesthood, a position open to nearly all Mormon males and the gateway to sacramental and leadership roles. The church had also barred black men and women from temple ceremonies that promised access in the afterlife to the highest heaven.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 06:17:24

“Until 1978,…”

Ancient history is going to come up now as a campaign issue?

Comment by michael
2012-10-17 07:02:59

byrd got a pass.

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Comment by Spook
2012-10-17 06:39:01

The controversial things that stick out to me about the history of the Mormon Church is the long and recent history of polygamy, their attitudes towards the role of women, and until 1978, the institutionalized exclusion of Blacks into their priesthood and the ongoing theme and/or prejudice (now repressed) that Blacks are “cursed”.

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Hey whatchoo hollerin about?

Joseph Smith had a tough job inventing a new religion back in the day.

He did a pretty good job even if it doesn’t work for me since Im cursed. (although my exgirlfriend agrees with that part)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuO2Ov_D08c

Comment by oxide
2012-10-17 07:28:06

Like anything else, the Internet made inventing religions much easier! :grin:

May you be touched by his noodly appendage (ramen).

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Comment by polly
2012-10-17 08:26:25

The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster website is simply too funny for words.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Spook
2012-10-17 04:05:27

Don’t you blaspheme!

(cue Lawanda Page)

 
Comment by Awaiting
2012-10-17 04:35:45

Glad we’re knee high in a remodel to listen to the political fireworks. (No TV in our home going on 15 yrs.) I am no fan of Obama, but Romney/Ryan are even scarier. We’re not voting, why bother. A two-headed snake.

Comment by vinceinwaukesha
2012-10-17 05:36:43

Awaiting wrote:
“We’re not voting, why bother. A two-headed snake.”

That’s why you vote 3rd party instead of throwing your vote away on a D or R. I mostly want the govt outta my life so I’m happy with L or G parties, although I’d be happier with the L party especially WRT gun rights. On individual issues J party isn’t all that bad, better than either R or D. I would strongly discourage supporting the C party.

Instead of multigenerationally ancient boring D and R sloganeering talking points spamming the HBB I think a reasoned debate between L and G would be much more interesting and informative. If you imagine a govt filled with Ls and Gs the inevitable compromise between them COULD be pretty much paradise on earth.

End advocacy section begin attempt at factual summary section.

Johnson and the L party are the only party who support maximization of freedom across the board. Everyone else wants more control by big brother. Everyone else says their crooks in charge will be better than the current crooks in charge whereas they don’t want crooks in charge at all.

Stein from the G party are basically D party with less social regulation and more environmental/business regulation. More regulations for my local landfill, less regulation for my living room lifestyle. Also, the D’s like to talk about gay rights and socialized medicine, mostly I think to tease the R’s, but the G’s sound like they’d actually do something about those issues.

Goode and the C party are basically R neocons who, unlike R neocons, believe the constitution and bill of rights are not pieces of toilet paper to be ignored. Sounds oversimplified, but that’s really about the only difference. Biblical literalists as applied to politics. As you know any long written document can be twisted to claim anything, just like the bible, so the “revolutionary” C party is just demanding a different ideological origin for neocons with the same goals and destinations.

Anderson and the J party are hard to categorize but basically want to right injustices without any obvious overall plan like the other parties. For example corporations are obviously a higher class of citizen than us mere humans, so they want to abolish corporate personhood. Another example is they seem to almost randomly want to shrink/eliminate some taxes while expanding/creating other taxes. “I don’t mind goring oxes, just gore someone elses ox”

Comment by goon squad
2012-10-17 07:18:23

Stein from the G party

We saw her on C-SPAN a few weeks ago. Her platform is all about giving the Free Sh*t Army more free sh*t, “keeping people in their homes”, et cetera.

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Comment by Ross Peroxide
2012-10-17 10:06:03

keeping people in their homes

Oh my, how have we changed? Shelter used to a political issue, rightfully so. Now we have to keep people in their homes? Renting is not even an option.

 
 
Comment by Max Power
2012-10-17 09:37:27

I’ll be voting for Monty Brewster.

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Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2012-10-17 20:57:47

I’ve been a longtime L. I do know the Greens are totally opposite of libertarians. Put on your “Green” hat and take the world’s “smallest political quiz” http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz

If you picture yourself a “green” where would you end up in the left side very “liberal” - as in requiring a thugernment for your economics but having them ignore your civil liberties.

Libertarianism is agreeable only on the civil liberties side. So I guess you don’t give a blip about whether or not we have economic freedom and only are concerned with civil liberties. That’s an odd position to take (either have nearly 100% free enterprise or 100% communism). I didn’t know there were such people who existed who would flip a coin and take Austrian economics or its opposite thugonomics.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-17 06:37:32

over 125,000 were watching it on youtube….

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-10-17 10:47:19

Yeah, and the video feed was really herky-jerky. Audio stayed steady.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-17 11:39:28

Thanks slim…i thought it was my connection

also the new wannabe video producers never think people have a slow DSL connection and only post a HD version, which of course never plays right….

 
 
 
Comment by cactus
2012-10-17 12:29:32

We’re not voting, why bother. A two-headed snake.”

Remodeling is alot of work for sure. I almost have my brick patio done yea!!

Consider all the propositions that CA has on the ballot. Might be worth your vote?

You bought in Simi I think ?

Comment by Awaiting
2012-10-17 15:20:13

Hi cactus. Simi at Sycamore, so of L A Ave. Nice little enclave of well maintained homes. Man, are sliders pricey. Hope your improvements are going well. Painters are hard to find.

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Comment by Montana
2012-10-17 14:58:13

Yes, I’m just terrified of that scary, scary man..

Wait, who were we talking about - ?

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-17 06:15:08

Ahansen it was a completely honest comment people applying for such high level jobs dont just hand in resumes they hand in binders of their life. not folders not papers stapled or clipped together together but in a professionally made binder.

Comment by Dale
2012-10-17 11:25:02

I think trying to link that “binders of women” comment with fundamentalist Mormon (and evangelical Xtian) “Joy Books” is a little too obscure for me and most of the general populace….. unless of course you are trying to generate spin $$$$kaching$$$$$kaching$$$$$. Another paid poster?!?

 
 
Comment by oxide
2012-10-17 06:35:45

The comment had several possible contexts:

1. The polygamy context.
2. The context of Russian bride catalogs and/or college “meet books” (aka Meat Books) with pix of the freshman class.
3. The context that Romney felt that he had to hire women only to keep up appearances to his constituents in Massachusetts, suggesting that he is not even remotely gender neutral. Did he have Binders Full of [insert racial/ethnic group] too?

I tend to go with the last context. The comment reminded me of Romney’s slip in the primaries that he couldn’t have any undocumented immigrants on his house staff, because he was “running for office for Pete’s sake!” Again, just another box on the checklist to keep up appearances.

Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-17 07:02:37

all these wacky sexist comments on binders…wow…

Comment by oxide
2012-10-17 07:34:39

It wasn’t the word “binder.” It was the entire concept that Romney “asked women’s groups” to go out and find him some wimminfolk to fill a perceived affirmative action quota on his gubernatorial cabinet.

What difference would it make if it were one binder with 100 candidate resumés, or 100 binders, one for each candidate?

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-10-17 09:02:53

“Binders” are what they use for the wretched refuse.

Real management/professionals get “Portfolios”

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-17 09:07:08

Ok X ….binders are old school talk still means the same except to the PC crowd.

 
Comment by MacBeth
2012-10-17 09:20:55

Well, why not oxide? Enact a system that favors a group of people (in this case, women) and this kind of reaction can be readily predicted.

Can you not see that?

When you have to hire people according to body parts or skin color, then merit becomes much less important for all.

Just look at all sorts of Madison Avenue advertising. It seems that every ad in existance pertaining to customers or staff is politically correct. There’s nearly always a black and woman, or an Asian and a woman in every ad.

That’s not how our country looks. It’s not how we congregate.

Notice that very few “gender or racial neutral” estabishments ever have three women in an ad with no men around. How about two black guys in an ad by themselves? Or a white guy and a black guy in an ad?

Everything now is a false construct.

It’s all about keeping up appearances.

If you’re going to fault Romney for “keeping up appearances” then you should be faulting nearly everyone else, too.

That very likely includes the federal department which for which work.

Quotas are everywhere. Don’t fault Romney for being honest about it.

The diversity crowd made their beds. Now they can lie in them. That the beds are not very comfortable can be expected.

 
Comment by Montana
2012-10-17 09:26:09

well besides that fact that the whole pay inequality thing is a joke. There are a lot of reasons women are paid less than men on average. But it wouldn’t have been Nice to say so.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-17 09:37:47

exactly women seem to want time off more then men and at the last minute…

Dont get mad at me when you work in TV someone has to be there 24/7 and if you are late the person you relieve has to wait till you get there…..

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-10-17 09:39:27

What strikes me is that in 2002, he and his staff didn’t already know any qualified women. Perhaps they were not of the correct party.

 
Comment by MacBeth
2012-10-17 09:45:00

It also is not nice to point out that women receive an extra seven or so years of Social Security money that do men, which live seven fewer years, on average.

Yet women get to retire at the same tyime men do - age 65.

If women want to force same pay regulations, fine. But then they should not be able to retire until age 72.

Bet a great many women would howl about how “Unfair!” that would be.

We also could consider various federal government programs will give grants to women to start businesses…which no man (at least the white ones) can obtain.

 
Comment by Ross Peroxide
2012-10-17 09:50:18

Everything now is a false construct.

You got that right. Also ever wonder how men are the stupid ones on the commercials? If it’s a black guy and white guy together, it’s always the white guy that is stupider.

I am not white, I am not black. I am ethnically ambiguous, the desired demographic of the madison ave.

 
Comment by oxide
2012-10-17 09:52:22

Agree, Happy2bHeard. One of the commentators brought it up: Romney was actually trying to do the right thing… be more diverse… isn’t that what the libs wanted? So why are the libs lambasting him for it?

And that’s the reason. The impression is that Mitt went out to find women only because he had to. Not because he wanted to or not even because he was neutral. And that he “had to” go out to find women, because there weren’t any already there in 2002? The glass ceiling was in shards by then, especially in MA. He couldn’t have tapped Elizabeth Warren? :mrgreen:

 
Comment by MacBeth
2012-10-17 10:21:52

As an educated woman yourself, oxide, how does “he had to go out and find a woman” sit with you?

I assume you’re okay with having your work belittled in such manner.

You’ve been reduced to a line on a quota sheet. Congrats.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-10-17 10:49:51

Dont get mad at me when you work in TV someone has to be there 24/7 and if you are late the person you relieve has to wait till you get there…..

Hey, I hear you, NYC. Back in my deejaying days, this was a concern.

Matter of fact, I worked under someone who was notorious for blowing off other shows that she was supposed to substitute for. And, lucky me, I once had to fill in for her on 1.5 hours notice.

Yet another reason why I’m a happy former deejay.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-10-17 10:53:52

“You’ve been reduced to a line on a quota sheet. Congrats”

Only by Republicans. Democrats have more qualified women in the pipeline. And more women are Democrats because Democrats support equal opportunity more than Republicans do.

It’s all good. They will get there eventually. The Republicans are only about 20 years behind the Democrats when it comes to equal rights.

Of course all bets are off if the Republicans follow the hard core right wing back to the dark ages. Then they may never get to where the Democrats are today.

 
Comment by goon squad
2012-10-17 11:41:31

To Macbeth and Ross Peroxide’s comments above, that’s why we don’t watch TeeVee anymore. The bedwetter libtards in the coastal elitist media love pushing their COEXIST agenda through the casting of commerical TeeVee, films, and advertising.

If you’re tired of seeing whitey get dumped on in the mythical media world where all the doctors, scientists, problem solvers are portrayed by the Magic Negro, turn off the TeeVee. Or watch HBO’s “The Wire” for something more realistic.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-17 11:49:49

Why cant we accept the fact lots of women may not want the job?

For example TV stations couldn’t find ANY woman willing to take $50-100K video tape machines apart and fix them…..great high paying jobs and not dirty either.

As an educated woman yourself, oxide, how does “he had to go out and find a woman” sit with you?

 
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Comment by scdave
2012-10-17 07:45:01

#3….IMO….Now, add to that, the all out assault that the bow-hunter would have if somehow he were to slip into the presidency….If these two guys get into the white house, it will set back woman’s rights 40 years and extend for unknown generations…That message needs to be driven and driven hard…Romney and especially Ryan can’t run from it…They are on the record of what their intentions are….

Comment by Spook
2012-10-17 07:58:43

Well whats wrog with that?

*oops, wrong forum*

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Comment by Hi-Z
2012-10-17 10:59:15

“…it will set back woman’s rights 40 years ..”

Nothing like a bit of BS hyperbole.

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Comment by scdave
2012-10-17 12:06:26

Nothing like a bit of BS hyperbole ??

Ah, that would be you with your head up your a$$;

2013 - 1973 = 40

Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973), is a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court on the issue of abortion

 
 
 
Comment by MacBeth
2012-10-17 08:39:50

All I can say is that there seem to be an awful lot of comments made here and elsewhere that are both sexist and inflammatory.

Against men and by women, predominately.

Seems I’ve seen several anti-male posts here on this blog in the past week or so.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-10-17 11:02:13

Please elaborate. I have missed them.

I am against men who have policies that would limit a women’s ability to control their own bodies, to make health decisions for themselves, and to control their fertility. I am against men who would limit women’s ability to earn equal pay for equal work.

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Comment by MacBeth
2012-10-17 12:06:25

I can, but I’m trying not to name names.

About a week ago, one such poster had problems with those having a “third leg” and said kind a few highly sexist things.

If that same person said anything like that in the work place, she would be fired. That is, if the rules applied to all both ways.

That same person likes to refer to guys as “hon” as a means being publicly dismissive and insulting.

Let’s leave it at that.

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-10-17 12:37:05

ED much, Beth? ;-)

 
Comment by Muggy
2012-10-17 13:19:50

“third leg”

Good for him!

 
Comment by MacBeth
2012-10-17 13:33:59

After all that which others have done for you, to help you, this is your chosen behavior. Pretty depressing.

I hope you get the psychiatric attention you need.

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-10-17 13:57:47

When you go trolling deep waters, don’t be surprised when you hook a shark.

My (satirically channeled through one of our more notoriously feminist posters) comments you reference, were intended for Spook, who’s been on a misogynistic tear the last couple of weeks. And for the gender-bashers who reliably chime in when someone posts an anti-woman screed. Funny how you guys pile on when the bullying starts, but get all huffy when someone (female) throws it back at you. Specifically I was responding to this:

(Churches) can also teach these tramps and Wh–es to close their GD legs and respect themselves. Or better yet, its never too late to convert to Islam.

and this:
A womans agency is through her manipulation of men; either directly through her sexuality/fertility or indirectly through feminism/the state…
You broke the patriarchy, you clean up the mess.

and this:

So he believes that the unborn child is a human person, but doesn’t lift a finger to protect them from being ripped apart limb from limb. Huh?

…when I wrote:

“This one’s for Big V–

What patriarchy? I’m so sick of listening to penis people whine about their waning “superiority” in the face of intellectual reality. It’s sort of like those white supremacists “clinging desperately to their guns and their religion” as the real world goes on around and past them.

Technology has rendered you unnecessary. Maybe we’ll keep a few of you around for amusement, but face it, that’s all you are at this point.”

then added a giggly: BWA TEEE HEEE HEEEEE
to show I was kidding. (Mostly.)

Context is a useful thing. Sanctimony, on the other hand, is just begging for trouble.

 
Comment by Muggy
2012-10-17 14:25:53

“Maybe we’ll keep a few of you around for amusement”

Just don’t bite our heads off!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lBXQPlqXkqY/TEKZ0VQZB6I/AAAAAAAAAkw/0eXnw1igIsU/s1600/praying-mantis-cannabilism-eating-mate1.jpg

 
Comment by sfhomowner
2012-10-17 15:48:09

Funny how you guys pile on when the bullying starts, but get all huffy when someone (female) throws it back at you.

Say it sister.

Like all those dour feminists who can’t take a joke and have no sense of humor, right?

 
Comment by polly
2012-10-17 19:03:27

When I was in law school we started to demand that the profs use a feminine pronoun every once in a while while speaking in class or use a female name in exam hypotheticals (not only as rape or other crime victims or wives in estate law, but also as lawyers, judges, clients, etc.). Some of the guys would whine that we couldn’t expect the profs to adjust and we would just have to compromise.

We would tell them that mixing up the genders in examples already was a compromise. If we were being unreasonable, we would be demanding that all the people in the examples be female for a few decades to make up for all the previous years.

 
Comment by jane
2012-10-18 05:48:13

It seems to me that we might be better off, especially as regards politics and policy, if we just adopt evidence-based argument. E.g., think about why we have our positions, and discuss them when we have facts to put on the table.

It would go like this: Here’s a context. Here’s what I observed. Here is my thinking based on that observation. What do you think?

See? My turn, your turn, my turn, converge on an operating premise that is useful, until a contrary fact emerges. Then you change your operating premise to account for the new fact. Grist for a great conversation, the ways to account for the new fact. Our grasp of the “facts” seems undermined by wishful thinking, as a society.

Evidence-based thinking and argument is calmer, and makes for a more relaxed conversation.

That being said, trauma does affect you forever. I still shudder when remembering how the
infrastructure in which I had previously thrived went ‘poof!’ - the Tier I BigCos either vamoosed altogether or “rightsized”, all within a period of a couple of years. We’ve all been eviscerated one way or another, if we haven’t lived by ourselves alone in a cave. Flashbacks can do a job on you.

My coping mechanism was to get a yob where I could, and go to engineering school because it’s the language of common understanding, in this area. A concrete way to move forward. I still can’t speak calmly about the place I left. Whenever it catches me unawares, I get all twitchy and OCD with escape plans (freedom of action is my hot button, and my prior scenario had me trapped).

Some respond to similar circumstances by clipping coupons and counting cash (maybe being cashless represents being trapped for them). For some, being robbed in what they consider their sanctuary, similar to being raped, represents similar trauma. People’s views will be colored forever by the circumstance that shatters the deal they thought they had made with the world.

Hence our ranting.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-10-17 06:37:56

Obama has spent 100s of millions of dollars to convince people that Romney just was an unacceptable candidate. With every debate, that narrative is undermined. Six months ago, I would never had voted for either one of them.

But last night, Romney said he would get tough of China and took a hardline on amnesty in the immigration debate. Obama did not really even answer the questions. Combine that with Romney’s stance on the federal reserve and its printing money strategy, I see a real difference, at least in rhetoric, between the two. Still not convinced Romney will do what he says but at least I am hearing what I want to hear. Obama does not even say he will change his policies so the next four will be the same as the last if he is reelected.

Add to that the elimination of capital gains and taxes on interest and dividends for those making less than $200,000 and I have a real incentive to vote for Romney. I am sick of all the paper work and taxes due to the hedging of my stocks by writing call options. The end to the war on savers is needed in America and the middle class needs more incentive to save particularly in this low interest rate environment.

The debate on foreign policy will determine whether I still vote third party which I have done since 1992 or cast a vote for a major party candidate.

Comment by michael
2012-10-17 07:05:18

i actually sat up in my seat when romney started talking about the chinese currency peg and potential tariffs.

Comment by michael
2012-10-17 07:25:53

Also I noticed that Romney wants to exempt middle class investment income from tax to encourage saving….that’s something I’ve been telling people that needs to be done.

He might have won Florida with that comment.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-17 07:29:51

exempt is another giveaway to rich people…how about the first $25,000 or 50,000yr. tax free

 
Comment by michael
2012-10-17 07:41:54

he said for the middle class…rich people are not middle class…because…they’re rich.

 
Comment by scdave
2012-10-17 07:51:44

he said for the middle class ??

Well sure….Throw them a political bone while I raid the bank not to mention ever how he intends to pay for it…..

 
Comment by S Carton
2012-10-17 08:12:03

…how he intends to pay for it.

Exactly, I would love savings and investment income to be tax-free for the middle-class. Chances of that happening…zero. Same with his cap on deductions. I would vote for this guy three times if I actually believed he could/would do it. Middle-class taxes are going up no matter who wins. IMO, Romney/Ryan tell bigger lies.

 
Comment by whyoung
2012-10-17 08:34:56

“how about the first $25,000 or 50,000yr. tax free”

Won’t that create even more who don’t owe federal taxes?

 
Comment by S Carton
2012-10-17 08:55:05

Not if you collect a paycheck.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-17 09:01:59

Most are thinking of retirees….saving for a lifetime or cashing in your house and banking the money…so tax free with the first $25K of income would be for the middle class and encourage savings.

500K at 5% is 25Kyr…..back when interest rates were normal…
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Won’t that create even more who don’t owe federal taxes?

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-10-17 09:12:08

Republican “Get tough on China” = “Check is in the mail” = “I’ll pull out, I promise…….”

Talk is cheap. We’ve had thirty years of Republicans driving the agenda, and we know what they are all about.

Illegal immigration? Instead of putting people in jail for hiring illegals, we’re putting up half-azz border fences (probably being built by Republican-supporting small businessmen…….or Halliburton).

Getting tough with China? The Republican’s get their money from people who got rich outsourcing. Don’t make me laugh.

 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-10-17 11:02:18

Illegal immigration? Instead of putting people in jail for hiring illegals, we’re putting up half-azz border fences (probably being built by Republican-supporting small businessmen…….or Halliburton).

I remember the absurdity of the “Virtual Fence”. An actual fence would have dramatically cheaper and much more effective.

 
Comment by Steve J
2012-10-17 14:24:23

Tariffs against Chinese goods will cause inflation at Walmart. All just part of the plan to create more serfs.

 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-17 08:07:45

Obama has spent 100s of millions of dollars to convince people that Romney just was an unacceptable candidate.

I received an unsolicited DVD in the mail yesterday from a group that only identifies itself as “DFMRF, LLC”. The DVD is titled “Dreams from My Real Father” (it has a hammer and sickle next to the word “Real” which is also colored red)

This DVD, according to its packaging, purports to prove that Obama is a communist. Not a socialist mind you, a communist.

This is how low the Romney campaign has sunk

Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-17 08:10:16

Well Obewanna loves Deadbeats anyone who wont pay up or take responsibility is covered….sound like commie talk to me

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Comment by scdave
2012-10-17 08:49:34

Well Obewanna loves Deadbeats anyone who wont pay up or take responsibility is covered ??

Yep….All 47% of them….

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 08:11:33

It’s sad when desperation drives people to commit fraud (see my above post about Paul Ryan’s fake soup kitchen charity work for a glaring example).

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Comment by MacBeth
2012-10-17 08:42:57

How do you know that what is on the DVD is fraudulent?

Interesting presupposition. Are so always this non-biased?

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-17 09:02:25

“How do you know that what is on the DVD is fraudulent?”

Oh please.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-17 09:16:08

This would be like if a Super Pac made DVDs accusing Romney of having a sinister plan to use the presidency to convert the USA to Mormonism and mailing it to Evangs and Fundies.

 
Comment by MacBeth
2012-10-17 09:54:53

Again: How do you know the contents of the DVD is fraudulent?

Shooting the messenger doesn’t change the validity of the content. You also can insult me all you want…yet that too will not change the validity of the content.

You also can stick your fingers in your ears and chant “La, La, La” but that too won’t change validity.

Prove that the content is fraudulent.

Also prove how the content of the DVD “…would be like if a Super Pac made DVDs accusing Romney of having a sinister plan to use the presidency to convert the USA to Mormonism and mailing it to Evangs and Fundies.”

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-17 11:43:27

Prove that the content is fraudulent.

How about you prove that it’s true?

Why should I waste my time watching some right wing, racist tripe? Especially when it was sent anonymously to me by an organization that won’t even print its name on the return address? For all I know, it was sent by the KKK.

 
Comment by MacBeth
2012-10-17 12:31:44

You’re the one making the accusations.

It is your task to prove it.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 17:47:54

“How do you know that what is on the DVD is fraudulent?”

Because I’m not a moron. Anybody but a moron can figure this out.

 
 
Comment by goon squad
2012-10-17 08:43:25
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Comment by Bad Andy
2012-10-17 06:44:02

A low blow even for you ahansen.

What was the one point where this forum changed from discussion about housing and related topics to an all out assault on anyone who doesn’t subscribe to the Democrat propaganda machine?

Comment by Ross Peroxide
2012-10-17 07:27:55

It’s a political season. Politics is mostly you are going to get next 3 weeks. Enjoy them or Ignore them.

Comment by Bad Andy
2012-10-17 07:32:52

I don’t even mind political discussions as long as we’re not destroying someone’s personal character…especially over something like their religious views. Not cool at all.

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Comment by Ross Peroxide
2012-10-17 07:47:01

I am afraid it’s going to get much worse as desperation kicks in. Good things about not getting involved emotionally in either candidates are you can enjoy your life and get a good night sleep.

 
Comment by scdave
2012-10-17 07:54:49

especially over something like their religious views ??

Polygamy…..Is that what you consider a “religious view” ??

 
Comment by CharlieTango
2012-10-17 08:15:09

I didn’t hear, who is the polygamist?

 
Comment by scdave
2012-10-17 08:52:30

It relates to Ahansens first post on the board…

 
Comment by Bad Andy
2012-10-17 10:03:33

Yes, ahansen compared Romney to a fundamentalist Mormon and wants people to connect dots that aren’t there.

 
Comment by Dale
2012-10-17 11:46:03

“Yes, ahansen compared Romney to a fundamentalist Mormon and wants people to connect dots that aren’t there.”

….not to mention pedophile.

 
Comment by mathguy
2012-10-17 12:21:27

Just a reminder, Obama is a christian, and Christians came from Jews and Kind David for sure had numerous wives. Just saying. Obama is a polygamist because his religion promoted polygamy…

 
 
 
Comment by MacBeth
2012-10-17 08:46:28

It is par for the course for ahansen.

 
 
Comment by CharlieTango
2012-10-17 08:36:06

I thought that was an original thought Alena but I see ‘binders’ is how the left is playing this. Poor taste I think.

BTW Skadi is open for Thanksgiving.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-10-17 14:09:34

but I see ‘binders’ is how the left is playing this.

But now I’m reading that Romney’s binders story is not even the truth.

“we took a concerted effort to go out and find women who had backgrounds that could be qualified to become members of our cabinet. I went to a number of women’s groups and said: ‘Can you help us find folks,’ and they brought us whole binders full of women.” Mitt Romney last night.

“Not a true story.

What actually happened was that in 2002 – prior to the election, not even knowing yet whether it would be a Republican or Democratic administration – a bipartisan group of women in Massachusetts formed MassGAP to address the problem of few women in senior leadership positions in state government. There were more than 40 organizations involved with the Massachusetts Women’s Political Caucus (also bipartisan) as the lead sponsor.

They did the research and put together the binder full of women qualified for all the different cabinet positions, agency heads, and authorities and commissions. They presented this binder to Governor Romney when he was elected.

I have written about this before, in various contexts; tonight I’ve checked with several people directly involved in the MassGAP effort who confirm that this history as I’ve just presented it is correct — and that Romney’s claim tonight, that he asked for such a study, is false. ”

http://blog.thephoenix.com/BLOGS/talkingpolitics/archive/2012/10/16/mind-the-binder.aspx

Comment by scdave
2012-10-17 15:08:54

But now I’m reading that Romney’s binders story is not even the truth ??

Untruth or flip-flop number how many from Moderate Mitt or I mean severely conservative Mitt or is it etch-a-sketch Mitt…Damm-it I am so confused…

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 17:49:14

He’s so busy pretending to be this, that or the other thing his handlers instruct him to pretend to be, I’m sure he’s pretty confused, himself.

 
 
 
Comment by ahansen
2012-10-17 22:43:58

Speaking of taste :-)

Glad to hear it, CT. Now let us spray for snow.

 
 
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-10-17 11:41:53

Who’s paying you to promote religious bigotry and communism in the blogosphere?

Comment by Dale
2012-10-17 12:24:49

You should have been here around the time they were passing Obama care.

Comment by ahansen
2012-10-17 14:52:39

I do not support “Obamacare” — it’s a giveaway to my publicly-sworn enemy, the “health” insurance industry.

As an elitist, antitotalitarian, and anarchist, I’m about as far removed from “communism” as anyone on this blog. I do, however, believe in “community”, which is why I post here. By the way, for those who think I’m overly partisan, last year St. Andrew Brietbart called me out at a party for Republican bigwigs as “the coolest person in the room”. It just willful stupidity that I have a problem with.

Finally, please explain how it is possible to be a “religious bigot” when one is militantly anti-religionist? For one so obsessed with “progressives” and “commies” you bandy words with remarkable miscomprehension.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-10-17 15:33:11

I do not support “Obamacare” — it’s a giveaway to my publicly-sworn enemy, the “health” insurance industry.

And I’m with you on that one, ahansen. Right down to the quotes around the word “health.”

 
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-10-17 15:52:33

Sorry, but so called anarchists are really just communists who want to bring down the capitalist system. Kind of funny that they call themselves anarchists and support communism at the same time, shows the unexplainable corner they’ve backed into. Also, the progressives are religious bigots to all religions with the exception of Islam. Why Islam? Anti-capitalism.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-10-17 16:43:25

Sorry, but so called anarchists are really just communists who want to bring down the capitalist system.

I love your posts Nick. They make me pause and really thank God that I wasn’t born an idiot.

(And this is coming from a Methodist “religious bigot“!) :)

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-10-17 20:54:35

The mind boggles….

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by snowgirl
2012-10-17 01:59:51

Push coming to shove in the Empire State?

According to (NY Post’s Fred) Dicker’s sources, a coalition of cities - including Syracuse, Yonkers and Rochester - has come together to seek more financial help from the state. Dicker reported that these cities have started to talk about bankruptcy, and that the Cuomo administration is sick and tired of hearing these same Upstate complaints.

“The mayors have got to come to the state with a plan that explains what’s causing their problems and how they plan to solve it,” a source close to Cuomo told Dicker. “To come to us year after year for a handout as they have been doing, only to come back next year asking for the same handout, is a nonstarter. It doesn’t work.

The author of this Syracuse Post Std article offers this nugget of truth: In Syracuse, a municipality already cordoned in by frozen boundaries, roughly half the existing property is tax exempt - in a community that is home to thousands of residents who live in poverty.

Half the buildings are tax exempt in a city? Who are the power centers benefitting from this situation and why is it just now being discussed at the upper levels of government as we are about to hit the wall? Yes, my rant is rhetorical. I understand the tax exempt organizations and the people in upper levels of our state government or very often one in the same.

http://www.syracuse.com/kirst/index.ssf/2012/10/post_338.html

Comment by 2banana
2012-10-17 07:30:57

Of course, Albany binds their hands with state laws on how they have to deal with the public unions and other insane mandates.

Declare bankruptcy. Void the public union contracts and start providing services to their citizens at costs the taxpayers can afford.

They won’t do that. They were all elected with massive public union support.

So more and more people with vote with their feet and the problem will get worse and worse.

And they will complain that there was nothing they could do.

Lord help you if you own a house in these cities.

Comment by scdave
2012-10-17 07:59:35

Declare bankruptcy. Void the public union contracts and start providing services to their citizens at costs the taxpayers can afford.
They won’t do that ??

Maybe more like they can’t do that…At least here in California it is a front & center question in the Stockton California BK…It may have to go to the Supreme Court to finally decide if union contract & pensions have “standing” over all others including bond holders…

Comment by 2banana
2012-10-17 09:46:14

The insanity of lefties.

To them governments are formed and run to benefit public unions and to elect democrats.

And city services that are performed are just things that happen if the stars align. They are not really the purpose of government.

There are many cities out there that the cost for public union PENSIONS and FREE retired health care costs is more than 100% of the city budget.

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-10-17 11:36:21

Insanity for the courts to decide that contracts are binding?

There is no doubt that the cities are in trouble. There is no doubt (in my mind) that many California cities entered into unsustainable contracts with their unions. Is Stockton really a hotbed of liberalism? Or are their problems really caused as much by a drop in development and property tax receipts as by union contracts?

Jefferson County, Alabama is in trouble because of sewer project bonds. No union contracts to worry about there.

 
Comment by scdave
2012-10-17 12:18:43

Or are their problems really caused as much by a drop in development and property tax receipts as by union contracts ??

The court appointed city manager said in a interview that within 5 years the police and fire departments would consume 100% of the city budget….After BK, the unions & pension fund ( I think Pers) said they are not taking a haircut…So what was left was other departments and of course the bond holders…

Pers said if through BK they tried to cut the pension contributions they would sue in court saying they had standing over everyone else including bond holders…Bond holders stepped-up and said if we take a haircut the pensioners are going to take a hair-cut also or we are going to sue…

Thats the last I have heard on the matter…

 
Comment by mathguy
2012-10-17 12:25:13

If the courts rule that bond holders take a back seat to public union pensions, just watch the interest rates on bonds rise as the extra risk of losing your place first in line in bankruptcy court kicks in. In fact, it will probably be quite a bit harder to fund any bond measure. Hmm, maybe not such a bad thing after all.

 
Comment by scdave
2012-10-17 13:18:02

Thats why it may take a supreme court test…There is a lot riding on it…One bondholder is in for 100-mil…And, if the supremos where to rule that the pensions do not have standing, then the $h1T would really hit the fan…It would give every municipality in the country a reset button option through the bankruptcy court…

 
Comment by 2banana
2012-10-17 13:31:07

Isn’t that the ENTIRE IDEA of bankruptcy???

It would give every municipality in the country a reset button option through the bankruptcy court…

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-17 13:37:08

dave …..picking one over the other may not be the only choice what if everybody had to accept say 80% payment everyone’s cut is the same….

 
Comment by Steve J
2012-10-17 14:27:22

It is illegal to solely use BKP to abrogate union contracts.

 
Comment by CharlieTango
2012-10-17 14:35:50

link?

 
Comment by scdave
2012-10-17 15:20:32

Isn’t that the ENTIRE IDEA of bankruptcy ??

You would think so but PERS claimed that they had standing and that the pensions and contributions toward those pensions could not be altered and are basically Guaranteed…In this particular instance it was with Vallejo and the city blinked in that they did not want to have a legal fight with the mighty PERS…

In the Stockton case PERS has a much larger foe…I believe there is one re-insurer that has 100-mil on the line plus other bond holders…The article suggested that the re-insurer will litigate if PERS does not take a haircut also…That was the last information that I had read…

what if everybody had to accept say 80% payment everyone’s cut is the same ??

Well, I think thats what the bond holders want but PERS is suggesting they are off-limits…

solely use BKP to abrogate union contracts ??

I suppose so but in the case of Vallejo & Stockton BK was not used to just abrogate the contracts…The cities are broke so the union contracts are fair game I suppose…

 
 
 
Comment by snowgirl
2012-10-17 16:09:10

I would say in Syracuse the problem is we give employers and developers tax breaks in order to prouduce a little job creation. I had no idea it was so bad that 1/2 the properties are tax exempt.

 
 
 
Comment by frankie
2012-10-17 03:07:06

Crate of wine …. check
Nibbles ….. check
Comfy seat …. check
Light fuse …. check

How did the debate go?

Let the fireworks commence :)

Comment by 2banana
2012-10-17 04:42:43

A sad and rude tie.

Too bad not one of them “we are going to stop the looting and start prosecuting” and restore sanity to our monetary system.

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Comment by vinceinwaukesha
2012-10-17 05:04:00

Frankie you forgot to print out your logical fallacy bingo game!
For those of us who aren’t heavy drinkers (those folks play debate drinking games) its really kinda fun.
Google will find it for you, or go to:

http://lifesnow.com/bingo/

for those who (wisely) don’t click random URLs because they don’t like watching Rick Astley videos (also seen much worse…) this page has a traditional 5×5 bingo card and each time you load it up logical fallacies get shuffled into different cells. On this load, top row center column is “Straw Man” with a link to the wikipedia page for that fallacy. If you click in the box you get a X in it, very web 2.0ish (sarc tag).

I also skipped the Pepsi vs Coke debate last night. What little I’ve read and heard is that both sides were pretty much true to character last night. Lots of “I predicted he would say… and he said it”

Comment by frankie
2012-10-17 07:12:10

Well I have my Buzzword Bingo card available (much used at work, especially when Management call a meeting).

As for Rick I’ve actually met him, we went to the same school. We even lived in the same town, he’s moved on so have I (I suspect his residence is much posher and in a much nicer area than mine)

 
 
Comment by michael
2012-10-17 07:17:37

“How did the debate go?”

romney won the first debate…

obama won the second debate…

and biden is still an idiot.

Comment by Bad Andy
2012-10-17 07:34:49

“and biden is still an idiot.”

You meant to say the fact is Biden is still an idiot…right?

 
Comment by scdave
2012-10-17 08:10:48

I would rather have your perceived idiot as a VP then the previous criminal that we had…

Comment by Bad Andy
2012-10-17 10:06:56

Pure moron vs. pure evil. I don’t like either but I can tell you which I’d rather have on my team.

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Comment by scdave
2012-10-17 12:22:07

I don’t like either but I can tell you which I’d rather have on my team ??

Tell that to the families of every man & woman lost in Iraq….

 
 
Comment by Avocado
2012-10-17 10:44:15

So true! Sheeple forget they gave us Cheney, then Palin, now Ryan.

Biden is a god in comparison.

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Comment by Lip
2012-10-17 08:01:46

Did anyone change their mind on the candidates?

No? Me neither.

Comment by CharlieTango
Comment by Ross Peroxide
2012-10-17 08:27:35

Frank Luntz and his focus groups - one of the reasons I don’t watch political debates (for that matter any news).

These “undecideds” usually have strong opinions. It’s a mystery they are still undecideds….May be it’s just a way to get on TV for 15 seconds of fame?

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Comment by michael
2012-10-17 08:33:42

MSNBCs focus group did the same thing…to me that was more telling.

 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-10-17 09:28:40

My personal theory is that:

2008 McCain voters that switch to Obama will be FEWER than 2008 Obama voters that switch to Romney.

I know a few in the latter camp…none in the former.

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-10-17 11:13:00

This is obvious. McCain was hurt by two things in the fall that he could not recover from: the crashing economy (that was blamed on Republican policy) and Sarah Palin.

Romney picked a better VP. And after four years, he is not closely tied to the crash in 2008.

I think McCain could have recovered from the Palin pick. The economy was the nail in the coffin.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-17 12:38:40

I don’t think McCain was hurt by the Palin pick. He got a big initial bump up from her that scared the crap out of a lot of people, and then kind of faded back to the baseline as people learned more about her and some decided it wasn’t enough to get them to vote R. It was after the election was over that she became fully demonized…

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-10-17 18:38:12

“It was after the election was over that she became fully demonized…”

Well, she did keep sticking her foot in her mouth.

 
Comment by localandlord
2012-10-17 19:32:07

“I don’t think McCain was hurt by the Palin pick.”

I disagree - I knew when my stepbrother’s MIL announced she could not vote for Palin that the election was Obama’s.

SBs MIL was the staunch republican at our family gatherings.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-10-18 00:19:38

I think he was definitely hurt by Palin. He would have been hurt less if he was 15-20 years younger. With a president in his 70’s, you’ve got to wonder “what if?”.

 
 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-10-17 12:45:25

Did anyone change their mind on the candidates?

Some did.

Instant polls give Obama edge in second debate USA Today 3:35PM EDT October 17. 2012

….A Reuters/Ipsos poll found that 48% of registered voters awarded the debate to Obama, while 33% went with Romney….

“A CBS News/Knowledge networks poll of undecided voters who watched the debate found 37 percent giving an advantage to Mr. Obama, 30 percent favoring Mitt Romney….

….Mr. Obama’s advantage was clearer in the poll among independent voters, who gave him a 58-36 edge……

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 17:53:56

I was leaning towards voting for R&R until I saw the fake soup kitchen charity piece.

If there is one thing I absolutely cannot stand, it’s a fraudulent act of charity. How low can you stoop?

I just simply cannot vote for anyone who wantonly commits acts of fraud. It’s a terrible signal for what a politician will do once in office.

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Comment by Awaiting
2012-10-17 04:46:31

Anyone replace patio door sliders lately?
Anyone have experience with Argon Gas
and climate control? STC (sound transmission class) is another issue. We have train whistle noise. (not horrible)

Had French Doors in our last home, and decided we wanted to revert back to sliders (screen doors a plus), but not sure of what to buy. A 15′, 12′ and a 6′ opening.
Any feedback?

Comment by Combotechie
2012-10-17 05:09:47

Question: How is argon gas used in climate control?

Comment by polly
2012-10-17 05:11:58

Don’t they put argon between the panes of glass in double paned windows?

Comment by Combotechie
2012-10-17 05:22:01

Looks as if they do. Wiki-up double-paned windows and you will be presented with a good read.

Thanks, Polly. Learn something new every day.

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Comment by Housing Deflation
2012-10-17 05:13:17

Throwing good money after bad, one fist-full at a time.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2012-10-17 06:37:51

A lot of sliders are sold by one entity and installed by a separate, independent entity. That way if something goes wrong the two entities can point fingers at each other. At best the problem takes a lot of time and hassle to get fixed. At worst, you give up and pay a third party to fix it.

Find a source that uses their own employees to do the installation, and their warranty explicitly includes both material and workmanship.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2012-10-17 08:15:17

They make glazing & frames that helps with soundproofing…Done all the time around airports…But, I would be more concerned about the sizes you are suggesting…15′ ?? Wow…Thats one big a$$ opening…Your going to have structural issues…

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-10-17 09:52:15

I’ve had good luck with Andersen Low E windows.
You might also consider “orphan” slider windows for part of the 15′ and 12′ spans.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-10-17 10:51:46

I have Pella sliders at my place. They’re replacement windows. Love ‘em!

 
Comment by cactus
2012-10-17 12:51:57

I think Anderson uses wood / vinyl so its a stronger frame

I have all double pane windows in my house but not Low e glass unfortunatly. I don’t know who made them? I also have the big wood plantaintion shutters they are really nice.

I have re-screened some of the windows using solar screen on the south facing windows. Low e would have really helped there.

 
 
Comment by cactus
2012-10-17 12:36:47

12′ opening means 2 6 foot glass doors ?

I would reduce the size of the slidders. big heavy slidders wear out the wheels they roll on they are much heavier now that they are double glass

I had a 10′ in my Townhome way too heavy plus really expensive. 8′ is pretty standard I think ? 4 foot slidder with a 4′ fixed piece.

my 2$

Comment by polly
2012-10-17 14:01:33

“my 2$”

Talk about inflation…

 
Comment by Awaiting
2012-10-17 19:07:30

Thanks for the feedback all you smart classy folks. Much appreciated. I did some reading tonight on argon duals, and they can leak within 6 months.

That 12′ and 15′ slider are much cheaper as retrofits, dividing them into 2 stationary and a middle slider. Our budget is $10K or less including the 6′ slider in my office room. The kitchen window is the only window replacement for now. Low-e is our plan for all.

I sit in my yard nightly and enjoy the stars and moon. Life is good. Warts and all, we love our home.
Thanks again everyone.

 
 
 
Comment by Housing Deflation
2012-10-17 04:55:30

If you bought a house 1998-2012, you’ve lost money. Alot of money.

Comment by Ross Peroxide
2012-10-17 08:18:46

Make that 1998-2015.

 
Comment by mikeinbend
2012-10-17 11:56:50

Just real quick as am between Middle School science lessons.
I bought in 2009 at $90/sq foot.
I could sell, if comps are correct and newly recorded deeds from the neighborhood are to be trusted as data, for $100 sq ft today. Plus $25000 income from rent during the interim.

Can I lose? Not likely if I sell NOW.

But I certainly do want to ring the register now; while the dead cat is as high as some of my students; because I believe you that selling later for less is in the cards.

Comment by cactus
2012-10-17 13:08:43

Can I lose? Not likely if I sell NOW.”

really ? I can think of a few ways you could lose big time

I guess it all depends on what you plan to do with your cash profit ?

Comment by mikeinbend
2012-10-17 16:32:54

just referring to the one housing transaction; not how I may squander the proceeds.

For now I just collect the rent as it is a ROI higher than what I could do with the cash pile post sale.

But I am a bit nervous about the prophet RAL; and his prognostications about home values universally falling.

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Comment by Housing Deflation
2012-10-17 16:59:34

“But I am a bit nervous about the prophet RAL; and his prognostications about home values universally falling.”

You should if you have any expectations of getting anything out of a depreciating asset.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Awaiting
2012-10-17 19:17:05

Housing Deflation
We bought our toe-tag home for cash. We will never move. No payment and our renovation will be a wash in our former rent costs in 3 years. We are also happy again. That is worth a lot to us. There is no rewind button in life.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 20:39:50

“…toe-tag home for cash…”

That term has a way of turning my stomach every time I read it.

 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2012-10-17 05:08:22

Norway’s Housing Boom Could Turn to Bust
CNBC - Holly Ellyatt - 10/17/2012

Norway, which chose to remain outside the EU and the euro currency, enjoys an enviably stable economy and a booming housing market - but it could be going down the perilous route taken by Spain and Ireland, according to economists and recent analysis.

According to a report by Bank of New York (BNY) Mellon, Norway’s housing sector, which has seen prices jump by almost 30 percent since 2006 - could end up replicating a pattern of housing booms and busts seen across the globe, from the U.S. to Japan to Spain and Ireland.

Indeed, Norway’s house price rise has been so dramatic that the San Francisco Federal Reserve wrote a paper on the subject in June that made parallels between the lead up to the U.S. housing crisis and the “irrationally exuberant bubble” of Norway’s present boom.

Written by an advisor to Norway’s central bank (Norges Bank) Marius Jurgilas and San Francisco Fed’s senior economist Kevin Lansing, the paper stated that Norwegian property prices are currently 125 percent of the historic price-to-income ratio and around 170 percent of the historic price-to-rent ratio - a full 50 percent above their last major peak 20 years ago.

Home prices continue to rise sharply with the Association of Norwegian Real Estate Brokers (NEF) reporting an 8.1 percent annual increase in August.

Mellor added that as house prices rise, household debt in Norway is also rising.

“In the case of Norway, the ratio of household debt-to-income has risen dramatically over the past decade and currently stands at around 210 percent - well above that seen in the U.S. before its own bust in 2007 (with debt/income at 130 percent).”

“My suspicions are Norwegians are infected with a success story for their own country that makes high home price increases seem plausible to them,” a success only aggrandized when compared to its economically ailing euro zone neighbors.

“They feel smug in their superiority with regard to the European crisis. They didn’t even join the EU, let alone the euro. They don’t have to bail out any irresponsible southern countries. They have North Sea oil. They have low unemployment. [In short] they are doing everything right, and lots of people want to come to Norway.”

However, Shiller notes that there is a paradox in the Norwegian success story.

“Norway is just about the last country to expect a housing bubble to appear, at least not a rational bubble, since it has so much empty land.”

“If home prices get elevated, there should be a prompt supply response, new houses will be built, bringing prices down, unless there is some kind of political or zoning problem. Even such political problems tend not to last forever. “

Comment by frankie
2012-10-17 07:25:43

Norges Bank Investment Management, which manages $615bn on behalf of the Norwegian government pension fund, has agreed to acquire two buildings in Berlin and Frankfurt from Royal Bank of Scotland, the fund said on Wednesday.

The deal will be a joint venture with Axa Real Estate Investment Managers, and is worth €784m ($1bn), said both groups in separate announcements. Axa Real Estate, which acted on behalf of Axa France Insurance Companies, and NBIM will acquire a 50% stake in each building.

http://www.efinancialnews.com/story/2012-10-11/norway-nbim-axa-rbs-germany-property

Norway’s Government Pension Fund Global (GPFG), the world’s largest sovereign wealth fund, will be closing on its first US real estate investment by the end of next year. “The U.S. is the largest real estate market so if you want to have a global portfolio you must have exposure to the U.S.” said Trond Grande, deputy chief executive officer at Norges Bank Investment Management.

http://invezz.com/news/real-estate/514-norway-oil-fund-plans-investments-in-us-real-estate

We are all saved the Norwegians are coming.

Comment by 2banana
2012-10-17 07:32:24

All 23 of them?

We are all saved the Norwegians are coming.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 05:52:08

It looks like the policies outlined in the Fed’s White Paper are coming to fruition, and the homebuilding sector is set to build the U.S. economy’s way to recovery.

Housing starts surge to fastest pace since 2008
An available building sit inside a new townhouse construction complex in Fairfax, Virginia, outside Washington February 29, 2012. REUTERS/Larry Downing
WASHINGTON | Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:40am EDT

(Reuters) - Groundbreaking on new U.S. homes surged in September to its fastest pace in more than four years, a sign the housing sector’s budding recovery is gaining traction.

The Commerce Department said on Wednesday housing starts increased 15 percent last month to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 872,000 units. That was the quickest pace since July 2008, though data on housing starts is volatile and subject to substantial revisions.

Augusts’ starts were revised to show a 758,000-unit pace instead of the previously reported 750,000.

Economists polled by Reuters had forecast residential construction rising to a 770,000-unit rate.

The housing starts rate is now about 40 percent of its peak in January 2006. The housing market, the Achilles heel of the recovery from the 2007-09 recession, is slowly healing.

September groundbreaking for single-family homes, the largest segment of the market, rose 11 percent to a 603,000-unit pace - the highest level since August 2008. Starts for multi-family homes climbed 25.1 percent.

Building permits grew by 11.6 percent to a 894,000-unit pace in September. August’s permits were unrevised at 801,000 units.

Economists had expected permits to rise to a 810,000-unit pace last month.

(Reporting by Jason Lange; Editing by Neil Stempleman)

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 06:16:22

Don’t fight the Fed!

Housing: The nail in Pandit’s coffin?

By Stephen Gandel, senior editor
October 16, 2012: 10:14 AM ET

Vikram Pandit’s resignation comes a day after Citigroup admitted it missed the refinance boom.

Vikram Pandit is out at Citigroup

FORTUNE — This time Citigroup may not have gotten to the dance soon enough.

On Tuesday morning, Citi’s CEO Vikram Pandit said he was stepping down. The bank announced that Michael Corbat, a long-term veteran of the bank and former head of investment banking, was taking over.

Pandit’s resignation comes one day after the bank announced third quarter earnings that showed Citi (C) had missed the recent rebound in mortgage lending. Following a long telegraphed move by the Federal Reserve, falling mortgage rates have spurred a refinancing wave in home loans. What’s more, a higher than normal spread between mortgage rates and other interest rates have allowed a number of banks to mint money in their home loans division.

MORE: Citigroup’s Pandit out

Citigroup is the exception. Mortgage lending dropped in the quarter from a year ago. Citi’s CFO admitted on Monday that the bank was late to staffing up in the area. The bank’s lack of ability to pivot and get back into the housing market, something its rivals appeared to do with ease, could have been what finally pushed the board to decide that Pandit should go.

Comment by michael
2012-10-17 07:16:34

“…showed Citi (C) had missed the recent rebound in mortgage lending.”

When a ball player is described as “missing” it implies that the ball as gone by…the whistle is blown…and the play is over.

So Vandit missed?

Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-17 07:27:10

I guess he didn’t make a big advertising push for refis because he would have had to hire thousands of people.

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Comment by jbunniii
2012-10-17 08:56:39

I finally closed my remaining Citi accounts last month. There was a prominent sign in the teller queue advertising their mortgage rates: over 4% for a 30-year-fixed! You can easily get 3.5% almost anywhere else. No wonder they were “late to the dance.”

Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-17 09:18:37

Why were they so high? Don’t they just pass them onto Freddie and Fannie?

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Comment by jbunniii
2012-10-17 17:30:36

I assume they do. I suppose some of their customers don’t bother shopping around for a better rate. I kept checking and savings accounts there for years out of inertia, even though the interest rates they pay are paltry even by today’s standards. I have concluded that if you bank with Citi, you are essentially continuing to bail them out by accepting poor interest rates. I have now moved all of my accounts to a credit union.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Housing Deflation
2012-10-17 06:21:27

MORE inventory!

Comment by oxide
2012-10-17 08:53:15

…In physically deteriorating condition. HBB has this notion that this housing inventory is made of deadbeat but caring families who took updated their systems right up until the day they were kicked out, so that an HBBer can snap up a pristine home for 35 pennies on the dollar.

From what I’ve seen, distressed inventory needs as much $$ in repair work as the $$ in price drop to sell it. Even the better houses have years of deferred maintenance that can’t be put off too long. I found that out myself. (still glad I bought)

Comment by Housing Deflation
2012-10-17 09:32:45

And you have this notion that somehow you’re exempt from the losses of buying a depreciating asset at a grossly inflated price.

Why is that?

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Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-17 10:31:35

HBB has this notion that this housing inventory is made of deadbeat but caring families who took updated their systems right up until the day they were kicked out, so that an HBBer can snap up a pristine home for 35 pennies on the dollar.

In my case I assumed that early on (because I assumed that they would get kicked out as quickly as they used to), but I have since been disabused of that notion.

I do believe that my eventual house, if it exists, is still being lived in and well cared for by its current occupants at this moment. Possibly it will never be foreclosed, but will simply be sold someday at market price after the market has been allowed to do what it’s wanted to do for years now. Or maybe it will be new construction at future market price…

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Comment by Romney's Lies
2012-10-17 07:31:49

This is the malinvestment which results from poor government policies and cheap fed money. Despicable.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 08:10:19

Oct. 17, 2012, 11:03 a.m. EDT
U.S. stocks lifted by housing, hit by earnings
By Kate Gibson, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — U.S. stocks tilted mostly higher Wednesday after data had new-home construction at a four-year high, offsetting disappointing results from technology bellwethers.

“If we’ve had one sector increasingly positive it’s been housing, and today’s data proves that out again. That said, we’re in the middle of earnings season, and that’s a bumpier ride now,” said Art Hogan, market strategist at Lazard Capital Markets.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-10-17 09:32:10

I wouldn’t get too excited yet…annualized data means a couple tens of thousands more homes built NATIONWIDE in the month. Especially since September is a slower month.

I wish they would be more transparent about how many homes nominally were built as compared to last year…the annualized data always feels misleading.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 05:54:35

After seeing The Daily Show’s take on Paul Ryan’s soup kitchen charity work, I understand why one of our neocon posters foamed at the mouth like a rabid hound dog over a very innocuous remark I made about the incident in yesterday’s Bits Bucket.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 05:59:39

Do politicians get paid by Jon Stewart to provide him with material like this?

Tuesday October 16, 2012

Democalypse 2012 - Please, For the Love of God, Make It Stop
Paul Ryan stops at an Ohio homeless shelter to wash dishes specifically set aside for campaign snapshots of him selflessly washing them.

Comment by Combotechie
2012-10-17 06:33:00

And washing the pots and pans was really easy for him to do because the they had already been washed. And this revealation offered up a great opportunity for the opposition to throughly trash him.

Some of these campaign managers are really stupid.

Comment by Ross Peroxide
2012-10-17 07:32:57

Or is it like the reality show? When you see TV cameras, you just feel like doing or saying something. Mostly stupid, anyway.

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Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-10-17 13:06:31

By NBC’s Alex Moe and Betsy Cline

LYNCHBURG, VA — Amid questions and criticisms related to Paul Ryan’s visit this weekend to an Ohio soup kitchen, the charity’s president said the Republican vice presidential candidate did, in fact, scrub dirty dishes though his visit wasn’t officially sanctioned.

The question of whether the Wisconsin congressman cleaned dishes that were actually dirty – as opposed to re-washing already clean dishes so as to get a good photo opportunity — Mahoning County St. Vincent De Paul Society President Brian Antal clarified that Ryan did clean soiled dishes. This differs from what Antal had told The Washington Post Monday.

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Comment by MacBeth
2012-10-17 08:51:56

And THIS is what you’re going to hang your shingle on?

That’s some hard-hitting stuff, right there.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2012-10-17 07:13:38

Really? That is what you are really upset about?

A practicing Catholic goes to a Catholic soup kitchen?

Is that really what the left and obama want to focus on? I know the left and obama really need to ignore what was done to this country in the last four years under obama’s leadership…

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 07:59:32

Spin away, dude.

For those of you who don’t want to take 2banana’s word for it, I suggest you watch the video posted above, which documents how Paul Ryan pretended to wash clean dishes, even though some dirty ones were available nearby in case he wanted to do some actual work, for the purpose of misleading the public into believing that he was doing charity work at a homeless shelter.

This is outright fraud, by the dictionary definition:

fraud
noun \ˈfrȯd\
Definition of FRAUD
1
a : deceit, trickery; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right
b : an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick
2
a : a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor; also : one who defrauds : cheat
b : one that is not what it seems or is represented to be

Despicable.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-17 08:14:29

The head of the soup kitchen was clear in that Paul Ryan did no real work and did the photo op without permission (because the soup kitchen has a no political photo ops policy). They barged in, took the pictures and left.

As for Mr. Ryan’s alleged Catholicity, the National Council of Bishops has condemned his proposed budged as immoral.

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Comment by polly
2012-10-17 14:13:28

Charities can lose their tax exemption if they engage in politcal activity (in favor of or opposed to a political candidate). A lot of them have policies that are meant to protect them from doing what is forbidden and from doing anything that gets even remotely close to it. A candidate that can’t respect those organizations’ desires to keep the heck out of politics is behaving very badly.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2012-10-17 08:20:33

I agree Pbear…Dishwashing with the camera rolling is not “charity” work…

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 08:31:59

He could have at least had the decency to wash the dirty dishes instead of pretending to wash clean ones.

I would never vote for a politician who is above washing dishes.

 
Comment by albuquerquedan
2012-10-17 13:36:26

Once again you have been deceived by the MSM. I post it again so you can comment:

By NBC’s Alex Moe and Betsy Cline

LYNCHBURG, VA — Amid questions and criticisms related to Paul Ryan’s visit this weekend to an Ohio soup kitchen, the charity’s president said the Republican vice presidential candidate did, in fact, scrub dirty dishes though his visit wasn’t officially sanctioned.

The question of whether the Wisconsin congressman cleaned dishes that were actually dirty – as opposed to re-washing already clean dishes so as to get a good photo opportunity — Mahoning County St. Vincent De Paul Society President Brian Antal clarified that Ryan did clean soiled dishes. This differs from what Antal had told The Washington Post Monday.

 
 
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-10-17 11:47:27

“Despicable.”

How many embassy workers died during this dish washing incident?

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 17:57:01

Propaganda technique #10,000,001: Irrelevant comparison…

 
 
 
Comment by vinceinwaukesha
2012-10-17 08:01:35

“what was done to this country in the last four years under obama’s leadership”

Yeah … what exactly was that again? Is there any substantial qualitative difference between USA 2008 and USA 2012? Most of the negative campaigning has been against abstract theoretical … nothing. Or shouting out random numbers or random thoughts.

I have told by the same crowd for about four years now that he is gonna institute Sharia law, ban christianity and replace it with islam, close the concentration camp in cuba (as if thats bad), ban all guns, implement socialized medicine and close all the hospitals, deploy UN troops in the heartland of the USA, destroy the destroyed economy even more (aka bomb the rubble), he’s a Kenyan (who cares, the neo’s treat every other line in the entire Constitution as toilet paper, so WHY should I care where he was born?), send all the troops home from our 2nd and 3rd Vietnams in the middle east. About all he really did was the latter, and that was a great idea.

And after hearing for four continuous years how he’s going to ban guns and institute Sharia law uh next month and this time we’re really not kidding and its gonna happen, even if the same bunch of clowns suddenly start telling the truth, why should ANYONE start believing them?

The funniest part is nobody is willing to explain how McCains leadership either would have made any of it better, or different in any substantial way, or different in any substantial result, or discredited specific definable aspects of McCain’s policies with new Rmoney policies.

Comment by scdave
2012-10-17 08:23:47

why should ANYONE start believing them ??

And what is at the core of that underlying theme that they profess ?

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Comment by 2banana
2012-10-17 09:42:36

The funniest things about liberals/lefties is how they pull out the same old tired argument “they are all the same, so why bother?” and “They are all the same no matter who wins” when THEIR DEMOCRAT INCUMBENT has a good chance of losing.

But when it is a republican incumbent - the fate of the earth, keeping the rising waters in check and saving grandma/kids from starvation make it the MOST IMPORTANT election in our lifetime. Why - the differences are so stark we must get those evil republicans OUT NOW. Life will BE SO MUCH BETTER when our DEMOCRAT is elected.

You guys are funny.

The funniest part is nobody is willing to explain how McCains leadership either would have made any of it better, or different in any substantial way, or different in any substantial result, or discredited specific definable aspects of McCain’s policies with new Rmoney policies.

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Comment by mathguy
2012-10-17 12:32:26

Even worse, we had four years of continued QE, four more years of zero financial crimes prosecution, four more years of continued open border and trade policy, and four more years of international military intervention.

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Comment by Lip
2012-10-17 08:30:28

2banana,

Yes, that’s all they have.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 08:33:09

Aside from money and lies, what do you propagandists have to offer?

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Comment by MacBeth
2012-10-17 08:57:44

Well, they certainly don’t have you to offer, along with your self-proported non-biased views on All Things Important.

 
Comment by Hecate
2012-10-17 11:32:53

By the pricking of my thumbs,
Something wicked this way comes.

 
 
 
Comment by Avocado
2012-10-17 10:54:44

I think we are focusing on the fraud and hypocrisy.

Since we don’t have details on R&R’s plans to make up for the lost revenue on the 20% tax cut… (just trust them)….

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-17 11:49:09

A practicing Catholic goes to a Catholic soup kitchen?

LOL! He’s an acolyte of avowed atheist Ayn Rand. If he’s a “practicing Catholic” then Bill in LA is the Pope.

Comment by whyoung
2012-10-17 13:08:20

Claiming that you are a person-of-faith gives lets you rationalize your moral-fascist tendencies and feel really good about yourself.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2012-10-17 09:35:12

I was a pretty big fan of John Stewart. I always expected a bias. However, I must say that he is tilting statements against Romney WAY more than I have ever seen against any other Republican candidates.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-10-17 10:06:41

Maybe because Romney is a bigger hypocrite/liar than any other Republican candidate.

Comment by Rental Watch
2012-10-17 10:25:04

No. It was Stewart twisting/parsing words to try to show that Romney was a hypocrite/liar.

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Comment by Avocado
2012-10-17 10:55:58

+1

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 06:06:23

Can you spot the Obama bounce in this graph? (It’s the wee little bitty brand new one developing just to the right of the big Romney bounce…)

2012 US Presidential Election Winner Takes All Market

Not all markets are efficient these days (especially those subject to heavy government regulation and/or manipulation), but this one seems to be very efficient…

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-10-17 07:05:16

I will stick with the proven professional.

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 49% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns the vote from 48%. One percent (1%) prefers some other candidate, and two percent (2%) are undecided. See daily tracking history.

 
Comment by Ross Peroxide
2012-10-17 07:57:32

FWIW

May be Soros is buying them? That’s the response from my pollster friend. He’s not a partisan fellow and couldn’t explain the divergence between the PUBLIC polls and the election markets. According to him, the campaigns’ internal polls match the public polls, so someone or some group is pretty convinced that Obama is going to win and betting a farm. He knew that intrade is mostly foreign money but didn’t know about other markets.

This is going to be my last report from him. I promised him I would not bother until after the election. It’s a Christmas season for him and his firm. They are making a killing. All you who donated to political campaigns, his family appreciates.

Comment by Ross Peroxide
2012-10-17 08:01:26

pretty convinced of an October surprise and Obama is going to win

Comment by oxide
2012-10-17 10:00:00

I thought October surprised were negative against the incumbant.

Or do you think they’ll find something else on Romney? There’s the tax thing that always seems on the verge of popping but that doesn’t seem to phase the voters.

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Comment by Ross Peroxide
2012-10-17 10:12:57

The way Obama is running the campaign, Romney is actually the incumbent. I don’t think it’s working, but what do I know….I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Romney’s tax records get leaked out any day.

 
Comment by scdave
2012-10-17 13:27:23

I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Romney’s tax records get leaked out any day ??

In a race this tight, a significant October surprise on either side would likely be the death nail…

 
Comment by polly
2012-10-17 14:18:30

Death nail? Did you mean death knell?

If former McCain staffers haven’t already leaked his tax records, it probably isn’t going to happen. That campaign leaked a lot and they had 20 years of his tax returns.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 08:02:08

“May be Soros is buying them? That’s the response from my pollster friend.”

That would open up a great opportunity to create money for anyone who wanted to bet against Soros (unless you think Soros also has the ability to somehow buy the election outcome…).

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 08:04:40

I also suspect polls are easier to manipulate than markets (unless central banks get involved), but that may just reflect my own prejudices rather than fact.

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Comment by Ross Peroxide
2012-10-17 08:13:44

Yes - many polls are nothing but garbage. Some polls are downright disingenuous; always pushing something, wither creating a narrative or supporting. Then there’s the problem with modelling the turnouts. Also don’t forget the less than 10% participation rates.

What if the betters are solely relying on these polls?

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 08:35:29

We get lots of phone calls from polling organizations, probably because of my wife’s eager willingness to provide responses.

Lately I have started off the calls by asking what organization is funding the poll. Last time this happened, I learned the poll was being conducted by one of the mayoral candidates in San Diego, in an overt attempt to smear his opponent.

I told the pollster that I had no interest in participating in a fraudulent survey, then hung up.

 
 
Comment by Avocado
2012-10-17 10:58:27

is that what it comes down to : soros vs kochs, who can buy the election?

Offering a 20% tax cut, with no intention or plan of making up for the loss, seems like “buying the election.” But, I am paying attention.

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Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-10-17 11:14:17

I actually suggested that as a possibility earlier. Soros wants to help Obama and manipulating that betting helps with donations and creates a bandwagon effect. Best of all if he wins, it does not cost him anything he actually makes money.

However, I think that the alternative is that the generational gap is probably wider this year than I ever have seen it. Younger people are more likely to be betting than the older so that distorts the result.

Comment by oxide
2012-10-17 12:13:16

Pump & Dump on InTrade in order to influence the media narrative seems to be a far more effective use of money than to buy up airtime for negative ads that people just tune out anyway.

Who’s to stop Sheldon Adelson from pumping InTrade in the opposide direction?

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 06:12:48

Sheila Bair: “I’m sure Vikram still blames me”
By Shawn Tully, senior editor-at-large
October 16, 2012: 12:00 PM ET

Fortune columnist and former head of the FDIC Sheila Bair discusses the ouster of Citi CEO Vikram Pandit.

FORTUNE — Sheila Bair, head of the FDIC during the financial crisis, was strongly critical of Vikram Pandit in her new book Bull by the Horns: Fighting to Save Main Street from Wall Street and Wall Street from Itself. Bair was appalled that Pandit, a hedge fund manager, was chosen to rescue one of the world’s largest banks, and clashed with Pandit over Citi’s failed attempt to buy Wachovia. So it was only natural for Fortune to seek Bair’s reaction to today’s stunning news. Bair is a Fortune contributor. Shawn Tully, Fortune Editor-at-Large, conducted the interview.

Were you surprised by the news today that Vikram Pandit is resigning as ceo of Citigroup (C)?

I viewed his resignation as a positive. The board is doing its job, by opening up a new chapter for Citigroup. I take at face value what the board said about his departure. The Citi board is being responsible to shareholders. The bank’s performance under Pandit was very bad. Citi’s board is opening a potentially new direction, and should be commended.

As FDIC chief, you were influential in arranging Wells Fargo’s purchase of Wachovia during the financial crisis. Pandit had wanted to buy Wachovia to expand its undersized branch network. How do you view Citi’s failure to buy Wachovia and had that lost deal might have affected its future?

I think a purchase of Wachovia by Citi would have had a very bad result. There were discussions with the NY Fed about Citi buying Wachovia, supposedly with support of the FDIC, without my knowing about it, and with government assistance. There were also discussions between Wells and Wachovia to make what would have been a stabilizing transaction.

We learned from the s&l crisis that putting two sick institutions together ends badly. Wachovia had bought Golden West, which had an extremely troubled mortgage and commercial real estate portfolios, and was still originating bad option arm loans. Neither Wachovia nor Citi were well-managed banks. As analyst Mike Mayo said, if the deal had gone through, it would have been like putting two drunks together. It could have blown up in the FDIC’s face. We needed good management, and Wells was much more experienced at managing troubled assets than Citi.

I’m sure Vikram still blames me, and thinks that all these problems would have gone away if he’d been able to buy Wachovia, with a big subsidy from the government.

Comment by Ross Peroxide
2012-10-17 08:35:01

Sheila B? That sounds like 80’s pop singer.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-10-17 10:54:52

We learned from the s&l crisis that putting two sick institutions together ends badly. Wachovia had bought Golden West, which had an extremely troubled mortgage and commercial real estate portfolios, and was still originating bad option arm loans.

And I can recall quite a bit of hooting about this deal back on the HBB. I think we, the diss-ers of the Wachovia-Golden West deal had it right. We thought it was a dumb deal, and oh, was it ever.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2012-10-17 07:25:59

It is true. Liberals can never run and win on what they really believe. They always sound conservative in their ads and debates.

Why didn’t obama talk about raising taxes, growing the size and scope of government, abortion at any time or place paid for by taxpayers, growing the debt by $5 Trillion, socializing medicine, letting us know about his private KILL list, giving more and more power to public unions, etc.

Why? - because he would lose in a landslide.

————————–

Debate II: Obama goes conservative
Chuck Morse Speaks | Oct 17, 2012 | Chuck Morse

I can’t count the number of times I’ve debated liberals on my show who responded to the confrontation by effortlessly and seamlessly turning themselves into conservatives. This is because it is much easier to shape-shift than to have to defend or explain their irrational positions on issues or their indefensible beliefs.

This is exactly what President Obama did in Debate II at Hofstra University. Suddenly Obama became the champion of the middle class and small business in spite his lack of any identifiable initiative on their behalf in his four years as president. Suddenly Obama becomes the champion of tax cuts in spite of his fight to raise taxes over the objections of conservative Republicans and Democrats in Congress. And never mind tax-amageddon, the biggest tax increases in history, which are scheduled to kick in next year if he is re-elected.

Notice how Obama stood up for Planned Parenthood, not because they are the largest abortion provider in the country, a word that Obama avoided uttering, but rather because they provide services to women that conservatives support. Notice how Obama stood up for fair wages for women without mentioning that women in his own office earn less than to men doing the same types of jobs.

Obama suddenly became the champion of austerity and budget cutting while he portrayed Mitt Romney as a supporter of increasing the budget deficit by 8 trillion dollars. In other words, it was Obama who was the conservative when it came to deficit spending. Never mind the fact that he increased the National Debt by almost 5 trillion dollars.

On immigration, Obama sallied forth as the strong standard bearer of upholding immigration laws. Never mind that he sued Arizona for attempting to enforce laws that were already on the books at the Federal level. Obama became the advocate of the second amendment in spite of efforts by his State Department to negotiate an international gun ban through the auspices of a U.N. treaty.

The choice comes down to which candidate would be the more conservative president as there appears to be a consensus in this country that conservative policies are what are needed going forward into the next four years. And while there are some legitimate questions regarding Mitt Romney’s conservative bona fides, the request should nevertheless be made: Will the real conservative please stand up?

Comment by scdave
2012-10-17 08:34:42

What is it that you offer here 2fruit ?? What he offers is what would be expected from him….

Chuck Morse is a conservative American journalist, author and radio talk show host from Boston, Massachusetts

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 08:36:59

Liberals Libruls

Learn to spell, two-ti-fruitti…

 
Comment by Avocado
2012-10-17 11:03:26

Obama has cut government jobs and the DOW is up 68% since he took office. S&P is over 80%. What is not to like?

He kept us out of the Bush Depression (for now).

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 08:08:10

Oct. 17, 2012, 5:31 a.m. EDT
10 greatest market crashes
By MarketWatch
The modern record

Some 25 years ago, Wall Street saw its biggest one-day percentage slide ever sparking familiar worries about small investors and depressions. The long-term damage wasn’t as severe as the 1929 crash, but the 1980’s bubble pop was spectacular by any measure. Here’s a look at 10 other great market crashes and some of their unusual consequences.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-10-17 10:49:34

Yawn…

Why we may be doomed to repeat Black Monday 1987

Prepare yourself for another stock-market crash as damaging as that of Oct. 19, 1987, writes Mark Hulbert. At current levels, that would mean a single-session Dow decline of more than 3,000 points.

Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-17 12:42:08

But the circuit breakers now won’t allow it, right? So it would have to be spread over a week?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-10-17 13:09:34

I agree, and don’t think the Marketwatchers did their homework.

A repeat of the 1987 crash has been ruled out by technical limits on daily market movements. What I believe has not been ruled out is a months-long selloff like happened in the tech stock crash of the early 2000s…

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Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-17 14:07:55

I did read the article after posting my comment and it sounds like they are sure that “somehow” the big money would find a way around the circuit breakers.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-10-17 09:18:42

Dirty shoes? How did steroids get contaminated? scary stuff

Was it some moldy ceiling tiles? The dusty shoes of a careless employee? Or did the contamination ride in on one of the ingredients?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20121016/DA1USHDO0.html

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-10-17 09:40:38

Those stand-up, rugged, bootstrapping, Government-is-the-problem guys at Koch Industries, continue their expansion into the Government Cheese business….

http://tinyurl.com/cmf8pzh

Comment by goon squad
2012-10-17 10:45:14

Take America Back!

Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-10-17 11:09:14

Now those b@stards are stepping on Al Gore`s toes!

 
 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-10-17 10:04:42

Koch brothers start plans to fight Obama literally days after the election, get upset when people call them names, threaten to send a Democrat to their room for saying “BS”, and want government cheese to business/poor people/everybody eliminated (well, except for their cheese….., see previous link)

http://tinyurl.com/9rmkyn6

While telling their employees that their jobs will be threatened, if Obama is re-elected.

http://tinyurl.com/d7w3qy3

(My favorite line is how their father developed a hatred of “Socialism” while building refineries for Stalin in the 30s. But didn’t hate them enough to cancel the contract, or return their checks)

Comment by goon squad
2012-10-17 10:47:25

Restore Our Future!

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2012-10-17 10:15:26

Yes - he is a democrat.

The lefties and democrats are funny.

The want bigger and bigger government and higher and higher taxes but NEVER WANT TO PAY FOR IT.

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LA County Assessor John Noguez arrested amid corruption probe
KABC News | 10/17/2012

Los Angeles County Assessor John Noguez has been arrested amid an on-going corruption investigation.

Assessor’s office employees had complained they were pressured to lower property taxes for clients who were prominent contributors to Noguez’s campaign .

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-10-17 11:44:08

They want bigger and bigger government and higher and higher taxes but NEVER WANT TO PAY FOR IT.

That has to be the dumbest and funniest sentence that I’ve read in a long time. What don’t they want to pay for? The higher taxes?

It’s right up there with “No one goes there anymore because it’s too crowded” and “Keep the government out of my Medicare!”

The lefties and democrats are funny.

You’re way funnier dude. You just proved it. :)

 
Comment by Avocado
2012-10-17 11:57:21

I just want to put an end to fraud and waste, so I am anti neo-con.

Or does that make me a liberal? Maybe, as I do like clean air and water and dont believe big corps should run America.

 
 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-10-17 10:19:11

Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-10-16 18:53:27
“The Southern Democrats are now Republicans and switched over civil rights. But you knew that.”

You guys keep trying that one…the jig is up. It’s patently false, how stupid do you think people are? Do they teach that lie in communism 101 or 102?. Oh, and he left out Bull Connor, he was also a Democrat.”

In response to nickpapageorgio’s disputing of the shift of white southern Democrats to the Republican party after the 1964 Civil Rights Act, here is an interactive graph that shows the shift. The shift of southern states did not happen gradually. This is not speculation or propaganda, simply fact. Only hard core Republican apologists dispute it.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/10/15/us/politics/swing-history.html

And the graphic is pretty cool. Utah has been Republican as far back as the graph goes and DC has been consistently Democrat.

Comment by goon squad
2012-10-17 11:30:50

The “southern strategy”, of “the silent majority” responding to the rasict dog whistle:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_order(politics)

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-10-17 12:51:21

And the graphic is pretty cool. Utah has been Republican as far back as the graph goes and DC has been consistently Democrat.

If I’m reading it right Utah and the other Rocky Mountain states (except AZ) went for Johnson instead of Goldwater in 64. What happened to the Rs in 64? I can see why Nixon developed his southern strategy…it appeared the Rs were doomed as of 64.

Comment by Steve W
2012-10-17 13:48:13

Jfk’s death & the nuclear bomb commercial with the little girl picking daisies…
Goldwater was successfully portrayed as too extremist for America. His own party essentially gave up on him.

What I didn’t know (just read about this) was how he won the primary–apparently Rockefeller was the moderate choice from the Northeast but had recently divorced his wife and married a girl 15 years younger who had rather quickly divorced her husband. He lost a big lead at that time due to many party members being aghast at this, but still had a chance going into the California primary…but, bad timing–his new wife gave birth 3 days before the primary which brought the topic up again. Goldwater won the primary 51-49% and that was it.

great stuff.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-10-17 18:45:35

You’re right. I missed Utah in 1964.

 
 
Comment by Lip
2012-10-17 13:54:40

Happy, thanks for sharing.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-10-17 18:46:47

You’re welcome. I love a good graph.

 
 
 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-10-17 10:44:57

Now is a great time to squat!

Rent?
Buy?
Short sale?

Why when it`s a squatters market. Why pay anyone for a place to live when you can squat. It`s the fiscally responsible thing to do.

 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-10-17 11:21:12

This article is blatantly Squatist

How to Deal With Squatters in Your Neighborhood

14 authors | 40 revisions | Last updated: June 9, 2012

Squatters are people who move into abandoned, foreclosed, or otherwise unoccupied homes or premises. Generally, under United States law, the owners can have a squatter evicted for violating loitering or trespassing laws, unless the squatters can establish that they have tenants’ rights or can gain adverse possession due to the property having been completely abandoned by the owner.[1][2] Other countries have similar laws, although you should seek specific advice dependent on where you are.

In the current difficult economic climate, squatting is on the increase. Read on for what to do if you suspect that a squatter has taken up residence in your neighborhood and you want to play it safe.

Ask questions early on if places in your area suddenly become vacant

Know your neighbors and your neighborhood.

Try to keep an eye out for signs of squatters moving in

Learn the laws in your city and state regarding abandoned property

Call or visit your local police station.

Call the utility companies and inform them that the new people are not the original owners

Avoid interacting with the squatters

Call the bank and notify those responsible for handling the relevant property.

Write down their license plate number if the squatters have a vehicle

Sit back and let the bank and police handle it

Stand up for yourself

http://www.wikihow.com/Deal-With-Squatters-in-Your-Neighborhood - 60k

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-10-17 18:48:24

“Squatist”

:)

 
 
Comment by michael
2012-10-17 11:25:28

Fun with effective tax rates:

A school teacher that works with special needs children makes $ 100 a year and donates no money to charity.

A hedge fund manager makes $ 200 a year and donates $ 100 to charity.

The marginal tax rate for both is 50%.

The school teacher and the hedge fund manager both pay $50 in tax and both take home $ 50 after tax and donations to charity.

The school teacher’s effective tax rate is 50% while the hedge fund manager’s effective tax rate is 25%.

Fun with tax policy:

Now…we got to make sure that rich bastard pays his fair share right? What do you think is going to happen to the donations to charity in order for that rich bastard to still take home $ 50 after taxes?

“The problem with Americans today is that they are in-numerate.” – said someone once

Comment by Rental Watch
2012-10-17 11:38:06

Playing off the tax policy discussion, the piece of Simpson Bowles that I like the most is the piece I have never heard discussed.

1. S-B suggests to lower marginal rates;
2. Remove deductions;
3. Make capital gain another form of income (making the tax rates the same as if it were ordinary income);
4. Keeps the tax code AT LEAST AS PROGRESSIVE as it is now; and
5. Raises some revenue in the meantime.

With the inclusion of #3, and ignoring whether the math makes #5 true or not, the part I like, is that the tax burden is shifted within each income strata of society–placing marginally LESS burden on workers, and MORE burden on investment.

Romneys/Buffetts pay more, rich business owner (with ordinary income) pays less.

For now, given the massive amount of cash just sitting around earning $0, I’m less concerned about the increased burden on capital investment given the fact that lowering burden on workers will (IMHO) result in more jobs in the near term.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2012-10-17 12:09:46

What do you think is going to happen to the donations to charity in order for that rich bastard to still take home $ 50 after taxes?

Gosh…that’s deep…..will the “rich bastard” still be able to go to that charity to wash the dishes??

Fun with tax policy: dishes!

 
Comment by MacBeth
2012-10-17 12:16:21

Excellent question.

IMO, charity and tax deductions should have nothing to do with one another. They should be muitually exclusive.

Rather, I think that somehow, any reward stemming from charity should be social in nature, not monetary.

And those social rewarfds should be more heavily promoted and rewarded. Charity should be held in much higher regard by individuals, families and societies.

I very much like having decent, charitable people around me. I often let such people now how much I appreciate and cherish them.

I believe that such thinking will make a strong comeback in the years ahead…out of necessity, yres, but also out of novelty.

Future generations might become quite entralled with interpersonal, direct, eye-to-eye communication as it is seen as a long ago, traditional way to communicate and generate relationships.

Comment by whyoung
2012-10-17 13:19:58

At minimum I’d like to see a separation of the types of charitable deductions…

Donations to non-profits such as museums, arts and social services (and similar) = OK

Donations to your church/temple/guru/cult = NO

(Any “faith based” organizations that want to do social work can set up separate organizations for their qualifying “reality based” work.)

Comment by michael
2012-10-17 14:18:10

so instead of filing an application to be treated as a tax exempt non-profit entity with the IRS and checking a box…you would have them check…a different box?

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Comment by polly
2012-10-17 14:27:20

It takes a bit more than checking a box. The form is called the 1023. Churches don’t have to file it at all, though they can if they choose.

 
Comment by michael
2012-10-17 14:38:47

i would be ok with requring them to file the form and checking a different box.

i would never recommend that a church not file the 1023. The IRS determination letter is requried to take advantage of certain state tax benefits.

i’ve done alot of 990s (for churches and other non-profits) and filed a few 1023s (other non-profits). but i guess if it’s not required…i probably wouldn’t be involved in the first place.

 
Comment by whyoung
2012-10-17 15:13:27

Clarification, meant NO deduction for donations for churches…

 
Comment by polly
2012-10-17 21:01:13

Churches don’t have to file a 1023 but they often do.

Churches don’t have to file 990s and almost never do. There is NO advantage to sending the IRS the form. None. If the church wants to fill it out and post it on its own website for information purposes, that is one thing. But filing it? No way.

 
 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-10-17 18:51:51

How about donations to someone else’s church?

I think the Salvation Army does great work, but I am not a member nor likely to become one.

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Comment by ahansen
2012-10-17 14:56:18

100% amen, Mac.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Ross Peroxide
Comment by scdave
2012-10-17 13:35:25

LOL…..

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2012-10-17 13:21:28

I want a cheap house.

I’m waiting.

Comment by howiewowie
2012-10-17 15:30:36

Me too. Been waiting since I was 30. Now 40 is right around the corner and … still waiting.

 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-10-17 15:38:15

Here is a HomePath house for $37,500 and it must be a bargain because it sold for $385,000 in 2007 but you better bring your AK

For Sale: $37,500

930 Briarwood Dr
West Palm Beach, FL 33415
N/A square feet, Land
View Map Print
Lot Size:0.23Year Built:N/ADays on ZipRealty:2Listed:10/15/12Price/sq ft:N/AEstimated Monthly Payment:$126School District:Palm Beach County School DistrictSource:Regional Multiple Listing ServiceMLS #:R3317945Status:Active
===========================================================
Location Address 930 BRIARWOOD DR
Municipality HAVERHILL
Parcel Control Number 22-42-43-36-21-000-0240
Subdivision BRIARWOOD NORTH
Official Records Book 24180 Page 1939

Sale Date NOV-2010
Legal Description BRIARWOOD NORTH LT 24

Sales Date Price OR Book/Page Sale Type Owner
NOV-2010 $20,100 24180 / 1939 CERT OF TITLE FEDERAL NATIONAL MORTGAGE ASSN

MAY-2007 $10 21734 / 0687 QUIT CLAIM GUIDE RICHARD A &

FEB-2007 $385,000 21456 / 1166 WARRANTY DEED GUIDE RICHARD

DEC-2004 $265,000 17949 / 0009 WARRANTY DEED NOUEL GILBERTO &

JUL-2002 $155,000 13960 / 0252 WARRANTY DEED PATAK WILLIAM &

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 17:59:22

Hang it up. Ain’t gonna happen.

I’ve thrown in the towel waiting. Investing elsewhere besides housing…

Comment by Muggy
2012-10-17 18:35:15

Renters for life?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 20:42:39

I’m parking savings in other places for now. If we manage to survive our kids college years without a major financial setback, we may consider options for buying empty-nest housing, if it makes more sense than renting.

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Comment by Muggy
2012-10-17 13:25:05

“Wealthy individuals from as far away as China, Nigeria, Russia and Australia are spending tens of millions of dollars to build classrooms, libraries, basketball courts and science labs for American charter schools.

The reason? Under a federal program known as EB-5, wealthy foreigners can in effect buy U.S. immigration visas for themselves and their families by investing at least $500,000 in certain development projects. In the past two decades, much of the investment has gone into commercial real-estate projects, like luxury hotels, ski resorts and even gas stations.

Lately, however, enterprising brokers have seen a golden opportunity to match cash-starved charter schools with cash-flush foreigners in investment deals that benefit both.

“The demand is massive - massive - on the school side,” said Greg Wing, an investment advisor. “On the investor side, it’s massive, too.”

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/12/us-usa-education-charter-visas-idUSBRE89B07K20121012

Comment by In Colorado
2012-10-17 15:27:22

In my neck of the woods Charter Schools are considered to be LDS Parochial Schools.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-10-17 13:44:06

Once again, David Dayen rains on the housing recovery parade…

House Starts Balloon to “Well Below Average” from “Catastrophically Below Average”

Includes a fun comparison of short-term and long-term graphs! And supper-happy quotes like this one!

[O]ddly enough, housing seems to be the only thing picking up in the economy, and it’s “picking up” in very idiosyncratic ways, determined by artificial supply constraints and years of underbuilding. Manufacturing has halted amid a global slowdown. Businesses, wary of the fiscal cliff and poor sales, have stopped investing. The consumer, perhaps feeling a wealth effect from this housing snap back, is still spending, but once they get a 2% net pay reduction from the expiration of the payroll tax cut, that could change quickly. The economy still looks jittery for 2013, especially if Congress bungles their response.

Comment by Housing Deflation
2012-10-17 14:20:04

These articles properly reframe perspective of housing by entirely dismissing the housing cheerleader misrepresentations.

At the moment, the next leg down for housing is in its’ infancy stage. Housing demand has truly cratered in the last 30 days and the Phoenix and Atlanta “miracle”‘ isn’t a miracle at all. Hedge funds pulling inventory off the market in both cities temporarily stalls the decline. That inventory is still excess… still empty. And it is everywhere. Nothing has really changed in that department. Hiding it or buying it in bulk is nothing more than a South Bronx shell game. It’s there. It’s growing and this false bottom won’t hold anymore than the false bottom created in 2008, 2009, 2010 or 2011.

Falling housing prices to dramatically lower levels is an economic positive for everyone.

 
Comment by snowgirl
2012-10-17 14:20:11

They’re shilling that we’ve hit bottom locally. Local personality Rick Regan on news and other shows proclaiming prices are going back up again. I guess Rick doesn’t both to read our very own state government publications:

STATE OF NY
2012-13 EXECUTIVE BUDGET
ECONOMIC AND REVENUE OUTLOOK
August 2012
Pg 7/398

The housing sector has been virtually absent from this recovery. If home foreclosures accelerate substantially more than expected, a housing market recovery could be further delayed. A surge in foreclosures could also impede the recovery in home prices, which would in turn delay the recovery in household net worth, also resulting in lower rates of household spending than projected. Alternatively, a large increase in household formation could result in stronger demand for housing and therefore a quicker recovery in home prices and construction employment than expected.

Warning: large file PDF

http://publications.budget.ny.gov/eBudget1213/economicRevenueOutlook/economicRevenueOutlook.pdf

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2012-10-17 14:38:27

Regarding today’s hot topic, Nintendo nerds will recall that Samus Aran was revealed to be a woman at the conclusion of the game.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5d/Metroid_boxart.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid_%28video_game%29

 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-10-17 16:29:17

Posted: 6:22 p.m. Wednesday, Oct. 17, 2012

Unpaid mortgage debt targeted for revenue stream

By Kimberly Miller

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Floridians who lose a home to foreclosure may be more doggedly pursued for their unpaid mortgage debt after a federal audit that says lender losses can be recovered by demanding payback.

That kind of collection process, called a deficiency judgment, is allowed in Florida, but has so far been rare.

The report, released Wednesday by the inspector general of the Federal Housing Finance Agency, says that recouping the debt can increase revenue to mortgage backers Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which own or guarantee about half of all U.S. mortgages.

“In addition,” the report notes, “pursuit against such borrowers may deter others who are considering default despite being financially able to make their mortgage payments.”

Florida law gives lenders five years to file for a deficiency judgment and up to 20 years to collect payment on that judgment. The amount is typically the difference between the unpaid loan balance owed by the borrower and how much the home fetches at foreclosure auction or resale.

Whether because lenders are too overwhelmed to pursue the debt or don’t feel it’s worth the effort, foreclosure defense attorneys report seeing few deficiencies filed.

“Given the way the market has been the last two years there has been more interest in pursuing them, but they still seem to be the minority of cases,” said John Bancroft, executive editor of the trade publication Inside Mortgage Finance. “I think in the past banks didn’t feel the success rate was going to justify the effort.”

In 2011, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pursued 35,231 deficiencies nationwide with a combined total value of about $2.1 billion. Of that, just $4.7 million, or 0.22 percent, was actually recovered, according to Wednesday’s audit.

Fannie and Freddie were taken over by the government in 2008 to prevent their financial meltdown. The two enterprises buy up home loans from banks, guarantee them against default and sell them to investors. Their nearly 31 million home loans are worth $5 trillion.

Fannie Mae has 1.2 million loans in Florida, of which about 167,000 are delinquent. Freddie Mac has 724,000 Florida loans with 96,000 that are delinquent.

Wednesday’s report says it should not be “construed as encouragement to aggressively pursue borrowers who do not have the ability to pay their mortgages.” But it also notes that other such government agencies that have housing programs as the Department of Agriculture and Department of Housing and Urban Development emphasize seeking deficiency judgments against so-called “strategic defaulters.”

A strategic defaulter is defined as someone who can afford to make their mortgage payment but chooses to go into foreclosure for other reasons, such as the home’s value has decreased. Seeking repayment of their debt is an “opportunity for (Fannie and Freddie) to strengthen their financial positions and to reduce the need for future taxpayer support.”

“They are talking about some moral obligation but I don’t see them talking about that when folks on Wall Street strategically default,” said South Florida foreclosure defense attorney Roy Oppenheim. “For them to go after the homeowners like this, I find it offensive.”

Federal Housing Finance Agency officials agreed with the report’s recommendations that it should standardize and oversee how deficiency judgments are sought. They said they also will assess the ability to identify strategic defaulters.

In 2010, Fannie Mae announced it would bar strategic defaulters from getting a new loan for seven years and pursue them for the unpaid debt. A Fannie Mae spokesman said Wednesday it was not releasing any information on how many strategic defaulters it has identified.

Joanne Epstein, a Realtor with the Keyes Company/Ragbir Team, said many homeowners don’t even know about the deficiency judgment when they’re making a decision on whether to short sell their home or go into foreclosure. Epstein, a short sale specialist, said most lenders will waive the deficiency in a short sale.

“People aren’t considering the consequences or that it will be a mark on them for years and years to come,” she said about foreclosure.

Comment by Combotechie
2012-10-17 20:59:17

No dollar shall be allowed to escape.

 
 
Comment by UNKNOWN TENANT
2012-10-17 16:32:12

Posted: 7:23 p.m. Wednesday, Oct. 17, 2012

Feds seek 8 years for ex-Goldman director in NY

The Associated Press

NEW YORK —

The government says a former Goldman Sachs board member convicted in New York of insider trading charges should serve at least eight years in prison.

Written arguments were filed in Manhattan federal court Wednesday over the fate of Rajat Gupta. The former board member for Goldman and Procter & Gamble Co. faces sentencing Oct. 24.

Gupta is from India. He was convicted in an insider trading case that resulted in convictions for 24 other people, including a one-time billionaire hedge fund founder from Sri Lanka.

The government says a prison term between eight years and 10 years is necessary to reflect the seriousness of the crimes and deter others.

Gupta’s lawyers want him spared time behind bars.

Copyright The Associated Press

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 18:01:05

Why are the sacrificial lambs typically from India?

Got judicial process discrimination!?

 
 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2012-10-17 19:01:13

I thought this was interesting. Texas landowners suing the company building the TransCanada pipeline.

http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2019449459_apusoilpipelinetexaslandowners.html

SUMNER, Texas —
Oil has long lived in harmony with farmland and cattle across the Texas landscape, a symbiosis nurtured by generations and built on an unspoken honor code that allowed agriculture to thrive while oil was extracted.

Proud Texans have long welcomed the industry because of the cash it brings to sustain agriculture, but also see its presence as part of their patriotic duty to help wean the United States off “foreign” oil. So the answer to companies that wanted to build pipelines has usually been simple: Yes.

Enter TransCanada.

As the company pursues construction of a 1,179-mile-long cross-country pipeline meant to bring Canadian tar sands oil to South Texas refineries, it’s finding opposition in the unlikeliest of places: oil-friendly Texas, a state that has more pipelines snaking through the ground than any other.

In the minds of some landowners approached by TransCanada for land, the company has broken the code.

Nearly half the steel TransCanada is using is not American-made and the company won’t promise to use local workers exclusively; it can’t guarantee the oil will remain in the United States. It has snatched land. Possibly most egregious: The company has behaved like an arrogant foreigner, unworthy of operating in Texas.

To fight back, insulted Texas landowners are filing and appealing dozens of lawsuits, threatening to further delay a project that has already encountered many obstacles. Others are allowing activists to go on their land to stage protests. Several have been arrested.”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-10-17 23:21:07

Crybabies will cry.

But lets get real here: Debaters who can’t follow the rules need to be reined in. It’s just that simple.

Politics
Crowley Interrupts Romney, Social Frenzy Erupts

CNN’s Candy Crowley is being criticized by the republican right for interrupting Mitt Romney at several points in the debate.

10/17/2012 4:24:00 PM1:08

 
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