Bits Bucket for November 6, 2012
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Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole.
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http://home.earthlink.net/~wfortier/Fark/5602067-vote.jpg
Made me smile
Like the Tammy Metzler character in the movie “Election”.
Excellent!
Politico - The looming GOP civil war — whether Mitt wins or not:
“Regardless of whether Romney wins or loses, Republicans must move to confront its demographic crisis. The GOP coalition is undergirded by a shrinking population of older white conservative men from the countryside, while the Democrats rely on an ascendant bloc of minorities, moderate women and culturally tolerant young voters in cities and suburbs. This is why, in every election, since 1992, Democrats have either won the White House or fallen a single state short of the presidency.
But Republicans are divided on the way forward. Its base is growing more conservative, nominating and at times electing purists while the country is becoming more center than center-right. Practical-minded party elites want to pass a comprehensive immigration bill, de-emphasize issues like contraception and abortion and move on a major taxes-and-spending deal that includes some method of raising new revenue.
But many rank-and-file Republicans in Congress and grass-roots activists won’t sanction amnesty for undocumented immigrants, are determined to advance restrictions on abortion and have no appetite for any compromise with Democrats on fiscal issues. And that doesn’t even get at the growing cleavage on foreign policy in the GOP between the party’s hawkish wing and the rising voices who prefer a more restrained role abroad.
There’s not much of a moderate wing left in the GOP, but the pragmatism versus purity battle that looms on the horizon could be as fierce as Republicans have seen since the Goldwaterites sought to wrest control of the party in the 1960s.
This split will loom over the GOP for the next few years whether Romney is in the White House or on the beaches of La Jolla. If he becomes the 45th president in January, Romney will have to tread carefully as he grapples with a conservative-dominated Republican House, a Senate GOP increasingly divided between old bulls and younger true believers and thousands of party activists who opposed him in two presidential primaries.
A Romney loss would mean the same internal issues would come to the fore more quickly and explosively but with no clear leader at the top of the party. Consider all the voices who’d jockey for attention: the pragmatic Senate and House GOP leadership; next-generation stars like Rubio and Paul Ryan; older reformers led by Jeb Bush; conservative stalwarts like Sens. Jim DeMint of South Carolina and Rand Paul of Kentucky ; and the talent-rich ranks of current Republican governors. These forces would all assert their authority in the lead-up to what could be a sprawling 2016 presidential primary that renders a judgment on which direction the party will take.”
http://www.politico DOT com/news/stories/1112/83305.html
“The GOP coalition is undergirded by a shrinking population of older white conservative men from the countryside, while the Democrats rely on an ascendant bloc of minorities, moderate women and culturally tolerant young voters in cities and suburbs. This is why, in every election, since 1992, Democrats have either won the White House or fallen a single state short of the presidency.”
Perhaps if they altered the party platform to appeal to a wider swath of America than the Neocon conservative extremist Retardican fringe, they could attract more votes?
It will still remain which flavor of Statism do you like best.
If the GOP withers away as predicted then we will end up with a defacto one party system, and that would be even worse than the joke of a system we have today.
Unlikely. There have been major parties that have come and gone or restructred and carried on. In the land of the free and home of the brave, we will always only have two choices. Ironic, no?
I’m not saying that the GOP will disappear, just that it will become the de facto minority party, unable to control either house and not even have a filibuster proof minority in the Senate. It would have to completely collapse before a new party could rise to take its place.
Not necessarily, the Democratic party used to be the party of slavery and look where they are now.
Look where we are now. Debt, the new slavery.
If the GOP withers away as predicted then we will end up with a defacto one party system, and that would be even worse than the joke of a system we have today.
No, as soon as they get tired of losing everyone who has strong reason to oppose the Ds will get together under one banner or another and do what it takes to get 51% at least for a while. The two party system will never end as long as we have a winner take all paradigm.
“If the GOP withers away as predicted then we will end up with a defacto one party system”
We had one party GOP rule for 6 years and Dem party rule for less than 1 year. I suspect that any one party dominance will not last very long. It just doesn’t take long for overreach to produce a backlash.
Neither.
I hate what each of the two parties has become for different reasons, not to mention that both are the Party of the 1%. I’m planning to lean towards the most viable third-party candidate whenever there is one in future elections.
You would have more influence if you concentrated on the primaries.
The other big change that could come about is priority voting. There are a variety of methods, but one is to pick a first and second choice and then some form of instant run off occurs where if the first choices don’t get one candidate over 50%, the second choice of people whose first vote wasn’t in the top two becomes their vote. It would allow people to vote for the person they really prefer, but know that they can do that while not completely undermining the coalition party person they prefer (if they have a preference between the two). It would completely change the dynamics of the system to give more power to parties/candidates with less support, but not allow them to hold the system hostage the way they can in a parliamentary system.
Of course, it probably won’t ever happen, but it is a very interesting idea.
You would have more influence if you concentrated on the primaries.
America is more polarized than ever. Why not let any party vote in any primary. I mean think of it. Dems are going to be ruled by Rebubs when they win and vice versa. Then why should not everybody be given a say in who is their leader, even the losers.
If everyone could vote in any primary, the candidates would be more moderate on each side and more likely to work together in a bipartisan manner.
We’d have way less whackjobs on either side of the isle. Just a thought.
Polly,
Instead of a priority voting system, how about keeping the “one man, one vote” idea but allow a voter to cast a vote either for a candidate (+1) or against a candidate (-1). The candidate with the highest score, even if it’s negative, wins. Would tell the candidates what people really think of them, and would introduce the prospect of a 3rd party candidate rising to the top as the main party candidate rack up lots of negative votes.
If everyone could vote in any primary, the candidates would be more moderate on each side and more likely to work together in a bipartisan manner.
I agree with this. The first few elections might be a little messy given how partisan we’ve become, but I think longer term it would work out. I’m at least open to trying things differently.
I’m planning to lean towards the most viable third-party candidate whenever there is one in future elections.
Is that what you opted for today, PB?
No. I opted for that a month ago, when my wife and I mailed in our absentee ballots.
Interesting, PB. I voted the same way, for essentially the same reasons, I believe.
Perhaps if they altered the party platform to appeal to a wider swath of America than the Neocon conservative extremist Retardican fringe, they could attract more votes ??
Ya think….I would disagree with the article in this particular way…A Romney win would give the neocons a half victory…They need another loss…
win or lose today…the GOP is in trouble.
lol.
win or lose today…the GOP is in trouble.
I agree. The angry-white-man (over 40) Party is doomed in its current form for national elections. The best thing for the Repubs long term would be an Obama victory. Then they would restructure quicker.
Then they would restructure quicker ??
Yep…Thats exactly how I see it….
GOP or Democrat win today…America is in trouble.
col.
Or even more quickly. Adverbs are dying and adjectives advancing.
Simple. Pragmatic. Anathema as a grammarian, yet liberating on the whole.
I pass on my semantic gas.
Breathe at your own demise -
“GOP or Democrat win today…America is in trouble.”
yep… that’s how I see it.
I’d still like a None of the Above option which I was under the impression was utilized in a couple of European countries.
You have a ‘None of the Above’ option. Vote for any 3rd party or Independent. Or for Monty Brewster.
“Monty Brewster”
WSJ Opinion Piece - Liberal Exceptionalism:
“It isn’t true that liberals don’t believe in American exceptionalism. When it comes to the national balance sheet, they think the U.S. levitates fiscally. And when it comes to the presidency, they think Barack Obama walks on water.
For some liberals, the concept of American exceptionalism smacks of a kind of dumb chauvinism. In the New York Times last month, reporter Scott Shane wrote a revealing article on “The Opiate of Exceptionalism,” which warns politicians that they court Jimmy Carter-like ruin whenever they speak truth to people. For Mr. Shane, asserting “exceptionalism” is the way American leaders gloss over the ugly realities of a country with (as he sees it) too-high rates of incarceration, military spending, obesity and child poverty.
Great nations may have greater grace periods, but they don’t get blank checks. Bills come due. Populations age and become more expensive to support. Interest rates do not remain near-zero forever. Overtaxed people figure out new ways to shelter their income from the government, or they renounce their citizenship. Whenever advocates of an expansive welfare state start talking about “economic patriotism”—a phrase Mr. Obama has lately been trying out on the campaign trail—you know the scoundrels really have found their last refuge.”
http://online.wsj DOT com/article/SB10001424052970204349404578100600454044238.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_opinion
“Deficits don’t matter” - Dick Cheney
I remember that W promised to actually pay down the debt during his administration. Of course, we all know what really happened.
We got obama who TRIPLED the already insane deficits of the Bush administration?
You an even watch it on YouTube.
Obama PROMISES To Cut Deficit In Half By 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyrlMr0Bedo
Read this graph and weep.
2012 US Presidential Election Winner Takes All Market
Conspiracy!
Romney actually up 90,000 in the actual vote counts coming from Ohio with over 1.2 million votes already counted from the early voting.
Perhaps the Republicans can find a way to disqualify enough Obama votes so they can come out on top? (The word “dimpled chad” comes to mind…)
Here is a chance to vote without bothering to hie your rumpus to the polling site:
Every vote counts, but will they all be counted?
So far, the “No’s” are up 78% to 22% “Yes’s”.
Voting disputes: A perfect storm in Ohio and Florida?
Legal fights already have erupted over early voting in Ohio and Florida, and storm damage poses challenges in New York and New Jersey.
Florida voters line up at the Miami-Dade County Elections Department to turn in absentee ballots. (Jose A. Iglesias, El Nuevo Herald / November 5, 2012)
Romney, facing difficult odds, remains undaunted
By Mitchell Landsberg and Joseph Tanfani, Los Angeles Times
November 5, 2012, 10:20 p.m.
There was the actual storm. Then there is the metaphorical perfect storm.
With polls showing a close presidential race, fears have risen that the integrity of Tuesday’s presidential election could be thrown into doubt by either damage from super storm Sandy, which has created enormous voting challenges in New York and New Jersey, or the confluence of ballot box disputes in battleground states.
Armies of lawyers were at the ready Monday as tussles continued over voting, especially in Ohio and Florida, the two states considered most likely to throw the presidential election into an overtime ballot dispute reminiscent of the Bush-Gore race of 2000.
David Beattie, a veteran Democratic pollster in Florida, predicted litigation in his state and Ohio whatever the outcome Tuesday.
“I would be shocked if there wasn’t,” he said. “Democrats will see it as precedent for how future elections are held. And Republicans will do it if Obama’s elected because they have nothing to lose.”
Seldom, if ever, has an election for president been preceded by so much angst over the mechanics of voting.
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The only vote fraud I see is occurring in the Philadelphia and it is the democrats that are engaged in it. A bit worried about PA perhaps?
The Ohio actual vote is another brick of evidence that there are more Republicans than are being accounted for in the MSM polls. Another brick was that Rasmussen reported that Romney won the early voting nationwide by 1% which is not consistent with other polls. For the democrats to win they need a D+6 or better, turn out when a R +1 is possible based on Gallup and Rasmussen data.
Contrary to some views, this race is not over. It is really just up to turn out like every close election. This is the most difficult election to call for any pollster or anyone who studies elections because 2008 was so different from 2010. Which model is closer this time is the key question. Most polls are using the 2008 model but if it closer to 2010 than get ready for President Romney.
If Romney loses, will you come out and admit that Rasmussen got it wrong this time?
They are now claiming it is dummy data:
A Cincinnati.com front-page link to a chart with dummy data, created as a design template for election results, was inadvertently posted early Tuesday morning.
It purported to show early voting totals in Ohio counties. However, no votes have been counted yet – by law counting doesn’t start until the polls close.
Cincinnati.com regrets the error.
Most polls are using the 2008 model but if it closer to 2010 than get ready for President Romney.
Maybe but:
The 2008 model differed from the 2004 model by about the same percentage as the 2000 model differed from 2010 which did not even replicate half of the changes from the potential 2012 model that will be used in 2014.
2016 is a whole new ball game because of Obama’s free cellphones.
(Rasmussen has Romney up in Wyoming.)
By the way, actual data from Cuyahoga county has the republican early vote at 138% of 2008 and the democratic at 89%.
Trouble with that data is that just assumes that a registered democrat vote D etc. but does not adjust for people that may have changed parties since they registered.
It is interesting this is from Market Watch (CNBC) a few days ago:
Psyched about stocks? Vote Romney. Bullish on bonds? Back Obama.
Stocks would get a bounce from a Mitt Romney victory in Tuesday’s presidential election, while bonds would benefit from Barack Obama winning a second term, analysts say.
Interestingly, the stock market is doing quite well today suggesting a Romney victory is sensed. However, a contrary signal is being sent by gold which is also soaring today and Romney is considered a negative for gold. I guess in a close election the tea leaves will go in opposite directions.
At least, I am making bank on the metals but I am receiving no guidance.
Damn those facts again!
The stock market did well under both Clinton and Obama, and crashed at the start of Ronald Reagan’s (1980-1982) and George W. Bush’s (2000 tech stock blowup) first terms in office. Hence an up market can easily be interpreted as a signal the market anticipates a Democrat win.
It is not what market watch said two days ago. And that is what the post is about. And while Ronald Reagan may have started down it was many times its low by the end of his presidency. No, if the market is up due to information about the election leaking out, then it is because Romney is doing well.
Frankly, CBIT you cannot win this election. All that is going to happen if he wins, is that Obama is going to be President when the economy collapses and he will go down as the worse president ever. His policies do not work and even a friendly press cannot hide that fact forever.
Chris Matthews is starting to lose it on MSNBC today. He is calling anyone that does not vote or votes third party an idiot. I wonder what he knows.
Now we hear from Dan Rather:
By KEVIN ROBILLARD | 11/6/12 12:32 PM EST
Longtime television journalist Dan Rather said on Tuesday that reporters shouldn’t predict elections based on their gut — but added that his tells him Mitt Romney will have a good day.
“Something in my gut tells me that it’s going to be a good day for Romney,” Rather said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “But as a reporter, you don’t report your gut. The polls all indicate, yes, Obama, he has several paths to victory, Romney has only one. But don’t taunt the alligator until after you cross the creek.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83402.html#ixzz2BTFKqcBZ
Chris Matthews is starting to lose it on MSNBC today. He is calling anyone that does not vote or votes third party an idiot.
I voted for Gary Johnson. If Chris Matthews thinks I’m an idiot, then I must be doing something right.
“I voted for Gary Johnson.”
+1 Same here!
I also voted against all incumbents regardless of party.
I will go on with my attempt to live a happy and successful life regardless of the outcome. My fight to expose and defeat the communist infiltrators in our country will also never end.
Vote Anti-Communist 2012 - May the force be with you and god helps us if they (the communists) succeed in Fundamentally Transforming the United States of America.
Remember…Early voting for communists begins tomorrow at 7am nation wide. Wake those dead people and animals and get them out to the polls early!
My fight to expose and defeat the communist infiltrators in our country will also never end.
LOL. Quick! Start with the one hiding under your bed! You’re funny.
““I voted for Gary Johnson.”
+1 Same here!
I also voted against all incumbents regardless of party.”
Ditto on all.
I was torn between writing in Ron Paul or voting for Johnson, but in the end decided Johnson would get more votes and maybe enough to make TPTB take notice.
I may be a Pollyanna, but I’m good at it.
Well, he has lowered it from 1.8T to 1.2T. Whereas the deficit grew under the Bush admin, starting from zero and reaching 1T in his final year.
http://home.adelphi.edu/sbloch/deficits.html
Watching the Bush deficits swell (after he promised to run surpluses and pay off the debt) was the straw that broke my fiscal camel’s back and made me decide to quit being a Republican.
What did you want USA to do after Saddam Hussein flew those Iraqi jets into World Trade Center? Send W over there on an “Apology Tour” like The One would have done?
Wars cost money. And we had to fight them over there so we wouldn’t have to fight them over here, commie!
Obama - budget cutter…
BAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!
Obama - budget cutter…
BAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!
Believe what you want, but here are the facts:
http://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/2012/06/Federal_Spending_Bush_Vs_Obama.png
Bush’s budget grew 50% from beginning to end. Obama’s has grown at less than the rate of inflation.
One of the reasons I quit being a Republican was the whopping spending increases, along with deficit that grew from zero to one trillion dollars.
Liberal Exceptionalism….Overtaxed people figure out new ways to shelter their income from the government, or they renounce their citizenship.
The article is Rupert Murdoch biased. Maybe someone making 100K is “overtaxed” but someone making a million a year or more is not overtaxed by any historical standard. The rich are experiencing their lowest taxes in almost 80 years. It created a lot of jobs huh?
economic patriotism..(equals) scoundrels last refuge
Bunk. USA was founded on economic patriotism. USA practiced economic patriotism until about 30 years ago. We protected our jobs and middle-class first before we gutted them for the rich.
earned income is overtaxed…investment income is undertaxed.
when i say investment income i do not include interest in that category since it is already taxed a the regualr rate.
Imputed income. The next frontier.
i think that loosening the 401k early withdrawal requirements and related tax rate will come first.
“Imputed income. The next frontier.”
+1 Dat’s me; zero debt.
“And when it comes to the presidency, they think Barack Obama walks on water.”
The WSJ must not know any liberals. I voted for Johnson, but nearly everyone I know voted for Obama. None of them thinks Obama walks on water — not after the drones, the continuing drug war, the continued reliance on the Patriot Act and the weak effort to get single-payer health care. They voted for Obama because they don’t want Romney picking the next Supreme Court justice.
WSJ opinion piece - The Mistake That Is the Libertarian Party:
“To the extent that a third party is successful, it will drain votes from the coalition party to which it is closest and help elect the coalition party that is further removed from its interests. The Libertarian Party’s effort will, if effective, attract more libertarian voters away from the candidate who is marginally less hostile to liberty, and help hand the election to the candidate who is more hostile to liberty.
Fortunately, because this drawback is so obvious, the Libertarian Party’s presidential vote has remained minuscule. (It was about 0.4% in 2008, though it could cost Mitt Romney the electoral votes of New Hampshire this time around). Most libertarian voters resist the party’s call, even when, as this year, it has nominated a good man like Gary Johnson, the former governor of New Mexico.
Some have defended the LP by saying it is an expressive outlet for political libertarians, as distinct from more intellectual or policy types. Here too the LP has been counterproductive. By drawing libertarian politicos from both major parties, the LP makes these parties less libertarian at the margin than they would otherwise be. In each major-party coalition, the libertarian element is weaker precisely to the extent that libertarian politicos are expending their energies on behalf of the LP.
Libertarian activists should choose whichever party they feel more comfortable working within. That’s what Ron Paul did. Likewise, Rand Paul has brought his libertarianism inside the GOP tent. The small-”l” libertarians in the tea party movement identified the Republican Party as the coalition closest to their concerns about fiscal responsibility and the growth of government power, and they have gone about making the GOP more libertarian from the grass-roots up. They have moved the party in a libertarian direction, as has the Republican Liberty Caucus.
Despite all this, some libertarians continue to insist that, because the Republican and Democrats are equally bad for liberty, it makes no difference who gets elected. However true this once was, in recent years Republicans have been better for liberty and Democrats have been worse.”
http://online.wsj DOT com/article/SB10001424052970203922804578080684214526670.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_opinion
“a good man like Gary Johnson, the former governor of New Mexico.”
Damning with faint praise, just like the condescension towards Ron Paul. Eff ‘em. I got a live volunteer call from the Romney campaign yesterday and politely told them I’d be voting for Johnson today. Oh, the hysteria!
It’s my little way of sticking it to American Crosshairs.
That’s great! I voted for Gary Johnson myself, knowing full well my (California) vote didn’t matter one iota anyway.
Jill Stein here, knowing my cali vote was worthless at the presidential level, too!
Sorry SF her polices are so far left the government is always right….its scary….its we are all victims, of the evil corporation.
I would imagine talking to her would be just as scary as Charles Manson.
Of course they are. Johnson’s ideas are unworkable at the federal level, too. I voted for the the candidate that takes votes from the democrats as that’s the only way to send an actual message that I am disaffected. If the republicans would embrace ACTUAL conservatism (equal rights for all, separation of church and state, ACTUAL small and efficient government, real balancing of the budget instead of slashing and burning, etc) instead of the social bigotry they pass off as conservatism, I’d vote for them and the democrats could go take a flying leap. But since the republicans appear to be shifting further and further socially right, instead they get the big middle finger from me.
Actually most here agree…but i would add personal responsibility must be included for all.
Whether its force welfare recipients to sit in class 25 hrs a week and learn English for their EBT card
Or with Sandy you cannot build on the ocean anything more then say a $100K cheap disposable bungalow. Or else YOU take all the financial risk.
No more mortgage relief …except for those very very few who refi’d to save a spouse or their kids life….. start kicking people out yesterday those who haven’t paid the longest and work backwards
Jill is totally against this.. she supports Deadbeats just like ohbewanna
“…anything more then say a…
than?
When people grow tired of Statism, they will eventually open their eyes to a better way. Right now we are trapped in Bicameral Statism, hopefully one day soon we get a real change.
‘…hopefully one day soon we get a real change.’
Are you talking about “Hope and Change We Can Believe In” kind of change?
Nope. The kind of change I’m talking about isn’t present on the 2012 ballot.
I didn’t think so. I was just noting the similarity of your hoped-for change to one candidate’s campaign slogan.
Americans are just so freakin stupid to vote 3rd party Gary Johnson…so Ill be off to waste my vote today….I feel so smart and superior to everyone.
Remember now, “Than is used only in comparisons, so if you’re comparing something use than. If not, then you have to use then. What could be easier than that?”
Your vote In that state means nothing. Deal.
“The Libertarian Party’s effort will, if effective, attract more libertarian voters away from the candidate who is marginally less hostile to liberty, and help hand the election to the candidate who is more hostile to liberty.”
It sounds like Obama is in trouble.
Not according to my neighbors and their “Defend Freedom, Defeat Obama” yard signs.
I saw an even more interesting sign on my way home from the office yesterday. At an intersection in Longmont there was a large group of of pro Romney sign wavers. One was waving an American flag with one hand and a “Denig the White House” sign in the other hand.
Denig the White House
That is exactly what Take America Back means.
“…what Take America Back means.”
Not thinking like a racist, I missed that hidden propaganda message.
Thanks for pointing it out!
Just imagine how many jobs Romney will create by installing duplicate water fountains and bathrooms all across USA!
Romney is white, but I am pretty sure he is not a racist*. In fact, his dad was instrumental in ending legalized discrimination in America.
*Given the propaganda campaign he ran, I actually have no strong impressions about what he believes, other than that he knows his church is true.
he is not a racist
And to prove it he has Binders Full Of Negroes, with binder tabs labeled “house” and “field”.
Just because he has Binders Full of Women doesn’t necessarily mean he has Binders Full of Other Democrat Constituents.
FWIW, I drove the creek road into town yesterday. During the 2008 election, all 57 miles of it was lousy with McCain/Palin signs; printed lawn and billboard sized ones along the road, painted on barns, bumper stickered to range cattle. There must have been fifty ranches with some sort affirmation for the Republican ticket and literally not a one for Obama/Biden. (This is an armed community. Who would dare?)
Yesterday the only signs I saw were the “For Sale” ones. Not a single sign for the 2012 Presidential campaigns of either party along the whole route. My guess is massive ennui and a dearth of “wealthy” land pirates and real estate flippers.
“Denig the White House”
Unbelievable.
…as I was saying yesterday about Repubs freely using the “N” word.
Any more stupid than:
“Hope and Change”
“Yes - We Can”
My favorite:
“Voting is the best revenge”
My favorite: “Voting is the best revenge”
Me too! He was talking about revenge from Fascist Whackjobs.
Oh, that’s what they meant. For a while I thought it was a Tea Party typo for “deny.”
Ick.
Given Mitt’s stance on gays, women, and abortion, I can’t say he supports liberty more than Obama does.
“To the extent that a third party is successful, it will drain votes from the coalition party to which it is closest and help elect the coalition party that is further removed from its interests.”
The assumption being that everyone who votes Johnson would have voted Romney.
Screw that. I voted Johnson, but if you put a gun to my head and forced me to vote one of the two parties I would have voted Obama. I resent this moronic conviction that people are so easy to pigeon hole.
Washington Post - Young workers’ retirement hopes grow bleaker amid economic downturn:
“The economic downturn is pressing more employers to reduce pension benefits and significantly delaying when people launch their careers, darkening the already bleak picture that young workers face in saving for retirement.
Corporations have been slashing pensions for decades, but such cuts are common now in the public sector, where retirement benefits were traditionally much better. In both cases, employers frequently reach for the same tool — preserve benefits for current employees but make severe cuts for new ones.
Blue-chip corporate giants such as IBM and Verizon are among those that have closed their traditional pension plans to new workers in order to limit future liabilities. Meanwhile, public workers in states from Rhode Island to California have seen pension promises scaled back as governments struggle to reduce debt.
As it is, most workers are vastly underprepared for retirement. Although coverage is near universal among the small minority of workers employed in the public sector, just over two in five private-sector workers between ages 25 and 64 are covered by pensions or 401(k)-type retirement plans in their current jobs, according to Boston College’s Center for Retirement Research. On average, workers in their prime working years have a retirement funding gap of $90,000 per household, the center has found.
Adding to the challenge, the recession forced many young workers to launch their careers later, which reduces their earnings — and their ability to save for retirement — in ways many are unlikely to overcome, analysts say.
Even as the labor market slowly improves, the prospects for young workers remain difficult. More than half of recent high school graduates are underemployed, as are nearly one in five recent college graduates, according to the Economic Policy Institute.”
http://www.washingtonpost DOT com/business/economy/young-workers-retirement-hopes-grow-bleaker-amid-economic-downturn/2012/11/05/3ea7ed3c-13c1-11e2-ba83-a7a396e6b2a7_story.html
“OMG! My pension is underfunded. I had better retire now while I still can.”
Believe it or not this is the mentality of some of my co-workers.
Similar to:
“OMG! The equity in my house is vanishing right before my eyes. I had better cash it out before it all disappears.”
I hope they do take early retirement, cut their standard a few notches and spend their free time doing community work. Will your employer replace these people? If so will they hire young people to replace them?
“… cut their standard a few notches …”
Their standard WILL BE CUT a few notches.
“… and spend their free time doing community work.”
More than likely spend their ‘free time’ working at McDonalds for minimum wage.
“Will your employer replace these people?”
My employer has a two-tier wage scale. New employees get close to zilch as compared to us older folks.
A job is a terrible thing to waste.
I ran through this before and maybe I should do this again:
Q. What is a job worth? If working a job nets, say, $50,000 a year, what sort of money would have to be set aside to earn the same amount of money?
If the current returns are in the ten-percent area (after taxes) then a half million dollars will earn $50,000 a year, so it could be looked at a job in this ten-percent era is worth a half-million dollars.
But what if after tax returns are, say, one-percent? What is a $50,000 net job worth then?
Just a way of looking at it - not the only way but nevertheless a way.
Houses were looked at in this way just seven-or-so years ago. A house equaled a $50,000 a year job if $50,000 of equity could be cashed out every year.
Worked until it didn’t.
“Q. What is a job worth? If working a job nets, say, $50,000 a year, what sort of money would have to be set aside to earn the same amount of money?”
Or:
1) you receive a retirement of $50K/yr. If interest rates are at 5% you have a phantom net worth of $1,000,000. If interest rates are 2.5% you have a phantom net worth of $2,500,00 and at 1% you have a phantom net worth of $5,000,000. This is why those defined benefit plans are great for retirement. Add to that a roth or 401K and you are covered for inflation.
“Houses were looked at in this way just seven-or-so years ago. A house equaled a $50,000 a year job if $50,000 of equity could be cashed out every year.”
A friend flipped fixers for a couple of years, a third income.
My employer has a two-tier wage scale. New employees get close to zilch as compared to us older folks.
Are you in the auto industry, combo?
Shouldn’t you logically work longer and save more?
Maybe that is your point.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of ANY public anywhere in the world.
“Maybe that is your point.”
It is my point. Most of my co-workers have dream jobs as compared to jobs they endured in the past. They paid their dues in their early years and now it is time to cash in.
But what they see as “cashing in” is walking away and spending the rest of their days depending on income generated by promises backed by an underfunded pension plan.
“…depending on income generated by promises backed by an underfunded pension plan.”
Sounds like a nonstarter.
Or, they can cash in their pension plan and take the lump sum and live of whatever this lump sum earns - which is close to zilch.
“…take your lump…”
Most non-actuaries probably don’t realize this, but converting a life annuity into a lump sum reduces the expected present value of the pension to the individual in question. The reason is that if you are in a covered group and you happen to live longer than average, you enjoy the benefit of what actuaries refer to as ‘forfeitures,’ a euphemistic description for the part of the pension fund made available to pay you thanks to your fellow annuitants who died before you did. You personally forfeit your share of the forfeitures when you take your lump.
Of course employers are happy for you to take your lump, as they have to pay out less on average for a lump than for a life annuity.
If the pension fund is under-funded, and might go bust in the future, though, then even though “taking your lump(s)” reduces your expected present value, it might increase your _actual_ present value.
“…work longer and save more…”
I’m pretty sure that was his point.
But it’s worth noting how that might backfire. For example, a colleague who has worked past retirement recently developed serious health problems. No one can determine to what extent these are work-related, but one still wonders if an army of stressed-out post-retirement workers might incur a higher rate of work-induced medical issues than if they had taken their gold watches at age 65 and begun touring the country in their Winnebagos.
than if they had taken their gold watches at age 65 and begun touring the country in their Winnebagos.
Assuming they could which is a big assumption.
Liberate that equity!
You mean you have to pay it back? Darn those bankers. They never said a word about that!
“Assuming they could which is a big assumption.”
Agreed. I threw in ‘gold watch’ to reference a bygone era.
That reminds me of the day when it was common for new retirees to whine that they had been “forced” to retire with nothing but a gold watch to show for their loyalty.
What happened to that, anyway?
“Shouldn’t you logically work longer and save more?”
At several of the world largest companies, I’ve personally seen what happens when you work longer and it’s no mystery to me why people take early retirement at the first chance they get.
The longer you work, the more likely you will get fired (no pension), not get any raises (inflation kills your saving) and see your pension plan further and repeatedly reduced. (offsetting any personal savings)
So you take the money and run, now, and look for another job.
Some of my colleagues are doing the same; there is method to their madness though. In the UK existing pensioners get first dibs on the pension pot, future pensioners get whats left if anything (after that it’s over to a state scheme ).
“OMG! The equity in my house is vanishing right before my eyes. I had better cash it out before it all disappears.”
Retiring on a non-fully-funded pension might be a bad idea…
But if you can do a cash-withdrawal/transfer of your pension benefit, then it is more akin to selling the house, rather than borrowing out the equity.
Pensions? Those babies have become as rare as the Dido bird in the non union, private sector. What’s on the endangered species list now is the 401K match.
non union, private sector
You got a problem with “Right To Work” there commie?
Dido?
Dido = founder and first queen of Carthage (see Aeneid)
I think he meant dodo.
I need to proof before hitting “add comment”
We all do. I skip that step all too often.
However, I do enjoy it when the occasional typo turns out to be interesting. Dido is interesting. And the original is just as dead as the dodos (assuming she ever lived at all).
My not-for-profit (allegedly) employer has always made a 100% match up to 4% of income contributed to our 403(b)s. This year, however, they have dropped to a 90% match. Surely this is the beginning of the end.
To add to this, most employers have stopped contributing to their workers’ 401Ks, or make only a token contribution.
So what the 401K has become is a federal tax bribe to let your employer control your savings, and the votes for any stocks you in theory own indirectly. And somewhere in this country, employers are taking kickbacks in the exchange for selecting 401K service providers that charge higher management fees.
Kodak retirees lose health, welfare benefits
- Eastman Kodak won court approval Monday to quit providing health and welfare benefits to 56,000 U.S. retirees and dependents.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2012/11/05/kodak-retirees-lose-benefits/1684135/
Retirement is easy. All you need is a six pack and a pistol.
…and then there’s this.
Bloomberg - Romney Remains a Mystery After Revealing Little on Trail:
“Twenty-four hours before Election Day, the man at the front of the plane remains a mystery.
“I need your vote. I need your work,” Mitt Romney implored enthusiastic supporters from Florida to New Hampshire. “Walk with me. Walk with me together,” he said, while standing perfectly straight, an eye on the teleprompter, staying precisely on script.
Yet, with more than a decade of national exposure, hundreds of thousands of ads and life without private moments, Romney has remained largely inscrutable. To voters, the journalists traveling with him for almost two years and even some of his staff, the Republican nominee has revealed little beyond his campaign-crafted images as a business technocrat and family man. Should he lose his bid for the White House tonight, friends and supporters say, that opacity may be among the reasons.
For much of the campaign, Romney rarely mentioned his membership in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, including the people he helped as a Mormon bishop, fearing it would put an unwanted spotlight on a religion viewed with suspicion by some.
His wealthy upbringing as the son of a former auto company executive and Michigan governor, George Romney, cut against sharing details about his comfortable upbringing with voters struggling in the economic downturn.
And his discomfort with discussing the wealth he accrued at Bain Capital LLC, particularly his refusal to release more than two years of tax returns, gave ammunition to Democratic charges that he was hiding something or playing by a set of rules reserved for society’s elite.
With a trio of issues common in most political stump speeches off-limits, the former private equity executive’s unease on the campaign trail became a larger part of his candidacy’s narrative.
To soften his image, he traded suits for skinny jeans. He posted messages on Twitter about commercial flights on Southwest Airlines and stops at Subway for lunch. And he insisted on spending less time at campaign headquarters in Boston and more time mingling with voters all across primary states.
His campaign scheduled bus tour after bus tour, packed with events like “Pancakes with Mitt” and “Spaghetti with Mitt.” They created all-American backdrops, seeking out specific types of straw after Romney informed his advance team he is allergic to hay.
Campaigning with Romney is like traveling back to the era of Sputnik and soda fountains, with dated expressions and awkward punch-lines, or Mittisms, as aides call them.
In the final sprint, the Romney campaign took on an air of wistful, weary nostalgia.
Cruising through rallies in matching red and blue fleece emblazoned with the Romney logo, senior aides took photos with their phones and joked about singing the campaign’s theme song in their sleep. The candidate’s wife, Ann, walked down the aisle of the campaign plane handing out pastries for reporters and secret service agents.”
http://www.bloomberg DOT com/news/2012-11-06/romney-remains-a-mystery-after-revealing-little-on-trail.html
Now that I think about it, the campaign was sort of food-centric for a while there.
Did anyone get a chance to “Grab a Bite with Ann”?
Yes, it tasted a lot better than the dogmeat The One had at his rally.
He’s going to cancel Christmas if he’s re-elected. I just know it.
Given its commercial nature in the USA, one might conclude that Christmas has been cancelled for a long time in America. Heck, it isn’t even a mandatory paid holiday (unlike in places like Mexico and Brazil). Then again, we don’t have those in the USA. Here all paid holidays are merely “usual and customary”, which is why so many people get none whatsoever.
oh what a horrible, horrible man! too bad I already voted.
“Romney Remains a Mystery After Revealing Little on Trail”
It’s a shame. There really is a great man behind the slick Madison Avenue packaging and Neocon propaganda coaching.
If there is such a great man there, then why would he need the slick packaging and coaching? Let Mitt be Mitt…
“…why would he need the slick packaging and coaching…”
Greatest personal blunder in political history, perhaps?
You do not chose your own clothes when selected to play a major theatrical role.
“need the slick packaging and coaching”
I have often asked the same thing about the communist infiltrators. Let communists be communists.
Put your name on the ballot under the CPUSA and see how many votes you get. Stop the charade.
Yes, but Ann wasn’t running.
LOL… Nice.
There really is a great man behind the slick Madison Avenue packaging and Neocon propaganda coaching.
If that’s true, it was so well hidden as to be inscrutable at least to me.
Jerusalem Post - Obama’s silence on Israel’s plight questioned by Romney:
“For those who watched the third and final Presidential debate one thing was certain, President Obama made a 360 degree turn when asked if he would stand with Israel if she had to go to war with Iran to stop their nuclear proliferation. Until the debate, which focused on foreign policy, Mr. Obama has been silent on standing with Israel, virtually ignoring Iran’s threat to wipe Israel off the face of the planet. When asked by his opponent, Mitt Romney, why he visited virtually every Middle East country but bypassed Israel, Obama regressed all the way back to before taking office and simple stated he had visited Israel and even Sderot, an Israeli town next to Gaza. Romney quickly seized the moment and stated that if Israel is forced into war, as President of the United States he (Mitt Romney) would stand solidly beside Israel. Shortly thereafter Obama followed suit despite being silent for over four years.
President Obama snubbed Prime Minister Netanyahu yet again by refusing to meet with him during his recent visit to the United Nations. In his speech at the UN, Prime Minister Netanyahu virtually accused Obama of going soft on Iran. He said, “Those who refuse to put red lines before Iran have no moral right to place a red line before Israel.” He, of course, was referring to Obama’s demands that Israel hold off on a pre-emptive strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities.
Should Obama be re-elected as President of the United States, Israel’s survival would be significantly in the hands of a man who has shown little appetite for standing with Israel in any military conflict and little empathy for the Jewish state. While Israelis were predominantly pleased when Obama was first elected, his pro-Arab and pro-Muslim attitude and actions since his election have caused his approval ratings in Israeli polls to drop significantly. Talk on the streets is that many Israelis are now hoping that Republican Mitt Romney will be the victor in next month’s all-important election.”
http://blogs.jpost DOT com/content/obamas-silence-israel%E2%80%99s-plight-questioned-romney
Why should we care? Israel has 200+ nukes and maybe the most effective & lethal military in the world. Did you see the story where Abbas took ‘right-of-return’ off the table for future peace talks? That’s a big deal.
“Why should we care”
Because the country is surrounded by some of the most Psychopathic religious ideologues the world has ever produced.
Bottom line.
American Jews vote 80%+ for the democratic ticket.
American Jews are a significant voting block in NY and FL.
We’re going to Take Israel Back too because only then will Jesus return and the Saved get raptured up to Heaven!
Can’t wait! Won’t miss them at all.
Globe and Mail - After a $6-billion campaign bill, it’s time for a price check on democracy:
“Perhaps the best symbol of this election is not the logos of the presidential candidates, nor the Republican elephant or the Democratic donkey. A better emblem would be a very, very large pile of cash.
One of the most closely fought elections in U.S. history is also its most expensive. The final price tag will reach $6-billion (U.S.), eclipsing the 2008 campaign by roughly $700-million, estimates the Center for Responsive Politics, a non-partisan research group.
One big force driving spending higher: the arrival of new outside groups that can accept unlimited donations and spend the funds on political ads, so long as they don’t co-ordinate with a candidate’s campaign. Such groups, which include so-called “super” political action committees and non-profit organizations, are on track to pump close to $1-billion into the election.
Despite their anodyne names – “Restore Our Future,” say, or “Priorities USA Action” – such groups have crystal-clear political goals (the former super PAC is pro-Mitt Romney, and latter is pro-President Barack Obama).
Such outside groups have brought new opacity to campaign finance. “It’s the Russian doll problem,” said Ciara Torres-Spelliscy, a law professor who specializes in campaign finance at Stetson University in Florida. Super PACs must disclose their donors, but if the donor is a non-profit organization, then that group doesn’t have to reveal its sources of funds, and the trail ends there.
In critical swing states and in crucial races, the influx of funds – sometimes from shadowy groups specializing in nasty ads – may make voters stop listening. “You crank up the volume and you crank up the lies and deception,” said Edwin Bender, executive director of the National Institute of Money in State Politics. “People are starting to recognize it.”
http://www.theglobeandmail DOT com/news/world/after-a-6-billion-campaign-bill-its-time-for-a-price-check-on-democracy/article4957587/
If you ask me, Citizens United was one of the greatest stealth Robin Hood stunts ever pulled. All that secret money was spent on making and airing TV, radio, or Internet advertisements. Billions were spent on voice actors, graphic designers, musicians, editors, gaffers, cameramen, TV station staff, web designers, server operators, utility workers to keep the electricity flowing. Wealth transfer from the rich bank accounts to middle class jobs.
[and environmentally friendly too. "Speech" doesn't take up any landfill space.]
$6 billion of trickle-down golden showers for the Media Industrial Complex worker bees pays off with $100’s of billions of trickle-up to the Masters Of The Universe resulting from the laws that benefit them.
Only if they win…
UK Guardian - Lemmy: ‘Mitt Romney is a monster’
Motörhead frontman urges US not to vote for Republican presidential nominee, saying he will repeal abortion laws
“Lemmy has sent an election message to the US, decrying the Republican presidential nominee as a “f*cking monster”. In an interview with Rolling Stone, the Motörhead leader pleaded with Americans: “Please, please don’t vote for Mitt Romney. F*ck him. Repeal abortion law is the first thing he’ll do.”
Lemmy is not famed for his political involvement, frequently denying any ideological motive behind his collection of Nazi memorabilia. However, he was steadfast in his view on the presidential race. He suggested the US had not been ready for an African-American president in the form of Barack Obama, “because they’re trying to drag him down now. I mean, the poor f*cker’s only just gotten rid of all that George Bush sh*t that he left, or is trying to. And he’s being stonewalled by the f*cking Congress all the time. I don’t know how he’s gotten anything done. They should be glad. I mean the alternative is Mitt Romney.”
http://www.guardian DOT co DOT uk/music/2012/nov/06/lemmy-mitt-romney
What a song for today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWs1-2foKoo
I’m terrified, etc.
Yeah, Hawkwind was so much better than Motorhead anyway.
It is sad how socialism brainwashes it young.
1. The is NO law to repeal for abortion. It was a supreme court decision. What unelected judges give they can also take away with a stroke of the pen.
2. The Nazis loved abortion. Great way to get rid of the unwanted people. Blacks have an abortion rate of nearly 40% and more than double that of whites. Hmmmm…
3. Obama had a huge majority in the house and a filibuster proof senate. What did he get accomplished?
4. The abortion laws in Germany today are much more strict than in America. Are all the politicians in Germany monsters?
It’s sad how your many propaganda posts have failed miserably to brainwash anybody.
He tries so hard, too.
and a filibuster proof senate.
Newsflash:
Obama only had a “filibuster proof Senate” for abut 4 months an he didn’t really have it because there are some conservative Dems and dirt-bag Leiberman who would have bucked him. (unlike the march in goose-step Repubs)
And it was very early in his (1st) term and politically speaking, you don’t bust filibusters as your first act as President of the United States of America.
You keep trying to spin it.
Obama and the democrats had total power and total control. They could have passed ANYTHING they wanted. What did we get for an addition $7 Trillion in debt in just FOUR years?
Are you happy with what they accomplished?
Bush and Republicans have NEVER had that kind of power. Yet you and the democrats blame them for all of obama’s troubles.
Kinda faulty logic - don’t ya think?
Obama and the democrats had total power and total control. They could have passed ANYTHING they wanted.
False.
In the 72 days Obama had “60″ votes in the Senate there is NO WAY he could have passed anything he wanted and why would he have wanted to?
It’s the President’s job to work with BOTH parties especially that early in his first term. And you guys are hypocrites. You bash Obama for passing Obamacare on party lines but now say Obama should have done something with his 60 votes (that he never had) on party lines in the Senate. Hypocrites.
And another reason you’re hypocrites is you say Obama could have “done anything he wanted” on the economy but then say you are “free-market” guys and the the “free-hand” should be left to take care of the economy. Hypocrites.
The Myth of the Filibuster-Proof Democratic Senate
http://sandiegofreepress.org/2012/09/the-myth-of-the-filibuster-proof-democratic-senate/
“Even in this window Obama’s ‘control’ of the Senate was incomplete and highly adulterated due to the balkiness of the so-called Blue Dog conservative and moderate Democratic Senators such as Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Evan Bayh of Indiana, and Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas.”
Zorn continues:
The claim that Obama ruled like a monarch over Congress for two years — endlessly intoned as a talking point by Republicans — is more than just a misremembering of recent history or excited overstatement. It’s a lie.
It’s meant to represent that Obama’s had his chance to try out his ideas, and to obscure and deny the relentless GOP obstructionism and Democratic factionalism he’s encountered since Day One.
They seem to figure if they repeat this often enough, you’ll believe it.
Seventy-two days. That’s it. That’s the entirety of absolute Democratic control of the United States Senate in 2009 and 2010. And yet Republicans want America to believe that Obama and the Democrats ruled with a tyrannical zeal to pass every piece of frivolous legislation they could conjure up. They think that the voters are dumb enough to believe it.
Regardless of whether he had an official “filibuster proof” senate, he sure did find a way to push his healthcare legislation through over the screaming objections of the GOP.
he sure did find a way to push his healthcare legislation through over the screaming objections of the GOP.
But look at the timeline. It was well AFTER he had tried to work with the Repubs on health-care. He tried for almost 2 years to work with Repubs and until the last minute, at least a couple Repubs acted like they would work with him. Olympia Snowe pulled out at the last minute.
I think the Repubs snookered him intentionally thinking that that way could kill the bill, and it almost did. But Nancy Pelosi totally punked the Repub’s obstruction. Because the Repubs bailed after faking co-operation for almost 2 years, Pelosi/Obama said ScrewU and passed ObamaCare through Budget Resolution. (Talk about a political pimp-slap) The Repubs never saw that one coming.
Should it have been passed that way after the Repub’s duplicity and obstruction? He!! yes, America needed action and need action 20 years ago.
Would it have been a better bill and better for America if the Repubs would have worked in good-faith with the Dems on Obamacare? Of course it would have been way better IMO. But the Repubs totally screwed it up and ALL for politics. The Repubs care much more about politics than the American people. And the Repubs hate Obama enough to screw up the country because of their hate.
The logic of socialists and tyrants.
I TRIED to work with them. I really did. But then I just gave up and rammed it down their throats because I COULD.
Hope and Change!
But look at the timeline. It was well AFTER he had tried to work with the Repubs on health-care. He tried for almost 2 years to work with Repubs.
The logic of FACTS JACK.
Rio,
Same thing happened with the stimulus bill.
Obama asked for ideas from the Republicans…they gave ideas. He included none of them, opting for other tax cuts that he thought they would like.
He got no support from House Republicans.
The tone set early on was one of bipartisanship…the actions were not. I blame Rahm and the “f ‘em, we’ve got the votes” attitude.
…they gave ideas. He included none of them, opting for other tax cuts that he thought they would like.
Calling what you just described “not working” with Republicans makes zero sense in the context of politics.
It’s actually called politics.
Really? It’s actually called hypocrisy.
Remember this quote:
“No party has a monopoly on wisdom. No democracy works without compromise.”
Asking for the other side’s ideas, and then pushing through the legislation without including or discussing those ideas is a waste of time, and bipartisan window dressing, no less.
Your quote:
“But look at the timeline. It was well AFTER he had tried to work with the Repubs on health-care. He tried for almost 2 years to work with Repubs and until the last minute, at least a couple Repubs acted like they would work with him. Olympia Snowe pulled out at the last minute.”
So what is your idea of “working with Republicans”?
Asking for their ideas only to crap all over them, and then claim that they are the “party of no”?
Darn those facts…
+ 1
Several states have laws outlawing abortion that would be invoked if Roe vs. Wade is over turned.
Clearly this guy doesn’t understand how abortion works in the USA. Even if Roe vs. Wade was overturned, most blue states would keep it legal. And there’s no way a federal law would get past the senate, should Roe vs. Wade be overturned.
Exactly - yet every democrat TV commercial I see says that Romney and the Republicans want to ban abortion and ban birth control.
Well, that is what the Republicans campaign on.
well even if they don’t, like Romney, it will all be ascribed to them anyway.
We’re re-claiming paternal rights for Legitimate Rapists with this election!
Exactly - yet every democrat TV commercial I see says that Romney and the Republicans want to ban abortion and ban birth control.
I agree, it’s a fear tactic. Of course, if the GOP were to “landslide” as you have repeatedly predicted and achieve super majorities in the house and senate then the GOP could stack the supremes with justices who would overturn R Vs. W and pass federal legislation banning abortion. But that isn’t going to happen.
And there is enough support for abortion rights (something like 75% of the population generally) that the overturn of Roe v. Wade would likely lead to a constitutional amendment…allowing us to stop the stupid debate once and for all.
As the father of two daughters, the only reason something like that is somewhat less than abhorrent is because I live in CA (where they would never outlaw abortion).
It’s not about abortion rights so much as it is a fundamental statement of political philosophy. To wit: Does a woman’s body belong to her or to the State?
Ironic, isn’t it, how many John Galtian and “Don’t Tread On Me” types support State ownership of the human body?
If the State can’t draft men to kill for it, why should it be able to compel woman to breed for it?
Ironic, isn’t it, how many John Galtian and “Don’t Tread On Me” types support State ownership of the human body?
You know that’s not the angle from which they really see it, Allena. Instead, they view the fetus as a human body also deserving of equal protection under the law.
From your view-point, seen through your lens, their actions may look like what you describe. But I’m sure you actually understand the difference between the two points-of-view.
“They” outlawed abortion in CA. up until 1967 or so. “They” also outlawed birth control for unmarried CA. women until then.
Don’t think “they” can’t do it again.
The religious right wants to ban abortions. Period. A policy that the boot lickers in the Republican Party have no qualms about implementing.
Of course it can’t be rape, if the woman got pregnant. All women have these “magic collander vaginas” that can sort out rape sperm from legal sperm.
Just wait until rapists start suing “God’s Will” mothers for “visitation rights” to their children. I’m sure that the Republitards will support that too. Wouldn’t want to deny the kids their “right” to visit daddy.
Manufacturing output rose by 0.1pc in September on the month after a downwardly revised drop of 1.2pc in August, the Office for National Statistics said. Economists had predicted a monthly 0.3pc rise.
The wider reading of industrial output, which includes energy production and mining, fell by 1.7pc in September after a 0.5pc drop in August.
Excluding a decline in June that was affected by an extra public holiday, the monthly reading was the lowest since August 2009 and below forecasts for a 0.6pc drop on the month.
Samuel Tombs at Capital Economics said the industrial production figures suggest that “the economic recovery is quickly losing momentum again”.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/9657829/Sharp-fall-in-industrial-output-denting-recovery-hopes.html
Well that was a short lived recovery; back into recession I fear.
Has anyone watched the documentry “Paradise or Oblivion” and think today’s materialism and debt could really be replaced knowing human nature?
I’ll see if I can find time to watch it. Right now my instinct tells me no because our technology has distorted the normal checks and balances inbred in our DNA. On the other hand if medical science can reprogram our genes to eliminate some of our more negative traits such as addiction to sugars, opiates and adrenalin we might bend the curve.
I haven’t seen the documentary, but when you think about how quickly the PRC has gone from hard core Maoist communism to the weird hybrid system they have today and how it happened in just a few decades, it just goes to show that greed is hard wired in us.
Denial is also hard wired into our psyches. I find it amusing that they still have portraits of Mao hanging in public places in China, as their current system is anathema to what he believed in.
Along the same lines I have been listening to the archived podcasts from the Longnow Foundation which has really change my long term POV on society, culture and technology and the environment. Most sessions are just over an hour long and include a Q&A.
http://longnow.org/
There is a really good chance Obamney is going to do well today.
C’mon LP….. let’s hear it. I start it for you.
The market is booming,
As I told the boss yesterday, either way it’s going to be miserable after the election, but at least we’ll know which brand of misery we’re going to have.
We are going to have the same brand of misery either way. Only the garnishments are undecided.
Today is election day. Perform your civic duty.
Get yourself to the polling place and cast your ballot.
New York Times - The Permanent Militarization of America:
“In 1961, President Dwight D. Eisenhower left office warning of the growing power of the military industrial complex in American life.
In his farewell address, Eisenhower called for a better equilibrium between military and domestic affairs in our economy, politics, and culture. He worried that the defense industry’s search for profits would warp foreign policy and, conversely, that too much state control of the private sector would cause economic stagnation.
Today, there are just a select few in public life who are willing to question the military or its spending, and those who do so — from the libertarian Ron Paul to the leftist Dennis J. Kucinich — are dismissed as unrealistic.”
Our dream ticket for this election. Sadly both are leaving Congress this year.
Enjoy four more years of:
Drone strikes in Pakistan
Drone strikes in Yemen
Drone strikes in Somalia
Bases in 150+ countries
Guantanamo Bay
The “Kill List”
War in Iran
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/11/05/opinion/the-permanent-militarization-of-america.xml
The real winners in today’s voting, regardless of the outcome:
- Military Industrial Complex
- Real Estate Industrial Complex
- Wall Street
Others?
Upper education?
Don’t forget the black sites. Places where people, including Americans are held without civil rights. These are all over the world including out at sea. Indefinite detention until hostilities have ended, come get some!
It took over an hour to vote this morning. It has never taken more than about 10 minutes at this polling place before. They had a lot of machines set up. Sigh. I miss the mechanical machines we had in New York and New Jersey. Toggling the switches and then casting your ballot by pushing the handle with a very satisfying thunk. The touch screens are not the same.
“touch screens”
How can they ensure against fraud with electronic voting systems?
They can’t. Or they could if the machines created a paper record and they counted the paper records instead, but that sort of gets rid of the reason for the machine in the first place.
At one polling place, don’t remember which, it was touch screen. But the machine printed out a little ballot receipt which you could see through a window in little box on the side. (you couldn’t touch the receipt) When you cast your vote, the receipt dropped into a larger box. Presumably, they would only crack open the box of receipts during a recount. I really liked that idea.
Today it was all touchscreen.
My polling place had a paper record of the electronic ballot which scrolled through for review before I finalized my ballot.
But I agree with Polly. The old voting machines where you voted by flipping levers and then pulled the BIG lever to record your votes, those were the best. AND you got to close a curtain behind you to vote in private.
Plus there was a party called “Los Politicos Son Corruptos.” They had it in English too, but it read better in Spanish.
Cell phone spam phone call report from the “battleground” state of WI. I use google voice on my cell phone, all anonymous calls get dumped direct into voicemail never even ring my phone. Google voice makes hilarious speech to text transcripts of voicemails. So I have a record for yesterday which I cut and paste below… 7 voicemail spams in one day from R, ZERO voicemail spams from D. Somebody’s getting very, very desperate!
13174895700 11/5/12 10:25 AM
“This is MIT. Romney calling to remind you, The tomorrow is election day.”
(thanks mittens, please remember to firmly attach your dog cage to the roof of your car when you drive to the polls)
Unknown 11/5/12 11:25 AM
“Hello, I’m calling on behalf of the U. S. Chamber of Commerce … Tommy Thompson for U. S. Senate.”
(really? Who are these crooks?)
Unknown 11/5/12 2:41 PM
“Wisconsin can’t afford 4 more years… this call was paid for by the Republican National Committee”
(LOL I thought they were talking about 4 more years of Paul Ryan until I figured out it was a “R” ad.)
Unknown 11/5/12 3:15 PM
“I believe MIT. Romney can continue my father’s legacy and make America great.”
(OK 1%er crook, I’ll be a good little quisling and sacrifice my country for you, LOL)
+17016719050 11/5/12 3:48 PM
“So please be sure to vote for Tommy Thompson”
(Something to be said for brevity)
+16082578029 11/5/12 5:21 PM
“This call has been paid for by the Republican Party of Wisconsin.”
Unknown 11/5/12 8:04 PM
“This is State Senator Glenn broken reminding you to hold for Tommy Thompson.”
(Who the hell is this?)
+12028005534 11/5/12 8:09 PM
No Google Voice transcript available
These republican crooks (but I repeat myself..) are costing me money by calling my cellphone over and over. Needless to say I’m not voting for Gordon Geckko errr I mean Rmoney.
Looking forward to casting my vote for Gary Johnson in a bit less than 12 hours (long day at work)
One interesting observation I’ve overheard at work from the hard core Ds is for over 4 years we’ve all heard how Obama is a kenyan marxist gun grabber who is going to deploy UN troops on american soil and cancel Christmas and replace it with kwanza. And they pretty much ignore it, as adults should when teased by children. Until today, and now I’m hearing all about how all criticism of the big O is invalid because we’ve all heard for more than 4 years how he’s gonna grab our guns… umm… next week… yeah this time for real, and its always been a lie, so any criticism of the big “O” is also probably a lie.
True, I don’t like kenyan marxist gun grabbing un troop deploying christmas cancelling crooks, but 4+ years of crying wolf show that has nothing to do with big “O” so maybe he’s not so bad after all. I’m still voting for Johnson, but at least I don’t have to worry about the result of “O” winning. I highly doubt he’s going to deploy UN troops to guard the Waupun grain elevator, or change the state farm crop of iowa from corn to collard greens or whatever other B.S. the R party hacks have been saying.
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2012-11-02 05:29:02
I have said that I thought there was a massive shadow inventory in the North East, including Long Island where my first DBLL went back and bought in 2006. If I happened to be correct who if anyone would pay to rebuild a house that got major damage from Sandy on a house that had not had a mortgage payment made for years?
Would the bank or servicer or whoever have kept federal flood insurance on these properties and if so do they use it and let the non paying homeowner move back in after the house is repaired?
Do they get sued for not having clear title and not keeping flood insurance? Do the victims live in moldy houses?
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This is amazing: An entire article in The Economist without one mention that central banks might have been pushing on a string for several years by now. Rather than noting the destructive effect of chronically low interest rates to stimulate malinvestment, including dead cash on corporate balance sheets, the writer suggests that artificially suppressed (below market) interest rates should provide a beneficial effect, through “reduced borrowing costs.”
Corporate savings
Dead money
Cash has been piling up on companies’ balance-sheets since before the crisis
Nov 3rd 2012 | WASHINGTON, DC | from the print edition
MONETARY stimulus gets you only so far. In America, third-quarter profits and revenues for companies in the S&P 500 index appear to have fallen year on year for the first time since 2009, according to Thomson Reuters. Profits for roughly half the firms in the European Stoxx 600 have fallen short of expectations so far.
Companies in search of a culprit may want to glance in the mirror. Firms are trimming their budgets for everything from technology-consulting services to semiconductor equipment in the face of what Sir Martin Sorrell of WPP, a British advertising and marketing giant, calls four “grey swans” (unlike black swans, people know about grey ones). The four worries unnerving business are: the euro-zone crisis; upheaval in the Middle East; a possible recession in China; and America’s economic health and “fiscal cliff”—the combination of tax increases and spending cuts scheduled to occur at the end of this year.
This is not a new problem. Investment has steadily risen since the recession ended, but not as vigorously as profits. In America, for example, nominal capital expenditure this year (on an annualised basis) has risen by 6% compared with 2007; internal cash flow is up by 32%. Companies have been net suppliers, instead of users, of funds to the rest of the economy since 2008. Firms in the S&P 500 held roughly $900 billion of cash at the end of June, according to Thomson Reuters, down a bit from a year earlier but still 40% up on 2008.
Business leaders and conservative critics cite that cash mountain as proof that meddlesome federal regulations and America’s high corporate-tax rate is locking up cash and depressing investment. But that cannot explain why the same phenomenon prevails worldwide. Japanese companies’ liquid assets have soared by around 75% since 2007, to $2.8 trillion, according to ISI Group, a broker. Cash stockpiles have continued to grow in Britain and Canada, too, to the immense frustration of policymakers there. “Dead money” is how Mark Carney, the Bank of Canada’s governor, has described the nearly $300 billion in cash Canadian companies now hold, 25% more than in 2008. Mr Carney admonished them to “put money to work and if they can’t think of what to do with it, they should give it back to their shareholders.”
No single factor seems to explain companies’ high savings. The Bank of England notes that natural-resource companies account for a disproportionate share of the cash build-up. That may reflect the boom in commodities prices and the paucity of promising new sources of supply.
Low interest rates have reduced borrowing costs, adding roughly a percentage point to American profit margins, according to BCA Research. (Yet rock-bottom interest rates also make it less attractive to hold cash.) The financial crisis has made firms more skittish about relying on banks or securities markets for funds. Since questions were raised in 2008 about the ability of General Electric’s finance arm to fund itself, the company has been stockpiling cash: $85 billion at the end of the third quarter, the most in the S&P 500.
A rapid reversal is unlikely. That’s because rising corporate saving has deeper roots than the crisis, the commodities boom or this interest-rate cycle. In a recent study Loukas Karabarbounis and Brent Neiman at the University of Chicago found that across 51 countries they examined between 1975 and 2007, companies’ share of private saving rose in aggregate by 20 percentage points. In countries where corporate saving rose, labour’s share of GDP in the corporate sector shrank, by five percentage points in aggregate.
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I can appreciate that ZIRP plus inflation is supposed to be an impetus to get people and corporations to spend, in the belief that “Might as well burn the cash now because it’s eroding away.”
As far as investment returns go, corporations build out for the purposes of meeting future demand. If no increased future demand is on the horizon, they’re not going to spend the money to build out. Spending money gets rid of all of it. Sitting on it as it erodes at least limits your losses.
For individuals, it will probably take a much higher level of inflation/wealth erosion to start spending in order to get into the mindset of “It’s better to have something tangible now because the money is going to be worth significantly less tomorrow.” My wild guess is they’d need at least 10-15% inflation sustained to get the population in this mindset. However, all of that unused cash out there - the lighter fluid they’ve poured on the coals - would cause a conflagration they couldn’t control in that scenario.
Artificially induced spending is what leads to malinvestment in period 1.
In period 2, the malinvestment (i.e. investment in long term capital to a level beyond what is useful) which occurred in period 1 makes further investment less attractive than putting money under the mattress. Negative returns are intrinsically inferior to zero return.
Corporations are also supposed to re-invest in R&D and finding better ways to PHYSICALLY become more efficient. This too, stimulates economic expansion.
But usually, they don’t re-invest unless they absolutely have too, even then it’s not guaranteed.
I’ve seen far too many companies shoot themselves in the back because they refused to advance.
I don’t care if the Mayans called it, I want this guy at my TEOTWAWKI party:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey7eWt0WjRM&feature=fvwbrel
I read this interesting article on what Brazilians think of this election and American politics.
Brazilians stay hostile to Republican foreign policy
http://www.browndailyherald.com/brazilians-stay-hostile-to-republican-foreign-policy-1.2788644
RIO DE JANEIRO — …….on the streets of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil’s second-largest city, there is just one option…..“It’s Obama. The other side is the dark side of the moon,” ….“Even (conservatives in Brazil) think the conservatives in the U.S. are very old-fashioned — even the oligarchy,” he added….
…Araujo declared herself “100 percent pro-Obama,” adding that the current president has changed how Brazilians view the United States.
The president certainly has a much higher rate of name recognition than his opponent. Brazilians generally talk about “Obama or the other guy,” as Arakillian described Romney..
….“In the U.S., it’s mostly the conservative thinking and the center,” Arakillian said. “There’s no left.” He said Brazilians were surprised the Occupy Wall Street movement’s idea of uniting the workers against the extremely wealthy was perceived as radical in the United States.
….Romney calls the territory affected by his trade plan the “Reagan Economic Zone.” From a foreign policy perspective, this reference to President Ronald Reagan may be dangerous,…..In Latin America, “many, including several of today’s presidents, associate (Reagan’s) tenure with torture, disappearances, murder and other human rights violations,”…..
There are political prisoners still in jail in Communist Cuba. Nobody cares.
Brazil is booming precisely because they dumped their socialist control of the economy
And you say they hate America because of a President who left office over 20 years ago?
Yet the current Brazilian prez and her predecessor are bona fide socialists.
And China is STILL run by the communist party.
Yet they are more capitalist than we are.
And booming. Just like Brazil.
That doesn’t change the fact that Brazil has strong socialist policies: National Health, gov’t subsidized higher ed, etc.
As for China, they have transitioned from Communist to Fascist. I wouldn’t use them as a role model. Nazi Germany’s pre war economy also kicked butt, howeverI would never want to emulate them either.
Brazil is booming precisely because they dumped their socialist control of the economy
Know your history. Brazil was a fascist, right-wing dictatorship from 1964-1985. During that period, the country stagnated and bad things happened to “socialists”. Brazil’s current President was tortured and imprisoned by the Junta.
From 1985 Brazil stumbled along, privatized as well as instituted social programs for the people. (Universal Healthcare in 1988)
Brazil’s current success is a combination of capitalism and programs for the people. You see, life and economics are not black and white, all-or-nothing deals. Life is not a bumper-sticker.
Since 2002, both elected presidents and a plurality in the Congress have come from the PT (The Workers Party, who you would foam-at-the-mouth and call Socialists). In the past 15 years, 20% of Brazilians have left poverty and joined the lower-middle-class. And the country is doing pretty well.
About President Lula (Workers Party) who left office in 2010:
He is often regarded as the most popular politician in the history of Brazil and, at the time of his mandate, one of the most popular in the world.[4][5][6] Social programs like Bolsa Família and Fome Zero are hallmarks of his time in office. Lula played a prominent role in recent international relations developments, including the Nuclear program of Iran and global warming, and was described as “a man with audacious ambitions to alter the balance of power among nations.”[7] He was featured in Time’s The 100 Most Influential People in the World for 2010,[8] and has been called “the most successful politician of his time.”[9 wiki
“Know your history.”
This is cabana boy we’re talking about here. History? Only effete, limp wristed “loosers” study history.
torture, disappearances, murder
That’s “Taking America Back”, as interpreted through the Monroe Doctrine. Commie!
Say that it’s our “Manifest Destiny”. It sounds better and some might say it even sounds noble.
Here comes the broken window fallacy — AGAIN!
Let’s see how well the New York City economy does without any federal money to help them rebuild before we get too excited about the beneficial effects of hurricanes on local economies.
I always thought that NYC derived most of its funding from tourism. Seems to me that this will be the winter of their discontent. Cold, rain, reconstruction without funds, low tourism, delays, congested restricted travel, disease, etc.
No.
Taxation via finance AND media actually. Double taxation if you understand that most medical salaries come from the first two anyway.
Tourism is a good chunk too but nowhere near the top.
“Taxation via finance AND media actually.”
Great point! Perfectly obvious, once somebody points it out…
Got Broken Window Economics?
Nov. 6, 2012, 8:01 a.m. EST
Sandy has economic silver lining
Commentary: Rebuilding to offset financial hit and then some
By Irwin Kellner, MarketWatch
PORT WASHINGTON, N.Y. (MarketWatch) — First Sandy will be a drag on economic activity, but later it will provide a major lift.
Besides the widespread misery Sandy left in its wake as it barreled up the East Coast of the U.S., knocking out power to more than 8 million homes and businesses, the drag from the superstorm is, of course, its cost.
According to several risk-modeling firms, the United States is facing damages amounting to as much as $50 billion.
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The Dow Jones Industrial Average is up. Is the market pricing in a Democrat victory?
No they are happy about the turn out for Romney.
Your tears tomorrow will be exquisite. Then will come the conspiracy explanation.
I predict AQDan will not post tomorrow in the event of an Obama win.
Why would I not post. What I have said is Rasmussen would get the election right. He said just before today that the race was too close to call. I agree with that assessment. What I disagreed with were polls that were trying to say it would be an easy Obama win and I still disagree with that and everything I am seeing today confirms that.
I will enjoy the taste of his bitter, disappointed tears……
(Rasmussen) said just before today that the race was too close to call.
I’m shocked.
A few peeps told u that would happen. Maybe because Rasmussen was skewing for Romney and now wants to cover his a$$.
Sorry Rio, the polls have moved in the direction of Rasmussen not the other way. It is the other polls that have been covering their a$$s since they had this election rapped up months ago.
Sorry Rio, the polls have moved in the direction of Rasmussen not the other way.
Sorry?. Peeps told you when Rasmussen had Obama farther ahead that Rassmussen would tighten it up right about now to cover his a$$.
They said it, you denied it, but it happened. They were right.
Rasmussin is predicting that Obama will carry Washington DC.
Albq Dan,
Yes, they are happy that the turn out for Romney is going to go so well.
And tomorrow we’ll get to hear about all the progressives that are leaving the country because they won’t be able to get free birth control pills.
But I want progressives to get free birth control. I would prefer sterilization but I will settle for birth control.
From what I am hearing turn out is up all over the country which is contrary to many pundits predictions. No way Obama’s supporters are as motivated as last time.
Early voting was down and that was pushed by Obama. Putting two and two together, it looks like Romney voters are coming out in force just like he needed.
LOL, I know what you mean.
I am hearing here in AZ that the voting lines are long. One lady had to wait 90 min to vote.
Which is what I/we expected, a massive turnout for Romney and a tepid turnout for Obama.
Question, hence forth, will the “Bradley Effect” now be called the “Obama Effect”?
I don’t know but it is a real possibility but I really do think this is about policy not race. BTW, if I am wrong about it being a close race, I know it will be because you are right and it is a much more decisive Romney victory.
This does have the feel, so far, of a R+6, turnout.
I think so as well. If John Kerry had done the same job as Obama, we would be just as anxious to show them the door.
Visually Obama is an attractive candidate. Heck he’s even a White Sox fan, which makes me like him. But his policies? Why would you want to rely on government for anything.
Wonder how the people in NJ and NY feel about government today? The states, the cities and FEMA have been totally inept in their ability to foresee what would be needed when Sandra hit the shores.
FEMA had a whole week to stockpile gasoline and water and they have very little of either? Seems like having a standing FEMA is like having a large standing army in a time of true peace (not just the absence of war), a waste of resources and a threat to the Republic.
From MSN a few minutes ago:
A survey of voters as they leave polling places Tuesday shows 6 in 10 voters say the economy is the top issue facing the nation, with unemployment and rising prices hitting voters hard, according to an exit poll conducted for the Associated Press.
About 4 in 10 say they think the nation’s economy is on the mend, but more say that things are getting worse.
Republicans are getting the election decided on the issue they want. Interestingly, MSN will not reveal just how many voters are actually saying that the economy is getting worse. They would logically be Romney voters. Even people that say it is the same would be more likely to vote for Romney than Obama.
Last pargraph is mine.
Where would you stockpile gasoline in Manhattan?????
Nice call, Dan! You really had this election SUSSED!
Out of curiosity - why is it only democrats who feel they have the right to do this?
Black Panthers Intimidating the Vote in Philadelphia
Pundit Press | 11/6/12 | Aurelius
The Black Panthers are at it again. Video and pictures have emerged already showing that the racist group are intimidating voters in front of a polling location in Pennsylvania and possibly other locations.
This picture was taken earlier today showing a member of the Black Panther party staring down people going in to vote:
HA! Those Black Panthers should be picking cotton on Paul Ryan’s plantation.
“HA! Those Black Panthers should be picking cotton on Paul Ryan’s plantation.”
So let me get this straight, last time they told Peggy Joseph she wouldn`t have to pay for anything if Obama was elected and this time they are telling her if Obama does not win she “we’ll be going back to the crop fields”?
I guess I would vote for Obama too.
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4 days ago … 9 Year Old Brandon Says; “If Obama Doesn’t Win We Will Go Back To … ” Because if Mitt Romney win, we’ll be going back to the crop fields,” …
That’s right.
Hey did you hear? Romney is going to make Christmas a national holiday if he’s elected!
How will folks who celebrate Kwanzaa feel about that?
Look….. all I heard on the teevee today was that Obama was going to cancel Christmas if he’s re-(s)elected!
That’s right. Cancel Christmas and declare National Dog Meat Day on Marx’s birthday.
(Black Panthers) are intimidating voters in front of a polling location in Pennsylvania
One polling stations? Maybe a few? Give me a break. The Dems got nothing on the GOP when it comes to threatening Democracy.
GOP’s push to suppress vote threatens democracy
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/04/opinion/hogue-voter-suppression/index.html
This election year is the culmination of years of Republican efforts to foment confusion and fear to keep certain Americans from voting. That is a subplot of this election, but one that will have massive consequences. In close and bitterly fought elections, there’s far more at stake than who occupies the White House: Americans’ belief in the integrity of our democracy hangs in the balance.
These efforts are pernicious, pervasive and professionalized. In a recent New Yorker article, Jane Mayer profiled Hans von Spakowsky, a legal fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation who has been hyping the myth of voter impersonation fraud since 1998, despite mountains of evidence refuting his claim. (The Brennan Center for Justice has concluded that many more people are struck by lightning than commit in-person voter fraud.) Rep. John Lewis — a civil rights hero who bled to get all Americans the right to vote — describes von Spakowsky as waking up every morning thinking “What can I do today to make it more difficult for people to vote?”
Because of these challenges, thousands of Americans who have voted reliably in the same place every year have had to attend formal hearings to defend their registrations or be disqualified from voting. The group has been so aggressive and so inaccurate in its work that Rep. Elijah Cummings has said it could “amount to a criminal conspiracy to deny legitimate voters their constitutional rights.”
When I see the KKK outside polling station (oops - wait, they are democrats)
OK - when I see Nazis outside polling stations (oops - wait, they are socialists)
Well, anyways, you get the idea.
Your conspiracy theories - yeah.
The dead still vote in Chicago and Philadelphia still has 100%+ voter turn-out in many districts.
Funny how ALL that voter fraud always happens in heavily democratic districts. Just a coincidence…
Just close your eyes and go back to your conspiracies…
Funny how ALL that voter fraud always happens in heavily democratic districts.
Except the biggest voter fraud in our lifetimes was perpetuated in the Republican led state of Florida in 2000 - and perpetuated by Republicans in Florida and on the SCOTUS. That’s a bit higher level than a mean looking black dude staring at you. No?
KKK’s today are Repubs, not Dems and Nazi’s were Fascists, not “socialists”.
Dude, you are making the right-wing look like angry ignoramuses.
Is that what you want to do 2banana? Make the right-wing look like angry ignoramuses?
Do you think it’s good for the Republican party to make the right-wing look like angry ignoramuses?
Like I said yesterday, 2banana just glows with negative empathy. Sort of like a black hole for any thing with a tinge of being progressive or egalitarian.
Did Gore ever win any of the counts or recounts?
@Bluestar - so true about cabana boy. The funny thing is, I see no conceivable way that banana is really doing that well in life. Most of the people I know who run around foaming at the mouth like him have fairly empty and sad lives.
When I see the KKK outside polling station (oops - wait, they are democrats)
So that guy I saw yesterday waving a sign that read “Denig the White House” was really a Democrat. I never would have guessed that.
*SNERK*
I can’t wait until tomorrow, when your propaganda campaign will end.
I’m just wondering if cabana boy will publicly eat crow if his oft predicted “landslide” doesn’t happen. I have noticed that he hasn’t been predicting that as of late.
He’ll still be here hammering away at the 0.1% of the workforce that belong to public labor unions.
“The Dems got nothing on the GOP when it comes to threatening Democracy.”
Exactly. Remember how they wouldn’t even give Ron Paul a chance to speak at their convention, for example?
We all know that emulating Chinese Fascism is the only way to get America back on track.
Yeah those Black Panthers are pusses.
Don’t mess with Texas!
International Election Observers Could Face Arrest
Monitoring a Broken System
by DAVE LINDORFF
Tuesday’s national election in the US is shaping up to be a bruising affair, with both parties hiring armies of lawyers to fight over likely contentious battles over voter access to polling stations, dealing with long lines that could prevent people from voting after polls officially close, the counting of votes cast, and now, the right of international inspectors from the respected Organization of Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) to monitor the process.
The OSCE, a 56-member international organization (including the U.S.) which routinely sends observers to monitor and oversee elections in countries around the world, has been monitoring US elections since the highly controversial presidential election of 2000, which ended up having the presidential race decided by a split 5-4 decision of the U.S. Supreme Court. (The OECD was invited to start monitoring US elections in 2004 by none other than President George W. Bush, who was handed the presidency in 2000 by the Supreme Court.) Until this year, its monitors have had no problems doing their job, but this year hard-right officials in at least two states — Texas and Iowa — have threatened to have the international observers arrested and criminally charged if they attempt to monitor any polling places in those two states. Other states may join them.
“The OSCE’s representatives are not authorized by state law to enter a polling place,” said Texas Attorney General Greg Abott, an activist in the right-wing Tea Party movement who is in his first term as the state’s top law enforcement officer. “It may be a criminal offense for OSCE representatives to maintain a presence within 100 feet of a polling place’s entrance. Failure to comply with these requirements could subject the OSCE’s representatives to criminal prosecution.”
Tell those cheese eating surrender monkeys to go back to Old Europe!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Europe_(politics)
Don’t Black Panthers normally vote Republican?
Let’s all take a personal inventory/audit of our current economic situation so we can see how the winner of today’s election changes our personal economic metrics 4 years from now.
Things to include:
Wages, Taxes(and fees), Investments, cost of risk(Health & Property insurance), local property values or equivalent rent,… You can include stuff like changes to federal laws that ether restrict or improve your political/economic power, try not to let your ideology taint your assessment. Just be sure the issue is personally relevant to your personal situation.
What to exclude:
Catastrophic natural events, Wars we didn’t start, collapse of Europe/
China/etc., generally stuff that happens out side the US that drags down the whole world’s economic health be it political or economic.
Regarding four years ago to today, our income (on an annual basis) has gone up 20%, from changing jobs much more than from any raises. We are paying $3.50 for gas, as compared with $4.00 in July 2008 and $2.25 in January 2009. Our monthly rent is the same as it was four years ago, albeit for a slightly smaller rental in a more desirable metro with a lower rental vacancy rate. Our employee-paid portion of health insurance premiums has increased 25%+ in four years. Our money market savings account (at a bank that collapsed in 2009) was paying 5%+ interest in 2008, today our credit union savings account is paying 0.1% APY.
Thanks for the info. Is there any metric I forgot to include/exclude?
Yeah - but you can get an iphone 3 for less than half of what is was 3 years ago…
Better yet wait another couple of years and it won’t even operate on the new networks and they might be a cheap replacement for a iPod.
I already use my old 3 as an iPod in my car. Have been doing it for almost a year now since I got the 4S.
My apologies to 2banana. I think you do have a good point there. If Moore’s Law is still working then the cost of electronic stuff should still be cheaper 4 years from now. A new iPhone in 2016 will be twice as powerful but still cost about the same regardless of who is elected. I will add that to the lists of things to exclude.
PAUSE…………NOW back to some BIG HOUSING NEWZZZZ
Refrigerator News
So Long, Stainless: Whirlpool Introduces a New Finish For Premium Kitchens
http://www.refrigeratorinfo.com/News/So-Long-Stainless-Whirlpool-Introduces-a-New-Finish-For-Premium-Kitchens.htm
It’s fugly.
Actually I think it looks rather classic.
I never minded the stainless as much as i did the granite. Granite is fugly, especially the coarse grain stuff.
Well, granite is DEFINITE fugly but this one ain’t too far behind.
White and black and not tastefully done either.
“It’s fugly.”
I could never afford an appliance ensemble. or any other room. I always buy new, but it’s in pieces as needed. It’s the price of raising a family on one income; think no-class middle-class.
FWIW…Stan Humphries is a chief economist at Zillow.
Obama Gets High Marks for What He Hasn’t Done on Housing
The president resisted pressure to implement housing policies that would have damaged the market
housing has barely been mentioned by either presidential candidate, either on the stump or in three presidential debates. That’s too bad given the centrality of the housing collapse in the Great Recession and the fact that negative equity afflicts about 15 million home owners in the United States right now.
We’ve had ample opportunity over the last four years to observe Obama’s approach towards housing. I personally believe that a) his policies have not been particularly material to the ultimate magnitude of the housing recession; but b) there aren’t other policies out there that would have done any better; c) the president’s policies, while not stopping the overall decline in home values, have helped a substantial number of people caught up in the maw of the housing recession; and d) folks suggested a lot of policies that, if implemented, would have really damaged the market. So, the president gets high marks for what he hasn’t done despite pressure to do so.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2012/11/05/obama-gets-high-marks-for-what-he-emhasntem-done-on-housing?google_editors_picks=true
turnout at my polling station in fairfax county va is crazy according to my wife.
even in 2008 i have never had to wait more than 15 or 20 minutes.
Yeah, cus Virginia wants to Take America Back too. Romney will appoint the right justice(s) to overturn Loving v. Virginia which will prevent the sort of unnatural unions that produced the current mongrel communist in the White House. Take Virginia Back!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia
i think fairfax county was overwhelmingly democrat in 2008.
yes, fairfax is a very young, college-educated area. mostly DC workers, kind of what hoboken or williamsburg brooklyn are to NYC
Putin Fires Defense Minister Linked to Real Estate Investigation
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/07/world/europe/putin-dismisses-russian-defense-minister.html?_r=0
MOSCOW — President Vladimir V. Putin fired Russia’s defense minister on Tuesday after the police raided the offices and an apartment of a real estate company involved in the privatization of valuable ministry land near Moscow.
The firing of Anatoly E. Serdyukov, a longtime Putin ally, is one of the highest-level dismissals connected to a corruption case in recent memory in Russia. It was also a departure for Mr. Putin, a leader who has been reluctant to dismiss members of his inner circle.
Many ministers in the Russian government have secondary roles in business and even extensive property and wealth that is typically tolerated unless an official falls from favor for another reason, analysts of Russian politics say.
“In Russia, where what matters first and foremost are informal deals and relations,”….“We should be looking for some kind of intrigue behind this all, some kind of a clash of very important interests.”
Of oh, sounds like Anatoly stole some land that Putin was planning on stealing.
To take your minds of the election, how about some rationalization on why U.S. home prices are still falling:
Nov. 6, 2012, 11:29 a.m. EST
U.S. home prices decline in September
This is first month-over-month decrease since February: Corelogic
By Ronald D. Orol, MarketWatch
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — U.S. home prices nationwide declined in September compared to the previous month, according to an index released Tuesday.
Corelogic, a provider of information and analysis, said that on a month-over-month basis, home prices decreased by 0.3% in September 2012 compared to revised August 2012 data. The decrease represents the first month-over-month decline since February 2012.
However, the report added that home prices increased on a year-over-year basis by 5% in September 2012, compared to September 2011. It added that the year-on-year hike represented the largest increase since July 2006 and the seventh consecutive increase in home prices nationally on a year-over-year basis.
“While prices on a month-over-month basis are declining, as expected in the housing off-season, most states are exhibiting price increases,” said Corelogic chief economist Mark Fleming. “Gains are particularly large in former housing-bubble states and energy-industry concentrated states.”
Capital Economics, a research firm, noted that Corelogic’s measure of house prices isn’t seasonally-adjusted, adding that the downturn is seasonal and should not be surprising.
“As the summer-buying season draws to a close, it’s normal for prices to weaken,” said Capital Economics economist Paul Diggle in a report. “This seasonal downturn is something we have been warning about for some time now and it should not come as a surprise.”
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i just heard on the radio soundbites from romeny and obama…i think they both know something…romney said he was confident…that he had never seen this kind of enthusiasm from republicans.
obama basically told his team in chicago that we plan on doing well tongiht but no matter what happens i want everyone to know how much i appreciate all of their hard work.
just something i noticed.
This does not sound to me like a concession, though I am sure conspiratorial minds will construe it as such…seems like more of an “I’m not a jerk” announcement.
Leigh Ann Caldwell /
CBS News/ November 6, 2012, 12:11 PM
At campaign’s end, Obama congratulates Romney
During a surprise campaign stop at a field office in Chicago, President Obama congratulated Mitt Romney on a hard-fought campaign.
The president’s congratulatory comment was not meant to be a premature concession. He said he’s confident about the results. “I’m looking forward to the results. And I expect that we’ll have a good night,” he said.
Mr. Obama encouraged all voters to head to the polls: “I would encourage everybody on all sides just to make sure that you exercise this precious right that you have that people fought so hard for, for us to have.”
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reckon we will just have to find out tonight.
Wall Street is set to Take America Back!
Wall Street in rally mode as voters head to the polls
• Live coverage of Election Day 2012 | Poll: Who will you vote for?
• What to watch as Election Night unfolds | A cliffhanger for investors
Hey CBIT isn’t that what I said earlier and you disagreed?
From your article:
Bittles said the market’s rise “looks bullish for Romney,” given the perception the Republican would be friendlier to corporate America.
relax, gramps
“Wall Street is set to Take America Back!”
What’s left to do besides the mop-up and debriefing?
Inflate another bubble, silly!
Goldman Sachs is in victory formation as we speak.
Who’s going to give the concession speech?
Unfortunately the vast majority of those who lost have no idea they were even playing, who against or the stakes to begin with.
As I suggested earlier, Mr Market correctly anticipated an Obama win.
Bulletin Barack Obama is re-elected president of the United States
Nov. 6, 2012, 11:34 p.m. EST
Where to put your money now that Obama has won
Commentary: There are plenty of choices, some not so obvious
By Jon Markman, MarketWatch
The stock market loves President Barack Obama. With all its cheating heart, and all its mercenary soul.
More than that, actually — it adores him. The love story of Wall Street and Obama is a bromance like no other, a man-crush for the ages.
Despite his threats to soak the wealthy for more taxes, despite Fed Chairman’s attack on savers, despite even his threat to kill special treatment for dividends, institutional investors have thrown themselves at Obama’s feet as they have not done in the first term of any president in the past century.
You could look it up. The S&P 500 has gained 76% since his inauguration in January 2009, while the Nasdaq 100 is up 128%.
Compare that to the S&P 500’s -13% decline and the Nasdaq 100’s -45% wipeout in the first term of his predecessor, George W. Bush; or the mere 25% gain in the first term of conservative icon Ronald Reagan; or even the 60% gain in the halcyon early 1990s in the first term of Bill Clinton.
The staggering advance of the market is probably one of Obama’s greatest accomplishments, and yet, in a rich irony, political sensitivities prevent him from bragging about it.
The beauty part is that this was not a coincidence, beginner’s luck or a historical fluke.
The administration and the Federal Reserve run by his appointed chairman, Ben Bernanke, have systematically stuffed big banks’ pockets with cash in an unending rescue effort, slashed interest rates to the lowest levels of the past 300 years, diverted senior citizens’ savings to revive the moribund residential construction industry and showered drug makers and insurers with fresh sources of revenue from his health care overhaul.
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Dumb question of the day: Do at least some likely voters base their choice on whom they believe will win? For instance, if someone sitting on the fence gets word that Romney is more likely to win than he was yesterday, would the fence sitter be more likely to vote for Romney?
If yes, then what is the logic? (Or is there none?)
I think the constant reporting of poll numbers definitely influences the election. Both in the way you mention as well as people that may not plan to vote, but change their mind when they hear one guy is winning and they slightly favored the other guy. Or people that don’t vote at all because they are told it isn’t close. Or people that won’t vote 3rd party because they’re told the election is close and they don’t want their vote to ultimately be a vote for one of the major party candidates that they don’t support. Etc, etc, etc.
People need to stop paying so much attention to who’s “winning” and just vote for who they think is the best candidate. Let the rest sort itself out.
Max, just to prove a point. Last time there was a state-wide election/vote that just involved state issues, Representatives, Sheriffs, Bond issues etc. we had a near record low turnout (per-capita). Nobody came out in large part because the boob tube never discussed the issues. If it’s ain’t on TV then it don’t matter to 86% of Texans apparently. Even now I would be surprised to see 60% of eligible voters turnout. State statistics say if you make less than 25k maybe only 40% vote in presidential elections. Probably a good thing since they are so dumb they only make 25k a year and dumb people don’t need to be voting on important things like running a world super power. QED
dumb people don’t need to be voting
This election will be decided by people with free Obama phones versus the “Earth is only 6,000 years old” crowd.
The system would work a lot better if every vote counted on the margin. For instance, I voted, knowing full-well that CA was going to Obama and hence my vote would make zero difference. Similarly, the candidates have recently ignored California (largest state by population) in favor of Podunk swing states. By contrast, if everyone’s vote counted on the margin, everyone would feel more motivated to vote, and a higher turnout would result.
This is plainly f-d up.
I think the people who tend to support the one who looks like the winner also tend not to vote. It’s just an accessory thing, your affiliation is something you wear. They just space out the actual voting part.
When I was working the polls in 2008 there were a lot of enthusiastic younger voters who were perplexed by the downticket candidates. Someone asked Do I have to vote for all these? can I just vote for one?
Even the ones who consider themselves political sophisticate have no clue about state and local stuff. Like Bluestar says, if it’s not on TV it’s boring.
Home prices fall in September, the first drop in months
http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-home-prices-fall-september-corelogic-20121106,0,2469437.story
After six straight months of gains, nationwide home prices fell 0.3% last month from August, tamped down by low prices on distressed properties.
But compared with the same month a year ago, prices for single-family homes are up 5%, according to Irvine-based CoreLogic. That’s the largest boost since July 2006 and the seventh straight year-over-year increase.
Prices in every state except for seven are up from last year, according to the report.
In California, they’re up 6.9%. In the Los Angeles-Long Beach-Glendale area, prices saw a 4.8% surge. They advanced 5.2% in the Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario region.
But compared with their peak highs in April 2006, statewide prices are down 37.2%.
Quiz: How much do you know about California’s economy?
Arizona led all states in price appreciation in September with an 18.7% upswing, followed by 13.1% in Idaho and 11% in Nevada. Rhode Island prices tumbled the most, sliding 3.5%.
An outstanding article on why anthropogenic climate change doesn’t matter anymore.
http://climatedenial.org/2012/11/06/reasons-why-climate-disasters-might-not-increase-concern-about-climate-change/
“Disasters can increase social confidence and certainty. Accepting anthropogenic climate change requires a high degree of self-criticism and even self-doubt. It requires a preparedness to accept personal responsibility for collective errors and for entire societies to accept the need for major collective change. And, inevitably, this process of acceptance would generate intense debate and conflict.
Disasters may very well do the opposite and provide proof of the worth of the existing social system- including the existing worldview and lifestyle. The spirit of pulling together and moving on generates a consensus to suppress divisive issues and support the existing society. Areas of contention or disagreement are likely to be suppressed in the interests of social cohesion or out of respect to people who have offered kindness and generosity. After all, if your current society and economic model has served you well in a crisis you are surely less willing to accept change.
We could say, for historical comparison, that the transition of Germany from a dictatorship to a successful social democracy required the self doubt and introspection that came with defeat. Britain and the U.S. won the war and with it a correspondingly inflated view of their own global authority that lasts to this day.”
** There will be 8-10,000 more humans on this rock by the time you finish reading this story.
http://www.joshuaproject.net/world-clock.php
I just received a shipment of new computer drive-bay parts direct from China that were purchased on eBay. Delivery time was 7-days! The parts are high quality metal pieces with powder coat paint. Very nicely packaged with bubble-wrap and fitted boxes.
I paid a song for these durable parts, and shipping was free! They communicated well in English, posted immediate feedback as soon as I paid-up with Paypal, and they shipped right away; very professional in every detail.
FWIW, we couldn’t even package these parts for what I paid.
Did you even consider an American co.? You were lucky this time. I had a small critical Chinese part on my compressor that broke and tried to order the part. Took 4 emails & 3 months and the shipping was more than the part costs. Lucky I was able to borrow a compressor while I waited.
Interesting vid:
http://ask.van.fedex.com/learn/china
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/11/06/foreign_election_officials_amazed_by_trust_based_us_voting_system
Foreigners amazed that pictre IDs aren’t a requirement. Funny, I’m amazed too. Yet for some reason, certain political entities find ID laws to be racist?
Picture IDs are fine. Provide them at government expense. Make sure the places that issue them are available to all citizens with no more than 20 minutes travel time each way even if they do not have a car or live near public transportation. If they don’t have the various forms of proof, require the issuing agency to provide competent assistance in getting it and at no cost. And make sure that the offices you have to go to have extensive hours including nights and weekends. Elderly and/or infirm can make appointments to have theirs issued to them by a person who visits them and takes the picture in their homes.
It will cost a pretty penny, but we don’t allow poll taxes and anything else is charging people for keeping their right to vote.
Of course dont want the police to match my pic with my outstanding warrants….its a good reason
Regardless of the election results, will the Plunge Protection Team let the markets sort it out from here, or will further market support be applied post-election?
I find it odd the stock market rallied today, despite that an Obama win is supposed to be bad for stocks and there seems to be a high likelihood of an Obama win.
What gives?
Politics
TheStreet Predicts Obama Will Win the 2012 Election
By Joe Deaux 11/05/12 - 10:59 AM EST
NEW YORK (TheStreet) — We’ve entered the final 48 hours before the presidential election will be called for either President Barack Obama or Republican nominee Mitt Romney, and that means it’s time to take a peek at predictions.
TheStreet asked a number of its reporters, editors, contributors and others to give us their take on who they think will win Tuesday’s election and what they think it means for the country moving forward.
Here’s what they had to say in their own words.
Josh Brown, founder of The Reformed Broker:
“Obama takes the vote home in the Electoral College (the only place it counts, thanks to our inability to abolish this slavery-era construct) but the popular vote will be quite close. Meanwhile, the House and Senate split between Blues and Reds. This means four more years of gridlock winter, the continued court battles over health care and a last-minute ugly compromise on fiscal cliff issues before Christmas. The market will sell off into that battle, rally back on its resolution, cause a lot of consternation in the process, but will end up having gone nowhere.
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“The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are pop culture symbols representing the choice between the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue) and embracing the sometimes painful truth of reality (red).”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill_and_blue_pill
Have they got the colors backwards?
163-163 ev and Fox is already starting in on the post-mortums. Watching Rove and Noonan dissemble is a genuine pleasure.
FOX NEWS PROJECTS OBAMA RE-ELECTED PRESIDENT
Obama wins Ohio, Fox News projects
Published November 06, 2012
FoxNews.com
Stephen Colbert’s guest just claimed that Rove is challenging FoxNews’ projection.
Denial ain’t a river in Egypt…
Chalk one up for the 99% in Massachusetts.
Warren defeats Brown in Massachusetts, in latest Dem Senate victory
Published November 06, 2012
November 6, 2012: Democratic candidate for Massachusetts Senate Elizabeth Warren waves to supporters before voting in Cambridge, Massachusetts. (REUTERS)
Democrat Elizabeth Warren ousted Republican incumbent Sen. Scott Brown in the Massachusetts Senate election Tuesday night, Fox News projects, ending probably one of the most dramatic Senate races of the 2012 cycle.
The win came on top of several significant victories for the Democrats, who are so far maintaining their slim-but-steady lead in the Senate.
“Tonight is a great night for the people of Massachusetts and for the middle class across the country,” Sen. Patty Murray, chairwoman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, said in a statement.
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Yeah shes a good one but Obewanna dissed her running Consumer Financial Protection Bureau then tried to make up by supporting her for the senate
so who won coke or pepsi
Retardican clown car drove off the road. Dumbos think they won and the entire country lost once again.
Election called.
I told ya so.
Election called.
I’m bummed; Gary didn’t make diddly.
I think and Obama victory is “in the bag”
LOL AlbDan… LOL, I feel bad for you, old man. So out of touch, so sad.
Also LOL @ Gallup & Ras…
So sorry, 2banana — four more years!
DanDarrell=Friggin’ paid retard spinmasters. Not a lick of truth.
So much for the theory that misleading poll numbers can sway the vote…
About five minutes ago, my wife could sense it. She cut me off in mid sentence when I mentioned it wasn’t looking good for Mitt…
Nov. 6, 2012, 11:20 p.m. EST
Obama carries swing state Ohio
By Robert Schroeder
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — President Barack Obama carried Ohio in Tuesday’s election, putting 18 electoral votes into his column. A candidate needs 270 electoral votes to win the presidency. Mitt Romney’s final internal poll reportedly had him losing Ohio by 5%.
Poll: Election winner will have limited influence on biggest economic threats
From Wire Reports
Published: 29 October 2012 09:17 PM
WASHINGTON — Whoever wins the U.S. presidential election will probably struggle to manage the biggest economic threats he’ll face.
That’s the cautionary message that emerges from the latest Associated Press Economy Survey.
Europe’s recession will persist deep into the next presidential term, according to a majority of the 31 economists who responded to the survey. A weaker European economy would shrink demand for U.S. exports and cost U.S. jobs. Yet there’s little the president can do about it.
An even more urgent threat to the U.S. economy, the economists say, is Congress’ failure so far to reach a deal to prevent tax increases and spending cuts from taking effect next year and possibly triggering another recession. Yet as President Barack Obama has found, the White House can’t force a congressional accord.
And whether Obama or his Republican challenger, Mitt Romney, wins next Tuesday, he’ll probably have to deal with one chamber of Congress led by the opposing party. Polls suggest the Senate will remain in Democratic hands after the election and the House in Republican control.
“It’s not like there’s a clean slate for someone to do what they want,” says Joshua Shapiro, chief economist at MFR Inc.
Still, there are some ways in which the economists think the White House will be able to drive the economy.
The president, for example, could help lift growth and reduce unemployment by backing lower individual and corporate taxes and looser business rules, more than 70 percent of the economists say.
They think such policies — the core of Romney’s economic message — would be more likely to help than would Obama’s plans for more spending on public works and targeted tax breaks for businesses.
Only about 1 in 5 of the economists says Obama’s policies would be more likely to help spur growth and reduce unemployment.
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Don’t count your chickens before they hatch.
POLITICAL DIARY
November 6, 2012, 12:01 p.m. ET
‘I’m Calling It for Mitt’
By KIMBERLEY STRASSEL
Predicting an election is risky business, but political journalists ought to be expected to take some risks. So I’m calling it for Mitt Romney.
This isn’t blind enthusiasm talking; I’ve spent much of this election cycle assuming Mr. Romney would lose. He ground out an uninspiring victory in the primaries. He ran an equally timid general-election campaign, right through to his pick of Paul Ryan as a running mate. The Republican then risked all the benefit he’d earned from that bold move by staging a lackluster GOP convention.
But the Romney that has emerged since the first Denver debate is the sort of leader that voters have been hoping for at a time of economic uncertainty. As a result, Republican voters have gone from wanting to simply get rid of Barack Obama to wanting to vote to elect Mitt Romney as president. That wave of enthusiasm on the ground has infected independents as well and is the key to a Romney victory.
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For the record, the etch-a-sketch strategy failed. Maybe if the Republicans could figure out how to free themselves from the Neocon extremists who drive away moderate voters, they might have a shot in 2016.
Etch-a-sketch came very close to not failing. Came up short, but not by that much. Unless the far right wing of the Republican Party concede a lot of policy ground, we will see it again.
Agreed. Romney certainly was a strong candidate, though. My main point is that without the need to pander to the extremists who control the GOP base, he could have won.
A sizeable % of Mittens voters will be in pine boxes in 4 yrs. Seriously, Mittens has a lot of supporters over age 70.
The other issue is women & Latinos. Both growing in power and both distasteful towards the positions that GOP primary voters virtually require of their candidates.
Time to roll out the conspiracy theories!
Tuesday, Nov 6, 2012 05:56 PM PST
Rove: It’s not over yet!
Liveblog: Fox News calls Ohio for Obama, but the Republican strategist insists they’re being premature
By Salon Staff
What a looser!
Tuesday, Nov 6, 2012 08:41 PM PST
Donald Trump loses it, calls for “revolution”
Even better than Karl Rove’s refusal to give up is the Donald’s rage on Twitter after Obama wins
By David Daley
As projected, Romney’s map of states won looks like the Confederacy.
And wow, I predicted 290-300 for Obama but it looks almost certain he will top 300.
Obama crushed Romney among college educated voters, upper middle class voters, and among women. And the GOP has a massive problem coming up with the Latin populations continuing to soar in the south and west.
How to fix the Electoral College
Aspects of the Electoral College and the popular vote can be combined to bring more people into the process
By Alexander S. Belenky and Richard C. Larson
3:44 PM EST, November 6, 2012
Ohio, Virginia, Florida: If you don’t live in one of these or a few other “battleground” states, you may feel disenfranchised in U.S. presidential elections. As a Marylander, no major party candidate competes for your vote — even if the nationwide polls suggest that the election is close.
Whether you are part of a voter majority or voter minority, a Democrat, a Republican or something else, as a Maryland resident you simply cannot affect the state outcome under the current “winner-take-all” system. On election night, you watch only as a spectator, asking yourself: Is this fair?
For Republicans in places like Maryland or New York, and Democrats in places like Texas, shouldn’t their votes have some influence on the election outcome? Just who should elect our president? And how? How do we define “fairness?”
Gallup polls show that a majority of Americans support the introduction of direct popular vote for presidential elections. The current system gives priority to the states rather than the national popular vote. Many Americans support this system, despite the 2000 election aftermath.
The cornerstone of the first viewpoint is the “one person, one vote” principle, which underlies all the other elections in the U.S. The phrase :… one Nation, under God, indivisible …” from the Pledge of Allegiance may suggest that the country needs at least one executive to be elected by the nation as a whole.
The second viewpoint reflects the vision of the Founding Fathers, who reserved two methods to elect a president to the states: first via the Electoral College, and, if that is unsuccessful, in Congress. They collectively rejected direct popular elections for the president. The creation of the Senate as part of the 1787 Great Compromise suggests that the Founding Fathers believed that the will of the states should prevail in addressing federal matters. Also, the Founding Fathers didn’t vest the right to amend the Constitution in the nation as a whole. Rather, they vested it in the states as equal members of the Union, which means that the Founding Fathers recognized the will of every state. Finally, the Supreme Court has several times stated that the “one person, one vote” principle, mandatory in any statewide election, is not applicable in presidential elections. The Court has also stated that the right of a state to change a manner of appointing presidential electors (via its legislature) is plenary and independent of the process of other states.
Although the two viewpoints are starkly different, there are proposals for finding common ground between the two. Let’s consider two such proposals.
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And now we return to our regularly-scheduled programming.
President Obama will win Nevada on his way to re-election, CNN projects.
More culls expected as investment banks cut
Financial Times
By Daniel Schäfer, FT.com
updated 11:27 PM EST, Tue November 6, 2012
(Financial Times) — European investment banks will cut staff costs by at least a fifth and shed tens of thousands of jobs in the next few years, consultants and recruitment experts estimate, as much tighter regulation and a weak economy prompts them to rethink their business models.
UBS’s decision last week to cut 10,000 jobs has shone a spotlight on a sector that, five years after the financial crisis, is still trying to come to grips with its notorious inefficiency.
“Many trading businesses have been built around revenue maximisation — cost management disciplines have played second fiddle,” says Adrian Harkin, partner at KPMG.
“If you look at what the banks have announced after the financial crisis, it adds up to broadly 10 per cent of their cost base. But market sentiment is that costs will need to come down by at least double that to regain competitiveness.”
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Can I have a second helping of pie?
Yes you can.
Nationwide, almost a 50-50 split in the popular vote. Another four years of “we wuz robbed”.
If only they had nominated a “true” conservative……
Expect a campaign of “spot-hiding” in 2016.
OK, now that the election is over…how about some raw data that has something to do with housing?
New Article in the WSJ: “New Households Sprouting Up”
“Americans are setting up house at the fastest rate in more than six years, an indication that recession anxiety, which prompted adult children to move in with their parents and single people to postpone marriage, is starting to ease.
The nation added 1.15 million households in the 12 months that ended in September, according to the most recent Census Bureau data. That is a significant rise from the past four years when an average of 650,000 households were formed annually. While what economists call “household formation” is running a little lower than the average 1.25 million added annually during the boom years, the latest data nevertheless represent an important shift.”
Shadow households coming out of the shadows…
Shadow households tend to be too broke to buy houses…
Sixty million spondoolicks out of his own pocket notwithstanding, it looks like the Mittster shoulda written that concession speech after all.
Rove’s bs modus operandi just aint’ gonna play this time. Concede already.
Ok i concede food stamp application tomorrow….why not its free money and food..thanks I saw the light
I think he did a great job on the concession speech. I kind of liked concession guy a little. Was he running for president?
I believe that’s what Charlie Tango meant when he referred to “Romney unplugged.”
I probably would have voted for the real Mitt Romney, if only he had stood up before that concession speech.
Deadbeats and criminals won again……Im applying for my ohbahhhma phone tomorrow….and what ever else i can get…
Time to stop being a loser and worrying about paying my bills on time…ohbewanna will help me…just act black i think ieyez havda lingo down low jus fyne
You’re not a loser regardless of whether you get a phone or not.
Trust me.
Look at your life and then figure out why you’re a loser. Hint: it has nothing to do with politicians or people of other races. Look in the mirror.
Now for the riots. Oh that`s right we were only gonna have riots if Romney won.
Get ready for the new america….A man is fighting for his life after a brutal attack in downtown Baltimore. A witness to the broad-daylight beating is speaking only to WJZ.
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/11/06/witness-to-brutal-attack-speaks-with-wjz/
Just woke up. Did Ron Paul win?
Epic fail.
M.R President
Poll expert says Mitt Romney’s a safe bet
By FRANK LUNTZ
Published: 29th October 2012
BOOKIES think Democrat President Barack Obama will win the upcoming US election, not Republican rival Mitt Romney.
Here, US polling guru Frank Luntz reveals who he’d put his money on.
AMERICANS are not legally allowed to bet on US elections — we’d have to use a British bookmaker.
Thanks to your bookies, this American is preparing to make a lot of money.
If the British public currently think Barack Obama is coasting to victory in the November 6 election, they are gravely mistaken.
Mitt Romney can win this election. No doubt about it.
And it will be because of the first presidential debate on October 3 — a battle of ideas and ideologies that changed American politics as we know it. That day, Romney came to fight and Obama became his punching bag.
The polling data says it all. Obama led in 29 of 31 national polls taken during the four weeks leading up to the first debate.
Today Romney is up a point or two on Obama. The momentum is with Romney. In the last 20 years, the candidate with the best October almost always won in November.
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Looks like lying and skullduggery funded by ginormously deep pockets didn’t serve the Republicans very well this time around. Better luck next time!
Disclosure Fiasco: Fox Hosts Luntz To Praise Rove Ad
November 5, 2012 12:24 PM EST
BEN DIMIERO
Fox News hosted GOP pollster Frank Luntz to praise a recent anti-Obama ad as “powerful” and “one of the best ads of the campaign.” Neither Luntz nor the Fox hosts mentioned that the ad was produced by the super PAC American Crossroads, a group co-founded by Fox News political analyst Karl Rove, or that Crossroads has paid Luntz’s firm this election cycle.
Luntz’s November 5 Fox & Friends appearance kicked off with a series of interviews he had conducted at Romney campaign events with parents of young children. As explained by Luntz, these parents were worried that their children “would not grow up in the America they grew up in.” Luntz then transitioned to a political ad he had “dial-tested” a week ago, labeling it “one of the best ads of the campaign and it does focus on this inter-generational concern and anxiety.”
Fox News then aired the ad in full, with the exception of the disclosure at the end indicating its creator. In fact, the ad was released by Rove’s American Crossroads last month. Onscreen text identified it as a “Political Ad” and a “Romney Ad.” Both Luntz and the Fox & Friends crew failed to mention that it came from a Fox employee’s political group:
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