December 7, 2012

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Comment by ahansen
2012-12-07 00:40:54

A few recent local observations that might be relevant:

Ran into our longtime local realtor at CostCo down in Bakersplat yesterday, and after remarking how nice it was that all the marginal people had given up on their flipper houses and moved out, leaving our little valley in peace again, he told me he’d gotten out of the real estate and Arabian horse business altogether. (I wrote a guest blog about him several years ago; this was the fellow who at one point was making close to seven figures a year selling ranch properties and breeding stock to Saudi royals at the Paris/Belfast auctions.)

“I got sick of all the aholes”, he glowered, then, crossing his arms over his chest informed me, “Now I’m in personal security”. (As in, private body guard for studio heads and presumably the same Saudi royalty who bought the horses he’d bred)? Certainly an interesting skill set if nothing else….

Then a bit later, I spoke with the fellow who owns the restaurant supply place in B-splat. An immigrant American, he’s expanded his operation by 40,000 square feet and opened two new locations in the Central Valley over the last two years. (He and his wife started from scratch with one small storefront twenty+ years ago, and it’s still a family-run concern.) Business is booming for him as area restaurants open up and then close within a year or two, leaving him to resell and deliver/set up their equipment and furnishings throughout Central CA.

He was lamenting that he can’t scale up to more locations because of the awful real estate situation in the North Central Valley (Modesto/Merced area, high rents, no customers) and because the Chinese have the import business sewn up from overseas, so starting his own line is prohibitively expensive if he tries to bring in product through the ports. When I suggested he manufacture in Mexico and import overland, and he told me that the Chinese have started manufacturing in Mexico as well.

As I drove out of town towards home I noticed a huge project starting up on the outskirts in what is currently a light industrial area. Lots of heavy equipment and probably 80+ acres of broken ground along Hwy 58 to be graded in what has traditionally been a poor Hispanic section of chop shops, trailer parks, and small manufacturing concerns.

Our Congressman, Kevin McCarthy (R. CA) is currently the House Majority Whip, so I suspect this “fiscal hawk” is continuing on in the profitable footsteps of his predecessor, former House Ways and Means Committee Chair, Bill Thomas, (R CA). Ironically, McCarthy’s opposed by Democratic Senator, Barbara Boxer, (D CA) in using some $600M+ of unused seven-year-old earmark funding towards his own (unallocated) district pork, instead of ceding it back to the bankrupt State for re-allocation. Must. Stay. In. Office….

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77916.html

Comment by The Dust Grinder
2012-12-07 08:26:21

Alena….. Bakersplat sounds like a dusty place.

Comment by ahansen
2012-12-07 10:14:50

Grit beyond your wildest imaginings…

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-12-07 01:16:18

A house divided against itself cannot stand.

– Abraham Lincoln

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-12-07 01:23:46

McConnell move on debt ceiling backfires
By Ted Barrett, CNN
updated 1:09 AM EST, Fri December 7, 2012
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell ended up filibustering a bill he had just pushed for a vote.

Washington (CNN) — The political posturing, and theater, related to the fiscal cliff continued Thursday as Senate leaders squared off over whether to make it harder for Congress to block future increases in the debt ceiling.

At issue was a move by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, and meant to put Democrats in a tough spot, that backfired. McConnell pushed for a vote on an idea he first proposed last year as part of the debt ceiling standoff.

The legislation would allow the president to increase the debt ceiling without congressional approval, though Congress could block the move if a two-thirds majority of both the House and Senate voted to disapprove it. Democrats want the change because raising the limit has become increasingly contentious, as Republicans have demanded spending cuts and other reforms to go along with it. Another debt limit increase is needed early next year.

McConnell now opposes the change he once advanced because it was intended as a one-time solution to the deadlock over the debt last year. Nevertheless, he pushed for a vote on it because he wanted to show that even some Democrats oppose giving the president that much authority, and he knew there was no way Democrats could garner the 60 votes typically needed for major legislation to pass the Senate.

But in the back-and-forth legislative chess match that often plays out on the Senate floor, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid instead moved to pass the measure with a 51-vote threshold, confident that he had at least that many votes to give Democrats a victory.

Recognizing that, McConnell objected to voting at the lower threshold, meaning he was filibustering the bill he had just pushed for a vote.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-12-07 07:02:09

Filibusters his own bill when it looks like it might actually pass. McConnell is the Nixon of our time- politically petty, spiteful, and sneaky. And like Nixon, he seems so ill at ease amongst the public, and in his own skin, that you wonder what ever drove him to politics in the first pace. It’s hard to imagine it was for the betterment of society. More likely to ‘get back at the progressive eggheads’.

 
Comment by michael
2012-12-07 07:10:21

i would have allowed the vote…there is no way…republican or democrat…that they would transfer that much (more) power to the executive.

hell…you may as well just dissolve the house and senate.

Comment by polly
2012-12-07 08:47:02

Getting rid of the debt ceiling allows for ZERO spending that isn’t authorized by Congress through an appropriations bill (or a law like Medicare that authorizes the payments be made to doctors without a specific appropriation). So exactly what gigantic new power is granted to the executive under the proposal?

No other nation that I am aware of even has a debt ceiling. If their governments choose to spend more than they are taking in, they issue bonds to borrow the rest. All the debt ceiling really does is provide an opportunity to whine about how big the debt is without having to take responsibility for saying what you want to cut.

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Comment by michael
2012-12-07 10:29:55

it’s still a power of the legislative branch.

are you saying a democratic congress would have no problem removing the limit if a republican was the president and held the majority in the senate?

i wouldn’t want it removed in that scenario either.

 
Comment by polly
2012-12-07 11:00:45

Look, everything about these negotiations is about appearances right now. The republican minority leader of the Senate proposed a bill getting rid of Congress’ role because he thought it would be embarrassing for the dems to vote for it. Then the democratic majority leader said that it sounded like a great idea to him so lets do it and put in a rule so that a simple majority can pass it. The minority leader then said, oops I didn’t mean to propose something you liked and wanted to pass and put a hold on his own proposal.

There is NO power in the debt ceiling other than posturing. They can never actually allow the debt ceiling not to be raised when necessary. Never. Hitting the debt ceiling means an instant reduction in everything. The US government is basically an insurance company with an army. SS checks can’t go out. Maybe they could send them out but cut in half. Medicare reimbursements cut in half. States lose huge amounts of funding that they absolutely depend on. Military salaries that already qualify families for food stamps get cut. Cancel half to 2/3s of military contracts. Default on debt payments or cut even more. The country’s credit rating goes to junk status overnight. It can’t be allowed to happen. They will never let it stand for more than a day or two. So, when the only role for something is to give people an excuse to make soundbites, it is time for it to go.

 
Comment by Timmy Boy
2012-12-07 11:19:59

The problem isn’t that we HAVE a debt “ceiling”….

The problem is that we keep raising it.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-12-07 14:07:34

The country’s credit rating goes to junk status overnight.

Let’s not forget that there are those, both in Congress and in the general population, who want just that to happen.

 
Comment by tresho
2012-12-07 15:56:01

The problem is that we keep raising it.
It’s only a virtual ceiling, designed to be postured over & then consistently raised. The problem is that the public debt will be repeatedly raised - until it can’t.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-12-07 01:29:42

The communists stole the election!

Archconservatives: anger, denial but no acceptance of Obama’s victory
By Tom Cohen, CNN

updated 11:47 PM EST, Thu November 22, 2012
Die-hard conservatives blame Mitt Romney, electoral fraud and liberal conspiracies

Washington (CNN) — Step by step, die-hard conservatives are confronting their grief over President Barack Obama’s re-election.

But judging from blog posts and other public pronouncements, many remain stuck somewhere between denial and anger, very far from acceptance.

So far this week, prolific blogger Judson Phillips on Tea Party Nation has called for boycotting the Electoral College to prevent validating the election result and lamented the triumph of liberalism in destroying national unity and therefore America’s greatness.

Over at RedState.com, a more sophisticated political analysis echoes calls by Republican leaders to better communicate conservative principles instead of softening or dropping them.

Founder and CNN contributor Erick Erickson, who rejected any talk of electoral fraud or an unfair Obama victory, wrote Tuesday that “there’ll be no hand-wringing here and there sure as hell won’t be any apologies for fighting for what we believe in.”

“Republicans are not successful when they run campaigns as the rich patrician out to make government more efficient so it can be more helpful,” said another Erickson post Tuesday. “Republicans win with conservative populists who run as men who pulled themselves up in life fighting big government and its cronies.”

Some acceptance has been necessary. On Tuesday, tea party favorite Rep. Allen West of Florida conceded in his race for re-election after initially alleging electoral fraud.

Little of the discussion focuses on the changing demographics of the country, identified by exit polls and many analysts as a major factor in both Obama’s 2008 victory to become the nation’s first African-American president and his re-election on November 6.

In particular, Obama received overwhelming support from the nation’s fastest-growing demographic — Hispanic Americans — to cause some high-profile conservatives including Fox radio and television host Sean Hannity to soften their stance on immigration reform.

Overall, though, hard-core conservatives continue to reject that they are a minority in a country built on the core principle of liberty that they embrace.

Instead, the initial reactions and subsequent attempts to explain what happened sought scapegoats, such as what right-wing critics describe as a deficient Republican challenger in Mitt Romney, electoral theft or a liberal-dominated media industry that is part of a broader Marxist effort dating back decades to undermine the nation.

Comment by snowgirl
2012-12-07 06:54:16

Electoral fraud! Oh, that is a howl after what they did to Ron Paul delegates at their convention. Pot meet kettle!

Comment by ecofeco
2012-12-07 08:51:53

Ron Paul was screwed hard at the convention. To actually change the rules just before his nomination was beyond the pale.

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Comment by Dave of the North
2012-12-07 12:16:58

Ron Paul was going to be nominated? Who knew…?

 
 
 
Comment by goon squad
2012-12-07 10:36:18

part of a broader Marxist effort

“From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs” — Barack Hussein Obama second inaugural address, January 21, 2013

Comment by Robin
2012-12-07 20:05:04

Context, please?

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Comment by Raimund Dippon
2012-12-07 05:12:31

A house divided is a condo.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-12-07 07:11:13

No, it’s a duplex. (I know firsthand, as we live in half of one…)

Comment by Al
2012-12-07 12:49:05

There’s that old flaw with US politics. Always a duplex…

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Comment by tresho
2012-12-07 15:57:04

A house divided is not a uniplex.

 
Comment by Al
2012-12-07 16:29:08

Triplex?

 
Comment by tj
2012-12-07 16:40:19

Triplex?

a horse divided is not yet a quarter horse.

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-12-07 23:14:36

Hah. Nice, tj.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Ryan
2012-12-07 05:54:56

Maybe it’s no longer meant to?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-12-07 06:16:53

Last night I helped a middle-school son (and his mom) complete a Roman history homework assignment. The question was, “What were the main factors which led to the downfall of the Roman Empire?”

Turns out the main factors (according to my son’s textbook) were a huge income disparity and slavery.

Alt least we managed to get rid of slavery in the U.S. (debt servitude notwithstanding to the contrary)…

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-12-07 06:33:18

Opinion: As fiscal cliff nears, we are better off without Bush tax cuts for top 2 percent
Times of Trenton guest opinion column
on December 06, 2012 at 8:21 AM, updated December 06, 2012 at 8:49 AM
By Joshua Henne

Mere days after the polls closed in 2004 — the election he actually won – President George W. Bush proclaimed, “I earned capital in this campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it.” Bush garnered 286 electoral votes and called it a mandate.

Well, last month, President Barack Obama racked up a whopping 332 electoral votes in his re-election bid. Now, that’s a mandate.

At its heart, the 2012 campaign was about fairness. And there’s no better way for Obama to level the playing field than by letting the Bush tax cuts expire on the wealthiest 2 percent.

The Senate has already passed legislation S3412, providing tax relief for middle-class families. Right now, Obama would sign a bill extending tax cuts for 98 percent of Americans if it came across his desk. Yet, some stubborn House Republicans continue holding this plan hostage to keep the system rigged in favor of those at the tippy-top. Obama has drawn a line in cement that he’d veto any legislation continuing cuts for those making more than $250,000.

By any metric, America’s most affluent aren’t hurting. In fact, they’re far richer today than at any time in history — taking home a larger slice of total wealth and income than top earners have received in more than 80 years. If the Bush tax cuts were to expire for the top 2 percent, they’d still be able to keep up with the Kardashians.

Allowing the clock to run out on these cuts isn’t merely a symbolic gesture of finally shaking off the yoke of Bush’s failed legacy. There are practical, real-life implications, as well.

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Comment by ahansen
2012-12-07 23:21:47

Actually, Bush didn’t win 2004, either. But massive election fraud in Ohio (whose Secty of State was also the chair of the State Republican Party, and who took the CDs of all the district electoral results home to “tabulate” on his laptop) and FL (where his brother owned the company that programmed all the voting machines) coupled with Kerry’s inexplicable early capitulation after being declared the winner, ensured his regime would have another four years to loot America’s treasury and squander what was left of our national reputation.

 
 
Comment by Ryan
2012-12-07 06:33:36

Wow! I wonder what other treats are in store for you in that history book? Unicorn-riding Korean dynasties perhaps?

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-12-07 07:12:45

It is a California public school text book, so I suppose it should be unsurprising to see income disparity as one of the top causal factors for societal woes…

 
Comment by Montana
2012-12-07 07:16:52

Yes it’s not like textbook writers spin things with the present day in mind.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-12-07 07:38:10

Was it the fall of the Roman Republic, or the Empire, that the textbook was covering? Wealth disparity as a major factor in the fall of the Republic is pretty much accepted history, not some newfangled hippie explanation.

Arguably the Empire never fell. It became so large it broke into smaller pieces, some of which survive today in various forms- the Catholic church, the Eastern Orthodox church. The Ottoman Empire and the ‘czars’ (caesars) of Russia lasted until just recently, some say they are coming back.

 
Comment by Ryan
2012-12-07 07:39:28

The timing of the release of Lincoln shows it isn’t just textbooks.

 
Comment by Ryan
2012-12-07 07:55:57

Income disparity was not a cause, it was a symptom.

 
Comment by michael
2012-12-07 08:49:55

agree

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-12-07 09:23:38

State boards have final say on the content of textbooks. Those state boards are not necessarily made up of “educators” or even “subject-matter experts”.

The fact that a CA history textbook highlights income-disparity and slavery as reasons for the fall of the Roman empire doesn’t surprise me, given California’s Marxist leanings.

The Roman Empire collapsed due to a number of reasons:
1. The Empire had grown too large and expensive to maintain its borders and security. Barbarian tribes frequently invaded, and often succeeded in looting and even occupying territory.
2. The empire had relied upon a constant flow of income from conquered territories. Eventually, Rome couldn’t hold onto the territories it had already conquered, never mind finding new territories to invade.
3. Roman society became corrupt, lazy and entitled. Eventually, Rome relied upon mercenaries for the foundation of it’s military, as opposed to the professional soldier/citizens it had previously relied upon to form the foundation of the Legions. Those mercenaries were significantly less effective and had little reason to “risk life and limb” for Rome.
4. Poor governance via a number of bad emperors.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-12-07 09:49:40

“The timing of the release of Lincoln…”

After the election. What’s your point?

 
Comment by Ryan
2012-12-07 10:03:12

The election plays only a small part in the bigger, national narrative (the house divided).

 
Comment by sfhomowner
2012-12-07 10:49:47

it was a symptom

of human nature.

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-12-07 12:04:47

+ 1

 
 
Comment by Bluestar
2012-12-07 11:30:16

Christianity helped to break up Roman empire too. The eastern part prevailed for over a 1000 more years under orthodox Christianity and was call the Byzantine Empire. When it was established by Constantine the Great it was effectively the beginning of the end for Rome. After the religious zealots destroyed all the pagan institutions, which included most of the written history of the early Greek and Roman empires (see Library of Alexandria) the period know as the Dark Ages began. Almost all the history prior to 300 AD was transcribed from Greek and Arabic copies in Islamic & Persian libraries. It took almost 400 years before Europe rediscovered it’s pre-christian heritage.

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Comment by scdave
2012-12-07 11:47:51

Interesting Bluestar…And your educational background is in ??

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-12-07 13:58:32

Don’t forget that the eastern Roman empire was wealthy from trade in the east, while the western Roman empire was relatively poor trade wise…

 
Comment by Bluestar
2012-12-07 14:02:48

I have a passion for history and have read books covering ancient civilizations from all continents. I have especially sought out histories of non-western societies from Asia and the Americas prior to 1200 AD back to 5000 BC. My formal education was in aerospace and computer science.

 
Comment by scdave
2012-12-07 14:41:56

Thanks Bluestar…I am so poor at that kind of stuff that it intriges me to see someone be able to recite it…

 
Comment by tresho
2012-12-07 16:01:01

I gather from what you said that the Byzantines themselves did not preserve the Greek language histories of the era before Christianity, only the Muslims did.

 
Comment by Bluestar
2012-12-07 17:00:10

tresho,
From what I have read that’s mostly true. Constantinople got sacked a few times and lost most of their written works but bounced back several times. I think it was the Iconoclast rebellion that really killed off the study of science, history, philosophy and the arts. It came to a head during the ‘Seventh Ecumenical Council’ in 754 AD. After that split Rome really went the Pope as the supreme leader form of government while Byzantine Empire stayed with the Emperor model. This fit in well later when the Turks took over and established the Ottoman Empire using the same general model except we call them Caliphs.

 
Comment by The Dust Grinder
2012-12-07 17:51:19

Pre-Constantine Christianity is an unknown practice. Constantine co-opted Christianity and turned into a religion. (Fawked it up).

 
 
 
 
Comment by azdude
2012-12-07 06:08:20

should I buy some aapl shares today? some of the experts are calling it a generational buy.

Comment by Ryan
2012-12-07 06:16:09

I think that if you believe that aapl is still an innovative computing and cellular market leader, that you should go to your bank HELOC your house all the way up and go long.

Comment by michael
2012-12-07 07:14:05

i have had a PC for over 20 years and have never had to go to a genius bar.

my wife has had two macs…she spent 4 hours at the genius bar yesterday and countless hours with her first one…i told her we are never buying another mac ever again.

apple should just stick with phones and tablets…their computers are garbage.

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Comment by azdude
2012-12-07 07:16:59

I have never owned an aapl product.

 
Comment by The Dust Grinder
2012-12-07 08:06:49

“I have never owned an aapl product.”

+1. And I never will.

 
Comment by oxide
2012-12-07 08:06:56

Don’t feel bad, I had to look up “genius bar” to see if I guessed right.

I have still not forgiven aapl for OS9, and then fixing OS9 with the iMac which couldn’t be bothered with a floppy drive but charged through the nose for plastic in a nauseus shade of “tangerine.”

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-12-07 09:41:45

my wife has had two macs…she spent 4 hours at the genius bar yesterday and countless hours with her first one…i told her we are never buying another mac ever again.

I love the genius bar. Not for myself, but for somewhere to send my wife so I don’t have to deal with her amazing ability to auger computers into the ground at high speed.

 
Comment by scdave
2012-12-07 10:07:23

I had a HP that blew a gasket…The IT guy that I have used in the past said I should go to an apple…Although expensive, he basically said they were bullet proof…I spoke with my daughter (teacher) and my son (in Tech) and they both said yes get an apple…

So, I purchased a MAC-Pro…Love the screen and the speed but thats basically it…I have had it almost a year and still do not know how to run it…I have 6 pages of questions on How-To and I would rather go to the dentist then down to that Genius-Bar…

I am not a tech savvy guy…I just need my system to do basic stuff…I should have never bought it…I should have just gone with a Dell and stayed with a operating system that I new…

My son says he will accommodate me and take the MAC-Pro off my hands at the Parent-to-Child going price I am sure…

So, not only am I going to abandon the MAC I am also abandoning the idea of buying a I-Phone…I am going to go with a Galaxy III….Probably buy a new Dell…Costly mistake for me, not necessarily for my son… :)

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-07 11:14:07

Here’s what you can do: Install Windows as a Virtual Machine on your Mac.

 
Comment by scdave
2012-12-07 11:51:37

Is that really an option Colorado ?? In other words does it then just operate like my old HP ??

 
Comment by michael
2012-12-07 12:41:12

apple is mostly a hardware company and microsoft is/was mostly a software company.

you can run windows on your mac.

i still prefer dell, hp or samsung over a mac.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-07 12:50:49

Yup. I’m not sure if Macs ship with free Virtual Machine software, but you can buy Fusion from VMWare and install it on your MAC. Once you’ve done that you can create Virtual Machines with other operating systems (Say Windows, Linux or UNIX). You can even have multiple VMs running at the same time.

http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/overview.html

 
Comment by scdave
2012-12-07 13:34:52

Everything you just said to me may as well been in Chinese…I don’t understand any of that stuff…I will hand the information off to my son…He will understand it…Thanks guys…

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-07 14:25:04

Once you use Virtual Machines, you’ll wonder how you ever lived without them. Look at the link, it explains things in “layman’s terms”

 
Comment by SV guy
2012-12-07 16:49:19

You don’t have to go virtual.
I have both windows and Mac OS native on my m-book pro.

Dave, you should have bootcamp per-installed on your machine.

And no aapl is not a hardware company. They are a software company with leading edge industrial design. You either “get it” or you don’t.
Kind of like Springsteen.

 
Comment by Weed Wacker
2012-12-07 16:53:25

“apple should just stick with phones and tablets…their computers are garbage.”

I use all of mac/win7/winxp/ and linux machines almost every day. macs are in no way inferior to the other machines out there. Certainly they are not garbage. They are overpriced, though. You can get the same hardware in a good win7 laptop for less than half of what an equivalent mac costs.

 
 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-12-07 07:52:05

Apple was a generational buy in 2001/2002, when they were trading for cash, but had already released the iPod.

Apple is going to have their margins come under fire as they find that content providers want to find ways to get their content to other platforms (Android).

I like Apple, heck, I’m typing this on an iPad, but ultimately they are a hardware company that is making gobs of money from their very high margins. If you believe they can keep up the earnings growth without the margins hurting, then go for it. I’m more skeptical.

Comment by Northeastener
2012-12-07 09:38:24

It’s all about the cool factor for their products. If they can keep that, then they’ll hold their margins.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-12-07 09:51:04

But their coolest marketer is beyond the pearly gates…

 
Comment by Ryan
2012-12-07 09:51:24

Unlikely. In an innovation-driven, gadget market where they have ceased to innovate, they are more likely to travel the RIM path.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by goon squad
2012-12-07 04:11:38

Bumper sticker on a friend’s father’s (who was a tool and die maker at GM Lordstown) Chevrolet Caprice wagon back in the day:

Toyota - the same nice folks who gave us Pearl Harbor

Comment by azdude
2012-12-07 07:15:35

I was watching a news report this morning about an auto company manufacturer having a problem finding workers at 12 bucks an hour. evidently people make more sitting at home getting all the freebies available.

people know they can never get ahead at 12 bucks an hour so they stay home and play xbox.

Inflation is making people feel hopeless.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-07 07:28:02

What are they asking of these $12/hr workers? Computer skills? Mechanical skills? It’s possible that their target workers can get better paying jobs elsewhere.

Comment by azdude
2012-12-07 08:11:06

They want people to assemble and make auto parts. They cannot find people who will work for 12 bucks and hour.

With living exspenses so high people are spinning their wheels at those wages.

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Comment by ecofeco
2012-12-07 08:55:35

$12 an hour is what min wage should be when adjusted for inflation over the last 30 years.

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-12-07 09:45:11

With living exspenses so high people are spinning their wheels at those wages.

And there is the entitlement, right in front of us. The work ethic of our country has been corrupted by greed, sloth and envy.

Why do the Chinese workers work for pitiful wages in horrible conditions? Because there is no social safety net in China to allow a billion Chinese citizens to stay at home and collect a paycheck. And yet Americans think they are better than that and deserve to the entitlements: welfare, SNAP, housing vouchers, extended unemployment, disability.

The work ethic is gone. Take away the entitlements and people will work, period.

 
Comment by oxide
2012-12-07 10:23:41

Take away the entitlements and people will work

… for pitiful wages in horrible conditions, I assume?

 
Comment by sfhomowner
2012-12-07 10:56:22

Number of hours you need to work (making minimum wage) to afford rent:

http://billmoyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/map_minimumwage1.gif

Speaking of which, I just saw our old rental posted on Craigslist. LL is asking $1,000 MORE per month. From the pics I can see that all she did was paint.

Must be nice - to have a paid-off house in San Fran that you can rent out. But no way would I ever want to be a landlord.

 
Comment by sfhomowner
2012-12-07 11:06:00

The work ethic is gone. Take away the entitlements and people will work, period.

I am a lefteous liberal and I think there is a need for a safety net, but I have to agree with the notion that the work ethic is gone for many Americans. I know too many people on disability, unemployment, or SSI that are completely capable of working but choose not to.

When I was 16-24 years old, I hustled to make money: walked dogs, cleaned houses, telemarketed, waitressed the graveyard shift, drove a school bus, scooped ice cream. I did many of those jobs AFTER graduating from college. But I’ve been meeting young people who stay on unemployment for as long as possible without even trying to find a job. More fun to hang out in Dolores Park and get high.

 
Comment by exit56
2012-12-07 11:08:06

Bah! Humbug!

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-07 11:10:52

Given that there are millions of discouraged workers who have given up looking for work because they can’t find any, I really doubt that doing away with SNAP and other forms of welfare will turn this country into a nation of busy bees.

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-12-07 12:15:41

who have given up looking for work because they can’t find any

There are many jobs available. Those jobs may pay less than the discouraged made previously or they may be in different fields or different geographic locations, but there are jobs. How many construction jobs in NY and NJ right now? How many jobs in ND? Boston?

GSFixer is a perfect example. He’s been saying he can’t get ahead in flyover country because he is paid too little. He admitted he could make more on the coasts, but doesn’t know anyone there… so he stays where he is.

What will it take to get GSFixer to move to the Northeast or the West Coast? What will it take to get someone who is middle-aged and used to earn six-figures to suck it up and take something just to put food on the table? Why are so many applying for disability? Are people really that unhealthy? I think not…

 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-12-07 12:16:26

Lazy? Scam? How is “not enough jobs for everyone,” lazy or a scam?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-12-07 12:19:24

“What will it take to get GSFixer to move to the Northeast or the West Coast?”

Usually it’s lack of money to move in the first place.

Nobody, NOBODY, in their right mind just ups and moves to a new place without a job and enough money to actually make the move and/or survive an unexpected layoff after the move.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-07 12:41:57

SFixer is a perfect example. He’s been saying he can’t get ahead in flyover country because he is paid too little.

What makes you think that there is any work at all for him on the coasts, or that it pays any better? Just because there are a few niche noSQL jobs in Boston doesn’t mean that the streets are paved with gold on the coasts. And even if he could find a job fixing airplanes in the Bay Area or Seattle, how much would his rent/mortgage be there vs. flyover?

And in case you have forgotten, there are FAR more people looking for work than there are jobs. And that doesn’t include all the people who are on disability, crashed in some relative’s basement, on welfare, etc. Add them all back in and there’s probably only one job for every 20 job seekers.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-07 12:45:47

Are people really that unhealthy? I think not…

Yeah, right, they hand out disability like candy. I know people who really were physically hurting, who applied and were turned down.

One word: demographics. We are turning into a nation of middle aged people. You might be shocked to learn this, but older folks, in general, are less healthy than younger people. Ever notice how life and health insurance costs more as you get older? There’s a reason for that.

 
Comment by oxide
2012-12-07 13:11:17

We don’t know GSfixr’s situation. He may need to be near his daughters.

But if he is in a situation to move, there are quite a few lucky ducky jobs on the coasts. For his specialty, I would imagine there are more small airports and more execs flying — and landing — small craft on the coasts too. Isn’t that why they call flyover flyover?

Can the airplane skillz be converted to other mechanical skillz? I see ads on the back of Metrobuses all they time… they are looking for mechanics. There are options to look at, but I don’t know if any of them would pan out.

 
Comment by rms
2012-12-07 13:57:05

“And yet Americans think they are better than that and deserve to the entitlements: welfare, SNAP, housing vouchers, extended unemployment, disability.”

All this cheese was intended to buy votes because nobody in DC gives a chit about anyone especially losers.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-12-07 14:36:04

“And yet Americans think they are better than that and deserve to the entitlements: welfare, SNAP, housing vouchers, extended unemployment, disability.”

Given the fact that we had near full employment when the economy was booming, how can you say that Americans are too lazy to work? Seems like a slanderous lie to me.

Why do you hate Americans, Northeasterner?

 
Comment by MightyMike
2012-12-07 18:10:40

Given the fact that we had near full employment when the economy was booming, how can you say that Americans are too lazy to work? Seems like a slanderous lie to me.

That’s a good point. We had essentially full employment about 5 years ago. So how do you explain the dramatic increase in unemployment? Were there millions of Americans who were good, responsible, hard-working people who suddenly decided to quit their jobs and join the Free $hit Army?

 
Comment by MightyMike
2012-12-07 18:28:57

Northeasterner is also repeating something that mathguy said a few days ago, that the unemployed could all find work if they would just move to North Dakota. The problem is that we have, something like 10, 15, 20 million unemployed people in the country. How many available job could there be in North Dakota, 100,000? It’s an absurd idea, just like the idea of X-GSFixr moving to the west coast. California still has an unemployment rate of 10%.

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-12-07 22:48:36

Excuses. The low hanging fruit is gone and now it requires real effort and the willingness to adapt to difficult circumstances.

Too many have decided to take the easy way out…

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-12-07 23:40:37

Pride goeth before a fall. Plan accordingly.

 
 
Comment by Montana
2012-12-07 10:42:57

I saw the tail end of the story - where was that, anyway? Might tell the stepson to head there.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-12-07 14:28:14

Yes, I’d like to know the whereabouts of that story too. All I can find is one that completely refutes it:

Volkswagen’s Tennessee plant sets new standard for low wages

Volkswagen’s new plant in Chattanooga, Tennessee, made headlines this year as the first US auto assembly plant to pay its entire production workforce the lowest starting wage for new US autoworkers—$14.50 per hour.

But now the plant is starting all new production employees at $12 per hour, workers said, setting the bar even lower for autoworker wages.

Despite the record-low wages paid by the plant, there has been no problem filling positions with local workers. The economic devastation wrought on Chattanooga over the past ten years has thrown tens of thousands of experienced and qualified industrial workers out of work as major factories shut their doors.

“These are the best-paying jobs available anywhere in Chattanooga,” said one Volkswagen worker who asked us not to use his name. “You do everything knowing there are a dozen people out there who would gladly do your job if you don’t want it.”

Volkswagen received over 35,000 applications for its initial hiring batch of 1,500 employees, and applicants continue to stream in by the thousands

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/sep2011/chat-s23.shtml

 
Comment by MightyMike
2012-12-07 18:30:57

Despite the record-low wages paid by the plant, there has been no problem filling positions with local workers.

That contradicts the notion that Americans would prefer to sit on their butts and play video games, doesn’t it?

 
 
 
 
Comment by Spook
2012-12-07 08:04:38

Yes and today is the 71st anniversary of the attack on Pearl Bailey.

Comment by ecofeco
2012-12-07 08:57:21

Sort of a…”Mini” Pearl?

(spelling deliberate)

 
 
 
Comment by goon squad
2012-12-07 04:36:12

SF, top city for DINK couples, rich in DINK-worthy real estate:

“Unless you’ve had your head in the sand, you know DINKs flock to San Francisco, a city famed for having more dog-raising families than kid-raising ones. So perfect is this fair city that DINK Life headquarters in San Francisco (they’re even writing a book about the DINK lifestyle).

DINKs are so powerful a demographic they got their own acronym sometime in the 1980s; along with that acronym came a flood of targeted marketing and spending-habit studies. No surprise that with a much freer expendable income than their child-rearing brethren, these American adults spend money differently. That includes how they spend it on real estate.

Here in San Francisco where inventory is tight, we have to expect some overlap between parent homebuyers and DINK homebuyers, especially dog owners. Both groups, as homebuyers, will want yards.

But families with children are fast leaving the city, per the Huffington Post: “According to statistics presented to a special hearing of the Board of Supervisors on Thursday, San Francisco has the lowest percentage of children of any major city in the country. Only 13.4 percent of the city’s approximately 800,000 residents are under the age of 18.”

Today’s DINK buyers want to be able to walk to as many essential services as possible. Alex Clark, a Realtor® in San Francisco confirms: “DINKs are definitely different than San Francisco families with kids looking to purchase. Walkability is important, as is access to recreation. Big on the list is close access to restaurants, and low on the list are designer kitchens…as they tend to cook less. Parking is less and less of a priority, hence the importance of walkability or the increasingly more popular “bike-ability.”

This demand has real force on the industry. The George Washington University School of Business reports that walkable neighborhoods have now exceeded suburban ones in terms of demand. Their study found that for each 6% improvement in a neighborhood’s walkability score, rent prices for office and retail space increase 7%, apartment rents increase 6%, and home sale prices go up $133/ft2. So in a sense, DINKs demanding close-in property help keep the price of said property in this city as expensive as it is—and getting more so.

With no kids and need for less space overall and a strong desire for walk-(or bike)-ability to both work and daily essential services and amenities, DINKs have potential to influence future housing construction. Their priorities—and buying power—encourage small scale homes, closely centered near an already established retail/business area. This preference for a more close-in, clustered style of living has already made its stamp on American real estate. As pointed out in DINK Life’s recent article “DINKs Quickly Becoming the Power Couples of Real Estate,” the performance of suburban property in this country during the recent recession shows that “as U.S. home values declined from 2008- 2011, areas located far from urban hubs have lost value most dramatically. Areas close-in, however, have either held their value or increased it.”

http://blog.sfgate.com/ontheblock/2012/12/06/sf-top-city-for-dink-couples-rich-in-dink-worthy-real-estate/

Comment by ecofeco
2012-12-07 09:00:11

Not DINKS, but RINKS.

Rich Income No kids.

There is NO way J6P can afford to live in the heart of SF.

Comment by Young Deezy
2012-12-07 09:42:01

I think many J6Ps wouldn’t want to live there even if he/she could.

I live within driving distance of The City, and have been visiting all my life (family from that part of the state), and one thing that’s really struck me is how awful the place has gotten over the last 15 or so years.

The physical infrastructure is poorly kept, the number of homeless has exploded ( contributing to the problem of ever-present human urine/feces on sidewalks), crime is MUCH higher than any of the locals (including the media) would let on , and there is an almost palpable feeling of desperation coming from the city’s (working class) citizens.

basically what i’m trying to say here is I get the feeling SF may end up going the way of Detroit, if it isn’t already happening.

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2012-12-07 10:09:15
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Comment by oxide
2012-12-07 13:14:11

I really don’t want to read that story. But I heard that cities can’t put up port-a-potties because they are very quickly converted into houses of ill repute.

Man, how desperate do you gotta be.. :shock:

 
Comment by tresho
2012-12-07 16:06:03

Man, how desperate do you gotta be..
to pay to live in SF? Only those who live there can answer that question.

 
 
 
Comment by sfhomowner
2012-12-07 11:15:08

There is NO way J6P can afford to live in the heart of SF.

I read that article yesterday.

We’re not J6P but we are just plain old middle class (2 teachers, 2 kids, no family money). The only way we could afford to continue living here was to stop renting.

I have been here since the late 80’s, and while some of my friends have left the city by choice (for work, family, etc.) the majority of people I know who have left San Francisco left because of the cost of housing. They either left because of the rents or because they wanted to buy and could not afford to. The folks I do know who own are here to stay, and the only ones who regret their decision to buy here are the people who bought in 2005-07.

The rents here would have to collapse by 40% to make them comparable to my monthly mortgage payment.

Overheard at the dog park yesterday: “What will your start up do without you?” Barf.

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2012-12-07 15:51:30

DRINKs, since you need Dual Rich Incomes.

 
 
 
Comment by moral hazard
2012-12-07 04:55:12

This one is for Neil.

Posted: 8:18 a.m. Thursday, Dec. 6, 2012

Wells Fargo serves up principal reductions and popcorn

By Kimberly Miller

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

WEST PALM BEACH —
It was more like a café than a place where struggling homeowners negotiated deals to stave off foreclosure. But that’s where things are four years after the economy broke and real estate toppled _ pink lemonade, popcorn and Kelly Clarkson videos.

Wells Fargo Home Mortgage took over a portion of the Palm Beach County Convention Center on Thursday, beckoning 13,500 homeowners within a 100-mile radius to come talk face-to-face about their mortgage challenges and possible solutions.

About 235 homeowners registered for the free event _ an average amount for a homeowner workshop, Wells Fargo officials said. Unlike the camp-outs, long lines and raucous public testimonials that accompanied the 24-hour blitzes of the Neighborhood Assistance Corporation of America’s two visits to West Palm Beach, Wells Fargo took a more refined approach.

A concierge greeted each homeowner, who was escorted through a check-in process and then to a waiting area where tables were set up restaurant style. Four flat screen TV’s played music videos. Popcorn and pink lemonade were served.

“We try to create an atmosphere to make customers feel comfortable,” said Robert Silva, with Wells Fargo community relations. “This can be a nerve-wracking experience.”

Homeowners at Thursday’s event were evaluated to see if they were eligible for such foreclosure prevention programs as Florida’s $1 billion Hardest Hit program, the federal Home Affordable Modification Program or the National Mortgage Settlement.

It was the first large-scale workshop hosted by Wells Fargo in West Palm Beach.

Greenacres homeowner Yesenia Azanedo said she was awarded a loan modification that lopped a whopping $200,000 off her principal amount.

“We finally got to a happy ending,” she said. “We got a good answer today.”

Mary Hagan of Riviera Beach also won a loan mod. She wasn’t clear on the details, but said it will lower her monthly payment.

“I just want other people to feel like they can do this. They can only say ‘yes’ or ‘no.’”

In October, the U.S. government filed a civil lawsuit against the San Francisco-based bank alleging it engaged in reckless lending that cost the Federal Housing Authority hundreds of millions of dollars in insurance claims when the loans defaulted. In July, Wells Fargo reached a $175 million settlement with the Department of Justice following accusations that it steered black and Hispanic borrowers into expensive sub-prime loans.

And not everyone walked out of Thursday’s event with a lower mortgage payment.

“I’ve been faxing documents for two years,” said Jupiter homeowner Elke Klukas, repeating a familiar complaint among homeowners attempting a loan modification.

Klukas, a homecare provider, stopped paying her mortgage in December 2009 after a job loss. Now she’s working again and hoped to negotiate a deal Thursday to stay in her home.

She was denied until her home can be appraised.

“I just hope to know before Christmas,” Klukas said. “If I have to move sometime next year, I want to know.”

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Posted by CheeseusSonofdog at 10:18 a.m. Dec. 6, 2012

But, but,but… I thought there were no more foreclosures? That inventory was at all time lows? That the housing market has never been healthier? Almost 15,000 future homes to come on the market from just this one bank. Suckers buying now are idiots. There is inventory, no matter what the realtor gang says. The banks just haven’t foreclosed on it yet. Don’t buy when a market is being manipulated.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/business/wells-fargo-invites-13500-homeowners-to-event-in-w/nTN8y/

Comment by The Dust Grinder
2012-12-07 08:08:52

But, but,but… I thought there were no more foreclosures? That inventory was at all time lows? That the housing market has never been healthier? Almost 15,000 future homes to come on the market from just this one bank. Suckers buying now are idiots. There is inventory, no matter what the realtor gang says. The banks just haven’t foreclosed on it yet. Don’t buy when a market is being manipulated.

See? There are a few out there willing to be truthful.

 
 
Comment by goon squad
2012-12-07 05:23:46

In a slow economy, baby is a luxury item:

“Which is the more powerful agent of social change: fear or sympathy? Women in rich and middle-income countries may soon find themselves enrolled in a real-life experiment testing this proposition. That is because birth rates are dropping in much of the world. Demographics may soon rocket to the top of the political agenda, demanding an entirely new way of thinking about women and motherhood and the economy.

One reason for the shift was, as it were, born in the USA. That is because, for a long time, the United States has watched declining birth rates in places like Western Europe, Russia and even China with an air of superiority. The United States, lusty and fertile, was bucking the demographic trends.

Then, last week, new data showed that in 2011, the U.S. birth rate fell to the lowest level ever recorded – 63.2 babies per 1,000 women of child-bearing age.

This is a big change for the United States, bringing the birth rate in the country more closely in line with those of the rest of the developed world. The total fertility rate in the United States, a measure of the total number of children the average woman is likely to have, in 2011 was 1.89.

A recent study led by Joel Kotkin for the Civil Service College of Singapore found that the U.S. rate was edging toward European numbers: 1.54 for Greece, 1.48 for Italy and 1.5 for Spain. In rich Asian countries, including Japan and Singapore, the rate has fallen even more sharply. Even in many middle-income and poor countries, the level has fallen below the replacement rate of 2.1 – to 1.89 in Vietnam and 1.9 in Brazil.

These figures, particularly the recent decline in the United States, have prompted a chorus of cultural lamentation.

Mr. Kotkin, for example, sees the falling birth rate as the central feature of what he calls “post-familialism,” a new form of social organization that prizes liberation, personal happiness and perhaps even a “hip” urban aesthetic over the more traditional values of community and self-sacrifice.

This cultural critique – made, not accidentally, mostly by men – misses the central fact about falling birth rates. They are, above all, driven by decisions by women. And, in the countries where we have seen birth rates drop, they are about decisions driven by women who face three defining facts.

First, women have the historically unprecedented power to control their own fertility.

Second, the old close-knit family and community ties that once supported child-rearing have been severed by industrialization and urbanization, and not much has emerged to take their place.

Third, women’s economic circumstances have been transformed. Women in countries where birth rates have fallen tend to be richer than were previous generations with higher birth rates or their sisters in countries where the birth rate is still high.

But that shift masks some other important characteristics in the life of the middle-class woman in middle- and high-income countries.

She is more likely than ever to work – and to need to work to maintain her family’s middle-class status. She is also more likely to live in a society in which a great deal of time and money must be invested in each child to ensure his or her future success. And, particularly in Europe and the United States, family income has probably stagnated or increased only marginally over the past decade, and certainly since the recent recession.

But the truth is that for most women, children are the most delightful and luxurious of consumer goods. (Full disclosure – I am the mother of three.) They are, however, expensive, both in terms of time and in terms of money, and more and more women in middle-income and upper-income societies are judging, with considerable sadness, that they simply cannot afford to have as many children as they would like.

This is where the question of fear versus sympathy comes in. For decades, feminists have been demanding that we come up with better ways for women to be both mothers and full members of modern society. That has often been dismissed as a “women’s issue.” So we have not addressed it – and now women are voting with their wombs.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/in-a-slow-economy-baby-is-a-luxury-item/article6063363/

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-12-07 08:28:10

Face it, as national economies advance, fertility declines.

Comment by palmetto
2012-12-07 09:00:01

This is very true. If you want a population explosion, bring on war, famine and poverty. I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but organisms get very frantic about reproduction when threatened with extinction. When they can’t eat, they copulate. People often marvel at this phenomenon, and wonder why the poor often have lots of offspring, but it is merely a biological effort of the species to survive, up to a point. Of course, below this point survival becomes impossible due to environmental conditions, and then you see the species drop off from sheer apathy.

This is why giving a population just BARELY enough to survive will cause a population explosion of magnitude.

 
Comment by frankie
2012-12-07 12:55:15

Should be due a population boom in the UK, our economy is retreating at warp speed.

 
Comment by tresho
2012-12-07 16:16:47

Face it, as national economies advance, fertility declines.
At some point declining fertility tends to lead to declining population, especially the younger fraction starts to shrink as the older fraction expands. This tends to cause the national economy to shrink.
There are always other factors that come into play.
A little blurb about what may have contributed to the fall of Rome, and I don’t vouch for its accuracy:
Much new research has been done on the living conditions of ordinary Romans in the last fifty years, and what has emerged is the picture of a life of almost unimaginable squalor. The cities, by modern standards, were packed: people lived in appallingly confined spaces. In Rome, the great majority of the poor inhabited multi-story apartment blocks named insulae (“islands”), which were little more that multi-story slums. They were also death-traps. Several Roman writers noted that the most frequently heard sound in the city was the roar of collapsing insulae. They were constructed of the cheapest materials, and their occupiers rarely had any warning of their impending disintegration.
Right. No one could have predicted the collapse of a shoddy structure.

 
 
 
Comment by goon squad
2012-12-07 05:27:15

Inequality and Poverty American-Style:

“Irrespective of ones circumstances or stage of life, illness is never welcome, in America if your poor it can prove to be a total catastrophe, ending often in personal bankruptcy. “According to a report published in The American Journal of Medicine, medical bills are a major factor in more than 60% of the personal bankruptcies in the United States“. Health care insurance an unaffordable luxury, for the 15% or 50 million people now living in ‘official’ poverty in America, anxiously relying on good luck and a poor diet to keep sickness at a bay.

Average individual health care insurance costs around $200 per month, unbelievable as it may sound to the unfamiliar, this does not automatically cover prescription charges. Having paid around $12,000 into insurance company coffers and made no claim in five years, a friend recently needed hospital care; no charge, antibiotics however, prescribed and dispensed $50 – ‘have a nice day’. My daughter living in New York with family health insurance, was charged $100, yes $100, for an ameliorative wonder cream earlier in the year, one can only imagine it was infused with miracle oil and laced with melted gold. The Bureau of Investigative Journalism (BIJ) in a recent documentary state, the US healthcare industry is the largest in the world, with “$300 billion a year spent on prescription drugs alone”, a figure that is rising in tandem with the pharmaceutical companies colossal profits, the top three according to Fortune Magazine making $27,000 millions in 2010. Surprisingly or perhaps not given US politicians relationship with corporate leaders, Noam Chomsky states, the prices set by these companies are protected in law. Unsurprisingly and in keeping with commonsense and codes of social fairness, 80% of the population would support lower rates.

The American health care system is a moneymaking machine for the Insurance giants and their pharmaceutical bedfellows and a major cause of poverty and hardship in the country. It is inefficient and at approximately twice the cost per capita of comparable countries, extremely expensive, Cuba e.g. Noam Chomsky says “achieves the same outcomes at 5% the cost.“ The fact that the worlds only so called ‘super-power’ does not offer a health care system to all 311 million or so of its citizens, based on need and “free at the point of delivery”, reflects the driving political/economic ideological doctrine that underpins all areas of life in America; Capitalism, with its single motive; profit. It is a system that is fuelling economic and social inequalities that are trapping increasing numbers of people into a life of poverty devoid of hope.

More people are living in poverty in America now than at any time since 1959 when data was first collected with around 43 millions (August 2012 figures) a 70% increase in five years, relying on the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program – Food Stamps for their meals. The 15% figure may be an understatement as the income level used by the government to define ‘poverty’ increases based on the rate of inflation. The threshold established for a family of four in 2011 was $23,021 per annum, extreme poverty where 21 million Americans live – $11,000. However if as The Economic Collapse, report on Poverty in America state “inflation was still calculated the way that it was 30 or 40 years ago, the poverty line would be much, much higher and millions more Americans would be considered to be living in poverty”. Wealth and poverty predictably falls along lines demarcated by race as well as social backgrounds, 27% of Hispanics and Blacks and 31% of single mothers, compared with 13% of adults generally and 11% of families are living under the demoralizing, de humanising shadow of poverty.

Since the late 1970’s poverty rates and levels of economic equality have been dramatically increasing. Under the presidency of Ronald Reagan and the days of unbridled competition and market forces that his administration, and across the sea The Iron Lady championed, poverty numbers leapt to a tat below the present figure. Reagan famously admitted to having “fought a war on poverty and poverty won.” Those under fire were poorly armed and inadequately prepared, the battle rages today and more furiously, with inequities and social disadvantages acute.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/12/07/inequality-and-poverty-american-style/

Comment by ecofeco
2012-12-07 09:04:06

Lies! Everyone knows the poor are just lazy and pay no taxes.

Comment by rms
2012-12-07 09:23:19

“Everyone knows the poor are just lazy and pay no taxes.”

+1 You forgot “making babies.”

 
 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-12-07 10:13:42

Is healthcare a right or a privilege? If it’s a privilege, then the for-profit system we have is perfectly acceptable. If it’s a right, then the profit-driven motive needs to be removed and the government should take over the entire industry.

And make no mistake, if you take away the profit motive and try to provide services to everyone, regardless of “cost”, you will see a decline in R&D, unless funded by the government, and a decline in overall standards of care.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-07 10:56:31

Then maybe the ultra rich can fund the R&D. Unlike we the great unwashed, billionaires have a lot more to lose than we mere nobodies by dying before their time.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-07 11:00:37

My daughter living in New York with family health insurance, was charged $100, yes $100, for an ameliorative wonder cream earlier in the year, one can only imagine it was infused with miracle oil and laced with melted gold.

All those Benzes, Beamers, Lexus and Audis in big pharma parking lots aren’t free, you know!

 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-12-07 12:15:53

Same outcomes? Tell that to Hugo Chavez. However, we certainly should be able to deliver health care at a better price.

 
 
Comment by snowgirl
2012-12-07 06:49:43

Looks like an upcoming episode of the TV show Modern Family is going to center around house flipping. Should be interesting to see how they handle that one.

Comment by azdude
2012-12-07 07:07:47

asset inflation is taking the place of real productive work.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-12-07 07:22:54

I think you pretty much nailed the Fed’s economic recovery plan…

Comment by azdude
2012-12-07 08:13:32

thats is the grand plan isnt it? Inflate stocks and homes at all costs. Sadly this is our economic plan.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2012-12-07 08:49:47

Do you have an asset that has gone up in price over the past five years? Anyone? I don’t see evidence of the Fed’s success lately. I see more empty storefronts though.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-12-07 09:52:58

Housing: The Case-Shiller S&P Index has gone up for six months straight…

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Comment by Blue Skye
2012-12-07 10:21:27

Not a qualified answer as you don’t own such an asset, however:

http://www.blytic.com/Player.aspx?key=42498&roottype=release&rootid=90

I see what you mean about going up for several months. In the bigger picture, monthly fluctuations inside a narrow band don’t mean much. The trend over the past few years is down. That trend has not been broken, despite what propaganda you hear.

The graph I posted the link to (harmless popup warning) does not look like a completed bubble bust. Where we are now is where the sucker bubble is expected, right before another avalanche, and a return to prebubble prices (at least). The FedGov has done a lot to encourage a sucker bubble and here we are sliding sideways to down.

 
Comment by michael
2012-12-07 10:38:14

in the neighborhood my wife an would like to live…it’s deja vu all over again.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2012-12-07 11:11:53

Do you have an asset that has gone up in price over the past five years ??

I don’t particularly but I know people that do…They are far a few between but as an example, AAA rated NNN leased real estate has gone up in value the last 5 years because interest rates have dropped so far that the CAP rates have also dropped thereby raising the asets value in the market place…

A good example of this would be a McDonald’s site….Another couple of examples would be Walgreens or 7-11…

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Comment by Blue Skye
2012-12-07 11:25:15

In my business it is 2008 all over again. We’re all staffed up and looking at the same near record sales, but with no profit due to the buildup of overhead in anticiaption of growth to the moon.

 
 
Comment by tresho
2012-12-07 16:21:39

Do you have an asset that has gone up in price over the past five years? Anyone?
I DO, I DO! I have 19 gallons of No. 2 diesel in the aft tank of my 1983 F250 that I haven’t used since I last filled that tank in 2007, at $3.039 per gallon. Today the price at my nearest station for the same stuff is $3.999. When it gets to $50 a gallon, I’ll SELL!

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Comment by Anon In DC
2012-12-07 07:01:25

Hi. From suburban Boston another government interference helping make housing more expensive. Why don’t busybody tax and spend liberals do their charity work on their own dime?

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/nfb/3452114748.html

Comment by Captain Credit Crunch
2012-12-07 08:50:04

Looks like a .com link to me, not .gov.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-12-07 09:06:57

Poor people should just stay in the ghetto, right?

Seriously, one project does not influence an entire regional market.

 
Comment by Northeastener
2012-12-07 09:35:15

Just to clarify, local and state development laws require a certain percentage of new development be considered “affordable housing”. What usually happens, at least for condos and apartments, is that a lottery for the few units considered “affordable”, with subsidized pricing/rents are put into a lottery. The rest of the units are sold/rented at market.

Comment by scdave
2012-12-07 11:14:29

Its called “inclusionary Housing”….

Comment by Northeastener
2012-12-07 11:41:51

Inclusion doesn’t work in public education and it doesn’t work in housing either. People vote with their feet… in real estate, it’s called “white flight”.

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Comment by scdave
2012-12-07 13:38:18

Not saying it works just thats what they call it…Pretty standard practice around here with any development with size…

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Comment by ecofeco
2012-12-07 12:37:19

This is true, NE, but the overall amount is still not enough to influence large areas. Neighborhoods, sure. But entire regions, no.

Funny thing though, even the poor don’t want to live in bad neighborhoods because contrary to popular myth, most of them are working poor who are trying to stay away from trouble.

 
 
 
Comment by goon squad
2012-12-07 07:19:13

Denver Post - Report shows warming weather may cost winter tourism $2 billion a year:

“A new study says a warming climate could cost the country’s winter tourism industry as much as $2 billion a season as snowpack dwindles.

The analysis — authored by a pair of doctoral students from the University of New Hampshire — concludes that rising winter temperatures since 1970 are threatening winter tourism in 38 states. The report said the difference between a good snow year and a bad snow year from 1999 to 2010 cost the industry between $810 million and $1.9 billion; 13,000 to 27,000 jobs; and 15 million skier visits.

Looking forward, the researchers estimate snow depth could decline to zero at lower elevations in the West and that the ski season in the East could shrink by as much as half in the coming decades.

The researchers said Colorado resorts and resort communities lost $154 million in revenue and 1,867 jobs in a bad snow year.”

Comment by snowgirl
2012-12-07 07:40:23

The ski resorts will suffer but other outdoor sports and NHs camping tourism will have a longer season. Places like Loon Mountain that have gone to a year round resort plan had the right idea.

Comment by Northeastener
2012-12-07 09:28:24

+1

I like Loon and Waterville Valley and try and take the family up at least once a season.

If it’s too warm to ski, I’ll mountain bike…

 
 
Comment by goon squad
2012-12-07 08:27:53

New York Times - Best Bets for Finding the Snow:

“Resorts in the United States reported the lowest average snowfall in 20 years last season, forcing half to open late and nearly half to close early, according to the National Ski Areas Association. In Europe, too, lack of snow and warm temperatures in the Alps in late 2011 contributed to a slow start to last season.

Keep in mind that even at high-altitude resorts that are not coastal, like those in the Colorado Rockies, you can’t escape a changing climate. There, warmer winters and lighter snowfall have forced seasons to end earlier. “One line from the backcountry ski world is: April is the new May,” Mr. Schendler said.

If you can bear the irony of taking a greenhouse-gas emitting plane in search of dwindling snow, another good option in the winter is still the Alps, last season’s late start notwithstanding. They offer altitude, latitude and gorgeous scenery. Still, in the Swiss Alps, the average winter temperature is on the rise, increasing 2.43 degrees Fahrenheit in the last 50 years.

With a warming climate comes more variation in weather patterns. That means that snow will come in big dumps, in increasingly intense storms. To find the snow these storms bring requires more than simply luck.

“It depends on how much of a ski addict you are,” said Dr. Andrew Slater, a scientist with the National Snow and Ice Data Center, who runs the West-Wide Real-Time Snow Monitoring web site. If you are hard-core and impulsive, he suggested scheduling your trip around forecasts a mere five to seven days out.”

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-12-07 09:26:16

“Still, in the Swiss Alps, the average winter temperature is on the rise, increasing 2.43 degrees Fahrenheit in the last 50 years.”

Maybe the snow is melting in the Alps, but do any of you young pups have a clue what kind of measuring devices we were likely using to record the temperature in “the Alps” 50 years ago? You can be sure it wasn’t +/- 0.03 degrees accurate. Maybe +/- 3 degrees. It was probably recorded by that new thing, the ball point pen, though.

Scientists apparently don’t get any training in “science” these days. It is often my impression anyway when I read stuff like this.

Comment by goon squad
2012-12-07 09:57:22

We will leave the politicizing of “climate change” to the Drudge Report link copy-and-pasters. And as we’ve stated before, we’re not in favor of Al Gore carbon credits and reduced lifestyles. We favor ecological collapse (for the humanoids, anyway), as long as it happens after we’re dead :)

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Comment by Blue Skye
2012-12-07 11:27:45

I am amused by odd things.

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-12-07 15:12:46

but do any of you young pups have a clue what kind of measuring devices we were likely using to record the temperature in “the Alps” 50 years ago?

I suspect the Swiss would have had excellent thermometers in the 1950s/60s.

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Comment by goon squad
2012-12-07 07:39:10

New York Times - Soaring Rents Drive a Boom in Apartments:

“Houston is better known for urban sprawl than dense apartment living. But as part of a national rush to capitalize on rising rents, developers there are building thousands of apartments like those south of downtown at Camden City Centre, where 268 units will open early next year in a complex that also has two swimming pools, billiards tables, a coffee bar and fitness center.

As residential building recovers from a near standstill after the housing crisis (it’s over? NOT!), much of the momentum is coming not from subdivisions with green lawns and two-car garages but from rental apartments. Multifamily construction nationwide is two-thirds of the way back to its prerecession peak, while single-family home construction is still only about a third of the way back to its peak, said David Crowe, the chief economist of the National Association of Home Builders.

The multifamily construction recovery, fueled by young people who are striking out on their own, is strongest in the South and West, particularly in markets where job growth is picking up. Last month, the Commerce Department released data on new construction that showed new apartment complexes were going up at the fastest rate since July 2008.

That has led to a fear of overbuilding. While rents are still rising, analysts say the steep increases between 2011 and 2012 are unlikely to be repeated as a surge of units are completed in the latter part of this year and will continue to come on the market early next year. Nationally, residential rents rose 4.2 percent in 2011, but only 3.6 percent so far this year, according to Axiometrics, a Dallas-based apartment market research firm.

Still, vacancies remain extremely low and the pace of building in recent years has not been quick enough to replace obsolete, decrepit or demolished units, said Mr. Crowe of the homebuilders group. He projected that it would be several years before supply was back to normal.

“The demand for building is all over the country, really,” said Ric Campo, Camden’s chairman and chief executive. “We’re seeing higher rents, faster lease-ups, lower construction costs — everything you want to see. Part of it is there’s a pent-up demand for new product because we didn’t build anything during the downturn.”

Comment by oxide
2012-12-07 08:41:02

“obsolete, decrepit or demolished units”

Rental housing deteriorates just as much as SFH with a mortgage, perhaps faster. And the newly built housing is not going to be as low rent as the old stuff.

Comment by goon squad
2012-12-07 09:29:54

Our first rental (rented sight unseen from 1,400 miles away) when we moved to Colorado was a 1990’s constructed complex. Horrible construction quality, terrible neighbor noise (and terrible neighbors), and generally sh*tty management and maintenance. As we were moving out at the end of our 5 month lease, renovation was underway to replace exterior paneling and balconies, adding “curb appeal” to lure new tenants (suckers) to sign leases.

We then moved to a 1970’s vintage (pre-illegal Mexican construction?) individual building not in a complex. Much better quality of construction, very, very quiet. The “obsolete” elevator has been replaced, as will the rooftop deck neck year.

The new construction that is of any decent quality is in or near downtown, Highlands, LoDo, Cherry Creek, Wash Park, where the pretty young things like to pay high rents to be around all the other pretty young things.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-07 10:51:51

where the pretty young things like to pay high rents to be around all the other pretty young things

Yup.

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Comment by scdave
2012-12-07 11:22:06

Fascinating thing that hormonal reaction isn’t it…

 
 
 
Comment by The Dust Grinder
2012-12-07 17:53:23

Rental housing deteriorates just as much as SFH with a mortgage, perhaps faster. And the newly built housing is not going to be as low rent as the old stuff.

You work really hard a making this $hit up.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-12-07 09:11:05

Same old Houston.

They will eventually overbuild. They always do. But rents won’t come down. They will just stagnate at best with all kinds of “come-on” move in deals.

Comment by goon squad
2012-12-07 09:53:06

What happened to turkey lurkey?

 
 
 
Comment by goon squad
2012-12-07 08:01:07

Wall Street Journal - Resort Living Comes to Campus:

“Residents at a new rental community in Orlando, Fla, lounge around a resort-style pool in private cabanas. They practice their golf swings at the putting green and meditate in a Zen garden. Videogamers sip complementary coffee while playing “Call of Duty: Black Ops II” on a multiscreen television wall. Now, they’re facing final exams.

Welcome to University House, a $65 million private college dormitory that just opened near the University of Central Florida. Built by Inland American Communities Group, University House is one of the latest upscale communities sprouting up in college towns — including East Lansing, Mich, Tempe, Ariz, College Station, Texas, and others. Developers say that colleges provide a steady stream of new customers every year, and that students — and their parents– are willing to pay for luxury amenities.

Instead of bunk beds, cinder-block walls and communal showers, these newly built dorms off campus resemble apartments and offer a wide range of amenities, such as walk-in closets and custom-designed furniture. Everyone usually gets his or her own bedroom and bathroom, so the only sharing is in the high-end kitchens that often feature granite countertops and stainless-steel appliances.

Real-estate investors and developers, hungry for new areas for growth, are finding a lucrative and previously untapped market in these areas surrounding college campuses, one marked by low inventory, booming enrollment and an increasing appetite for luxury living.

These flashy residences aren’t cheap. At University House, located off campus, rates start at $665 per person, per month for a four-bedroom, four-bath unit. A student who wants to live solo in a one-bedroom unit pays nearly $1,000 a month. By comparison, two students can share a traditional dorm room on campus for about $550 each a month for the academic year. An on-campus apartment with four bedrooms and four baths costs each resident more than $800 a month.

On campus, “you never get your privacy,” says Nicole Ibinarriaga, a 20-year-old junior whose parents pay her $690 monthly rent, which includes parking, at the University House, where she lives in a three bedroom, three bathroom unit with two other women. “Now, I can take a five-hour shower and not worry about it, or take a bubble bath.”

Comment by Ryan
2012-12-07 08:11:50

I live down the road. The amount of student residential development on-going is unfathomable. Within the last year two 5-story apartment blocks have gone up on Alafaya Trail, they are clearly not dormitory style living, they have balaconies and the like.

Up the road on the other side of the intersection they are tearing down a semi-dilapidated strip mall that used to house area restaraunts and bars that the students frequented. The reason for the tear down? More student housing of course!

There is a ridiculous secondary education bubble going on right now as most are aware but the real estate folks have even found a way to cash in as well.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-07 09:38:06

I don’t get it. Most college students flee the pricey campus housing after their freshman year and rent cheapo apartments and houses. Who is supposed to rent those Taj Mahals?

Comment by goon squad
2012-12-07 09:51:12

Kids with rich parents like one who posted here about paying $900 per person to live with roommates in Austin while attending UT, that’s who.

The “college experience” of living on/near campus away from home for four years is reverting to (appropriately) being only for the wealthy. The Lucky Duckies who want a 4 year degree without debt will have to do it with some combination of community college, commuting from home, or taking longer than 4 years.

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-07 10:50:04

It costs my kids $280 a month each to rent in Greeley. And they each get their own room in the 5 bedroom rental house they share with three friends.

 
Comment by goon squad
2012-12-07 13:42:56

in Greeley

Which explains the affordability. As was our situation at State U in midsize Midwest metro area. Not so for State U in Austin, Westwood L.A., Berkeley, etc.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-12-07 08:30:19

These flashy residences aren’t cheap. At University House, located off campus, rates start at $665 per person, per month for a four-bedroom, four-bath unit. A student who wants to live solo in a one-bedroom unit pays nearly $1,000 a month. By comparison, two students can share a traditional dorm room on campus for about $550 each a month for the academic year. An on-campus apartment with four bedrooms and four baths costs each resident more than $800 a month.

Right now, there are something like 50 to 60 floors of this stuff in design or under construction in Tucson. I’m wondering where all the rich students are going to come from, because there aren’t THAT many affluent University of Arizona kids.

Comment by oxide
2012-12-07 08:45:14

“rich” = student loans that they intend to default on later.

Hopefully Congress will be aware of this nonsense if they ever consider making student loan debt dischargable in BK. I guess one route would be to make only tuition/fees dischargeable.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-07 09:39:49

Hmmm … most of my kids college peers aren’t that dumb. They know those loans have to be paid back.

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Comment by ecofeco
2012-12-07 09:13:51

Resemble apartments?

They ARE apartments. :roll:

Damn but I hate economic “journalists” almost as much as sports “writers”.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-12-07 15:31:56

A five-hour shower?

Comment by chilidoggg
2012-12-08 03:24:34

She’s really dirty.

 
 
 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-12-07 08:08:25

It is interesting we have the governments statistics out and they show strong job creation and a dip in unemployment. The private numbers from the ADP and Gallup show a slowing economy, this pattern of the divergence between the sources has been going on for several months. In my world, the private numbers seem to be more accurate. Now, just some background. The unemployment rate is set by a survey, which is how Gallup sets the unemployment rate. The job creation number is done by hard numbers although ADP does not have as extensive sources of data to arrive at the number so part of its number is a projection. Nonetheless, this gap should not exist. Have we reached a point in America that we could no more believe our government’s numbers than we can believe China’s numbers? I have to go but I will read the responses later today.

Comment by Ryan
2012-12-07 08:13:33

The truth is a very powerful thing, you have to be careful who you tell it to.

Comment by azdude
2012-12-07 08:20:21

A lot of folks have figured out it cheaper to stay home and not work.

especially if you have a kid. The cost to hire a babysitter takes most of your paycheck.

So a lot of people who dont have skills in demand and do not demand high pay are sitting at home collecting checks.

Comment by ecofeco
2012-12-07 09:18:06

Not really. Contrary to popular myth, welfare doesn’t last forever.

But you have the part right about entry level paychecks don’t even cover transportation and daycare these days.

I know quite a few people who lost their jobs because their car broke down or they couldn’t find a sitter or afford even the ghetto daycare.

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Comment by goon squad
2012-12-07 10:02:49

Dude, why are you such a buzzkill?

Everyone on the HBB is rich. And smart. And beautiful. And never have to interact with non-rich, non-smart, non-beautiful people. Everyone here is above average :)

 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-12-07 10:15:17

Actually goon squad, I do think everyone on this board is above average, at least in Intelligence. That is why we are on this board and not the DWTS board. If there is such a thing.

 
Comment by oxide
2012-12-07 10:29:33

You just had to ask, didn’t you…

http://beta.abc.go.com/shows/dancing-with-the-stars/message-boards#!/forum/1347059858-929-313

 
Comment by Ryan
2012-12-07 10:33:10

DWTS?

Dancing With The Stars? Or Down With The Syndrome?

 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-12-07 11:25:13

Thanks for the research Oxide, but that is one link I will not click on. I think it leads to a brain virus.

 
Comment by Al
2012-12-07 13:13:06

Shouldn’t the DWTS posts be under the ‘reasons for the fall of the Roman empire’ thread?

 
Comment by oxide
2012-12-07 13:17:25

No, that’s Honey Boo Boo.

Can’t seem to find a dedicated message board for her. Maybe there is hope for civiliazation after all.

 
 
 
 
Comment by scdave
2012-12-07 11:29:54

show strong job creation and a dip in unemployment ??

I wonder what that great USA Brain Trust that we have would say about that..Well, what you got to say Giuliani ??

 
 
Comment by oxide
2012-12-07 08:58:13

New poll out from Quinnipiac:

“Registered voters say 48 - 43 percent that President Obama and Congress will reach agreement on a plan to avoid tax increases and spending cuts set to go into effect at year’s end, the independent Quinnipiac University poll finds.

By a huge 67 - 23 percent margin, voters oppose eliminating the home mortgage interest deduction, but strongly favor, 62 - 28 percent, limiting the deduction to the first $500,000 of mortgage debt. By 56 - 35 percent, voters favor eliminating that deduction for second homes.

Voters 65 - 31 percent support higher taxes on households making more than $250,000 per year, with 84 - 14 percent support from Democrats and 66 - 31 percent support from independent voters. Republicans are opposed 53 - 41 percent.”

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What I find interesting about these polls is that the American public can now distinguish between “poor” and “rich,” and that these laws don’t have to be all-or-nothing. Just four years ago, if a Republican said “Obama will raise taxes,” voters assumed it meant everybody, i.e. them too. (And threw in a few references to watermelon to boot.)

Fast-forward through Joe the Plumber, Occupy Wall Street, and Ann Romney’s $77,000 tax deductable horse. Now people are wise enough to say that Obama will raise taxes on some people, or that the MID won’t be eliminated totally, just on second homes. This is a pretty big shift.

I think that shows up in the Quinnipiac numbers. Look at the last sentence, where even 41% of registered Republicans break with the leadership and support raising taxes on the rich. For a party that depends on the peons being in lockstep, that’s a bad sign.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-12-07 09:56:50

“By a huge 67 - 23 percent margin, voters oppose eliminating the home mortgage interest deduction, but strongly favor, 62 - 28 percent, limiting the deduction to the first $500,000 of mortgage debt. By 56 - 35 percent, voters favor eliminating that deduction for second homes.”

Just because voters are obviously susceptible to NAR propaganda doesn’t make the MID a good income redistribution policy.

 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-12-07 10:31:06

Government should not be in the business of buying or insuring private debt. This system is absolutely ripe for abuse, as we’ve witnessed in the education and housing markets.

A Proper Accounting: The Real Cost of Government Loans and Credit Guarantees
Published: December 05, 2012 in Knowledge@Wharton

While all eyes are turned to the U.S. government’s enormous debt, few have given equal attention to the massive costs and risks embedded in another of the government’s financial functions: its role as lender rather than borrower.

Flaws in the way the government accounts for its loans and credit guarantees understate the costs that taxpayers are bearing with student loans and other credit programs totaling more than $2.5 trillion, plus more than $5 trillion in mortgages backed by the federally owned companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. In fact, a proper accounting — like that required of most businesses — would make the government’s budget deficit even larger than the officially reported amount.

Student loans and mortgages backed by the Federal Housing Administration, among more than 100 other lending programs, contain potential losses that are much more costly than what current accounting suggests, according to the FER.

Buying Low, Booking High

Illustrating this process, the FER says that in 2009, the Treasury Department paid $220 billion for bundles of mortgage-backed securities purchased in the open market, and then reported a $5 billion gain by booking them at higher values produced by the lower discount rates justified by government accounting rules. “It is the same kind of deceitful accounting that would take place if you were to take over General Electric and discount all the cash flows at the Treasury rate,” Herring says. Doing that would make it look as if you had added value to GE overnight, even though you had actually done nothing except destroy value through government interference, he observes.

http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article.cfm?articleid=3126

 
Comment by sfhomowner
2012-12-07 12:11:08

It’s deja vu all over again

10 Least Affordable Cities to Buy a Home

Comment by 2banana
2012-12-07 12:42:55

El Paso Texas?

I give obama credit - he HAS re-inflated the housing bubble with the $5 Trillion in debt he borrowed.

Good for him. Good for the bankers. Good for the flippers.

I can’t wait to see even more McMansions being built on farmland.

And Joe Sixpack taking out huge home equity loans.

Liberate that equity boyz!

I think I just saw a Suzanne commercial…

Comment by goon squad
2012-12-07 13:45:18

give obama credit

It’s Bush’s fault!

 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-12-07 16:07:30

Bridgeport includes prices for Greenwich, about 20 miles away? Strange.

 
 
Comment by Ryan
2012-12-07 13:58:48

http://youtu.be/DL-a-r7iJIU

Some more welfare and student assistance fraud.

Comment by rms
2012-12-07 20:56:27

“Some more welfare and student assistance fraud.”

Three years and $70k toward being a musician?

He will always cost society money because he is not being realistic, and neither is the system that is promoting him.

 
 
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