December 19, 2012

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Comment by tj
2012-12-19 00:45:58

is anyone interested in a counter argument to the ‘printing money’ meme? (this is going to ruffle everyone’s feathers).

here is a recent series of posts by the guy i consider to be the foremost authority on the FED. he’s more than a little arrogant, but that’s easy to put up with for accurate info. i’ve been reading him for over 6 years, and i can assure you he covers more things in economics than peter schiff even thinks about, or knows about.

everyone says we’re ‘printing money’. he claims the net effect is zero. you’ll see his logic below.

there’s useful and accurate information in there for those that want to explore it. (there also a little entertainment mixed in). he tries to explain that no, or at least not much FED money ‘printing’ is getting into the economy. there were 2 or 3 questioners (i call them reluctant students) and i didn’t differentiate them as it would make no difference. you’ll see the depth of his knowledge in his answers. as a side note, he’s also a theoretical physicist and a mathematician. i suspect his IQ is off the charts. and as far as knowledge of FED operations go, he has no peer.

i made a couple side comments and naturally they’re preceded by “my comment:” one more minor thing.. he insists that saying just ‘FED’ is proper, not ‘the’ FED.. aaand a couple translations:

obama=babs, or DM
bernanke=berdoo, or gentile

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12/12/2012

CNBC survey : 64% of investors say FED needs to stop easing and let the economy reset.

It should be pointed out that FED is doing absolutely nothing. FED doesn’t set the ff rate because there’s no demand for reserves. The free market, such as it is, sets the rate at zilch.

On the money creation front FED hasn’t created a damn dime. They buy long and sell short, which results in zero reserves created. Doesn’t matter anyway since the reserves aren’t needed.

It astounds me why no one except me states these obvious facts. They’re obvious because the conclusions can be reached easily by anyone who examines the FED data publicly available. Instead, the most astute financial hohums, and everyone who ought to know better, buy into this mass of silly myths circulated by media.

We know why FED doesn’t admit these elementary truths. They want the myth to run as long as possible because the myth provides them with some kind of cover. Most FOMC members who have no clue about how things got to where they are now, that is, no fine knowledge of FED history, buy into the myth. I suspect Berdoo has himself hoodwinked too.

The question is this. Until recently “withdrawing liquidity”, selling fed funds to reduce the reserve base wouldn’t have much of an effect. No doubt the dealers driven by media hysteria would be able to get ff rate up to maybe 1%, but it would take a sustained period of selling probably a year in length before the string got taught.

same day:

questioner: “The Fed is buying mortgage securities and long term treasuries. The economy is not getting better.”

Whether it was in the past or recently FED hasn’t been buying MBS or Tpaper because the economy is not getting better. It’s all just a charade to fool the financial markets into believing that FED is there with accommodation. Proof: No money is being created and FED doesn’t “set” the fed funds rate. Unfortunately, you can’t see how that constitutes proof.

When I make that provable statement on Yahoo boards, or anywhere else for that matter, they all think I’m daft, or playing devil’s advocate. I’m not. It’s an overt truth that you can confirm by merely reviewing the data at research.stlouisfed.org/publications/usfd/

In some quarters the economy is getting better and others, it isn’t. The problem here is referring to the economy as an aggregate. That academic approach won’t work. If the aggregate is getting worse, how could there be rising strike activity? Germany is doing fairly well although trouble is coming for her. If things were not improving everywhere, Germany would not be doing as well as it is.

I said “recently” because FED can no longer push accommodation. Why? The cost of labor is rising. Today FED, Berdoo, said they’re specifying a labor rate target below which accommodation may have to be seriously removed. They made this change because they need long lead time and they see what I see, rising demands for compensation among those who don’t add value.

questioner: “It does seem like there will be a decrease in projected budget deficits when some type of cliff deal is made in the next few weeks.”

You’re not even in the city where the ballpark resides.

questioner: “But I am not connected the dots if any of the above is contributing.”

I provided that ditty about a price being determined by capital because I wanted to show that there’s a chasm between understanding what’s going on and what the media tells you. The media, Berdoo, have no economic capital. When I tell you that FED is feckless you don’t know what that means. You have no context to understand it in spite of the millions of words I’ve written over the years trying to explain how our CB machinery works. You haven’t assimilated the lessons.

later same day:

Germane to my previous post I happened to listen to Berdoo’s Q&A today. Usually, I don’t.

He didn’t answer any of the questions he was asked. He wasn’t dodging but rather, he was getting muddled in his own words which caused him to derail from the question. This was similar to the delayed effect that comes from smoking weed. The word fumbling was completely unacceptable for a public figure. It was embarrassing.

Also, he hid behind strict Keynesianism which ironically has miserably failed which he knows. That fact has left FED feckless, useless, and possibly counter productive. Control freakdom has failed. Berdoo is trapped in a liquidity trap of his own creation. He doesn’t know how to get out and this has shattered his confidence in a theory which he keeps embracing while rejecting the obvious alternative. Berdoo is finished, will soon quit, maybe before his 2014 stated retirement, although he’s determined to jump start the machine one more time.

Berdoo will jump back to academia and disappear into the ivy halls. Do you think anyone in academia at symposiums on finance at the graduate level or higher are discussing the significant fact that Temporary has been closed for 4 years? Hell, most of them don’t even know what Temporary is. What do they discuss? The same stuff you hear from Berdoo, the media, etc., that is, whether FED is going to raise interest rates or not. What imbeciles.

all the rest of the following posts were on 12/13/2012

questioner: “I don’t have the desire to try to navigate the stlouisfed site.”

You should go to that web page and enter to see how silly you sound. It’s merely a collection of monetary data charts that you might find very interesting.

questioner: “Of course Fed has been feckless for a long time now.”

No one at Berdoo’s Q&A today thinks that. That was evident in the nonsensical questions they asked. Of course, they always ask nonsensical questions. It’s part of the mass myth that passes as an economic dialogue.

questioner: “Who doubts that? Even if they WERE buying MBS what would that do?”

It would assure big boys that Fed is still in charge (of something).

you should go to that website..

questioner: “Fine but you’re a pain in the ass.”

Don’t post here if you can’t clean up after yourself.

http://research.stlouisfed.org/publications/usfd/20121207/usfd.pdf

questioner: “Ok it wasn’t so bad. I really didn’t think I’d be able to decipher anything.
Page 8 and 9 are what demonstrate no change in Treasuries or MBS over the past year.”

Well…pg 7 shows you Permanent changes(dark purple),e.g. QE2 pump from Oct 2010 to June 2011. MBS is the “operations focused on longer term credit conditions”. For the last 1 1/2 years FED has done nothing but sit on their balance sheet. No net transactions although you can see on pg 9 furious twisting activity. You can see there that they sold short term, 1 - 5 year Tpaper and bought the long term Tpaper. Shows how they ran out of 1 year paper.

questioner: “M2 and bank loans, on the other hand, are going straight up. What is the significance of that?”

M2 has risen $600B in one year, about 7% rate. It is composed of currency + demand deposits. Currency rose about $100B, so $500B is mostly deposits and savings since the other factors of M2 don’t contribute much. People prefer to keep their dough on deposit rather than invested in stocks, bonds, RE. Can you blame them? Where does M2 come from? People get up everyday and go to work. They get paid. They put the money in the bank, called demand deposits. One should note that according to my calculations labor productivity is zero. With 7% money growth we have 7 - 0 = 7% inflation potential.

C&I loans is up $100B. It looks more impressive than it is, or than it should be, but it’s proceeding normally. The demand deposits and currency sit under the loans. M2 is outside of FED. The C&I loan growth shows that the economy has been fully recovered for more than a year.

Earlier I was mentioning strike activity. You don’t get strikes during recessions. You get them during a late part of an expansion. That’s where we are now. The expansion has been muzzled by the damn devil ‘crats. However, Babs can’t be blamed for the unemployment which is in equilibrium, that is, at a proper level. To get it down the US corporate tax rate must be cut in half. Babs prevents investment and low grade employment, but that’s not so bad because with low grade employment, higher grade employment strikes for higher wages, and then you have inflation, the real deal, at 7%, and the market raises the cost of money.

my comment: although he seems to be making a contradiction about ‘the economy’ (in the first instance, not getting better, in the second, getting better) he really isn’t. in the first instance i believe he was talking about the USA economy, and in the second he was talking about the world economy.

questioner: “So in your opinion what should Mr B(ernanke) be doing now?”

Playing poker. Stop the facade. Say nothing. Or, if you must beat the gums, say, “I’m not giving out any money to anybody. If you want wealth, you’ll have to earn it”. Corporations have to think that they’re all alone, which requires them to be prudent. Materially, which is far less important than posture, since FED can do nothing except push on a string, stop the phony accommodation by taking a scrooge posture. Use this opportunity to get out of the disastrous eternal prosperity economic engineering game that so far has evolved to a point where FED’s actual constructive aspect is undermined. It’s all about the captains of industry anyway. Not about the paper tiger illusions of a magician.

questioner: “And what should Mr Investor be doing now?”

I already told you several months ago, and then have reinforced this with comments like those about FXI. There is no entity “the economy” in the aggregate sense of the past. There’s only individual corporations some of which are doing well and some, not so. Consider the DAX. It has broken out to an all time new high. All the other world stock markets have either done that, are bottoming, or are near to doing the same. This is no trading market. It reminds me of the markets of the ’50s. Same tension on the slow grinding way up. Hard to believe, isn’t it. Why is this occurring? No coordinated unproductive labor driven inflation(+rocGPL).

my comment: he said ‘unproductive’ labor driven inflation, because he knows that productive labor doesn’t cause inflation.

questioner: “Does your explanation explain why gold has traded sideways over the past 18 months?”

Gold is in a primary bull market. It’s just real slow, and like stocks, on the way up, it loses most of what it has gained. One should notice that if Berdoo had announced pumping yesterday instead of more charades, gold would be up strongly yesterday and today. Instead, the opposite has occurred. Gold can’t be fooled by a song and dance man.

The president takes credit for nominal economic gains, but they have nothing to do with his antics. His demolitionism has accomplished nothing but gradually drive people, individuals, away from government. Demolitionism does bring about an interesting phenomenon: smashes Lil Guy so the propensity to inflate is bottled, at least for now.

If FED wanted good economy, all they need to do is stay out and target zero inflation. Forget unemployment. They can’t control that to any degree. This was learned during the ’70s but was forgotten for many reasons, all of which have been given at this place. Employment improvement can’t be an objective of right economic policy. It occurs naturally and without side effect when the central bank insures integrity of money. What we have now is a circumstance(thank the grid locked monkeys in Washington) where default integrity is returning. FED can do nothing to ruin this circumstance, much to the chagrin of Berdoo. Berdoo’s prayer: “Oh please, let me wreck it, ONE MORE TIME”. Temporary has been closed for 4 years. Phenomenal. Don’t remember when I used to rant about stopping the interventionism, do you? It has been stopped by FED’s own persistent stupidity in abusing their tools. A little drink never hurt anybody, but if one keeps on drinking, one gets to a point where no more drinking is possible.

questioner: “Well you really made it worth my whille…your post is packed with information and explanation and I will save this and study further.”

You should study and cook up questions to ask me. For example, some of money or money like quantities feed back into each other. For example, deposits are used by banks to make loans which is part of leveraged money supply. Then the loans promote commerce whose outcome, income, is then put in the bank adding to the loan base. This process is outside FED and obviously existed centuries before advent of FED. So all by itself, not exacerbated by FED, it sounds like some fractional banking Ponzi a la 19th century. Why doesn’t this mechanism naturally evolve to chaotic transition to break down?

Further, wiki “money supply”. They have a concise discussion of what these quantities mean, if uninspired. One could go to Economagic and get longer term charts of these money like quantities, and charts of employment, prices, etc. Then one gets the right perspective. Everything that occurred before WW2 is unimportant. The application of eternal prosperity economic engineering started in the ’60s.

questioner: “In an unprecedented and surprising move, the Federal Reserve announced on Wednesday that it will keep interest rates near zero and will purchase $85 billion in bonds every month until unemployment falls from its present 7.7% to 6.5%.”

It is neither surprising nor unprecedented. Under Dual Mandate FED has labor rate targets, but in the past, prudently, they haven’t widely stated any particular one, and neither did they today. Berdoo said the 6.5% tipping point was tentative, dependent on conditions when and if it arrived. It could be 5.3% before they start removing. That’s hardly a target. Thus, they’re just jawboning, charading. FED is NOT in control of the unemployment rate. That was proved when QE2, unsterilized Permanent, failed to do anything except create a lot of idle reserves in the T accounts of members at their fed reserve banks.

When AG pumped in 2003 FED said they wanted to get unemployment down at least 2%, but AG knew they couldn’t waive a magic wand and realize it so they didn’t want to put out a specific target that may not be achieved. AG knew the ‘crats would be crying bloody murder and threatening FED independence if he set a specific target and missed.

questioner: “The new plan will maintain the $40 billion a month of mortgage-backed bond buying it began in September while adding another $45 billion in Treasuries.”

They had to go to MBS because they were running out of 2 year notes to sell.

questioner: “Where will the cash to bankroll the $85 billion-a-month bond-buying binge come from? The Fed plans to expand it’s $2.8 billion balance sheet.”

($2.8 trillion.) This statement is misleading. There is no monetary consequence from buying unsterilized MBS. You could think of it as moving dead bonds denominating nothing from one reserve bank to another. MBS is an asset that a bank can recognize as a reserve to meet reserve requirement, but it can’t be used as a reserve upon which to base a new loan. Within the parlance an asset must be qualified to be monetized.

questioner: “The new round of so-called “stimulus” is meant to replace the soon to expire “Operation Twist” program that shoveled $45 billion a month into long-term Treasuries funded by the sale of short-term debt. Since that effort failed to create economic growth, and the Fed has no more short-term securities left to sell, the Wall Street Journal says the Fed will “effectively print more money” out of thin air to fund the scheme.”

Notice how WSJ sidesteps the issue by using “effectively” when in actuality there will be no “printing”. Remember QE1? FED bought MBS without a twist. There was no monetary effect because it created unqualified reserves. FED said, “we’re going to move these assets off your balance sheet onto ours in order to free you up”. Why would the MBS be confining? Because it was both an asset(for reserve purposes) and a liability(for transaction purposes). That is, it was worthless as money. No bank would exchange money for the MBS given they representing non performing CRA unredlined loans.

questioner: “Why is the Fed foisting this newest round of “stimulus” on the American economy?

Because economists predict that last quarter’s anemic 2.7% economic growth figure will slide down to a near lifeless 1.2% this quarter.

Didn’t I, in an earlier post, point out that Berdoo, in spite of the fact that his eternal prosperity Keynesianism is a miserable failure, continues to apply it? It’s insane, or it’s hollow.

questioner: “Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke believes printing and pumping billions of new dollars into the U.S. economy while holding interest rates near zero until joblessness falls (unless inflation exceeds 2.5%) will help interest rates remain low and will jump-start investment and job creation. But mortgage rates and other loan rates are already at historic lows, and job creators have signaled that they have few plans to boost hiring.”

Earlier I said Berdoo isn’t doing that and didn’t say that. Please explain what “while holding interest rates near zero” means. Is FED preventing them from rising? If so, how? Temporary is closed. Temporary is closed. To prevent fed fund rate from rising (from demand by commercial banks) FED would have to increase the supply of reserves. This is done by buying short term bonds in the Temporary market. That isn’t happening. Temporary is closed. I might add, it’s unclear that FED can reopen Temporary under any circumstances. Commerce has adapted to not needing that kind of facility.

questioner: “Since 2008, the Fed has more than tripled the size of its portfolio of assets to $2.861 trillion.”

So what? Means nothing. You guys don’t seem to be able to comprehend that FED only influences reserves. Not money supply. Money supply is determined by the private sector, by commerce, by individual preference. Money supply is actually outside of the fed reserve system.

my comment: if you’d like to confound peter schiff, call his talk radio show and tell him the above. i’m sure he’d say you’re nuts.

Reserves only change the degree that commerce may stretch the buying power of available money supply(basically, demand deposits + vault cash). If there’s no stretching going on, FED is helpless. They’re outside.

Over the last 5 years they’ve proven that in spades. Temporary is closed. Permanent is feckless. The only reason FED doesn’t just shut down the FOMC because they have to go on with the myth, the charade, or else financial entities will lose their confidence in Big Boy, reincarnated JPMorgan, and then no one will be there to bail out those socialist entities. Oh dear. They’d be stuck with the RISK of free market capitalism. That’s what’s going on now. Lo and behold, they’re making money, and they’re making more than they were under l’ancienne regime.

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“Collectivism doesn’t work because it’s based on a faulty economic premise. There is no such thing as a person’s fair share of wealth. The gross national product is not a pizza that must be carefully divided because if I get too many slices, you have to eat the box. The economy is expandable and, in any practical sense, limitless.”

– P. J. O’Rourke

Comment by Ben Jones
2012-12-19 07:20:26

‘this is going to ruffle everyone’s feathers’

Not mine cuz it’s too long and I’m not going to even start to read it.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-12-19 07:34:24

Hah! My thought exactly.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2012-12-19 10:56:21

I just wish we could delete the post entirely.

 
 
Comment by Ryan
2012-12-19 07:27:14

Where do we find this guy?

Comment by Surfitall
2012-12-19 07:56:54

Seriously. You don’t give us a name, a website, a link to a blog. What’s the point? I’d like to read more. I find his rantings to be mostly unintelligible, but I’m willing to read more…if you’d only give info.

 
 
Comment by moral hazard
2012-12-19 07:35:18

I`m gonna try and post War and Peace.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-12-19 07:42:26

It’s done.

And you don’t have to read a 10 paragraph rant to access it.

War and Peace

Comment by moral hazard
2012-12-19 08:15:33

“It’s done.”

Then let’s go the other way.

The World’s Shortest Books

THINGS I DID TO DESERVE THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE by Barack Obama

THINGS I LOVE ABOUT MY COUNTRY by Jane Fonda & Cindy Sheehan, Illustrated by Michael Moore

THINGS I LOVE ABOUT BILL by Hillary Clinton

THINGS I LOVE ABOUT HILLARY, THE SEQUEL by Bill Clinton

THINGS I CANNOT AFFORD by Bill Gates

MY PLAN TO FIND THE REAL KILLER(S) by O. J. Simpson

HOW TO DRINK & DRIVE SAFELY by Ted Kennedy

My Life as a Fiscal Conservative by George W. Bush

Being Accountable-Barney Frank

George Foreman’s Big Book of Baby Names

“HONESTY & ETHICS” by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid

TO ALL THE GIRLS I’VE LOVED BEFORE - Barney Frank

EVERYTHING I DON’T KNOW - by Bill O’Reilly

THE ADVANTAGES OF MONOGAMY - by Tiger Woods

FRENCH MILITARY VICTORIES

GUN SAFETY by Dick Cheney

http://www.angelfire.com/ak2/intelligencerreport/shortestbook.html - 7k - Cached - Similar pages

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Comment by goon squad
2012-12-19 08:37:51

That’s really cute there Jeff Saturday. Especially the political jokes since we’ve never heard those before, not. You forgot a few:

“The Ethical Realtor®” by Lawrence Yun

“100 Years of Currency Stability” by Ben Bernanke

 
Comment by moral hazard
2012-12-19 09:39:25

Dilbert on goon squad

Topper on Dilbert.com
http://search.dilbert.com/comic/Topper - 71k

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-12-19 11:36:25

“The Ethical Realtor®” by Lawrence Yun

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 
Comment by michael
2012-12-19 13:39:12

dont’ forget his other book…”the wrong time to buy or sell real estate - how to know”.

 
Comment by Realtors are good people
2012-12-19 13:54:32

How to win the Nobel Peace Prize - Barack Obama
Humble Foreign Policy and It’s benefits - George W Bush

 
Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2012-12-19 18:34:42

How To Be Funny - Pauly Shore w/ forward by Dane Cook

 
 
 
 
Comment by Hi-Z
2012-12-19 08:15:04

“FED doesn’t set the ff rate because there’s no demand for reserves. The free market, such as it is, sets the rate at zilch.”

So why does the Fed meet and decide on the Fed rate if it is meaningless? And surprise, surprise whatever they decide, viola! there it is!

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-12-19 09:21:56

And why is the FED buying bonds, sold by the Treasury???? HMMM???
Simple answer: nobody with savings will buy bonds for 10 years that pay 1% interest. Might as well keep the money in cash.
IF the FED wasn’t buying, the auction would fail.
What next?
Higher rates to sell the treasury bonds.
Interest rates would necessarily rise.
That simple.
Take your High IQ genius economist and send him to Paul Krugman for coffee and a little tete a tete.

 
 
Comment by Rancher
2012-12-19 08:40:40

Where’s the link?

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-12-19 08:57:37

Okay, tj, I’ll bite.

If you’re going to post seeming non-sense, please at least provide some introductory context? For example we have this:

“…The problem here is referring to the economy as an aggregate. That academic approach won’t work. If the aggregate is getting worse, how could there be rising strike activity?…The cost of labor is rising…rising demands for compensation among those who don’t add value.”

Common sense and cursory observation tells us that the cost of labor is falling — and has been for at least the last decade as jobs are outsourced and productivity rises. You come back with “…in the first instance i believe he was talking about the USA economy, and in the second he was talking about the world economy….”

So the speaker is telling us that “Babs”, by whom he means the President of the United States, prevents investment and low grade employment outside of the US? Seriously? Tell that to China.

Point of clarification: What is your speaker referring to when he references “Temporary”? Is this the “borrowing” window forced on the banks in 2008?

He then goes on to tell us that productive labor doesn’t cause inflation. We’ve had this convo here on HBB before, but could you refresh my memory and give us your thoughts on this? Are we speaking macro or micro here?

Then there’s this little gem:
“…His demolitionism has accomplished nothing but gradually drive people, individuals, away from government….”

If I’m not mistaken, you’re usual comment is that people are FLOCKING to the government, not being driven from it. See how that “context” thing could be useful?

Finally, I must take exception to the following:
“…Everything that occurred before WW2 is unimportant….”

Please tell us how it this the “right perspective”?

Thanks.

Comment by joesmith
2012-12-19 09:40:16

I think the point about higher compensation for those who don’t add value is true. And its the mitt / koch brothers / job creators plan. Pay a ton for lawyers and accountants. Party a little as possible for labor. Send jobs outside the u.s. Acquire your suppliers and competition.pay your lawyers and accountants lavishly to do so. Support lower taxes, except when they’re regressive. Paint yourself as a bootstrapper and job creator but continue f-ing over the middle class all day everyday.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-19 10:01:26

So the speaker is telling us that “Babs”, by whom he means the President of the United States

Hmmm… I thought that “Babs” was either Barbara Streisand or Barbara Gordon.

An odd nickname for the prez, is he trying to say that Obama is a singer or a masked crime fighter (The Mighty O-Man?)

Comment by Realtors are good people
2012-12-19 10:41:29

Obama is a Grammy winner.

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Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-12-19 12:45:16

Just yesterday you said realtards are frauds.

 
Comment by Realtors are good people
2012-12-19 13:17:58

I said you are a fraud. I love realtors. I am bangin’ one right now. :)

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2012-12-19 14:08:35

Be sure to use protection. Realtors are easy. :)

 
Comment by Realtards Are Frauds
2012-12-19 14:46:47

But you said realturds are frauds.

 
Comment by Realtors are good people
2012-12-19 15:23:37

No she’s a sweet virgin realtor.

I have met her boss twice. Each time (few months apart) when asked about how’s his business in this economy, the bossman replied “I just had my best month last month.”
I almost broke out with a laughter the second time.

These days I am helping my girl with some canned answers like that. Doesn’t look like she’s cut out for the job, but we will see.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-12-19 15:29:57

The poor housing hooker. Hooking for dollars.

 
Comment by Dale
2012-12-19 18:54:20

“No she’s a sweet virgin realtor.”

Where did you get that? Always remember…Realtors are liars.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-12-19 09:16:19

I read portions of the post and skimmed through the rest. I’ve heard this argument many times before, about how the FED doesn’t control interest rates, etc., etc.
Most of the rest of the post was economic psyco-babble, based on the premise that everything the FED does is somehow “sterilized” and not having any effect, just working to psychologically soothe the traders.
Well, let’s cut through the crap. I have $100,000, and millions of others like me, do also. We want to invest in a safe return. I would gladly buy Govt. bonds if they paid anything of value.
They don’t. Why?
It’s NOT the market. The FED is front-running me and everybody else with savings.
IF their Auctions fail to generate enough money in Bond sales, then they would need to raise the interest rates. IF they raise rates, they will get more investors, like me, and other investors.
Instead of letting rates rise, they BUY up ALL the bonds in a money-swap: FED takes bonds, gives out newly printed dollars.
Investor’s dollars are by-passed.
This is holding “market rates” down.
It’s really that simple and I don’t need a 20 page discussion of how many Rube-Goldberg machinations somebody can devise to pass money through various agencies to get to the simple truth: The FED is manipulating interest rates by printing money. Period.

Comment by Dale
2012-12-19 18:57:34

I read most of this and thought….. wow, FPSS has a brother.

 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-12-19 09:22:52

You guys don’t seem to be able to comprehend that FED only influences reserves. Not money supply.

I think this guy is nuts.

So, let me get this straight: the MONEY that the FED shovels out the door in exchange for MBS is not part of the money supply?

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-12-19 09:33:19

No. It’s been “sterilized” because the banks are holding it in “reserve”.
Yah. Really. They are.
The government isn’t spending any money they get from the sale of treasuries, either.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-12-19 09:52:43

So, let me get this straight: the MONEY that the FED shovels out the door in exchange for MBS is not part of the money supply?

I think the point is that the MBS ‘money’ has already been created. When the FED buys the MBS, they pull it out of the economy, and replace it with an equal amount of money.

It then goes into their black hole, investors that should have been skrewed are made whole, but no ‘new’ money has been added to the economy.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2012-12-19 10:33:48

I think the point is that the MBS ‘money’ has already been created.

Except that that is BS. The MBS represents _debt_, not money. There was money created by all of the offsetting MBS debt, but that is separate from the debt, and is still flowing around in the global economy (or more accurately, has flowed out to China already).

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Comment by Rental Watch
2012-12-19 09:48:12

Didn’t read it, but if he’s on the side against the Fed actually printing in a way that does anything (inflation causing?), I’d be really interested in him debating Jim Grant (who is no slouch when it comes to Fed and Monetary Policy, and doesn’t share that view).

 
Comment by cactus
2012-12-19 10:37:10

So what? Means nothing. You guys don’t seem to be able to comprehend that FED only influences reserves. Not money supply. Money supply is determined by the private sector, by commerce, by individual preference. Money supply is actually outside of the fed reserve system.”

maybe ? What jumped the RE market then if not super low interest rates? Did the free market set interest rates this low or is it FNMA giving money away ?

anyway the person sounds like my ex-boss really fast , very smart and very sloppy I have to redesign many of his circuits.

Comment by mathguy
2012-12-19 13:27:36

BS.. money supply encompases debt issued by banks. The supply grows and shrinks as banks issue debt and cancel it when it goes bad. There is some equillibrium point that the supply is fluxing about as new debt is issued and bad debt is cancelled. An expansion of too much credit tends to lead to a shrinkage of money supply as the bad debt dries up.

What the fed is doing is setting a squeeze limit on the money supply contraction by making the bad into good ensuring the over expansion never contracts back to its smaller footprint. So yes, they are technically not creating “new money” and are just doing “reserve exchanges”, but they are preventing the cancellation of the bad MBS debt out of the money supply. Or rather, they are casting pearls before swine.

 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2012-12-19 10:39:49

tl;dr

However, here’s the gist. The Fed is trying to raise inflation concerns by doing inflationary things, like unsterilized bond purchases. The Fed’s pet sector is the FIRE sector (more like the FI sector, the physical RE is secondary to the bond market). So, by raising inflation concerns, by threatening to inflate away people’s savings, they “encourage” them to sink their money into something that’s perceived as an inflation hedge.

Real estate is a traditional inflation hedge. This is really where they want people to go. Gold is a traditional inflation hedge. And so are guns. And art. Scarce assets in general are considered good inflation hedges.

It’s that simple. That’s what the Fed is trying to do.

HOWEVER: Will they be really able to let inflation run? Especially with an increasingly graying population on fixed incomes and relying on savings? Half the Senate got voted out in the early 80s, in no small part due to stagflation.

Forget about intentional inflation being a stealth tax from savers to borrowers, the PTB don’t care about justice or fairness. But, think about the things that affect them individually - votes, staying in office, their crony sectors and future employers. On the votes side, I seriously doubt inflation will help them. On the crony sector side, does inflation really help the financial sector? Specifically the banks? That’s unclear to me.

But the threat of inflation is designed to have people spend now, on traditional inflation hedges.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2012-12-19 05:46:38

I could easily see that Ben wrote this article with all the research data that he has…From 2009 but about as comprehensive analysis of what happened in the housing debacle that I have read…

http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_homeownership.html

Comment by joesmith
2012-12-19 08:26:11

good find, thanks for posting

 
Comment by rms
2012-12-19 08:55:26

A nice flash-back, scdave. Gaming J6P’s basic necessities is nothing new for the parasites in suits. Little wonder that revolutions are unusually harsh on those with soft fleshy palms.

 
 
Comment by Martin
2012-12-19 06:15:53

Life will be as usual. RE will not drop significantly for another 3-4 years in metro areas like DC as fiscal cliff will be pushed down the road. I was hoping to buy something next March in DC area but hopes are dimming now.

Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-12-19 06:26:11

Tens of millions of excess empty houses won’t be hidden forever.

Comment by Ryan
2012-12-19 07:38:41

You keep saying this but nobody can answer the question as to what will bring about a change in the current status quo?

To me, it seems that banks are expanding their portfolio of foreclosed property with absolutely zero onus put on getting properties on the market. What, if anything, will drive them to put the property on the market?

If nothing will do that, than tracking the volume of foreclosures is pointless.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-12-19 08:24:27

They just need to hold out longer than you can. Sounds like it won’t take long.

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Comment by Ryan
2012-12-19 09:06:07

Perhaps, life has to go on. If this is going to be drawn out over a generation then I don’t see much point in waiting. I have a family and large dogs….it’s hard to continue renting.

That still doesn’t answer my question, I am trying to better understand the market mechanics. It doesn’t seem as though you have given the topic much thought.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-12-19 09:42:42

I’ve given the topic a lot of thought, I just didn’t need to give my response a lot of thought.

No one here can tell you how long it will take to unwind an 80 year credit expansion cycle. We already know that it takes longer than we want to wait. What you are saying is that you are more than willing to pay a lot more to own than to rent. You just don’t want to be silly on the timing.

So, decide what you want. Decide what you are willing to pay for it. Get on with it. Stop wondering what the failing banks are doing behind the scenes, it won’t be over anytime quick. Just don’t try to convince any of us who look at your numbers that you have made a good “investment”. Houses have a long way to fall.

I personally do not need a $200,000 dog, but everyone is different.

 
Comment by cactus
2012-12-19 10:49:10

Stop wondering what the failing banks are doing behind the scenes, it won’t be over anytime quick.’

Banks are not failing anymore. Merideth Whitney says they are buys now for whatever that is worth

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-12-19 10:56:39

“Banks are not failing anymore.”

That’s interesting. My daily coworker and colleagues best friend works directly for the Boston moneychangers. He’ll tell you you’re wrong. Very wrong.

 
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Comment by cactus
2012-12-19 18:31:51

That’s interesting. My daily coworker and colleagues best friend works directly for the Boston moneychangers. He’ll tell you you’re wrong. Very wrong.”

My brother works for B of A and used to work for Country wide and were bought , he makes way more money than me a lowly BSEE

He has a master’s degree in Physics which is werid for a bank programmer. Used to work for Nortel and now thinks high tech is unstable, over worked and under paid compared to banking.

My high tech employer will fail way before his bank will

Although we both may get replaced by Chindians before its all over

 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-12-19 09:50:09

One big deal happening in NJ and IL starting in 2013 is those judicial states allowing much more rapid foreclosures of vacant and abandoned properties.

Today, those homes are caught up in the courts as well as those who still have people living in them. Once those laws take hold (end of Q1, mid-Q2), there will be a more significant flow of the empty properties onto the market.

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Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-12-19 09:31:04

Empty houses die a slow water-pipe breaking, roof-leaking, mold and mildew infesting, termite eating, wood-rotting, insect partying, shingle falling, wind-storm breaking, tree -branch falling, snow-covered collapsing, endless calamity of seen and unforeseen disasters and destructions.

And don’t forget the “bandos”.

In the end, you get a teardown property, or a major investment to restore it.
Like most automobiles over 30 years old, most are not in “original condition”. They sell them as frame-off fully restored collectibles at high prices.

Comment by cactus
2012-12-19 10:53:17

Empty houses die a slow water-pipe breaking, roof-leaking, mold and mildew infesting, termite eating, wood-rotting, insect partying, shingle falling, wind-storm breaking, tree -branch falling, snow-covered collapsing, endless calamity of seen and unforeseen disasters and destructions.”

We will have a future shortage of homes as the empty ones fall apart ?

Deflation eventually causes shortages as manufactures go out of business.

Houses are too easy to build though and I doubt this will happen. We will see new housing like apartments take the place of older single family housing.

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Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-12-19 11:33:41

“Empty houses die”

Houses depreciate whether they’re occupied or not. Actually they depreciate faster if they’re occupied.

 
Comment by mathguy
2012-12-19 13:31:41

pimp.. I would argue that.. a broken window lets in water.. deferred maintenance becomes an exponential cost.. On the exponential scale, a small time frame may induce less cost for unoccupied vs occupied, but on a compounded length of time assuming zero maintenace, the aggregate cost will be much greater…

 
Comment by rms
2012-12-19 17:45:00

“Houses depreciate whether they’re occupied or not. Actually they depreciate faster if they’re occupied.”

+1 Next time my central air has a problem I will be forced to upgrade to the newer R-410A system and away from ozone-depleting R-22 refrigerant. Hey buddy, can ‘ya spare $5k?

 
Comment by tresho
2012-12-19 18:23:44

Hey buddy, can ‘ya spare $5k?
You might have to consider dropping central air.

 
Comment by rms
2012-12-19 18:32:14

“You might have to consider dropping central air.”

Not a chance. Eastern Washington’s climate is best described a too cold in the winter, and too hot in the summer. We have a total of maybe six weeks annually that might be comparable to coastal California weather. It’s a heck of a place to ride-out this bubble and depression.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-12-19 18:57:04

That climate sounds like hellish New England.

 
Comment by localandlord
2012-12-19 20:20:10

I vote for houses depreciating faster if they are unoccupied. yes they are more expensive to maintain if someone is living in them - occupants tend to like things like heat and running water (but not running too much). But there is income coming in when they are occupied - either rent or imputed rent.

Yes I know some houses are occupied by deadbeats and thus no income - do those get maintained? Probably not. We’ll call them zombie houses.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-12-20 00:32:33

“But there is income coming in when they are occupied - either rent or imputed rent.”

There is also presumably an occupant who cares about whether rodents have moved into the attic or the roof leaks.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-12-20 00:29:52

“Empty houses die a slow water-pipe breaking, roof-leaking, mold and mildew infesting, termite eating, wood-rotting, insect partying, shingle falling, wind-storm breaking, tree -branch falling, snow-covered collapsing, endless calamity of seen and unforeseen disasters and destructions.”

No worries, cuz the Fed owns the paper that backs the loan, and the principle is federally guaranteed.

So who cares if the real value of the collateral goes to zero?

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Comment by oxide
2012-12-19 07:24:00

From realtor dot com. Take with a grain of salt.

——————
What Will the Fiscal Cliff Do to Real Estate?

by Jason Van Steenwyk on October 23, 2012

“If [the fiscal cliff] comes to pass, the economy will be hit by a number of shocks happening almost simultaneously….
The combined effect of all three measures would cause home prices to fall by between 4.2 and 10.2 percent.

“But the effects of the cutbacks are not going to be uniform across the United States. Some communities will be affected more than others.

“Who’s Likely to be Affected?

Northern Virginia, Maryland and the District of Columbia. These folks made out like bandits from Obama’s stimulus money – most of which was routed through D.C.-area lobbying and contracting firms. But Northern Virginia also has a ton of military and defense contracting, from shipbuilding at Newport News to base operations at military installations all over the area, including Fort Belvoir, Fort Lee, and the Pentagon itself….

Sequestration is likely to cost Virginia 115,000 jobs, and Maryland will lose some 5.4 billion in research funding as well – which will affect the high-tech and medical industries there. .. Contractors will be hit hard by the cuts, and sequestration could lead to furloughs of federal employees as well.

[Warning! NAR Propaganda!]

A Buying Opportunity?

Do you have cash? Or clients with cash? The sequestration shock will be painful, but it will also present potential buying opportunities for patient investors. Remember, Washington, D.C. is a company town – and the company will never go out of business. And threats come and go. Following every military drawdown since the War of 1812, the U.S. has always had to remobilize to meet new military threats – and that’s not going to change. Meanwhile, the U.S. cannot simply ship its military industrial complex offshore as if Boeing made iPods. National security dictates that we must retain a base industrial capacity here on our own shores. And that is a sure catalyst for a renewed bull market in real estate in the precise areas that will be hit hardest by sequestration.

[end NAR propaganda]

“Outlook:
None of the above is written in stone. It is quite possible that Congress will reach a deal at the last minute, extending many of the important tax provisions… The economists at the National Association of Homebuilders are projecting that we’ll have a deal that will blunt the full effects of the Budget Control Act. But if the doomsday scenario hits, it’s going to hurt.

——————

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2012-12-19 07:35:13

‘Life will be as usual. RE will not drop significantly’

I got this in an email:

‘ An Uneasy Look at Office Space Demand

Tech Tenants Aside, Market Will Remain Weak for Years to Come

By David Shulman, Senior Economist, UCLA Ziman Center for Real Estate and UCLA Anderson Forecast

“Today’s office market headlines are dominated by places such as San Francisco, where a resurgent technology sector has encouraged developers to plan the first new office towers in years.

But the overall picture is much more discouraging. More than three years after the Great Recession officially ended and with almost no new construction, the national office vacancy rate remains at an elevated 17.1%. The recovery has been decidedly weak, and feeble demand is exacerbated by the restructuring of the office-intensive industries that drive demand, and by more efficient utilization of office space. Vacancy rates are likely to stay high longer than what most real estate professionals now expect, and we might be facing a lengthy period of excess capacity similar to the supply shock years of 1986-1992.”

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-12-19 07:44:56

“…lengthy period of excess capacity similar to the supply shock years of 1986-1992.”

I remember those years.

I knew less about economics than I do now, but I recall wondering about all those newly-built, empty glass-windowed office buildings around town: If they built all these new structures, why do they sit empty?

Comment by scdave
2012-12-19 08:51:55

I remember those years ??

As do I…Tax reform….S&L Crisis (simular to our housing debacle but with commercial RE)…

As far as office space, other than in super dense area’s, I just don’t see any path to a healthy vacancy rate…IMO, technology has delivered it a death blow…And when I say office I mean office other than medical….Medical offices are doing quite well at least around here…

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-12-19 13:09:12

“…I just don’t see any path to a healthy vacancy rate…”

I do. It’s called ‘affordable rents’ (as in lower rents for a glut of office space), with financial losses to the greater fools who overbuilt capacity.

 
Comment by scdave
2012-12-19 15:23:46

Thats logical Pbear but I thinking more on the lines of obsolesense …Many small companies just do not need office space anymore and there is a boat load of it out there…I see re-development of office properties all the time around here…In fact, PULTE Homes just tore down roughly a 20,000 square foot office building to build 13 new homes in 95008…

 
Comment by localandlord
2012-12-19 20:28:12

In Locaville downtown offices are being rebuilt as expensive condos or rental apartments. 1%ers love them.

Some of the suburban office buildings have been repurposed as trade schools or community colleges.

But then big box stores have been repurposed as office buildings. Bill collecting is a thriving business around here - that’s where you’ll find their cubicle farms.

 
 
 
Comment by moral hazard
2012-12-19 08:02:08

“and by more efficient utilization of office space.”

“The federal government owns tens of thousands of properties that are vacant or underused.”

Tom Graves on Tuesday, March 20th, 2012 in a press release

Graves: Tens of thousands of federal properties are vacant or underused

Nowadays, real estate and the word “glut” come hand in hand.

There’s been a glut of homes for sale. A glut in available commercial properties.

There’s also a lesser-known glut in properties owned by the federal government that it no longer needs or does not fully utilize. It existed years before the economy took a tumble in the late 2000s, according to the U.S. Government Accountability Office.

By U.S. Rep. Tom Graves’ reckoning, the federal real estate glut is serious enough to earn his vote on a bill that aims to save tax dollars by streamlining the process to get rid of those properties.

Graves is right. Tens of thousands of federal properties are vacant or underused. He earns a True.

http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2012/apr/20/tom-graves/graves-tens-thousands-federal-properties-are-vacan/ - 33k -

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-12-19 09:26:11

NPR’s “Morning Edition” just ran a story about home-based recording studios in Nashville. Right now, they’re illegal due to zoning restrictions in residential areas. There’s a move to change the local zoning laws.

The story noted that a lot of zoning laws were written to keep retail-type businesses out of neighborhoods. But, nowadays, a lot of businesses based in homes don’t attract customers. The work is done at one location and the customers are elsewhere.

Or, in the case of a recording studio, you’re not getting a parade of people in and out of the place all day and all night.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2012-12-19 10:30:23

Or, in the case of a recording studio, you’re not getting a parade of people in and out of the place all day and all night.

Are you sure about that?

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-12-19 10:57:30

Most of the studios I know of don’t have midnight recording sessions. And they’re also VERY soundproof.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-12-19 14:04:13

Or they are booked in 10-12 hour blocks…so very little traffic

Most overnight sessions are usually just the mix-downs,so very little noise or traffic

 
Comment by rms
2012-12-19 17:49:54

“Most of the studios I know of don’t have midnight recording sessions. And they’re also VERY soundproof.”

I once repo’d a BMW from a recording studio in Santa Rosa, CA at roughly 0300-hrs. The place was packed too!

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-12-19 22:52:12

Now THERE’s a story…. ;-)

 
 
 
Comment by Martin
2012-12-19 10:46:25

Ben, Could it be more people are now working from home.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-12-19 10:58:40

Thanks, Martin. That was the point I was intending to make. The NPR story about the Nashville home-based recording studios alluded to it.

Slim types the above as she’s working from home. Today’s project: Getting one of my two photography sites into better order.

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-19 12:21:34

At work we were told that we would lose our nice offices (not cubes) if we work at home more than 2 days a week.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-12-19 12:53:12

At work we were told that we would lose our nice offices (not cubes) if we work at home more than 2 days a week.

In my last FT job, I asked for a laptop so I could work remotely. After all, my boss had one.

I was turned down.

At my level, I was supposed to be in the office like the other little ducklings. Asking for a laptop was WAY to uppity.

 
Comment by Steve J
2012-12-19 13:12:28

Exactly, how would your boss know if you were working or not unless he could walk by and see you working?

/more like he was afraid of his job going away…

 
 
 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-12-19 10:51:55

And here you go!

It’s not easy to hide 20 MILLION excess empty houses.

“The Housing CPI Will Likely Continue Falling For The Rest Of The Decade”

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1071501-the-housing-cpi-will-likely-continue-falling-for-the-rest-of-the-decade

Comment by East-West
2012-12-19 11:49:30

Yes it is. 20 million out of 132 million total housing units is about 15%. That means that 85% are occupied.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-19 12:24:07

I wonder how many of those 20 million are in “out of sight, out of mind” places like Detroit?

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-12-19 12:25:55

And combine those 20 million excess EMPTY houses with another 35 MILLION houses vacated by the dying boomer demographic. Wow.

 
Comment by East-West
2012-12-19 13:38:41

The US population growth rate is ~.0086 or about 2.2 million people a year. Those 35 million people will be replaced before they are even dead.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-19 13:52:26

I suspect that a lot of those boomers will be passing their houses down to their lucky ducky kids.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-12-19 14:45:35

Population growth is the lowest in US History per 2010 Census.

Why buy a house now when you can buy later after prices crater?

 
 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-12-19 13:00:49

I agree with this assessment 100%. We look at all RE product types…office is our least favorite (there are too many alternatives to big office space utilization). More interesting are industrial/warehouse (more needed with growing population), needs-based retail (grocery, discount, etc.), and medical office.

Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-12-19 15:03:19

You’re misrepresenting once again Rental Pimp.

Population growth is the lowest in US history.

Why are you lying to the public about that?

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Comment by Rental Watch
2012-12-19 15:41:49

I didn’t qualify what the population growth was, only that the population is indeed still growing.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-12-19 15:48:20

And you conveniently left out that population growth is the lowest in US history.

You’re a liar and serial misrepresenter.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-12-19 17:30:26

The “lowest in history” is approximately 0.9% per year.

This still is approximately 2.8 million new people per year to use services, most of which require the use of some real estate.

The growth rate from 1960 to 1970 was higher at 1.1%, but on a much lower base (amounting to approximately 2 million new people per year during that decade).

I didn’t mention the rate, because it’s not relevant to my point.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-12-19 17:34:12

Lowest in history.

Stop lying and misrepresenting you liar.

 
Comment by PublicPersona
2012-12-19 18:39:31

Birth rates have dropped for the last few years. So in 30 years there will be fewer buyers.

There is an echo-boom coming into the market very soon.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-12-19 18:43:18

There’s an echo of a lie in that empty skull of yours.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-12-19 07:40:29

“…fiscal cliff will be pushed down the road.”

Seems quite likely, no?

But there is still no such thing as a free lunch.

Curiously, the following article almost suggests that Fitch may ding Uncle Sam’s credit rating unless a compromise to push the problems down the road is reached.

America’s Debt Challenge
Fix fiscal cliff or risk downgrade, says Fitch
By Mark Thompson @CNNMoney December 19, 2012: 8:31 AM ET

Fitch ratings agency repeated a warning Wednesday that it may strip the United States of its AAA credit rating if Washington is unable to strike a deal soon to avert the fiscal cliff and allow borrowing to rise.

Fitch said it was expecting a compromise to be reached to avoid $600 billion in tax rises and spending cuts taking effect on January 1, which could tip the U.S. into recession.

“If the negotiations on the fiscal cliff and raising the debt ceiling extend into 2013 and appear likely to be prolonged with adverse implications for the economy and financial stability, the U.S. sovereign rating could be subject to review, potentially leading to a negative rating action,” the agency said in a bi-annual report.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-12-19 08:31:34

Gotta love the irony!

Determined acceleration of national Debt = Credit Good.

Resistance to debt free for all = Credit Bad.

Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-12-19 11:28:56

Tens of millions of excess empty houses can’t be hidden forever.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2012-12-19 13:12:24

‘Fiscal cliff’ food fight underway:

Obama threatens veto of Republican plan, fiscal talks turn sour
Obama says still wants to get fiscal cliff deal by Christmas
2:11pm EST
U.S. President Barack Obama, with Vice President Joe Biden (L) at his side, speaks to members of the media in the White House Briefing Room December 19, 2012. REUTERS-Kevin Lamarque
By Matt Spetalnick and Mark Felsenthal
WASHINGTON | Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:52pm EST

(Reuters) - Progress in talks in avoid a fiscal crisis appeared to stall on Wednesday as President Barack Obama accused Republicans of digging in their heels due to a personal grudge against him, while a Republican leader called the president “irrational.”

 
 
Comment by moral hazard
2012-12-19 06:29:00

10 priciest cities for renters

By Polyana da Costa · Bankrate.com
Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Posted: 3 pm ET

Would you be willing to pay nearly $5,000 per month in rent? If not, don’t plan on raising your family in North Miami Beach, Fla. You might want to stay away from some Southern California cities as well, such as La Jolla, Santa Monica and Newport Beach.

These are some of the most expensive cities in the U.S. for renters looking for a three-bedroom house. In more affordable parts of the country, a three-bedroom home generally is considered standard for a family. But in some of these affluent cities, a three-bedroom house is a privilege the average renter can’t afford.

In North Miami Beach, the median rent for a three-bedroom, single-family home is $4,489, according to Rent Range, which compiles and analyzes rental market data nationwide.

The company provided Bankrate with a list of the top 10 most expensive rental markets for a three-bedroom, single-family houses:

Top 10 most expensive rental markets
North Miami Beach, Fla.: $4,489

La Jolla, Calif.: $3,922

Santa Monica, Calif.: $3,658

Newport Beach, Calif.: $3,550

Dana Point, Calif.: $3,446

Miami Beach, Fla.: $3,421

New York, N.Y.: $3,247

Rancho Palos Verdes, Calif.: $3,240

Bethesda, Md.: $3,225

Sherman Oaks, Calif.: $3,089

San Francisco, which normally tops the list of most expensive cities to rent in, ranks 16th on the list of three-bedrooms, says Wally Charnoff, chief executive officer of Rent Range. For one-bedroom homes, San Francisco ranks as the most expensive city, followed by New York, he says.

Why are these cities so expensive? As usual, when it comes to real estate, it’s all about location.

“They have geographic appeal, more economic stability, and they attract wealthier people,” he says.

Read more: http://www.bankrate.com/financing/mortgages/10-priciest-cities-for-renters/#ixzz2FVJZCTky
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Comment by azdude
2012-12-19 07:10:05

seems a little pricey but anything near the coastal areas people get all giddy about.

 
Comment by Spook
2012-12-19 07:44:05

“They have geographic appeal, more economic stability, and they attract wealthier people,” he says.
——————————————————–
Those are all important components, but going forward I think its necessary to introduce a new concept which I will call “the green zone” which equals safety and security.

If you don’t have that, none of the others can survive and thrive.

That recent “execution” in NYC around Columbus circle is a perfect example of a green zone; the proof is in the way people freaked out about a murder happening in broad daylight in that area.

The guy was a drug dealer who thought he would be safe interacting with his partners by booking a room in an $850 a night hotel room surrounded by white people.

Nice try dude.

Why was it national news when these events happen all the time in “other areas?”

The answer is because it wasn’t suppose to happen in that area because that area qualifies as a “Green zone”; in contrast to a “red zone”.

In these shifty economic times its very important to be able to determine the dimensions of a green zone before you purchase a house because green zones have been known to change to red zones.

BTW– someone told me the police are under no legal obligation to prevent you from being harmed by crime; is this true?

Comment by Ryan
2012-12-19 07:50:20

“BTW– someone told me the police are under no legal obligation to prevent you from being harmed by crime; is this true?”

Warren v. District of Columbia

Comment by 2banana
2012-12-19 10:53:04

Call for a cop and call for a pizza.

See which gets to you first.

But only a bigger and bigger government can protect you…

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-19 12:26:36

FWIW, the cops arrived so quickly at the school in Conn. that the killer shot himself, even though he still had plenty of ammo left. It is believed that he would have killed many more had the cops not arrived so quickly.

 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-12-19 12:55:04

Colorado, I am not faulting the police but he still had time to shoot up two classrooms and shoot the children multiple times. When an active shooter is immediately confronted by someone with a gun even when that person is seriously outgunned, the body count falls dramatically. On armed teacher and the count probably would have been less than half. For an example of that, see the Utah Trolley square incident.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-19 14:03:20

The idea that we need to be armed to our teeth is disturbing. That our teachers need to have a gun holstered at their side to protect their students is an indication that something is very, very wrong with our country. I am reminded of the biblical verse “he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword”

 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-12-19 16:46:34

Once again, your hyperbole is seriously over the top. No one is talking about being ‘armed to the teeth’, or having teachers carrying sidearms.
You live in a dreamworld.
We are simply saying that people with concealed carry permits should be allowed to carry anywhere they go, except perhaps Bars.
We agree drinking and guns are a bad idea.

the GUN FREE SCHOOL ZONE has resulted in more people getting killed than every instituting such a moronic law.
It prevents people from defending themselves whenever a nutjob shows up with a gun in a GUN FREE ZONE.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-19 17:32:24

or having teachers carrying sidearms

Excuse me, that is precisely what ADan suggested. And I have heard others (not on this blog) suggest the same, that the schools were targeted because they are “gun free zones”.

 
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-12-19 20:06:03

“The idea that we need to be armed to our teeth is disturbing. That our teachers need to have a gun holstered at their side to protect their students is an indication that something is very, very wrong with our country.”

It’s not about ideas, it’s about what’s real. The truth is that these suicidal maniac cowards pop a cap in their own heads as soon as they meet any resistance, or as soon as that resistance has them surrounded. You and only you have the ability and responsibility to give yourself a fighting chance in the event you are faced with a dynamic critical incident.

If more people resist, our society will become much safer. Please help out your fellow americans by obtaining a right to carry permit and taking the appropriate arms and scenario training.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-12-19 23:11:32

No one is talking about…., or having teachers carrying sidearms.

Michael Savage said exactly that on the radio tonight. Sorry, Dio. While I agree with you on some things, you are the one consistently in a dreamworld.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2012-12-19 23:14:00

‘Please help out your fellow americans by obtaining a right to carry permit’

The constitution doesn’t say we have to have permits from the government to carry arms. I don’t have a license for that reason. I don’t want to go along with their little registration. I can put a gun on my hip without any of that in Arizona. But I haven’t even seen my guns in many years because I haven’t needed them.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-12-20 00:36:49

The Constitution was written in the day when a “gun” was a musket. I doubt they would have included the 2nd amendment if they thought it would protect the right to own an arsenal of AK-47s.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-12-20 00:39:20

LOL, were you listening to Lefty Radio today?

In addition to listening to Savage (did I mention my looooooong drive back from Seattle?), I also heard some Norman Goldman who made this very point.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-12-20 09:10:17

The Constitution was written in the day when a “gun” was a musket. I doubt they would have included the 2nd amendment if they thought it would protect the right to own an arsenal of AK-47s.

The constitution was written in the day when the press was a very expensive piece of equipment reserved for the elite. I doubt they would have included the 1st amendment if they thought it would protect the right for J6P to spew his populist bile on the internet at all hours of the day.

 
 
Comment by Spook
2012-12-19 11:13:59

How many people who support gun control are aware of Warren v. District of Columbia?

The way I have been explaining it to people is that a police officer does not have to risk his or her life to save you.

He may lose his job but you have no legal standing for compensation just because he waited until after you were raped and murdered to arrest the criminal.

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Comment by ecofeco
2012-12-19 16:44:30

“BTW– someone told me the police are under no legal obligation to prevent you from being harmed by crime; is this true?”

Yes, it’s true.

Most people don’t know this. Amazing isn’t it?

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Comment by goon squad
2012-12-19 08:29:02

The only legal obligation of the police is to protect the property of the 1% from being harmed by crime.

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Comment by scdave
2012-12-19 09:52:52

WOW !!! A body cavity search right out in the middle of a public intersection… Don’t mess with Texas I guess….I hope the police department gets sued for 10 mil….All because he smelled MJ….My goodness…I don’t think I will ever go to that state…

 
Comment by Steve J
2012-12-19 13:23:15

I drive by there twice a day.

Mostly i see them pulling over black people driving ‘ghetto’ type cars. It’s a tollway, so those cars stand out quite a bit.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-12-19 16:47:56

Wow. That’s the state troopers no less.

Rut roh.

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-12-19 23:08:48

They hate us for our freedoms.

 
 
 
 
Comment by rms
2012-12-19 07:49:43

Would have been nice to see these 3/2 rental data juxtaposed with median household income.

Comment by joesmith
2012-12-19 08:32:10

Median household income in Bethesda, Maryland: $173,000

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bplive/2010/snapshots/PL2407125.html

Median home price is $730,000. No way you get a decent SFR for that price, though. You might get some rancher type thing that’s really in Silver Spring. Or else a small condo or attached house.

Comment by oxide
2012-12-19 12:07:26

Which price do you mean by “that price?”
$740K will buy a 4/3 on a little land in Bethesda.
$173K won’t buy an SFH even in Silver Spring, unless it’s a fixer upper or a really bad nabe.
Plenty of 1/1 condos sub-100K in Silver Spring.

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Comment by joesmith
2012-12-19 08:28:49

sadly, i can say that $3225/month doesn’t rent much of a house in bethesda. Usually the nicer 3/2’s I see for rent are asking $4500-5000 (which is still cheaper than buying, because a 3/2 in bethesda would still sell for 1MM. Half of my department lives in or around Bethesda and i’ve seen the purchase prices on zillow)

Comment by scdave
2012-12-19 09:55:14

Only the best for government cheese heads…

Comment by oxide
2012-12-19 12:09:35

Do you honestly think it’s government employees who live in Bethesda? MAYBE if you have a married couples who are both GS-15s — very rare. Even then their income tops out at $310K.

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Comment by East-West
2012-12-19 12:33:15

In his defense, he said “government cheese heads” which would include lobbyists, military, and other jobs not actually employed by the government, but mostly unnecessary except to insure that appropriate government largess goes to their employer.

Also $310k is double the median even in Bethesda, so it would only take 1 actual high ranking government employee to afford to rent there.

 
Comment by joesmith
2012-12-19 13:26:33

Oxide, most of BigLaw and BigBanking is funded by the regulations created by the gov’t combined with the need for big corporations to simultaneously comply with regulations while blocking or buying smaller competitors. None of this would exist without money flowing between the “invisible hand of the free market” types and the “government can fix everything” types. Both are necessary.

Also, I disagree that 700k will buy a really nice house in Bethesda. Show me these listings if you want? Like I said, I’ve zillowed most of our department and 1.1MM is probably the average. (of course that is for ~3000 sq ft on avg)

Read my other post again, I said median income in Bethesda is 173k/yr. Of course that number understates things because Bethesda has a decent portion of retirees who made their money in the past and can still afford to live in Bethesda only because of the Maryland Homestead Property Tax Credit (putting a cap on their real estate taxes, so the prop taxes they pay on a 1MM house are like a new buyer would pay on a 400-500k house).

 
 
 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2012-12-19 13:01:57

Location and vacancy (proxies for demand and supply).

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-12-19 07:46:51

So I heard an interview with the makers of Zero Dark Thirty, who casually mentioned that we (the U.S.) packed people on ice and froze them to death, “though that isn’t in the movie.”

Really!? Yeesh…

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-12-19 07:48:49

Bigelow And Boal, Dramatizing The Hunt For Bin Laden
by NPR Staff
December 19, 2012 3:49 AM

Boal: “This stuff didn’t occur over tea and cookies at the Regency. There were some really brutal things done in the name of national security over the last 10 years. … They also packed people in ice and froze them to death, but we didn’t show that.”

Comment by Arizona Slim
2012-12-19 09:30:12

I heard that interview.

And, after a largely sleepless night spent contemplating the fact that one of my very dearest friends was struck by a car while riding her bike at the same intersection where I almost bought it back in June, I was in no mood to hear about my tax dollars freezing people to death. Even if they were terrorism suspects.

I thought our country was supposed to be better than that.

As for my friend, she’s recovering at home with a concussion. Her helmeted head struck the car windshield so hard that the windshield broke.

And, to the driver who SAID that he didn’t see her because the sun was in his eyes, I call BS. At that time of day and in that part of Tucson, the setting sun was already behind a mountain.

Comment by ahansen
2012-12-19 10:27:12

Gosh. America’s war machine just makes me feel…so, well PROUD to be a Murkin! USA! USA!

As Ben pointed out yesterday, we call armed 20-year-old boys who blow up our children “psychos”. “Lunatics”. We shed huge tears and rend our garments in angst. But we call armed twenty-year-old boys who blow up other people’s children “heroes”.

Amazing, isn’t it, how flexible is our personal morality?

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Comment by goon squad
2012-12-19 11:03:16

The Iraqi terrorists attacked us on 9/11 because they hate our freedoms.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-19 12:17:48

But we call armed twenty-year-old boys who blow up other people’s children “heroes”.

But if they do it with a high tech drone, then it’s “cool” and that makes it OK.

At times I’m glad I live in flyover, because when our enemies finally get even with us, I suspect that our more high profile cities will be the ones to get it.(like last time)

 
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Comment by Steve J
2012-12-19 13:25:53

I thought we outsourced the ice deaths to our allies in Syria?

You know, the ones we condemn for killing their own people.

 
 
Comment by rms
2012-12-19 18:54:03

“And, after a largely sleepless night spent contemplating the fact that one of my very dearest friends was struck by a car while riding her bike at the same intersection where I almost bought it back in June, . . .”

I usually try and make eye contact before crossing in front of an automobile’s path, but it’s getting more difficult as it seems dark tinted windows are standard issue on many models.

Hope your friend fully recovers.

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Comment by michael
2012-12-19 10:25:37

whenever there is war…good and bad people will die in horrible ways.

war pretty much sucks.

Comment by Steve J
2012-12-19 13:26:59

What war?

We are blowing up people in Yeman and Sudan.

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Comment by michael
2012-12-19 16:03:51

it’s still “the war on terror”.

unlike what this administration thinks…not mentioning something does not just make it go away.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Spook
2012-12-19 10:29:21

Thats just diet torture.

Following the logic, REAL torture is when you do that to someones children or relatives…

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-12-19 07:51:45

If 99.81% of Americans are gonna be protected from a tax hike, why not just go all the way to 100%? Soaking the top 0.19% with a tax hike will do nothing to solve the ‘fiscal crisis,’ so why not just fuggetaboutit?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-12-19 07:53:59

What is Boehner doing with Plan B?… Three reasons why the move is so puzzling…
By Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, Domenico Montanaro, and Brooke Brower

*** What is Boehner doing? That’s our question after House Speaker John Boehner yesterday unveiled “Plan B” — legislation that would raise tax rates on household income above $1 million but keep them status quo for everyone else — which the House is scheduled to vote on Thursday. Is Plan B, which comes after President Obama made some of his biggest concessions in the fiscal-cliff debate (chained CPI, moving the income marker to $400,000), a way to strengthen Boehner’s negotiating hand with the White House? Is it to prove a point to his rank-and-file members that they can’t have their entire way in these negotiations? (It’s highly doubtful that Boehner even has the votes to pass Plan B.) Or is it a way to scuttle the talks with the White House? Here’s the answer from Boehner’s office: “Making sure we protect 99.81% of Americans from a tax hike.” What we’re watching today: Do Boehner and House GOP leaders spend more time trying to get votes for Plan B, or do they spend more time negotiating with the White House?

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Fl)
2012-12-19 09:40:08

What we’re watching today: Do Boehner and House GOP leaders spend more time trying to get votes for Plan B, or do they spend more time negotiating with the White House?

There is no negotiating with the White House.
Where are the proposed CUTS to spending?
hummm?
There aren’t any. There won’t be any.
There method of negotiation is the same as it’s always been: Give us more money, and then, later, we can talk about cuts in spending.
(chained CPI is not a CUT in spending. it’s a new accounting method).
Then, later, oh, that’s an old issue. We can’t cut spending. We can’t close the borders. WE can’t stop government fraud. We’re too busy running the country.
Stop bothering us with “budgets”.
You hate children, and on, and on, and on to nowhere.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-12-19 10:46:12

There is no fiscal cliff.

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Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-12-19 09:32:26

Because the .01 percent can give you almost half the revenue of the 2% raise with a small fraction of the damage to job hiring that you get with the 2% raise. Moreover, it is the billionaires not the millionaires that endanger our democracy and care more about world government than they care about the U.S. and its middle class.

 
Comment by Lip
2012-12-19 13:28:08

Its a lie, we’re all going to be paying higher taxes, just wait and see.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-12-19 16:07:07

Conservatives need to understand that millionaires create jobs in the U.S. and billionaires create jobs in China. The basic Republican philosophy of rewarding producers and savers is sound and much better than policies such as keeping rates artifically low to benefit debtors and consumers and creating demand by deficit spending.
As my contract professor use to say, never ride a horse too far in one direction. Those billionaires want consumption by debtors to consume the production occuring in China and other low wage areas. Most billionaires support Obama’s policies since they boast demand even if they do not create decent paying jobs.
Taxing billionaires makes sense especially since some more revenue is needed. Allowing them to retain more wealth does not help this country particularly the middle class in my opinion.

 
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-12-19 20:10:58

The middle class is where the big money exists, they will find a way to tap that resource. No private dollar will escape the global progressives.

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-12-19 15:30:36

Because those .19% own 90% of the stuff worth slapping a tax on.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-12-19 16:54:08

There’s an old saying: if you wait for the perfect solution, the problem will never get fixed.

Maybe we should also do away with laws because a lot of people just ignore them anyway?

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-12-19 17:35:12

If you fix a problem, without clearly identifying what it is, the problem will never get fixed.

Most, the vast majority of people, try to fix problems emotionally, and they haven’t a clue or time to wait to analyze what causes things, so their energies are misdirected and wasted.

Comment by ecofeco
2012-12-19 19:54:36

This is true as well.

Both situations are bad.

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Comment by goon squad
2012-12-19 08:01:29

New York Times - Suit Seeks to Overturn a City Drilling Ban in Longmont, Colorado:

“An industry group representing oil and gas companies has sued a city in Colorado that outlawed hydraulic fracturing, saying voters had no right to ban the drilling practice.

The measure, the first of its kind in the state, still allows oil and gas drilling within city limits, but it prohibits hydraulic fracturing, which has lifted energy production across the country but has raised concerns about water contamination.

The oil and gas association said the ban amounted to a prohibition on all efforts to tap the estimated $500 million in oil and gas resources locked in the rocks deep beneath Longmont.

City officials had been bracing for a lawsuit challenging Longmont’s right to make rules for an industry regulated largely by the state and federal authorities. Colorado officials opposed the city’s ban but have declined to sue to overturn it.”

Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-19 08:28:30

We are very dependent on aquifers here in the Centennial State. I’m sure that if a frakker ruined one they wouldn’t even say “sorry”.

Comment by joesmith
2012-12-19 08:36:47

They’ll get all the oil out of Colorado shale and send the real profits back to their masters in NYC.

But hey, at least it will create a few jobs for a while. Of course, these jobs probably won’t even be filled by CO residents).

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-12-19 09:34:24

Technically you get kerogen and not oil out of oil shale which then can be converted into oil. You do get oil out of shale oil. Many people confuse the two but they are different.

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Comment by goon squad
2012-12-19 08:44:31

If they do expect a sincere apology like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th3LtLx0IEM

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-12-19 09:07:55

One does wonder what qualifies you as a “small people”. Bent over at the waist, I suppose.

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Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-19 12:30:28

When the billionaires can come into your town, drill, spoil your aquifers and leave while laughing all the way to the bank and there’s nothing you can do about it, then you know that you’re “little people”

Drill, baby, drill!

 
Comment by Realtors are good people
2012-12-19 13:13:23

there’s nothing you can do about it, then you know that you’re “little people”

You can move to another town. One more reason not tie yourself with a house.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-19 14:10:18

You can move to another town. One more reason not tie yourself with a house.

What if you have a business or a good job in that town?

Are we just supposed to roll over for the robber barons and let them destroy the country?

How uniquely American! These colors don’t run, unless a billionaire tells them to take a hike.

 
Comment by Realtors are good people
2012-12-19 15:27:17

Are we just supposed to roll over for the robber barons and let them destroy the country?

How uniquely American! These colors don’t run, unless a billionaire tells them to take a hike.

Yes and yes. If you look at history it’s been always like this. This time is no different.

 
 
 
Comment by MiddleCoaster
2012-12-19 12:27:23

Then they could sell you bottled water. From China!

 
Comment by Steve J
2012-12-19 13:29:51

That’s a small price to pay to keep gas prices under $3.

 
 
Comment by joesmith
2012-12-19 08:34:50

If people in these places are going to allow drilling I’m going to sit back and laugh. As FPSS would note, it’s truly one of life’s pleasures to observe people act incredibly foolish and then pay the price.

Comment by moral hazard
2012-12-19 13:26:06

“it’s truly one of life’s pleasures to observe people act incredibly foolish and then pay the price.”

It would be but usually you observe people act incredibly foolish and then watch them get golden parachutes, HARP programs and Hardest Hit money.

 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-12-19 09:13:25

More Gun debates….

http://www.bustedinacadiana.com/2012/12/14-year-old-boy-shoots-armed-intruder-while-babysitting-siblings/

Mon, Dec 17, 2012

One person was shot following a home invasion at 55th Avenue and Baseline Road.

Police say a 14-year-old boy shot a suspect who was trying to break into his house.

The boy was with his siblings when he heard rattling at the door and people attempting to break in. He went upstairs to retrieve a handgun and as he was coming down the stairs, the door broke open.

The boy became face to face with a burglar, who pointed a gun at him.

The 14-year-old fired at the suspect, critically wounding him. The suspect was taken to an area hospital and released a week later.

Police are also looking for a woman who may have been involved and had come to the door prior to the invasion.

The suspect, Richard Fiore, was charged with aggravated assault and burglary.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-12-19 09:46:02

We really should outlaw home invasions.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-12-19 10:06:28

And stabbings. It is really interesting that many parts of the U.K have become like “clockwork orange” but we ignore deaths by knives and just point to gun deaths. We also don’t account for population differences both racial and overall population. Why not look at the Swiss rate of violence where people have access to fully automatic weapons but somehow there schools do not get shot up.

Comment by goon squad
2012-12-19 10:19:48

That’s Racist®.

Everyone knows the most effective deterrence against violence is more COEXIST stickers.

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Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-12-19 10:50:22

You need to have the Darwin fish on the car at the same time so people know that co-exist does not include Fundie Christian. They can be offended at will.

 
Comment by 2banana
2012-12-19 10:55:37

lol - funniest thread today

 
Comment by michael
2012-12-19 11:59:27

saw an illegally parked car with a “coexist” sticker on it wants.

apparently the asshat thought coexisting was great as long as everyone else was willing to put up with his/her bullshit.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-12-19 13:35:56

The really ironic thing is, the whole world crying and wailing about the slaughter of children publicized in the media, yet no one seems to want to outlaw scalpels.

Wholesale nation.

 
 
Comment by Spook
2012-12-19 10:33:52

Public executions please.

Or better yet, pay-per-view; we could use the money for school programs.

Can you imagine how much money a live be- heading would generate?

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Comment by Steve J
2012-12-19 13:31:25

How much?

 
 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-12-19 10:46:30

there= their. I have another post that seems to have disappeared, but it is more about Swiss experience.

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Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-12-19 10:47:51

Sorry it just posted. Also, google homicide rates and see how low we are compared to countries in South America and Africa.

 
 
 
Comment by ahansen
2012-12-19 16:42:43

LOL

 
 
 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-12-19 10:11:38

This is from a Reuter’s story Feb. 13, 2011:

Swiss voters have rejected a proposal to tighten the country’s relaxed gun laws.

With final official results yet to be released, a majority in at least 18 of Switzerland’s 26 cantons voted against the proposal to ban army rifles from homes and impose new requirements for buying other guns.

The proposal would have ended the Swiss tradition of men keeping their army rifles at home – even after completing their military service. Supporters of the reform argued this would have reduced incidents of domestic violence and Switzerland’s high rate of firearms suicide.

“This is an important sign of confidence in our soldiers,” said Pius Segmueller, a lawmaker with the Christian People’s party and former commander of the Vatican’s Swiss Guard.

The government had argued that existing laws were sufficient to ensure some 2.3m weapons in a country of fewer than 8 million people are not misused.

Opposition against the proposal was strongest in rural and German-speaking parts of the country, which tend to be more conservative and where shooting clubs are popular.

French-speaking cantons in western Switzerland backed the plan, but women and young people – who according to opinion polls favour more restrictive gun laws – failed to turn out in sufficient numbers.

“Women in Switzerland have only had the vote for 40 years, and yet they aren’t engaging in politics, even when the issue concerns them,” said Martine Brunschwig-Graf, a national lawmaker with the left-of-centre Social Democratic party.

Doctors, churches and women’s groups launched a campaign four years ago to force ex-soldiers to store their military-issued firearms in secure army depots. They also want the Swiss government to establish a national gun registry and ban the sale of fully automatic weapons and pump action rifles.

Gun enthusiasts say limiting the right to bear arms would have destroyed a cherished tradition and undermined the citizen army’s preparedness against possible invasion by hostile neighbours.

Dora Andres, president of the Swiss Sport Shooting Association, told the Associated Press this week that the measure would have killed off many of Switzerland’s 3,000 gun clubs, which she said are a pillar of community life in many villages.

Both sides used graphic images to make their point, with proponents producing posters showing teddy bears oozing blood below the slogan “Protect families”. Opponents’ posters have featured muscular cartoon criminals threatening the nation’s law-abiding citizens.

About a quarter of Switzerland’s 1,300 suicides each year involved a gun, according to federal statistics. The exact number of military-issued weapons involved is disputed, but those calling for tighter rules claim they account for between 100 and 200 suicides a year, mostly among men.

Advocates for tighter gun control noted that since Switzerland cut the size of its army in 2004, the number of firearms suicides among men aged 30-40 has been halved.

It is not known how many military-issued guns are involved in homicides each year, though Switzerland’s gun murder rate is relatively low – just 24 in 2009, or about 0.3 firearms homicides per 100,000 inhabitants. By comparison, the US rate in 2007 was 4.2 per 100,000 inhabitants.

Swiss referendums require a majority of both votes and cantons to pass.

 
Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2012-12-19 10:37:49

Huh, the Big Mac goes for how much? I have not eaten one of those suckers in decades. I opt for the el cheapo value menu meal stuff instead when I go to MCD about 3 times a year at most:

http://tinyurl.com/cc57vez

Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-19 12:10:34

Fast food burger prices have gone through the roof. I suppose the cloud has a silver lining, fewer calories will be consumed!

 
Comment by oxide
2012-12-19 12:15:54

I read about that on HBB some weeks ago. I was so surprised to see that McD’s “value meals” costs $6 that I actually had to go to a McD’s to see for myself. So I walked in, looked at the menu, walked out. Ye gadz, for that price I can make lunch out of organic grass-fed beef and veggies.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-12-19 18:46:10

I can buy a pound of local ground sirloin, really superb for burgers, for less than that value meal.

 
 
Comment by Hi-Z
2012-12-19 14:17:58

Nobody ever admits to going to McDonalds but they sell a whole lot of stuff all the time.

Comment by aNYCdj
2012-12-19 16:08:25

I’ll admit I love the 2 for $3 breakfast sandwiches, the McGriddle is my fave…but that’s it I haven’t had a big mac in years….its either breakfast or using the bathroom which always seem to be clean.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2012-12-19 17:02:42

Where HAVE you people been for the last 4 years?

I was telling you guys about inflation all this time and NOW you realize it? :lol:

Yeah, it’s even worse than that.

For me personally, inflation has been 100% across the last 4 years. My substantial raise was completely and totally neutralized.

It seems that EVERYTHING I need costs $50-100.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-12-19 18:52:03

Food has doubled, no question. Many do not realize because food is such a small % of our budgets in the US in general. It obviously is not because everybody has more surplus disposable money to spend. It is not due to inflation IMO.

 
 
 
Comment by Steaming pile of human feces
2012-12-19 10:57:01

Honest question:

If the FED is buying any MBS anytime, anywhere then why would lending standards not deteriorate rapidly? Isn’t a lender’s only worry that of being able to sell the paper?

Comment by Rental Watch
2012-12-19 12:50:55

The only thing holding back such deterioration are:

1. Some question as to what the ultimate QRM requirements may be, which affects what kind of mortgages banks will be able to put into MBS; and
2. The frequency at which MBS are formed and sold. Presumably for Fannie/Freddie paper, this happens all the time, in such cases Fannie/Freddie underwriting would dictate. However, private MBS are only structured fairly infrequently. IF you start writing garbage mortgages, and it turns out that the Fed changes their mind (or imposes some quality control, or the garbage impacts the credit ratings obtained on the MBS), you could be left holding the steaming pile.

What caused underwriting to deteriorate so extremely before was:

Ratings Agencies believing in the fuzzy math of CDOs, and thus creating massive amounts of AAA rated securities based on their belief that home values couldn’t go down;

And investors blindly buying because they were AAA rated.

I don’t think the AAA ratings are given as cavalierly today as they were previously…that is also a governor on poor underwriting.

 
 
Comment by Lip
2012-12-19 11:29:28

News Flash: Obama States that He has Offered $2 Trillion in Spending Cuts

He did this during his news conference to announce that Joe Biden is going to repair the nutcase problem in this country.

Finally, he’s seen the light!!!

Anyone have any idea what he’s planning to cut or how he figured he could say this?

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-12-19 12:03:54

“Joe Biden is going to repair the nutcase problem…”

!

Comment by oxide
2012-12-19 12:18:17

Does Joe Biden’s mouth qualify as an assault weapon?

(I’m going to assume that somebody made that joke already. Fruit hangs so low it had to dig its own hole.)

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-12-19 12:54:41

No, he’s a muzzle loader.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2012-12-19 12:53:37

I’m assuming that he’s including cuts that already took place during the debt ceiling debate last year. I think I remember hearing that’s how Obama was doing his “cut” math.

Comment by ahansen
2012-12-19 23:29:56

I believe O offered to suspend the cost of living increases in Social Security entitlements and cut medical reimbursements to Medicare Advantage. Big whoop.

 
 
 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-12-19 11:38:34

He did this during his news conference to announce that Joe Biden is going to repair the nutcase problem in this country.

Joe Biden is going to ban Hollywood?

 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-12-19 11:55:14

The importance of tax credits to wind power, the graphs you will need to find on the government website:

Source: U.S. Energy Information Administration, Monthly Update to the Annual Electric Generator Report (Form EIA-860M).
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Many wind projects are planning to come on line before the end of 2012, in advance of the possible expiration of a federal incentive, the wind production tax credit (PTC). It appears that wind developers are pushing to complete projects in 2012 to qualify for the PTC. Under current law, projects that begin operating prior to the end of 2012 are eligible to receive a 2.2-cent PTC for each kilowatthour of generation over a 10-year period. Similar behavior in the face of previous PTC expirations was discussed in an earlier Today in Energy article describing the history of the wind PTC.

EIA collects monthly updates on modifications, retirements, and additions to the nation’s fleet of power plants, including the planned date of commercial operation for new generators.

Wind plant developers reported increasing amounts of new capacity scheduled to enter commercial operation in 2012 as the year progressed. Even as completed projects accumulated during 2012 (see chart, dark blue bars), the amount of capacity expected to come on line before the end of the year continued to increase (light blue bars plus dark blue bars). As of November 30, 2012, the wind capacity planned to come on line by the end of December would account for approximately half of the total 2012 wind capacity additions.

Wind generators accounted for a significant portion of capacity additions since 2007 (see chart below), and were the largest source for generating capacity additions in 2008 and 2009. If all planned wind generators for 2012 come on line, as reported by industry participants, wind capacity additions could top 12,000 MW for this year. This would account for 45% of total additions and exceed capacity additions from any other fuel source, including natural gas, which was the leading fuel source for electric generating capacity additions in 2010 and 2011.

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-12-19 12:06:22

When this orgy of government malinvestment that pulls energy demand forward by decades to build stuff that does not have a positive ROEI, perhaps we could talk about conservation.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-19 12:07:23

With NatGas so cheap now it’ll be hard for wind power to compete. But, as the past has shown, NatGas prices won’t stay down, especially if they start to export it.

Comment by Steve J
2012-12-19 13:33:53

Dont bet on it.

There is plenty of natural gas in Russia.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-19 14:16:33

I recall some years ago when NatGas was cheap here. Then they built a pipeline and the price double almost overnight.

Heck, we could export it to Mexico via a pipeline. It wouldn’t even require a liquefaction plant.

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Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-12-19 12:34:50

If you pay current inflated asking prices for a house today, you’re going to lose alot of money. A LOT of money.

Comment by 2banana
2012-12-19 12:50:15

You sure about that??

We do have obama and ben for the next four years…

Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-12-19 12:58:45

Millions of empty houses can’t be papered over…. even with $100 bills.

Comment by Realtors are good people
2012-12-19 13:10:31

$1000 bills?

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Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-12-19 13:12:00

LoseALOT of money.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2012-12-19 13:11:46

$1 trillion in deficits and $1 trillion in QE PER YEAR is a lot of $100 bills…

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Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-12-19 13:04:37

From Politico, what a weather vane:

West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, who suggested earlier in the week that the time had come for some gun control restrictions, said on Wednesday that he’s “not supporting a ban on anything” and he repeatedly defended and praised the NRA.

“I’m not supporting a ban on anything. I’m supporting a conversation on everything,” Manchin said on West Virginia MetroNews.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/joe-manchin-im-so-proud-of-the-nra-85311.html#ixzz2FWvN8PaY

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2012-12-19 13:15:14

Let’s arm the school kids!

Police say an 11-year-old boy pulled a .22-caliber handgun on an elementary school classmate on Monday after his parents allegedly encouraged him to carry it for protection after last week’s shooting in Connecticut.
Sixth grader Isabel Rios said that it was during morning recess at West Kearns Elementary outside of Salt Lake City that the boy placed the unloaded gun to her and her friend’s head. Its ammunition was found in his backpack.
‘I told him I was going to tell, but he said, “If you tell, I’m going to kill you,”’ Isabel told KSL.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-19 14:12:23

What could possibly go wrong?

I’ll admit, it would have been hilarious if the classroom of 1st graders had all pulled out their guns and wasted the guy. But that only happens in the movies.

Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-12-19 14:15:04

Not sure why the posts are not posting but I will try again, this explains the low body count, once the armed people get there a lot of shooters off themselves to avoid capture:

http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2012-12-19 15:09:54

And that has what to do with arming children? My post was mostly tongue in cheek, because I don’t believe anybody who says “If the kids were armed, it wouldn’t be a problem!” are having a laugh about it.

That being said, some people I think SERIOUSLY suggest arming the teachers, which is stupid for a whole other reason. Your whole premise of an armed populace being able to deter crime rests on a few assumptions.

1) They want to carry the gun.
2) They have trained enough to be able to use the gun safely in a pressure situation.
3) The presence of the gun will not lead to an increased risk shootings.

How many teachers are going to be comfortable carrying a gun? I’m sure there are a few, but I doubt it will come close to even 20%. If they aren’t, and are forced to, they will not enjoy the mandatory training, will not maintain the weapon, and will likely stick it in a desk drawer or their locker where it is not under their direct control. Even if they have it, if they haven’t cared to do the training, or done it half heartedly, they aren’t going to be terribly effective, and may be more problemantic, shooting at every darting figure, including other teachers and police officers.

Speaking of police officers, they go through LOTS of training to deal with suspects with and without their gun drawn. I don’t want our teachers to have to treat every student as a perp likely to lunge for their gun, but they will HAVE to. You can’t spend 6-8 hours a day in a room full of people you expect to take your gun and open fire, so vigilance will drop. Even breaking up hallway squabbles will be problematic as the techniques cops use to subdue a suspect while avoiding allowing access to their guns will be considered abuse when inflicted on a 12 year old boy. But if they DON’T do it, and it’s the wrong 12 year old boy, it could quickly get VERY ugly.

Bar fights turn into shootouts if you add guns. So guns in bars and clubs are generally a bad idea. You can make an argument that the ‘good old boy’ watering hole has no problems like that, but as a rule, booze + guns + strangers in tight quarters = bad idea. Highschool and Jr. High kids are full of hormones (and often illegal substances) so adding ANY kind weaponry into the mix is a bad idea.

If you want to suggest arming schools, you have to do it in a way that isn’t completely nutty, but it’s much harder to lay out a rational argument for a gun-safe for any teacher who volunteers for training and maintains a regular training routine, so instead these people default to “If teachers had guns, none of this would happen!”

The truth is, if all teachers had to carry guns, things would be worse. If you want to argue for a more rational middle ground between “No guns allowed on schools” and “Arm all our teachers and students” you MIGHT be able to sway some opinions.

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Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-12-19 15:19:38

My point is that banning guns from schools does not make schools safer it makes them more of a target since these people as crazy as they are look for a soft target. They do not want to get wounded in a shoot out and captured because they want to die. We have tried to ban guns competely from schools and it has not helped, however well intentioned it made things worse.
Now, what we really need to do which is even more important than allowing properly licensed individuals from carrying guns, it to address our mental health system. From Heritage Foundation:

As sociologist Andrew Scull noted, the federal plans for treating the mentally ill individuals in the community turned out to be “castles in the air, figments of their planners’ imagination.”[1] John Talbott, one of the few American psychiatrists to focus on the magnitude of the disaster, summarized it as follows: “With the knowledge that state hospitals required 100 years to achieve their maximum size, the precipitous attempt to move large numbers of their charges into settings that did not exist must be seen as incompetent at best and criminal at worst.”[2]

The consequences of this failed experiment for mentally ill individuals, for their families, and for the public at large are legion. Mentally ill homeless persons live on our streets like urban gargoyles and expropriate parks, playgrounds, libraries, and other public spaces. Jails and prisons have become progressively filled with mentally ill inmates, thereby transforming these institutions into the nation’s new psychiatric inpatient system. Police and sheriffs have become the first responders for mental illness crises in the community and are fast becoming the nation’s new psychiatric outpatient system—“armed social workers” in the words of one law enforcement official.[3] Mentally ill individuals who are not being treated are responsible for approximately 1,400 homicides each year, 10 percent of the nation’s total, including rampage shootings such as occurred in Tucson in January 2011. To make matters even worse, we are spending over 100 billion mostly federal dollars on this dysfunctional system each year.

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-12-19 15:41:22

Teachers Union Goons, issued Glocks to keep the wretched refuse’s spawn under control.

Good thing they didn’t have this when I was in Third Grade. Crazy old Ms. Neff would have busted caps in about half of my class.

Another recommendation from the Archie Bunker “Don’t try to catch the hijackers, arm the passengers” School of Thought.

(When Archie said this in an episode of “All in the Family” circa 1970-71, he was considered batsheet crazy. Today, it’s recommendation #1)

 
Comment by tresho
2012-12-19 16:45:26

Good thing they didn’t have this when I was in Third Grade. Crazy old Ms. Neff would have busted caps in about half of my class.
LOL

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2012-12-19 16:53:33

Albuquerquedan,

I also feel the ACTUAL solution lies in mental health access and treatment, not in gun control, or in arming teachers/etc, so I think we agree there.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2012-12-19 17:05:55

Well Access and asylum….could be the same thing.

We need to go back to institutionalized care….yeah is not PC but it was a good Idea back when Geraldo’s Expose on Willowbrook to try and mainstream them, but today is far scarier

And with cameras and security everywhere….it wont happen again.

Maybe repurpose old military bases for this…they have barracks, hospitals and food halls and lots of space….

 
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-12-19 20:33:05

It’s your choice lady, with no security at the school you are and your students are potentially sitting ducks. So, you choose to beg for your life or offer some resistance. That simple.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-12-19 20:47:01

It’s your choicefuneral lady

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-12-19 13:41:48

While I was looking for the SLC case, I found this, how come we never heard about this?

UPDATE: We spoke with Nick, Casey, and Ashley late Sunday and got the entire, amazing story of Nick’s actions stopping the gunman in the Clackamas Town Center shooting.

Click here to read the full story of Nick’s heroic actions based on first person accounts

On Tuesday night 22-year-old Nick Meli went to the Clackamas Town Center mall with his friends Casey and Ashley as well as Ashley’s four month old son***. They were walking through the mall when a masked man, now known to be Jacob Tyler Roberts, opened fire.

Nick’s reaction? “I heard three shots and turned and looked at Casey and said, ‘are you serious?’”. Nick told Casey to get down with the baby and positioned himself behind a pillar in the mall. Oh yeah, Nick is a licensed concealed carrier in Oregon.

When Nick looked around the pillar he drew his concealed handgun. When the shooting suddenly stopped, what we now know was Roberts weapon jamming Nick saw him trying to clear the malfunction, “He was working on his rifle, he kept pulling the charging handle and hitting the side”, Nick told reporters.

Click here for the amazing full story of Nick’s actions that night based on interviews with Nick, Casey, and Ashley

Roberts and Nick clearly saw each other and as Nick lined up the shot, he knew there was a problem, “As I was going down to pull I saw someone in the back of the (shooter) move and I knew if I fired and missed I could hit them”.

Unable to safely take the shot without risking innocents (Colonel Jeff Cooper’s Firearms Rule #4 for those counting), Nick took cover inside a store. He stands by his choice not to pull the trigger, saying “I’m not beating myself up cause I didn’t shoot him, I know after he saw me I think the last shot he fired was the one he used on himself”.

That’s right… even though Nick never fired a shot, Roberts knew that he was no longer the only armed man in the mall. Roberts retreated into the stairwell, cleared his weapons malfunction and committed suicide rather than continue attacking and killing any more innocent civilians.

There is a famous saying that the only thing that can stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun. On Tuesday night, Nick Meli was that good man with a gun. Even without the shot being fired, he managed to change Jacob Roberts plan and help to save lives.

Let me just say thank you Nick.

Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-12-19 20:35:35

Thanks for posting that.

 
Comment by rms
2012-12-19 21:51:04

“…how come we never heard about this?”

Very few stories of armed citizens interrupting a violent crime ever appear in the MSM.

I recall a story in San Luis Obispo with a clear photo of a perpetrator’s bolt action rife lying on the ground, and the caption said, “Semi Automatic weapon seized by Police.” I emailed the reporter and his editor that it looked like “keyword propaganda” to me. The editor basically told me to f*ck-off, and that magazine fed weapons don’t belong in civilian hands.

Comment by rms
2012-12-20 00:18:29

Well, low and behold, I still have the email. The weapon in the photo was a old shot gun, not a rifle. But it damned sure wasn’t a semi-automatic weapon. Propaganda!

 
 
Comment by ahansen
2012-12-19 23:42:30

Dan, you keep touting this guy, but the problem is a lot more complex than just arming random citizens and expecting them to do the right thing at the right time without interfering with law enforcement or accidentally hitting the wrong person. The Gabrielle Giffords shooting serves to illustrate. Please read this article and get back to us?

“…I could have very easily done the wrong thing and hurt a lot more people,” said Zamudio….”

Armed bystander’s reaction in Ariz. shootings illustrates complexity of gun debate - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_17109372#ixzz2FZV84NDS

 
 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2012-12-19 13:47:56

The item I think I posted is from a blog the “Easy Bake Gun Club” so I cannot confirm accuracy but it might just explain on why the Portland Oregon shooting has so few victims.

 
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Comment by AZtoORtoCOtoOR
2012-12-19 15:01:46

If this mall was in Multnomah county, no one would have had a gun, much less a concealed one.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-12-20 00:18:27

This was covered the other day. I like how, in the blog story, it says Meli and the shooter “clearly” saw each other while the KGW story does not use this verbiage.

I’ll say it again…all you have is Meli’s account of the story.

The “clearly” comment is an embellishment made to authenticate the un-authenticatible.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2012-12-19 13:58:55

What is $12.75 billion among friends anyways? Especially when it bailed out the biggest obama supporters - the unions.

And this figure does not include the billions in the bailout of GMAC.

“Osama is dead, GM is alive, the U.S. Taxpayer is screwed.”

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GM buys back stock; taxpayers may lose billions
nbcnews.com | December 19, 2012 | Paul A. Eisenstein

General Motors will repurchase 200 million shares of its own stock currently held by the U.S. Treasury, with the White House announcing plans to sell off its remaining 300 million shares within the next 12 to 15 months.

The automaker will pay $27.50 for the shares it will acquire, a 7.9% premium over the $25.49 closing price on December 18, 2012 – but that is also a sharp discount from the $33 price set during GM’s initial public offering in November 2010. And it means taxpayers will lose billions on the sale.

Industry analysts had estimated a sale price of $53 would be needed to recoup the government’s full investment in General Motors, however.

But the likely loss of billions of dollars by the time all government stock is sold off – at the $27.50 share price, the ultimate loss would amount to around $12.75 billion – will continue to fuel debate.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2012-12-19 15:58:14

But…..but……. I thought the socialists in the Obama administration were committed to socializing everything?????

$12.7 billion for saving a giant percentage of what’s left of the US industrial (and tax) base? Sounds like a bargain to me.

$12.7 billion buys you GM, or you can spend around $10 billion plus, and buy a single Nimitz class carrier,and it’s aircraft (but no personnel to man either the aircraft or ship, no fuel/provisions)

Let the Chinese offer the US government $12.7 billion for GM, and see what happens.

Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-19 17:52:18

You don’t understand X-GS, he hates GM, not because its crucial to our industrial base, but because it provides good paying, middle class jobs.

 
Comment by Realtors are good people
2012-12-19 18:04:17

$12.7 billion buys you GM

For how long? 1 yr? 2 yrs?

 
 
 
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Comment by Rental Watch
2012-12-19 15:47:08

““There’s been a pronounced shift in foreclosures from the Sand States to the East Coast, in particular the judicial foreclosure law states with the longest time lines like Florida, New York and New Jersey,” says Mark Fleming, chief economist for CoreLogic. According to CoreLogic, Florida, as of October, now leads the country in terms of foreclosures with an 11% rate. New Jersey is second with an 8% rate and New York has a 5% rate. (In general, 1% is considered a healthy rate in a healthy market.)

The average time for a mortgaged home to transition from default to bank reposession in each of these three states has been over two years. Now those backlogged filings are pushing through the system at robust rates — in a wave of activity, if you will. New Jersey experienced 140% increase in filings in October year-over-year and New York nearly a 123% increase, according to RealtyTrac. Florida’s rate has been high for years, and while other hard-hit Sun Belt states like California and Arizona have seen activity decrease dramatically by about 35%, Florida’s rate has not.”

Hmmmm….

So, judicial states still have a long way to go, since they have had a big back-up in processing, but non-judicial states are now seeing big decreases in foreclosures…

Comment by Blue Skye
2012-12-19 21:02:12

Shock waves. Mind there is a feedback loop. It isn’t positive.

 
 
Comment by rms
2012-12-19 21:59:02

“A major reason the housing crisis was not staved off when the first warning signs manifested in the mid-2000s was the fact that Wall Street, Washington and even Main Street America had stopped assessing housing as what it truly is: a locally-based asset class, not a national one.”

No mention of any regulators being squeezed-out by greedy Wall street bankers and fed reserve’s corrupt chairman Greenspan.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2012-12-20 00:46:51

“Wall Street, Washington and even Main Street America had stopped assessing housing as what it truly is: a locally-based asset class, not a national one.”

Good thing this era is behind us now, as U.S. housing is no longer locally- or even nationally-based.

Rather it is now traded on the international asset markets like foreign currencies, thanks to the open encouragement of our own government to foreign investors in U.S. residential real estate.

 
 
 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-12-19 16:13:17

Wow…. just ate three quarters pounders with cheese, a fillet-0-fish and 2 supersized fries.

Comment by tresho
2012-12-19 17:29:05

Wow…. just ate three quarters pounders with cheese, a fillet-0-fish and 2 supersized fries
My condolences.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2012-12-19 17:33:27

You wouldn’t happen to be “The Master” from Dr. Who?

 
Comment by ahansen
2012-12-19 17:50:32

So THAT’S it….

Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-12-19 17:53:04

Yes hunger.

Comment by ahansen
2012-12-19 20:27:55

Or dyspepsia.

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Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-12-19 20:43:38

dyspepsia? No. The last time I ate was 5pm yesterday. Meetings, endless stream of douchebags in my trailer, nuisance calls, ducking and weaving subcontractors ontop of resolving technical issues related to pipe and pump installation and PLC/SCADA integration resulted in a very long day.

CRATER!!!!!

 
Comment by rms
2012-12-19 22:02:22

“Or dyspepsia.”

Uh oh, gotta Google that one. :)

 
 
 
 
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2012-12-19 20:38:21

“Wow…. just ate three quarters pounders with cheese, a fillet-0-fish and 2 supersized fries.”

That’s going to leave a mark. But I sure am glad Americans still have the freedom to eat what they want.

 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
Comment by Pimp Watch
2012-12-19 17:57:49

You pimping your lies over there too Rental Pimp?

 
 
Comment by tresho
2012-12-19 17:48:32

Feds temporarily halt seizure of Michigan Supreme Court justice’s home
Detroit — A federal judge Wednesday temporarily halted attempts by the government to seize Michigan Supreme Court Justice Diane Hathaway’s home in Florida, a possible sign Hathaway is considering resigning and pleading guilty to criminal charges stemming from a controversial land deal.
Hathaway is facing challenges on several fronts. The FBI is investigating Hathaway’s real-estate transactions, the state Republican Party has called for her resignation and the government is trying to seize the Florida home.
Hathaway and her husband were accused last month of committing bank fraud by hiding an asset to dodge $600,000 of mortgage debt on a $1.5 million Grosse Pointe Park home on Lake St. Clair.
It’s been nearly four decades since a sitting Supreme Court justice faced this type of legal scrutiny. In 1975, former Gov. John Swainson was indicted for bribery and lying to a federal grand jury while he was a justice. He later beat the bribery charge, but served a brief sentence for a perjury conviction.

To get a short sale, banks typically require homeowners to prove they are suffering a financial hardship and check for other assets, such as second homes.

Hathaway, who makes $164,610 annually as a justice, and her husband did not inform the bank they transferred the Windermere, Fla., home to a relative before applying for a short sale in 2011 on a $1.5 million Grosse Pointe Park home on Lake St. Clair, according to the federal forfeiture complaint.

Hathaway, a licensed real estate broker, has been under political scrutiny since May when questions were raised in a WXYZ-TV report about why she and her husband transferred two homes to Kingsley’s children before the short sale.

Comment by ecofeco
2012-12-19 20:01:37

Wowzers. :shock:

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2012-12-19 21:09:13

A Lying Supreme Court Justice and a Realtor! Combo Meal.

 
 
Comment by tresho
2012-12-19 18:22:39

Reuters: education is no longer the “great equalizer”
Americans came to believe over time that education could ensure that all children of any class had a shot at success. And if any state should be able to make that belief a reality, it was Massachusetts.

Over the past 20 years, America’s best-educated state also has experienced the country’s second-biggest increase in income inequality, according to a Reuters analysis of U.S. Census data.

Between 1989 and 2011, the average income of the state’s top fifth of households jumped 17 percent. The middle fifth’s income dropped 2 percent, and the bottom fifth’s fell 9 percent.

Since the recession started in the U.S. in 2007, the number of jobs needing a college degree has risen by 2.2 million, according to a recent Georgetown University study. The number of jobs for mere high-school graduates fell by 5.8 million.

Just to stay even, poorer Americans need to obtain better credentials. “Now, we’re in a situation where we need to educate everyone at the level of the elite in the past,” said Paul Reville, Massachusetts secretary of education. “We don’t have a system to do that.”

Between 2000 and 2010, Massachusetts ranked just 37th in job creation. “The best educated states were overwhelmingly mediocre in job creation,” a study found last year.

Between 1989 and 2009, the per capita income in Gardner, Mass., slipped 19 percent to $18,000. Gardner High School graduate Curtis Dorval dropped out of his university studies this year after his father, a Walmart worker, ran short of money. He’s working at a Walmart now, too, and then heading off to the military. Father David Dorval, 47, was laid off in 2009 from his job at an area hospital. Dorval, who has an associate’s degree, struggled to find work, and he and his wife divorced. Today he takes home $1,000 a month at Walmart in Gardner and pays half of his earnings to his ex-wife in child support. He goes to his 79-year-old mother’s house for lunch each day.

“I don’t feel like I am able to do what my parents were able to do,” he said. “My parents were able to support eight kids.”

When son Curtis Dorval was a senior at Gardner High School, He was class president. He was accepted by Northeastern University, a private school in Boston.

PRICED OUT

But Northeastern cost $50,000 a year, which Curtis, then 17, felt he couldn’t afford. Instead, he enrolled last year at the state-run University of Massachusetts Amherst, studying mechanical engineering. With the help of a scholarship for graduating in the top quarter of his class, Curtis paid $10,200 a year.

He got some help from his father, who had saved up $10,000 in stocks and bonds from his days in the hospital job. This summer, that money ran out and Curtis left UMass to enlist in the Air Force. He will serve as an airman - and hopes to use military benefits to pay for parttime university classes.

As earnings fell in Gardner they soared in Weston. In 1990, Weston residents made 3.5 times more than Gardnerites. By 2009, it was 12 to 1.

Harvard economist Ed Glaeser calls the widening economic and geographical divide in Massachusetts the new reality of a knowledge-based global economy. More than ever, innovation, growth and opportunity are clustered in large cities such as Boston. Let decaying factory towns become ghost towns. Instead of building better transportation links, Glaeser believes their inhabitants should be encouraged to move to the closest economic hub.

Weston town leaders say they are struggling to keep the town from becoming even wealthier. “We have three selectmen who are trying to find ways to diversify our population with affordable housing,” said Michael Harrity, chairman of the board of selectmen. “It’s difficult when lots are selling for $700,000 for teardowns.”

Comment by ecofeco
2012-12-19 20:05:23

It’s not just a “system”, but also the cold hard fact that not everyone is a rocket scientist and never will be.

Do we just let them eat cake?

Sending our jobs to other countries isn’t helping anyone pay for an education either.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2012-12-20 00:36:43

the number of jobs needing a college degree has risen by 2.2 million

Do they mean to say, “the number of jobs needing a college degree, that didn’t previously need a college degree, has risen by 2.2 million”?

Because I read what they actually (originally) said as proof that education still is the great equalizer, as in, there are more jobs being created for the educated set than the less-educated set.

Comment by Rental Watch
2012-12-20 04:23:45

I’m not sure I understand what they are getting at either.

More jobs for the educated…good if you are educated, right?

But more educated states have poor job creation…inconsistent with the first statement. Do they control for other data in the states?

Nationally, if you look at unemployment rate by education level, it seems pretty clear that higher levels of education is more likely to keep you employed.

Per the BLS, seasonally adjusted for November 2012 unemployment rates:

Less than HS Diploma…12.2% with a 45.3% participation rate (how many have given up?)
HS Diploma…8.1% with a 59.4% participation rate
Some college…6.5% with a 68.4% participation rate
Bachelors or better…3.8% with a 75.5% participation rate

 
 
Comment by Carl Morris
2012-12-20 09:18:40

It sure is difficult for people to recognize a bubble. And when they’re being played for suckers.

 
 
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