The Re-Emerging Frenzy Is Hijacking The Economy
It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Starts of new houses in the Dallas-Fort Worth area were up almost 48 percent from the fourth quarter of 2011. The number of new homes on the market in North Texas is at its lowest point in 14 years. Where have all the doubters gone? Until recently, whenever I’d write about signs of a turnaround in the troubled housing market, there were always a few magpies squawking about how things were really getting no better. Of course, the gains are not across the board. They never are. I recently heard from a Frisco homeowner who says his house is still worth about $40,000 less than what he paid for it in 2007, just before the recession hit.”
“‘We are upside down in our mortgage and really do not see our value going up anytime soon,’ he wrote. ‘We also have a house that is abandoned right down the street, so I think things are not as optimistic as you see it.’ Certainly they aren’t for this guy. And about 11 percent of North Texans with a home loan still owe more than their house is worth.”
“Real estate agent Alan Castillo recently listed a client’s fixer-upper in Granada Hills for $278,250. It was only 1,600 square feet — but it drew 128 offers, most of them in cash. The final selling price, after all of 10 days on the market? $377,872. ‘I was very surprised,’ said Castillo.”
“While that particular transaction may be an extreme example, it reflects a Southern California housing market that is emerging from the late 2000s crash. For 2013, real estate experts say it’s time to get ready for a new normal, or, perhaps more accurately, a new abnormal.”
“Florida led the nation in foreclosure activity last year, and Orlando had the second-biggest increase in foreclosure filings among the state’s major metro areas, according to a new report. The Orlando area had a 64 percent increase in filings during a year. The news comes as Orlando homeowners and real-estate professionals were celebrating a year that had ended with a small increase in the number of existing-home sales and double-digit percentage increase in prices. ‘The [foreclosure] filings that we see now are really not connected to the market, because they’re not going to get on the market for two years,’ said John Tuccillo, chief economist for Florida Realtors.”
“Francisco Molina, a struggling south Orange County homeowner, said Central Florida would not be besieged by foreclosures if lenders were more willing to modify their mortgages. Molina put $180,000 down on his four-bedroom home when he bought it in 2005 at the height of the homebuying frenzy. But since 2009 he has been trying unsuccessfully to get the lender to reconfigure his monthly loan payments so he can better afford them. ‘I have waited and waited and waited for them to approve it,’ the rental-car employee said.”
“A sagging economy and a lousy housing market have made leaving Arizona more popular than moving to it in recent years, a leading moving company’s statistics show. Here’s a Q&A on the migration issue with Marshall Vest, a University of Arizona economist who has tracked population data for many years.: Q. Why are more people moving out of Arizona than moving in? A. If you go back to 2003-05, there were several hundred more in-moves than out-moves in Arizona. In 2004, the difference was 845, which was the peak. What has changed since then is that the number of in-movers has dropped off significantly - the number of people who moved into Arizona for 2012 was only 53.5 percent of what it was in 2004. Out-movers have also declined, but only by 26 percent.”
“Q. Why are they both declining? A. It’s due to the decline in mobility that we’ve seen nationwide - it has to do with economics. People typically don’t move during recession periods because of the uncertainty about jobs. But on top of that you have negative equity positions for many peoples’ homes. Their homes are underwater because they owe more on the mortgages than the homes are worth. As many as half of mortgage holders in this and surrounding states that send us the preponderance of our immigrants - they have not been able to sell their homes. Therefore, they are unable to move.”
“So far it’s looking like a soft landing for Canada’s housing market, analysts, economists and realtors generally agree, despite the fact home sales were down 17.4 per cent in December over a year earlier. According to the CREA figures, almost every major Canadian city saw double-digit sales declines. With a typical house in Toronto now costing about seven times median income, and a staggering 10 times median income in Vancouver, the cooling of the market should allow wages to start to catch up, says Bank of Montreal economist Sal Guatieri.”
“‘If we do see the spring market roaring back, in some ways we would be comforted, but I think we’d be more worried about the possibility of a bubble and that could trigger a further tightening of mortgage rules which could hit as interest rates do start to move up over the next few years,’ he said.”
“Housing analyst Ben Rabidoux thinks it’s too early to know if Vancouver and Toronto can avoid hard landings and substantial price declines, given baby boomers aren’t driving sales in big numbers anymore and the new mortgage rules have knocked buyers out of the market. ‘It’s a soft landing at this point, but if we continue to see sales trends (downward) like this, it will impact prices. A soft landing and a crash both start the same way.’”
“Britain’s biggest house builder is in rude health. In a trading update on Wednesday Barratt Developments said pre-tax profits in the first six months should more than double to £45m. Contrast this with 2008 when the company almost went bust. But through the goodwill and economic sense of the taxpayer, via Gordon Brown’s office in the Treasury, Barratt was saved. The government told the banks to lay off indebted businesses, especially property firms (to save the housing market). It also came up with a £1bn lending scheme and grants for the building industry.”
“It wasn’t the only one. Hundreds of building firms eased their way back to health with government cash. The banks are doing the same, namely rescuing their old business models and executive bonuses with profits built on taxpayer support and overcharging customers. It seems governments of all colours believe the only way to kickstart the economy is to allow the institutions that made most of the profits in the boom – the banks and property developers – to get back on their feet with free money from the taxpayer so they can rip off their customers again.”
“It’s the same old problem and probably means another property/banking crash is coming down the track sooner than we think.”
“According to figures from the Beijing Municipal Commission of Housing and Urban-Rural Development, 260,000 flats (excluding government-subsidized ones) were sold in 2012, surging 67 percent compared to 2011. Figures from the Shanghai Urban Construction and Communications Commission showed that in December 2012, 1.1 million square meters of commercial apartments were sold, the highest number in 23 months. As transaction volume expands, property and land prices were also growing. Property developers are increasingly enthusiastic about bidding for land. For example, in land auctions held in Beijing in December 2012, land prices hit a new record high.”
“Independent economist Xie Guozhong thinks a recent recovery in the real estate market is not a true rebound, but the beginning of another bubble. ‘Sell your empty houses as soon as possible,’ he writes in his blog.”
“The re-emerging frenzy in the housing market indicates the housing regulations, which have been in place for years, have failed to achieve the expected results. It also shows there has been no fundamental change in the housing market’s speculative nature. Recent reports of the monetary authorities and the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences both say high housing prices have already seriously affected ordinary people’s livelihood and undermined their capability to buy a house. The excessively high proportion of income that ordinary people have to set aside to buy a house forces them to drastically cut their consumption in other fields, which is not good for the overall economy.”
“Skyrocketing housing prices have yielded considerable profits to developers, speculators and local governments. No wonder, some people’s wealth has increased at an astonishing pace within a few years. But the drastic rise in some people’s wealth and local governments’ fiscal revenues that a booming housing market has caused mean others, especially lower-income homebuyers, have to dig deeper into their pockets.”
“The pursuit of higher profits has prompted some people to channel various kinds of social resources into the housing market over the past decade, which is tantamount to hijacking the national economy to benefit the housing sector. The realty-dependent economic model has seriously hampered China’s efforts to change its industrial structure and transform its economic development strategy. It has also resulted in a series of social issues, ranging from serious uneven income distribution to corruption and hatred for the rich.”
“If the housing bubble continues to expand with the same momentum it has done in the past decade, the consequences will be devastating when it bursts. It would cause banking and financial crises - even economic and social crises cannot be ruled out. And if such a thing happens, it will push China into a decades-long economic recession, akin to what happened to Japan after its housing bubble burst in the 1980s.”
“In an article published in Your Investment Property’s sister publication Australian Broker last week, it was noted that the decline in home prices has already showed signs of slowing down, with some industry commentators pointing to recent RBA rate cuts as likely to ‘continue to feed through to the economy and have an impact, particularly on housing.’ But the Herald Sun’s National Economics editor, Jessica Irvine, says investors shouldn’t be swayed by trend.”
“‘To claim housing affordability has dramatically improved is kind of like saying today is stinking hot, so winter will never happen again. Interest rates move in cycles and the historical average for mortgage rates is about 7.5%,’ Irvine said. Irvine says housing in Australia remains expensive and says we ‘only have ourselves to blame.’ ‘A lucky generation of older Australians grew wealthier as house prices rose. But they did so at the expense of their children.’”
“‘A lucky generation of older Australians grew wealthier as house prices rose. But they did so at the expense of their children.”
This can easily be reversed. Let the price of housing come back down to reality.
How will the older generation be able to afford retirement if the value of their most important asset declines?
They can live off all of their other savings that they saved even though their house was going up unsustainably in value because it was the prudent thing to do.
You afford retirement when your most important asset isn’t a liability.
By that, I mean it doesn’t matter what the assessed value of your house is, as long as you don’t have a mortgage. It also helps not to live in a high property tax jurisdiction where you pay and pay and pay for heavy wages, benefits and pensions for unionized government employees.
It seems that more and more Americans are reaching retirement age while still having a mortgage. It’s untenable. It’s stupid. And we need to call these people “stupid stupid stupid” since it was social acceptance that allowed it to get this far.
Our political and economic leaders have worked tirelessly to ensure that stupid is the new smart. Their power and authority depend on it, of course. But when’s the last time stupid worked in the long term?
“By that, I mean it doesn’t matter what the assessed value of your house is, as long as you don’t have a mortgage.”
Totally wrong.
For a counter example, think about someone whose house is falling apart and who has no money left to maintain it, as he spent his last dime on an overpriced mortgage.
Let the price of housing come back down to reality ??
They won’t until this happens;
Interest rates move in cycles and the historical average for mortgage rates is about 7.5%,’ Irvine said…
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.” — Norm Franz
Alcohol, drugs and prostitution are the money of debtors.
My parents bought a Los Gatos condo in 1974 for $55K. Only a few years later, in 1979, they sold it for $195K.
My father was giddy with delight. “Isn’t this wonderful?” he asked me. I said no. “This means your three children will always be poor”.
My abusive alcholic father couldn’t understand this at all.
DFW is a cesspool of political corruption, shady deals and low wages. Those housing numbers are bogus in my opinion.
cesspool of political corruption, shady deals and low wages
The entire world seems that way now.
Correct. Heavy use of credit has created this environment everywhere.
“The pursuit of higher profits has prompted some people to channel various kinds of social resources into the housing market over the past decade, which is tantamount to hijacking the national economy to benefit the housing sector.”
I don’t know what this means. What “social resources” can be channelled into the housing market… what are the “some people,” and how does that result in “higher profit?” The only scenario I can think of is the government channeling money into Chinese banks so the banks pursue higher profit.
I think some of the Chinese articles don’t translate well, or maybe the writers are afraid to name names. But this guy is loud and clear:
‘Independent economist Xie Guozhong thinks a recent recovery in the real estate market is not a true rebound, but the beginning of another bubble. ‘Sell your empty houses as soon as possible,’ he writes’
Sell now, or get priced in forever!
There is an old proverb out there that goes something like:
‘The ripest fruit is the first to be harvested, the tallest tree is the first to be felled, the sweetest water is the first to be drunk and the loudest voice is the first to be silenced.’
That independent economist might want to watch his back…
A squeaky wheel gets the grease first.
And then is the first wheel to be replaced.
Agreed that the Chinese articles don’t translate well. I thought it meant people were having to spend less on the basics like food, medicine, etc. because housing had become so much more expensive.
Heh. Xie Guozhong must have some pretty powerful patrons to have the confidence to write that.
Oxide, I read “channel various kinds of social resources into the housing market” as a clear directive to implement propaganda. Social outlets like churches and newspapers and universities are supposed to promote the purchase of housing.
It’s worked. It’s worked everywhere, so why wouldn’t anyone want to replicate the model?
“While that particular transaction may be an extreme example, it reflects a Southern California housing market that is emerging from the late 2000s crash. For 2013, real estate experts say it’s time to get ready for a new normal, or, perhaps more accurately, a new abnormal.”
LOL — thanks for the early Friday chuckle!
I can’t wait for the shock and awe that will strike the SoCal real estate market when it dawns on the masses that this time really is different, and that this ‘return to the new abnormal’ was no more nor less than the residential real estate market version of a dead cat bounce, albeit in slow motion.
Anyone who prefers a more reality-based picture of the SoCal real estate market situation should go back to my Bits Bucket post from last Sunday, which uses data to eviscerate a UT-San Diego news article on how the San Diego luxury home market was “heating up” in 2012.
A summary of my analysis is as follows:
- The homes that used to sell for north of $40 million sold at most in 2012 for under $20 million (if memory serves, the highest home sale price all year was for $16.25 million).
- Several of the ten homes detailed in the article took as long as five years to sell, probably due to the owners initially listing them for more than twice the price for which they ultimately sold.
- This probably is too obvious to mention, but what the hey: Any home of lesser quality than those selling for north of $10 million should be repriced to reflect the ubiquitous relative drop in market value, as a massive drop in the value of the high end has a crushing effect on potential sale prices all the way down the housing market food chain.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-01-13 18:35:23
So after checking a few of these San Diego “top ten most expensive homes sold in 2012″ and finding much larger price reductions than the reporter disclosed, I decided to restate the entire table with corrections which are readily found on Zillow’s web site. Pardon the camel back notation:
Rank Address OriginalPrice Date SalePrice Date Haircut PctReduction
1 2928 Camino Del Mar $39m 5/27/10 $16.25m 6/14/12 -$22.75m -58%
2 6292 Camino de la Costa $26m 4/04/08 $15m 10/01/12 -$11m -43%
3 17576 Rancho la Noria $18.5m 9/16/07 $7,759,383 NA* -$10.7m -58%
4 1844 Ocean Front $21m 9/17/09 $9m 10/19/12 -$12m -57%
5 6343 Camino de la Costa $11.5m 11/10/10 $8.55 11/02/12 -$2.95m -26%
6 7348 Vista del Mar $12.5m 7/18/11 $8.5m 11/09/12 -$4m -32%
7 6314 El Apajo $19.999m 11/13/07 $8.0685m 8/31/12 -$11.9305 -60%
8 5019 Tierra del Oro $12.8m 11/11/07 $8m 4/20/12 -$4.8m -40%
9 5090 Rancho del Mar Trail $8.5m 7/07/11 $7.5m 8/1/12 -$1m -12%
10 303 Vista de la Playa $9.7m 4/26/11 $7.425m 12/21/12 -$2.275m -23%
* The UT-San Diego table shows a sale price of $9.2m, but Zillow shows no 2012 sale and indicates the home is not on the market. The current Zestimate™ is the value of $7,759,383 shown above, used to compute the price reduction off the initial list price.
Check this out:
Today’s Zestimate on the home at 17576 Rancho La Noria is $7,750,900. Since just last Sunday, the owner of this place has lost $7,759,383 - $7,750,900 = $8,483 dollars, or $8,483 / 5 = $1,697 a day by holding on to this falling knife for less than another week.
I hope to be wealthy enough In my next life to be able to afford to throw away thousands of dollars a day!
17576 Rancho La Noria, RANCHO SANTA FE, CA 92067
Not for Sale
Zestimate: $7,750,900
Rent Zestimate: $16,939/mo
Est. Mortgage:
$27,297/mo
See current rates on Zillow
Bedrooms:6 beds
Bathrooms:9.5 baths
Single Family:12,244 sq ft
Lot:183,387 sq ft
Year Built:2006
Last Sold:May 2008 for $12,500,000
“Rent Zestimate: $16,939/mo
Est. Mortgage: $27,297/mo”
That tells you everything you need to know right there. This house needs to fall by about 1/2 to be a good investment, maybe a little more (depending on how high the RE taxes are). And, BTW, you still have to pony up 1.4M to buy into this wonderful scheme.
What kind of bizzaro world can you rent a 7M dollar house for 17K a month? That should be the rent on a 2M dollar house (maybe).
Look at the title:
‘Time to buy Southern California real estate — if you can’
There is something about California. The media (reflecting the people in general?) seem to wallow in getting rich quick, making sure to smear those who ‘miss out’. Look at the culture in Silicone Valley, which practically worships pimply faced kids who become gazillionaires for doing next to nothing. Then the media fawns over their real estate ’savvy’ for paying millions for a little house on a hill, so they can look down on the loosers below. It’s all kinda nauseating really.
There is something about California. The media (reflecting the people in general?) seem to wallow in getting rich quick
How else are you supposed to be able to afford a house there? It sure won’t be from wages (unless you are a pair of “principal engineers, and even then it will be tight). If you’re lucky, your stock options at the start up where you work might be worth a few hundred grand someday, and then you can buy a place. This is why we left.
How else are you supposed to be able to afford a house there?
Anyone who asks that question obviously can’t afford a house there.
All the lies in the world will not be enough to hide the Joshua tree scars that a high-end home price collapse will eventually leave on many SoCal real estate investors’ skins.
If you don’t get rich quick, California will bleed you dry. It’s as much about survival as greed.
Well said, Russ.
It’s in the national interest to keep the price of the basics - food, clothing, shelter, energy, medical care - as high as possible.
But iPads - it’s in the national interest to keep those inexpensive.
Very interesting perspective….what do you think will happen in 10 years from now?
Hi New!
Well, for a glimpse of the future, let’s look at the web page you have there:
‘We offer 100% financing.’
So let me get my crystal ball out. I see, I see, people running. And they look angry. I think they are running toward, a uh, a model home! On the banner it says, ‘Live Well Homes’. Wait, I see a pitchfork. Do they still have pitchforks in South Carolina? And is that buckets of tar they are carrying?
That’s all for this session New. I can’t say how this is going to end, but there will be some pissed off homeowners.
“… but there will be some pissed off homeowners.”
And some bailouts in an attempt to appease them…
The Ca Homeowners Bill Of Rights went into effect Jan 01, 2013, and look at the inventory situation in So Ca. Bidding wars, a sense of urgency just to win the deal at any price, someone else is responsible for your financial vicissitudes. I hate these bailouts and rewards for bad behavior.
What ever happened to the concept we can’t afford it? I was raised to take responsibility for my life, even dumb decisions. Silly me.
“Well, for a glimpse of the future, let’s look at the web page you have there:”
Busted, down on Bourbon Street, Set up, like a bowlin’ pin.
Knocked down, it get’s to wearin’ thin. They just won’t let you be, oh no.
Truckin’, I’m a goin’ home. Whoa whoa baby, back where I belong, Back home, sit down and patch my bones, and get back truckin’ on.
“Real estate agent Alan Castillo recently listed a client’s fixer-upper in Granada Hills for $278,250. It was only 1,600 square feet — but it drew 128 offers, most of them in cash. The final selling price, after all of 10 days on the market? $377,872. ‘I was very surprised,’ said Castillo.”
What utter BS. Castillo listed it for a bidding war (I know the market stats) an proceeded to get all the idiot buyers to go nuts. He was surprised my arse.
Agents kept their mouth shuts while giving their buyers a case of hopium. We’ve been in those bidding wars twice (price not that below market), until the light went on we were being gamed.
“With a typical house in Toronto now costing about seven times median income, and a staggering 10 times median income in Vancouver, the cooling of the market should allow wages to start to catch up.”
What a bag of stupid. Allow wages to catch up to 10X median income? Does this guy know how long that would take? When was the last time we saw a bubble in wages?
” Does this guy know how long that would take? ”
Somewhere between 15-25 years, assuming 0 appreciation in RE during the same time period (depending on the inflation rate, of course).
So, no, to make a statement like that, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t realize how long that will take.
Most Americans have known inflation for most of their adult lives. Most in the home-buying generations have known serious inflation. It’s a meme that will never let go, now. They will keep betting on inflation while they live. Their children and grandchildren will know different.
Wages in the First World have to move towards the Global Median Wage. That means DOWN. While globalism is such a strong force, this is the reality. So in Vancouver and Toronto, wages will NEVER catch up. With outsourcing and offshoring, they simply can’t. That’s how you know housing prices are too high and must drop.
From the post: Why are more people moving out of Arizona than moving in?
My answer: Because our job market stinks out loud, that’s why!
Boston
Housing prices in Toronto are falling faster than they can report it - accurately.
From my little window on that world the condo market is already down 25% - and with 56,000 units coming on line - guess.
And if you think interest rates will remain low forever - I know of a bridge in NY - can I interest you in buying it?
I think all of Canada will see a 40% total drop over the next few years in housing. But our bottom will not go as low as yours did.
Ontario, a province with about 10 million people, owes three times as much as California !
We have lived a champagne life on a beer man’s salary.
If you make people think they can’t have something, they want it more. It’s one of those “hackable” elements of the human psyche. I once saw a toddler who wouldn’t eat a piece of food. A parent took away the food and said, “You can’t have any.” The toddler then whined and reached for the food and ate it all.
It was really an amazing display.
interesting stuff! I quickly sold my place in northern California in early 2007 in large part thanks to what I learned here (discounted it about $10K and got it sold in a week)….banked the proceeds then tried to buy again in 2011 and 2012 (in Santa Rosa, CA FWIW) but eventually gave up in disgust as my bids were ignored several times due to hordes of flippers and speculators offering cash. On the sidelines for now and am a reasonably happy renter…might be for the best if the California train wreck predicted by many does happen