February 15, 2013

Short Memories Of All Things Past

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “‘Housing is not a light switch, it isn’t flipped on and off … it’s more like a dimmer switch,’ said economist Elliott Pollack. ‘The lights are clearly coming on but we still got a long way to go.’ Another 40 to 50 percent more to go for housing prices, to be exact, he said.”

“One of the major reasons why the recovery is off to a sluggish start is because 40 percent of U.S. households are not mortgage creditworthy. In Phoenix, about 22 percent of single-family homes are rentals, which Pollack says won’t change anytime soon, and cash investors continue to dominate the market. Then there’s the whopping 39 percent of Arizona homeowners, and 22 percent nationwide, who still are underwater. This has been hampering people’s mobility and thus stifling their ability to move to Arizona, Pollack said.”

“Progress made in the industrial submarket, on the other hand, is misleading because the numbers really only reflect movement of a few major tenants. Smaller industrial space still is lagging and won’t come back until the housing market strengthens, he said. ‘There’s a boom out there somewhere — there really is — but it’s not 2013,’ Pollack said. ‘I believe (20)15 is the boom you’re all going to be waiting for.’”

“Overall U.S. condominium investment sales volume and the average price paid per unit for condo projects reached their highest levels in seven years during the fourth quarter, according to an analysis of preliminary CoStar transaction data. Late last year, condo investment sales quietly began to recover in gateway markets such as Boston, San Francisco and New York. The small thaw in the condo market has even reached Las Vegas, where investors have been buying up a portion of the plentiful distressed properties.”

“A November report on San Francisco housing inventory by the Polaris Group illustrates the dearth of condos in the supply pipeline. Constrained supply isn’t the only reason why the company is debuting its new multifamily division, Trumark Urban, in San Francisco. People are once again recognizing the value of buying versus renting in many urban markets. ‘We are several years post the housing bust, and potential buyers have short memories of all things past,’ noted Michael B. Cohen, multifamily specialist with CoStar’s analytics and economic forecasting company.”

“Chinese visitors are arriving in B.C. just in time to ring in the Year of the Snake – and Vancouver condo developers are getting a boost because of it. But potential Vancouver buyers should put aside fears that affluent offshore buyers will snap up a large share of the condo market, driving up price, said Nic Jenson, a condo marketer for Cressey Developments. ‘Don’t kid yourself. These people do live here, they’ve got family here, they’ve got children here,’ Jenson said. ‘Whether they choose to live here now or use it as a rental…it’s an extremely attractive investment for everyone.’”

“The Chinese year of the Snake registered a steady and robust property market in Sabah, according to Datuk Susan Wong Siew Guen, president of Sabah Housing and Real Estate Developers Association. ‘There is plenty of liquidity in our country’s banking system and as long as the financial institutions continue to provide 90 percent loan margins to the house buyers and the bridging financing to the developers, the property industry market will remain stable and prosperous,’ said Wong. ‘Our house prices are comparatively much cheaper than countries such as neighbouring Singapore, Korea, Japan and Hong Kong and a lot of investors from these foreign countries are coming here to invest,’ she added.”

“It was a good start to the Year of the Snake for Hong Kong’s property market, with strong sales of new homes during the Lunar New Year holiday despite recent cooling measures. ‘Buyers are upbeat about the outlook for the property market as they have already digested the news about the government’s housing measures and don’t think there will be any effective policies in the future,’ said Sammy Po Siu-ming, a director at Midland Realty.”

“Alan Lam, a businessman who often has to travel between Hong Kong and the mainland, was planning to spend about HK$7 million on a three-bedroom unit at Residence 88 for his family. ‘There’s always demand for homes in Hong Kong so it doesn’t really matter when you enter the market,’ Lam said.”

“Another local buyer, a Ms Chan, said she wanted to spend HK$8 million to move into a bigger flat in Yuen Long. ‘I’m not worried about more measures from the government as prices keep rising,’ she said.”

“Transcript of Finance News Network Interview with Professor Warwick McKibbin - Chair in Public Policy at the Crawford School at Australian National University and Former Reserve Bank of Australia Board Member. Lelde Smits: ‘Where do you see the key cash rate moving this year?’”

“Warwick McKibbin: Well it could move anywhere. If there is a crisis in Europe it could well go down. My guess is though that it will probably be more likely to be higher than it is today. And, the main reason is that these asset price movements around the world are beginning to become very concerning. Not just in Australia, but you’re seeing asset prices, particularly houses in Hong Kong and in Thailand, really pushing the central banks to tighten their policies.’”

“‘This is a global asset bubble being driven by very low interest rates in Europe, Japan and the US. And, Australia is not immune from that. And so, I think the Reserve Bank will really decide they have to respond, for example, to the recent increase in house prices in the last quarter of last year [Q4, 2012] which were quite surprisingly high.’”

“A new paper produced by researchers at the Central Bank of Colombia has found the country could be experiencing a housing bubble, according to tests run using a new method for detecting bubbles, developed in a paper by Phillips et al in 2012. The Colombian study is, the authors say, the second application of Phillips et al’s ‘new-fangled method’ after it was used last year in a study of the Hong Kong residential property market, which found ’striking results that significantly contrast with earlier papers on Hong Kong’s housing market.’”

“Spain and Ireland are the only two countries in Europe where house prices have fallen more sharply than in the Netherlands over the past four years, according to Dutch national statistics agency CBS. The drop in the Netherlands was 8.7%, in Spain 15% and Ireland almost 10%. By contrast, house prices in Norway and Estonia rose nearly 8.5%. Meanwhile, housing minister Stef Blok told Elsevier magazine on Thursday he hoped more foreign banks would enter the Dutch mortgage market and beef up competition.”

“In the past they had been surprised by the fact people can borrow more than the value of their homes, and at the popularity of interest only mortgages.”

“In New Jersey, the Trenton-Ewing region outpaced the national median with a 12.6 percent increase. Walter Molony, a spokesman for the NAR, said the 10 percent increase is above that seen in a traditionally healthy housing market, according to data going back to 1968. Normally, home prices increase 1 to 2 percent above inflation. ‘We’re seeing an over-correction in prices, but it’s not alarming,’ he said. ‘If it continued at this pace, though, ultimately, it would affect upward mobility.’”

“‘Our population has been growing faster than overall housing stock, so supply and demand dynamics are very much at play,’ Lawrence Yun, chief NAR economist, said in a statement. He added that more housing construction would be needed to relieve some of the pressure in the market and keep home prices from overheating.”

“Despite an anemic economic recovery, home sales in Connecticut increased in 2012 for the first time in seven years. Economists stressed caution, however, in drawing overly optimistic conclusions from the data, citing stalled job growth and political uncertainty in both Washington and Europe. ‘There is a lot of uncertainty in home prices. People seem to be gaining too much confidence in the rebound,’ Yale professor Robert Shiller told the News.”

“The report comes a year after Connecticut saw record-low home sales combined with a spike in state unemployment. ‘[There is] uncertainty about the outlook for the whole U.S. economy, which has been very slow to recover after the financial crisis, and uncertainties abroad too,’ Shiller said. ‘Congress is on an austerity plan, of the kind that put the U.K. into recession. We may yet eliminate the mortgage interest deduction, and government support for Fannie [Mae] and Freddie [Mac]. New regulations … make it harder for another bubble to gain a foothold.’”

“Shiller encouraged federal and state governments to avoid providing incentives to homebuyers, noting the possibility of a potentially destructive housing bubble. ‘As for encouraging potential homebuyers, I think that should be restricted to low-income homebuyers. We do not need to encourage the middle class back into another housing bubble,’ Shiller said.”

“There is now much media commentary that no sustained and robust recovery is possible until the housing sector recovers (that is, until house prices rise again). This desire to simply reinflate the collapsed bubble would likely yield the same disastrous result again. Another course would likely be more effective: restructuring away from so much dependence on leveraged, expensive, and speculative housing values. We should no more regret the demise of expensive housing than we should the decline of expensive oil.”

“Disciplined buyers — too long unfairly disadvantaged by government policies — are now sitting on trillions in savings that are earning, doing, and financing nothing. This money could clear the housing market, but only at lower, fairer prices. That would finally be ‘affordable housing.’”

“Manias begin in obscurity and pessimism, rise with confidence and imitation, reach a state of euphoria and finally end in tragedy. They often change history in ways that are not foreseeable.”




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Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-02-15 07:16:05

“‘Our population has been growing faster than overall housing stock, so supply and demand dynamics are very much at play,’ Lawrence Yun, chief NAR economist, said in a statement.

We can always count on Pinocchio Yun and his cast of liars for a monthly dose of hilarious tall tales.

Yet here we are sitting with 20+MILLION excess empty houses and contractors effectively undercutting resale housing prices by 30%.

If you buy a house at the current massively inflated prices, you’re going to lose alot of money. ALOT of money.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-02-15 07:28:29

“‘Our population has been growing faster than overall housing stock,…”

Blah, blah, blah…

As U.S. birth rate drops, concern for the future mounts
Haya El Nasser
12:53a.m. EST February 13, 2013
The nation’s fertility rate has slipped below replacement levels partly because of the recession and a decline in immigration. That’s raising concern about the nation’s future.

The drop in U.S. births to their lowest level since 1920 is sounding alarms about the nation’s ability to support its fast-growing elderly population.

As public concern mounts, a growing number of books, reports and columns are laying out challenges the United States will face because of this demographic upheaval: Fewer babies are being born while the wave of 78 million older Baby Boomers have only begun to retire (the oldest turn 67 this year).

 
Comment by joe smith
2013-02-15 07:47:44

Not to interupt, because I agree with virtually all you say here, but “a lot” is two words. I see you make this mistake “alot” [sic] and thought I would point it out for future updates of the RAL android app :-)

Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-02-15 07:51:00

That’s why I say it……. ALOT.

 
 
Comment by Mo Money
2013-02-15 12:56:48

“If you buy a house at the current massively inflated prices, you’re going to lose alot of money. ALOT of money.”

Or maybe I’ll make A LOT of money while you continue to post nonsense.

Comment by Carl Morris
2013-02-15 13:11:49

How many more rabbits do you think the Fed has in that big old hat?

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-02-15 16:12:09

Houses are losses even under the best of conditions.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2013-02-15 07:19:09

“‘The lights are clearly coming on but we still got a long way to go.’ Another 40 to 50 percent more to go for housing prices, to be exact, he said.”

Predicting another 40-50 percent decline strikes me as unduly pessimistic.

Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-02-15 07:31:33

It’s good to see a “housing economist” correctly come to the conclusion that housing prices are inflated by half.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-02-15 07:55:56

You’d think a few more of these stupid oafs would eventually come around, wouldn’t you?

 
 
Comment by joe smith
2013-02-15 07:45:49

I could see the avg house price being 40% lower in real terms 10 years from now.

In nominal terms? Seems very unlikely but hard to rule out, as there could be a massively influential world event during this period.

Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-02-15 07:49:29

Considering prices are falling, even in the absence of the massive excess inventory, a nominal 40% reduction is an underestimation.

The personal financial risk of buying a house in the current environment is massive.

Comment by joe smith
2013-02-15 08:32:41

So when you say 65, you mean in nominal terms?

I might have missed it, but I don’t remember anyone pinning you down on this.

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Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-02-15 09:05:33

Because you can’t.

Why buy a house today when you can buy later, after prices crater for 65% less?

 
 
Comment by Michael Viking
2013-02-15 11:05:29

Considering prices are falling

The bubble is re-inflating in my neighborhood and prices are not falling. A house near mine went up for sale and was sale pending practically before the for sale sign went up. The house was most likely a foreclosure. The family that had lived their a long time seemingly moved out overnight and it sat vacant at least a year. Then somebody spent a lot of time and money redoing the house inside and out. They just finished and it immediately sold. I imagine they made money on this flip. There’s another house about 10 blocks away going through an even more extensive remodel. They’ve added at least 700 sq feet to the house and double the garage size while moving it farther and to the side of the house. It’s essentially going to be a brand new house from the studs out. I can’t believe they will make money but we’ll see.

The market isn’t making sense around here, but you saying prices are falling over and over doesn’t make it true. I expect them to fall again in the future, but they are not falling here right now.

“Don’t buy now! You’re going to lose 100% of your money and 100% of your life some day”…a stopped clock is right twice a day.

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Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-02-15 11:12:58

Prices are falling in price per square foot. Denying it doesn’t get you anywhere.

 
Comment by PeakHubris
2013-02-15 16:22:54

The dearth of inventory on the lower end is leading to a higher median price. Too much emphasis is being placed on the median without looking into its constitution.

 
Comment by CA renter
2013-02-17 05:21:08

I’m seeing flips here where the flippers are asking for 50% more than what they paid…and getting it.

 
 
Comment by Mo Money
2013-02-15 12:58:09

“Considering prices are falling”

Not where I’m invested, going UP UP UP……..

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Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-02-15 16:10:40

“Invested”? Paying retail prices for depreciating assets isn’t “investing”.

Enjoy your losses….. you liar.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2013-02-15 19:18:19

Mo Money = lying shill. Don’t waste your breath on the fool.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-02-15 19:29:31

Good point. A known housing liar.

 
 
Comment by Tom Siechert
2013-02-15 17:56:50

Housing prices are not falling. They haven’t been falling since mid-2012 (at the latest). Prices are rising in the markets that had the largest price increases in the previous bubble, by large, highly unsustainable %’s, like 15-30% year over year, in most parts of California.

History IS repeating itself. I figure we are about at the year 2004 in this new bubble (the old bubble peaked in 2005, burst in 2006-8, and the largest price declines happened in 2010 and 2011.)

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Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-02-15 17:59:21

Prices are falling. In fact I just got off the phone with my counterpart in Fresno, CA and he stated that per square foot prices there are falling quite rapidly.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-02-15 19:08:32

‘Housing prices are not falling’

They’re falling in Flagstaff.

‘I figure we are about at the year 2004 in this new bubble (the old bubble peaked in 2005, burst in 2006-8, and the largest price declines happened in 2010 and 2011.’

So you’re saying this bubble we’re in (some call it an echo bubble, dead cat bounce; I say it’s the same bubble but that doesn’t really matter) will mirror the previous price movements exactly? I kinda doubt that.

 
 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2013-02-15 19:55:31

Folks, he’s not predicting a loss of 40%. He’s predicting a GAIN of 40-50%. That’s why he said the lights are coming back “on,” not off. And why he predicts a “boom” in 2015.

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-02-15 19:56:45

‘ He’s predicting a GAIN of 40-50%’

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to notice that.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-02-16 00:37:48

I confess to noticing it early this morning when I first posted, but pretending otherwise, in order to make the thread interesting.

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Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-02-16 06:12:06

Likwise.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-02-15 07:21:17

“Chinese visitors are arriving in B.C. just in time to ring in the Year of the Snake – and Vancouver condo developers are getting a boost because of it.”

Try not to let a foolish real estate investment bite you during the Year of the Snake.

Comment by snake charmer
2013-02-15 11:00:15

As the “snake charmer” I probably am going to be bitten myself this year. I’ve thought about changing my handle but it’s too well-established by now.

 
Comment by Lola
2013-02-15 18:15:38

“Chinese visitors are arriving in B.C. just in time to ring in the Year of the Snake – and Vancouver condo developers are getting a boost because of it.”

And that would be a big, steaming pile of bull pucky

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/real-estate-firm-confesses-after-employees-pose-as-buyers-in-news-stories/article8688210/

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-02-15 07:23:48

“A new paper produced by researchers at the Central Bank of Colombia has found the country could be experiencing a housing bubble, according to tests run using a new method for detecting bubbles, developed in a paper by Phillips et al in 2012. The Colombian study is, the authors say, the second application of Phillips et al’s ‘new-fangled method’ after it was used last year in a study of the Hong Kong residential property market, which found ’striking results that significantly contrast with earlier papers on Hong Kong’s housing market.’”

Colombia must have unusually bright central bankers, if they are sufficiently competent to notice a housing bubble forming right under their noses.

Comment by snake charmer
2013-02-15 11:15:51

Sadly, Colombia’s central bankers are part of the global consensus, regardless of what their researchers might conclude. On the subject of Bogotá in particular, here’s an opinion from a local expat:

“To live here is to pay more for a meal, an apartment and public services than living in Santiago, Mexico City and Buenos Aires. It may come as a surprise that the cost of living in this nation’s capital is higher than that of Amsterdam, Toronto and Dubai according to the 2012 Mercer report, which placed Bogotá at 53 of the 214 cities.

The ranking by Mercer is more than a game of numbers. To live in Bogotá is to bear the brunt of high prices: everything from renting a studio apartment to buying groceries at your local supermarket. The square meter for a new apartment in Rosales or Santa Ana can be priced at $8 million pesos, or roughly U.S. $4,500. Take then a 100 sq meter apartment and you are looking at U.S. $450,000 with a 30 percent down payment.

The country’s banks have played a part in driving up the debt by easing credit. Facing economic slow down in exports from the country’s industrial sector, the central bank lowered this month its lending rate a quarter of a point to 4 percent.

http://thecitypaperbogota.com/opinion/bubble-to-burst/

Granted, Rosales and Santa Ana are two of the wealthiest neighborhoods there. But those prices still are outrageous in a city where half the population earns $2 per day and where guerrilla warfare is taking place less than 200 kilometers away.

Comment by JimO
2013-02-15 15:06:17

Same situation in Peru. Credit growth is spectacular, fed in part by ‘hot’ money looking for yield. Construction everywhere with increased reports of poor quality. High LTV and people really stretching to get that noose around their necks. Meanwhile food inflation is putting a major squeeze on. But most have abandoned any sense of caution. Party on ’til you can’t …

 
 
 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-02-15 07:43:23

“Despite an anemic economic recovery, home sales in Connecticut increased in 2012 for the first time in seven years.

If you all recall, CT saw it’s first leg down in the price correction beginning in 2012. Sales are what occurs when prices fall. CT housing prices are still inflated by 60%.

Comment by joe smith
2013-02-15 07:50:48

Not 65%?

Do you think prices will drop by 60% in Old Lyme or Darien? I think a lot of people would jump at that buying opportunity!

Given that Maryland is somewhat similar to CT, how far do you think Maryland prices will fall?

Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-02-15 07:54:37

And even after CT’s sizable price decline in 2012, prices still need to fall ALOT as resale prices are more than double what it costs to build them. Further to the point…… renting is ALOT less than buying the same square footage. ALOT cheaper. As in half the monthly costs of buying.

Comment by joe smith
2013-02-15 08:34:50

But when prices do get alot [sic] cheaper, you do think this will include the best areas?

I hope you are right. If I can get a house in Bethesda for 50% off, you can come live in my pool house for free.

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Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-02-15 09:07:47

Being right and the truth are two different things….. and getting to the truth is going to be a painful, bumpy process for you.

 
Comment by joe smith
2013-02-15 09:27:16

What’s painful? If a 2500 sq ft Bethesda (or Potomac) house drops from 1MM to 350k, who wouldn’t buy that? In that particular area, you’re buying for the location anyway, *not* the house.

I am not adverse to prices falling. I just sort of doubt that they will drop 65% nominally.

Making a prediction a firm prediction like 65% is useless if you’re going to be wishy washy about how you define essential terms. Is this cratering going to be equally bad in areas where housing is generally paid off and owned by well-off people? Is the 65% nominal (sticker price) or real (inflation adjusted)? Without saying, your predictions are not even worth as much as a Honda Civic alternator.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-02-15 09:47:05

A very painful process for you.

 
Comment by Mo Money
2013-02-15 12:59:54

“A very painful process for you”

How painful it must be for you to sit and watch others make money while insisting the sky is falling.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-02-15 13:14:45

Wow, it’s like somebody just set the time machine to 2006. The funny thing is how when people who say these kinds of things start losing money hand over fist, they just fade away silently. Except Casey for a little while. That’s why we remember him.

 
Comment by Dale
2013-02-15 13:56:16

Joe - stop fixating on 65% literally and use it interchangeably with ALOT and you and RAL will begin the painful process of coming together. Kumbaya.

 
Comment by joe smith
2013-02-15 14:00:02

“A very painful process for you”

How painful it must be for you to sit and watch others make money while insisting the sky is falling.

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Wait, are you claiming that people can “make money” by buying used houses today?

If so, I have to join with RAL in LOL’ing at this.

And I think RAL makes his living helping price/plan *new* housing, which can probably be built for roughly the prices he says on here (the only real discrepancy is land prices, as I think RAL has a more expansive view of “commutable” distances from city jobs).

New home builders will make money because they can build pretty cheaply in most areas. Used home buyers should NOT be planning to “make money” unless they are a well capitalized landlord, which is a different ballgame from this blog/board.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-02-15 16:08:48

“builders will make money because they can build pretty cheaply in most areas.”

Correct. $55/sq ft to be exact. And anywhere in the country. And we’ll keep undercutting resale housing prices by double digit percentages.

And if you really think you can buy a retail product, use it and then sell it for more than you paid, step right up because we’ll set you up.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-02-15 07:54:40

“Shiller encouraged federal and state governments to avoid providing incentives to homebuyers, noting the possibility of a potentially destructive housing bubble. ‘As for encouraging potential homebuyers, I think that should be restricted to low-income homebuyers. We do not need to encourage the middle class back into another housing bubble,’ Shiller said.”

Heh heh…got federally-guaranteed “affordable housing” megaloans?

Jumbo Loans Needed for Regular Homes in Some Areas
By: Rosemary Rugnetta | January 30th, 2013

When obtaining a mortgage for a home purchase, the amount of financing that is needed is sometimes more than the conforming and FHA loan limits. Conforming loan limits are $417,000 in most areas and $625,500 in high cost areas. The FHA loan limit is $729,750 which also depends on the location of the property. For anything above these limits, a jumbo loan is necessary. While it may be thought that jumbo mortgages are only for luxury homes, jumbo loans are often needed for regular homes in some areas.

In many locations around the country, a regular home is often more expensive that what would be considered normal. This usually happens in metropolitan areas such as New York City and its’ surrounding suburbs. Virginia and California also have areas where the price for a normal home is more costly. These are considered high priced areas where jumbo mortgages are often required. Homes in these locations are not luxury residences and would actually cost much less if located elsewhere.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-02-15 08:07:47

Can anyone who thinks they understand please explain why Uncle Sam is offering federally-guaranteed “affordable housing” loans for which only California millionaires qualify?

ANYONE!?

Crickets…

Comment by joe smith
2013-02-15 08:39:12

“These are considered high priced areas where jumbo mortgages are often required. Homes in these locations are not luxury residences and would actually cost much less if located elsewhere.”

Yeah, I’ve seen some of these houses. They are “only” 3000 sq ft with a circular driveway, 2 car garage, in-ground pool, and full basement.

Comment by Overtaxed
2013-02-15 12:49:47

My loan is government subsidized, and, of course, the big write off I get for all the interest. It’s nuts that the government encourages people to spend like I do.

And, of course, because I’m right at the limit for the size of my conforming loan, I get a huge tax write off for my excessive consumption.

Craziness.

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Comment by joe smith
2013-02-15 14:04:15

Magically, most of the homes I see in this “semi luxury” category are usually priced around $700k, give or take.

Of course, it’s not magic at all, it has to do with conforming to limits for gov’t subsidy.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-02-15 08:10:43

‘the conforming…loan limits’

Conforming means it conforms to GSE standards (which have higher dollar amounts for ‘high priced states’). Anything above that is jumbo. See this:

‘jumbo loan borrowers will be held to a higher standard and stricter qualification guidelines due to the large amount of financing that is needed.’

We could say: Fannie and Freddie borrowers will be held to lower standards and more lax qualification guidelines in spite of the large amount of financing that is needed.

The Federal government and central bank could not have screwed this whole thing up any worse.

Shiller is at heart a technocrat. He was talking about the housing bubble many years ago (like Zandi). Then along the way he started advocating government involvement. This is his mistake, IMO. Couched in all the usual soft landing propaganda, it is really about propping up house prices. Bernanke went a step further and openly calls for saving the global economy with house prices (and junk bonds, apparently). Greenspan was a reckless fool. I don’t know to describe Bernanke.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2013-02-15 09:45:32

“I don’t know to describe Bernanke.”

An academic fish still trying to learn how to swim out in the middle of the deep blue sea…

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2013-02-15 09:46:41

‘jumbo loan borrowers will be held to a higher standard and stricter qualification guidelines due to the large amount of financing that is needed.’

By implication, $729,750 is not a large amount of ‘affordable’ FHA financing…

 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2013-02-15 09:43:31

“Shiller encouraged federal and state governments to avoid providing incentives to homebuyers, noting the possibility of a potentially destructive housing bubble. ‘As for encouraging potential homebuyers, I think that should be restricted to low-income homebuyers. We do not need to encourage the middle class back into another housing bubble,’ Shiller said.”

When it comes to low-income people and home ownership, Habitat for Humanity does an excellent job.

Part of their success is due to the screening. You have to jump through a lot of hoops before you’re accepted into the program.

And then you actually have to log those work hours. I personally witnessed more than one instance where the no-workie, no-housie rule was invoked.

Comment by joe smith
2013-02-15 09:54:45

And yet, Habitat for Humanity has very bad default rates.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2013-02-15 10:11:12

When I was a Habitat Tucson volunteer, their default rate was well below the commercial market.

However, I haven’t been bangin’ nails or shootin’ pictures for them since 2009. Things may have changed since then.

Comment by joe smith
2013-02-15 10:45:34

You’re right; I think the rates I have heard on various programs were for bubble markets. I think H f H is largely managed at a regional level. For example, I know that Baltimore and DC are covered by HfH of the Chesapeake. I bet HfH isn’t too bad nationally, although I doubt they make the new owner/occupant pay what we would consider “full price”, so there is some subsidy going on.

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Comment by oc-ed
2013-02-15 15:52:12

I would guess that the difference between Habitat for Humanity and the other side of the REIC fence is that HfH is doing this for a different kind of compensation, the actual benefit of the people and the hope of improving society overall as a result. On the other hand the Trolls, Mo you listening, are in it purely for the money with zero cares for the folks on the other side of all transactions. Don’t get me wrong, I am not demeaning profit, just deception and manipulation as tools toward profit. IMHO, we have been privy to some of the worst forms of manipulation since this cycle began in 1997. It got much worse after the bubble popped.

 
 
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