March 21, 2013

Bits Bucket for March 21, 2013

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Comment by SUGuy
2013-03-21 02:39:34

The local builder and the realtor (sorry pimp, liar realtor - wife) are advertising $62 per square feet for this house. Syracuse is beginning to show strong signs of price declines.

The only question I have is?

Should I wait to get a good deal?
Should I wait to get a great deal?
Or should I wait to get a deal of a life time.

What to do with my cash? Hmmmmm

http://www.cnyhomes.com/Listing/Search/info.cgi?mlnum=S284839

From the remark section

YOU CAN NOT BUILD FOR THIS PRICE WORKS OUT TO ROUGHLY 62 DOLLARS A SQUARE FT.

Music to my ears

Comment by Blue Skye
2013-03-21 06:25:22

Nice place SU. Only $20K a year in taxes. This would show that you are not an ordinary person, with ordinary requirements. Hold the class reunion at your place!

Comment by Rental Watch
2013-03-21 08:21:25

Is 4% of price/value/whatever the usual rate for taxes in NY?

Comment by joe smith
2013-03-21 08:23:55

It varies by county but that is not unusual for NY State.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2013-03-21 09:17:13

That’s amazing…approximately 3.5 to 4x the “high tax” California…

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-03-21 20:43:58

That is amazing.

And another way of looking at it: if 4% is still the “annuity return”, and you buy such a property, then you basically are paying the government just as much in property tax as you are paying the seller. Wow.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 08:28:25

“…class reunion…”

I’m old enough now to take stock of what happened to people I knew when I was much younger. Some of them disappeared — can’t even find them using Google. At least one of them went insane. And then there are a few I don’t talk with because they are so successful, I either can’t figure out how to break through their protective wall or else it doesn’t seem worth the effort.

All told, my past friends’ and acquaintances’ destinies have diverged to the extreme.

Comment by joe smith
2013-03-21 08:55:34

Successful, Google-invisible, assets owned by various LLCs is probably the winning combination. Look poor or at least nondescript. That’s my goal, anyway.

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Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 09:46:26

We are not on facebook or LinkedIn. The top results of a google search on our name are all of not particularly notable athletes.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-03-21 20:45:35

Successful, Google-invisible, assets

The government doesn’t use _Google_ to find your assets. They use the required reporting laws, and just follow those crumbs…

 
 
Comment by oxide
2013-03-21 09:43:07

Sounds like America in general, CIBT.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2013-03-21 12:55:47

True, and that thought crossed my mind as I posted earlier. Modern American society tends to either make you or break you.

 
 
Comment by rms
2013-03-21 11:56:47

“All told, my past friends’ and acquaintances’ destinies have diverged to the extreme.”

Was your youth concentrated in California?

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2013-03-21 12:54:18

I’ve been around…

 
Comment by rms
2013-03-21 20:05:26

I’ve been around…

I grew up in San Jose, CA. The south bay has changed so much, so fast, and is extremely expensive, which forced almost everyone I grew up with to leave the area. It seems like everyone up here in fly-over land knows and went to grade school with everyone else; children of the corn? Strange thing is my children are part of the newer corn patch; I didn’t expect the housing crash to take so long.

 
 
 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-03-21 06:30:59

A vinyl barn, but it does have an indoor pool. And a leaking pond/future mud hole in the backyard.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2013-03-21 06:34:25

2 words: yard work.

 
Comment by joe smith
2013-03-21 06:52:34

I can’t even imagine sinking so much money into something in such an economically depressed (and depressing) area. The upkeep, the utility bills, the property taxes.

Additionally, if RAL is to be believed, eventually houses in non-depressed areas will soon be available at those prices. Even then I wouldn’t want 8000 sq ft.

Comment by Blue Skye
2013-03-21 07:10:57

This corridor has been depressed for the better part of a century. You could buy one of these huge white elephants built in the 1800s for a lot less.

Excuse me, ALOT less.

Comment by joe smith
2013-03-21 07:40:18

Even if that house were 100k, I think it’s a huge albatross as far as carrying costs and distance from an economically healthy area.

Someone living in that house would most likely be young and have at least somewhat of a family (otherwise, why the huge yard and 8000 sq ft?). So they’re going to want and NEED to work. I’m sure there is some work up there, but 20k+ in property taxes plus at least 10k/yr in utilities plus another 10k in maintanance… you’re talking 40k/yr in the best of scenarios. That means the first, oh, 80k of your income is completely eaten up by just maintaining the house. (It would take 80k of pre-tax income to end up with the 40k needed to make those payments.)

Then factor in that grown kids most likely are not going to end up living anywhere near there… so you either end up as a sad old person in a ginormous, depreciating house, or you have to sell and move to be with the kids. And, of course when you sell you get to pay more realtor fees, closing fees, taxes, etc.

How far would you have to drive to do basic shopping or get medical care? Even if you work close by, let’s say your job doesn’t exist in 10 years… then what? Let’s say you’re offered a much better job, but it’s an hour or two away. So… huge commute just to have the “privilege” of living in a vinyl-covered box that comes with 20k property taxes and ~4k/month mortgage payments?

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Comment by oxide
2013-03-21 07:59:28

I’m not sure the SUguy will exist in 10 years.

SUGUy, I don’t know what your fixation is with buying a very large upscale toe-tag house with high maintenance and taxes, but I trust you to make your own decision.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-03-21 08:04:19

Joe, I don’t know where you get these thoughts.

You have to live somewhere.

It’s for sale for less than it’s worth.It’s now cheaper to own than to rent. The Realtors researched it.

What if I don’t want to live by a train station?

 
Comment by joe smith
2013-03-21 09:04:54

I’m not sure the SUguy will exist in 10 years.

SUGUy, I don’t know what your fixation is with buying a very large upscale toe-tag house with high maintenance and taxes, but I trust you to make your own decision

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He wants to make sure his estate is given away to a worthy charity over the next decade or so. The tax authorities of his county and state.

Maybe he hates his children or an ex wife and wants to make sure they don’t get that much when he passes?

 
Comment by MiddleCoaster
2013-03-21 10:54:25

If it’s in or close to Syracuse, then it’s close to shopping and good medical care. My husband grew up around there. Things go from urban/suburban to out in the country really fast.

I suppose if you wanted to farm some of those 6.4 acres, the food produced might help to make up for the $20k in property taxes you’ll be paying until the day you sell the place. OTOH, it appears to be a low purchase price for that much house, recreational space and land.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-03-21 11:18:46

I suppose if you wanted to farm some of those 6.4 acres
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
LMAO

 
Comment by snowgirl
2013-03-21 11:38:18

Can’t remember if the fracking contracts are getting written that close to Van Buren but what may be farmable today could possibly not be tomorrow depending on whose protuberance that can legally funnel over to your property is located next door.

Plus there’s potential damage to acquifiers.

Chose your locations carefully.

 
Comment by oxide
2013-03-21 12:11:37

According to google maps, it’s northwest of the city, a quick jump on Route 690 to downtown.

Small farming will probably bring in less money than the effort is worth.

 
 
 
 
Comment by joe smith
2013-03-21 07:06:04

What’s the commute like to Manhattan? A Manhattan type salary should help pay the property taxes, at least.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-03-21 07:16:52

What’s the commute like to Manhattan?

Four hours and fourteen minutes to Grand Central in current (non-rush hour) traffic.

So we should use it as a comp for Manhattan RE, right RAL?

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-03-21 07:51:10

Hey ApoSlop….

That shack can be built for the same price anywhere in the country.

Get over it.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-03-21 08:09:17

I’d like one in lower Manhattan, please.

 
Comment by polly
2013-03-21 09:18:36

You can put mine in the Woodmont Triangle neighborhood in Bethesda.

 
Comment by joe smith
2013-03-21 09:21:07

If you can find one near polly’s lot, I’ll take one of those too. Actually I’ll buy 10 of them if you can find the lots. :-)

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-03-21 09:31:34

I’ll be happy to. Send my your drawings and the address.

 
Comment by joe smith
2013-03-21 09:39:19

You’re supposed to find us the lots, RAL.

I have very little doubt that you could build the structure for whatever price you say.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-03-21 09:39:54

I’ll be happy to. Send my your drawings and the address.

Oh, there’s the matter of buying a lot, eh? What do they go for in lower Manhattan? Will this affect my cost per square foot?

 
Comment by brother_jimmy
2013-03-21 10:43:17

Its the lots that are expensive, and many of them shouldn’t be. SqFt building costs are largely static, just go to a typical residential dev jobsite and see the extra lumber, broken windows, wasted nails, buried perfectly usable building supplies and you’ll see the picture. Impact fees for infrastructure keep the little guys out of the lot business.

they only charge 100 sqft because the buyer has 30 years to pay for it. Cash would be a totally different scenario.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-03-21 11:13:15

Oh, there’s the matter of buying a lot, eh? What do they go for in lower Manhattan? Will this affect my cost per square foot?

How many times are you going to be schooled in lot costs AlpoSlop? I can’t imagine a lot in Frogballs, Kentucky being more than $500.

But better yet, we’ve already show that lot costs are <$5000 commutable to any large city. So yea…… $5 additional per square foot for the lot so we’re up to $60/ sq foot.

Now why did you pay $200/sq for that run down 20 year old shanty?

 
Comment by snowgirl
2013-03-21 11:40:43

Rye Beach, NH please

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-03-21 11:50:15

That shack can be built for the same price anywhere in the country.

So that means Brazil too? If so, please build a bunch of them in Leblon and Ipanema.

(I’ll sell my current house to build all of them for cash)

They use the metric system here. Will that be a problem?

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-03-21 11:59:55

Still in denial about your hillside shanty in the slums I see.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-03-21 12:01:13

How many times are you going to be schooled in lot costs….?

Schooled in lot costs by you PW?

If you do it today, in a realistic manner, that will bring the number of times to exactly…..(drum roll)..ONE.

 
Comment by polly
2013-03-21 12:27:34

You still haven’t given us the location of a buildable lot “commutable” of downtown DC. If you ever decide to offer one, I think you will find that none of us who actually LIVE here will agree that it is both commutable and an even remotely safe place to live.

We are waiting.

Joe,

I’m not sure the entire Woodmont triangle neighborhood is 6 acres, is it? At least the very few SFR lots combined probably aren’t. There was an article a few years ago that Bethesda wanted to buy out all those houses so developers could create even more high density stuff in downtown Bethesda. I think they eventually figured out that it was so expensive they couldn’t afford to hold it even long enough for the demolition and infrastructure upgrade to happen so they could flip it to builders. And the developers couldn’t get financing or wanted no part of it - not sure which. This was in 2006/7 maybe.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-03-21 13:10:26

And our cherry picking barrister is at her games again.

Your client isn’t getting there moneys worth. We’re still here.

 
Comment by polly
2013-03-21 13:24:52

You still pretend not to understand. Just because someone will live on a lot you consider commutable to a major city that you can buy for $5000 doesn’t mean that Joe, or oxide, or I want to live there. You keep telling us that a house is horribly overpriced because you can build it for less on a lot that costs $5000. This is irrelevant because we don’t want to live where you can buy those lots. Someone may. Good luck to them and good fortune to you. But that doesn’t mean that paying more than your building costs plus profit is overpaying. It is deciding that location matters. Which, of course it should when you are living there for a few decades, not selling it to someone else and never looking at it again. Heck, location matters even when you are just renting. I care about the location of my rentals very much. I live there.

Feel free to give us the location of that $5000 lot that is a commutable distance to DC anytime you find it.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-03-21 13:38:35

And you still pretend you aren’t working for the HCS.

Feel free to post a schedule of values for a new SFR including “lot costs” to demonstrate what you think you know about evaluating the price of a house.

And then we’ll see just who overpaid. ;)

… waiting.

 
Comment by polly
2013-03-21 15:31:34

What is the HCS?

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-03-21 15:40:38

C’mon now. Post up a SOV that includes lot cost.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-03-21 19:12:46

I can’t imagine a lot in Frogballs, Kentucky being more than $500.

I’m not sure what they go for in Frogballs, but the cheapest lot listed in my zip code is $212,000. How will that affect my square foot price?

 
 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-03-21 08:21:36

6 hours to Penn Station by train.

Comment by joe smith
2013-03-21 08:59:12

Since it’s not on the northeast corridor line, the Amtrak trains are probably routinely hours late. I remember when I lived in Charlottesville, VA and would take the train into DC or up to NYC on ocassion. Even in the best weather, trains would be late by 3, 4, 5 hours because they were bumped for freight trains on areas with inadequate tracks. And in bad weather, the engines would break down a lot. You see, outside of the NE Corridor areas, the trains didn’t run on electricity. Even if it wasn’t the Amtrak train that broke down, sometimes a CSX or another carrier would have a break down. Eventually I just started renting a car when I needed to be somewhere for family stuff or job interviews.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2013-03-21 14:55:06

Amtrak trains are probably routinely hours late

Top of the world … a man walks along the Qinghai-Tibet railway track with his daughter. Louise Southerden finds the air is thin and the carriages full on the transcontinental train from Beijing to Lhasa.

The idea of a railway to the heart of Tibet was conceived in 1919 by Sun Yat-sen, the first president of the Republic of China. Mao Zedong further investigated its feasibility in 1955 but it wasn’t until 1984 (eight years after Mao’s death) that the first section of track was completed - an 814-kilometre stretch from Xining to Golmud, both in China’s Qinghai province.

It took another 17 years for the real feat of construction to begin, in March 2001: the 1142-kilometre, high-altitude Golmud-to-Lhasa railway that former Chinese premier Zhu Rongji once called “an unprecedented project in the history of mankind”.

Built at a cost of $US4.2 billion, it employed 100,000 engineers and construction workers for four years - many of whom had to breathe bottled oxygen and endure temperatures of minus 45 degrees. Eighty-six per cent of the railway is higher than 4000 metres, 550 kilometres of track is laid on permafrost and the highest point is a lofty 5072 metres above sea level - almost as high as Everest Base Camp.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/travel/to-the-roof-on-the-rails-20100330-raew.html

 
 
Comment by Resistor
2013-03-21 11:51:12

I have a family friend that is a sales rep for a graphics firm in Rochester, that commutes to NYC 2-3x/mo. via JetBlue. Stays in the company condo.

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Comment by rms
2013-03-21 07:33:04

“Amazing 8,000+ sq ft Transitional home on 6+ private acres with pond.”

What does “transitional” mean in RE speak?

Comment by joe smith
2013-03-21 07:52:09

it means welcome to purgatory

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-03-21 12:02:24

lol

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Comment by oxide
2013-03-21 07:57:06

I think the term refers some kind of transition between Traditional and Modern, but really, it’s just an umbrella term for a house or decor that doesn’t fall under any other named style. Not Tudor, Not Craftman, Not Ranch, Not Prairie, Not Victorian, Not Queen Anne, Not California Mission, Not Contemporary, Not Georgian, Not Dutch Colonial, Not Traditional,* etc. Whatever it is, it definitnely applies to this house.

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*Traditional is another semi-umbrella term which sort of means “nice house, generally center-hall colonial.” Most east-coast McMansions are classed as Traditional.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-03-21 08:10:45

I thought it meant fugly.

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Comment by Resistor
2013-03-21 12:48:09

Faux-authentic

 
 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-03-21 08:23:22

It means big house, two jobs, no kids, no furniture.

 
 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-03-21 11:21:28

That place is hideous by virtue of its’ size alone.

Are you nuts?

 
Comment by snowgirl
2013-03-21 11:32:01

InBev exec?

 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-03-21 03:26:15

“90 Percent of REO’s Are Withheld From Sale”

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/02/19/theres-still-a-foreclosure-crisis/

If you’re looking to buy a house, sit tight as there are an estimated 25 MILLION foreclosures coming to the market. If you buy now you’ll lose alot of money. ALOT of money.

Beware.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 06:16:11

Is collusion to withhold inventory in order to fix prices legal these days, or is the Sherman Antitrust Act still on the books?

Still waiting for a convincing answer…

Comment by michael
2013-03-21 06:20:17

i think like 95% of home mortgages are FHA.

the housing market has been effectively nataionalized.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 06:26:46

Is collusion legal if the government does it?

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Comment by michael
2013-03-21 06:44:24

not sure…but i thought things were supposed to be much better when that invisible hand of the free market wasn’t allowed to set the price?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2013-03-21 06:49:58

Funny you should ask:

From Wiki - The Commerce Clause describes an enumerated power listed in the United States Constitution (Article I, Section 8, Clause 3). The clause states that the United States Congress shall have power “To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes.”

 
Comment by DinOR
2013-03-21 08:10:37

“To regulate Commerce with…”

Totally irrelevant. Regulating is (1) thing ( manipulating , distorting and OWNING is another )

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 08:33:35

An example of regulating would be enforcing laws that make collusion to fix prices illegal.

I know such regulations are enforced in other industries besides used home sales; are used home sales different?

 
Comment by DinOR
2013-03-21 11:02:38

I don’t know, how big is your lobby group’s interest check?

Several years ago on this very blog, most readers couldn’t seem to distinguish between the regulatory environment everyone else in finance had to conform to and the Wild West RE has always been. Hopefully now that’s more apparent to them?

You’d bring more heat down on yourself for doing a misleading weight loss infomercial than crashing a nation’s/globe’s economy.

 
 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-03-21 06:27:19

I’m waiting to hear if the Constitution is still on the books.

Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 06:34:23

It’s a “living document”, not a stone tablet as you bitter clingers may believe.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2013-03-21 07:12:33

You must be a Presbyterian.

 
Comment by DinOR
2013-03-21 08:22:00

Was that an attempt at sarcasm or ‘groaner’ humor? The “they’re more like ‘guardrails’ argument” doesn’t stand up to sober examination.

They’re words. Words mean THINGS. Just READ it fer’ chrissakes…

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-03-21 08:46:25

Just READ it fer’ chrissakes…

Well, the original said we could have slaves. And women couldn’t vote.

 
Comment by oxide
2013-03-21 08:47:44

THERE you are!! where ya been?!? :mrgreen:

 
Comment by DinOR
2013-03-21 11:05:57

“we could have slaves. And women couldn’t…”

All the creative LICENSE you’d ever NEED..! Where do you want to take the Constitution TODAY..!?

C’mon. Everyone knows The Stones freed the slaves when they recorded Brown Sugar.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-03-22 00:27:05

Well, the original said we could have slaves. And women couldn’t vote.

Absolute Horse-pucky.

The original said nothing of the sort. Show me where it said it.

The original didn’t bother to mention either of those topics—because people just KNEW what the expectation was (e.g. culturally) on both counts.

The Founders did better than you are giving them credit for, alpha. Society just hadn’t caught up to them.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-03-22 03:55:47

The Founders did better than you are giving them credit for, alpha. Society just hadn’t caught up to them.

Many of the Founders owned slaves and were vehement defenders of the institution. The word ’slave’ may not be mentioned in the Const, but if you’re not free, not indentured, not an Indian, and being counted as 3/5ths of a person, you’re a slave:

US Constitution, Article 1, Section 2

(Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.)

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-03-21 12:22:22

The Constitution was designed to be a “living document”.

Proof?

The Constitution came “alive” with passage of the Bill of Rights. The passage of the Bill of Rights was accomplished legally within the existing structure of the Constitution which allowed for such “living” changes and additions.

If the US Constitution were “dead”, such changes and additions would or should be deemed illegal and Unconstitutional.

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Comment by michael
2013-03-21 13:38:00

the ammendment process is much harder than the “interpretive” one.

 
Comment by polly
2013-03-21 15:42:17

The founding fathers very specifically adopted the common law system that the colonies already had (from England) as part of the federal court system. They could have picked a different system (like France) which also evolves as the “glosses” cover more and more specific situations, but they went with the one they knew. And law “created” through judicial interpretation of statutes and precedent is inherent in any common law system.

Heck, if you look carefully, you will find that the Constitution doesn’t even say that the Supreme Court has the final say on what the Constitution means. That was established in a case. Called Marbury vs Madison. There were a bunch of founding fathers around at the time. I’m not sure if all of them agreed with the actual decision, but I’m positive that none of them ever claimed that a court couldn’t fill in holes in the rules by making a decision.

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2013-03-21 07:31:26

CIBT, I thought I answered you long ago. You don’t have to collude among each other to effect price fixing. All you need is a bunch of independent people to come to the same decision at the same time independently.

If there’s any price fixing, it’s the mark-to-fantasy accounting which created the environment for banks to make those independent decisions. As far as I know, that’s legal.

I’m still not confident that an inventory dump will crash prices, not for the retail family buyers. REO’s are trashed dumps and families don’t have the time or cash for such repairs.

Comment by Blue Skye
2013-03-21 08:17:11

Families without time or money to clean a place up and do some catchup maintenance are going to bid up the price of SFRs, because they’ve got plenty of time and money to buy?

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Comment by DinOR
2013-03-21 08:17:43

Good point, and having [adult] children at that stage, it’s a lay-up they don’t have the resources to make those necessary repairs let alone nice to have improvements. ( Not at $4 gas..? )

Even if you GAVE the damned house to them!

Still, I look at the securities litigation that took place in a [succuessful] case made against Raymond James. In essence RJ contended “all our rep’s are ‘independents’ and as such are not captive to market our [failed] products..!”

But it fell apart under scrutiny as virtually all the ‘independent’ rep’s sold the exact same annuity/fund ( can’t recall the specifics ) to ALL their clients! So a case here is possible. Like raising kids and assigning blame; “What do all these people have in common?”

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 08:36:15

“All you need is a bunch of independent people to come to the same decision at the same time independently.”

Comment from a poster who never cracked an economics text book, and hence doesn’t grasp the difference between competitive and oligopolistic markets…

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Comment by polly
2013-03-21 09:22:48

Or someone who is simply aware that the banks know it is possible to “win” the prisoner’s dillema by keeping their mouths shut.

 
Comment by DinOR
2013-03-21 11:14:26

CIBT,

One needn’t dedicate their life to the worship of Chartology to realize ( it’s all in how [otherwise] rational players are *incentivized* )

I love the Raymond James case study as the ahem, payouts! were much higher than other, comparable products. Ones that didn’t go tango uniform btw? So we can use “independent people” as our explanation as to why droves flocked TO the realtwhore trades;

But not excuse their lack of Prudent Man ethics once INSIDE the industry!

For those perhaps unfamiliar ( and spare a quick search ) securities law from inception mandated agents not ask a client to embark on an investment adventure, they wouldn’t take themselves.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Hard Rain
2013-03-21 04:02:19

Telling description..scheme.

The U.K.’s newly announced “right to buy” scheme will not fuel a potentially dangerous housing bubble similar to that seen in the subprime mortgage crisis in the U.S., the U.K.’s Finance Minster George Osborne told CNBC on Thursday.

One of the most eye-catching measures announced in Wednesday’s budget was a 3.5 billion pound ($5.3 billion) mortgage scheme for struggling buyers, which will effectively buy a stake in a home of up to 20 percent if the buyer raises the other 5 percent of the deposit. The government is also set to guarantee 130 billion pounds ($195 billion) of mortgages for three years, allowing banks to provide more loans to people that can’t afford the large deposits.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/osborne-defends-5-3-billion-101213698.html

Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2013-03-21 07:08:07

‘ allowing banks to provide more loans to people that can’t afford the large deposits.’

Starting to really wonder why governments give a hoot that a person should get anchored to a mortgage or buy a house for cash outright and just does not rent like many a regular person. I guess houses are expensive and people need assistance to get on the mortgage plan. Still, why does the government backstop all this again?

Comment by AmazingRuss
2013-03-21 07:27:46

That kind of debt forces people to do as their told and stay in that crappy job, or lose everything. Stabilizes society.

Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2013-03-21 07:35:38

Interesting. It is probably like arguing with the IRS on how taxes are illegal to enforce the collection of. You can not ask government why they have to help people get a house, aka to fulfill an American Dream, and expect a neutral tone from them. Must be in writing somewhere that government is responsible now to help match people with loans. Not as if banks can handle that alone I guess.

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Comment by In Colorado
2013-03-21 07:44:28

Still, why does the government backstop all this again?

Because that’s what the Banksters want? You know, for us to be Stanley Johnsons, living beyond our means and up to our eyeballs in debt, forking over huge interest payments month after month after month.

Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2013-03-21 07:55:59

As long as a bank is not a charity, I guess everything is gonna be OK. Banks are not charities, right?

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Comment by In Colorado
2013-03-21 08:43:03

They receive charity from the taxpayers, but last time I checked they still expect loans to be paid back, at least the ones on their books.

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2013-03-21 08:19:08

governments give a hoot that a person should get anchored to a mortgage or buy a house for cash outright and just does not rent

Because renting is generally throwing away cash that could be better used to fuel the consumer economy. If you took out a mortgage 20 years ago, your mortage payment was probably $800/month or so. Seemed like a lot at the time, but now, the rent for the same house is probably $2300/month. That cash is fueling the consumer economy.

Or, to be more egalitarian, the gov wants J6P to have a piece of the ownership pie.

Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2013-03-21 08:56:02

‘Or, to be more egalitarian, the gov wants J6P to have a piece of the ownership pie.’

We sought after government to allow this? OK, I think we did, case in point the red-lining era ca. Carter years? Now the government is married to the cause forever? Just asking questions. Houses are expensive enough. As others pointed out here, and not unwelcomedly, there is some sobriety you need in order to sign up for a 30 year debt. They still push for it, day in and day out. When will people be set without government having to protect our right to have a house?

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-03-21 05:06:06

Canadian man to sell house for Bitcoin virtual currency
BBCNews
Canadian man is hoping to be the first person to sell his house for virtual currency Bitcoins.

Entrepreneur Taylor More listed his two-bedroom Alberta bungalow, asking 405,000 Canadian dollars (£261,000; $395,000) - or the equivalent in Bitcoins.

He says the first reaction of his family was that of a shock.

Bitcoins are now a widely used alternative payments system and one Bitcoin is currently worth about £37.

“Bitcoins are really hard to get your hands on if you want to get them in large quantities,” Mr More told the BBC.

Unlike other currencies, Bitcoins are not issued by a central bank or other centralised authority.

People generate or “mine” Bitcoins by participating in that network - for instance, by solving a complicated mathematical problem using their computer.

A growing number of web stores and online firms accept Bitcoins as payment.

Bitcoins can be exchanged for “real” money, and they can be used to make transactions that are difficult to trace, offering privacy to their users.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21863593

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 05:32:04

WRITING ON THE WALL
Updated March 21, 2013, 5:16 a.m. ET
Cyprus Is Drowning in an EU Spoon
By DAVID WEIDNER

U.S. bank bailouts have taken a beating. They were criticized for their excess, uneven distribution and preservation of a status quo that shortchanges the little guy in favor of “stability of the financial system” or, put another way, private gains and socialized losses.

And the bailouts do look pretty awful—until you compare them with what’s happening in Europe.

To say the euro zone has bungled the crisis in Cyprus is an insult to bungling.

Cyprian banks are undercapitalized, so central bankers and politicians want to respond by taxing depositors. Isn’t this something like fixing a car by taking away the tires? Even if you can get the engine to start, your chances of getting somewhere aren’t too good.

Moreover, the so-called “bailout” of banks in Cyprus has most Europeans, fearing they might be next, checking Google Maps for the fastest route to their own bank branch.

There’s a Greek saying, roughly translated, that goes like this: “You drown in a spoon of water.” The deeper translation, or at least the way some people understand it, is: “You make a simple job difficult.”

That’s the European Union.

In a few short days, the EU and to some degree the International Monetary Fund have completely unraveled the confidence stitched during the last four years. To go back to our car analogy, the EU is the only shop in town. And now everyone knows the sort of shoddy work it does.

Comment by ecofeco
2013-03-21 06:55:01

“In a few short days, the EU and to some degree the International Monetary Fund have completely unraveled the confidence stitched during the last four years. “

Bullcrap. It’s ALL the fault of the bankers, period.

Comment by ahansen
2013-03-21 08:26:40

Those rarified folks who are buying up all the Maybachs, the $215M apartments…Cyprus? They’re no longer banksters anymore.

“…Many people think the greatest winners of globalization today are financiers. A decade or so ago, that may have been true. But today another class sits above even them—the global commodity plutocrats: owners of mineral rights, or dominant players in mineral-rich countries in sectors such as construction and finance that benefit from commodity booms….Russia’s former privatization czar Anatoly Chubais put it less delicately: ‘They steal and steal. They are stealing absolutely everything.’….”

http://www.vanityfair.com/society/2013/04/mysterious-residents-one-hyde-park-london

Comment by MiddleCoaster
2013-03-21 11:06:20

“The vibe is junior Arab dictator,” says Peter York, co-author of The Official Sloane Ranger Handbook.

:D

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Comment by ecofeco
2013-03-21 13:42:10

Oh?

“…and finance that benefit from commodity booms..”

So the super rich are relegated to 2nd place by the super-duper rich. Yeah, that makes it all better. :lol:

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 05:36:33

Beware of coiled springs.

HEARD ON THE STREET
March 20, 2013, 6:25 p.m. ET

Fed May Face Coiled Spring

By JUSTIN LAHART

The economy looks better now than it did a couple of months ago. But you would be hard-pressed to tell that from what the Federal Reserve had to say Wednesday.

The statement the Fed put out following its two-day policy meeting wasn’t all that different from the one it released after its late January meeting. While acknowledging that the economy had moved beyond the weather-related pause it experienced late last year, the central bank’s rate-setting committee also noted that fiscal policy has, thanks to the sequester, become more restrictive and said it “continues to see downside risks to the economic outlook.”

But though it is true that fiscal belt-tightening will likely be a drag on the economy this year, the economy is also advancing at a faster clip as those budget cuts start to hit than many forecasters expected when Fed policy makers got together in January.

Comment by azdude
2013-03-21 07:02:15

If the US treasury sells treasuries for cash to 21 primary dealers and then dealers flip to FED isnt the FED suppose to get there money back at some point when treasuries mature? I guess since the US treasury issued the debt instrument they are the ones who are on the hook for paying the FED when the treasury matures? Will the FED ever see this money?

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-03-21 08:27:00

Beware of coiled springs.

Beware stored energy in general. Unnatural death and injury always involves it except for the rare cases that involve too little energy and end in the phrase “to death”.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 08:37:39

Stored energy / coiled spring = artificially suppressed interest rates due to massive influx of QE3 dollars to buy Treasurys and MBS

Comment by azdude
2013-03-21 08:42:10

do you think the treasury is selling debt instruments to pay off maturing debt instruments?

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Comment by snake charmer
2013-03-21 14:12:29

Isn’t oil essentially stored sunlight?

Comment by Carl Morris
2013-03-21 14:16:51

Sure. And it’s easy to kill yourself with it once it’s been refined enough to easily ignite. But it is tough to kill yourself with in its natural state. The energy is a bit difficult to accidentally release from crude oil.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 05:42:06

For how long is the Cyprus bank holiday scheduled to last?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 05:43:29

Bank run expert: Cyprus’ plan was ‘absurd’
By Stephen Gandel, senior editor
March 19, 2013: 4:17 PM ET

When a bailout is worse than the illness.

FORTUNE — You can thank Cyprus and Europe’s leaders for making our $700 billion bank bailout look good.

The plan to impose a tax on bank deposits to help pay for the bailout of Cypriot banks was “absurd,” says Philip Dybvig, one of the world’s leading economic experts on banks and financial crisis. Back in 1983, Dybvig co-authored, along with University of Chicago economist Doug Diamond, a paper on why bank runs happen. It has since become one of the most influential pieces of research on the topic and on financial crisis in general, and is a regular staple of most economics curriculums.

Dybvig, who is now an economics professor at Washington University, says the plan to bailout Cyprus at the expense of local depositors would have done more harm than good and could have put more strain on the already troubled European banking sector.

The plan, which was proposed by European regulators and central bankers, was originally to levy a 6.75% tax on deposits of less than €100,000 and 9.9% on anything above €100,000 to help pay for a €10 billion bailout of the country’s banking sector. At the last minute, an exemption for accounts that had less €20,000 was added, but that wasn’t enough to save the plan. On Tuesday afternoon, the proposed deposit tax was rejected by the Cypriot lawmakers. And even though that has thrown the European bailout of Cyprus into doubt, Dybvig thinks the rejection of the deposit tax, if it sticks, will end up being a good thing.

Why do you think the plan was absurd?

It will do a lot of damage to the banking system both in Cyprus and Europe in general. The proposal also has to shake confidence of depositors in other countries, which is dangerous. The only reason people haven’t run from their banks in other nations in Europe is that they think they have time. Eventually that runs out.

Won’t the bank holiday stop that?

Bank holidays have a fun sounding name, but they are really quite harmful. When you tell people they can’t have their money, it makes it very hard for an economy to return to normal. We tried bank holidays a few times in the Great Depression and it only made things worse. One reason to have deposit insurance is to prevent bank runs, but partial deposit insurance is ineffective if it does not cover 100%. You will run on your bank if you think you will lose 100% of your deposits, and you will also run if you think you will lose 10%.

But European regulators are trying to send the signal that the bailout they proposed for Cyprus was going to be a one-time thing?

If it’s really a small, isolated, unique problem, a one-time thing, and won’t happen again, why not do the just do the bailout and have the country pay for it over time? Why risk the potential damage to the rest of Europe’s banking system?

Comment by ecofeco
2013-03-21 06:56:55

Again, blaming everyone but the banks who caused it.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 08:38:53

Sources, please.

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Comment by ecofeco
2013-03-21 13:45:37

Been posted here many times. You do know Cypriot is part of the Greek region, right? :lol:

Same region. Same banks. Same fraud.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 05:58:40

A very long holiday weekend lies in store for Cypriot banks

Bank industry chief warns Cypriot banks must reopen in days
By John O’Donnell
BRUSSELS | Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:09pm EDT

(Reuters) - A solution must be found to reopen Cypriot banks within days before it is “too late”, one of Europe’s top bankers warned on Wednesday, saying he feared the island’s problems risked knocking confidence across the region.

“Everything needs to be solved very quickly. This is a matter of a very few days before it gets too late,” Christian Clausen, president of lobby group the European Banking Federation told Reuters in an interview.

“Speed is extremely important,” said Clausen, who is also chief executive of Nordea Group, the Nordic region’s biggest lender.

Banks in Cyprus are set to remain closed on Thursday and Friday as the country races to find an alternative to imposing a levy on bank deposits in return for financial aid.

With Monday a public holiday, the move effectively closes lenders until Tuesday, March 26.

Describing the closure of bank branches as “a very bad thing to do” and the imposition of a levy on depositors as “unfortunate”, Clausen said he feared that events in Cyprus would snuff out a gradual return of confidence.

“We are all very concerned that if it continues it may spread to some of the closer countries who do have problems with government debt,” he said. “The real issue is how much this will impact confidence throughout Europe.”

Comment by Neuromance
2013-03-21 09:05:03

Finance chiefs worldwide and their machinations make me think of this, the scene from Star Wars where Vader says: http://i.qkme.me/3p4nd0.jpg

Comment by ecofeco
2013-03-21 13:49:15

Good one!

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Comment by Jingle Male
2013-03-21 05:49:09

SACRAMENTO — After six years of waiting on the sidelines, newly eager home buyers across the country are discovering that there are not enough houses for sale to accommodate the recent flush of demand.

NY Times today…..

“You see a home go for sale and within a couple days there are three, four, six offers,” said Carrie Miskawi, a mother of three young children who has been looking for a new home for the last six months with Mr. Colgan’s help. She and her husband have decided not to put their current home on the market because they fear it will be snatched up before they have a chance to bid successfully on a new one.

“It’s kind of a Catch-22,” Mr. Colgan said. As long as large numbers of people are hesitant to put their own homes on the market because so few other homes are available, he said, there won’t be many homes available.

Across the country, the raw number of homes for sale is at its lowest level since 1999, according to the National Association of Realtors. In the Sacramento metro area, home listings were down 60 percent in January from a year earlier, compared with 23 percent for the country over all, according to Zillow.

Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 05:59:30

Hello Realtor®. The losses in Sacramento will be incalculable.

Comment by Jingle Male
2013-03-21 06:03:57

Goon, you keep spouting off, ’cause that’s what you do. I will keep calculating because the gains are quite calculable!

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 06:25:14

“Let’s feast and drink, for tomorrow we die!”

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Comment by oxide
2013-03-21 08:30:18

large numbers of people are hesitant to put their own homes on the market

They must be colluding as a price-fixing scheme. Let’s sic them with the ghost of Teddy Roosevelt.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 08:50:15

Equating individual home owners deciding not to sell because they don’t like current prices with banks and large corporate entities holding R.E.O. off the market indefinitely is a bit of a stretch, don’t you think?

 
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2013-03-21 11:54:17
 
 
Comment by joe smith
2013-03-21 06:55:42

Your idiocy is the only thing that is incalculable.

Tell us about those new telemarketing and customer service call centers in Sacramento area. LOLZ. ;-)

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Comment by AmazingRuss
2013-03-21 07:29:51

You jump right in there, Virgil. I’ll hold yer beer and watch.

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Comment by Pete
2013-03-21 08:48:15

“Hello Realtor®. The losses in Sacramento will be incalculable.”

In Sacramento? Home prices here averaged 358K in December of ‘05. In December of ‘11 they bottomed out at 143K. That’s about a 60% drop already.

Comment by joe smith
2013-03-21 09:01:19

still higher than 3x median income metric. still further to fall. inland California is Lucky Ducky Central, but with coastal elitist bedwetter tax rates.

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Comment by ahansen
2013-03-21 09:43:19

Takeaway phrase here:

“bottomed out…”

Between 12/11 and 4/13, there has been a window of price inflation in which people with gonads (and bank accounts) far greater than my own have seen significant gains investing in Sacramento real estate. This is fact, hugely annoying to many, but fact nonetheless.

Whether, or for how long this will continue is up for debate. But if there is to be another housing mania, this time it’s likely that the Loosers will be the investment syndicates, not J6P.

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Comment by Jingle Male
2013-03-21 09:57:23

ahansen, it is also possible that the losers will be people on the sidelines. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

 
Comment by joe smith
2013-03-21 10:04:33

OK, someone ‘fess up. Who is running the Jingle Male stupidity schtick?

It’s been funny but I can’t take it seriously anymore. This can’t be real.

 
Comment by brother_jimmy
2013-03-21 10:53:31

True. And just like a casino, many will confuse luck and skill, and keep playing bigger hands until they’ve lost everything, while the smart ones can spot their luck and will take their winnings. Time will tell us which category our friend falls into.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2013-03-21 12:51:31

“…people with gonads (and bank accounts) far greater than my own have seen significant gains investing in Sacramento real estate. This is fact, hugely annoying to many, but fact nonetheless.”

Spot on.

 
Comment by cactus
2013-03-21 14:08:09

“…people with gonads (and bank accounts) far greater than my own have seen significant gains investing in Sacramento real estate. This is fact, hugely annoying to many, but fact nonetheless.”

Spot on.”

I don’t think they trust cash or cash deposits in banks for some reason…

 
 
 
 
Comment by Jingle Male
2013-03-21 06:01:39

You read it here first over six months ago. The Housing Bubble Blog always leads the way…

Comment by Jingle Male
2012-09-07 07:22:49

How about we revisit “Inventory”. I know we hash that one out from time to time, but in Sacramento, the inventory is drying up faster than a farm pond in Colorado.

Comment by azdude
2013-03-21 07:10:04

I do not believe the banks control the inventory. The trustee is the one who holds the power to foreclose based on payment to the beneficiary in a deed of trust. So it the trustees of the MBS that are the ones who are choosing not to foreclose.

a lot of loans originated by countrywide have BANK of new york mellon as the trustee on a lot of MBS. Somehow they are being paid not to foreclose.

Who is the trustee on loans sold to fannie and freddie?

Comment by polly
2013-03-21 12:37:24

The trustee turns over day to day responsibility for actions taken on the loans to the servicer. Unless you can quote us a servicing agreement which requires that the servicer consult the trustee on a regular basis for instructions on how to handle late payments, then I will look at the people the government is talking to/trying to influence and assume they are the ones who are making the decisions.

As far as I know, Englishman in NJ is the only person on the blog who is very familiar with these agreements.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 06:17:56

“After six years of waiting on the sidelines, newly eager home buyers across the country are discovering that there are not enough houses for sale to accommodate the recent flush of demand.”

Is collusion to withhold inventory in order to fix prices legal these days, or is the Sherman Antitrust Act still on the books?

Still waiting for a convincing answer…

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 06:19:11

“flush of demand”

I agree with that description. Once the current wave of demand is flushed down the toilet, I am wondering where they will find any more greater fools to step up and catch themselves falling knives?

Comment by Jingle Male
2013-03-21 06:27:51

You keep wondering CIBT….that’s what you do….

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Comment by bunga bunga
2013-03-21 06:56:24

You keep on pimping….that’s what you do….

 
Comment by joe smith
2013-03-21 07:02:38

Some people never learn.

Sactown, outside of some gov’t employees (mostly doing temporary stints) is a WT cow town. It was pwned in the last housing bubble and will be pwned again. The only question is when and how badly. The fundamentals just don’t support Sactown having expensive housing. Refer back to it’s WT cow town status & workforce if you need clarification.

 
Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 07:53:29

a WT cow town

Tell us how you really feel about Sacramento.

 
Comment by joe smith
2013-03-21 08:16:31

its*

(sorry, stupid smart phone)

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 08:40:48

Right now I’m wondering at what point the all-cash foreign buyers in Sacramento and other bubbly California real estate investing hot spots will try to lock in their investment gains in droves, precipitating the next leg down in California home prices.

It’s gonna be ugly when it happens.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-03-21 08:51:38

all-cash foreign buyers in Sacramento and other bubbly California real estate investing hot spots will try to lock in their investment gains

I thought it was more of a ’safe place’ for them to store their money, and to have an escape plan, if need be.

 
Comment by oxide
2013-03-21 08:59:00

Do we have some statistics as to how many of these buyers are doing this for the investment value and how many just want a safe house?

 
Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 09:18:11

a WT cow town

We weren’t commenting on a typo. We want to know how you really feel about Sacramento. How would you compare your expectations of living in Sacramento with living in say, Indianapolis, or Charlotte?

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2013-03-21 12:49:35

“I thought it was more of a ’safe place’ for them to store their money, and to have an escape plan, if need be.”

I’m sure the Japanese real estate investors who lost their shirts in U.S. commercial RE during the early 1990s made similar mistaken assumptions.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-03-21 18:54:27

I’m sure the Japanese real estate investors who lost their shirts in U.S. commercial RE during the early 1990s made similar mistaken assumptions.

I don’t think they were looking for safe houses in case they needed to GTFO.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 19:10:53

Good point. Sac-area homeowners should worry about an influx of Chinese criminals absconding with ill-gotten loot.

 
 
 
Comment by Jingle Male
2013-03-21 06:29:17

Withhod inventory? Did you read the article. Builders are scrambling to build houses.

Comment by AmazingRuss
2013-03-21 07:34:45

…because there is an artificial shortage, and they want to make money before it all crashes down again.

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Comment by Jingle Male
2013-03-21 08:40:42

supply and demand at its finest…..

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-03-21 08:45:05

Per Foreclosure Radar, there are 2,500 homes in all of Sacramento County that are held as REO.

There are an additional 4,500 that are “Pre-Foreclosure” or Scheduled for Sale.

This is 7,000 homes. Last month, per Zillow, there were a total of 2,200 homes sold in Sacramento County…3 months worth of sales.

And on top of that, it is impossible for these homes to be released onto the market all at once–with the most efficient processing possible of the distress…there are processing delays:
1. Statutory time limits between NOD and foreclosure;
2. Eviction processes
3. Dealing with fraudulent BKs
4. Fixing damaged homes, etc.

There doesn’t seem to be anything “artificial” about the shortage…at least not with any appreciable magnitude. Are there other homes that you expect to flood the market?

The very real shortage…that will rear its ugly head in the coming couple of years in CA, was the dramatically reduced processing of new land for development over the past few years. Cities cut staff, and weren’t pushing projects through as quickly, developers and investors weren’t risking the capital, etc.

Given how dysfunctional the entitlement processes are in CA, it will take a long time to build back up the “normal” construction levels in CA. We are starting to see land values rise quickly.

And I’m not saying “they aren’t building any more land”. That’s stupid, because even in Manhattan, they create more “land” (square feet of living space) every time they build a new condo tower. I’m simply saying that there is a going to be short supply of land that has been through all the entitlement processes that builders can build upon.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 08:43:08

“Builders are scrambling to build houses.”

It’s called a supply response, and it is a natural consequence of inventory suppression and artificially inflated prices. The shadow inventory is still there, and the newly built houses will only serve to add to the supply glut.

Did you catch the 60 Minutes piece on China’s housing market? That should give you an idea of the consequences of market manipulation to stimulate home building in excess of fundamental needs.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2013-03-21 13:01:22

CIBT:

One thing that doesn’t make sense with the “banks withholding inventory in a massive conspiracy” theory:

We are seeing banks begin to lend to private homebuilders with greater frequency…this is, in part, how the increasing number of new homes are being funded.

If there were some massive shadow supply, that is being held-back by lenders in order to prop up prices, why would they also be lending to homebuilders, thereby adding supply that they supposedly don’t want on the market?

 
Comment by Neuromance
2013-03-21 15:02:57

One troubling thought that occurs to me about China is how… non-legal it is. Here, we have the pretense of law when it comes to the financial sector. Eric Holder goes before the Senate, Lanny Breuer goes on Frontline, and both say they refuse to prosecute fraud by the big Wall Street players. And that’s a dangerous thing because of the resulting unpredictability and cronyism.

In China, there’s not even the pretense of law at the top. It remains, a communist dictatorship at the top, and the law is what the leadership says it is, and can enforce.

Currencies retain value due to the scarcity of the currency, in large part. In the US, we have the FOMC meet several times every year. They renew their pledge towards price stability (and full employment), and barring the necessities, price increases in manufactured goods remain muted.

If the SHTF in China, and they too discover that, “Hey, people value currency, we’ll just print more of it and everyone will remain wealthy!” How quickly will that go nuclear?

Also, the central planning issue. We see here the government and the Fed taking a bigger and bigger role, trying to save things, instead of relying on the principles of the free market to sort things out.

Natural leaders naturally want to take more and more control. It’s in their DNA. And centrally planned economies invite the most corruption as the humans running them are, well, self-interested humans interested in improving their and their friends and family’s lot.

The point: In the West, there is the pretense of legality and a limited public view of what’s going on in the financial sector, which provides at least a modicum of restraint. In China, there’s not even the pretense. And they are very much closer to central planning, and all the corruption it entails.

I have a sense that confidence in the currency and in the leadership in China is not sound, and could be squandered very easily, very quickly.

 
Comment by tj
2013-03-21 18:32:18

Currencies retain value due to the scarcity of the currency, in large part.

while i agree with much of your post, this part is wrong.

consider the first spear ever made, or the first tractor ever made. was their value in their scarcity? or was their value in their usefulness? and before you say that those things aren’t currency, i’ll tell you that they can be currency. a currency can be anything you exchange for labor.

you once said that a fiat currency is a proxy for future labor. you were on the right track, but fiat currency is more accurately a record of someone’s past labor. therefore the most accurate gauge for the value of a country’s fiat currency is not scarcity, but the efficiency of its labor. or as most people would think of it as the ‘value’ of its labor.

another thing to consider is that things can be scarce without having value. the scarcity argument doesn’t hold water if you examine it carefully.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-03-21 06:37:43

Houses are not for sale because they are just too valuable.

Illogic like this either clicks with a person or it doesn’t. Realtors are looking for the ones who do.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2013-03-21 06:58:54

There’s so much spin in that article I think they have created new particle.

I think it’s called the “bullcron”.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2013-03-21 12:48:01

Did you mean “bullcon”?

Comment by ecofeco
2013-03-21 14:01:22

Hmmm, that sounds good as well.

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Comment by scdave
Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 06:32:28

“Homeowners are once again buying high-end patio furniture and built-in barbecues”

The lines at Sacramento area Applebee’s must be so long that people are giving up on waiting and cooking at home.

Comment by azdude
2013-03-21 08:04:34

sacramento has the rainbow bridge over the river near downtown.

 
Comment by oxide
2013-03-21 12:23:09

The Home and Garden Show is a very good indicator of the state of homeowners in DC. I’m going this weekend and will report back.

 
 
 
Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 05:57:15

Bloomberg piece chock full ‘o stats. Some article nuggets:

“In the 95 wartime years since 1749, wholesale price increases averaged 5.7 percent. In the 168 peacetime years, they fell 1.2 percent annually on average.

(the Lucky Ducky future) real median net worth fell 39 percent from 2007 to 2010 … yet income polarization caused the mean to fall just 20 percent. In 1989, mean consumer net worth was four times the median. It jumped to 6.5 times the median in 2010.

For a third of those who find jobs after being unemployed six months or more, the new position pays less than the last job held.

In the past year, private-sector employees in right-to-work states earned 9.8 percent less than workers in other states. Manufacturing jobs pay 7.4 percent less in right-to-work states.”

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-20/why-global-economies-face-an-age-of-deflation.html

Comment by ecofeco
2013-03-21 07:03:27

Haven’t you heard? The Citi Group Plutonomy Report say you don’t need customers in a 75% retail driven economy… like ours.

Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 07:30:15

Pimping the LIE that inflation is not under-reported:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-the-cpi-is-not-misleading-2013-03-21

Comment by Rental Watch
2013-03-21 09:39:45

There is no denying that the BLS changed their methods around 1980, that tends to understate CPI relative to prior methods.

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Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-03-21 14:02:38

CPI isn’t inflation. Smarten up Rental Pimp.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 06:00:52

Cyprus, European data rattle shares and euro
By Richard Hubbard
LONDON | Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:40am EDT

(Reuters) - Signs the euro zone’s economic downturn is deepening and worries over a possible financial meltdown in Cyprus sent world shares, oil and the single currency lower on Thursday.

The falls could have been greater but for earlier data showing a pick-up in Chinese factory activity and the commitment by U.S. Federal Reserve on Tuesday to stick with its ultra-loose monetary policy stance.

But the euro and European shares moved decisively lower, with the single currency briefly dipping below $1.29 to the dollar, following weak readings of the March Purchasing Manager’s Indexes (PMIs), which showed activity across the 17-nation currency bloc slowing from already weak levels.

The data revealed that German growth was starting to suffer from the euro zone’s renewed problems and again highlighted a widening chasm with France, the region’s second largest economy.

“It (PMI data) does not look good,” Antonio Garcia Pascual, chief southern European economist at Barclays. “Maybe we were expecting it in France but the weakness in Germany was a surprise.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 06:02:37

All Cyprus plan Bs look dreadful
By Hugo Dixon
March 20, 2013

The Cypriots have an expression: eninboro allo. It means: I cannot take any more of it.

There was jubilation last night outside the small Mediterranean island’s parliament when every single MP either voted against a plan to tax depositors or abstained. The message was that people of Cyprus had had enough and weren’t going to let the big bullies, led by Germany, boss them around.

The plan to tax insured deposits was a dreadful mistake – I have described it as legalised bank robbery. But the deposit tax was part of an unpalatable but available 10 billion euro bailout, agreed with the euro zone. That plan A is now at risk. As Cypriots contemplate possible plan Bs, their jubilation may start to fade: all of them are also dreadful.

 
Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 06:08:44

Loan sharks in pinstripes:

“Some of the nation’s largest banks are providing short-term loans with interest rates of up to 300 percent, driving borrowers into a cycle of debt, according to a new report from the Center for Responsible Lending.

The study, due out Thursday, gives an updated look at the perils of advance-deposit loans offered by Wells Fargo, U.S. Bancorp, Regions Bank, Fifth Third Bank, Guaranty Bank and Bank of Oklahoma. Banks bristle at comparisons to storefront payday lenders, but researchers say their products carry the same abusive high-interest rates and balloon payments.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/big-banks-engaging-in-payday-lending-report-says/2013/03/20/26e777ce-919f-11e2-9abd-e4c5c9dc5e90_story.html

Comment by ecofeco
2013-03-21 07:05:00

Hooray for usury!

Coming soon: debtors prison and work houses for the kids!

Comment by In Colorado
2013-03-21 07:51:53

Banksters rule!

 
 
Comment by oxide
2013-03-21 08:38:54

They’ve been doing this for a long time. I’m old enough to remember the days when checks actually bounced and credit cards were rejected in restaurants if they had maxed out. Now they accept the overcharge, add the debt to the pile, and slap on a huge late fee.

Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 12:26:18
Comment by ecofeco
2013-03-21 14:04:55

Already outdated by inflation.

This needs to be raised 50k.

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Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-03-21 14:21:18

Wages went up 66%? When did that happen?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 06:10:06

Already Gone

March 21, 2013, 6:15 a.m. EDT
Cypriots prefer euro-zone exit over EU tax: report
By Sara Sjolin

LONDON (MarketWatch) — An overwhelming majority of the citizens in Cyprus would rather leave the euro zone than accept an unprecedented levy on bank deposits as part of bailout package, Greek daily Ekathimerini reported on Thursday, citing a survey by Prime Consulting. The survey found that 91% of the Cypriots back the government’s decision to reject the proposed bank-deposit tax, while 67% preferred a euro-zone exit along with stronger ties to Russia. Former Cypriot Foreign Minister Giorgos Lillikas said the international lenders’ suggested bank levy would destroy the country’s banking system, and a Cyprus exit could lead to a collapse of the euro zone, the report said. Cypriot lawmakers were scheduled to resume crisis talks on Thursday to come up with a plan to save the country from bankruptcy. The European Central Bank said it would suspend emergency help for Cyprus after Monday March 25, unless the struggling nation reaches a bailout agreement with the European Union and International Monetary Fund.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-03-21 07:35:26

67% preferred a euro-zone exit along with stronger ties to Russia.

Wow, that euro is working out great.

 
Comment by Neuromance
2013-03-21 09:07:13

Cyprus is an example of what happens when a country loses control of its currency.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 06:12:29

Rapidly-spiraling prices on ever-shrinking volume…haven’t we seen this movie before?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 06:14:27

March 21, 2013, 9:06 a.m. EDT
Stock futures continue struggle after claims
By Kate Gibson and Barbara Kollmeyer, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — U.S. stock futures wavered on either side of neutral Thursday as data showed continued improvement in the U.S. labor market and as Cyprus dealt with an ultimatum from the European Central Bank.

Stock-market volumes have been lackluster, setting some at-or-near record lows on days when equities look unstoppable. There’s the feeling that even though the $100 bill on the sidewalk looks real, you want to be very casual when you pick it up. Just in case it’s really a fake and your buddies are playing a joke on you,” Nicholas Colas, ConvergEx Group chief market strategist, wrote in emailed research.

Comment by Carl Morris
2013-03-21 08:36:23

Or maybe you should be a little more curious where that steamroller sound is coming from.

 
 
Comment by Jingle Male
2013-03-21 06:17:13

Yes in 2004-2006. The difference today is prices are still below reproduction costs (lot value impairment) and loans are only being made to qualified borrowers.

In 2006, prices were 200% of cost and if you could fog a mirror, you could get a 125% funding.

Just two “minor” differences.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 06:21:48

I was talking about stocks, but I’m glad you understand that my remark is equally relevant to housing, given the Fed’s $85 bn a month in QE3 stimulus includes $40 bn in monthly MBS purchases.

Comment by azdude
2013-03-21 07:23:44

how much of a deficit are we running this year? isnt it over a trillion? So in order to keep the party going someone has to buy 1 trillion in debt instruments form the US treasury. So if the FED is buying 45 billion/ month x 12 that is 540 billion. I hope the other folks keep buying the billions in debt instruments so the party goes on.

What would happen to the economy if they stopped borrowing?

Should we be fixing the fundamentals in the economy like the lack of private jobs and businesses that pay the taxes?

Create a thriving environment for the private sector and this economy will boom. Instead we have more regulation and fees so they can hire more govt workers.

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Comment by In Colorado
2013-03-21 07:53:58

IIRC, the deficit is “supposed” to be in the 800B range. Still a boatload of money. The Fed will remain busy.

 
 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-03-21 06:41:47

So, the lot is actually worth more than it is selling for now?

One doesn’t hear that often.

Comment by AmazingRuss
2013-03-21 07:32:43

It’s worth what it sells for. No more, no less.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2013-03-21 09:11:29

@Blue Skye: If you are a follower of RALs garbage, I may not have any credibility with you, but I’ll share my observations anyway.

For a long time during the crash, investors and builders were able to buy land for a fraction of the infrastructure costs. Example, it cost $20MM to grade the land, put in sewer infrastructure, utilities, curbs, roads, etc., and people were able to buy for, say, $4MM from the bank that foreclosed (this is actually pretty close to an example in which we have invested).

The lots cost more to replace than they sold for (in RE investing vernacular, negative residual land value).

For a while, some people would turn around and sell for more than they paid to make a quick buck…say, $8MM. Builders bought some of this land, either at $4MM, or $8MM…so they are able to build homes and sell them for less than replacement cost and make a profit, even today, since they have some of this land left to build upon.

Land values going essentially very negative is a pretty rare situation…it doesn’t happen during every downturn.

Builders have been building on these lots acquired below replacement cost at a slow pace throughout the downturn (they were competing with foreclosures…with lesser demand overall). However, we are now seeing that construction activity pick up, and since the number of these lots held at below replacement cost are finite, we are beginning to see the value of such land that is still in the hands of investors move quickly back up to be equal to the cost of infrastructure (in my example, $20MM).

However, even at $20MM, that still values the land at $0.

When will land prices stabilize? Once builders have a real choice between buying tentatively mapped lots, putting in the infrastructure, and having it cost competitive with buying the lots that are already built. However, that raw land needs to be approved for building…and since the entitlement processing slowed considerably, there is less than usual available land to build upon. And much of THAT is also in the hands of investors. I know one such investor, and he said that he doesn’t plan to sell any of the entitled land that he purchased during the downturn for at least a year or two (he sees the supply shortage of approved land coming as well).

In CA, since a fair bit of the land will be converted from ag land to housing, the spike up in the value of agricultural land won’t help things…because the builders will have to pay more for the land to begin with. Add on top of things any increase in the cost of fuel, concrete, steel, asphalt, copper, etc. (the inputs needed to take land from raw form to finished), and it gets even more expensive to finish the lots…further supporting the value of the existing finished lots.

It’s a perfect storm in CA when it comes to residential land values…and not in the way that will drive values down.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2013-03-21 10:24:11

I agree with most here at least occasionally. I am pretty firmly set with the idea that the collapse of the bubble has only begun to play out. So, though I may read with some interest comments to the contrary, I often find the assertions incredible. Footnote the Realtor syndicate doesn’t help.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-03-21 10:39:07

I was labeled “permabear” on housing in our office from about 2003-2005. In 2005, people started to see what I was talking about with respect to housing. Post crash, the most attractive investment we saw for a few years was buying these lots at less than replacement cost under the theory that eventually land would be worth $0 again.

Now I’m among the more bullish in our office, but with a very real fear that we have a spike up again in prices followed by another crash. My hope is that development can pick up fast enough to add supply to the market to calm things down, but with CA having a fundamental supply shortage (bodies vs. rooftops), and tough entitlement processes, I don’t see that happening.

My fear of spike and later crash would be exacerbated further if I thought underwriting standards on loans would become as lax as they were during 2005/2006…but I still hold out hope that lender’s/investor’s memories aren’t THAT short.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-03-21 14:31:19

I may not have any credibility

You’re right. You don’t. Why? You continue to misrepresent the truth about housing fundamentals.

You’re a proven liar over and over again.

 
 
Comment by Jingle Male
2013-03-21 14:24:50

The lot cost more to manufacture than the value at which it is held on the books. Many builders wrote down finished lots to $15,000 each, when the cost to create finished lots is about $60,000 each in the Sacramento area. Even if you obtained the land for free, construction of new finished lots exceeds the “book value” for the builders existing inventory.

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Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-03-21 14:32:49

I have a bulletin for you. A site package is $20k MAX and that includes water and sewer.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-03-21 17:29:16

Does your $20k include the roads/curbs within the subdivision? Does it include the permit costs? Does it include any offsite improvements necessary to bring the utilities to the site?

You continue to talk about a site package…which I assume is a single lot on a road where the utilities are already located.

We are talking about the development of new subdivisions, which often times requires extension of public services to the land (which, depending on topography, can include sewer lift stations, etc.), and the construction of roads throughout the new subdivision.

For new subdivisions, $20k per lot isn’t close to reality.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-03-21 17:52:48

“we”?

You got at frog in your pocket? Understand this. For as long as the blog owner sees fit, you’re not gonna dominate the conversation here.

You continue to pretend to know what you’re talking about and once again, you’re misrepresenting the truth about housing, in this case site work. Now the truth is a mere 28% of all residential construction involves establishing line and grade, potable and sanitary pipe and installing process/asphalt/curbs. Over 80% of these nickel and dime projects are funded by municipal gov, NOT the retail customer.

So you keep carrying on with raft bull$hit and lies and I’ll keep informing the public what kind of liar you are.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-03-21 18:37:28

And how much of the 72% is rebuilding of old structures? Lots that were never built upon? Renovation? Multi-family development adjacent to commercial properties (including high rise condos)?

Greenfield development…where a substantial portion of new single-family homes are developed in CA include all of the above. And boy do I wish the municipalities would pay for the improvements…ever heard of Prop 13 (which gutted the ability of municipalities to pay for infrastructure)? Ever heard of Mello Roos (Community Facilities District Bonds)? Ever needed to do the math to determine how much money could be borrowed on a CFD before the extra assessment impacted the ability to sell the home (and therefore you needed to add the extra development costs to the traditionally funded capital structure)?

Again, until you’ve been involved in developing land in CA, you really have no idea what it costs.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-03-21 18:47:08

We do business in all 48 states…. all them.

You’re changing the subject so fast you can’t keep your stories straight.

You’re a liar.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-03-21 18:55:27

So then, you have no excuse being so clueless about the costs here.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-03-21 19:01:28

You’re a liar. You know, we know it.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-03-21 19:40:19

Get help liar.

 
Comment by ahansen
2013-03-21 22:12:04

In pimpworld, apparently, everything is lain out on a nice flat grid where water runs free, utilities run to site, and county governments function fairly and efficiently.

It is not possible to permit and dig a simple well here for 20K, let alone grade a roadway and a lot, trench in utilities, (hooking up to the existing electrical grid, for example, costs a minimum of 5K before the per foot charges to bring power to the site. Solar is equally expensive for even minimum capacity). A septic tank runs 2K plus delivery and installation. Propane tank delivery and plumbing, fire water tank delivery and plumbing, pump house and electrical, telephone line (no cell reception), seismic, hydrological, compaction studies. Then there are fire, school, community taxes, county permits and assessment fees, EPA reports and impact studies….

All this before layout even begins.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-03-21 23:02:37

Compaction studies…..

It’s a bubble. You guys think it is over.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-03-22 05:11:12

Roller bit well-$7/ft
Auger bit well-3/ft
1000 gal precast septic-$1500(flown off truck and into hole)
Splitter box and SDR lateral pipe-$400
Mass excavation, building-$5k
Minor trenching and site and structure backfill, $6k
Asphalt, fine grading, seed and misc. concrete, $7k

So we’ve got the site work covered and we’re still at $20k.

You just don’t know what you’re talking about.

 
 
 
Comment by Bigguy
2013-03-21 06:46:20

Loans only being made to qualified buyers? Ahahahahahahaha

If all the loans are guaranteed by good ole Uncle Sam what do you think the quality of underwriting will turn out to be once it is actually looked at years from now?

Comment by azdude
2013-03-21 07:48:04

hopefully better than countrywide?

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Comment by brother_jimmy
2013-03-21 11:02:29

My neighbor in Phoenix says we cannot be in a bubble because banks won’t give out loans to anyone with less than 20% down. She has this on good authority from some family members in RE.

 
Comment by azdude
2013-03-21 12:18:57

I know parts on the outskirts are eligible for 0 down rural loans.

 
Comment by Bigguy
2013-03-21 20:18:05

20% down? Ahahahahahahaha. I know lots of 3 per centers! I heard of a zero down in the last month. No special quirks that would justify. Nah, looking back they’ll see the truth. Anything goes to pump it up.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2013-03-21 08:44:14

Fannie and Freddie are a lot pickier about what new loans they agree to buy these days. At least they were picky for my mortgage. F&F need fresh good money to backstop the crap paper that they were forced to buy when they took over private-sector F&F. It was private-sector F&F of 2004-2006 that approved the mirror-fog loans.

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Comment by Bigguy
2013-03-21 20:20:25

The government is backing practically every loan including those 3 % down specials. That ain’t being picky. I’d bet the single biggest factor (or close to it) in determining worthiness is skin in the game. Everything else can be massaged.

 
 
 
Comment by bunga bunga
2013-03-21 07:06:29

if you could fog a mirror

You still do. Even better a government backed loan.

 
 
 
Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 06:25:59

Some local news, coastal elitist, libtard bedwetters move to Colorado, bringing their nanny-state ideologies, elect Feinstein fascists, and destroy jobs:

“Ammunition magazine manufacturer Magpul Industries said it plans to begin leaving Colorado “almost immediately,” and other firms may follow suit in the wake of a new law that limits ammunition magazine capacities.

“Our moving efforts are underway,” Magpul chief operating officer Doug Smith said Wednesday. “Within the next 30 days we will manufacture our first magazine outside the state of Colorado.”

Erie-based Magpul, with about 200 workers, is the largest Colorado company that potentially would be affected by the bill.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/big-banks-engaging-in-payday-lending-report-says/2013/03/20/26e777ce-919f-11e2-9abd-e4c5c9dc5e90_story.html

Comment by In Colorado
2013-03-21 08:40:00

Yeah, Bill Owens did such a great job when the GOP controlled the state houses and governor’s mansion.

Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 09:26:20

That’s before our time living here. We agree with the libtard bedwetters on legalized weed and homo-gay civil unions, but not on the nanny-staters’ gun grab.

Comment by In Colorado
2013-03-21 10:20:34

Before Owens the state ran surpluses, which had to be refunded to taxpayers per TABOR. I got quite a few nice refunds in the 90’s.

Owens also campaigned on “family values” (he later divorced his wife). I regret admitting that I voted for him.

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Comment by joe smith
2013-03-21 11:00:53

Sounds like he’s a big Bill O’Reilly fan. (O’Reilly fooled around on his wife so she divorced him. After being married 12 years and having 2 kids, he tried to have the marriage annulled by the Catholic Church, to which he is a big donor. He also tried and failed to have the Nassau County (NY) police internal affairs investigate her new husband, who is a Nassau County detective. Then, he was a really crappy dad to the kids and tied his wife up in custody court trying to have *her* declared an unfit parent.)

————
““family values” (he later divorced his wife). “

 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-03-21 11:25:26

he tried to have the marriage annulled by the Catholic Church

We’ll see if he gets one. Contrary to popular belief, they don’t hand them out like candy. I know more than a few couples who couldn’t get one.

The overwhelming majority are granted when it is learned that there was a previous valid marriage involved.

For example:

Bob and Sue want an annulment. Turns out Sue was previously married to Jim and upon inspection Sue and Jim’s marriage was valid. So Bob and Sue’s marriage is annulled. Bob is free to remarry, but Sue is not (she’s still married to Jim).

 
Comment by oxide
2013-03-21 12:59:07

If Sue was Catholic, how did she get the annulment to Jim so she could marry Bob in the first place?

 
 
Comment by MightyMike
2013-03-21 17:51:52

We agree with the libtard bedwetters on legalized weed and homo-gay civil unions, but not on the nanny-staters’ gun grab.

So you only wet the bed two out of three nights?

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Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 18:17:24

What happens in the bedroom, in your BONG, and in your gun safe and at the firing range is not the business of government.

 
 
 
 
Comment by joe smith
2013-03-21 08:51:11

As a visual aid to your “coastal elite bedwetter” point, here’s a gift from my phone.

http://picpaste.com/nprfrontdoor-362MyChV.jpg

Comment by aNYCdj
2013-03-21 16:22:23

Joe NPR is government controlled radio……read the history of NPR…they hogged up so many of the high powered education frequencies that real colleges high schools journalism broadcasting schools couldn’t even get an 100 watt FM frequency.

I have always been for defunding NPR and and giving the people back the air waves. aka local community radio, at least 1 in every market..

Npr has always been for the 1% notice how many shows for minorities they have

 
 
Comment by Northeastener
2013-03-21 10:53:40

Some local news, coastal elitist, libtard bedwetters move to Colorado, bringing their nanny-state ideologies, elect Feinstein fascists, and destroy jobs:

It gets better. Colorado is going to lose a ton of money from the hunting/fishing/outdoors industry.

“Outdoor Channel Blacklists Colorado Over Gun Control Laws”

The Libtarded will destroy the state of CO…

Comment by Northeastener
2013-03-21 10:54:37

eh, may have a missing italics in there.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-03-21 11:16:12

How much is a “ton”? I’d wager that a lot more people come to visit Rocky Mountain National Park than come to shoot deer or fish in our drought diminished lakes.

Comment by Northeastener
2013-03-21 11:30:34

I’ve seen numbers quoted of up to $800 Million in revenue to the state from out-of-state hunting, fishing, outdoors type venues.

You did this to yourselves. Even NY is now backpedaling on the 7 round magazine limits because it’s unconstitutional and unenforceable.

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Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 12:12:22

Yeah, but weed has been legal here for a few months now. And as of today, civil unions are legal.

All those loud, scary guns are harshing my mellow.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-03-21 12:57:36

So you’re saying that will all dry up? They aren’t banning hunting rifles here, you know? I don’t see how a few assault rifle makers leaving the state will affect hunters.

If there is game to hunt, why wouldn’t they come? Will they not come to fish because they can’t buy an over sized clip here?

This really strikes me as a tempest in a teapot.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-03-21 13:05:49

After a quick looksie, it appears that Colorado is the place for Elk Hunting. I wonder if hunters will really boycott Colorado to hunt on “not so green” pastures elsewhere.

 
Comment by Northeastener
2013-03-21 13:06:31

If there is game to hunt, why wouldn’t they come?

It’s called a boycott, and it’s being pushed by the firearms industry for anti-2A legislation. The new law is convoluted and draconian and no one wants to be made an example of. Easy enough if your’e Outdoor Channel to say to your viewers “Skip Colorado because their gun laws are draconian and head to X. You won’t be arrested in X and I guarantee you’ll have just as good a time.”

 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2013-03-21 14:10:59

Nobody is going to stop hunting in Colorado.

Comment by Northeastener
2013-03-21 14:30:53

Just like “Obama isn’t going to take away your guns”… I recall you said that a number of times last year.

You were at least partially correct: It wasn’t Obama, it was Biden, Feinstein, and all the Libtarded Democrats at the state level.

Why don’t you tell this guy what you were telling us about no one taking our guns…
seems all he did was let his FFL expire.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2013-03-21 18:38:44

and of course he is WHITE….lets see them do this in camden or gary or compton

 
 
 
Comment by snake charmer
2013-03-21 14:53:10

I predict that Colorado is going to be fine. Think people are going to start visiting Alabama instead?

There are, believe it or not, gun owners who think the restrictions are a good idea.

 
 
 
Comment by hazard
2013-03-21 06:31:34

Fed Keeps Easing, Not Worried About Stock Bubble

Published: Wednesday, 20 Mar 2013 | 2:33 PM ET

By: Jeff Cox
CNBC.com Senior Writer

Cyprus does not pose a threat to the U.S. economy or financial system and there are no signs of stock market bubble, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke said on Tuesday.

The Fed chief told reporters that the central bank was monitoring the situation in Cyprus. “At this point, we’re not seeing a major risk to the U.S. financial system or the U.S. economy,” he said.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100574063 - -

Greenspan: No irrational exuberance, stocks undervalued

By Chris Isidore @CNNMoneyInvest March 15, 2013: 11:43 AM ET

Greenspan said the current stock run is due to reduced fears that the European sovereign debt crisis would crash economies around the world. He also seemed to dismiss the idea that the Federal Reserve’s asset purchase program is responsible for driving stocks higher.

During the run up in housing prices that would eventually be blamed for the 2008 global financial meltdown, Greenspan denied there were any signs of a housing bubble, saying that home values were only “frothy.” He later conceded that he was “shocked” when the financial system “broke down” that year.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/15/investing/greenspan-irrational-exuberance/index.html - 63k -

Comment by hazard
2013-03-21 07:10:21

I can`t find that Jane Wells tweet anymore, maybe eco can.

Comment by hazard
2013-03-21 07:27:20

Found it.

Friday, March 8, 2013 8:08

Jane Wells: “Wow. Just attended forecast dinner for San Diego CFA. Bottom line, central banks are literally papering over everything and it’s all a lie.”

https://twitter.com/janewells/status/309887535948107776

2013-03-08 08:00:12

Source: http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=218493

http://beforeitsnews.com/economy/2013/03/the-market-ticker-to-the-fema-re-education-camp-with-you-2497938.html - 22k -

Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 07:51:36

Who will staff the FEMA Re-education Camps? FEMA Youth Corps:

http://www.fema.gov/fema-corps

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Comment by ecofeco
2013-03-21 14:18:42

Who needs camps when you already have debt serfdom?

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-03-21 14:25:39

Who needs fences if the whole world is a prison?

 
Comment by rms
2013-03-21 22:41:04

Who will staff the FEMA Re-education Camps?

…a la the Brown Shirts.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 08:44:56

As long as the Fed keeps on denying they are blowing a stock bubble, it won’t exist.

Comment by azdude
2013-03-21 09:37:50

greenspan said stocks are undervalued and there is no irrational exuberance.

Comment by Weed Wacker
2013-03-22 00:03:40

Up up and awaaaaahey in my beautiful my beautiful balloooooon. :)

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Comment by ann gogh
2013-03-21 07:44:54

Why Is The World Economy Doomed? The Global Financial Pyramid Scheme By The Numbers

Posted on March 20, 2013 by Michael Snyder—No Comments ↓

Why is the global economy in so much trouble? How can so many people be so absolutely certain that the world financial system is going to crash? Well, the truth is that when you take a look at the cold, hard numbers it is not difficult to see why the global financial pyramid scheme is destined to fail. In the United States today, there is approximately 56 trillion dollars of total debt in our financial system, but there is only about 9 trillion dollars in our bank accounts. So you could take every single penny out of the banks, multiply it by six, and you still would not have enough money to pay off all of our debts. Overall, there is about 190 trillion dollars of total debt on the planet. But global GDP is only about 70 trillion dollars. And the total notional value of all derivatives around the globe is somewhere between 600 trillion and 1500 trillion dollars. So we have a gigantic problem on our hands. The global financial system is a very shaky house of cards that has been constructed on a foundation of debt, leverage and incredibly risky derivatives. We are living in the greatest financial bubble in world history, and it isn’t going to take much to topple the entire thing. And when it falls, it is going to be the largest financial disaster in the history of the planet.

The global financial system is more interconnected today than ever before, and a crisis at one major bank or in one area of the world can spread at lightning speed. As I wrote about yesterday, the entire European banking system is leveraged 26 to 1 at this point. A decline in asset values of just 4 percent would totally wipe out the equity of many of those banks, and once a financial panic begins we could potentially see major financial institutions start to go down like dominoes.

We got a small taste of what that is like back in 2008, and it is inevitable that it will happen again.

Anyone that would tell you that the current global financial system is sustainable does not know what they are talking about. Just look at the numbers that I have posted below.

The following is the global financial pyramid scheme by the numbers…

-$9,283,000,000,000 - The total amount of all bank deposits in the United States. The FDIC has just 25 billion dollars in the deposit insurance fund that is supposed to “guarantee” those deposits. In other words, the ratio of total bank deposits to insurance fund money is more than 371 to 1.

-$10,012,800,000,000 - The total amount of mortgage debt in the United States. As you can see, you could take every penny out of every bank account in America and it still would not cover it.

-$10,409,500,000,000 - The M2 money supply in the United States. This is probably the most commonly used measure of the total amount of money in the U.S. economy.

-$15,094,000,000,000 - U.S. GDP. It is a measure of all economic activity in the United States for a single year.

-$16,749,269,587,407.53 - The size of the U.S. national debt. It has grown by more than 10 trillion dollars over the past ten years.

-$32,000,000,000,000 - The total amount of money that the global elite have stashed in offshore banks (that we know about).

-$50,230,844,000,000 - The total amount of government debt in the world.

-$56,280,790,000,000 - The total amount of debt (government, corporate, consumer, etc.) in the U.S. financial system.

-$61,000,000,000,000 - The combined total assets of the 50 largest banks in the world.

-$70,000,000,000,000 - The approximate size of total world GDP.

-$190,000,000,000,000 - The approximate size of the total amount of debt in the entire world. It has nearly doubled in size over the past decade.

-$212,525,587,000,000 - According to the U.S. government, this is the notional value of the derivatives that are being held by the top 25 banks in the United States. But those banks only have total assets of about 8.9 trillion dollars combined. In other words, the exposure of our largest banks to derivatives outweighs their total assets by a ratio of about 24 to 1.

-$600,000,000,000,000 to $1,500,000,000,000,000 - The estimates of the total notional value of all global derivatives generally fall within this range. At the high end of the range, the ratio of derivatives to global GDP is more than 21 to 1.

Are you starting to get the picture?

Every single day, the total amount of debt will continue to grow faster than the total amount of money until the day that this bubble bursts.

What we witnessed back in 2008 was just a little “hiccup” in the system. It caused the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression, but global financial authorities were able to get things stabilized.

Next time it won’t be so easy.

The next wave of the economic collapse is quickly approaching. A full-blown economic depression has already started in southern Europe. Unemployment is at record highs and economic activity is contracting rapidly.

The major offshore banking centers in Cyprus are on the verge of collapsing. It was just announced that they will now be closed until Tuesday, but nobody really knows for sure when they will be allowed to reopen. And there is already talk that when they do reopen that there will be strict limits on how much money people can take out.

And now the IMF is warning that the three biggest banks in Slovenia are failing and that a billion euros will be needed to bail them out.

The dominoes are starting to tumble, and the United States won’t be immune. In fact, the greatest financial problems that the United States has ever seen are on the horizon.

But you can just have faith that Ben Bernanke, Barack Obama and the U.S. Congress know exactly what they are doing and will be able to save us from the coming financial collapse if you want.

The mainstream media will provide you with all of the positive economic news that you could possibly want. They are giddy about the fact that the Dow keeps hitting all-time highs and they would have us all believe that we are in the midst of a robust economic recovery. You can listen to them if you want to.

But when you are tempted to believe that everything is going to be “okay” somehow, just go back and look at the numbers there were posted above one more time.

There is no way that the global financial pyramid scheme is going to be able to hold up for too much longer. At some point it is going to totally collapse. When that happens, will you be ready?

Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 07:58:39

Excellent essay.

The number one way we have prepared for a TEOTWAWKI scenario is by not breeding more mini-humanoids.

Comment by ann gogh
2013-03-21 08:23:30

Im horrible with big numbers. even though i posted it, can you translate it?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 08:46:31

Just ignore the first (rightmost) twelve decimal places and think in round trillions — much easier to digest that way!

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Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 08:47:34

Math is fun. The 1,500 trillion (or 1.5 quadrillion) of derivatives = $200,000 for each of the planet’s approximately 7.5 billion humanoids.

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Comment by In Colorado
2013-03-21 08:01:16

Karl Marx might get the last laugh.

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Comment by In Colorado
2013-03-21 10:17:04

They’re laughing now, of that I no doubt.

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Comment by cactus
2013-03-21 09:12:31

There is no way that the global financial pyramid scheme is going to be able to hold up for too much longer. At some point it is going to totally collapse. When that happens, will you be ready?”

ready? how does one get ready for a banking collaspe?

Comment by michael
2013-03-21 09:34:03

a friend of mines grandparents hid a few gold bars in their vaccum cleaner last time.

 
Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 09:36:35

ready?

The majority of USA humanoids are not ready. But Obama’s SA brownshirts in the DHS are. Billions and billions of hollow point round ready…

Comment by joe smith
2013-03-21 10:11:31

There’s no doubt about it, the hollow point ammo is intended for teabillies if it ever comes to it. And I think it’s insane, why would they use that ammo when they have so many superior methods (chemical weapons, biological weapons, missiles, etc)?

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Comment by spook
2013-03-21 11:56:31

Like Agent Orange.

 
Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 11:58:13

Consider what one Chris Dorner was able to do, tying up the law enforcement resources of all of Southern California.

Now imagine a thousand lone wolves conducting asymmetrical warfare against the USA, some striking only once then retreating into isolation for years after.

The real threats that Obama’s DHS are after aren’t gathering on the National Mall or driving around with scary snake flag stickers on their F-150’s.

They are invisible, and silent.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-03-21 12:52:11

Now imagine a thousand lone wolves conducting asymmetrical warfare against the USA, some striking only once then retreating into isolation for years after.

It’s very simple … you go after their families. That will get the would be “freedom fighter’s” attention.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-03-21 13:00:36

That’s true, if you know who they are.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-03-21 13:07:24

It won’t be that hard to find out. Someone will snitch.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-03-21 13:42:53

If anyone knows. It would be easy to operate in the manner that the DC snipers did back in ‘02 without anybody knowing.

 
 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2013-03-21 14:20:36

By or before mid century, the 4 Horsemen will ride.

 
 
Comment by ann gogh
2013-03-21 08:21:55

Breaking News: My IRA is up three thousand dollars since 2008!
There really is a new recovery!

Comment by azdude
2013-03-21 09:40:52

have you ever wondered why the NRA was formed, pretty interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/9RABZq5IoaQ?feature=player_embedded

 
Comment by ann gogh
2013-03-21 10:24:59

My Healthcare just went up another 1,200 a year and that was after the 14% increase from last year plus the increase for turning 55 two years ago! Pretty soon it will be a mortgage payment! How are y’all doing out there with your premiums?

Comment by In Colorado
2013-03-21 11:13:49

My employer was able to keep the increase (my portion) down to a few hundred per year.

 
Comment by ann gogh
2013-03-21 11:54:09

ObamaCare Backlash
By DICK MORRIS
Published on TheHill.com on March 19, 2013

It’s worth remembering that President Obama decided not to let his new ObamaCare scheme take effect until 2014. At the time of its passage in 2010, it seemed politically wise to delay its implementation. Republicans won the election of 2010 and lost that of 2012. But the full impact of the new law will begin to become apparent in 2014 and the effect will be horrific, deeply damaging the Obama administration and the Democrats who backed it.

The main brunt of the impact will be on premiums for health insurance coverage. They will skyrocket in very short order. The Heritage Foundation estimates the increases by state. Here’s a sample:

State Premiums Rise By Percentage

California 42-69%
Florida 61%
Georgia 61-100%
Illinois 61%
Michigan 35-63%
New Jersey 39%
North Carolina 61%
Ohio 55-106%
Pennsylvania 39%
Texas 35-63%
Virginia 75-82%

Why such draconian increases? Heritage ascribes it to two provisions of the new law.

The first restricts health insurers from charging any one age group more than three times the premium it charges any other one. This 3-1 ratio — typically between the older, non-Medicare portion of the covered population and the young group — is the brain child of the social planners. The actual figure is about 5-1 — it costs about five times as much to insure older patients than younger ones. Because, obviously, companies are not going to cut the premiums for the older patients, they will increase them for the younger ones so they can meet the 3-1 ratio. That means big increases for younger families.

The second provision that pushes up premiums is the tendency of the new law to kill its customers with kindness by requiring all manner of illnesses and treatments to be covered, and covered generously. Mental health, dental care and such are all required in any policy. And the law restricts any effort by insurance companies to limit the utilization of these services. So the premiums will rise for everybody.

The result of this premium inflation will be that more and more employers will refuse to continue to cover their workers and will find it far cheaper to pay the penalties in the law than to underwrite the vastly more expensive policies. Tens of millions of Americans will lose their insurance and have to buy coverage from the insurance exchanges Obama is creating — at a multiple of their current premium’s cost. The ObamaCare subsidies are limited and will not begin to make up for the increased costs. And, to make matters worse, employers will be obliged to pay an annual $65 tax per employee to subsidize catastrophic coverage for the most expensive patients.

Obama’s real goal, of course, is to destroy employment-related insurance and force everyone into the insurance exchanges. This will lay the basis for single-payer, government-funded, socialized medicine in the United States: his stated goal.

The political consequences of these premium increases are going to be horrific. Voters will realize how fraudulent Obama was in predicting average premium cuts of $2,500 per family. And the full dimensions of this misguided law will become apparent.

The result will be a gradual and continuing erosion of Obama’s favorability until he gets his clock cleaned in the 2014 election. Normally, of course, sixth year-elections are a total wipeout for the incumbent party. FDR lost a hundred seats in the House in 1938. Truman lost control of Congress in 1946.

Eisenhower lost more than a dozen Senate seats in 1958. Nixon/Ford suffered massive losses in 1974. Reagan lost the Senate in 1988, as did Bush in 2006. Only Clinton, with Republicans self-destructing over impeachment, avoided severe losses. Obama will fall victim to the general trend, but his losses will increase as the economy fails to recover and health insurance becomes unaffordable.

Comment by joe smith
2013-03-21 12:31:32

I read up to the point where it said “By Dick Morris”.

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Comment by In Colorado
2013-03-21 12:50:15

State Premiums Rise By Percentage

California 42-69%
Florida 61%
Georgia 61-100%

If that isn’t a compelling case to get rid of our for profit medical-industrial complex, I don’t know what is.

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Comment by oxide
2013-03-21 13:32:56

Dick Morris agrees with you, Colorado:

Obama’s real goal, of course, is to destroy employment-related insurance and force everyone into the insurance exchanges. This will lay the basis for single-payer, government-funded, socialized medicine in the United States: his stated goal.

To the rich, socialized healthcare sounds like a nightmare. But to those poor who have no access at all and suffer from needed root canals or untreated diseases, it could be a godsend. I suspect that we’ll eventually have a system closer to the Germans or Japanese, with some base care for everyone and elective insurance on top.

 
 
 
Comment by ann gogh
2013-03-21 12:43:10

I told ‘ya I hate math. I only pay 4 times a year, so my affordable health care bill only went up 400.00 a year. Last year it went from 549.00 a quarter to 941.00 a quarter.
some people need private chefs, I need a private accountants!
Bow Down Beyonce!

Comment by aNYCdj
2013-03-21 18:53:02

I wondered how long it would take JayZ to make beyonce GHETTO …..

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Comment by ecofeco
2013-03-21 14:23:39

What is this “healthcare” you speak of?

Comment by ann gogh
2013-03-21 15:22:15

The affordable Care act.

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Comment by snake charmer
2013-03-21 15:02:17

My premiums went up this year by 22%. I cleaned out my file cabinet last week, and for a laugh looked at my premium statements from 2002.

 
 
 
Comment by cactus
2013-03-21 09:07:02

Bubble forming or new normal ?

SACRAMENTO — After six years of waiting on the sidelines, newly eager home buyers across the country are discovering that there are not enough houses for sale to accommodate the recent flush of demand.

“In my 27 years I’ve never seen inventories this low,” said Kurt K. Colgan, a broker with Lyon Real Estate in the Sacramento metropolitan area, where the share of homes on the market has plummeted by one of the largest amounts in the nation. “I’ve also never seen a market turn so quickly.”

The housing turnaround seems to have caught almost everyone in the business by surprise. As desirable as the long-awaited improvement may be, the unusually low level of homes for sale is creating widespread problems for buyers and sellers alike, leading to bidding wars and bubblelike price jumps in places that not long ago were suffering from major declines. In the Sacramento area, where the housing bust took an especially heavy toll, the median sales price has surged 15 percent over the last year, according to Zillow.

Comment by azdude
2013-03-21 09:16:58

they will never take away the punchbowl. buy a house or some stocks today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by cactus
2013-03-21 09:31:32

They will never take away the punchbowl.”

Can they take away the punch bowl ? With all the debt in the economy?

how can you pay off debt without growth ?

Comment by azdude
2013-03-21 09:39:02

you have to create new debt to pay off old debt. rob peter to pay paul?

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Comment by oxide
2013-03-21 10:11:01

There is always growth in some fashion simply by people working. The cumulative amount of labor that has been performed by people has been increasing since we fell out of the trees. To borrow what Darrell in Phoenix would say, we create 30 years of money from *poof* now, and then create 30 years of labor to fill that debt hole. Money just marks when we began to measure labor.

The problem is that banks can create money much faster than people could labor it off. And it doesn’t help that the labor is paid less money.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 19:08:14

“As desirable as the long-awaited improvement may be, the unusually low level of homes for sale is creating widespread problems for buyers and sellers alike, leading to bidding wars and bubblelike price jumps in places that not long ago were suffering from major declines.”

The problems will seem much worse once it dawns on these Sacramento market participants that this mania is unsustainable, triggering the attendant race to the exits, leaving behind a new cohort of underwater end-user bag holders.

 
 
Comment by joe smith
2013-03-21 09:10:05

Idiocracy ahead.

From today’s NYT:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/21/business/economy/as-men-lose-economic-ground-clues-in-the-family.html?src=me&ref=general

“In this telling, the economic struggles of male workers are both a cause and an effect of the breakdown of traditional households. Men who are less successful are less attractive as partners, so some women are choosing to raise children by themselves, in turn often producing sons who are less successful and attractive as partners.

“A vicious cycle may ensue,” wrote Professor Autor and his co-author, Melanie Wasserman, a graduate student, “with the poor economic prospects of less educated males creating differentially large disadvantages for their sons, thus potentially reinforcing the development of the gender gap in the next generation.”

The fall of men in the workplace is widely regarded by economists as one of the nation’s most important and puzzling trends. While men, on average, still earn more than women, the gap between them has narrowed considerably, particularly among more recent entrants to the labor force. “

Comment by spook
2013-03-21 09:36:52

I call it “peak single mom”.

Once the food and water gets low, it will get real traditional real quick.

Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 11:51:04

Well that’s kinda sexist, now isn’t it?

Comment by spook
2013-03-21 11:59:27

No worse than peak negro.

Im all set to head back to the plantation; good thing I still have my slave name.

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Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 12:09:47

What/when is “Peak Negro”? After the Sons of Aztlan take over?

 
Comment by spook
2013-03-21 16:29:48

Peak Negro is occuring right now. We rode the “black wave” all the way into the White House. Production will fall from this point on. Im tired of nonwhite people and bored with white people.

The thrill is gone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXsusJ787sU

 
 
 
 
Comment by joe smith
2013-03-21 09:37:02

If I had to describe the future of the average ‘murkan in 20 years, I would use this illustration:

http://picpaste.com/576216_630713973624726_1035597004_n-5f8kmCDf.jpg

Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 10:00:38

A re-post from a few days ago, because it’s almost lunch time:

http://versatilehealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Mcdonalds-fat-kids.bmp

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2013-03-21 18:59:53

thanks Ill check out the BK special…ok its the only fast food I eat are the 2 for $3 breakfast special, great to throw in the car before a long trip or heavy traffic

 
 
 
Comment by cactus
2013-03-21 09:24:45

Another plan to build thousands of homes on the North east side of Morrpark CA 93021.

Presently open land with oil drilling and cattle ranching with a large dump to the east.

I even got a questionare in the mail asking me ” as a new homeowner” all kinds of questions about homes. They even gave me a whole dollar to fill it out.

They are planning to build again. They will have to get voter approval Ventura County has SOAR in place. At least they needed voter apprval last time ~2006 it was voted down.

Last plan had a man made lake with multi million dollar homes and a few 300K condos for ” affordale housing “

Comment by Rental Watch
2013-03-21 09:32:09

An example of why there will be continued shortages of land on which to develop new homes…voter approval required in Ventura County.

Comment by In Colorado
2013-03-21 10:12:53

Same deal in Boulder, it’s surrounded by an “no build” green belt.

Comment by Rental Watch
2013-03-21 10:16:18

Ventura is the most extreme example I’ve seen, but there are other cities that don’t have a green belt, but limits on the numbers of permits to be issued per year (regardless of demand). There seem to be more and more of the “permit limiting” cities over time.

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Comment by joe smith
2013-03-21 10:27:08

Shockingly, not everyone wants their county/municipality to bow to the almighty forces of schlock suburbanization/sprawl developers.

Lots of these areas do not have the jobs or infrastructure to support large new residential communities, so why should they be forced to allow the building?

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-03-21 10:37:23

Lots of these areas do not have the jobs or infrastructure to support large new residential communities, so why should they be forced to allow the building?

I don’t think they should be forced to allow it if they own the land. It just gets sticky when they don’t own the land but still want to force their will on whoever does own it.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-03-21 10:42:44

Without jobs, there is no demand, without demand the builders don’t want to build.

Often times, the developers are forced to pay for the infrastructure upgrades to allow the new contruction (and sometimes more amenities for existing communities).

In any event, there are restrictions on building, either by law, or by community opposition, etc.

The bottom line is that these kinds of restrictions limit new development, thereby limiting the supply of new homes available for sale. Constraining supply doesn’t help prices fall.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-03-21 11:28:30

Speculation doesn’t exist?

What kind of outlandish lies are too shameless for you?

I’ve never read such utter BS in my life. You are a shameless liar.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-03-21 12:11:04

With a credit market that isn’t fraught with ridiculously poor underwriting, speculation is a very small part of the market. The lion’s share of housing is owned by the occupants, or landlords who rent to occupants.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-03-21 13:11:42

Na na na….We’re talking about your false statement about builders. Pay attention Liar.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-03-21 13:31:48

I’m sure development is raging in Detroit. All those speculative builders that don’t care one bit about jobs, supply and demand.

Builders build homes where they think they can sell them. They think they can sell them in places with strong job growth and/or an undersupply relative to demand.

This is why development restarts first closest to job centers, and then radiates outward as there is less opportunity to build.

Do you honestly think that builders are out there today with a “if you build it, they will come” strategy? If so, you are insane.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-03-21 13:41:30

Do you honestly believe a word your saying? If so you’re more deluded than we thought.

First you were a contractor.

Then you worked for a contractor.

Now you “know” a contractor.

What you really know? How to blow smoke up everyones ass.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-03-21 15:33:46

I’ve always been exactly the same thing…a person who has invested in real estate, including housing…so I see all sorts of parts of the business.

 
Comment by APOCALYPSE is Shostakovich
2013-03-21 15:38:23

Yeah. A liar.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Salinasron
2013-03-21 12:33:51

And water won’t be an issue?

 
 
Comment by joe smith
2013-03-21 10:13:17

New York State becomes the first state to offer cash rewards for turning in illegal gun owners via a designated Hotline.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/21/new-york-state-offers-500-reward-for-reporting-illegal-gun-owners/?test=latestnews#ixzz2OArnmmTl

It won’t be long before other states follow, probably every northeastern state within the next few years. Look for Maryland, Massachusetts, and Connecticut to follow in short order.

Comment by Northeastener
2013-03-21 11:04:13

The government’s attempts to create a Nazi Gestapo type of society will fail miserably because there are still people willing to stand up for their inalienable rights.

Bravo Company cancels lucrative firearms contract with Milwaukee Police Department over civilian firearms restrictions

Barret Firearms and 300 other companies are doing the same. Magpul is leaving CO. Beretta is threatening to leave Maryland. This is solidarity… as long as there are people like this, the Libtarded and the Statists will fail.

Comment by In Colorado
2013-03-21 12:47:19

Sure, just like they stood up to oppose the Patriot Act and the NDAA.

Comment by Northeastener
2013-03-21 13:12:33

Sure, just like they stood up to oppose the Patriot Act and the NDAA.

The sleeper has awakened.

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Comment by joe smith
2013-03-21 13:45:11

Isn’t it “go time” for you preppers?

 
Comment by oxide
2013-03-21 13:50:13

The sleeper on the other side awakened too, NE-er.
Sure Magpul may take jobs from CO because CO passed gun control, but those jobs will be replaced by some dirty f-ing hippies who bring jobs to CO… because CO passed gun control.

It’s just a continuation of the same polarization we’ve seen for decades. We very well could end up with a fractured country. And I’m sure that any President would try to maintain the union this time.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-03-21 13:55:50

hippies who bring jobs to CO… because CO passed gun control.

Really? Now that we don’t make mags and iPhone cases here any more people are going to bring jobs to the state? That was what was stopping them?

 
Comment by usury camp resident
2013-03-21 15:40:10

99.9% hippies are moochers. Just like any other greedy capitalist, Non-moocher hippies would still offshore jobs to China. [Steve Jobs and many more]

 
 
 
Comment by ann gogh
2013-03-21 15:27:50

Colt to bolt? Gun maker’s boss says company feels unwelcome in Connecticut
By Joshua Rhett Miller
Published March 21, 2013
FoxNews.com

Sergio Pereira adds a completed Colt rifle to a rack of newly assembled guns at the company headquarters in West Hartford. (Michael McAndrews/The Hartford Courant)

Jan. 28, 2013: Dennis Veilleux, CEO and president of Colt’s Manufacturing Company, speaks out against attempts to ban certain guns and push for restrictions to prevent people with mental problems from obtaining weapons at a news conference at the Legislative Office Building in Hartford, Conn. (AP)
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Colt’s Manufacturing, the company that has made the iconic gun dubbed “The Peacemaker” for more than a century, could pull up its Connecticut stakes after coming under fire in the national debate over the Second Amendment.
President and CEO Dennis Veilleux said the pro-gun control climate that has taken hold in the wake of the Sandy Hook school massacre and other firearm attacks has left him feeling unwelcome in the state his company has called home for 175 years. Proposed laws being debated by the Legislature and pushed by Gov. Dannel Malloy include a new gun offender registry, an expanded assault weapons ban, ammunition restrictions and a ban on bulk purchases of handguns. Veilleux said those measures have put Colt and its nearly 700 employees in the crosshairs.
“At some point, if you can’t sell your products … then you can’t run your business.”
- Dennis Veilleux, CEO of Colt’s Manufacturing
“At some point, if you can’t sell your products … then you can’t run your business,” Veilleux told FoxNews.com. “You need customers to buy your products to stay in business.”
Veilleux, who wrote an op-ed that appeared in The Hartford Courant this week in which he raised the prospect of leaving the state, said the company doesn’t have any such “definite plans.” But if Malloy follows through on his promise to ban the purchase and sale of AR-15 rifles, the centerpiece of the company’s business, he said leaving could become an option.
Veilleux, 47, said Colt is “constantly approached” by other states to relocate. Several red state governors have made no secret of the fact they covet firearms makers, an industry that by some measures contributes $1.7 billion annually to Connecticut’s economy.
Click for photos of Colt’s Manufacturing and Connecticut through the years
The gun company boss acknowledged that even raising the possibility of a move could be troubling to workers, whose roots in Connecticut are in many cases as deep as Colt’s.
“The employees are what the company is,” he said. “It’s not a building with a bunch of machines in it. The company is the employees. They’re proud of what they do, they represent their community – and I would say a lot more than some of the legislators do. They’re real people.”
Malloy spokesman Andrew Doba says the Democratic governor does not want Colt and its 670 employees to leave the state.
“The governor has been clear for some time that while he does not want manufacturers to leave the state, we need to move ahead with common sense gun violence prevention legislation that will improve public safety,” Doba wrote FoxNews.com in an email.
Veilleux made headlines last week when he closed down his factory and bused 400 workers to the state Capitol so they could personally urge lawmakers not to pass gun control legislation that they say could risk their livelihoods.
Connecticut’s unemployment rate was 8.2 percent in December. In Hartford County, where Colt is based and provides what Veilleux considers high-paying jobs, that figure was 8.1 percent. Both jobless rates are well above the national average of 7.7 percent.
Ron Pinciaro, executive director of Connecticut Against Gun Violence, defended the pieces of legislation currently under consideration.
“We feel that because of the enormity of the situation that happened on Dec. 14, that if we just put some Band-Aids on things, it’s really not going to be enough,” Pinciaro said.
Twenty first-graders and six educators were killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School on Dec. 14. Gunman Adam Lanza also killed his mother, Nancy Lanza, before committing suicide as police responded to the school.
Full coverage of Colt’s Manufacturing from The Hartford Courant
The shootings, as well as last year’s movie theater massacre in Aurora, Colo., have triggered a renewed debate over gun laws, especially laws governing background checks and assault rifles. On Wednesday, a Colorado ammunition magazine manufacturer went a step further than Veilleux, saying that it will leave the state after lawmakers approved new gun laws there.
Magpul Chief Operating Officer Doug Smith said the moving process has begun following the signing of a bill by Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper that bans the sale of gun magazines with more than 15 rounds. A new location has yet to be determined.
“Our moving efforts are under way,” Smith told the Denver Post. “Within the next 30 days we will manufacture our first magazine outside the state of Colorado.”
Magpul, which employs roughly 200 workers, is based in Erie, about 30 miles north of Denver. It’s the largest Colorado company that potentially would be affected by the bill, one of three state gun measures passed this year.

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Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 11:45:15

Josef Stalin would be very proud of New York.

Can’t have those kulaks getting all uppity with there gunz now.

Comment by Northeastener
2013-03-21 12:12:37

Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini… all shared a common thread even though politically they ranged from Communist to Fascist: disarmament of the general populace.

The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party. - Mao

“Ideas are far more powerful than guns. We don’t let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas?” - Stalin

Jews are prohibited from acquiring, possessing, and carrying firearms and ammunition, as well as truncheons or stabbing weapons. Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to the local police authority. Firearms and ammunition found in a Jew’s possession will be forfeited to the government without compensation.” - Nazi law 1938

Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 19:19:54

Stop harshing their mellow, dude. The Obama “O” symbol looks like a rainbow. We can all smoke legal weed and get a government stamp to officiate our buttseks and fisting, so it’s all good bro.

Just never mind the prospect of being disarmed, loaded onto boxcars, and taken to “camps” where you will be re-educated, or worse.

This is what Bloomberg, Cuomo, Feinstein, Biden, Hickenlooper want.

And remember, it’s “for the children”

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Comment by aNYCdj
2013-03-21 19:06:08

what with the hatin on white folks? not a mention of putting TSA body scanners in public housing projects, to catch all the illegal guns..

 
 
Comment by spook
2013-03-21 12:03:41

New York State becomes the first state to offer cash rewards for turning in illegal gun owners via a designated Hotline.
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Does the reward include a cemetary plot?

Lots of people broke in the ghetto but that hotline is silent for some reason.

Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 12:18:20

Obama the Reichsfuhrer doesn’t give a sh*t about black people wasting each other. It’s the angry whitey that the grabbers are worried about.

Comment by Northeastener
2013-03-21 13:17:20

Not just Obama, but all of the Libtarded. Need more proof?

The latest anti-2A legislation out of MA attempts to ban and make possession of a felony .50BMG rifles and ammunition.

Anyone have the statistics on how many gun crimes (murders, robberies, etc) were committed with a .50BMG? Here’s a hint: 0
At $5/round and the cheapest single-shot bolt action .50BMG rifle costing $4000+, the gang bangers can’t afford it. Even if they could afford it, they couldn’t carry it.

So, why are the Libtarded trying to ban .50BMG? Is it “For the Children”? Not likely…

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Comment by Carl Morris
2013-03-21 13:45:19

Probably for the safety of those inside the light duty APCs being bought by local law enforcement. And they just generally don’t like the kind of people who would buy such things in the first place.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2013-03-21 15:18:39

The hard-core gun crowd is more fanatical than any group of people on any issue, with the exception, so far, of abortion. And it wasn’t always this way, either, if you look at LaPierre’s recorded positions. Something has happened.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-03-21 17:38:01

For one, the country changed. It used to be gun types could feel comfortable that things were reasonable and were probably going to stay that way. They didn’t like what happened in 1933 but could accept it. Then in 1994 things got unreasonable and laws got made strictly on emotion…no facts required. That makes people who care very uncomfortable.

 
Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 18:39:24

more fanatical than any group of people on any issue

We didn’t even own a gun until 2007. And we got our concealed carry-permit in 2008. And get this: we’ve never actually carried a holstered or concealed gun on our person, ever.

But Hurricane Katrina was the wake-up call. When a SHTF scenario happens, we may have to utilize that legal, background-checked, permitted right to carry.

Some of you coastal bedwetters may have peacefully lived through the post-Hurricane blackout of 2012 and the short-lived grid collapse blackout of 2003, but history teaches us that the summer of 1977 and post-Katrina New Orleans are the ultimate outcomes of extended mass involuntary off-the-grid situations, when food no longer spontaneously grows on supermarket shelves, and sh*t starts getting real.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-03-21 18:50:24

There is no need for a permit when there is no official record of owning an iron.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-03-21 19:51:38

Seems like if the SHTF it would be better to openly carry than concealed carry.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2013-03-21 20:26:42

Well, the post-Katrina situation is why I have my shotgun. But I still fail to see why anyone not in the military needs an assault weapon, or why we can’t have universal background checks, or why we can’t do other things reasonably calculated to prevent mass murder.

In the dystopian future, if anyone wants your guns taken away it will be corporations, not liberals.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-03-21 21:33:35

‘I still fail to see why anyone not in the military needs an assault weapon’

To resist would be tyrants. Anyway, it’s just a rifle.

‘or why we can’t have universal background checks, or why we can’t do other things reasonably calculated to prevent mass murder’

Which of these mass murders would have been prevented by a background check?

‘if anyone wants your guns taken away it will be…’

Nobody is taking anything away. The people have spoken. There are millions more guns in the hands of citizens in just the last few months. IMO, we are safer for it.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-03-21 11:16:41

What’s really going on in California

California imposed a new law on banks innocuously called “Homeowners Bill of Rights” which forces banks to switch over to a judicial foreclosure process, which they can opt to do on their own, but takes a year or more to renegotiate contracts and compensation structures for the foreclosure law firms who do all the leg work for the banks. And while those changes are being made… it makes it appear that foreclosures have slowed down dramatically in the state.

The reality?

Defaults (undeclared) are spiraling upward that yet have to pass through the foreclosure pipeline.

The truth?

California is still the highest foreclosure state in sheer volume and percentage.

The low-down?

Resale housing is still massively overpriced as a result of unprecedented interference by individual states and the federal government. The market distortions will be removed and the down draft will continue allowing the market to correct.

With millions of excess empty houses and housing demand at 17 year lows, housing prices have a long way to fall. A very long way to fall.

Comment by Rental Watch
2013-03-21 12:13:13

I love how a guy who lives on the other side of the country is so clearly an expert on CA housing.

Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-03-21 13:52:48

But not nearly as much as how much we love exposing your lies.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2013-03-21 12:42:01

Why boomer debt has soared since 2000
March 21, 2013, 12:44 PM
By Matthew Heimer

The Census Bureau released a new study today that measures changes in U.S. household debt between 2000 and 2011, and the numbers offer some insight into the financial pressures that baby boomers face as they transition into retirement. Among the potentially discomfiting figures in the report: Average household debt for people age 55 and over increased faster than for any other age group, while the 65-and-over group was the only category in which the percentage of people holding debt has increased since 2000.

The report identifies some broader trends about the debt that Americans are juggling. Overall, fewer households carried debt in 2011 (69%) than in 2000 (74%). We’re much less likely to hold credit-card debt than we used to be: The percentage of households carrying a balance fell from 51% in 2000 to 38% in 2011. On the other hand, what the Census labels as “other unsecured debt,” a category that includes medical bills and student loans, is up sharply, with 19% of households now holding it, up from 11% in 2000.

That unsecured debt is a big burden for younger households—particularly student debt, which has raced ahead far faster than wages and salaries have. The medical elements of that category, meanwhile, are part of what’s weighing down retirees. The median amount of “other debt” held by people over 65 has more than doubled since 2000, to $4,000 today. Overall, 44% of 65-plus household hold at least some debt, and the average household owes $26,000 – also more than double its 2000 level.

The biggest debt factor for most households, including those older ones, remains mortgages and home-equity debt, which accounts for about 78% of all household debt. In part as a legacy of the price inflation and overspending that came with the real estate bubble, Americans are now much more likely than they used to be to carry mortgage debt when they retire. That’s undoubtedly part of the burden for those baby boomers in the age 55-to-64 category: The average household in that age group now carries $70,000 in debt, up 64% from 2000.

Comment by WT Economist
2013-03-21 13:03:41

“The biggest debt factor for most households, including those older ones, remains mortgages and home-equity debt, which accounts for about 78% of all household debt. In part as a legacy of the price inflation and overspending that came with the real estate bubble, Americans are now much more likely than they used to be to carry mortgage debt when they retire.”

Older generations paid off their mortgages. So how much should younger generations be sacrificed to make up for the party those age 55 to 74 had? How about those age 55 to 74 who didn’t participate in the party? Poor renters for example.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2013-03-21 14:45:32

So how much should younger generations be sacrificed to make up for the party those age 55 to 74 had?

Judging by policy actions taken so far, quite a lot!

Comment by AnnGogh
2013-03-21 18:02:07

It was a good run!

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Comment by rms
2013-03-21 23:44:21

“So how much should younger generations be sacrificed to make up for the party those age 55 to 74 had?”

My guesstimate is that two or three successive generations will be tossed under the bus; large debts, no family formation, little reason to pull hard on the economic oars.

 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-03-21 14:50:12

And with 70 million boomers rapidly aging to death, they’ll leave 35 MILLION excess empty houses to dump on the market.

 
 
Comment by Beware Of Buying A House
2013-03-21 14:09:53

“90% of Foreclosed Properties Held Off the Market”

http://realestate.aol.com/blog/2012/07/13/shadow-reo-as-much-as-90-percent-of-foreclosed-properties-are-h/

If you’re looking to by a house, beware. Sit tight and let prices continue to fall.

Comment by azdude
2013-03-21 17:01:27

unaffordable housing is the american way.

Comment by rms
2013-03-21 23:48:34

“unaffordable housing is the american way.”

+1 What a great country, huh? Cannibals.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2013-03-21 14:44:24

I was wondering if somebody would bring up this connection.

ft dot com
March 21, 2013 5:54 pm
Icelandic lessons for Cyprus
By Richard Milne, Nordic Correspondent

Ever since it became one of the first and biggest victims of the global financial crisis in 2008, one small European island has stood out for its approach to its banking crisis. Iceland allowed creditors rather than taxpayers to take the strain – in stark contrast to a country such as Ireland where creditors were protected and the government spent billions propping up the banking system.

Could Cyprus look to Iceland for inspiration and make creditors pay?

Unlike Iceland where the banks had issued lots of bonds, Cypriot lenders are almost entirely funded by deposits. The initial plan to put a levy on deposits was a way to make creditors pay, but one that many found inequitable.

What did Iceland do next?

Three large banks – Kaupthing, Landsbanki and Glitnir – had assets about 10 times the size of Iceland’s economy in 2008. Cyprus’s banks are about eight times the size of its GDP.

But many of the Icelandic banks’ loans were abroad. Equally, Icelandic banks had plenty of overseas deposits, with Icesave being the most infamous example in the UK and the Netherlands.

Domestic assets and liabilities, such as Icelanders’ deposits and loans, were transferred from the old banks to three new lenders. But the foreign bondholders and depositors were left in the old banks, which were allowed to collapse.

That meant Icesave depositors in the UK and Netherlands received nothing from Iceland. Instead, they were compensated by their own governments.

What happened to domestic deposit-holders?

The domestic Icelandic banking and payments system carried on uninterrupted. Instead of banking with Kaupthing, Landsbanki or Glitnir, Icelanders found they had accounts with Arion Bank, Landsbankinn and Islandsbanki respectively.

But the new banks were not exactly healthy – the authorities made the split on domestic-foreign lines rather than a traditional good bank/bad bank model. For instance, 51 per cent of Arion’s loans were in default or close to default at the end of 2010. Some 18 per cent were still non-performing at the end of last September.

What about the foreign bondholders?

They have got nothing so far. This is largely because of Iceland’s continued use of capital controls, designed to restrict the flow of currency in and out of the country.

But they still have claims over a lot. Again using Arion as an example, the 25,000 or so creditors of Kaupthing – most of whom are foreign – own 87 per cent of the new bank. And while Arion is the biggest asset of the Kaupthing estate it only represents about 15 per cent of the total.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2013-03-21 14:50:17

Is there any chance Larry Ellison might step up and buy Cyprus, the way he did the Hawaiian island of Lanai?

Perhaps some investor could fashion a leveraged buyout, using natural gas reserves as collateral?

How much would you pay for Cyprus?
March 21, 2013, 3:49 PM

A satirical German website has posted a faux listing for Cyprus, saying the auction runs through Monday and already has drawn bids of 1,252.21 euros.

A mock article accompanying the “listing” predicts that the price could go much higher as soon as Russia and Turkey get into the auction.

In the event Russia wins the auction, the island will be renamed “Zyprom,” according to the piece.

Cyprus is called Zypern in German.

 
Comment by ann gogh
2013-03-21 15:33:42

DHS plan calls for more scanning of private Web traffic, email
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The U.S. government is expanding a cybersecurity program that scans Internet traffic headed into and out of defense contractors to include far more of the country’s private, civilian-run infrastructure.

As a result, more private sector employees than ever before, including those at big banks, utilities and key transportation companies, will have their emails and Web surfing scanned as a precaution against cyber attacks.

Under last month’s White House executive order on cybersecurity, the scans will be driven by classified information provided by U.S. intelligence agencies — including data from the National Security Agency (NSA) — on new or especially serious espionage threats and other hacking attempts. U.S. spy chiefs said on March 12 that cyber attacks have supplanted terrorism as the top threat to the country.

The Department of Homeland Security will gather the secret data and pass it to a small group of telecommunication companies and cyber security providers that have employees holding security clearances, government and industry officials said. Those companies will then offer to process email and other Internet transmissions for critical infrastructure customers that choose to participate in the program.

DHS as the middleman
By using DHS as the middleman, the Obama administration hopes to bring the formidable overseas intelligence-gathering of the NSA closer to ordinary U.S. residents without triggering an outcry from privacy advocates who have long been leery of the spy agency’s eavesdropping.

The telecom companies will not report back to the government on what they see, except in aggregate statistics, a senior DHS official said in an interview granted on condition he not be identified.

“That allows us to provide more sensitive information,” the official said. “We will provide the information to the security service providers that they need to perform this function.” Procedures are to be established within six months of the order.

The administration is separately seeking legislation that would give incentives to private companies, including communications carriers, to disclose more to the government. NSA Director General Keith Alexander said last week that NSA did not want personal data but Internet service providers could inform the government about malicious software they find and the Internet Protocol addresses they were sent to and from.

“There is a way to do this that ensures civil liberties and privacy and does ensure the protection of the country,” Alexander told a congressional hearing.

Fears grow of destructive attack
In the past, Internet traffic-scanning efforts were mainly limited to government networks and Defense Department contractors, which have long been targets of foreign espionage.

But as fears grow of a destructive cyber attack on core, non-military assets, and more sweeping security legislation remained stalled, the Obama administration opted to widen the program.

Last month’s presidential order calls for commercial providers of “enhanced cybersecurity services” to extend their offerings to critical infrastructure companies. What constitutes critical infrastructure is still being refined, but it would include utilities, banks and transportation such as trains and highways.

Under the program, critical infrastructure companies will pay the providers, which will use the classified information to block attacks before they reach the customers. The classified information involves suspect Web addresses, strings of characters, email sender names and the like.

Not all the cybersecurity providers will be telecom companies, though AT&T is one. Raytheon said this month it had agreed with DHS to become a provider, and a spokesman said that customers could route their traffic to Raytheon after receiving it from their communications company.

As the new set-up takes shape, DHS officials and industry executives said some security equipment makers were working on hardware that could take classified rules about blocking traffic and act on them without the operator being able to reverse-engineer the codes. That way, people wouldn’t need a security clearance to use the equipment.

Civil liberties implications
The issue of scanning everything headed to a utility or a bank still has civil liberties implications, even if each company is a voluntary participant.

Lee Tien, a senior staff attorney with the nonprofit Electronic Frontier Foundation, said that the executive order did not weaken existing privacy laws, but any time a machine acting on classified information is processing private communications, it raises questions about the possibility of secret extra functions that are unlikely to be answered definitively.

“You have to wonder what else that box does,” Tien said.

One technique for examining email and other electronic packets en route, called deep packet inspection, has stirred controversy for years, and some cybersecurity providers said they would not be using that. In deep packet inspection, communication companies or others with network access can examine all the elements of a transmission, including the content of emails.

“The signatures provided by DHS do not require deep packet inspection,” said Steve Hawkins, vice president at Raytheon’s Intelligence and Information Systems division, referring further questions to DHS.

The DHS official said the government is still in conversations with the telecom operators on the issue.

The official said the government had no plans to roll out any such form of government-guided close examination of Internet traffic into the communications companies serving the general public.

Copyright 2013 Thomson Reuters.

Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 18:45:42

More Hope and Change from the Nobel Peace Prize president.

 
 
Comment by ann gogh
2013-03-21 16:50:58

WND EXCLUSIVE
OBAMA QUOTES ALINSKY IN SPEECH TO YOUNG ISRAELIS
Channels theme of ‘Rules for Radicals’ book dedicated to Lucifer
Published: 5 hours ago
by AARON KLEIN Email | Archive

Aaron Klein is WND’s senior staff reporter and Jerusalem bureau chief. He also hosts “Aaron Klein Investigative Radio” on New York’s WABC Radio. Follow Aaron on Twitter and Facebook.

Next big U.S. bankruptcy?You’ll never guess who’s likely to go bankrupt next in America. http://www.YouTube.com

JERUSALEM – In his address in Jerusalem today, President Obama channeled Saul Alinsky, citing the radical community organizer’s defining mantra as he urged young Israelis to “create change” to nudge their leadership to act.

Obama told a crowd of college students at Jerusalem’s main convention center that Israel “has the wisdom to see the world as it is, but also the courage to see the world as it should be.”

One of Alinsky’s major themes was working with the world as it “is” to turn it into the world as “it should be.”

In his defining work, “Rules for Radicals,” which he dedicated to “the first rebel,” Lucifer, Alinsky used those words to lay out his main agenda. He asserted radical change must be brought about by working within a system instead of attacking it from the outside.

“It is necessary to begin where the world is if we are going to change it to what we think it should be. That means working in the system,” wrote Alinsky.

Obama related his Alinsky quote to a suggestion that “peace” begins with the people and not just the leadership – a statement some may relate to community organizing.

He further suggested Israelis do an end-run around the country’s leadership and “create the change that you want to see.”

The president said: “That is where peace begins – not just in the plans of leaders, but in the hearts of people; not just in a carefully designed process, but in the daily connections that take place among those who live together in this land, and in this sacred city of Jerusalem.”

He continued: “Speaking as a politician, I can promise you this: Political leaders will not take risks if the people do not demand that they do. You must create the change that you want to see.”

It’s not the first time Obama used the Alinsky phraseology of the world as it “is” versus how it “should be.”|

In a May 2011 speech, Obama stated: “There must be no doubt that the United States of America welcomes change that advances self-determination and opportunity. Yes, there will be perils that accompany this moment of promise. But after decades of accepting the world as it is in the region, we have a chance to pursue the world as it should be.”

In an April 2009 talk to a London girl’s school, first lady Michelle Obama recalled that on her first date with Barack Obama, he took her to a “community meeting” and taught her about the world “as it is” and “as it should be.”

“As he talked to the residents in that community center, he talked about two concepts,” she stated. “He talked about ‘the world as it is’ and ‘the world as it should be.’ And I talked about this throughout the entire campaign.”

Alinsky’s ideology is not foreign to Obama. The politician started his career as an Alinsky-style community organizer in Chicago and taught the radical’s tactics at the University of Chicago.

WND was first to report the executive director of an activist organization that taught Alinsky’s tactics of direct action, confrontation and intimidation was part of the team that developed volunteers for President Obama’s 2008 campaign.

Jackie Kendall, executive director of the Midwest Academy, was on the team that developed Camp Obama, a two-to-four day intensive course run in conjunction with Obama’s campaign. It trained volunteers to become activists to help Obama win the presidential election.

WND also reported the Woods Fund, a nonprofit for which Obama served as a paid board director from 1999 to December 2002, provided capital to the Midwest Academy.

Obama sat on the Woods Fund board alongside William Ayers, founder of the Weather Underground domestic terrorist organization.

Also, in 1998, Obama participated in a panel discussion praising Alinsky alongside Midwest Academy’s founder Heather Booth, an organizer and dedicated disciple of Alinsky.

The panel discussion following the opening performance in Chicago of the play “The Love Song of Saul Alinsky,” a work described by the Chicago Sun-Times as “bringing to life one of America’s greatest community organizers.”

Obama participated in the discussion alongside other Alinskyites, including Booth, political analyst Aaron Freeman, Don Turner of the Chicago Federation of Labor and Northwestern University history professor Charles Paine.

“Alinsky had so much fire burning within,” stated local actor Gary Houston, who portrayed Alinsky in the play. “There was a lot of complexity to him. Yet he was a really cool character.”

In a letter to the editor of the Boston Globe, Alinsky’s son praised Obama for stirring up the masses at the 2008 Democratic National Convention “Saul Alinsky style,” saying, “Obama learned his lesson well.”

The letter, signed L. David Alinsky, closed with, “I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully.”

‘Communist fellow traveler’

Former 1960s radical and FrontPage Magazine Editor David Horowitz describes Alinsky as the “communist/Marxist fellow-traveler who helped establish the dual political tactics of confrontation and infiltration that characterized the 1960s and have remained central to all subsequent revolutionary movements in the United States.”

Horowitz writes in his 2009 pamphlet “Barack Obama’s Rules for Revolution. The Alinsky Model”: “The strategy of working within the system until you can accumulate enough power to destroy it was what ’60s radicals called ‘boring from within.’ … Like termites, they set about to eat away at the foundations of the building in expectation that one day they could cause it to collapse.”

Comment by goon squad
2013-03-21 19:06:31

Obama isn’t a communist, he is a statist. It’s all about control, control, control. The D and R labels are just a distraction. The only two people in Congress who stood up to this, Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, retired last year.

Yes, libtards are bedwetter, nanny-state tards, and tea people are mouth-breathing, slack-jawed, Creation Museum attendees, but that’s all a distraction.

Per the Washington Post, 70% of the Pentagon’s costs for providing services are government contractors. Do any of them really give a sh*t who is in the White House as long as their paychecks don’t bounce.

Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-03-21 19:41:39

Goon stuff goon.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 20:21:52

From the moment I fell down that rabbit hole I’ve been told where I must go and who I must be. I’ve been shrunk, stretched, scratched, and stuffed into a teapot.

– Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll

March 21, 2013, 11:02 p.m. EDT
Japan stocks fall on yen; earnings hurt Hong Kong
By Sarah Turner and V. Phani Kumar, MarketWatch

HONG KONG (MarketWatch) — Japanese stocks tumbled Friday as the yen firmed up a day after the new Bank of Japan governor offered few new details on future policy, while Hong Kong shares fell after weak results from PetroChina Co. and several other blue-chip firms.

Many Asia markets suffered from heightened worries over Cyprus after the European Central Bank (ECB) issued a deadline to its parliament for meeting the terms of a proposed bailout, an issue which also hurt stocks on Wall Street overnight.

Perpetual Investments head of investment research Matthew Sherwood said that if the ECB withdrew its funding, and “no new capital sources could be identified, the Cypriot banking sector would collapse, and it would be forced out of the euro zone.”

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 20:23:26

‘Tis a mere flesh wound.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 20:25:23

Too small to bail?

News Analysis
For Euro Zone, a Cyprus Exit Would Have Little Impact
By LANDON THOMAS Jr.
Published: March 21, 2013

A Cyprus exit from the euro union, if it comes to that, would have a devastating effect on the country’s citizens, who are among the most indebted in the euro zone. And for European unity and diplomacy, the Cyprus debacle has already been at least a short-term disaster.

But for the broader financial system in Europe, the losses resulting from a Cypriot banking collapse and the country’s return to its former currency would be minimal compared with the havoc that Greece would have created had it not been bailed out.

And that, economists and investors contend, is why Germany and its Dutch stalking horse, Jeroen Dijsselbloem, the president of the Eurogroup of finance ministers, were so adamant that depositors — large and small, Cypriot and Russian — contribute 5.8 billion euros ($7.5 billion) toward the 10 billion euro bailout of Cyprus’s largest banks.

Greece may well have been too big to fail last year, but Cyprus, which creates less than one-half percent of the euro zone’s gross domestic product, is certainly not.

From a financial standpoint, what is most noteworthy is that the combined debt of the Cypriot people, companies and government is 2.6 times the size of the country’s gross domestic product. Only Ireland, still struggling to recover from the banking collapse that required an international bailout in 2010, has a higher debt-to-G.D.P. ratio among euro zone countries.

As debts in Europe mount in inverse proportion to the ability of its citizens, companies and governments to make good on them, the view is forming in Berlin and Brussels that a signal must be sent that citizens and investors must start accepting losses for the euro zone to survive in the long run.

“There have been too many bailouts in Europe; it’s time to remove the air bags,” said Stephen Jen, a former economist at the International Monetary Fund who runs a hedge fund in London. “This is not a Lehman,” he said, referring to the disastrous chain reaction touched off by the collapse of Lehman Brothers in 2008.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 20:28:16

With Bailout in Question, Cyprus Teeters on Financial Ruin
By Matt Egan
Published March 21, 2013

Facing a Monday deadline before the European Central Bank cuts off funding, Cyprus is racing to prepare a resolution of Laiki Bank, the tiny island country’s second largest bank.

Laiki Bank, also known as Cyprus Popular Bank, reportedly lowered the daily per-person limit on ATM withdrawals to 260 euros on Thursday amid reports of long lines of jittery customers and clashes with bank employees.

“Clearly, the risk of an exit from the euro zone…has increased,” Marc Chandler, global head of currency strategy at Brown Brothers Harriman, wrote in a note to clients.

Underscoring the concern over the Cypriot banking sector, Standard & Poor’s downgraded the country’s credit rating by one notch to “CCC” Thursday afternoon, citing the need for 10 billion euros in capital injections for commercial lenders.

S&P said its baseline scenario calls for Cyprus to remain in the eurozone, but warned the “risks of a sovereign default are rising.”

Cyprus has announced its banks will remain closed until Tuesday.

The scramble comes after the Cypriot parliament overwhelmingly rejected a controversial bailout plan earlier this week that would have raised 5.8 billion euros by imposing a levy on bank deposits, leaving the rescue in doubt.

The Eurogroup said in a statement Thursday afternoon that it “stands ready” to discuss a new Cyprus proposal, which it expects “as rapidly as possible.” The group said any new plan should respect the “parameters defined earlier,” likely alluding to the previous requirement that Cyprus raise 5.8 billion euros through its incredibly outsized banking system.

Eurozone members “continue to stand ready to assist the Cypriot people in their reform efforts and stand ready to ensure the stability of the euro area as a whole,” the statement said.

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-03-21 20:32:35

‘With Bailout in Question, Cyprus Teeters on Financial Ruin’

Yes, no money for the bankers and they’re all doomed. Sounds familiar. Funny how Iceland got around that.

Comment by ecofeco
2013-03-21 21:15:30

Isn’t it?

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 22:37:46

Argh!

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-03-21 22:41:33

Cyprus likely to go ahead with deposit tax after all

Cyprus is facing a difficult choice between levying an unpopular tax on bank deposits or defaulting on its debt — and the tax route now looks more likely.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2013-03-22 06:24:04

I wonder why they won’t go the Iceland route? Perhaps their creditors aren’t as polite as the British?

 
Comment by rms
2013-03-22 07:23:14

“I wonder why they won’t go the Iceland route? Perhaps their creditors aren’t as polite as the British?”

+1 Good call.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by AnnGogh
2013-03-21 20:25:45

He can only speak to unions and college kids! Oh and hollyweirdos! He wants us all to believe in him, I do not! Why should I change so his agenda works? I’ve done enough soul searching and I like being a capitalist piglet!

 
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