Maryland, Connecticut, Colorado, D.C., California, New york, Oregon, Washington, Illinois, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Jersey, all passing gun control this month. Pretty soon we will have to regroup in the south. Only problem is relatively few good jobs in the south.
Ostensibly, this is to allow the SS (no pun intended) to arrest Sheriffs who have already stated they won’t enforce unconstitutional gun laws, particularly the recent ban passed in CO.
Want to know when “Go Time” is? When the Fed’s get into a shoot-out with local LEO for defending the rights of the people. You’ll see 2A supporters and veterans from all over the country quit jobs, pack up guns, ammo, and gear, kiss wives and children goodbye, and head out to CO to fight tyranny and support freedom.
Given the recent threats against the US coming out of North Korea, Russia running bombing drills against US air defense networks, and Chinese hackers running DoS attackes against US networks, you may get your chance.
Want to know when “Go Time” is? When the Fed’s get into a shoot-out with local LEO for defending the rights of the people.
Interesting thought. Does the Secret Service have a right to arrest a local Sheriff in their own jurisdiction if they aren’t counterfeiting or threatening the president?
That’s what’s being pushed, as I understand it. The Secret Service would have the authority to detain and arrest anyone observed by the Secret Service to be committing a crime. The question is whether Sheriffs observed to not enforce the law would be considered a crime.
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Comment by Northeastener
2013-04-05 08:57:23
Sorry, by crime I mean a violation of State law, not just Federal law.
Comment by Steve J
2013-04-05 09:22:56
Sheriffs have wide latitude when it comes to arresting someone.
Remember, Sheriffs can arrest someone regardless of whether or not they have committed a crime.
Comment by polly
2013-04-05 10:38:17
Absent a specific state law saying that sheriffs are required to enforce all the laws all the time (and you aren’t going to see that, because no one give law enforcement even 10% of the money they need to do it), for a LEO to selectively decide not to enforce a law seems to be a refusal to carry out a portion of your job. Good reason to get fired (or possibly some variation of impeached if you are an elected official), but not arrested.
I can’t see how you get the Secret Service involved at all unless you are dealing with a visit from an official or individual the Secret Service protects. Say if the President were speaking in an arena and the local sheriff refused to take away weapons being brought in because people were ususally allowed to bring in weapons to that space. Even then, I don’t see why they would arrest anyone. Just fly in more Secret Service officers and bill the county for the extra (assuming they are normally required to help with security at those events).
You’ll see 2A supporters and veterans from all over the country quit jobs, pack up guns, ammo, and gear, kiss wives and children goodbye, and head out to CO to fight tyranny and support freedom.
(as soon as the baseball and basketball seasons are over)
(as soon as the baseball and basketball seasons are over)
Bread and circus is for the sheep. The sheepdogs I know don’t give a rat’s ass about baseball or basketball as it pertains to interfering with liberty and constitutionally protected rights.
The typical Fudd might be different, but most of us view Fudd’s as traitors to the 2A anyway: “Nobody needs nuthin but a 12ga double barreled ’cause… I mean, no one needs one of those newfangled automatic assault rifles ’cause… umm, if ya can’t hit what ya aiming at wit one shot err, when’s the game on?”
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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-04-05 12:14:18
but most of us view Fudd’s as traitors to the 2A anyway
You “sheep dogs” need to teach those Fudd traitors a lesson at go-time.
CO governor is pushing a bill to give Secret Service vast new powers in the state.
Your own link seems to think this is much ado about nothing:
Sorting out the truth of the rumor first requires determining whether a sheriff’s willful non-enforcement would be a crime. Absent some statute or case that I don’t know about, I’m inclined to say no.
thetruthaboutguns
We’ll see. Just like DHS won’t answer questions regarding large ammunition contracts, time will tell why the Governor of CO is pushing to allow SS authority as peace officers in state matters…
As long as it’s constitutional I don’t mind states catering to their local tastes. You can always move somewhere else if you don’t like it. There is some danger of Balkanization on our horizon as we separate from each other based on philosophy, but that would seem more dangerous for the places that choose to be disarmed…
What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be.
Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.
Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don’t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.
does reading the new york times and listening to npr make you homogay commie or are homogay commies just more likely to read the new york times and listen to npr
What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be.
Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.
Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don’t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame
Who has practiced and perfected Alinsky’s tricks more enthusiastically and effectively than the GOP, and their mouthpiece Fox News?
“Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it.”
Yep, that’s exactly how they do it. See: Treyvon, Jesse Jackson, Barney Frank, Willie Horton, Nancy Pelosi, ‘liberal’, ‘progressive’, Hillary, swift boat, welfare queen, ‘take your guns away’, pledge of allegiance, flag burning amendment, etc.
Unfortunately, the liberal channel (MSNBC) has a prime time lineup full of intelligent commentators while Fox keeps feeding Americans crap. If there was a conservative (better yet, classical liberal) channel with anyone worth watching, I would watch it. The difference in the intelligence level between, say, Chris Hayes and Bill O’Reilly is incalculable. I take no position on whose opinions are better or more correct, but only a slackjawed yokel would think those two commentators are on the same level.
Of course, drive down Main Street USA and observe the myriad fast food locations. Turns out that Americans prefer to consume crap. The TV situation is no different.
Unfortunately, the liberal channel (MSNBC) has a prime time lineup full of intelligent commentators while Fox keeps feeding Americans crap.
A conservative commentator as smart as Rachel Maddow does not exist.
Why conservatives continue to link education and intelligence to liberals is beyond me. Maybe it is all part of the general dumbing down of America. Or pandering to the least common denominator is the only way for Repubs to stay current.
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Comment by Carl Morris
2013-04-05 08:37:19
A conservative commentator as smart as Rachel Maddow does not exist.
I don’t particularly like Rush. And I think he focuses more on entertainment and manipulation of opinion on behalf of TPTB than commentating, but I suspect he’s as smart as anybody out there.
Comment by goon squad
2013-04-05 08:51:26
Pat Buchanan.
But the “conservatives” hate him almost as much as the liberals do.
Comment by joe smith
2013-04-05 09:19:47
I disagree with your statement there aren’t classical liberals (not sure if that counts as conservative by today’s standards?) as smart as the people in MSNBC’s line up. There are plenty out there.
The problem is that the pipeline to becoming a FNC personality that will appeal to their base would be punishing for such a person. They would be weeded out long before getting on FNC or kicked out once they got there. Pat Buchannan is an example.
Comment by Steve J
2013-04-05 09:24:17
If you go far enough to the left and far enough to the right, you will meet at Pat Buchanon.
CSPAN and PBS Newshour are about as “classically liberal” as they get, if by “liberal” you refer to the dictionary definition, I.E.; “open-minded”. And LinkTV offers thoughtful progressive reporting and analysis from around the world.
By definition, “conservative” cannot mean “open-minded”, thereby limiting its application to objective news and reportage, but the Newshour offers a fine variety of conservative issues interviewees.
(And some of the best spokesmen for conservative points of view can be found on “The Daily Show with Jon Stewart”’s online extended interviews, with “Overtime with Bill Maher” a close second.)
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Comment by oxide
2013-04-05 11:55:09
I was laughing at PBS last night. The NewsHour’s Hari Srinivasan interviewed a fellow movie critic about the life of Roger Ebert.
It’s well-known that when Ebert lost his voice in 2006, he shifted from reviewing movies to becoming a very liberal blogger. And the movie critic kept referring to the later liberal blogging years, how Ebert “found his real voice” and “was even more passionate.”
Hari Srinivasan desperately shifted the questions back to Ebert the movie reviewer and TV host with Gene Siskel. You could just seeee poor Hari squirming and thinking “avoid the political stuff avoid the political stuff avoid the poltical stuff AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHGH!!!”
(not the first time I’ve seen it on PBS, either. Paul Salmon, the economics guy, has crossed the liberal line a few times. Can’t say I blame him — he’s the one who has to cover the criminal banksters.)
It the sound resulting from collapsing housing prices blowing through the floor in your neighborhood leaving a smoldering moon crater and an empty bank account with your name on it.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-05 06:55:30
Too bad the Fed’s QE-fueled stock market rally mainly benefits only about the top five percent of the wealth distribution, and drives up the already huge gap between rich and poor.
Marc Faber, Gloom Boom & Doom Report, explains why he believes the rally could end badly this year.
Growing wealth inequality means that the wealthy have nowhere to hide and that events like those in Cyprus will happen in more countries around the world, including developed nations, said Marc Faber, the contrarian investor and publisher of the Gloom, Boom & Doom Report.
“It will happen everywhere in the world, in Western democracies,” Faber said “Squawk on the Street” on Tuesday. “You have more people that vote for a living than work for a living. I think you have to be prepared to lose 20 to 30 percent. I think you’re lucky if you don’t lose your life.”
“If you look at what happened in Cyprus, basically people with money will lose part of their wealth, either through expropriation or higher taxation,” he added.
“The problem is that 92 percent of financial wealth is owned by 5 percent of the population. The majority of people don’t own meaningful stock positions and they don’t benefit from a rise in the stock market. They are being hurt by a rising cost of living and we all know that the real incomes of median households has been going down for the last few years,” he said.
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” 92 percent of financial wealth is owned by 5 percent of the population”
What’s the problem? Bootstrapping job creators end up with all the money because they can buy off the system. Are you saying that neither of our political parties really want free markets and a flourishing economy for everyone? Nonsense.
What’s interesting is that the most notable modern example of a rags to riches (not riches to megariches) bootstrapper is Jay Z, who went from a Brooklyn crack dealer to the lord of a half-billion dollar music/clothes/bling empire.
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Comment by joe smith
2013-04-05 08:42:19
I prefer the YMCMB story, but Jay-Z/Beyonce/Kanye works too.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-05 07:05:49
Only 88,000 new jobs added, versus nearly 500,000 dropping out of the labor force; sounds like the unemployment rate went down considerably, as nearly 500,000 fewer “workers” are now considered unemployed!
Silver lining for stock market bulls: QE-to-infinity-and-beyond is intact, for now at least.
Disappointment as only 88,000 new jobs in March
Worst jobs growth in 10 months and labor participation at lowest level since 1979. Yuck.
April 5, 2013, 9:35 a.m. EDT
U.S. jobs gain in March lowest in 10 months
New hires fall to 88,000, more people drop out of labor force
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The United States created the fewest number of jobs in March in 10 months, adding to a string of reports suggesting companies have cut back on new hires and that the economy is slowing again.
The U.S. added a seasonally adjusted 88,000 jobs last month — the smallest increase since last June — and nearly half-a-million people stopped looking for work last month, according to data issued by the Labor Department Friday.
The March jobs report fell well below Wall Street expectations. Economists polled by MarketWatch had forecast a 190,000 increase in jobs. U.S. stock futures (SPM3 -1.16%) slumped after the report.
“What we have in today’s employment report is what the ISM data and the auto (not truck) sales indicated, the economy is expanding but not accelerating. And with that, we can probably put to rest recent FOMC chatter about things starting to get good enough to begin strategizing on how to pare back monthly purchases of Treasurys and agency mortgage-backed securities,” said Steve Blitz, chief economist of ITG Investment Research, in a note to clients.
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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-05 07:30:46
Suddenly all stock market indicators are pointing down!
Europe Markets Archives
April 5, 2013, 9:02 a.m. EDT Europe stocks extend slide on U.S. jobs data Airlines drop on fears of bird flu impacts on air travel
By Sara Sjolin, MarketWatch
LONDON (MarketWatch) — European stock markets dropped sharply Friday afternoon, after U.S. nonfarm-payrolls data came in substantially below expectations.
The Stoxx Europe 600 index (XX:SXXP -2.05%) slid 1.8% to 286.54, the lowest level in over a month.
Data from the U.S. Labor Department showed just 88,000 jobs were added to the economy in March, far short of expectations for a gain of 190,000 and the smallest increase in 10 months.
While the unemployment rate ticked down to 7.6% from 7.7%, it reflected fewer Americans looking for work, according to the data.
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The word in the MSM is that sequester impacts will not show up in the jobs numbers until the summer. (I have no explanation for why this should be the case or evidence that it will, other than that I heard a an NPR reporter say so today…)
ft dot com
Global Insight: Sequestration’s slow burn will not mitigate effects
By Robin Harding in Washington
Deep restructuring will be needed if there is no budget deal soon
Some of the hardest policy problems are those that happen so slowly that people do not notice the change: like the frog, we boil to death without realising.
Climate change is the most obvious example but the sequestration – under which the US has imposed an across-the-board 8 per cent cut in public spending – may turn out to be another.
The sequestration began at the start of March, and will lop $85bn off spending by September, but so far the economic effects are imperceptible. As a result, there is little political pressure to reverse or replace the cuts.
A number of officials at agencies affected by the sequestration warn, however, that they have merely taken temporary measures to save cash by delaying investments, sending staff on unpaid holidays and leaving other posts unfilled.
If the sequestration continues into the next financial year then those temporary expedients will no longer work. It will be time for fundamental restructuring – firing workers to adjust to a permanently lower budget – and that will damage the economy and services.
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Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-05 16:53:31
but so far the economic effects are imperceptible.
How can “sending staff on unpaid holidays and leaving other posts unfilled” be imperceptible?
Seems like the jobs report perceived it, just like the people affected did.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-05 07:15:17
Luckily U.S. housing markets and Wall Street stock markets are fully decoupled, as otherwise the recent weakness in stock prices might prove worrisome for the sustainability of the housing market rally!
An earlier version of this article said the job gain in March was the smallest in 10 months. It is the smallest in nine months. The article has been corrected.
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Treasurys surged on Friday as the U.S. economy in March added the smallest number of jobs in nine months, suggesting a slowing in the labor-market recovery.
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Well wait a minute. I thought fewer jobs –> less cost –> higher profit –> increased value of stock. By that reasoning, shouldn’t the DOW go UP on fewer jobs, not down?
I love the disconnect. Companies want customers, but they don’t want to pay employees. Every company wants everybody ELSE to pay employees while they themselves have no employees at all.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-05 07:17:31
I like the current direction of oil prices. My wife urged me last night to take advantage of falling local gasoline prices, but I told her that I plan to delay my next purchase until the “empty” warning light goes on, as the near-term trend is my friend.
I like the current direction of oil prices. My wife urged me last night to take advantage of falling local gasoline prices, but I told her that I plan to delay my next purchase until the “empty” warning light goes on, as the near-term trend is my friend.
Excellent!
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-05 08:19:38
It’s a bit early to say whether this is a blip or a trend, but the freeways along my daily SD commute route have recently been far less congested than they were last year.
One possibility: Fewer people driving to work makes for lighter traffic.
MADRID (MarketWatch) — Oil futures extended losses on Friday, trading below $93 and poised for their lowest close in two weeks, on fears energy demand could weaken after a hugely disappointing report on U.S. jobs.
Crude-oil futures for May delivery (CLK3 -0.82%_ fell 82 cents, or close to 1%, to $92.44 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.
Crude on Thursday dropped $1.19, or 1.3%, to $93.26 a barrel. It faced a weekly loss of more than 4%, which would mark oil’s first weekly decline in five weeks.
The Labor Department’s monthly jobs report revealed the smallest increase in jobs growth since last June as new hires fell to 88,000 versus expectations for a gain of 190,000, which had already been ratcheted down by economists. Plus nearly half-a-million people stopped looking for work that month.
“The outlook for energy demand will be impaired, as a result. Recently there has been a decent rise in gasoline and diesel demand, both of which will take a hit if employment trends reverse,” said analysts at the Kilduff Report.
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How many months do they have to be without a job before they officially “drop out of the workforce”? Is it 12 months? 18? Traffic should have been lighter all that time…
Good point. Part of me suspects we may seeing the first signs of another leg down in the local labor market, though it is definitely way too early to say for sure…
MIAMI (MarketWatch) — When I interviewed famed mutual fund manager Peter Lynch a few years ago, he told me his winning stock-picking strategy: Go to the mall and observe what people are buying.
Then, he added, do basic research on companies before you buy, closely monitor the company, and understand the reason why you originally bought the stock.
“You have to keep checking the story and the fundamentals,” Lynch said. “It’s called doing research. This doesn’t mean checking the stock price each day. You can sit in a room and look at a stock all day and it won’t help you out one bit.”
Forget about trying to predict the future. As Lynch told me: “I’d love to know what will happen in the future. In fact, I’ve been trying to get next year’s Wall Street Journal for 40 years. I’d even pay an extra dollar for it.”
Bear markets and corrections are a normal part of the stock market cycle. Lynch told me that if you plan to sell your stock in a panic because the market falls by 10% or 20 %, maybe you shouldn’t be in stocks at all.
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Bear markets and corrections are a normal part of the stock market cycle. Lynch told me that if you plan to sell your stock in a panic because the market falls by 10% or 20 %, maybe you shouldn’t be in stocks at all.
Lots and lots of people shouldn’t be in stocks at all. Or speculating on housing. But it’s the only way they can make a living any more…
Stocks faltered after Friday’s lousy jobs report and treasury’s jumped, pushing yields (10_YEAR -3.17%) to fresh lows for the year.
As John Spence at ETF Trends noted, PIMCO’s Total Return (ETF BOND +0.25%), which is managed by Bill Gross, hit its highest level since launching a little over a year ago.
Doubleline Capital’s Jeffrey Gundlach said last month he’d been buying treasurys heavily, Spence noted, even as U.S. equity markets were surging to records.
As money has poured into equities this year, many have speculated that the long-running rally in bonds — aggressively goosed along by the Fed’s buying — was finally coming to an end.
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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-05 23:34:04
The Grand Illusion
The Obama administration is more inclined to public relations than hard-headed pragmatism in dealing with unemployment
By Mortimer B. Zuckerman
April 4, 2013
Which way are we going? The stock market has revived, though it still is off a high in real terms. There’s suddenly good news about housing demand, which is showing signs of life after six years of stagnation. Yet Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke warns that the package of fiscal cutbacks – the fiscal cliff, sequester, and other cuts – is set to reduce growth by 1.5 percentage points. He calls that “very significant” and adds that “job creation is slower than it would be otherwise.” This is the key to where we are. New research from the Brookings Institution concludes that rising inequality in the United States is not something that will vanish with a real recovery. It is here to stay, a reflection of an increasingly calcified society and a whole crisis in itself.
The present phase of our Great Recession might be called the Grand Illusion, because all the happy talk and statistics that go with it, especially on the key indicator of jobs, give a rosier picture than the facts justify. We are not really advancing. We are, by comparison with earlier recessions, going backward. We have a $1.3 trillion budget deficit. And despite the most stimulative fiscal policy in our history and the most stimulative monetary policy, with a trillion-dollar expansion to our money supply, our economy over the last three years has been declining or stagnant. From growth in annual GDP of 2.4 percent 2010, we bumped down to only 1.8 percent in 2011 and were still down at 2.2 percent in 2012. The cumulative growth for the last 12 quarters was just 6.2 percent, less than half the 15.2 percent average after previous recessions over a similar period of time. It is the slowest growth rate of all the 11 post-World War II recessions.
What has gone wrong? There seems to be a weakness in the investment of private capital. Today, corporate spending on investments is the weakest it has been in six decades. The billions invested in the Internet, spreading its application and comingling the technology with labor, boosted multifactor productivity but, as David Rosenberg of wealth-management firm Gluskin Sheff points out, most of that occurred several years ago. As he has written, a capex-led business recovery that breeds sustained productivity growth and decent job creation is what underscores the best and longest economic expansions since the end of WWII.
Anemic growth looks likely to continue because of various downers implicit in Bernanke’s caution. Sequestration will take $600 billion of government expenditures out of the economy over the next 10 years. Payroll taxes up 2 percent hit about 160 million workers and will drain $110 billion in aggregate demand. The Obama health care tax will be a $30 billion-plus drag. The surge in gasoline prices by some 50 cents recently may be temporary, as Bernanke suggests, but meanwhile represents another $65 billion of consumer cash flow. Conservatively, these nasties add up to roughly a 2 percent hit to baseline GDP growth when we are barely able to muster 2 percent growth.
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(CNSNews.com) - The number of American workers collecting federal disability payments climbed to yet another record of 8,853,614 in March, up from 8,840,427 in February, according to newly released data from the Social Security Administration.
That means there are more than 3 times as many Americans taking disability payments as there are people living in the city of Chicago, which according to the Census Bureau has a population of 2,707,120.
March was the 194th straight month that the number of American workers collecting federal disability payments increased. The last time the number of Americans collecting disability decreased was in January 1997. That month the number of workers taking disability dropped by 249 people—from 4,385,623 in December 1996 to 4,385,374 in January 1997.
As the overall number of Americans collecting disability has increased, the ratio of full-time workers to disability beneficiaries has decreased.
In December 1968, 1,295,428 Americans collected disability and, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 65,630,000 worked full-time. Thus, there were about 51 Americans working full-time for each person collecting disability at that time. In January 1997, the last time the number of disability beneficiaries declined, 4,385,374 Americans collected disability and 104,900,000 worked full-time. Thus, there were then about 24 Americans working full-time for each person collecting disability.
In March 2013, with a record 8,853,614 Americans collecting disability and 115,841,000 working fulltime, there were only 13 Americans working full-time for each person collecting disability.
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There’s another subprime loan problem brewing, but this time, home mortgages aren’t the main ingredient in the securities being created, sliced, rated, and sold to hungry investors.
Subprime auto loans are making a comeback, as are the asset-backed securities that include these and other risky loans. Investors are snapping up these products, and a recent article on the subject strongly suggests that the Federal Reserve is to blame for the whole thing.
This bubble has been expanding at a rapid pace
ABSes have seen a resurgence in popularity over the past year, after falling out of favor shortly after the financial crisis hit. These investment products — which are made up of debt such as student loans, credit card balances, and auto loans — have become more attractive as stingy yields have become the norm.
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SubPrime lending on autos can be the only answer for the auto sales volume numbers released this week. For over a year, I have distrusted the reported numbers. They make no sense. In light of SubPrime lending? It makes all the sense in the world.
Take a look at a 20 year chart of auto sales volume and you’ll understand my skepticism 100%.
Bitcoin is a virtual currency that’s traded online. It’s been on a wild ride lately, soaring in value during the Cyprus banking crisis. And this week, the price plummeted after a Bitcoin trading exchange was hacked.
How long does it really take for the bubble mentality to go away?
There has been in a slump (long,long overdue) in the sales prices for real estate for a long time in most of the country. There has been an uptick this spring which seems to be attributable to less inventory for sale and some loosening on borrowing standards. I’ll leave the analysis of how much prices have gone up and where and all that to others if they really want to discuss it. You can call it a rebound or a dead cat bounce or a bump on the long road to real affordability or whatever you like.
But what I would like to talk about is the attitude. People are talking about real estate investment as if it is the holy grail all over again. I don’t often bumb up against issues connected to real estate investment in my job, but this week the phone has been ringing off the hook and while the issues vary a little, that is the underlying theme. The [people/things/entities/stuff/whatever] my office deals with are all excited about real estate again. And the people calling are not just somebody in suburban wherever who knows how to get the right phone numbers to call but who don’t usually deal with large issues. They are attorneys who work for clients who pay them lots and lots and lots of money just to answer the phone.
So, evidently, 7 years or even more depending on how you measure it, wasn’t enough to change the attitude about real estate. [People/things/entities/stuff/whatever] are still looking at it as a font of money from which to drink as long as you get in at the right time.
What does it take to pop the bubble in people’s minds?
[People/things/entities/stuff/whatever] are still looking at it as a font of money from which to drink as long as you get in at the right time. That’s the American Dream.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-05 08:28:24
“So, evidently, 7 years or even more depending on how you measure it, wasn’t enough to change the attitude about real estate. [People/things/entities/stuff/whatever] are still looking at it as a font of money from which to drink as long as you get in at the right time.”
What does it take to pop the bubble in people’s minds?
It would seem it takes a real depression where losses are actually acknowledged and important people who used to have money no longer do…which we are doing everything in our power to avoid. Long live the bubble.
“Get Rich Quick” has always held some appeal to people and driven bubble mentalities.
Various gold rushes, tulip bulb mania, stock market bubbles, Florida housing bubble in the early 1920s, recent housing bubble, etc.
It is tempting to say that the government leaving the lending industry would stop bubble mentality, but I think that’s false. There were housing bubbles all around the world in countries where there was no government loan guarantees.
Now, if you abolish the Fed, that might have an impact, since there would be no one to “lean against the wind” with ultra-low interest rates in tough times.
“What does it take to pop the bubble in people’s minds?”
I don’t think the average American thinks that the housing bubble has popped like we do here at the hbb. In my opinion most people view that home prices have gone down and may be they can buy now cheaper as the escalating prices and equity withdrawals would be a safety net. They also believe that owning a home is a path to prosperity. This thinking never ever went away. It is ingrained in their brains. So they are hoping for or almost assured about equity withdrawals in their future all by their own magical thinking.
Another reason is that most people do not have anything going for them in their jobs economically speaking. So owning a home is all they have left of an American dream.
Being in debt paying for a car or a house they cannot afford is all they can aspire. Without these items they will feel like a big looser.
A home to them is a future magical money tree. Just my 2 cents
Polly, I think you supplied the answer a long time ago: by requiring banks to hold part of a risky tranche. In the same vein:
The only thing that will kill the bubble mentality is actual skin in the game. And it has to be skin which is immediately accountable — no pushing it off to the next quarter or the next year or until you retire to Tahiti with a pile and leave the pending losses to your successor. Nope. NOW. Examples:
1. No more mark-to-fantasy accounting where you don’t see a loss until you sell, which allows you to hold of inventory as long as you feel like it.
2. No more deferred interest, like when WaMu would receive a mortgage payment less than interest and book it as fully amortized. Nope, banks should have to treat their checkbooks like any schmo: what you have is only what you have now, not what you think you’ll get later.
3. No more 0% down, you want a house you need real cash now.
4. And NO MORE selling up the food chain scot free for the fees. If you want to sell a mortgage to Fannie, you have to hold a risky tranche for yourself. And yes, that tranche bites into your reserves, so you can only make mortgages until you run out of reserves. No more infinite deals.
In other words, if you want to make money on a mortgage, you’ll have to do it the old fashioned way: by waiting 30 years for someone to work it off. That will kill a bubble, and fast. It will also kill the country.
Zillow had this semi-reinforced washer-drier box “valued” at $69,500 last week — the vastly overpriced amount the current owners paid for it back in September. Today I noticed Zillow has it “valued” at 104K!
The land under this 30-year-old relocated POS is worth MAYBE $10K if you include the electrical hookup and the interest in a shared water well. The “home” itself isn’t worth what it would cost to get a dozer up to flatten it. Seriously, I’ve seen some outrageous valuations over the last eight years, but this one is just off-the-charts.
None of the other properties in this zip code have seen ANY increase this week, let alone a commensurate jump, and this (again, literal) shack hasn’t been re-listed on the MLS, so it’s not some flipper’s wishing price. Why the 30% leap in one week? Do crooked appraisers have a direct link to the Zillow gnomes, or could there be (gasp) funny business going on in the Kounty Recorder’s orifice? Or maybe it was some real estate lady’s April Fools Day gag, or…?
Genuinely puzzled by this one. Is it an anomaly? Thanks.
Obviously, but how does it work? How does one get past Zillow’s valuation algorithms? And if that’s possible, why isn’t every UHD doing it to raise comps?
No sales or even new listings in the area. And larger, newer, actual stick-built houses on larger and far more desirable properties are still valued at significantly less –with no change in the Zillow valuation.
Just wondering how they pulled it off. Will investigate and report back. Maybe Palladin has some thoughts on this?
How long will it take a 10-year Japanese government bond yield to exceed 3%?
I recall hearing one person say that it will take until approximately 2014/2015 for the Japanese to NOT be able to fund their own deficit, so that seemed to be about the time there will be problems.
However, that comment was before the BOJ revved up the printing presses (at, National GDP adjusted, about 2.5x the level of the Fed).
Is it sooner now?
What is the tipping point to irreversible and complete currency crisis? 3%? 4%? 5%?
As the government sucks more and more capital out of their people to service their debt, does it result in a depression in Japan? Or inflation?
How does the fact that MOST of their current creditors are Japanese citizens effect the outcome? Seems like it would dampen the problems to me.
I think THIS is the biggest global finance issue occurring over the next 12-24 months.
A few days ago, the value of all the bitcoins in the world blew past $1 billion for the first time ever. That’s an impressive achievement, for a purely virtual currency backed by no central bank or other authority. It’s also temporary: we’re in the middle of a bitcoin bubble right now, and it’s only a matter of time before the bubble bursts.
There are a couple of reasons why the bubble is sure to burst. The first is just that it’s a bubble, and any chart which looks like the one at the top of this post is bound to end in tears at some point. But there’s a deeper reason, too — which is that bitcoins are an uncomfortable combination of commodity and currency. The commodity value of bitcoins is rooted in their currency value, but the more of a commodity they become, the less useful they are as a currency.
Still, it’s worth taking a look behind the bitcoin bubble, because there are fascinating implications for anybody who cares about payments, or currencies, or trust.
First, though, let’s go back to the night of Sunday June 12, 2011. That was the date of the first big bitcoin heist: a theft of such simplicity and audacity that it might well be considered the perfect crime. A man — we know him only as “All In Vain” — went to bed that night with his Windows computer turned on and connected to the internet. On that computer was a wallet containing 25,000 electronic coins. When he woke up on Monday morning, the wallet was still there. But the money was gone.
Those 25,000 coins were, at the time, worth some $500,000; today, they are worth about $3.5 million. If All in Vain had noticed the theft within a couple of minutes of it happening, it’s conceivable that he could have got his money back. But he was asleep — and ten minutes after the theft occurred, it was utterly permanent and irrevocable. The only way All in Vain could get his money back would be if the thief were to simply transfer it back into his wallet.
No one will ever find the person who stole All in Vain’s coins. That’s because the coins were designed, by another pseudonymous internet denizen known only as Satoshi Nakamoto, to be the perfectly anonymous payment mechanism for a digital world. That’s one of the things about bitcoins: once you send them, they’re sent. Similarly, if someone sends you bitcoins, you know for sure that you own them. You don’t need to know or trust the sender — all you need to know is that the coins have arrived in your virtual wallet, ready for saving or spending.
Bitcoins were designed to be – and, in many ways, are – the perfect digital currency: they’re frictionless, anonymous, and cryptographically astonishingly secure. For anybody who’s ever suffered the incompetence of a bank, or bristled at the fees involved in just spending money, either domestically or abroad – that is to say, for all of us – the promise of bitcoin is the holy grail of payments. Especially since, to all intents and purposes, bitcoins are invisible to law enforcement and the taxman.
Those strengths are also weaknesses. No one wants to risk losing millions of dollars worth of currency overnight, just because they were outsmarted by some computer hacker.
Still, for the time being, bitcoin is in many ways the best and cleanest payments mechanism the world has ever seen. So if we’re ever going to create something better, we’re going to have to learn from what bitcoin does right – as well as what it does wrong.
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With money laundering possibilities like this, who needs Cypriot banks?
That’s one of the things about bitcoins: once you send them, they’re sent. Similarly, if someone sends you bitcoins, you know for sure that you own them. You don’t need to know or trust the sender — all you need to know is that the coins have arrived in your virtual wallet, ready for saving or spending.
With money laundering possibilities like this, who needs Cypriot banks?
The attraction of Bitcoins to people who want to hide their money (which includes a lot of REALLY rich people/organizations- drug cartels, corrupt government officials, organized crime, tax evaders, terrorists) does make them rather attractive as a speculative investment, if you don’t mind profiting from dealing with the devil.
“…drug cartels, corrupt government officials, organized crime, tax evaders, terrorists…”
As an alternative, they can make all-cash investments in U.S. residential real estate.
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-05 16:48:29
As an alternative, they can make all-cash investments in U.S. residential real estate.
Don’t all cash transfers above $10,000 (or something like that) have to be reported to the IRS?
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-05 17:58:03
Even the illegal ones? (I suppose in the case of a home purchase, it is a bit hard to hide, as presumably the county assessor tracks changes of ownership…)
Bitcoins — the stateless currency maintained by a network of math-problem-solving PCs — has spiked in value since financial crisis struck Cyprus. But are Bitcoins really worth all that? Or do they just provide an object lesson in how quickly trust in a country’s economic system can ebb and flow?
I first encountered Bitcoins back in June 2011. Back then, there was $130 million worth of this weightless virtual currency and its value had spiked 6,000% in the first six months of the year when each one was worth $30. Since then, the value of the 10,952,975 Bitcoins in circulation has soared to about $1.1 billion and they trade at $100 a piece, according to BusinessWeek.
In 2011, Bitcoins were not very widely accepted. You could use them to buy alpaca socks, organic gardening services, a Bitcoin merit badge from NerdMeritBadge.com, and some technology products. And if Senator Charles Schumer was to be believed, Bitcoins were also a popular way to buy illegal drugs through Silk Road.
On March 20, according to the BBC, a Canadian homeowner, Taylor More, listed his two-bedroom Alberta bungalow for 7,054 Bitcoins — then-worth $56. Heck, you can even use Bitcoins to buy pizza, reports the BBC.
Bitcoins are a peer-to-peer currency named after the file-sharing technology, Bittorrent. Rather than banks and governments issuing Bitcoins, a network of Bitcoin holders’ computers does the heavy lifting. Touted as untraceable, Bitcoins are heaven on earth for libertarians and others who dream of a global economy outside the control of governments.
A mysterious programmer going by “Satoshi Nakamoto” started Bitcoins in 2009 and after he disappeared in 2010, an Amherst, Mass.-based programmer, Gavin Andresen took over the project.
And since crisis erupted in Cyprus, the value of Bitcoins have soared. And why not? The crisis in Cyprus led to a spike in fear about the risk in government-run currencies. As the New York Times reports, the genesis of that fear was Cyprus’s policy of accepting few-questions-asked cash and charging companies an ultra-low 10% tax.
Cash flooded Cyprus from around Europe — a third came from Russian oligarchs. And those deposits turned into loans. According to the Times, a bank would give a a £20,000 loan and a £5,000 credit card to a depositor with a monthly salary of £400. Much of this money went into real estate that soared in price.
And while the 2010 Euro-recession took much of the wind out of Cyprus’s real estate market, it was the purchase of Greek government bonds by Cypriot banks that caused its banking system to collapse.
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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-05 23:51:36
Current Account
The Economics blog Bitcoin is in hyperdeflation Bubble or not, the underpinnings of Bitcoin pose problems to its use as a popular currency.
By Alex Hern Published 02 April 2013 13:01
Business Insider’s Joe Weisenthal covers the still-soaring price of Bitcoin – which has now broken $100 – and puts an interesting spin on the situation: the Bitcoin economy is now suffering hyperdeflation. He writes:
So a few weeks ago, a pizza might have cost you one Bitcoin. Today it might only cost you a fifth of a Bitcoin, which sounds great, but then if you’re looking at the above chart, why would you spend anything?
Why would you buy a pizza (or pot or anything else) when tomorrow your Bitcoin will be worth more? With this kind of chart, you’d be insane to do anything but hoard your coins.
So yes, all the hype is great for some folks in the ecosystem, but ultimately there’s a reason that over time, government prefer to see their currency slowly depreciate. A surging currency leads to hoarding which kills real transactions.
I’ve written repeatedly that I think the current price of Bitcoin is the result of a volatile bubble – though I’m no more certain than anyone else as to when that bubble will burst – and that explanation is part of the reason why. The faster the Bitcoin price rises, the fewer actual transactions you’ll see being made with it. Insofar as there is a “real” price of the currency, as opposed to the inflated price it’s showing now, that must be based on people actually using Bitcoin, rather than hoarding it. While the currency is in hyperdeflation, that won’t happen (outside of a few crazy people doing things like selling their houses in it).
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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-05 18:10:05
How many top U.S. government officials are voluntarily taking a 20% pay cut to match the breach of contract imposed on furloughed federal workers through September?
DHS’ Janet Napolitano will donate 5 percent of her salary to foundations that benefit DHS employees DHS’ Janet Napolitano will donate 5 percent of her salary to foundations that benefit DHS employees AP
A handful of lawmakers and federal executives who are exempt from taking forced unpaid leave due to sequestration have pledged to stand with the downtrodden and the furloughed. The following is a list of people in government whose pay is unaffected by the automatic, across-the-board cuts, but who have said they will dock their pay as federal employees are furloughed. We will update it as more officials join the movement.
EXECUTIVE BRANCH
President Obama: Obama said he will give 5 percent of his salary back to the Treasury to “share in the sacrifice being made by public servants across the federal government that are affected by the sequester,” according to a White House official.
Chuck Hagel, Defense secretary: Hagel will return 5 percent of his salary to the Treasury, his spokesman said.
John Kerry, secretary of State: Kerry will donate 5 percent of his salary to charities benefiting State Department employees.
Janet Napolitano, Homeland Security secretary: The former Arizona governor will donate 5 percent of her salary to foundations that benefit DHS employees, Politico reported.
Shaun Donovan, Housing and Urban Development Department secretary: Donovan will donate 5 percent of his salary to charities in the affordable housing industry. Several additional sequestration-exempt HUD workers will forfeit some pay, The Washington Post reported.
Bob Perciasepe, Environmental Protection Agency acting administrator: Perciasepe has donated four days’ worth of pay to the Federal Employee Education and Assistance Fund.
Eric Holder, attorney general: Holder has said giving back part of his pay is “certainly something that I would consider,” according to Politico.
Arne Duncan, Education secretary: Duncan will consider docking his pay, “but nothing’s been decided,” a spokesman said.
Ashton Carter, deputy secretary of Defense: Carter told a Senate committee he would cut his own salary by 20 percent if his employees face an equivalent pay reduction through furloughs. Pentagon furloughs have since been reduced, however.
LEGISLATIVE BRANCH
Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.: After Carter volunteered to take a salary cut, Graham said, “We should follow your model. We should have our pay docked and the president should have his pay docked.” Graham later introduced a nonbinding budget amendment as part of “vote-a-rama” that would require senators to give 20 percent of their salary to the Treasury or to charity.
Sens. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., and Bill Nelson, D-Fla.: The two senators have introduced legislation to make congressional salaries vulnerable to sequestration cuts. “The federal workforce is looking at furloughs that would result in a sizeable pay cut — and there’s absolutely no reason members of Congress should exempt themselves.”
Sen. Barbara Mikulski, D-Md.: Mikulski took to the Senate floor to call for congressional pay cuts to match federal employee furloughs.
Sen. Mark Begich, D-Alaska: Begich announced in a statement he would give the same number of days’ pay as his most furloughed staffers back to the Treasury.
Rep. Tammy Duckworth, D-Ill.: Duckworth said in a statement she will take an 8.4 percent pay cut to match the reduction in most discretionary programs.
Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton, D-D.C.: The nonvoting representative from Washington, said she will donate a day’s pay for each day federal employees are furloughed — matching the highest number of furlough days at any agency — to the Federal Employee Education and Assistance Fund.
Rep. Patrick Murphy, D-Fla.: “Sequestration’s indiscriminate cuts are causing furloughs and job losses as well as cutting funding to many important programs in our communities, yet the salaries of members of Congress have not been affected,” Murphy said in statement. “That is why I am going to take a portion of my salary each month to support local charities who continue to go above and beyond to provide vital services to those in our community.
Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md.: The ranking member of the House Oversight and Government Reform told Government Executive in light of sequestration he will donate a portion of his salary to scholarship funds at Howard University and Morgan State University.
Rep. Ami Bera, D-Calif.: Bera will give 8.2 percent of his monthly pay to organizations in his home district being impacted by sequestration budget cuts.
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As agencies scramble to determine which employees might be subject to furlough and for how long, states are bracing for the economic fallout from sequestration. Government’s budget crunch sometimes is viewed as solely a Washington problem, but its impact also will be felt disproportionately in other parts of the country where the federal workforce is omnipresent.
Among a federal civilian workforce of than 2 million, Washington, D.C., ranks No. 4 with about 165,000 employees, trailing California (242,000), Texas (187,000) and Virginia (171,000), according to data compiled by Janet Kopenhaver, the Washington representative for Federally Employed Women. States with the fewest feds include Delaware (5,300), Vermont (6,500) and New Hampshire (8,000).
Drawing on data from the Office of Personnel Management and the Bureau of Labor Statistics, FEW breaks down the population of federal civilians (where they work) and retirees (where they live) by congressional district and provides the information to lawmakers each year. “These statistics are very important to legislators and their staffs on Capitol Hill so that they will know how many federal workers and retirees are employed and live in their state and district,” Kopenhaver said in a news release. “So the next time lawmakers say that federal workers are overpaid, wasteful and not productive, and that furloughs and/or layoffs should be implemented, let them remember that they are referring to their own constituents and their livelihoods.”
At a 2012 news conference releasing projections that sequestration would cost the nation’s economy 2.14 million jobs, two big city mayors sounded the alarm. Phoenix Mayor Greg Stanton said the cuts “would likely put Arizona in a recession.”
Especially in states with a significant military presence, furloughs and spending cuts loom large. In March, Deputy Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter sent letters to the governors of Alabama, California, Florida, Georgia, Maryland, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia and Washington, warning that spending cuts at military installations could have a ripple effect on local economies.
Regular readers of this column have heard me say it before, but I’ll say it again: I’m often embarrassed by the questions my colleagues ask at White House briefings. This week was no exception.
Among reporters inside the Beltway, the latest narrative, repeated without qualification, is that the Obama administration is guilty of exaggerating the impact of the sequester. After all, those $1 trillion across-the-board cuts, $85 billion of which will happen this fiscal year, kicked in on March 1. They’ve been in place for more than a month now. And the sky hasn’t fallen. Trains are still running on time, Major League Baseball opened the season on schedule, and the lights still come on when you flip the switch. Only White House tours have been canceled. So what’s the big deal?
God forbid reporters pause long enough to do a little independent research before repeating that nonsense. If they did, they wouldn’t join the chorus. That narrative is dead wrong. For two reasons. First, nobody ever said the sequester axe would fall immediately, or all at one time. It takes a long time to bring a battleship to a dead stop. It takes a long time to shut down, or even slow down a government agency.
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I would like to ask how many Joe6pack out there get it as to what is happening in our Country economically speaking. When I do my own survey I come up close to perhaps 50 percent or lower. Those people that do think something is different in this recession blame political parties. The people that have jobs and are not feeling the pain have only a passing concern. As long as their bills are getting it is all goooood.
2) “One thing that makes very hard to forecast home prices right now is that we’re living in a totally artificial real estate economy. We have the Fed with QE 3, buying billions of mortgages, mortgage securities… Fannie and Freddie and FHA are supporting most new mortgages” - Robert Shiller, 0:39 seconds: http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000156907
3) Walter Malony, spokesman for the NAR, came on DC news radio a week or two ago to say that the housing market has recovered and there is “no artificial support.”
The word I keep hearing over and over again is “artificial.”
So. Which is it? And if the real estate and asset markets are in fact artificial, so what? What are the intended and unintended consequences?
When you pump seven trillion fake dollars into the markets, the markets will go up. Allegedly.
But a cruddy 3/2 house is still a cruddy 3/2 house no matter how you price it. And an ounce of gold is still an ounce of gold. It’s really just a matter of how those seven trillion fake dollars get distributed.
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-05 23:43:39
Why use Bitcoins?
Bitcoins offer many advantages over traditional currencies.
For starters, unlike traditional currencies Bitcoin is “decentralized” and peer-to-peer, making it a currency without borders. Bitcoins can’t be frozen and are not tied to any one region or government as traditional currencies often are. Bitcoin is to currency as the Internet is to information. It’s world wide, everyone has equal access, and Bitcoin promotes fair trade. Bitcoin is the first of its kind in that its value comes from the design and usage, not because a government vouches for it.
Well, given that bitcoin is basically a medium for transacting illegal activities, and the USG among others have all-but-announced they will be monitoring if not tracking it for tax purposes, and it’s not really useful unless it can be conveniently converted into something besides virtual assets, my guess is that it will stay underground in the realm of online gaming and drug sales (and maybe small time money laundering) until it goes the way of private-mint coinage, blue chip stamps, and Disneyland ticket books.
This country couldn’t even convert to metric. Wait until they see what’s required to set up and track a bitcoin account.
Pork found in Ikea’s moose lasagna
The Associated Press
STOCKHOLM —
Ikea says it has withdrawn 17,000 portions of moose lasagna from its home furnishings stores in Europe after traces of pork were found in a batch tested in Belgium.
Ikea spokeswoman Tina Kardum said the product had only been on sale for a month when it was pulled off the shelves on March 22.
The company didn’t announce the withdrawal publicly until Swedish newspaper Svenska Dagbladet wrote about it Saturday.
Kardum said the company found out Friday that a follow-up test in Belgium confirmed the lasagna contained 1.6 percent pork. She said: “We have more information now. That’s why we choose to inform now.”
Ikea has previously recalled meatballs and other meat products sold in its cafeterias and frozen foods sections after tests showed they contained traces of horsemeat.
I would like to ask HBB if they are seeing raises (or saw raises) this year? Personally I got a 1.5% raise (less than the official CPI) but hey something is better than nothing.
I am seeing the same across different industries from talking to people working in those industries (oil & gas, EPC, mfg etc.). Note that these are highly technical jobs and pay a decent salary.
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Is it go time yet?
Maryland, Connecticut, Colorado, D.C., California, New york, Oregon, Washington, Illinois, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Jersey, all passing gun control this month. Pretty soon we will have to regroup in the south. Only problem is relatively few good jobs in the south.
I want to be Patrick Swayze when I grow up.
http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0087985/
I think he’s dead.
Ask Janet.
Not to worry — the South will rise again!
Not just the south… New Hampshire state motto: Live Free or Die
New Hampshire state motto: Live Free or Die
(and keep the government out of my Medicare!)
And yet…
http://www.politico.com/2012-election/results/governor/new-hampshire/
Obama won NH easily, NH elected a DEM governor, and NH has 2 Dem Senators and 2 Dems in the House of Representatives.
GOP elected officials in NH are New England Republicans, not the teabilly variety.
CO governor is pushing a bill to give Secret Service vast new powers in the state.
Ostensibly, this is to allow the SS (no pun intended) to arrest Sheriffs who have already stated they won’t enforce unconstitutional gun laws, particularly the recent ban passed in CO.
Want to know when “Go Time” is? When the Fed’s get into a shoot-out with local LEO for defending the rights of the people. You’ll see 2A supporters and veterans from all over the country quit jobs, pack up guns, ammo, and gear, kiss wives and children goodbye, and head out to CO to fight tyranny and support freedom.
See above post about Red Dawn.
See above post about Red Dawn.
Given the recent threats against the US coming out of North Korea, Russia running bombing drills against US air defense networks, and Chinese hackers running DoS attackes against US networks, you may get your chance.
Want to know when “Go Time” is? When the Fed’s get into a shoot-out with local LEO for defending the rights of the people.
Interesting thought. Does the Secret Service have a right to arrest a local Sheriff in their own jurisdiction if they aren’t counterfeiting or threatening the president?
That’s what’s being pushed, as I understand it. The Secret Service would have the authority to detain and arrest anyone observed by the Secret Service to be committing a crime. The question is whether Sheriffs observed to not enforce the law would be considered a crime.
Sorry, by crime I mean a violation of State law, not just Federal law.
Sheriffs have wide latitude when it comes to arresting someone.
Remember, Sheriffs can arrest someone regardless of whether or not they have committed a crime.
Absent a specific state law saying that sheriffs are required to enforce all the laws all the time (and you aren’t going to see that, because no one give law enforcement even 10% of the money they need to do it), for a LEO to selectively decide not to enforce a law seems to be a refusal to carry out a portion of your job. Good reason to get fired (or possibly some variation of impeached if you are an elected official), but not arrested.
I can’t see how you get the Secret Service involved at all unless you are dealing with a visit from an official or individual the Secret Service protects. Say if the President were speaking in an arena and the local sheriff refused to take away weapons being brought in because people were ususally allowed to bring in weapons to that space. Even then, I don’t see why they would arrest anyone. Just fly in more Secret Service officers and bill the county for the extra (assuming they are normally required to help with security at those events).
You’ll see 2A supporters and veterans from all over the country quit jobs, pack up guns, ammo, and gear, kiss wives and children goodbye, and head out to CO to fight tyranny and support freedom.
(as soon as the baseball and basketball seasons are over)
(as soon as the baseball and basketball seasons are over)
Bread and circus is for the sheep. The sheepdogs I know don’t give a rat’s ass about baseball or basketball as it pertains to interfering with liberty and constitutionally protected rights.
The typical Fudd might be different, but most of us view Fudd’s as traitors to the 2A anyway: “Nobody needs nuthin but a 12ga double barreled ’cause… I mean, no one needs one of those newfangled automatic assault rifles ’cause… umm, if ya can’t hit what ya aiming at wit one shot err, when’s the game on?”
but most of us view Fudd’s as traitors to the 2A anyway
You “sheep dogs” need to teach those Fudd traitors a lesson at go-time.
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CO governor is pushing a bill to give Secret Service vast new powers in the state.
Your own link seems to think this is much ado about nothing:
We’ll see. Just like DHS won’t answer questions regarding large ammunition contracts, time will tell why the Governor of CO is pushing to allow SS authority as peace officers in state matters…
As long as it’s constitutional I don’t mind states catering to their local tastes. You can always move somewhere else if you don’t like it. There is some danger of Balkanization on our horizon as we separate from each other based on philosophy, but that would seem more dangerous for the places that choose to be disarmed…
does reading the drudge report make you stupid or are stupid people just more likely to read the drudge report
Wiki-up “Drudge Report” and you’ll get an interesting read.
Saul Alinsky
What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be.
Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.
Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don’t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.
does reading the new york times and listening to npr make you homogay commie or are homogay commies just more likely to read the new york times and listen to npr
Saul Alinsky
What follows is for those who want to change the world from what it is to what they believe it should be.
Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.
Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don’t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame
speaking of alinsky…
http://www.bob-owens.com/2013/04/bloody-calculus/
Who has practiced and perfected Alinsky’s tricks more enthusiastically and effectively than the GOP, and their mouthpiece Fox News?
“Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it.”
Yep, that’s exactly how they do it. See: Treyvon, Jesse Jackson, Barney Frank, Willie Horton, Nancy Pelosi, ‘liberal’, ‘progressive’, Hillary, swift boat, welfare queen, ‘take your guns away’, pledge of allegiance, flag burning amendment, etc.
They are the Alinsky masters.
Stupid liberals need their version of Fox. It’s only fair.
Unfortunately, the liberal channel (MSNBC) has a prime time lineup full of intelligent commentators while Fox keeps feeding Americans crap. If there was a conservative (better yet, classical liberal) channel with anyone worth watching, I would watch it. The difference in the intelligence level between, say, Chris Hayes and Bill O’Reilly is incalculable. I take no position on whose opinions are better or more correct, but only a slackjawed yokel would think those two commentators are on the same level.
Of course, drive down Main Street USA and observe the myriad fast food locations. Turns out that Americans prefer to consume crap. The TV situation is no different.
MSNBC is strictly bedwetter.
But we don’t have cable TeeVee anyway. Stream C-Span over interwebs.
I don’t watch much teevee either but it’s hard to ignore the differences one can pick up between FNC and MSNBC watching only snippets of each.
Unfortunately, the liberal channel (MSNBC) has a prime time lineup full of intelligent commentators while Fox keeps feeding Americans crap.
A conservative commentator as smart as Rachel Maddow does not exist.
Why conservatives continue to link education and intelligence to liberals is beyond me. Maybe it is all part of the general dumbing down of America. Or pandering to the least common denominator is the only way for Repubs to stay current.
A conservative commentator as smart as Rachel Maddow does not exist.
I don’t particularly like Rush. And I think he focuses more on entertainment and manipulation of opinion on behalf of TPTB than commentating, but I suspect he’s as smart as anybody out there.
Pat Buchanan.
But the “conservatives” hate him almost as much as the liberals do.
I disagree with your statement there aren’t classical liberals (not sure if that counts as conservative by today’s standards?) as smart as the people in MSNBC’s line up. There are plenty out there.
The problem is that the pipeline to becoming a FNC personality that will appeal to their base would be punishing for such a person. They would be weeded out long before getting on FNC or kicked out once they got there. Pat Buchannan is an example.
If you go far enough to the left and far enough to the right, you will meet at Pat Buchanon.
CSPAN and PBS Newshour are about as “classically liberal” as they get, if by “liberal” you refer to the dictionary definition, I.E.; “open-minded”. And LinkTV offers thoughtful progressive reporting and analysis from around the world.
By definition, “conservative” cannot mean “open-minded”, thereby limiting its application to objective news and reportage, but the Newshour offers a fine variety of conservative issues interviewees.
(And some of the best spokesmen for conservative points of view can be found on “The Daily Show with Jon Stewart”’s online extended interviews, with “Overtime with Bill Maher” a close second.)
I was laughing at PBS last night. The NewsHour’s Hari Srinivasan interviewed a fellow movie critic about the life of Roger Ebert.
It’s well-known that when Ebert lost his voice in 2006, he shifted from reviewing movies to becoming a very liberal blogger. And the movie critic kept referring to the later liberal blogging years, how Ebert “found his real voice” and “was even more passionate.”
Hari Srinivasan desperately shifted the questions back to Ebert the movie reviewer and TV host with Gene Siskel. You could just seeee poor Hari squirming and thinking “avoid the political stuff avoid the political stuff avoid the poltical stuff AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHGH!!!”
(not the first time I’ve seen it on PBS, either. Paul Salmon, the economics guy, has crossed the liberal line a few times. Can’t say I blame him — he’s the one who has to cover the criminal banksters.)
but only a slackjawed yokel would think those two commentators are on the same level.
I thought that was precisely the point?
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/does-the-white-house-dread-drudge-the-five-crew-takes-on-the-power-of-the-conservative-site/
Yes.
CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASH!
Did you hear that?
It the sound resulting from collapsing housing prices blowing through the floor in your neighborhood leaving a smoldering moon crater and an empty bank account with your name on it.
We didn’t see facebook realtor last night. Think he was stuck in line waiting hours for a table at Applebee’s and couldn’t make it.
He probably had 2 closings in Longmont last night and several showings to line up for the weekend.
Maybe he was camping out in front of a new development to snap up a few units when they go on sale this weekend?
Good afternoon, my squoogly moo!!
Are the 0.1% at risk of having their wealth taken away from them?
Too bad the Fed’s QE-fueled stock market rally mainly benefits only about the top five percent of the wealth distribution, and drives up the already huge gap between rich and poor.
What Happened In Cyprus Will Happen Everywhere: Marc Faber
Published: Tuesday, 2 Apr 2013 | 11:33 AM ET
By: Paul Toscano
Faber’s Doom Scenario
Marc Faber, Gloom Boom & Doom Report, explains why he believes the rally could end badly this year.
Growing wealth inequality means that the wealthy have nowhere to hide and that events like those in Cyprus will happen in more countries around the world, including developed nations, said Marc Faber, the contrarian investor and publisher of the Gloom, Boom & Doom Report.
“It will happen everywhere in the world, in Western democracies,” Faber said “Squawk on the Street” on Tuesday. “You have more people that vote for a living than work for a living. I think you have to be prepared to lose 20 to 30 percent. I think you’re lucky if you don’t lose your life.”
“If you look at what happened in Cyprus, basically people with money will lose part of their wealth, either through expropriation or higher taxation,” he added.
“The problem is that 92 percent of financial wealth is owned by 5 percent of the population. The majority of people don’t own meaningful stock positions and they don’t benefit from a rise in the stock market. They are being hurt by a rising cost of living and we all know that the real incomes of median households has been going down for the last few years,” he said.
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” 92 percent of financial wealth is owned by 5 percent of the population”
What’s the problem? Bootstrapping job creators end up with all the money because they can buy off the system. Are you saying that neither of our political parties really want free markets and a flourishing economy for everyone? Nonsense.
What’s interesting is that the most notable modern example of a rags to riches (not riches to megariches) bootstrapper is Jay Z, who went from a Brooklyn crack dealer to the lord of a half-billion dollar music/clothes/bling empire.
I prefer the YMCMB story, but Jay-Z/Beyonce/Kanye works too.
you’re 4 days late for april fools day.
Are the 0.1% at risk of having their wealth taken away from them?
I haven’t seen any signs of it…have you?
Is the economic recovery still on track?
on track.
if you consider an endless loop of a slow-motion train wreck to be on track, then yes.
Only 88,000 new jobs added, versus nearly 500,000 dropping out of the labor force; sounds like the unemployment rate went down considerably, as nearly 500,000 fewer “workers” are now considered unemployed!
Silver lining for stock market bulls: QE-to-infinity-and-beyond is intact, for now at least.
Disappointment as only 88,000 new jobs in March
Worst jobs growth in 10 months and labor participation at lowest level since 1979. Yuck.
April 5, 2013, 9:35 a.m. EDT
U.S. jobs gain in March lowest in 10 months
New hires fall to 88,000, more people drop out of labor force
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The United States created the fewest number of jobs in March in 10 months, adding to a string of reports suggesting companies have cut back on new hires and that the economy is slowing again.
The U.S. added a seasonally adjusted 88,000 jobs last month — the smallest increase since last June — and nearly half-a-million people stopped looking for work last month, according to data issued by the Labor Department Friday.
The March jobs report fell well below Wall Street expectations. Economists polled by MarketWatch had forecast a 190,000 increase in jobs. U.S. stock futures (SPM3 -1.16%) slumped after the report.
“What we have in today’s employment report is what the ISM data and the auto (not truck) sales indicated, the economy is expanding but not accelerating. And with that, we can probably put to rest recent FOMC chatter about things starting to get good enough to begin strategizing on how to pare back monthly purchases of Treasurys and agency mortgage-backed securities,” said Steve Blitz, chief economist of ITG Investment Research, in a note to clients.
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Suddenly all stock market indicators are pointing down!
Europe Markets Archives
April 5, 2013, 9:02 a.m. EDT
Europe stocks extend slide on U.S. jobs data
Airlines drop on fears of bird flu impacts on air travel
By Sara Sjolin, MarketWatch
LONDON (MarketWatch) — European stock markets dropped sharply Friday afternoon, after U.S. nonfarm-payrolls data came in substantially below expectations.
The Stoxx Europe 600 index (XX:SXXP -2.05%) slid 1.8% to 286.54, the lowest level in over a month.
Data from the U.S. Labor Department showed just 88,000 jobs were added to the economy in March, far short of expectations for a gain of 190,000 and the smallest increase in 10 months.
While the unemployment rate ticked down to 7.6% from 7.7%, it reflected fewer Americans looking for work, according to the data.
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Disappointment as only 88,000 new jobs in March
Of course, this has nothing to do with the sequester, right?
The word in the MSM is that sequester impacts will not show up in the jobs numbers until the summer. (I have no explanation for why this should be the case or evidence that it will, other than that I heard a an NPR reporter say so today…)
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Global Insight: Sequestration’s slow burn will not mitigate effects
By Robin Harding in Washington
Deep restructuring will be needed if there is no budget deal soon
Some of the hardest policy problems are those that happen so slowly that people do not notice the change: like the frog, we boil to death without realising.
Climate change is the most obvious example but the sequestration – under which the US has imposed an across-the-board 8 per cent cut in public spending – may turn out to be another.
The sequestration began at the start of March, and will lop $85bn off spending by September, but so far the economic effects are imperceptible. As a result, there is little political pressure to reverse or replace the cuts.
A number of officials at agencies affected by the sequestration warn, however, that they have merely taken temporary measures to save cash by delaying investments, sending staff on unpaid holidays and leaving other posts unfilled.
If the sequestration continues into the next financial year then those temporary expedients will no longer work. It will be time for fundamental restructuring – firing workers to adjust to a permanently lower budget – and that will damage the economy and services.
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but so far the economic effects are imperceptible.
How can “sending staff on unpaid holidays and leaving other posts unfilled” be imperceptible?
Seems like the jobs report perceived it, just like the people affected did.
What a difference a day makes! The gold bugs are already pricing in an upward revision to the time until when the Fed takes away the punch bowl.
Got paradigm shift? (”Brother, could you paradigm?”)
Gold - Electronic (COMEX) Jun 2013
Market open $1,564.70
Change +12.30 +0.79%
Volume 108,643
Apr 5, 2013 9:58 a.m.
Previous close $1,552.40
Day low $1,549
Day high $1,576
Got paradigm shift? (”Brother, could you paradigm?”)
I’m reading Japan is going to DOUBLE its money supply in 2 years and the Fed will be mulling QE3 later this summer.
There is high food price inflation in Brazil and I notice it every time I come back to America.
Bulletin Dow industrials slide reaches 170 as jobs report shocks Wall Street
Luckily U.S. housing markets and Wall Street stock markets are fully decoupled, as otherwise the recent weakness in stock prices might prove worrisome for the sustainability of the housing market rally!
Bond Report Archives
April 5, 2013, 10:48 a.m. EDT · CORRECTED
Treasurys surge as labor-market recovery slows
By Saumya Vaishampayan, MarketWatch
An earlier version of this article said the job gain in March was the smallest in 10 months. It is the smallest in nine months. The article has been corrected.
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Treasurys surged on Friday as the U.S. economy in March added the smallest number of jobs in nine months, suggesting a slowing in the labor-market recovery.
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Well wait a minute. I thought fewer jobs –> less cost –> higher profit –> increased value of stock. By that reasoning, shouldn’t the DOW go UP on fewer jobs, not down?
I love the disconnect. Companies want customers, but they don’t want to pay employees. Every company wants everybody ELSE to pay employees while they themselves have no employees at all.
I like the current direction of oil prices. My wife urged me last night to take advantage of falling local gasoline prices, but I told her that I plan to delay my next purchase until the “empty” warning light goes on, as the near-term trend is my friend.
Perhaps when Pudgyface Kim eventually shuts his yap, black gold prices will have still further to drop?
Crude Oil - Electronic (NYMX) May 2013
Market open $92.32
Change -0.94 -1.01%
Volume 94,173
Apr 5, 2013 10:09 a.m.
Previous close $93.26
Day low $91.91
Day high $93.57
Open: 93.36
52 week low $81.00
52 week high $106.09
I like the current direction of oil prices. My wife urged me last night to take advantage of falling local gasoline prices, but I told her that I plan to delay my next purchase until the “empty” warning light goes on, as the near-term trend is my friend.
Excellent!
It’s a bit early to say whether this is a blip or a trend, but the freeways along my daily SD commute route have recently been far less congested than they were last year.
One possibility: Fewer people driving to work makes for lighter traffic.
April 5, 2013, 9:59 a.m. EDT
Oil stays under pressure; jobs data disappoint
By Carla Mozee, Sara Sjolin and Barbara Kollmeyer, MarketWatch
MADRID (MarketWatch) — Oil futures extended losses on Friday, trading below $93 and poised for their lowest close in two weeks, on fears energy demand could weaken after a hugely disappointing report on U.S. jobs.
Crude-oil futures for May delivery (CLK3 -0.82%_ fell 82 cents, or close to 1%, to $92.44 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.
Crude on Thursday dropped $1.19, or 1.3%, to $93.26 a barrel. It faced a weekly loss of more than 4%, which would mark oil’s first weekly decline in five weeks.
The Labor Department’s monthly jobs report revealed the smallest increase in jobs growth since last June as new hires fell to 88,000 versus expectations for a gain of 190,000, which had already been ratcheted down by economists. Plus nearly half-a-million people stopped looking for work that month.
“The outlook for energy demand will be impaired, as a result. Recently there has been a decent rise in gasoline and diesel demand, both of which will take a hit if employment trends reverse,” said analysts at the Kilduff Report.
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Could just be Spring Break or that refiners have finally converted to the Summer formula, or that worldwide demand has dwindled.
Some pundits are now predicting retail gas prices under $3 per gallon. Bring it on!
Is it possible that with 500,000 people dropping out of the workforce, traffic on America’s freeways will get appreciably lighter?
I don’t know about traffic getting lighter, but Americans are using less gasoline. See this page.
There are 500,000 people stuck in line right now waiting for tables at Atlanta area Applebee’s.
How many months do they have to be without a job before they officially “drop out of the workforce”? Is it 12 months? 18? Traffic should have been lighter all that time…
Good point. Part of me suspects we may seeing the first signs of another leg down in the local labor market, though it is definitely way too early to say for sure…
Just because the stock market drops 20% or so is no reason to sell all your holdings!
April 5, 2013, 8:31 a.m. EDT
How to survive the next market correction
Commentary: Advice from legendary Peter Lynch resonates today
By Michael Sincere
MIAMI (MarketWatch) — When I interviewed famed mutual fund manager Peter Lynch a few years ago, he told me his winning stock-picking strategy: Go to the mall and observe what people are buying.
Then, he added, do basic research on companies before you buy, closely monitor the company, and understand the reason why you originally bought the stock.
“You have to keep checking the story and the fundamentals,” Lynch said. “It’s called doing research. This doesn’t mean checking the stock price each day. You can sit in a room and look at a stock all day and it won’t help you out one bit.”
Forget about trying to predict the future. As Lynch told me: “I’d love to know what will happen in the future. In fact, I’ve been trying to get next year’s Wall Street Journal for 40 years. I’d even pay an extra dollar for it.”
Bear markets and corrections are a normal part of the stock market cycle. Lynch told me that if you plan to sell your stock in a panic because the market falls by 10% or 20 %, maybe you shouldn’t be in stocks at all.
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Bear markets and corrections are a normal part of the stock market cycle. Lynch told me that if you plan to sell your stock in a panic because the market falls by 10% or 20 %, maybe you shouldn’t be in stocks at all.
Lots and lots of people shouldn’t be in stocks at all. Or speculating on housing. But it’s the only way they can make a living any more…
“Go to the mall and observe what people are buying.”
With the growth of online purchasing, how long will this strategy be effective?
Grundlach, Gross sitting pretty as the ‘great rotation’ falters
April 5, 2013, 3:06 PM
Stocks faltered after Friday’s lousy jobs report and treasury’s jumped, pushing yields (10_YEAR -3.17%) to fresh lows for the year.
As John Spence at ETF Trends noted, PIMCO’s Total Return (ETF BOND +0.25%), which is managed by Bill Gross, hit its highest level since launching a little over a year ago.
Doubleline Capital’s Jeffrey Gundlach said last month he’d been buying treasurys heavily, Spence noted, even as U.S. equity markets were surging to records.
As money has poured into equities this year, many have speculated that the long-running rally in bonds — aggressively goosed along by the Fed’s buying — was finally coming to an end.
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The Grand Illusion
The Obama administration is more inclined to public relations than hard-headed pragmatism in dealing with unemployment
By Mortimer B. Zuckerman
April 4, 2013
Which way are we going? The stock market has revived, though it still is off a high in real terms. There’s suddenly good news about housing demand, which is showing signs of life after six years of stagnation. Yet Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke warns that the package of fiscal cutbacks – the fiscal cliff, sequester, and other cuts – is set to reduce growth by 1.5 percentage points. He calls that “very significant” and adds that “job creation is slower than it would be otherwise.” This is the key to where we are. New research from the Brookings Institution concludes that rising inequality in the United States is not something that will vanish with a real recovery. It is here to stay, a reflection of an increasingly calcified society and a whole crisis in itself.
The present phase of our Great Recession might be called the Grand Illusion, because all the happy talk and statistics that go with it, especially on the key indicator of jobs, give a rosier picture than the facts justify. We are not really advancing. We are, by comparison with earlier recessions, going backward. We have a $1.3 trillion budget deficit. And despite the most stimulative fiscal policy in our history and the most stimulative monetary policy, with a trillion-dollar expansion to our money supply, our economy over the last three years has been declining or stagnant. From growth in annual GDP of 2.4 percent 2010, we bumped down to only 1.8 percent in 2011 and were still down at 2.2 percent in 2012. The cumulative growth for the last 12 quarters was just 6.2 percent, less than half the 15.2 percent average after previous recessions over a similar period of time. It is the slowest growth rate of all the 11 post-World War II recessions.
What has gone wrong? There seems to be a weakness in the investment of private capital. Today, corporate spending on investments is the weakest it has been in six decades. The billions invested in the Internet, spreading its application and comingling the technology with labor, boosted multifactor productivity but, as David Rosenberg of wealth-management firm Gluskin Sheff points out, most of that occurred several years ago. As he has written, a capex-led business recovery that breeds sustained productivity growth and decent job creation is what underscores the best and longest economic expansions since the end of WWII.
Anemic growth looks likely to continue because of various downers implicit in Bernanke’s caution. Sequestration will take $600 billion of government expenditures out of the economy over the next 10 years. Payroll taxes up 2 percent hit about 160 million workers and will drain $110 billion in aggregate demand. The Obama health care tax will be a $30 billion-plus drag. The surge in gasoline prices by some 50 cents recently may be temporary, as Bernanke suggests, but meanwhile represents another $65 billion of consumer cash flow. Conservatively, these nasties add up to roughly a 2 percent hit to baseline GDP growth when we are barely able to muster 2 percent growth.
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8,853,614: Americans on Disability Hits Another Record; Exceeds 3x Population of Chicago
April 4, 2013
By Terence P. Jeffrey
(CNSNews.com) - The number of American workers collecting federal disability payments climbed to yet another record of 8,853,614 in March, up from 8,840,427 in February, according to newly released data from the Social Security Administration.
That means there are more than 3 times as many Americans taking disability payments as there are people living in the city of Chicago, which according to the Census Bureau has a population of 2,707,120.
March was the 194th straight month that the number of American workers collecting federal disability payments increased. The last time the number of Americans collecting disability decreased was in January 1997. That month the number of workers taking disability dropped by 249 people—from 4,385,623 in December 1996 to 4,385,374 in January 1997.
As the overall number of Americans collecting disability has increased, the ratio of full-time workers to disability beneficiaries has decreased.
In December 1968, 1,295,428 Americans collected disability and, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 65,630,000 worked full-time. Thus, there were about 51 Americans working full-time for each person collecting disability at that time. In January 1997, the last time the number of disability beneficiaries declined, 4,385,374 Americans collected disability and 104,900,000 worked full-time. Thus, there were then about 24 Americans working full-time for each person collecting disability.
In March 2013, with a record 8,853,614 Americans collecting disability and 115,841,000 working fulltime, there were only 13 Americans working full-time for each person collecting disability.
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This Subprime Bubble Is Getting Ready to Burst
By Amanda Alix
April 5, 2013
There’s another subprime loan problem brewing, but this time, home mortgages aren’t the main ingredient in the securities being created, sliced, rated, and sold to hungry investors.
Subprime auto loans are making a comeback, as are the asset-backed securities that include these and other risky loans. Investors are snapping up these products, and a recent article on the subject strongly suggests that the Federal Reserve is to blame for the whole thing.
This bubble has been expanding at a rapid pace
ABSes have seen a resurgence in popularity over the past year, after falling out of favor shortly after the financial crisis hit. These investment products — which are made up of debt such as student loans, credit card balances, and auto loans — have become more attractive as stingy yields have become the norm.
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SubPrime lending on autos can be the only answer for the auto sales volume numbers released this week. For over a year, I have distrusted the reported numbers. They make no sense. In light of SubPrime lending? It makes all the sense in the world.
Take a look at a 20 year chart of auto sales volume and you’ll understand my skepticism 100%.
How long until the Bitcoin bubble implodes?
The Ups And Downs Of Cyber Currency Bitcoin
by Steve Henn
April 05, 2013 6:22 AM
3 min 49 sec
Bitcoin is a virtual currency that’s traded online. It’s been on a wild ride lately, soaring in value during the Cyprus banking crisis. And this week, the price plummeted after a Bitcoin trading exchange was hacked.
How long does it really take for the bubble mentality to go away?
There has been in a slump (long,long overdue) in the sales prices for real estate for a long time in most of the country. There has been an uptick this spring which seems to be attributable to less inventory for sale and some loosening on borrowing standards. I’ll leave the analysis of how much prices have gone up and where and all that to others if they really want to discuss it. You can call it a rebound or a dead cat bounce or a bump on the long road to real affordability or whatever you like.
But what I would like to talk about is the attitude. People are talking about real estate investment as if it is the holy grail all over again. I don’t often bumb up against issues connected to real estate investment in my job, but this week the phone has been ringing off the hook and while the issues vary a little, that is the underlying theme. The [people/things/entities/stuff/whatever] my office deals with are all excited about real estate again. And the people calling are not just somebody in suburban wherever who knows how to get the right phone numbers to call but who don’t usually deal with large issues. They are attorneys who work for clients who pay them lots and lots and lots of money just to answer the phone.
So, evidently, 7 years or even more depending on how you measure it, wasn’t enough to change the attitude about real estate. [People/things/entities/stuff/whatever] are still looking at it as a font of money from which to drink as long as you get in at the right time.
What does it take to pop the bubble in people’s minds?
[People/things/entities/stuff/whatever] are still looking at it as a font of money from which to drink as long as you get in at the right time. That’s the American Dream.
“How long does it really take for the bubble mentality to go away?”
I’d guess with unprecedented levels of hair-of-the-dog bubble reflation stimulus, it will take a lot longer than it would otherwise.
“So, evidently, 7 years or even more depending on how you measure it, wasn’t enough to change the attitude about real estate. [People/things/entities/stuff/whatever] are still looking at it as a font of money from which to drink as long as you get in at the right time.”
I wonder why?
“What does it take to pop the bubble in people’s minds?”
It’s not complicate. One word. LOSS.
And the losses are coming. And this round is going to be breathtaking as prices will finally roll back to the pre-bubble levels of the mid 1990’s.
The the window of time to exit housing is narrowing quickly.
I hope so.
What does it take to pop the bubble in people’s minds?
The end of “get rich without actually doing any work” mentality.
“What does it take to pop the bubble in people’s minds?”
The water-cooler perception that its participants are losing money.
What does it take to pop the bubble in people’s minds?
It would seem it takes a real depression where losses are actually acknowledged and important people who used to have money no longer do…which we are doing everything in our power to avoid. Long live the bubble.
What does it take to pop the bubble in people’s minds?
The government to get out of it and quit pushing it like a drug?
“Get Rich Quick” has always held some appeal to people and driven bubble mentalities.
Various gold rushes, tulip bulb mania, stock market bubbles, Florida housing bubble in the early 1920s, recent housing bubble, etc.
It is tempting to say that the government leaving the lending industry would stop bubble mentality, but I think that’s false. There were housing bubbles all around the world in countries where there was no government loan guarantees.
Now, if you abolish the Fed, that might have an impact, since there would be no one to “lean against the wind” with ultra-low interest rates in tough times.
“What does it take to pop the bubble in people’s minds?”
I don’t think the average American thinks that the housing bubble has popped like we do here at the hbb. In my opinion most people view that home prices have gone down and may be they can buy now cheaper as the escalating prices and equity withdrawals would be a safety net. They also believe that owning a home is a path to prosperity. This thinking never ever went away. It is ingrained in their brains. So they are hoping for or almost assured about equity withdrawals in their future all by their own magical thinking.
Another reason is that most people do not have anything going for them in their jobs economically speaking. So owning a home is all they have left of an American dream.
Being in debt paying for a car or a house they cannot afford is all they can aspire. Without these items they will feel like a big looser.
A home to them is a future magical money tree. Just my 2 cents
Polly, I think you supplied the answer a long time ago: by requiring banks to hold part of a risky tranche. In the same vein:
The only thing that will kill the bubble mentality is actual skin in the game. And it has to be skin which is immediately accountable — no pushing it off to the next quarter or the next year or until you retire to Tahiti with a pile and leave the pending losses to your successor. Nope. NOW. Examples:
1. No more mark-to-fantasy accounting where you don’t see a loss until you sell, which allows you to hold of inventory as long as you feel like it.
2. No more deferred interest, like when WaMu would receive a mortgage payment less than interest and book it as fully amortized. Nope, banks should have to treat their checkbooks like any schmo: what you have is only what you have now, not what you think you’ll get later.
3. No more 0% down, you want a house you need real cash now.
4. And NO MORE selling up the food chain scot free for the fees. If you want to sell a mortgage to Fannie, you have to hold a risky tranche for yourself. And yes, that tranche bites into your reserves, so you can only make mortgages until you run out of reserves. No more infinite deals.
In other words, if you want to make money on a mortgage, you’ll have to do it the old fashioned way: by waiting 30 years for someone to work it off. That will kill a bubble, and fast. It will also kill the country.
“It will also kill the country.”
More end of world lies from our resident debt-junkie.
Can anyone tell me what might be going on here? http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/14726-Indian-Look-Out-Rd-Caliente-CA-93518/69243727_zpid/
Zillow had this semi-reinforced washer-drier box “valued” at $69,500 last week — the vastly overpriced amount the current owners paid for it back in September. Today I noticed Zillow has it “valued” at 104K!
The land under this 30-year-old relocated POS is worth MAYBE $10K if you include the electrical hookup and the interest in a shared water well. The “home” itself isn’t worth what it would cost to get a dozer up to flatten it. Seriously, I’ve seen some outrageous valuations over the last eight years, but this one is just off-the-charts.
None of the other properties in this zip code have seen ANY increase this week, let alone a commensurate jump, and this (again, literal) shack hasn’t been re-listed on the MLS, so it’s not some flipper’s wishing price. Why the 30% leap in one week? Do crooked appraisers have a direct link to the Zillow gnomes, or could there be (gasp) funny business going on in the Kounty Recorder’s orifice? Or maybe it was some real estate lady’s April Fools Day gag, or…?
Genuinely puzzled by this one. Is it an anomaly? Thanks.
Is this related to housing? If yes, then you can count on fraud.
Obviously, but how does it work? How does one get past Zillow’s valuation algorithms? And if that’s possible, why isn’t every UHD doing it to raise comps?
Is it commutable to DC area? That could explain the inflated prices.
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LOL. Well, I understand that the new owners DID replace the water heater….
Maybe some comps sold that reflected the new price.
No sales or even new listings in the area. And larger, newer, actual stick-built houses on larger and far more desirable properties are still valued at significantly less –with no change in the Zillow valuation.
Just wondering how they pulled it off. Will investigate and report back. Maybe Palladin has some thoughts on this?
How long will it take a 10-year Japanese government bond yield to exceed 3%?
I recall hearing one person say that it will take until approximately 2014/2015 for the Japanese to NOT be able to fund their own deficit, so that seemed to be about the time there will be problems.
However, that comment was before the BOJ revved up the printing presses (at, National GDP adjusted, about 2.5x the level of the Fed).
Is it sooner now?
What is the tipping point to irreversible and complete currency crisis? 3%? 4%? 5%?
As the government sucks more and more capital out of their people to service their debt, does it result in a depression in Japan? Or inflation?
How does the fact that MOST of their current creditors are Japanese citizens effect the outcome? Seems like it would dampen the problems to me.
I think THIS is the biggest global finance issue occurring over the next 12-24 months.
Which investment strategy is most promising?
1. Convert all your savings into Benjamins and store them under your mattress.
2. Convert your savings into gold coins and bury them in your backyard.
3. Convert your savings into Bitcoin and store them in cyberspace.
4. Use a low-downpayment federally-guaranteed mortgage to buy an overpriced house and hope for the best.
My wife neither knows nor cares what a Bitcoin is.
Felix Salmon
Felix Salmon is the finance blogger at Reuters
Published April 3, 2013
Money & Banking
The Bitcoin Bubble and the Future of Currency
A few days ago, the value of all the bitcoins in the world blew past $1 billion for the first time ever. That’s an impressive achievement, for a purely virtual currency backed by no central bank or other authority. It’s also temporary: we’re in the middle of a bitcoin bubble right now, and it’s only a matter of time before the bubble bursts.
There are a couple of reasons why the bubble is sure to burst. The first is just that it’s a bubble, and any chart which looks like the one at the top of this post is bound to end in tears at some point. But there’s a deeper reason, too — which is that bitcoins are an uncomfortable combination of commodity and currency. The commodity value of bitcoins is rooted in their currency value, but the more of a commodity they become, the less useful they are as a currency.
Still, it’s worth taking a look behind the bitcoin bubble, because there are fascinating implications for anybody who cares about payments, or currencies, or trust.
First, though, let’s go back to the night of Sunday June 12, 2011. That was the date of the first big bitcoin heist: a theft of such simplicity and audacity that it might well be considered the perfect crime. A man — we know him only as “All In Vain” — went to bed that night with his Windows computer turned on and connected to the internet. On that computer was a wallet containing 25,000 electronic coins. When he woke up on Monday morning, the wallet was still there. But the money was gone.
Those 25,000 coins were, at the time, worth some $500,000; today, they are worth about $3.5 million. If All in Vain had noticed the theft within a couple of minutes of it happening, it’s conceivable that he could have got his money back. But he was asleep — and ten minutes after the theft occurred, it was utterly permanent and irrevocable. The only way All in Vain could get his money back would be if the thief were to simply transfer it back into his wallet.
No one will ever find the person who stole All in Vain’s coins. That’s because the coins were designed, by another pseudonymous internet denizen known only as Satoshi Nakamoto, to be the perfectly anonymous payment mechanism for a digital world. That’s one of the things about bitcoins: once you send them, they’re sent. Similarly, if someone sends you bitcoins, you know for sure that you own them. You don’t need to know or trust the sender — all you need to know is that the coins have arrived in your virtual wallet, ready for saving or spending.
Bitcoins were designed to be – and, in many ways, are – the perfect digital currency: they’re frictionless, anonymous, and cryptographically astonishingly secure. For anybody who’s ever suffered the incompetence of a bank, or bristled at the fees involved in just spending money, either domestically or abroad – that is to say, for all of us – the promise of bitcoin is the holy grail of payments. Especially since, to all intents and purposes, bitcoins are invisible to law enforcement and the taxman.
Those strengths are also weaknesses. No one wants to risk losing millions of dollars worth of currency overnight, just because they were outsmarted by some computer hacker.
Still, for the time being, bitcoin is in many ways the best and cleanest payments mechanism the world has ever seen. So if we’re ever going to create something better, we’re going to have to learn from what bitcoin does right – as well as what it does wrong.
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With money laundering possibilities like this, who needs Cypriot banks?
With money laundering possibilities like this, who needs Cypriot banks?
The attraction of Bitcoins to people who want to hide their money (which includes a lot of REALLY rich people/organizations- drug cartels, corrupt government officials, organized crime, tax evaders, terrorists) does make them rather attractive as a speculative investment, if you don’t mind profiting from dealing with the devil.
“…drug cartels, corrupt government officials, organized crime, tax evaders, terrorists…”
As an alternative, they can make all-cash investments in U.S. residential real estate.
As an alternative, they can make all-cash investments in U.S. residential real estate.
Don’t all cash transfers above $10,000 (or something like that) have to be reported to the IRS?
Even the illegal ones? (I suppose in the case of a home purchase, it is a bit hard to hide, as presumably the county assessor tracks changes of ownership…)
Some pundits managed to miss the connection between the Bitcoin bubble and the Cyprus crisis.
And btw, is anyone as unsurprised as I am to learn that the Cyprus banking panic had a real estate bubble angle?
Peter Cohan, Contributor
4/02/2013 @ 9:21AM |7,080 views
Are Bitcoins Safer Than Cyprus?
Bitcoins — the stateless currency maintained by a network of math-problem-solving PCs — has spiked in value since financial crisis struck Cyprus. But are Bitcoins really worth all that? Or do they just provide an object lesson in how quickly trust in a country’s economic system can ebb and flow?
I first encountered Bitcoins back in June 2011. Back then, there was $130 million worth of this weightless virtual currency and its value had spiked 6,000% in the first six months of the year when each one was worth $30. Since then, the value of the 10,952,975 Bitcoins in circulation has soared to about $1.1 billion and they trade at $100 a piece, according to BusinessWeek.
In 2011, Bitcoins were not very widely accepted. You could use them to buy alpaca socks, organic gardening services, a Bitcoin merit badge from NerdMeritBadge.com, and some technology products. And if Senator Charles Schumer was to be believed, Bitcoins were also a popular way to buy illegal drugs through Silk Road.
On March 20, according to the BBC, a Canadian homeowner, Taylor More, listed his two-bedroom Alberta bungalow for 7,054 Bitcoins — then-worth $56. Heck, you can even use Bitcoins to buy pizza, reports the BBC.
Bitcoins are a peer-to-peer currency named after the file-sharing technology, Bittorrent. Rather than banks and governments issuing Bitcoins, a network of Bitcoin holders’ computers does the heavy lifting. Touted as untraceable, Bitcoins are heaven on earth for libertarians and others who dream of a global economy outside the control of governments.
A mysterious programmer going by “Satoshi Nakamoto” started Bitcoins in 2009 and after he disappeared in 2010, an Amherst, Mass.-based programmer, Gavin Andresen took over the project.
And since crisis erupted in Cyprus, the value of Bitcoins have soared. And why not? The crisis in Cyprus led to a spike in fear about the risk in government-run currencies. As the New York Times reports, the genesis of that fear was Cyprus’s policy of accepting few-questions-asked cash and charging companies an ultra-low 10% tax.
Cash flooded Cyprus from around Europe — a third came from Russian oligarchs. And those deposits turned into loans. According to the Times, a bank would give a a £20,000 loan and a £5,000 credit card to a depositor with a monthly salary of £400. Much of this money went into real estate that soared in price.
And while the 2010 Euro-recession took much of the wind out of Cyprus’s real estate market, it was the purchase of Greek government bonds by Cypriot banks that caused its banking system to collapse.
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Current Account
The Economics blog
Bitcoin is in hyperdeflation
Bubble or not, the underpinnings of Bitcoin pose problems to its use as a popular currency.
By Alex Hern Published 02 April 2013 13:01
Business Insider’s Joe Weisenthal covers the still-soaring price of Bitcoin – which has now broken $100 – and puts an interesting spin on the situation: the Bitcoin economy is now suffering hyperdeflation. He writes:
I’ve written repeatedly that I think the current price of Bitcoin is the result of a volatile bubble – though I’m no more certain than anyone else as to when that bubble will burst – and that explanation is part of the reason why. The faster the Bitcoin price rises, the fewer actual transactions you’ll see being made with it. Insofar as there is a “real” price of the currency, as opposed to the inflated price it’s showing now, that must be based on people actually using Bitcoin, rather than hoarding it. While the currency is in hyperdeflation, that won’t happen (outside of a few crazy people doing things like selling their houses in it).
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How many top U.S. government officials are voluntarily taking a 20% pay cut to match the breach of contract imposed on furloughed federal workers through September?
Who’s Forfeiting Pay Alongside Furloughed Employees?
By Eric Katz
12:56 PM ET
April 3, 2013
Defense Secretary to Take Pay Cut in Solidarity With Furloughed Feds
DHS’ Janet Napolitano will donate 5 percent of her salary to foundations that benefit DHS employees DHS’ Janet Napolitano will donate 5 percent of her salary to foundations that benefit DHS employees AP
A handful of lawmakers and federal executives who are exempt from taking forced unpaid leave due to sequestration have pledged to stand with the downtrodden and the furloughed. The following is a list of people in government whose pay is unaffected by the automatic, across-the-board cuts, but who have said they will dock their pay as federal employees are furloughed. We will update it as more officials join the movement.
EXECUTIVE BRANCH
President Obama: Obama said he will give 5 percent of his salary back to the Treasury to “share in the sacrifice being made by public servants across the federal government that are affected by the sequester,” according to a White House official.
Chuck Hagel, Defense secretary: Hagel will return 5 percent of his salary to the Treasury, his spokesman said.
John Kerry, secretary of State: Kerry will donate 5 percent of his salary to charities benefiting State Department employees.
Janet Napolitano, Homeland Security secretary: The former Arizona governor will donate 5 percent of her salary to foundations that benefit DHS employees, Politico reported.
Shaun Donovan, Housing and Urban Development Department secretary: Donovan will donate 5 percent of his salary to charities in the affordable housing industry. Several additional sequestration-exempt HUD workers will forfeit some pay, The Washington Post reported.
Bob Perciasepe, Environmental Protection Agency acting administrator: Perciasepe has donated four days’ worth of pay to the Federal Employee Education and Assistance Fund.
Eric Holder, attorney general: Holder has said giving back part of his pay is “certainly something that I would consider,” according to Politico.
Arne Duncan, Education secretary: Duncan will consider docking his pay, “but nothing’s been decided,” a spokesman said.
Ashton Carter, deputy secretary of Defense: Carter told a Senate committee he would cut his own salary by 20 percent if his employees face an equivalent pay reduction through furloughs. Pentagon furloughs have since been reduced, however.
LEGISLATIVE BRANCH
Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.: After Carter volunteered to take a salary cut, Graham said, “We should follow your model. We should have our pay docked and the president should have his pay docked.” Graham later introduced a nonbinding budget amendment as part of “vote-a-rama” that would require senators to give 20 percent of their salary to the Treasury or to charity.
Sens. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., and Bill Nelson, D-Fla.: The two senators have introduced legislation to make congressional salaries vulnerable to sequestration cuts. “The federal workforce is looking at furloughs that would result in a sizeable pay cut — and there’s absolutely no reason members of Congress should exempt themselves.”
Sen. Barbara Mikulski, D-Md.: Mikulski took to the Senate floor to call for congressional pay cuts to match federal employee furloughs.
Sen. Mark Begich, D-Alaska: Begich announced in a statement he would give the same number of days’ pay as his most furloughed staffers back to the Treasury.
Rep. Tammy Duckworth, D-Ill.: Duckworth said in a statement she will take an 8.4 percent pay cut to match the reduction in most discretionary programs.
Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton, D-D.C.: The nonvoting representative from Washington, said she will donate a day’s pay for each day federal employees are furloughed — matching the highest number of furlough days at any agency — to the Federal Employee Education and Assistance Fund.
Rep. Patrick Murphy, D-Fla.: “Sequestration’s indiscriminate cuts are causing furloughs and job losses as well as cutting funding to many important programs in our communities, yet the salaries of members of Congress have not been affected,” Murphy said in statement. “That is why I am going to take a portion of my salary each month to support local charities who continue to go above and beyond to provide vital services to those in our community.
Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md.: The ranking member of the House Oversight and Government Reform told Government Executive in light of sequestration he will donate a portion of his salary to scholarship funds at Howard University and Morgan State University.
Rep. Ami Bera, D-Calif.: Bera will give 8.2 percent of his monthly pay to organizations in his home district being impacted by sequestration budget cuts.
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In Focus: Where the Federal Workforce Counts
By Susan Fourney and Kelly Martin
April 2, 2013
As agencies scramble to determine which employees might be subject to furlough and for how long, states are bracing for the economic fallout from sequestration. Government’s budget crunch sometimes is viewed as solely a Washington problem, but its impact also will be felt disproportionately in other parts of the country where the federal workforce is omnipresent.
Among a federal civilian workforce of than 2 million, Washington, D.C., ranks No. 4 with about 165,000 employees, trailing California (242,000), Texas (187,000) and Virginia (171,000), according to data compiled by Janet Kopenhaver, the Washington representative for Federally Employed Women. States with the fewest feds include Delaware (5,300), Vermont (6,500) and New Hampshire (8,000).
Drawing on data from the Office of Personnel Management and the Bureau of Labor Statistics, FEW breaks down the population of federal civilians (where they work) and retirees (where they live) by congressional district and provides the information to lawmakers each year. “These statistics are very important to legislators and their staffs on Capitol Hill so that they will know how many federal workers and retirees are employed and live in their state and district,” Kopenhaver said in a news release. “So the next time lawmakers say that federal workers are overpaid, wasteful and not productive, and that furloughs and/or layoffs should be implemented, let them remember that they are referring to their own constituents and their livelihoods.”
At a 2012 news conference releasing projections that sequestration would cost the nation’s economy 2.14 million jobs, two big city mayors sounded the alarm. Phoenix Mayor Greg Stanton said the cuts “would likely put Arizona in a recession.”
Especially in states with a significant military presence, furloughs and spending cuts loom large. In March, Deputy Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter sent letters to the governors of Alabama, California, Florida, Georgia, Maryland, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia and Washington, warning that spending cuts at military installations could have a ripple effect on local economies.
Don’t believe media: Sequester already causing real pain
4:54 p.m. EDT, April 5, 2013
Regular readers of this column have heard me say it before, but I’ll say it again: I’m often embarrassed by the questions my colleagues ask at White House briefings. This week was no exception.
Among reporters inside the Beltway, the latest narrative, repeated without qualification, is that the Obama administration is guilty of exaggerating the impact of the sequester. After all, those $1 trillion across-the-board cuts, $85 billion of which will happen this fiscal year, kicked in on March 1. They’ve been in place for more than a month now. And the sky hasn’t fallen. Trains are still running on time, Major League Baseball opened the season on schedule, and the lights still come on when you flip the switch. Only White House tours have been canceled. So what’s the big deal?
God forbid reporters pause long enough to do a little independent research before repeating that nonsense. If they did, they wouldn’t join the chorus. That narrative is dead wrong. For two reasons. First, nobody ever said the sequester axe would fall immediately, or all at one time. It takes a long time to bring a battleship to a dead stop. It takes a long time to shut down, or even slow down a government agency.
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I would like to ask how many Joe6pack out there get it as to what is happening in our Country economically speaking. When I do my own survey I come up close to perhaps 50 percent or lower. Those people that do think something is different in this recession blame political parties. The people that have jobs and are not feeling the pain have only a passing concern. As long as their bills are getting it is all goooood.
1) “Every asset market is artificially priced today - Mohamed El-Erian, at 3:01 minutes, in the video: http://www.bloomberg.com/video/el-erian-fed-is-necessary-but-not-sufficient-ANKUPYaRTLWQ~k5UyImLZQ.html
2) “One thing that makes very hard to forecast home prices right now is that we’re living in a totally artificial real estate economy. We have the Fed with QE 3, buying billions of mortgages, mortgage securities… Fannie and Freddie and FHA are supporting most new mortgages” - Robert Shiller, 0:39 seconds: http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000156907
3) Walter Malony, spokesman for the NAR, came on DC news radio a week or two ago to say that the housing market has recovered and there is “no artificial support.”
The word I keep hearing over and over again is “artificial.”
So. Which is it? And if the real estate and asset markets are in fact artificial, so what? What are the intended and unintended consequences?
When you pump seven trillion fake dollars into the markets, the markets will go up. Allegedly.
But a cruddy 3/2 house is still a cruddy 3/2 house no matter how you price it. And an ounce of gold is still an ounce of gold. It’s really just a matter of how those seven trillion fake dollars get distributed.
Are those seven trillion dollars more or less “fake” than Bitcoinage?
And which form of currency is more likely to lose value in the next two decades?
Why use Bitcoins?
Bitcoins offer many advantages over traditional currencies.
For starters, unlike traditional currencies Bitcoin is “decentralized” and peer-to-peer, making it a currency without borders. Bitcoins can’t be frozen and are not tied to any one region or government as traditional currencies often are. Bitcoin is to currency as the Internet is to information. It’s world wide, everyone has equal access, and Bitcoin promotes fair trade. Bitcoin is the first of its kind in that its value comes from the design and usage, not because a government vouches for it.
Well, given that bitcoin is basically a medium for transacting illegal activities, and the USG among others have all-but-announced they will be monitoring if not tracking it for tax purposes, and it’s not really useful unless it can be conveniently converted into something besides virtual assets, my guess is that it will stay underground in the realm of online gaming and drug sales (and maybe small time money laundering) until it goes the way of private-mint coinage, blue chip stamps, and Disneyland ticket books.
This country couldn’t even convert to metric. Wait until they see what’s required to set up and track a bitcoin account.
What is Bitcoin?
Bitcoin is the world’s first digital like-cash currency.
Bitcoins are exchanged peer-to-peer just like cash, making it the Internets trusted currency.
Has anyone ever had moose lasagna?
Posted: 8:19 a.m. Saturday, April 6, 2013
Pork found in Ikea’s moose lasagna
The Associated Press
STOCKHOLM —
Ikea says it has withdrawn 17,000 portions of moose lasagna from its home furnishings stores in Europe after traces of pork were found in a batch tested in Belgium.
Ikea spokeswoman Tina Kardum said the product had only been on sale for a month when it was pulled off the shelves on March 22.
The company didn’t announce the withdrawal publicly until Swedish newspaper Svenska Dagbladet wrote about it Saturday.
Kardum said the company found out Friday that a follow-up test in Belgium confirmed the lasagna contained 1.6 percent pork. She said: “We have more information now. That’s why we choose to inform now.”
Ikea has previously recalled meatballs and other meat products sold in its cafeterias and frozen foods sections after tests showed they contained traces of horsemeat.
Copyright The Associated Press
I would like to ask HBB if they are seeing raises (or saw raises) this year? Personally I got a 1.5% raise (less than the official CPI) but hey something is better than nothing.
I am seeing the same across different industries from talking to people working in those industries (oil & gas, EPC, mfg etc.). Note that these are highly technical jobs and pay a decent salary.