April 8, 2013

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Comment by hazard
2013-04-08 04:21:33

April 07, 2013

Biden Wants To ‘Create A New World Order’

Biden Wants To ‘Create A New World Order’ | Joe Biden | Fox Nation
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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-04-08 06:58:36

I, for one, won’t be part of it. I will ignore world government.

Comment by Resistor
2013-04-08 07:08:30

Maybe you can program their guided missiles?

Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 07:12:47

Maybe you can program their guided missiles?

Perfect.

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Comment by inchbyinch
2013-04-08 17:27:24

Joe,
Every interesting insights from the ground about lobbyists. So, in essence you’re stating the lobbyist (deep pockets) distort the rental rates. Reminds me of deep pockets and SFHs.

What I’ve learned in life snowgirl, is that big money always wins. If Joe wasn’t working for his specialty law firm, someone else would. Joe has no effect on the corruption in DC. He is just doing a job and getting paid well. Good for him.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-04-08 19:41:39

I dont see any of you turds protesting the collectist establishment. If I don’t then who will? Your ilk is what promises me MORE money and you are too retarded to even get it.

 
 
Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 07:33:55

Underrated comment.

Bill will use his security clearance to obtain much higher wages than he could get in the non-gov’t world… yet he will ignore government.

To be fair, I do the same thing as Bill, I make 2x what I’d make working as a private attorney in Baltimore, because I commute to DC and work at a big firm that helps private industry cozy up to Big Gov. It’s a sickening situation if you stop and think about it.

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Comment by inchbyinch
2013-04-08 07:55:57

joe
I think highly of you for stating the truth. Somebody will get paid $$$$ to do so, and it might as well be you. It’s not going to change, that’s a dream.

At a commercial real estate conference, a keynote speaker said that if the lobbyist left DC, commercial would collapse there.

 
Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 08:08:18

Have you seen the pictures I’ve posted on this blog? DC construction is crazy. Lots of class A office space, luxury rentals, and condoze in development. Most look like they’ll be completing in the next year or so.

Lobbying takes up the lower floors of our building (I’m 1 block south of K street), if they weren’t here, the rates would be much lower for everyone else.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-04-08 09:01:43

Somebody will get paid $$$$ to do so, and it might as well be you.

Uh … no.

 
Comment by snowgirl
2013-04-08 09:47:56

I know several people who have cut their income in 1/2 specifically to escape being a part of it. I have a relative that specifically stated that “he was not one of them” and lead a very different life than his relatives. I wonder if the ones who put him through all those expensive prep schools saw that one coming.

Somebody will get paid $$$$ to do so, and it might as well be you. It’s not going to change…

Isn’t this the same sorry excuse utilized by the NAR, banks/lenders engaged in usury and skim schemes, MIC spending of public funds on pet projects, Congressional and other public people folding to lobbyists, mortgage brokers, the subjegated press, etc, etc, etc?

I’m not saying it wouldn’t be the hardest thing you’ve ever done but please don’t act like people don’t make that same choice every day despite that difficulty.

 
Comment by sfhomowner
2013-04-08 09:48:59

Lots of class A office space, luxury rentals, and condoze in development.

Did a 30 mile bike ride through San Francisco yesterday. There are cranes everywhere. An entire new neighborhood is going up before our very eyes - near the SF Giant’s ball park.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-04-08 10:01:45

And we’re going to keep adding inventory until resale prices are driven in the gutter.

 
Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 10:10:02

Yes, I see the same thing in DC and Baltimore. Entire new neighborhoods out of what used to be sleepy unremarkable corridors.

My wife and I took a walk around the harbor yesterday, a meandering 5 mile stroll. New fancy frozen yogurt places, Powerplant Live (club area) unreognizable from 5 years ago, new buildings with new logos (Honeywell, Morgan Stanley, Johns Hopkins, Transamerica, T Rowe Price, Constellation).

About the only thing that stays the same is government cheese. One of the buildings we walked by is the Candler Building, which was the first headquarters of the Social Security Administration back when it was founded. The building is large, but now SSA has its own campus, it’s way too big for 1 building. (Social Security Headquarters for the U.S. is now in North Baltimore, near the city/county line.)

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 11:44:24

And we’re going to keep adding inventory until resale prices are driven in the gutter.

I never realized what brave and selfless heroes you builders- and your compatriots, the realtors- are.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-04-08 12:01:45

I never realized that everyone here concurs that you’re a liar…. until today.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 12:16:07

I never realized that everyone here concurs that you’re a liar…. until today.

All of your multiple personalities, and the voices in your head, are in agreement?

Then it must be wrong.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-04-08 12:36:35

EVERYONE.

 
Comment by rms
2013-04-08 17:33:40

“An entire new neighborhood is going up before our very eyes - near the SF Giant’s ball park.”

Bayview used to be low-rent; no mo!

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-04-08 22:42:26

EVERYONE.

False.

Not me.

alpha and I definitely disagree on some subjects—ok, many subject—but I have never thought that he was a liar.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-04-08 07:45:44

Maybe you can program their guided missiles?

A paycheck is a paycheck, even if it’s signed by a despot. RIght?

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Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 07:49:52

You misunderstood; BiLA can just “ignore” the despot after programming his drones/missiles and leaving for the day. He zaps himself with one of those special pens from “Men in Black” and goes back to triple-bagging his fiat currency, stuffing it in coffee cans, and burying it in remote locations.

 
Comment by Steve J
2013-04-08 12:09:16

Just following orders.

 
 
Comment by it's hard out here for a pimp
2013-04-08 08:01:08

Hate the game, not the player.

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Comment by it's hard out here for a pimp
2013-04-08 08:07:16

Bill’s programming must not be that good.

NATO bombing kills 10 children in Afghani

Or, Is the dear leader gunning for a second nobel peace prize?

 
Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 08:11:00

“Hate the game not the player”

Agree total, hence my “Mittens 2.0″ philosophy.

 
Comment by albuquerquedan
2013-04-08 08:11:41

Or cowards hiding behind children?

 
Comment by it's hard out here for a pimp
2013-04-08 08:26:05

Or cowards hiding behind children?

I never understood this. What are they to do? Beat their hairy chests in an open ground and be an easy taeget for the drones or b-2’s?

Who’s the pussy here? The guy who at least has the courage to lift arms or rocks against invaders? Or, the invaders who are armed to teeth, wear protective gear head to toe, use drones and arial bombings that mostly kill innocents and children?

I will ask you again, who’s the pussy?

 
Comment by albuquerquedan
2013-04-08 08:43:20

When you surround a meeting of high level officials with children it is a deliberate policy to use children as human shields. Do you think we would have allowed Hitler to escape a bombing due to children being around him in WWII? As far as pussy, as General Patton said the purpose of war is not to die for your country but to make the other SOB die for his. I think there are problems with our drone strategy such as too much collateral damage for low level targets but this last strike seems to have been targeted at high level. Of course, as I said before I think a snatch and grab strategy is better than an excessive drone strategy.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2013-04-08 11:55:54

If we had the guts to fight a religious jihad they only things that would get bombed are the mosques and its leaders….all else would be spared.

use drones and arial bombings that mostly kill innocents and children?

 
Comment by Steve J
2013-04-08 12:18:30

Wasn’t Timothy McViegh a Christian?

Who is gunning down prosecutors in Texas? Must be Muslims.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 12:18:53

they only things that would get bombed are the mosques and its leaders….

What if they put kids in the mosques and around their leaders?

 
Comment by albuquerquedan
2013-04-08 14:24:39

Who is gunning down prosecutors in Texas? Must be Muslims.

Seriously, I would say Aryan brotherhood carrying out hits for the Mexican mafia and the drug cartels.

 
 
 
 
Comment by MightyMike
2013-04-08 12:05:39

Biden Wants To ‘Create A New World Order’

Did anybody watch the little two minute video? Biden said nothing at all interesting.

Comment by Steve J
2013-04-08 12:19:44

Biden never says anything interesting in a political sense.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 12:26:35

Biden said nothing at all interesting

Oho! He said ‘new world order’! That’s one of the right wing dog whistles. Patriots everywhere are ’shakin their heads’ and loading their AR-15s.

This may be Go Time!

 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-04-08 04:52:31

What’s really going on in California

California imposed a new law on banks innocuously called “Homeowners Bill of Rights” which forces banks to switch over to a judicial foreclosure process, which they can opt to do on their own, but takes a year or more to renegotiate contracts and compensation structures for the foreclosure law firms who do all the leg work for the banks. And while those changes are being made… it makes it appear that foreclosures have slowed down dramatically in the state.

The reality?

Defaults (undeclared) are spiraling upward that yet have to pass through the foreclosure pipeline.

The truth?

California is still the highest foreclosure state in sheer volume and percentage.

The low-down?

Resale housing is still massively overpriced as a result of unprecedented interference by individual states and the federal government. The market distortions will be removed and the down draft will continue allowing the market to correct.

With millions of excess empty houses and housing demand at 17 year lows, housing prices have a long way to fall. A very long way to fall.

 
Comment by goon squad
2013-04-08 05:00:38
Comment by oxide
2013-04-08 07:11:02

The only billboards I see are for new housing developments, generally in the far-out burbs.* The signs appear to be variations of the usual “Hoity-Toity Name Luxury Townhomes From The Low $300’s,” but I can’t read them well when I’m driving by. I assume the signs are there not for the drivers, but for the wives in the passenger seat.

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*or the close-in stix. Take your pick.

Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 07:42:39

Yes, lots of Ryan homes and Ryland homes (I believe the owners are related, BTW) in weird places like Elkridge/Savage off of Route 1 about half way between Balt and Wash. Which is an awful place because, hello, it’s right in the flight path of BWI and is a major traffic corridor.

The Ryan-built development (called O’Donnell Squqre) down the street from me (built on a former warehouse site) has raised its prices from 190k starting price to 230k starting price in the past 6 months. It’s sickening.

It’s right next door to another Ryan development, Athena Square, that took 3 years to sell out and had to reduce prices by 50-70k in the process. (Athena Square are very large townhouses, 4 stories on top of a ground floor garage, O’Donnell Square was revised and made into 3 story when the property bubble crashed. O’Donnell Square also doesn’t have roof decks, only balcony decks on the top floor.) (Athena Square is also very ugly, they tried to include “greek looking” elements because it’s in Greektown, but the columns and molding are made out of heavy plastic & look terrible.)

Comment by polly
2013-04-08 09:14:52

I got a mailing last week for townhomes somewhere out it fairly far away Rockville. Starting in the high 400’s. Developer’s name was recognizable but I don’t remember which one it was.

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Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 10:13:32

I don’t understand why people pay 400k (or even 300k) to live in a townhouse in some terrible section of a mediocre suburb. Is it because people are still brainwashed that “good schools” are “worth it”? (IMO, school performance is largely a function of parental values and involvement, I would never pay inflated prices for “Montgomery County schools”. Are they great? Or is it the fact the kids are largely from high performing SES backgrounds? I’d bet the latter.

 
Comment by polly
2013-04-08 10:29:54

When you pay for a school system you aren’t just paying for teachers and facilities. You are paying to send your kids to schools where the parents of the other students share your values. If everyone’s parents expect them to go to college, it is easier to impose on your own child a need to work hard in school to go to collge. The parents being the primary issue works very well when the kids are young. Once they grow up a bit, picking a school and/or school system is picking the peers who provide the peer pressure.

For example, my home town had great schools. I grew up in the same neighborhood as the few hoodlums we had. Not a big deal in elementary school. By the time I was in 5th grade, the schools were centralized and most of my classmates were from the other side of town and their parents were lawyers and doctors and engineers.

Is that the only way to work it? No, it isn’t. But one way make the parents’ job a little easier is to “free ride” on the culture of the school.

 
Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 10:34:33

I don’t disagree, polly, I’m just pointing out that spending twice as much money on a house so your kid can go to a MoCo school seems like a bad trade off to me. Just my opinion, of course.

I can’t think of any other reason people would pay 400k to live in a townhouse in Rockville. Probably not a nice area of Rockville, either. As I’ve said, when they build these around me, they’re usually on a formerly industrial area with major traffic once you leave the subdivision. They almost always have HOA as well.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-04-08 13:10:38

What do private schools cost in the area (a proxy for the value of a “better” education)? Therein lies part of the answer.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by hazard
2013-04-08 05:04:49

This must be a fun party.

Obama, Clinton staying mum on Bilderberg globalist confab

Feinstein claims pair were meeting at her home, campaign declines to ‘get into all the details’

Published: 06/07/2008 at 12:22 AM

WASHINGTON – Sen. Barack Obama ditched his unsuspecting press entourage yesterday to attend a secretive meeting with Sen. Hillary Clinton.

But where did that meeting take place? Was it at the secretive Bilderberg conference in Chantilly,
Va.? So far, neither campaign is talking.

The 56th Bilderberg meeting is still going on this weekend at the Westfields Marriott, according to various sources. But attendance is a well-guarded secret – along with the agenda, which tends toward the promotion of globalist ideas.

Obama’s spokesman Robert Gibbs confirmed Clinton and Obama met but declined to inform the press of the location of the meeting. However, it was reportedly not held at Clinton’s Washington home. Hillary’s spokesman also declined to give the location of the rendezvous.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., told Fox News the two candidates met at her house in Washington. Feinstein said she was working upstairs while Clinton and Obama sat by her fireplace.

Asked if Obama attended more than one meeting last night, Gibbs declined to “get into all the details.”

“Reporters traveling with Obama sensed something might be happening between the pair when they arrived at Dulles International Airport after an event in Northern Virginia and Obama was not aboard the airplane,” the Associated Press reported.

Members of the press were outraged over the way Obama’s campaign organizers covered up the meeting. Reporters were led to believe they would be getting on a plane back to Obama’s campaign headquarters in Chicago with the senator. But while they were in the airport, the presidential candidate remained in the area for a secret meeting.

Dulles is just three miles from the Westfields Marriott Hotel in Chantilly, where Henry Kissinger and David Rockefeller, among other globalists, are gathered for the annual Bilderberg Group conference.

“Asked at the time about the Illinois senator’s whereabouts, Gibbs smiled and declined to comment,” the AP report continued.

Bilderberg is a highly-secretive meeting where the most influential men and women of North America and Western Europe meet ostensibly to discuss policy. But the group has spent years promoting a globalist agenda, according to reports from journalists who have penetrated the meeting.

The Bilderberg Group made a press release available explaining the agenda for the meeting.

“The conference will deal mainly with a nuclear free world, cyber terrorism, Africa, Russia, finance, protectionism, U.S.-European Union relations, Afghanistan and Pakistan, Islam and Iran. Approximately 140 participants will attend, of whom about two-thirds come from Europe and the balance from North America,” the release stated. “About one-third is from government and politics, and two-thirds are from finance, industry, labor, education and communications. The meeting is private in order to encourage frank and open discussion.”

Additionally, a list of the conference’s attendees was released and included James A. Johnson, who was named this week to the three-person team vetting possible running mates for Obama. Rampant speculation in the blogosphere says the Obama-Clinton meeting last night was held to arrange the New York senator as Obama’s vice-presidential candidate.

Attendees at the Bilderberg conference included Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, former Senate majority leader Tom Daschle and Ben Bernanke, the chairman of the board of governors for the Federal Reserve.

Hillary Clinton is no stranger to Bilderberg. Bill Clinton attended the 1991 meeting in Germany shortly before he was elected president. According to reports, he attended again in 1999 when the meeting was held in Sintra, Portugal, and Hillary herself may have attended the 2006 meeting in Ottawa, Canada.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 06:16:50

Obama, Clinton staying mum on Bilderberg globalist confab

Probably sold them our birth certificate loans.

Comment by polly
2013-04-08 09:16:17

In June of 2008!

 
 
Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 07:45:36

The U.S. political leadership has a very long history of B-berg involvement. Prescott Bush (who mercifully didn’t live long enough to see his grandkids George & Jeb become Florida/Texas proles) was one of the original Bilderberg people.

Comment by albuquerquedan
2013-04-08 07:58:02

W did a very good job of pushing the Bilderberg agenda while pretending to be a conservative.

Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 08:13:04

I don’t give W the credit, I give the activists and their sheep the credit. Big money, big time lobbyists, and many many sheeple. W was merely a person playing a role.

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Comment by MightyMike
2013-04-08 12:11:18

That’s why they loved Reagan so much. As a professional actor, he was the best when it came to looking into the camera and reading the script that was handed to him.

 
Comment by albuquerquedan
2013-04-08 14:06:58

He was never part of Bilderberg or the CFR. The republican establishment fought him all the way. I even wonder why he has been the last president to be shot. People think you need an elaborate conspiracy to get someone killed. They create elaborate conspiracies for the killing of Martin Luther King and John and Robert. However, all you need to do to get some one killed is cutback on his or her security. There are plenty of nuts out there targeting anyone well known. Crimes of omission are virtually fool proof.

Both Thatcher and Reagan were nationalists. Their agendas were not in the interests of the globalists. They want to weaken national loyalty not strengthen it.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by hazard
2013-04-08 05:25:51

I wonder if any of these people can time any market?

Bilderberg 2012: Global Leaders Gather For Shadowy Conference At Virginia Hotel (UPDATED)

Posted: 05/31/2012 1:01 pm Updated: 06/01/2012 12:03 pm

U.S. Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) is on the guest list for this year’s annual Bilderberg conference being held near Dulles International Airport.

The meeting brings together “broad cross-section of leading citizens” for “nearly three days of informal and off-the-record discussion about topics of current concern especially in the fields of foreign affairs and the international economy” according to the Bilderberg website. The first meeting was held in 1954, at the Hotel de Bilderberg in the Netherlands.

British actor Charlie Skelton, who has reported on Bilderberg for the Guardian for a few years, suggests another big topic likely to come up:

Aside from the US presidency, the big debate of Bilderberg 2012 is likely to be: what in Hades do we do about Greece? The Eurozone is Bilderberg’s biggest project, but it’s been looking distinctly shaky of late. What’s to be done?

Frequent attendees, including Henry A. Kissinger and David Rockefeller, are expected again. A copy of last year’s guest list, leaked to a journalist covering the conference, offers a window into just how much influence Bilderberg guests wield.

Google Chairman Eric Schmidt, World Bank President Robert B. Zoellick, European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet, Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands and Greek Minister of Finance George Papaconstantinou were reportedly among those in attendance at the 2011 meeting in Switzerland.

Global business titans, government officials and political figures rounded out the guest list of more than 100, though skeptics suspect dozens of names, especially of high-profile individuals, are kept off of it.

Meeting organizers maintain a publicly available list of Bilderberg Steering Committee members — included among them are a Belgian viscount and politician, the chairman of Goldman Sachs, the president of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and some conservative think tank fellows. David Rockefeller is listed as the only member of the Member Advisory Group.

UPDATED, 11:24 a.m.: The meeting’s gotten less secretive. The Bilderberg website now lists the 2012 Bilderberg Meeting participants. Among them are Keith B. Alexander from the National Security Agency, H.R.H. Prince Philippe of Belgium, Harvard professor Niall Ferguson, China’s Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs Ying Fu, Russian chess grandmaster and activist Garry Kasparov, Massachusetts Senator John Kerry, President of the Environmental Defense Fund Fred Krupp and entrepreneur Peter Thiel. See the whole list here.

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Comment by jose canusi
2013-04-08 06:23:13

Did any of them drop their human form and shapeshift back into reptilians?

Comment by Northeastener
2013-04-08 08:42:43

V!

Comment by hazard
2013-04-08 11:46:33

NEW WORLD ORDER?

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Bilderberg Meetings
Chantilly, Virginia, USA, 31 May-3 June 2012

On The Final List of Participants

FRA Castries, Henri de Chairman and CEO, AXA Group

DEU Ackermann, Josef Chairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank AG

GBR Agius, Marcus Chairman, Barclays plc

CAN Carney, Mark J. Governor, Bank of Canada

AUT Cernko, Willibald CEO, UniCredit Bank Austria AG

DNK Christiansen, Jeppe CEO, Maj Invest

RUS Chubais, Anatoly B. CEO, OJSC RUSNANO

CAN Clark, W. Edmund Group President and CEO, TD Bank Group

GBR Dudley, Robert Group Chief Executive, BP plc

DEU Enders, Thomas CEO, Airbus

USA Evans, J. Michael Vice Chairman, Global Head of Growth Markets, Goldman Sachs & Co.

GBR Flint, Douglas J. Group Chairman, HSBC Holdings plc

CHN Huang, Yiping Professor of Economics, China Center for Economic Research, Peking University

USA Jacobs, Kenneth M. Chairman and CEO, Lazard

USA Karsner, Alexander Executive Chairman, Manifest Energy, Inc

USA Kissinger, Henry A. Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.

USA Kleinfeld, Klaus Chairman and CEO, Alcoa

USA Krupp, Fred President, Environmental Defense Fund

DEU Löscher, Peter President and CEO, Siemens AG

GBR Mandelson, Peter Member, House of Lords; Chairman, Global Counsel

CAN McKenna, Frank Deputy Chair, TD Bank Group

ESP Nin Génova, Juan María Deputy Chairman and CEO, Caixabank

FIN Ollila, Jorma Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell, plc

GRC Papalexopoulos, Dimitri Managing Director, Titan Cement Co.

GBR Voser, Peter CEO, Royal Dutch Shell plc

INT Zoellick, Robert B. President, The World Bank Group

USA Kerry, John Senator for Massachusetts

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Comment by hazard
2013-04-08 10:52:53

Published: 06/07/2008 at 12:22 AM

“Obama, Clinton staying mum on Bilderberg globalist confab”

“Feinstein claims pair were meeting at her home, campaign declines to ‘get into all the details’

Posted: 05/31/2012

“U.S. Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) is on the guest list for this year’s annual Bilderberg conference”

I guess this is where a Secretary of State gets hired and marching orders.

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2013-04-08 06:02:07

Good morning Pimp, my pooky-poo! :grin:

I don’t see a trademark post from you yet but I’m sure there’s one waiting somewhere.

(p.s. when is demand going to shift from “17-year lows” to “18-year lows”? Surely it’s been a year by now?)

Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 06:07:54

See below. I popped a couple Molly last night and neglected my duties to preach the Gospel of RAL (via cut & paste of His message) on the train this morning.

 
Comment by MiddleCoaster
2013-04-08 13:02:54

He never answers questions. Never.

Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-04-09 04:47:19

You never tell the truth. Ever.

Why is that?

Comment by MiddleCoaster
2013-04-09 07:47:32

You evidently don’t know what truth is, Pimpster. Or perhaps that word does not mean what you think it means. ;)

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-04-09 08:06:56

Do I detect an up-tick in the Pimpster Chain-jerking Index?

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-04-09 10:26:06

Do I detect two liars in the Blog Knitting Club?

Everyone else does.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by azdude
2013-04-08 06:02:12

how did the housing market turn into a casino?

Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 06:13:44

It’s a long story, dating (rather directly) back until the early 1900s or back to the Pleistocene Era (indirectly, because humans haven’t evolved *that* much). How long do you have?

Here’s the short version: Among the chief talents of a .1% is a predatory instinct. And to the extent a .1%er can convince a rank and file working person that they have a common interest, the resulting policies and beliefs will become deeply rooted insociety. This goes beyond housing… look at all those shrieking morons who make their money from W-2 jobs who support “no new taxes” and “no tax increases”, which chiefly supports people with assets, not income. Here, with “affordable housing” and government intervention, what we get is more access to credit (rather minor “benefit” to working people, if you want to call it that) and strong support of asset prices and assumption of risk by GSEs and the gov’t itself (huge payoff to asset owners, lawyers, bankers, .1%ers).

Anyone else have a short version?

Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 06:53:38

Anyone else have a short version?

People like easy money.

 
Comment by Resistor
2013-04-08 07:10:54

“Anyone else have a short version?”

Condos are great places to have sex?

 
Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 08:25:21

What I’m trying to say is, humans have always scammed each other, ever since 5000 yrs ago when then the Earth was new and Melquisedec was riding around on a Brontasaurus.

Comment by Resistor
2013-04-08 09:34:10

“Melquisedec was riding around on a Brontasaurus.”

Details, I need details!

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Comment by albuquerquedan
2013-04-08 09:52:19

Joe, why would a Greek boy use the Spanish form of Melchizedek?

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Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 10:25:09

Because I googled it after one a partner used it to illustrate a point about arguments needing to be rooted in some precedent. I had no idea who Melquiwhatever was, so I had to look it up. Apparently he was some guy in the Bible who had no ancestors and it wasnt’ clear where he was from.

I’m only half Greek and don’t consider myself Greek at all. I also look a lot more like my dad (pretty darn white, blue eyes). Come to the next DC meet up, whenever it happens, I’ll buy you a beer.

 
 
 
Comment by snowgirl
2013-04-08 10:02:37

All asset markets are open to manipulation.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2013-04-08 06:31:06

Bigger and bigger government

More and more government programs to “help” people

Cheaper and cheaper money

Government taking all the risks

Banks taking all the profit

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Want to fix housing and not make it a casino anymore?

Get government COMPLETELY out of the housing market. Banks would have to actually EAT their bad loans or sell them for substantial discounts.

But then government could not buy votes anymore. And it is all about giving the free cheese to the right segment of the population and the next election cycle.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2013-04-08 06:52:07

How?

See the 1st and 2nd Bank of the United States.

It’s an old, old, game.

Comment by snowgirl
2013-04-08 10:06:46

Perhaps you posted this movie I found on a different website. (You can often hear the echoes of people’s phrases and author’s thought processes across the blogosphere.)

All Wars are Banker’s Wars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfEBupAeo4

If anyone has the time to watch and comment I’d be interested in people’s take on this. (43+ minutes)

 
 
 
Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 06:04:46

If you bought a house since 1998 you are going to lose ALOT [sic] of money. At least 65% in nominal terms.

Housing is a loss, always.

And Realtors (TM) are liars.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 06:27:12

Everyone who has ever bought a house has gone bankrupt and committed suicide.

Comment by In Colorado
2013-04-08 06:33:59

After his dog died, his wife left him and his truck got repo’d

Comment by ecofeco
2013-04-08 06:58:29

…and got laid off from the factory.

In the rain.

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Comment by HBB_Rocks
2013-04-08 07:45:26

Pretty soon my life got sadder than any country song.

So, I gathered up my savvy
Bought myself a business suit
I headed up to New York City
Where a man can make some loot
I got hired Monday morning
Downsized that afternoon
Overcome with grief that evening
Now I’m crazy as a loon

–John Prine

 
 
Comment by albuquerquedan
2013-04-08 07:04:08

Good country song in the making Colorado. I love Americana like Robert Earl Keene’s music. Not the stuff you hear and see on GAC.

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Comment by albuquerquedan
2013-04-08 07:28:09

Actually Keene and Roger Creager were in Flagstaff last week. I attended the Roger Creager concert.

So question for the board do we need to put the recovery on a milk carton? It seems to me that the strong dollar has killed the manufacturing resurgence and will soon impact the foreign buying of houses. Of course, it is really not a strong dollar we have but the weakening of the other fiat currencies.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2013-04-08 07:41:05
 
 
Comment by sfhomowner
2013-04-08 09:51:59

What happens when you play a country song backwards?

You get your house back, your car back, your woman back, and you get your whole damn life back.

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Comment by albuquerquedan
2013-04-08 09:53:23

I think it is the truck back, certainly it is not the Prius.

 
Comment by tresho
2013-04-08 13:13:42

You get your house back, your car back, your woman back, and you get your whole damn life back.
And they let your momma outa prison.

 
Comment by albuquerquedan
2013-04-08 14:09:39

Then she gets hit by a train.

 
Comment by Dale
2013-04-08 16:40:42

Channeling David Allan Coe….

 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2013-04-08 16:55:00

Exactly.

 
 
 
Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 06:54:28

That’s not in the spreadsheet, my friend. Stick to the script.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 07:10:34

That’s not in the spreadsheet, my friend

Prove. It.

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Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 07:36:14

Just download the RAL app on Google Store, the basic version is free, the ad free version is $1/week.

(I’m not sure if there is an iTunes app yet. RAL and I roll with Samsung/Android platform.)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-04-08 06:26:58

“The Coming Housing Collapse: The Fed, Instead Of Lehman, Owns The Mortgage Market”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2013/03/05/peter-schiff-and-the-coming-housing-collapse-the-fed-instead-of-lehman-owns-the-mortgage-market/

There are many reasons NOT to buy a house right now.

1) Prices are massively inflated
2) Rental rates are half the cost of buying at current inflated prices
3) The cost of new housing is a fraction of resale housing in $/square foot.
4) $/square foot prices are falling

…. and most importantly… You’re going to lose alot of money if you buy a house now. ALOT of money.

Comment by 2banana
2013-04-08 06:33:02

But I need to get on the property ladder…

Suzanne told me so.

 
Comment by GeorgeSalt
2013-04-08 06:48:54

Not only that: there will be a great earthquake; and the sun will become black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon will become as blood; the stars of the heavens will fall unto the earth; the heavens will depart as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island will move out of their places!

For the great day of wrath will come; and who shall be able to stand?

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-04-08 06:52:55

Falling housing prices to dramatically lower and more affordable levels is the end of the world for you I see.

 
Comment by oxide
2013-04-08 07:06:12

Still wondering if there will be a May meetup in the DC area.

George, you mentioned “recently driving around NoVa.” Are you in the area?

Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 08:14:23

I’m down for this whenever it happens. If we want to do it where RE is “booming”, I suggest Busboys & Poets followed by a walking tour of the property boom.

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Comment by ahansen
2013-04-08 10:36:36

NAR Midyear Legislative meeting in DC, May 13-18

http://www.realtor.org/midyear.nsf/

 
 
 
Comment by jose canusi
2013-04-08 07:13:57

If they keep fracking, it will happing sooner than you think.

Comment by jose canusi
2013-04-08 07:35:29

happing=happen sheesh more cawfeeeee!

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Comment by oxide
2013-04-08 07:16:40

“For the great day of wrath will come; and who shall be able to stand?”

The 0.01%, silly goose. :roll: Or at least that’s the plan.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-08 07:28:56

I’ve long maintained that there will be a large California earthquake before this housing bubble finishes correcting — just like the last time.

 
Comment by polly
2013-04-08 09:20:18

Well, that is going to put a damper on the Flower Mart at the National Cathedral in May. Do you have a time frame?

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-08 07:15:39

Now that the Fed bought the mortgage market from Megabank, Inc with its $40 bn in monthly MBS purchases, why would they ever let it collapse?

Or is the argument that, try as they might, they won’t be able to avoid the collapse?

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-08 07:48:25

My counterargument to Schiff:

The Fed’s purchase of billions and billions of MBS with newly-created fiat currency takes them off the market at a Fed-determined price and buries them on the Fed’s balance sheet.

Once buried, why would the Fed ever want to or have to to dig them up again?

Yellen: Fed Should Focus On Jobs, Even If Inflation Edges Past Target

Reuters | Posted: 04/04/2013 5:24 pm EDT
By Pedro Nicolaci da Costa

WASHINGTON, April 4 (Reuters) - The Federal Reserve should focus its energies on bringing down an elevated U.S. unemployment rate even if inflation “slightly” exceeds the central bank’s target, Fed Vice Chair Janet Yellen said on Thursday.

Yellen, who is seen as a potential successor to Chairman Ben Bernanke, says she looks forward to the day when policymakers can abandon unconventional tools like asset purchases and return to the conventional business of lowering and raising interest rates, currently set at effectively zero.

But she made that clear that time is not near, saying eventual “normalization” of policy by the Federal Open Market Committee is still far in the future.

“Progress on reducing unemployment should take center stage for the FOMC, even if maintaining that progress might result in inflation slightly and temporarily exceeding 2 percent,” Yellen told a meeting sponsored by the Society of American Business Writers and Editors.

Yellen said she favored adjusting the pace of Fed bond purchases, currently running at $85 billion a month, in response to changes in economic conditions.

Yellen said an eventual end to the central bank’s bond-buying stimulus will not mean interest rate increases are imminent, stressing the weak nature of the recent economic recovery.

“Adjusting the pace of asset purchases in response to the evolution of the outlook for the labor market will provide the public with information regarding the committee’s intentions and should reduce the risk of misunderstanding and market disruption as the conclusion of the program draws closer,” she said.

In a speech that stressed the benefits of clear communication, Yellen documented a shift in monetary policy that has moved from a highly secretive approach to one where openness and dissent is welcomed.

“I hope and trust that the days of ‘never explain, never excuse’ are gone for good, and that the Federal Reserve continues to reap the benefits of clearly explaining its actions to the public,” she said. (Editing by Leslie Adler)

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-08 07:23:22

Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke endured some hostile questioning in Congress last week. At one point, responding to a question about QE by Republican Congressman Lynn Westmoreland, Bernanke was explaining “[quantitative easing] doesn’t involve any new spending or revenue,” when he was cut off by Westmoreland, who said “oh, I got you, just money printing, right?” The Fed Chairman’s demeanor froze for a second, after which he continued “it’s acquiring securities in order to reduce interest rates and ease financial conditions in the economy,” tacitly accepting the “money printing” comment.

My impression, based on observation, not any official explanation from the Fed, is that so long as the dollar remains stable, their “money printing” (aka seigniorage creation) activities are considered defensible.

Unless I missed it, they are utterly silent on the wealth redistribution which have resulted from their monetary policy.

Comment by albuquerquedan
2013-04-08 07:38:47

Actually, QE does generate revenue in an indirect way. When the Fed buys bonds it gets interest on those bonds. After paying for the expenses of the Fed this money is paid to the treasury. It has grown to be a major chunk of change. However, when bond rates rise, the Fed could start to lose money on its holdings since the value of the bonds will drop. They will either have to hold them to maturity and thus not cutback the money supply risking inflation or they go for the federal bail out. Stay tuned but it will end badly.

Comment by albuquerquedan
2013-04-08 07:45:18

http://business.time.com/2012/03/26/where-the-feds-profits-come-from/

If you notice the Fed’s “profit” is almost as much as was cut from the federal budget this year. However, as soon as they stop buying bonds to hold down interest rates the rising interest rates will drive down the value of their bonds causing losses. Fed bail out next?

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Comment by Bluestar
2013-04-08 07:54:45

Debt doesn’t matter.
“No trade has lost more money for more people than the Japanese government debt crash that never happened. The same applies to America’s burgeoning public debt.”
-SPENGLER

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/GECON-04-080413.html

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Comment by albuquerquedan
2013-04-08 08:27:18

Debt does matter. The Japanese high saving rates at the beginning of their cycle combined with a large trade surplus (until recently) allowed the Japanese to avoid the problems of a large budget deficit.We do not have either one. Only the people that live in ivory towers do not see this coming collapse due to the excessive budget deficits and the surge in the debt. We are more like Greece than Japan. The Fed has no exit plan and the .02% know this will end badly.

 
Comment by it's hard out here for a pimp
2013-04-08 08:52:51

Spengler goes on saying that fracking will solve all of America’s ills. What a mormon!

 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-04-08 09:03:29

Depends on who is on the other side. For MBS, yes, they get paid interest. However, for US Treasuries, they charge the government 0%…thus masking the real cost of our (growing) debt.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2013-04-08 07:43:17

‘there will be a great earthquake; and the sun will become black…’

There’s different ways to look at it. I’ve always thought the whining about the poor loanowner was over done; a way to make the public feel sorry for debtors and justify government handouts. After all, just get some boxes and move. I see the aftermath of many foreclosures. Some of these people do a lot of damage to the houses. Do you think maybe they aren’t real happy?

Then there is the issue that does concern me; what this bubble and the policies that are going with it will result in. What motivated me to start this blog was the memory of what Texas went through in the 80’s. After all, in 2004, it was days of joy and riches, right? Who could deny that happy days were here? But I saw glimpses of the mania I had seen long ago. And I could never forget picking up the paper every day and reading about S&L failures on the front page, and suicides on the third page. Driving by businesses that were newly closed.

I read recently about a series of self-immolation’s in some eastern European country. People that were despondent about austerity. I can’t imagine being driven to suicide over money. But it happens. I can’t imagine the desire to knock holes in walls because I stopped paying a mortgage, but other people do.

I don’t care if any one person buys a house. I don’t think it matters in the scheme of things. If they lose money, it’s just money and they’ll get over it. But I don’t want this country to slide into recession for 20 years.

Comment by it's hard out here for a pimp
2013-04-08 07:57:20

But I don’t want this country to slide into recession for 20 years.

I think we are too late there. I would say make it 40 years if collapse doesn’t happen sooner.

The rich and powerful make their money by pushing debts to us. Yeah, they will give up being rich and powerful……

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-08 07:59:37

Perhaps a property mania supported by a protracted period of easy money will eventually work out better for the U.S. than it has for Ireland or Spain?

A world of cheap money
Six years of low interest rates in search of some growth
Central banks have cushioned the developed world’s economy in a difficult period. They have yet to boost growth as they had hoped
Apr 6th 2013 |From the print edition

NEVER in recent economic history have interest rates been so low for so many for so long. It is a safe bet that central banks in America, Britain, the euro zone, Japan and Switzerland will not be increasing short-term interest rates this year. Haruhiko Kuroda began his tenure at the Bank of Japan with a dramatic easing of policy on April 4th. Mark Carney, the new boss at the Bank of England, has licence to ease, too. It would be hardly surprising if rates stayed at the low levels of the past four years throughout 2014 (see chart 1). When rates were first cut to their current levels in 2008-2009, it looked like a temporary expedient; now it looks like normality.

…untempered enthusiasms could be a danger. History offers plenty of prolonged periods of low interest rates that encouraged speculative booms, particularly in property. In Thailand in the mid-1990s a property boom fuelled by cheap dollar loans ended in devaluation and disaster. In Spain and Ireland in the early 2000s cheap euro-denominated loans resulted in another property bubble.

Excessively low rates help to create bubbles because they allow investors to ignore the cost of financing and concentrate on the capital gains if their strategy works; they let people forget risk and focus too much on reward. Encouraging the revival of a property market in the doldrums risks creating a boom that will simply lead to another bust. Bubbles may not have emerged yet. But if they do, the eventual task of returning to normal monetary policy will be made even more complicated.

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Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-04-08 08:15:12

And Japan is gearing up to begin inflating after 20 years of deflationary policy.

US is next.

 
Comment by measton
2013-04-08 10:47:15

If they wanted to create inflation they would use all of that printed money to create jobs. People would then spend the money and take up some of the excess manufacturing capacity. Companies would see the increased demand and higher people.

Instead what they are doing is bailing out the elite adn allowing those with access to the free money to buy up everything. Spending is shifting from wants to needs (speculation driving up food and fuel) from services to needs creating downward pressure on employment.

There’s a big difference. They aren’t ignorant and know exactly what they are doing.

It’s like when they say no one saw it coming, yet Hank Paulson was selling everything and going long treasuries. The tan man was selling hand over fist. They knew exactly what was going on.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2013-04-08 12:45:02

They didn’t just know, they CREATED it.

 
Comment by measton
2013-04-08 13:09:08

Bingo

Yet time and time again it’s presented as they just didn’t know or just didn’t understand, that it was all so complicated. Not only did they know what was happening a lot of people did. They knew when it was going to happen, because they knew it was going to be triggered.
See Goldman sachs admission that their stolen software could be used to trigger a collapse in the market.

Pure BS

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 07:02:51

Today is the 100th anniversary of the 17th Amendment, which called for the direct election of US Senators by the people of their respective state, as opposed to their election by the state legislatures, which had been the case.

Some think this amendment should be repealed, especially many supporters of states’ rights. I’ve never really understood their opposition to the more democratic system the 17th A created. Perhaps someone could explain it to me?

Comment by Bluestar
2013-04-08 08:26:39

It goes back to Plato and his concept of the Philosopher King. Plato felt that democracy was flawed and that the ideal leaders were men of great intellect. The creators of our form of government were influenced by a combination of Greek/British/French law and philosophy. I think the founders should have included a few paragraphs specifically on ethics and morals.

Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 08:41:29

We are ruled by idiots these days, but we deserve it. We as a society have done nothing to stop it. Instead, we aid them by imposing virtually no restrictions on money in politics, resulting in copious advertising aimed at misinformation. We have also allowed them to spend our tax money frivolously on wars and transfer payments to old people, almost ensuring that the next generations are not equipped with the education or peaceful existance that could result in clear thinking. A war on drugs instead of infrastructure spending; tax breaks for carried interest instead of increasing the standard deduction for married couples (thus not discriminating in favor of cohabitation). We get the “leadership” we deserve as a society. Which is largely the “know nothing” variety.

Comment by it's hard out here for a pimp
2013-04-08 08:46:03

but we deserve it

You do. You voted for them.

Please spare us…we didn’t vote.

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Comment by it's hard out here for a pimp
2013-04-08 08:49:20

no restrictions on money in politics

It’s the lamest argument ever. Money in politics is a symptom of a much bigger issue Nobody talks about that….I wonder why?

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 08:53:26

Money in politics is a symptom of a much bigger issue Nobody talks about that…

It’s a symptom of the money all going to the .1%, and the power and propaganda they can buy with it (god, guns ‘n’ gays!) to keep it coming.

We talk about it a lot here.

 
Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 08:57:39

I used it as an example, not as a catch-all solution.

And the only Dem or Republican I voted for this time around was Obama, which was the right thing to do because I don’t believe in a black & white or evil vs good dichotomy. Mitt Romney is a disgusting excuse for a human being and needed (needs) to be repudiated. Yes, Obama was the lesser of two evils and no, sadly, there were no other viable candidates.

The rest of my ballot was independents and votes on ballot initiatives, e.g. in favor of marriage equality and against expanded gambling bc the state negotiated a bad deal.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-04-08 09:07:56

http://www.freakonomics.com/2012/01/12/does-money-really-buy-elections-a-new-marketplace-podcast-full-transcript/

“When a candidate doubled their spending, holding everything else constant, they only got an extra one percent of the popular vote. It’s the same if you cut your spending in half, you only lose one percent of the popular vote. So we’re talking about really, really large swings in campaign spending with almost trivial changes in the vote.”

 
Comment by albuquerquedan
2013-04-08 09:28:47

Take away that “trivial spending” impact 1% more of the vote, which I presume also means 1% less to your candidate, and Bush wins. Yes, it is taking more and more money to swing elections in this country but the money is still very important, perhaps more important since the electorate is so evenly divided and the most of it cannot be swayed by debates or any other means.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-04-08 09:32:40

When you read through though, there is also this:

“You’re right; it is almost always the guy with the most money who wins. That is what we know as correlation without cause. So let me explain: When it’s raining out, everybody’s got an umbrella, we know that. Those things are correlated. But you know what, the umbrellas don’t cause the rain, we know that too. Here’s the thing: Winning an election and raising money do go together, but it doesn’t seem as though money actually causes the winning either. It’s just that the kind of candidate who’s attractive to voters also ends up, along the way, attracting a lot of money and the losing candidate, nobody wants to give money to that guy. “

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 09:52:42

“When a candidate doubled their spending, holding everything else constant, they only got an extra one percent of the popular vote.

The most effective money is spent on the propaganda. I’m sure the Freakonomics guys didn’t include Faux News and the Kochtopus in their campaign spending tally- but they should have. That’s where issues are created and personalized into enemies who are targeted. Then sound bites are created there and disseminated throughout the popular culture.

For example, I’m sure little or no ‘campaign money’ was spent on promoting the idea that Obama is a Kenyan Muslim. But plenty of money was spent by ’someone’ on that bit of propaganda. The fact that it failed to sway the Presidential election just shows that Right’s sound bites are no longer believed by a majority of the voting population. A problem the GOP is feverishly working on right now.

When it is pointed out that the candidate with the most money tends to win most elections, they fall back on the ‘correlation does not prove causation’ defense. But correlation does strongly imply causation, and it in no way refutes it, as some seem to think. It is up to the ‘debunker’ to prove why something is consistently correlated with something else, and not its cause.

And of course, ‘only getting one percent more of the vote’ through much higher spending, is often enough to win the election.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-04-08 10:15:18

They are talking about a DOUBLING of spending to get an extra 1%. They don’t say that political spending doesn’t matter, they are just saying that it doesn’t matter as much as everyone wants you to believe.

How many elections are decided by 1% or less of the vote? I’m going to say that it doesn’t happen often. In fact, I’m willing to wager that it actually happens quite rarely.

Why do politicians want you to believe otherwise? Because regardless, the politicians want the money in their hands, not yours. Having a big purse in many cases can keep challengers away from even attempting to unseat an incumbent.

 
Comment by usury camp resident
2013-04-08 10:23:23

The most effective money is spent on the propaganda. I’m sure the Freakonomics guys didn’t include Faux News and the Kochtopus in their campaign spending tally- but they should have.

You have to be most deluded partisan poster in this blog. Even 2banana can’t compete with you.

If you had any brain cells (I doubt it) or had an ounce of intellectual honesty (I double doubt it) same can be said about your side.

 
Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 10:31:18

It’s not necessarily about which candidate or party wins, it’s about the POLICIES and INSTITUTIONS. We have 2 idiotic parties that essentially serve the same people. Yes, they hand out slightly different amounts of money to different interest groups, but they answer to the same people. Once in office, it’s shocking how many of the same things both parties support. Look at wars, look at our tax code (not the easy issues with taxation of w-2 income, look at the loopholes, the reclassification of income as “carried interest”, capital gains, depreciation, amortization, etc.).

There are some surface differences, sure. The focus on candidates and parties only obscurs what has happened to the U.S. over a long period of time. The hegemony is astounding. Can you ever imagine either party really running a legit “anti-war” campaign these days? Can you imagine either party admitting that more money for a “war on drugs” is tantamount to more lives and money flushed down the toilet and more U.S. money ending up in shitholes like Mexico and Columbia to fund real terrorists?

 
Comment by polly
2013-04-08 10:40:01

“Take away that “trivial spending” impact 1% more of the vote, which I presume also means 1% less to your candidate, and Bush wins.”

They only change the minds of 1% because they are only targeting the minds of a small portion of the electorate. Larger than 1%, but not anywhere close to 100%. There are some people who actually are undecided. The ones who are both undecided and living in states where the main party candidates are within 5% of each other are the ones that are targeted with serious advertising. The rest of us see it because we are in areas that are in the same media buying area as people like that. The rest don’t get a lot of advertising dollars spent on them, though a little will go for general GOTV purposes and to make sure whoever wins the EC also wins the popular vote.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 10:44:42

If you had any brain cells (I doubt it) or had an ounce of intellectual honesty (I double doubt it) same can be said about your side.

I assume by your lack of a coherent counter-argument, and your juvenile name calling, that you are one of those easily influenced by propaganda.

 
 
Comment by measton
2013-04-08 10:48:47

We are not ruled by idiots we are ruled by very intelligent greedy men who use their puppets in gov to strip wealth from the majority of Americans.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-04-08 07:14:33

90% of All Foreclosures Held Off Market ……..…. And There Are MILLIONS of Them

http://realestate.aol.com/blog/2012/07/13/shadow-reo-as-much-as-90-percent-of-foreclosed-properties-are-h/

Comment by Bluestar
2013-04-08 08:41:50

April 2, 2009, FASB rule 157 (“mark to market”) was suspended. Debt doesn’t matter. The only losses the bank has to deal with are delinquent taxes, maintenance and fines.

Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-04-08 09:13:34

Doesn’t matter. Inventory is massive and growing irrespective of changes in FASB rules.

 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-08 07:33:49

The stock market is falling up again. Today the DJIA is already “down” to over 14,500 and still falling…

April 8, 2013, 10:05 a.m. EDT
Wall Street extends year’s worst weekly drop
By Kate Gibson, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — U.S. stocks declined Monday as Wall Street extended losses following its worst week drop this year, with telecommunications leading the drop

HTC Corp. (TW:2498 -2.23%) reported a quarterly below consensus estimates after the Taiwanese smartphone maker delayed the full launch of its 2013 smartphone model.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA -0.40%) fell 50 points, or 0.3%, to 14,515.17.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2013-04-08 11:40:20

It’s time for dips to buy!

April 8, 2013, 2:28 p.m. EDT
Wall Street rises on ‘buy-the-dip’ crowd mentality

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) - U.S. stocks erased Monday losses to turn modestly higher as investors once again viewed a market drop as a buying opportunity. “The declines are shallow as buyers come in because they need additional equity exposure. The path of least resistance is up,” said Marc Chaikin, CEO of Chaikin Analytics. The S&P 500 index rose 3.9 points, or 0.3%, to 1,557.18. The Nasdaq Composite COMP +0.25% gained 6.88 points, or 0.2%, to 3,210.73. Only the Dow Jones Industrial Average DJIA +0.05% remained in the red, with the index off 3.19 points to 14,562.06.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-04-08 12:31:29

DOW 14,562.06.

Dow at 14.5K? Wow.

That’s ALOT higher than a couple years ago. I guess my IRA’s are doing pretty well then.

Comment by ecofeco
2013-04-08 12:48:44

Ah, but for how long?

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2013-04-08 13:06:05

“That’s ALOT higher than a couple years ago.”

Like I said, the market is falling UP…

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-04-08 07:50:45

“Even in the absence of the excess empty housing inventory estimated in the tens of millions, historically housing prices fall. Why? Because houses depreciate. ALWAYS.”

Comment by cactus
2013-04-08 13:05:05

99.5% beats 65% depreciation

The average life expectancy for a fiat currency is 27 years, with the shortest life span being one month. Founded in 1694, the British pound Sterling is the oldest fiat currency in existence. At a ripe old age of 317 years it must be considered a highly successful fiat currency. However, success is relative. The British pound was defined as 12 ounces of silver, so it’s worth less than 1/200 or 0.5% of its original value. In other words, the most successful long standing currency in existence has lost 99.5% of its value.

Given the undeniable track record of currencies, it is clear that on a long enough timeline the survival rate of all fiat currencies drops to zero.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 13:15:47

the most successful long standing currency in existence has lost 99.5% of its value.

What matters more- the value of a pound, or how many pounds you have?

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-04-08 14:39:01

“houses depreciate.”

ALWAYS

Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 15:07:06

How. Was. Lunch?

ANSWER THE QUESTION!

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Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-04-08 18:05:27

ALWAYS

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-08 07:51:45

Luxembourg, European Union’s Wealthiest Country, Eyed As Next Ticking Bomb After Cyprus
By JUERGEN BAETZ 04/07/13 02:25 AM ET EDT AP

BRUSSELS — As the European Union’s wealthiest country, Luxembourg could have been forgiven for thinking that it would never find itself on the bloc’s financial risk list.

With just half a million people living on a tiny patch of lush land nestled between Belgium, France and Germany, Luxembourg is as tranquil as a buzzing financial center gets. Still, some of Europe’s regulators and politicians have started wondering aloud whether its banks might be holding the 17-nation eurozone’s next ticking bomb.

Following the chaotic bailout for Cyprus last week, European officials have been drawing worrying comparisons between the two countries’ oversized financial industries.

Mario Draghi, president of the European Central Bank, cautioned on Thursday that “the recent experience shows that countries where the banking sector is several times bigger than the economy are countries that, on average, have more vulnerabilities.”

Comment by ecofeco
2013-04-08 12:50:16

Let’s not forget about all the Level 3 “assets” being held by our banks that have NEVER been publicly inventoried, let alone audited.

 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-08 07:54:04

With an unlimited potential future Bitcoin and paper gold supply, why does the amount of physical gold in the world even matter?

31 March 2013 Last updated at 21:48 ET
How much gold is there in the world?
By Ed Prior BBC News

Imagine if you were a super-villain who had taken control of all the world’s gold, and had decided to melt it down to make a cube. How long would the sides be? Hundreds of metres, thousands even?

Actually, it’s unlikely to be anything like that size.

Warren Buffett, one of the world’s richest investors, says the total amount of gold in the world - the gold above ground, that is - could fit into a cube with sides of just 20m (67ft).

But is that all there is? And if so, how do we know?

Comment by albuquerquedan
2013-04-08 08:47:40

Bitcoin will go the way of intrade.

Comment by tj
2013-04-08 10:03:28

Bitcoin will go the way of intrade.

or it might evolve into a sustainable currency. if it stays the way it is, you’re right, it will probably fail. right now it’s more like tulips than a currency.

 
Comment by Steve J
2013-04-08 12:28:16

If Bitcoin is deemed illegal, it will soar in popularity.

However, being able to trace all transactions made using Bitcoins will probably proved tempting to the Fed.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 12:32:47

My understanding is that Bitcoins are untraceable.

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Comment by In Colorado
2013-04-08 13:00:42

So if you get hacked, they’re bye bye!

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 13:17:03

So if you get hacked, they’re bye bye!

Yep.

 
Comment by Skroodle
2013-04-08 20:13:44

All transactions are always available to monitor, that is the only way they make sure 1 bitcoin is only spent once.

All bitcoins can be traced back to when they were first mined.

Who is spending the bitcoins may or may not be anonymous.

 
 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2013-04-08 12:51:55

2 words: Flooze. Beanz.

Look ‘em up.

 
 
Comment by CRATER!!!!
2013-04-08 07:55:21

KEEEEEEEEEEEEEYRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASH!!!

What was that?!

You know that house you made the mistake of buying? Well the value of it just fell through the floor leaving a smoldering moon-crater.

Beware reading public. Beware.

Comment by it's hard out here for a pimp
2013-04-08 08:14:12

That’s the sound of NATO bombing that killed 10 children in Afghanistan. (Obma calls he is just getting his daily fix.)

 
Comment by oxide
2013-04-08 10:28:55

How was lunch, my little smoochie moocher? :mrgreen:

Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-04-08 10:33:34

You’re underwater…. and sinking. ;)

Comment by oxide
2013-04-08 12:31:30

Answer the question. How was lunch???

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Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-04-08 12:38:09

Still running and flailing huh….. Birdbrain. lmao

 
Comment by MiddleCoaster
2013-04-08 13:05:46

He never answers questions. Never. Not even when you ask them like he does.

 
Comment by tresho
2013-04-08 13:24:32

He never answers questions. Never. Not even when you ask them like he does.
Today I finally found a man in the trade who knew the names of 3 or the current producers of aluminum siding. The previous dozen I had asked either didn’t know or wouldn’t tell me.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-08 08:02:18

Irish Legacy of Leniency on Mortgages Nears an End
Paulo Nunes dos Santos for the International Herald Tribune

Ben Gilroy, who represented a new party, Direct Democracy Ireland, in a parliamentary election this week, has made no mortgage payments for two years. He is known, in part, for confrontations with officials trying to seize properties.
By STEPHEN CASTLE
Published: March 29, 2013

DUBLIN — Ben Gilroy, one of tens of thousands who over-borrowed in the giddy property boom that preceded Ireland’s economic collapse, has made no mortgage payments for two years. But he says he does not worry that he will lose his home any time soon.

Paul Joyce, senior policy researcher at Free Legal Advice Centers, says the history of colonial oppression in Ireland shapes views on eviction.

“I still deal with my lender, and they threaten with legal action now and again,” said Mr. Gilroy, whose electrical business failed in the crisis. With no income since, he has no hope of paying off the €310,000, or $398,000, loan on the four-bedroom house in Navan, north of Dublin, that he shares with his wife and three children.

The lender is “only threatening by letter at the minute,” said Mr. Gilroy, who is betting the odds are in his favor, for the time being at least. Although there are more than 143,000 delinquent home mortgages in Ireland, foreclosures have been so politically and legally difficult that, in the last three months of last year, they numbered 38.

That could change.

Under pressure from the international lenders who agreed to a €85 billion, or about $109 billion, bailout of the Irish economy in 2010, the law is being amended to overturn a legal ruling that has been restricting banks’ right to repossess property. As Ireland’s fellow euro zone member Cyprus may be about to learn, bailouts come with strings that can bind for years to come.

Besides pushing for changes to property-repossession law, Ireland’s creditors, collectively known as the troika — the European Commission, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund — has also prompted the government to introduce the country’s first property tax in more than 15 years, a measure intended to raise €500 million a year.

Unlike Cyprus, where wealthier depositors are being forced to help pay for ruined banks, the Irish government picked up the tab for its broken lenders before it, too, had to seek help.

More than two years after the bailout, officials say that the dead weight of debt, mostly in bad property loans, is still hanging over the economy, stifling confidence and suffocating recovery. New rules that take affect later this year are designed to help troubled borrowers and cut their debt loads. But critics fear that the latest tightening could nonetheless cause thousands of Irish households to lose their homes and hamper the broader recovery efforts.

If people cannot make their mortgage payments, it is unlikely that many will suddenly be able to pay property tax bills. Mr. Gilroy has refused to open his assessment but thinks it would demand an additional €300 a year.

Comment by measton
2013-04-08 10:51:40

Under pressure from the international lenders who agreed to a €85 billion, or about $109 billion, bailout of the Irish economy in 2010, the law is being amended to overturn a legal ruling that has been restricting banks’ right to repossess property. As Ireland’s fellow euro zone member Cyprus may be about to learn, bailouts come with strings that can bind for years to come

Like I said, we are ruled by very smart greedy men who rule via a collection of puppets.

Comment by Steve J
2013-04-08 12:30:27

Repossessing will allow banks to sell off those properties, further depressing property values.

Comment by ecofeco
2013-04-08 12:54:29

^ This.

Damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

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Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-08 08:04:30

Spain: Hands off my house!
1 April 2013
Libération Paris

Publicly denouncing politicians who refuse to revise the law on mortgages, Spaniards lobbying against the soaring number of home evictions have adopted a technique used to put pressure on the Argentine military, nicknamed “the unmasking”.
François Musseau

One morning, amid great secrecy, they meet up at Atocha station, Madrid, to lie in wait for their “prey”: members of parliament arriving from their constituencies to attend a plenary session. Around 7.30am, equipped with whistles and loudspeakers, dozens of the activists converged in the lobby of the train arrivals hall. Each one carries two cardboard signs, a green one proclaiming “Yes, it can be done” (referring to the halting of home repossessions), and a red one declaring, “But they don’t want to” (referring to the politicians).

At around 9am, the trains begin pulling in, from Valencia, Barcelona and Seville and the tension ratchets up. “Cancel the debt and provide social housing for the evictees,” yell the activists. Police officers, just arriving, improvise a security cordon. As MPs appear in the distance, officials hasten to shield them as they escape to the taxi ranks.

After four years of struggle to put an end to the repossessions drama – 510 per day since the start of 2013 – hundreds of anti-eviction collectives across all of Spain have come up with a new strategy: “unmasking” (or escrache), or public shaming. This term from Argentina comes from the 1990s demonstrations that were intended to shine a spotlight on officials who were involved in the military repression from 1976 to 1983, generally by gathering outside their homes or at their offices.

Comment by tresho
2013-04-08 13:27:25

Wikipedia mentioned 2 events that happened 27 April 1933:

About 100 farmers in Le Mars, Iowa kidnapped Judge Charles C. Bradley from the Plymouth County Courthouse after he refused to promise not to sign any further mortgage foreclosures. A group of masked men then blindfolded him, took him outside, drove him out of town, and pulled him from the ground after putting a noose around his neck until he lost consciousness. After being told to pray, Bradley reportedly said “Lord, I pray thee do justice to all men,” and the mob disbursed on its own. Iowa Governor Clyde L. Herring then proclaimed martial law in Plymouth County and sent 400 state National Guardsmen to enforce order. After guardsmen arrested more than 100 suspects, a military court of inquiry heard testimony and referred 46 of the group to prosecution at various county courts. Most were given probation.
Died: Albert Funk, 38, former member of the German Reichstag, was killed at the police station at Recklinghausen, after being thrown from an upstairs window.

 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2013-04-08 08:25:30

So, last week I mentioned that the current policies I see coming out of the US and Europe are designed to: 1) Keep J6P in debt and 2) prevent him from building wealth. The reason for this is that this makes him easier to control and govern. And because economic policy is being set by central banks which have a bank-centric outlook on the economy.

So, I recently came across this tidbit, an opinion piece from PBS that says that not only is savings pointless, it’s destructive for society. If true, I’d like to see the elites liquidate their assets and join the masses. Of course, unspoken in the article is that saving for the common man is destructive, not the elites of course.

If this is the mindset of the policy makers (and I have no doubt that it is) it makes understanding the policies of the past several years / decades easier to understand. If you recall after 9/11, the recommendation from the government was to ‘get out there and buy stuff’ to prevent the economy from stalling. And I’ve heard constant murmurs of how savings is unhelpful and likely destructive over the years. That the spendthrifts are the ones who are good for the “economy” (a logical construct made of up individuals).

Of course, none of this applies to the elites, the nomenklatura, only to the commoners.

This however, is the first time I’ve seen the view clearly stated and defended in a mainstream publication.

Why Saving for a Rainy Day is Pointless — For the Economy
By: James Livingston
MAKING SENSE — April 5, 2013 at 11:24 AM EDT
PBS News Hour

By examining history, economic historian James “Against Thrift” Livingston says the sacrifice of saving for a rainy day — of foregoing present consumption on behalf of future growth — could be potentially destructive of the general welfare. And he says that John Maynard Keynes would be on his side.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2013/04/why-saving-for-a-rainy-day-is-pointless.html

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2013-04-08 09:25:32

“So, I recently came across this tidbit, an opinion piece from PBS that says that not only is savings pointless, it’s destructive for society.

And he says that John Maynard Keynes would be on his side.”

Sounds like a one-sided version of the longstanding Keynes vrs. Hayek debate.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 09:58:35

Sounds like a one-sided version of the longstanding Keynes vrs. Hayek debate.

Interestingly, both sides of this particular debate are claiming Keynes as ‘on their side’- the savers and the spenders.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2013-04-08 13:05:02

I doubt that even Keynes advocated burning the legs of your chair to heat the room?

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Comment by tresho
2013-04-08 13:29:05

I doubt that even Keynes advocated burning the legs of your chair to heat the room?
True story - my mom burnt some of our furniture in the fireplace one night in 1958 or ‘59 when dad was laid off & couldn’t fill the furnace oil tank.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 13:44:27

Keynes would advocate that the government spend money to plant tree farms, so the freezing people could have jobs now, and the country will have a future asset.

Hayek would advocate that the people should set themselves on fire, as both a short- and long-term solution.

Marx would advocate that they set the people who created the unsuccessful economy on fire. That’s what scared the .1% so much the last time that they swallowed their bile and did what Keynes advocated- to great success.

Then communism fell and Marxism was supposedly ‘disproven’, so the .1%ers are letting their freak flag fly again.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-08 23:03:53

tresho — awesome story, thanks for sharing!

 
 
 
 
Comment by tj
2013-04-08 10:08:07

So, I recently came across this tidbit, an opinion piece from PBS that says that not only is savings pointless, it’s destructive for society. If true, I’d like to see the elites liquidate their assets and join the masses.

it’s good to know you see through this BS.

Comment by Neuromance
2013-04-08 10:25:55

This strikes me as bad for the common man’s standard of living. Financial freedom is as real as political freedom. A person who is constantly in debt is like a drug addict constantly looking for his next fix. Some people do (seem to) like it, certainly. But it’s not the way the elites live. Corporate finances are structured like this, heavily dependent on short term debt.

But… the question that will be focused upon is, “Is he right? Is savings in fact bad for a society?”

Bad for society, to me, means “lowering the standard of living of those in the society.”

Comment by tj
2013-04-08 10:40:41

But… the question that will be focused upon is, “Is he right? Is savings in fact bad for a society?”

he’s wrong. it’s stupid keynesian myth that savings is bad for the economy (or society). to believe that savings is bad, is to believe that eternal poverty is good.

debt is really bad for society. if this huge crushing government debt isn’t reversed, it will kill our currency.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-04-08 12:39:37

if this huge crushing government debt isn’t reversed, it will kill our currency.

The debt will “kill our currency” relative to what? The Yen? The Euro? The Real? Bitcoins, Gold? Tacos?

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2013-04-08 13:40:04

“Tacos?”

Tacos have an inherent worth. At least you can eat them.

 
 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2013-04-08 10:51:41
So, I recently came across this tidbit, an opinion piece from PBS that says that not only is savings pointless, it’s destructive for society. If true, I’d like to see the elites liquidate their assets and join the masses.

it’s good to know you see through this BS.

And one more note: Whenever I hear someone suggest some odious course of action, my first response is typically, “You first.”

I understand, and support, shared sacrifice, and laws which apply to all, but these policies are not intended as shared sacrifice, but merely sacrifice and constraints for the masses.

It’s like they’re like the Nomenklatura of the old Soviet Union, with their country dachas, Zil limos and stocked larders, while the masses were supposed to be content with central planning, concrete tenements, bicycles and food lines.

 
Comment by tresho
2013-04-08 13:31:26

not only is savings pointless, it’s destructive for society
Someone a while back mentioned William Shakespeare got into legal trouble for “hoarding” stuff — he would buy things at a low price & sell them later when prices were higher. This was considered a criminal act at the time. It’s a very old attitude.

 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2013-04-08 10:59:03

One more note: it seems to me that nothing is as effective at creating a “wealth effect” like having actual wealth - savings.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 11:57:10

One more note: it seems to me that nothing is as effective at creating a “wealth effect” like having actual wealth - savings.

If everyone saves their money, what drives the economy?

Comment by Neuromance
2013-04-08 12:26:14

I’m not suggesting everyone save ALL their money.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 12:28:24

Was the economist saying that everybody should spend ALL of their money, and then borrow more?

 
Comment by tresho
2013-04-08 13:32:45

Was the economist saying that everybody should spend ALL of their money, and then borrow more?
If the economist didn’t say that, s/he might as well have.

 
Comment by Neuromance
2013-04-08 13:45:24

Well, he doesn’t address that question specifically. But from the article, this is what he IS saying:

As a result of this displacement of labor, the sacrifice of saving for a rainy day — of foregoing present consumption on behalf of future growth — had become pointless, and perhaps destructive of the general welfare.

And now we get to the heart of my argument: that today’s policy emphasis should be on spending, not saving; in short, my argument “against thrift.”

 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2013-04-08 12:28:16

But… I think you bring up a good point.

At one extreme, everyone is saving all their money. At the other, everyone is in debt and deficit spending.

Probably a happy medium is best for the populace’s standard of living, biased towards the savings side.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 13:27:13

biased towards the savings side.

The bias towards saving will still result in deflation and a slowing economy, as the velocity of money slows and the money supply contracts, which makes money worth more and more, encouraging people to save more and spend less, which continues the vicious circle.

 
Comment by albuquerquedan
2013-04-08 14:41:16

The creation of the safety net was driven in large part by the belief that the masses would be much better consumers if they knew they would be taken care of when they were old and broke. The old story about the ant and the grasshopper does not make sense if when the grasshopper runs out of food, government steps in and takes the food from the ant. Take away the safety net or don’t create one and private savings soar. The old unions were able to sustain strikes for six months or more because even working class people use to save that amount. It wasn’t due to much higher wages but a much more frugal lifestyle. So if you want to relieve the stress on the planet support cuts to the safety net.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-04-08 14:46:09

if you want to relieve the stress on the planet support cuts to the safety net so old people die faster.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 15:14:58

The old unions were able to sustain strikes for six months or more because even working class people use to save that amount.

The unions had strike funds to help pay the striking workers their lost wages. Nice try, though.

The creation of the safety net was driven in large part by the belief that the masses would be much better consumers if they knew they would be taken care of when they were old and broke

And it worked exactly as planned, creating the largest middle class in history.

 
Comment by albuquerquedan
2013-04-08 15:58:18

Sorry Alpha, very few unions ever had six month strike funds, it was their members savings that allowed for the long strikes.

 
Comment by albuquerquedan
2013-04-08 16:00:57

And it worked exactly as planned, creating the largest middle class in history.
Correction it worked exactly as planned, it allowed the .02% to accumulate wealth while the 99.8% accumulated debt. The last remaining wealth held by the middle class was in their houses so they created home equity lines of credit.

 
Comment by albuquerquedan
2013-04-08 16:25:21

From the teamsters own site, looking at these amounts, strike funds could never sustain strikes without people drawing from their own resources, the smartest thing capitalists ever did for themselves was to get workers to go into debt and stop creating a rainy day fund:

What is strike pay and how much would I receive?

When strikers stop working, they do not receive their normal paychecks, but they will receive some money from the International Brotherhood of Teamsters Strike Fund. Many local unions also maintain their own strike funds to help their workers through difficult times. Local strike benefits are determined by the local. Strike benefits from the International Union are based on the following formula:

If you earn less than $11 per hour, you will receive between $75 and $110 per week. For all other members, strike pay is equivalent to four times your monthly dues amount per week. For example, if your monthly dues payment is $70, you will receive $280 per week (70 x 4 = 280).

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 16:28:16

it allowed the .02% to accumulate wealth while the 99.8% accumulated debt

That was when we ‘wised up’ and chucked Keynes for supply-side voodoo economics.

it was their members savings that allowed for the long strikes.

Strike pay is the name of payments made by a trade union to workers who are on strike as help in meeting their basic needs while on strike, often out of a special reserve known as a strike fund. Union workers reason that the availability of strike pay increases their leverage at the bargaining table and actually decreases the probability of a strike, since the employers are aware that their employees have this financial resource available to them if they choose to strike.[1]
wikipedia

 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2013-04-08 17:29:13

That was when we ‘wised up’ and chucked Keynes for supply-side voodoo economics.

We chucked Keynes because we had double digit inflation and high unemployment under Carter. How a housing bubble which is an increase in consumption can be blamed on supply side economics is beyond me. Supply side economics which would encourage factories over consumption. If Reagan was president the first thing he would do is do away with double taxation of profits earned overseas so they could be brought back to invest in factories here. That would be supply side. Reagan created IRAs and did away with deductions for interest on credit cards. Once again investment is favored over consumption in supply side economics.
Obama has encouraged consumption over investment since he came in office with predictable results. Cash for clunkers, first time buyer’s credit etc along with driving down interest rates punishing savers and rewarding debtors.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 19:04:56

How a housing bubble which is an increase in consumption can be blamed on supply side economics is beyond me.

Then you’re not thinking very hard.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-04-08 19:13:50

How a housing bubble which is an increase in consumption can be blamed on supply side economics is beyond me.

Not me. The housing bubble was promoted to provide asset inflation AFTER supply-side, all for the rich (voodoo economics) caused gross wealth inequality and gutted the middle class’s path to wealth.

Reagan created IRAs

And and fostered disrespect for our government, gutted unions and set the path for a no-pension America. But we have IRA’s now. What a joke.

 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2013-04-08 20:06:30

Yes, Rio and the worker’s paradise in Brazil is going gang busters. Everything I said it happening, Brazil’s growth is gone because government driven growth does not work as well as supply side economics. Even the government oil company is in trouble. The problem is not supply side economics, it is we stopped trying true supply side economics after Reagan left office. Not surprising since the globalists did not want production in the US, they wanted it in the rest of the world.

 
Comment by Albuquerquedan
2013-04-08 20:13:57

Brazil back to importing oil since it has taken over oil production, and even using US ethanol, I guess it ran out of slave labor, forward: http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/04/08/who-can-help-brazils-oil-industry-stop-the-bleedin.aspx

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-04-08 21:12:45

Rio and the worker’s paradise in Brazil is going gang busters.

How is Brazil a “worker’s paradise”? I’ve never heard anyone in the world (including Brazilians) call it that. Do you own a passport? My passport is Blue, not Green. If you think a bashing Brazil hurts me, you’re funny.

But you are dodging the issue: (as usual)

The housing bubble was promoted to provide asset inflation AFTER supply-side and then all-for-the-rich policies caused gross wealth inequality and gutted the middle class. All of those “free-market” policies jacked America.

Reagan’s voodoo economics and “free-market,” rich-get-richer false religion set the USA down a path to ruin.

Reagan, was in many aspects…….a tool.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Pennyford
2013-04-08 08:51:32

David Stockman is telling it like it is on bloomberg right now

Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-04-08 09:12:24

indeed he is.

The pain and losses for debtors is going to be severe.

 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2013-04-08 08:54:42

Some on this forum have wondered aloud about the legality of the government and central bank’s and banks in general activities and interventions in propping up house prices.

It’s something we’ve long suspected but laws, like taxes, are for the little people (see Leona Helmsley). The most recent Wikileaks release quotes Kissinger saying, “The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer.”

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2013-04-08 15:17:10

ft dot com
April 8, 2013 6:37 pm
Fed warned to rein in QE
By Dan McCrum in New York

One of Wall Street’s biggest money managers has called on the Federal Reserve to rein in its programme of quantitative easing, saying its bond-buying tactics are a “large and dull hammer” that have distorted markets and risk stoking inflation.

Rick Rieder, who oversees $763bn in fixed income investments for BlackRock, spoke out as the Fed debates how long to persist with the unorthodox measures it has used to stimulate the US economy. His comments add BlackRock to the growing list of Fed critics who are warning of trouble ahead for the bond market.

BlackRock has been an advocate of government debt in recent years, in comparison to the shrill voices that delivered premature warnings of higher rates. Mr Rieder’s shift comes as the asset manager pushes clients towards investments with less sensitivity to the effect of higher interest rates than long-dated bonds.

Mr Rieder favours government debt that matures within five years, corporate and emerging market debt, and bank loans that offer floating interest rates.

“Fed policy has had a distorting effect on capital allocation decisions of all kinds at virtually every level of the economy,” he told the Financial Times. “It is a very large and dull hammer for markets.”

The Fed buys $85bn of Treasuries and mortgage-backed securities every month, about two-thirds of the net issuance of such bonds.

 
 
Comment by MiddleCoaster
2013-04-08 09:19:54

They don’t make ‘em like this any more.
Had a fun time over the weekend at a real estate open house that was even better than a historic house walk (because RE open houses are FREE!). For your enjoyment:

http://www.144woodstock.com/

Comment by oxide
2013-04-08 10:37:20

Ziloow says it’s going for $3.6 million.. Lots o’ pix:

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/144-Woodstock-Ave-Kenilworth-IL-60043/3364152_zpid/

I like this little ego-stroking tidbit from middle-coaster’s link: “The unique value of 144 Woodstock is now greater than ever due to the recent adoption of Kenilworth zoning regulations that prohibit any new home of this size and grandeur from ever again being built in Kenilworth. ”

Translation: You will always be the biggest house in the nabe.

Comment by Blue Skye
2013-04-08 11:34:23

A big house is a heavy stone on your back.

Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 12:09:01

While 3.6MM is too much for that house, even in that area, what is a “big stone” varies by person. There are people for whom a million bucks doesn’t phase them because they have 10mil. Meanwhile, some people shouldn’t even buy a house for 50k or 100k because it takes them years to make that and they don’t have job stability.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-04-08 12:43:13

A big house is a heavy stone on your back.

Some people like it. ALOT.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-04-08 15:04:18

Some people are suckers….. ALOT.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2013-04-08 15:41:12

Some people like loosing money…ALOT.

 
 
 
Comment by MiddleCoaster
2013-04-08 11:41:47

The funny part is that most homes in that part of Kenilworth already ARE that big, and that old or older. But–the house has a back yard about 20 feet deep. Being a corner lot, it’s all side and front yard. No one in their right mind would tear this house down, though. For one thing, they would literally have to blast it with dynamite, which I have no doubt is against zoning laws (though a rear wall was blasted to enlarge the kitchen) and would piss off the well-connected neighbors.

I just thought it was a hoot that there was actually an open house. Anything in that bracket does not generally have to suffer the footprints of the hoi polloi traipsing through. I appreciated it. As I said, it was like going on a house walk without paying admission. :D

Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-04-08 11:58:20

Yeah…. because nothing has ever been demo’ed without using DynoNobel. Ever….. right?? RIGHT?

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Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 12:10:52

she cited zoning laws, which tend to be strict in nice places like Kenilworth. That said, anything is possible if you scratch the right backs, so maybe someone could persuade the zoning board.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-04-08 18:09:21

And I said there’s this thing called an excavator that pushes over dumps like these.

 
 
Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 12:07:14

Kenilworth is extremely WASPy and safe, the kind of place I would like to live if RE really does CRAAAATER by 65%. Kind of like the Bethesda of Chicagoland, I guess.

Let’s all cross our fingers and hope that places like this crater. I saw a gorgeous house in West Friendship MD in this Sunday’s Baltimore Sun RE ads… only problem is the price, currently 1.3 Mil. I’m waiting for the blue light sale at 65% off.

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Comment by ahansen
2013-04-08 11:07:37

“Only” seven families since 1928, with several living there less than five years? For a house of that size and “importance”, the brevity suggests a bad juju to the place, more a fortress than a home. The library was nice, but the distorted photography suggests something being hidden from the shot.

Gloomy, cluttered, in urgent need of remodel and update. And no listing price. What was your impression during the walk-through?

Comment by MiddleCoaster
2013-04-08 11:26:00

It was beautiful, and light-filled on the sunny day we toured it. The only dark spaces are in the expansive basement, which also houses the garage. Gorgeous newer kitchen–they had to literally blast out a rear wall to put on the addition, because the entire house was concrete and steel. I especially loved the sun room/conservatory and the paneled library with the rolling ladder. The bathrooms were a bit of a down side to me–all original tile and fixtures. I’ve seen this before in several grand old homes. The tiles are all set in concrete, so jackhammering them out is a major pain. Beautiful tile work, but if the buyer wants modern bathrooms, they will have to endure a lot of noise and dust (or go on an extended trip somewhere). The house has maid’s quarters off the kitchen, and the basement could have housed both a butler and chauffeur.

The attic has a footprint about the size of my entire house. :)

Comment by MiddleCoaster
2013-04-08 11:28:30

BTW, I also noticed that the original owners had only lived there 3 years. There are many grand old homes around here that have had 2 or 3 owners in a hundred years–this certianly isn’t one of them. Current owners have been there since 1978, though.

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Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-04-08 11:38:31

LMAO

 
Comment by MiddleCoaster
2013-04-08 12:13:08

Pimpster, no doubt you could build the place today for $60 per sq ft. ;)

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-04-08 12:22:31

I wouldn’t know. Nobody builds relics like that for good reason.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 13:10:07

Nobody builds relics like that for good reason.

They can’t afford to. That’s why you generally get a better house if you buy a well-made older one.

If they keep the rain out and away from the foundation, that house will last 500 or more years. Don’t believe me? Take a trip to Europe.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2013-04-08 14:18:23

“BTW, I also noticed that the original owners had only lived there 3 years.”

1928-1931. Sounds like a Depression victim.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-04-08 14:37:12

“That’s why you generally get a better house if you buy a well-made older one.”

Like that balloon framed fire trap of yours. uh huh.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 15:23:15

Like that balloon framed fire trap of yours. uh huh.

I guess that’s why every balloon framed building has burned down.

BTW, since you seem interested- my house is brick masonry (3 brick thick) on a cut stone foundation. Like the two-thousand-year old buildings of ancient Rome, many of which still stand.

 
Comment by tresho
2013-04-08 17:57:24

my house is brick masonry (3 brick thick) on a cut stone foundation. Like the two-thousand-year old buildings of ancient Rome, many of which still stand.
Many of the ancient wonder buildings that aren’t standing were disassembled & used as building materials for later structures. It is nice that you thought of posterity when you bought your place.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-04-08 18:03:53

“(3 brick thick)”

Which means an un-reinforced seismic death trap.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 19:09:16

Which means an un-reinforced seismic death trap.

About my only fear. But I got earthquake insurance for an extra $10 month, because I don’t live in an area prone to earthquakes.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-04-08 19:24:12

Then there’s the rotting mortar from the inside out.

 
Comment by MiddleCoaster
2013-04-08 20:25:11

LOL, Pimpy. Such a ray of sunshine you are.

 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-04-09 04:42:15

Don’t like the truth huh debt-junkie.

 
 
 
Comment by tresho
2013-04-08 13:37:34

Gloomy, cluttered, in urgent need of remodel and update. And no listing price. What was your impression during the walk-through?

The place needs a permanent indentured staff of tribesmen to maintain it, along with heavily guarded woodlands and mines to supply the necessary raw materials in perpetuity. Along with an army. What a white elephant!

Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 14:26:11

It’s not really that big, especially by today’s McMansion standards. I bet you could get by fine with one day a week maid service and groundskeeping.

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Comment by MiddleCoaster
2013-04-08 15:05:19

We decided it would need a SWAT team to clean it once a week. The basement has its own kitchen…perfect for a couple of teenage boys to hang out with their friends. As long as security cameras were installed.

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2013-04-08 18:21:21

Allena, the later pictures in the set are older photographs. The place has been updated since those pix were taken. For example, somebody removed the wallpaper from the grand foyer, praise the gods.

 
 
Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 12:03:43

Kenilworth is gorgeous, even better than Willamette apparently. Personally if I lived near Chitown, I’d want to be in Evanston.

Comment by MiddleCoaster
2013-04-08 12:29:59

But the People’s Republic of Evanston is overrun by the Gangster Disciples, at least the ‘bad’ neighborhoods.

Kenilworth is very wealthy, historically very anti-Semitic, and has absolutely no retail base for collection of sales tax. Nice place to bicycle through, as long as you obey all traffic laws.

Comment by joe smith
2013-04-08 13:45:16

So are you saying you won’t be at this year’s Kenilworth Union Church ladie’s deballage?

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Comment by MiddleCoaster
2013-04-08 20:22:02

They probably wouldn’t let me in. Just like the Onwentsia Club. :D

 
 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2013-04-08 12:58:52

The blurb about the new zoning laws restricting anything of this size from being built again was very interesting.

Comment by MiddleCoaster
2013-04-08 13:10:52

I saw it as a threat: “Don’t even think about tearing this place down!”.

 
 
 
Comment by (Now that I'm "diversified") Jetfixr
2013-04-08 10:44:41

Me thinks it is time to roll my 401K out of index funds, and into something else.

But what? Given the limited options of the 401K plan.

Banc de Serta?

Comment by Resistor
2013-04-08 11:43:01

“But what?”

Guns, gold, and God! Yee-haw!

Pow! Pow! Pow!

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2013-04-09 00:06:30

“Banc de Serta?”

Lol!

 
 
Comment by (Now that I'm "diversified") Jetfixr
2013-04-08 11:24:41

The news is saying Annette Funicello has passed away.

Really, the end of days must be near……….

Thanks Annette, for my lifetime fetish with Saddle Shoes :)

Comment by Resistor
2013-04-08 11:41:55

Hmm… maybe you are gay.

:grin:

JFWY

Comment by (Now that I'm "diversified") Jetfixr
2013-04-08 13:54:16

Favorite sign from this weekend………in front of a local “exotic entertainment” establishment.

“STRIPPERS WANTED………WILL TRAIN”

Why didn’t I think of that? Who knew it was that simple?

Craiglist Ad: “Free Stripper lessons…….I’ll bring the poles”

Sometimes I just kill myself…… :)

Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-04-08 14:05:45

I often see a Craigslist ad for ‘lingerie models- send photos’.

I wonder how often that works. Probably a lot.

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Comment by Resistor
2013-04-08 14:13:41
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Comment by aNYCdj
2013-04-08 15:23:56

why all all the naked protests so flat chested???????

 
Comment by hazard
2013-04-08 17:28:51

Putin is lucky he was there with Angela Merkel cause if it was Hillary Clinton she woulda knocked him on his @ss to get a glimpse of that.

Christina Aguilera, Hillary Clinton Shared ‘A Real Moment’
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/07/christina-aguilera-hillary-clinton-photo-real-moment_n_2258949.html - 184k -

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-08 22:56:05

Merkel looked disgusted, but Putin clearly was fascinated.

 
Comment by hazard
2013-04-09 05:28:23

“Merkel looked disgusted, but Putin clearly was fascinated.”

Not as fascinated as Hillary Clinton looked with Christina Aguilera.

 
 
 
 
Comment by MiddleCoaster
2013-04-08 11:48:49

Only 70 years old. :( In the space of a few days, we have lost Roger Ebert, Maggie Thatcher and now Annette. Yet my poor old Dad, age 92 in 2 weeks, is still around. What a world.

Comment by ahansen
2013-04-08 12:29:07

How unsurprising that Ronnie Reagan’s soulmate would also succumb to degenerative brain rot.

 
Comment by Steve J
2013-04-08 12:33:19

What tv show was he on?

Comment by ecofeco
2013-04-08 13:00:45

M-i-c-k-e-y…

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Comment by Salinasron
2013-04-08 13:22:37

My mom will be 95 this year.

Comment by MiddleCoaster
2013-04-08 15:02:13

What kind of mental and physical shape is she in? My father is severely impaired in both.

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Comment by ahansen
2013-04-08 13:03:55

Annette = Mickey Mouse Klub
Reagan = Death Valley Days
Thatcher = Spitting Image

Comment by hunkydory
2013-04-08 15:06:40

Allena your story is a top 50 Reddit post right now - you should do an AMA!

Comment by ahansen
2013-04-09 03:03:44

Heard about this from my son, and I ended up doing so. By the time I pooped out at 3 am, it was top of the page and at #84 all-time AMA, so I guess I know what I’m going to be doing tomorrow. Thanks for the heads up hunky!

A very interesting viral experience. My Amazon clicks went from several hundred to over 50,000 in less than four hours. Amazing stuff this internet thingy….

 
 
 
Comment by cactus
2013-04-08 13:21:48

Once more danger ahead

“Colony Capital LLC’s Tom Barrack said U.S. homes are in danger of becoming overvalued as low borrowing rates and an improving labor market fuel demand.

“We have asset bubbles for sure and asset bubbles are necessary when you don’t have growth” in the economy, Barrack, Colony’s founder and chairman, said today in an interview at the Bloomberg Doha Conference. “If you go to new homes, the builders have to buy lots, so the next stage we are going to see is a land boom.”

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke’s efforts to bolster the U.S. economy by buying mortgage bonds and pushing down borrowing costs has fueled demand for home purchases amid a tight inventory of properties for sale. Bernanke and his colleagues on the Federal Open Market Committee, who have held interest rates near zero since December 2008, last month pledged to press on with $85 billion in monthly bond purchases even as some Fed officials called for scaling back the record stimulus.

The S&P/Case-Shiller index of house prices in 20 U.S. cities rose in January by the most since June 2006, the group said March 26. JPMorgan Chase & Co. last month more than doubled its forecast for U.S. home-price gains this year to 7 percent, while Bank of America Corp. predicted an 8 percent jump as rising buyer demand combines with a shortage of inventory. “

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2013-04-08 13:35:26

“If you go to new homes, the builders have to buy lots, so the next stage we are going to see is a land boom.”

The most accurate predictions foretell what has already occurred.

P.S. Yes, I know farmland is “different,” except the mania driving up prices is due to the same credit bubble as for housing and residential building sites.

Iowa farm land average up 17 percent to $8,690 per acre
11:23 AM, Mar 28, 2013 | by Dan Piller

Iowa farm land values continued to boom through this winter with a new survey showing a 9.4 percent increase since last September and 17.7 Percent in the last 12 months to a state average of $8,690 per acre.

The new average is double the $4,208 per acre average in 2008.

“There is a lot of wealth out there,” said Kyle Hansen of Hertz Farm management.

Comment by Rental Watch
2013-04-08 15:20:14

“The most accurate predictions foretell what has already occurred.”

Residential land prices are in the midst of their run up right now in much of California. The jury is still out on how quickly they rise, or how high prices go.

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower©
2013-04-08 15:39:31

…not to mention how long they will remain elevated, particularly after the Fed eventually takes away the punch bowl.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2013-04-08 16:28:32

…or how quickly municipalities respond by approving additional land to develop into homes.

The pattern for San Diego (Per the Lincoln Institute of Land) was for a peak in 1990, trough in 1996, peak in 2006, trough in 2012.

Inland (San Bernardino) was similar, peak in 1990, trough in early 1997, peak in 2006, trough in early 2012.

 
Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-08 22:53:23

“The pattern for San Diego (Per the Lincoln Institute of Land) was for a peak in 1990, trough in 1996, peak in 2006, trough in 2012.”

I assume you have enough of a stat background to know that classical inferences from a sample size of one are generally useless.

A more promising way to proceed here is by subjective reasoning: Given that we are witnessing in real time the greatest housing bubble in the history of San Diego, California, the U.S., and the planet, do you really also believe that it is a normal cycle in terms of the amount of time it will take to go from peak to trough? ESPECIALLY given all the artificial intervention that was used to prop up the market!?

I certainly don’t.

 
 
 
Comment by Pimp Watch
2013-04-08 18:07:28

If it can’t yield a crop then it isn’t worth anything at all.

Comment by Combotechie
2013-04-08 20:17:56

If you have to pay taxes on then it just might be worth less than anything at all.

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Comment by ecofeco
2013-04-08 13:32:49

$1 TRILLION in student debt.

(that is all)

Comment by aNYCdj
2013-04-08 15:21:12

how many are paying it by living at home with mom and dad?

So if you are never going to need a security clearance, or never need to make a lot of money, then only realistic way to pay it off is when the parents die and you inherit the house and sell it.

I dont think Ohbewanna is smart enough to expand some kind of job corp where you do work get $10 hour and get $10K taken off your student loans each year.

Comment by albuquerquedan
2013-04-08 16:27:58

That is assuming the parents have not used up all the equity in the house.

Comment by Combotechie
2013-04-08 20:14:04

Think reverse mortgage.

No dollar shall be allowed to escape.

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Comment by hazard
2013-04-08 17:17:53

If my kids belong to the community and not to me, the community owes me about $500k.

New MSNBC promo: “We have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents”

Melissa Harris-Perry video

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/04/08/new-msnbc-promo-we-have-to-break-through-our-kind-of-private-idea-that-kids-belong-to-their-parents/ - -

 
Comment by hazard
2013-04-08 17:56:37

Man gets shock of his life when he buys two toy poodles for $150 only to be told by a vet that they are actually GIANT RODENTS pumped up with steroids to look like dogs

By James Nye
PUBLISHED: 08:44 EST, 7 April 2013

Gullible bargain hunters at Argentina’s largest bazaar are forking out hundreds of dollars for what they think are gorgeous toy poodles, only to discover that their cute pooch is in fact a ferret pumped up on steroids.

One retired man from Catamarca, duped by the knock-down price for a pedigree dog, became suspicious he had bought what Argentinians call a ‘Brazilian rat’ and when he returned home took the ‘dogs’ to a vet for their vaccinations.

Imagine his surprise when his suspicious were confirmed - he had in fact purchased two ferrets that had been given steroids at birth to increase their size and then had some extra grooming to make their coats resemble a fluffy toy poodle.

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Previously considered an urban legend of the giant La Salada market, local television news in the capital, Buenos Aires, discovered that the unidentified man was not alone - another woman had been told that she was buying a Chiuhuahua, but ended up with a ferret.

Both the woman and the retired man have not filed complaints.
Typically, toy poodle puppies cost upwards of $1,000 in the United States and a ferret will usually set someone back around $75.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2305310/Man-gets-shock-life-buys-toy-poodles-150-told-vet-actually-GIANT-RATS-pumped-steroids-look-like-dogs.html - -

Comment by Cantankerous Intellectual Bomb Thrower™
2013-04-08 22:47:08

Ewe’ve been conned ladies
Wool I never … lamb with poodle trim, like the ‘dog’ bought by film actress Maiko, inset
VIRGINIA WHEELER
Last Updated: 04th October 2007

THOUSANDS of rich women were conned by a firm into believing LAMBS were valuable miniature POODLES.

Entire flocks were imported to Japan from the UK and Australia then sold by the internet company as the latest “must have” pet.

The bizarre scam was rumbled when Japanese movie star Maiko Kawakami complained on a talk show that her new poodle refused to bark or eat dog food.

She showed photos of the animal and was devastated when told that it was a lamb.

Hundreds of women contacted police to say that they had also been sold lambs instead of pedigree pups by the tricksters based in Sapporo, Japan.

Cops believe that up to 2,000 people across the country had been swindled in the same way. One couple found out the truth only after a dog beautician told them that she could not trim their poodle’s claws — because they were HOOVES.

The company, whose name translated as Poodles As Pets, has now been shut down.

 
 
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Comment by ?
2013-04-09 18:51:40

How much do you think NAR and MBA pay the owner of Patrick.net?

 
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