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Keep denying reality and then claims others are nut cases:

http://www.ruthfullyyours.com/2010/12/08/pew-poll-majority-of-muslims-favor-death-for-apostates/

Links to loony conspiracy sites are less than convincing… unless you’re a loon.

It is a PEW poll so Amazing denial you are going to have to find another line of attack.

But if you want to go to the source: http://www.pewresearch.org/daily-number/stoning-adulterers/

Interestingly, you do raise a point. Why is it that only “right wing” sites bothered to address the results of this poll? Why do left wing sites just repeat the blather that there are Christian nuts and Muslim nuts there is no difference? The evidence is clear, while in the Christian community we are talking about far less than 1% of the population, in Muslim counties we are often talking about 50% or more of the population that are prepared to kill people that convert or they perceive as insulting their religion. They have no place in a civilized society.

…and when PEW says something you don’t agree with, they’re loons, aren’t they?

Go take your blood pressure medicine and enjoy some fox news to recharge your panic.

Do knee jerk liberals have any analytical skills? I may disagree with the margin of error in a Pew poll from time to time but I have never consider them loons. BTW, I have blood pressure of about 116/74 without any medication. I did not panic when the attack occurred because I knew it would happen again because Islam has been at war with non-Muslims for 1500 years and the cease fire for 100 years only occurred because they knew we had the power to destroy all their holy sites if they got out of line. We still have the power but not the will so they no longer fear us. In that region it is far better to be feared than to be loved and far easier to accomplish.

First, I’m not a liberal. I’m a libertarian… not that you knee jerk neocon kooks know the difference.

Secondly, what has done more damage to America? A few muslim kooks that killed a tiny fraction of the population, or hysterical loons that supported two disastrous wars and bankrupted us to Make America Safe?

Isn’t one of the neocon mantras “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people”? Yet you’re here telling us all that books kill people.

Cowardice like yours is destroying America. You are playing the terrorized, cowering patsy to a T, and giving the terrorists EXACTLY what they want. Is it any wonder you lash out whenever somebody shows a tiny shred of courage?

Exactly Dan…or i so crudely put it we Americans are Gutless to fight a religious Jihad…..we need to aim at the mosques and the holy sites and leave innocent people alone.

and the cease fire for 100 years only occurred because they knew we had the power to destroy all their holy sites if they got out of line. We still have the power but not the will so they no longer fear us.

That’s it. Blow up their churches. That’ll calm them down. If anything calms down Sky Wizard believers, it’s destruction of their holy relics.

Because mosques are just chock full of terrorists… and if we blow up the mosques there will be no more terrorism.

Pushing a button to send a missile does not involve courage.

Well were there any terrorists who were atheists? You would take out the mosques when they are empty We should have taken out the ayatollahs not saddam or kadaffi

I don’t know of any terrorist atheists. Maybe we should purge the planet of all Sky Wizard followers.

russ…maybe they will spend their energy and MONEY on rebuilding them….

They want the destruction of jews well lets destroy islam …fair is fair…`

Bill Ayers? Unabomber?

Yea like there were no communist terrorists. It does not courage to do nothing but put your head in the sand and pretend nothing is wrong. That is exactly what people did during the rise of Hitler and that worked out well didn’t it?

‘lets destroy islam’

‘Al-Araqib, Israel - Hakmeh Abu Mdeighem sat quietly on a cement cinderblock last Wednesday, looking out across a small valley at where, moments earlier, Israeli police bulldozers had turned a handful of tents and shacks into piles of sandy rubble. The 49th demolition of the Bedouin village of Al-Araqib had just ended, and Abu Mdeighe, a mother of nine, spoke unflinchingly.’

“One feels that one doesn’t live in one’s own country anymore. One feels that a continuous war is going on between him and Israel. This is a war that Israel wages against us everything month,” she said. “What can we do when the state comes and fights you inside your own house, on your own ground, when it destroys your house on the heads of your sons?”

‘Abu Mdeighem, her husband and her children, live inside the village’s century-old Islamic cemetery. The burial ground is the only place in Al-Araqib that has never been demolished. It is here that the handful of families who remain now call home. “They threatened to destroy the cemetery before this,” Abu Mdeighem said.’

‘According to Israeli historian Ilan Pappe, the JNF has built national parks - made up primarily of European-style conifers, instead of trees indigenous to the area - over destroyed Palestinian villages since the creation of Israel in 1948. “Wherever almond and fig trees, olive groves or clusters of cactuses are found, there once stood a Palestinian village: still blossoming afresh each year, these trees are all that remain. Near the now-uncultivated terraces, and under the swings and picnic tables, and the European pine forests, there lie buried the houses and fields of the Palestinians whom Israeli troops expelled in 1948,” Pappe wrote in the book, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.’

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/04/2013415141817288270.html

Isn’t one of the neocon mantras “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people”? Yet you’re here telling us all that books kill people.

Amazing denial, the pen is more mighty than the sword, Mein Kampt?, the Communist Manifesto and the Koran have each killed millions by influencing people to do savage things. The importance of Christianity in creating respect for individual rights, the basis of your claimed libertarian views, was well recognized by people such as Alexis De Tocqueville when people such as Lenin and Hitler turned their backs on their Christian heritage tens of millions died. I am far from a neocon since I oppose trying to impose democracy in an area that is hostile to it. I favor containment and support of anyone that is not hostile to us and will keep our children safe.

“The importance of Christianity in creating respect for individual rights, the basis of your claimed libertarian views,”

Horse pucky. Talk to the Phelps clan about that respect, or any other teabilly fringers who want to take back their Christian nation and make me go to their church or shriek about how my sins are bringing god’s vengeance upon our nation.

“keep our children safe”

It’s always “for the children” with you people isn’t it. Whenever you’re cornered, the children card comes out. If I don’t agree with you, I want to kill children.

You want to save children? Rant about highway safety. Orders of magnitude more children are killed on the highway than are killed by terrorists.

Wonder why nobody agrees with you but other addled old men? It’s not a conspiracy. The only part of your brain that works anymore is the amygdala. Anybody with a non-diseased brain can see that you’re ruled by fear, not reason. You don’t think, you cower and gibber in fear, laying blame and preaching doom.

In 30 years, when my brain has rotted out. I’ll probably be exactly the same. It won’t make me right, but I’ll fervently believe I am.

“the cease fire for 100 years only occurred because they knew we had the power to destroy all their holy sites if they got out of line. our oil is under their sand.”

Amazing denial you sound more angry than I do, your hatred of Christianity is going to eat you up.

Oxide they are Chechen, we have had no role in their country and certainly have not sought any oil from there.

“The evidence is clear, while in the Christian community we are talking about far less than 1% of the population, in Muslim counties we are often talking about 50% or more of the population that are prepared to kill people that convert or they perceive as insulting their religion.”

Doesn’t it depend on whether the women agree to cover their entire bodies when venturing out in public, and to forgo any efforts to educate themselves or to establish a degree of independence from their husbands/masters/owners?

“If anything calms down Sky Wizard believers, it’s destruction of their holy relics.”

LOLSEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

“Amazing denial, the pen is more mighty than the sword, Mein Kamptf?”

It’s far mightier if you spell check your posts!

“…our oil is under their sand.”

I’m guessing we could focus on oil extraction and stop wasting so much of our precious national resources on drone production if the terrorists would stop interfering with our access to their oil.

It is easier just to cut and paste. Right CBIT?

Not hatred of Christianity, disgust for those who misrepresent his message in his name. Tribal animosities in the ME were just as intense 2000 years ago as they are today. Maybe Christ had a point with that whole forgiveness thing?

“It is easier just to cut and paste. Right CBIT?”

I don’t post links because it is easier to post that way; it actually takes effort to find interesting articles and post links to them.

It’s far easier to throw out hare-brained conspiracy theories and hope somebody will take interest.

I posted the source and explained the importance of facts. I even left out that originally we were told about the dark skinned suspect, certainly did not see that in the two brothers . It is funny that time and time again my predictions come true, like the deportation and what would happen in the Middle East due to the “Arab Spring”. You can call them hare brained theories all you want since that is all you can do in the end cut and paste and make personal attacks on people since you cannot come up with an original thought.

Judging by the replies to my posts compared to yours I say they do take notice. And my predictions on what would happen in Libya and Egypt were spot on despite the heat I took when I wrote them. That is the interesting thing, time and time again I have been trashed for my opinions only to have my beliefs become the norm on this blog. When I first started to post that the Fed policies under Obama would lead to just the rich making a full recovery and the rest left with higher prices for everything you were the first to attack me when you called yourself professor Bear. Of course, that is the key for you, any attack on Obama or his policies is hare-brained.

“That is the interesting thing, time and time again I have been trashed for my opinions only to have my beliefs become the norm on this blog.”

Such as your died-in-the-wool belief that gold always goes up?

Indians make the most as gold prices crash
Reuters Apr 19, 2013, 04.59PM IST

SINGAPORE: Gold retailers struggled to cope this week as parents buying dowries, casual shoppers and tourists snapped up bars, coins, nuggets and jewellery as a slump in the price of the yellow metal released years of pent-up retail demand.

The price decline in the past week, the steepest in 30 years, has tarnished gold’s appeal for the portfolio investors whose money had fuelled a 12-year bull run. As investors rush out, consumers that were priced out of the market for years have rushed in.
…

Such as your died-in-the-wool belief that gold always goes up?

No, I think it was his steadfast belief that Romney was a shoe-in that really made us aware of his amazing predictive powers.

I have never had the belief that gold or silver has always goes up and in fact I have told people numerous times to protect themselves from manipulated declines.

Sorry Alpha never said Romney was a shoe in just that the election was not over in January like most of this board. Stated that the election was too close to call. Funny this board including you said that the Republicans would cave on the sequester and I was one of the few that said they would not.

AQDan- We all heard your Romney victory predictions. You can’t change the facts to suit yourself, and then demand we acknowledge your brilliance.

You cannot change the fact that the day before the election I said it was too close to call and I never said he was going to win. I only posted the results of Rasmussen polls. You can try to rewrite history but you cannot show one complete post by me when I said Romney was going to win.

Weasel, weasel, weasel. Then move the goal posts in retrospect to suit your goofy “predictions”.

Maybe we should conduct a poll of the board here to see what folks remember of your sureity?

No, I think it was his steadfast belief that Romney was a shoe-in that really made us aware of his amazing predictive powers.

Ouch!

I only posted the results of Rasmussen polls.

You forgot to mention the endless blathering about how Rasmussen polls were best.

Maybe you’d like 72 Virgils instead? The translation isn’t clear, so I’m sure there’s some leeway.

There is now and has only ever been ONE true Virgil. He and the Million Dollar Man Ted DeBiase shall be properly worshipped at all times.

“Maybe you’d like 72 Virgils instead? The translation isn’t clear, so I’m sure there’s some leeway.”

Classic!

Your numbers are wrong and you missed the fact that the debt was canceled and buried on Son 3’s balance sheet forever. But otherwise I agree with your answers.

It’s possible to learn this if you can admit when you were wrong.

Got it. Same here in suburban Boston you can rent here for less but not 50% less.

I agree for my area also. No way you can rent comparable for much less, especially not 50% less. BUT rather than viewing those posts as true in fact, I’ve come to think he’s just trying to make the point to counteract the NAR crowd shills by balancing out the absurdity. You should no more believe the propagandist NAR shills and their figures that they put out with little care for the truth as long as its serves the buy buy buy now now now agenda.

Of course there is a difference between BS and HS.

I’m not in market for house. I pulled ad couple days ago when fatigued from the usual reflexive “Rent for half of ‘owning’ trope I see here too often;…

Did you take any grade school English classes before acceptance into medical school?

Tactic 1 from the Losing Debater’s Manual: Ad Hominem Insult: “When lacking anything of substance to offer in debate, engage in Ad Hominem insult, to endeavor to distract”.

Neat

With housing prices grossly inflated and falling, why buy? Rent for half the costs and buy later after prices crater for 65% less.

Cool?

Rent costs more than “owning”.

Luv it

Cool.

Enjoy your losses.

Tactic 3 from the Losing Debater’s Manual: “Straw Man”

What are you losses up to now?

You don’t get it. You don’t have moral fiber to.

You don’t have moral fiber to.

I blame flouridation.

Now you’ll have to sell your shanty and move to another town that doesn’t halogenize their potable supply. But here’s your problem…..

You can’t find a buyer without bringing a $200k check to closing

Rent costs more than “owning”. Weird…

Who would this check be for?

“You don’t have moral fiber to.”

Bad Syntax.

Straw Man.

Ad Hominem.

cool…

And the check you have to bring to closing to get out from under your rapidly depreciating house? $300k? 400k? More?

Tactic 3 from the Losing Debater’s Manual: Straw Man

What’s a strawman??

Tactic 7… again… already?

Excellent

Like a scarecrow? Kinda?

Tactic 7… again… already… again?

Point of order here:

Answering your own question, that’s a new tactic, right?

While today’s students could not find either one on a map, they have been taught and believe that they will all die due to AGW.

There always has been and always will be “losers”, we can’t prevent that but we can reduce our chance of bomb attacks by keeping people out of this country from countries that believe it is correct to kill someone that converts from Islam.

Would you have said the same thing if it was southern tea billy or a ron paul ararchist? I am pretty sure the narratives would have been much different.

Loser is someone who steals grandma’s savings to finance his drug habits.

Loser is someone who punches a kid for his lunch money.

When you cross the line and actually kill or maim hundreds, you are not a loser anymore.

How not to be a loser: Blow up a bunch of people.

Would you have said the same thing if it was southern tea billy or a ron paul ararchist? I am pretty sure the narratives would have been much different.

I would look at polls about the number of tea billies or Ron Paul supporters that support violence to advance their agenda. I would look whether there was a history of violent attacks. Consequently, I would determine that we were dealing with a couple of nuts and not a movement that was a threat to the country. The history of Islam is quite different and much more like the history of the Nazis. Now, would you advocate the US allowing people that believe in the policies of Adolph Hitler into this country?

Losers are not charged with materially supporting a FOREIGN terrorist organization, which is what this guy will likely be charged with. This isn’t just a couple of domestic losers, could be any kid gone wrong types.

Yes, it will be a blow to Muslim relations because those guys are radical jihadis. No amount of pretending otherwise is going to change that. Unfortunately, that is the reality of that religion today. Some significant percentage, and people can argue on it, are radical jihadi types or sympathetic thereto.

You could be a muslim and not part of the jihad, right? A muslim on his own can decide it’s a go time for him outside of the political cause, can’t he?

“Would you have said the same thing if it was southern tea billy or a ron paul ararchist? ”

As one of those “Ron Paul Anarchists”, I probably would have.

Of course you can be a muslin and not a jihadi. That’s why I said it was some percentage, not all. But those guys are jihadis. They didn’t decide on their own it was go time. They were following the words of some radical cleric like al alawki, who they bought into, telling them it was their duty.

Once again the Muslim community has a chance to respond with sincere condemnation. Will they or will they do what I normally see and immediately change the topic to how they are being profiled and persecuted.

“charged with materially supporting a FOREIGN terrorist organization”

Why would they charge him with something like that? That is what they charge you with when all they can prove you did was be a chauffeur for someone they want to know more about. This kid killed a few people and injured many others in an attempt to kill them. Believe me, they have plenty of real charges that will stick without resorting to the ones they use to indefinitely hold the guy who washes the dishes and maybe heard a bunch of gossip.

“ut those guys are jihadis. They didn’t decide on their own it was go time. They were following the words of some radical cleric like al alawki, who they bought into, telling them it was their duty.”

Where did you get this choice piece of info? Spirit messages?

You should alert the FBI immediately!

Spirit messages?

Is that what we call the neo-con propaganda these days? LOL

They have lots of charges, but those that carry the DP are much more limited. It will be another barrel in the gun.

People who actually have ties to foreign terrorist organizations are much more valuable alive than dead. No one who cares about any network he might possibly be connected to (if any) wants him dead. And he is 19. Can you imagine that life in prison - possibly solitary confinement - is more scary to him than a needle? His parents don’t live here any more. His brother is dead. His uncle denounced him on TV. He is as isolated as they come. He will spend a very long life eagerly awaiting the days that someone from the FBI comes to visit. They will be the highlights of his existence.

I agree Polly. I think we killed McVeigh much too quickly. Not that he did not deserve to die but because he probably knew much more than we learned. While any idiot can make a fertilizer bomb, both the power and the perfect placement of his bomb suggested a lot of help.

Its a book! Books are DANGEROUS, and should only be sold after a background check. Books with more than 50 pages should only be allowed for military applications.

Islam still has a long way to go before it can catch up to Catholics on the body count.

Religion of peace? Does such a thing exist? Perhaps Buddhist? But, with few exceptions, the worst atrocities in the history of man have been directly caused or significantly influenced by religion.

Religion is, IMHO, the most destructive force that has ever been released on man. If you believe that you can live forever, or that someone can get you a ticket to heaven, you’re willing to do anything; absolutely anything, to get there.

If you believe that this life is the only one we’ve got; when you die it goes black and that’s pretty much it… You develop a far more profound respect for the world, yourself, and others around you.

Shoot, taken to it’s logical conclusion, with most religions, you’re doing someone a favor by coming up behind them and putting a bullet into them. Then they can stop the suffering and go straight to heaven. That’s the thing that makes no sense what-so-ever about religion (and why, IMHO, almost everyone; even those who “believe” don’t REALLY believe). When a child is born, the logical course of action is to get them baptized and then kill them off before they’ve had a chance to sin. Straight to the promised land.

Another one that I always love is ask a member of most major religions what happens to those in remote parts of the world that were never exposed to the “right” religion; are the automatically doomed to hell? The answer is “No, they never had a chance and therefore get a pass straight to heaven”. Well, if you believe that, the WORST thing you could possibly do is to tell anyone about your religion. You may have doomed me to an eternity in hell because I choose to stop and talk to you? Man, that’s some seriously bad karma.

Oh, and, BTW, in case anyone is interested in hedging their bets.. Become Jewish. Most of the Christ based religions have an exception for Jews (automatic to heaven). So, IMHO, that’s the best possible chance for eternal salvation, it’s like playing 10 hands at the same time; one is likely to hit.

Islam still has a long way to go before it can catch up to Catholics on the body count.

Complete garbage. Show me any source that claims that.

Stalin killed more people than anyone in history and Mao was a close second. Both were communists and hated religion. They probably killed by a factor of ten or more, more people than all the wars over religion combined.

Hitler hated both Jews and Christianity since it was based on a Jewish religion. His SS troops were taught the ancient German pagan beliefs so maybe he is push since he believed in pagan religions. But it certainly was not due to Christianity which Hitler turned his back on in its youth so he could carry out is mad man attack on Jews.

Sorry, it is the people that do not believe that they have to answer for anything after death that can do anything they want. There is a strong correlation in this country between the decline in Christian belief and a rise in dishonesty.

“Sorry, it is the people that do not believe that they have to answer for anything after death that can do anything they want. ”

How many atheists you see strapping bombs on themselves and blowing up innocent people?

“There is a strong correlation in this country between the decline in Christian belief and a rise in dishonesty.”

The lack of Christian belief has very little to do with the rise in dishonestly. Some of the most honest people I deal with are atheist/agnostic. The death of the American dream; get rich at all costs culture is to blame for what you’re seeing. Nobody cares what your religious beliefs are. The country has become fascinated with the celebrity of wealth; that’s what you are seeing today.

What does a Muslim look like? We’ll see what comes out in the coming days. Usually the media has it all screwed up anyway.

Just for clarity, I don’t know anything. I’m just speculating that I’m right just like you are doing. You don’t want to believe this is Islamic jihadism and are happy to credit what helps your view and discount what doesn’t. I’m doing the same thing.

But if I’m right, I’ll also be right about the Muslim community failing to sincerely condemn and change the topic. It has been their biggest mistake IMHO since 9/11 in not carving those aholes out for the condemnation they deserve.

Exactly. And that is why we should not allow any more immigrant in to we develop better methods to screen immigrants.

Immigrants into the country until we lose our PC view of Islam.

Here is a conspiracy theory for you, Ben:

Don’t discount the possibility that 2banana and others posting conspiracy theories here are merely doing the work somebody paid them to do in order to discredit the HBB as a “conspiracy theory blog.”

‘conspiracy theory blog’

That’s what trolls (and some in the media) were saying in 2005. I believe in free speech. But it is interesting that people here and everywhere openly discuss bombing this or that, but meaning the US government doing it. It’s OK if the CIA blows up a wedding.

Ben in any war you try to take out the command and control first. If the command and control center is a Mosque and the leader is a Mullah, is the mosque not a legitimate target? Islam is both a religion and a political system. Until we understand that we will not find an effective method to contain the terrorists.

“I believe in free speech.”

As do I. Though I often recall the voice of my sixth-grade teacher pointing out to our class that people who too often abuse their freedoms risk losing them.

But she grew up in McCarthy-era Minnesota, so perhaps I should stop worrying so much about what she told us so long ago.

“I remember the stigma slapped on the area after JFK was assassinated. Were people in Texas responsible? Or Republicans that had previously been critical of the President?”

Were the Germans living in WWII Germany responsible for Hitler?

They were according to the adults in the corner of Flyover Country America where I grew up. And I can recall some kids in my grade school class whose idea of the worst possible insult was to call somebody a Nazi.

ARE YOU PEOPLE DENSE?

Ben just asked you NICELY to STFU with the hate rhetoric and you go right ahead and throw it back in his face.

Here’s something for you to mull quietly:

What did Timothy McVeigh have in common?
What did Eric Rudolph have in common?
What did George Metesky have in common?
What did Ted Kaczynsky have in common?
What did Bernadette Dorhn have in common?
Then there are the All-American shooters.

And if you don’t think American christianists have issued a fatwa, talk to any OBGYN who performs second trimester D&C’s.

The true infidels in this scenario are the creeps who pump their gonads by advocating that we bomb people’s holy places, then denegrate a billion faithful with self-serving and hypocritical misinterpretations of their intent.

Shameful. You embarrass our blog.

The true infidels in this scenario are the creeps who pump their gonads by advocating that we bomb people’s holy places, then denegrate a billion faithful with self-serving and hypocritical misinterpretations of their intent.

There own beliefs denigrate their religion. When 80% + of the faithful believe that anyone that converts from their religion should be killed then anyone that respects that religion is shameful and an embarrassment to the blog.

There =their. A Hansen why don’t you address the results of the Pew poll? How do you defend those beliefs and why would you want people that think like that in our country?

‘When 80% + of the faithful believe that anyone that converts from their religion should be killed’

If that were true we’d have IED’s blowing up in the US several times a week.

‘then anyone that respects that religion is shameful and an embarrassment to the blog’

I’m agnostic and came to believe that most organized religion is basically the equivalent of snake-handling, who are Christians, BTW. I said it yesterday; what are you going to do? Keep GITMO open a few more years? Shoot up a wedding in Pakistan? Meanwhile, we are circling the bowl financially. We’ve borrow billions every week from the Chinese, while we pretend to be shifting to an “Asian strategy” to contain - the Chinese. It would be absolutely comical if it wasn’t so pathetic.

We’re so broke and weak, we don’t dare send millions of illegals back home because (we’re told) we don’t want more expensive hamburgers! Then the central bank (who answers to no one) prints trillions of dollars so we’ll have a little inflation. Boy, we are a real mickey mouse operation.

Pull a Pew poll of rural Rescue America (Christians, btw) and I’ll bet 80% of its members believe that abortion providers and those who support them should put to death, too. You yourself have implied as much about Muslim leaders on numerous occasions right here on this blog.

Why should rural Egyptians feel any differently about the good “christians” who bomb their brothers’ weddings or drone their funerals?

What matters is:
A. What American Muslims think (Hint: My Muslim internist isn’t going to jihad me when I go in for my annual checkup.)
B. How the governments of predominently Muslim countries behave toward the US on US soil.

There will always be intolerance and ignorance amongst the ill-educated and socially disenfranchised. I refuse to paint all Christians as evil just because Fred Phelps is a screaming asshat or Eric Rudolph blows up doctors’ offices with doctors in them.

Everything has to run it’s course. America is not ready for change. One company owner recently told me in an informal chat that “we are becoming European”. Asked the basis for this assertion, he said “people are no longer going to church”. So becoming an atheist is considered European. Well that is progress I think.

Europe turned after the two wars. The great depression has nothing on the wars.

Progress? Europe is broke. Some would say both morally and fiscally bankrupt.

Pull a Pew poll of rural Rescue America (Christians, btw) and I’ll bet 80% of its members believe that abortion providers and those who support them should put to death, too. You yourself have implied as much about Muslim leaders on numerous occasions right here on this blog.

My god what percentage of all Christians is Rescue America. Please show me any poll that shows any significant number of Christians that support putting people that support abortion to death. It is too idiotic a statement to not back up with a link.

A link? A LINK!? Truly your reading comprehension skills are staggering.

Do you seriously not understand that the results of any given poll are dependent upon what demographic is being polled and to what end?

Seven rural population samples do not a diaspora define. You do recall that your polls “predicted” Romney in a rout, right? Or maybe that was just your faulty interpretation based on selection bias….

You are (once again) trying to defend the indefensible.

So like always you have nothing to support your idiotic statements?

Ye gads man, is your Asperbergers really that bad? Here, I’ll make it really simple for you.

“(If) you pull a poll of rural Rescue America…(then) I’ll bet 80% of its members believe that abortion providers and those who support them should put to death, too.”

Note: Operation Rescue is one of those amorphous religious-ish entities that doesn’t keep records or literal membership rolls, so it would be kind of hard for PEW to actually poll them, rather like polling the ALF (that’s Animal Liberation Front) — but then, that was sort of my point.

Note: Operation Rescue is one of those amorphous religious-ish entities that doesn’t keep records or literal membership rolls, so it would be kind of hard for PEW to actually poll them, rather like polling the ALF (that’s Animal Liberation Front) — but then, that was sort of my point.

Can you clarify this for me? I feel like you’re saying “If you can find the right group (the one that believes doctors who perform abortions should be put to death) then you’ll get a poll that Christians believe abortion doctors should be put to death (tautological). Then you go on to say it would be kind of hard to do this because Rescue America doesn’t have member lists.

I don’t understand how this is germane. Are you implying that Pew self-selected a group of people to poll - which you state is hard to do - to get the results they were looking for? This is possible, but I doubt that Pew did that. Their group appeared to be Muslims, not a hard-to-gather selection of people they a priori knew would give them the results they wanted. If they selected a random group of Muslims in Egypt, for example, and got this number why would it be 80%? Dan is mocking your answer because you’re comparing apples to oranges. He’s stating that the Pew poll is random Muslims and you’re replying that if you poll people who think abortion doctors should be killed then you’ll get the same kinda results. Dan (and I) want to know what results you’d get if you ask random Christians…

‘When 80% + of the faithful believe that anyone that converts from their religion should be killed’

If that were true we’d have IED’s blowing up in the US several times a week.

I my humble opinion this isn’t a fair conclusion to draw and blowing up IEDs in the US doesn’t seem to relate to the idea of executing a Muslim for renouncing Islam. It’s very easy to find stories about people being put to death for renouncing their religion in the Middle East, so it must happen. According to the Pew poll, 80% of the Muslims support it.

I also think it’s quite easy to support something but not actually be a trigger puller - especially when there’s some other nut who will pull the trigger.

It’s like they’re exploding every other day! How WILL America survive this relentless onslaught?

There only not happening everyday since we have been aggressively stopping their plots. Finding more effective policies such as tougher immigration requirements is only common sense although it does not appear too common with you.

So we stop mooslem plots every day now! Why do we not see this on the news every day? Another Fartbongo conspiracy?

How do know there’s a network in Boston? It could just be that these two brothers came up with the idea on their own and executed without any assistance? Why can’t you wait until the facts come out?

Because MOOOSLEMS! Can’t you see we’re all in danger! Verdict first, trial later.

Did you live in Cali? If I remember right you moved out to new mexico maybe 5 years ago?

How do you like it in new mexico? would you rather live in AZ?

I have never lived in CA but have friends in the bay area and San Diego and I am a member of the CA bar. I like northern Arizona more than NM, but the housing costs are far lower in NM and my employer pays equally in both areas.

I do enjoy NM. I love the natural beauty, the history and the interesting collection of peoples and cultures. However, it is hard to compete with the Flagstaff/Sedona area and I like college towns and Flagstaff is one.

‘it is hard to compete with the Flagstaff/Sedona area’

Just bring your job with you.

Maybe it is because we dismiss the brothers as losers but an arrest of a well connected Saudi would raise the question of whether it is a war with Islam and not a few nuts?

It is interesting how quickly the Saudi with the burnt hands, who was asking why another bomb did not go off and then was tackled by a bystander due to his suspicious behavior, has disappeared from the news’ cycle.

Can you please point me to some root sources for this story? I tried to track down a source for some other story and ended up in a circular reference with nobody credible in the loop.

nobody credible in the loop.

It’s not credible. It’s only credible to neocons because he was much darker than rest and of course he is a Saudi. Saudi in a marathon, he must be a terririst.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309570/Boston-Marathon-bombing-suspect-Police-raid-home-linked-burned-Saudi-student-acting-suspiciously.html

In that article you learn that he had burns of his hands. It does not say he had burns anywhere else just his hands. That is consistent with someone is planting a bomb that malfunctions. Second we learn that he was asking a police officer about a second bomb and why it did not go off which suggest knowledge of the bombing plan. Third someone at the scene thought he was acting suspicious enough to tackle him and face possible prosecution for assault and civil damages.
I also posted two days before the Drudge report that I heard on the BBC that he came from a politically well connected family and I guessed that he would just be put on a plane back to SA. Two days later the Drudge report link said he was being deported for national security reasons. Hardly a tin hat theory, these facts raise serious questions.

You think Jihadists would not decide to rent? Hell if they could find a place offering the first month for free they could walk away or be blown away without paying any rent. Might have trouble getting the cleaning deposit back though.

Rent-to-own?

That’s my theory too. The hedgies know a good scam when they see one.

I’m guessing in at least some cases, these firms are systemically risky, and hence qualify for too-big-to-fail bailouts in case their foolish gambles blow up.

That’s just a well-educated guess, based on the absence of evidence that anything has substantially changed since Fall 2008.

I believe it was the Manhatten Fund, in the go-go years of the Sixties, that was a mutual fund that specialized in buying large positions in small companies.

Buying up lots of stock in a small company will make the price of the stock go up. Making the price of the stock go up increases the price (and the value) of the mutual fund because the value of the mutual fund is determined by the price of all the stocks held by the fund.

A mutual fund that has a rising value attracts lots of new money. If this new money is then invested in more shares of the stock the fund is already invested in then the price of these stocks will go up even furthur. Because price equals value the value of the mutual fund will then go up some more. And because the value went up some more the attraction for new money will intensify.

The Manhatten Fund was hot during the runup but was not so much afterward. I can’t remember if the price ever reached zero but I believe it was headed in that direction.

Correction: It wasn’t The Manhattan Fund, it was another fund - a fund run by Fred Carr (of Executive Life fame) - but I can’t remember the name of the fund.

For a fun read Wiki-up “Executive Life”.

I figure most females are smart enough to avoid dumb investing moves that many guys are prone to making…

Sorry if I don’t want to include people that want to kill me or people that will be a burden on the country for generations.

“I guarantee that Blackstone et al. will get some sort of government bribe/help, but it won’t stop the crash from happening when it happens.”

Agreed. But it will dump the losses onto someone else (most likely the Fed’s printing press will mop up the mess, the way it is currently through MBS purchases…).

That wasn’t an attack.

But your thin skin is showing.

It was sarcasm and the comment was not directed at me. Your analytical skills are showing.

Don’t bother to argue with a troll. By the end of the argument, you both will smell bad, and the troll will enjoy it.

Losses as a result of paying a grossly inflated price for a rapidly depreciating asset from which you’ll never recover isn’t bad? Really?

Tactic 3 again from the Losing Debater’s Manual: Straw Man

Can hay be substituted for straw?

Tactic 3 again from the Losing Debater’s Manual: Straw Man.

“Can hay be substituted for straw?”

BS certainly can be substituted for manure…and mactrollboy has served up a great abundance of both today.

Yeah I saw a similar comment that the reverse of the Hunt brothers is possibly what is brewing.

Kitco has a cool link on historical gold data. From the year graphs I noted the sellofs.

Spring and summer sellofs

2006: $725 in late May. Dropped to $575 in mud June. “uh oh, gold is over with” - ended up for the year at $625

2007: $675 in April. Down to $650 but finished the year at $860

2008: $1000 march 8 down to $850 June 8. Major rise and all later as the financial meltdown and stock collapse occurred. Gold managed to finish slightly up for the year.

2009: $1000 late May (”gold or AR15?…hmm) down to $900 july. Finished the year at $1100

2010: $1250 late June down to $1150 late July. Finished the year at $1375

2011: $1550 down to $1500 (twice late spring into summer) finished the year at $1600

2012: $1800 in March dropped to $1550 in May finished the year at $1650.

2013:?