May 10, 2013

The Sequel Looks To Beat The Original

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Southwest Florida is one of the best real estate markets in the country for property flippers to make quick money with homes in demand and prices rising — beating out other housing hot spots like San Francisco, Cape Coral and San Diego, according to RealtyTrac. ‘A bunch of things have come together, and there’s this window of opportunity right now for people who can buy homes in bulk, turn around and flip them,’ said Sean Snaith, an economist with the University of Central Florida.”

“While interest rates are at their lowest level in 65 years and home values are starting to creep up, there are still ’strong headwinds’ slowing the housing market recovery in Maine and the nation, according to Frank Nothaft, chief economist for Freddie Mac who spoke Wednesday morning in South Portland. In Freddie Mac’s loan portfolio, 55.3 percent of homeowners said unemployment or curtailment of income was the hardship reason that led to foreclosure proceedings, Nothaft said.”

“‘There are a large group of people who might be potential home buyers, but they don’t have any income, they don’t have a job, and nowadays if you’re unemployed you’re unable to buy a home,’ Nothaft said, pausing a second for effect. ‘The market has changed a bit from a few years ago.’”

“Home repossessions more than doubled last year to a record 43,853 from 2011, according to the National Workers’ Housing Fund Institute, or Infonavit, the state-backed lender responsible for about 70 percent of mortgages in Mexico. The fallout is also costing homebuilder industry workers like Noemi Rodriguez and her family. The Homex saleswoman said she’s owed more than 50,000 pesos by the company for commissions earned and has stopped receiving benefits.”

“Rodriguez said she and her husband, Alvaro Calva, bought a house in Homex’s La Esmeralda development about 55 kilometers from Mexico’s central plaza. Residents there face water shortages, electricity outages and security concerns due to vacant or unfinished homes, she said. Calva, who along with the couple’s 20-year-old son Gabriel is also a Homex sales representative, said in an interview that the company ‘can’t fail because it’s so big.’”

“The Iranian property developer looked down at photographs of a Tehran apartment block on his tablet computer. The pictures showed the lavish interiors of apartments and penthouse suites in a 20-floor development his company recently completed in Niavaran, one of the Iranian capital’s wealthiest areas. One of many towers to have sprung up on the Tehran skyline in recent years. The cost of apartments in his developments - among the most sought after in Tehran - have almost tripled in two years, he said. They now sell for about 200 million rials ($5,500) a square meter, and even his medium-sized apartments cost the local currency equivalent of $1 million.”

“The developer said he had halted projects in Iran and was proceeding with caution. ‘Until around two years ago, the market rose steadily. Then it started going crazy,’ the he said on a visit to Dubai. ‘You can’t believe how quickly everything’s gone up. It’s a bubble and I don’t know what will happen.’”

“The Bank of Thailand and developers are divided over whether a property bubble is looming. Atip Bijanonda, the new president of the Housing Business Association, said a bubble and oversupply never happen at the same time. Bubbles are caused by a lack of supply that leads to a rise in property prices, while an oversupply will make prices stagnant, drop or rise slightly. ‘An increase in prices is driven by the development cost structure, which is always revised up. In some cases, it is driven by developers buying land to develop a project regardless of how high land prices are,’ he said.”

“Mr Atip Bijanonda warned that wrong measures may fail to forestall the problem and harm real buyers. ‘A lower loan-to-value ratio will not prevent short-term speculators, as they can still sell their booked units at the same or lower prices than they paid, but this measure harms real buyers who really want the units,’ he said.”

“First-home buyers are in the firing line as the Reserve Bank aims its first direct shot at the overvalued housing market. The hot housing market, particularly in Auckland and Christchurch, has led the Reserve Bank to force the big four banks to permanently increase their buffers against high ‘loan to value ratio’ lending.”

“It’s been a stressful road to the Kiwi dream, but Upper Hutt couple Ben and Michelle Martin have finally achieved it. The self-employed panelbeater, 32, and Plunket nurse, 29, were married in November, and baby Hollie joined them two weeks ago. At first, they thought they would be eligible for the first-home deposit subsidy from KiwiSaver, of between $3000 and $5000 each. But the house-price cap for their area was $300,000, and anything around that price was a ‘dump’, Martin said.”

“The pair decided to forfeit the subsidy, withdrawing $11,000 from their respective KiwiSaver funds. In the end, they raised a deposit of $33,000 for the $350,000 house they wanted. The bank had agreed to give them a 90% loan, and charged them a further $4500 in ’safety insurance’ when their deposit fell just short. While Martin reckons they paid more than it was worth, they were happy to get the property. But it wasn’t easy, and Martin says there is no way they would have been able to do it if they had to stump up a 20% deposit. ‘If it was a 20% deposit, that’s over 60 grand . . . we wouldn’t be here, that’s for sure. We’d be renting forever.’”

“Loans to investors have soared 16 per cent in the last year, Australian Bureau of Statistics trend figures reveal. Meanwhile, lending to owner occupiers - the traditional powerhouse of the market - grew at a far slower pace, just 6.6 per cent over that time. More worrying, the value of loans to first home buyers fell sharply, down 16 per cent. Over the same period since June last year, dwelling values started to rise again.”

“One in seven taxpayers now owns an investment property and one in 10 are negatively geared. Negative gearing, because of its popularity, is a key drain on the public purse - the average investor claimed losses of $10,950 last year, up $1800 on the year before.”

“In an eerie bit of deja vu, the major media are suddenly gushing warm-and-fuzzy anecdotes of at-risk families who’ve found new ‘hope’ in easy home-lending programs. This is how it gets started positive spins about homeownership by pro-government newspapers only to turn later into disaster stories when the artificially created housing boom goes bust. We know how this ‘affordable housing’ fairy tale ends: Weak homebuyers walk away from their properties; and lenders get stuck with the bad debt, taxpayers with bailouts, and investors with massive losses.”

“At a recent conference, the Urban Institute made the same reckless arguments for ‘flexible’ lending to promote multicultural housing that it made before the crisis, while continuing to deny any responsibility for the millions of risky subprime loans that went bust. The Urban Institute’s goal, one shared by the Obama administration, is to close the ‘racial wealth gap.’”

“Virtually everywhere we look, we see signs of a new and dangerous infatuation with risky homebuyers. It’s a scandalous replay of history.”

“Dear Home Seller,”

“Thank you for allowing us in your home during yesterday’s open house. Our Realtor suggested we include this personal letter with our bid to set us apart from the 83 other offers you’re likely drooling over right now. I’m supposed to tell you how thrilled we’d be to spend the better part of $1 million to be the next proud owner of your 1,200-square-foot, depression-era fixer-upper. We hope you find our bid of $75,000 over asking price pleasing.”

“We’ve always dreamed of paying high six figures for a box on a busy street in a neighborhood ‘ripe’ for gentrification. I’m sure we’ll get used to the nearby airport traffic, fast-food drive-through across the alley and pit bull puppy farm next door. We’re so glad you took your agent’s advice and listed your house extremely high, yet just low enough to create a feeding frenzy. We’re honored to take part in Housing Bubble 2.0 since we missed out on the last one by being wise and not taking on a toxic mortgage in an overinflated housing market. Thankfully, with time comes desperation, so this time we’re in it to win it.”

“And thanks to low interest rates, an infusion of all-cash buyers from Wall Street and overseas, and banks creating a beanie baby-like appearance of limited inventory by keeping foreclosed homes off the market, the sequel looks to beat the original.”

“Record high foreclosures and record low available homes for sale at the same time? Wow. The last time a con like that was pulled over on the American people, British settlers were handing out blankets to people with feather headwear.”

“Anyway, just wanted to let you know that we’d love to drain our savings, 401(k)s, credit cards and borrow from eight immediate family members to grossly overpay for your house. We have no idea how we’ll make the monthly payment, but my therapist says I need to ‘live in the moment’ more anyway.”

“Sincerely,”

“First-time Home Buyer”




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Comment by Ben Jones
2013-05-10 06:29:04

‘Mumbai: Indian homebuilders, facing the highest borrowing costs in two years, are enticing homebuyers to help finance projects as they work to revive sales and cut debt. The combined debt of India’s six largest developers climbed to a record Rs.37,000 crore ($6.8 billion) in the 12 months through 31 March, more than double the Rs.15,880 crore in 2007.’

‘Total unsold inventory of residential stock in the six major cities tracked by Liases Foras climbed to 100 million square feet (9.3 million square meters), the highest since 2009.’

‘Bad loans are weighing heavily on China’s top commercial banks this year, and are likely to hit profitability and asset quality, a report released by PwC claimed on Thursday. The study revealed that total overdue loans among the country’s top 10 listed banks had increased to 486.5 billion yuan ($79.3 billion) by the end of last year, up 29 percent from 2011.’

‘The average overdue loan ratio rose to 1.21 percent from 1.06 percent, “a considerable deterioration”, said Jimmy Leung, PwC’s banking and capital markets leader for China. In some regions, the ratio reached 5 to 7 percent, he added.’

‘Top-end home prices in Dubai increased 18.3 per cent over the last 12 months, ranking it fourth among the world’s luxury property markets, according to a report by Knight Frank. The Prime Global Cities Index showed that Jakarta, Bangkok and Miami topped the ranking of 29 global cities with annual price growth of 38.1 per cent, 26.1 per cent and 21.1 per cent respectively.’

‘Globally, luxury property prices fell on average by 0.4 per cent in the first quarter of 2013. Tokyo, recording a 17.9 per cent drop in prices, was the weakest performing city in the past 12 months.’

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-10 06:36:58

All the hallmarks necessary for a massive, calamitous correction.

WBBR interviewed a bank exec yesterday. His sentiment? Look out below and you better be in cash.

Comment by Oklandlord
2013-05-10 07:34:16

Who is WBBR?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2013-05-10 08:19:17

Sounds like a radio or TV station located east of the Mississippi River.

Comment by scdave
2013-05-10 08:35:10

WBBR = Bloomberg radio…#1 as far as I am concerned… Smart people with smart guests…

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Comment by scdave
2013-05-10 06:41:23

I just ordered this book;

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0085RZF5K/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The first paragraph of a 5-star review of the book;

I have long admired Gretchen Morgenson and cheered when she was awarded a Pulitzer. Perhaps this book in conjunction with her hard-hitting NY Times reporting will garner her another one. She deserves it. The authors echo my sentiments precisely in their introduction “…felt compelled to write this book because we are angry that the American economy was almost wrecked by a crowd of self-interested, politically influential and arrogant people who have not been held accountable for their actions.” And the people who did it “…continue, even now, to hold sway in the corridors of Wall Street and Washington.”

Comment by rms
2013-05-10 07:23:54

“I have long admired Gretchen Morgenson and cheered when she was awarded a Pulitzer.”

Other MSM ladies deserving of praise for their honest reporting of this mess include Bethany McLean, Diana Olick, Elizabeth Warren, . . . ?

 
 
Comment by michael
2013-05-10 07:03:15

“while interest rates are at their lowest level in 65 year lows and home values are starting to creep up…”

wonder if the writer is able to draw any conclusions from this.

 
Comment by Bigguy
2013-05-10 07:06:31

We know how this ‘affordable housing’ fairy tale ends: Weak homebuyers walk away from their properties; and lenders get stuck with the bad debt, taxpayers with bailouts, and investors with massive losses.

Cue Oxide to defend her guy cause its clearly his doing now. But this time it’s different. But you don’t know the standards for these new loans, they’re checking them and requiring Verification now. But, but, but.

Comment by oxide
2013-05-10 08:06:52

If a loan is verified by income, then the homebuyer isn’t weak.
If buyers are refinancing (now 75% of mortgage activity) to lower payments, then the homebuyer won’t walk.
If the purchase is in cash, then there IS no lender to get stuck with bad debt.
If Fannie and Freddie already own the loans, then there is no additional bailout, just the same old bailout since 2008.
If housing prices go up, the investment house is sold. If housing prices stagnate, then the investment house is leased out for rental stream. Either way, the investers will at least retain investment, not incur massive losses.

How is this bubble NOT different?

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-10 08:32:40

Junkie,

If prices fall, there are no losses but if prices go up, there are profits?

Do you think before you write? Ever?

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-05-10 08:37:33

‘If buyers are refinancing (now 75% of mortgage activity) to lower payments, then the homebuyer won’t walk’

Somewhere around 35-40% of govt/FB refi’s default in the first two years.

Comment by oxide
2013-05-10 09:16:55

Ben, honey, are you talking about the circa 2009 refis, or circa 2013 refi’s? Are they the same terms?

Even so, that’s still 60% of refi’s that don’t default.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2013-05-10 09:23:20

‘are you talking about the circa 2009 refis, or circa 2013 refi’s?’

They all fail at ridiculous rates, just in the first year or so.

‘Are they the same terms?’

No, the LTV keeps getting higher, meaning the chance of default is higher.

’still 60% of refi’s that don’t default’

We haven’t got there yet, have we?

 
Comment by oxide
2013-05-10 12:39:21

Correlation and causation again.

High LTV is associated with defaults, but it doesn’t cause defaults. High DTI causes defaults.

Don’t rich people buy houses with 0% down and ARM’s, with intention to take adavantage of MID until they sold the house, as a real estate investment strategy? Technically they had LTV = 1. Why didn’t they default?

And how are you going to assess the “value?” Value isn’t realized until the property is sold. The house value could drop to 0 but if the owner keeps up the payments, he won’t default.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-05-10 12:46:15

So you’re saying when borrowers are underwater, they aren’t more likely to stop paying?

 
Comment by oxide
2013-05-10 17:11:10

Generally if the person is even applying for a re-fi, they aren’t intending to walk. (maybe if they were denied, but you can’t default on a denied re-fi.)

And please note that “walking” and “defaulting” are two very different things.

 
Comment by Bigguy
2013-05-10 19:54:38

Hahaha. Clockwork. All driven by blinders put on to not acknowledge her hack’s culpability.

And when all of these “safeguards” are looked at in hindsight it’ll turn out that the verified income wasn’t really verified, the Verifiers were asleep at the wheel or told to ignore the red flags, yada yada. All those banks had underwriting departments looking to see if the loans met the standards. No one cared. No one looking to rein flats this bubble cares either. The losses will fall on the taxpayers and the buck will be passed.

Anyone advocating a loosening of standards is a shill, from the sign spinner on the corner all the way up to the head bagman for the banks, unions, interests, whatever.

Nothin but love for you oxide, nothin but love.

 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-05-10 14:21:05

Can we distinguish between loan MODIFICATIONS and REFINANCES?

Fannie Mods from Q1 2011 have a default rate of 29% as of Q1 2013.

However, there are a HUGE number of refinances that are not modifications, and those conventional loans are from 2011 are running at default rates of WAY less than 1%.

Both of these are from the Fannie Q1 2013 credit supplement, pages 15 and 16.

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Comment by oxide
2013-05-10 17:14:03

Don’t bother, rental watch.
HBB jumped off the critical thinking train long ago.

Hell I was even lambasted for pointing out that there might be a difference between a fixed-PITI and an Option-arm ninja.

[And NO, I will not say how much I paid for my debt dump, so don't bother asking. But my debt dump is a hell of a lot nicer than my last rental dump.]

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-10 17:44:53

You’ve been introduced to truth and you don’t like it.

Your ruse is up.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-05-10 18:27:10

‘HBB jumped off the critical thinking train long ago’

I just got off the phone with my friend. The one I told you guys about, who got a VA loan, zero down a year and a half ago. He bought a Flagstaff foreclosure and still owes about $270k (pretty much what he paid). He got laid off yesterday. There aren’t any jobs that pay near what he would need to keep the house in Flagstaff, so he was asking me about FSBO versus realtors. He said he will be tapping his 401k Monday to pay bills.

Maybe I’ll just tell him to look at some of Rental Watch’s links to Fannie Mae reports. Or maybe some LPS reports. Or just tell him to think critically, maybe that will help with the bills while he finds a job, sells this house and moves. Somehow, I don’t think that will make him feel any better.

That’s the thing about the bubble. It’s not what default rates are today or last month. But what’s coming. When millions of jobs go away. When prices are falling and people can’t sell, even if they bring all their savings to the table. Critical thinking is more than what you make it out to be. And if you’re right great. But if I’m right, not so great; we’re all gonna pay. Some more than others.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-05-10 18:30:21

Sorry to hear about your friend.

 
Comment by JimO
2013-05-10 19:06:23

Meanwhile, the Keynesian clowns are trying to light the wage inflation fire … good luck on keeping high value / high pay jobs around - in the private sector.
If you’ve ever run a real business, you know how you have to sweat to make payroll.

Hey maybe they can do it in academia and cover the wage increases with higher tuition costs. Too funny!

 
Comment by rms
2013-05-10 21:41:04

“He bought a Flagstaff foreclosure and still owes about $270k (pretty much what he paid).”

–snip–

There aren’t any jobs that pay near what he would need to keep the house in Flagstaff…

That’s precisely why I left the San Luis Obispo, CA area. The economic disconnect was glaringly obvious, but few were willing to talk about it especially if their wife was nearby. The silence was deafening.

 
Comment by tresho
2013-05-11 09:33:33

He bought a foreclosure in this area & still owes pretty much what he paid for it. There aren’t enough jobs in this area that pay near what he would need to keep this house.
This is the conundrum of the stalled-out housing economy in most of the USA. I don’t expect it to change for many years.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-10 08:21:18

“‘A bunch of things have come together, and there’s this window of opportunity right now for people who can buy homes in bulk, turn around and flip them,’ said Sean Snaith, an economist with the University of Central Florida.”

The air has reentered the souffle’.

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-05-10 08:35:05

I thought they were buying in bulk and renting them out?

Comment by scdave
2013-05-10 08:40:15

Exactly Ben…And they may find that much more troublesome than they anticipated…Huge amounts of money seeking yield sometimes make big mistakes…

 
 
Comment by rms
2013-05-10 20:01:04

A pair of ladies from the westside (Seattle) bought an REO property that I ride past almost daily. They have been doing some serious work on the home, inside and out, and the yard too. Yesterday I saw a FOR RENT sign on the fence, and one of ‘em was standing in the street snapping photos. I circled around and mentioned their nice job reworking the place and asked how much they were asking for rent; $1250/month. I suggested that they only settle for a high FICO customer since the losers around here have a nasty habit of bashing and smashing their rentals before they skip on three months rent.

As I peddled away I thought about the $1250/month. Anyone with decent credit can buy new around here for about $800/month given a 20% down payment conforming loan. We’ll see, fingers crossed!

Comment by rms
2013-05-10 21:43:42

BTW, that’s $800/month PITI.

 
 
 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-05-10 08:39:53

“‘There are a large group of people who might be potential home buyers, but they don’t have any income, they don’t have a job, and nowadays if you’re unemployed you’re unable to buy a home,’ Nothaft said, pausing a second for effect. ‘The market has changed a bit from a few years ago.’”

So…??? Why are we using the term “potential home buyers”?

Comment by scdave
2013-05-10 08:45:59

More accurate would probably be “want to be” homebuyers…

Comment by Al
2013-05-10 10:26:14

‘The market has changed a bit from a few years ago.’

But returned to how it’s usually been throughout most of history. No money, no income, no buying.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2013-05-10 11:14:03

I guess if we’re going to count wannabe sellers as shadow inventory, we have to count wannabe buyers as demand, to be fair.

Comment by oxide
2013-05-10 17:22:01

Silly boy, you’re working off the mid 20th century middle class price model, aka The Anomaly. We need to bring you up to speed with the 19th century.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-10 17:46:09

You got your names mixed up again.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2013-05-10 14:22:51

Because based on the “median income buys the median home” theory, EVERYONE is a potential homebuyer.

 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-10 08:53:07

KEEEEEEEEEEEEEYRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASH!!!

What was that?!

You know that house you made the mistake of buying? Well the value of it just fell through the floor leaving a smoldering moon-crater.

Beware reading public. Beware.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-05-10 09:18:01

In Thailand: ‘A lower loan-to-value ratio will not prevent short-term speculators, as they can still sell their booked units at the same or lower prices than they paid, but this measure harms real buyers who really want the units’

In New Zealand: ‘If it was a 20% deposit, that’s over 60 grand . . . we wouldn’t be here, that’s for sure. We’d be renting forever.’

And when prices move even higher, the calls for lower down payments and lending standards get even louder. This is the problem with easing loan terms; it feeds on itself and the idea of going back becomes unthinkable. Well, they are facing it in at least one place:

‘Reserve Bank governor Graeme Wheeler says the growing pressures in the housing market are increasing the risks to New Zealand’s financial stability. The Reserve Bank will impose the most controversial of its new tools - a limit on riskier mortgage lending with smaller deposits - if it judged those loans to be a “significant risk” to the country’s financial stability.’

‘The central bank is also considering expanding the macro-prudential framework to include non-bank lenders who might mop up some of the low equity mortgage loans.’

‘Raising the minimum deposit for home loans will prevent first home buyers in Wanganui from getting a foot on the property ladder, a local agent warns. A Reserve Bank consultation paper has proposed placing temporary restrictions on high loan-to-valuation ratio (LVR) mortgages to protect against a housing bubble in Auckland and Christchurch.’

‘However, critics say the proposal would disadvantage first home buyers and lower property values in all regions - not just those with high inflation. ‘While restraining credit might reduce demand, it doesn’t get rid of the over-riding issue which is that people need houses to live in,’ Real Estate Institute of New Zealand chief executive Helen O’Sullivan said.”

‘First home buyers would be unfairly targeted by a blanket policy, she said. “It would have a disproportionate impact on that group and I don’t really think it’s first home buyers that are driving price inflation.” House hunters would be forced to do whatever they could to pull money together for a mortgage deposit, borrowing money from family, friends and other, less reputable lenders, she warned.’

Oh, now they are fighting for the poor first time buyer! I thought they were telling us it’s going up, up up, when really they care about the little guy, just trying to get out from under that bridge.

Let’s jump across the pond to the US. How do you suppose the NAR will react when someone proposes even a tiny reduction in government price supports? Oh heavens no, we can’t do that! The market is just finally getting on its feet. The recovery will lose steam. Think of the first time buyer, think of the children! Think of the foam on the runway!

Comment by scdave
2013-05-10 10:29:11

$hi!!….Now its Thailand…Whats next…This all has to be due to central bank intervention…Its no coincidence its happening throughout the world…The whole world has been juiced…This can’t end well…

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-05-10 10:33:11

‘Whats next’

‘Today the European Union lifted economic sanctions against Myanmar, but European businesses still face obstacles to operations there as the troubled Asian country re-enters the international community. Chief among those problems: a real estate bubble.’

http://qz.com/77044/why-myanmar-already-has-a-real-estate-bubble/

‘The Philippine central bank is reviewing property loans data to determine whether cooling measures are needed to avert a bubble, Deputy Governor Nestor Espenilla said in an interview.

“Our source of concern is the rapid growth of credit,” Espenilla said in his office on April 24. “The central bank is very mindful of seeing the foundation of an asset bubble that can burst and create dislocations in the economy.”

‘Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas, which yesterday cut the rate on its special deposit accounts for a third time this year, is monitoring the property market after bank loans and investments surged to a record, based on the most recent central bank data. Rising prices have spurred developers including Ayala Land Inc. to build more homes.’

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-04-25/philippines-ready-to-act-on-property-loan-surge-southeast-asia

I can’t even pack em’ all in anymore.

 
Comment by oxide
2013-05-10 11:18:41

In 2008 an acquaintance from Thailand told me that many Thai still live a cash lifestyle. That is, they take their paycheck to the bank for a wad of cash and peel bills off the wad until the next paycheck. (really cuts down the spending) I didn’t know they had sophisticated mortgage instruments.

 
Comment by JimO
2013-05-10 19:13:27

Lima looks like it’s forming a top. I would strongly recommend to get out of emerging market bonds in bubble countries (e.g., Peru, Philippines).

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-05-10 09:24:52

‘Atip Bijanonda, the new president of the Housing Business Association, said a bubble and oversupply never happen at the same time.’

I’d say the opposite is true.

Comment by In Colorado
2013-05-10 09:35:47

More like the oversupply was a consequence of the bubble and ended up popping it.

I do wonder … if the PTB will ensure that inventories remain artificially low by restricting new construction and keeping the shadow inventory well stocked.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2013-05-10 10:00:03

Fellow HBB-ers: There will be a Tucson meetup this coming Tuesday evening. 6 p.m. at the Epic Cafe, southwest corner of University Boulevard and 4th Avenue. I’ll be chillin’ with the AZGolfer and hope to see you there too.

 
Comment by Al
2013-05-10 10:18:28

From the New Zealand story: “The self-employed panelbeater, 32, and Plunket nurse, 29,…”

Panelbeater? “Take that you pesky panel”

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Comment by Al
2013-05-10 10:28:55

I figured a simple google search would find the answer, but was hoping a few wild guesses would come first. :)

Turns out I’m an amateur panel beater.

Comment by tresho
2013-05-10 13:41:25

Turns out I’m an amateur panel beater.
As am I.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2013-05-10 11:01:54

LOL!

And here I was picturing some panelboard getting smacked real hard.

Comment by Al
2013-05-10 11:28:55

I wonder if they have to wear those cheapo white undershirts while working?

Comment by oxide
2013-05-10 12:56:04

The self-employed ones do. Full-timers get a company polo shirt.

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Comment by DennisN
2013-05-10 11:19:06

Time for an update for a real case-study in the RE crash and “recovery”….

My old house in San Jose is back on the market again. Present owner’s asking price is what I actually got 7 years ago (May 2006).

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1829-Lencar-Way-San-Jose-CA-95124/19673960_zpid/

Looks like interior rework from the “flipper” school. The kitchen cabinets I installed myself in 1988 - mediocre oak faced cabinets from the defunct “Handyman” chain store. The present owner merely painted them black. That’s a dark kitchen anyway and I can’t see why painting them black makes any sense.

Comment by Lemming with an innertube
2013-05-10 16:03:49

DennisN please let us know how this plays out. Thanks.

 
Comment by rms
2013-05-10 20:30:01

My old house in San Jose is back on the market again.

I grew-up about a mile one mile north-east from there in Willow Glen near the intersection of Curtner and Meridian. Homes around Mom’s nabe snag $2-million these days.

 
 
Comment by pendude
2013-05-10 13:19:02

Looks like we’re stuck with another bubble. QE beats the reasonable folk after all.

 
Comment by Steve J
2013-05-10 13:19:44

Inflation in Iran is approaching hyper levels. Real estate is one of the few places to store wealth.

 
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-05-10 13:29:37

Oh darn, the S&P is back up today. What a bother. Everyone puts so much stock in the QE. The QE didn’t stop the last bubble from popping. Will it stop this one? I’m annoyed.

Houses and stocks are like manna from heaven!

 
Comment by cactus
2013-05-10 15:49:52

699K / 1040 square feet 673 dollars a square foot

who’s buying ? sofware engineers ?

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-10 15:57:17

Apparently nobody considering housing demand is collapsing and sales are at 17 year lows.

See for yourself.

http://picpaste.com/pics/60d7e9b64428349ffe2f8d1e5a4e9195.1368226577.png

And why would anyone be so completely stupid as to buy a house now.? Everyone knows prices are massively inflated.

 
 
Comment by Lisa
2013-05-11 07:57:03

“‘There are a large group of people who might be potential home buyers, but they don’t have any income, they don’t have a job, and nowadays if you’re unemployed you’re unable to buy a home,’ Nothaft said.

That statement takes the cake. Everyone is viewed as a “potential” home buyer. Gee, if only so & so had a job, they could go to Europe, dine out, hire a gardener, etc. You don’t hear that, but being locked out of home ownership is apparently the worst thing about unemployment.

Comment by tresho
2013-05-11 09:34:54

That statement takes the cake.
I’d call that statement ‘utter nonsense’, but I guess that’s just me.

 
 
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