May 14, 2013

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Comment by goon squad
2013-05-14 02:40:02

Housing is always a loss. Always.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 06:29:49

Indeed. Houses depreciate like ALL manmade and manufactured items.

Comment by goon squad
2013-05-14 06:39:06

We are loosing 13% of our monthly income on rent.

“The horror … the horror” - Colonel Kurtz

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 06:50:45

I can’t imagine losing 50%+ of my after tax income on massive mortgage payments, taxes and oppressive maintenance costs.

So what do you do with all that extra cash every month Goon Squad?

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-05-14 07:02:52

Having a long, multi-response conversation with yourself could be a sign of mental illness. Please consider being evaluated.

That said, I agree with almost everything that you said, so perhaps I should get myself evaluated as well. :-)

 
Comment by goon squad
2013-05-14 07:32:24

what do you do with all that extra cash

http://www.picpaste.com/IMG_20130512_093221_902-cQZXDVvA.jpg

 
 
Comment by Joe the bootstrapping rugged individualist
2013-05-14 07:00:46

I’m l00sing about 10% of post tax income on PITI.*

Sad.com

* Actually less since our mortgage interest is still enough to create a small MID benefit, which is why I’m keeping a mortgage at least a few more years. If you adjust for MID, I’m “loosing” less than 10% of post tax income on PITI.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-05-14 07:08:06

I’m l00sing about 10% of post tax income on PITI.*

I’m l00sing exactly 0% of post tax income on PITI.*

*But of course I do pay a different housing expense, which is rent. I pay about 14% of my post-tax income on rent if I paid the entire amount (as I am obligated to pay it due to a valid legal contract), or 7% if I count my gf’s contribution.

 
Comment by goon squad
2013-05-14 08:49:09

What both of you are really loosing is the respect of your friends and family, and the envy of strangers, by not taking out the maximum amount of debt possible to finance the lifestyle of your dreams. You should lease some new cars too, so when you roll up on a stoplight you’ll make all the other drivers look like loosers. You’ll be sitting on top of the pyramid of Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs in no time!

 
Comment by rms
2013-05-14 11:59:05

“Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs”

I dunno about Maslow; puts sex at the bottom of the pyramid.

 
 
 
Comment by perkonkrusts
2013-05-14 06:42:50

They depreciate from an accounting and tax perspective, yes. But can I buy all manmade and manufactured items today for less than they would have cost me new? No.

Or maybe you can find me a 1970 Hemi Cuda for it’s original price of $4,304 minus 43 years of depreciation.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 06:48:11

So out of 3 BILLION automobiles, you cherry pick an exception?

The mendacity of you realtors still floors me.

No my realtor friend.. All manufactured items depreciate. They always have and they always will.

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Comment by perkonkrusts
2013-05-14 06:52:15

You said “all”, and capitalized and bolded it. When you capitalize and bold the word “all”, you should really mean “all.” Otherwise you should say “most” or even better in your case, “alot”.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 06:54:11

I said ALL because I meant ALL. Because ALL manufactured items depreciate.

 
Comment by AmazingRuss
2013-05-14 07:11:19

…except for 1970 cudas.

 
Comment by scdave
2013-05-14 07:43:58

Or rare paintings & baseball cards…

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 07:46:11

Out of how many hundreds of millions of paintings and sports cards?

Poor Dave.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-05-14 08:14:53

So out of 3 BILLION automobiles, you cherry pick an exception?

[...]

I said ALL because I meant ALL. Because ALL manufactured items depreciate.

One minute you admit there is “an exception” (as it must have existed in order to be cherry-picked) , and the next you say “ALL manufactured items”.

Make up your mind: which is it?

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-05-14 08:16:01

Otherwise you should say “most” or even better in your case, “alot”.

“The vast majority” would be another fine way to say it.

 
 
Comment by rms
2013-05-14 07:30:11

“Or maybe you can find me a 1970 Hemi Cuda…”

I remember the 1970 Hemi Cuda well: the wide “shoehorned” engine, pistol grip 4-spd shifter, and dana 60 series posi-traction rear axle. And fuel at $0.37/gal for a 12.5:1 compression motor was no problem either. Yeah, times changed alright.

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Comment by perkonkrusts
2013-05-14 08:58:16

“Times have changed”

Gas prices definitely for the worst, but cars for the better? Quarter mile times:
1970 Hemi Cuda - 14 seconds at 102 mph.
2013 Dodge Challenger SRT8 392 - 13.0 at 111 mph

Now ask me which one I’d rather have, regardless of current value, and I’ll still say the 1970 all day.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-05-14 09:22:37

Now ask me which one I’d rather have, regardless of current value, and I’ll still say the 1970 all day.

Sure…unless you actually want or need to drive it every day.

 
Comment by joe the bootstrapper
2013-05-14 12:00:49

The 1/4 mi times still aren’t an apples-apples comparison because the 40 yr old car that can achieve that time would cost you 7 figures (maybe a couple million bucks?) whereas the new car can be had for a comparatively cheap price, can be serviced virtually anywhere, and replacement parts bought easily.

Obviously if you have billions of dollars, the ‘70 is always going to have more cache.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 02:42:37

“Big Shadow Inventory Lurks”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2013/04/30/home-prices-growing-at-pre-bubble-rates-on-bernanke-boost-but-big-shadow-inventory-lurks/

“CoreLogic data shows the number of foreclosed homes and the size of the shadow inventory is massive.”

With tens of millions of excess empty houses and housing demand fallen to 17 year lows, housing prices remain grossly inflated.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 02:43:56

If you take on mortgage debt at current massively inflated housing prices, you’ll enslave yourself for the rest of your life.

“Debt is bondage.” ~ Suze Orman, May 11, 2013

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-05-14 04:19:12

you’ll enslave yourself for the rest of your life.

Agreed.

More importantly, is good squad the same as Housing Analyst?

Maybe I’m slow, but it was only the three posts (1 good, 2 Housing) within a few minutes being the only blog content when I check in today that made me realize this for the first time…

Comment by oxide
2013-05-14 04:33:28

To the lurkers and occasional posters: You’ll probably see the Suze Orman “debt is bondage” statement for at least the next month. For the record, Suze was referring to 10% credit card debt, not mortgage debt. Yesterday I posted the full transcript proving that, and of course received no answer.

Also, the poster Housing Analyst is Exeter, and Realtors Are Liars (RAL), and some other names I don’t remember. But the posting style is the always the same. In fact, I predict the a couple posts under this one, he will call me a debt junkie and ask me how much I paid for my debt shack.

Comment by perkonkrusts
2013-05-14 05:55:52

And also Blue Skye and There Is No Plan A?

Plus, you know someone is desparate to make a point when they use Suze Orman as their backup.

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Comment by There's no plan A
2013-05-14 06:13:54

Good mornin’, Pimp!

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-05-14 09:45:12

“Plus, you know someone is desparate to make a point when they use Suze Orman as their backup.”

Could be worse. He/she could have quoted Dave Ramsay.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 09:49:15

And we’re suppose to rely on contract liars/lawyers with multiple usernames?

I don’t think so toughguy.

 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 06:24:29

To the reading public:

Suze Orman has long stated that housing is dead and to avoid it at inflated prices. This is nothing new.

Our blog realtor cheerleader “Oxide” made the tragic error of paying a massively inflated price for what is always a depreciating asset. “Oxides” increasingly emotional and untruthful posts are commensurate with the number of truthful and informative posts appearing on The Housing Bubble Blog.

Do not make the same error our underwater friend “Oxide” did. You’re here reading for a reason. That reason is that you know what the media is saying doesn’t at all align what you see around you and know to be the truth.

Beware of those who are messenging the same lies as the media.

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Comment by michael
2013-05-14 06:41:36

Can’t wait for Rals oxide bio to lurkers.

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Comment by sfhomowner
2013-05-14 11:25:33

Multiple personalities disorder + anonymous blogs = wheeee!

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 11:49:35

Junkie junkie junkie….. you’re ashamed to disclosed what you paid for you debt shack and you’re accusing others?

Shame on you….

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2013-05-14 04:37:17

Oh, and I should add that RAL started this tirade about a year ago. It was about the same time that I, a long-time renter, finally bought a house, but I don’t know if that was a factor. RAL’s posts are so distinctive, and starting to sound so unhinged, that others have begun to mock it by imitating him.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 04:42:55

Good morning Junkie.

Your delusion really does run deep.

How much did you pay for your debt-dump?

Was is such a massive amount that you’re too ashamed to tell us?

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Comment by Blue Skye
2013-05-14 05:24:24

You haven’t bought the house yet. You borrowed it. Pay your debt and then say you bought a house.

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Comment by oxide
2013-05-14 06:07:43

I have no problem admitting that, Skye. I borrowed money to rent a house from the bank. Or you could say I bought some money from a bank for 1.3x the cost of the money and bought the house cash, and now I’m paying for the money. Or whatever. But you are correct. I do not own a house outright.

 
Comment by inchbyinch
2013-05-14 06:22:58

oxide
Regardless, you’re a long term owner,
not an infestor, nor will you be a
strategic defaulter.
Most of us are very happy for you.

There’s no place like home.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 06:26:04

And here’s our other underwater debt-junkie.

How much did you pay for your debt-dump? Why are you so reluctant to tell us?

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-05-14 07:06:04

Really Oxy, you didn’t buy money, you simply borrowed it. I’ve done that, I just recommend against it, especially now.

 
Comment by oxide
2013-05-14 09:50:20

whatever

 
Comment by sfhomowner
2013-05-14 13:52:00

ok shaddup once and for all.

I am not embarrassed or reluctant to reveal my financial decisions.

Here:

I spent over 300K in rent since 2001. Having lived most of my life in either Manhattan or San Francisco, I have never seen rents decrease by any significant amount.

Bought a 3/2 SFH last fall:
- 15K WISH grant (entirely forgiven, basically a gift)
- 40K 0% interest teacher loan - forgiven entirely after 10 years with my job, forgiven if I lose my job
- 60K 0% interest (silent second) from the city payable after 40 YEARS. 15% shared appreciation with the city if I sell before paying back.
- 30K of my own cash for down payment and closing costs.

PITI + M less than our previous rent, and our house is way nicer. PITI+M = 23% of monthly net.

Go ahead and find me an equivalent rental: 3/2 SFH on craigslist in zip code 94110 for under $2500 that allows large dogs.

Basically 100K free money, a house in SF for less down than a new car, and no more landlord.

P&I = under $1600 month. City gives me back a dollar for dollar CREDIT for 15% of every cent I spend on interest.

House was under $450K. Any more info. makes it too easy to look me up, and there are some unhinged folks here who probably have some weird stalker instinct in ‘em.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 14:13:55

You paid $450k for a house? Seriously?

And how many square foot is this shanty?

 
Comment by sfhomowner
2013-05-14 14:25:23

No, read my post. I got 55K in interest free, forgivable loans, plus another 60K interest-free silent second payable after 40 years.

Now again, answer this question:

Go on craigslist and find me a rental in 94110 (Bernal Heights or the Mission) 3/2 SFH with a large garden that accepts large dogs for under $2500 month.

Are you afraid to even try? Go ahead, find me a rental for half what I pay.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 14:47:25

Simple question.

What was the transaction price for the house you bought?

 
Comment by sfhomowner
2013-05-14 14:58:20

What was the transaction price for the house you bought?

You are a weirdo stalker type - no way would I answer that question online. RE transactions are too easy to track.

Between 400K-450K is good enough.

Now answer this question:

Find me a 3/2 SFH with a yard in 94110 for under $2500 month. One that accepts large dogs.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 15:02:16

Did you or did you not pay $450k for a house?

Easy question.

 
Comment by sfhomowner
2013-05-14 15:09:14

Less than 450K.

With over 100K in 0% down payment assistance. 55K of which is entirely forgivable.

Oh yeah, I forgot this part: 3.51% fixed

Now find me a rental that is half that price. 94110. 3/2 with a yard. Takes big dogs.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 15:35:46

Nobody cares where you got the money for the charade. Nobody. How many sq ft?

 
 
Comment by sfhomowner
2013-05-14 11:30:29

Sour grapes.

You have a life, Oxide, and it sounds like a decent one, too.

Lack of connection - family and community and neighborhood - can cause people to become unhinged.

As can using financial motives to make all your life decisions.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 11:45:04

Why are you so ashamed to disclosed what you paid for your debt-shack?

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2013-05-14 18:41:05

ok shaddup once and for all.

Yeah SF will probably lose money but so what? they have steady jobs…and their union got them some free loans too…some enticement to stay put…

Yeah we have far far more pressing issues then someone who though it out about buying a home….

Franklin Graham: IRS targeted us, too

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/franklin-graham-irs-targeting-91362.html

 
 
 
Comment by There's no plan A
2013-05-14 05:03:17

Goon is HA’s brother from another mother.

 
Comment by goon squad
2013-05-14 05:37:13

No. He pimps new construction at $50/sq ft on $5000 lots. We pimp renting.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 05:45:20

Why buy a rapidly depreciating house at current massively inflated prices when you can rent for half the monthly cost?

Buy later, after prices crater for 65% less.

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Comment by MiddleCoaster
2013-05-14 12:22:33

No! Goon squad is a funny guy who sometimes acts as a parody troll. RAL/exeter/HA/Pimpster/who knows what else is a broken-record kind of annoying troll, arrogant, know-it-all PITA. His exeter alias was OK in a broken-record sorta way. No one is quite sure what happened to hurl him over the edge, but he definitely went there.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 14:11:05

Poor Ellie…… she’s underwater and sinking in the Chicago slums.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 05:21:10

“What happens after that is anyone’s guess.”

Realtors™ are morons.

Real Estate Matters: Low mortgage rates are an opportunity
By Ilyce R. Glink and Samuel J. Tamkin, Published: May 14, 2013 at 5:30 am

What does it say about our economy that mortgage interest rates are near their lowest point since 1971?

The Federal Reserve Bank announced it intends to keep buying mortgage backed securities at roughly $85 billion per month, and will increase that amount if inflation and unemployment rates do not hit their targets.

What does this mean to you? If you haven’t refinanced, go out and bag a great loan at a great price. If you’re thinking about moving and need a different or bigger home for your growing family, go for it because your dollars will go further. And if you want to buy investment property, we’re at the end of the best time in a generation, since the country’s bankers have now worked through more than half of all foreclosures and prices appear to be rising.

While mortgage rates may bounce along at the bottom, there’s an intention to keep them this low, or nearly this low, for an extended period of time — at least through 2013. What happens after that is anyone’s guess.

Ilyce R. Glink is the author of many books on real estate and host of “Real Estate Minute” on her YouTube.com/expertrealestatetips channel. Samuel J. Tamkin is a Chicago-based real estate attorney. If you have questions, you can call her radio show toll-free (800-972-8255) any Sunday, from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. EST. Contact Ilyce through her Web site, http://www.thinkglink.com.

Comment by chilidoggg
2013-05-14 08:18:06

“the country’s bankers have now worked through more than half of all foreclosures”

This sentence just “sounds” odd to me, like its loaded with weasel words.

Comment by Carl Morris
2013-05-14 08:29:57

“worked through” and “foreclosures” might both have a very specific meaning in this context different than what we would assume. Kinda like what the definition of “is” is.

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Comment by chilidoggg
2013-05-14 10:24:52

“the country’s bankers”

“now”

“worked through”

“more than half”

“all foreclosures”

 
Comment by Dale
2013-05-14 17:03:32

or…..”There’s no there, there”

 
 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 05:39:15

Housing on the Rebound: Is it Better to Rent or Buy?
By Matt Nesto | Breakout – Tue, Apr 16, 2013 8:08 AM EDT

Unlike the stock market, which is setting at record highs, the housing market has yet to recover from the depths of the last recession. While real estate sales and prices are trending higher and are clearly better off than they were a few years (or even months) ago, a full recovery is still far off.

That’s not necessarily a bad thing, since it gives more people more time to take advantage of still low prices and interest rates. Nor is it a good thing, since it means as much as one-third of current homeowners are still underwater with their mortgages (eg. they owe more than the property is worth).

But with prices up, inquiries on the rise, and the spring selling season in full gear, it remains to be seen how this uptrend will play out.

 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 02:45:22

“Why pay these massively inflated prices for a depreciating house? You’re getting ripped off if you do. Rent for half the monthly cost and buy a house later, after prices crater for 65% less.”

Comment by azdude
2013-05-14 05:31:16

housing is the path to riches and fortunes like you have never seen.

Get in on the casino action and quit talking about a depression. The more you talk the more it will never happen.

Comment by goon squad
2013-05-14 05:40:08

The future’s so bright, I gotta wear shades.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 05:48:57

If you’re expecting to get anything at all out of your house, you better act soon and get whatever you can get for it if you can even find a buyer who might be interested.

Comment by inchbyinch
2013-05-14 06:29:39

How about looking at your home
as a place to live long term.
It’s nice to own your housing destiny.

We were renters and didn’t much like
the subordinate position.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 06:31:34

How about disclosing how much you paid.

 
Comment by There's no plan A
2013-05-14 07:52:43


We were renters and didn’t much like
the subordinate position.

You are right. My LL takes a round with with a whip in his hand. I have scars to prove my subordinate position.

 
Comment by inchbyinch
2013-05-14 08:04:34

Our rental was sold,
but luckily we were in escrow
during the transition. Now we own
our lives. Very cool.

Maybe owning may not be
everyone’s path, but this is our
3rd home, and we’re happy.
Actually, it’s the smallest home
we’ve owned (by choice).

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 08:13:01

Simple question…..

What did you pay?

 
Comment by inchbyinch
2013-05-14 11:53:59

We paid under the list
and the cheapest listing in the
neighborhood in Sept 2012.
We’re in a decent part of So Ca.
No $50 or $100 sq ft around these
parts. We paid cash and
aren’t a taxpayer bail out consideration.
Nuff said.

There’s no place like home.

The squirrels are eating us out of
house and home. (Roasted Peanuts)
Can’t wait for the day they are
swimming in our pool,
waiting for their Bar-B-Q lunch. LOL

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 11:59:50

Why are you so afraid to disclose what you paid?

Is it really that bad?

 
Comment by sfhomowner
2013-05-14 13:56:21

We were renters and didn’t much like
the subordinate position.

It works for some. Not a good choice for everyone. I have never liked having a landlord.

 
Comment by inchbyinch
2013-05-14 14:42:18

sfhomeowner
Our long term LL
treated us like a burden. Hated it.
The new owner thanked us for leaving
the place nice and wished us the best.
A rare bird. Our last month was his first
month of ownership. All he had to do was paint.
We even re-caulked the shower for him.
The golden rule on both sides worked.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2013-05-14 14:53:39

We even re-caulked the shower for him.
The golden rule on both sides worked.

This is why I get a chuckle out of some on this board.

“You must rent, but don’t ever become a landlord because renters SUCK!”

Chuckle.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by goon squad
2013-05-14 03:30:38

Washington Post - Pentagon poised to trim number of civilian furlough days, expand pool of exempt workers

“The Defense Department is poised to trim the number of civilian furlough days from 14 to 11 or fewer as it tries to find ways to deal with mandatory spending cuts, and is likely to let the military services expand the types of workers that will be exempt from the unpaid day off requirements, military officials say.

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel is expected to announce a decision on the hotly contested issue as early as Tuesday, and officials said the final decision continues to be refined.

Defense officials said that at this point, notification deadlines and other administrative requirements make it difficult for the department to squeeze in more than 12 furlough days by the end of the fiscal year on Sept. 30. They said some senior leaders wanted to reduce the furloughs as much as possible, perhaps to nine or fewer.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/pentagon-poised-to-trim-number-of-civilian-furlough-days-expand-pool-of-exempt-workers/2013/05/14/deab0e20-bc7e-11e2-b537-ab47f0325f7c_story.html

 
Comment by goon squad
2013-05-14 03:40:13

New York Times - Young Americans Lead Trend to Less Driving

“For six decades, Americans have tended to drive more every year. But in the middle of the last decade, the number of miles driven — both over all and per capita — began to drop, notes a report to be published on Tuesday by U.S. Pirg, a nonprofit advocacy organization.

People tend to drive less during recessions, since fewer people are working (and commuting), and most are looking for ways to save money. But Phineas Baxandall, an author of the report and senior analyst for U.S. Pirg, said the changes preceded the recent recession and appeared to be part of a structural shift that is largely rooted in changing demographics, especially the rise of so-called millennials — today’s teenagers and twentysomethings. “Millennials aren’t driving cars,” he said.

In fact, younger people are less likely to drive — or even to have driver’s licenses — than past generations for whom driving was a birthright and the open road a symbol of freedom. Research by Michael Sivak of the Transportation Research Institute at the University of Michigan found that young people are getting driver’s licenses in smaller numbers than previous generations.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/14/us/report-finds-americans-are-driving-less-led-by-youth.html?hpw&_r=0

Comment by In Colorado
2013-05-14 06:26:41

Part if the problem for the young pups is what to drive. The days of your first car being an under $1000 beater are gone. Today you’ll have to spend much more than that to get a clunker, and when it breaks chances are you won’t be able to fix it yourself.

And then there’s the question of $4/gallon gas.

Comment by rms
2013-05-14 07:43:55

“The days of your first car being an under $1000 beater are gone.”

+1 I was shopping recently for an economy car for my daughter who is learning to drive. A typical used Toyota Corolla with 180,000 miles fetches $5k plus. Yikes!

Comment by inchbyinch
2013-05-14 08:15:12

rms
You’re daughter is
lucky to have you.

I saved up for my 1st car,
a “pre-owned” VW Bug. Paid
$1,200 for the bugger
and drove it 4 yrs.

My BF (now husband) totaled it,
and replaced it w/ a new
Honda Civic.

Forget the Jewish guilt thing,
his mid-western guilt ran deep. LOL

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Comment by rms
2013-05-14 12:16:35

“rms
You’re daughter is
lucky to have you.”

Sorry to disappoint you, but I bought my daughter a $2k Toyota Tercel Coupe for a town car and to learn on. She will need a 60,000 mile car when she leaves home for college.

 
Comment by inchbyinch
2013-05-14 15:27:34

‘you’re”…try “your”
silly mistake. oops.

Wow, can you adopt me.

Where’s she going and what is her goal?

 
Comment by localandlord
2013-05-14 18:50:04

When I was in college my family loaned me a van for the summer and I had a business painting house numbers on people’s curbs for a dollar. I found an assistant and by the end of the summer I had enough saved up to pay for half of a brand new Honda civic. Those were the days.

The car was only $2350 but still that worked out to pretty good money for a kid.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 22:37:07

You remind me of the time I tried to sell my old, rusty 1980 Honda Civic for $300. Priced it wrong; had my answering machine full of offers when I got home from work, and even had dealers showing up offering to pay cash.

On checking the Blue Book, I learned that $800 was a more reasonable estimate of market value; priced at that level, it sold the next day.

Which brings me to the point: These days, can you even buy a car that runs for under $1000?

 
Comment by localandlord
2013-05-15 04:52:17

If my old saturn were for sale it would be less than $1000 and it runs fine. I wouldn’t mind upgrading to a newer gas sipper but used car prices are so high I’m not likely to.

That’s a secondary consequence of the economy being bad - no one wants to buy new cars. Used appliances were cheap during the bubble, now they are more expensive.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-05-14 09:51:49

A typical used Toyota Corolla with 180,000 miles fetches $5k plus. Yikes!

That’s what I’m seeing as well.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2013-05-14 10:36:34

A 5k Corolla with 180k on it isn’t a 1k beater yet because it probably still doesn’t need much maintenance. It’ll get there eventually…

 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-05-14 11:59:31

A 5k Corolla with 180k on it isn’t a 1k beater yet because it probably still doesn’t need much maintenance.

I wouldn’t be so sure of that. By 180K a lot of things start to wear out or break: suspensions, gearboxes and clutches, engines, radiators, starters, etc. Even on Toyotas.

 
 
 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-05-14 08:27:06

I think the $1000 beater still exists if you’re tied into the subculture that has them. And they are just as safe as they were back in the day. But that is no longer considered safe enough by most parents, I suspect. And they can still be fixed but most people don’t know how to do it. I think the change is more us and our culture than the actual cars. The Mexican families I see around town seem to have no problem finding them and keeping them on the road.

Comment by ecofeco
2013-05-14 09:07:16

They don’t exist where I live. The number one reason being tough inspections.

In order to pass the inspection, it costs the new owner more than the car is worth or money they have. Poof. Car gone.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2013-05-14 09:26:11

I’m not sure where you live, but at least in some places there are ways around the inspections if you know somebody. The class of people driving beaters is usually the same class of people doing the inspections. Also, the type of people who drive $1000 beaters usually have more than one and move the plates around as needed. Or just drive around on expired plates and hope for the best.

But maybe none of that’s possible where you live?

 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-05-14 09:42:39

They don’t exist where I live. The number one reason being tough inspections.

Out here they get bought up at auctions and then get shipped to Mexico, where emissions and other testing is not an issue.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2013-05-14 10:16:11

^ Same here.

Where I live has also been extremely tough on inspection fraud.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-05-14 11:03:33

We don’t have auto inspections. Still don’t see many beaters, though, but there are some around.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2013-05-14 11:38:28

In some places, salt limits the life of cars.

I knew someone who specialized in under $500 beaters. He would buy one and drive it until it broke down and then get another one. It was cheaper than a car payment.

He did seem to get pulled over by the cops a lot.

And the cost of insurance is also a problem for unsubsidized young’uns who have to get their own.

I have known folks who used mopeds to get around licensing and insurance issues.

 
Comment by rms
2013-05-14 12:06:23

“The class of people driving beaters is usually the same class of people doing the inspections.”

+1 LOL!

“Lying Missouri scum” a la Outlaw Josey Wales. :)

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-05-14 13:45:41

I’m just saying…frequently they find ways to help each other out :-).

 
 
 
 
Comment by measton
2013-05-14 07:00:59

and here is the problem with the FEDS plan. They can cause inflation in needs, people will reduce use and cut spending in other areas if they don’t have more money.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2013-05-14 09:01:28

Isn’t this the 100th time this has been posted here?

They drive less because they can’t afford to drive more.

Thought we figured this one out already?

Comment by In Colorado
2013-05-14 13:00:56

Isn’t this the 100th time this has been posted here?

Yup. Lucky Duckies can’t afford cars. We already know that.

 
 
Comment by MightyMike
2013-05-14 11:46:15

I don’t see how the part about the kids not getting driver’s licenses is related to the economy. I seem to remember when I was a teenager that almost all kids wanted to get a license as soon as they reached the necessary age. The fact that they couldn’t afford a car didn’t matter. Some kids went for a couple of years borrowing Mom’s car or Dad’s car once or twice a week.

It’s possible that the issue is cultural. When you talk about teenagers these days, you have a much higher number of immigrants and children of immigrants who haven’t been exposed to the whole teenage driving culture.

Comment by Carl Morris
2013-05-14 13:52:16

I think it’s the internet. The car was popular back in the day because it was the only way to get the socializing of whatever variety you were craving. Now you can get most of what you want without leaving the house. And if you’re really smooth you can just get her to come to you :-).

 
 
 
Comment by goon squad
2013-05-14 03:52:43

New York Times - Student Debt Slows Growth as Young Spend Less

“The anemic economy has left millions of younger working Americans struggling to get ahead. The added millstone of student loan debt, which recently exceeded $1 trillion in total, is making it even harder for many of them, delaying purchases of things like homes, cars and other big-ticket items and acting as a drag on growth, economists said.

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York, in a new study, found that 30-year-olds with student loans were now less likely to have debts like home mortgages than 30-year-olds without student loans — even though most of those with student loans are better educated and can expect to earn more money over their lifetimes. The same pattern holds true for 25-year-olds and car loans.

“It is a new thing, a big social experiment that we’ve accidentally decided to engage in,” said Kevin Carey, the director of the Education Policy Program at the New America Foundation, a research group based in Washington. “Let’s send a whole class of people out into their professional lives with a negative net worth. Not starting at zero, but starting at a minus that is often measured in the tens of thousands of dollars. Those minus signs have psychological impact, I suspect. They might have a dollars-and-cents impact in what you can afford, too.”

The weak economy and tight credit standards remain the main culprits preventing young people just establishing themselves from making major purchases. But millions now face putting a substantial share of their take-home pay toward past debts rather than present needs. Student loan debt leaves them with less money for things like clothes and restaurant meals. And it is even more likely to suppress purchases of more expensive items that need to be bought with credit. A poor job market is compounding the problem: the educational debt burden of many so-called millennials has sharply increased even as they are being forced to get by on significantly less income than the previous generation — a decline of about 15 percent in real terms since 2000, with much of that drop coming from the recession.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/11/business/economy/student-loan-debt-weighing-down-younger-us-workers.html?ref=education

Comment by Joe the bootstrapping rugged individualist
2013-05-14 07:05:54

This should be a headline in every newspaper and a story on every news show from time to time. But our society is so focused on handing out freebies to old people (who shriek “don’t touch my [government] benefits!) that we don’t focus on real issues anymore.

Also, a massive military budget keeps us “safer” from people who “hate are (sic) freedoms”. Uh-huh.

Comment by AmazingRuss
2013-05-14 07:15:34

If we’re not free to bomb weddings, are we free at all?

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-05-14 07:13:46

Being in debt “might” affect your ability to buy stuff! Captain Obvious.

Comment by goon squad
2013-05-14 08:32:19

That is a debbie downer buzzkill.

C’mon everybody, let’s get back on the debt merry go round, WHEE!

And if you get thirsty from spinning that hamster wheel, we have a big punchbowl of kool-aid right over here. Never mind the dead bodies, it tastes great!

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 08:50:43

LMAO

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Comment by ICLEI
2013-05-14 04:27:24

Obama’s underwater rescue

A single bureaucrat stands in the way of widespread foreclosure relief

By Eric T. Schneiderman / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Wednesday, May 8, 2013, 4:18 AM

A housing development in California sits unfinished in the wake of the Great Recession. (Great photo)

Such “principal writedowns” are a necessary and common-sense tool in the massive repair job that is needed to mend our broken housing market.

The 60% of American homeowners who carry loans serviced by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac need and deserve the same kind of relief. Obama can deliver for these families by removing DeMarco, right now.

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Comment by oxide
2013-05-14 06:26:51

I agree, that’s a Great Photo.

For those who can’t see it, it’s a huuuuge tract of land, totally dirt empty, ready for houses. In the center are four completed (model?) homes, packed like sardines. I guess they wanted to pack the entire development like that.

If they can effect some sort of cramdown program without launching moral hazard, well, maybe. But these folks aren’t entitled to free money simply because they are “underwater.”

 
Comment by scdave
2013-05-14 07:54:55

There are thousands of fully improved vacant lots like these in the central valley of California…From Redding to the Salton Sea…

Big, Big money was thrown at these developments and now they are selling for 20 cents on the dollar if they sell at all…

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 08:30:50

If I were a Republican Congressman, I would do everything in my power to protect DeMarco.

So I guess the question is: Do the Democrats have the votes to steamroll Watt’s confirmation?

Comment by oxide
2013-05-14 09:58:03

Does a Watt confirmation lead to automatic cramdowns, or does some of it have to go through Congress?

 
 
Comment by michael
2013-05-14 10:14:47

Every time a FB is “saved” a bankster gets his Armani.

Comment by ICLEI
2013-05-14 15:20:31

[Looks heavenward] Attaboy, Clarence

 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2013-05-14 04:33:06

obama kool-aid drinkers to blame Bush in 3….2…1…

Obama knee-deep in Nixon-esque scandal
Boston Herald ^ | May 13, 2013 | Joe Battenfield

President Obama’s second-term campaign slogan was “Forward,” but instead we’ve got cover-ups, congressional investigations and the government persecution of political opponents and reporters.

That sounds like “backward” to me. All the way to, say, 1972.

Who would have guessed that just a few months into his second term, President Obama would be compared to Tricky Dick. And by a liberal Massachusetts Democrat — U.S. Rep. Michael Capuano.

Republicans could not even have scripted this one. The agency most hated by voters, the Internal Revenue Service, admits to going on a Nixonian witch hunt against Tea Party and conservative groups during the re-election campaign.

This is a story even the most partisan Massachusetts liberal cannot defend. It’s so bad that even Ed Markey is calling for heads to roll.

Now we learn that the Justice Department has secretly obtained the phone records of Associated Press reporters and editors in what appears to be an investigation of an AP story that disclosed details of a CIA operation that stopped a terrorist attack.

Going after the Tea Party is one thing, but the media? What an outrage. Who knows, the press may get so mad they won’t laugh at Obama’s jokes during the next White House Correspondents’ Dinner.

Comment by Jess from upstate SC
2013-05-14 04:51:04

The IRS is the most feared agency in the country, and that they are overpaid crooks is no surprise , Though it is a tough sell to blame this all on President Obama. The Main IRS guy that is in trouble was appointed by Pres. Bush.

Just a whiff of misuse of the IRS back in 1972 threw the Press , still somewhat relevant back then , into a huge lather .
Who pays any attention to the Press today , unless it’s about their own corrupt reportings ?

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-05-14 09:52:25

Misuse of the IRS was one of the impeachment articles against Nixon. Same liberals who cheered that on then are defending Obama today.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-05-14 11:06:46

If Obama directed the IRS to go after his political opponents, like Nixon did (amongst his many other crimes), then he definitely did an impeachable offense.

It remains to be seen if he directed them to do so, and I doubt it will be shown that he did.

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Comment by michael
2013-05-14 10:17:29

Next time someone who works for me screws up I’m just gonna tell my boss that the person I replaced is the one that hired him. See how that flies

 
 
Comment by There's no plan A
2013-05-14 05:13:47

IRS should have investigated tea groups for selling their souls to republican overlords.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 05:42:01

HBB regulars to ignore hate-Obama troll 1…2…3…

Comment by scdave
2013-05-14 08:04:14

Yep…2-fruit is a uncompromising neocon…He would make a great republican congressman…Hold hands with Rand…

 
 
Comment by Joe the bootstrapping rugged individualist
2013-05-14 08:04:50

The bigger scandal is why any of these political organizations are tax-exempt in the first place. When you couple this with ,Citizens United you get the ingredients for an idiotic and hyper-partisan Congress.

Comment by There's no plan A
2013-05-14 08:39:43

What’s wrong with a hyper-partisan congress?

If they get together, that’s a bigger worry. The solutions are either on the left or the right, not in the middle. We are living the “middleground” nightmare.

Comment by Joe the bootstrapping rugged individualist
2013-05-14 09:33:35

Sadly, I disagree, I think things actually do need to get fixed at some point. You can’t just keep can-kicking and letting things continue as they are. Can-kicking works when the underlying fundamentals are right. Right now, can kicking means continued large military budgets and transfer payments to special interests while the country’s chance at a strong future erodes on a yearly basis.

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Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-05-14 09:54:20

“idiotic and hyper-partisan Congress.”

Which if fine by me. Hyper-partisan means nothing gets done. Divided government is the greatest gift the founding fathers gave us.

 
 
Comment by michael
2013-05-14 09:28:13

that’s not the only agency…wasn’t their a massive food stamp ad campaign predominantly within the battleground states before the election?

 
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-05-14 11:51:16

2ban:

Since Obama can’t run for another term, why do you continue with this point? Are you trying to convince everyone not to vote for him anymore? Isn’t that weird?

Comment by 2banana
2013-05-14 12:16:58

Is it as weird as the MSM/progressives/liberals still blaming Bush after five years…?

:-)

 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2013-05-14 04:39:47

Health care costs up 400%, housing in ANOTHER huge bubble, college costs at insane levels…

When does it all hit the wall????

—————————

Insurers predict 100%-400% Obamacare rate explosion
Washington Examiner | 5/13/13 | Paul Bedard

Internal cost estimates from 17 of the nation´s largest insurance companies indicate that health insurance premiums will grow an average of 100 percent under Obamacare, and that some will soar more than 400 percent, crushing the administration´s goal of affordability.

New regulations, policies, taxes, fees and mandates are the reason for the unexpected “rate shock,” according to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which released a report Monday based on internal documents provided by the insurance companies.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 06:00:02

“…college costs at insane levels…”

Not to worry!

Outside View
Forgiving student debt won’t help students

Published: May 14, 2013 at 12:09 AM
By PETER MORICI, UPI Outside View Commentator

COLLEGE PARK, Md., May 14 (UPI) — College is too expensive, graduates can’t find decent jobs and pay off loans and students, parents and educators all share in the blame.

Now, U.S. President Barack Obama proposes to forgive more student debt and that will make a bad situation worse.

Comment by aNYCdj
2013-05-14 06:41:05

My idea of giving back your degree to pay off the debt is sounding better everyday. And they cant sue employers if the requirement for keeping a job is a valid college degree.

Comment by aNYCdj
2013-05-14 06:49:12

Or think of the college degree as an asset and in BK you have to sell your assets to pay off the debt…that could be another possibility. debt free but no valid degree either.

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Comment by goon squad
2013-05-14 06:03:32

As we’ve posted before, Obamacare takes the worst aspects of the current evil hybrid for-profit / government health care “system” and makes it worster. The single-payer Canadians and Euro-socialists have better results at half the cost.

Comment by aNYCdj
2013-05-14 08:04:15

Goon Its like obewanna wants everything to be big bigger and biggest

No one ever wants to take the Perot side, start small and test it. all we really needed to do was cover people who were too rich for Medicaid yet too poor to have their own health insurance.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2013-05-14 13:59:20

” start small and test it.”

Wasn’t Romneycare the pilot project for Obama care?

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 18:49:34

Success has many fathers, failure is an orphan.

– English proverb

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-05-14 19:09:13

failure is an orphan.

We’ll see if it’s a failure. It’s all talk right now- from the usual suspects, who want it to fail.

 
 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-05-14 08:28:42

Insurers predict 100%-400% Obamacare rate explosion

And that is when we will move to single payer, as there will be no one left who can afford private health insurance.

See, we get a happy ending!

Comment by 2banana
2013-05-14 10:46:22

“We had to destroy the village in order to save it…”

 
 
 
Comment by ICLEI
2013-05-14 04:51:03

Next home $ crisis

Feds prop market
By JOHN AIDAN BYRNE
Last Updated: 12:25 AM, May 6, 2013
Posted: 10:37 PM, May 4, 2013

The seeds of the next housing crisis are being sown this spring, according to a former chief credit officer at Fannie Mae.

Despite the green shoots reported by the Case-Shiller index last week that home prices rose a blistering 9.3 percent in February from 12 months ago, Edward Pinto, a former executive at the government-backed mortgage business, says another crash can’t be too far behind.

Pinto faults Uncle Sam’s housing policy of guaranteeing 90 percent of new loans in the gigantic $6 trillion market through Fannie Mae.

He goes on to say the feds are providing billions in fat trading profits to Wall Street banks and artificially — but temporarily — propping up housing prices.

Sooner or later, he says, economic reality will catch up with this fairy-tale market, which will lead to another depressing housing collapse.

The fundamentals that matter most are falling behind the latest house prices. These include job and wage growth. And that’s amidst a surprise loosening in lending standards and tightened inventory because of the snail’s pace of moving foreclosed properties to market, says Pinto, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute.

Astonishingly, as much as 50 percent of all mortgages today are issued with zero-down payments, which includes many refinanced homes for the banks’ better clients.

In the meantime, Wall Street powerhouses reap their windfall gains, trading these complex mortgage-backed securities.

The Street makes out like a bandit. In this game, banks accumulate nickels and dimes on each side of the trade, profiting on shifting interest rates, mortgage prepayments and other variables — but not on the “real” value of the underlying mortgages.

“The Street makes millions and millions of dollars on these securities,” Pinto told The Post.

“That’s the dirty little secret. The government guarantees repayment of principal and interest payments on a timely basis, regardless of what the borrower does on an individual mortgage level.”

Borrowers also get another lift. The Fed, scrambling to lower mortgage rates, currently near 3.5 percent, buys up $40 billion monthly in these mortgage-backed securities.

But Pinto doesn’t buy it. The trends are remarkably clear, stretching back 150 years through American real-estate history.

“When interest rates go up, which they inevitably will — and we seem to be at the bottom right now — they go up gradually but deliberately over a period of 20 to 30 years,” Pinto said, noting this long-term trend.

When that occurs, the housing market will be hammered again.

By his calculations, if mortgage rates rise from 3.5 percent to 6 percent, incomes would have to rise by 33 percent, or house prices would have to drop by 25 percent, to stave off an otherwise inevitable housing disaster.

Since personal incomes have been static since 2007, that part of the equation is hardly guaranteed. So a home price bust is not far behind, says Pinto.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/next_home_crisis_lJoi2HNNojY2NGeDei8MsL - 78k

 
Comment by ICLEI
2013-05-14 04:56:09

The great senior sell-off could cause the next housing crisis

By Jennifer Karmon

Thu, Mar 21, 2013 2:32 AM EDT

“It’s romantic for the first 15 years when you’re turning 65 and retired,” he says. “But aging in place among 90-year-olds? 95-year-olds?” Many of these people, he predicts, won’t realize that they can’t mow the lawn or pay for repairs until they’re really elderly, and the market for the their homes has collapsed even further. “My suspicion,” Nelson says, “is that many hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of those households in the 2020s to 2030 and beyond will simply give up the house and walk away.”

http://homes.yahoo.com/blogs/spaces/great-senior-sell-off-could-cause-next-housing-063235194.html - 93k -

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 05:54:26

Nobody could have seen it coming!

Comment by ICLEI
2013-05-14 06:14:57

“Nobody could have seen it coming!”

The thing that s#cks is you have wait until 2020 to 2030 when they give up the house and walk away so you can move in. I wonder if they can HARP it out that long?

 
 
Comment by perkonkrusts
2013-05-14 07:48:43

“90 and 95 year olds… will give up the house and walk away”.

Walk away to where? The woods? Because if they think they can “walk” to an apartment or retirement home for less than the cost of lawn service and routine home maintenance on their existing home, they’re badly mistaken. This “great senior sell-off” theory doesn’t make sense to me.

Comment by inchbyinch
2013-05-14 08:25:38

perkonkrusts
Well said. The only
caveat is the person’s health.
If you become incapacitated,
(mental or physical)
it’s a whole new dynamics.

Comment by Al
2013-05-14 08:37:10

Even if the seniors can’t take care of the house or even themselves, there are other options. They may have half a dozen unemployed/underemployed adult grandchildren ready to move in and look after them.

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Comment by Neuromance
2013-05-14 08:40:23

Assisted senior living. One floor condos, elevators, and staff specifically available to deal with senior issues. Basically an apartment complex targeted towards seniors.

It depends on the individuals. Some seniors will dump the house and move to the assisted living immediately. Some will hang on like pit bulls to the house while it falls apart. Some will hang onto the house with the aid of children, having a lawn service and handyman on call to do the routine yearly maintenance, then sell the house once the senior dies.

It’s unclear how this trend will work out, but it’s worth watching.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-05-14 10:19:30

Exactly. For a typical suburban lawn you can hire a teenager to mow it for $15/20 a cut. That’s less than $100 a month. Someone’s going to move out of their house to avoid paying $100 for lawn care and into an apartment that costs several hundred a month? Yeah that makes a lot of sense.

And besides most 95 year olds will probably find a grandson to do it for free if the $100/month was that much of a hardship. By 95 you’re talking great grand-kids old enough to mow a lawn as well.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2013-05-14 08:16:05

can’t mow the lawn or pay for repairs ??

Most of the time its due to health or injury…I just had a 85 year old neighbor fall and break her leg…Prior to, she would still go out and work her flower garden…Family says she is not coming back…House is going on the market…

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 08:37:44

They’re going to live fore ever? Really? REALLY?

There are 25 million excess empty houses in inventory. An additional 35 million excess empty houses will be left as 70 million boomers die ofF.

 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 04:56:43

“The Housing Market “Recovery” Is A Complete Myth”

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1151771-the-housing-market-recovery-is-a-complete-myth

With millions of excess empty houses, housing priced at massively inflated levels and housing demand lingering down at 17 year lows, there is no “housing recovery”. Besides, a “housing recovery” is dramatically lower prices by definition.

If you have a stake in housing, now is the time to get out while the getting is good.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 05:29:41

What does Germany get from the currency union which would lead it away from adopting the Luther bargaining position (”Here I stand, I cannot do otherwise.”)

Bloomberg News
ECB Picks Fight With Germany on Bank Rescue Plans
By Jim Brunsden and Rainer Buergin
May 14, 2013

The European Central Bank set up a clash with Germany as Executive Board member Joerg Asmussen pushed back against the country’s incremental approach to building a banking union.

Asmussen called today for the European Union to create a central agency and a common backstop for handling failing banks by “the summer of next year.” This is in marked contrast to warnings from German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble that the bloc cannot venture into such territory without changing its current treaties, and should instead target a less ambitious, networked approach.

“We want a single European resolution regime together with a single resolution agency and a single resolution fund that is financed by a levy on the banking industry,” Asmussen told reporters in Brussels before a meeting of EU finance chiefs. This should happen in parallel with the ECB’s planned assumption of bank oversight powers next year, he said.

EU leaders began work on a banking union last year to break the cycle of contagion between nations and their banks that has plagued the euro area since the region’s financial crisis emerged in Greece in 2009. They started by giving the ECB oversight powers, and committed to accompany this with a single “mechanism” for bank failures.

Comment by measton
2013-05-14 07:05:02

They get a cheap currency.
If they were still using the Mark there would be a big push of investors driving up the value of the Mark.

They also get access to markets. Without the Euro there would be more protectionism.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 05:32:25

They aren’t using the printing press, they are using psychology.

And ignore the man behind the curtain pulling those levers, please.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 05:33:36

Japan’s Central Bank Uses Psychology to Spark Inflation
By Bruce Einhorn
April 18, 2013

Japan’s long battle against deflation may finally be ending—or so Japanese officials want us to believe. Policymakers know that public expectation of more deflation can become self-fulfilling, so they’re trying to change the way ordinary Japanese think about prices. They see the fight against deflation not just as one that involves measures like quantitative easing, but also psych warfare: Once Japan’s consumers and business leaders believe prices will start rising, there’s a better chance people will go out and spend, putting pressure on prices to go up.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 05:44:13

What causes home buyers to panic? Is this an example of mass insanity (aka mania thinking)?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 05:45:47

China Real Estate, Property Market Slows, Panic Subsides
Paul A Ebeling Jr
Posted on: May 14th, 2013

The value of new home purchases in China rose at a slower pace in the first four months with home seekers feeling less panicky in April compared to a hectic March.

Sales of new residential properties, excluding government-subsidized affordable housing, jumped 65.2% from a year earlier to CNY 1.69-T (US$273-B) between January and April, the National Bureau of Statistics said Monday. That compared with 69% annual growth registered in Q-1.

By volume, new home purchases climbed 41.1% to 268-M sq meters during the 4 months, slightly down from January-March’s 41.2% growth rate.

As governments around the country released their local guidelines in response to a central government announcement to implement new tightening measures, panic buying and selling began to cool down, with markets, particularly in big cities, seeing signs of stabilizing,” said Lu Qilin, a Shanghai Deovolente Realty Co researcher.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 05:47:26

Posted by Rapti Gupta on May 14, 2013 05:55 AM EDT
China Home Sales Drop 13 Percent in April on Housing Curbs

Home sales in China dropped 13 percent in April compared to the figures of a month ago due to the housing curbs imposed by the Chinese government.

According to the reports published by the National Statistics Bureau Data of China, home sales in April declined to $80 billion from $92.7 billion recorded in March 2013. Around 854 million square feet of residential space was sold in April, which is down 15 percent from the figure in March.

Home sales grew to reach around $275 billion in the first quarter of 2013, down 3.8 percent from the growth in sales of the first quarter of 2012. Moreover, the total real estate investment in China was around $312 billion in the first quarter of 2013, which is around 20.2 percent lesser than the figures of the first four months of 2012, reports The South China Morning Post.

The stringent property curbs that the government has imposed are the major reason behind the fall.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 05:49:48

It’s a good thing that Wall Street is decoupled from China’s economy; otherwise news out of China’s stock market today could be worrisome for Wall Street traders.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 05:50:48

China shares headed for worst day in three weeks, weigh on Hong Kong
Tue May 14, 2013 1:02am EDT

* HSI -0.1 pct, H-shares -0.8 pct, CSI300 -2.0 pct

* China property sinks after beijing tightens pre-sales requirement

* Jiangxi Copper drops after Macquarie downgrade

* StanChart rebounds from more than 5-month closing low

By Clement Tan

HONG KONG, May 14 (Reuters) - Chinese shares were headed for their worst daily loss in three weeks on Tuesday, dragging Hong Kong markets into the red, after official media suggested that Beijing is unlikely to ease policy despite patchy April economic data.

The Chinese property sector was also hit by fears of more tightening after the 21st Century Business Herald newspaper reported that developers looking to obtain pre-sales licenses for new housing projects in Beijing now require both the approval of the deputy mayor and the housing bureau.

At midday, the CSI300 of the leading Shanghai and Shenzhen A-share listings was down 2 percent. The Shanghai Composite Index shed 1.6 percent. Both indexes are now due for their worst loss since April 23.

 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 05:53:22

When will the public finally understand what kind of swindlers these people are?

“Vernal real estate broker charged with forging termite inspection records”

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865579795/Vernal-real-estate-broker-charged-with-forging-termite-inspection-records.html?pg=all

Comment by azdude
2013-05-14 06:15:21

business as usual in real estate.

 
Comment by AmazingRuss
2013-05-14 07:19:41

Venal in Vernal.

Comment by rms
2013-05-14 08:02:27

Venal in Vernal.

+1 Good call.

 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 05:53:24

Bulletin U.S. import prices decline in April

May 14, 2013, 2:01 a.m. EDT
Philly Fed’s Plosser: Slow, then end, bond buys
Central banker says buys should be ended this year
By Steve Goldstein, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The Federal Reserve needs to slow asset purchases before stopping them, according to a policymaker talking about the central bank’s exit strategy for the first time since a major article was published on the subject.

The Federal Reserve should slow and then halt bond purchases when it’s time to exit from the central bank’s quantitative easing efforts, Philadelphia Fed President Charles Plosser said Tuesday from Stockholm. The Fed is buying $85 billion per month of Treasury and mortgage-backed securities.

Plosser isn’t a voting member this year on the interest-rate-setting Federal Open Market Committee, and his policies are consistently on the hawkish side of the spectrum. But he has played a key role in the Fed’s communication strategy.

“A precursor to an exit must be to slow and then halt the continued expansion of the balance sheet. This would not necessarily indicate that increases in the policy rate were imminent. Rather, it would indicate that efforts to increase accommodation were coming to a close,” Plosser said.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 06:01:55

The Fed sure is engaged in plenty of discussion these days about taking away the punch bowl. Is it empty rhetoric, or do they mean business?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 06:06:07

Funny how bond traders react quickly to this growing perception, while Wall Street parties on. But I guess it makes sense, as any biologist can attest that ursines are smarter than ungulates.

Up and Down Wall Street | TUESDAY, MAY 14, 2013
Fears of Less Fed Largesse Rattle Bonds, Not Stocks

By RANDALL W. FORSYTH | MORE ARTICLES BY AUTHOR
Prospects of a tapered Fed push up global-government bonds but equity markets don’t see the risk.

The notion that the Federal Reserve may pull away the punchbowl is rippling through bond markets around the globe. When those waves wash up upon the equity markets is another question.

Following a widely anticipated story in the Wall Street Journal that hit its website Friday evening — after global markets had shut down for the week — that the Fed was preparing its so-called exit strategy from its $1 trillion a year bond-buying program, the yield on the benchmark 10-year U.S. Treasury note yield rose to the highest level in more than six weeks, to 1.92%, more than a quarter percentage point (25 basis points) more than the recent low.

Since then, U.S. economic data have been largely better than the market’s generally subdued expectations, most recently a 0.1% rise in April retail sales, compared to an anticipated dip because of lower gasoline prices at the pump and in contrast to the 0.5% drop in March.

Please note the government’s report on retail sales takes in far more than what consumers drop at outlets of what the stock market calls “retailers” such as department stores. It also takes in spending on gasoline and food, whether to be consumed at restaurants or at home. Less spending at the pump may drag down the government’s retail-sales tally in a particular month but will make consumers more flush. Moreover, the retail-sales report is perhaps the most revision-prone series of any of the government’s stats. The point is to take any month’s report with an unhealthy chunk of salt.

Be that as it may, the jump in Treasury yields has been largely matched in markets for other governments’ bonds. In tandem with the U.S. government securities market, yields on Germany, British, French and Italian government obligations 10 basis points . Ditto Japan’s government bonds, despite the full-court press by the Bank of Japan to buy the securities to revive the nation’s economy, which has been in a torpor for more than two decades, by driving down the yen.

 
Comment by azdude
2013-05-14 06:08:41

its a means to tone down irrational exubernace in the stock market.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 06:09:45

A better way to tone it down would be a 10%+ correction.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 06:11:05

The Tell
The Markets News and Analysis Blog
This stocks vs. Treasury chart shows how QE throws bond prices for a loop
May 13, 2013, 2:19 PM

Treasury prices were down Monday after the release of stronger-than-expected retail sales growth data. Stocks also spent much of the session lower on the potential news that the Federal Reserve could continue to taper its asset purchases.

This tandem movement defies conventional wisdom that dictates that as stock prices fall, Treasury prices rise. When investors exit the riskier reaches of the capital markets (like equities), they move into its safe havens (Treasurys), and vice versa. In fact, that’s one aim of the Federal Reserve’s massive bond buying program — to push investors out of government debt and into investments like stocks, helping accelerate the recovery in household net worth.

While stocks have done better when bonds have done worse during 2013, the relationship hasn’t necessarily been that straightforward. Andrew Wilkinson, chief economic strategist at Miller Tabak & Co. LLC, charted the SPDR S&P 500 ETF SPY +0.06% against the iShares Barclays 20+Year Treasury Bond Fund ETF TLT +0.48% , and found that year-to-April, the equity ETF returned 9.8% while the bond ETF returned 3.5%.

That highlights a discrepancy between bond and equity performance, which has widened as bonds have sold off in May. (Month-to-date, the S&P 500 ETF is up 2.32% while the bond ETF has fallen 4.29%.) But it does indicate that for much of the year, the two asset classes have moved along the same general trajectory. That could indicate one asset class is mispricing risks in the market. Wilkinson’s colleague Jonathan Krinsky, chief technical market analyst at Miller Tabak, says there could be a short-term correction in equities.

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Comment by oxide
2013-05-14 06:33:37

I don’t think even 10% is enough. I suspect that if we were to price the DOW based on goods and services, a 25% is closer to the mark.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 08:32:44

Tain’t gonna happen, so why even bother to discuss?

 
 
 
 
Comment by measton
2013-05-14 07:06:54

It’s all part of a push to move mom and pop into the market for another sheering.

 
 
Comment by ICLEI
2013-05-14 06:08:16

Google-Berg: Global Elite Transforms Itself For Technocratic Revolution

May 13, 2013

The secretive Bilderberg Group is currently undergoing a major transformation that will see it and other high profile networks merge under the banner of Google as the elite accelerates its plan to consolidate its technocratic agenda.

Put simply, Bilderberg is merging with Google under the stewardship of Google CEO Eric Schmidt, a regular Bilderberg attendee. Google’s annual Zeitgeist conference, which has been based at the Grove since 2007, immediately precedes the Bilderberg Group conference by a matter of days.

The direction in which this is all heading can clearly be surmised from remarks made by Eric Schmidt himself, who has repeatedly made it clear that he thinks privacy is a relic of the past and plans to turn Google into the ultimate Big Brother that makes George Orwell’s 1984 look like a children’s fairy tale.

“We don’t need you to type at all. We know where you are. We know where you’ve been. We can more or less know what you’re thinking about.”

“I actually think most people don’t want Google to answer their questions [...] They want Google to tell them what they should be doing next.”

“If you have something that you don’t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place.”

“We need a [verified] name service for people,” he said. “Governments will demand it.” (Chinese-style Internet control).

“We know everything you’re doing and the government can track you.”

“We will know your position down to the foot and down to the inch over time…Your car will drive itself, it’s a bug that cars were invented before computers…you’re never lonely…you’re never bored…you’re never out of ideas.”

In numerous speeches, including those made at Google Zeitgeist, Schmidt has outlined his vision for a collectivist, permanently networked world in which individuality and privacy are ostracized and those who refuse to sign up to the new religion of transhumanism are shunned as sub-human savages.

That is the primary agenda now being formulated by Google Zeitgeist luminaries in concert with the Bilderberg Group, which shares many of the same members.

http://www.infowars.com/google-berg-global-elite-transforms-itself-for-technocratic-revolution/ -

Comment by Joe the bootstrapping rugged individualist
2013-05-14 08:06:58

When you put it this way, Robert Scoble looks increasingly like Joseph Goebbels. And Tim Draper is Hermann Goring. etc.

 
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-05-14 11:37:17

Download the Tor Browser. Everyone’s doing it.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2013-05-14 14:47:35

““If you have something that you don’t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place.””

This is not bad advice. It sounds like something my mother should have told me.

I might rephrase it for the twitter generation, “If you have something you don’t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn’t be tweeting about it.”

Comment by ICLEI
2013-05-14 15:14:57

““If you have something that you don’t want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place.””

Like supporting Ron Paul or having a non-profit with tea party or constitution or limited government or Bill of Rights in the name.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2013-05-14 20:08:53

You don’t want people to know that you support Ron Paul? I was thinking more along the lines of embarrassing photos of oneself, like the before-diet pictures I have been thinking I should take.

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2013-05-14 14:54:33

It became obvious to me about 10 years ago that privacy was becoming an endangered species. Anything you do or say will be held as evidence against you.

Real estate management companies are now requiring criminal background checks. I’m not worried unless some criminal has stolen my identity. And I won’t find out about it until I need a new job or place to live.

Comment by sfhomowner
2013-05-14 15:11:27

Serious downside of buying a house: loss of privacy. Sites like blockshopper and even your county assessor’s website tell all.

 
 
 
Comment by goon squad
2013-05-14 06:10:59

“50 percent of voters 18-29 identifies as hipsters … Hipsterdom includes the fervent denial that you are a hipster or think highly of hipsters … Overall, 77 percent of those polled said they were not hipsters, 10 percent said they were, and an additional 13 percent noted that they were not sure … Of those polled, only 21 percent think PBR is actually a good beer.”

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2013/05/13/hipsters-are-mainstream-poll-finds/

Comment by Joe the bootstrapping rugged individualist
2013-05-14 07:12:20

Hipsters don’t have to look dirty, unkempt, or aloof. I don’t look like a hipster, nor do a lot of other people I know, but if you look at life decisions or consumption patterns I know lots of hipsters. My own personal worst nightmare is to be some consumerist suburban yuppie driving long distances to work for some random corp that would F me over without a second thought and then returning home each night to multiple kids who need rides to church, soccer games, or Disney.

I get chills just thinking about this ^^^ scenario.

Comment by perkonkrusts
2013-05-14 11:19:04

“My own personal worst nightmare is to be some consumerist suburban yuppie driving long distances to work for some random corp that would F me over without a second thought and then returning home each night to multiple kids who need rides to church, soccer games, or Disney.”

Let’s see, as far as myself:
1) Consumerist suburban yuppie - Check
2) Work for some random corp that would F me over without a second thought - Check
3) Return home each night to multiple kids - Check
4) Rides to church soccer games, Disney - Check
5) Long distances to work - No, just two miles, see, that’s not me!!!!

Comment by joe the bootstrapper
2013-05-14 13:48:03

pwned.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2013-05-14 13:57:36

Not really. Returning home to kids is frequently highly underrated by those who don’t. It’s easy to see the downside of kids but you can’t understand the upside until you have your own. And it continues to get better as you get older.

 
 
 
Comment by sfhomowner
2013-05-14 14:21:37

I get chills just thinking about this ^^^ scenario.

You just described my nightmare to a T

 
 
Comment by ICLEI
2013-05-14 07:48:22

Does the IRS target hipsters too?

 
Comment by polly
2013-05-14 08:15:37

You know that is a humor column/blog/whatever, right?

 
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-05-14 11:34:22

PBR is only good if use a straw. Try it.

 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 06:38:53

Bloomberg guest analyst reported “areas with high levels of home debtor ship has much higher levels of unemployment and weaker local economies.”

“Don’t put too much money or faith into a house.”

“if you have to move for a job, rent”

“renting has too many powerful advantages over homeownership”

Buying a house in the current environmentputs you and your family in a weakened state. Enslavement to a massive mortgage payment for 30 long years to end up with nothing at the end is precisely what the system wants for you. Don’t debilitate and weaken yourself and your family. The calamitous events relating to housing have barely begun.

Comment by Carl Morris
2013-05-14 08:44:41

Enslavement to a massive mortgage payment for 30 long years to end up with nothing at the end is precisely what the system wants for you.

But it’s nothing personal. They just want the fruits of your lifetime of labor. If you’re willing to give it to them, why not?

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2013-05-14 14:47:26

Yep. I recently said to my wife, “Is it me or does it seem like all of these people are after every last penny we have?”

(Or as my former boss used to tell us, “Your one and only job is to take as much money as possible from your customers.”)

And why shouldn’t they be, when consumers seem to line up for the privilege of spending all their money?

Side note: You’d think people would know what Apple has to offer by now especially given that, to my knowledge, they don’t have a new product release. Had to go into the mall this weekend and wouldn’t you know it? Apple store completely mobbed…

 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2013-05-14 08:35:44

Uh-oh. Here comes another bubble.

Bankers: College debt bubble mimics housing bubble

Comment by michael
2013-05-14 09:29:15

all in the name of affordability.

Comment by goon squad
2013-05-14 09:47:22

It’s “for the children”

Comment by michael
2013-05-14 10:39:34

it basically a debt financed wealth re-distribution policy that makes the wall street banksters richer.

i think they would call that a win win…unless you’re a member of the “forgotten man” class.

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Comment by ICLEI
2013-05-14 08:49:27

“European Union governments want to shift the cost of rescuing troubled banks from taxpayers to the banks’ creditors”

Cause they know the taxpayers have already been raped and got nothing else to take.

Posted: 10:40 a.m. Tuesday, May 14, 2013

EU to shift bill for bank failures to creditors

By JUERGEN BAETZ

The Associated Press

BRUSSELS —

European Union governments want to shift the cost of rescuing troubled banks from taxpayers to the banks’ creditors, including the holders of large deposits as a last resort.

The finance ministers from the 27-nation bloc met Tuesday in Brussels to hammer out the new rules on how to fund bank rescues as part of their wider project to set up a banking union. The union is key to their plans to strengthen the financial sector avoid a repeat of the crisis.

“This is at the moment the biggest project for Europe,” said Dutch Finance Minister Jeroen Dijsselbloem. “It’s absolutely important to get it right.”

The bloc should move swiftly and get all elements of the banking union running by 2015, well before the initial deadline of 2018, added Dijsselbloem, who also chairs the meetings of the 17-country eurozone’s finance ministers.

Tuesday’s meeting focused on establishing a hierarchy of which bank creditors have to take losses — to be involved in a so-called “bail-in” — in case the bank needs rescuing. The ministers mostly agreed that banks’ shareholders and capital must take the first hit. After that, the pecking order becomes less clear, with junior and senior bond holders and, ultimately, all the banks’ clients on the line.

The ministers said holders of deposits of over 100,000 euros ($130,000) — the EU’s deposit insurance ceiling — could be asked to suffer losses. They said, however, that depositors would only be asked to take losses as a last resort and that there could be exceptions. All deposits below 100,000 euros must and will be “sacrosanct,” insisted EU Commissioner Michel Barnier, who is in charge of financial market reform.
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Irish Finance Minister Noonan Proposes Bail In Policy

May 7, 2013

Under the presidency of the EU, the Irish finance minister Michael Noonan(2012 Bilderberg attendee) has proposed making the Cyprus theft “bail in” using deposits over €100k policy for future bank collapses. The BIS sets the banking agenda and they want depositors raped when banks collapse along with using “bail ins” to pay for bankers remuneration (big bonuses) according to a recent paper. Judging by the state of European banks, a lot of people are going to have their wealth wiped out and everyone will be at the same wealth level in the Orwellian EUSSR.

Moving the burden

This year Jeroen Dijsselbloem, head of the group of 17 euro zone finance ministers, said that losses on bondholders and depositors could form part of future bank bailouts as euro zone officials seek to move the burden of bailouts away from taxpayers – as was the case in the Irish bailout – and on to private investors.

http://alternativeeconomics.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/irish-finance-minister-noonan-proposes-bail-in-policy/ - 64k -

Comment by ICLEI
2013-05-14 09:19:18

If I was planning on pulling this sh#t in the states, I wouldn`t want anyone to have 30 round mags or ammo either.

Comment by ecofeco
2013-05-14 10:18:44

Shouldn’t the creditors bear the risks as well?

In fact, shouldn’t it be the creditors and investors and NOT the taxpayers?

Comment by In Colorado
2013-05-14 11:27:42

That’s commie talk!

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Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-05-14 11:31:51

Wait. So the depositors are creditors, then? I thought the central banks were the creditors.

 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-05-14 09:18:00

http://newsroom.transunion.com/press-releases/transunion-housing-analysis-finds-mortgage-delinqu-1016827#.UZJifrXql8E

The summary quote from the article:

“The newer vintages are performing quite well, and even the older vintages, at one time deteriorating quickly, are now contributing new delinquent borrowers at rates nearly identical to the good-performing newer mortgages.”

AND

“It’s no longer a credit quality or home price depreciation issue, and we are not adding many new delinquent mortgage borrowers into the pool these days,” said Martin. “Instead, it’s an issue of the timelines to cure or foreclose. We are simply not draining the pool very fast; and the size of the ‘drain’ varies significantly by state.”

The pig is in the python folks. Some states are digesting faster than others.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 09:44:51

“home price depreciation issue”

But houses don’t depreciate!

Yeah… pig in the python. Only another 25 MILLION excess, empty and defaulted houses to $hit out.

 
 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-05-14 10:05:42

Wanted: Workers to staff an economic recovery in Idaho

“A few years ago, Idahoans couldn’t find a job. Now employers may not be able to find workers. Now, with Idaho’s economy perking up, the state Department of Labor says Idaho faces a new problem: There may not be enough workers to fuel a robust recovery.

A confluence of demographic trends - a rising number of older residents not in the workforce, and a decline in workers ages 25-29 - threaten to mute the state’s comeback. “We may not flourish in the recovery,” says Bob Uhlenkott, the department’s chief research officer…….

Treasure Valley numbers show that residential construction levels are nearly back to prerecession highs, fueled by the reluctance or inability of homeowners to put their homes on the market at still-depressed prices. Some homeowners still owe more on their mortgages than their homes are worth.

In 2012, Meridian issued more than 1,000 residential construction permits for the first time since 2006. In Boise, single-family residential construction permits reached 568, just 20 short of the number issued in 2006.”

Comment by Carl Morris
2013-05-14 10:39:49

There may not be enough workers to fuel a robust recovery.

That would make me nervous if there were a robust recovery based on fundamentals right around the corner. Actually it wouldn’t…I would just be happy that maybe pay was going to increase. But I doubt a recovery based on manipulation will be so robust.

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-05-14 10:44:42

What’s your yardstick to determine what is a recovery based on fundamentals vs. based on something else?

Comment by usury camp resident
2013-05-14 12:54:58

What about unemployment rate, # of hrs worked, income rises, # people not in labor force, # of people receiving food stamps?

I am not even talking about the debt/deficits/money printing.

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Comment by joe the bootstrapper
2013-05-14 13:56:51

I think the % of people 18-65 who are *not* in the labor force for *any* reason is the best gauge of whether we have a real recovery or not. As long as that is falling, I doubt we have a real recovery on our hands.

 
 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-05-14 14:04:49

What’s your yardstick to determine what is a recovery based on fundamentals vs. based on something else?

I’d start with artificially low interest rates and endless QE and sequestration of the shadow inventory via FASB 157, but everything ucr said above works for me too.

Literally everything is being manipulated right now. Doesn’t that make you at least a little suspicious of the “robust recovery” story?

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Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-05-14 11:29:32

They need to hire 3 million illegal immigrants from Guadalupe.

 
Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2013-05-14 16:24:32

‘Treasure Valley numbers show that residential construction levels are nearly back to prerecession highs, fueled by the reluctance or inability of homeowners to put their homes on the market at still-depressed prices.’

Does this mean builders may undermine the underwater house owners who want to sell? They build units that go for lower prices than the homeowner can? Open development areas may host that scenario more. Lots of open land in Idaho methinks. Areas like the Boston/ Washington corridor, maybe not so much. Is building booming in Phoenix and Las Vegas btw?

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2013-05-14 10:24:27

Benghazi is just a smoke screen diversion for taking away your overtime pay.

The House has passed a bill this week allowing employers to substitute comp days for overtime pay. At 1 to 1.

No time and half and in reality, no days off. (how many here have had problems taking comp days? Yeah, just about everyone I know.)

Google it.

We deserve the government we have.

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-05-14 10:46:30

Only if you take that option. The bill says you have a choice, get overtime or get time off. If you want overtime, take overtime. Google it.

Comment by ecofeco
2013-05-14 10:50:21

That’s not how it works it “right to work states”. You take the fake comp time or you get fired.

Google it.

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-05-14 11:40:10

I did. Here’s what that right wing rap NPR says about it…

“Overtime or comp time? Which one suits you best?

Both you and your boss may agree it would be best for you to work a sixth day when a big project is due in March, and then take off for a long weekend in June. No big deal. But under the , private employers must pay time and a half to workers who put in more than 40 hours on the job in any one week. In most cases, workers are eager to get that overtime pay. But some might want more flexibility about how they get compensated for extra hours.

The bill would allow employees to ***choose*** between taking cash wages or getting comp time, accrued at the same time-and-a-half rate as overtime pay. The employer ***could not force*** a worker to take comp time but would permit stockpiling up to 160 hours. At the end of the year, the worker could convert any unused comp time for cash wages at that point.”

Did you catch that key word? Choose. As in if you as an employee CHOOSE overtime pay you get overtime pay. If you CHOOSE time off, you get time off.

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Comment by measton
2013-05-14 12:21:52

The employer ***could not force*** a worker to take comp time

Right

but the employer could fire the employee for any # of reasons at any time. So when they fill out the form explaining why the employee was fired it will say it was due to a bad attitude or poor work performance when in reality it was because they wouldn’t work a 60 hour work week and take time off when and only when the employer told them too. Eventually word will get out to the other employees that they better tow the line or they will get fired.

 
Comment by oxide
2013-05-14 12:42:21

Yes, you can “choose” the overtime pay instead of comp days. And then next time there’s extra work, the employer will “choose” to give that extra work to someone who “chose” the comp days over overtime pay. And if you “choose” to complain, the employer will “choose” to find a reason to lay you off.

If you’re in a field where you’re the only one qualified to do the extra work, then you’re probably on salary and it’s a moot point.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-05-14 12:47:22

You realize this is all legal in govt work right? All this bill does is make it legal in the private sector. Why do you want govt workers to have more choice than private sector workers? And if your employer is one that will fire your for such a reason, guess what they;ll fire you for another 100 reasons if you have no value. As is always the case, if you provide value to your employer you don’t have to worry about these things. If you’re dead wood, you will be let go comp time or no comp time.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-05-14 13:07:13

Why do you want govt workers to have more choice than private sector workers?

When you work for the government, you can exert your rights as an employee and not get fired- like how it used to be when we had labor unions. Exert your rights as an employee in the private sector now, and you will often get fired, or be first in line if there is a layoff, just as everyone else has pointed out.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2013-05-14 13:12:07

Missed that whole “..or get fired thing” did you, Smithers?

Ever tried to fight a labor dispute when unemployed?

Must be nice to have such a sheltered life.

 
Comment by cactus
2013-05-14 13:26:11

Exert your rights as an employee in the private sector now, and you will often get fired, or be first in line if there is a layoff, just as everyone else has pointed out.’

fired or get a very low review and no raise

been there done that

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2013-05-14 10:43:46

As we saw with the housing bubble.

First sales drop. Then stop.

Then prices stop rising.

Then homeowners say “I am just not going to give it away…”

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The College Bubble Is Finally Bursting
Business Insider | 05/13/2013 | Rob Wile

Private colleges are offering record financial assistance to keep classrooms full, according to the Wall Street Journal’s Ruth Simon.

Some schools are seeing just 20% of the students they accepted enrolling, versus the usual rate of 33%. These schools have raised tuition discount rate — the price after grants and scholarships — to an all-time high of 45%.

Meanwhile, the median sticker price increased just 3.9% last fall, the smallest gains in 12 years. And at public schools, the sticker price climbed just 4.8%, also a 12-year low.

For the Washington Examiner’s Michael Barone, this makes it official: the college bubble has finally burst: Applicants are negotiating bigger discounts than they used to. Market competition has kicked in.

What has happened is that in a recessionary and sluggish economy potential customers have been figuring out that a college diploma may not be a good investment — particularly if it entails six-figure college loan debt that cannot be discharged in bankruptcy.

The Millennial Generation that voted so heavily for Barack Obama — 66 to 32 percent in 2008, 60 to 37 percent in 2012 — has had a hard time finding jobs, even with diplomas in hand. Especially if their degrees are in gender studies or similar fields beloved of academics. Moody’s Investors Service Managing Director John Nelson basically agrees, telling Simon, “we have hit a tipping point on price.”

Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-05-14 11:24:30

I think you should get a degree in “Connecting President Obama to Everything Bad in the World”.

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-05-14 11:58:56

I hear that degree is available from Blame Bush University.

Comment by ecofeco
2013-05-14 14:56:40

Are you sure it’s not “Just Where ARE those WMDs?” community college?

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Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-05-14 10:49:45

Nixon’s in his grave thinking “and they impeached ME?”

KMOV anchor: The IRS is targeting me
By DYLAN BYERS |
5/14/13 12:44 PM EDT

Larry Connors, a veteran local news anchor at KMOV Channel 4 in St. Louis, says that the Internal Revenue Service has been targeting him since an April 2012 interview he conducted with President Obama — a fact that he dismissed as coincidence until the recent reports about the IRS targeting conservative groups.

“Shortly after I did my April 2012 interview with President Obama, my wife, friends and some viewers suggested that I might need to watch out for the IRS. I don’t accept ‘conspiracy theories’, but I do know that almost immediately after the interview, the IRS started hammering me,” Connors wrote on his Facebook page late Monday night.

According to his account, his questions for Obama touched on the economy and spending but were not exceptional in nature. But following “allegations that the IRS focused on various groups and/or individuals questioning or criticizing government spending, taxes, debt or how the government is run,” Connors now believes there may be a possible connection.”

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 11:20:04
 
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-05-14 11:21:14

I want to flip! Someone talk me down :(

 
Comment by cactus
2013-05-14 13:20:19

By Diana Olick | CNBC – 4 hours ago

“Even as the stock market soars into record territory, real estate investment trusts (REITs) are shooting past it. U.S. REIT returns were more than three times those of the broader equity market in April, according to a new report from NAREIT, the REIT industry association. REITs have also outperformed the market in the first four months of this year.

“The REITs are direct beneficiaries of Ben Bernanke and his fellow global central bankers who are all following the same QE/currency debasement playbook,” said Alexander Goldfarb, of Sandler O’Neill. “Investors continue to scramble for total return, and that pressure is pushing up prices and thus compressing yield. REITs offer earnings and dividend growth as well as inflation protection.”

Institutional investors are especially drawn to REITs because they provide not just earnings growth, but strong dividend growth. REITs are required to distribute at least 90 percent of taxable income to shareholders in the form of dividends. Also, real estate is relatively inexpensive right now.

“Physical real estate is attracting institutional investors because there is a positive spread between how much it costs to finance real estate versus the income generated,” added Goldfarb.

 
Comment by Neuromance
2013-05-14 13:50:57

In a private market without government guarantees, junk debt wouldn’t be a problem. It would explode, people would take losses, some might go to jail, and the situation would automatically adjust. But, with government guarantees somewhere along the line, implicit or explicit - well that is how one can put the right stamps on junk debt and get paid top dollar for it.

Ratings Shopping Revived in Asset-Backed Rebound: Credit Markets
By Matt Robinson, Jody Shenn & Sarah Mulholland
Bloomberg
May 14, 2013 12:41 PM ET

Almost six years after the start of the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, bond issuers are again exploiting credit ratings by seeking firms that will provide high grades on debt backed by assets from auto loans to office buildings considered inappropriate by rivals.

Fitch Ratings isn’t grading a deal linked to a Manhattan skyscraper after saying investors needed more protection. The securities won top grades from Moody’s Investors Service and Kroll Bond Rating Agency Inc. Blackstone Group LP’s Exeter Finance Corp. got top-tier ratings from Standard & Poor’s and DBRS Ltd. in the past 15 months on $629 million of bonds backed by car loans to people with bad credit histories, even as Moody’s and Fitch said they wouldn’t grant such rankings.

n 1975, the SEC designated S&P, Moody’s and Fitch as Nationally Recognized Statistical Rating Organizations, or NRSROs, and required some investors to buy only securities stamped with the companies’ creditworthiness opinions.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-14/ratings-shopping-revived-in-asset-backed-rebound-credit-markets.html

Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-05-14 14:16:35

Oh, so THAT’S how I got 0% interest with 0% down on my new car. It’s all starting to make sense now. I don’t have bad credit, but still.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-05-14 18:15:13

In a private market without government guarantees, junk debt wouldn’t be a problem. It would explode, people would take losses, some might go to jail, and the situation would automatically adjust.

Why did we have all those depressions back before there were government guarantees?

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-05-14 13:59:26

Congressional Budget Office Estimates that deficit will drop to $642B this fiscal year. Which is about 17% of the total Federal budget.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/14/news/economy/deficits-falling/index

 
Comment by Attaboy Clarence
2013-05-14 15:27:14

Florida man pleads guilty for taking people’s homes then renting them out

by Kim Miller

A 37-year-old man from Lecanto, Fla. pleaded guilty Friday to conspiracy charges in connection with a nationwide foreclosure rescue scam that coerced struggling borrowers to surrender their homes, which would then be rented out for profit.

Jason Sant, 37, operated the scheme with Mark Farhood, 49, formerly of San Diego, according to the Office of the Special Inspector General of the Troubled Asset Relief Program.

The duo co-owned Home Advocate Trustees, which also went by the names Walk Away Today, First Equity Trustees, Home Security Consultants, Sell Fast USA, Short Sale Buyer, USA Sell House Fast and USA Rental Housing. Their pleas were made in federal court.

They marketed themselves as buyers of distressed real estate, saying they negotiated with lenders to purchase mortgage notes at a discount after obtaining the deed from the homeowner. Once they had the property, they would rent it out to unsuspecting tenants and submit false mortgage modification applications after the home fell into foreclosure.

“As Sant and Farhood admitted in connection with their pleas, the businesses were a fraud, no such negotiations with lenders ever took place, and the scheme was merely a way for them to take possession of hundreds of residential properties at virtually no cost and then reap millions of dollars in profits by renting the homes to unsuspecting tenants,” according to a statement released this afternoon.

Farhood and Sant each face a maximum penalty of 30 years in prison when they are sentenced on August 2, 2013, and August 9, 2013, respectively.

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2013-05-14 16:04:59

As seen on CNBC today.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100736121?__source=xfinity|mod&ticket=ST-117862-lQv7Z5SYATQTJg2P9has9n1N6gSTpViRk9O-20&rememberMe=null

The Canadian housing finance system is very different from the one that prevailed in the United States in the years before the U.S. housing bubble burst—but that might not be enough to avoid a major housing and mortgage crash in Canada.

When I write about that’ country’s housing bubble, the most frequent rebuttal is that comparisons with the U.S. bubble and bust are inappropriate because nearly all mortgages in Canada are “full recourse” loans—meaning that borrowers are on the hook for the full mortgage amount even in the case of a foreclosure.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 16:40:31

In short, it’s very different up there in the Great White North.

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2013-05-14 17:40:52

A little further down in the article:

Why would recourse loans not be as effective as many people think they are? One possibility is that getting a deficiency judgment encourages banks to make riskier loans in a booming housing market. Since the lender does not bear the risk of falling housing prices, they may be more willing to lend into a housing bubble.

In fact, there have been calls for outright prohibition of full recourse loans in Ireland on the grounds that they encourage irresponsible lending.

Comment by Happy2bHeard
2013-05-14 17:43:06

And this:

Full recourse loans may also exacerbate the economic downturn that accompanies a slump in housing prices. Rational borrowers will reduce consumption to save when falling housing prices put them at risk of deficiency judgments. As consumption spending falls, the economy contracts—which puts more homeowners at risk of default. This can prompt a recessionary downward spiral.

 
 
 
Comment by cactus
2013-05-14 16:20:42

Listing #13005151
$475,000 (LP)
$500,000 (SP)
Price/SqFt: 235.85
SP % LP: 105.26 12071 Alderbrook St, Moorpark, CA 93021 Sold
Beds: 3* Baths: 3 (2 0 1 0) (FTHQ) Sq Ft: 2120* Lot Sz: 4879sqft*
Area: SMP Yr: 1987

25k over list price Check out the lot size really small for this big house

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-05-14 18:30:52

Todays sale at a grossly inflated price is tomorrows default.

It’s the way the world is.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 16:38:43

The “Equity Premium Puzzle” is back.

What to watch: Stocks still better value than bonds
Adam Shell, USA TODAY; @adamshell
5:55 p.m. EDT May 14, 2013
nyse floor may 14 2013

NEW YORK — U.S. stocks, which hit another record high Tuesday, aren’t as cheap as they were when this bull market began in March 2009. But by one valuation measure, they’re still more attractively priced than the 10-year U.S. Treasury note, a fixed-income investment that investors flocked to during and after the 2008 financial crisis and Great Recession.

When valuing stocks on a price-to-earnings basis, the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index is now trading at nearly 16 times its earnings over the past four quarters, roughly in line or a bit higher than the long-term average P-E ratio of 15.

But another metric, the so-called “earnings yield” on the S&P 500, makes stocks look like a better value relative to bonds, according to an analysis by Sam Stovall, chief equity strategist at S&P Capital IQ. The current earnings per share (EPS) yield of the S&P 500 is 5.4%, which is nearly three times as high as the current 1.95% yield on the 10-year Treasury note, the widest gap since 1955. Since World War II, the EPS yield averaged 1.6 times that of the 10-year U.S. government bond.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 18:28:20

So far, since May 1, 2013 (two weeks ago), 30-year Treasury yields have climbed from 2.83% to 3.17%, for a loss of 6.55% so far. Another 10 bps increase in yields would drive the loss on the month to 10%.

Luckily for Wall Street investors, they know better than to buy bonds right now, as the stock market always goes up, while everyone knows that bonds are a “bad bet.”

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 18:30:13

Typo correction: A 20 bps yield increase (from 3.17% up to 3.37%) would be needed for the drop in value of the 30-year Treasury since May 1 to reach 10%.

P.S. Why am I reporting this information? Because you can’t find it anywhere in the MSM (at least so far as I am aware).

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 22:23:03

Why would anyone besides the Fed buy Treasurys at this point, when buying stocks is a sure-fire alternative to make money?

Steve Schaefer, Forbes Staff
If you can put the word market after it, I cover it.
Markets
5/14/2013 @ 6:30PM
Bang For The Buck: S&P Earnings Yield Triple That Of 10-Year Treasury
(Photo by Spencer Platt/Getty Images)

Yields on 10-year U.S. Treasury notes have backed up a bit of late, but at 1.9% they are still just over one -third the 5.4% earnings per share yield of the S&P 500, writes S&P Capital IQ investment guru Sam Stovall.

Stovall notes the disparity has not been so drastic since 1955, and while history is no guarantee the track record of the succeeding periods after similar disparities is good for stocks: when the EPS yield has been better than two times that of the 10-year Treasury stocks have risen over the next 12 months 71% of the time for a gain of 11.8%.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 18:45:56

That Vanguard REIT that FPSS suggested I not buy is up over 19% in one year. Go figure!

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-05-14 20:01:04

Good work!

My Roth IRAs are up 14.5% YTD. My company stock is up 32% YTD. Vanguard 500 index fund up more than 16% YTD. My net worth is up 7.6% YTD, even though I paid $30,000 or so additional income taxes in April. My equities weight is now 63% and I try to be at 57%, no higher.

Gotta buy fewer shares of company stock in the next purchase period.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-05-14 21:48:32

I wonder what’s dragging down their average…the individual REITs I own are up substantially more than that, even excluding dividends.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 22:20:16

Don’t know — don’t care. I’m happy with a 19% annual return when safe Treasurys are yielding in the 2-3 percent range.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2013-05-14 22:26:55

Maybe the advice wasn’t that you shouldn’t buy REITs, just not THAT particular REIT! :-)

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 22:30:44

Sheesh — you guys are demanding. If I could get 19% per year on all my investments from now on, I’d die happy.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-05-14 22:29:10

Is it safe to say that “Sell in May, go way” isn’t working any more, because this year is different?

 
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