It Feels Like That Feeding Frenzy Again
The Sun Sentinel reports from Florida. “South Florida investors flipped 4,299 homes last year, up 36 percent from 2011. They bought at an average price of $138,064 and resold at an average of $189,291. Orlando was the top market for flipped homes, with a 63 percent gross profit, RealtyTrac said. ‘When I put a house back up for sale, it usually goes very quickly,’ said Bruno Duarte, a 34-year-old former stock broker. ‘Prices since last year have risen a lot. Houses I used to buy for $70,000 or $75,000 cost $80,000 now. They’re costing a little more to buy, but they’re also selling for higher prices, too.’”
The Herald Tribune. “A little-known component of a U.S. immigration reform bill snaking its way through Congress could bolster foreign retirees’ ability to purchase Florida homes. Under the proposed federal reform, the stays in the U.S. of Canadian visitors and real estate buyers could be extended. It also would grant temporary visas to foreigners from any country who pay cash for luxury real estate in the U.S. Area Realtors hope relaxed immigration rules could further lift sales to a segment of buyers that already is energizing the housing market, especially Canadians and Europeans, who typically travel to the area for vacations.”
“‘I go up to Canada every year, show them pictures of palm trees and beaches, and they come on down,’ said Bill Weed, a Realtor with brokerage firm Michael Saunders & Co. in Lakewood Ranch. ‘It feels like that feeding frenzy again.’”
From Florida Today. “When Bobbie Dyer of Dyer Mortgage Group was able to secure a loan for first-time home buyer Emelee Arbuckle, the latter started crying. They were tears of happiness from the 22-year-old Arbuckle, who was taking a big step with her future by purchasing a home in Rockledge. ‘I had looked into renting, and I could rent a two-bedroom apartment for around $700 to $800 a month and that wasn’t including the other essentials,’ said Arbuckle, a production coordinator at The Highland Mint in Melbourne. ‘I could buy a house and pay a mortgage, and end up owning it for as little as $700 a month,’ she said.”
“The house cost Arbuckle, who eventually wants to become an art therapist, $100,000 and she pays $780 for her mortgage. Arbuckle, who attends Brevard Community College and operates a small design business, said the housing crash a few years ago was a good teachable moment to reflect on, but it didn’t paralyze her from deciding to purchase a home.”
“‘Yes and no it had an impact,’ Arbuckle said of the housing market swing. ‘I know how bad it can get because the value of my parents’ home skyrocketed and then it plummeted within a year. I know there’s a risk. But I’m not spending this money and having it going to waste.’”
The Palm Beach Post. “In West Palm Beach, new rental applications increased from 296 in 2011 to 399 last year, with a hefty number coming from international and out-of-state buyers, said Sandy Wuraftic, the city’s license permit supervisor. But not everyone follows the rules. ‘We have one person who owns 150 homes and hasn’t registered any of them,’ Wuraftic said. ‘We’ll eventually catch up to him.’”
“The fragile sense of community in homeowner Bryan Melzard’s neighborhood - the impromptu chats on the sidewalk, shared gripes about overzealous condo commandos - is fading. More renters are moving into his Greenacres, Fla., development of about 100 homes, filling investor-owned properties. Melzard said the condo commandos in his community have lost their enforcement enthusiasm with the increase in renters. He believes the softening may be because the association is just thankful for getting healthy dues again from previously delinquent units.’
“‘It can be kind of a free-for-all,’ Melzard said. ‘There’s no such thing as a neighborhood anymore.’ With a 5-month-old baby, he and his wife are moving to central Florida to be closer to relatives. The couple already has a buyer for their home, an investor from California.”
The Orlando Sentinel. “Builders in the four-county metro area started work on 1,801 single-family houses during the first three months of the year, up from 1,386 housing starts for the same period in 2012. Construction starts have jumped 46 percent during the most-recent four quarters compared with the 12-month period prior to that. At a time when the inventory of existing homes listed for resale on the local market has edged down to less than a three-month supply, the inventory of new-but-vacant homes and those under construction increased by 21 percent from a year earlier.”
“‘The number of units in housing inventory has increased recently, but primarily in under-construction units. Completed houses are being occupied as soon as the house is finished,’ said Anthony Crocco, regional director for Metrostudy’s Orlando and Jacksonville markets.”
The New York Times. “Of the 22,000 condos created in downtown Miami during the boom years, only about 600 remain unsold — thanks mainly to an influx of Latin American investors seeking a safe haven for their money. Developers are reacting to the shrinking inventory predictably enough — by building more condos. The most ambitious project by far is the $1.05 billion Brickell CityCentre, a development that will add about 800 condos in two 43-story towers, a hotel, luxury movie theater and a wellness center aimed at tourists from Latin America.”
“‘This will be our Rockefeller Center,’ said Robert Kaplan, a principal with the Miami Beach office of Ackman-Ziff, a New York-based mortgage brokerage, referring to Brickell CityCentre.”
The Miami Herald. “Concerns are rising that South Florida’s recovering luxury residential real estate sector may be losing momentum as an increasing amount of inventory — a combination of resales and new construction — comes onto the market at higher and higher prices in Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties. At the current 2013 sales pace of about 235 luxury properties transacting monthly, South Florida now has about 20 months of high-end inventory available on the market at a median price of more than $540 per square foot, according to an analysis of Southeast Florida MLXchange data.”
“As the resale activity has slowed in South Florida in 2013, the number of luxury residences on the market has grown to more than 4,550 properties priced at a minimum of at least $1 million each. As of April 15, 2013, more than 3,950 luxury residences — about 87 percent of the available luxury inventory — are on the market in South Florida with an asking price of between $1 million and $5 million each, according to the data.”
From WFSU. “Florida Gov. Rick Scott is considering whether to sign a bill meant to speed up the home foreclosure process. But foreclosure lawyers are saying the measure is unfair to consumers, and they’re threatening a legal fight if it becomes law. Courts are still getting crushed by the backlog of foreclosure cases. As of February, about 340,000 foreclosure cases sat unresolved in Florida courts. And it’s predicted an additional 680,000 cases will be opened in the next two years.”
“Sen. Darren Soto (D-Kissimmee) said, banks are purposely processing foreclosures slowly so they don’t flood the market with properties. Soto wrote a letter to Scott urging a veto, saying the bill would mark the biggest reduction in homeowner property rights in generations.”
“During debate on the Senate floor, he said, ‘And the innocent people we’re protecting? Hedge funds. Flippers. Foreign investors. These aren’t families buying these houses in foreclosure, they’re sophisticated investors that know the risks they have. But the people who are losing their houses. They are our constituents. They are Florida’s families.’”
The Tampa Tribune. “Pasco County Property Appraiser Mike Wells said he would release his official projections later this week, but the state Office of Economic and Demographic Research has reported Pasco’s tax base grew by 2 percent in 2012. Last year the conference projected Pasco County would see just a .6-percent loss in taxable value, so the county’s budget office was shocked when the actual tax roll showed a 5.2-percent drop.”
“That’s one reason Wells said he hasn’t even looked at the state projections for this year. He said reports that Pasco home prices have increased by double-digit rates are wildly inaccurate. His comments would appear to confirm the state’s finding that overall home prices grew by less than 1 percent. In the executive summery, the conference reported that Housing Price Index, while on the rise, excludes sales of foreclosed homes.”
“‘In this regard, the conference is particularly concerned that the foreclosure inventory of residential properties in Florida remains high, and its future effects are not reflected in the current HPI readings,’ the report states.”
“‘I keep reading about all these 10- and 12-percent increases,’ Wells said. ‘It just isn’t happening. Some neighborhoods are going up, but I have to consider the whole county. There are plenty of areas where the home prices are still going down.’”
‘Housing Price Index, while on the rise, excludes sales of foreclosed homes…‘I keep reading about all these 10- and 12-percent increases,’ Wells said. ‘It just isn’t happening’
Check this out:
‘Florida’s housing market is in shambles. There are over a million properties in the state that lie vacant in decaying neighborhoods afflicted with blight; but that’s not what you will hear from those who benefit from Floridians believing otherwise.’
‘If you were to listen to developers and the local government officials they influence, one might think there aren’t enough houses for available buyers. One might think sales are up to a level not seen since 2006. Of course the dubious circumstances to which the housing market is now defined, is a shell game that makes data easy to manipulate and hard to fully comprehend.’
‘In the US Census Bureau’s American Community Survey Report, it stated that nearly 20 percent of all the homes in Florida are vacant… April of this year Bloomberg reported: Home Ownership Lowest in 18 years. On April 11 of this year, The Miami Herald reported that Miami had posted the highest foreclosure activity of any large city in the nation for the first quarter. “One in every 79 residents received some type of foreclosure filing,” according to Realty Trac.’
‘Statewide, the number of residents receiving notices is one in every 104 in just the first quarter. That is more that three times the national average. In the Miami Herald report of the top 10 foreclosure rates of metro areas in the nation, Florida takes claim to seven of them: Miami (1st), Orlando (2nd), Ocala (3rd), Tampa (5th), Jacksonville (7th), Melbourne (8th) and Lakeland (10th).’
‘Why would the media and local and state government officials be selling us the idea that things are looking up? I guess if you are really only representing those whose goal is to steal the American Dream from those who have fallen for their follies, such is the case.’
I would say it’s all relative. The townhouse I bought in Coconut Creek (SE FL) for $345,000 in May ‘06 and sold for $285,000 in May ‘07 is now worth about $185,000, as evidenced by two recent sales and a current listing in that range in the same neighborhood. To me, the great news for homeowners in Florida is that prices are no longer in a terrifying freefall. Anything more optimistic than that doesn’t seem credible.
This issue to me is if people like this become foam on the banks runway:
‘The house cost (22YO) Arbuckle, who eventually wants to become an art therapist, $100,000 and she pays $780 for her mortgage. Arbuckle, who attends Brevard Community College and operates a small design business’
What the heck is an art therapist??
Thanks for nothing Michael, now I just wasted 5 minutes of my life looking at the Art Therapy article on Wikipedia. I’ll never get that time back.
I spent five minutes looking up an art therapist’s salary.
Looks like about $35K a year. Are there any art therapist jobs near Rockledge?
It’s a way for artists to get paid by insurance companies. Anything can be billed as long as it’s got the word “therapy” in the title. Probably in the near future we’re going to have a dominatrix billing Blue Cross/Blue Shield.
The article has a nice pic of the house. She’s going to spend ALOT of money at Home Depot.
I’ve spent so much money (easily over 100k) and time (6 years) renovating this blankity blank blank non-maintained inherited 1973 home that the local Lowes staff knows me well each time I stop by!
kinda like “Norm” in Cheers.
I look back now & realize maybe I shoulda’ taken the contractors license test to get a material discount.
I wonder if we’ll see a return of all those peppy home renovation shows with the fake lowball renovation costs!?
My wife and I never laughed so hard as each show ended with the price list.
aquis, zillow now has a renovation p0rn site, zillow.com/digs. It’s just pix pix pix of glorious renovations, many with estimated prices. IMO, those estimates are likely lowballs too, especially the smaller cost things like flooring and drywall.
LOL…
You just have no idea do you…. completely clueless!
I don’t understand what is happening in FL.
There is a non-current loan rate approaching 19%, 90k foreclosures that are vacant (out of 300k nationwide), very high vacancy rates…and still bidding wars?
Last I checked, they were building more new homes than in CA (where among other things, like lower non-current loan rate, lower vacancy rate, etc., the population is much greater).
Wrong again.
The most conservative estimate of excess, empty and defaulted housing is 18 million.
I admit it fun to watch you attempt to slide your bs under the door.
RE: “…The truth is houses depreciate ALWAYS like ALL manmade items….”
Had dinner with a friend last evening who told me about a mutual acquaintance — a rich kinda gal — who in 2010 negotiated her dream house in Santa Barbara down from the listed $23M to a more reasonable $17M. (Hint: It wasn’t built for $60/square foot.) She and her husband swore they’d never sell until a few months ago when a Famous Personage showed up and offered them $27M for the place. So how could they refuse?
One year of house ownership (it was their secondary residence in SB). No modifications to the property whatsoever. Ten million USD flip.
TEN FREAKING MILLION DOLLARS, just for signing a few papers. This irresponsible woman has never worked a day in her life, has never held an original thought, has contributed absolutely nothing to society except for distributing her husband’s inherited wealth to assorted gurus, spas, and real estate hucksters. Yet you and I are stuck competing in a social structure defined and manipulated by those with the arbitrary wherewithal to purchase the public policy that exploits us. Can someone on this board please explain why the “free market” faithful turn a blind eye — if not their outright approval — to tax dodges such as this:
http://blog.syracuse.com/opinion/2013/05/apple_tax_dodge_ievade_mark_fiore.html#incart_special-report
And it still depreciated.
Yes, it depreciated an opposite negative reverse $10 million. See, ahansen, the opposite negative reverse depreciation method is hidden in an obscure section of tax code, glad I could enlighten you.
How many times do you need to be schooled on depreciation? 5x? 6x?
Obviously, you missed the “Producers, not Parasites/Creative Class/Bootstraps” memo.
Jimmy Carter was right. Life IS unfair.
This irresponsible woman has never worked a day in her life, has never held an original thought, has contributed absolutely nothing to society except for distributing her husband’s inherited wealth to assorted gurus, spas, and real estate hucksters.
I’ll bet she’s smoking hot.
And a complete bitch to boot, no doubt…
Why is she irresponsible? She saw a house she wanted, she bought it. Assuming she didn’t steal the $27M or acquire it illegally in any way, it’s none of your business what she does with it.
I think breaking up a 30-year marriage to get one’s hooks into a wealthy older man is irresponsible. But that’s just me….
And no, she’s not “smoking hot”.
Ahansen, look on the bright side, she’s paying tax on that $10mil to the tune of at least 18% - 40%, that will pay for a lot of roads and union goons.. now that puts me in a good mood.
On the other hand if the purchase was sheltered, like a IRA or something, or she does a 1031 exchange , hmm i shouldn’t be thinking this hard, its putting me in a foul mood..
“I think breaking up a 30-year marriage to get one’s hooks into a wealthy older man is irresponsible.”
No, it’s smart. That geezer is a freaking moron, and got played. In our society, this woman has adapted well. I’m sure she’s a disgusting character, but she made the right moves.
‘In the US Census Bureau’s American Community Survey Report, it stated that nearly 20 percent of all the homes in Florida are vacant…
That includes vacation homes, too, right? I wonder what the normal vacancy rate is for Florida. I would assume a good bit higher than most of the rest of the nation.
“Vacation homes”?
You’re funny Junkie.
I can’t say that 2005 was “normal”, but it was certainly pre-crash.
At that time, the rental vacancy rate was about 9%, now it is at about 10%, after peaking at 17% in 2009 (and was about 14% in 2010 at the time of the census).
Homeowner vacancy rate was about 1-2% in 2005, now is about 1.7% or so, after peaking at about 4% in 2009, and was about that level also in 2010.
I don’t know if either of those statistics include vacation homes.
I know that the standard breakdown of the vacancy rates in the other areas of the Census does include vacation homes in the vacancy numbers.
You damn liar. The rental vacancy rate hasn’t fallen by 45%. It’s still near peak levels.
http://imageshack.us/a/img192/7616/vacancym.jpg
When are you going to stop pimping the “housing recovery”? Huh?
I was quoting the specific information about the state of Florida from this spreadsheet:
http://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/data/rates/tab1_state05_2013_rvr.xls
The census provides data state by state as well as nationally, in which case, the enclosed is the current press release for the national numbers:
http://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/files/qtr113/q113press.pdf
Your graph hasn’t been updated in about a year. Your graph shows almost 10%, the current number is at 8.6%.
Those numbers are for the state of Florida (the topic of discussion). You are quoting national numbers.
Apples and orange comparisons seem to be your specialty.
Excluding millions of excess, underwater and foreclosed houses from the transaction data is just more evidence that this “housing recovery” is actually a ruse that makes the inevitable housing price correction deeper and broader.
“There are over a million properties in the state that lie vacant in decaying neighborhoods afflicted with blight;”
“We can’t close our eyes to the plight of the city. Kids, you noticing all this plight?”
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Here in Bizarro World, I count 5 properties that are definitely abandoned, all within a short walk of my own house. Only one of the properties is a real house, but still.
- One yurt that is surely occupied by vampires. I know they hang upside down in there during the day.
- One garage that is not attached to any other building.
- One very nice house.
- Two very old/dilapidated farm houses.
Despite these abandoned properties, there are several new ones being built in the neighborhood. WHY?
Who cares? We’re going to keep building no matter.
I care! What in the world is going on with you anyway? You have become so argumentative and negative. This is a change for you.
More inventory is a positive thing. Cheer up kiddo.
Because they can.
It’s not a house. It’s a “…..cornerstone of your personal investment strategy”
Are the homes building built by the owner? Or someone with the intent to resell?
New will nearly always (exceptions being antiques) sell for a premium over used–it’s true for cars, clothes, and houses.
There is one new house that may be owner-built, since the crew is small and the progress is slow. The rest are in a really ugly development down the road.
Hey jethro, what did you pay per square foot for the house you recently bought in Florida?
$47.69
Strike 3….. You’re out Junkie.
$47.69
Whereabouts?
Anywhere in the lower 48 states.
Anywhere in the lower 48 states.
So all this talk about a re-bubble is bunk?
And are you jethro?
You’re bunk….. junkie.
You’re bunk….. junkie.
Answer the question, since your multiple personalities seem to answer for jethro.
Admittedly, he seems to have gone off the deep end. Must have been the Chinese drywall dust.
Junkie Bunk
IIRC Jeff Sat lives in/near Hobe Sound, yeah?
Alpha, DO NOT buy a house in Florida.
I met the brother of Louisville’s mayor KY seems like a nice place. Perhaps I will move to Louisville.
If there a part of town where former hipsters blossoming halfbacks live?
Nevermind, the Highlands… god Bless the internet. Don’t worry, I’ll keep Lousville weird. I’ll bring a trunkfull of Gunshine State bath salts.
Junkie Bunk
Well, it sort of rhymes, so it must be a clever response.
But is there a re-bubble, or is it all bunk?
Answer the question.
Alpha, DO NOT buy a house in Florida.
But I hear they’re going for $40 a square foot.
Like Combo used to say: go lay down for a while until it passes.
Go lay down in the corner Junkie.
“‘I keep reading about all these 10- and 12-percent increases,’ Wells said. ‘It just isn’t happening. Some neighborhoods are going up, but I have to consider the whole county. There are plenty of areas where the home prices are still going down.’”
Yes. Every city, village town and state in the country. What is being reported by the broad media are cherry picked examples of a few more suckers getting fleeced.
In every era you are going to have up and down locations. You can’ t compare the market in places like San Jose to lets say Omaha Neb.?
It has returned to a local animal once again high paying jobs and desirable places to live will attract and drive the market. The boom years saw less desirable locations cashing in and that won’t happen for these housing areas, they may be stuck in reverse for many years and may never recover a break even.
People who have money are not suckers that is why they have money, people who who want to buy something they can’t afford and hope to get bailed out and play the “I got swindle by the bank, real estate, brother in law whatever” They never take responability for their misguided actions.
That game is ending for them (the losers) good solid folks will again rule the day in America and I can assure you there are many more good people then flakes in this great country.
When you hear clear cut tripe like “It has returned to a local animal once again” and “You can’t compare”, know that it’s the same old worn out realtor marketing technique a ‘la “real estate is local”.
This is merely a way to get you to pay far more than the house is worth. Don’t believe a word of it.
“People who have money are not suckers…….”
The only difference between rich people and poor people, is that rich people can afford to make bigger mistakes than poor people, and stay solvent.
Ask the guys that paid $20-$25 million for bizjets in 2007, that are now “worth” 1/3-1/4th of that. Assuming they can find a buyer.
Or any guy/gal that buys a car at a Barrett-Jackson auction.
Nope. 103% financing, 0% down, < 3% interest, questionable credit.
I don’t know. It’s crazy here in Las Vegas.
When I see a listing like this
http://bit.ly/10nU4BC
2124 Whippletree Ave
Las Vegas, NV 89119
$160K
I don’t know what to think. Granted, it’s not the nicest part of town; that’s what makes the price even crazier.
Is it a house or a prison?
Tarara you are right at best that place should be worth maybe $45k, but have you gone to look at cars lately any thing decent climbs to $30k and $450 a month payments, food priced crazy etc. in other words we live in 2013 and the powers to be thought wages would keep pace it hasn’t.
The catch 22 for America we have people doing well enough to afford crazy prices but for the middle class and others just figure most the world doesn’t have a middle class I’m afraid America is down that road now?
We wouldn’t have millions of defaulted houses if that were the case.
During the downturn 93% of all people were not affected by the housing bubble please again don’t ignore the facts.
One third of all people will get cancer but 2/3 thirds will never get it look on the positive side of life it is why people who are independently wealthy look at the very big picture and not agenda or bias or name call?
The truth is there are tens of millions of excess, empty, defaulted and delinquent houses and mortgages and housing demand has fallen to 17 year lows…. and sinking.
Please don’t ignore the truth.
If this bubble gets to be like the last one, you will see clap-board shacks being sold for $200k. Those days would have been funny if the weren’t so depressing.
Pick yourself up off the floor and cheer up. Another housing price collapse means dramatically lower and more affordable prices.
Nothing says “cozy” like bars on the windows.
The 2013 tax assessment is $20K land, $53K improvements (house).
Fact is no matter what is said about real estate industry and I agree they are suspect at best especially (a 6% commission which they never really lowered during the crisis) the pending and closed sales in good solid locations is booming and the locations that never should have sold at top dollar because they have little to offer will bring down the overall avg and skew the fact that demand is coming back.
It reminds me of going to lunch, it is as expensive as going to dinner the word lunch leads you to believe it is cheaper, so what can you do call owners bad because they play on words it is part of business in today’s world, restaurant expenses don’t get cheaper because of the time of day goods are delivered.
Agents have played the location card for ever today it is much easier look up the zip code for the location and really find out how good it is you don’t need Coldwell banker to influence you anymore?
There is nothing “booming” anywhere as housing demand has crater to 1997 levels…. and falling. And housing demand will continue falling until prices roll back to replacement cost less depreciation.
And thats a long way down from here.
If luxury houses are selling so well, why hand out freebie visas/citizenship to rich foreigners, if they buy a “luxury house”?
Whack-a-Mole Economics
I think it is now well-established that we have a rebubble. Everyone at work is buying a house, INCLUDING those who already got majorly burned by the last bubble. None of them claim to have an exit strategy, as they plan to never move (even though the employment situation in this town is shaky). “It’s different here, and different this time”.
I just want to know how in the world we can tell how long this particular upturn might last. The stock bubble is going further than it would. Could the rebubble go further too? Or will it go just as far, but faster? Will it go less far?
I got a flier in the mail for 0% down, 103% financing with good (not great) credit at less than 3% interest. All fees are rolled into the loan. The maximum loan amounts listed did not match up with incomes around here. I didn’t see any mention of a variable rate or pick-a-pay.
OMG, should I be a flipper?
‘I think it is now well-established that we have a rebubble. Everyone at work is buying a house, INCLUDING those who already got majorly burned by the last bubble. None of them claim to have an exit strategy, as they plan to never move (even though the employment situation in this town is shaky). “It’s different here, and different this time”.
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But Housing Analyst says demand is at 1997 levels. You must be lying. Or your co-workers are lying. Or something.
REFUTE the fact demand is at 1997 levels.
GO.
I understand where you are going but I live near a new housing development prices on avg about $600k a lot of money since these homes don’t include upgrades or landscaping.
35 houses total, 12 sold, 7 already in framing stage where they are coming from to buy your guest as good as mine but plenty of BMW’s and MBZ in the parking lots. I can only go by for what we see and it looks like a recovery around our area about 25 mile range?
Show us a link.
Yeah sure so every knows where I
Just pull up any location with a $600k houses enter ( ZIP CODE) Zillow it and find out what has sold in that area you don’t need my links and address to find out that houses are selling in the high end in this country.
Remember my name is Doom that doesn’t mean I stay in the dark all my life just to be right, you must take your head out of the sand and really look around?
Nothing is selling.
Remember….. Housing Demand has fallen to 1997 levels…. and still sinking.
About this statement of yours;
I live near a new housing development prices on avg about $600k a lot of money since these homes don’t include upgrades or landscaping.
35 houses total, 12 sold, 7 already in framing stage where they are coming from to buy
Now where is the link?
You want a link. Here’s a link.
http://riverstonecda.net/condos.html
Notice what it says on the right hand side…. All 140 condo units are SOLD OUT! But how could this be? Nobody’s buying anything. Demand is at 1997 levels.
Wait a second, maybe these condos went for $60/sq ft. That must be it!
Why does it say call for more information if they are sold out?
So they can taunt you and make you feel bad by saying since you didn’t buy one of these, you’ll now be priced out forever.
That’s an odd sales tactic to use…say it’s sold out in the hope of getting people to call anyway? I think it’s just free advertizing for the real estate agent.
It says Call Rick Carr. I Googled Rick Carr and went to his website. If he still had these for sale you’d think he’d mention them on his website? Nothing there.
The one listing he does have is $549K for a 3/2 condo. And it’s pending.
“Sold” in realtor language really means “in contract”. When we had investments in subdivisions it used to drive us nuts–in our vernacular, “sold” meant that there was a final HUD-1, and money had changed hands.
The answer is either:
a) they are lying and not sold out; or
b) all units have entered into contract to be sold, but not all have closed, and they are soliciting backup offers
Neither would surprise me.
If you look at the diagrams, these condos look like an apartment complex. So C could be the next phase.
You’re probably right Ben.
Yeah. I want a link to back up this statement.
Is this statement yours? Back it up.
I understand where you are going but I live near a new housing development prices on avg about $600k a lot of money since these homes don’t include upgrades or landscaping.
35 houses total, 12 sold, 7 already in framing stage where they are coming from to buy
Now get to it.
As far as your crap marketing link, do you really expect us to believe a damn word you say after pulling a stunt like this?
REFUTE the fact that demand is at 1997 levels. REFUTE it.
DEMONSTRATE your estimating and construction experience and SHOW us a basic SOV for a 3/2 ranch. Shit….. show me an SOV for a dog house. My daughter did one in 6th grade.
Put up boy.
http://www.census.gov/construction/nrs/xls/sold_cust.xls
New Homes sales.
12 month trailing aggregate sales is at 386k, off the low of 295k for the 12 months ended April 2011, and the fastest pace since about the 12 months ended June 2009 (there was one blip up to 386k for the 12 months ended April 2010, but that was the tax credit driven minor blip up).
The last time we were at 386k prior to June 2009 was for the 12 months ending September 1982 (what were interest rates back then?).
In the West the trailing 12 month sales to March 2013 was 108k, the highest number since the 12 months ending January 2009. Before January 2009, the last time the 12 month trailing sales number was as low was in February 1983. The low point in this recent cycle was 66k for the 12 months ending April 2011.
So, yes, new home sales are very low historically.
But no, new home sales are no longer falling.
Housing Demand…. not new sales.
You’re mendacity knows no bounds does it……
You have been defining demand as sales for months.
You are a slippery one, aren’t you?
You flat out lying about rental vacancy rates and you have the audacity to call me slippery?
Your corruption runs deep.
http://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/data/histtab8.xls
http://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/data/rates/tab1_state05_2013_rvr.xls
http://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/data/rates/tab2_state05_2013_hvr.xls
Here’s the data my slippery friend.
“‘It can be kind of a free-for-all,’ Melzard said. ‘There’s no such thing as a neighborhood anymore.’ With a 5-month-old baby, he and his wife are moving to central Florida to be closer to relatives. The couple already has a buyer for their home, an investor from California.”
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This is another reason why the bubble(s) make me so upset. Rather than live in a community of people, we live in a community of investments. We’ve turned things that give our lives meaning into a cash product and profaned them in the process.
I do not believe that a house can give your life meaning.
That’s not what I wrote. Of course a house doesn’t give life meaning. But living in a community does. That’s why I value this blog; it’s a community.
Mom went to her condo association meeting last night.
Discussion was about hiring a “management company” to go after a few “deadbeats” not paying their association fees.
(Her current monthly charge, which she finds ridiculously expensive, is $185/month, which includes basic cable, mowing and sidewalk plowing, water, and a maintenance reserve)
Seems that there are a couple of residents that don’t pay, and a few others that are a month or two behind (for economic reasons). They have cut cable service to the two deadbeats
To go with a management company, everybody’s monthly fee would go up ten dollars/month. Times 96 units, call it $1000/month. Plus the charges is maintenance is called out.
So basically, they are going to spend $12K/year, to collect $5K in unpaid condo fees.
I’m of the opinion that they need to look into towing cars, and slapping mechanics liens on properties before they pay someone $12K/year to beat up on 5-6 deadbeats.
And all the “management company” will do is slap liens on the properties anyway.
Correct. Jetfixr, your mom or someone on the board should check the process for putting liens on property. Here in Greenville County, SC, it recently became much easier and simpler to do. The association may find they can do it themselves.
So basically, they are going to spend $12K/year, to collect $5K in unpaid condo fees.
Makes perfect sense!
JUST kidding…
The association (up to now) has been run by people elected to the board. Seems like a nice little job to fill in some time for a few of them (mostly railroad, bank and government retirees).
The trouble is, they can’t get anyone to run for the board. Mainly because the board members get tired of the 24/7/365 bitching about condo fees.
I’ve been telling her that they need to go out and price all of those services (cable/snow removal/mowing/roof repairs/etc……basically anything exterior and structural) before they complain about $185 bucks a month……..the day of giving 5 bucks to the neighbor kid for moving the yard went away a long time ago.
Coeur d’Alene, Idaho Housing Prices Collapse 11% And Falling
http://picpaste.com/pics/dcae042d23fbcadf914b493b0707208e.1368567318.png
Why do you think this happened?
Because demand collapsed.
Why do think demand collapsed?
Because prices are grossly inflated.
The disconnect in housing sales is the method of reporting.
Fact: Housing sales are only half of normal at a rate of about one million units yearly.
Fact: This is a rate increase of 40% from the recent horrible past.
Guess which fact the msm are reporting !
Sort of like “I doubled my money when I folded it”.
‘the method of reporting’
It has turned into a circus. I do a lot of research online, and the amount of stories screaming up, up UP, is more than I’ve ever seen. Like the Ohio story (I think) I posted recently where the UHS said people were “fighting to buy your house” and that days on market had dropped from 180 to 120. Jeebus, that’s still 4 months. Where’s the fighting?
Like the story above. I find the country appraiser calling BS on the appreciation stories. How many front page news stories can we expect to look into this little discrepancy? I’d guess a big fat zero.
Here’s something I just came across:
‘As reported in a January study by analytics company CoreLogic, New York was third highest in the country in terms of its foreclosure inventory per home on all mortgaged homes in the state, with 5.1 percent of those homes having gone through foreclosure. While this may not bode well for the current crop of New York underwater borrowers who are being forced into foreclosure and short sale situations, it represents a golden opportunity for boomerang buyers who have recovered financially in the past three-plus years.’
‘With the triple-threat of the number of FHA-eligible purchasers skyrocketing from fewer than 300,000 in 2011 to around 800,000 today; the economic upswing that has seen many foreclosed borrowers in a position again where they could easily be making home payments that they weren’t able to make several years ago; and the rapid momentum and increasing value of the housing market, there are a plethora of reasons to consider an FHA loan.’
‘Among them, New York borrowers who have at least three years between them and their foreclosure or short sale process and have been financially responsible since could be eligible for an FHA loan. This is compared to seven years between foreclosure and buying through conventional lenders.’
‘On top of all this, FHA mortgage rates are at record lows, and with the news that there is a high foreclosure inventory on the market at a time where the market is hitting highs it hasn’t seen in years, investing through an FHA loan seems like as sound an investment as any for financially solvent boomerang buyers.’
‘The current foreclosure inventory in New York is a blessing in disguise for potential FHA borrowers,” says Craig Reynolds of Allied Mortgage Direct, an FHA lender licensed in New York. “This specifically applies to pre-foreclosed buyers who have regained financial stability over the last three-plus years, as the real estate market has not looked this rosy in the better part of a decade, despite the fact that houses can still be bought at extremely low prices.’
‘About FHA loans: While conventional mortgages tend to come with strict underwriting laws, FHA-insured loans attract a wider base of homebuyers by providing easier credit standards, lower down payment obligations and more diverse income calculations.’
‘Benefits of an FHA loan: 3.5 percent down payment for many borrowers. Lax credit guidelines.’
http://www.newsli.com/2013/05/10/fha-home-loans-look-increasingly-attractive-to-new-york-boomerang-borrowers-due-to-housing-market-upswing-and-current-foreclosure-inventory/
Fact: Housing sales are only half of normal at a rate of about one million units yearly.
link?
http://www.census.gov/construction/nrs/xls/sold_cust.xls
I posted this in another response, which one shows up faster?
which one shows up faster?
I can’t open this one.
Do a Google search for:
“new residential sales historical data”
The first link is the Census page on the information:
The first column in the table is Excel spreadsheets with the data, and the first row is houses sold–that was the link.
The second tab (”Reg Sold”) in the spreadsheet breaks down the information monthly by region and in the US as a whole, both seasonally adjusted and not seasonally adjusted. I took the non-seasonally adjusted data and did my own seasonality adjustment by simply looking at the aggregate of the prior 12 months of sales for the US as a whole, and each region.
You can clearly see that sales are WAY down relative to “normal”.