June 9, 2013

Urgency And A Trivial Purchase

I suggested a topic on current market conditions. “It’s interesting how the media and REIC have embraced things like flipping houses so casually. Or making written offers with no contingency to the conditions. Pocket listings. Besides the obvious lack of consumer protection, can’t these people remember how open some of this stuff is to fraud?”

A reply, “Urgency is the biggest tool the lying realtors have. And it is sick the way the media/real-estate-industrial-complex play up the emotional aspect, i.e. the Suzanne researched it commercial. See also recent New York Times piece identifying NAR as the second largest lobbying contributor.”

One said, “Stumbling over the dead bodies to get to the punchbowl.”

Another said, “Lots of hype going around. I hear the desperation at the lunch table, of the ‘there’s nothing to buy’ variety. Most have been brainwashed into believing that the crash in 2008 was an anomaly.”

One suggested, “There is an easy fix to some of it which would help first time buyers in rooting out speculative competition. No federally insured loan on a house that was not owner occupied for at least one year prior to new loan. If you were to want to engage in that practice, in the interest of providing loans to people who want to buy houses, then, IMO, you should restrict it in a way that would root out speculation.”

And finally, “Any big purchase a salesperson will try to make seem trivial, of no more import than buying a candy bar. I’ve seen this with cars in particular. Of course, the same approach will be used with houses. Problem is, it’s a lot of money, and you’re on the hook for it. They don’t want you to think to much about that.”

From KLEW in Idaho. “Idaho home prices are rebounding faster than most of the nation. ‘We’ve got a great moment here, the interest rates remain very low,’ said Realtor Judy Higgins. ‘So if you’ve got $3,000 sitting around and you’re a renter, then you probably could afford to get yourself in a house right now.’”

From KPAX in Montana. “You can’t drive through many Missoula area neighborhoods these days without seeing one for sale sign after another - and a lot of sold signs too. Today is the best market I’ve seen,’ Exit Realty Missoula owner Kenin Bailey took a risk and joined the realty business just as the housing market collapsed. So he has some perspective on what a bad housing market looks like - and this is not it. ‘There’s a shortage of inventory in the $250,000 and less market and with the increase of activity there have been a lot of people who have decided to get back into real estate,’ Bailey said.”

“That means if you’re a buyer, you’ll have to be pre-qualified and ready to move, and that may not even be enough. ‘It’s been a very strong buyer’s market over the last five years and as of lately there have been a lot of multiple offer situations, and sellers are getting their asking price or more,’ Bailey said.”

“Matt Pickett has been shopping around for a couple months to find a single family home. He says it hasn’t been easy, he’s found good listings, but in some cases he’s been outbid. ‘One property there were six offers by noon, so that was pretty crazy,’ Pickett said.”

“Austin James with the Missoula Organization of Realtors says part of the growth is due to banks easing up. ‘The ratings of interest rates have changed in the last four years, you’re also seeing a great climate, to buy,’ James said.”

The Herald Tribune in Florida. “The final remaining co-conspirator indicted in a 2007 real estate flipping fraud scheme was convicted by a federal jury in Tampa of conspiracy and three counts of wire fraud affecting a financial institution. Sarasota real estate agent J. Patrick Brester now faces a maximum penalty of 30 years in federal prison for each count and a $1 million fine.”

“Brester, who once worked at the real estate firm of prominent Sarasota attorney David S. Band, was charged last summer for his role in illegally flipping condominiums in Palmer Ranch during Southwest Florida’s housing bubble. Brester was among four men who have now all been found guilty of various crimes in the scheme. But he was the only one who opted to fight the charges in a courtroom rather than accept a plea agreement with prosecutors.”

“The flippers bought nine units at Vintage Grand in February 2007 for $1.9 million. They then sold the condos to a partner for $2.2 million that same day through a purchase financed with mortgages from SunTrust and Fifth Third Bank. The fraudulent transactions allowed the group to get more loan money than they could have otherwise — and entitled them to $324,000 in cash-back incentives from Vintage Grand.”

“His indictment did not keep Brester from flipping real estate. In the past year alone, he grossed more than $540,000 for himself and his investment clients by buying and reselling nine houses in Sarasota and Manatee counties for more than twice what he paid.”




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Comment by inchbyinch
2013-06-08 10:23:40

I just finished my Ca R E license renewal.
The textbook was obsolete in the law section,
and it was a fairly recent publication, as the safety
net gets bigger month by month for underwater
homemoaners. A slippery slope, indeed.

It was sad to read strategic default is treated like
it is a right. Brainwashed NAR
members brainwashing the sheeples.

The market is so broken it is FUBAR.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-08 17:13:33

Hey Junkie,

What was the grossly inflated price you paid for your house?

Comment by imaadesi
2013-06-09 20:38:18

seems you are the craziest person here.

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-06-08 21:33:30

You are a realtor. Skirting the law and hiding the truth, that’s what you wrote, mistaking what blog you were posting on.

Comment by Dale
2013-06-09 12:16:51

I think it is more like someone “in the business” realizing just how bad the business has gotten. Not every realtor is responsible for what this has become, although I would imagine the honest ones have been pretty much culled.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-09 13:04:50

Yeah. Only 98% of them.

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Comment by elvismcduf
2013-06-09 00:30:07

AGREED !! being a landlord and can’t refi (6% average on 5 properties (low-end), although positive cash flow, underwater on 2) with money in the bank and a 802 fico…i say f*ckem’…strategic sounds good…i’m in thailand right now…reconnaissance mission…plan B :)
…and it’s not just the housing market…the whole system is broken and beyond repair…especially the stock market…makes me wanna PUKE!!! when the us dollar finally collapses, we’re all fooked!

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-09 09:20:34

LOLZ

There will be some collapsing going on but it won’t be the dollar.

 
Comment by rms
2013-06-09 21:55:53

“…and it’s not just the housing market…the whole system is broken and beyond repair…especially the stock market…makes me wanna PUKE!!! when the us dollar finally collapses, we’re all fooked”

+1 A generation or two have already been written-off in order to foam the runway at banker’s international; just haven’t been tossed under the bus yet.

 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-06-09 15:19:40

It was sad to read strategic default is treated like
it is a right.

If both the law, and the contracts written with knowledge of that law, are written such that people are given the option of strategic default, and the banks are prevented from going after the borrower’s other assets (e.g. non-recourse), then why shouldn’t people avail themselves of the best option available to them?

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-08 10:34:36

“Idaho home prices are rebounding faster than most of the nation. ‘We’ve got a great moment here, the interest rates remain very low,’ said Realtor Judy Higgins.”

Is Idaho’s lending market somehow immune from the huge spike in mortgage rates over the past month?

“‘So if you’ve got $3,000 sitting around and you’re a renter, then you probably could afford to get yourself in a house right now.’”

That $3,000 could provide for a 10% downpayment on a $30,000 home.

Are houses really selling for that cheap in Idaho these days?

Comment by United States of Moral Hazard
2013-06-08 10:44:38

10% down? HAH! Surely you jest. 3.5% down, or zero down in rural areas, is the new black.

 
Comment by DennisN
2013-06-08 20:08:38

Houses in metro Boise appear to be selling (closing) for about $50K above Zillow estimates. Due to the oddball Idaho law that makes actual sales prices NOT a pubic record, all we can do is accept realtor’s claims of actual sales prices at face value.

When sales happen a week after first listing I do tend to believe that the buyer met the listing price.

What’s also odd is how much NEW construction is taking place in suburban Boise. Many tracts full of just-completed houses have a majority of “sold” signs out front. Somebody is buying.

Comment by United States of Moral Hazard
2013-06-09 08:53:19

I remember one particular development which sported “sold” signs on close to 90% of all new, vacant houses. What I could never figure out was why nobody was ever moving in. When the whole development went into foreclosure it made sense. The sold signs were a lie. Your post above makes a lot of assumptions. Stick to facts.

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2013-06-08 20:16:22

“The average price of a single-family home in Idaho rose 15% in the past year, a trend that occurred throughout the entire state except Lewiston where it’s still a buyers’ market.”

Lewiston is town of 32k population and isolated, not connected to metro Spokane like Coeur d’Alene or metro Boise like Meridian.

But it’s odd….that $3,000 appears to cover closing costs not just a down payment.

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-09 10:09:24

“Lewiston is town of 32k population and isolated, not connected to metro Spokane like Coeur d’Alene or metro Boise like Meridian.”

To many people that’s a feature, not a bug. I know it’s hard to imagine but not everyone wants to be in a big city. Plus you’re forgetting right across the river from Lewiston is Clarkson, WA which is another 10K or so people. (Get it? Lewis-Clark….Lewiston - Clarkson. Clever, huh). The combined MSA of the two is 61,000 residents. And about 30-40 minutes away are both Moscow, ID (hope of U of Idaho) and Pullman, WA (home of Wa. State U). Two college towns right next to each other will all the college town stuff available.

I love the HBB. Whenever the talk is about suburbs, you complain about living in the suburbs. When the talk is about small towns you complain about small towns. When the talk is about rural areas you complain about rural areas. When talk is about living in the city, it’s horrible to live in the city and nobody wants to live there.

No matter, what living in (fill in the blank) is horrible and nobody wants to be there. And hence, real estate in (fill in the blank) is overpriced and will crash in the very near future.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-09 13:16:10

“I love the HBB.”

If it’s so horrible, why are you here Eddietard Slithers?

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-09 14:29:27

I hear that prostitution is a lucrative trade.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-09 14:35:52

Prostitution is on the rise.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-09 14:39:13

Here is a sideline business idea if your day job isn’t cutting it to pay the bills and you don’t want to prostitute your time and talents to Megabank, Inc:

Iran’s educated, middle-class and part-time prostitute

Sanctions leave some with few choices
By Brendan Daly - Special to The Washington Times
Thursday, May 16, 2013

Question of the Day
Do Americans have more to fear from China’s hired hackers or the U.S. government?

TEHRAN — Intelligent and confident, Parisa, 23, is from what could be loosely termed a middle-class family and has a bachelor’s degree in computer engineering from Islamic Azad University.

On weekends, she sells her body for profit on the streets of North Tehran.

“I’m a lot of fun. My time is very valuable,” says Parisa, a diminutive computer technician using a pseudonym to shield her identity.

She is part of a new phenomenon here — young, educated and independent women becoming occasional, part-time prostitutes — driven by the Islamic republic’s weakened economy.

A single transaction can make her $80, three-fifths of what she earned monthly at a mid-size tech firm before she lost her job about five months ago. And Tehran has no shortage of sex-starved young men — sons of wealthy parents — who are willing and able to cruise the streets in search of pleasure at a price.

“What choice do I have?” Parisa says. “If I [leave Tehran and] go back to Khorramabad, then I go home a failure. My parents can’t support me. With the rising price of everything, I’m afraid to ask them how they are surviving themselves.”

 
Comment by rms
2013-06-09 22:00:29

“She is part of a new phenomenon here — young, educated and independent women becoming occasional, part-time prostitutes — driven by the Islamic republic’s weakened economy.”

The economic sanctions can’t be helping things either.

 
 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2013-06-08 20:24:38

Here’s an example of a subdivision where building came to a grinding halt 4 years ago. Now they are building on all the existing lots and paving new streets to add dozens more.

http://www.hazelwoodvillage.com/

Tiny lots for people who don’t want a yard, yet no common walls like row townhouses. Most listing now in the $150K - $250K range.

Comment by rms
2013-06-09 22:02:03

“Most listing now in the $150K - $250K range.”

Kinda steep for a retirement crib?

 
 
Comment by Lisa
2013-06-09 09:07:47

“‘So if you’ve got $3,000 sitting around and you’re a renter, then you probably could afford to get yourself in a house right now.’”

Uh, those folks will still be renters, with the bank as their landlord. $3,000 isn’t likely to even cover closing costs. Instant FB.

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-09 09:59:22

This is Idaho not L.A. A typical house costs $150K. You can even get something for $100K. $3000 is more than enough for closing costs.

Comment by Lisa
2013-06-09 10:46:12

“This is Idaho not L.A. A typical house costs $150K. You can even get something for $100K. $3000 is more than enough for closing costs.”

Even if closing costs are around $1,500, the remaining $1,500 doesn’t buy much of a down payment. Not to mention moving expenses and all the basics - trash cans, rake, ladder, lawn mower, etc.

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Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-09 12:21:45

So renters don’t have trash cans? When they move, it doesn’t cost anything?

Downpayment? What’s that. It’s easy to get 100% financing and roll the closing costs into the loan too. So now you have $3000 to buy a rake and a garbage can and ladder.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-09 18:09:27

Renters pay trash removal? Since when Mr. Slithers?

Considering asking prices of resale house remain elevated 250% higher than trend, you’ll always be know as our Blog Liar.

 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-09 18:11:32

Oh Slithers…. The median price in Idaho is $240k… not $150k.

Why would you lie to the readers here about something so easily verifiable?

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Comment by Rental Watch
 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Resistor
2013-06-08 14:28:16
Comment by Robin
2013-06-08 19:14:08

What is the opposite of “cry”? “Celebrate”?

 
 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-09 09:58:18

“From KLEW in Idaho. “Idaho home prices are rebounding faster than most of the nation.”

I said this very same thing here about a month ago.

I know a couple who just sold their house in 6 days. They’re getting close to retirement, kids out of the house and they’re downsizing to something smaller. Great timing on their part.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-09 18:07:08

Prices down 11% Year over Year doesn’t seem like prices are rising now does it Eddietard Slithers?

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Comment by Rental Watch
2013-06-09 21:32:42

http://www.zillow.com/local-info/ID-home-value/r_20/#metric=mt%3D18%26dt%3D1%26tp%3D5%26rt%3D14%26r%3D20%252C394399%252C394480%252C394703%26el%3D0

Median list price UP 10% year on year in Idaho…you keep claiming that Coeur d’Alene is Idaho…why?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-09 23:14:40

Wait…Coeur d’Alene is in Idaho, right?

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Comment by DennisN
2013-06-09 23:40:01

Coeur d’Alene is an oddball….it’s 20 miles from central Spokane and is part of the Spokane metro area. It’s sort of a ritzy suburb/exurb for Spokane with lots of well-to-do retirees (LA cops and fire). I’d guess the two most expensive places in Idaho would be Coeur d’Alene and Ketchum/Sun Valley.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-06-10 00:50:23

My point is that the initial comment was general (prices in Idaho were rebounding). HA responded with evidence from one specific city in Idaho (and an unusual city in the state) to refute the general comment. I simply responded with data applicable to the statewide/general comment.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-10 08:34:07

And sales are collapsing. This is what happens when housing prices begin to inflate.

How many times must we school you on basic economic fundamentals?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Bluetooth
2013-06-09 15:49:42

My local paper (santa rosa, ca) ran a story Saturday on how cash buyers are shutting out those that need to buy with a mortgage and I experienced that myself firsthand several times before retiring to the sidelines a year ago…but today we went for a drive around town and there were more open houses listed than I can recall seeing in the five years I’ve lived here and the ones we drove by looked dead so the turning point may be near,there definitely seemed to be a slight hiss in the air possibly from a weak spot in the local bubble.

Comment by Robin
2013-06-09 20:00:02

Wife and I can verify number of open houses this week are 5 to 10 times as many as 2 weeks ago in North Orange County, CA.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-09 23:16:30

Interesting. Come to think of it, I have seen lots more Open House signs around my area of SD over the past couple of weeks than in quite some time. Perhaps would-be sellers got the hint that this is their last chance to get a decent sale price before interest rates climb forever skyward over the next three decades.

 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-06-09 21:34:01

Curious BT, do you live in SR? Or a neighboring town? I grew up in Petaluma…

Comment by bluetooth
2013-06-09 22:38:35

I live in Santa Rosa, grew up in San Francisco….usually go by Bluto here but my ipads diabolical spell check changed that….anyway really do hope some of the flippers and speculators have their heads handed to them soon and people who want to buy a house for the right reason (TO LIVE IN) see lower prices and a more sane market.

 
 
 
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