June 20, 2013

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 03:37:42

Why are the gold bugs so glum this morning?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 03:43:13

At least the S&P 500 futures are holding up well!

New York Markets Open in: 2:52:22
Pre-Market Indications | Analyst Ratings
Futures: S&P 500 -0.0% DOW -0.8% NASDAQ -1.0%

Bernanke says Fed may taper QE later this year
Gold drops over $80 | European stocks slump | Oil prices struggle
‘Sopranos’ star James Gandolfini dies | HSBC: China factories slowing

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 03:45:40

Got tapering?

June 20, 2013, 6:27 a.m. EDT
U.S. Treasurys slide, 10-year yield above 2.4%
By Sara Sjolin

LONDON (MarketWatch) — U.S. Treasurys dropped during European trading hours on Thursday, sending the yield on 10-year notes (10_YEAR +3.17%) to the highest level since August 2011. The yield rose 9 basis points to 2.448%, marking the first time above the 2.4% level since October 2011, according to data from FactSet. The weakness in U.S. Treasurys added to a selloff from Wednesday when Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said the central bank could begin tapering its asset purchases later this year if data come in in line with forecasts. Among other maturities on Thursday, the yield on 5-year notes (5_YEAR +5.31%) rose 8 basis points to 1.33% and the 30-year bond yield (30_YEAR +2.31%) climbed 10 basis points to 3.51%.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 03:49:01

Bernanke and China send world stocks lower
By CNNMoney Staff @CNNMoneyInvest
June 20, 2013: 6:24 AM ET
NEW YORK (CNNMoney)

Investors may be in for a Bernanke hangover on Thursday.

U.S. stock futures were weaker across the board ahead of the opening bell. S&P and Nasdaq futures were down about 1% and Dow futures fell 0.7%.

And world stock markets were deeply in the red as investors took fright at plans by the Federal Reserve to begin reducing the pace of stimulus toward the end of this year.

A weak reading on China’s factories further rattled investors as it stoked concerns about slowing growth in the world’s second biggest economy.

Stocks tumbled Wednesday after Fed chairman Ben Bernanke said the central bank could slow the pace of its bond-buying program later this year if the economy continues to improve.

Comment by azdude
2013-06-20 05:53:52

the house of cards will end in tears for stock gamblers.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 03:51:47

June 20, 2013, 6:05 a.m. ET
Singapore Dollar Lower Late on Fed Tapering Talk

SINGAPORE–The Singapore dollar was lower against the U.S. dollar on Thursday as traders piled into the U.S. unit after Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke pointed to a tapering of bond buying toward the end of the year.

The U.S. dollar was at S$1.2741 late in Asia from S$1.2565 the same time on Wednesday.

Latest Change
USD/SGD 1.2750 +1.8500
Overnight Rate 0.05% Unchanged
2-Year Bond Yield 0.37% +8 bps
10-Year Bond Yield 2.37% +26 bps
2-Year Swap Offer 0.71% +10 bps
10-Year Swap Offer 2.52% +41 bps
2-10-Year Swap Curve 181 bps +7 bps

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 03:54:49

Federal Reserve
Bernanke Says Little, Market Plummets: Welcome to the Post-QE Economy
By Rana Foroohar
June 20, 2013

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke speaks during a news conference in Washington, D.C., on June 19, 2013.
Follow @TIMEBusiness

What a strange world we are living in when Ben Bernanke holds a press conference to say that he’s essentially going to do nothing, and the markets go down 200 points. That was the story last night after the Fed announced it would hold steady on quantitative easing for at least the next several months, watching and waiting to make sure the U.S. economy really is strong enough for the central bank to pull back from the $85 billion money dump it’s been doing every month. This “tapering” is different from interest rate tightening, which probably won’t happen before 2015. Yet mortgage rates have gone up, too, because of worries that the era of easy money is over.

So why the strong market reaction to news that was basically ho-hum?

Comment by azdude
2013-06-20 05:56:37

wall street is sending a message:

keep printing or we will send this market into a nosedive !!!!

 
Comment by oxide
2013-06-20 05:58:50

Because The Powers That Be have decided that profit by goods and services just wasn’t gosh darn good enough for them. When they shifted from the goods-services model to the manipulation model, they hitched their wagon to Teh Bernank for good or ill. Now the only purpose of fundamentals is to legitimize the whole farce by keeping alive the mom-and-apple-pie notion that the good people of Main Street will actually able to labor enough to make real the *poof* money which had been created for manipulation.

Comment by michael
2013-06-20 07:23:10

+1 tony soprano

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Comment by homie don't play houses
2013-06-20 07:42:21

You think Bernanke was bad. Obama will either appoint that “always brilliant” guy or that woman. My only request to Obama is please please apoint a good looking woman. I am getting screwed anyway, it might as well be a good looking woman.

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Comment by goon squad
2013-06-20 08:01:16

Sexist.

Obama should appoint someone who looks like Elena Kagan.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2013-06-20 10:27:54

Christina Romer isn’t anyone’s idea of a babe, but she’s in the same intellectual league as the boyz of the Obama admin. Perhaps she’d be interested in going back to DC.

 
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-06-20 12:51:07

It doesn’t matter who gets chosen from the list of candidates put up by the member banks. They are out of money, and can no longer ease.

 
Comment by homie don't play houses
2013-06-20 13:22:28

They are out of money, and can no longer ease.

What are you talking about? As long as there are trees and ink, they are never out of money.

Even better for them, as long as computers are around, they can always add digits.

 
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-06-20 13:35:59

The digits have to be backed by collateral. They are only a lender after all.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-06-20 14:39:42

We’ve got all kinds of collateral as long as we don’t have to mark it to market.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-06-20 18:33:10

The digits have to be backed by collateral. They are only a lender after all.

Which collateral was the QE money backed by again?

You’re seriously confused. They can digitally-print the money in any quantity that they want, merely by the act of buying up anything that they want.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-06-20 22:45:39

@PIC, all we need is a government willing to spend more than they take in, and the Fed can print the money necessary to fund the spending.

Check, and check.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-06-20 23:22:32

all we need is a government willing to spend more than they take in,

Even that isn’t required. The Fed can print the money for as long as there remain assets in the markets available for them to purchase.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-06-21 08:35:54

True, but there is less need to print that money without the deficits.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-06-20 04:04:33

They have to pay their debts in dollars?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 04:12:52

I believe most gold bugs living in America pay for almost everything in dollars. However, I have absolutely no empirical evidence to back this up.

Will any American gold bug who uses an alternative currency to dollars (gold, Bitcoin, etc) for purchasing daily essentials please elaborate on how you work the system?

Comment by Blue Skye
2013-06-20 05:47:45

It’s not so much how you purchase a loaf of bread every day. It’s the leveraged speculation that leads to tears.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 06:00:57

A thinly traded market for an amount of physical gold whose globally-distributed volume would fit entirely within two Olympic-sized swimming pools is not going to help the gold bugs in the unwinding faze of the gold bubble.

 
 
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-06-20 12:53:37

Bitcoin is the only way to purchase stolen goods and drugs over the internet.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 21:47:48

Don’t forget BitPorn!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Hard Rain
2013-06-20 05:04:03

$71.00 an OZ …oh my

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 06:12:11

Gold under $1300/oz and still falling…wow! It’s enough to take your breath away…

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-06-20 18:35:42

Everything down implies the dollar gaining strength; the dollar was depressed by all the digital printing, and is rallying from that weakness based on the idea that the digital printing might wind down.

Of course, I suspect that they are wrong about that…

 
 
Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2013-06-20 06:29:52

The ones who should be the most glum are the home buyers. Stocks and bonds are drifting lower as well. The biggest drop in gold prices are behind us. Smart investors are selling stocks and shifting into asset class that most people overlook. It is beginning to look like 2000 again.

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2013-06-20 07:04:57

Bill-

What, in your opinion, are the currently overlooked asset classes?

Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2013-06-20 08:09:55

Very soon: TIPs and precious metals. Series I savings bonds too. Wait till fixed I bond rate is at least 1% then back up the truck for these assets and rake em in. You know bond rates change every six months. Could be awhile so have plenty of cash to prepare for shopping.

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Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2013-06-20 08:52:29

Soon or awhile…one or two years of lots of cash. And at least mobility to keep a career going and income to build up more cash for when its time to load up the truck

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 21:49:15

Most overlooked asset class: Marketable job skills.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 07:58:55

Fair enough, Bill.

Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2013-06-20 08:22:51

Next crisis will be the growth in interest payments on debt since rates are going up. There will be more gov spending cuts to try to offset it. More calls for removing MID. More Demo trial balloon suggestions to confiscate at least partially 401ks and IRAs to pay out to their voters who saved none.

These make it very important to have movable hidable wealth. Hence I care not about spot price. I care about growing the golden stack. It truly will be known as insurance.

Ask yourself if the economic fundamentals changed. No. The smoke and mirrors, we are told, are going to disappear. The credit bubble is unwinding and the gov will snatch the lowest hanging fruit, electronic assets before hidden assets.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 08:39:22

confiscate at least partially 401ks and IRAs

The machine will do everything in their power to get their hands on it.

 
Comment by Bluestar
2013-06-20 08:57:36

Speaking of “movable wealth”, you know all those new fences they want to put on the boarder work both ways right?

I mentioned the short term interest rate problem a few weeks ago - the FED has moved trillions of debt to the short end of the curve over the last 4 years and it just takes a tiny bump up in short term rates to blow up the whole thing.

 
Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2013-06-20 09:10:05

Are those “new fences” there yet?

 
Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2013-06-20 09:19:26

If they will be built will they be high enough to stop private airplanes?

 
Comment by oxide
2013-06-20 09:55:40

When did the Dems try to take away IRA’s and 401k’s?
Seriously, would like to see an article on that.

And if they try, they’d have to fight Wall Street for the money.

 
Comment by polly
2013-06-20 11:36:36

There has never been any proposal to confiscate IRA or 401k money. But occasionally you will see someone talk about means testing Social Security. Of course, SS is already partially means tested because the formula gives you a much higher percentage replacement of your income at the bottom end than it does close to the max level for payroll taxes, but shhhhh about that. In addition, as I have pointed out many times here, there is no reason to believe that the value of 401ks or IRAs is more likely to subject a person to means testing of social security than teh value of any other account or asset that is associated with your social security number. None.

 
Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2013-06-20 12:26:35

I trust an Obama-supporting fan of big gov any day.

 
Comment by oxide
2013-06-20 12:59:28

SHOW ME A DAMN LINK, BILL.

 
Comment by michael
2013-06-20 13:00:04

“More Demo trial balloon suggestions to confiscate at least partially 401ks and IRAs to pay out to their voters who saved none.”

i think they will completely remove the early withdrawal penalty first…maybe even tax early withdrawals a little less and pass it off as a “tax cut”.

they have already for “special” reasons.

and when i say “they” i mean the ruling class and PTB in general…not just the dems.

 
Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2013-06-20 14:06:37

In a few hours when I am home from work and not on mobile phone I will post the damn link

 
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2013-06-20 14:07:49

“When did the Dems try to take away IRA’s and 401k’s?”

They’re progressives (the majority of Democrats and a growing minority of Republicans), it goes without saying. Lack of precedence has never stopped them in the past. The trend is on the side of big government…The John Roberts decision proved that. No private dollar shall escape the progressive leviathan.

Progressivism - The biggest scam perpetrated on the world since one hour martinizing.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 18:41:53

Bill in LA For President, 2016
Nick For VP, 2016

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-20 19:23:37

Damn Link:

1. US Retiremenet Accounts at Risk Feb 13, 2013 by Michael Ross

As early as August 2010, some American retirees learned of disturbing proposals in Washington DC that many sources characterize as eventual confiscation of private retirement assets. This would be accomplished by forcing Americans to invest their tax-deferred monies in government bonds, which is effectively confiscation through monetary inflation, as the real value of those funds are depreciated through currency debasement. Specifically, the US Departments of Labor and the Treasury held joint hearings, during which was discussed government plans to eventually take control of all assets in IRAs and 401K accounts and replace them with US government “Treasury Retirement Bonds”, whose 3% rate of return would be less than the actual increases in the cost of living

That article also notes that, at the end of 2008, there were an estimated $3.613 trillion of assets in IRAs and $2.350 trillion of assets in 401K plans. Those tax-deferred accounts represent a juicy target for a bankrupt federal government, and arguably could have their rules changed at any time, since the monies have not yet been taxed. Economist Teresa Ghilarducci is one of many who testified in Washington DC and called for a federal government takeover of private retirement plans, in a plan so radical that even a mainstream media source termed her the most dangerous woman in America

http://lewrockwell.com/orig14/ross-m1.1.1.html

That Ghilarducci spoke back in 2008. There were several more events in 2010 and 2012 which they studied ways to thward responsible savers. Every originator a DEMOCRAT.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-20 19:29:04

Another damn link.

From the not illiberal US News and world report:

401(k) Foe Teresa Ghilarducci, the Most Dangerous Woman in America

http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/10/29/401k-foe-teresa-ghilarducci-the-most-dangerous-woman-in-america

You Dumbocraps love to take from the producers and give to the manual laborers or couch potatoes don’t you? Your favorite hobby.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-20 19:50:29

“Progressivism - The biggest scam perpetrated on the world since one hour martinizing.”

Progressivism = severe mental disease.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 19:55:20

There sense of entitlement is stunning. Even some of the retardicans I know well have this same “you owe me” mentality.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 08:17:09

Gold = $1300/oz OR BUST.

DJIA = 15K OR BUST.

 
Comment by cactus
2013-06-20 08:50:24

At $1,300, gold is now down 30% from its peak. And all investors who finally bought into the gold mania over the past couple of years are now underwater.”

Gold was the bubble not housing not yet at least

Bubbles pop if they don’t pop it’s not a bubble

treasuries next ?

Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2013-06-20 09:02:06

Fools who did not buy gold the last decade. The rest of us continue fo stack gold.

Comment by Bluestar
2013-06-20 10:15:02

Bill, gold doesn’t love you back. The most valuable thing in life are the friends you make along the way. When you are alone, sick and on your back maybe you can buy a friend with your money & gold.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2013-06-20 10:30:10

The most valuable thing in life are the friends you make along the way.

What Bluestar said.

 
Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2013-06-20 11:35:10

Blue why tell this to someone who has x percent of assets (x unknown by you but presumed foolishly 100 percent ) in metals? Why dint you tell combo this since we ASS ume combo is all cash? Or Smithers for being all stocks?

 
Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2013-06-20 11:38:10

Why ASS ume I am 100% gold?

 
Comment by Bluestar
2013-06-20 12:03:37

Bill, I’m OK with what ever level you feel works for you.
Loved your idea about having a private plane though. Sure it’s pretty expensive but it’s the ultimate get-a-way machine. Make mine a Mooney Type S (242 knots (448 km/h))

 
Comment by reedalberger
2013-06-20 14:15:28

I have been buying a stack of out-of-the-money puts on GLD every year for the last three years…I usually get them in the 6 to 11 cent range. Hoping this is the year I get paid baby!!! I think today’s move has more than doubled my three year investment and it only gets better with each slide. Hope the markets can help me beat the time decay.

I will be a buyer of physical gold at < 500 per ounce…but that’s just me.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-20 19:31:45

The cost to mine gold is said to be somewhere between $1100 to $1250 per ounce. So I’m still buying. When physical is near cost of production it eventually will exceed it greatly in the next crisis, the confiscation of 401ks and IRAs by the theftocraps.

 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 21:54:28

Treasurys now.

30-yr T-bond yield
on 5/02/2013 = 2.82%
on 6/20/2013 = 3.49%

Capital loss (so far) on a 30-yr T-bond purchased on 5/02/2013:

12.4%

 
 
Comment by Robin
2013-06-20 21:53:05

Bill is stealing from the gold bugs by doing his continual, and planned, dollar cost averaging. He may, eventually, emerge victorious.

I DCA Small Cap, Large Cap, Health and International. Plus large acquisitions of BRK/B.

Worked well this year. Up 10 to 24% until the 10% correction. Fine with us - :)

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-21 19:56:01

I DCA More into large cap stock funds than into gold. I also DCA Into international stock funds. My asset allocation in gold is well under 10%, which is the number I am trying to catch up to.

 
 
 
Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2013-06-20 03:53:54

OK, for those who really want both a good laugh and some sanity-validation, get on NETFLIX, find the latest (released in May) season of Arrested Development and in Season 4, watch Episode #3. In that 23 minutes of truthiness is a theme about buying a McMansion in California with a NINJA loan and the absurdity of trying to live in it. It captures the idiocy of Bubble 1.0 very well- including the part where the happy new owners never even make their first payment.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 04:00:17

Do the new owners summarily qualify for legal protection against foreclosure under the California Homeowner’s Bill of Rights?

 
Comment by rms
2013-06-20 04:27:55

“In that 23 minutes of truthiness is a theme about buying a McMansion in California with a NINJA loan and the absurdity of trying to live in it. It captures the idiocy of Bubble 1.0 very well- including the part where the happy new owners never even make their first payment.

+1 Gotta love those “First Payment Default” peeps. So California!

 
Comment by AnonyRuss
2013-06-20 11:37:01

It was neat to see one of my favorite cancelled shows resurrected on Netflix after seven years. It makes sense that the show tackled the Housing Bubble/Bust as the family owned a housing development company. The new season explored the character’s post-cancellation lives.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/27/how-arrested-development-explains-the-housing-crisis-among-other-things/

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 03:56:17

How will mortgage rates fare in a post-QE3 world?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 03:57:41

Now’s the Time to Start Worrying About Mortgage Rates
by Matt Koppenheffer, The Motley Fool
Jun 19th 2013 8:35PM
Updated Jun 20th 2013 12:50AM

The Federal Reserve didn’t tip its cards on raising interest rates. At least, not in its prepared post-meeting statement. The message continues to be that a “highly accommodative stance of monetary policy” will remain in place until unemployment dips below 6.5% or inflation expectations start tipping above 2.5%. It’s the same heavy dose of non-clear clarity that’s been driving markets crazy for some time now.

But if you’re a potential home buyer who’s had a close eye on mortgage rates, or an investor in mortgage- and interest-rate sensitive businesses like banks and mortgage REITs, there’s plenty that the Fed has offered that hints at timing.

If we look to the supplemental release of the Fed’s economic projections, we can see the “central tendency” projection for unemployment has come down for both 2013 and 2014.

 
Comment by rms
2013-06-20 04:35:06

“How will mortgage rates fare in a post-QE3 world?”

Really depends on whose money is at risk. That said, I wouldn’t invest my retirement nest-egg for the promise of a 20% return to put Nadya Suleman and her litter into a California home. The only winners would be the MBA and NAR commission junkies.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 04:02:54

Is a major turning point now staring us in the face, or is there a way back out of the abyss?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 04:04:41

20 June 2013 Last updated at 05:41 ET
Linda Yueh
A cash crunch in China, the Fed, and Abenomics
Japanese and Chinese banknotes

The morning after the night before: Last night, the Fed suggested the beginning of the end of their cheap cash injections, while the Japanese prime minister confirmed that Abenomics is in full swing.

Then, there’s China. Its banks are charging the most on record to lend to each other by one key measure.

It costs 12.3% for banks to lend to each other for seven days. In other words, China is sort-of experiencing a credit crunch, which is fairly surprising as its banks are largely state-owned.

But, they are also suffering the consequences of too much cheap cash, and now there are signs of the beginning of the end of that era.

End date

Comment by homie don't play houses
2013-06-20 08:32:34

There are no black swans in China. Only golden brown swans on roaster.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 04:06:43

12 June 2013 Last updated at 10:00 ET
Linda Yueh
The great reversal? Is the era of cheap money ending?

A Bangalore street market The Indian rupee fell to a record low this week

It was US bonds last week, and now it’s emerging economies’ currencies, stocks and bonds that aren’t having a good week.

A key index of emerging market stocks has fallen by 10% since its May peak. Brazil’s stock market is down by more than 20%, which is often called a bear market.

The money outflows are clearly seen in their currencies. The Indian rupee fell to a record low earlier this week. The Brazilian and South African currencies hit four year lows and are at the level that they were during the global financial crisis. The Indonesian currency hit its lowest level in three years.

For that matter, US government bonds haven’t been doing well either. Investors reportedly sold a record amount of global bonds last week, where two-thirds were US bonds. They also sold emerging market bonds.

What’s the connection? A nervousness over the potential end of cheap money.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-06-20 04:11:09

Maybe it’s a fork in the road poking us in the butt?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 04:14:53

Somebody is getting poked pretty hard at the moment.

 
 
Comment by rms
2013-06-20 04:43:28

“Is a major turning point now staring us in the face, or is there a way back out of the abyss?”

Maybe Obama’s trusted financial confident Jon Corzine will part the sea of debt, Moses style, and lead the gluttonous Americans to the land of milk and honey.

Comment by homie don't play houses
2013-06-20 07:24:14

He should replace Bernanke as the next fed chair. Or that “always brilliant” guy.

Comment by nickpapageorgio
2013-06-20 14:28:41

Do we really want to put a two bit con man in that seat? It’s bad enough that he is a progressive, but this guy is about as shady as you can get. He used MF global customer money to cover company short falls and somehow escaped prison. If you or I did the same thing in our business, you better believe that we would be in our prison blues as we speak.

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Comment by waitinginPA
2013-06-20 04:23:09

I know the blog will be busy today with the fed’s actions yesterday, but I have a sanity check question.

Do I come here, because I like interacting with smart people that understand the crazy financial times that we are living in?

Or do I come here to get reinforcement of my preconceived notions about housing?

No one I talk to in person understands that interest rates are part of the equation for housing prices. When (if ever) interest rates go up, either houses become widely unaffordable or they come down in price. No one believes that. All I hear is ”prices have already hit bottom and will never go down again”.

I think this fall will be ugly and I think that the fed may have lost control of interest rates. Maybe I am right and maybe I am wrong. Maybe they can keep things afloat for another 10 years and I look like a tin hat person.

I probably shouldn’t be asking strangers for a sanity check, but after swimming against the tides for 9 years, I have to wonder if maybe I am missing something. (But then again I know several people that had to bring money to the closing table when they sold, but immediately bought homes again and are under water again)

Comment by goon squad
2013-06-20 05:46:53

Emotion is a major factor. The sheeple have been conditioned that they are “buying a home”, not borrowing from a bank to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars of interest for a used house that is nothing more than a depreciating asset.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 05:51:49

Look at asking prices of resale housing.

- They’re still priced 200%-300% higher than pre-bubble levels

-Asking prices of resale housing are 40% higher than the cost to build (material, labor, profit)

Why would you pay a 40% premium for a used up 30 year old house?

Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2013-06-20 06:34:35

Housing is going to crash!!!!!!!

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-06-20 05:54:10

The largest housing mania in history may not be quite dead yet, but the credit expansion that fueled it is crumbling. The consequences are natural, logical and unavoidable, but they will be totally unexpected. Remain defensive as long as these gaping vulnerabilities persist.

Most people cannot analyze their situation past their next paycheck.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 06:03:01

“Nobody could have seen it coming!”

 
Comment by goon squad
2013-06-20 06:49:13

“past their next paycheck”

One of the Feds in my office is a mid-step GS-13 pulling in about $100K of cheese from Uncle Sugar annually.

She is b*tching and moaning about how the 11 furlough days will be such a hardship, even though her and her husband can “afford” to go gambling at Blackhawk every weekend.

Comment by homie don't play houses
2013-06-20 07:22:04

Gambling is not a hobby it’s a necessity for many. Gamble in WallStreet or Hosuing or Casino, no major difference. You will lose alot.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2013-06-20 09:14:43

Do I come here, because I like interacting with smart people that understand the crazy financial times that we are living in?

Or do I come here to get reinforcement of my preconceived notions about housing?

I try to take that into consideration. All I know for sure is that I know a lot more now than when I first came here, and that can’t be bad.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-06-20 09:38:49

Maybe they can keep things afloat for another 10 years and I look like a tin hat person.

It depends on your definition of “afloat”. They can keep things from cratering for a long time. That said, it won’t be pretty, with a steadily eroding standard of living and other ugly side effects. At some point the house of cards will collapse.

Comment by oxide
2013-06-20 09:59:06

Well that’s the rub, isn’t it. WHEN is this all going to crater, and is it worth paying rent the whole time?

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 10:07:29

Considering rental rates are half the carrying costs of buying at current inflated asking prices, of course it’s wise to rent.

At some point the house of cards will collapse.

You are correct grasshopper.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2013-06-20 10:43:08

The irony is that your finances cratered the day you bought a big old house at bubble prices with money you can’t pay back for decades under the flimsy umbrellas of peak credit, peak government employment, peak silly programs and peak wasteful deficit spending. The forces that have you drawn and quartered are already in motion but you can’t feel them because of the opiate of leveraged ownership and the barbituate of imagined future gambling profits. TIming isn’t too important, we have plenty of popcorn.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 11:14:49

“The irony is that your finances cratered the day you bought a big old house at bubble prices with money you can’t pay back for decades under the flimsy umbrellas of peak credit”

If it’s been said once, it’s been said a thousand times;

“If you have to borrow money for 30 years, it’s not ‘affordable’ nor can you afford it.”

Now every body repeat after me…. “AMEN.”

 
Comment by oxide
2013-06-20 13:19:56

Why do you enjoy this hate, Blue? I’m not looking to get rich, I didn’t come to HBB to brag about properties or read about QE or debate Rush’s latest logical fallacy or discuss the origins of the Civil War or learn about bitcoins or the latest country in Europe to go belly up (again). I’m just a simple girl who wanted a stable job and a house with a yard and a rent that doesn’t go up and a housing expense which becomes relatively low when I retire and my income disappears. Something millions upon millions of boomers wanted and acquired with relative ease. Something that the entire Millenial generation may never enjoy.

My finances were already “cratering” every year when I received a notice of my rent increasing. Renting is buying a dwelling with money that I can NEVER pay back. Ever. At least with buying, I limited that to two decades.

And I CAN pay my mortgage money back — within a couple months, if I so wished. If I lose my job tomorrow (unlikely), I simply sell my house and use the proceeds to pay off the amount owed. Even without the mini-bubble bump, I can probably swing the associated expenses. At the end of the day, I would be no worse off than if I had rented the entire time.

I’m sure you know this. So, why all the hate, day after day after day?

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-06-20 13:58:54

Oh Oxy, there is no hate, except for the delusions.

The message that debt leads to financial security and that rent is cash in the trash begs for pushback. Day after day.

You are quick enough to post all kinds of wild stuff, like lectures on how nuclear reactors work and how to save money by filling your freezer with jugs of water!

 
Comment by wittbelle
2013-06-20 14:20:10

I don’t know why so many people are filled with hate. I used to enjoy coming on this blog because there were people on here that knew more than I did and I actually learned something. Now I have to wade through the hate-filled rhetoric of trolls and extremists to get to anything with relevance. I don’t have a problem with ANYONE buying a house. I don’t have a problem with ANYONE not buying a house. I don’t have a problem with ANYONE buying gold. I don’t have a problem with ANYONE not buying gold. It’s not my money! WTF do I care what someone else does with their money? They will reap the rewards or face the consequences, not me. All this negativity isn’t productive at all and, honestly, if I were Ben, I would block half of the people on here. There’s so much disdain for one another and even smutty comments sneaking through. What a waste.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 18:09:56

“I don’t know why so many people are filled with hate.”

Strawman Alert

Wrap your empty skulls around this because I’ll only say it once.

When you come here to this blog looking for vindication, acceptance, confirmation or atonement for making the error of buying a house, you’re not gonna get it. To the contrary; you’ll get heaps of condemnation you so richly deserve.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-06-20 19:03:23

There is no personal “hate”. A theme here is whether you can borrow your way to prosperity, as an individual, as a state, as a nation, as a globe. A theme here is whether housing is in a bubble. Some posters here, like Oxy say housing and debt is not in a bubble and if you are not in you are a loser. It is kind of important for some to sort out and not just “get along” by agreeing or at least not answering.

Belle, are you a debt will make me rich gal, or a wanna know what is going on gal?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-06-20 19:53:59

I’m sure you know this. So, why all the hate, day after day after day?

Because he’s a hack.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 20:09:03

It seems housing demand in California is still collapsing. But this is what happens when prices are grossly inflated.

http://www.zillow.com/local-info/CA-home-value/r_9?disambig=9827_51231_44405_37693&pri=9#metric=mt%3D30%26dt%3D1%26tp%3D5%26rt%3D14%26r%3D9%26el%3D0

 
 
Comment by DaniW
2013-06-20 17:01:43

The thing that’s great about renting is that with the increase in home invasion robberies people in houses are vulnerable but I in my apartment am probably 99% less so.

The robber can stake out the house, find out people’s activity patterns and jump the fence and kick in the back door with no problem once they figure out when you are gone. They simply can’t do that in my apartment on the sixth floor of a security building behind a solid door with a deadbolt.

People are out of work and out of money and police forces are being cut back. The suburbs are going to continue to be more and more vulnerable to thieves and robbers.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2013-06-21 08:41:27

That makes sense right up until your whole building is held up at once with you still in it, kind of like a stage coach robbery back in the day. Hopefully things won’t ever get that bad. But if they do, how many of your neighbors are gun owners? I’d be surprised if any are…and what if the robbers ARE the cops?

 
 
 
 
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-06-20 12:43:07

Year-over-year and month-over-month, housing inventory is actually increasing in Phoenix and Las Vegas. And this after steep inventory declines over the past year. I think the next crash should come very quickly.

Comment by oxide
2013-06-20 13:21:03

Phoenix and Vegas were overbuilt to begin with, with little job base to support it. A crash there is expected.

What about Manhattan, or Austin, or San Jose, or Fairfax County VA?

Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-06-20 13:47:42

Phoenix and Las Vegas have been experiencing explosive price increases, like nothing you have ever imagined. Not sure why you think these places are more overbuilt than anywhere else. Also not sure why you think the jobs are somehow less supportive than jobs anywhere else. Maybe too many illegals taking the jobs, but that would lead to housing demand, so that makes no sense either. You wouldn’t happen to belong to the “It’s different in my special neighborhood” crowd, would you?

San Jose: Inventory is way up for the month, and also up for the year.

Austin: Inventory still way down from last year, but up for the month.

Fairfax City: Inventory is way up for the month, but still way down for the year.

New York City inventory is down, both on month and year.

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Comment by rms
2013-06-20 17:50:04

“San Jose: Inventory is way up for the month, and also up for the year.”

San Jose, CA is hugely expensive, way over-priced; even dual professional income couples struggle to survive. Most of the people I know around there fell into a deal, inherited grandma’s home, etc.

 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 18:39:44

“What about Manhattan, or Austin, or San Jose, or Fairfax County VA?”

You mean the fact that renting is half the cost of buying in every single one of those locations?

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Comment by goon squad
2013-06-20 04:31:13

Realtors® are liars.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 04:38:31

That’s an understatement.

Comment by goon squad
2013-06-20 05:42:51

Every time I see facebook Realtor® he lies to everyone who will listen.

It makes for some awkward social situations when I call him out as a liar in front of our mutual friends and hammer him with statistics. And yes, I am alot of fun at parties. Alot.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 05:52:49

Why isn’t he in jail?

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Comment by polly
2013-06-20 04:38:09

If anyone is interested, there was an on-line chat about the article about deficiency judgements that I posted earlier this week. It even has a list of links for 20 different state statutes.

Here is the link to the chat:

http://live.washingtonpost.com/homeowner-foreclosure.html

and one of the questions:

Q.

number of properties
Maybe I missed it in the article, but what is the approx number of properties nationwide that could conceivably be affected by either deficiency judgements or debt collection? All underwater properties that were foreclosed upon?

A.

We did not include that in the article. But essentially, to do the math on that you’d probably need to add up the number of the nation’s foreclosures (not including short sales or deed-in-lieus) that occurred in recourse states. That would probably get you pretty close to the number of properties that are eligible for motions for deficiency judgment. Now, that’s not to say that lenders would go after all of those people, because the pursuit of these judgments are still pretty rare.

For example, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac flagged 12% of their foreclosed properties in 2011 for deficiency judgment collection — more than 35,000 properties.

Here’s a link to the report that details this.

Comment by wittbelle
2013-06-20 14:25:10

That’s what bankruptcy’s for….

 
Comment by Patrick
2013-06-20 18:49:19

Polly

I had trouble getting more than just two comments - although 15 were listed as posted.

Any advice?

Comment by polly
2013-06-20 18:56:18

I had that issue with one of the computers I use and didn’t have it with the other. Not sure what the difference is. Maybe turn off any blocking software you have running just to look at the chat? Not sure what else to say.

 
 
 
Comment by tj
2013-06-20 04:45:42

zenyatta ventures: symbol (ZEN) closed at $2.49 canadian on 6-19-2013

disclosure: I just finished a couple weeks of accumulating a position in ZEN, therefore i’m biased on the stock.

mickey fuld criticized ZEN but his criticisms were well discredited.

rick rule doesn’t like ZEN and he’s rigorously honest. he knows more about resource stocks than just about anyone. if rick rule doesn’t like a stock, you better be very careful of it.

it’s a very risky stock that might have big rewards. don’t buy it with any money that you can’t afford to lose.

less than a year ago it was at 15 cents. it has had a huge rise and could have a big fall.

i’m not recommending anyone buy it. just bringing it to your attention. I bought it with the intention of holding for years, but I might decide to sell tomorrow and I won’t tell anyone when I sell. if you buy, you are on your own.

I bought because the story is so compelling to me that I couldn’t take the chance that it might have run away from me. its deposit is one of a kind. but many things can go wrong. ZEN could drop like a rock for many reasons.

there are people analyzing ZEN on silicon investor. it’s a little known stock right now, but it probably won’t be for long.

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2013-06-20 07:15:10

Just out of curiosity - why are you posting about your investment in a penny Canadian stock here?

Years ago I used to invest in individual stocks. Now I stick to (mostly index) mutual funds and ETFs.

Back in the day it seemed like there was a lot of pumping and dumping cheer leading on Silicon Investor. Until you mentioned it today, I had not thought about the Silicon Investor website in well over 5 years, maybe longer.

Comment by tj
2013-06-20 07:57:50

why are you posting about your investment in a penny Canadian stock here?

because i’m a pumper. you should ignore me.

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2013-06-20 08:15:29

I appreciate the candor.

Consider yourself pumped ignored.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 08:17:37

You don’t have the fortitude to ignore the truth.

 
Comment by tj
2013-06-20 08:19:43

Consider yourself pumped ignored.

good. you are wise. always ignore pumpers.

 
Comment by Ol'Bubba
2013-06-20 12:38:46

You don’t have the fortitude to ignore the truth.

^this makes no sense whatsoever. Then again, consider the source…

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 18:36:36

We don’t expect you to understand. You’ve long since established your inability to grasp fundamental truth.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Hard Rain
2013-06-20 04:58:29

More job producer bashing…

Gated cities in our future?

Downtown Boston has become a playground for the rich, dominated by luxury condo towers with multimillion-dollar units.

Well it’s all part of a global phenomenon that threatens to turn the world’s top cities into “gated citadels,” British author Simon Kuper warns in the Financial Times.

Global cities are turning into vast gated communities where the one per cent reproduces itself. Elite members don’t live there for their jobs. They work virtually anyway. Rather, global cities are where they network with each other, and put their kids through their country’s best school

Earlier waves of gentrification pushed the poor and working class out of the downtowns of the globe’s most coveted metropolises. Now it’s the middle and upper middle class that are getting the boot, Kuper argues.

That was gentrification. Now comes plutocratisation: the middle classes and small companies are falling victim to class-cleansing. Global cities are becoming patrician ghettos. In 2009, says (Columbia University’s) Sassen, the top 1 per cent of New York City’s earners got 44 per cent of the compensation paid to its workers. The “super-prime housing market” keeps rising even when the national economy collapses. After Manhattan, New York’s upper-middle classes are being priced out of Brooklyn. Sassen diagnoses “gradual destruction.”

http://www.boston.com/realestate/news/blogs/renow/2013/06/gated_cities_in.html

Comment by goon squad
2013-06-20 05:49:58

Excellent New Yorker piece discussing that topic in the Bay Area and Silly Valley:

http://m.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/05/27/130527fa_fact_packer

Comment by aNYCdj
2013-06-20 19:21:13

John Chambers, of Cisco, kept pushing for a tax holiday on overseas profits that are reinvested in the United States.

Hmmm my stupid ideas seem to resonate with smart people…oh well

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-06-20 06:32:30

After Manhattan, New York’s upper-middle classes are being priced out of Brooklyn. Sassen diagnoses “gradual destruction.”

That’s odd, since real estate only goes down in value.

I see this happening on a smaller scale in smaller cities. It’s “cool” to live downtown if you’re rich now, even in Flyover.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-20 06:51:38

We wouldn’t need gated communities if the “youths” of the world behaved themselves.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 06:54:53

Smarten up Slithers.

 
Comment by goon squad
2013-06-20 06:57:59

umm, that’s racist?

we wouldn’t need gated communities if people just put more coexist stickers on their subaru outbacks and volvo station wagons.

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-20 07:31:38

I wish hippies hadn’t co-opted Subarus and Volvos. I like both of those brands. Well at least the older Volvos. The Volvos of today are indistinguishable from other brands. On the other hand the 240s (the boxy ones) from the 80s are still running with 300, 400, 500K miles on them.

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Comment by inchbyinch
2013-06-20 07:52:49

I bought my Volvo new in 1995 and still own it at 320K miles. She’s long in the tooth, but gets me around.
I’ll miss the cost of ownership.
Can’t wait until Tesla has affordable sedans.

 
 
 
Comment by spook
2013-06-20 10:07:39

We wouldn’t need gated communities if the “youths” of the world behaved themselves.
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My theory is the increase in “feral youths” produces a scarcity of “good areas” which increases the value of “good areas”.

You see this around universities in big cities. Young white people all stacked up paying big money to live on top of each other because they are surrounded by dangerous”ghetto”.

The “dangerous ghetto” is a price support for the “good areas”.

The ghetto is in “mint condition”, meant to be that way.

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-20 10:35:43

Spook,

Exactly. Which is why the “but median income is only $25,000 in this city so a $600K condo is overpriced” argument is falls apart. Yeah median income is $25K, but someone who can afford a $600K condo is willing to pay to be in the 10% of the city that is livable.

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Comment by spook
2013-06-20 11:43:04

but someone who can afford a $600K condo is willing to pay to be in the 10% of the city that is livable.
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OK, but my point is the “10% livable” is an artificial construct enforced by NOT the feral youths, but by those who own the wealth and means of production.

Stability is the enemy of profit. Sprinkle some feral youths into a stable area and you can churn it up so profits can be extracted.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-06-20 12:33:46

OK, but my point is the “10% livable” is an artificial construct enforced by NOT the feral youths, but by those who own the wealth and means of production.

Good point.

 
Comment by localandlord
2013-06-20 14:00:42

I live in a hillbilly ghetto and it is just as pleasant as can be. The neighbors do talk with an accent and drive older cars, that’s about it.

But the media likes to put down hillbillies because it is politically incorrect to downplay other minorities. Someone’g got to be the villian. So that keeps the property values (and taxes) down. OK by me.

 
 
Comment by localandlord
2013-06-20 13:52:49

Here’s an example of someone making the payment on their mega Mcmansion by hosting house parties.

Sounds like the well heeled side of the ghetto is creeping into the suburbs.

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Comment by localandlord
2013-06-20 13:55:19
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Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-06-20 12:35:55

Most of the crime is being committed by senile Baby Boomers. They like to steal high-end pillow covers and the rocker part of rocking chairs.

 
 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-06-20 09:19:34

Well it’s all part of a global phenomenon that threatens to turn the world’s top cities into “gated citadels,” British author Simon Kuper warns in the Financial Times.

As someone noted earlier, fences work both ways.

 
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-06-20 12:33:50

I think there are too downtown many condos for only 1% of people to live there. When I was a kid, downtown was a place for drug addicts. No one wanted to live there.

Comment by Carl Morris
2013-06-20 13:28:37

And before that downtown was the place to be. As far as I can tell it’s just and endless cycle of those with means moving back and forth to stay away from those they’d rather avoid.

Comment by ecofeco
2013-06-20 14:29:40

Pretty much.

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Comment by Hard Rain
2013-06-20 05:01:47

What Brazil’s Protests Say About Latin America’s Fumbling Elites

It’s a delusion harbored by the ruling classes the world over, but especially in Latin America. It’s the bogus belief that even if people get richer, they don’t get smarter. Ask Chile’s Carménère-sipping elites where that clueless thinking got them. Ask them to explain why the country with the region’s highest per capita GDP and one of its stronger middle classes — the Latin American nation most likely to achieve developed status first — has been the scene of some of the region’s loudest street protests in recent years.

Read more: http://world.time.com/2013/06/19/what-brazils-protests-say-about-latin-americas-fumbling-elites/#ixzz2Wl0AqdDC

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-20 07:10:17

With amnesty / open borders now fully implemented, these dis-satisfied youths can just come to America, register as Democrats and live the good life. And as my liberal betters keep telling me, the USA will be much stronger through our diversity and such.

Comment by jose canusi
2013-06-20 07:19:54

“With amnesty / open borders now fully implemented,”

They passed the bill? Gee, I must’ve missed it. Although open borders has been fully implemented for years. The Border Patrol is now pretty much relegated to desert rescues.

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-20 07:34:49

Does it really matter is the bill passes or not?

Illegals have de facto amnesty as it is. Illegal kids get instate tuition in most states. Illegals get driver licenses in most states. SCOTUS just ruled that it’s racist to ask for proof of citizenship when registering to vote. So illegals can merrily vote as well. They have citizenship for all intents and purposes whether a bill is passed or not.

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Comment by spook
2013-06-20 10:21:25

Does it really matter is the bill passes or not?
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Yes. Because even if illegals are tolerated, you need the laws to function as a “filter” to make sure only young, healthy illegals can get here and function…

For example, people who run youth hostels keep out the “riff raff” by requiring either a passport or a student ID in order to get a bed.

Its really just a filter to keep out the trash.

Lots of regulations and “laws” are posted for this purpose.

In the future I see a lot more retail businesses requiring “membership” in order to enter their outlets.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-20 10:41:21

“you need the laws to function as a “filter” to make sure only young, healthy illegals can get here and function…”

Right, because illegals follow laws.

 
Comment by spook
2013-06-20 11:24:18

Right, because illegals follow laws.
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It takes some ABILITY to be an illegal alien; in a way its very similar to being a “homeless” person.

ABW (always be working) is one tactic that allows a naked person to hide in plain site.

 
Comment by homie don't play houses
2013-06-20 13:11:15

In the future I see a lot more retail businesses requiring “membership” in order to enter their outlets.

Excellent point. I have had the same thoughts every time I visit BestBuy Or Barnes and Noble for any electronics or book purchases. I don’t buy there….I just test and feel the products and read some chapters in the store and order online. This will stop one day.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2013-06-20 10:39:45

On Monday, I was visited by a couple of friends who were bringing their car, Blue, home after a long drive. In the latter half of 2011, they started out from Seattle. Destination: Tierre de Fuego and then Antarctica.

After communing with the icebergs and penguins, they drove north to Sao Paolo, put the car on a ship and sent it up to Galveston. They flew home to Seattle and took care of a few other things, then went to Texas to be reunited with their beloved Blue.

Their impressions of Central and South America? Mexico is one of the most happening countries around. Great food. Nice people. A lot of fun to be had there.

Central America? Sort of like North Korea in that the people are slowly becoming smaller and dumber because of widespread malnutrition. The smart ones left for El Norte.

South America lacked good beer. But that Chilean wine is out of this world. Brazil? Look out for country. It’s on the move.

Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-06-20 12:28:50

“Mexico is one of the most happening countries around.”

If that’s your standard, then life must SUK!

 
 
 
Comment by rms
2013-06-20 05:10:27

From Sacramento, CA:

“Davis teen pleads not guilty to brutal double slaying” <—search string

Here’s a snippet:

“In June 2011, Hosking filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy. The Davis home she and her former husband bought in 2006 for $805,000 was in default and being sold, according to her filing.”

“An office assistant for the city of Davis, Hosking listed more than $70,000 in combined credit card debt for her and Bill Marsh, as well as $58,389 from a lingering second mortgage on a foreclosed Vacaville home.”

 
Comment by azdude
2013-06-20 05:16:43

buying a house is the the best way to get rich quick.

Comment by goon squad
2013-06-20 05:52:10

Realtor®

Comment by azdude
2013-06-20 05:59:22

troll

Comment by goon squad
2013-06-20 06:08:22

You are an employee of the National Association of Realtors®

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Comment by azdude
2013-06-20 06:15:00

no sir

I like to make cash by understanding the game.

A lot of people sit around and whine how things aren’t going there way cause they aren’t in the game.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-06-20 06:20:34

There you go. Do not assume bribery when stoopidity is an adequate explanation. Still, if you are not an annointed Realtor, they should at least give you a free T-shirt.

 
Comment by inchbyinch
2013-06-20 07:59:19

I’m licensed in Ca due to my career path.
Residential and Commercial are truly two
different animals. I am working on a new
path to a medical REIT. 78M Baby Boomers
means job security.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 08:12:14

Pimping depreciating junk is what it is.

Donkey,

How much did you pay for that depreciating shack you bought?

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-06-20 09:47:47

I like to make cash by understanding the game.

A lot of people sit around and whine how things aren’t going there way cause they aren’t in the game.

Do you have any useful skills outside of the game? What’s your plan when the game ends?

 
Comment by goon squad
2013-06-20 10:13:35

“when the game ends”

My cousin-in-law, ex-mortgage broker in Cape Coral, FL is back exactly where he was 15 years ago, living on my cousin’s couch, unemployed, smoking pot and playing video games all day.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-20 13:02:43

“living on my cousin’s couch, unemployed, smoking pot and playing video games all day.”

Is that a bad thing or a good thing?

 
Comment by goon squad
2013-06-20 13:54:02

Correction: cousin-in-law’s brother, now living with my cousin and her husband.

Smoking pot and playing video games only damages himself, compared to the financial carnage he must have wrought on others while being a debt pusher.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-06-20 05:57:24

Getting a sincere statement from a Realtor is like trying to nail jello to a tree.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 07:30:16

“Getting a sincere statement from a Realtor is like trying to nail jello to a tree.”

They’re like whirling dervish’es spinning up lies, gassing the atmosphere with obfuscating exhaust and fanning the steaming turd on a paper plate in the center of the stage that is housing.

 
Comment by rms
2013-06-20 17:58:41

“Getting a sincere statement from a Realtor is like trying to nail jello to a tree.”

+1 LOL!

 
 
Comment by homie don't play houses
2013-06-20 07:14:06

Second best. Stocks are #1 on my list.

Comment by Al
2013-06-20 08:38:05

Don’t forget frozen concentrated orange juice futures.

 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 06:06:21

OMG this is starting to get chaotic.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-06-20 06:15:38

You cannot lie a recovery into being.

 
Comment by azdude
2013-06-20 06:17:18

the stock gamblers are fleeing like rats.

 
Comment by oxide
2013-06-20 07:00:11

Sell in May and walk away…

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 22:59:27

Is the situation at hand a mini-panic which has almost run its course, or the start of another long-hot summer which has only just begun?

ft dot com
Last updated: June 20, 2013 11:19 pm
Global sell-off raises turbulence fears
By Ralph Atkins in London and Michael Mackenzie in New York

An abrupt global sell-off in equities, bonds and commodities on Thursday has fuelled fears that the world is entering a fresh phase of financial turbulence as the US Federal Reserve prepares to ease its large-scale asset purchases.

Emerging markets were among the worst hit in volatile trading after Ben Bernanke, Fed chairman, on Wednesday set out the case for slowing the pace of QE3 this year as the US economy picks up momentum. As the dollar strengthened, gold prices tumbled by as much as 4.8 per cent to a two-and-a-half-year low. Oil fell 3.3 per cent.

Yields on 10-year US Treasuries, which move inversely with prices, hit 2.47 per cent at one point – up from a low of 1.61 per cent in early May – although a steep fall in US equity prices later encouraged a move back into government debt.

Thursday’s sell-off threw firmly into reverse the rally earlier this year triggered by Japan’s aggressive action to drag its economy out of deflation.

“The mood was exuberant in May after the Bank of Japan started to print money but with the Fed heading the other way everyone is suddenly very twitchy,” said Trevor Greetham, director of asset allocation at Fidelity.

John Brady, managing director of interest rate sales at RJ O’Brien, said: “The risk here is that the market’s reaction is now out of the Fed’s hands – emerging market and carry trades globally are being unwound.”

The nervousness was exacerbated by an escalating credit crunch in China, where short-term money rates soared to all-time highs. The FTSE Emerging markets index tumbled 4.2 per cent on Thursday – the deepest one-day slide since September 2011. The EMBI Global Diversified index of international developing country bonds fell 1.4 per cent to its lowest level since June last year and has lost almost 8 per cent since early May. The Indian rupee and Turkish lira plunged to record lows against the dollar.

“Risk assets are very vulnerable, and the situation in China is not positive for near-term global growth prospects,” said John Briggs, strategist at RBS Securities.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 23:03:40

ft dot com
Last updated: June 20, 2013 11:19 pm
Global sell-off raises turbulence fears
By Ralph Atkins in London and Michael Mackenzie in New York

An abrupt global sell-off in equities, bonds and commodities on Thursday has fuelled fears that the world is entering a fresh phase of financial turbulence as the US Federal Reserve prepares to ease its large-scale asset purchases.

Emerging markets were among the worst hit in volatile trading after Ben Bernanke, Fed chairman, on Wednesday set out the case for slowing the pace of QE3 this year as the US economy picks up momentum. As the dollar strengthened, gold prices tumbled by as much as 4.8 per cent to a two-and-a-half-year low. Oil fell 3.3 per cent.

Yields on 10-year US Treasuries, which move inversely with prices, hit 2.47 per cent at one point – up from a low of 1.61 per cent in early May – although a steep fall in US equity prices later encouraged a move back into government debt.

Thursday’s sell-off threw firmly into reverse the rally earlier this year triggered by Japan’s aggressive action to drag its economy out of deflation.

“The mood was exuberant in May after the Bank of Japan started to print money but with the Fed heading the other way everyone is suddenly very twitchy,” said Trevor Greetham, director of asset allocation at Fidelity.

John Brady, managing director of interest rate sales at RJ O’Brien, said: “The risk here is that the market’s reaction is now out of the Fed’s hands – emerging market and carry trades globally are being unwound.”

The nervousness was exacerbated by an escalating credit crunch in China, where short-term money rates soared to all-time highs. The FTSE Emerging markets index tumbled 4.2 per cent on Thursday – the deepest one-day slide since September 2011. The EMBI Global Diversified index of international developing country bonds fell 1.4 per cent to its lowest level since June last year and has lost almost 8 per cent since early May. The Indian rupee and Turkish lira plunged to record lows against the dollar.

“Risk assets are very vulnerable, and the situation in China is not positive for near-term global growth prospects,” said John Briggs, strategist at RBS Securities.

 
 
Comment by goon squad
2013-06-20 06:15:23

“House lawmakers defeated an attempt by Democrats to restore the $20.5 billion that would be cut from food-stamp programs over the next decade under the House farm bill that is currently being debated.”

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/06/19/house-rejects-restoring-food-stamp-funds/

Comment by Bluestar
2013-06-20 07:20:14

Even better than that:
” The House Appropriations Subcommittee voted Monday to cut renewable energy spending at DOE in half - by $911 million - in fiscal 2014 (not counting 8.7% cuts in the current sequester), ostensibly to cope with a second round of automatic sequestration cuts.
Since they want to raise defense spending $28 billion above the sequester level they are looking for cuts elsewhere.
“In a challenging fiscal environment, we have to prioritize funding, and the Subcommittee chose to address the readiness and safety of the nation’s nuclear stockpile and to invest in critical infrastructure projects to protect lives and property and support economic growth,” says Energy and Water Subcommittee Chairman Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-NJ).
Nuclear security would be funded at $11.3 billion - $661 million above the sequester level - while renewable energy would get less than $1 billion next year.
They also want to steep cuts in one of DOE’s flagship programs, ARPA-E, which funds breakthrough energy research by slashing spending on the Department of Energy’s (DOE’s) Advanced Research Projects Agency-Energy (ARPA-E) from the current level of $252 million to just $50 million, an 80% cut.”
http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/24988

The GOP thinks we need more nuclear bombs? Really?

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-20 07:28:03

You know who else has stopped funding “green” technology? Germany. And France. And Spain. Only gullible American Democrats still believe in Al Gore’s lies.

“If Chancellor Angela Merkel comes to power after elections in September, Germany may become the latest European country to curb support for renewable energy infrastructure. Amidst the poor economic environment in Europe, a number of countries have pulled back support for the renewable energy sector by either reducing subsidies or introducing taxes on revenues from renewable energy projects.

Angela Merkel has promised that she would reduce the $24 billion per year subsidies being provided to renewable energy projects after the September elections”

Comment by homie don't play houses
2013-06-20 07:44:35

Mekel must hate children.

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Comment by goon squad
2013-06-20 07:58:12
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Comment by homie don't play houses
2013-06-20 08:23:37

Breathing is overrated.

 
Comment by Bluestar
2013-06-20 08:26:23

It could be worse, you could live in Singapore.
“Pollution in Singapore Hits Record Level
The Pollution Standards Index, a uniform system used by Singapore to measure pollution, hit 371 at 1 p.m., topping the previous record of 226, which was set in 1997. Health officials consider any level above 300 to be hazardous to health.”

Singapore is so pissed off about this pollution they are considering retaliating against Indonesia, where farmers in Sumatra often burn forests at this time of year as a cheap way of preparing the land for new plantings (mostly palm oil plantations).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/singapore/10131868/Singapore-pollution-record-after-Indonesia-fires-cause-regional-haze.html

 
 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2013-06-20 14:35:18

Let them eat cake!

 
 
Comment by goon squad
2013-06-20 06:24:09

feds drool, contractors rule:

“The ranks of contract workers helping to do background checks on contractors and federal employees swelled 15 percent to almost 6,800 last year from fiscal 2011 … “The backlog for government and private-sector employees awaiting clearances continues to be huge” … About 4.92 million people held security clearances as of Oct. 1, 2012″

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-20/contractors-clearing-contractors-shows-u-s-secret-access-spike.html

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 06:47:05

the house of cards will end in tears for home-debtors.

 
Comment by homie don't play houses
2013-06-20 07:09:33

Reason # 762195 US Healthcare is f’ed up!
70% on prescriprtions?

Prescription Drugs: 7 Out Of 10 Americans Take At Least One, Study Finds

Comment by jose canusi
2013-06-20 07:16:51

medicated population. And people wonder why we don’t see more protests in the US.

Comment by In Colorado
2013-06-20 11:12:40

You assume they’re all taking mood altering meds.

 
 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-20 07:23:44

Wait, I thought health care was so expensive people were getting sick and dying because they couldn’t afford care. But now 70% are taking medication? So they’re too poor to afford the out of control drug prices yet everyone’s taking drugs, they can’t afford.

So they must be stealing the drugs?

Comment by homie don't play houses
2013-06-20 07:35:51

30% don’t take any because we can’t afford.

Comment by inchbyinch
2013-06-20 08:09:25

And some of us try and stay healthy and
overcome bad DNA issues.
A few of my friends think if they get depressed,
it’s un-natural. Others take pills for a lifestyle
decision. Put down the damn cheesecake and
take a walk.

This anti-depression by pill trend is absurd.
Life has ups and downs, get over it.

I bet most of the prescriptions are unnecessary.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2013-06-20 10:04:19

A lot of people get depressed when they have to stop buying things they don’t need and can’t afford. Not everyone can afford Tears of Joy therapy.

 
 
 
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-06-20 11:56:26

No, they are purchasing mandated health insurance through their employers. They can ill-afford it, but they have it nonetheless, so they use it.

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-20 13:05:01

Mandated health insurance from employers…on what planet?
The only mandate is coming next year thanks to Chicago Jesus. But as of now, there is no mandated purchase of plans.

You people truly live in an alternate universe.

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Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-06-20 13:50:52

I have never lived in a state that didn’t mandate employers to purchase health insurance for their employees. I have always lived in the USA.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-20 20:03:37

I don’t think you understand what he word mandate means. No employer is mandated to buy health insurance for an employee today. Many employers CHOOSE to do so. But mandate? No.

 
 
 
Comment by localandlord
2013-06-20 14:25:49

My meds cost all of $7 a month. Middle age will do that to ya.

I guess I’m spoiled by $4-10 generics because I had sticker shock purchasing Doxycyclene after a spotted tick attack*. $90!!! but preferable to lyme disease or spotted fever.

* that’s what I get for camping and hiking in Sloth-land. Truly a dangerous place. I’ve only seen brown ticks in Localand and they don’t travel in swarms. or maybe I sat on a nest.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-06-20 20:52:10

I’ve heard if you drink a fifth of whiskey a day, the ticks won’t bother you.

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Comment by michael
2013-06-20 07:58:29

it’s always about the money.

 
Comment by eastcoaster
2013-06-20 11:13:12

Yeah, but does that include people who are prescribed an antibiotic, take the dose, then are done?

Comment by Blue Skye
2013-06-20 11:48:46

They say anyone who drinks the tap water in most places is taking perscription drugs.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 17:56:46

Endocrine disruptors.

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Comment by oxide
2013-06-20 13:26:35

And that’s AFTER Prilosec went OTC. That was one of the most prescribed drugs in America.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I think I need to talk to my doctor about C!al*s.

 
 
Comment by michael
2013-06-20 07:30:40

buy the dip?

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 08:08:39

Housing Demand Continues to Collapse in Phoenix

http://picpaste.com/pics/8fe89664bf619311b27845537474482f.1371740848.png

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 08:26:10

…… and for todays headline from the most corrupt group in world history…..

NAR: May Existing Home Sales at Highest Level Since Late 2009

http://www.loansafe.org/nar-may-existing-home-sales-at-highest-level-since-late-2009

And here’s what we know about “NAR”.

“Realtors admit sales data bogus since 2007 - NYPOST.com”

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/even_home_sales_data_is_bogus_realtors_c7rYisUtwRRVxKNQiqyDgJ

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 08:32:52

Realtor states: “The NAR can no longer be trusted by us.”

“NAR Sales Data Continues to be Wrong”

http://www.therealestatebloggers.com/selling/nar-sales-data-continues-to-be-wrong/

NAR just cannot be trusted…. at all.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 08:37:31

“NAR Continues Tradition Of Making Mockery Of Itself”

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/nar-continues-tradition-making-mockery-itself-revises-december-home-sales-5-05

They lie about sales….. They lie about prices.

What won’t they lie about?

Realtors® are liars.

 
Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2013-06-20 08:59:07

Big economic shocks like this have a way of spooking people badly and making them hold off on large, unwieldy debt-loads. Like housing. Ouch.

Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2013-06-20 11:35:07

Analysis courtesy of ZeroHedge:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-20/what-recent-surge-rates-means-your-home-purchasing-power

…”So in one month, the average 30 year fixed rate mortgage has jumped by over 60 basis points. What does this mean for net purchasing power? Well, as the chart below shows, assuming a $2000/month budget to be spent on amortizing a mortgage (or otherwise spent for rent), it means that suddenly instead of being able to afford a $425K house, the average consumer can buy a $395K house.

This means that, all else equal, housing just sustained a 7% drop in the average equlibrium price based on what buyers can afford.

But assuming the current selloff in rates continues, things are going to get much worse: we may be seeing 5%, 5.5% even 6% and higher mortgages in the immediate future.

It also means that a buyer who could previously afford a $506K house with a $2,000 monthly budget at an interest rate of 2.5% will be able to afford only $316K if and when the average 30 Year fixed hits 6.5%: a 40% drop in affordability based on just a 4% increase in interest rates!”

 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 11:25:40

To house junkies, house debtors and house donkeys out there;

Setting aside losses to declining prices, what are you losses to depreciation over the past year?

(I’m going to help you with this one)

Proceed.

Comment by homie don't play houses
2013-06-20 13:12:34

What’s the difference amongst junkies, debtors and donkeys?

Comment by cactus
2013-06-20 13:33:05

What’s the difference amongst junkies, debtors and donkeys?”

Donkeys make cute animated characters in cartoon movies about Ogres .

junkies shoot herion and can’t hold jobs even in construction work

and Debtors are everywhere

 
 
 
Comment by cactus
2013-06-20 13:28:17

Homes prices up stock prices down. Same as early 2000 after the tech wreck.

“Home sales and prices continued to climb in May, according to an industry trade group report which raised the prospect of a new housing bubble unless there is a significant increase in home building.

“The home price growth is too fast, and only additional supply from new homebuilding can moderate future price growth,” said Lawrence Yun, the chief economist for the National Association of Realtors. He said there needs to be a 50% increase in home building.”

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 14:17:53

Wouldn’t an asset price crash serve to INFLATE the dollar?

Boehner blames Fed for market selloff in CNBC interview

June 20, 2013, 4:19 PM

House Speaker John Boehner has some harsh words for the Federal Reserve’s bond-buying program in an interview set to air Thursday afternoon on CNBC, telling the network’s Maria Bartiromo that the market’s selloff is a result of the central bank’s policies.

CNBC released a clip of the video, shown above, in advance.

The selloff is in large part due to the policies that we’ve had coming out of the Federal Reserve,” the Ohio Republican says. “You can’t continue to deflate our money and deflate it and deflate it [and] have the equity markets go up without some change.”

Comment by Rental Watch
2013-06-20 17:50:17

Yes. His point was was that the Fed was deflating the dollar, causing asset and equity prices to rise, and with the change (ie. QE infinity ending at some point), you see a reversal in those trends to some extent…asset and equity prices falling, and dollar reflating (somewhat).

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 16:55:42

What do you call the economic equivalent of an EF5 twister?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 16:59:11

Markets extend slide over Fed concerns, poor economic news from China
By Katerina Sokou, Updated: Thursday, June 20, 3:42 PM

The stock market plummeted on Thursday, posting its biggest one-day drop since 2011, rocked by investor concern that the Federal Reserve is getting closer to pulling back on its stimulus program and by poor economic news from China.

The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index tumbled 1,588 points, closing down 2.5 percent, its worst drop since November 2011. The benchmark index’s two-day loss was the biggest since November 2012, at 3.9 percent. The Dow Jones Industrial Average erased nearly 354 points, closing down 2.3 percent.

Equities and demand for government bonds continued to fall a day after the Federal Reserve said that it may begin phasing out its policy of buying $85 billion a month in bonds to grow the economy as early as September. Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke also indicated in a news conference Wednesday that the central bank could decide to end the stimulus program in mid-2014

The interest rate of 10-year U.S. Treasuries rose to a 22-month high of 2.47 percent, the the highest since Aug. 8, 2011, according to Bloomberg Bond Trader prices. The 30-year bond yield rose above 3.5 percent for the first time since September 2011, reaching 3.53 percent.

Katerina Sokou 4:39 PM ET
More business news

Existing-home sales, prices continue to surge

May figures are latest reflection of renewed strength in the housing market.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 17:01:32

This is why global markets are freaking out
By Neil Irwin and Katerina Sokou, Published: June 20, 2013 at 7:30 pm
Around the world, markets were frazzled by the latest out of the Fed. (Kin Cheung/AP)

A wave of selling washed across the financial world Thursday, driving the stock market down, interest rates up, and bringing new tremors of concern that the forces that have been propping up growth are starting to fade away.

The U.S. stock market closed Thursday down 2.5 percent following a 1.4 percent drop on Wednesday, but those moderate declines don’t capture the sense of fear that captured trading floors from Wall Street to London to Tokyo this week. The very underpinnings of a four-year bull market seemed to be coming unglued. An index of expected future market volatility soared 23 percent, to its highest level since the fiscal cliff standoff at the end of last year.

Markets are spooked, interest rates are on the rise across the globe, and a manufacturing survey hinted at new economic weakness in China. If those trends continue it could be enough to take the air out of a U.S. economic recovery that was just gaining momentum.

This isn’t a crisis like the ones that struck the United States starting in 2008 or Europe in 2010. Rather, it is a byproduct of the world’s central banks, having intervened on vast scale to deal with the economic travails of the last several years, introducing uncertainty and even a little chaos as they start to contemplate how and when the era of easy money might end.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 17:02:53

The financial market freakout, in five charts
By Neil Irwin, Published: June 20, 2013 at 11:21 am

Ben Bernanke and the Federal Reserve laid out a relatively clear vision of the future path of their policies Wednesday afternoon. Markets didn’t — and still don’t — like it one bit. Here’s the damage, in chart form.

The immediate trigger of the sell-off, which includes a 2.1 percent drop in the Standard & Poor’s 500 index as of about 3:00 p.m., was in part due to heightened expectations that the Fed will taper its $85 billion a month program of bond purchases starting this year and end it perhaps next summer. Another factor was a weak reading on the Chinese factory sector, which raised the prospect that the world’s second-largest economy could be slowing.

Here are five charts that show how different markets are being affected.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 18:10:40

Welfare for farmers but not Lucky Ducky didn’t fly.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 18:12:10

House Rejects Farm Bill as Food Stamp Cuts Prove Divisive
By RON NIXON
Published: June 20, 2013 12 Comments

WASHINGTON — The surprise defeat of the farm bill in the House on Thursday underscored the ideological divide between the more conservative, antispending Republican lawmakers and their leadership, who failed to garner sufficient votes from their caucus as well as from Democrats.

The vote against the bill, 234 to 195, comes a year after House leaders pulled the measure off the calendar because conservative lawmakers demanded deeper cuts in the food stamp program and Democrats objected. This year’s measure called for more significant cuts than the Senate bill, but it still did not go far enough to get a majority in the House to support an overhaul of the nation’s food and farm programs. Sixty-two Republicans, or more than a quarter of the caucus, voted with Democrats to defeat the bill.

The failure was a stinging defeat for Speaker John A. Boehner of Ohio, who continues to have trouble marshaling the Republican support he needs to pass major legislation. Without the solid backing of his party, Mr. Boehner has to rely on some Democratic support, which deserted him Thursday.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2013-06-20 18:21:26

I guess this hasn’t been posted nice to see rich folks doing well

Improving economy sends rents soaring in Greenwich, Westport

http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/realestate/article/Improving-economy-sends-rents-soaring-in-4597228.php

Comment by localandlord
2013-06-20 19:09:20

I noticed we haven’t heard any comments from RAL about rents decreasing lately. Maybe that’s why.

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-20 20:11:24

He’s too busy building houses for $50/sq ft including land to keep track of rents.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 20:14:47

I have a proposition for you Slithers. Right here publicly.

Why don’t you demonstrate for us what it costs YOU to build using a simple take-off. It’s not difficult. Especially considering you’re in the construction business.

Go ahead. Consider this the blogs challenge to you. Publicly.

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Comment by Patrick
2013-06-20 18:33:08

Credit. Yech !

I went to the car dealer with my son for his new car. They told him he would get a better deal if he financed it. And they did.

He put down 25% and just before getting the car put down another 25% and yet they still gave him his quoted price.

I sat with them on signing. I asked how many people put 50% down or more. Sales/documentation/finance guy says almost never. “how many pay cash?” NEVER ! What is the average down payment? About $500 ! (we were dealing with a $76m car).

How in the world can such lunacy persist ? Surely 100% of our economy isn’t financed -

BTW, it isn’t the salesman you have to worry about negotiating with. Watch the exit guy. He has more to sell than anybody and catches you quite unawares - who needs a perma shine, electro rust proofing, repair warranty when the car is covered for four years anyways !

Anyone for fogging a mirror ? Recession two will start soon in this theatre folks.

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-20 20:10:21

I bought a new fridge and new washer/dryer a couple of years ago. $4300 all in with tax. Store had a 0% for 12 months offer. I took it. Paid it off 1/12 of the total every month. A little while after that, same thing with new carpet. In this case it was 0.9% for 18 months. Took that offer as well.

You’d have to be a financial dolt to pay cash when you can finance for practically 0% (or in many cases actually 0%). This goes for cars, furniture, appliances, you name it.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2013-06-20 21:11:15

Does anyone have any repo statistics on all those cash for clunker new cars?

 
 
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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 20:25:17

“DC Rents Are Falling. Are House Prices Next?”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/01/11/dc-rents-are-falling-are-house-prices-next.html

HEEHAW! LOLZ

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 20:26:35

“The sky isn’t falling, but Brooklyn’s rent is”

http://brokelyn.com/the-sky-isnt-falling-but-brooklyns-rent-is/

Never trust a realtor. EVER.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-20 20:28:36

“RENTS FOR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES FLATTEN NATIONWIDE”
http://info.trulia.com/trulia-price-and-rent-monitors-mar-2013

In Las Vegas, Orange County, Los Angeles, Atlanta, and Phoenix, where investors have actively bought and rented out single-family homes, rents are either falling or flat.

 
 
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2013-06-20 20:35:20
 
 
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2013-06-20 20:44:40
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 22:47:55

Didn’t I just post here within the past few days that the U.S. stock market has the most margin debt backing it up in history, 1929 included?

I wonder how those leveraged investors are faring in this market downdraft…

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 23:07:25

Got global monetary tightening?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 23:09:54

Got wicked fast investor paradigm shift which nobody could have seen coming!?

ft dot com
June 20, 2013 4:35 pm
Fasten your seat belts for a turbulent QE exit
By Gillian Tett
Investors will be forced to shift mindsets and portfolios

A few weeks ago I had the pleasure of dining with two former luminaries of American economic policy. Unsurprisingly, the issue of quantitative easing provoked heated debate – not so much over the question of whether QE had been a correct policy to implement (they both backed its introduction), but whether the Federal Reserve could ever find a smooth exit.

The argument was illuminating, since it split along two lines. One of the dinner guests – who I shall call “Mr O”, or Optimist – argued that it was entirely possible for the Federal Reserve to achieve a smooth exit from QE. After all, he declared, the Fed did not necessarily need to actively do anything to find that exit, such as sell securities; instead, it merely needed to stop buying anything more. For if it duly sat on its hands, the two trillion-dollars worth of assets it has recently accumulated on its balance sheet would automatically roll off (ie come to maturity), enabling the Fed balance sheet to return to pre-crisis levels over the course of the next seven or eight years.

Or to use a memorable image, what the Fed is essentially now doing – in the eyes of Mr O – is akin to a pilot stealthily landing a plane: once it powers down the motors, gravity will take hold, putting the balance sheet on a steady downward glide path. “There will be plenty of time to adjust, and even if it’s a bit bumpy sometimes, that can be handled,” Mr O insisted. After all, Ben Bernanke, Fed chairman, has already told everyone well ahead of time to start fastening their seat belts to avoid any element of surprise. Hence this week’s statements.

So far, so reassuring, at least as an image. But there is catch. As we sat around the dinner table that night, another former Washington luminary – who I shall called Mr P, or Pessimist – was distinctly unconvinced. For Mr P’s own experience of sitting on the flight deck of America’s economy leaves him dubious about whether policy makers can ever deliver such smooth glide paths, particularly over seven years.

Never mind the fact that the proposed glide path, between now and 2021, say, would cut across two American election cycles (or four if you count the mid-terms too); and ignore the potential for geopolitical shocks (say Iran, North Korea or from the eurozone). Another risk is that other central banks could also be seeking their own descent paths at the same time as the Fed, creating additional turbulence. After all, G7 central banks have collectively put some $10,000bn of additional liquidity into the system since 2008, according to JPMorgan and Deutsche estimates. That means that there has been an unprecedented level of simultaneous monetary stimulus – and prospective future tightening.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 23:15:35

It’s bubble poppin’ time.

ft dot com
June 20, 2013 7:56 pm
Bernanke strikes to great effect
John Authers By John Authers

What exactly did he mean by that? A full trading day after Wednesday’s bulletin and press conference from the Federal Reserve, two things were evident. First, the remarks by Ben Bernanke came as a real surprise.

Second, the tightening of monetary policy after four years of unprecedented lenience is under way. Ten-year Treasury bond yields, bedrock of the global financial system, have touched 2.4 per cent, up a full percentage point from their low almost a year ago. That is a significant tightening, engineered by the Fed.

Why such a surprise? Look at inflation. An expert on Japan, Mr Bernanke is famously worried that deflation could endanger the economy. Yet he has driven long-term rates up at a point when US inflation is falling, as are inflation expectations, while China’s slowdown is pushing down commodity prices. This points towards easing, rather than talking the market into raising rates.

So why scare markets with an ambitious timetable to phase out all purchases of bonds – running at $85bn a month – by the middle of next year? The Fed may believe the US labour market – still lacklustre, with reductions in the unemployment rate largely attributable to falls in the numbers looking for work – is healthier than others think.

Another explanation, denied by Mr Bernanke in his press conference, is asset bubbles. The liquidity that the Fed has sent sluicing around the world has created froth, most blatantly in emerging markets. Fears were growing that the Fed would end its easing too late, giving time for asset prices to “melt up” into a bubble that could then burst.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-20 23:55:51

May Florida home sales surge
Jun. 20, 2013 10:07 PM

Single-family home sales across Florida rose 18.7 percent in May compared to a year earlier, Florida Realtors reported Thursday. The Realtors recorded closing 22,375 single-family home sales in May, the highest May total in Florida since 2005, when 24,523 sales were completed with the median price of $232,000.

Sales of existing single-family homes in Lee County in May increased by 9.3 percent compared to May 2012: up from 1,148 to 1,255, according to Realtor Association of Greater Fort Myers and the Beach statistics released today.

The median price of existing homes sold in Lee during May rose 25.1 percent to $176,333 from May 2012 when it was $141,000. Month to month, the median price declined 3.1 percent from $182,000 in April, the association’s report states.

In Collier County, single-family sales rose to 566 in May from 549 a year earlier, according to the Naples Area Board of Realtors.

The median price increased 25.6 percent, from $254,000 to $319,000.

The statistics cover only homes sold with the assistance of a Realtor.

Things were also looking up nationwide. U.S. sales of previously occupied homes surpassed the 5 million mark in May, the first time that’s happened in 3 ½ years. The gain shows the housing recovery is strengthening.

The National Association of Realtors said Thursday that home re-sales rose 4.2 percent in May to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 5.18 million. That’s up from April’s pace of 4.97 million.

Sales last exceeded 5 million in November 2009. During that month and October 2009, a home-buying tax credit briefly inflated the sales pace. Prior to that, sales hadn’t been above 5 million since July 2007.

 
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