June 23, 2013

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Comment by chilidoggg
2013-06-23 03:27:25

Comment by m2p
2013-06-22 14:48:39

Check out the WSJ article from 2007,

“of more than $2.5 trillion in subprime loans made since 2000 shows that as the number of subprime loans mushroomed, an increasing proportion of them went to people with credit scores high enough to often qualify for conventional loans with far better terms.
In 2005, the peak year of the subprime boom, the study says that borrowers with such credit scores got more than half — 55% — of all subprime mortgages that were ultimately packaged into securities for sale to investors,”

Subprime Debacle Traps Even Very Credit-Worthy

I appreciate the link. This was actually one of the better articles I had read before my original post. Likewise, it has too much information and incomplete analysis.

“plenty of people with seemingly good credit are also caught in the subprime trap.”

55% of subprime mortgages in 2005 were made to borrowers who “qualified” for a prime mortgage. That appears to be based soley on the borrower’s credit score.

“Above that score [620], borrowers may qualify for a conventional loan if other considerations are in their favor. Above 720, most borrowers would expect to usually qualify for conventional loans, unless they are seeking to spend more than they can afford, or don’t want to have to document their income or assets — or are steered to a subprime product.”

Furthermore, there is no breakdown as to how much of that 55% was to first-time home buyers and other buyers, including investors/speculators. Ditto with the 45% made to borrows with FICO scores below 620.

I know this has all been covered here before ad nauseam, but with Bubble 2.0 underway there is a lot of discussion and debate everywhere about “this time” vs “last time.”

Apparently I will have to follow Polly’s advice to dig into the academic studies and regulatory investigations to find out what percentage of subprime loans were made to first-time homebuyers who qualified for a prime loan for the same loan amount and the same payment.

Comment by Combotechie
2013-06-23 06:28:05

“plenty of people with seemingly good credit are also caught in the subprime trap.”

“Never underestimate the power of incentives.” - Charlie Munger

The incentive for a loan broker who makes his money on the backside of a loan is to stick the mark with the highest rate possible so he can resell the loan to somebody else for a maximum amount of profit. He essentially buys at wholesale prices and resells at retail prices.

If he were to try this with products that most everyone know the value of then he would probably starve. But very people know the value of the product he deals with - which are loans - so that gives him an edge. And with this edge he gets to make a lot of money doing very little work.

Thousands of loan brokers were circulating about a few years ago and everywhere they went they were making their pitchs. Thousands of loan brokers making pitches resulted in tens of thousands of marks falling for these pitches.

And so here we are.

Comment by StrawberryPickers
2013-06-23 07:58:32

This is all fine and dandy discussing unscrupulous loan brokers, of which there were many. But this is mostly being used as an excuse for those people who over-extended themselves with crappy loans that they knew they wouldn’t be able to pay ( if they spent even a minute considering it). They got a benefit from the crappy loans, whether it was being able to afford more house, being able to have a lower payment, whatever. The subprime problem was them not being able to afford the resets, which they should have been able to do if they were just stuck in a crappy loan when they could have afforded otherwise.

NAR and the rest of the crooked politicos and REIC players, including the media, want to push this bad broker meme to relieve the pressure on the bad buyers and moral hazard they are encouraging.

Sure there were many bad brokers who maybe sold tens of thousands of crappy loans to buyers who didn’t need subprime. This was not the reason for the bubble or the crash.

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-06-23 08:14:31

‘NAR and the rest of the crooked politicos and REIC players, including the media, want to push this bad broker meme to relieve the pressure on the bad buyers and moral hazard they are encouraging.’

To take it a little further, blaming everything on loans shifts attention from prices. See, it wasn’t that prices were too high, it was those pesky loans! As a matter of fact, prices can never be too high. It’s an undeniable economic blessing if houses cost more and more every year!

And if blaming stuff on brokers doesn’t work, let’s talk banksters! Holy cow, our housing market would be out of the atmosphere if those wall street banksters hadn’t screwed it all up. (Note to editor: Segue into the dire need for more government and regulation here).

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 08:22:09

You can’t get decoupling of prices from means to pay off the mortgages which enabled the purchases without mutual cooperation between lenders, loan officers and buyers. It also doesn’t hurt if the government develops programs to enable and encourage purchase loans at high multiples of incomes, and also ready in the wings to create “Save Our Homes” bailout and foreclosure relief programs when the housing boom turns to bust.

All told, it is hard to pinpoint exactly who was at fault in setting the stage for the housing bubble and bust.

 
Comment by StrawberryPickers
2013-06-23 08:44:49

Exactly. Prices too high and driven there by people who really couldn’t afford what they bought.

“Note to editor: Segue into the dire need for more government and regulation here”

Further segue into the need for more government money to prop up, spark, prime the pump, respike the punch owl ( punch bowl but I liked this autocorrect), ease lending standards, recapitalize, save the markets, etc.

Like most problems, this one is an easy fix. But it requires pain. Just make the banks keep most of there own loans and everything returns to where it should be.

Do our elitist masters know that we are now past the point of being able to implement a fix or would it just not be in their interests.

This whole economy is Nicholas Cage in Leaving Las Vegas drinking himself to death.

 
Comment by chilidoggg
2013-06-23 08:53:14

“The Whole Year Inn”

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 09:09:57

“blaming everything on loans shifts attention from prices.”

TOUCHDOWN

 
Comment by Neuromance
2013-06-23 10:44:46

We need a more modular, firewalled system. So that an implosion in one area does not affect other areas.

However, there’s big money in being able to gamble while backed by government (taxpayer) guarantees. Politicians win, as the subject is too abstruse for the general public (even voters perhaps?) and pols get cash funneled back from financial companies who profit handsomely. So there are powerful forces pushing for no firewalls no modularity.

I suspect the big players are all going to be clawing and competing to get as much as they can till the edge of system collapse. Can they stop 10 miles from the edge? 1 mile? 100 yards? 10 feet? Is this even a good analogy?

 
Comment by localandlord
2013-06-23 11:48:03

I believe if they had been quoted fixed rate fully amortizing loans the howmuchamonth crowd might have reconsidered their more bubbly purchases. They were flat out lied to by the mtg brokers - “you can always refinance”.

Historically bankers wouldn’t loan you money you couldn’t affort to pay back. That mindset lulled some unsophisticated buyers int complacency.

You might have seen some speculation (heck you see it now with the supposedly sophisticated hedge funds) but not as much.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-06-23 11:58:48

I suspect the big players are all going to be clawing and competing to get as much as they can till the edge of system collapse. Can they stop 10 miles from the edge? 1 mile? 100 yards? 10 feet? Is this even a good analogy?

I suspect they aren’t even trying to stop short…each individual thinks they can jump off before the vehicle they are driving goes over. Or they’ll just pop their golden chute and float away as the vehicle plummets.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-06-23 13:50:50

Just make the banks keep most of there own loans and everything returns to where it should be.

Sounds like we’re back to blaming the banksters.

 
Comment by StrawberryPickers
2013-06-23 16:10:46

I blame the banks, the government shills they own and the foolish buyers all. What I don’t want is anyone blaming any ONE of these and forgetting the rest.

Banks bought government to allow them to ratchet up the craziness. But huge amounts of people who had and still have no business buying or owning what they were allowed to buy provided a fertile field of suckers.

And this doesn’t even begin to get at the cash out refi crowd. I don’t care if they were lied to by the mortgage brokers or not. They all know they got free money and pissed it away and knew at some point they’d have to deal with getting something for nothing.

 
 
 
Comment by Wittbelle
2013-06-23 07:59:09

businessinsider dot com/sub-prime-mortgage-market-is-heating-up-2013-6

Comment by Wittbelle
2013-06-23 08:01:32

Demand for sub prime mortgage bonds is up because treasury yields are down.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 08:35:54

“…treasury yields are down…”

Really?

Treasury Yields Surge Most Since 2003 as Fed Previews Tapering
By Daniel Kruger & Cordell Eddings - Jun 21, 2013 9:00 PM PT

Treasury 10-year (USGG10YR) note yields climbed the most since the start of the Iraq war as investors fled U.S. debt after the Federal Reserve predicted economic growth will be strong enough to allow policy makers to stop buying bonds.

Yields on the benchmark security for everything from mortgages to corporate loans climbed to the highest level in 22 months after Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke said policy makers may begin slowing bond purchases under quantitative easing this year and end them in mid-2014. U.S. growth may reach 3.5 percent next year, they said. Thirty-year (USGG30YR) bond yields rose the most in a week since 2009. The U.S. will sell $99 billion in notes next week.

“Bernanke surprised the markets, and now there is a real expectation in the market that curtailment will begin at some point,” said Dan Heckman, fixed-income strategist at U.S. Bank Wealth Management, which manages $110 billion. “Unless growth turns very negative and inflation moves much lower, I don’t think the Fed will back away from the tapering viewpoint.”

The 10-year yield increased 40 basis points, or 0.40 percentage point, to 2.53 percent this week in New York, according to Bloomberg Bond Trader prices. It was the most since March 2003, when U.S. and allied forces began an offensive against Iraq. The yield touched 2.55 percent, the highest since August 2011. The price of the 1.75 percent note due in May 2023 plunged 3 13/32, or $34.06 per $1,000 face amount, to 93 6/32.

Thirty-year bond yields rose 28 basis points, the most since August 2009, to 3.58 percent. They reached 3.6 percent, the highest level since September 2011.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 09:23:11

“Demand for sub prime mortgage bonds is up”

LOLZ

 
Comment by Wittbelle
2013-06-23 09:32:14

Sorry, article said “low” not “down.” Just trying to summarize what the article said and misquoted it.

mobile.reuters dot com/article/idUSBRE9460CU20130507?irpc=932

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 11:37:33

‘Sorry, article said “low” not “down.” Just trying to summarize what the article said and misquoted it.’

Fair enough.

My reading of recent MSM articles suggests most financial journalists are clueless about the implications of the big spike in long-term interest rates since May 2nd for the mortgage market.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 08:06:32

Good luck trying to find an academic study which raises the issue I mentioned yesterday (and I thought you were suggesting as well), which is that the same household could have either qualified for a prime mortgage and lived in a smaller, less desirable home, or qualified for a subprime mortgage at a much higher home price to income ratio and lived high on the hog right up until foreclosure.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 08:24:51

It’s also worth noting that REIC money tends to support academic programs which publish papers on housing. So you wouldn’t really expect to find much research entertaining the possibility that REIC constituents were culpable for the housing debacle.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2013-06-23 15:22:37

I heard the old meme a few days “That you should buy as much house as you can afford.”

Yes, still even today.

 
 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-23 08:33:43

Between 2000 and 2007 I bought 2 houses. My fico was in the mid to high 700s. However I got an arm both times knowing full well I wouldn’t be in the house for more than the length of the fixed portion of the loan.

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-23 08:37:05

I’ve said numerous times before…getting a 30 year fixed loan is financially a bad idea given that virtually nobody stays in their house for 30 years. I don’t know how when or why 30 years became the magic number and why anything outside of FIXED 30 YEARS is seen as some sort of a scam.

If you live in a house for 5 years why in the world would you want to pay an extra 1% or more interest to lock in a rate for the 25 years after you sell the house? It’s insane,

Comment by chilidoggg
2013-06-23 08:51:03

An ARM may not necessarily be subprime product.

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Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-23 08:54:19

“An ARM may not necessarily be subprime product.”

In the context of the discussions here, it always seems to be thought of as one.

 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 08:56:10

Now Slithers…… Playing stoopid again?

15 and 30 year paper is to make the monthly more “affordable” because the transaction price is grossly inflated.

As one of our more eloquent and brilliant contributors recently stated;

“If you have to borrow for 15 or 30 years, it’s not affordable nor can you afford it.

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Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-23 09:00:16

““If you have to borrow for 15 or 30 years, it’s not affordable nor can you afford it.”

If you’d only share your secret with me of building $50/sq ft houses including land, I wouldn’t need a mortgage either. Come on man, I’m begging you, let me in on the secret. I swear I won’t tell anyone else.

At $50/sq ft including land I can build a 3000 k sq ft house on an acre for $150K. I can pay cash for that. How do I do it? And don’t say I have to buy the acre 250 miles from the nearest gas station, that doesn’t count.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 09:08:28

Really Slither?

Still running from our challenge too. What are you afraid of Slithers?

Go ahead and break out construction costs for a 3/2 ranch by division. We won’t even ask you to do a line item estimate.

Go.

 
 
Comment by rms
2013-06-23 13:12:38

“I’ve said numerous times before…getting a 30 year fixed loan is financially a bad idea given that virtually nobody stays in their house for 30 years.”

I bought modestly with a 30-yr fixed, and paid it off in 9-yrs.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 05:33:01

This is the final curtain. The last frame of the game where the pins(suckers) are all set up. Don’t be one. The scene is made to look innocuous, the threat obscured, the future so certain>/b> that every last sucker will be had. You can enter but you cannot leave.

What we really know for certain?

Those who bought houses from 1998-current(all underwater or will be very soon), and this new raft of debt-junkies getting sucked in and signing up for debt-enslavement are the foundation for the crushing weight of the coming collapse. After they are washed out and flushed from the system, a sound foundation will be cast made of dramatically lower and more affordable housing prices.

Beware of getting sucked into the housing machine. You will crushed by it.

Comment by azdude
2013-06-23 05:49:00

buy low sell high. Not everyone has lost money.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 05:55:09
Comment by azdude
2013-06-23 06:10:10

sheep are lining up in s cal for 1 million tract homes.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 06:14:40

Not really. Housing demand is cratering in CA too.

http://picpaste.com/pics/5f7b4966be24d20f5993bcb9f2a7d826.1371993239.png

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-06-23 06:32:33

’sheep are lining up in s cal for 1 million tract homes…buy low sell high…Not everyone has lost money’

I think I recognize your style. Do you write on bathroom walls a lot? Here’s one I saw once:

‘think for your self, all is not what it seems’

‘The Bay Area median peaked at $665,000 in June and July 2007, then dropped as low as $290,000 in March 2009 — a decline of $375,000, or 56.4 percent. In May the median was still 22.0 percent below the peak but it had made up about 61 percent of its peak-to-trough loss.’

‘Much of the median’s ups and downs can be attributed to shifts in the types of homes sold. When adjusting for these shifts, it appears that about three fourths of the 29.8 percent year-over-year rise in the May median sale price reflects an increase in home values, while the rest was market mix.’

‘Sales dipped nonetheless in Solano in May, with 629 homes sold, a decline of 11.8 percent from May 2012, when 713 homes sold locally. The same scenario played out in much of the rest of the region. Sales still are well below their year-ago levels’

http://www.thereporter.com/news/ci_23458731/home-prices-climb-bay-area-solano-county-most

‘It is important to understand that during these periods median price reflects both real changes in price, and a shift in the mix of properties being sold – from higher end homes to lower end homes, says Madeline Schnapp, director of economic research for PropertyRadar. The behavior of median prices in California over the past year provides a perfect example of how a shift in mix impacts median prices, she says. In May of 2012, California distressed property sales were 56.2 percent of total sales and the median price was $300,000. By May 2013, distressed property sales had fallen to 31.1 percent of total sales and the median price jumped 29.7 percent to $389,000, according to PropertyRadar’s figures.’

“The dramatic increase in California median prices over the past year begs the question of whether or not the price increase is real or an artifact of the change in mix of properties being sold,” says Ms. Schnapp.’

http://www.centralvalleybusinesstimes.com/stories/001/?ID=23645

 
Comment by Wittbelle
2013-06-23 08:12:56

There is no doubt that there is a “frenzy” in parts of So Cal and prices are going up. But supply is very low so it’s not necessarily an increase in demand but a shortage that is causing the increase in the amount (some) people are willing to pay for a house.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 08:16:34

“The dramatic increase in California median prices over the past year begs the question of whether or not the price increase is real or an artifact of the change in mix of properties being sold,” says Ms. Schnapp.’

I thought it was due to the all-cash hedge fund, Chinese and Canadian investors snapping up everything under $500K as investments with a plan to rent these out until they can flip them at a higher price.

This tornadic vacuuming of low-end inventory leaves only higher priced homes for investor purchase going forward, resulting in a rapidly escalating median.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 08:40:41

With 25 million excess, empty and defaulted houses in the US, 4 million of which are in California, there is plenty of “supply”.

Ask yourself this question and be prepared to respond as you will be asked by us;

Are you an agent of price fixing and housing crime or are you an agent of truth?

 
Comment by Wittbelle
2013-06-23 09:15:56

There may be supply but its not being made available to purchase. Banks are holding it back to do exactly what it’s doing. Creating a “frenzy” of bidding wars and filled to capacity open houses with several offers being written at the get go. That’s why these realtors are going door to door in my neighborhood asking if we know anyone who might want to sell their house. Not enough inventory available for purchase.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 09:37:29

Then you better get selling while a solvent exit is available to you.

 
Comment by Skroodle
2013-06-23 10:45:54
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 11:33:20

“There may be supply but its not being made available to purchase. Banks are holding it back to do exactly what it’s doing.”

Bingo.

And since real estate always goes up, these banks are wise to hold inventory off the market, as the longer they withhold it, the larger the capital gains they will realize upon eventually selling it.

 
Comment by azdude
2013-06-23 11:50:41

buying a house will get you out of the hole.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 14:05:50

Borrowing to pay for a rapidly depreciating asset at a massively inflated price puts you in a hole that you’ll never escape from.

 
Comment by azdude
2013-06-23 14:44:51

u should get of the basement this year.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 15:56:45

“Borrowing to pay for a rapidly depreciating asset at a massively inflated price puts you in a hole that you’ll never escape from.”

Ever.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-23 07:04:56

H.A. I still think 1997 price levels are the real value. Makes sense and we will return to them. Thugernment has only been postponing it.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 07:06:40

But that’s what thuggerment does best. Price Fix and call it inflation.

And I think you’re right on the calendar. 1997 was the final year before everything began inflating.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 08:28:55

FPSS (who has been MIA for months, BTW) frequently suggested that 1983 prices were the support level. I guess only time will tell if they eventually settle out at 1997, 1983 or some other level.

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-23 10:31:39

The thugernment/Fed is working hard to artificially keep RE prices high, stock prices high, and precious metals prices low. I bet with the Fed mostly since my assets are mostly stocks.

Betting with the Fed works…until it doesn’t work. Plenty of outside forces building up that are going to become too powerful for the Fed to stave off.

My company stock unrealized gain is nearly four times my investment. This is my biggest stock winning ever. Smart investors take money off the table and park it in cash then shift it gradually in the asset class people and pundits are beating up on.

Gold. Although I regard it as insurance, not investment.

When the Fed finally fails, and it will, gold will go up, house prices will go down, and stock prices will go crash!

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-23 10:42:05

Random thoughts.

Question is how come the Fed allowed gold to inflate for twelve years? Understand that gold was $860 on January 21 1980 and deflated to $252 twenty years later. I have bought gold in the 2000s because I figured the 1980 price of gold should be now about $2000. Perhaps it will fall to $500 and stay around that for another 20 years.

Now it seems the Fed is waging war on gold. The big drop in April was on the day 400 tons were sold. Lots of comments on who is behind that.

Recognize that credit expansion is continuing robustly. Eventually such expansion must turn into double digit inflation. Health care costs, insurance, education, food, are all up. But we “don’t have inflation.”

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Comment by Skroodle
2013-06-23 10:48:00

So the Obama is totally incompetent, yet Obama is able to secretly manipulate the price of gold?

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-23 11:21:01

Obama?

 
Comment by chilidoggg
2013-06-23 13:13:32

Someone sold 400 tons of gold? What’s the story there? This website speculates that just a little more than 300 tons of gold has ever been mined in history.

http://money.howstuffworks.com/question213.htm

 
Comment by Skroodle
2013-06-23 13:19:35

Or was it Clinton?

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-23 13:50:10

Chilidogg I think the 300 ton figure is too low.

400 sold in April. $20 billion worth.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-15/gold-crush-started-400-ton-friday-forced-sale-comex

 
Comment by chilidoggg
2013-06-23 15:28:05

Too many zeroes for me. It’s 300,000 tons.

That figure sounds high - one thousand tons of gold is mined each year?

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-23 16:44:53

400 tons is a huge number. Maybe Carlos Slim can sell that amount, but his fortune is not over $100 billion.

I am saying some central bank sold it off.

 
 
 
 
Comment by inchbyinch
2013-06-23 07:41:21

When we bought our 4,000 sq ft view McMansion In 1998 (So Ca), it was priced for the income stats at $400K. There was no bubble back then. Our home appreciate 3% a year, until the bubble got momentum and it skyrocketed. We sold after it peaked. I don’t know you are pre- 2002 on your schick? (HA)
We lived it. We walked away with a sizable profit, which allowed us to pay cash for this joint. We also had other savings.

You’re right post 2002, but not before. Although, some moments in time were a good time to jump in. Too many variables going on.
You have to pay to live somewhere, Case by case.

Comment by inchbyinch
2013-06-23 07:50:57

I don’t know WHY you are pre- 2002 on your schick? (HA)
Please elaborate on your reasoning?

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-06-23 08:07:11

‘When we bought our 4,000 sq ft view McMansion In 1998 (So Ca), it was priced for the income stats at $400K. There was no bubble back then’

When I moved to Austin TX in 1998, it was a raging bubble, and I doubt it started when I happened to move there.

I read the other day about housing bubble “prejudice”. The ability to see a bubble elsewhere but not in ones backyard. A 4,000 sq ft house? $400,000? Jeebus, you should get a ranch for that much money. Did it have a gold mine or something?

Most Californians can’t see a bubble until they are sitting on the curb with all their stuff in boxes around them.

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Comment by inchbyinch
2013-06-23 10:26:33

Ben
We sold 2,000 sq ft in 1998 for $250Kish (paying off a small mortgage)and doubled our sq ft for $400K. We bought the higher end of the market, and we’re really bring in the bacon.

We looked at used vs. new homes, and new was a much better deal. We got $30K in incentives. Then we nailed more $ off the house.

Interesting that our perspectives are so different. Maybe we’re just use to overpriced So Ca. A sh*tbox is $300K here.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 10:48:24

“Perspective”?

LOLZ

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-23 08:12:51

You ought to look at his Case Shiller graph link below. The 100 index is Around the year 2000. The long term trend line is around 1996 and prices barely just started leaving the trend in 1997. This is Case Shiller 75. Most bubbles undershoot the mean. The mean here being 100. I expect to go to 75. Added to that the demographics of boomers downsizing and so forth.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 08:31:32

I believe the choice to anchor the index to a value of 100 in 2000 was arbitrary and had nothing to do with “the mean.” For starters, the concept of “the mean” does not apply to a nonstationary (i.e. ever-increasing) time series.

 
 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-23 08:02:09

Congratulations!

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 08:46:08

When we bought our 4,000 sq ft view McMansion In 1998 (So Ca), it was priced for the income stats at $400K

So you got ripped off.

What did you pay for the rapidly depreciating dump you bought recently?

Comment by inchbyinch
2013-06-23 10:35:23

No offense, but you guys have no clue about the cost of living (and housing in So Ca) even with no bubble. Ask cactus how expensive east Ventura County is. He’s in a neighboring community.

Our current home reached $600K+ in the bubble and we paid a lot less. Maybe a 40%-45% haircut. Our business.

I’ve lived in So Ca since I was 4. I guess I just accept it. San Diego is insane as well.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 10:44:32

“Our business”

And when you continue to use it as an exhibit here, it becomes ours.

How much did you pay for your bubble shack?

 
 
 
 
Comment by localandlord
2013-06-23 17:41:17

If you bought a house with a 15 year loan in 1998 it would be paid off this year.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 19:40:04

You’re a real mathematician mimi.

 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 05:46:30

Case Shiller shows just how massively inflated housing prices still are. A 50% decline doesn’t even overshoot the trend.

http://picpaste.com/pics/5f50d4d110a37a97df019f2673e6f595.1371935125.jpg

Comment by azdude
2013-06-23 11:53:42

the govt wont let prices deflate and wipe out property tax revenue.

get over and go buy your debt shack.

Comment by inchbyinch
2013-06-23 15:10:30

Interesting that our supp tax bill took 9 months to get. We chased it and they finally mailed it. Just paid it.

And HA, I gave you a fair estimate of how much we paid.

What state do you reside in?

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 15:55:03

“I gave you a fair estimate of how much we paid.”

Donkey,

What did you pay /sq ft?

Easy question. Think you can handle it?

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Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2013-06-23 15:47:23

“the govt wont let…”?!? Please. Look around you and try to get a clue.Try this one, ‘the government can’t stop…’. If the omnicient government could have avoided all of this, then it never would have happened, right? If the government policies that we have been following for 6 years could have fixed it, then it would be over by now, right? If ever increasing housing prices, low credit standards, high rates of default/foreclosure, a negative savings rate and worsening national employment picture were all elements of a successful government master-plan, then I guess I could see your point and they could claim, “Mission Accomplished!”

 
 
 
Comment by snowgirl
2013-06-23 06:40:31

Found on the go RVing website: “You may qualify for a tax deduction because the interest on your RV loan is generally deductible as second-home mortgage interest.”

Because it’s every tax payer’s duty to make sure the wealthy can afford their second homes.

Comment by inchbyinch
2013-06-23 07:48:11

snowgirl
Thanks for the link. I don’t personally understand the RV thing. A lodge and a day hike suits me just fine. A second home is laughable. When I frolic, I don’t want to clean.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-23 08:06:26

Exactly. A second home means it will be vacant while you are in the first home. If the second home is a vacation home, then good luck trying to rent it out off season. You would have to charge low rent for being off season anyway. If you rent it out during vacation season, the second home is not yours to enjoy on vacation, so what’s the point? That becomes an investment, not a home.

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-23 09:06:20

Everything on HBB has to be black or white….shades of gray people,

You have a beach home. Season is 4-5 months. You rent use it 2-3 months, you rent it out the other 2-3 months.

You have a ski condo. Season is 4-5 months. You use it 4 or 5 weekends, you rent it out the rest of the time. I don’t know anyone who wants to ski every single day of the season.

If you play it right, you get a condo/vacation home that’s on a lake and within a short drive to a ski resort and then the entire year is

And so forth…..

And for some places there’s no real off-season. Take Orlando for example. There’s high and low season, but there’s no time when Disneyworld is closed. There will always be a demand for rentals. Same with the Caribbean, summer or winter, the beaches are packed with tourists and they will be renting vacation homes.

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Comment by nickpapageorgio
2013-06-23 09:32:11

How many non 3%ers can afford the carrying costs of three homes? I can understand the wealthy having those types of arrangements, but not your average middle to upper middle class folks, for them it would be financial suicide.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 10:03:27

Everything Slithers says on the HBB is always an exception. Never the truth.

Why is that Slither?

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-23 10:04:55

Still cost inefficient. Yes some people do ski all season. I was a downhill ski fanatic in my teens and early twenties and knew of people who would live in RVs at 7,000 foot elevation and work the chairlifts or restaurants for very low wage just to get midweek ski days.

In your scenario you rent out a place for three months and how do you expect that to cover your purchase cost in your lifetime? Plain foolish. And you then consume it for two months for yourself in high season so you get some sort of gain (emotionally plus financially) for a total of five months?

My late father was a real estate developer and explained the math to me years ago. Second homes are money drains.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 18:57:41

June 7, 2013, 6:01 a.m. EDT
Crazy Eddie fraudster says SEC can’t keep up
Corporate audits don’t work, give investors false sense of security
By Ronald D. Orol, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Securities regulators are overwhelmed by the volume of fraud and insider-trading violations and don’t have the resources to pursue criminals effectively.

So says Sam Antar, a felon and former chief financial officer of Crazy Eddie Inc., a well-known criminal enterprise from the 1980s that cost many people their life savings and was even featured on “Saturday Night Live.”

Antar, 56, now teaches FBI agents and Justice Department officials about white-collar crime and how to spot it. He spoke to MarketWatch about the economics of white-collar crime; why he thinks “audit” is a fraudulent term; and why short sellers, along with well-compensated whistleblowers, are best at ferreting out fraud.

Here’s what he had to say:

 
 
 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-23 08:45:43

” I don’t personally understand the RV thing.”

There’s also a lot of range in “RVing”. Personally I don’t get why people would spend $300K on a motorhome, but hey, it’s their money. I’m perfectly content with my little pop-up tent trailer that I bought used (with cash) for $5000.

Before kids came along, wife and I would go camping a lot. It was easy. Throw a few things in the car, get to the site, put up the tent. On we go. Now with kids, tent camping is a time consuming nightmare, getting everything set up and taken down. With the pop up, it’s all there, set up and set down is 15-20 minutes. Nothing to pack or unpack. And having a fridge is about 1000X more convenient than a cooler.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 08:48:58

$5k for a used popup? LOLZ

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Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-23 08:52:35

“$5k for a used popup? LOLZ”

It was $5000, it was 2 years old and the cost of a new one was $10,000.

I’m not an astute shopper like you. When someone can build houses for $50/sq ft including land, you can probably buy brand new pop ups for $1000 that cost mere mortals $10,000.

I wish you’d let me in on the secret.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 09:02:52

Really Slither?

15 pages of 2 year old StarCraft pop-up’s priced under $3k says you’re a serial misrepresenter.

Still running from our challenge too. What are you afraid of Slithers?

Go ahead and break out construction costs for a 3/2 ranch by division. We won’t even ask you to do a line item estimate.

Go.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-23 09:10:41

2 year old Starcraft pop ups at $3K? Well I suppose on Housing Analyst Planet anythng is possible. Here’s what reality on Earth is like…

Here’s what you get for $3K.
http://spokane.craigslist.org/rvs/3882293686.html
1996 pop-up $3000

http://spokane.craigslist.org/rvd/3886547243.html
1990 pop-up $2400

I’m starting to think you have some kind of dyslexia that works only with numbers where you se $10,000 as $100. It’s the only explanation. Or you’re bats**t insane. Either way…

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 09:15:20

Back to your cherry picking misrepresentations huh Slithers. We expect nothing less.

At least your links make u feel better about getting robbed blind.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-23 09:20:30

You are insane HA. That’s all there is to it. Have good day.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 09:25:18

Run Slithers. We expect nothing less.

And when you come back, be prepared to show us a take off for a 3/2 ranch.

 
Comment by Wittbelle
2013-06-23 09:37:20

Why does Ben continue to sponsor useless bickering?

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 09:39:53

Slithers has an interesting ruse doesn’t he?

 
 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-23 08:50:32

As for the tax break….you’ll all love this….it also applies to boats, if the boat can be “lived in”. If that’s the case, it qualifies as a “second home” and the interest of a loan can be deducted. Of course “lived in” is in the eye of the beholder but if it has a bathroom and an enclosed room it generally qualifies. I didn’t know this when I bought my boat. Had I known, I would have looked into financing it since my boat would qualify (port a potty and enclosed room big enough for two people to sleep in).

When I heard about this I thought, no way, this is some kind of trick/scam that’s not legit. But lo and behold, it’s a real, IRS approved, tax deduction.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

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Comment by Lemming with an innertube
2013-06-23 09:11:51

the “lure” of deducting interest on a “2nd home” of any type is laughable. if you’re going into debt to “buy” a “2nd home”, is it possible that you can’t afford it?

 
Comment by Lemming with an innertube
2013-06-23 09:14:22

and my comment was in general, i should have said “one” instead of “you” :)

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-23 09:16:55

“the “lure” of deducting interest on a “2nd home” of any type is laughable. if you’re going into debt to “buy” a “2nd home”, is it possible that you can’t afford it?”

This is the great fallacy by the HBB. If you borrow money it means you can’t afford the item.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-23 09:23:56

Speaking of boats, day’s forecast is 75 and sunny…..the family and I will be doing just that today….spending the day on the lake. Today is the IRONMAN Triathlon in Coeur D’Alene and it’s fun to watch the crazy people bike/run and cheer them on as the course winds its way around the lake. I was planning on going down there at 6:30am to watch the swimming start but when the alarm went off at 5am, I had second thoughts :)

 
Comment by Lemming with an innertube
2013-06-23 09:47:30

Today is the IRONMAN Triathlon in Coeur D’Alene and it’s fun to watch the crazy people bike/run and cheer them on as the course winds its way around the lake.

my son was stationed at Fairchild 4 years ago. on one of my visits, we took a drive to coeur d’alene. very beautiful place.

 
Comment by Overtaxed
2013-06-23 10:00:59

“As for the tax break….you’ll all love this….it also applies to boats, if the boat can be “lived in”. If that’s the case, it qualifies as a “second home” and the interest of a loan can be deducted.”

Yup. I deduct the interest on the loan for my boat. It’s a ridiculous situation; but, in some ways, no more insane that getting the tax break to buy a summer home. The tax break for mortgage interest is the problem, not that you can also apply it to other things.

I financed my boat because of the tax break; plain and simple. The interest rate on the boat (4.25%) is, after the tax advantage, IMHO, below the rate of inflation. Which makes that a very good deal for me. Boat still depreciates like crazy, but at least I’m paying it off with depreciated dollars.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 10:05:53

Why not just write a check and save yourself tens of thousands of dollars?

 
Comment by Overtaxed
2013-06-23 11:01:59

“Why not just write a check and save yourself tens of thousands of dollars?”

What do you think inflation is going to be 5 years from now? That’s the game your playing when borrowing money. I’m willing to bet that inflation will be over the 3% that I’m (effectively) borrowing money at. I’m willing to put it’s over that now.

If you think that inflation is going to be <3% for the next 10-30 years (whatever the loan term is) then, by all means, pay it off. If you think that inflation is going higher, then, you want a loan at 3% when (hopefully) in the future you can make 5%+ on your investments.

I recently sold all my muni bonds, but, before I did, had a 5% tax free yield to pay off a 4% tax advantaged loan. That’s a great deal, no matter how you look at it. ;)

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 14:01:35

Do you really believe wages are going to inflated at any time in the future?

Again….. you could have saved tens of thousands of dollars by writing a check.

 
Comment by Overtaxed
2013-06-23 16:40:37

“Again….. you could have saved tens of thousands of dollars by writing a check.”

Explain that one to me. Until recently, I had muni bonds yielding around 5.5% (HYD was my biggest holding) that paid tax free. My loans are mostly in the 4’s somewhere, and, importantly, tax deductible. Effective rate (for me) of around 3-3.5%. So, make 5, pay 3.5.

Today, your right, I could pay the loans down with cash and save money (I sold all the bonds in Q1 of this year). However, IMHO, it’s far more likely that inflation rises at some point in the future and bond yield rise further.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 08:39:07

Does it matter whether the RV purchase was funded out of mortgage loan principle?

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-06-23 09:19:26

You mean princiPAL? Sorry but that’s as big a pet peeve to me as ALOT and LOOSE/LOSE.

I’m not sure I get your question…how can it be funded out of a mortgage loan principal? Do you mean if you do a cash out and use that as a downpayment?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 09:56:09

“You mean princiPAL? Sorry but that’s as big a pet peeve to me as ALOT and LOOSE/LOSE.”

Sorry my misspelling offended Your Highness.

“I’m not sure I get your question…how can it be funded out of a mortgage loan principal? Do you mean if you do a cash out and use that as a downpayment?”

I have to assume that many clever home buyers figure out a way to take out a large enough mortgage loan to not only pay for their homes, but also to fund an RV purchase out of the princiPAL proceeds.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-23 07:26:15

“The US Housing Recovery Is A Mirage And A Serious Delinquency Crisis Is Coming”

http://www.businessinsider.com/keith-jurow-us-housing-recovery-mirage-2013-4#ixzz2X3821Eba

Comment by (Neo-) Jetfixr
2013-06-23 10:45:36

This guy sounds like you.. :)

He does stress the essential point. Any and all house sales numbers are meaningless/manipulated, as long as the banks and investors sit on “shadow inventory”.

 
 
Comment by non-conformist
2013-06-23 08:05:32

Down here homes are sitting just 79 days before selling! Unless you count the houses like the one next to me, a decent 3/2/2 CBS, hip roof house built in 2005 that has been sitting vacant and not on the market for as near as I can tell at least three years. It would have been a real nice house for some young couple with a kid or two had it been put on the market at a decent price. At least the same model down the road where the dude has been living for free for the last five or six years has been put on the market, maybe that young couple can overpay for that one.

I could go on and on with vacant house held off the market stories but I type slow and I have been bustin’ it like a 25 year old lately so I’m not going to.

County homes sitting less than 80 days before sale

by Kim Miller

Palm Beach County single-family homes are sitting just 79 days before selling, marking the fastest sales pace since before the housing crash and 15 percent quicker than last year.

The measure, which is a median, was 93 days in May 2012. At the worst of the downturn, homes were sitting for about 140 days, according to a new report from the Realtors Association of the Palm Beaches.

At the same time, sellers are getting 93 percent of their asking price, a 3 percent increase from last year.

Low inventory and investor purchases are part of the reason homes are going quicker. But with more sellers coming off the fence as prices rise, inventory is likely to rise and rein in the rapid price growth.

Wells Fargo economists said this week they maintain a “cautious view on the housing recovery.”

“We remain skeptical of the sustainability of recent price gains, as they are against relatively weak year-ago numbers and have been helped along by an influx of investor purchases,” a report released last week states. “Ultimately, a sustainable recovery in housing will require more homeowners, which implies a steady or rising homeownership rate. We are not there yet.”

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Comment by non-conformist
2013-06-23 08:40:07

Working starts to make me wonder where
Fruits of what I do are goin’
When he says in love and war all is fair
He’s got cards he ain’t showin’

Sunshine - Jonathan Edwards original song and lyrics - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScfUfsUlGro - 128k -

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 08:43:24

Was last week’s stock market move a mere glitch to be followed by a summer rally, or is the stage set now for a massive summer swoon, especially given that everyone has suddenly noticed the long-term Treasury bond crash that dates back to May 2nd?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 08:45:52

PERSONAL FINANCE
June 22, 2013, 8:26 p.m. ET
The Fed Signals a Slowdown; Traders Head for the Exits
By TOM LAURICELLA

The sharp selloff in the bond market is a wake-up call for investors. But in some cases, it’s also an opportunity.

Many bond market funds are now showing losses for the year: Yields have jumped sharply, and prices correspondingly have fallen, because the Federal Reserve seems increasingly likely to scale back its efforts to stimulate the economy.

But more broadly, sharp selloffs in higher-yielding investments have revealed where investors may have overpaid for those income streams. That was especially the case in high-dividend stocks, such as utilities, which many investors tend to view as havens. Also taking a big hit: yield-rich real-estate investment trusts.

This abrupt shift in recent weeks highlights the importance of having at least part of a portfolio positioned for rates making a sustained rise. That could include owning go-anywhere bond funds whose fate isn’t linked to rates staying low.

But at the same time, investors may have, in some cases, thrown out the baby with the bathwater. Some pros say corners of the market which took a hit are now attractive—such as high-yield bonds and energy-focused master limited partnerships.

The bond market selloff has been swift. Yields on the U.S. Treasury 10-year note, which move in the opposite direction of prices, have jumped from 1.6% in mid-May to 2.5%—their highest level in 15 months.

By historical standards, yields are still quite low, but the market move has been painful: Forexample, the $15 billion iShares Core Total U.S. Bond Market, which tracks the widely followed Barclays U.S. Aggregate Bond Index, is down 2.5% for the year, wiping out the 2.2% annual yield the fund offers, according to Morningstar.

Driving these moves has been a rethinking of the future course of Fed policy. With the U.S. economy showing moderate growth, Fed officials have suggested that they could pare back their $85 billion-a-month bond-buying program later this year.

Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke last week compared the potential scaling back of its easing to lifting a foot off the gas pedal of a car.

Yet it was more than enough to spook the bond and stock markets.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped 200 points in the immediate wake of Mr. Bernanke’s comments on Wednesday, shed another 350 points in Thursday’s rout but clawed back 40 points on Friday.

The Dow closed down 1.8% for the week. It is down 3.96% from its all-time high mark, set barely a month ago.

This sudden shift in the landscape offers several lessons to investors who have flocked both to bond funds and to other investments that closely track bond yields.

There’s a tendency among investors to think they can get out of their bond investments before the tide changes. But, says James Swanson, chief investment strategist at MFS Investment Management, “interest rates are notoriously hard to predict.”

Shawn Rubin, a financial adviser at Morgan Stanley, notes that because of the math of how bonds are priced, at low yield levels, “it doesn’t take a lot of interest-rate moves to wipe out returns.”

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 08:54:28

Jittery markets spurn Bernanke’s interest-rate gift
By Dan McSwain
5 p.m. June 22, 2013

A television screen on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange shows the news conference of Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, Wednesday, March 20, 2013. In a statement after a two-day meeting, the Fed stood by its plan to keep short-term rates at record lows at least until unemployment falls to 6.5 percent, as long as the inflation outlook remains mild. (AP Photo/Richard Drew) A television screen on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange shows the news conference of Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, Wednesday, March 20, 2013. In a statement after a two-day meeting, the Fed stood by its plan to keep short-term rates at record lows at least until unemployment falls to 6.5 percent, as long as the inflation outlook remains mild. (AP Photo/Richard Drew) — AP

Given the trauma of the Great Recession, it’s hard to blame investors who just don’t trust the stock market and its four-year streak of rising values. But the market’s tantrum directed at Ben Bernanke last week was overdone.

The S&P 500 fell nearly 4 percent in the 26 hours after the Federal Reserve chairman outlined the central bank’s timetable for merely beginning to taper off the massive monetary stimulus it began during the global financial panic way back in 2008.

Clearly, there will be some discomfort when the Fed eventually checks the U.S. economy into easy-money rehab. But Gentle Ben isn’t cutting anybody off cold turkey.

How did stock investors respond to Bernanke’s improved outlook for them? With a sell-off, although traders said that most of the selling came from hedge funds, automated trading systems and other fast-money speculators.

At times like these, I remind myself that markets are simply large herds of humans. Over the long term, they can be incredibly prescient and wise. But to the maelstrom of daily events, they more often react irrationally, in rough proportion to the fears, hopes, expectations and misinformation of the herd.

Conventional wisdom holds that markets peer far into the future. Indeed, just the firming prospect of a Fed rate hike has been accompanied by a market-driven increase: The 10-year Treasury traded at yields of 2.54 percent Friday, up from 1.66 percent May 1.

Because rising interest rates can dampen borrowing, and thus spending, then someday the economic growth that justifies today’s lofty stock valuations might slow.

In this school of thought, last week’s volatility was a rational response to the heightened risk of eventual slowdown after the Fed raises rates. But wouldn’t that far-off slowdown trigger the next round of Fed stimulus? Welcome to the funhouse mirror of trying to outguess the Fed, the economy or the markets.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-23 09:05:23

I think this week was like a 6.0 earthquake. Some damage, things fell off the shelf, maybe two people died. But overpasses are still intact even with new cracks and more weakness.

Things will return to upward stock prices for awhile. Starting? Don’t know. The next two or three weeks could be downers.

Regardless, in my case I have between 1,000 and 1,500 shares of my company stock I want to sell. I sell the batches that produce the smallest tax. My brokerage has an excellent ESPP sales calculator. I like selling the batches that have the highest cost basis. Unfortunately gotta wait to October 1 for that.

Hope to raise $30,000 cash to continue my stacking (gold).

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 09:45:44

The problem with 6.0 earthquakes is the aftershocks, especially if they turn out to be of even higher magnitude.

I’m not sure this often happens in geology, but I am pretty sure the metaphorical equivalent is commonplace in global financial markets.

 
Comment by sad panda
2013-06-23 09:57:47

Things will return to upward stock prices for awhile.

Why?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 10:05:43

Bulls never need justify their predictions for higher stock prices, as everyone knows the stock market always goes up.

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-23 10:14:01

See below. I am bullish in the short run but big stock market crash is within a few years, so few I would say imminent.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 11:23:39

“I am bullish in the short run but big stock market crash is within a few years, so few I would say imminent.”

In that case we are on the same page. I’d even venture to guess that we both have some cash on the sidelines to help mop up the floor after the big crash.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-23 14:03:11

I am trying to convince myself today to go ahead and sell 500 shares of my 7100 in staffing company stock tomorrow at opening to raise $13,000 more cash. The 500 batch is okay to sell tax wise.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-23 10:11:56

Stock market did not have enough time to price in the announcement of the fed’s intention of QE tapering (which I showed yesterday was doublespeak as they bought more than $54 billion in MBS last week.

When the stock markets realize Credit expansion is accelerating instead of decelerating, stock indices will proceed on their advances. It will be a few weeks.

In the end, the Feds policies are disastrous.

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Comment by sad panda
2013-06-23 10:21:18

I feel the same way. The central bankers have no choice but to continue QE. Don’t forget next yr is an election year.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 11:21:33

“When the stock markets realize Credit expansion is accelerating instead of decelerating, stock indices will proceed on their advances. It will be a few weeks.”

I believe you are once again misinterpreting the data. The hints earlier this spring of an eventual QE3 exit triggered a bond market selloff that started on May 2nd and continued, with acceleration, through last Friday. The Fed may well have been surprised by the vigor of this selloff, and responded by ‘leaning into the hurricane’ with a near-term ramping up of QE3.

This attempt to stop a correction from morphing into all-out collapse should not be confused with a long-term move to continue and ramp up the QE3 program.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-23 11:34:13

Good point regarding election year. That would favor equities. Not sure how long that “rule” would last. Stock indices are in their 52nd month of this artificial boom and remember it’s created by the Fed mostly.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-23 12:06:26

PBS I hope you are right, as you know I am betting with the Fed. I am very skeptical of any committee being able to achieve a soft landing in today’s economy of far more market-oriented nations than in 1980.

The Austrian economist in the link yesterday seems quite confident this renewed acceleration is a trend, rather than a one shot.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-23 12:07:52

I will retread his column, it is full of interesting info.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 09:20:44

Will the China credit crunch spill over into international financial markets, or does decoupling remain intact?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 09:22:33

A Chinese flag flies outside the People’s Bank of China headquarters in Beijing

China’s Credit Crunch Signals How Serious Beijing Is About Reform
By Dexter Roberts
June 21, 2013

So what to make of China’s June credit crunch, the worst in at least a decade, which saw interbank lending rates reach a new high? On June 20, the overnight repurchase rate set a record at 13.91 percent, before the People’s Bank of China, China’s central bank, injected funds, driving rates into their its biggest fall since 2007.

Despite spooking global markets and no doubt causing consternation among Chinese banks and borrowers, the whole episode is a positive sign for some. It shows China’s top leaders are still serious about broader economic restructuring and that they mean business when it comes to cleaning up some of the frothiness in the banking sector. It also shows Beijing is willing to hang tough even when things get a little scary.

“This actually played out much further than anyone expected,” says Leland R. Miller, president of China Beige Book International, which carries out a quarterly survey of the Chinese economy. “At the end of day they are not looking for their system to collapse. But the message is unmistakable—things are tightening, we want them tightened, and we are serious. The PBOC is saying: We are going to force banks to be more responsible.”

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 12:19:53

ASIA MARKETS
June 23, 2013, 12:09 p.m. ET
China Signals No Relief on Cash Squeeze
By TOM ORLIK

BEIJING—China’s government signaled little respite from the cash crunch that has afflicted its financial system since the beginning of June, suggesting tight conditions could continue to strain markets in the week ahead.

A commentary published Sunday by the official Xinhua news agency said there was no shortage of funds in China’s financial system. Rather, it said, a combination of speculation and nonbank forms of lending often called shadow finance were contributing to the surge in short-term lending rates.

“It’s not that there’s no money, it’s that the money is not in the right places,” the commentary said.

In a separate statement on Sunday, the People’s Bank of China’s Monetary Policy Committee made no direct reference to the surge in borrowing costs for banks and repeated commitments to maintaining a prudent monetary policy. Its repetition of boilerplate language on improving liquidity management and maintaining “steady and appropriate growth” of credit suggests China’s monetary-policy makers see little urgency in easing the current stress in the financial system. The statement followed the committee’s second-quarter meeting.

China’s interbank market—where banks lend each other money to meet their daily needs—has seen a surge in borrowing costs over the past two weeks. The benchmark seven-day repo rate closed at 11.6% Thursday before edging down on Friday. Surging rates have raised concerns about an overstretched financial sector and a growing mismatch between short-term liabilities and long-term assets in the banks.

The People’s Bank of China has ample means at its disposal to ease funding conditions. Its failure to do so has been interpreted by economists and market watchers as an attempt to shore up long-term financial stability by imposing market discipline on reckless lenders, even if that comes at the expense of short-term pain for the banks.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 09:34:38

How big would the bond losses be if Fed balance sheet losses were included in the figure?

Business News
Bond Losses of $1 Trillion if Yields Spike, BIS Says
Published: Sunday, 23 Jun 2013 | 10:54 AM ET

Bondholders in the United States alone would lose more than $1 trillion if yields leap, showing how urgent it is for governments to put their finances in order, the Bank for International Settlements said on Sunday.

The Basel-based BIS lambasted firms and households as well as the public sector for not making good use of the time bought by ultra-loose monetary policy, which it said had ended up creating new financial strains and delaying rather than encouraging necessary economic adjustments.

The BIS, a grouping of central banks, was one of the few organizations to foresee the global financial crisis that erupted in 2008.

Since then, government bond yields have sunk as investors seek a traditionally safe place to park funds, regulators tell banks to hold more bonds and central banks buy bonds as a means of pumping money into vulnerable economies.

The BIS said in its annual report that a rise in bond yields of 3 percentage points across the maturity spectrum would inflict losses on U.S. bond investors - excluding the Federal Reserve - of more than $1 trillion, or 8 percent of U.S. gross domestic product.

The potential loss of value in government debt as a share of GDP is at a record high for most advanced economies, ranging from about 15 percent to 35 percent in France, Italy, Japan and Britain.

“As foreign and domestic banks would be among those experiencing the losses, interest rate increases pose risks to the stability of the financial system if not executed with great care,” the BIS said.

“Clear central bank communication well in advance of any moves to tighten will be critical in this regard.”

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 09:41:48

Is it still “turtles all the way down” at this point?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 09:43:20

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June 23, 2013 3:33 pm
Central banks told to head for exit
By Claire Jones, Economics Reporter
money printing machine©De La Rue
Printing money: quantitative easing policies drawing to an end?

Central banks must head for the exit and stop trying to spur a global economic recovery, the organisation representing the world’s monetary authorities has warned following a week of market turbulence sparked by the US Federal Reserve’s signal that it would soon cut the pace of its bond buying.

The Basel-based Bank for International Settlements used its influential annual report to call on members to re-emphasise their focus on inflation and press governments to do more to spearhead a return to growth.

The report, presented to many of the world’s top central bankers in Basel for the BIS’s annual meeting at the weekend, follows last week’s sell-off in equities, bonds and commodities, fuelled by fears the Fed’s tapering would spark a fresh wave of turmoil in global financial markets. Ben Bernanke, the Fed chairman, said last Wednesday that the central bank could slow its $85bn monthly bond-buying programme this year and end it by mid-2014.

The BIS, often referred to as the central bankers’ bank, said the global economy was “past the height of the crisis” and that the goal of policy was “to return still-sluggish economies to strong and sustainable growth”.

It said cheap and plentiful central bank money had merely bought time, warning that more bond buying would retard the global economy’s return to health by delaying adjustments to governments’ and households’ balance sheets.

“Alas, central banks cannot do more without compounding the risks they have already created,” the BIS said, adding that delivering more “extraordinary” stimulus was “becoming increasingly perilous”.

How can central banks encourage those responsible for structural adjustment to implement those reforms? How can they avoid making the economy too dependent on monetary stimulus? When is the right time for them to pull back . . . [and] how can they avoid sparking a sharp rise in bond yields? It is time for monetary policy to begin answering these questions,” the report said.

Mario Draghi’s rallying cry, uttered last summer at the height of the eurozone turmoil, that the European Central Bank would do “whatever it takes” to preserve the currency bloc was now being misconstrued, it warned.

Can central banks now really do ‘whatever it takes’?” the BIS asked. “As each day goes by, it seems less and less likely. Central banks cannot repair the balance sheets of households and financial institutions. Central banks cannot ensure the sustainability of fiscal finances. And, most of all, central banks cannot enact the structural economic and financial reforms needed to return economies to the real growth paths.

Stephen Cecchetti, head of the BIS’s monetary and economic department, recently said that the initial rise in yields for US Treasuries following Mr Bernanke’s hints in May that the Fed would slow the pace of its asset purchases “should come as no surprise”.

Though he warned market volatility did “create risks”, Mr Cecchetti flagged that the reaction of stock markets to the hints had been far from disastrous. “A few months ago this would probably have set equity markets into free-fall, but this time stock prices seemed largely unaffected, suggesting that market participants are quite optimistic about the outlook for the US economy.”

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 09:47:49

Does draining a swamp destroy turtle habitat?

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 10:04:09

June 23, 2013, 9:15 a.m. EDT
After Fed signal, stock market turns focus to data
Some home builders due to report earnings in coming days
By Victor Reklaitis, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — In the children’s story about Goldilocks, the little girl with that name eventually runs away.

Given the Federal Reserve’s signal that it may scale back monetary stimulus later this year, perhaps the stock market’s demand for so-called “Goldilocks” economic reports also will go away.

That term has referred to data that aren’t too hot, but also aren’t too cold, just like the porridge that’s eaten up in the fairy tale. MarketWatch has used the term from time to time this year.

A bad economic report is obviously bad, but some strategists have warned that excessively positive reports would mean the Fed would start to wind down its stimulus measures.

Well, the Fed has now signaled clearly that it’s ready to do exactly that if the economic recovery remains on track as the central bank expects it to.

This week’s economic reports — which include durable goods, consumer confidence and new-home sales — will probably point to steady if lackluster growth. Read a preview of the week’s economic reports.

Bruce Bittles, chief market strategist for Robert W. Baird & Co., isn’t convinced the Fed actually will be able to cut back as soon as it expects on its $85 billion–per–month bond-purchase program.

Our feeling is that the Fed is not going to take their foot off the pedal, because the economy is not going to be able to reach escape velocity,” he told MarketWatch on Friday.

In addition, he said he thinks the Goldilocks concept was an illusion anyway, and that good news is always good news.

The coming week could provide more details about what the Fed was thinking with its latest policy decision. Fed officials have a bevy of speeches scheduled.

Dallas Fed President Richard Fisher, not a voting member of the Fed’s rate-policy committee, will speak on Monday. He’ll be followed by three Fed officials delivering speeches on Thursday, then four speaking on Friday.

The central bankers also could share what they think of the market reaction to their decision. The Dow Jones Industrial Average endured its worst two-day loss since 2011 after the Fed news, resulting in a weekly loss of 1.8%.

The S&P 500 shed 2.1% for the week, while the Nasdaq Composite dropped 1.9%. For all three stocks indexes, it was the fourth down week in five weeks. Discouraging news from China teamed up with the Fed news to wallop stocks, gold and other assets, while the 10-year Treasury yield jumped to 2.53%.

Home builder stocks and exchange-traded funds suffered especially big losses. They could recover this week, however, if a couple of earnings reports from that sector surpass expectations.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 10:08:33

June 23, 2013, 5:33 a.m. EDT
Economy won’t shift into higher gear soon
Latest evidence likely to point to steady if lackluster growth
By Jeffry Bartash, MarketWatch
Home prices and sales of new homes are expected to show mild gains in reports to be released in the coming week.

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Ben Bernanke’s Federal Reserve thinks the economy is going to shift into a higher gear over the next year, but don’t expect to find any evidence of burned rubber this week.

The latest batch of reports is likely to show the U.S. on cruise control in the right lane.

Mild gains are expected in housing and manufacturing and consumer spending in May probably advanced after reversing in April, according to the MarketWatch forecast.

The upshot: The economy is moving along at about a 2% pace, but it needs to zoom a lot faster to justify the Fed’s newfound optimism. The central bank sees U.S. growth accelerating from 2.3% to 2.6% in 2013 to 3.0% to 3.5% in 2014, marking the best spurt in nine years.

Economists say it will take several months to find out whether the Fed’s more-upbeat outlook is justified and they’ll look mainly at hiring for clues.

“If you don’t get more job creation and higher incomes, you are not going to see a big increase in consumer spending or economic growth,” said Joshua Shapiro, chief economist at MFR Inc.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 12:10:46

The same logic applies to gold versus bonds, except even moreso, as gold pays a dividend / coupon of 0%.

Stocks Have Lost A Major Advantage They Had Over Bonds
Sam Ro, provided by
Published 7:39 am, Sunday, June 23, 2013

For several months, at least some investors seeking income have fled the bond market and headed toward the stock market because stock dividend yields were higher than than bond coupon payments.

This was a considered a tailwind for the stock market.

However, with this week’s — and this month’s — sell-off in the bond market, prices have come down so much that bond yields are now higher than stock dividends.

Here’s BMO Capital’s Brian Belski:

One of the biggest advantages stocks have enjoyed lately has been relatively high dividend yields when compared with bonds. Based on our work, this has provided a significant boost to stock market performance. For instance, ever since the S&P 500 dividend yield consistently exceeded the 10-year Treasury yield (in this cycle), stocks have gained an average annual return of 24.1%. This compares with 18.2% for periods where the dividend yield was below the Treasury yield and 5.5% if you exclude the “rebound” year of 2009. Needless to say, the yield advantage has clearly provided a strong tailwind for market performance, and in our view, made the “re-allocation” decision for skittish investors a little easier. Unfortunately, recent higher rates have pushed the S&P 500 dividend yield back below the 10-year Treasury yield for the first time in almost a year and a half — a trend that is likely to continue given Fed posturing.

This is not to say stocks aren’t attractive on an absolute basis. However, the relative value offered by stocks over bonds has narrowed significantly.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 12:17:48

What To Do If Bonds Slump
Prepare for the inflation and rate hikes.
By Walid Petiri | Posted: 06-21-13 | 11:42 AM

The death of the 30-year bond bull market, often predicted, may finally be here. How do you prepare for that? Since bailing out of bonds altogether is unwise – they are good ballast for any portfolio – you can buy floating-rate notes, focus on short-term bonds or structure your bond holdings using a technique called a ladder.

For at least the last three years, we’ve heard about the coming end of the grand bond rally. Nothing can last forever. The bond bull market started in the early 1980s, after the Federal Reserve’s then-chairman, Paul Volcker, broke the back of inflation. The 1970s inflation was poison to bonds. As an antidote to the 2008 catastrophe, the Fed’s bond-buying stimulus program and its reduction of short-term interest rates to near zero percent kept the party going.

But for a while, legendary investors Jim Rogers and Bill Gross have each repeatedly called an end to the bond bull run. Now we can add a new prominent name to the list. Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas President Richard Fisher matter-of-factly stated June 5 after a speech in Toronto: “This is the end of a 30-year rally” and “At some point secular markets change.”

His downbeat comments come on the heels of May’s bond bust, one of the worst months for the 10-year Treasury since 1950. Thus far June isn’t good either. The 10-year started 2013 yielding a little over 1.8% and today is 2.4%. For bonds, that is a big increase. Bond prices, which move in the opposite direction from yields, tumbled.

Mutual fund flows may be anticipating bad times ahead for bonds. From the collapse of Lehman Brothers in September 2008 through 2012, investors poured $900 billion into bond funds – and yanked $410 billion from equity funds. So far this month, ending June 12, bond flows reversed course as investors removed $24.3 billion from bond funds; although it’s not a lot this, this could be a harbinger. How many current bondholders will keep their 10-year or even 30-year Treasuries until maturity, if rates are rising again?

While the stock market has had some shaky days of late, amid talk that the Fed stimulus may taper off, the Standard and Poor’s 500 is still up a heady 15% this year. It seems that almost all central bankers want you to buy stocks – from Japan to Europe they have historic level rates and are talking about potentially lower rates. If the stock bull market continues, why would people put their money into an investment returning slightly more than 2% annually for 10 years?

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-23 13:42:36

What happens when other nations dump their treasuries and take dollars? For every 1% increase in the rate, $170 billion is added to the deficit. Glut of treasuries go into the world market. It will avalanche and rates could then go up super fast. The Sorcerer’s apprentice would then ease much more to try to contain the rates would you think?

Or do you think deficits don’t matter? If deficits don’t matter and interest on the debt does not matter why not expand credit by $170 billion per month?

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-23 14:06:20

http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/Current/

That link is where you get info on the latest QE expansion. Straight from the horse’s mouth.

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Comment by rms
2013-06-23 14:27:30

“What happens when other nations dump their treasuries and take dollars?”

We remove our Patriot anti-missile batteries and reduce troop levels by 30% within 3-months.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 15:40:36

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June 23, 2013 7:18 pm
Quantitative easing: End of the line
By Robin Wigglesworth and Stefan Wagstyl
With the Fed eyeing an exit from loose monetary policy, emerging markets are coming under pressure

International investors have long shunned Honduras, an impoverished Central American country plagued by violence and coups. That changed this year.

Although Honduras struggles to pay its bills and suffers one of the world’s highest murder rates, it made a bond market debut in March, with investors happy to lend $500m for the next decade. Without the bond, the country could well have defaulted on domestic debts. In large part, Honduras can thank the US Federal Reserve for its unlikely salvation.

The Fed has been at the forefront of central banks seeking to stimulate economic recoveries through creating trillions of dollars to buy bonds and wrestle down global interest rates. Much of the new money has spilled into the developing world as investors have desperately sought better returns in new markets. This helped countries from Honduras to Rwanda gain access to international capital for the first time, and buoyed the bigger developing markets.

But Ben Bernanke, the Fed chairman, has reminded investors and borrowers of an inconvenient truth: the party cannot last forever. On May 22 Mr Bernanke told the US Congress that the Fed’s $85bn-a-month bond purchases could soon be reduced – a message he reiterated last week. His words have echoed across global financial markets but nowhere as loudly as in emerging economies.

The subsequent sell-off in currencies, stocks and bonds has been sharp, deep and indiscriminate. Investor favourites such as Mexico have suffered almost as much as less favoured countries. “We’ve been absolutely spanked,” says one hedge fund manager. Central banks have been forced to intervene to stem currency declines and officials have scrambled to reassure investors but to little avail. The currencies of Turkey and India slid to record lows last week, and emerging stock markets have fallen almost 15 per cent in a month.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 15:51:45

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June 23, 2013 6:14 pm
US Treasuries to feel more heat
By Michael Mackenzie in New York

The reeling US Treasury market faces further challenges this week that could push benchmark yields higher, placing equities and the housing sector under renewed pressure as investors prepare for the end of a bruising second quarter.

Trading across markets typically dries up as investors and banks prepare for the end of the quarter, potentially exacerbating downward moves in share prices and the sharp upward move in yields, which began when Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke indicated last Wednesday that the central bank was looking to ease some of its hefty stimulus.

Holders of US government bonds are already on course for their worst quarterly performance since late 2010, with the Barclays Treasury index sporting a loss of 2.179 per cent since the start of April.

David Ader, strategist at CRT Capital, said that a busy week of economic data, speeches from Fed officials and debt auctions “presents an awful lot of opportunities for the market to be volatile”. Ahead of the quarter ending, he added: “We would expect liquidity to be relatively thin given the balance sheet constraints and directive of management to go easy at this juncture.”

Dealers will underwrite $99bn of new Treasury debt spread across the two, five and seven-year sectors in what shapes as a test of investor appetite for government paper.

As the benchmark for US capital markets, the 10-year Treasury yield, which moves inversely to bond prices, has been at the forefront of the sell-off with yields surging more than 40 basis points above 2.50 per cent last week. That was a 22-month peak and its fastest climb in such a small period of time in more than a decade.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 16:05:08

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June 21, 2013 5:51 pm
Unwinding the world’s biggest economic experiment
By Gavyn Davies
When the Fed does change direction, tightening often comes in a rapid series of interest rate rises

The Marriner S. Eccles Federal Reserve building stands in Washington, DC, US©Bloomberg

Flight path unknown: The return of market turbulence is a taste of what could come if the Feb halts stimulus moves

On Wednesday, the chairman of the Federal Reserve announced that the greatest experiment in the history of central banking might be nearing its end. Ben Bernanke’s announcement included many caveats, but the financial markets did not miss the message. Since 2009, the central bank has been buying financial assets – US Treasury bonds and some types of corporate debt – paid for by an expansion of the monetary base (so-called “printing money”). This kept interest rates low, which damaged savers but helped indebted businesses and households. It has also been the major prop for financial markets. Within about a year, if the Fed’s plans come to fruition, the US government deficit will need to be financed from private sector savings – not by the central bank. Asset markets will be left to fend for themselves as the biggest buyer withdraws from the arena.

That is why some hedge funds sold off bonds this week, causing a big drop in their prices – the flipside of which is a rise in borrowing costs (or “yields”). Mr Bernanke has expressed consternation that adjustments to the path for the Fed’s balance sheet, such as the one he announced this week, can have such a profound effect on the bond market. But investors are making logical inferences from central bank behaviour. The Fed does not change direction often. When it does, tightening often comes in a rapid series of interest rate rises that are not fully anticipated by investors.

Furthermore, when the Fed was supporting markets, investors had to seek out new sources of income to replace declining interest receipts on their government bond holdings. In this so-called “reach for yield”, some of them leveraged themselves up to buy into emerging markets and bond funds – positions they are now dropping sharply. It is impossible to be sure where deleveraging will end.

The last big unwind – a much smaller one – started almost exactly a decade ago. On June 25, 2003 the Federal Open Market Committee met amid expectations of a cut in the interest rate from 1.25 per cent to 0.75 per cent. Vincent Reinhart, the committee secretary, opened the meeting with some gallows humour. “On Friday”, he said “I was in line with my 11-year-old son to purchase Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix . . . It is somewhat longer than the briefing papers the committee has received. But it, too, considers an alternative world filled with uncertainty and great perils”.

Alan Greenspan was chief wizard at the Fed that day. Mr Bernanke, more radical than he is now, was there, but mostly stayed silent. The committee was fully aware of the dangers ahead when it decided to cut the federal funds rate by only 0.25 percentage points. The market concluded that the Fed was preparing to tighten policy sooner than expected, and sharply adjusted expectations for where it thought rates would be in the years ahead. The same thing happened this week.

The previous big Fed exit, announced on February 4, 1994, was even more dramatic. It was a day that triggered such turbulence that it is etched in the memory of all bond traders. Working as a Goldman Sachs economist, I was on the bond trading floor when the Fed released an innocuous-sounding statement. The FOMC had decided “to increase slightly the degree of pressure on reserve positions . . . which is expected to be associated with a small increase in short-term money- market interest rates”. Pardon? After a few moments, there was an explosion of noise as realisation set in.

The market was unprepared for the Fed change, Investors were over-leveraged and knee-deep in Mexican debt and mortgages. Equities emerged relatively unscathed. But before the bloodbath ended that November, the survival of the US investment banks was at stake.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 17:14:34

“Next, these central banks began expanding their balance sheets, which are now collectively at roughly three times their pre-crisis level – and rising.”

What is the limit on how much central banks can expand their balance sheets relative to pre-crisis levels?

- Five times?

- Ten times?

- No limit?!

BIS Says Party Over for Quantitative Easing
Submitted by Robert Oak on June 23, 2013 - 5:46pm

The Bank for International Settlements has demanded Central Banks stop their quantitative easing in hopes of a global economic recovery. All that has happened is a stock market love affair while the real economy languishes. BIS has issued their annual report demanding nations deleverage, which is codespeak for austerity. The Bank fo International Settlements is the bank of the central banks, so these ultimatums to their 58 Central Bank members are significant. The BIS demand is clear, quit quantitative easing, adding to balance sheets and issuing zero interest rates and get back to layoffs, downsizing and austerity. Those are the BIS marching orders to their members as their annual report implies Central Banks are simply staving off the inevitable with unforeseen financial consequences.

Six years ago, in mid-2007, cracks started to appear in the financial system. Little more than a year later, Lehman Brothers failed, bringing advanced economies to the verge of collapse. Throughout the ensuing half-decade of recession and slow recovery, central banks in these economies have been forced to look for ways to increase their degree of accommodation. First they lowered the policy rate to essentially zero, where it has been ever since in the United States, United Kingdom and euro area. (And where it has stood in Japan since the mid-1990s!) Next, these central banks began expanding their balance sheets, which are now collectively at roughly three times their pre-crisis level – and rising.

Originally forged as a description of central bank actions to prevent financial collapse, the phrase “whatever it takes” has become a rallying cry for central banks to continue their extraordinary actions. But we are past the height of the crisis, and the goal of policy has changed – to return still-sluggish economies to strong and sustainable growth. Can central banks now really do “whatever it takes” to achieve that goal? As each day goes by, it seems less and less likely. Central banks cannot repair the balance sheets of households and financial institutions. Central banks cannot ensure the sustainability of fiscal finances. And, most of all, central banks cannot enact the structural economic and financial reforms needed to return economies to the real growth paths authorities and their publics both want and expect.

What central bank accommodation has done during the recovery is to borrow time – time for balance sheet repair, time for fiscal consolidation, and time for reforms to restore productivity growth. But the time has not been well used, as continued low interest rates and unconventional policies have made it easy for the private sector to postpone deleveraging, easy for the government to finance deficits, and easy for the authorities to delay needed reforms in the real economy and in the financial system. After all, cheap money makes it easier to borrow than to save, easier to spend than to tax, easier to remain the same than to change.

Yes, in some countries the household sector has made headway with the gruelling task of deleveraging. Some financial institutions are better capitalised. Some fiscal authorities have begun painful but essential consolidation. And yes, much of the difficult work of financial reform has been completed. But overall, progress has been slow, halting and uneven across countries. Households and firms continue to hope that if they wait, asset values and revenues will rise and their balance sheets improve. Governments hope that if they wait, the economy will grow, driving down the ratio of debt to GDP. And politicians hope that if they wait, incomes and profits will start to grow again, making the reform of labour and product markets less urgent. But waiting will not make things any easier, particularly as public support and patience erode.

Alas, central banks cannot do more without compounding the risks they have already created. Instead, they must re-emphasise their traditional focus – albeit expanded to include financial stability – and thereby encourage needed adjustments rather than retard them with near-zero interest rates and purchases of ever larger quantities of government securities. And they must urge authorities to speed up reforms in labour and product markets, reforms that will enhance productivity and encourage employment growth rather than provide the false comfort that it will be easier later.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-06-23 18:23:10

The BIS demand is clear, quit quantitative easing, adding to balance sheets and issuing zero interest rates and get back to layoffs, downsizing and austerity.

Oh, is that really clear? Sounds to me like the BIS is saying that easy money has done all it can, and now it’s time for structural reforms, but not necessarily involving what we think of as “austerity”- ie having everyone but the rich bend over and grab their ankles.

Structural reforms can just as well involve a return to Keynesian economics. They sure worked better than trickle-down economic, which is really what the Austerians are calling for a continuation of.

You note in all their belt-tightening rhetoric, they never call for the rich to pay more.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 18:01:56

How to protect your pension from a bond market crash
The price of fixed-interest investments such as bonds and gilts affects the value of your pension fund.
Piggy bank cartoon
The price of fixed-interest investments such as bonds and gilts affects the value of your pension fund Photo: HOWARD McWILLIAM
By Emma Wall
2:23PM BST 21 Jun 2013

It won’t just be investors with money in corporate bond funds who will be affected if there is a serious shake-out in the bond market. The price of fixed-interest investments such as bonds and gilts affects the value of your pension fund, the level at which you can fix your retirement income and how many so-called “cautious” funds perform. We look at the options for insulating your finances from a burst bond bubble.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 18:54:28

June 20, 2013, 8:39 a.m. EDT
The Fed is wrong
By Michael A. Gayed

I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells.

—Dr. Seuss

Let me make this very clear — I am not an “end the Fed” kind of guy. Many have valid reasons to criticize the Fed and its policies, and many correctly defend the Fed for trying to fight an impossible battle against deflation. To me, the biggest error and criticism one can make about the Fed can be summed up in a single word: underestimation.

Bernanke, to the surprise of nearly everyone, stood his ground on the idea that tapering could begin later this year. The news sent stocks and bonds tumbling sharply. Emerging-market equities got wrecked, and there seemingly was no where to hide except shorter-duration bonds which held up considerably better.

Between the NSA spying on foreign citizens, and the evisceration of their stock markets by Bernanke, I get the sense the U.S. isn’t going to be feeling the love overseas any time soon.

But I believe concerns over an end to quantitative easing (QE) are overblown. Fear over its end will likely soon be replaced by fear of deflation, which remains, once again, precisely what the Fed has underestimated.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 22:14:34

June 24, 2013, 12:23 a.m. EDT
Dollar marches higher against other majors
By Michael Kitchen, MarketWatch

LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch) — The U.S. dollar extended its winning streak Monday, notching gains against all of its largest rivals as investors piled back into the greenback.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 08:51:35

I find articles like this one quite moronic, for ignoring the role of the Fed’s interest rate suppression policies in creating a pension crisis. Naturally a combination of normal operating costs with abysmal investment returns is going to create a crisis situation.

Pension costs: Pushing cities to fiscal disaster
By Chuck Reed & Miguel Pulido 6 a.m.June 22, 2013

The skyrocketing cost of public employee retirement benefits is one of the greatest challenges facing cities and other government agencies across California today. Annual taxpayer contributions to CalPERS, the state’s main retirement system, have jumped from about $2 billion to nearly $8 billion over the past decade. Many non-CalPERS agencies have seen similar retirement cost increases as well.

Despite these rising contributions, the state’s retirement systems are significantly underfunded, with their collective unfunded liabilities for pension and retiree health care benefits totaling hundreds of billions of dollars.

That’s why, four years ago, then-CalPERS Chief Actuary Ron Seeling declared that the cost of public employee retirement benefits was “unsustainable.” And without reform, these unsustainable benefits threaten to push more cities, counties and other public agencies into insolvency.

This is a problem that all Californians should care about. It is draining money away from core public services. It is increasing pressure for new taxes and steeper borrowing. It is preventing much-needed investments in infrastructure. And it threatens to leave our children and grandchildren with an enormous debt that they won’t be able to afford.

For example, when state spending on retirement benefits increases, it squeezes out funding for important services like education. The state’s retirement system for teachers, CalSTRS, recently stated it needs another $4.5 billion annually to reach full funding in 30 years. That will leave fewer dollars available for K-12 education, which has already seen funding decline by 12 percent over the last five years.

The impacts are even more apparent at the local level where personnel costs make up a large portion of the budget:

• In San Jose, our annual retirement contribution more than tripled over the past decade and now consumes more than 20 percent of the city’s entire general fund. These increased costs have forced us to lay off police officers and firefighters, close libraries and community centers, and watch our streets deteriorate year after year. We eliminated about 2,000 positions from our city workforce.

• In Santa Ana, the annual retirement contribution more than doubled over the past decade and CalPERS is currently projecting that the city’s pension rates will double again within the next six to seven years. These higher pension costs have been a contributing factor in Santa Ana having to reduce its full-time workforce by 41 percent over the past six years. While the city has been able to mitigate some of the increase through a cooperative effort with its unions — employees currently contribute beyond the standard 8 percent employee share — meaningful reforms to reduce current benefit levels and obligations in the near term are needed to protect Santa Ana’s ability to maintain services.

• A few cities have already been pushed into insolvency. In just the past year, San Bernardino and Stockton filed for bankruptcy, with unfunded retirement liabilities among their largest debt obligations.

Some cities have been able to absorb increased retirement costs without much impact to services, while others have benefitted from accounting gimmicks that push costs far out into the future.

Comment by Skroodle
2013-06-23 10:53:34

Inflation can cure everything.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 11:25:06

No. Inflation would send lots of retirees to the dog food section of the local supermarket in search of their next meal.

Comment by Skroodle
2013-06-23 13:22:22

Problem solved.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 08:56:22

Is the foreclosure crisis history at this point?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 09:02:10

Foreclosures fall to nearly 7-year low
By Lily Leung12:28 p.m.June 18, 2013

San Diego County foreclosures have plummeted to a nearly seven-low year — in light of rising home values, the effects of government intervention and new protections for California consumers, said real estate tracker DataQuick on Tuesday.

A total of 175 trustee deeds, which signal a foreclosure, were recorded countywide in May. That’s the lowest level since September 2006, when 172 homes were foreclosed upon and the local housing market began to see troubling declines in prices and sales.

“We’ve pretty much gone back to normalcy in foreclosures,” said Alan Nevin, a housing analyst with the London Group in downtown San Diego.

The most obvious reason for the foreclosure drop is that notices of default, the first step in the foreclosure process, also have fallen drastically. A total of 642 default notices were filed in May, down 52 percent from a year ago.

That figure tends to be sporadic month-to-month, due to sudden hikes or drops in filings from major mortgage servicers, Nevin said. Still, defaults have generally been trending down. May’s total is about 28 percent lower than the one-year average of 887, DataQuick numbers show.

How did we get here?

A mix of factors — from an improving housing market to multibillion-dollar mortgage settlements — have played roles in cutting real estate distress throughout the county, said DataQuick analyst Andrew LePage.

The median price for a home sold in May rose past the $400,000 mark, the first time in five-plus years. May also marked the ninth straight month of double-digit annual gains in prices. That has been instrumental in lifting homeowners out of negative equity, especially those on the brink of defaulting on their mortgages, LePage said.

Those market dynamics give more hope to consumers, who now have “far greater incentive to hang on” to their properties, he added.

Troubled homeowners in the past year also have had more access to foreclosure alternatives through government settlements with major banks accused of foreclosure abuses.

Those deals required companies such as Bank of America, Wells Fargo and Chase to provide more homeowner aid. That help has included loan modifications, principal reductions and short sales, deals that let homeowners sell their homes for less than what they owe on their loans.

Also helping consumers are new protections, nicknamed the Homeowner Bill of Rights, which went into effect in California at the start of the year. A key feature of that set of laws prevents banks from starting the foreclosure process while a loan modification has been submitted or being reviewed by the bank, also called dual process.

San Diego’s housing comeback has come quicker than expected, Nevin said, because the county didn’t overbuild like other major metros including Phoenix and Las Vegas, where the foreclosure issue was more severe and prices have taken longer to recover.

Also, foreclosed properties in San Diego County did not remain on the market long because investors, many of them seasoned, snapped them up, Nevin said.

Discussion of a “shadow inventory,” a buzz term describing a spate of homes on the brink of default, has waned among real estate experts and in news reports. Fears of an imminent foreclosure wave, one that has been predicted for years, are over, Nevin said.

“We’re pretty much over it,” Nevin said. “Once again, it isn’t uniform across the United States, but in coastal California all the way up to Seattle, there is no hidden inventory of foreclosures.”

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 09:04:23

PERSONAL FINANCE
Updated June 22, 2013, 8:57 p.m. ET
Foreclosures Are Still a Concern

The housing market is recovering in many regions, but new research suggests there’s still some cause for concern: Foreclosures are on the rise again.

“The foreclosure problem was not resolved; it was simply delayed,” says Daren Blomquist, vice president at RealtyTrac. He expects this to continue until the banks catch up with the backlog of delayed foreclosures. Banks are repossessing more homes precisely because higher prices are making it easier for them to unload the properties, he says, “but the recovery has strengthened most local markets enough to quickly shake off a few more blows from these nagging foreclosures.”

In May, one in 885 homes in the U.S. had a foreclosure filing, says RealtyTrac. Here are four states with the highest foreclosure rates.

Florida: 1 in 302. Florida had the highest foreclosure rate in the U.S. in May, rising 20% from the previous month and 12% from a year earlier.

Nevada: 1 in 305. After 27 consecutive months of annual decreases, foreclosures rose 18% on the month, but were up just 1.4% on the year.

Ohio: 1 in 584. Foreclosures actually fell 27% in May from the previous month, and 15% from a year earlier. Bank repossessions, on the other hand, were up 7% from a year ago, and rose for the ninth consecutive month.

Maryland: 1 in 587. Maryland foreclosure activity increased 11% in May and was up 134% from a year ago.
—Quentin Fottrell
MarketWatch.com

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 09:14:04
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 09:12:00

Given that Ohio was not exactly a Housing Bubble Ground Zero while California was, does anyone besides me find it peculiar that California’s foreclosure crisis has ended while Ohio’s remains on the boil, especially in light of California’s still-elevated unemployment rate?

Ohio foreclosures still a major problem

Thirty-five of Ohio’s 88 counties, including Huron County, reported more foreclosures in 2012 than in 2011.
Scott Seitz
Jun 22, 2013

The number of foreclosure filings in Ohio dropped in 2012, but one research group says foreclosures remain a major problem.

Ohio had 70,469 new properties enter foreclosure in 2012, down 1.5 percent from 2011 and 17.6 percent from the number of cases brought against property owners in 2010, according to Supreme Court of Ohio statistics.

Foreclosure filings in Ohio peaked at 89,061 in 2009.

Statewide foreclosure filings increased 14 consecutive years through 2009 before dropping in 2010, according to Court News Ohio, a court system news service.

However, the foreclosure rate is still four times what it was in 1995, according to analysis by the group Policy Matters Ohio. Policy Matters is a nonprofit, nonpartisan research institute with offices in Cleveland and Columbus. The nonprofit studies public policy issues.

“The economy cannot recover with 70,000 new foreclosure filings a year,” said David Rothstein, Policy Matters project director for asset building, and author of the group’s annual foreclosure report “Housing Insecurity” released in May.

“It’s so divided by zip code and area by where things are getting better and things are staying the same,” Rothstein said.

Thirty-five of Ohio’s 88 counties reported more foreclosures in 2012 than in 2011, Court News Ohio said.

In Huron County, Clerk of Courts Susan Hazel said recently she is hopeful things will get better.

“I’m hoping we’re improving at this point,” Hazel said. “So far at the start of this year, we’re getting a little bit better, but in our area, it will be a slow change. I’m cautiously optimistic at this point.”

Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-06-23 16:20:16

Ohio has the same problem Detroit has: rustbeltitis.

 
 
 
Comment by sad panda
2013-06-23 09:00:17

I am glad that Hong Kong didn’t give a flyin F about Obama and US request about the Snowden.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 09:06:35

Not working in the intelligence contracting biz, I am wondering which scenario is most likely from here?

1. Uncle Sam negotiates an extradition deal with Putin.
2. Russia employs Snowden as an intelligence asset.
3. Snowden drops out of the intelligence biz and assimilates into Russian society.
4. Something else (and if so, please suggest what).

Comment by sad panda
2013-06-23 09:13:43

Venezuela?

For next yr or two he will collaborate with wikileaks and spill some other beans. He will be a frequent guest in foreign tvs.

Five years out, he will most likely get bored. Will hit the poker scenes in Caracas casinos.

Comment by sad panda
2013-06-23 09:17:49

Also I think a book deal and his book will be banned in the US proving once in for all that the US is governed by totalitarian thugs.

‘Ello voyeurs!

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Comment by sad panda
2013-06-23 09:34:58

After Obama bans Snowden’s book in the US, the Nobel committee revokes Obama’s peace prize but Obama will refuse to return the prize money and medal.

Hilary wins 2016 election and Obama provides a stiff competition to Bill and Al hitting the lecture circle commanding 1 million a pop. His clientele will be walstreet & sillicon valley firms. Obama builds a massive 10 billion library in downtown Chicago fully financed by WallStreet.

 
 
 
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Comment by Skroodle
2013-06-23 10:55:28

Ecuador…..

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 09:18:14

Features
Booz Allen, the World’s Most Profitable Spy Organization
By Drake Bennett and Michael Riley
June 20, 2013

In 1940, a year before the attack on Pearl Harbor, the U.S. Navy began to think about what a war with Germany would look like. The admirals worried in particular about the Kriegsmarine’s fleet of U-boats, which were preying on Allied shipping and proving impossible to find, much less sink. Stymied, Secretary of the Navy Frank Knox turned to Booz, Fry, Allen & Hamilton, a consulting firm in Chicago whose best-known clients were Goodyear Tire & Rubber (GT) and Montgomery Ward. The firm had effectively invented management consulting, deploying whiz kids from top schools as analysts and acumen-for-hire to corporate clients. Working with the Navy’s own planners, Booz consultants developed a special sensor system that could track the U-boats’ brief-burst radio communications and helped design an attack strategy around it. With its aid, the Allies by war’s end had sunk or crippled most of the German submarine fleet.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-06-23 09:30:21

I am glad that Hong Kong didn’t give a flyin F about Obama and US request about the Snowden.

He’s best lie low and watch out for drones.

Comment by sad panda
2013-06-23 10:24:21

I doubt US will ever use the drones outside of US and muslim counties. There will be a massive blow back and I think the voyeurs know this.

Comment by (Neo-) Jetfixr
2013-06-23 10:54:34

No problem. Just blame the explosion on a natural gas leak.

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Comment by Skroodle
2013-06-23 10:57:42

Drones will replace manned fighter aircraft in 10 years.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 11:27:16

And the automotive equivalent of drones (”robomobiles”?) will replace manned automobiles within 20 years.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 11:16:39

Aside from splashing a bucket of eggs on Booz Allen and the U.S. Congress, did Snowden actually break any laws?

Comment by azdude
2013-06-23 11:58:23

snowden 2016?

 
 
 
Comment by Neuromance
2013-06-23 10:49:51

Information or disinformation?

Central banks told to head for exit
By Claire Jones, Economics Reporter
Last updated: June 23, 2013 6:21 pm
Financial Times

Central banks must head for the exit and stop trying to spur a global economic recovery, the Bank for International Settlements has said following a week of market turbulence sparked by the US Federal Reserve’s signal that it would soon cut the pace of its bond buying.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/455af4a6-dc09-11e2-a861-00144feab7de.html#axzz2X3tdXHzs

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 11:26:09

Yes.

 
 
Comment by (Neo-) Jetfixr
2013-06-23 11:21:13

Watched a little bit of General Alexander this morning before coming to work. Made a big deal about China’s theft of intellectual property.

My question at this point would have been:
- How much intellectual property has China “stolen”? (and “stolen”, I mean by actual penetrations of supposedly secure computer systems, compared to just launching a search engine), and

-How does this compare to the amount just handed over to them by our so-called “leadership” (corporate and government)?

You can’t get pizzed at China. Right decisions or not, they seem to have people looking at the big picture. Unlike our idiots, who have either brainwashed themselves with “free-market dogma”, or (more cynically) use it as cover to sell out the rest of the country, for their own profit.

Comment by In Colorado
2013-06-23 13:24:25

+1

 
 
Comment by (Neo-) Jetfixr
2013-06-23 11:37:57

And some stories from the “Duffel Blog”:

http://tinyurl.com/8zrcr94

“F-35 scores historic first kill, by shooting down F-35 Program”

“Unemployed Anti-war protestors demand Syrian Invasion”

“Following NSA leaks, droves of Domestic Terrorists switch to ATT, T-Mobile”

“Enemy Hackers deem Army Knowledge Online, MyPay “..not even worth it.”

“Ole Miss welcomes Student Vets with verbal abuse, menial tasks”

And the columns, “Ask a Medic” , and “Ask the Barracks Lawyer”

Comment by Carl Morris
2013-06-23 12:13:20

Yup, I enjoy them even more than The Onion.

 
 
Comment by rms
2013-06-23 11:39:04

Foreclosed after 23-yrs in the home, but they milked all the equity and more while also sucking on the welfare system. But now they feel they deserve a BofA $20,000 moving incentive as part of a short sale deal, but that collapsed.

“Weeklong reprieve for Citrus Heights family facing eviction” <–Search

A family facing eviction Saturday from their longtime Citrus Heights home won a weeklong reprieve after a lawyer for Bank of America, which foreclosed on the family and auctioned the house in April, intervened with the new owner, the family said.

“B of A was trying to postpone the eviction,” said Cindy Amrine, a single mother of four teenage daughters. The family faced the prospect of being pushed out of their house this weekend with nowhere to live or store a lifetime’s worth of possessions.

On Saturday, Amrine said a supervisor with Strategic Property Management in Burbank told her a Bank of America lawyer had been calling to secure her more time to move.

The Burbank firm is managing the house for its new owners, an investment fund called ColFin Ai-CA 5 LLC, based in Santa Monica, that bought the house at auction April 22.

A Bank of America spokesman could not be reached for comment Saturday.

The bank has made no statements on the situation, which generated an outpouring of support from Bee readers after a story on Friday described the family’s plight and its efforts to use a new state law to seek redress for what it claimed was a wrongful foreclosure.

Amrine has sued Bank of America, alleging it violated the state’s new “homeowner bill of rights” by selling her house at a foreclosure auction just as she was near completion of a bank-approved short sale – in which the lender would have accepted less than what is owed.

The terms of Amrine’s short sale called for her to receive $20,000 in relocation assistance from the bank – an incentive available to some distressed homeowners. The money would have allowed the family to pay rent on a new home for a year, Amrine said.

Instead, she and her daughters – ages 13, 15, 18 and 19 – found themselves destitute with nowhere to live after a difficult divorce, the mother’s joblessness and the ex-husband’s failure to pay child support, Amrine said.

The lawsuit, filed last week by Sacramento attorney Jan Dudensing, raises the new legal issue of whether the homeowner bill of rights’ prohibition on dual tracking applies to short sales.

Dual tracking is a practice, widely criticized as deceptive, in which lenders move forward with foreclosure even while trying to work out a loan modification or other alternative to keep troubled borrowers in their homes.

Dudensing said the dozens of offers that have poured in on the family’s behalf include area residents saying they can pay the family’s rent for six months. Others have offered storage spaces and assistance moving, she said.

Some have asked to care for the family’s pets – two dogs and four cats.

“I think it touches a lot of people,” the lawyer said. “It’s close to home. It could be anyone.”

Amrine said the support – and the unexpected reprieve – has renewed hope for her and her daughters, who just days ago were planning to go to an emergency shelter or split up the family and sleep on friends’ couches.

“I let the girls sleep in today,” Amrine said. “We know we still have a big job ahead of us.”

Comment by azdude
2013-06-23 12:00:10

they had that story on the news. sounds like they milked it for years of free rent.

Comment by rms
2013-06-23 13:47:33

Did ‘ya get look at this single mom in her arm sling? She’s surely got a disability gig underway. Why do these scammers all look the same? I’d bet the runaway husband resembles Willem Dafoe too; hehe.

 
Comment by (Neo-) Jetfixr
2013-06-23 15:13:24

So, the basic problem isn’t the house……..they were getting booted out of it, one way or the other. The problem is the $20K they were trying to get out of the bank to go away.

My daughter’s MIL must be related to these people. Down to the disability scam. All that $20K will do is delay the inevitable for a year or two, if what I’ve seen is a guide.

As far as the daughters?

Homeless + Daddy issues = Future Peeler.

 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 12:21:46

HEARD ON THE STREET
Updated June 21, 2013, 4:57 p.m. ET
Yielding to the Fed’s New Message
By JUSTIN LAHART

It looks like the Federal Reserve doesn’t have to worry too much about the reach for yield anymore.

Not long after Fed officials decided in December to beef up their bond-buying program, they started fretting that it was leading financial-market participants to take untoward risks. Low long-term interest rates were pushing income-minded investors to plow money into areas like mortgage real-estate investment trusts, or REITs, in an attempt to boost returns, with shorter-term players piling onto the trend.

At a May congressional hearing, Chairman Ben Bernanke noted the Fed was worried that this type of reach for yield, if it persisted, might “undermine financial stability.” It was the same hearing in which he said the Fed might start scaling back its bond purchases by the fall, to be followed by this past week’s news conference where he said the purchases might end by the middle of next year.

As a result, the reach for yield has experienced a violent snap back.

Comment by azdude
2013-06-23 14:50:17

how many more people will be on food stamps this year thx to no work?

They need to start addressing the real problems in the economy and quit the clowning around with a printing press.

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-06-23 15:02:19

Michael Hastings Sent Panicked E-Mail Hours Before Car Crash

Journalist Michael Hastings wrote an e-mail to his colleagues hours before he died last week in which he said his “close friends and associates” were being interviewed by the FBI and he was going to “go off the radar for a bit.” The 33-year-old journalist said he was “onto a big story,” according to KTLA that publishes a copy of the e-mail that Hastings sent at around 1 p.m. Monday June 17. Hastings died at around 4:30 a.m. Tuesday morning in a fiery one-vehicle car crash.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/06/23/michael_hastings_sent_panicked_email_hours_before_car_crash.html

Comment by ahansen
2013-06-23 15:14:18

Let’s wait for the forensics and autopsy reports before we start in on the conspiracy theories, okay? It’s possible that maybe he was amped about being surveilled and excited about being onto a big story.

Maybe got a bit inebriated to calm down, was maybe driving at an accelerated rate of speed, hit a tree, ruptured his gas tank and it blew up? No reports of shrapnel so far, so maybe his engine just ended up 60 feet from the chassis because…um, it fell out of the Mercedes?

Comment by ecofeco
2013-06-23 16:54:46

You have to be going 70+mph to split a modern sedan in half.

On surface streets, that’s not accelerated, that’s insane.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-23 15:43:49

Slob, I am surprised you post such right wing anti-Obama trash, since your posts favor the nanny state.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-06-23 17:05:46

Maybe I’m a double-agent.

 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 15:47:30

The gold bubble is bursting, warn experts

Industry commentators say that retail investors are learning the hard way that the only thing that pushed the gold price up in the first place was the hope that more people would buy it.

By Alex Paget, Reporter, FE Trustnet
Thursday June 20, 2013

The recent plunge in the gold price signals the inevitable bursting of a bubble caused by the rise of exchange traded funds (ETFs), according to Standard Life’s Frances Hudson (pictured).

Gold has sold off dramatically today on the back of comments from the Fed that it will taper – and eventually stop – its quantitative easing programme.

So far today, the price of the precious metal has fallen by 5.69 per cent, and at the time of writing is at $1,295. In September 2011, it hit a high of $1,920.

While investors in gold have seen returns of 306.35 per cent over 10 years, it has fallen off a cliff in recent times, as the graph shows.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-06-23 16:39:41

“Experts.” makes me happy to be realizing some good long term stock gains and raise funds for growing my stack.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 17:20:36

How is the Fed’s “eat the young” bailout program working out for 30-somethings?

June 23, 2013 7:34 PM
Study: 30-somethings worse off than their parents’ generation

(CBS News) WELLFLEET, Mass. - Americans in their 30s are the only age group in this country worse off than their counterparts three decades ago.

A recent study by the Urban Institute shows the net worth of today’s 30-somethings — adjusted for inflation — is down 21 percent from what 30-somethings enjoyed in 1983.

At 33, Myya Beck is doing what she loves: Running her own fitness studio in Wellfleet, Mass. She works morning and night, six to seven days a week, and still struggles just to get by.

Ask her if she has any savings, and she laughs. “Forty dollars,” she said. Much of the money she earns is go to bills, college loans, a car payment and rent for her house.

Beck’s entire generation is facing this struggle, and economists believe part of the reason is because the traditional means of building wealth are disappearing.

Myya Beck, 33, has her own business and a baby on the way, but debt and bills are making it difficult for her to live a comfortable life.

Buying a home has been a historic source of wealth, but since 1990, there’s been a significant drop in home ownership for people under age 39, according to the U.S. Census.

And then there’s college debt, which, according the Federal Reserve of New York, has more than tripled in just the last 10 years.

Beck still owes over $15,000 for her college education.

“It’s stressful, very stressful,” she said. “It weighs on me as a person that I’m not doing something right, that I’m not doing enough.”

She’s also just learned some really big news.

“Now we also have a baby on the way,” she said. “I mean, this is everything that I’ve ever wanted. I’ve always wanted to own my own business. I’ve wanted to be a mom and have a family most importantly, of my own, so I’ve gotten those things, but financially how do I do it?”

She said the uncertainty “scares the living dickens out of me.”

“My glass is always half full. I’m still day by day trying to something more. What else is there?” she said.

Beck is just one of a generation that if things don’t change, will be poorer than their parents. It’s the first time that’s happened in America since the Great Depression.

Related
* U.S. regains wealth from recession, but not equally
* Lawmakers try to save student loan deal
* Is now the time to buy a home?

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 17:23:04

Pakistan sure is a fine ally!

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 17:26:30

Pakistani militants kill 10 foreign tourists
Zarar Khan, Associated Press 6:43 a.m. EDT June 23, 2013
(Photo: Musaf Zaman Kazmi, AP)

ISLAMABAD (AP) — Islamic militants disguised as policemen killed 10 foreign climbers and a Pakistani guide in a brazen overnight raid against their campsite at the base of one of the world’s tallest mountains in northern Pakistan, officials said Sunday.

The Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack at the base camp of Nanga Parbat, saying it was to avenge the death of their deputy leader in a U.S. drone strike last month.

The attack took place in an area that has largely been peaceful, hundreds of kilometers (miles) from the Taliban’s major sanctuaries along the Afghan border. But the militant group, which has been waging a bloody insurgency against the government for years, has shown it has the ability to strike almost anywhere in the country.

The Taliban began their attack by abducting two local guides to take them to the remote base camp in Gilgit-Baltisan, said Pakistani Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan. One of the guides was killed in the shooting, and the other has been detained for questioning. The attackers disguised themselves by wearing uniforms used by the Gilgit Scounts, a paramilitary force that patrols the area, Khan said.

Around 15 gunmen attacked the camp at around 11 p.m. Saturday, said the Alpine Club of Pakistan, which spoke with a local guide, Sawal Faqir, who survived the shooting. They began by beating the mountaineers and taking away any mobile and satellite phones they could find, as well as everyone’s money, said the club in a statement.

Some climbers and guides were able to run away, but those that weren’t were shot dead, said the club. Faqir was able to hide a satellite phone and eventually used it to notify authorities of the attack.

Attaur Rehman, the home secretary in Gilgit-Baltistan, said 10 foreigners and one Pakistani were killed in the attack. The dead foreigners included three Ukrainians, two Slovakians, two Chinese, one Lithuanian, one Nepalese and one Chinese-American, according to Rehman and tour operators who were working with the climbers. Matt Boland, the acting spokesman at the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad, confirmed that an American citizen was among the dead, but could not say whether it was a dual Chinese national.

The shooting — one of the worst attacks on foreigners in Pakistan in recent years — occurred in a stunning part of the country that has seen little violence against tourists, although it has experienced attacks by radical Sunni Muslims on minority Shiites in recent years.

Pakistani Taliban spokesman Ahsanullah Ahsan claimed responsibility for the attack, saying their Jundul Hafsa faction carried out the shooting as retaliation for the death of the Taliban’s deputy leader, Waliur Rehman, in a U.S. drone attack on May 29.

“By killing foreigners, we wanted to give a message to the world to play their role in bringing an end to the drone attacks,” Ahsan told The Associated Press by telephone from an undisclosed location.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 22:07:48

Killed:

5 Ukrainians
3 Chinese
1 Russian

Injured:

1 Chinese

How is this supposed to settle the score with America?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 22:08:52

Dumb question of the day:

Why don’t Russia, China and America join forces and wipe the Taliban off the map of Pakistan?

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Comment by ahansen
2013-06-23 23:22:42

India.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by non-conformist
2013-06-23 17:37:16

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Laurence Douglas “Larry” Fink (born 1952)[1][2] is the chairman and chief executive officer of BlackRock, an American multinational investment management corporation.[3] BlackRock is the largest money-management firm in the world by assets under management[4

Fink started his career in 1976 at First Boston, a large New York-based investment bank. Eventually taking charge of First Boston’s bond department, Fink was instrumental in the creation and development of the mortgage-backed security market in the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_D._Fink - 50k - Cached

Larry Fink’s $12 Trillion Shadow

Suzanna Andrews

April 2010

Though few Americans know his name, Larry Fink may be the most powerful man in the post-bailout economy.

Yet among the men who run Wall Street, it would be hard to find anyone who is not at least a little bit in awe of Larry Fink. While some—especially those who have known him the longest—snicker privately about how clearly the 57-year-old seems to relish his “transformation” in the last year and a half “into a Wall Street statesman,” its top consigliere, and the leading member of the country’s financial oligarchy, there is nothing but admiration for the vast power of BlackRock. In December, when Fink’s $13.5 billion acquisition of Barclays Global Investors was finalized, BlackRock, the company he founded 22 years ago, officially became the largest money-management firm in the world. A global colossus—with $3.3 trillion in assets under its direct management and another $9 trillion it supports—BlackRock manages about $1 trillion of pension and retirement funds for millions of Americans and oversees the investments of scores of institutions around the world: from state and local governments to college endowments, from Fortune 500 companies to the sovereign-wealth funds of, among others, Abu Dhabi and Singapore.

BlackRock’s vast reach in the global markets is not, however, its only source of influence these days. That Fink pulled off the Barclays deal in the aftermath of 2008’s financial meltdown is, in itself, impressive, but he did more than merely survive the wreckage unscathed. Indeed, it is hard to argue that anyone, or any firm on Wall Street, gained as much stature from the economic crisis as did Fink and BlackRock. At the height of the disaster, when the American economy was on the brink, it was to Fink that Wall Street’s C.E.O.’s—including J. P. Morgan Chase’s Jamie Dimon, Morgan Stanley’s John Mack, and A.I.G.’s Robert Willumstad—turned for help and counsel. As did the U.S. Treasury and the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, whose top officials turned to Fink for advice on the financial markets and assistance on the $30 billion financing of the sale of Bear Stearns to J. P. Morgan, the $180 billion bailout of A.I.G., the $45 billion rescue of Citigroup, and those of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac at $112 billion and growing.

Today, through an array of government contracts, BlackRock has effectively become the leading manager of Washington’s bailout of Wall Street. The firm oversees the $130 billion of toxic assets that the U.S. government took on as part of the Bear Stearns sale and the rescue of A.I.G.; it also monitors the balance sheets of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac—which together amount to some $5 trillion—and provides daily risk evaluations to the New York Fed on the $1.2 trillion worth of mortgage-backed securities it has purchased in an effort to jump-start the country’s housing market.

Passionate, “intense, very intense,” Fink, in person, friends say, is above all “blunt,” “very opinionated.” “He is a very strong personality,” says J. Tomilson Hill, the vice-chairman of the Blackstone Group, the $100 billion asset management and advisory firm. “He will give you a point of view when a lot of people don’t want to be pinned down.” Part of the reason men on Wall Street not only like Fink but, says Hill, “really trust him” relates to BlackRock’s unusual status on Wall Street. As an asset manager, BlackRock trades only money that belongs to its clients.

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June 3, 2013, 7:23 pm

Behind the Rise in House Prices, Wall Street Buyers

By NATHANIEL POPPER

Large investment firms have spent billions of dollars over the last year buying homes in some of the nation’s most depressed markets. The influx has been so great, and the resulting price gains so big, that ordinary buyers are feeling squeezed out. Some are already wondering if prices will slump anew if the big money stops flowing.

Wall Street played a central role in the last housing boom by supplying easy — and, in retrospect, risky — mortgage financing. Now, investment companies like the Blackstone Group have swooped in, buying thousands of houses in the same areas where the financial crisis hit hardest.

Blackstone, which helped define a period of Wall Street hyperwealth, has bought some 26,000 homes in nine states. Colony Capital, a Los Angeles-based investment firm, is spending $250 million each month and already owns 10,000 properties. With little fanfare, these and other financial companies have become significant landlords on Main Street. Most of the firms are renting out the homes, with the possibility of unloading them at a profit when prices rise far enough.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 17:46:33
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 18:48:00

9:32p Shanghai Composite retreats 0.5% in opening moves
9:31p Hong Kong H shares drop 1.4% in early trading

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-06-23 22:17:15

June 24, 2013, 12:10 a.m. EDT
China stocks tumble to lead losses in Asia
By V. Phani Kumar, MarketWatch

HONG KONG (MarketWatch) — Chinese stocks tumbled on Monday, leading most Asian markets lower, as a recent spike in Shanghai interbank interest rates fueled worries about the impact from tighter policies on the world’s second-largest economy.

The Shanghai Composite skidded 3% to 2,010.77 by the midday break, while the Hang Seng Index in Hong Kong fell 1.6%, dropping for a fifth straight session to stay close to nine-month lows.

Short-term interbank interest rates in Shanghai, which hit record highs on Thursday, extended their drop from levels seen on Friday but remained above the 6% level Monday, according to Dow Jones Newswires. This fed worries that the People’s Bank of China may keep those rates at a high level.

“The worst of the liquidity crunch may now be behind us, but we believe interbank rates will stay at elevated levels until at least the second week of July,” said Standard Chartered economist Stephen Green.

“The longer this policy lasts, the more concerns about banking-sector stability will be raised. It may also cause slower credit growth in the second half,” he said.

Moody’s Investors Service Vice President Bin Hu also echoed similar concerns. Hu said the ratings agency interprets the tight liquidity conditions as a conscious decision by the Chinese central bank to curb credit growth and that they regard such moves as credit-positive for the health of the overall banking system.

“However, the method the [People’s Bank of China] chose to keep the banking system short of liquidity entails risks that could have credit-negative implications, particularly for small and midsize banks that are more dependent on the interbank market,” Hu said.

 
 
Comment by non-conformist
2013-06-23 19:54:12

Obama called “war criminal” & “hypocrite of the century” in Irish …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIMucHfUMyg - 237k - Cached - Similar pages
2 days ago … Obama called “war criminal” & “hypocrite of the century” in Irish Parliament.

 
Comment by non-conformist
2013-06-23 20:15:20

Forget about PRISM. What about “Main Core?”
Submitted by Jefferson on Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:56
in Current Events
Poster’s note: Obviously the new PRISM revelations are important, but are they really new or surprising? Signal interception has been around since the telegraph, and telecom companies have been in bed with Govt. since the introduction of the phone. What is of more concern to me is new information I’ve learned about a supposed list called “main core.”
I can’t attest to the validity of this information, so I leave it to you the reader/researcher to decide.

Main Core: A List Of Millions Of Americans That Will Be Subject To Detention During Martial Law

Are you on the list? Are you one of the millions of Americans that have been designated a threat to national security by the U.S. government? Will you be subject to detention when martial law is imposed during a major national emergency? As you will see below, there is actually a list that contains the names of at least 8 million Americans known as Main Core that the U.S. intelligence community has been compiling since the 1980s. A recent article on Washington’s Blog quoted a couple of old magazine articles that mentioned this program, and I was intrigued because I didn’t know what it was. So I decided to look into Main Core, and what I found out was absolutely stunning – especially in light of what Edward Snowden has just revealed to the world. It turns out that the U.S. government is not just gathering information on all of us. The truth is that the U.S. government has used this information to create a list of threats to national security that the government would potentially watch, question or even detain during a national crisis. If you have ever been publicly critical of the government, there is a very good chance that you are on that list.

The following is how Wikipedia describes Main Core…

Main Core is the codename of a database maintained since the 1980s by the federal government of the United States. Main Core contains personal and financial data of millions of U.S. citizens believed to be threats to national security. The data, which comes from the NSA, FBI, CIA, and other sources, is collected and stored without warrants or court orders. The database’s name derives from the fact that it contains “copies of the ‘main core’ or essence of each item of intelligence information on Americans produced by the FBI and the other agencies of the U.S. intelligence community.”
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http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/main-core-a-list-o...

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