June 26, 2013

Putting Some Additional Air Into The Bubble

The BBC reports on Colorado. “The city’s Office of Economic Development recently declared Denver’s housing market ‘the strongest in the nation,’ in terms of price appreciation and value. But it is precisely this strong, or ‘hot,’ market that is making getting that first step on the housing ladder so hard for Kait, 25, and Ryan, 29. The couple want to move out of their one-bedroom rented apartment in the cosmopolitan Capitol Hill neighbourhood and are looking for a house worth up to $240,000. ‘We chose not to get married [in order] to buy a house,’ says Kait.”

“The competitive housing market has left buyers frustrated, even resorting to writing letters to sellers or sending them videos featuring their children in order to plead their case. Most estate agents or real estate brokers in Denver actively encourage buyers to do this, to make their offer stand out and pull at sellers’ heartstrings.”

“Gary Bauer, an independent real estate analyst, acknowledges that frustration among buyers is high right now, with the added frustration of having to compete with investors buying up available properties and ‘flipping’ them. He says home buyers have to ‘establish and manage expectations’ and become more creative, and writing personal letters to sellers is one way of doing that. ‘If you really want your offer to be looked at, you have to make your offer the best you can and that’s not on the price alone. You have to touch the emotions,’ Mr Bauer says.”

KRWG on Arizona. “During the Great Recession, home builders in the suburbs abandoned neighborhoods that were only half built. The so-called zombie subdivisions left a ring of unfinished construction around cities like Phoenix. But now the zombies are waking up as developers in the Southwest are scrambling to keep up with another frenzied demand for housing.”

“Back in 2011, Realtor Greg Swann took me to the Laveen Farms subdivision in West Phoenix, where fire hydrants emerged dolefully from the desert floor and sidewalks lead to nowhere. The scene is not much better in 2013. ‘When you recover from a heart attack it takes time,’ said Swann, as he observed a crew of workers milling outside a dozen big, new homes. ‘This year is definitely better than two years ago, but there are limits to the enthusiasm you can express for this.’”

“Swann’s point is this: when things are really moving in this city, you’ll know it. ‘If there’s a truss on a truck everyday when you’re driving on the freeway and you’re trying to angle around that truss because you can’t see, then they’re building houses,’ Swann said. ‘If that’s not a problem, then nobody is building anything.’”

ABC 15 in Arizona. “Thousands of Arizona families have lost their homes to illegal foreclosures based on forged, faked and phony documents. Gabriella Westfall has served her community as a police officer for more than 25 years. Westfall said she faithfully paid her mortgage every month until the bank inexplicably raised her monthly payment and told her she needed a modification. She could only get one if she defaulted.”

“‘I contacted the AG to say, ‘Look, I’m a victim,’ but I have not heard from anybody in the attorney general’s office,’ Westfall said. ‘I’m a victim of the system and a victim of fraud.’”

NPR on Nevada. “High-paying investors have helped Las Vegas’ real estate prices to bloom in a place that once ranked as the country’s foreclosure capital. The housing market is so tight that Realtors are calling people to try to get them to sell their homes. Agents are always trying to find homes to sell, but right now in Vegas, it’s taken on a new fervor.”

“‘Right now, on average, an average listing we have we can say there’s no less than 15 offers on a property that we have,’ says Noah Herrera, VP of the Greater Las Vegas Association of Realtors. ‘We have institutional investors that are coming in and taking all of our inventory — overbidding, paying cash.’”

“Another big reason, he says, is a local law that did what other federal laws did nationally after the housing market crash: It made it harder for banks to foreclose. In September 2011, there were over 4,000 notices of default in the state of Nevada. In October, after the bill passed, there were 80.”

“According to an appraisal, Clara Padilla Silver was underwater $35,000 on her Las Vegas home. ‘And we didn’t qualify for any kind of modification,’ Silver says. Her only option, she thought, was to do a short sale — to sell the house for less than it is worth — even if it damaged her credit. That’s what her neighbor was doing. But then Silver thought about it. ‘The craziness is escalating in Las Vegas. So I said, ‘Let’s take a chance. We’ll list it for a couple of weeks,’ she says.”

“And wham! ‘We got a cash offer for $233,000′ — $50,000 over what she thought the house was worth, she says. That deal fell through, but a week later, she got a similar offer, one that she expects to close in the next few weeks. But it better happen fast — for the buyers, she says, because when she checks online real estate databases ‘the value of my house increases by about $1,000 every two days.’”

Nevada Public Radio. “The newly-created Nevada Housing Stability Index shows the market is ‘out of whack,’ said its designer, Jeremy Aguero. Nevada is currently a national leader in price appreciation. ‘We’re also at or near the nation’s highest in terms of the number of people that are living in homes they’re not making payments on. Those two things cannot go on together,’ he said.”

“Aguero is predicting ’some kind of shakeout.’ The number of homes for sale is ‘artificially low’ and that’s pushing up prices. More instability would come if banks start selling off homes where the owner is behind on mortgage payments or owners stop fighting to keep their homes. The high number of mortgages still under water and the fact that nearly 50 percent of homes are distressed sales – where the owner is facing foreclosure or cannot meet the mortgage – are also troubling.”

“‘Right now, we’ve created a second bubble within the housing market and what we’re doing right now is putting some additional air into that,’ Aguero said.”

The Associated Press. “Across the U.S., rural counties are losing population for the first time ever because of waning interest among baby boomers in moving to far-flung locations for retirement and recreation, according to new census estimates. Living in a rural Nevada town, Moe Royels recalls a more bustling time years ago when retirees poured in to enjoy the warm desert climate, nearby casinos and quiet community. But soon boom turned to bust, and years after the recession ended, Royels still wonders if things will ever fully turn around in small towns like his.”

“In Royels’ Lyon County, Nev., about 30 miles east of Reno, small towns prospered during the housing boom. Spillover residents from California’s expensive Bay Area flocked to the area, drawn to the affordable housing, temperate weather and lack of a state income tax. But after the housing bubble burst, the retirees stopped coming.”

“On Main Street in the town of Fernley, the Wigwam, one of the town’s oldest restaurants, now does half the business it used to, according to Royels, who opened the diner in 1961 and sold it five years ago. ‘People moved out of town,’ Royels said from his seat at the restaurant. ‘Some of these subdivisions are still sitting vacant, with the curb and the gutter in but nothing else.’”




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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-06-26 06:56:51

“The city’s Office of Economic Development recently declared Denver’s housing market ‘the strongest in the nation,’

From a family member and Denver resident;

“Everyone knows this ‘housing recovery’ is contrived. It’s complete bull$hit.

Caveat: This is someone who is $50k underwater on a house bought in 2006.

Comment by goon squad
2013-06-26 09:57:13

Kait and Ryan are facing a future of incalculable losses.

 
Comment by brother_jimmy
2013-06-26 10:40:02

My buddy owns two homes in Denver, one still underwater but I get a weekly email from him on how I missed out in joining their investment club to fix and flip home, and hows he sitting on 80k in equity on his recent puchase. I told him to sell that sucker. How much further can this run?

 
Comment by goon squad
2013-06-26 11:09:41

denver is not nyc, dc, sf. denver is a second-tier city that does not have the household incomes to support these unsustainable prices. so yes, it’s complete bullsh1t.

Comment by perkonkrusts
2013-06-26 12:00:25

In coastal cities, they have 1/2 the land to expand into. There’s nowhere east of Boston/Miami to go, there’s nowhere west of L.A. or SF to go. So at least in some way I get those property prices being high. But for cities like Denver and Atlanta, with vast empty spaces around them, I’m at a loss as to why construction can’t keep up with demand and prevent this nonsense.

Comment by Steve J
2013-06-26 14:18:11

I think there might be mountains.

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Comment by Dr.Hünd
2013-06-26 23:14:06

of course it’s nonsense because of all the government/industry/investor manipulation everyone here talks about, BUT….the Denver area needs a closer look. Yes, it’s not NYC, dc, or sf - nor are the prices anywhere near. It is locationx3 though. Many places suck (Aurora, NE, some parts of Denver) but there are better incomes than you all would think in specific demographics. Some need to be broken down by zip codes - others are full counties - check out median income of Douglas County for instance. Lotsa new high paying jobs too down to new college or trades graduates. Inventory is being manipulated but not nearly as obscene as so many other markets.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2013-06-26 06:58:08

‘Right now, on average, an average listing we have we can say there’s no less than 15 offers on a property that we have,’ says Noah Herrera, VP of the Greater Las Vegas Association of Realtors’

A couple of days ago, I was watching a guy enter searches into the UHS website for Las Vegas. He happened to search for 5 bedroom, 3 car garages and it came back with 2,300 listings.

‘it better happen fast — for the buyers, she says, because when she checks online real estate databases ‘the value of my house increases by about $1,000 every two days’

You know, this is about to get amusing.

Comment by In Colorado
2013-06-26 07:49:04

Right now, on average, an average listing we have we can say there’s no less than 15 offers on a property that we have…

He happened to search for 5 bedroom, 3 car garages and it came back with 2,300 listings.

I would be tempted to say ‘location, location”, but this is Vegas we’re talking about. What location there could possibly be more desirable?

Comment by Overtaxed
2013-06-26 10:37:48

“What location there could possibly be more desirable?”

Baghdad?
Siberia?
Antarctica?

How’s that for a starting list of areas more desireable than Vegas? I’d rather live in a tent in the Yukon than a million dollar house in Vegas.

Yes, I hate it that much. I’ve been there ~50 times; the first 5-10 times, I would have told you I love it. However, now, I’d rather see the Tickler (GOT reference) than endure another night in a sleazy Vegas hotel. And, this is coming from someone who like’s sleaze. ;)

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-06-26 07:51:31

What I meant to say was that all of Vegas is an armpit, they don’t have a Boulder or a Scottsdale equivalent in Vegas. Or do they?

Comment by Rental Watch
2013-06-26 13:19:07

From a climate standpoint? No, it’s all hot and dry. But they do have Summerlin (West Vegas) and the Green Valley area of Henderson (SE of Vegas), which, according to some folks I know who live there are the two best areas to be. If I were to bet, I’d say that Boulder and Scottsdale are both better than these places, but these places aren’t armpits.

 
 
Comment by AmazingRuss
2013-06-26 09:50:39

Bug, meet windshield.

Comment by inchbyinch
2013-06-26 15:22:54

Russ,
You’ve got that right. The bug swarms are gross.

Green Valley and Summerlin are just over marketed PUDS. Tract beige everywhere with “botox” framed windows.
We use to live in that sort of thing. Never again.

Comment by AmazingRuss
2013-06-26 16:12:45

The way I look at it, if the bugs are in those places, they’re not swarming where I want to be.

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Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2013-06-26 09:58:32

‘it better happen fast — for the buyers, she says, because when she checks online real estate databases ‘the value of my house increases by about $1,000 every two days’

This FOOL! Why the hell would she ever want to sell?!? This thing is a money MACHINE!! Can’t she do the math?!? If she just holds onto it for another year it will be worth ANOTHER $180,000. If she holds on to it for another 5 years, it will be worth an additional $900,000!! If she holds on to it for another 10 years, it will be worth an additional $1.8 million!! And all of this time she is living in her dream home rent-free, without a care in the world! Oh, the sheer bliss! RE only goes up, up, up! She should double-down and buy MORE houses!!

Comment by brother_jimmy
2013-06-26 10:44:34

Good catch. if these sellers actually believed that prices were going to stick, they wouldn’t sell. .

 
Comment by Dale
2013-06-26 13:42:12

‘the value of my house increases by about $1,000 every two days.’”

…..to infinity and beyond!!!

 
 
Comment by brother_jimmy
2013-06-26 10:42:48

It won’t be amusing when the taxpayers are asked to bailout these recent investors.

Comment by snake charmer
2013-06-26 11:37:28

Aren’t most mortgages already guaranteed by the federal government? I thought it was a heads-I-win, tails-you-lose situation for the banks, just like student loans.

 
Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2013-06-26 12:14:23

What about everything paid for in cash- no mortgages? No leveraged liability that risks bringing down the financial system in this bubble. I don’t think there will be a bailout this time, but there WILL be scapegoats. When prices start circling the bowl this time, Obama will paint himself as Robin Hood, defender of the poor and downtrodden. Since there will be no massive, public outcry for a bailout of rich people (quite the opposite) and no votes to be gleaned by saving them, Obama will just wring his hands and wish them the best of luck. Since there is no systemic risk, no political gain but huge political risk in any bailout attempt, Obama will sacrifice them upon the altar of political expediency. Because there are no potential ‘innocents’ (votes) this time. Just a whole lot of ‘hedge fund fat-cats’ and ‘evil speculators’ who have been ‘beating-down the common man’ with their huge bags of cash. He will say that ‘they just made a bad bet’ and there is ‘a price to be paid for poor investments- this is capitalism, after all’. And the crowd will love him for it. And RE prices will collapse.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-06-26 20:31:05

Since there is no systemic risk,

What has changed that makes you believe that there is no systemic risk this time around?

Too big to fail has only been biggering, and biggering, and biggering…

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Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2013-06-27 04:11:10

Correct. There is still the same old systemic risk that there has been for previously sold houses purchased with MORTGAGES, but Bubble 2.0 is primarily hot-money CASH. Credit is unlimited supply and infinite risk, cash/wealth is in finite supply and has limited risk. If I buy a house with $100,000 cash and its value goes to $0.00, then there is only one loser (me) and the most I can lose is $100,000. If I use a mortgage to make payments on a $100,000 and its value goes to zero, then there are multiple potential losers involved in this single transaction (me, the bank, the taxpayers, the PMI insurance company, MBS buyers and every downstream derivative thereof, etc) and the actual amount of loss is unknowable, but well in excess of the face value of the loan plus its interest rate.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by perkonkrusts
2013-06-26 07:20:32

‘We chose not to get married [in order] to buy a house’

Buying a house in a bubbly area is risky enough already. Buying a house in a bubbly area as girlfriend/boyfriend will, to borrow the phrase from Peter McNeeley, wrap them in a cocoon of horror.

Comment by In Colorado
2013-06-26 07:46:36

Buying a house in a bubbly area as girlfriend/boyfriend will, to borrow the phrase from Peter McNeeley, wrap them in a cocoon of horror.

Many marriages are as shaky as the real estate market. Also, the attitude towards marriage is very different these days, for many it’s not all that different than being in a girlfriend/boyfriend relationship.

I attended a wedding ceremony a few months ago at the county courthouse. The young couple did not exchange vows of any kind. No “until death do we part” or “forsake all others”. They simply agreed to enter into the marriage contract. Some might say that such an approach is more realistic and perhaps it is, but it isn’t all that different, from a commitment perspective, than being girlfriend/boyfriend.

Comment by United States of Moral Hazard
2013-06-26 08:22:45

In our instant gratification society, relationships only last until someone comes along who is perceived as “better.” Then the cheating begins and the relatuonship ends.

Comment by In Colorado
2013-06-26 08:51:26

In our instant gratification society, relationships only last until someone comes along who is perceived as “better.” Then the cheating begins and the relationship ends.

Sadly, this is all too true, which is why I think many people, especially the “young pretty things” see marriage as a deluxe version of the “girlfriend/boyfriend” relationship.

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Comment by inchbyinch
2013-06-26 15:30:33

We met in 1978. Married in 1979. Divorced. Remarried years later. Like to call each other boyfriend/girlfriend.
The rocks in his head, fit the holes in mine. LOL (He’s an EE=perfectionist)

 
Comment by ahansen
2013-06-26 23:35:39

Awwwwww. Cool story. I’m a sucker for those….

 
 
 
Comment by perkonkrusts
2013-06-26 08:26:20

The last thing I want to do is debate the pros and cons of marriage, but I’m curious about this ceremony you attended. From a commitment perspective, I thought the main purpose of (most) marriages is about “until death do we part” and “forsake all others”. I know it often doesn’t turn out that way, but that’s at least the intent.

My question is, if they were not committing until death, and not forsaking all others, why did they even enter into that contract instead of remaining legally single? Financial benefits of some sort?

Comment by In Colorado
2013-06-26 08:48:38

I didn’t ask them about the lack of vows (I didn’t want to rain on their parade). Basically the Justice of the Peace asked them if they wished to enter into marriage and they said yes, and that was it.

As for why marry if there is no intent of fidelity or permanence, all I can think of is that it’s really not part of the current collective mind set.

I had a coworker who had a religious ceremony with the traditional vows and who divorced after a couple of years because “it didn’t work out”. So I asked him about the vow of permanence he made. He simply shrugged his shoulders. I asked if he meant it when he went through the motions and he shrugged again. He claimed to be religious so I asked why did he make such a solemn vow if he didn’t mean to keep it. Again, he shrugged.

I think that today few people are serious about their marriage vows. They are exchanged mostly for reasons of sentimentality and there is rarely true conviction behind them.

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Comment by Steve J
2013-06-26 14:20:50

Mormons don’t even let death end a marriage.

 
 
 
Comment by Al
2013-06-26 08:53:02

“They simply agreed to enter into the marriage contract.”

Probably an option ARM.

Comment by United States of Moral Hazard
2013-06-26 11:08:53

ARM = Arbitrary Revocable Marriage

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Comment by perkonkrusts
2013-06-26 07:30:35

“‘I contacted the AG to say, ‘Look, I’m a victim,’ but I have not heard from anybody in the attorney general’s office,’ Westfall said. ‘I’m a victim of the system and a victim of fraud.’”

From later in the story:
“The ABC15 Investigators sat down with Arizona Attorney General Tom Horne. Referring to the homeowner facing foreclosure, Horne said, “That person didn’t pay.””

There, Ms. Westfall, now you have heard from someone in the attorney general’s office. Better be packing your stuff.

Comment by AnonyRuss
2013-06-26 10:42:57

She is quite a victim. A Chandler, AZ cop and cop spouse with a $650,000 house loan in 2006. Who could have possibly foreseen any difficulties?

http://recorder.maricopa.gov/recdocdata/GetRecDataDetail.aspx?rec=20060395894

Of course, her spouse’s judgement is apparently not the best in non-financial matters either:

“Even though two employees of a Chandler auto parts store dared an officer to stun them with a Taser, they never believed he would actually do it.
Officer Doyle Sikes entered a Car Quest Auto Parts store at Ray Road and Arizona Avenue on Feb. 28 to buy parts for his patrol motorcycle. Sikes was approached by 24-year-old delivery driver Jacob Craig and his co-worker when the co-worker offered Sikes $50 to shock Craig in the arm with his Taser…”

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/article_200d0c01-5b24-5a7a-95e3-757ed6e7cd22.html?mode=story

 
 
Comment by ahansen
2013-06-26 07:53:15

Banks don’t “inexplicably” raise mortgages, Officer Westfall, usually they do so because the negative amortizing option ARM you took out has come due. Or did you really think that a $379,000 loan would always pay back at $1,200 a month?

The reporter doesn’t tell us whether the amount or terms of your mortgage were somehow changed by the electronic rubber stamp, just that you were the “victim” of “fraud” and therefore deserve to keep the house you stopped paying on two years ago because “they could only modify it if I defaulted”.

They also failed to mention that bankruptcy.

Comment by Al
2013-06-26 08:50:07

ahansen, there is this gem:

“She says six different banks have appeared in court and in filings to claim they own her house.

“I don’t know who I am supposed to pay my mortgage to,” she explains, “because we don’t know who owns the mortgage”.

Under these cirumstances, maybe the change in mortgage payment is truly inexplicable based on whatever she signed. Once again the reporters fail to give enough info.

 
 
Comment by Max Power
2013-06-26 13:41:34

Went ahead and looked up Gabriella Westfall from the Arizona story. She has a judgment against her recorded on 12/16/2010. The best part? She was the plaintiff! JP Morgan Chase and MERS were the defendants. So apparently this already went before a judge (per her request) and there may be a little more to the story than she told the reporter. Or at least the judge thought so.

From the judgment:

“The Court entered and signed a Final Judgment on November 24, 2010, against Plaintiff Gabriella Westfall, as follows:

Awarding in favor of Devendants and agains Plaintiff, Defendants’ attorneys’ fees and costs incurred in connection with this matter, in the amount of $31,960.44, taxable costs in the amount of $223.00, and other costs and expenses in the amount of $198.41, together with interest thereon at the statutory rate of 10% until all amounts due and owing hereunder are paid in.”

Comment by ahansen
2013-06-26 23:39:17

Cops. Ya gotta love ‘em.

 
 
Comment by PeakHubris
2013-06-26 18:12:28

“On Main Street in the town of Fernley, the Wigwam, one of the town’s oldest restaurants, now does half the business it used to, according to Royels, who opened the diner in 1961 and sold it five years ago. ‘People moved out of town,’ Royels said from his seat at the restaurant. ‘Some of these subdivisions are still sitting vacant, with the curb and the gutter in but nothing else.’”

Fernley makes almost zero sense. It is in the middle of nowhere, lacks good shopping, and has no jobs. Unemployment in the area is somewhere in the neighborhood of 20%. Yet, it was ground zero for bubble excesses. The builders went nuts, and so did prices. After the complete meltdown, speculators have returned to buy up all the houses. But, there is almost no market for them as rentals. Stupid.

 
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