July 4, 2013

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Comment by imaadesi
2013-07-04 03:09:42

There has been lot of discussion here about IT folks making lot of money. Here is some insider information.
One does not need any special education/skill to work in IT field. Any one can do it. It is just like learning another language. The best part is that one already knows english and you just need to know how to use it in IT/Computer..
Only thing that is needed for successfull career in IT is that one has to have some analytical skills and commmon sense. Also if you have an aptitude for this kind of work it becomes even easier. Even a high school drop out can do it.

I have seen folks making anywhere from 60K to 300K having same basic education/qualification depending on where and what product they are working on.

I work full time from home as full time employee for a fortune 500 company and my total compensation is around 200K. Although by education I am an engineer and perhaps could have been making more money if I stayed in my engineering field, I moved to IT because I enjoy it and I somehow have aptitude for this and it is sort of my hobby. So I am getting paid for pursuing my hobby.

The company where I have een has been outsourcing IT jobs for last 10 years and most likely we have around 60% of IT jobs outsourced either on shore or off shore. Fortunately I have been safe so far and I hope to remain so because what I do is not easily available and it is not cheap even in global market i.e. solve problems.

Comment by Anon In DC
2013-07-04 07:43:52

Hi. Yes your right. But you really need a good aptitude to learn the computer language. For some it come naturally. Does working full time for a fortune 500 company in IT mean something like 12 hour days?

Comment by Anon In DC
2013-07-04 07:45:13

your = you’re. Coffee is brewing now :)

 
Comment by imaadesi
2013-07-04 12:00:51

Not really. No one in the company expects anyone to work more than 8 hours but at times we do work more depending on what all is going on or depending on how critical the problem is.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-07-04 08:15:17

IMO, the sky is the limit on software development. I had good times and good earnings as a consultant for nearly thirteen years. But I always placed fitness and health as highest priority in my life. My mother dies at 65 via health issues from obesity and sedentary living. I prefer livi g much longer than that.

Life is too short to work ten hours a day and pile up a good net worth but appear like the Pillsbury doughboy.

Where I am going to start work, most employees (and I know them), work only 40 hours per week and live close to work. They do not work weekends. It’s in Orange County. I already put a deposit on an apartment. Will join masters swimming and do a lot of bicycling. Also wake up later and get full sleep!

 
Comment by drumminj
2013-07-04 08:44:06

I agree that software development and testing (let’s be more specific here. “IT” can mean all sorts of stuff. Network infrastructure, support, security, etc…) can be done by lots of people. I’ve often lamented that I got a 4 year degree in a field it seems most anyone can pick up.

However, I disagree that anyone/everyone can do it *well*. It takes a special kind of analytical/logical thinker and attention to detail to be able to break down problems and come up with good solutions to them that are efficient. IMO that’s what my college education was all about - how to break down and solve problems, moreso than here’s where you put the semi-colon to get this code to compile. (note: I’m not saying one needs to have a 4-year degree in CS to be a good programmer)

I’ve worked with developers overseas, and I’ve had to clean up their code. No doubt there are some great ones, but my experience has been that they can write code, but not truly solve problems in a way that is elegant, extensible, and maintainable. That will likely change over time as folks get more experience/training, but that’s the difference between someone who’s worth $150k/yr and someone worth 50k/year.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-07-04 09:07:49

IMO that’s what my college education was all about - how to break down and solve problems, moreso than here’s where you put the semi-colon to get this code to compile.
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not truly solve problems in a way that is elegant, extensible, and maintainable.

+alot. drummin nailed it.

The most important skill in software development is being able to look at a complex problem, understand its essence, and then distill it down to a _simple_, clean solution. If you can do that where others would only see complexity, you will do great.

Without that skill, the code that gets written ends up being difficult to get right, difficult to test, costly to maintain (because it is impossible for others to understand), etc.

I have worked with high-school drop-outs and plenty without CS degrees who are excellent problems solvers… This way of thinking is not necessarily something that is easy to teach in school.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-07-04 09:46:54

Exactly. You know what? It takes years to hone your own software engineering process. No part of the software development life cycle should be neglected: requirements, design, coding, testing. Interns have remarked about my practical approach to problem solvi g in the labs. For instance using RTOS and multiple processors with debug probes hooked to JTAGs. You study the system as a whole and you use the debugger to stimulate a scenario to get to the final breakpoint t where you can examine registers and memories.

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-07-04 10:04:23

The key approach is analytical skills, and over the years it becomes habit. Languages come and go, but problem solving techniques are honed.

 
 
 
 
Comment by rms
2013-07-04 09:00:31

“Only thing that is needed for successfull career in IT is that one has to have some analytical skills and commmon sense. Also if you have an aptitude for this kind of work it becomes even easier.”

The client-server domain environment is a good starting point, but the smart money is made in network infrastructure, SCADA, distributed storage, etc., and the college degree and security clearance trump the high school dropout. Round the clock availability seems to be the Achilles’ heel; modern slavery. That said, a neighbor works around grid-level 110-kV plus transmission, which requires frequent travel, but this guy makes serious money and has top-shelf benefits.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2013-07-04 13:14:32

There are more jobs in IT than just being a programmer and it doesn’t always pay well.

Comment by Mike in Carlsbad
2013-07-04 16:30:45

I’ve been reading this blog for a few years. I have both an active security clearance and active CCNP and been doing this for 8 years and wish I pulled down 100k. I also have a UC degree. High end Cisco Nexus networks and enterprise wireless is my bag and most of my customers are utilities. In San Diego the defense sector has been downsizing for years. My contractor laid off hundreds last quarter and thousands in the last few years. They have sold off most of their buildings as well. Why San Diego real estate keeps going up in value when all the good paying jobs are being gutted has never made sense to me. All that’s left is tourism, biotech, and hospitals…. all I date are nurses and boy do they pull down the $$$ around here.

I read on here about what a gold mine IT is and don’t see it. I travel 25% of the time but thankfully don’t work more than 40hr weeks. Benefits have been cut every year, tuition reimbursment gone, discount on company stock gutted from 15% discount to 5%, medical this year is either high deductible catastrophic or a 100% increase in out of pocket, plus the new “flex office” so everyone shares office space… I’ve seen happier staff working in morgues.

I own in a city I absolutley love and it fits my lifestyle (cyclist in various clubs doing 100+ min miles a week) so jumping around the country taking 6-9mo gigs is not worth the extra income to me.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-07-04 18:13:16

IMO, people like Smithers are rare among the contractors. I posted before that I think the staffing agencies are getting flooded with people becoming temps. So this makes the recruiters low ball the temps. The veteran temps get the shaft and it is starting to seem that direct hire jobs with bennies are not bad at all.

I think con-w2s are going into the toilet. While 1099s are probably the last holdout. If Obamacare gets repealed, temping is done.

Everything is cyclic. Temping was very lucrative in the 80s until contractors at Microsoft sued the company and spoiled it for all future contracting. I got into temping in 2000 and missed out on the real big pay of the 80s.

However there are times when the client pays unlimited overtime and it’s a goldmine. I had that for several years and it allowed me to build up gold, series I bonds, spend money on women, that type of thing. I was a rock star.

I can understand that you are a cyclist and you prefer fitness to money. Don’t feel as though you are missing anything. You are not. Keep fitness and health as your bigger priority than money.

For me I was a lot like you. I was under the thumb of bosses, kicked around. I was focused on health and had a great long time girlfriend I loved. But personal tragic events led me to think of just going on the road. So I did that for 13 years. Now I’m returning to social and to focus more on health. I don’t care as much about what I make as a salaried person. I made a pile of money on my investments anyway.

San Diego is a great area for you. I first went there as a teenager and wanted to live the rest of my life there. I know how attractive places can be that are much more positive than the bad things such as taxes, crowding, etc.

For me, I will move to O.C. for the first time in 3 weeks. I used to dream of living there. Silicon Valley has the tech energy. O.C. has a lot of positive can do energy. That’s always been my thought. I hope what I thought is really true.

When you are where you love and doing the things you love, you will be most productive.

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Comment by rms
2013-07-04 20:26:04

“Why San Diego real estate keeps going up in value when all the good paying jobs are being gutted has never made sense to me.”

The answer used to be easy, Fannie and Freddie, but prices have soared past the $749,500 limit. I suppose it’s the equity locust retirees and wealthy foreign investors.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-04 22:11:52

“Why San Diego real estate keeps going up in value when all the good paying jobs are being gutted has never made sense to me.”

Ditto…’tis a mystery.

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Comment by imaadesi
2013-07-04 03:15:48

Happy 4th of July to both left and crazy right.

Comment by inchbyinch
2013-07-04 07:56:43

Happy 4th to everyone.
We should do more than celebrate The Declaration Of Independence, we should apply it. Kick ALL the bums out of office and start over.

Comment by scdave
2013-07-04 08:20:33

I am not much of a fan of our current military establishment but I cherish our America…Put your flag out today…

Comment by drumminj
2013-07-04 08:45:50

Put your flag out today…

Upside down…

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Comment by inchbyinch
2013-07-04 09:10:15

scdave
The Chinese American one, or the American made one? LOL

A realturd, who farms my neighborhood put one out at every home. (business card attached) Nice touch but doesn’t by loyalty. Ours pulled mirrors off the walls w/ us and was there 6 months after closing schulping w/ us. Now that’s cool.

Everyday we should celebrate life. No one is getting out of this alive.

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Comment by Anon In DC
2013-07-04 09:56:42

Everyday we should celebrate life. No one is getting out of this alive.

good one!

 
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-07-04 14:37:50

There were realtoRs in our July 4th parade today. What were they DOING there?

 
 
 
 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-04 08:12:43

Independence Day and specifically the flag is racist. Celebrating a bunch of dead white slave owners and stuff. My liberal betters have told me this for years. Instead I celebrate July 14th, since as my liberal betters have told me as well, everything French is better than everything American. Revolutions too.

Comment by AmazingRuss
2013-07-04 13:37:38

You haven’t ever met a liberal… you just quiver in terror at what you imagine them to be.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-04 22:14:47

We have plastic “Made in China” American flags staked out front of our rental home, and enjoyed watching some “Made in China” fireworks blow up tonight in celebration of America’s Birthday.

Happy 4th!

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-07-04 08:17:19

Happy fourth! The government cannot take away our natural rights as long as we are armed citizens. This is my favorite holiday. New Years Day my second favorite!

Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-07-04 14:40:27

Hey BiLA:

Being armed is necessary, but not sufficient. Having an engaged and organized community to participate democratically is even more important, IMO.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-07-04 17:43:13

unfortunately such communities are few, relative to the anonymity and transient conditions of big cities, where people like me break apartment leases to be close to a new job, then switch jobs again in 3 years and break the lease again to move to the next spot.

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Comment by Dirk Diggler
2013-07-04 17:46:34

Today should now be called “dependance” day.Viva obama!

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Comment by rms
2013-07-04 20:27:13

+1 Now that is funny. :)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by imaadesi
2013-07-04 03:21:21

There has been lot of discussion here about IT folks making lot of money. Here is some insider information.
One does not need any special education/skill to work in IT field. Any one can do it. It is just like learning another language. The best part is that one already knows english and you just need to know how to use it in IT/Computer..
Only thing that is needed for successfull career in IT is that one has to have some analytical skills and commmon sense. Also if you have an aptitude for this kind of work it becomes even easier. Even a high school drop out can do it.

I have seen folks making anywhere from 60K to 300K having same basic education/qualification depending on where and what product they are working on.

I work full time from home as full time employee for a fortune 500 company and my total compensation is around 200K. Although by education I am an engineer and perhaps could have been making more money if I stayed in my engineering field, I moved to IT because I enjoy it and I somehow have aptitude for this and it is sort of my hobby. So I am getting paid for pursuing my hobby.

The company where I have been has been outsourcing IT jobs for last 10 years and most likely we have around 60% of IT jobs outsourced either on shore or off shore. Fortunately I have been safe so far and I hope to remain so because what I do is not easily available and it is not cheap even in global market i.e. solve problems.

 
Comment by imaadesi
2013-07-04 03:23:36

There has been lot of discussion here about IT folks making lot of money. Here is some insider information.
One does not need any special education/skill to work in IT field. Any one can do it. It is just like learning another language. The best part is that one already knows english and you just need to know how to use it in IT/Computer..
Only thing that is needed for successful career in IT is that one has to have some analytical skills and common sense. Also if you have an aptitude for this kind of work it becomes even easier. Even a high school drop out can do it.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-04 03:31:30

Thanks for the tip. I am going to advise my daughter, who did graduate from HS, but is more linguistically and mathematically than academically oriented, to check out this field.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-04 03:38:24

P.S. Your comments hold true for music as well. I dropped out of music school before finishing my degree and have had a reasonably steady and flexible sideline occupation as a gig musician ever since.

Comment by talon
2013-07-04 07:43:04

I finished a doctorate in music, taught it in college for a number of years, and now I work in IT. So I guess it works both ways.

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-07-04 08:19:25

There is surprisingly a lot of ties between music and mathematics. by music, I mean the classical kind.

 
Comment by ahansen
2013-07-04 09:26:26

Music is the poetic side of math.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-07-04 09:48:36

Well put!

 
Comment by Combotechie
2013-07-04 09:58:12

Wiki-up “Pythagoras”.

 
Comment by ahansen
2013-07-04 13:32:28

Bila, Prof, drummin,

You guys might enjoy this thought-provoking paper relating mathematical constructs to the cosmology of harmonics. A little light summer reading while digesting that mid-summer BBQ.

Big Bang Acoustics:

http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~dmw8f/BBA_web/bba_home.html

 
 
 
 
Comment by Overtaxed
2013-07-04 04:30:54

“One does not need any special education/skill to work in IT field.”

The first part of this is certainly true, lots of guys I work with don’t have college degrees. There’s a bit of a glass ceiling, but it’s very high compared to other areas; there are lots of IT guys without degrees making 200+. The degree will help you get to management, but, if you have the skills, there’s no real degree requirement (never going to hurt though).

The 2nd part, unfortunately, is not, IMHO, true. You need a lot of special skills to work in IT. And those skills change all the time. 10 years ago, high end Microsoft skills were the “ticket”. You’d find a good job with an MCSE. 5 years ago, it was all Cisco (and, frankly, this hasn’t dropped off, high end network skills demand is still very heavy); CCNA/CCNP/CCIE. Today, it’s virtualization, or the VCP.

These skills are incredibly specialized; once you have one set it will make the next easier to get (there’s some overlap between networking, servers and storage) but, it’s a lot of credentialing. Would we hire someone without all the certs? Yes, absolutely. Would we hire someone with none (or very few)? Probably not. And, this is a significant investment of time and money; each cert is 1000’s of dollars for training (and/or lots of time if you do it self study) and days/weeks of work.

Now, if you spent the 4 years (and money) of “college time” getting a CCIE, VCP and NTAP/EMC certification, you’d could almost certainly land a 100K+ job almost immediately. It’s time consuming and expensive, but, compared to college, it looks like a bargain!

The only thing I would caution people with; you have to love IT/computers to be good at this. If you do it for the money, you’re going to hate it (see: Most Lawyers). And there’s so much retraining and ongoing testing/certification, you’re eventually going to burn out. I know a lot of people who got into the business the same time as I did who are now gone; they realized they hated computers, hated numbers/math and just wanted to do something else. I’d guess that about 25% of my graduating college class (comp sci) is still in the IT field; most have moved to something they like more (which in many cases pays less). Quite a few have gone back to college for a masters in something they really want to do (quite a few to become teachers).

Finally, the biggest thing that separates (in the few places I’ve worked) the people making 200K from those making 80K are people skills and being well-spoken/presentable. The “myth” of the IT genius locked in the back room, 200 lbs overweight and a case of Jolt cola cans on his desk isn’t a myth. It’s more the norm in IT. However, that guy makes 50K. The consultant who looks like he might be a banker/accountant/lawyer, can get other people to like, respect and listen to him, and can present materials to high level executives and have them listen (because they see him as “one of them”); that’s the guy who makes 200K.

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-04 07:43:59

“The “myth” of the IT genius locked in the back room, 200 lbs overweight and a case of Jolt cola cans on his desk isn’t a myth. It’s more the norm in IT. However, that guy makes 50K. The consultant who looks like he might be a banker/accountant/lawyer, can get other people to like, respect and listen to him, and can present materials to high level executives and have them listen (because they see him as “one of them”); that’s the guy who makes 200K.”

AMEN! People throw around “IT Worker” interchangeably. It would be like saying “medical worker” and lumping a neurosurgeon in with a nurse. Yeah they both work in a hospital and both treat patients. But their compensation is nowhere near the same. (and no I am not saying an IT consultant earns what a neurosurgeon earns)

Many of the high earning IT consultants WERE bankers or accountants or at least worked in some non-IT capacity before going the IT consulting route. And even the code monkeys who went into consulting, as you say, LOOK like they could be a banker or lawyer or CEO. And these are the people that can’t really be outsourced to India, like the code monkeys can.

 
Comment by drumminj
2013-07-04 08:51:03

Finally, the biggest thing that separates (in the few places I’ve worked) the people making 200K from those making 80K are people skills and being well-spoken/presentable.

Very true. If someone’s not personable/well-spoken, we won’t hire them, no matter how good they are technically. The reality is communication is required in the IT field (well, on the software side is from whence I can speak), but we need to be able to collaborate with each other, present our ideas in a coherent way to build consensus, resolve disagreements, work with marketing and design, and (gasp) customers! We fly all of our developers to our customer conference so they may interact and have a solid understanding of who are customers are, what they do with our product, and what their pain points are.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-07-04 09:26:36

And there’s so much retraining and ongoing testing/certification, you’re eventually going to burn out.

In the business of IT consulting, I’m sure that’s the case. But on the side of the business that I’m in (software development), I haven’t found that to be the case at all. I haven’t taken any professional tests since graduate school, and I have zero certifications.

Yet I have been gainfully employed writing software for 20+ years. I don’t toss around my comp info lightly, but I am pleased with it.

Comment by Overtaxed
2013-07-04 09:36:27

“In the business of IT consulting, I’m sure that’s the case. But on the side of the business that I’m in (software development), I haven’t found that to be the case at all.”

Fair enough, and very good point. I’m on the hardware and software side of the business, not the development side. I think the vendors all dream up 100 certs to make us go through to boost their bottom line. However, customers like/demand it, so, off to Prometric I go. ;)

On the dev side, I’d tend to agree with you, especially if you have a proven track record. The certs don’t really speak to your ability to come up with an innovate solution to a programming problem. As long as you show your proficient in the language, it’s really your past code/software that speaks for itself. I started on the software side and moved to hardware; but that was many years ago, so I’m a bit out of touch with it. Interesting to hear that it’s similar to when I was last coding.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-07-04 09:57:56

I think the vendors all dream up 100 certs to make us go through to boost their bottom line.

In your space, I can see how there might be a valid reason for certs: the vendors know that if the consultant who comes on-site doesn’t know the product well, and misconfigures it, it may fail or perform poorly such that the vendor is the one who ends up with a poor reputation.

it’s really your past code/software that speaks for itself.

Yep, exactly; nothing demonstrates competence like running code.

Interesting to hear that it’s similar to when I was last coding.

The more things change, the more they stay the same! I’m still writing system-software in C/C++, in spite of all the new languages, technologies, and certifications that have come and gone… :-)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by imaadesi
2013-07-04 03:25:13

I have seen folks making anywhere from 60K to 300K having same basic education/qualification depending on where and what product they are working on.

I work full time from home as full time employee for a fortune 500 company and my total compensation is around 200K. Although by education I am an engineer and perhaps could have been making more money if I stayed in my engineering field, I moved to IT because I enjoy it and I somehow have aptitude for this and it is sort of my hobby. So I am getting paid for pursuing my hobby.

The company where I have een has been outsourcing IT jobs for last 10 years and most likely we have around 60% of IT jobs outsourced either on shore or off shore. Fortunately I have been safe so far and I hope to remain so because what I do is not easily available and it is not cheap even in global market i.e. solve problems.

 
Comment by imaadesi
2013-07-04 03:26:20

I have seen folks making anywhere from 60K to 300K having same basic education/qualification depending on where and what product they are working on.

I work full time from home as full time employee for a fortune 500 company and my total compensation is around 200K. Although by education I am an engineer and perhaps could have been making more money if I stayed in my engineering field, I moved to IT because I enjoy it and I somehow have aptitude for this and it is sort of my hobby. So I am getting paid for pursuing my hobby.

 
Comment by imaadesi
2013-07-04 03:27:33

The company where I have been has been outsourcing IT jobs for last 10 years and most likely we have around 60% of IT jobs outsourced either on shore or off shore. Fortunately I have been safe so far and I hope to remain so because what I do is not easily available and it is not cheap even in global market i.e. solve problems.

Comment by ecofeco
2013-07-04 13:00:07

I have to ask: why the multiple posts?

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-04 03:39:50

Why is Egypt of significant concern to Wall Street?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-04 03:42:49

July 3, 2013, 8:41 a.m. EDT
Morsi repeated McCain’s error: Ignore the economy
Egyptian president failed to address the economic disaster
By Amotz Asa-El
Reuters

Protesters opposing Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi shout slogans against him and brotherhood members during a protest at Tahrir square in Cairo this weekend.

JERUSALEM (MarketWatch) — Whatever the destination of the millions now flooding Egypt’s cities, their verdict concerning President Mohammed Morsi is unambiguous: failed.

Even if he still clings to power for a while, as he remains determined to do, the embattled Islamist’s year in power will be recalled as one of the most spectacular crashes in political history. Aspiring leaders anywhere, but particularly in the politically awakening Arab world, should emerge from the drama on the Nile with our era’s most basic political dictum: Economics first, the rest second.

Morsi got it the other way around.

It’s the economy, brother

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-07-04 07:12:03

I’m sure there was discontent on many levels, but from what I’ve read, the army didn’t like the Egyptian MB call for jihad in Syria.

 
 
Comment by imaadesi
2013-07-04 03:48:07

I think egypt does not produce oil, so I think it is just another way for wall street to manipulate or decieve.

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-04 07:48:24

Dude, not EVERYTHING is a conspiracy.

Whenever there is chaos in the world, Wall St gets spooked because chaos = uncertainty. And markets hate uncertainty. It’s really that simple.

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-07-04 08:04:50

‘not EVERYTHING is a conspiracy’

Your posts remind me of this:

Argument Clinic from Monty Python

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkzjBfTDH20

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Comment by ahansen
2013-07-04 09:30:05

You notice no one argues with him when he refers to liberals as his “betters”….;-)

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-04 09:55:11

I thought there are no liberals here. Just independent centrist moderates who just happen to vote Democrat 99.98% of the time.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-07-04 10:35:45

‘no one argues with him when he refers to liberals as his “betters”

‘Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis)[1] is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property.’

‘In Europe and North America, classical liberalism became less popular and gave way to social liberalism,[11][12] the latter of which is commonly identified with the liberal socialism and social democracy[13] in Europe. The meaning of the word “liberalism” also began to diverge in different parts of the world. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, “In the United States, liberalism is associated with the welfare-state policies of the New Deal program of the Democratic administration of Pres. Franklin D. Roosevelt, whereas in Europe it is more commonly associated with a commitment to limited government and laissez-faire economic policies.’

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

‘civil rights, freedom of the press’

So on this Independence Day, shall we reflect on the devotion “liberals” are showing to civil rights and freedom of the press? Or human rights and peace? Oh boy, “liberals” in these united States are sure confused, sad pandas. But cheer up, because a Nobel Hypocrisy Prize was just created for your hero in the White House! And all you “liberals” that put him there can share in the glory.

 
Comment by Dirk Diggler
2013-07-04 17:59:44

Dear Ben, some time ago liberals called themselves “progressives” until that term developed a derogatory meaning.
That is when they started calling themselves “liberals”, a true hijacking of the true meaning of the term.(Libertarian).

 
Comment by non-conformist
2013-07-04 18:26:09

‘no one argues with him when he refers to liberals as his “betters”

The many time I have heard of liberals being referred to as “betters” it has been people like Rep. Diana DeGette who has been working on a high-capacity assault magazine ban for years, and has been deeply involved in the issue and wants everyone to think she knows better but in reality she doesn’t know WTF she is talking about.

I won’t get into betters Bloomberg and Biden, one who thought a semi auto rifle was full auto and the other who tells people to fire both barrels of a shotgun through the front door if they feel threatened.

Posted April 3, 2013, 10:10 am MT

As lead sponsor in House on gun legislation, Rep. Diana DeGette appears to not understand how they work

WASHINGTON — Democratic Rep. Diana DeGette has been the lead sponsor on a federal ban on high-capacity ammunition magazines in two Congresses, saying it’s one of her top priorities.

But Tuesday at a Denver Post forum on the gun control debate, the senior congresswoman from Denver appeared to not understand how guns work.

Asked how a ban on magazines holding more than 15 rounds would be effective in reducing gun violence, DeGette said:
“I will tell you these are ammunition, they’re bullets, so the people who have those know they’re going to shoot them, so if you ban them in the future, the number of these high capacity magazines is going to decrease dramatically over time because the bullets will have been shot and there won’t be any more available.”

What she didn’t appear to understand is that a magazine can be reloaded with more bullets

Clip: DeGette Magazine limit comment

Clip: DeGette “You’d probably be dead” comment

http://blogs.denverpost.com/thespot/2013/04/03/as-lead-sponsor-in-house-on-gun-legislation-rep-diana-degette-appears-to-not-understand-how-they-work/93506/ - 898k -

 
Comment by MightyMike
2013-07-04 20:58:52

That’s an interesting entry about the word liberal there from Wikipedia. They make a good point there about how the differences in how the word is used around the world. For example, in Canada the Liberal party is similar to the Democrats - it’s the large center-left party. On the other hand, in Australia the Liberal party is the main rightish pro-business party.

It’s also interesting that they associate liberalism in America with support for FDR’s New Deal legislation. The most important parts of the New Deal -such as Social Security, the FLSA (which established the minimum wage and banned children from working in dangerous jobs, among other things), unemployment insurance and deposit insurance - are all supported by pretty large majorities of the American people. So if we’re going to use that definition, America is a mostly liberal country.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-07-04 21:11:38

‘if we’re going to use that definition, America is a mostly liberal country’

So no more drone strikes on children, spying on reporters and people who aren’t suspected of a crime, no more undeclared wars, no more failure to prosecute wall street criminals because they are too big to fail? Right? Because we are all liberal now, everything is right and just? Right? Or is “liberal” just another false front the establishment uses while they screw us to the wall?

 
Comment by MightyMike
2013-07-04 23:25:30

The undeclared wars and the warrantless surveillance of Americans and so forth are all deplorable things. However, I was commenting on the text from the Wikipedia article, which mostly has to do with economic issues. I was trying to counter the notion that American liberals are some small group of people with views far from the mainstream of the population.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2013-07-04 04:30:47

Suez canal transit.

 
Comment by Combotechie
2013-07-04 06:24:56

“Why is Egypt of significant concern to Wall Street?”

Anything news can be of a significant concern to Wall Street if Wall Street deems it to be so.

The name of the game Wall Street plays is “Suck ‘em in, Shake ‘em out”.

Take some news and spin it one way and you’ll suck ‘em in. Take the same piece of news and spin it another way and you’ll shake ‘em out.

Rinse, repeat. Let not one dollar escape.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-04 03:46:58

Why can’t the bond market finish pricing in the end of QE3 and be done with it?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-04 03:55:47

It is mind-boggling to see markets freaking out over the prospect of a 10-year T-bond yield at 3%.

July 3, 2013, 12:24 p.m. EDT
Big bond firms brace for higher yields
MarketWatch survey: Many strategists see yields climbing to 2.75%
By Ben Eisen, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — A majority of fixed-income strategists expect yields on the 10-year Treasury note to rise by the end of the year, according to a MarketWatch survey of over a dozen big brokerages and bond funds.

But a substantial number expect yields to remain level or retrace lower, as the bond market emerges from a tumultuous quarter and as the Federal Reserve begins to inch its way out of an easy monetary policy that had, until recently, held down yields and kept volatility at bay.

The 10-year note yield serves as a benchmark, helping guide interest rates globally from mortgages to junk bonds. As yields rise, the trajectory directly impacts borrowing that fuels the housing market and broader economic recovery.

Strategists shared projections for where the 10-year Treasury yield will move from its trading level of 2.48% on July 3.

“It’s data-dependent,” said Peter Fisher, senior director at BlackRock Investment Institute. He believes the 10-year Treasury yield could end the year close to its current levels if the pace of the economic recovery continues as is. But if unemployment falls faster than expected, the yield could continue its charge toward 3%, he said.

The 10-year Treasury note yield traded at 2.48% on Wednesday.

Since Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke signaled in May that the central bank could begin tapering the pace of its bond-purchase program later this year, he and other Fed officials have reinforced that the Fed’s decision will be based on economic data. That has honed the market’s attention on economic releases.

MarketWatch made an informal survey of well-respected funds and brokerages with specialties in the fixed-income sector. The most popular target on the 10-year note yield cited in the survey was 2.75%, which assumes economic data continue to improve at the current pace.

“We currently expect to end the year at 2.75%. That would be conditioned on tapering of [quantitative easing] in September, signs that the economic recovery is continuing and that inflation doesn’t fall too low for comfort,” said Zach Pandl, senior interest-rate strategist at Columbia Management.

A rise to 2.75% would saddle government-debt investors with modest losses over the next six months on a total-return basis. But it wouldn’t recreate the carnage that sent yields up 64 basis points in the second quarter.

“There’s potential for weakness and continued outflows, and that’s especially true if the Fed doesn’t change its guidance,” said Ira Jersey, interest-rate strategist with Credit Suisse Group AG, who also projects a 2.75% close to the year.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-04 04:03:00

Markets
Why the Markets Misread Bernanke

The Federal Reserve chairman’s news conference a week ago was widely seen as a signal that the Fed is preparing to wean the economy off easy money. Not so, Capital columnist David Wessel argues. Photo: AP.

Comment by azdude
2013-07-04 06:39:31

most of the printed money is sitting in the accounts of the primary dealers @ the FED. Bank reserves are around 2 trillion and they are getting .25% interest to keep that money parked.

How are they going to keep that money from entering the system?

Are you black listed as a primary dealer if you pull your money?

 
 
Comment by azdude
2013-07-04 05:33:27

QE to the moon!!!!

Are you feeling wealthier thanks to the bernak?

If printing money made people wealthy the whole world would be rich.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-07-04 10:19:44

even if QE tapers, it still does not mean credit stopped expanding. Credit will continue expanding for many years and come back with double digit inflation. I predict no tapering until 2015.

 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-04 03:57:16

Is gold taking a breather from its June swoon?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-04 04:01:13

It seems as though bad economic developments in diverse corners of the globe are a great source of price support for gold.

July 4, 2013, 5:39 a.m. EDT
Gold fails to hold early advances
By Carla Mozee, MarketWatch

LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch) — Gold prices dipped on Thursday in electronic trade, as the precious metal failed to hold early gains that were sparked by the unrest in Egypt and political troubles in Portugal.

Gold for August delivery shed 0.2%, to $1,249.50 an ounce. The move puts a small dent in Wednesday’s jump of $8.50, or 0.7%, on the Comex division of the New York Mercantile Exchange.

Investors found safety in gold on Wednesday as Egypt’s military pressured President Mohammed Morsi to step down and later led his ouster from office.

Early Thursday, Egypt swore in Adly Mansour as interim leader.

Separately, a worse-than-expected reading on June activity in the U.S. services sector and a surge in borrowing costs for Portugal after the resignation of two government officials also provided upside support for gold, whose prices have been battered this year.

“The jump in Portuguese yields is reminiscent of previous euro-zone crises, which proved to be very positive for gold,” HSBC analyst James Steel wrote in a report Wednesday.

The yield on Portugal’s 10-year government bond jumped to more than 8% for the first time since last November on Wednesday, according to Tradeweb, following the resignations in Portugal of Finance Minister Vitor Gaspar and Foreign Affairs Minister Paulo Portas. The yield was around 7.2% on Thursday.

Recurrent euro-zone crises from 2009-2011 had a markedly bullish impact on gold as events encouraged capital flows into U.S. Treasuries and lowered U.S. yields,” said Steel. “This helps explain why gold rallied despite [U.S. dollar] strength.”

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-07-04 08:25:22

Spaced apart investments into GDXJ every seven weeks are my plan for now. Very recently 80% off its high.

Also have to find a different coin shop now in the OC where I could buy fractionals. Found a shop in Laguna Beach, but 1) they do not sell fractionals and 2) they have much higher premiums than the L.A. coin shop where I have been a customer for ten years.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-07-04 09:49:09

Also have to find a different coin shop now in the OC where I could buy fractionals.

Why do you want fractionals at all? Aren’t the spreads on buy/sell higher on those than 1oz coins?

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-07-04 10:07:34

Yes but at these lower prices, the actual spread, not percentage, is lower than when gold was above $1800 spot. Lots of long time gold buyers buy fractionals when gold is down, but buy one ounce coins when gold prices charge up.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-07-04 10:31:03

Yes but at these lower prices, the actual spread, not percentage, is lower

As someone investing, shouldn’t you be most concerned about transactions costs to enter/exit a position as a percentage of the dollar-amount invested?

I still don’t get it…

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-07-04 10:34:17

Another good reason for fractionals: easier to sell at, say, swap meets or whatever, to people who might have the cash for a tenth ounce, but no cash for a one ounce.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-07-04 10:38:12

Easier to buy TP with when TSHTF.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-07-04 13:19:48

KGC (Kinross Gold Corporation). Ontario, Canada. 9,000 employees, $5 billion market cap.

Book value per share: $8.70 Wednesday’s closing price: $5.06.

52 week high: $11.20

Dividend: 0.16, roughly 3.16%

NEM (Newmont Mining Corp), out of Greenwood Vlg, Colorado. 16,000 employees; $14.4 billion market cap

Book Value per share: $27.94. Wednedsy’s closing price: $29.02

52 week high: $57.93
Dividend: 1.4, roughly 4.8%

Meanwhile temporary staffing company stocks enjoy all time highs. But the delay in the ObamaScare mandate knocked down the prices somewhat. If the mandate is totally removed (and I think very likely), the staffing stocks will plummet.

Sell staffing company stocks. Buy mining stocks!

:)

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-07-04 13:21:16

Barrick Gold (ABX) looks even more attractive!

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-07-04 13:58:23

I put a buy limit on Barrick at $11.00 - Yes I think there is a likelihood of mining stocks falling further the next 60 days. But I think a reversal is in store.

Keeping a vigil!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-04 04:04:45

Are rising mortgage rates having any noticeable effect on the housing market?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-04 04:06:50

Rise in mortgage rates cuts into home buyer demand
An empty post where a ”for sale” sign used to hang is seen outside a home in Brentwood, New York February 10, 2012. REUTERS/Shannon Stapleton
NEW YORK | Wed Jul 3, 2013 11:59am EDT

(Reuters) - Expectations the Federal Reserve will slow its economic stimulus program by the end of the year pushed mortgage rates higher last week, sapping demand from potential home buyers, data from an industry group showed on Wednesday.

Rates measured by the Mortgage Bankers Association jumped to the highest level since July 2011, which also cut into refinance activity. The share of refinance applications fell to the lowest level in more than two years.

Interest rates on fixed 30-year mortgage surged 12 basis points to average 4.58 percent in the week ended June 28, the MBA said.

“At these rates, many fewer homeowners have an incentive to refinance,” Mike Fratantoni, MBA’s vice president of research and economics, said in a statement.

“Purchase application volume also declined, but not nearly to the same extent, as affordability remains strong.”

Comment by brother_jimmy
2013-07-04 09:19:00

For the first time this year, I’ve received a “price reduced” notification. still seems to be a flip about 40k overpriced.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-04 04:11:58

As Mortgage Rates Rise, Homebuyers Face New Dilemma
by July 02, 2013 4:30 PM
4 min 24 sec

A recent spike in mortgage rates has created a new predicament for potential homebuyers: Forge ahead and try to lock in now? Or hold off?

Dhruv Gupta was quoted a 3.5 percent rate in May while searching for a place to buy in the San Francisco area. Less than two months later, he’s looking at 5.2 percent for the same loan. But this trend has not deterred Gupta.

“It’s a fact of life,” he says. “I mean I can’t control them, so what do you do?”

Over the weekend, Gupta bit the bullet and put a down payment on a two-bedroom condo in Oakland. It’s so hard to find anything available and in his price range, he says, so he just went for it. He hopes rates will decline again, and that he’ll be able to refinance. But for now, Gupta doesn’t know how he feels about his decision.

“I’m more anxious than excited because of the commitment,” he says.

Downstate in Temecula, Juan Johnson has had the opposite reaction to the market. “I learned that the interest rates had changed significantly enough where it made me reconsider my offer,” he says.

He was in the process of making an offer on a house when his loan officer told him rates had suddenly jumped half a percentage point from the last quote he’d received.

“I was shocked,” Johnson says. “You know, I said, ‘You’ve got to be kidding me right?’ And he said, ‘Nope … and they’re supposed to continue to rise.‘ ”

It was challenging enough trying to find a home his family likes, Johnson says, much less compete against investors making cash offers. Now, he’s battling interest rates too.

“Bummed would be a, uh, a kind way to put it,” Johnson says.

So, while Gupta jumped in, Johnson held back. Those differing reactions are reflected in the data as well. On one hand, the Mortgage Bankers Association says purchase applications rose 7 percent between early May and last week. But, according to the real estate website Redfin, the number of clients making offers declined more than 10 percent from May to June. Fewer people are requesting home tours, as well.

 
Comment by azdude
2013-07-04 05:34:50

neighbor listed their debt shack last night. Paid 200k last year. We will see what the list price is soon. I bet around 300k.

 
 
Comment by non-conformist
2013-07-04 04:33:15

“Things are going to get a lot worse before they get worse.”

Lily Tomlin

 
Comment by non-conformist
2013-07-04 04:56:53

Read More: The New American Dream: Part-Time Job, Apartment)

Comment by polly
2013-07-04 05:40:48

Is there supposed to be a link for this?

Comment by azdude
2013-07-04 05:54:26
Comment by Combotechie
2013-07-04 07:27:35

(From the article:)

First it says this:

“As part of the staggered introduction fo the Affordable Care Act, from the start of 2014 employers with more than 50 employees will be fined $2,000 per employee if they fail to offer health insurance to full time workers.”

So what is an employer to do? Read more:

“Anecdotal evidence suggests that some retailers and restaurant chains have already started to limit employees to working 30 hours per week.”

This for employers with 50 or more full time workers.

There are two variables here:

1. The number 50 and

2. The term “full time employee”.

If an employer pays attention to either 1 or 2 then he just may save himself from paying a fine. And also save himself from paying the cost of health insurance.

“Never understimate the power of incentives.” - Charlie Munger

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Comment by Combotechie
2013-07-04 07:37:45

This magical number, 50, could really be disasterous for an employer in that the cost of having employees can really jump through the roof if this number is exceeded.

Note: The cost doesn’t just jump through the roof for just the fifty-first employee, the cost jumps through the roof for ALL the employees.

 
Comment by 2banana
2013-07-04 07:39:06

Or taxes…

“Never understimate the power of incentives.” - Charlie Munger

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-04 08:05:35

So basically any company with 49 employees will never hire more employees and any company with 55 or fewer employees will find ways to cut that down to 49.

VIVA OBAMA!!
SI SE PUEDE!!

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-04 08:09:18

The silver lining in all of this for me is the fact hat the brain dead morons working in fast food who voted for Obama (he did win 80% of the high school dropout vote) are the ones going to be most hurt by this. You wanted change, you’re getting it.

 
Comment by Combotechie
2013-07-04 08:23:48

“So basically any company with 49 employees will never hire more employees and any company with 55 or fewer employees will find ways to cut that down to 49.”

The number is actually 50 and the term “full time” needs to be thrown in but in essence you are correct.

A company that wants to expand past this 50-full-time-employee hurdle will have a lot of head winds facing it.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-04 08:41:19

Right. The number is 50. So a company with 49 FTEs will do everything it can to never hire a 50th FTE. This is so weird though since Obama/Pelosi swore up and down Obamacare would help small businesses and create millions of new jobs. You don’t suppose they were lying do you?

 
Comment by Combotechie
2013-07-04 08:44:31

The number is not 49, it is 50. The number 50 needs to be EXCEEDED for the extra costs to take effect.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-04 08:46:04

Fine whatever. Then any company with 50 will do everything it can do avoid hiring a 51st. You’re playing semantic games and ignoring the bigger picture which is Obamacare is going to strangle small and mid sized businesses.

 
Comment by Combotechie
2013-07-04 08:47:00

“You don’t suppose they werer lying do you?”

I don’t think it was thought through. Unintended consequences and such.

 
Comment by Combotechie
2013-07-04 08:48:50

“You’re playing semantic games …”

No, I am not. I’m trying to use the correct number.

 
Comment by polly
2013-07-04 08:54:38

The rule has been suspended for a year.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-04 08:56:06

“I don’t think it was thought through. Unintended consequences and such.”

But I thought Obama was the smartest man to ever live. You mean to tell me he didn’t envision companies who face $100K penalty for hiring a 51st employee would stop hiring? Odd.

 
Comment by polly
2013-07-04 08:56:58

http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/opponents-of-obamacare-predict-a-hiring-boom

Opponents of Obamacare Predict a Hiring Boom
Wednesday, 03 July 2013 04:02

That’s what they would expect if they ever took their own arguments seriously. The claim that the bill was a job-killer hinged on the notion that the penalties applied to firms with more than 50 workers who did not provide insurance would discourage hiring. The penalties also supposedly encouraged firms to reduce hours since they only applied to workers who worked more than 30 hours a week.

The economy should have already been seeing the negative impact of these requirements (contrary to what is implied in this NYT article) since the penalty provision was supposed to take effect in 2014 based on employment in 2013. This means that if the penalties actually were affecting hiring, then we should soon see a hiring boom as firms need no longer fear being over the 50 worker threshold in 2013. (They need not worry about this year’s hiring pushing them over the cutoff for next year. Roughly 3 percent of the workforce leaves their job every month (roughly half voluntarily and half involuntarily), so if hires in 2013 pushed employers above the threshold, they would have little difficulty getting back under the 50 worker threshold in 2014.

This means that the delay of the imposition of the penalty provides a great test of the extent to which the Affordable Care Act really is a job killer. Anyone taking bets on the size of the hiring surge in the second half of 2013?

 
Comment by Combotechie
2013-07-04 09:26:17

“This means if the penalities were actually affecting hiring, then we should soon see a hiring boom as firms no longer fear being over the 50 worker threshold in 2013.”

But what about afterwards? If a business was a short-time affair then business decisions made for only a short time would not have to be concerned about what happens after 2013.

But most business aren’t planned to be short-term affairs (they may end up that way but not because they were planned that way). And if they are planned to last well past 2013 then information about costs need to be considered and incorporated into their long-term plans. This is tough to do if a costly rule is written and then suspended.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-04 09:38:08

It is patently obvious Polly has never run a business and neither has anyone writing for cepr.net

 
Comment by Combotechie
2013-07-04 09:54:07

IMO this rule would end up pushing a lot of low-wage jobs across the border into Mexico. Not the high-wage jobs, just the low wage ones. And not all the low-wage jobs, just the ones where the number of full-time employees exceed 50.

The factory-type jobs.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-04 10:00:22

“IMO this rule would end up pushing a lot of low-wage jobs across the border into Mexico. Not the high-wage jobs, just the low wage ones. And not all the low-wage jobs, just the ones where the number of full-time employees exceed 50.

The factory-type jobs.”

AKA, Obama’s base.

May they all feel nothing but pain and misfortune for decades to come.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2013-07-04 13:06:40

““Anecdotal evidence suggests that some retailers and restaurant chains have already started to limit employees to working 30 hours per week.””

Where I live, there are hardly any restaurant or retail employees who work more than 30 hours.

Only management works 40+ hours and it’s been that way ever since I can remember. (decades)

 
 
 
Comment by non-conformist
2013-07-04 06:34:48

“Is there supposed to be a link for this?”

No. :)

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-07-04 08:32:28

I read that a few weeks ago. Now I am thinking Obamacare will never happen and businesses will revert to hiring directs.

Before we get there, temps flooding the market will better go 1099 and avoid con-w2. Recruiters are chiseling the con-w2s because there are so many of them, that enough newbies will be willing to take an hourly rate that is very low.

If you go 1099 you avoid the middleman, have your own corporation, and take huge tax breaks. You charge a client less than a staffing company charges the same client, and you don’t get your earnings siphoned off to the staffi g company.

Gotta run (jog).

Comment by ecofeco
2013-07-04 13:07:58

There is no 1099 for J6P.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-07-04 14:35:37

Wrong. Anyone can start his own LLC or Chapter S.

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Comment by ecofeco
2013-07-04 17:01:28

Of course they can, but J6P jobs are either outsourced or switched to temp/staffing agencies and contracting is no calk walk when it comes to getting clients.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-07-04 17:32:20

As Smithers demonstrates, it is all about the art of negotiation. It takes a high social intelligence quotient to negotiate effectively.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by spook
2013-07-04 05:39:09

Ive been watching the Zimmerman trail and I have a question for the HBB big brains:

In these types of cases, would the prosecution be willing to fault the police department if it would help prove the defendants guilt?

The reason I ask is because it seems like a move most prosecutors would be unwilling to take since they rely heavily on the police department for evidence, records… and would not want to damage the credibility of the organization?

Also, it is my opinion that Trayvon Martins lack of identification on his person worked in George Zimmermans favor. I suspect the Sanford PDs response to zimmerman’s story would have been much more skeptical if they knew the dead black male was walking home when he was killed.

For this I fault the father (mom gets a pass because women are unaccountable in this culture). Its a well known criminal tactic to avoid carrying ID. Many criminals have warrants out for their arrest and know if detained, they can often stall long enough to make the cop “give up”, by providing a fake name, fake address… (my brother twice used my name).

I think this really helped Zimmerman in his initial interactions with the Sanford PD, and also justified the subsequent weak investigation (dead black males with no ID are a common occurrence)

By the time they discovered it was a neighborhood kid going home, it was too late, and they had to go into “damage control” in order to justify what they did and failed to do.

Black parents need to explain in clear detail to their black male children the importance of carrying STATE ISSUED identification. The discussion needs to start at the age of 12.

Most black parents are too embarrassed to have this conversation (mine never did, nor did my black male friends); they need to “grow up” and put their ego in check. Other wise, they run the risk of their child ending up in what Quentin Tarrantino refers to as the “dead n—er storage area”.

In addition, they need a job too. Preferably working for some credible white people; there is no better alibi for a young black male when you get called upon to account for your movements and/or location.

And last but not least, although as a crime victim myself, I feel sorry for Zimmerman and understand his frustration. He needs to stop lying and come clean about his actions that night. I have now come full circle and back to my initial “gut feeling”: Zimmerman’s attempt to detain Martin was the pretext for the shooting that followed.

The screams on the neighbors 911 call are NOT the ones of a man who knew he was carrying a 9mm semi automatic.

Is it too late for Zimmerman to claim they were fighting over the gun?

Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-07-04 06:40:45

would the prosecution be willing to fault the police department if it would help prove the defendants guilt?

They’re doing it now. Many of the lawyers observing the case have said that the prosecution is almost forced to treat the police as hostile witnesses, since the police chose not to charge Zimmerman.

A question for our libertarians (or anyone else): Should we all carry state-issued ID at all times, and does any and every citizen have the right to demand we show it to them?

Comment by Resistor
2013-07-04 10:30:35

“A question for our libertarians”

LOL. I love it when you do this –

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-07-04 10:36:01

I guess I’ve stumped them.

Comment by Combotechie
2013-07-04 10:39:53

Or bored them.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-07-04 10:54:05

lol

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you…

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-07-04 11:35:43

Should we all carry state-issued ID at all times, and does any and every citizen have the right to demand we show it to them?

Sounds like a police state… Is that what you want?

I have no problem with the kid not having ID on him.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-07-04 11:48:34

Is that what you want?

No, I don’t.

What should a “neighborhood watch” person, or any one else, be allowed to demand of you as you walk down the street?

 
Comment by prayer walker
2013-07-04 12:13:34

I haven’t payed much attention to the trial but my feeling is this will be a mistrial and the soap opera continues for another few years. That’s what the media wants anyway.

Spook and others are right….there should have been a charge from the get to. Come on….a person carrying no weapons got shot….there’s got to be some kind of charge for that.

We are where we are. Democrats and media have made it pretty much a race issue. Zimmerman a white man, please give me a fooking break!

There will be race riots if Zimmerman walks free but all these women jurors they will just kick the can one more time.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-07-04 13:10:06

What should a “neighborhood watch” person, or any one else, be allowed to demand of you as you walk down the street?

That’s obvious: nothing. He is just a citizen, and I am just a citizen. Depending on the state, there might be citizen’s arrest laws on the books, but I would expect that to apply only in the case that a law had demonstrably been broken.

In this case, with the accusation just being “appearing suspicious”, those would not apply.

Of course, that would all change, and a felony would be in progress, as soon as I took a swing at him, or started banging the “neighborhood watch” person’s head on the pavement.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2013-07-04 13:11:42

It’s become a race issue because it is. I know a few people who lived in Standford and they say it is one of the most racist places they have ever lived.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-07-04 13:12:38

Come on….a person carrying no weapons got shot….there’s got to be some kind of charge for that.

If you ignore both the law and the totality of the circumstances—sure, makes sense.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-07-04 13:38:32

the totality of the circumstances

Isn’t the totality that if Zimmerman hadn’t voluntarily pursued Treyvon- against the advice of the 911 operator- then there wouldn’t have been a death?

That seems like manslaughter to me, at the least.

 
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-07-04 15:18:56

Alpha:

So what does a citizen do when suspicious activity occurs? Ignore it? Let someone else be robbed, raped, or killed? Neighborhood watch is there by a reason. Besides, you know the watchmen are elected by the neighbors, right?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-07-04 15:43:40

Ignore it?

The police say report it to them and stand back- the same advice given to Zim- which, if he had followed it, an apparently innocent teenage boy would still be alive.

Obviously, if someone is being raped or murdered, you can step in and stop it, with armed force if need be, but the crime has to be occurring, you can’t just have the suspicion it might occur.

Zim had reported his suspicions, and been told to do no more and let the police handle it. That was enough, he had done his job. The neighborhood is probably going to get its patootie sued off, I bet they wish Zim had followed the 911 operator’s advice.

Does being elected to neighborhood watch give you extra authority over fellow citizens? Suddenly you’re allowed to chase down anyone you deem suspicious, demand to know what they are doing? You just said that people didn’t have the right to do such things.

 
Comment by non-conformist
2013-07-04 16:05:46

“Come on….a person carrying no weapons got shot….there’s got to be some kind of charge for that.”

Friend of Boston bomber was unarmed when shot by FBI

A Chechen man shot dead by the FBI during questioning on his links to the Boston Marathon bombers was unarmed, The Washington Post has reported.

By AFP
2:27AM BST 30 May 2013

But a law enforcement official told the Post that Todashev had lunged at the FBI agent and overturned the table, but had neither a gun nor a knife.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10088159/Friend-of-Boston-bomber-was-unarmed-when-shot-by-FBI.html -

 
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-07-04 16:13:53

Alpha:

The police dispatcher repeatedly asked Zimmerman where Martin was. Zimmerman could not have answered that question without following Martin.

I don’t think neighborhood watchmen have extra authority, but we shouldn’t fault them for watching. I think the neighborhood election process (while informal and inconsistent) should at least give the watchman a feeling that he is more than just a snoop.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-07-04 17:20:02

should at least give the watchman a feeling that he is more than just a snoop.

And how many snoops and their checkpoints do I have to contend with as I walk across town to get some skittles? Or go for a jog or bike ride?

Do I have to show them all ID? What if they don’t believe my story? Can they arrest me?

 
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-07-04 18:29:55

No, they can’t ask for your ID or arrest you. You don’t have to talk to them if you don’t want.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-07-04 18:39:35

You don’t have to talk to them if you don’t want.

I hope they are aware of that and respect my rights, better than Zim respected Treyvon’s right to do so. Or does running away signal ‘game on’?

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-07-04 20:37:26

‘respect my rights, better than Zim respected Treyvon’s right’

So says the fascist, racist who is all for Obama killing hundreds of children with drones.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-07-04 21:14:28

Do I have to show them all ID? What if they don’t believe my story? Can they arrest me?

You are free to ignore him, and go about your business.

You are NOT free to jump him, punch him, knock him down, climb on top of him, and bang his head on the pavement.

See the difference?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-07-05 04:58:06

You are NOT free to jump him, punch him, knock him down, climb on top of him, and bang his head on the pavement.

That’s the trouble with an incident like this. The dead guy can’t tell his side of the story. And the living guy was apparently well aware of what he had to say to make it sound like self-defense.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-07-05 07:36:24

That’s the trouble with an incident like this. The dead guy can’t tell his side of the story.

True enough—but you also can’t convict the living guy over what you imagine that the dead guy might say if he were alive. The courts are supposed to accept only evidence.

And in this case, one of the best eye-witnesses was very clear that Trayvon was on top of Martin when the shot occurred.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-07-05 13:42:47

was very clear that Trayvon was on top of Martin when the shot occurred.

That’s why the Stand Your Ground laws are often called “License to start a fight and shoot if you start losing”.

And this witness, are they perhaps someone who lives in the neighborhood that’s going to get its patootie sued off? Might make them not so impartial. (Not to mention the notorious unreliability of eyewitnesses to fast moving crimes. Google it.)

 
 
 
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-07-04 15:12:52

If you are acting abnormally, the police have the right to ask you who you are and what you’re doing. If you respond with an abnormal answer, they have the right to ask for your ID. Then they can check and see if there are any warrants against you. If you don’t have ID, then they have the right to frisk you. I think this is a gray area, since it blurs the lines between habeas corpus and necessary police activity. However, there is no law that requires you to have a state ID.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2013-07-04 07:37:01

Or maybe it could boil down to that this is a politically motivated DA trying to score political points on a very, very poor case.

A case so bad that even the police don’t buy into it.

And you keep talking “black parents should do this and that…”

An ever growing and more powerful government has destroyed the black family (and will soon destroy it for all other races). There ain’t no parents there to do the talking.

Percentages for black children (64 percent) … The percentage of children living with their mother without a father present varied widely among race and origin …

http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/​children/​cb11-117.html

Comment by spook
2013-07-04 08:51:08

Comment by 2banana
2013-07-04 07:37:01

Or maybe it could boil down to that this is a politically motivated DA trying to score political points on a very, very poor case.
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This is why I ask the question about the connection between the DA and the police department?

It took a long time (2 or 3 weeks?) for the TMs family to get the Sanford PD to release Zimmermans call AND the call with the screams in the background; why?

Seems to me the Sanford PD “set the table” for your so called “politically motivated DA trying to score political points…”

Not only does Zimmerman’s initial non emergency call give insight into his “frame of mind”; its also a timeline that can be compared to his written and spoken statements to investigators.

The Sanford PD attempted to withhold this information from the family.

WHY?

Im not saying it is due to racism; but the dynamics produced a similar outcome. A HOMEOWNER shot and killed a suspicious young black male, whom he claims attacked him, walking around in the rain at night with no ID.

*he don’t belong here, he’s up to no good, he’s on drugs…*

Im waiting to find out when the Sanford PD realized Trayvon was staying right down the street. Specifically Im wondering if it was an “oh sh-t!” moment?

What do you think would have happened if the DA took no action?

Comment by ahansen
2013-07-04 10:04:30

The DA DID “take no action” and 2 million people marched in NYC to demand “justice for Trayvon”. Even the President weighed in and expressed empathy. There is no way this case could NOT have come to trial.

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Comment by 2banana
2013-07-04 10:30:55

You are correct about that.

After obama and the democrats politicized this case there was no way this case could not have come to trail.

No matter how poor a case it was.

And the ramifications of a “not guilty” verdict will be immense.

All for some democrat talking points.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-07-04 10:32:45

The DA DID “take no action” and 2 million people marched in NYC to demand “justice for Trayvon”.

Justice as a political process? That disgraceful, imo.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-07-04 10:49:09

All for some democrat talking points.

Like making it safe for a teenager to walk down the street without getting pursued and shot by a self-appointed law officer?

 
Comment by spook
2013-07-04 11:07:52

Im not a lawyer, but the way I see it, law enforcement took a gamble that nobody would really care about this dead young blk male, probably with a criminal record…; so why don’t we just make this an open and shut case…

A lot of criminals are indigent(sp?) the fact that this one is dead just means one less thug we gotta keep our eyes on…

Dead blk criminals (prostitutes, drug dealers…) with no ID don’t spend time in “lost and found” because their prints are on file from previous arrests.

But if you are killed with no ID, and no criminal record and nobody cares to advocate for you…

Why should the state make a big deal about you?

Everybody needs to ask themselves this question: If you were the DA and you knew the tapes existed; would you help the Sanford PD withhold them? or work to get them release?

Personally, I would only withhold them in order to destroy them. I would not want those tapes “out there” possibly to be used by someone who wants to call in a favor on me.

The DA didn’t really have a choice; sooner or later those tapes were gonna come out.

*these assholes always get away*

except this time.

 
Comment by polly
2013-07-04 14:52:08

My recollection is that the police that responded originally did want to charge Zimmerman and that it was someone from the prosecutor’s office who nixed it - not because they thought that no one would care about a young black man, but because as far as they were concerned the stand your ground law meant that as long as the guy who did the shooting was capable of saying that he felt threatened, the shooting was justified under that law and nobody could do anything about it. The original problem was with the interpretation of the law. Not that racism couldn’t have been part of it, it could have been. But that it was pretty clear that no prosecutors in Florida had tried to figure out the proper interpretation of the fairly new law - and weren’t planning on it.

As for the connection between the cops and the prosecutors office, the prosecutors need the cops, but the cops need the prosecutors even more. They want the people they catch convicted. The DAs office can decide to drop the charges or plead out to a very minor charge if they decide they don’t like the case the cops bring to them. It is only very rarely that they have to bring a case they aren’t nearly certain of winning because of politics or any other reason.

In addition, there is very little good a prosecutor can do by making the cops look bad. The defense can raise reasonable doubt by showing that some evidence was collected badly or not handled properly. It is almost impossible for the prosecutor to prove that something else that supports his case would have been available if the cops hadn’t been incompetent - at least not in support of a case that can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. You have to remember the differences in the burden of proof.

Spook, I get your point about it being a good idea for young black men to carry government ID so they have something to show if they get stopped for walking/standing/picking nose/whatever while black, but the fact that it is a good idea doesn’t mean it should be mandatory. I think a bunch of people mistook your comment for an idea for a rule, not just an illustration of what parents should tell their sons.

 
 
 
 
Comment by ahansen
2013-07-04 09:59:06

Mr. Zimmerman DID claim that Mr. Martin first saw, then lunged for his gun while straddling Zimmerman. And just because you’re armed doesn’t mean you might not be reluctant to shoot someone who’s beating on you. Please explain why Martin would be uttering blood-curdling screams for help while (as has been testified by three witnesses) he was sitting on Zimmerman and smashing his head repeatedly into the sidewalk? Screaming in anger, perhaps, but not in a tone that suggests fear for one’s life.

I’ve been transfixed by this trial as well, staying up into the “fair access” hours every night to watch the feed on my cruddy ISP. What I’ve seen so far is noting so much as the end result of bad judgment, a clash of cultures, deadly presumptions.

Watching this exact same dynamic being replayed in the media and in their various comments sections, is both a sobering civics lesson and a heartbreaking demonstration of human nature.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-07-04 10:59:08

I think Zimmerman will walk. They probably should have gone for manslaughter, which is what it really was- at least.

He will get crushed in civil court, though. The neighborhood might too, that part will be interesting.

Comment by non-conformist
2013-07-04 14:46:29

“They probably should have gone for manslaughter,”

+1

IMHO none of this should have been about who jumped who or who feared for their life. It should have been about why the confrontation happened in the first place and would Mr. Zimmerman have been quite so ready make sure the kid didn’t “get away* if he didn’t have a 9mm in his pocket.

Personally I think he stays in his car if he’s not packin’ cause from the looks of the pictures he sure as hell can’t fight with his hands.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-07-04 11:37:30

The screams on the neighbors 911 call are NOT the ones of a man who knew he was carrying a 9mm semi automatic.

Horse-pucky.

If someone was on top of me, beating me, and banging my head on the pavement, I would scream like a little girl—regardless of whether I had a firearm on me or not. At close quarters, I would have no idea whether I would be able to successfully draw the weapon, point it, and fire it, or whether it would have a higher chance of being used against me.

Screaming in the hopes of attracting the attention of potential witnesses would be the smartest thing to do.

Comment by spook
2013-07-04 19:24:25

If someone was on top of me, beating me, and banging my head on the pavement, *snip* At close quarters, I would have no idea whether I would be able to successfully draw the weapon, point it, and fire it,
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You bring up another good question/s. Have you tried to get your holstered firearm from your waist while someone is straddling you?

with their knees and legs against your sides?

Also, Do you realize you can retard the ability of someone to bash your head on the ground by simply not lifting your head?

Think about Zimmerman’s description of the “attack”. He tried to cover all the bases:

According to Zimmerman, Trayvon took the “ground and pound” position and proceeded to:

1. Punch Zimmerman in the face repeatably.

2. Cover Zimmerman’s nose AND MOUTH.

3. Bash Zimmerman’s head into the concrete repeatably.

Trayvon did all that without getting any Zimmerman blood or DNA under his finger nails?

WTF?

Zimmerman’s description sounds like a cartoon.

Im surprised he didn’t claim Trayvon bit him, grabbed his nuts…?

(((shakin my head)))

BTW, ground and pound is over rated because it gets people to punch themselves out. After a flurry of 6 or 7 swings, the average guy has no more power in his punches. He may be connecting, but he ain’t doing no damage.

Comment by Michael Viking
2013-07-04 19:59:34

Trayvon did all that without getting any Zimmerman blood or DNA under his finger nails?

WTF?

I didn’t realize that ground and pound included scratching. I’m pretty sure I could punch your face an awful lot before I got blood under my fingernails.

I heard it was a witness for the prosecution who said it looked like ground and pound. Did I hear wrong?

After 6 or 7 swings the average guy doesn’t do any more damage? LOL. You can retard somebody’s ability to bash your head simply by not lifting it up? More LOL. You realize it’s pretty easy to pick up a head that’s being punched in a situation like this, right? You haven’t done much fighting, have you? But I guess I’m not average, because I could punch you hard in the face for 12 rounds.

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Comment by spook
2013-07-04 20:25:51

Gun question here:

Zimmerman appears to be left handed (signing documents, writing…)

But in the videotape interview with the detective, he demonstrates reaching for and grabbing his firearm with his right hand from a holster on the right side of his waist.

Is this because he has a right handed gun?

I asked because I assume a person should use their dominant hand for their fire arm?

What is the reason a left handed person would holster their hand gun on the right side of their body?

 
Comment by ahansen
2013-07-04 23:30:44

Holster at the waist? More likely under the armpit for concealed carry.

Addressing the “we don’t need you to do that” instruction from the dispatcher:

This is standard police CYA-speak for “you’re on your own/use your own discretion/we’ll take no responsibility here”. It does NOT mean “do not follow this person”, as many in the media would have us think.

 
Comment by spook
2013-07-05 05:29:43

Zimmerman has already described in the interview with the detective at the station AND in the reenactment at the scene, his use of a waist holster on his right side.

This is standard police CYA-speak for “you’re on your own/use your own discretion/we’ll take no responsibility here”.

Thank you for clearing this up Ahansen. That language always bothered me since I first heard it because it seems too vague and “paisley” for a professional to be using.

CYA indeed.

 
 
 
 
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-07-04 15:08:04

(mom gets a pass because women are unaccountable in this culture)

wat

Comment by spook
2013-07-04 15:54:42

What I mean is the celebration of victimhood in contemporary society has retarded the value of shame as a tool for the promotion of accountability.

My comment is not a criticism of females, but an observation of nature.

When a tribe loses a war with another tribe, all the men are killed, while the women and children become the property of the conquering tribe (they get a do over)

This is what makes male accountability, in contrast to females, an internally driven phenomenon.

We know its over for us if we don’t TAKE responsibility because we ain’t gettin no “do over”.

All we gettin is a mass grave.

Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-07-04 16:18:32

Would you like to know why women are not killed? It’s because they are child bearers. Boys are often killed, if not turned into involuntary murderers.

If you are operating on a tribal basis, then the child bearers are the most important members of the tribe. Of course you wouldn’t kill them. You would die out if you did. You would also ascribe a lot of responsibility to them, since they are so important.

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Comment by rms
2013-07-04 20:32:19

“What I mean is the celebration of victimhood in contemporary society has retarded the value of shame as a tool for the promotion of accountability.”

+1 One could write a treatise answering that sentence.

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Comment by ahansen
2013-07-04 23:32:11

Please explain why shaming the victim is good for society….

 
Comment by spook
2013-07-05 05:46:29

Uh oh, is Ahansen lookin at me “sideways?”

Is she holding me accountable and responsible for what I said?

Lucky for her I have a sense of shame.

Shame is a necessary emotion for the promotion of responsibility which all adult members of society should practice in order to produce a CIVILization.

many cultures have ceremonies that designate the precise moment when a boy or girl becomes a man or woman; and therefore a responsible and accountable member of the society.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by non-conformist
2013-07-04 06:53:00

How Home Ownership Causes Unemployment

Published: Friday, 7 Jun 2013 | 11:38 AM ET By: John Carney | Senior Editor, CNBC.com

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100798861 - 74k -

From what I have read over the last five years home ownership not only causes unemployment but it also causes cancer and lots of other bad stuff that renders you unable to make mortgage payments through no fault of your own.

PS

There was supposed to be a link with this.

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-07-04 08:11:08

‘The share of households with debts greater than or equal to 250 per cent of gross income reached a record 13.5 per cent last year, according to Ipsos. “Looking at these figures one would think Canadians are accumulating debt at an alarming rate,” said Michael Hsu, vice-president at Ipsos in Toronto. Still, he said “most of the debt Canadians are accumulating is going into real estate and right now the real estate market is holding up quite nicely.”

http://www.windsorstar.com/Housing+boom+indebted+families/8609547/story.html

Comment by Combotechie
2013-07-04 08:31:51

“… and right now the real estate market is holding up quite nicely.”

RE prices are a function of - what? - opinions? Opinions of buyers and sellers?

And opinions have a habit of - what? - shifting a bit now and then?

Place your bets, but limit your risk to only 250 percent of your gross income.

(snort)

Comment by 2banana
2013-07-04 10:33:34

Opinions that USED to be based on facts.

Like buying a house no more than 2.5x annual household income.

But government “helping” changed all that.

Now opinions are based on how much more helping the government is going to do…

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Comment by Patrick
2013-07-04 12:12:48

Condo prices in Toronto are not holding up nicely. Not at all. They have seen unsteady sales at reducing prices for units in the same buildings. They cannot seem to get much past 80% of the prices they were getting in Dec 2011.

And a whole flood of new condos are being finished soon.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2013-07-04 07:24:07

Whatever government touches it destroys…

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514 COLLEGES HAVE HIGHER DEFAULT RATES THAN GRADUATION RATES
Big Government | 7/3/2013 | WYNTON HALL

A new study finds that students at 514 colleges and universities are more likely to default on their student loans than graduate.

The non-profit Education Sector conducted the study; the group partnered with USA Today for a subsequent joint analysis of federal data.

“These colleges should set off a red flag in the minds of prospective student borrowers–and their parents,” said Education Sector Director Andrew Gillen. “Many students at these colleges will no doubt take out loans, graduate and get good jobs. But the high default rates and lower graduation rates suggest that many will not.”

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-04 09:53:44

Fact is 50% of colleges shouldn’t even exist. They are degree mills and nothing more. I’ve met recent so-called college graduates from Never Heard of it State U and it’s shocking how uneducated they are.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2013-07-04 07:44:24

Happy Fourth Everyone!

“one nation, under surveillance with Obamacare and EBT for all.”

:-)

Comment by non-conformist
2013-07-04 07:53:43

“Happy Fourth Everyone!”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91kdwxFsthI - 136k -

:)

 
Comment by inchbyinch
2013-07-04 08:04:57

“one nation, under surveillance ”
Bush 43 is the origin. I regret voting for him.

Like Obama created the EBT card? Please.

2banana - As a recovered Republican, Bush 43’s legacy is a disaster. Both parties are worthless.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-07-04 08:34:49

Bush 43 is the origin.

Yep, and they did it without any judicial or legislative oversight or approval, unlike Obama.

Comment by Dirk Diggler
2013-07-04 18:21:27

Bush was a “progressive”.

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Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-04 08:35:14

Under Obama EBT, Food Stamp use and disability has more than doubled. Fraud has more than quadrupled.

But it’s Bush’s fault.

Comment by ecofeco
2013-07-04 13:22:23

Link to fraud quadrupling?

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-07-04 14:05:17

The Patriot Act is the single biggest legislation that violates the Bill of Rights. Yes it was requested and signed by GWB.

It must be abolished as soon as possible.

It’s not a war against terror and a war against drugs. It’s a war AGAINST patriots.

 
 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-04 08:33:01

RE: EBT

Every gas station around these days proudly displays a “WE ACCEPT EBT” sign. Wondeful. So instead of buying milk at Walmart for $3.50 a gallon, the deadbeats buy it at the gas station for $5. And while there, maybe pick up a big gulp or two. All courtesy of Mr. and Mrs. Idiot Taxpayer.

VIVA OBAMA!!

SI SE PUEDE!!

Comment by inchbyinch
2013-07-04 09:16:44

You guys are right, the country continues to slide. Both parties have done it. Decade after decade this $hit has been going on.

We’re all older, so our reference points have broadened.

Comment by ecofeco
2013-07-04 13:23:28
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Comment by m2p
2013-07-04 13:44:45

They may not be using food stamps or SNAP as it’s called now. Unemployment payments and TANF also use EBT cards. Pretty sure gasoline purchases are allowed with those cards.

 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2013-07-04 07:48:19

And one is run by progressives, liberals and marxists…

Texas v. California: The Real Facts Behind The Lone Star State’s Miracle
Forbes | 07/04/2013 | Chuck DeVore

Politicians and economists alike are invested in promoting or debunking the “Texas Miracle”—the contention that Texas is better off economically due to policies that favor lower taxes and less regulation.

New economic data provides more grist for this discussion.

If Texas is doing well and does offer a model to the nation, then one set of policy choices ought to be followed. Or, if Texas isn’t doing all that well or does not offer a useful model to follow, then Texas can be ignored in the larger, national discussion of what policies work best for general prosperity.

There are two arguments frequently deployed against Texas: Texas’ economic growth is driven by population increases due to the attractiveness to business of cheap labor and a warm climate; and energy production plays the main role in Texas’ economy.

Texas’s relative success is best measured against a peer: California.

California and Texas are the most populous states. They both have diverse populations, large numbers of immigrants, abundant energy and natural resources, long coastlines and a border with Mexico.

Most importantly, California and Texas, alike in many ways, have diametrically opposed public policies. California’s state and local tax burden ranks as America’s 4th-highest compared to Texas at 45th. California taxes a 42 percent larger share of state income than does Texas, California’s restrictive energy policies discourage oil extraction, even though it has the largest proven shale oil reserves in the nation; while its industrial electrical rates are 88 percent higher than in Texas.

These policy differences contribute to a divergence in economic performance.

Comment by Combotechie
2013-07-04 08:02:33

As an employee I am very happy that I live in California and not Texas.

This may not be so if I were an employer.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-07-04 10:11:32

I think going 1099 with your own LLC or chapter S in California is much more lucrative than working in a low tax state. You can squirrel away much more than $50k in a self employment IRA and the $50k is tax deductible. Later you move to Incline Village, Nevada when you start tapping retirement. None of it is taxable by California. By law in 1995.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-07-04 10:16:04

Essentially by going 1099 and working in California, you turn Callifornia into a low tax state, for you!

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Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-04 12:01:43

Bill,

You’re correct in a sense. But why not work in Nevada as a 1099? You get to do the same $50K retirement and pay 0% of what’s left instead of paying 10% to CA on what’s left.

And this is yet another example of the insanity of the tax code. As a W2 cube drone, you can contribute a max of $16K a year to a 401k. Do the exact same job, get paid as a 1099, you can contribute up to $50K to a SEP.

“Merica, gotta love her.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-07-04 14:02:43

Why would I want to work in Nevada unless I’m a ski bum? I’m from California and there are a lot more tech opportunities in certain areas, such as Silicon Valley and Orange County.

In fact, I hope to network more and then go 1099, staying in the O.C. area (as a renter) for several years. There is a positive can do attitude in Orange County. It’s a smorgasbord of opportunities.

 
 
 
 
 
 
Comment by inchbyinch
2013-07-04 08:13:35

Combo
We might pay a sunshine tax, and this state (Ca)may have fallen off a cliff since the 60’s, but I too feel blessed.

Joni Mitchell lyric:
“I’m going to see the folks I dig, I’ll even kiss a sunset pig California, I’m coming home.”

We’re in east Ventura County: Simi Valley/Thousand Oaks/Westlake Village,and Moorpark. Grew up in North Hollywood (when it was nice).

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-04 08:52:52

My wife is a 6th generation Californian. Something, for some reason, she’s very proud of. Half her family (the smart ones) realized the weather and beach isn’t worth living in a 3rd World Nation. The other 1/2 think living anywhere more than 5 miles from the ocean is cruel and unusual punishment and will never leave.

For me I get the best of both worlds. I get to visit SoCal several times a year and enjoy the weather and beach, but don’t have to actually live there or pay taxes there.

Comment by Combotechie
2013-07-04 09:04:26

Spread the word: Living in California sucks.

Comment by Resistor
2013-07-04 09:50:07

Same with Florida.

:grin:

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-07-04 10:24:31

Same with Washington… :-)

 
 
 
Comment by inchbyinch
2013-07-04 09:20:47

Mr. Smithers
Great post.
I have elderly family here and bought the toe tag home outright. I’m glued, but I appreciate your true enough perspective. 6th generation, wow!

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-04 09:49:47

“6th generation, wow!”

Yeah, her family’s been there for a while, both father’s and mother’s. She did some genealogy on her family and found out she’s a distant relative of Leland Stanford (founder of Stanford University). Something like her great-grandmother was his cousin or something wacky like that. When I heard that my first reaction was “so that means our kids are guaranteed acceptance, right?” :) Then again Stanford was an evil Republican Senator so putting that on a college application would result in an automatic rejection.

Many of her relatives are also evil rich people. Just owning land for that long throughout the state makes you kinda rich. So when they start dying off, I hope they’re generous to my wife in their wills. Who knows, we may end up moving there after all. Being a middle class Californian sucks. Being an evil rich land owning Californian….not a bad way to live.

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Comment by inchbyinch
2013-07-04 10:34:22

Stanford Magazine is great. I read it.
Great legacy for your wife, btw.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-04 22:21:52

“Being a middle class Californian sucks. Being an evil rich land owning Californian….not a bad way to live.”

Best observation you ever made here, dude!

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-04 22:20:25

“…toe tag home…”

I’d like to see a real estate sales ad containing that description. If anyone can find one, please post.

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Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-07-04 15:34:30

Stop lying, M. slith. You have no wife or kids. You do not earn $250/hour. You are an aging shill, but no more. A teen.

Comment by Dirk Diggler
2013-07-04 18:32:14

Liberals jealousy and envy on parade. I bet you have a dollar more that he has also.

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Comment by inchbyinch
2013-07-04 08:15:42

I think it’s actually “I’ll even kiss a sun kissed pig”. (copied and pasted an incorrect lyric)

Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-07-04 09:27:52

I think it’s Sunset pig- referring to a cop on Sunset Blvd.

 
 
Comment by non-conformist
2013-07-04 08:49:58

If anyone here is into fantasy football, don’t forget to take Aaron Hernandez off your draft board.

 
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Comment by jose canusi
2013-07-04 09:27:10

I’m very familiar with the area in which this family lives. While it’s possible it was some drunk redneck, some of the immigrant population in the area (legal and illegal) often celebrates occasions by shooting off guns. I nearly got hit by a bullet myself back in 2000 at a 4th of July barbeque at a friend’s property in a heavily migrant backwoods area. The bullet whizzed by me and lodged in a pine tree.

Whoever shot off the gun probably has no clue what he did, or if he knew, he’s long gone, very possibly back over the border.

They’ll never find the shooter. Ever.

 
 
Comment by non-conformist
2013-07-04 09:57:31

Sorry, but I am not a premium website for subscriber.

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WEST PALM BEACH —
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The order, signed by Judge Howard Harrison last month in a Royal Palm Beach foreclosure case, specifies payment amounts, a fixed 3.15 percent interest rate for 40 years, and requires the bank to mitigate damage done to the homeowner’s credit — details foreclosure defense attorneys said they have never before seen in a ruling.

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Comment by non-conformist
2013-07-04 10:11:41

Lullaby Lyrics
by Shawn Mullins. From Bad Teacher

I say, everything’s gonna be alright
Modify, modify
Everything’s gonna be alright
Modify, modify, modify

Bye, bye
Bye, bye

 
 
Comment by inchbyinch
2013-07-04 10:28:41

Jay Leno’s Garage online is a hoot. Some of the cars are way cool, and who doesn’t love Jay.

Comment by 2banana
2013-07-04 10:40:12

The Tonight show and NBC?

Jay Leno leaves ‘Tonight’ behind

(CNN) — You’d think someone who lasted 17 years as host of a television program in this day and age — particularly a show as venerable as NBC’s “Tonight Show” — would be receiving praise and honor.

Jay Leno has rarely impressed critics, but he’s been the No. 1 late-night host for almost 15 years.

Not so Jay Leno, whose final “Tonight Show” is Friday.

“Without fail, Leno’s show fills an hour and kills an hour,” wrote The Associated Press’ Frazier Moore in a recent column on Leno’s “Tonight” legacy. “For 17 years in late night he has vigorously played a game of lowered expectations, and met them.”

 
Comment by Dirk Diggler
2013-07-04 18:38:25

I don’t. His endless cracks about Dan Quayle got tiring back a few years ago with his Potato jokes. I don’t seem to see the same jokes with Obama and his “corpsman” statement.

Comment by Dirk Diggler
2013-07-04 18:44:22

He’s another rich liberal. I bet all the “antique” cars will be worth
plenty to the state of Taxifornia when he poops out.

Comment by inchbyinch
2013-07-04 19:41:04

Dirk
I have not watched TV, including the Tonight Show since 1996. No service. We only watch movies on our HDTV.

In honor of the 4th, we watched National Treasure 1.

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Comment by inchbyinch
2013-07-04 19:44:50

Dirk
I’m so over the liberal vs. conservative labels. I’m free of all that dribble. I evaluate people by character.

Becoming a recovered Republican has made me a better person.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-07-04 20:51:29

‘I’m so over the liberal vs. conservative labels’

Over 20 years ago I came to the conclusion that left/right, conservative/liberal were meaningless dualism’s the PTB use to keep us divided and powerless.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2013-07-04 10:47:35

Irish foreclosure auction cancelled after protest
belfast Telegraph | 4 July 2013

A firesale auction of repossessed homes and businesses had to be cancelled when protesters took over a salesroom.

One man stood in front of an auctioneer before the event was due to start, pleading with potential buyers not to place a bid.

A spokeswoman for Allsop Space confirmed its auction was cancelled due to unforeseen organised protests taking place in the Shelbourne Hotel in Dublin. “Unfortunately, proceedings were cancelled in the interest of public safety of those attending the auction,” she added.

TDs Mattie McGrath and Michael Healy Rae were with those protesting against the sale of more than 120 properties, which had combined reserves totalling 12.1 million euro.

Tom O’Reilly said he also protested last month when a bank put his former factory in Navan on the auction list, but it was withdrawn because of publicity.

“This protest started out about Anglo and then we came down here and then we decided to go inside and try and stop the action. We very successfully stopped the auction. People feel it’s very wrong to have English agents selling Irish properties on behalf of English-owned banks. It irks a lot of people this is going on.”

Sellers said there was mayhem inside the auction hall, where up to 400 people - including buyers and protesters - gathered ahead of the sale. “It was shocking,” said one, claiming dozens of demonstrators shouted abuse at auctioneers. It got really nasty really quickly. It wasn’t safe to go on for the staff. They just shut the whole thing down.”

Organisers believe the recent revelations in the leaked Anglo Irish Bank tapes, recorded in the weeks before the Government bailed out the toxic lender and other Irish banks, sparked the anger.

 
Comment by 2banana
2013-07-04 10:50:20

obama announces a one year delay in implementing obamacare on July 3rd while he is traveling on a plane…

Hope and change buried on the page 23 of the July 4th newspaper…

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How employer mandate delay wreaks havoc with Obamacare
Washington Examiner | 07/04/2013 | Philip Klein

On Tuesday, I offered my opening thoughts about the surprise decision by the Obama administration to delay a central element of Obamacare that requires employers to provide insurance the federal government deems acceptable or pay penalties. Over at Cato, Michael Cannon argues that the delay in the employer mandate necessitates a delay in the rest of the law, because of the way it interacts with another core provision.

One of the main ways that President Obama’s health care law plans to expand insurance coverage is by offering subsidies for individuals to purchase insurance on government-run exchanges. There are a number of eligibility requirements attached to the subsidies such as income level and immigration status. But another fundamental requirement is that applicants for federal subsidies must be able to show their employer does not offer health insurance that meets the federal government’s standards for affordability and breadth of benefits. If the employer offers qualifying health insurance, then the worker is not eligible.

Yet in its Tuesday announcement, the Treasury Department said it was not only delaying the implementation of the employer mandate, but also the employer insurance reporting requirements. If the Obama administration won’t be making judgments on whether employers are meeting the requirements of Obamacare, how can it assess individuals’ eligibility to receive subsidies to purchase insurance on the exchanges?

So, perhaps administration officials believe there’s a way to tweak the reporting requirements without affecting the process for determining exchange eligibility. But it isn’t yet clear how they plan on resolving this issue. And the exchanges are supposed to be up and running on Oct. 1.

Comment by jose canusi
2013-07-04 13:08:12

It looks to me as if the Obama regime is crumbling, especially in recent weeks. A number of events have occurred that appear to be very much counter to his intentions:

1) Obamacare, as noted above. I predict the whole thing will fall apart, it’s a disaster and it has to go.

2) Immigration: about two minutes after the Senate passed it, the narrative switched to the resistance against it. It’s DOA in the House.

3) Snowden, the black swan, revealing the extent of the spying at home and abroad.

4) Assad in Syria, fighting back against the US’s covert operations to oust him, and he’s winning.

5) Egypt. Major reversal of the US support for the Muslim Brotherhood’s Arab Spring.

Obama is not much liked abroad right now, and if you read between the lines, there’s not too many countries where he can go and get a dose of hero worship. The MSM plays this stuff down, but even in Africa he wasn’t welcomed as he thought, and it would appear Mandela’s inner circle didn’t much want him around. And in Europe? YES, WE SCAN!

Stay tuned. The guy’s going down in a big way, this is just the beginning.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-07-04 13:42:01

You know you sound like a Fox News commentator, right?

Comment by jose canusi
2013-07-04 15:43:41

Needle, needle deedle-do!

He’s goin’ down, BAYBEEEEEEEEEEEE!

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-07-04 17:22:08

So he won’t win re-election?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Resistor
2013-07-04 13:54:20

Happy 4th!

They’re growing up quick!

http://picpaste.com/8dedf314682612bb21e8e664f2ce5697.jpg

Comment by rms
2013-07-04 20:41:40

They’re growing up quick!

+1 Indeed.

Mine are six weeks away from 17 and 14, and we’re still living on one income. Thankfully I’m debt free these days, or it would be stressful. I fact, my oldest gets her wisdom teeth pulled in three weeks, so there goes another $2k to $3k, out of pocket, I am told.

 
Comment by ahansen
2013-07-04 23:47:47

Sobering and uplifting all at once. They’re even more adorable than ever, Mugz. See how lucky you are? Thanks for sharing.

 
 
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-07-04 14:31:06

Happy 4th of July, everyone!!! Get a pet drone. It’s the American DREAM.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-07-04 19:46:17

A disconnect on RE valuations. Data from MelissaData dot com AGI by zip code:

Zip 92691 AGI roughly $67k Zillow Average price $541k
Zip 85044 AGI roughly $66k Zillow Average price $256k

AGIs roughly the same over a string of ten years. I do know that people in Southern California who own real estate are more gung ho on real estate than people I talk to in Phoenix.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2013-07-04 19:47:50

So do people in the Ahwatukee area, given the lower state income tax rate and lower cost of housing, save more for retirement and emergencies than the people of Mission Viejo?

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-04 22:33:57

Markets surge but pound slumps after Mark Carney and Mario Draghi interventions
Stock markets across Europe roared to life on Thursday after Mark Carney and Mario Draghi signalled that interest rates would remain low for years to come in a co-ordinated push to drive growth.
A large computerised display of the British FTSE 100 index is pictured in London
The FTSE 100 surged after the Bank of England’s statement and enjoyed a further boost once Mario Draghi spoke Photo: AFP
By Philip Aldrick, Economics Editor
8:22PM BST 04 Jul 2013

Showing a united front as they tore up the policy rule book, the central bank bosses sought to put an end to the recent market turmoil that has sent government borrowing costs soaring throughout much of the developed world.

Mr Carney, who only took over as Bank of England Governor on Monday, said investors were “not warranted” in thinking that interest rates would start rising from the end of next year, as markets currently expect.

Speaking shortly afterwards, Mr Draghi, European Central Bank president, echoed the message, saying rates would be at current or lower levels “for an extended period of time”.

The comments broke with existing protocol by setting out a potential timeframe for rate policy, with economists saying the UK may not now see a rate rise before 2015 at the earliest. However, the intervention was in keeping with the strategies of “guidance” and “communication” strongly advocated by Mr Carney, enhancing his reputation as a monetary “dove”.

“The [Bank] is clearly not happy with the market pricing in policy exit any time soon,” George Buckley at Deutsche Bank said.

“And that was based on market expectations of the first rate hike some two years hence – in mid 2015.” Fathom Consulting reckoned the Bank “is expecting to keep rates on hold until at least 2015”.

Markets responded immediately, with the FTSE 100 surging after the Bank’s statement and enjoying a further boost once Mr Draghi spoke. Britain’s blue chip index climbed 191.8 points, or 3.1pc, to finish at 6421.67 – adding £49bn to company valuations as investors looked forward to the prospect of cheap money. It was the biggest daily rise in almost two years.

France’s CAC 40 jumped 2.9pc and Germany’s DAX gained 2.1pc. US markets were closed for Independence Day.

The co-ordinated statements had the desired effect on government borrowing costs. The yield on benchmark 10-year UK gilts dropped from 2.418pc to 2.319pc within minutes of the Bank’s intervention, before climbing in later trading to close at 2.37pc.

In early May, before talk of the end of stimulus panicked the markets, the 10-year yield was 1.625pc.

The cost of borrowing for European government debt fell even more sharply on Thursday.

However, talk of persistent low rates and the prospect of more quantitative easing (QE) caused the pound to slump as it became a less attractive currency for investors to hold. Sterling dropped 1.4pc against the dollar to $1.5070, the steepest decline since September 2011, and fell 0.7pc against the euro to €1.1663.

The shock interventions came despite the decision by both central banks to leave policy unchanged in July. In the UK, rates were held at 0.5pc and the stock of QE left at £375bn. The European Central Bank also held rates at 0.5pc.

However, after his first Monetary Policy Committee (MPC) meeting, Mr Carney took the unusual step of issuing a statement alongside the decision. In it, the MPC said “the significant upward movement in market interest rates would weigh on” growth and that the recent “implied rise in the expected future path of Bank Rate was not warranted by the recent developments in the domestic economy”.

“This is pretty aggressive stuff,” James Knightley at ING Financial Markets said.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-04 22:44:27

House price falls worsen in Greece and Spain
A world league table of property markets has shown values are falling fastest in southern Europe, as a recovery gathered pace in major markets across the globe.
Elounda Gulf Villas in Crete
The price of property in Greece tumbled by nearly 12pc in a year
By Andrew Oxlade
11:41AM BST 10 Jun 2013

Prices in Greece, where the economy has been crippled by the weight of government debt and by austerity measures, fell by 11.8pc in the year to the end of March, according to estate agency Knight Frank.

The rate of decline worsened from 9.8pc a year earlier.

Other countries in the so-called PIIGS countries - Spain (-7.9pc), Portugal (-6.9pc), Italy (-4.1pc) and Ireland (-3pc) - were also among the weakest markets (see the table below).

The fall in the value of Spanish propery was marginally worse than the year before when it was 7.3pc.

Ireland’s fall, however, was a vast improvment from a 16pc plunge the year before.

Unemployment has soared in many of the eurozone economies while wages have stagnated or fallen in real terms, putting pressure on property valuations. In Spain, further ill-effects have been imposed by changes in tax rules, according to experts.

A new law in April required residents to declare any overseas asset worth more than €50,000, sparking fears that their may be a future Cyprus-style money grab.

However, Knight Frank’s experts have said a decision by the Spanish government to grant residency to non-EU nationals who buy property in the country costing more than €500,000 would offer some support.

The rule is expected to be enacted into law in coming months.

Global property prices changes

Hong Kong, in contrast to Europe, posted gains of 28pc, followed by China at 23.8pc and Dubai at 21.1pc.

Thirty five of the 55 housing markets analysed, or 63pc, registered gains.

South Africa was also singled out by report author Kate Everett-Allen as a strong performer, with prices up 11.3pc - a turnaround form a 3.2pc fall the year before.

She said: “South Africa’s momentum is linked to an increasingly wealthy middle class who are tapping into the rising confidence of the wider African continent, keen to get on the property ladder.”

A similar pattern of recovery was seen in the US. Values for the year were up 10.2pc after a 1.9pc fall the year before.

Last month, the Standard & Poor’s/Case-Shiller home price index showed the market was rising at its fastest level in seven years, fuelled by cheaper borrowing costs, rising consumer confidence and a shortage of properties to buy.

The recovery in the market has helped pull as many as 1.7m American households out of negative equity, which could help underpin further gains. Some economists have warned that rising mortgages rates in the US, which are influenced by the yield on US government bonds, could hamper the recovery. The average 15-year mortgage fixed rate in the US has risen above 3pc and is at its highest level since March 2012.

 
Comment by non-conformist
2013-07-06 04:36:30

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