July 5, 2013

Getting Out Of A Hole To Dig Another One

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Seattle real estate appraiser Richard Hagar says the economy is good here and people are buying houses non-stop. That means most people aren’t getting the house of their dreams but rather what’s left over. That may sound like a downer but Hagar sees a bright side. ‘The good news is that our housing market is going up. In fact, we’ve calculated that it’s going up about $500 a week for the average house,’ he said. That works out to about $24,000 a year—money that Hagar says you lose out on if you’re renting. ‘If they rent, they’re locked in while the housing market is increasing its value.’”

“The big bonus of buying over renting, Hagar says, is that you haven’t missed the market. You’ve ridden along with it instead of being left behind. So, even if you end up buying a house that’s not the perfect fit, Hagar says that’s OK. ‘You can buy it for 5 percent down and then in a year or two, move up to a better home. Maybe even keep the first house as a rental,’ he said.”

“Professor Peter Phibbs, from University of Sydney’s Faculty of Architecture, Design and Planning, has told a conference that the relatively stable overall home ownership rate over the past four decades has masked a significant change. While the national home ownership average is almost unchanged at 68 per cent, ownership for 25-to-34-year-olds has fallen from 61 per cent in 1975 to just 45 per cent now. The figure is only slightly higher for 35-to-44-year-olds.”

“‘But for some people the delay will be permanent,’ he said. ‘The actual increase in prices means that those people that traditionally would aspire to home ownership, I’m talking about moderate income Australia - probably in their lifetime won’t get into that market.’”

“Major real estate investment deals in Shanghai rose in the first half of this year, with a notable return of interest from overseas buyers, an international real estate services provider said. In addition, deals concluded in the first half were all made by pure investors, DTZ China Investment said. In comparison, owner-occupiers made up 41 percent of buyers last year.”

“Phil White is facing a mortgagee sale on his luxurious Auckland apartment because he has not made full mortgage repayments. White said he paid $615,000 for the two-level apartment on top of The Landings. He borrowed $450,000 from Westpac. Now, he says real estate agents are telling him he’d be lucky to recover $200,000 on the penthouse sale. He was denied New Zealand residency and so must rent out the apartment for $730 a week. However, that does not cover the mortgage repayments. White said he was not earning so could pay no more to the bank than the rent.”

“‘I have no income. I’m retired and I live on someone else’s land in a jungle in Fiji. I’m telling Westpac that if they sell it now, it’s the worst thing they can do because they’re not going to get what the property will be worth,’ he said. A City Sales apartment auction five years ago saw Blue Chip investors quit a unit in The Landings for only $200,000, a sum said to be precisely half the $400,000 they had paid.”

“Sarbjit Singh first heard about the Trump in October 2006 from a real estate agent who told him it was a great investment opportunity. He and his wife had recently bought a house and just had their second daughter. He didn’t have the money to buy another property. ‘I was only making between $50,000 and $60,000 a year,’ he says. ‘I’m a regular person, not rich.’”

“But the prospect of getting his own piece of Trump magic proved too tempting. He alleges the sales associate assured him he had nothing to worry about. Singh asked at what point he could flip the unit, and the agent told him directly after closing. Last November, Singh ran out of reserve cash. He stopped paying his fees and is now working in the evenings and on weekends in an effort to pay his parents’ line of credit. He recently missed a mortgage payment. He has no idea how he’ll get out of debt.”

”You’ll make a lot of money,’ he remembers the agent telling him. ‘Even if you don’t sell, you’ll be making lots of money from the reservation program.’”

“Steven and Joan Bailey say they‘re two-time victims of a broken foreclosure system. In 2010, they lost their North Carolina home to a foreclosure they say shouldn’t have happened because they were seeking a loan modification at the time. This year, they eagerly awaited their check from a big bank settlement. They expected at least $6,000 or even the maximum — $125,000. Their check arrived in April — for $800. Less than a month’s rent on their apartment. ‘Another disappointment,’ says Steven Bailey, who has become a foreclosure activist in Colorado.”

“The real estate market in Las Vegas has been red hot lately. But it’s not hot enough for homeowners who bought at the peak of the last boom. We first caught up with Dave and Cheryl Burton last year, when their home’s value was in freefall. The house they bought in 2007 for $700,000 had crashed down to $325,000. ‘When the market tanked,’ he told us in 2012, ‘our mindset was put your nose to the grindstone, keep working hard, and it will turn around.’”

“In just the last year, the price of a median home in Las Vegas has gone up nearly 33 percent. The Burtons’ home has also risen in value from $325,000 to $400,000. But for them, the recovery is coming just a bit too late. They will probably sell at a loss. ‘We’re trying to find that silver lining, but our hearts are heavy,’ said Dave.”

“Foreclosure rates in Fairfield County are declining, but that comes as no comfort to the homeowners who have engaged in short sales as a way to avoid the shame of having the bank take possession of their houses. A Shelton man is in the process of selling his house through a short sale. The man, who asked not to be identified, bought the house in 2005. ‘What can you do? The mortgage was tight,’ he said.”

“An attorney with a nonprofit housing organization questioned CoreLogic’s findings of fewer foreclosures. ‘The CoreLogic statistics are (based on) people who have had court action started against them,’ said Jeff Gentes, managing attorney for foreclosure prevention at the Connecticut Fair Housing Center in Hartford. ‘The more telling point is people 90 days or more behind on their mortgages.’ He estimated that one in 11 home owners in Fairfield County fits that category, and an area real estate agent also questioned the CoreLogic numbers.”

“Attorney Jonathan Hoffman, a partner in the law firm of Hoffman & Hoffman in Stamford, concurred. ‘I haven’t seen a marked improvement in getting things done,’ he said, commenting that banks often send letters to his clients, urging them to avoid participating in the state’s foreclosure mediation program. ‘We do over 100 short sales a year. I haven’t seen a slow down at all. It’s been constant for the past six years.’”

“Chris Genese with Washington Community Action Network said their research shows 33 percent of Seattle-wide homeowners are underwater by an average of $93,000, meaning they are ‘next in line for foreclosure.’ ‘It’s great that the market is recovering,’ he said, ‘but it’s not going to recover fast enough for these people.’”

“One West Seattle woman (name withheld) decided to share her story with the group. ‘On Nov. 7, late in the afternoon they let us know that they had denied our last loan modification so there was nothing for us to do because the foreclosure auction was set for Nov. 9 in the morning, so our house was sold back to the bank. I have still been fighting for my home, we are still in our home because I refuse to just give up because what they’ve done to us is not right, and what they are doing to everyone else is not right.’

“‘It doesn’t matter what the rest of the story is, that the reason I couldn’t work was because I was sick and dying and it doesn’t matter that during the height of all that craziness banks were going after you: ‘Oh, refinance your house, oh refinance your house, oh refinance your house.’ Should I have not refinanced my house? No, in hindsight I shouldn’t have, but at the time that was the culture of the banks.’”

“‘I keep telling myself that I can get over the loss of my home, but what I can’t get over is the anger that we sit so greenly in our homes believing that the economy is recovering, we sit so blindly believing that the housing market is recovering and getting better when there is a house that was foreclosed three years ago sitting right across the street from our house.’”

“Plans to prop up the housing market with a mortgage guarantee must be a short-term measure to avoid causing another financial crisis, the Bank of England’s deputy governor has warned. The Government plans to extend its Help to Buy stimulus scheme by guaranteeing home loans from January — shifting the risk of borrower default from lenders on to the state.”

“Paul Tucker told MPs that a medium or long-term mortgage guarantee would be dangerous after warnings it could inflate another property bubble. His warning follows criticism from former bank governor Sir Mervyn King over the scheme being too similar to home loan guarantees from failed US government lenders Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Mr Tucker said: ‘They are devices for getting out of a hole to dig another one for the future.’”

“One way to interpret the gap emerging between house prices in south Dublin and the rest of the country is that the already wealthy are now seeing their property wealth stabilise and, in some cases, rise. In contrast, poorer parts of the country are seeing their wealth – derived largely from the value of their homes – continue to diminish. As house prices in the commuter belt continue to plummet, the wealth effect is opposite to that in south Dublin. People in negative equity are not only poor, they are worse than poor because they are in debt.”

“If our opportunity and income become dwarfed by changes in wealth – driven by serendipitous changes in house prices – then lots of people will see the innate unfairness of housing wealth. Housing wealth doesn’t come from talent, innovation or creativity but rather the feudal concept of location. We can’t afford for capital to get tied up in this overvalued relic again.”

“Already the trends in food prices are punishing poor people most callously now. It would be a disaster if we learnt nothing from the housing boom and bust and allowed ourselves to become enchanted by the hollow glitter of shiny trophy assets again.”




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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-05 05:58:15

‘The good news is that our housing market is going up. In fact, we’ve calculated that it’s going up about $500 a week for the average house,’ he said. That works out to about $24,000 a year—money that Hagar says you lose out on if you’re renting. ‘If they rent, they’re locked in while the housing market is increasing its value.’

How will this eventually work out for the bagholder who buys just before prices start to crater again?

Comment by Blue Skye
2013-07-05 09:13:39

“That works out to about $24,000 a year—money that ….you lose”

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-07-05 09:24:36

‘it’s going up about $500 a week for the average house’

This is an appraiser.

Comment by Brett
2013-07-05 12:31:48

Sounds like the condo next door that was under contract, but fell through. It was just relisted for 5k above the original price. $5k appreciation in 40 days sounds like a dream!

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Comment by United States of Moral Hazard
2013-07-05 18:41:28

“This is an appraiser.”

I know. That is what is so scary. These guys are bubble blowers. This guy is nothing but a hit the numbers hack, no doubt.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2013-07-05 19:05:34

‘This guy is nothing but a hit the numbers hack’

Yeah, he probably figures if you are going to close in 30 days, he’ll add a couple thousand for the $500 per week.

If you think about it, within the appraisal profession, they might look at it like this; a few years ago I stuck to my guns while Joe made a fortune giving them whatever number they wanted. Nothing was ever done about it so by golly I’m gonna cash in too.

Oh what a tangled web we weave, when a moral hazard we’ve conceived.

 
 
 
 
Comment by AnonyRuss
2013-07-05 17:12:31

” ‘That works out to about $24,000 a year—money that Hagar says you lose out on if you’re renting. ‘If they rent, they’re locked in while the housing market is increasing its value.’”

It is a good thing that there is no current housing bubble. Awesome.

I recall a city councilman in 2005 in a suburb of Phoenix bragging that houses were going up in value $10,000 a month. And this was in a $150K (and climbing, obviously) average price area. This councilman was correct, of course. But obviously the prices were not skyrocketing because of his leadership in city matters, but due to the largest housing bubble in history.

That is when I started using google to learn more, and found Ben Jones’ blog.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-05 06:02:43

‘You can buy it for 5 percent down and then in a year or two, move up to a better home. Maybe even keep the first house as a rental,’

Isn’t this what about half the homeowners in the U.S. did after the 2007 housing price collapse? For instance, I have a sister who owns three homes, two of them because she decided to keep the home she was moving out of as a rental upon discovering she couldn’t get the sale price she wanted.

How will this doofus’s plan work out when rising mortgage rates kill off the move-up market?

Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-07-05 19:41:11

Renting at a negative ROI? Smrt.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-05 06:39:03

Is it possible the Housing Bubble has become immortal?

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-07-05 07:47:16

‘(Reuters) - China said on Friday it would cut off credit to force consolidation in industries plagued by overcapacity as it seeks to end the economy’s dependence on extravagant investment funded by cheap debt.’

‘On Friday, China Rongsheng Heavy Industries Group , China’s largest private shipbuilder, appealed for financial help from the government and big shareholders, after cutting its workforce and delaying payments to suppliers. Analysts said the company could be the biggest casualty of a local shipbuilding industry suffering from overcapacity and shrinking orders amid a global shipping downturn. New ship orders for Chinese builders fell by about half last year.’

‘The State Council said it would ensure credit kept flowing to businesses that it thought had competitive products, but it would work with banks to oversee a gradual winding down of other businesses. “The government will adopt differentiated policies based on the varied situations in the industries plagued by overcapacity,” it said.’

I’ve been posting about overcapacity on these desk clearing posts for a while, because I came across them and thought it important.

People’s Daily in China: ‘figures from the National Bureau of Statistics showed that steel output increased by 11.3 percent year on year to 91.19 million tonnes in May. In the first five months of the year, steel product output rose 10.8 percent year on year to reach 426.16 million tonnes. Meanwhile, the Complex Steel Price Index (CSPI) released by CISA dropped by 13.35 percent year on year to hit 101.83 by the end of May, down 3.71 percent from that of April.’

‘The industry profit frate was only 0.23 percent in the first four months and 40 percent of large and medium-sized steel businesses suffered operational losses, according to CISA.’

While researching this post, I could see the commodities sector is getting slaughtered in Australia. The housing bubble commodity boom is collapsing after a huge multi-year run. I see some posters here still pine for the gold boom too. So over a decade of going straight up isn’t good enough for you? Talk about greedy.

Anyway, we’ve become so used to stories about entire new cities sitting empty in China, that we’ve shrugged off what it means. The Chinese are scraping perfectly good ships and building new ones, just to show some “growth”. There are 3 million housing units vacant in Beijing. And it’s a big surprise they are going to collapse?

Comment by Bluestar
2013-07-05 09:11:04

“There are 3 million housing units vacant in Beijing.”
You can breath the air either. Those units may end up being like living near the Fukushima nuclear dead zone. Living in a major China city has to cut your life expectancy.

Comment by Bluestar
2013-07-05 09:26:10

Oops, “You can’t breath the air either”

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-05 16:33:42

Why does breathable air matter if you are just buying a home as a quick-flip investment, not as a place to live in?

 
 
Comment by snake charmer
2013-07-05 11:53:24

That’s been a big surprise to me also. How can you have those prices when the air and water are contaminated to the point of being hazardous to health?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2013-07-05 12:20:16

Pine away.

July 5, 2013, 2:36 p.m. EDT
Gold drops nearly $40 to suffer a weekly loss
By Myra P. Saefong and Barbara Kollmeyer, MarketWatch

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Gold futures dropped by nearly $40 an ounce on Friday, prompting a loss for the week on the back of a bigger-than-expected climb in new U.S. jobs last month.

The jobs data contributed to a rise in the dollar and U.S. equities, luring investors away from the precious metal. They also raised the potential that the Federal Reserve will soon ease back on its quantitative easing program, which has been beneficial to gold.

Gold for August delivery (GCQ3 -1.00%) lost $39.20, or 3.1%, to settle at $1,212.70 an ounce on the Comex division of the New York Mercantile Exchange. That was the lowest settlement since June 27.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2013-07-05 09:21:09

As Australia goes, so goes Canada. This is going to hurt.

 
Comment by (Neo-) Jetfixr
2013-07-05 11:45:23

This is what the “free market” true-believers don’t get.

As long as there is a single country that puts the “national good” ahead of “Free market principles” the USA is always going to be the sucker.

Given their issues, I’d probably be doing the same thing. Our problem is our business and governmental leadership is more than willing to sell us out, either because they are true free-market kool-aid drinkers, or, cynically, they are using free-market blather to baffle the simpletons, while selling everyone else in the USA out.

Even worse than lawyers, you can tell business/Wall Streeters are lying, when their lips move.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-05 22:47:00

“The Chinese are scraping perfectly good ships…”

Though ’scraping’ evokes a vivid image, I suspect you meant they are ’scrapping’ perfectly good ships.

This is Bastiat’s Broken Window Economics at its worst — great for oligarchs, whose investment returns are enhanced by the illusion that breaking windows some how contributes to economic growth. But dreadfully wasteful for society at large, including those tasked with breaking and repairing windows.

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-07-05 23:08:15

You never know when it’s a good time for a p.

Here’s what I’ve been able to figure out. There are too many ships and every body knows it. But costs to build are low (no work, cheaper materials) so some ship fleets are choosing to scrap(p) functioning ships and replace them with more fuel efficient ships.

Over capacity is bearing down on the bubble nations, so let’s look for a slowdown in GDP(P).

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-05 06:46:45

“Professor Peter Phibbs, from University of Sydney’s Faculty of Architecture, Design and Planning, has told a conference that the relatively stable overall home ownership rate over the past four decades has masked a significant change. While the national home ownership average is almost unchanged at 68 per cent, ownership for 25-to-34-year-olds has fallen from 61 per cent in 1975 to just 45 per cent now. The figure is only slightly higher for 35-to-44-year-olds.”

“‘But for some people the delay will be permanent,’ he said. ‘The actual increase in prices means that those people that traditionally would aspire to home ownership, I’m talking about moderate income Australia - probably in their lifetime won’t get into that market.’”

Different country, same story:

First-time home buyers get shut out

Several factors keeping them off the market
Jul. 4, 2013 11:52 PM | Written by Julie Schmit
USA Today

U.S. home prices have risen for 14 straight months, but first-time buyers have been increasingly on the sidelines.

In May, first-time buyers accounted for 28 percent of existing-home purchases, down from 34 percent a year before and 36 percent two years ago, according to the National Association of Realtors.

The declining share of first timers means that many have missed out on low interest rates – which recently moved up from near-record lows – and home prices that have risen sharply from their bottom.

“The people buying homes today … are participating in home price growth. Younger people, they are being left out,” says Lawrence Yun, chief economist of the NAR. “It remains to be seen when the first-time buyer can return.”

First-tme buyers are critical to a housing recovery because they help existing homeowners sell and move up to larger or more expensive homes. But their presence is being reduced by:

• Competition. Cash buyers accounted for 33 percent of existing home sales in May. Investors, who are often all-cash buyers, accounted for 18 percent of purchases, the NAR says.

Cash buyers are tough competitors, especially in markets with limited inventory and for first-time buyers who often use low down-payment loans to finance purchases.

The first-time buyer “is being squeezed out of the market a lot,” says Zillow economist Svenja Gudell.

There are also more repeat buyers in the market, given that higher home prices have enabled more people to sell homes and buy others, says Glenn Kelman, CEO of brokerage Redfin.

• Tight credit. Home loans are harder to get than before the housing bust, and that’s true for first-time buyers, too.

Almost half of first-timers get low down-payment loans through the Federal Housing Administration, NAR data show.

New FHA home loans in the last three months of 2012 went to borrowers with an average credit score of 696, vs. under 660 in 2007 and 2008, FHA data shows. Credit scores, which run up to 850, for conventional loans have also risen.

• Recession. It hit the 25- to 34-year-old group with higher unemployment than for adults overall, says Jed Kolko, Trulia economist. Young people have made a strong recovery, but it takes years of steady employment to save a down payment and build strong credit, he says. High levels of student debt will also delay homeownership, Kolko says.

Increases in home prices and mortgage rates since last year have made a big difference in costs.

Comment by Pete
2013-07-05 16:33:56

–says Lawrence Yun, chief economist of the NAR. “It remains to be seen when the first-time buyer can return.”–

I initially read “when” as “whether”. Silly me.

Comment by rms
2013-07-05 20:18:54

–says Lawrence Yun, chief economist of the NAR. “It remains to be seen when the first-time buyer can return.”–

Doesn’t matter because these renters will have their income taxed away to provide healthcare for a previous dissipation generation. No home ownership for them.

 
 
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-07-05 19:44:44

I live in a house that was built in the 1970s by an unskilled worker at a tourist destination. There is now an oncologist building a house two lots down, even with 5 abandoned buildings within walking distance. What happened over the last 40 years to make housing affordable only to oncologists, rather than unskilled tourism workers? And why the vacant properties all over the place?

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-07-05 07:26:51

From the West Seattle link, a comment:

‘15yr WestSeattlite’

‘I am glad there are people still trying to shed light on this. We tried for over four years to get a loan modification from Wells Fargo and have submitted full docs to them TEN TIMES. Now we feel we are being held hostage. We asked 6 months ago for cash for keys since obviously they were never going to cooperate with us. We even have had an attorney fighting for us for 18 months! Now I am over a thousand miles away in CA starting a new job and my husband is in Seattle maintaining residency so we aren’t accused of abandoning our home and refused any relocation assistance. And he is still looking for work. We are ready to move on but now they are actively impacting our careers by my husband not being able to come to CA to get a job. It has been over four months since I have shared a roof with my spouse and we have absolutely no idea when we will see each other again. Now our savings are depleted and I can’t get back there, and he can’t get down here - without assistance. We stayed with our home for years trying to do the right thing.’

Jeebus, she’s moved a thousand miles away and still whines about the darn house.

‘my husband is in Seattle maintaining residency so we aren’t accused of abandoning our home and refused any relocation assistance’

Accused? I imagine the only thing you are accused of is not making the payments!

‘Now our savings are depleted and I can’t get back there, and he can’t get down here - without assistance’

I thought you refused the assistance? So whose fault is that? And I can’t recall ever being given assistance to move by anybody. I guess that’s only available if you stop making payments on a house.

Comment by shendi
2013-07-05 14:40:52

I wonder what type of job she got in CA that she can’t afford to travel to Seattle? If this is the state of the existing homeloaners, would it take another 6 years for the current buyers to be echoing this lady’s sentiment? Oh, I forgot these are all cash buyers!

 
Comment by Neuromance
2013-07-05 18:32:38

Clearly an example of housing boosting employment.

We talk about black swans. If politicians or central bankers ever examine their belief about “housing increasing employment”, that could start a glacial change in policy away from the unthinking boosting of housing at any cost. Which would be a real black swan.

A house does certainly create an burst of initial economic activity. But if a house purchase also creates a decades long deleveraging event / payback hangover, suppressing economic activity, then pumping more money into building houses is like giving someone more heroin to get them out of a heroin-induced depression.

This example speaks to housing’s limitation of labor mobility. But I suspect the deleveraging event is the bigger story.

 
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-07-05 19:48:50

If he would move and get a job, then they wouldn’t be so broke.

 
 
2013-07-05 08:26:36

so true, thanks for the info, when we let things pile up to this degree, it’s hard to be truly successful in what we are after.

Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2013-07-05 10:41:00

Mmmmmmmm! Smells like SPAM!!

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-07-05 10:49:06

This person has been dropping by here and there. Let’s see if he/she can actually say something.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-05 16:34:54

That looks to me like a robospammer post.

 
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-07-05 19:51:14

Yes, I remember this spammer. Don’t know why this one is being allowed to post. Maybe as a twisted warning to spammers everywhere?

 
 
 
Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2013-07-05 08:31:39

I thought that this one was very poignant;

“…In just the last year, the price of a median home in Las Vegas has gone up nearly 33 percent. The Burtons’ home has also risen in value from $325,000 to $400,000. But for them, the recovery is coming just a bit too late. They will probably sell at a loss. ‘We’re trying to find that silver lining, but our hearts are heavy,’ said Dave.”

Yes, Dave. Your hearts are heavy, but your wallets are much, much lighter- and will be for many, many, years to come. How weighty is that $700,000 albatross around your neck now? Aren’t you glad that you chose not to “throw your money away on rent” and “miss out” on the housing market and risk being “left behind”. My, but aren’t YOU the clever one? Aren’t you glad that you didn’t become a “bitter renter”? Your story of greed and hubris really tugs at the heartstrings.

Comment by In Colorado
2013-07-05 08:51:34

A 700K house in Vegas? Were shapely showgirls included in the price?

 
 
Comment by Bubbabear
2013-07-05 08:50:28

3 Reasons The ‘Bubble-Like’ Surge In Home Prices Won’t Last

The “bubble” word has reentered the real estate conversation and with it, much worried comparison between current market conditions and those of the mid-2000s housing bubble.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/morganbrennan/2013/06/24/3-reasons-the-bubble-like-surge-in-home-prices-wont-last/

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-07-05 09:11:36

I saw that the other day. Here’s the writers profile:

‘I cover real estate, writing about everything from trends in the housing market to ultra high-end luxury listings to data-based cities lists. Real estate is in my blood thanks to a realtor for a mom and a property developer/landlord for a dad. I have had a front row seat for the real estate market’s inflation and subsequent crash over the past decade, watching my dad carry on with underwater mortgages and my mom struggle to put home sales together. I have been both a homeowner and a renter in the New York area and can’t decide which I prefer. I am also a regular guest on the ‘Forbes on Fox’ show on Fox News every Saturday morning and can sometimes be found discussing the major business headlines of the week on MSNBC’s ‘Weekends with Alex Witt.’ Before taking on the real estate beat, I worked as an Anchor/Reporter in Forbes Video. These days I shoot videos of crazy homes. I graduated from New York University in 2009 with a BA in Anthropology and prior to that I worked in the other end of media as a recording artist with Sony.’

Comment by (Neo-) Jetfixr
2013-07-05 09:47:52

So……an “expert” in his mid twenties. LMFAO.

My nominee for the “Person who exemplifies the “Teats on a Boar” concept”.

 
 
 
Comment by Bubbabear
2013-07-05 08:56:51

Fannie, Freddie and HUD ill-prepared for new wave of foreclosures, inspectors general say

The government is already struggling to manage the more than 195,000 foreclosed homes it now possesses and is ill-prepared as a new wave of foreclosures looms on the horizon, according to federal watchdogs who paint a less rosy picture of the housing market than politicians.

http://www.washingtonguardian.com/another-foreclosure-crunch

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-07-05 09:07:02

Probably the most under-reported housing story of many years. I found it on Reuters and couldn’t believe it wasn’t in every major media outlet given how much they go on about housing. We’ve been tsked tsked on our conspiracy theory about shadow inventory, and now the UHS are openly worried. From the link:

‘The inspector general’s report warns the housing market remains in a delicate state, with the 1.7 million potential foreclosures looming as a new possible challenge. In fact, it noted, the serious delinquency rate (more than 90 days delinquent) has hovered at 9.4 percent, or about 1.4 percent higher than a year ago.’

‘Executives at Fannie Mae told the FHFA inspector general that “due to elevatated numbers of delinquent borrowers, among other challenges in the housing sector,” it does not expect its inventory of repossessed houses to “return to pre-financial crisis levels for years,” the report said.’

Where’s rental watch with some corelogic numbers?

‘An attorney with a nonprofit housing organization questioned CoreLogic’s findings of fewer foreclosures. ‘The CoreLogic statistics are (based on) people who have had court action started against them,’ said Jeff Gentes, managing attorney for foreclosure prevention at the Connecticut Fair Housing Center in Hartford. ‘The more telling point is people 90 days or more behind on their mortgages.’

Comment by Bluestar
2013-07-05 09:25:01

It seems that FASB rule 134 trumps foreclosure backlog. MBS book value=100% regardless of the market value of mortgages inside it. As long as the cities don’t foreclose for RE back taxes this can go on indefinitely at a controlled pace. For all the power the IRS has it’s surprising that they are subordinate to a financial trade group ie. FASB.

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-07-05 09:34:34

From the link:

‘Properties may not have always been competitively valued, holding time may not have always been minimized, sales may not have always achieved the highest net return, and properties may have been assigned to contractors that did not perform at a satisfactory performance level,’ the report concludes.’

‘HUD failed to properly manage one large contractor responsible for securing and maintaining vacant properties. An audit found nearly 40 percent of the properties the contractors handled ‘materially failed to meet contract requirements because homes were not secured or properly maintained,’ the report said.’

Oh brother could I expand on this for a week. Here’s just one recent tale of a GSE townhouse. The HOA tied the foreclosure up with a lien. Finally, the order goes through to fix a plumbing leak caused by freeze damage. Plumbers show up, and there’s a half inch of water on the entire downstairs. Apparently been there a while because the carpet has big mold rings growing on it. The HOA decided the grass needed to be watered and turned on the water, but didn’t turn it off. House floods, mold grows up the drywall. Bad enough for the house, but this townhouse shares walls with immediate neighbors. Lawsuits are probably coming.

‘this can go on indefinitely at a controlled pace’

I don’t think so.

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Comment by (Neo-) Jetfixr
2013-07-05 09:51:20

Who are they gonna sue? The “too big to convict” banks?

Really, is there any way possible that the house market could be more screwed up?

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-07-05 09:56:02

I suppose the GSE is going to sue the HOA. The other owners are probably going to sue both.

 
Comment by Bluestar
2013-07-05 10:05:36

It’s so sad.
Bad plumbing and mold won’t stop Wall St.
They have beat it into our heads our whole life: We are a nation of laws! But we don’t get to vote on the laws do we? In this day and age it takes 20% of the population to revolt in protest before TPTB panics and reacts to their demands. I don’t think Americans have the brains to do this anymore unlike the 1960s when millions came together to demand change.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-07-05 10:11:27

Everything like this has consequences. They are selling the houses, just dragging it out. The longer they wait, the further the price goes down, the more losses they incur. It just shortens the GSE’s life span. Same with HUD.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-07-05 14:23:07

I just made a long post digging into the numbers quite a bit on some of these reports. A few interesting numbers from the first quarter 2013 “Foreclosure Prevention Report” (published by the FHFA).

If you want to look Google “Foreclosure Prevention Report First Quarter 2013″. A press release from the FHFA will come up close to the top. In that press release there is a link to the data.

1. Total REO held by the GSEs was about 150k as of the end of Q1. Of these, 21k were in Florida (14%), and 10k were in CA (just under 7%). CA has far less than it’s proportionate share. FL has far more. (Data from Page 16)

2. On the whole, the GSEs have been disposing of more REO than they have been taking in each and every quarter since Q4 2010. To continue with the FL and CA comparison (since they have that data readily available). FL peaked at 27k homes held as REO, dropped to 12k, and is now back up to 21k. CA peaked at 30k, and has since fallen to 10k. 10K is the least amount of REO held by the GSEs in the state going back to Q4 2009. (Data from Page 16)

3. 50% or more of the delinquent loans have been delinquent for more than 365 days in FL, NJ, and HI. NV, NY, ME and MD are 40% or more (delinquent loans that have been delinquent for more than a year). California is at 17% (down from 19% in Q3), AZ is at 15% (down from 17% in Q3). (Data from Page 17)

4. See the map on page 19. The worst offenders in terms of high serious delinquency rates are NV, IL, MD, FL, NJ, ME and NY.

5. Page 20. On a percentage basis, CA and AZ are working through their distress the fastest, which is less surprising now that they are starting from a lower base as before. Surprisingly, NV and FL are third and fourth fastest (surprising because they are starting with a high base…it’s tough to have a big percentage decrease starting at a high base). NJ and NY are still growing their seriously delinquent pool.

Does this mean that FL and NV are finally getting their act together and that NJ/NY will be moving to the top of the crap pile when it comes to high proportion of loans in serious delinquency?

Page 42 has a great summary on a state-by-state basis.

 
Comment by Neuromance
2013-07-05 18:59:09

Ben Jones: I suppose the GSE is going to sue the HOA. The other owners are probably going to sue both.

One of the most amazing statements I ever heard was Eric Holder’s statement that certain banks were de facto above the law:

“The size of some of these institutions becomes so large that it does become difficult for us to prosecute them when we are hit with indications that if you do prosecute, if you do bring a criminal charge, it will have a negative impact on the national economy,” he said. “That is a function of the fact that some of these institutions have become too large.” — The Hill

Combined with the PBS Frontline story, “The Untouchables” in which Lanny Breuer, chief of DOJ’s criminal division, admitted that financial institutions were not prosecuted because of possible impact on the economy. Breuer by the way has gone back to Covington and Burlington which, according to the Washington Post, “represented corporations that were investigated by the criminal division during Breuer’s time as division chief.” The revolving door represents third world levels of corruptions but with a veneer of blue suits, mahogany desks and marble.

Then the head of the SEC says that “federal prosecutors should consider the “collateral consequences” of bringing a criminal indictment against financial institutions.”

The destructive implications for a society supposedly based on the rule of law, to have entities above the law are enormous.

Even during his decapitation spree, Henry VIII made sure to operate within some legal framework, no matter how specious.

People are quite sanguine about this right now. The bread and circuses are sufficient to keep their attention. But top political and law enforcement officials creating a precedent like this does just that - creates a precedent.

And one day, it might be Blackwater or Dyncorp that become too big to fail.

 
Comment by "Uncle Fed, why won't you love ME?"
2013-07-05 19:58:43

If certain banks are going to be above the law, then I want to be below the law, just to even things out. Sound fair?

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-05 22:53:13

“…if you do prosecute, if you do bring a criminal charge, it will have a negative impact on the national economy…”

There it is: Eric Holder’s ‘Too Big to Jail’ doctrine.

 
 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-07-05 13:53:46

Why should I dispute the data, this is great stuff to pick through for more granular details.

“This inventory consists of properties with mortgages that are over 90-days delinquent, but which have not yet completed the foreclosure process and therefore have not yet hit the active real estate market.”

The 1.7MM homes are delinquent AND in the foreclosure process (but not completed the foreclosure process). They note that this rate is 9.4%. How do they get to this number?…it’s the largest number I’ve seen. Where are these delinquent homes? Are they uniformly spread out throughout the US?

Part of the clue is here, where they get the data on the GSEs.

http://www.fhfa.gov/webfiles/24858/3q12FPR_final.pdf

Page 17 has a state-by-state breakdown. Page 18 has the delinquency rates shaded by state. You’ll note that many of the states have serious delinquency rates under 4% (including CA and AZ). The biggest culprits in terms of serious delinquencies are:

NV, FL, IL, NY, NJ, MD, ME

They then breakdown the states with the highest number and rates of delinquent loans…SERIOUS delinquencies (90+ days) are:

FL is at 10%
NV is at 7.8%
NJ is 6.6%
IL is 4.6%
MD is 4.4%
CA is 2.1%
NY is 4.5%
AZ is 2.5%
WA is 3.5%
ID is 2.3%

Page 29 has the combined data for the Enterprises. As of Q3 2012, the Serious Delinquency Rate shown is 3.39%.

So, Ooops, seems like the Serious Delinquency Rate is A LOT less than 9.4% for the GSEs (which are much larger than FHA in terms of total loan counts).

So, where does the 9.4% number come from?

As it turns out, the FHA is a different story…they are at 9.4%:

http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/documents/huddoc%3Fid%3Dfhartc_q3_2012.pdf

Perhaps those writing the reports don’t understand that the FHA is different than the GSEs? And that a 9.4% serious delinquency rate for the FHA does NOT mean that the GSEs are also 9.4% seriously delinquent?

A quick check 1.7MM divided by 9.4% means that this report implies the total number of loans held by the GSEs and FHA are 18 million (out of about 50 million in the US as a whole). This number is far too small. The GSE report alone notes that the GSEs hold 28 million loans.

What are the current FHA loan counts? The report that notes a total of 741k homes that are seriously delinquent…backing out a rate of 9.4%, this means that there must be a total of approximately 7.9 million loans that are currently FHA…right?

OK.

Total loan counts for the GSEs are about 28 million (from the above noted report).

So, GSE’s represent approximately 28/(28+8)=78% of the whole government involvement, and FHA with the rest.

So, the ACTUAL blended average of serious delinquent percentage is 78%*3.4% (rounding a bit here) PLUS 22%*9.4%=4.7%.

So, when you dig into the data, you get to a total Serious Delinquency Rate of about 4.7% for the GSE PLUS FHA universe. This makes far more sense based on other research I’ve done.

This is clearly not good, since “normal” is closer to 1%, but 4.7% is not 9.4%. What am I missing?

P.S. The FHFA recently released their “Foreclosure Prevention Report” for the first quarter 2013:

http://www.fhfa.gov/webfiles/25340/ForeclosurePreventionReport1q2013FINAL.pdf

The Seriously Delinquency Rate is now 3.02% in the US as a whole (Page 31). Page 19 still shows the main culprits are the same (primarily judicial foreclosure states).

California is now 1.6%, down from 2.1% as of Q3 2012.
AZ is now 1.8%, down from 2.5% as of Q3 2012.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. If the judicial states ever begin to foreclose at a more rapid rate (and work through their distress faster), we will see major problems in those states. NON-judicial states have largely worked through their issues.

Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2013-07-05 17:13:04

And all of that “data” is worth less than the toilet paper it is printed upon. Propaganda for the shills or feeble-minded that would quote or believe it. What did these same “experts” say a few years ago when Bubble 1.0 was getting ready to pop?

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Comment by Pete
2013-07-05 17:31:21

“What did these same “experts” say a few years ago when Bubble 1.0 was getting ready to pop?”

Where in his post did he quote an ‘expert’?

 
Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2013-07-05 18:49:53

Where was the raw data derived? Looks like FHFA. Were they warning of an impending bubble burst?

http://www.fhfa.gov/webfiles/24858/3q12FPR_final.pdf

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-07-05 20:20:26

“And all of that “data” is worth less than the toilet paper it is printed upon. Propaganda for the shills or feeble-minded that would quote or believe it. What did these same “experts” say a few years ago when Bubble 1.0 was getting ready to pop?”

Which is precisely why known liars and borderline criminals like “Rental Watch” quote it so frequently.

Yeah…. borderline criminal. Stand by.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-07-05 22:46:44

Ben posted the source, and half mocked me for not using the HUD/FHFA data, but instead using Corelogic as a data source.

So, I went from an article in the Washington Guardian, followed it to the summary report, and followed that summary report to the source data, all to show that the original article misstated reality. And then I looked at more recent source data to see where things are headed.

And now, since people don’t like what the HUD/FHFA data really says about where the shadow inventory is located (and how much there is), it’s garbage data not worth the paper it’s written on?

The report came from the HUD Office of Inspector General, and the FHFA Office of Inspector General…they derived data from HUD and the FHFA.

So, I take it we should add HUD and the FHFA as sources not to be trusted…unless of course you think their data supports your view, in which case they ARE to be trusted?

The conspiracy is getting bigger every day.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-07-05 22:51:16

BTW Beer and Cigar Guy, as far as I can tell, the FHFA didn’t produce such a report until after the crash…everything was hunky dory, why would they look at non-existent delinquency rates?

 
 
Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2013-07-05 17:14:57

“Why should I dispute the data, this is great stuff to pick through for more granular details.”

Granular details indeed. Peanuts and corn… Enjoy your meal.

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Comment by Robin
2013-07-05 20:24:14

My weekend quest is to establish what we on the HBB believe the first-time purchasers of housing (around 30% of purchasers) will choose for financing.

My personal opinion is, as rates rapidly rise, 50% of them will, sadly, choose an ARM vs. a fixed, a self-fulfilling prophecy IMHO. Low post-grad income a factor.

What do you think?

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-07-05 20:38:35

I think you’re an underwater donkey hoping for a miracle.

Keep hoping.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-07-05 22:48:22

@Robin,

I think they’ll choose a fixed rate as long as they can afford it. And only when they need the ARM to afford the home will we start to see ARMs in greater and greater numbers.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-07-06 06:13:46

You’re a lying shill using “data” published by the housing crime syndicate.

You’re a criminal.

 
 
 
 
 
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