July 20, 2013

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 05:06:14

Sounds like the effort to end too-big-to-fail is serious, and international in scope.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 05:16:17

I’m definitely on board with the notion of TBTF megabanks and insurers making their own funeral arrangements AND prefunding them!

Allianz Joins AIG on List of Too-Big-to-Fail Insurers
By Carolyn Bandel & Zachary Tracer - Jul 19, 2013 7:59 AM PT

A “Too big to fail” sign is held up by Occupy Wall Street movement demonstrators at Union Square in New York. Insurers identified as too big to fail will have to hold higher reserves and draw up recovery and resolution plans to limit the economic fallout should they go bust, the International Association of Insurance Supervisors said. Photographer: Victor J. Blue/Bloomberg

American International Group Inc. (AIG) signage is displayed outside of the company’s offices in New York. AIG received a U.S. rescue that began in 2008 and swelled to as much as $182.3 billion to save the firm from collapse, after bets tied to housing soured. Photographer: Scott Eells/Bloomberg

American International Group Inc. (AIG) and Allianz SE (ALV) are among insurers deemed systemically important by global financial rule makers, meaning they may face tougher capital standards and tighter regulation.

The list of nine too-big-to-fail insurers, including MetLife Inc. (MET) and Prudential Financial Inc. (PRU) in the U.S. and France’s Axa SA (CS), was published late yesterday by the Financial Stability Board, the Basel, Switzerland-based body set up by the Group of 20 nations.

The FSB, led by Bank of England Governor Mark Carney, is coordinating global regulators’ response to the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression to prevent a repeat of the turmoil that followed the collapse of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. and bailout of AIG.

“Today marks an important step toward more broadly addressing the risks associated with systemically important financial institutions,” Carney said in a statement on the FSB’s website. “A sound capital and supervisory framework for the insurance sector is essential for supporting financial stability.”

Also on the list are Prudential Plc and Aviva Plc (AV/) of the U.K., China’s Ping An Insurance Group Co. (2318) and Italy’s Assicurazioni Generali SpA. (G)

Systemic Risk

“Even though we continue to be of the opinion that the insurance business in general and Allianz in particular does not represent a systemic risk, we acknowledge the decision of the FSB and will continue to support its efforts for more stable financial markets,” Dieter Wemmer, chief financial officer of Munich-based Allianz, said in a statement today. “We are well positioned to manage the new requirements.”

Allianz shares dropped as much as 1.2 percent and were down 0.2 percent at 4:41 p.m. in Frankfurt trading, valuing the company at 53.6 billion euros ($70.3 billion). Aviva shares dropped 0.1 percent and Generali slid 0.4 percent. Prudential Plc (PRU) shares rose 0.3 percent in London.

“The FSB’s decision on this issue is not a rational but rather a political one,” said Stefan Schuermann, a Zurich-based analyst with Vontobel Holding AG. (VONN) “As we don’t have any global solvency standards, we don’t really know yet what the implications will be for the companies on this list.”

‘Loss Absorbency’

Insurers identified as too big to fail will have draw up recovery and resolution plans to limit the economic fallout should they go bust, the International Association of Insurance Supervisors said.

Implementation details for higher “loss absorbency requirements” are to be developed by the end of 2015 and will apply from January 2019, the FSB said. The nine companies on the list, which will be revised every year, will immediately face stricter supervision, the FSB said.

“Since the financial crisis, supervisors across the sector have worked diligently to address risks to the global financial system from systemically important financial institutions,” Peter Braumueller, chairman of the IAIS executive committee, said in a statement. “The measures and framework put forward by the IAIS today complete a major piece of this reform in a manner specifically designed for the insurance sector.”

Comment by Skroodle
2013-07-20 09:00:50

AIG Plan

#1. Get bailout from Federal Government.
#2. Pay bonuses.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 10:43:23

#3. Make more st00pid gambles during the next boom.
#4. Blow up during the next bust.
#5. Return to #1.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 05:18:19

New Glass-Steagall Is Needed to Protect Main Street From Wall Street: Ritholtz
By Matt Nesto | Breakout – Thu, Jul 18, 2013 9:43 AM EDT

It’s called the 21st Century Glass-Steagall Act and it’s aimed at breaking up the country’s 29 systemically important institutions, typically referred to as being “too big to fail.”

Industry opposition to the proposed return of Glass-Steagall has been predictably strong, with most big players claiming any curtailment of the size and scope of their businesses would put them at a competitive disadvantage to their global peers. Critics also claim it will eliminate much-needed diversity in their business models that helps financial institutions survive when times get tough.

In spite of the arguments, Barry Ritholtz, the CEO of Fusion IQ and author of Bailout Nation, isn’t buying it.

“You can’t stop fraud but you can make the penalties so severe that most people won’t engage in it,” Ritholtz says in the attached video, adding “that’s what we have moved away from over the past few decades.”

Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-07-20 13:16:50

“You can’t stop fraud but you can make the penalties so severe that most people won’t engage in it…that’s what we have moved away from over the past few decades.

Let’s see, “few” means more than a couple, so like three. Three decades, thirty years about. Let’s see, what happened about thirty years ago…Oh, yeah! Ronnie Reagan was elected, he promptly fired Volcker, appointed Greenspan, and began trickle down economics and deregulating the financial markets.

Yep, “a few decades ago” nails it! That’s when the seeds of our current depression were planted and nurtured.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 05:20:30

Megabank, Inc’s campaign to thwart efforts to end TBTF must be pretty intense. How much of their Monopoly money profits are they devoting to this effort?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 05:22:32

CNBC pulls video of Elizabeth Warren smacking down anchor over Glass-Steagall
7/19/2013 7:00am by John Aravosis 90 Comments

Earlier this week, Democratic Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) went on CNBC last Friday to debate the Glass-Steagall banking regulations that were adopted in 1933, and her proposal to update and strengthen the law in a way that would likely force the big banks to spin off some of their business and stop being so damn big.

As you can imagine, CNBC is no fan of Glass Steagall, regulating banks, or Elizabeth Warren.

During her appearance on CNBC, Warren basically kicked ass, the video went viral, with over 700,000 views in a matter of days, so CNBC pulled it.

Here’s what sits in place of the video now:

Elizabeth-Warren-CNBC-Glass-Stegall-

And where did CNBC pull the video from? They filed a complaint with YouTube and had the video yanked from the Senator’s official YouTube account - but only after it had accumulated over 700,000 views in a matter of days.

Apparently, the buzz over Warren’s appearance got so great, that CNBC anchor Jim Cramer had to try to shoot it down on Twitter (h/t to HuffPo for that point):

Jim Cramer ✔ @jimcramer

There is some weird strain of thought that CNBC got beaten by Senator Warren. I like the senator but she had NO impact. Sorry..
3:54 AM - 17 Jul 2013

Yeah, Elizabeth Warren had so little impact that CNBC filed a complaint against the YouTube account of a United States Senator in order to get the no-impact video pulled.

Comment by oxide
2013-07-20 10:11:17

I posted this before, but it bears repeating:

The PBS business show Nightly Business Report used to be a really good, serious, business friendly but non-partisan news show. When Paul Kangas retired in 2009, show quality went into the toilet and viewership went down. PBS pulled the funding to produce the show, although local PBS stations still aired it. The show it bounced around some other owners, including private equity, and they fired most of the staff.

In March the show was bought by CNBC, and it’s a real POS, yet WETA (DC public station) is still airing it, effectively cashing in on Paul Kangas’ hard-earned reputation. I’m seriously considering decreasing my PBS contribution just on the principle of the thing.

CNBC will not succeed in hiding the Warren video. Lib websites know very well that such things are pulled, and they save videos and screencaps. I think they still have the homepage of Mitt Romney’s victory website.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 10:48:02

At least the Amateur Hour campaign crew didn’t accidentally start shooting off fireworks.

One final gaffe: ‘President’ Mitt’s victory website goes live
Guy Adams
Friday 09 November 2012

A square-jawed “President-elect” Mitt Romney was pictured looking purposefully into the future yesterday, standing at a star-spangled lectern to declare: “I’m excited about our prospects as a nation. My priority is putting people back to work in America.”

The triumphant scene came not from the former Republican candidate’s dreams, but from his official “victory” website, which appears to have gone live accidentally as votes were being counted on Tuesday evening, thanks to a mistake by fat-fingered campaign staffers.

It was quickly removed, but not before the Political Wire blog had grabbed screenshots of several pages, in which Mr Romney promised to create a “smaller, simpler, smarter” America and offered a guide to his scheduled inauguration, on 20 January.

It was also revealed last night that Mitt Romney’s campaign had planned to launch an eight-minute fireworks show over Boston Harbour had he won, The Boston Globe reports.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 14:18:47

‘A square-jawed “President-elect” Mitt Romney was pictured looking purposefully into the future yesterday, standing at a star-spangled lectern…’

I.e. they took his ‘President elect’ photo before the votes were counted. You have to admire the preparation effort.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2013-07-20 15:16:12

Not surprising really. I mean, major league sports teams get shirts and hats made up with “(insert league here) Champions!!” graphics.

I went to the NCAA tourney in New Orleans. In the 5-10 minutes it took to leave our seats after the championship game ended and arrive in the concession areas, they already had the champ’s celebratory clothing out and ready for (impulse, ie - WAY overpriced) purchase.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 16:28:20

I suppose sporting events, political elections and circuses all belong in the same category when you boil them down…

 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 05:44:56

The effort to kill this bill must be squeezing Megabank, Inc’s profit margins!

Bipartisan Senate Megabank Bill Would Split Banking from Insurance, Other Risks
July 11, 2013

A small bipartisan group of U.S. senators on Thursday introduced legislation that would break up Wall Street’s megabanks by separating traditional banking activity from riskier financial services.

The bill, called the 21st Century Glass-Steagall Act, has an uncertain future, but it shows some lawmakers’ frustration that banks have only continued to grow since the 2007-2009 financial crisis.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 05:45:56
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Comment by Strawberry picker
2013-07-20 06:44:37

Zero chance of passing. 0.0. Simple political grandstanding.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 12:57:14

Is the main point of this jawboning exercise to create the appearance that government leaders are “doing something” while running out the clock on the period when most people remember the Fall 2008 financial panic and subsequent bailout well enough to care?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-07-20 14:51:55

Simple political grandstanding.

So when our elected officials attempt to do something most of us want them to do, it’s all just fake posturing?

Seems kind of jaded.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 15:25:19

“Seems kind of jaded.”

How can anyone who has paid attention over the past several decades possibly not be jaded by now?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-07-20 16:08:42

possibly not be jaded by now?

Everyone knows an ant can’t…move a rubber tree plant.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 16:32:46

That said, enough Lilliputians can tie down a much larger Gulliver.

 
 
 
Comment by azdude
2013-07-20 05:52:45

Do you believe these earnings numbers the banks are posting? they are making a profit from loan loss reserves, bs on that.

Look at the revenues of some of the big companies reporting. Msft, goog, ibm, yhoo, ge, intc

you can bs earnings but revenues are a better indicator of a company.

I laugh when I see Citi all of sudden making money and there stock . 50. Weren’t they < 5 bucks awhile back.

Comment by I saw it coming
2013-07-20 06:33:42

Same thing with tech company earnings.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-07-20 14:59:15

Weren’t they < 5 bucks awhile back.

They did a 10:1 reverse stock split a few years ago.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 05:27:38

Does America need a 21st century Glass-Steagall Act?
Sen. Elizabeth Warren thinks so, and is gearing up for some “financial rabble-rousing”

By Sergio Hernandez | July 19, 2013
Comments
Watch out, Wall Street.
Watch out, Wall Street.

Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) is gearing up for some “financial rabble-rousing,” said Kevin Roose at New York. Last week, she introduced a bill that would force big banks to split apart their commercial and investment banking operations. Dubbed the “21st Century Glass-Steagall Act” because it reinstates key provisions of the repealed 1933 Glass-Steagall Act, the bill aims to “make the entire banking system safer and less crisis-prone” by shrinking big banks and making it harder for those with federally insured deposits to engage in “risky stuff.” Even with the co-sponsorship of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), the bill has “virtually no chance of passing,” but that’s not Warren’s true aim; she’s really playing a “long game” of convincing legislators that “on issues involving Wall Street, the center isn’t where you think it is.” A shift in the political consensus “will do much more damage to Wall Street in the long term than simply breaking up a few banks.”

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 05:34:22

Investment Banking | Legal/Regulatory July 11, 2013, 9:04 pm
Senators Introduce Bill to Separate Trading Activities From Big Banks
By PETER EAVIS
11:32 a.m. | Updated

Senator Elizabeth Warren on Thursday introduced an aggressive piece of legislation that intends to take the financial industry back to an era when there was a strict divide between traditional banking and speculative activities.

The bill, which is also sponsored by Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, and two other senators, is named the 21st Century Glass-Steagall Act. Its intention is to create a modern version of the seminal Glass-Steagall legislation from the 1930s, which placed firm limits on what regulated banks could do. It was fully repealed in 1999, laying the groundwork for the mergers that created some of the biggest banks of today. If passed, it could force many of those banks to let go of their trading operations.

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-20 08:21:15

“The bill, which is also sponsored by Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona,”

3 things you can be certain of in life

Death
Taxes
John McCain stabbing his party in the back

Comment by Skroodle
2013-07-20 09:02:13

Stabbing his party? Really?

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Comment by Strawberry picker
2013-07-20 09:31:47

What’s the backstabbing? He knows this has zero chance of passing, so he gets some good grandstanding points at little cost.

1. Death
2. Taxes
3. Political grandstanding (by Lieawatha, McCompanyman and the rest)

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Comment by Skroodle
2013-07-20 09:38:59

I sure hope the Republican Party can recover.

 
 
Comment by (Still) Waiting for the Fall
2013-07-20 10:33:10

God, I miss Joe Mc Carthy, don’t you? But now that the Commies are gone, who’s ta hate? Of course there’s China, but we haffta be nice to them, you know.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-07-20 15:03:07

now that the Commies are gone, who’s ta hate?

The 47%?

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 12:58:16

John McCain stabbing his party in the back looking out for the interests of all Americans.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-07-20 15:04:58

No, I think it’s:

John McCain, stabbing his party in the back, looking out for the interests of all Americans.

 
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine, CA
2013-07-20 18:33:03

So rewarding 12 million criminals with citizenship (thus instant welfare, Democrat Party voters, etc) is “looking out for the interests of all Americans.”

Yeah I get it.

 
 
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine, CA
2013-07-20 13:46:47

Republicans are not the individual responsibility party. Stopped being so decades ago. The Republican party is Democrat-lite: fewer calories but the hacks end up getting fat anyway.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 05:41:57

For the sake of my kids and the rest of the next generation, I certainly hope the effort to rein in Megabank, Inc and its grab bag of financial tricks and traps is wildly successful!

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 06:41:07

Dodd and Frank = WOLVES IN SHEEPSKINS.

And never forget that Dodd was a Friend of Angelo.

Ted Kaufman, Contributor
7/19/2013 @ 9:30AM
Set Up To Fail: Dodd-Frank Leaves Bank Regulators Overwhelmed, Underfunded
President Franklin D. Roosevelt is shown at the White House as he signed the Glass-Steagall Banking bill, Aug. 23, 1935. Among the bill’s merits: Congress wrote specific rules for regulators to follow, rather than asking regulators to flesh out the details, as Dodd-Frank did. (AP Photo)

This is the third in an 11-part series on the failed promises of the Dodd-Frank financial reform package and the continued, dangerous imbalances in our financial system. Click here for part 1 and part 2.

With the third anniversary of the signing into law of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform act approaching Sunday, one might assume that all the regulations called for in the legislation would be in place by now.

Not even close. According to the law firm Davis Polk, Dodd-Frank required the regulatory agencies to institute a total of 398 rules. To date only 155 have been finalized.

What are the consequences? Sheila Bair, former head of the FDIC, said it best: “This stuff doesn’t get any better with time. The longer you wait to finalize the rules, the more they get watered down, the more exceptions that get built in, people’s memories about the crisis start to fade and the pressure isn’t there.”

How did this happen? I believe failure was baked into Dodd-Frank from the beginning, when the President and Congress decided against writing a law with specific provisions that would solve the problem. Instead, Dodd-Frank provided vague guidelines to the federal financial regulators. It was up to them to produce the actual rules. And, as always, the devil is in the details.

Many of us in Congress fought this approach. We wanted to do what the President and Congress did after the 1929 stock market crash and the beginnings of the Great Depression. They created the Pecora Commission to study what had happened and to make specific recommendations. The result was the 37-page Glass-Steagall Act of 1933. It fundamentally changed our banking industry, and it helped protect us from a major financial crisis until it was repealed in 1999.

Comment by Neuromance
2013-07-20 09:14:57

Dodd Frank was two things:

1) A classic attempt to avoid addressing root causes.
2) A classic attempt to use complexity to create loopholes.

 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-07-20 06:48:22

Sounds like the effort to end too-big-to-fail is serious,

Of course they want it to _sound_ like the effort is serious; that’s good PR.

The reality? We are now five years past the point where the issue could no longer be ignored, and how much progress has there been?

Negative progress, that’s how much: TBTF is bigger than it ever was.

 
Comment by Combotechie
2013-07-20 06:49:29

I wouldn’t want to confuse Too Structured To Fail with Too Big To Fail.

The too are not quite the same thing.

Comment by Combotechie
2013-07-20 07:27:57

I think a better realization of the dangers of allowing a TBTF bank to fail would not focused on its size but rather on its interlocking connections with other banks.

The TBTFs are TBTF because a failure of one will threaten the solvency of the others. The threat may turn out not be real for a particular bank that is interlocked with a failed TBTF but Mr. Market probably will not realize this until much later.

It’s important to recognize that these big banks, among other things, are clearinghouses for financial transactions. If it is thought that a transaction will not clear then the transaction will not happen.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 13:09:44

“The TBTFs are TBTF because a failure of one will threaten the solvency of the others.”

Break up the banks into small-enough-to-fail constituent parts, and break up the risk to the global financial system due to the Sword of Damocles created by a few very large banks with Lehmanesque interconnections…

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-07-20 16:39:47

It’s important to recognize that these big banks, among other things, are clearinghouses for financial transactions. If it is thought that a transaction will not clear then the transaction will not happen.

And that’s precisely why any financial organization that is a clearinghouse for financial transactions should be:

- heavily regulated.
- deeply capitalized.
- allowed to take very close to zero risk.

Clearinghouses should be considered public utilities.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 13:00:34

I believe it is hard to have Too Structured To Fail without To Big to Fail. It is far easier to create a systemically risky structure when the only ingredients needed are a few 800 lb financial gorillas whose failure would endanger the entire global economy.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 10:32:40

ft dot com
Last updated: July 1, 2013 12:31 pm
Banks charged with blocking CDS market
By Alex Barker in Brussels and Philip Stafford in London

Investment banks’ 20-year grip over credit insurance markets has come under regulatory assault as Brussels served charges against 13 banks for allegedly conspiring to block exchanges from challenging their business model.

The formal European Commission charge-sheet, running to almost 400 pages, alleges collusion to ensure the insurance-like contracts remained an “over-the-counter” (OTC) product – preserving the banks’ lucrative role as middlemen.

Investigators claim the banks from 2006-2009 protected their indispensable position in the $25tn global market through “control” of a trade body and information provider, which vetted whether new exchanges should be licensed.

Credit Default Swaps provide insurance against a default on bond payments and are used by investors to manage risk and bet on creditworthiness. During the eurozone crisis some European politicians railed against the contracts as symbols of reckless speculation.

If the commission acts on the charges, the 13 banks, the International Swaps and Derivatives Association (Isda), a derivatives trade body, and Markit, the main data handler for CDS, could face fines of up to 10 per cent of global turnover.

Brussels alleges that the harm from blocking exchanges, such as Deutsche Börse and CME Group of the US, went beyond trapping investors in the relatively more costly OTC market.

Joaquín Almunia, the EU’s competition chief, said keeping CDS in the opaque OTC market weakened the financial system, increasing counterparty risks that were brutally exposed after the collapse of Lehman Brothers.

“Over-the-counter trading is not only more expensive for investors than exchange trading, it is also prone to systemic risks,” he said.

New global rules coming into effect will require most swaps deals to be processed through clearing houses, which stand between trading parties and guarantee deals. Many OTC swaps, such as interest rate swaps, have already made the switch but the CDS market has been relatively untouched.

According to Isda only about 10 per cent of a market with an average outstanding notional value of $25tn was cleared last year. Many trades in Europe are cleared via IntercontinentalExchange, a US exchanges operator. Mr Almunia said several banks “also sought to shut out exchanges in other ways, for example by coordinating the choice of their preferred clearing house”.

US antitrust authorities are also investigating the CDS market and the relationship between Markit and the banks that part-own it. Banks and data providers are already facing private suits in the wake of the regulatory scrutiny. A pension fund for Ohio-based sheet metal workers argued that banks’ “collective dominance” inflated CDS prices by about 17 to 34 times compared to more transparent exchanges.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 10:42:00

Simon Johnson, a former chief economist of the IMF, is a professor at MIT Sloan, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics, and co-founder of a leading economics blog, …

Jul. 14, 2010
A Roosevelt Moment for America’s Megabanks?
Simon Johnson
Illustration by Paul Lachine

WASHINGTON, DC – Just over a hundred years ago, the United States led the world in terms of rethinking how big business worked – and when the power of such firms should be constrained. In retrospect, the breakthrough legislation – not just for the US, but also internationally – was the Sherman Antitrust Act of 1890.

The Dodd-Frank Financial Reform Bill, which is about to pass the US Senate, does something similar – and long overdue – for banking.

Prior to 1890, big business was widely regarded as more efficient and generally more modern than small business. Most people saw the consolidation of smaller firms into fewer, large firms as a stabilizing development that rewarded success and allowed for further productive investment. The creation of America as a major economic power, after all, was made possible by giant steel mills, integrated railway systems, and the mobilization of enormous energy reserves through such ventures as Standard Oil.

But ever-bigger business also had a profound social impact, and here the ledger entries were not all in the positive column. The people who ran big business were often unscrupulous, and in some cases used their dominant market position to drive out their competitors – enabling the surviving firms subsequently to restrict supply and raise prices.

There was dominance, to be sure, in the local and regional markets of mid-nineteenth-century America, but nothing like what developed in the 50 years that followed. Big business brought major productivity improvements, but it also increased the power of private companies to act in ways that were injurious to the broader marketplace – and to society.

The Sherman Act itself did not change this situation overnight, but, once President Theodore Roosevelt decided to take up the cause, it became a powerful tool that could be used to break up industrial and transportation monopolies. By doing so, Roosevelt and those who followed in his footsteps shifted the consensus.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 15:44:46

The U.S. authorities’ decision to let Lehman Brothers fail will be severely criticised by financial historians—the next generation of Bernankes.”

Here is a more optimistic view: The next generation of financial historians will thank the 2008 U.S. authorities for letting Lehman Brothers fail, as the first step towards ending too-big-to-fail.

 
 
Comment by snowgirl
2013-07-20 05:28:34

Signs of the natives getting restless: National Grid whose energy bills are known to be some of the highest in the nation have asked people to conserve to avoid blackouts. Instead of compliance and fear of no electricity in the wake of this heatwave, the local news’ FB page gauging reaction is a litany of anger and obstinance. Some have even said they’ll max out all their appliances to “show National Grid”. They’re all asking with the delivery rates NG charges which can be higher than the actual electricity charge why isn’t the infrastructure strong enough. I wonder if this anger will hold when the heat breaks later today. I was surprised to see it as people do not readily openly complain here. It’s almost considered a personal weakness.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-07-20 06:00:29

That’s the upstate mentality. “Bend over and take it. We deserve it.”

Comment by azdude
2013-07-20 06:16:16

we are lucky to have an energy monopoly around these parts. they tell you how much your suppose to use and raise rates at will.

Comment by snowgirl
2013-07-20 07:18:00

I just think it’s interesting these people are saying they’re going to turn up all their appliances. It may be heat related but they are starting to bristle at authority, at being told what they can and cannot do. Instead of worrying about a blackout they wanted to send a big middle finger message to National Grid. Personally I’d do my bitching after the heat wave but we’ll see if it’s all forgotten Monday, as I expect.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-07-20 07:32:09

It’s definitely out of character for upstate mopes. Maybe there is hope for them.

 
Comment by Bluestar
2013-07-20 12:13:44

I wonder if these people have Smart Meters? Maybe some folks missed it but one of the main features of a Smart Meter was the ability to do remote disconnects :)
Ironically the heat wave caused a nuclear plant to reduce power at the exact time they need it the most.

“The Pilgrim nuclear power plant was back to full production as of Friday morning, after being forced to temporaily reduce its power output Wednesday.
This week’s heat wave made Cape Cod Bay water too warm to use for cooling the reactor. But Friday morning, the NRC reported that Pilgrim’s production was back at 100 percent.
Carol Wightman, a spokesperson for Pilgrim’s owner, Entergy, confirmed Thursday that the plant reduced its output by 15 percent Wednesday because of a rise in the water temperature.
Wightman declined to comment on what Pilgrim’s power production was for Thursday or whether the plant was close to the shutdown point, saying that the plant could not give out that information in a competitive, deregulated market.”

http://www.patriotledger.com/news/x1815311717/Pilgrim-nuclear-power-plant-forced-to-reduce-power-output

*FYI, I just read a story about a zinc battery that holds 1 megawatt of energy that is the size of a washing machine, lasts 25 years and costs $160 per KWh, compared to between $400 and $1000 per KWh for current battery technologies. If I had that battery hooked up to my solar array I could charge it up in less that 6 months with the excess I currently send back to the grid. Why would I do that? Well ERCOT (the guys who run the Texas grid) will pay over $5,000 a MegaWatt when the grid hits peak load. It would only take 3-4 years to pay it off and from that point on it would net me $3-$4,000 a year. Sweet.

http://www.elp.com/articles/2013/07/eos-energy-storage-develops-1-mw-battery-storage-device.html

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-07-20 13:35:57

“Smart meters”?

That’s the entire point. The transmission and distribution facilities in the northeast are literally falling apart because it’s all 30+ years old. I got my start as a lineman and aerial construction back in the early1980’s as a youngin’. Select any street and 8 out of 10 utility poles are unsafe to climb. Any street. Forget the condition of the equipment hung from those poles. It’s decrepit and service and reliability is spiraling down. The frequency of outages is increasing and the durations are now into days and weeks. I dumped $2k for a genset because I’m not going without for weeks at a time yet every month I pay them for reliability. They OWE me $2k. Yet people still make excuses for the thieving magpies running these utilities. The level of stupidity of ratepayers is stunning.

People don’t get. They just don’t get it. They’re completely detached from reality. They understand nothing. This is what I mean when I say “people don’t understand the value of a dollar.”

 
Comment by ahansen
2013-07-20 23:20:59

Very cool development, Bluestar. Thanks for posting.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Combotechie
2013-07-20 08:09:37

So, to protest against the price of a product you plan on consuming more of it?

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-07-20 09:02:04

What are you….. Slithers?

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-07-20 17:06:50

the local news’ FB page gauging reaction

Selection bias.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 05:48:03

What are the implications of Detroit’s bankruptcy for other American cities facing similar problems?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 05:49:22

Detroit Bankruptcy: As Its Own Worst Enemy, the City Got What It Deserved
Posted: July 19, 2013 at 6:10 am

If the residents of the city of Detroit want to blame any person or organization for its Chapter 9 filing, they only need to look as far as the unions that controlled labor there and the politicians who ran it over the past four decades. Detroit earned its bankruptcy the easy way — through greed, the desire for political power and poor planning.

Kevyn D. Orr, the city’s emergency manager, offered all interested parties a likely way to avoid the bankruptcy filing just weeks ago. Employees of Detroit, past and present, could share the pain of the restructuring of financial obligations with bond holders. Each blamed the other for the city’s problems. Each said the other should absorb the brunt of a restructuring. Neither budged. Orr ran out of options, as two city pension funds went to court to try to protect their assets, motivated by a final grab for Detroit’s money.

The media’s take on Detroit was to post pictures of rundown and vacant homes and to publish the estimates of Detroit’s obligations — about $19 billion. The press also has pointed out the clear conclusion that bond owners will take cents on the dollar. Unions will have parts of pension obligations voided. City workers will lose their jobs. The two largest employers in Detroit are the school system and the city itself. These workers dwarf the number employed by General Motors Co. (NYSE: GM) and Chrysler. Ford Motor Co. (NYSE: F) barely has a presence in Detroit any more. Detroit is a city where the employee base is tilted away from private enterprise — a rarity, if not a uniqueness.

Comment by Skroodle
2013-07-20 09:05:23

But Wall Street firms that sold/bought Detriot bonds are still smart investors, right?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 14:01:25

I would guess most if not all Wall Street firms with vulture fund investments in Detroit were hedged; either that or they were stupid and deserve whatever losses come their way.

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Comment by azdude
2013-07-20 05:55:56

rack up more debt and then have it dissolved?

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 05:56:26

One take-home lesson:

Cities willing to tolerate a crime rate that drives out law-abiding citizens can lose their population and industry, leading to eventual collapse.

(Observation by a refugee from a high-crime rust belt city…)

Comment by spook
2013-07-20 06:12:54

^This^

Or to translate, “you are on your own”.

Ive been to Detroit twice in the last 16 months for a total of two weeks. I stayed at a place called “River House” on the Detroit river; a beautiful 9th floor condo purchased for 100K in 2002.

Its been on the market since Feb.

They MIGHT get 35K for it, if they’re lucky.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 13:26:05

“…purchased for 100K in 2002.

Its been on the market since Feb.

They MIGHT get 35K for it, if they’re lucky.”

The post-bubble collapse has definitely run a different course in Detroit than in Coastal Cali.

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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2013-07-20 15:08:51

Love the marketing on their website. Upscale(-ish) condos attract pseudo Goth chicks and hipster beardos?

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2013-07-20 18:43:31

They MIGHT get 35K for it, if they’re lucky.

Sounds like an urban Oil City.

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Comment by I saw it coming
2013-07-20 06:21:03

Crime is good for gdp, right?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 06:26:32

Sure it is, at least up until the glazier closes his shop and leaves town.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-07-20 06:51:21

Yep—we should reward kids for breaking windows, rather than punish them.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 06:03:43

Analysis: Detroit filing sends benefits’ warning to other cities
Detroit Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr waits to address the media during a news conference about filing bankruptcy for the city of Detroit in Detroit, Michigan July 19, 2013. REUTERS/ Rebecca Cook
By Tiziana Barghini
NEW YORK | Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:11am EDT

(Reuters) - Many U.S. cities have a much better economic outlook than struggling Detroit, but the Motor City’s bankruptcy filing on Thursday should still set off alarm bells elsewhere as the cost of paying retirement benefits swells.

In recent decades, many municipalities have provided their workers with generous retirement benefits, both pensions and health coverage, often in lieu of pay increases. But this has created an unsustainable future burden for budgets that has only been exacerbated by the loss of real estate and other tax revenue in the financial crisis.

In particular, cities like Chicago and Santa Fe, New Mexico, have worryingly high pension liabilities compared to revenue, investors and analysts say.

Detroit’s bankruptcy was years in the making, a result of severe financial mismanagement and a unique decline in Detroit’s population triggered by job losses in the auto and other manufacturing industries, and the exodus of many residents to neighboring areas as the crime rate soared.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 06:12:02

Looks like Megabank, Inc lined up its ducks to come out relatively unscathed, while hapless Detroit pensioners may end up holding the bag.

Analysis & Opinion
Disaster in Detroit
Buying bonds in muniland

Then there are Detroit’s retirees, who, Felix writes, may be getting the worst of this deal. UBS and BofA will get 75 cents on the dollar in a reported deal with Detroit, the WSJ says, while retirees could get just pennies on the dollar. BlackRock, Jason Windawi, and Long have all questioned whether Detroit’s emergency manager is inflating how big the city’s pension problems are: accounting changes caused the city’s unfunded pension liabilities to balloon to $3.5 billion from $650 million over two years, BlackRock says. (This wouldn’t be the first time Detroit’s pension math had been manipulated. More on that multi-decade farce here).

Still, Long writes, “Detroit’s pensions are not, on the surface, excessive.” Neither, says Alec MacGillis, is the auto industry to blame. The larger problem, as Matt Yglesias says, is demographic. Detroit’s population has been cut in half to 700,000 since 1970, steadily destroying the city’s tax base. And MacGillis notes that Detroit encompasses 139 square miles — enough to fit all of Boston, Manhattan and San Francisco in its borders. That land isn’t an asset, he writes: rather, it’s a resource-draining curse. — Ryan McCarthy

Comment by Strawberry picker
2013-07-20 07:49:15

I’m curious, since the population was halved do they have half the number of cops, firefighters and teachers as back then?

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-20 08:26:07

“I’m curious, since the population was halved do they have half the number of cops, firefighters and teachers as back then?”

The real problem is the pension commitments. 1/2 the population paying for 100% of the pension commitments of municipal workers from 20, 30, 40 years ago. And that 1/2 is the poor, uneducated, unemployable, ie non-tax paying half.

Liberalism in a nutshell.

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Comment by Combotechie
2013-07-20 08:30:59

“Liberalism in a nutshell.”

More a matter of math than some sort of ideology.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-20 08:39:04

No, the ideology is the math. As in, liberals think they can just tax and borrow an infinite amount of money to pay their union cronies inflated salaries/benefits for an infinite period of time.

Members of the “party of science” Democrats can’t even do simple arithmetic. Which isn’t surprising given that most of them graduate with a degree in 14th Century African Poetry and a minor in Womens Studies.

 
Comment by Combotechie
2013-07-20 08:45:30

If you were to scratch out the word “liberal” and substitute the word “politician” in its place then I may tend to agree with you.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-20 08:54:41

Detroit has been run by liberal Democrats for 60 years exclusively. So has Chicago. So has Philadelphia. So has pretty much every big bankrupt city in the country. Don’t give me this “it’s a bipartisan problem” BS. It’s not. It’s a liberal tax/spend/borrow problem. End of story.

 
Comment by Combotechie
2013-07-20 09:02:13

“Don’t give me this ‘it’s a bipartisan problem’ BS.”

I’m not: I’m giving you a political problem.

If the non-liberals were such prudent money managers why is our counry’s national debt going through the roof?

 
Comment by Skroodle
2013-07-20 09:09:34

Unless the square footage of the city decreased along with the population, you need the same number of fire stations/firemen, police, sewer workers, utility workers, street pavers, etc.

Possibly more as abandoned houses create more issues.

 
Comment by Skroodle
2013-07-20 09:13:11

Interestingly enough, although the populations are almost the same, Fort Worth is 298.9 sq miles while Detroit is 142.9 sq miles.

 
Comment by tresho
2013-07-20 09:16:22

Possibly more as abandoned houses create more issues.
Hogwash! Abandoned streets don’t need repaving, abandoned houses don’t need their utilities maintained or upgraded. These areas may well need demolition, but that is another issue which has been studiously avoided by politicians and the media alike.

 
Comment by Skroodle
2013-07-20 09:42:13

If there is one occupied house on a street, swear, water, gas, electricity must all be maintained.

And yes, empty houses attract all sorts, from rodents to meth labs.

 
Comment by Strawberry picker
2013-07-20 09:45:18

Skroodle, I get what you are saying and I agree to a small extent that it could apply. But aren’t there fewer people to start fires accidentally? Fewer smokers, fewer houses with gas or electricity, etc.?

And what about the teachers and the cops I was asking about? Do we really need the same number of guards in a prison with half the number of prisoners?

I did find something on Wikipedia saying the number of sworn officers decreased 33% from 2000 to 2011′ so who knows maybe there has been a commensurate reduction.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-20 10:26:33

“I’m not: I’m giving you a political problem.

If the non-liberals were such prudent money managers why is our counry’s national debt going through the roof?”

Let’s try to stick to the topic at hand.

Detroit has been run by Democrats for 50+ years. So has every big city in the US (with NYC as the one exception for a few years in the late 90s, early 00s). These Democrats have ravaged the cities. They are all broke. Why do you refuse to acknowledge this? Liberals killed the cities. They drove out business, they drove out productive citizens, they increased spending, they destroyed education. All by themselves. Yet somehow in your eyes it’s not a liberal issue. Come on.

 
Comment by (Still) Waiting for the Fall
2013-07-20 11:15:25

Does the phrase “BIG MAC’ mean anything more to you than the iconic McDoodoo mystery sandwich? The Big Apple went belly up (that’s right, bankrupt) in the seventies, probably before most of you could read. Hugh Carey, the Democratic Governor created a Municipal Assistance Corporation to independently rescue it from default. I call BS on the partisanship. You’ll probably tell me it was those heinous longshoremen and their evil union that caused it. or the Transit Workers Union. or the Sanitation Workers Union. They made up and got over it. So can they.

 
Comment by Skroodle
2013-07-20 11:47:41

Bing tried a couple years ago to get everyone in Detroit to move closer together so areas of the city could be completely abandoned.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 14:06:52

“…do they have half the number of cops, firefighters and teachers as back then?”

Based on declining response rates to emergency calls, I would guess there are fewer police per capita now than in the 1950s, but I suppose an increase in the share of the population who are criminals or the number of crimes committed per criminal (with the same number of cops) could also explain this trend.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 06:15:32

OPINION: Lessons from the Detroit disaster
Jul. 19, 2013 7:53 PM
Written by P.G. Sittenfeld

Detroit is an iconic American city, and it was once the fourth largest in the country. While we wish that community the best as it addresses bankruptcy, we should also take away cautionary points and act on protecting Cincinnati’s future.

• Shrinking is dying: Detroit has been diminished from 1,800,000 residents in 1950 to 700,000 today. Cincinnati’s population has decreased by half over the same time period. What is encouraging is that our population is now stabilizing for the first time in 50 years. Growing our population and growing our tax base are essential - not just for vibrancy, but also for solvency.

• Negative cash flow isn’t sustainable: Detroit has run operating budget deficits since 2008; Cincinnati has done so every year since 2000. There’s a pretty simple rule here: If your expenses consistently outpace your revenue – whether in your family budget or our city budget – the future grows bleaker by the year. We must achieve a structurally balanced budget. The city’s ongoing operating deficits are part of why Cincinnati saw our bond rating downgraded just this week: a signal to be taken very, very seriously.

• Don’t govern with yesterday’s tools: Another factor cited as central to Detroit’s demise is that their city services were “crippled by aged computer systems.” Modern technology can play a transforming role in increasing both the efficiency and the effectiveness of government operations. We need to make timely choices in using the best tools available.

• Deliver on the basics first: In Detroit, a staggering 40 percent of streetlights simply don’t work. If we can’t take care of such basics, we’re not likely to be able to win on the big stuff, either. Let’s get our priorities straight. ⬛

P.G. Sittenfeld is a member of Cincinnati City Council.

Comment by tresho
2013-07-20 09:00:10

In Detroit, a staggering 40 percent of streetlights simply don’t work.
And just how does this connect to a 67% drop in the population? Maybe there is NO POINT in lighting up streets where no one remains. News media continue to refuse to do simple math.

Comment by Dale
2013-07-20 23:04:17

do they have any copper left in them?

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 06:18:10

How many other American cities have shrunk to half their former size since 1950 like Detroit did?

Comment by Skroodle
2013-07-20 09:14:20

Buffalo.

 
Comment by I saw it coming
2013-07-20 09:47:55

I don’t know what percentage but following cities are also declining fast and furious….

Cleveland
St. Louis
Toledo
Syracus
Rochester NY
Jacksonville (?)
Fresno(?)
Bakersfield(?)

Comment by jose canusi
2013-07-20 11:24:28

You’re off on Jax, it’s doing OK.

However, I think you can add Gary, Indianapolis, Oakland, Richmond, Birmingham, KC, Hartford, Philly, etc.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 14:14:56

We recently spent the afternoon in downtown Indianapolis, and another one in downtown Cincinnati. We didn’t stick around long enough or tour enough of the surrounding metros to get overall impressions. However, judging from their downtowns, both cities appeared to be thriving compared to my enduring impression of Detroit as a city that looked like it had survived a military attack, based on my one-and-only visit to the city literally a quarter of a century ago!

 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 17:37:52

I compiled statistics on the populations of the ten largest U.S. cities in 1950 (around when my parents got married) compared to recent population levels. I found the data here, here, here, and here.

Lots of the largest U.S. cities in 1950 have lost over half their populations. These numbers are all the more striking when you realize the overall U.S. population increased over this period from 152,271,417 in 1950 to 310,232,863 in 2010 (estimate) — over 100% increase. Of the top ten U.S. cities in 1950, only LA closely followed the overall U.S. population growth rate, and the city with the second highest population growth, NYC, barely saw any increase over the period.

It also seems the percentages of African Americans in the populations ended up at the highest in cities with the largest population losses, with Detroit being an extreme example (not offering any theories about why…just noting the empirical regularity).

Rank1950 City Pop1950 Est2012 PctChg PctBlack
1 New York 7,891,957 8,336,697 5.6% 17.8%
2 Chicago 3,620,962 2,714,856 -25.0% 32.9%
3 Philadelphia 2,071,605 1,547,607 -25.3% 43.4%
4 Los Angeles 1,970,358 3,857,799 95.8% 9.6%
5 Detroit 1,849,568 701,475 -62.1% 82.7%
6 Baltimore 949,708 621,342 -34.6% 63.7%
7 Cleveland 914,808 390,928 -57.3% 53.3%
8 St. Louis 856,796 318,172 -62.9% 49.2%
9 Washington 802,178 632,323 -21.2% 50.70%
10 Boston 801,444 636,479 -20.6% 24.40%

Comment by localandlord
2013-07-21 04:44:11

Let’s look at the statistics for Houston and Atlanta. Is it surprising that the fastest growing cities weren’t in the top 10 60 years ago. Also look at Pittsburgh to demonstrate that a majority white city can have a population decline.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 06:27:58

Legal battle brews over Detroit bankruptcy filing
Detroit: Snapshot of a city in trouble

On July 18, Detroit became the largest U.S. city to file for bankruptcy. The city struggles with high unemployment and diminishing city services. A look at some statistics that shape Detroit:

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 06:32:31

Oh, no, they can’t sell Howdy Doody!

Kevyn Orr: Howdy Doody Not For Sale In Detroit’s Bankruptcy
July 19, 2013 11:14 AM

DETROIT, UNITED STATES: Howdy Doody, one of America’s best-loved puppets as he makes his debut at the Detroit Institute of Arts(D.IA) 06 April 2001 marking his first time on display for the public since the Howdy Doody Show went off the air in 1960. Howdy’s appearance at the DIA. followed a January 2001 decision by US District Court Judge Christopher F. Droney to honor a 1967 contract between Howdy Doody puppeteer Rufus Rose and NBC. The contract specified that Howdy Doody enter the museum’s collection after Rose no longer needed the puppet. AFP PHOTO/Jeff KOWALSKY (Photo: JEFF KOWALSKY/AFP/Getty Images)

DETROIT (CBS Detroit) Among the many questions to come out of Detroit’s historic bankruptcy filing was this: “What happens to the art?”

The Detroit Institute of Art is considered a jewel in the city’s crown, with many valuable pieces of art including the Diego Rivera Detroit Industry Frescoes, works by Wyeth and Whistler, Vincent Van Gogh’s Self-Portrait and William Randolph Hearst’s armor collection.

It turns out the city also owns the original Howdy Doody marionette from the 1950s TV show, from the estate of puppeteer Buffalo Bob Smith — and that has become an odd flashpoint as people across the region try to figure out how the bankruptcy filing hits home.

Howdy Doody One, worth by many estimates at least $1 million, is part of the DIA permanent collection, though it hasn’t been displayed since 2009. The puppet sits in a warehouse.

Since Detroit’s broke, will it be the first thing to go? No, according to state-appointed emergency manager Kevyn Orr.

“Nothing is for sale, including Howdy Doody,” Orr said during his first public comments on the bankruptcy during a Friday press conference.

 
Comment by non-conformist
2013-07-20 06:33:18

Should Hamtramck Erect A 12-Foot Wall To Keep Out Detroiters?

CBS Detroit
Posted on Friday, July 19, 2013 7:20:03 PM
by dynachrome

DETROIT (WWJ) – Prosperous suburbs surrounding Detroit — and even the struggling enclaves within — are working to distance themselves from a city in financial ruin.

In Hamtramck, one City Council candidate is taking that idea to the extreme.

Richard Fabiszak has proposed that Hamtramck build a 12 or 14-foot wall around the city, keeping out Detroiters, and requiring state-issued identification to get in.

“That sounds crazy to me,” one Hamtramck resident told WWJ Newsradio 950′s Sandra McNeil. “I never heard of such a thing. That sounds like something you’d see in a movie — some kind of science fiction movie.”

Resident Felicia Coldhoffer agrees.”Wall off the city and you need ID to come in? That’s insane,” she said.

But, is the crime situation Detroit such that plan like this would make sense to protect Hamtramck?

“It’s getting a little rough and tumble, but, I mean, that’s not the way to fix it. Ya know, you build for the bottom up. You don’t wall it off,” Coldhoffer said.

With a population just over 20,000, Hamtramck is surrounded by the city of Detroit — except for a small portion on the west side that borders the similarly surrounded city of Highland Park.

(Excerpt) Read more at detroit.cbslocal.com …

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3045133/posts -

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 14:16:48

“Richard Fabiszak has proposed that Hamtramck build a 12 or 14-foot wall around the city, keeping out Detroiters, and requiring state-issued identification to get in.”

If it works for Mexicans on America’s southern border, maybe it will also work for Detroiters trying to escape from the imploding inner city into the surrounding suburban enclaves?

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2013-07-20 07:01:26

Public unions + free sh*t army + undisputed democrat control for 60 years = a bankrupt and destroyed city in which 2/3 of the population has left.

Soon to be repeated in Philly, Chicago, Camden, Cleveland, Newark, Buffalo, Syracuse, etc.

It would also be repeated in NYC if not for the trillions in obama bailouts to wall street (think NYC in the 1970s)

Comment by azdude
2013-07-20 07:22:20

that sums it up nicely. CA is headed in that direction.

 
Comment by Skroodle
2013-07-20 09:16:33

Damn, and I thought Rudy Guliani was a Republican. I could swore Bloomberg was a Republican as well.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 15:30:30

Stop throwing in those nonsensical Libtard factoids that call into question Smither’s God-given truths.

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Comment by I saw it coming
2013-07-20 09:29:51

obama bailouts to wall street

Come on, let’s be little honest here….Reagan and Bushes were also bailing out WallStreet.

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-20 10:19:50

Out: Blame Bush
In: Blame Reagan

What’s next, blame Coolidge?

Anything to deflect from the fact your god, Barrack has given trillions to eeeeeeevil Wall St while at the very same time talking like a man of the people. Either your’re too dumb to see it or you’re blind. Which is it?

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Comment by homie don't play houses
2013-07-20 10:36:47

I have no problems with your criticism of Obama. All I am saying is let’s be intellectually honest…Is it too much to ask?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2013-07-20 15:27:37

Slithers has neither intellect nor honesty, so yes , it is too much to ask from him.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 15:33:15

“All I am saying is let’s be intellectually honest…Is it too much to ask?”

Can the zebra change its spots? Yes it can!

 
 
 
 
Comment by rms
2013-07-20 07:13:42

Detroit has a huge inner city ghetto, and how this dependency issue that is unmanageable without adequate funding is resolved will set the cadence for the rest of the country.

Comment by 2banana
2013-07-20 07:36:54

hint:

it is not about “adequate funding”

there is NEVER enough funding for the free sh*t army and public unions

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-20 08:33:05

Abolish unions tomorrow and 90% of municipal/county fiscal problems disappear. Nobody wants to acknowledge this simple fact. It’s like a patient goes to the doctor says, doc, my stomach hurts when I drink milk. Instead of the doctor saying, well, stop drinking milk and your stomach will stop hurting, the doctor sends the patient to get 100 tests done and then the results come back saying, you’re allergic to milk. And still the doctor says, I’m stumped as to what your treatment should be.

When teachers make $80K a year, when cops make $200K a year and they can all retire at 53 and collect pensions for another 30 years, it all falls apart. You can borrow for a while to sustain it, but sooner or later it falls apart. For Detroit, later is now. For Chicago, Philadelphia, Milawukee and the rest, later is just around the corner.

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Comment by spook
2013-07-20 08:45:45

How can you cut government spending when its become such a large part of the economy?

Do you realize how much private sector business is connected to government spending/employee consumption?

Do you know what that would look like?

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-20 08:51:07

Well using your logic, we should double, nay, quadruple govt spending. In fact let’s just let the govt run everything. Think how many jobs would be crated.

Seriously dude, your argument is ridiculous. Govt is bloated and inefficient. Just because some lackeys benefit from it is no reason to keep it going. In the aggregate more people are hurt by govt spending than the few lucky cronies/union members that benefit.

 
Comment by tresho
2013-07-20 09:06:20

Do you realize how much private sector business is connected to government spending/employee consumption?

Do you know what that would look like?

I do believe that simply cutting back federal, state & local expenditures to the level of, say, 2001 will cause an immediate economic collapse. Jobs will not be created, but cratered.
This is the elephant in the room no one wants to talk about.
What we need to do is manage contraction. That is just what we won’t talk about.

 
Comment by Strawberry picker
2013-07-20 09:53:39

And let’s not forget supply and demand y’all. Where I’m from there are lines around the block and back again whenever cop and firefighter jobs are up for grabs. I think there is an abundant oversupply of people who want to do both of those at a reasonable wage. But there has been this crazy race to the bottom because one dept is offering higher benefits all then say they have to do it to maintain their recruiting pool. It’s just hogwash.

See how many people apply for the few firefighter jobs in LA or Orange County when the listings post.

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-20 10:16:40

“I do believe that simply cutting back federal, state & local expenditures to the level of, say, 2001 will cause an immediate economic collapse.”

Yes because in 2001 unemployment was 56%.

Oh wait….

 
Comment by spook
2013-07-20 11:34:13

Thanks Tresho for making the point better than I.

Even though I am probably better positioned to handle an economic collapse than most, I still don’t want one. A “controlled descent” would be much better.

Do pro collapse rich people realize that EVERYTHING gets worse for EVERYBODY in a collapse?

So what if you have a car and 1000 gallons of fuel at your “compound”; how many fake checkpoints on the roads can you dodge before you finally get fooled by one?

Who knows, your own rich friends may sell you out for 30 pieces of silver?

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 15:19:52

“Do pro collapse rich people realize that EVERYTHING gets worse for EVERYBODY in a collapse?”

I would guess outright collapse could work out very well for residents of Upper Richistan with free cash to snatch up devalued investments at fire sale prices.

Of course, this depends in part on their ability to isolate themselves from the rest of society, perhaps in gated communities or better yet behind ten foot walls to keep everyone else away.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-07-20 16:28:14

How can you cut government spending when its become such a large part of the economy?

Do you realize how much private sector business is connected to government spending/employee consumption?

Do you know what that would look like?

Once government spending is “such a large part of the economy” you’re already doomed. The only question is which form your doom will take and how long you can hold it off.

Yes, it will look ugly no matter what form it takes.

 
 
Comment by rms
2013-07-20 11:31:50

hint, it is not about “adequate funding”

FWIW, there’s more to funding the poor than pop-tarts, root beer and section 8 vouchers. The police respond to calls within these areas nightly, usually no less than four officers and two patrol cars; very expensive when all of the accounting is done. Someone has to pay for these “essential services.”

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Comment by 2banana
2013-07-20 12:19:14

Even more expensive when they are pulling in $200,000/year, spike their already insane pensions with OT, retire at 53 with free medical for life and also claim a disability.

usually no less than four officers and two patrol cars; very expensive when all of the accounting is done. Someone has to pay for these “essential services.”

 
 
 
 
Comment by sippin on some sizzurp
2013-07-20 08:38:24

“Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) said he will use every resource he has at his disposal to stop President Barack Obama from bailing out newly-bankrupt Detroit because he believes the city can and must save itself and learn from its fiscal mistakes. “I basically say he [Obama] is bailing them out over my dead body because we don’t have any money in Washington.”

“There’s some good things that come out of bankruptcy,” Paul said in a phone interview from Iowa. “One is you get to start over. Bankruptcy lets you be forgiven of your debt. And you do so by getting new management, better management, and by getting rid of unwieldy contracts, contracts that give you where public employees are getting paid twice what private employees are and things come back more to normal. That’s the way cities and businesses can recover.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/19/Exclusive-Rand-Paul-Obama-bails-out-Detroit-over-my-dead-body

Comment by tresho
2013-07-20 09:09:42

Bulletin for Rand Paul: Things will never get back to “normal.” Cities and businesses will not “recover.” Best we can hope for is to hold on. Naturally some of the “best and the brightest” will make out like the bandits they are and have always been.

 
 
Comment by sippin on some sizzurp
2013-07-20 09:26:15

“Since Detroit can’t maintain the accouterments of a modern American city with its current tax base, the most practical solution to its problems is regional consolidation. Detroit should merge with its suburbs, as Miami, Indianapolis and Toronto did. A megacity composed of Wayne, Oakland and Macomb counties would contain 3.9 million people, making it the second-largest city in the United States. Detroit could consolidate its police and fire services — which consume nearly 60 percent of its general fund budget — with surrounding departments.

So far, that has been politically impossible, because of black-white resentment and urban-suburban enmity dating back to the 1967 riot, and encouraged by such race-baiting politicians as Detroit Mayors Coleman Young and Kwame Kilpatrick, and Oakland County Executive L. Brooks Patterson. Detroiters didn’t want to share power with the suburbs, and suburbanites didn’t want to share tax revenue with Detroit. Now that Detroit has become a ward of the state, with Mayor Dave Bing’s powers usurped by the emergency manager, the city’s objection is moot. Suburbanites would still resist, but they’d benefit from the efficiency of a single local government, and from a stronger central city, which would make the entire area more attractive to out-of-state business. As for complaints that the suburbs would be forced to subsidize the city’s underfunded-by-$3.5-billion public pension system, well, hundreds of thousands of suburbanites grew up in Detroit, where they were educated by schoolteachers and kept safe by cops and firefighters who are now in danger of having their retirement benefits cut. Moving across 8 Mile Road should not relieve them of all responsibilities to the city they fled.

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/12/white_people_killed_detroit/

Comment by 2banana
2013-07-20 11:58:52

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Socialism (and democrats) destroyed Detroit.

Now the Marxists want to spread the misery to the people that escaped or who NEVER lived in the city.

Because socialism will work if (and only if) everyone is FORCED to participate.

How about you progressive/democrays FIX the problem you created instead of creating MORE misery?

What? And “turn” on their largest political contributors? Public unions. And the Free Sh*t Army.

And give up power????

NEVER is going to happen.

So go ahead and live in your misery.

We will take school kids there on field trips to show them what happens to city/state when you mix the following:

Public unions + Free Sh*t Army + democrats in power

As for complaints that the suburbs would be forced to subsidize the city’s underfunded-by-$3.5-billion public pension system, well, hundreds of thousands of suburbanites grew up in Detroit, where they were educated by schoolteachers and kept safe by cops and firefighters who are now in danger of having their retirement benefits cut. Moving across 8 Mile Road should not relieve them of all responsibilities to the city they fled.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 17:15:46

“So far, that has been politically impossible, because of black-white resentment and urban-suburban enmity dating back to the 1967 riot, and encouraged by such race-baiting politicians as Detroit Mayors Coleman Young and Kwame Kilpatrick, and Oakland County Executive L. Brooks Patterson.”

So it’s mainly racist black politicians who are holding back Detroit, then?

Comment by Carl Morris
2013-07-20 18:04:48

I thought it was interesting in the article when one guy was thinking about selling and buying a farm outside of town. And then said actually right where he was would already work for farming if they could control the crime.

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Comment by sippin on some sizzurp
2013-07-20 10:03:55

UK Guardian - Bankrupt Detroit pins its hopes on becoming arts and technology hub:

“Creativity may be the key to the city’s revival. Cheap industrial and residential spaces and a plentiful supply of raw materials make Detroit a potential alternative to art market centres such as New York and Los Angeles. Detroit native Jack White recently paid back taxes on the historic Masonic Temple, a famous performance space for rock bands.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/20/bankrupt-detroit-pins-hopes-creative-hub

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 13:05:47

6:20 pm Jul 18, 2013
Bankruptcy
Detroit’s Bankruptcy: 40% of Street Lights Don’t Work, 66% of Ambulances Out of Service
By Mike Cherney

Detroit’s bankruptcy petition paints a bleak picture for the Motor City: more than 100,000 creditors, more than $18 billion in accrued obligations and a homicide rate that is at its highest level in nearly 40 years.

Detroit filed for bankruptcy protection Thursday afternoon, becoming the largest ever municipal bankruptcy case. It becomes the latest in a small but high-profile list of municipalities to file after the recession. The cities of Stockton and San Bernardino in California filed last summer and Jefferson County, Ala., did so in November 2011.

The city was steered into bankruptcy by an emergency manager, Kevyn Orr, who did not secure agreements with enough bondholders, pension funds and other creditors to restructure the city’s debt out of court. The Wall Street Journal previously reported that creditors such as Bank of America Corp. BAC -0.07% and UBS AG were in discussions with the city.

The decision to declare bankruptcy “comes in the wake of 60 years of decline for the city, a period in which reality was often ignored,” Gov. Rick Snyder wrote in a memo authorizing the case, which was filed with the bankruptcy petition.

“I know many will see this as a low point in the city’s history,” Mr. Snyder continued. “If so, I think it will also be the foundation of the city’s future—a statement I cannot make in confidence absent giving the city a chance for a fresh start, without burdens of debt it cannot hope to fully pay.”

Mr. Snyder said the city cannot meet obligations to its citizens or its creditors. He noted that citizens wait an average of 58 minutes for the police to respond to their calls, compared to a national average of 11 minutes. Only 8.7% of cases are solved, compared to a statewide average of 30.5%.

About 40% of the city’s street lights were not functioning in the first quarter of the year, and only a third of its ambulances were in service. Its population has declined 63% from its peak and there are about 78,000 abandoned structures.

As a result, Mr. Snyder said, even if the city could raise taxes to pay its obligations, its citizens would not be able to afford it. In any event, Detroit tax rates are at their current legal limits.

“The citizens of Detroit need and deserve a clear road out of the cycle of ever-decreasing services,” wrote Mr. Snyder. “The city’s creditors, as well as its many dedicated public servants, deserve to know what promises the city can and will keep. The only way to do those things is to radically restructure the city and allow it to reinvent itself without the burden of impossible obligations.”

 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-07-20 06:04:04

If you take on mortgage debt at current massively inflated housing prices, you’ll enslave yourself for the rest of your life.

“Debt is bondage.”~ Suze Orman, May 11, 2013

Don’t Be A Debt Donkey®

Comment by azdude
2013-07-20 06:13:30

doesnt your girl suze say certain debt is good debt?

There is no way in hell that most folks in CA can buy a house without becoming a debt serf. You either get on board and pay to play or sit on the sidelines and cry.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-07-20 06:37:04

“Why buy a house at these massively inflated asking prices? Rent for half the monthly cost of buying. Then buy later, after prices crater for 70% less.”

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-07-20 06:50:13

Or sit far back in the bleachers with popcorn.

 
 
 
Comment by Overtaxed
2013-07-20 06:24:51

There was a conversation yesterday about “legality” of defaulting on a MTG, RE a threat from some talking head that “we’re gonna lock up defaulters”.

This is as cut and dry as they come. A MTG is a contract between lender (Megabank, Inc) and a borrower (Sally SuckerHomowner). If Sally defaults; Megabank can sue for their losses. However, there’s absolutely no legal standing for the state/feds to intervene and charge you with a crime. Breaking a financial contract is not a crime. The only possible crime is fraud; if you lied on applications/etc, that could potentially result in a criminal legal action; but, even then, it’s very unlikely.

So, Mr. Blowhard can tell strategic defaulters he’s coming for them until he’s blue in the face; he’s got no legal standing and the case would be dismissed before a trial began.

I’ve never defaulted on a loan, but, had I bought during the peak down here in FL, I most certainly would have. Rough math, you have a 500K loan on a 200K house (my previous rental, for example), you can “sell” your credit score for about 300K. For most people, that’s a sacrifice worth making. 300K of debt (with no asset to show for it) is a hole that very few people can crawl out from under; that’s exactly why we have BK laws in this country. And no debtors prisons.

When a bank gives you a MTG on a house they are also (something that they didn’t realize until the bust) giving you a put option on the house. You can exercise that put at any time to force the bank to buy your house at whatever the outstanding MTG balance happens to be. And, if you’re grossly underwater, you’d be a fool not to use the put; that’s why rich people don’t pay cash for things they can easily afford, and, if you want to be rich, you need to understand how they play the game.

Another decent example of this is “why do wealthy people lease cars”? A lot of people think it’s because they can’t afford the car, or because they are financial morons and don’t understand how to trade a purchased car in and buy a new one.

That’s not it at all. Rich people lease cars to limit their downside exposure in 2 important ways. The first is theft; if you drive you new 120K car off the lot tomorrow and it’s stolen; if you leased, you just go back and get another one. If it’s purchased, you’re likely out big bucks. Leases imply gap insurance; let the bank eat the depreciation hit if the car is stolen. The other reason the rich lease is to have that put option at the end of the lease. Yeah, this is a cool car today, but what happens if it’s out of style 3 years from now. Or, god forbid, the company has gone out of business?! Those who leased their Maybach’s 3 years ago must have been beyond happy to turn their cars in! This option, much like a mortgage, is almost “free”, there’s very little price paid for it, and in some situations, it can be a HUGE deal.

A mortgage is very similar, should something go horribly wrong, you always have that put. Yes, you’re going to lose money. But a whole lot less than the guy who paid cash for his house. Minimizing losses is as important as maximizing gains.

Comment by Skroodle
2013-07-20 09:46:28

Leases imply gap insurance? Really?

 
Comment by brother_jimmy
2013-07-20 19:20:55

That’s correct, the problem is that defaulting on a mortgage used to have true consequences - such a social embarrassment and lack of options to get credit. But due to government interference in the market, there’s really no downside to default if you live in a non-recourse state. And again, risk is mispriced in the current mortgage market, and as Alan Greenspan said to the effect that “history hasn’t dealt kindly to periods of low risk premiums”.

Of course, it seems easy that the FHFA would be able to determine who lied on federally guaranteed mortgages, specifically the owner-occupant type losses that were flips, investments, rentals, etc.

 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-07-20 06:26:55

Housing is always a loss. Houses depreciate and the losses to depreciation are magnified by the fact that they cannot be written off as a loss on your tax return.

Comment by Skroodle
2013-07-20 09:48:32

I don’t think you understand what depreciation is.

Comment by Blue Skye
2013-07-20 10:24:42

I think you are depreciating his message.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-07-20 11:04:41

Houses depreciate…… ALWAYS

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Comment by Skroodle
2013-07-20 11:51:02

Apples’s headquarters depreciated to zero.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-07-20 13:23:17

Your posts depreciate before they’re written.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-07-20 06:28:52

“A ‘recovery in housing’ is falling housing prices to dramatically lower and more affordable levels.”

Correct. Housing is going to be doing a whole lot of recovering in the coming months and years.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-07-20 06:30:19

“Housing’s Dead Cat Bounce”

Now that it’s self-evident that housing is in dead cat bounce mode, you can now observe the losses of those who were foolish enough to believe the tripe and paid a grossly inflated price for a house even though a house is always a depreciating asset.

Comment by azdude
2013-07-20 06:43:29

people are chasing free equity dude. once they run out of buyers it will crash like last time. as we go deeper into it you can see they are trying to recruit more buyers by lax lending standards. Its a house of cards based on asset bubbles.

 
Comment by mikeinbend
2013-07-20 10:53:13

Bought an overpriced shack in 2009; sold it at an even more inflated price in 2012. Thanks dead cat bounce!
It depreciated at such an astounding rate that I sold it for a little more than I paid for it in 2013.
But the claimed depreciation on this property allowed me to make less paper profits from the rental income; so depreciation worked in my favor.

So yes property depreciates. Still made money selling it; more so by claiming the depreciation allowed by the IRS. It helped to offset the rental income received, allowing me to turn a real profit into a paper loss.

So it depreciated in my favor. I am sure you disagree but I still came out of the deal having more $$ than I did going in so I am ok with whatever malarkey you my opine. Amused by it, even.

The kind of depreciation my shack suffered I can live with(minimal expenses maintaining the new house); leaving the expensive repairs for the new owner down the road. BTW I have no debt so don’t even try calling me a debt donkey; as Inch by Inch owes nothing on her shack she can’t really be a debt donkey either. NO DEBT=not a debt donkey. Think of a fresh insult and maybe try using current articles to link to rather than the same old articles and stuff cuz info gets outdated. Have a pleasant day; I will.
Hope you get your LOLZ today; may lower your BP.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-07-20 11:03:19

You didn’t do $hit except for lose money and lie about it.

Comment by mikeinbend
2013-07-20 14:30:59

quote me a lie I have told and I will own up to it. But I don’t really care about you as you call everyone (but yourself) a liar.
I know of no lies myself but then again maybe I have deluded myself.

I put 60k into housing in 1995; last time real estate was remotely affordable in Santa Barbara. Got a lot out of that home including rents that exceeded mortgage while renting to profs and students and living in the granny flat. Kept the whole compound rented for a few years upon moving to Bend.
mortgage was $1500 while compound was rented for $3000. Tough losses there; ha!

Put 60k into housing in 1995. Took 115k when cashing out in 2013.
Lost how? Cuz I spent the rents that came in? Cuz we put money into some losers? Told you all that already. On the balance came out ahead in my opinion as now I own a store and did not go into debt to do it. Sure did not make that seed money substitute teaching!

Lost 80k plus on “dream home” but I was nothing but up front about that and wife’s foreclosure. I made 500k in one day in so cal by cashing out in 2005(minus cap gains taxes which were quite a bit). More equity made than lost all told by my accounting.

Seeing how we were stay at home parents not working much for a decade; living on equity gains, you are not making sense to me. Not saying I managed $$ well at all… but I would be under a bridge had housing bubble not helped me financially.
Care to explain what you mean? I know I know….NOT

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-07-20 15:03:39

Good riddance junkie.

 
Comment by mikeinbend
2013-07-20 16:23:16

not a debt junkie
Good riddance to you to!
Who’s leaving? Joshua treeing me?

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-07-20 20:07:32

Sink Junkie.

 
 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-07-20 12:44:07

“turn a real profit…”

I wonder about that. You spend $100K and get back $5K. Is that a real profit?

Comment by mikeinbend
2013-07-20 14:48:22

I spent 60k to live more cheaply(compared to renting) in a place that cash flowed from day one. Got 500k back. That is real profit as I understand it. Pure speculative profit realized when we sold out of California; My share of the mortgage never amounted to more than $500 and that was for a year before I raised the rent. From then on it was the 3/2 that paid the mortgage while I lived rent free upstairs in the granny flat.
Then 18 years later I pulled out 115k out of another investment that I put 115k into. Three years of rent from that house was a bit of real profit as well.

Is that like spending 100k to pull out 5k?

Yes we lost money on the foreclosure and another home in Utah. But the gains made on the initial home in So Cal outnumbered those losses.
Proof? NO workie long time; not brokie!

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Comment by Blue Skye
2013-07-20 15:19:36

Kudos for living job free, but that is besides the point. Sounds like you are saying that you bought a place for $60K 20 years ago so you could live in a granny flat for $500 a month. Maybe not a bad deal in Crazyfornia 20 years ago, but doesn’t sound that great.

No question that large sums were made and lost in the housing mania, doesn’t mean it is a sane gamble in normal times or especially on the downside of a credit expansion.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-07-20 15:39:34

By the way, how is the store doing?

 
Comment by mikeinbend
2013-07-20 16:19:31

Blue Skye-So far so good. Feels good to feed people and I find working with vegetables oddly rewarding.

Lots of work to be sure; but at least I know the business of produce. Not so much being in a bona-fide biz for myself and its associated headaches (liquor license, operating licenses, LLC stuff, keeping good books, paying estimated taxes etc etc) So that part is “fake it till you make it” and make sure I don’t get in trouble for forgetting to do something important (like buy insurance; no loan means no one prods you to buy protections like that).

That said we have good customers with money as lots of big acreage horse ranches are around. And all our friends live in the immediate rural area and they patronize us.
And I know all the teachers at the school across the street and they will be back in force come Sept. Plus a new private school opening its doors this fall with its temp office right across the street.

Right now we are riding the summer wave of abundant food. and tourist traffic as it is on the route to a local golf resort.

Regarding the housing bit, you are very much right; I am not saying what I did was sound investing; just lucky enough to escape with some money to do something else with.

I only had to pay that $500 in rent for a year(half what I was paying at the time for a room, much less a flat. The guy I booted from the apt. had been paying $700 at the time. It was up to $1100 by the time we went to Bend. Rents have been crazy near UCSB for ever; plus I was smart enough to take in a roomie who paid $300 (who also introduced me to my wife-can’t put a price tag on that. Either ya want to kill the guy or kiss him depending on how you get along with said wife).

By the next year rent was negative even after ridding myself of the same-sex roomie as I raised the rent downstairs. So happy we sold as the new owners put 300k in renovating(driveway, new sewer lines, fencing all around, roof, landscaping, foundation work, bathrooms, etc) before selling it at the same price they paid for it. This was a un-insulated 50s vintage beach house so the deferred maintenance was monumental. a poorly installed shower pan leaked under the master and created a mold problem and they were finding tree roots in the attic

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-07-20 17:22:37

“tree roots in the attic”

Never heard of that magnitude of deferred maintenance before!

 
Comment by mikeinbend
2013-07-20 18:26:01

The shower pan had been installed by the previous owners. they paneled over the far wall of the master to hide the wicking but the age old trees really loved that water source, so roots were coming up thru the toilet and were indeed found up in the attic. The toxic mold was largely mitigated by a handyman thankfully as it cost us 10k to mitigate a small patch found by inspectors. This was after the handyman had stripped most studs of mold on approx. half of the walls in the home. I’ll bet the old owners with their paneling patches were gleeful to put that one over on us; inspector with his drill didn’t catch it.
It would have certainly killed the deal. But we were lucky enough to laugh all the way to the bank so we don’t harbor too much ill will towards the old owners.

They got er done but they sold at the bottom. My criteria for buying was so restrictive that I needed to find a two-fer; being able to collect rent and also live there meant I needed two units for the price of one house. And wanted the second unit to be permittable for resale purposes. There were about two houses that fit our criteria in the entire county.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by non-conformist
2013-07-20 06:40:11

Florida Nurse Terrorized by US Marshals in Warrantless Raid

Julie Wilson
Infowars.com
July 19, 2013

It was a typical evening after work when Sarasota, Fl., resident Louise Goldsberry finished dinner and began to clean up.

The nurse, employed by the Sarasota Doctors Hospital, proceeded towards the kitchen sink to clean the dishes when she gazed out her window. Her gaze met the eyes of a man wearing a hunting vest who was aiming a gun directly at her face.

Goldsberry, understandably frightened, dropped to the floor and began screaming. Although in a panic, she managed to crawl her way into the bedroom to retrieve her weapon, a .38-caliber revolver she had purchased to provide comfort while living alone.

She maintained a concealed weapons permit for the firearm.

Craig Dorris, her boyfriend who worked as a manager for a security alarm company, heard her screams and tried to make sense of his girlfriend’s reaction when suddenly they both heard a man screaming to open the front door.

The man, shouting obscenities, claimed to be a police officer and ordered them to open the front door.

Goldsberry wasn’t convinced. The man she saw through the window looked more like an “armed thug” than a police officer.

Luckily the boyfriend Dorris, was able to remain calm and request ID from the man, but the yelling continued and the man shouted, “We’re the f—- police; open the f—- door!”

Frightened, Dorris moved away from the door half expecting bullets to riddle through it.

Goldsberry, who had never been arrested before, wondered if they could really be police and if they would speak this way. She had no idea as to why the police would be trying to force their way into her apartment with their weapons drawn.

As the couple stayed huddled in the hallway, Goldsberry still clutching her weapon, watched in horror as the unidentified man pushed open the front door, which they swore had been locked.

A man crept around the corner aiming his weapon at them both and shouted, “Drop the f—- gun or I’ll f—- shoot you,” he ordered.

Goldsberry’s screams heightened, but Dorris studied the man who was now standing inside the apartment. He observed him holding a tactical shield for protection and decided he appeared to be well equipped enough to be police.

Dorris realizing that any minute the standoff could result in the death of both of them, began reasoning with the man, surrendering, raising his hands above his head and asking the man to step outside to talk.

After given permission, he moved towards the front door peacefully but was immediately grabbed and placed in handcuffs.

After being arrested outside, Dorris saw numerous men wearing vests with the words federal marshal strewn across them. Dozens of Sarasota Police officers flooded the scene, as well as some others that he couldn’t identify, which he found unusual since he often worked with police at his security company.

Dorris described it as a scene from the movie Rambo.

Dorris then yelled inside to his girlfriend that it was OK to drop the gun and come out. Paralyzed with fear, Goldsberry froze and shouted, “I’m an American citizen, you have no right to do this.”

The standoff continued for several more minutes before finally releasing her weapon onto the floor.

She was rushed by officers and quickly handcuffed.

The couple remained cuffed outside for the next thirty minutes while police searched their home without a warrant for a man they had never heard of and certainly never seen.

Finally they were released and the police left.

According to police, the man at the door was Matt Wiggins of the U.S. Marshal’s fugitive division.

When the Herald Tribune, Sarasota’s local newspaper, questioned the marshal he claimed they were searching for child-rape suspect.

Wiggins claimed they had a tip that the suspect, Kyle Riley, was inside the apartment complex, but admitted they had no specific information that indicated he was inside Goldsberry’s apartment.

Wiggins said when the people inside the apartment didn’t immediately open up, that gave them reason to believe they were harboring the alleged child rapist.

The U.S. marshal even had the audacity to say, “Nobody in the other units reacted that way.”

Tom Lyons, a reporter for the Herald Tribune countered, “Maybe none of them had a gun pointed at them through the window.”

Of course Wiggins didn’t seem to think that fact condoned the horrified woman’s behavior. He said he acted with restraint and didn’t like having a gun aimed at him.

“I went above and beyond. I have to go home at night,” said Wiggins.

Lyons argued, “She had a gun pointed at her, too, and she wasn’t wearing body armor and behind a shield.”

“She had no reason to expect police or think police would ever aim into her kitchen and cuss at her through her door to get in. It seemed crazy and she was panicked.”

Wiggins responded with, “We were clearly the police, she can’t say she didn’t know.”

“She does say so, actually,” said Lyons.

In an interview with Lyons the following day, Goldsberry explained, “I couldn’t see them. They had a big light in my eyes.”

The man she saw aiming a gun at her through the window had nothing visible that said “cop.”

“I was thinking, is this some kind of nutjob?” she said.

Turns out it was just a U.S. Federal marshal exercising what he thinks is his right under his authoritative title, and of course was “just doing his job.”

Eventually Wiggins admitted, “I feel bad for her. But at the same time, I had to reasonably believe the bad guy was in her house based on what they were doing.”

Despite the fact that she was pointing a gun at police, and Goldsberry wasn’t shot, Wiggins says, “She sure shouldn’t be going to the press.”

The suspect, Kyle Riley, was arrested several hours later in another part of Sarasota

http://www.infowars.com/florida-nurse-terrorized-by-us-marshals/ - 71k -

Comment by Skroodle
2013-07-20 09:21:18

I have been thinking of buying a steel front/rear door for a while now. Seems like that would keep most criminals and police out.

Comment by tresho
2013-07-20 09:26:38

Seems like that would keep most criminals and police out.
Surely you jest!
Best protection is to be someplace where the crooks & police don’t know you are at. If a door is armored, they will simply punch a hole through your roof, walls or windows.

Comment by Skroodle
2013-07-20 09:53:49

You must have better police in your town. My town’s force is fairly lazy, I can’t really see them climbing a ladder to come in a window.

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Comment by spook
2013-07-20 14:37:04

Solid oak doors that OPEN OUTWARD are hilarious to watch police try to break through.

 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2013-07-20 07:03:40

How about “National Bring Your Children Up Properly” day?

obama - the great unifier.

I beginning to think he is pushing hard for race riots.

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Rallies planned in 100 cities to urge ‘justice’ for Trayvon Martin
CNN | July 20, 2013 | David Simpson, for CNN

Faye Kennedy is organizing a rally Saturday in Sacramento, California, despite a forecast of more than 100 degrees. She is urging people to bring water.

But she is determined that it will draw a good crowd as one of more than 100 cities nationwide marking “National Justice for Trayvon Day.”

The Rev. Al Sharpton’s National Action Network said the goal of the rallies is to urge the Justice Department to consider a federal civil rights prosecution in the death of Trayvon Martin.

Comment by Strawberry picker
2013-07-20 07:56:00

He’s so ineffective he can’t even get this done. Now if the big banks wanted race riots …

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 15:14:15

“…race riots…”

On the bright side, riots might help pop the echo bubble.

 
 
Comment by spook
2013-07-20 12:08:29

How about we teach black teens how to build bombs in pressure cookers and set them off at marathons?

That way they could end up on the cover of Rolling Stone as teen heart throbs.

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/19/how_america_profiled_trayvon_martin_and_dzhokhar_tsarnaev/

Comment by 2banana
2013-07-20 12:22:24

If a muslim killed a black in self-defense would he/she be a:

white-muslim?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 13:58:07

Duhknow, but it’s certain the black guy would be a Civil Rights poster child.

“… if they fear serious bodily harm.” Unpolitically-correct translation: “…if they are in the process of getting their nose broken and their head pounded against the pavement.” Every news story seems to mention “unarmed” while almost none mention “aggravated assault.”

But perhaps Zimmerman’s side of the confrontation didn’t matter, as he is a white Hispanic white homeowner, and hence not entitled to his “civil rights.”

‘Justice for Trayvon’ rallies draw thousands across USA
(Photo: FREDERIC J. BROWN AFP/Getty Images)

Thousands gathered Saturday at rallies in more than 100 cities nationwide to remember Trayvon Martin, to press for federal civil rights charges against the man who shot him, and to attack stand-your-ground self-defense laws.

George Zimmerman’s acquittal a week ago on all charges in the shooting death of the unarmed black teen touched off protests across the nation. The Justice Department is investigating whether Zimmerman violated Martin’s civil rights when he shot the 17-year-old during a February 2012 confrontation in Sanford, Fla.

In New York, the Rev. Al Sharpton took aim at stand-your-ground laws in more than a dozen states that generally give people wide latitude to use deadly force if they fear serious bodily harm. “We are trying to change laws so that this never, ever happens again,” Sharpton, who organized the rallies through his National Action Network, told the crowd in New York.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 15:23:04

“In New York, the Rev. Al Sharpton took aim at stand-your-ground laws in more than a dozen states that generally give people wide latitude to use deadly force if they fear serious bodily harm.”

Wouldn’t knowing they were at no risk of having deadly force used against them encourage criminals to inflict serious bodily harm on intended victims?

 
 
 
Comment by ahansen
2013-07-20 14:26:18

In answer to your question from yesterday, Mr. Zimmerman has stated that he “shimmied” underneath Martin to move from the sidewalk onto the wet grass. If someone was sitting on top of me and holding me down, I’d dig my heels into the sod and try to push myself backwards out from underneath them, and/or twist away.

Given that wet grass is notoriously slick, it’s entirely possible that on this basis alone the altercation could have ended up significantly distant from where they first confronted each other.

Comment by spook
2013-07-20 14:49:20

Are you talking about this picture ahansen?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/23/1094287/-The-brightly-shining-key-chain-to-the-killing-of-Trayvon-Martin#

Thats a long way to “shimmy” for a fat man; and in the opposite direction of his truck.

GZ was coon huntin without a license, he went down that path in hot pursuit; but was smart enough to deny it.

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Comment by tj
2013-07-20 17:45:10

GZ was coon huntin without a license, he went down that path in hot pursuit; but was smart enough to deny it.

yeah, right. GZ had a black girlfriend, tutored black kids and defended a homeless black man against what he thought was police abuse. he was a liberal and more than likely voted for obama. it’s known his parents did. yes, a real racist.

 
Comment by ahansen
2013-07-20 19:37:40

Thanks for the link. Will peruse and consider.

 
Comment by spook
2013-07-21 06:29:29

TJ, calm down. Im not saying Zimmerman is a racist, Im just trying to point out that you need a license to hunt down criminals and Zimmerman did not obtain one.

Law enforcement has long had this “license” to LEGALLY shoot and kill unarmed black males by claiming “I feared for my life.”

The “Castle Doctrine” made “coon hunting” without a license legal on private property.

“Stand Your Ground” is an attempt to expand this privilege from law enforcement to the adult law abiding population in the PUBLIC area.

Trust me, I know we got a “coon problem”; I just got robbed last August 14th!!!

Zimmerman was TRYING to solve the problem. Did he do the correct thing?

Not this time; but that is the nature of men. We try to solve problems even though we sometimes make mistakes, and/or make things worse; I know because I am one of them.

We are still learning.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2013-07-20 13:22:03

I still have yet to hear anyone on NPR mention that Zimmerman was in the process of getting assaulted when he got out his gun.

I guess this detail is irrelevant to the discussion of Mr. Martin’s close resemblance to 1960s-era civil rights martyr Medgar Evers?

Comment by ahansen
2013-07-20 19:39:28

Comparing Travon Martin to Medgar Evers is disgusting.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 15:50:30

Across the pond, The Economist writers are just as content as their U.S. counterparts to ignore that Zimmerman was in the process of getting physically assaulted at the point when he got out his gun.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 15:59:30

Since when does having your nose broken and your head pounded into the pavement not constitute a “grave threat of bodily harm”?

Why does the MSM steadfastly ignore relevant details presented at the trial as evidence on which the jury based its verdict? Is there some kind of media conspiracy underway to spark race riots based on incomplete information about what happened?

Race and crime
Trayvon’s legacy
When is it legal to shoot an unarmed black teenager?
Jul 20th 2013 | LOS ANGELES AND SANFORD, FLORIDA |From the print edition

“WHAT happened to Trayvon Martin,” thundered a speaker at the annual convention of the National Association for the Advancement of Coloured People (NAACP) in Orlando this week, to rousing chords from an electronic organ, “was nothing more than a modern-day lynching”. The six jurors who decided the fate of Mr Martin’s killer, George Zimmerman, disagreed. On July 13th they found him not guilty of murder or manslaughter. Mr Zimmerman, who is Hispanic, chose to stalk Mr Martin, an unarmed black teenager, through the subdivision where they both were staying. In the altercation that ensued, he shot him dead. But the jurors—none of whom was black—accepted his claim that he was acting in self-defence. Mr Zimmerman is now free and can reclaim his gun.

African-Americans greeted the verdict with outrage. Spontaneous protests erupted within hours in several cities. The following day a series of co-ordinated rallies took place in many more. The participants complained of racism in many aspects of the tragedy, from Mr Zimmerman’s groundless assumption that Mr Martin was up to no good, to the local police’s initial refusal to arrest Mr Zimmerman, to the jurors’ belief that Mr Martin, who had just been to a shop to buy sweets, posed so grave a threat to Mr Zimmerman that he was justified in killing him.

Eric Holder, the attorney-general, also criticised the “stand your ground” laws adopted by roughly half the states including Florida, which absolve those who fear grave injury or death from any obligation to retreat before shooting someone in self-defence. Although Mr Zimmerman did not invoke certain rights under Florida’s law, the judge did explain its basic outline to the jury. The law does not allow the instigator of a violent confrontation to claim self-defence, but Mr Zimmerman maintained that it was Mr Martin who had attacked him, not the other way around, and there were no witnesses to contradict him.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 16:15:34

Perhaps the “innocent teenage shooting victim / civil rights violation” version of the story was expected to sell more newspapers and win more Democratic politician votes than “violent confrontation between black teenager and Hispanic adult leads to tragic shooting death” (BORING!)?

It seems George Zimmerman’s civil rights were the ones which were violated. Perhaps he can successfully sue some MSM writers whose misreporting of the facts has made him a marked man.

HARPER: Media misreporting rampant in Trayvon Martin case
By Christopher Harper
Wednesday, June 26, 2013
George Zimmerman smiles as attorney Mark O’Mara questions potential jurors for Zimmerman’s trial in Seminole circuit court in Sanford, Fla., on June 20, 2013. Zimmerman has been charged with second-degree murder for the 2012 shooting death of Trayvon Martin. (Associated Press/Orlando Sentinel)
ANALYSIS/OPINION:

A combination of pressure through social media and poor journalism led to the trial of George Zimmerman, who is accused of second-degree murder in last year’s shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

Immediately after the shooting in Sanford, Fla., which is 20 miles northeast of Orlando, the media described Mr. Zimmerman as white, setting up the racially divisive meme of a white man killing a black teenager — a characterization that proved to be wrong.

A columnist for The New York Times described “the burden of black boys in America and the people that love them: running the risk of being descended upon in the dark and caught in the cross-hairs of someone who crosses the line.”

The media then described Mr. Zimmerman as a “white Hispanic” after it was revealed that his father is white and his mother comes from Peru. Even now, many media outlets use this description: “Zimmerman, who identifies himself as Hispanic.”

Under the definition of the U.S. Census Bureau, Mr. Zimmerman qualifies as Hispanic. Why do the media continue to emphasize this inaccurate racial theme? It’s probably because they think such sensationalism provides more readers and viewers. Instead it brings the media’s credibility into question.

That’s not all. The press and supporters of Trayvon’s family maintained that Mr. Zimmerman had not been injured during the confrontation, placing in doubt his claim he was acting in self-defense because he said the youth had struck him and thrown him to the ground. Police photographs clearly showed Mr. Zimmerman had suffered injuries to his head, nose and eyes, which were consistent with a fight of some sort.

The inaccuracies and poor reporting continued. The media described Trayvon as a good student. Subsequent information, however, showed he often got into fights, used marijuana and was suspended from school before he was shot — material the judge has restricted the defense from using. Further evidence indicated the teen had marijuana in his system at the time he was shot. Moreover, Trayvon’s purchases of watermelon-flavored fruit juice — not iced tea as reportedly frequently — and Skittles may not have been so innocent. These are two of three ingredients of Purple Drank, a concoction that also includes cough syrup he used to get high, according to his text messages.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-21 00:06:19

There have been quite a few Trayvon Martin commemorative rallies in SoCal. It was quite thoughtful of the Bash Mob to kick off their activities with a prayer vigil for Trayvon.

‘Bash mobs’ sweep through Southern California

Long Beach police brace for a possible “bash mob.”
By Ari Bloomekatz
July 19, 2013, 11:59 a.m.

Organized “bash mob” crime rampages of roving groups attacking innocent people and businesses have been striking cities around the United States. Law enforcement agencies in Southern California have reported few similar problems — until now.

In the last several days, there have been several reports of such group crime waves in South L.A., Hollywood, San Bernardino and Victorville. Long Beach police are bracing for another one Friday.

These so-called bash mobs of “flash mob” crime waves are organized through social media and have been a problem in Chicago, Philadelphia and Washington. In April, 28 Chicago youths were arrested on suspicion of attacking pedestrians along the city’s famed Magnificent Mile. Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn signed legislation in May enacting stiffer penalties for people who text or use social media to organize mob attacks.

Long Beach police warned in a statement that participants could face severe penalties.

“The mere participation in such an event can result in felony charges including conspiracy, and are punishable by imprisonment in the state prison,” according to the statement.

Police said they feared bash mob organizers planned to hit Long Beach at 2 p.m.

Long Beach experienced such a gathering July 9, when more than 100 people descended on stretches of downtown in an organized, sudden crime rampage.

On Monday, a group of unruly young people broke off from hundreds gathered for a Trayvon Martin prayer vigil and rushed into a Wal-Mart on Crenshaw Boulevard, where they tossed merchandise and tried to break into a jewelry display case.

 
 
Comment by rms
2013-07-20 07:15:03

“Famed White House journalist Helen Thomas has died at the age of 92.”

Comment by Dirk Diggler
2013-07-20 14:07:31

A liberals liberal, who cares except the MSM.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 17:18:27

It’s so kind of you to denigrate her memory with your partisan political bias.

Comment by Dirk Diggler
2013-07-20 18:13:50

I have such fond memories of her “moderate” approach toward
republicans and conservatives. LOL.

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Comment by non-conformist
2013-07-20 08:19:08

I think it was in 1981, I had been asked to leave college for evidentally behavior unbecoming a real student and I was working moving furniture for a North American Van lines moving Co. in Cos Cob Connecticut.

It was a Monday morning and I was sent with a driver to New Jersey to pick up a grand piano and some other furniture to bring back to a home in Greenwich. A little after 8 AM we stopped in New Jersey to get coffee, we got back in the truck and were heading for the on ramp when the driver saw the flashing lights of a New Jersey state trooper’s car, laughed and said “I guess we’re going to be late”. Assuming we were being pulled over for a bad light or something I told the driver “I’m going to run back in and grab a soda”. When the truck stopped I opened the door and put my foot down on the first step when I noticed a state trooper with his gun pointed at what appeared to me was my head. He yelled don’t move, I don’t believe my eyes had ever been or have been since that wide open and I said… Hey man, I’m only making $7.50 an hour and I don’t want to die for that.

By that time there were several State Trooper cars there and they had us both get out of the truck with our hands up. They frisked us, took our IDs, and searched the truck. We stood there on the side of the ramp for over an hour while they searched, ran our IDs and called Callahan Bros. in Cos Cob to make sure we were who we said we were and were going where we said we were going.

At the end of it they told us what was going on. As luck would have it, some highly decorated long time veteran New Jersey State trooper had been killed the night before in a hit and the driver and myself matched the description of the 2 suspects to a T.

What are the odds? I was a young 6 ft. 4 in. 250 lb. white male with a mustache and the driver was a late 40s 5 ft. 10 in. 220 lb. white male with a salt and pepper beard and we were within a 30 mile radius of where this State Trooper had been executed hours earlier.

I had all but forgotten about this until about 5 weeks ago when I met an old retired New Jersey cop who is working as a security guard in Admirals Cove where we were doing a remodel. I told him this story and he said that he had gone to that guys funeral and that they had cought the guys who did it. They were both bikers and myself and the driver evidentally did fit there description at that time.

The reason I wrote this and it is not meant to be smart @ss. Were we racially profiled? Were we size profiled? Or did we just fit the description of a couple of hit men and were in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Comment by Overtaxed
2013-07-20 09:10:45

“Admirals Cove”

In Palm Beach Gardens? Are you a contractor in the area? If so, we might need to hook up sometime; I’ve had terrible luck trying to find people who can read and return e-mails or phone calls! ;)

 
Comment by Skroodle
2013-07-20 09:22:49

Hit and run is now an “execution”?

Comment by non-conformist
2013-07-20 10:03:36

“Hit and run is now an “execution”?”

Like I said, I had all but forgotten about this until about 5 weeks ago. I damn sure haven’t thought about it since I had a computer and could search anything and that has thrown some doubt in my mind about the Admirals Cove (yes in Palm Beach Gardens) security guards story about it having been 2 bikers they caught. Of course my 30 some years ago memory is off too, I guess this happened to me on a Tueday and not a Monday.

Trooper
Philip Joseph Lamonaco
New Jersey State Police, New Jersey

End of Watch: Monday, December 21, 1981

Bio & Incident Details
Age: 32

Tour: 11 years

Badge # 2663

Cause: Gunfire

Incident Date: 12/21/1981

Weapon: Handgun; 9 mm

Suspect: Two sentenced to death

http://www.odmp.org/officer/7835-trooper-philip-joseph-lamonaco - 32k -

New Jersey State Police, loved ones remember Trooper Philip Lamonaco 30 years after line-of-duty death

By Sarah M. Wojcik | The Express-Times The Express-Times
on December 22, 2011 at 5:00 AM

Most of the more than two dozen New Jersey State Police who gathered Wednesday just off Interstate 80 near the Route 94 interchange had never met Phil Lamonaco, but that doesn’t matter.

The 32-year-old who was killed in the line of duty Dec. 21, 1981, during a traffic stop in Knowlton Township is a hero for all who have and will wear the light blue uniform.

When Lamonaco stopped Williams and Manning three decades ago, the two men were already among the most wanted fugitives in America — sought for bombings and bank robberies committed to help fund the now-defunct United Freedom Front.

The men eluded authorities for three years after the killing in a manhunt officials have said was the largest of its kind in New Jersey since the kidnapping of famed aviator Charles Lindbergh’s son.

Manning is serving 80 years for Lamonaco’s murder. Williams, believed to be the triggerman in the murder, died Dec. 7, 2005, in a federal prison hospital in Butner, N.C.

The state trooper’s death left his wife a widow and their three children — Laura, Michael and Sarah — without a father.

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/warren-county/express-times/index.ssf/2011/12/state_police_family_friends_tu.html - 95k -

Comment by non-conformist
2013-07-20 10:35:30

SOB! That looks like Billy the driver did back then.

Thomas Manning | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers
http://murderpedia.org/male.M/m/manning-thomas.htm - 33k -

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Comment by tresho
2013-07-20 09:23:31

A physician I once knew was treated the way you were while he was on vacation in Yellowstone National Park with his family. He was staying in one of those tourist cabins near a hotel. Police raided the place at 0300 & hauled him out of there. Of course he had ID which, of course, the police refused to give any credence to. He gave the phone number of his hospital’s administrator as a reference. Of course the police called collect, and the administrator refused to take that call. Eventually things were straightened out, and the story became a joke the physician told on himself.
He did resemble a suspect wanted for a felony at the time.

Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine, CA
2013-07-20 15:07:55

When they “haul in” some innocent person like that, isn’t that “False arrest?” I would sue the snot out of them if so.

 
 
 
Comment by sippin on some sizzurp
2013-07-20 08:19:45

The future belongs to Lucky Ducky:

“His problems stem from the fact that companies typically divide their hiring into two pools: entry-level jobs, which are overwhelmingly filled by campus recruits, and experienced workers. Some allow recent graduates to stay in the first category for a year or two after getting their diploma. But recruiters say those applicants may find themselves at a disadvantage, especially if they have not been bolstering their résumés with classes, internships or volunteer work.

“If you’re a 2011 or a 2012 grad, the competition just got fierce — even more fierce — with the let-out of the 2013 class,” said Alexa Hamill, the United States campus recruiting leader for PricewaterhouseCoopers. “It’s like you’re in overtime, and they brought in the fresh team.”

The impact of this is difficult to measure because government statistics do not allow for a comparison of the fate of this year’s graduates with their immediate predecessors, instead lumping all college graduates under 25 into one group. And certainly college graduates as a whole are doing vastly better than those with only a high school degree (young college graduates have an unemployment rate of just over 8 percent, while the unemployment rate for high school graduates within the same age group is close to 20 percent).

But everything that is known about the job market points to the fact that Mr. Wells and his cohort are feeling the pinch. Many of the country’s largest companies make most of their entry level hires on campus, meaning there are no slots for the hapless person who had the misfortune of graduating in 2011. And historically, those who graduate during a recession earn far less than their peers who do not, and it can take a decade or more for them to catch up. Many have been forced to settle for lower-wage, lower-skill jobs, which has in turn helped increase joblessness among the high school graduates who previously held those jobs.

In 2000, about 60 percent of employed college graduates were working in jobs that required a degree, said Andrew Sum, director of the Center for Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University. Now fewer than half are.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/20/business/recent-graduates-lose-out-to-those-with-even-fresher-degrees.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-20 08:40:43

The yuuts voted for Obama 65-35. May they all suffer for decades to come for their actions. Eff ‘em all.

Comment by Skroodle
2013-07-20 09:24:13

Damn that Obama, screwing over college kids like that.

Now, Sarah Palin, that women had a plan!

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-20 10:10:46

Sarah Palin? Wow.

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Comment by Skroodle
2013-07-20 11:52:51

I thought you had a crush on her? Or was it Paul Ryan?

 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2013-07-20 15:42:58

The economy tanked on Bush’s watch, not Obama’s.

 
 
Comment by bluto
2013-07-20 10:52:54

A flip side of the current job market is that many jobs that did NOT (and should not) require a degree now do (i.e. electronics technician jobs that now require an B.S. engineering degree, etc.)….not good for non degreed job seekers and can’t imagine the overqualified who get these jobs will be happy with them in the long run either…but given the oversupply of graduates I guess it is inevitable, have read that the situation was similar during the Great Depression.

 
 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-20 08:47:02

Another sign that the economy is in a depression and soon everyone will be living under a bridge….

“ATHOL, Idaho — Silverwood Theme Park had a record year in 2012 and they are on track to do it again. Plenty of people have made the trip to the park this year and attendance is already up compared to this time last year. Almost 660,000 people total came through the park in 2012 which is a record. Right now they’re already up 17,000 people compared to last year.”

http://www.nwcn.com/news/washington?fId=216228731&fPath=/home&fDomain=10222

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-07-20 08:52:20

Easily amused in Idaho?

‘The new ‘Spin Cycle’ ride at Silverwood is a popular attraction. The ride takes thrill seekers 104 feet in the air and is the tallest of its kind in the US. The new ride came to Silverwood earlier this year and is helping the park have another record year.’

Wow, I think I’m gonna go out and buy a house…

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-20 08:59:46

Actually 70-80% of the people who go there are from Washington/Oregon judging from the license plates in the parking lot. I take my kids there for the water park a couple of times a year. It’s a fun place, just not on the weekends.

Of course you miss the point of it. Attendance is up about 10% at a place that charges $45 admission. This doesn’t happen when the economy is in a depression like what the HBB thinks is happening. But why let pesky facts get in the way of a good meme, eh?

Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-20 09:01:39

And yes it’s 10%. 660K was total attendance for all of 2012. It’s up 17K this year with about 30% of the season in.

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Comment by Dirk Diggler
2013-07-20 14:11:56

People are probably doing “staycations” and/or just have to get out of the house because Obama has driven their cost to drive
anywhere this summer to the moon.

 
 
Comment by I saw it coming
2013-07-20 09:06:09

Go back and take a look at economy and people’s spending habits in 2007/2008 before the collapse. That’s your sign.

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Comment by tresho
2013-07-20 09:29:45

Attendance is up about 10% at a place that charges $45 admission. This doesn’t happen when the economy is in a depression like what the HBB thinks is happening.
You’re a hopeless case.

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Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-20 10:15:25

You people live in an alternate reality where everyone is sick and poor and desperate and sad and has no hope. Reality for most people is life just goes on. People go to amusement parks, they go to baseball games, they go out to dinner, they enjoy life. And they do so while owning a home too. Crazy stuff.

 
Comment by I saw it coming
2013-07-20 13:43:15

People go to amusement parks, they go to baseball games, they go out to dinner, they enjoy life. And they do so while owning a home too. Crazy stuff.

Exactly! That happens in bad economy, too. You are disproving yourself.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 13:45:37

“And they do so while owning a home too.”

Especially if they fell for some Realtor™ scam artist’s sales pitch!

 
 
Comment by sippin on some sizzurp
2013-07-20 09:40:10

Smithers in a “fun place”, that doesn’t seem possible.

I thought Smithers’ best idea of having fun would be lecturing panhandlers that they should have majored in STEM and telling them their problems all all their fault for voting for Obama.

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Comment by tresho
2013-07-20 10:07:01

New BMW facility in Traverse City a flagship design

General Manager Glenn Cousineau said the new building opened its doors June 24, with a soft opening under way during much of July. Grand opening festivities are set for July 22. BMW North American president and CEO Ludwig Willish and DP Fox Ventures LLC president and CEO Dan DeVos will attend.

The new 18,000-square-foot building offers vehicles displayed on a 150-foot wide path of charcoal tile stretching the length of the showroom. Tall ceilings, tiled flooring, and a wall of windows are complemented by an open floor plan with streamlined designs, European furnishings and a palette of white, grey and black.

The facility is significant because it will serve as the flagship store design for all future BMW dealerships in the United States.

Construction began in November 2012 and was completed last month. Total cost was $4 million, including a complete demolition of the original buildings on-site, as well as a major clean-up once excavation started.

“When they were razed, we found that the three existing buildings were sitting on top of a dump,” Cousineau said. “We were faced with a choice: do we build on top or remove and replace.”

“We felt there was only one right way and that was to remove and replace,” he said.

Excavators needed to go nine feet below the original grade before getting to uncompromised soil.

The new facility significantly increases BMW’s local footprint. The showroom can display up to 10 different vehicles, with ample space and support for BMW’s new electric “I” cars slated for introduction this year. Service bays more than doubled, increasing from four to 10. Staff increased from 11 to 13, with an additional five to seven hires planned within the year.

The increased size was prompted by current demand following two years of robust growth, said Cousineau, who added that sales volume increased by 40 percent in 2011-2012 and by 39 percent in 2012-2013.

Happy Days have indeed returned to NW lower Michigan!

 
Comment by Mr. Smithers
2013-07-20 10:12:07

Typical HBB. Let’s ignore the things that don’t fit our meme of “the world is ending” and make some nonsensical statements that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Well done chaps.

 
Comment by Jetfixr
2013-07-20 10:50:58

So, you base your economic data on how some lame azz amusement park in BF Idaho is doing?

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 11:07:25

‘Typical HBB. Let’s ignore the things that don’t fit our meme of “the world is ending” and make some nonsensical statements that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Well done chaps.’

Ignore the troll.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2013-07-20 15:48:36

>So, you base your economic data on how some lame azz amusement park in BF Idaho is doing?

Took the words right out of my mouth. :lol:

 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 10:55:35

Isn’t this the same poster under a new name who crowed a few years ago about how Las Vegas was booming right about the time their housing market went from bad to utterly depressed?

And how did those Atlanta real estate investments ever pan out? Have QE3 MBS bailout purchases brought them back above water yet?

 
 
 
Comment by sippin on some sizzurp
2013-07-20 09:14:21

Globe and Mail - Has the sun set on bargain U.S. home prices for Canadian snowbirds?

“With the loonie losing value against the American dollar, U.S. home prices climbing and the potential for higher mortgage rates, Canadian snowbirds may have missed the best time to buy a winter getaway property.

But that doesn’t mean the window has closed completely, industry experts say.

According to the most recent data from the Washington-based National Association of Realtors, the median home in the U.S. during the first quarter of 2013 fetched $176,000. That’s about 12-per-cent more than a year earlier, although it remains well below a peak of $227,000 prior to the 2008-09 recession.

With the American economy widely projected to pick up steam starting in the second half of 2013 and returning to a more traditional growth rate of near three per cent in 2014, the national real-estate association predicts home prices will continue to appreciate over the next few years.

Meanwhile, the Canadian dollar is no longer worth more than the U.S. dollar and is now trading four to five cents below parity, meaning any purchase comes with a surcharge once exchange rate conversion costs are added.

Some economists believe the loonie will hold at the current level for the rest of the year, but some, including the TD Bank, is projecting a fall to 90 cents U.S. by the end of 2013. Few think the Canadian currency will strengthen this year.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/personal-finance/mortgages/has-the-sun-set-on-bargain-us-home-prices-for-canadian-snowbirds/article13322478/

Comment by MightyMike
2013-07-20 11:05:35

Just wait until the Canadian housing bubble bursts. The loonie is going to crash just like a duck taking a load of birdshot.

Comment by 2banana
2013-07-20 12:26:48

If that is case -

Would not it make a huge amount of sense to have assets in the USD?

Like a house?

Comment by Professor Bear
2013-07-20 13:14:07

I expect the all-cash Canadian and Chinese investors to keep making new U.S. residential real estate investments right up until the point when their own real estate bubbles collapse.

I next expect to see them try to cash out of U.S. housing in droves before the ensuing shock wave leads to a decline in U.S. housing prices which “nobody could have seen coming.”

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Comment by Blue Skye
2013-07-20 16:14:09

Expecting the unexpected!

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by (Still) Waiting for the Fall
2013-07-20 11:24:17

House Flipping Infomercials have made a big comeback here in Central FL. More than I’ve seen in the last five years, combined. Is it just me or do these ads seem to have have an appearance of quiet desperation about them?

 
Comment by (Still) Waiting for the Fall
2013-07-20 11:28:50

House Flipping Infomercials have made an egregious comeback here in Central FL. Same elsewhere? Is it just me or do these ads have a increased intensity that borders on quiet desperation?

Comment by Skroodle
2013-07-20 11:54:26

I haven’t seen any in North Texas since that Montelongo guy came through earlier in the Spring.

 
Comment by non-conformist
2013-07-20 12:02:51

Some are…. (Still) Waiting for the Fall

While….

Boomerang buyers return to market after foreclosure

By Les Christie @CNNMoney March 11, 2013: 6:12 AM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney)

Borrowers who lost homes to foreclosure during the housing bust are starting to buy again.

Since the housing bubble burst, 4.8 million borrowers have lost their homes to foreclosure, and another 2.2 million gave them up in short sales, according to RealtyTrac. While many are still struggling to recover financially, a growing number are starting to bounce back — and they are looking for a new place to call home.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/11/real_estate/foreclosure-homes/index.html - 66k -

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2013-07-20 12:13:44

If Obama Had A City, It Would Look like Detroit
American Thinker | 07/20/2013 | Richard Butrick

Consider the following regarding the city of Detroit:

40% of its street lamps don’t work.

210 of its 317 public parks have been closed.

It takes an hour for police to respond to a 911 call. Only a third of its ambulances are drivable.

One-third of the city has been abandoned.

Forty-seven percent of adults are functionally illiterate Evidently 50 years of governance by compassionate Obama community organizer types have driven out the business class and now there is no one left to rail against.

To top it off, Judge Rosemarie Aquilina declared Detroit’s bankruptcy “unconstitutional.” Evidently, as Mark Stein puts it, in Michigan,” reality is unconstitutional.”

Make that, “If Obama had a country, it would look like Detroit”

 
Comment by Ol'Bubba
2013-07-20 13:09:04

Cool cartography image of Detroit depicting demographics:

http://sf.streetsblog.org/wp-content/upload1/RacemapDetroitedit.png

Each dot in the image represents 25 people.

Red dots represent Whites,
Blue dots represent Black,
Green dots represent Asian, and
Orange dots represent Latino.

Similar maps for 40 metro areas can be found here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/walkingsf/sets/72157624812674967/with/4981417821/

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 14:27:30

The map would be much more informative if it superimposed the Detroit city limits on the dot distribution (see bottom map in the article linked below).

P.S. At least with a home price to income ratio on the order of $40,000/$26,000 = 1.5, Detroit has affordable housing, and plenty of shadow inventory to boot.

DETROIT
JULY 18, 2013
The Decline of Detroit in Five Maps
BY NATE COHN

Over the last decade, Detroit’s population fell by nearly 26 percent. Detroit’s suburbs have lost residents too, but not nearly as many.

It is not quite right to say that Detroit is empty. 700,000 people still live there. But at its peak, the city housed 1.8 million people, and thousands of homes are now abandoned. In some neighborhoods, half of all homes are vacant.

Detroit’s urban core is deeply impoverished. The median household income is just $26,000–the map below shows areas where households make less than $30,000 per year.

Home values are extraordinarily low. In some neighborhood, the median home is worth less than $40,000.

And no discussion of Detroit is complete without mention of race and segregation. In 1950, when Detroit’s population was at its peak, the city was 82 percent white. After decades of white flight, that number is reversed: the city is now 82 percent black and 10 percent white. On the map below, Detroit’s city limits are obvious—especially its northern boundary, along the infamous “Eight Mile Road.”

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 14:37:18

After I hit the Add Comment button on my last post, I realized I still hadn’t quite managed to post the Detroit political boundary map. But here it is.

Unsurprisingly, the blue-red dot boundary aligns closely with the Detroit city limits. I wonder why the blue dot people prefer to live inside the city and the red dot people prefer to live outside the city boundaries (except for the red dot Hamtramckers)?

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 14:44:44

How does the melting pot of Hamtramckers map to the four-color dot scheme? I’m guessing those not of Asian origin typically fall under the “white” (red dot) classification, in furtherance of the politics of race to which U.S. “civil rights leaders” desperately cling.

According to 2010 census figures, 14.5 percent of Hamtramck’s population is of Polish origin; in 1970, it was 90 percent Polish. Over the past 30 years, a large number of immigrants from the Middle East, particularity Yemen, and South Asia have moved to Hamtramck. The 2010 survey estimate the city’s foreign-born population at just over 41 percent.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 15:00:35

St Louis is a most fascinating case. Here is the political boundary map between city and county and here is the race map. Inside the city limit, there is a clean north-south divide between black (blue dots) to the north and whites (red dots) to the south.

Two decades back, I lived on the north-south racial boundary (between Washington University and the Central West End, shown near the blue-red divide on the map), which one guy in my circle at the time referred to as the “Demilitarized Zone.” I knew white guys who were too scared to drive their cars through North or East St Louis in broad daylight; also had a black college roommate whose conferred advice was “if I were a Caucasian, I wouldn’t go into East St Louis at night.”

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-21 00:15:10

Trying again on the St Louis race map. Somehow I managed to accidentally double-post the zip code map above.

 
 
 
Comment by Bluestar
2013-07-20 14:42:05

This is an omen and a good sign that the democrats will loose the White House and probably the Senate too.

Nate Silver Is Leaving The New York Times For ESPN

Election statistics guru Nate Silver leaves the New York Times to join ESPN (Disney) to work with Keith Olbermann covering major league sports.
http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/19/nate-silver-leaving-new-york-times-for-espn/

Nate Silver’s new segment “Spoiler Alert” will be reporting the final score just before the game begins.

Comment by I saw it coming
2013-07-20 15:05:40

Thank god that I don’t have cable….I would hate to be contributing to these idiots’ salaries.

 
 
Comment by non-conformist
2013-07-20 15:04:38

A lot of machete violence lately.

Suburban Lantana man arrested on an aggravated assault charge

Posted: 11:06 p.m. Friday, July 19, 2013

By Julius Whigham II

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

A Lantana man who allegedly threatened to chop a woman’s head off with a machete was arrested Thursday, authorities said.

Ludovic Alexandre, 40, is accused of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. He was released Friday on $15,000 bond.

Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Office deputies were called Thursday evening to reports of a domestic dispute at an unspecified address in unincorporated Lantana.

A caller reported to dispatchers that a man, later identified as Alexandre, threatened to “chop the female’s head off due to her possibly committing adultery,” according to a probable-cause arrest affidavit.

Deputies arrived at the home and found the woman and her children moving items from the home. The woman, who was not identified in the affidavit, told deputies there had been an argument, but she declined to go into detail, the affidavit said.

The woman said that Alexandre did not have a machete and made no threats. She said she told Alexandre she was going to move out.

Deputies then went inside and spoke to Alexandre. He told deputies he argued with the woman because she was not home when she was supposed to be. He left work early and found the woman at home when he arrived.

Alexandre asked the woman where she was and suspected she was committing adultery, the affidavit said.

Alexandre said he owns a machete but made no threats.

A woman who asked to remain anonymous told deputies she witnessed the confrontation. The witness said Alexandre threatened to harm the other woman and went outside and retrieved a machete.

Alexandre waved the machete around and stated he was going “chop her head off then chop her up with the machete and put her in a bag,” the witness told investigators.

The witness said the other woman did not speak about the incident because she was too afraid of Alexandre, the affidavit said.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/local/suburban-lantana-man-arrested-on-an-aggravated-ass/nYxcw/ -

Comment by tresho
2013-07-20 19:26:16

There are so many ways to get ahead in America.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-20 22:38:31

“A Lantana man who allegedly threatened to chop a woman’s head off with a machete was arrested Thursday, authorities said.

Ludovic Alexandre, 40, is accused of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. He was released Friday on $15,000 bond.”

In principle, could his victim have legally shot him and got off with self defense under the Stand Your Ground law?

And would it matter if the guy wielding the machete had been a black teenager?

 
 
Comment by non-conformist
2013-07-20 18:14:40

Any news on the Royal Fetus?

 
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine, CA
2013-07-20 20:12:44

China to back Yuan with Gold
http://tinyurl.com/kwpsuzn
Philippa Malmgren is an insider’s insider.

She was Special Assistant to the President for Economic Policy on the National Economic Council. She was also a member of the President’s Working Group on Financial Markets, aka, the Plunge Protection Team. So she is intimately familiar with the Keynesian establishment and its toxic nature that inevitably will destroy the developed mixed economies of the world.

“The most interesting piece of the puzzle is that the Chinese have emerged as the biggest buyer of gold, mainly in large off market. They want the Yuan to emerge as a hard, gold-backed currency in a world where everyone else has chosen to inflate and devalue. The recent bilateral currency deals with Australia, France Russia and Singapore, and many others, reflect this desire to displace the USD as the world’s reserve currency. It may be an interesting and long race between the Chinese reaching for convertibility and the Western central banks straining credibility.” - Phillipa Malmgren

You should reread the above paragraph. The USD is going downhill.

Here is a list of her CLIENTS, the corporations that pay her firm for her council, the Canonbury Group, of where she serves as the President of her corporation:

* Barclays Capital
* CLSA
* UBS Warburg
* UBS Warburg Private Bank
* Deutsche Bank
* Dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein
* Commonwealth Bank of Australia
* Colonial First State
* Westpac Banking Corporation
* Bank of Ireland
* MFS
* Pimco
* Bank of America
* Alliance Capital Management Corporation
* Goldman Sachs Asset Management
* ABN AMRO Asset Management
* Investec
* T & D Daido Asset Management
* Instinet Global Services
* Nippon Asset Management
* Nissay Asset Management
* Dai-Ichi Life Asset Management
* Daido Life
* Partners Asset Management
* Bank of America
* JP Morgan Chase
* JP Chase Asset Management
* Van Eck Global
* Milestone Merchant Partners
* Bank Julius Baer
* Sumitomo Life International
* Chuo Mitsui Trust and Banking
* Toyo Trust and Banking
* NASDAQ Europe
* ABN AMRO
* Moore Capital
* Wellington
* Central Banks in many countries
* Caxton
* Merriil Lynch Investment Managers
* Mellon Bank
* Investec
* Pequot
* Alliance Capital
* SAC
* Fidelity
* Bank of Ireland
* Fortress
* Citigroup
* Batterymarch Financial Management, Inc.
* Arience Capital
* Bayerische Hypo-und Vereinsbank AG
* Bourne Park Capital
* Brevan Howard
* Deutsche Bank Asset Management
* Gartmore
* Morley Investment Management
* BNP Paribas
* Bussan Asset Management Co., Ltd.
* Black Arrow Capital Management, LLC
* Eaton Vance Management Investment Managers
* Duncan Lawrie Limited
* EFG Eurofinancière d’Investissements
* Broadstone Capital Group Limited
* Bussan Asset Management Co., Ltd.
* Cardinal Asset Management Citic Capital
* Colchester Global Investors Limited
* DLIBJ Asset Management Co., Ltd.
* DWS Investment GmbH
* Gartmore Investment Management
* Fullerton Fund Management Company Ltd
* GSIC
* Credit Suisse First Boston
* Electrolux
* Caterpillar
* Dow Chemical
* Daiwa Securities SMBC Co. Ltd.
* Carret and Company LLC
* J.P. Morgan Investment Management Inc
* National Bank of Dubai
* Zenkyoren
* Viking Global Investors LP
* UFJ Bank Limited
* Toyota Motor Corporation
* The Sumitomo Trust
* Skandia
* Societe Generale
* SONY
* Sharp Corporation
* Soros Fund Management LLC
* Standard Chartered Bank
* Principal Global Investors
* Pacific Asset Management
* Nordea Investment Management
* Morgan Stanley & Co.,
* Macquarie Bank Limited
* Hang Seng Investment Management Limited
* DWS Investment GmbH
* Putnam Investment Management
* Prudential Securities Incorporated
* Miller and Tabak
* RAB Capital Limited
* Schroder Investment Management
* Sovereign Asset Management Limited
* CQS
* Porter, Felleman Inc.
* Itochu
* Tara Capital
* International Fund Investment
* State of Victoria (Australia)

You had best get a clue because the days of the USA retaining its World Reserve Currency Status are WANING RAPIDLY.

Comment by tj
2013-07-20 21:14:02

You had best get a clue because the days of the USA retaining its World Reserve Currency Status are WANING RAPIDLY.

Bill, i don’t think losing reserve currency status would hurt us. it might actually help us.

losing reserve status just means that we’d have slightly higher transaction costs. we would have to change currencies into their currency. nothing but a tiny transaction cost.. but then there would then be much less incentive to counterfeit our currency. right now, it’s believed that some countries governments are actually involved in the counterfeiting. and they they are making near perfect bills. if they stopped counterfeiting ours to counterfeit the new reserve currency, it would help improve the value of the dollar.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-07-21 00:34:38

Don’t you just hate it when you run out of peasants!?

Originally published Saturday, July 20, 2013 at 4:04 PM
China’s economy is about to hit the wall

China is in big trouble, writes Paul Krugman. The country’s economic system, which has driven three decades of incredible growth, has reached its limits. It’s running out of surplus peasants.

Comment by Carl Morris
2013-07-21 07:21:24

Uh oh. That means wages might go up. We can’t have that.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-07-21 16:47:18

Carl…. in the case of the US, wages wouldn’t need to go up if price fixing weren’t so prevalent.

 
 
 
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