August 2, 2013

The Ugly Face Of Greed Will Drive Prices Down

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Glendale home prices shot up 31 percent in the last year, according to a report from Arizona State University. Surrounding areas, such as Youngtown and El Mirage, also have seen large jumps. Two things are happening: Demand for homes is increasing as prospective homebuyers’ personal finances recover from the recession and homes are in short supply as builders significantly slowed new-home construction during the recession, said Michael Orr, director of the ASU real-estate center. ‘We’re only in the second inning of this recovery,’ Orr said. ‘People are going to be terribly surprised by how far prices rise over the next two years.’”

“It’s popular to suggest another housing bubble is forming, but Orr said he doesn’t see that. Instead, he said homes are gaining value as the market continues to recover, and prices reflect that. ‘Houses are still relatively cheap,’ he said. ‘Affordability will start to become a problem at some stage.’”

“Just 44% of Golden State residents were able to afford the median-priced home at the end of the first quarter, according to the California Assn. of Realtors. That compares with 56% during the same period last year. The percentage is expected to decline further when second-quarter data is published next month, reflecting sharp increases in home prices and interest rates. Sonika Desai, 30, and her husband,could have afforded a home priced around $500,000 when interest rates were hovering at about 3.5%, she said.”

“But they did not start searching for a home until April. When they did, the house hunt was maddening. When they did come across the rare home listed in their price range, bidding wars often pushed up prices to as much as $600,000, Desai said. ‘We had to back off,’ she said.”

“Today’s Inky report that ‘house flipping has come to Philadelphia’ seems especially absurd. After all, the nation is just barely recovering from a deep recession caused by the popping of the housing bubble, so why not enjoy a little bit of the same behavior that nearly ruined the economy in the first place? Inky reports: ‘[The] sweet spot seems to be in the $250,000 to $400,000 range,’ said broker Chris Somers of Re/Max Access in Northern Liberties. He had a settlement Thursday for a client who flipped a house in Passyunk Square, and ‘we got it sold in one day,’ he said.”

“But, you know, at least flippers are driving up housing prices artificially so that people who simply want to buy a home have a harder time of it. That’s awesome, right?”

“According to the Washington County Board of Realtors’ MLS, the average home price in the county so far this year is $226,396, an increase of 17 percent. Bob Raybould, a realtor with Vista Real Estate, warned against the ills of a bettering market. ‘The increase of homes being built puts a lot of people back to work but at the same time it raises the ugly face of greed in many,’ Raybould explained. ‘That greed will create an excess of inventory in the market and drive the prices back down. (I am) not certain why we in this industry don’t learn from history.’”

“A sale of federally owned land in the Las Vegas area is signaling a positive turn for the region’s beleaguered housing market and economy that collapsed amid the Great Recession. Karla Norris, BLM assistant district manager who oversees the act under which the land auctions are authorized, said the sale prices equate to $181,000 per acre. Over the last few years the going rates were between $5,000 and $25,000.”

“Seven parcels encompassing 109 acres were sold Tuesday. During the prior three years combined, only about 30 acres were sold. The BLM plans another land sale in the fall, when about 400 acres will be auctioned.”

“The foreclosure market, in its heyday in 2009, accounted for between 40 and 60 percent of home sales, according to Patrik Welty of Legacy Realty in Fenton. ‘We went from a low in 2009 of $123,000 to an average selling price today of $165,000,’ says Welty. In the larger market area encompassed by the Flint Area Association of Realtors, there are 2,320 homes for sale. ‘Typically, there would be about 4,500-4,800,’ said Sue Shangle, incoming president of FAAR. ‘Banks aren’t putting out foreclosures like they were a year ago. Now they’re trickling out.’”

“Statewide, California lenders filed more than 25,700 notices of default from April to June this year, according to the research firm DataQuick. That was up 38.7 percent from the previous quarter. Sam Heller with Keller Williams VIP Properties said the banks still have property to sell off because they lack the manpower to properly complete all the paperwork. ‘Many banks realized that they had created a huge overhead for themselves when they hired loan modification and foreclosure-processing personnel,’ Heller said. ‘They later got rid of many employees to improve the banks’ financial positions.’”

“Heller also believes that some of the foreclosures coming to market involve homeowners who received loan modifications during the recession. But in the end, the savings weren’t large enough to help them keep their homes — and now they’re in trouble again, he said. ‘They jumped from the frying pan into the fire,’ Heller said. ‘Many homeowners can no longer hang on by the tips of their fingers and will start letting go of their homes as winter arrives.’”

“You thought the mortgage crisis was over, Rhode Island? Um, no. The latest numbers, obtained by GoLocalProv from the state housing agency, show new foreclosures actually ticking up slightly in the first three months of 2013, the latest data available, adding to the pipeline of foreclosure to come. Meanwhile, the number of mortgage delinquencies—the prelude to foreclosure—is projected to rise for the rest of the year before finally dropping off. ‘The battle has just begun,’ says George Babcock, a leading foreclosure attorney based in Pawtucket. ‘What happens here on a daily basis…the mortgage nightmare is incomprehensible to me.’”

“Danette Briggs, a 42-year-old single mother of five never wanted the massive (to her) $244,000 mortgage in the first place—not after she saw around the time of the closing that the monthly payments would come to more than $1,800 a month, a huge portion of the salary she draws. But, she says, a loan officer warned her that the sellers would ’sue you if you back out of this.’ Briggs learned only later that there was no legal basis for such a threat.”

“The payments stretched her income to the point that she had wait to pay until after the second of her semi-monthly checks arrived, forcing her to factor in a $76 late fee every month. When the water tank broke and the sewer backed up, there was no margin for error. Within a few months of buying the home in 2006 she fell behind. She has already been through four attempts at loan modification, before one was successful in cutting her loan payments by slightly more than half, while stretching her mortgage out to 40 years. Still, she’s deeply underwater. ‘I didn’t realize it was going to be this difficult,’ she says. ‘It’s been a struggle. God has carried me all these years with this house, and I’m not going to lose it. I’m a fighter.’”

“The UK media seem obsessed with the idea that rising house prices is a good thing. If we get the slightest hint that house prices are set to rise, certain newspapers splash it all over their front cover. But why is it really seen as a good thing when house prices rise? Here is a theory – just a theory – as to why the Brits so love the idea of house prices as an investment.”

“The Brits have bought into a story. It was a story that had its roots in the 1960s and 1970s. At the beginning of this period, house prices to income were quite cheap. Over the following two decades four things happened. Firstly, as mortgages became more widely available, house prices to income rose. Secondly, as productivity grew, real wages rose. Thirdly, inflation meant nominal incomes rose very sharply. Fourthly, for much of this period, real interest rates were negative. These four factors, when combined with the magic of leverage, made buying a house an incredibly lucrative thing to do.”

“During this period the idea was born that when you enter the housing market the best thing to do was buy the most expensive property you could. This period also saw the birth of a new metaphor, ‘the housing ladder.’ The story that emerged during this period is so strong that people still think its lesson applies today.”

“But is that right? House prices are no longer cheap relative to incomes. Real incomes have not been rising for some time. Nominal wages have been rising only very slowly. Sure, real interest rates are negative again. But what will happen when the baby boomers retire, and many of them try to downsize, using the spare equity in their homes? What will happen if real interest rates rise, because of actions beyond the control of the Bank of England?”

“The narrative of the UK housing market suggests that house prices always go up. But many of the facts that created that narrative have changed. When pieces of the narrative are changed at a later date, the overall initial impression is unaltered. The narrative changes us, and retrospective changes to the narrative don’t reverse the original effect it had on us. Until, that is, the narrative is proven to be wrong beyond any doubt. By then, it may be too late to do anything about it.”

“The U.S. homeownership rate, which soared to a record high 69.2 percent in 2004, is back where it was two decades ago, before the housing bubble inflated, busted and ripped more than 7 million Americans from their homes. Housing industry and consumer groups are pressing lawmakers to make the American Dream more inclusive by ensuring new mortgage standards designed to prevent another crash are flexible enough that more families can benefit from the recovery. Regulators are close to proposing a softened version of a rule requiring banks to keep a stake in risky mortgages they securitize, according to five people familiar with the discussions.”

“Lawmakers currently shaping housing finance are seeking to reduce the government’s role in keeping rates affordable for riskier borrowers while ensuring homeownership is within reach of minorities and first-time buyers who could be needed to sustain the housing recovery as borrowing costs rise from record lows. Who will be able to buy property depends on the balance they reach, according to Anthony Sanders, a professor of real estate finance at George Mason University in Fairfax Virginia.”

“‘Low down-payment loans coupled with exotic adjustable rate mortgages helped fuel a massive housing bubble, which ultimately burst and took down the financial sector,’ said Sanders, who was the former head of mortgage-bond research at Deutsche Bank AG. ‘So the question now is do we want to do this again?’”




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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-08-02 05:47:47

“Today’s Inky report that ‘house flipping has come to Philadelphia’ seems especially absurd. After all, the nation is just barely recovering from a deep recession caused by the popping of the housing bubble, so why not enjoy a little bit of the same behavior that nearly ruined the economy in the first place?

You all do remember the millions of suckers drawn into NASDAQ post tech bubble meltdown?

Well here we are once again…..

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8180/stagesbubble.png

And remember this…… Current asking prices of resale housing are 40% higher than new construction housing.

Comment by Bubbabear
2013-08-02 09:38:47

Why Another Great Real Estate Crash Is Coming

There are very few segments of the U.S. economy that are more heavily affected by interest rates than the real estate market is. When mortgage rates reached all-time low levels late last year, it fueled a little “mini-bubble” in housing which was greatly celebrated by the mainstream media. Unfortunately, the tide is now turning. Interest rates are starting to move up steadily, even though the Federal Reserve has been trying very hard to keep that from happening. A few weeks ago, when Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke suggested that the Fed may start to “taper” the rate of quantitative easing…

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/why-another-great-real-estate-crash-is-coming

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-08-02 12:22:01

“There are very few segments of the U.S. economy that are more heavily affected by interest rates than the real estate market is.”

The bond market is one of those few segments.

Aug. 2, 2013, 12:21 p.m. EDT
Bond market to Fed: Try to stop me
By Michael A. Gayed

Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning.

—Albert Einstein

Last night I was doing a Twitter rant countering several popular notions about markets, the Fed and tapering.

The meme in financial markets now is that the stock market doesn’t care about rising rates and has held nicely throughout the recent spike in bond yields. No disagreements there, except that the stock market also did very well despite spiking yields before the Crash of 1987.

The problem with the mentality here is in thinking that the speed of yield movement does not serve as a shock to the economy. It, in actuality, might. More so than that, the entire “stock buyback because I can issue debt at ridiculously low rates and shrink share supply” story is now out of the window.

Does that mean a crash will happen? Not necessarily.

 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-08-02 05:49:10

“The U.S. homeownership rate, which soared to a record high 69.2 percent in 2004, is back where it was two decades ago

And so is housing demand.

 
Comment by Combotechie
2013-08-02 06:08:53

“Heller also believes that some of the foreclosures coming to market involve homeowners who received loan modifications during the recession. But in the end, the savings weren’t large enough to help them keep their homes - and now they are in trouble again, he said. ‘They jumped from the frying pan into the fire’, Heller said. ‘Many homeowners can no longer hang on by the tips of their fingers and will start letting go of their homes as winter arrives’.”

But in the meantime these folks who where hanging on by the tips of their fingers were staying and they were paying and they were keeping the place up as if they were owners because owners was what they considered themselves to be.

But the true owners were the lenders, not themselves, something these folks will discover once it is in the interest of the lenders to drop the hammer on them and toss them into the street.

“… and will start letting go of their homes as winter arrives.”

Which is - what? - Christmas time, perhaps? As in Merry Christmas?

Truly, no FB dollar shall be allowed to escape.

Comment by AmazingRuss
2013-08-02 09:32:24

Merry Christmas kids! Now into the street with you!

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-08-02 06:20:30

“But they did not start searching for a home until April. When they did, the house hunt was maddening. When they did come across the rare home listed in their price range, bidding wars often pushed up prices to as much as $600,000, Desai said. ‘We had to back off,’ she said.”

Though sad to see these greater fools get outbid by Wall Street sharks, it will be so much sadder when the investors pull the plug on their quick flips, leaving recent buyers holding the bag on housing bubble losses (again!)…

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-08-02 06:28:02

“After all, the nation is just barely recovering from a deep recession caused by the popping of the housing bubble, so why not enjoy a little bit of the same behavior that nearly ruined the economy in the first place?”

NAILED IT!

Comment by azdude
2013-08-02 06:32:25

because there is no other way to obtain growth.

What really needs to happen is for govt to quit regulating people out of business. Instead more jobs are shipped overseas.

How about some tax revenue from business in stead of printing money?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-08-02 06:42:05

“What really needs to happen is for govt to quit regulating people out of business.”

But with less regulation, how will government regulators justify their livelihoods?

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-08-02 07:09:21

‘the sale prices equate to $181,000 per acre. Over the last few years the going rates were between $5,000 and $25,000…Seven parcels encompassing 109 acres were sold Tuesday. During the prior three years combined, only about 30 acres were sold. The BLM plans another land sale in the fall, when about 400 acres will be auctioned’

So while we work three jobs to afford a roof over our heads, the feds sit on millions of acres and dribble it out to developers. What kind of an increase in living standards could we have with affordable housing? Is it really so important that a government that can print money rakes in baskets of cash selling land they didn’t pay for?

Our government is stupid, and we’re paying for it. I was listening to a long thing on NPR about fast food workers striking for higher wages. Not one mention of the immigration bill.

Or this:

‘NATO was formed in 1949 to protect Western Europe from a Soviet Bloc and a Soviet Union that disappeared a generation ago. U.S. treaties with Japan and the Philippines date to the 1950s, when Chairman Mao was exporting communist revolution. Should these treaties now require us to go to war with China to defend disputed islets and rocks in the East and South China Sea?’

‘Our treaty with South Korea dates to a war against the North that ended in a truce 60 years ago. South Korea today has twice the population of the North and 40 times the GDP. Must we still deploy a U.S. army on the Korean DMZ?’

‘In 1977 we undertook to give $5 billion in annual foreign aid to Israel and Egypt. After 35 years, how long should the United States, whose middle class has not seen a rise in real income since 1977, borrow from China to pay Egyptians and Israelis $5 billion a year not to fight each other?’

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Comment by 2banana
2013-08-02 08:36:04

It is a great question and we need to stop giving aid to countries that can obviously stand on their own two feet.

To play devil’s advocate - most of that aid comes with strings attached. Like they must purchased American made goods with it. So it really is a subside to American corporations.

‘In 1977 we undertook to give $5 billion in annual foreign aid to Israel and Egypt. After 35 years, how long should the United States, whose middle class has not seen a rise in real income since 1977, borrow from China to pay Egyptians and Israelis $5 billion a year not to fight each other?’</i

 
Comment by DennisN
2013-08-02 17:55:32

People in the east may not realize how much land the federal government owns in the west. The state of Idaho is something like 70% owned by the federal government, between BLM, national forest, DOE, DOD, and a few other agencies. Many years ago the federal government pushed the concept of homesteading, where deserving people could be granted government land in exchange for developing it. I haven’t heard about any homesteading being offered recently.

And NATO….

The purpose of NATO was to defend against the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union broke up in 1991. In my estimation, about 1993 NATO should have thrown a great year-long victory party and then disbanded.

 
Comment by DennisN
2013-08-02 18:03:13

“Federally owned or administered lands constitute some 24 percent of the total land area of the United States; of this federal land, 89 percent is in the American West, and such lands constitute almost one-half of the total land area of the eleven most western states. 63 percent of Idaho is federal lands. Four agencies control more than 99 percent of all federal lands.”

http://imnh.isu.edu/digitalatlas/geog/publrecr/text/fedx.htm

 
 
Comment by azdude
2013-08-02 07:44:50

“But with less regulation, how will government regulators justify their livelihoods?”

Dude that is so true and exactly what the problem is with the economy.Best truth I’ve heard in a long time. You will never see someone come on TV and say that.

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Comment by Strawberry picker
2013-08-02 07:04:50

‘People are going to be terribly surprised by how far prices rise over the next two years.’”

True, they will be terribly surprised. Funny how prices that were based on fraud, manipulation, and irrational exuberance untethered from any fundamentals are the baseline for what we should return to. Ignore all those crooked appraisals and the lack of underwriting oversight from before, that’s what it is worth!

MORE STEROIDS!!

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-08-02 07:15:55

Keep in mind that’s Michael Orr speaking. He’s paid by NAR to distort the truth.

 
Comment by AnonyRuss
2013-08-02 15:40:51

Any time that I venture onto City Data Phoenix housing threads for kicks, half of the posts are a re-hashing of this Orr character’s words. Orr’s comments are treated by Phoenix UHS et al like they came down from Mt Sinai. Like his predecessor, Orr will deny a bubble until we are past the point of collapse.

But, of course, he is probably right. With super tight Phoenix area inventory, prices will probably rise substantially over the next year or two. He is just wrong about the fundamental recovery (non-bubble) explanation.

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-08-02 16:44:58

‘Like his predecessor’

Was that Mr Vest? Who here remembers RL Brown’s newsletter?

http://www.rlbrownreports.com/index.php?cID=125

Comment by DennisN
2013-08-02 18:00:02

“Powered by Homebuilders Marketings Inc.”…. LOL

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Comment by AnonyRuss
2013-08-03 01:05:24

Jay Butler was the ASU Real Estate guru before Orr. During the whole bubble buildup, I fail to recall him giving any insight into the powerful mania taking place right in his backyard. After the inventory build-up starting in 2006, and as the loans started unraveling in the years after that, he did not ignore it. But I would think that he could have used his frequent quotes in Arizona RE news articles to comment on (perhaps even criticize) the mania before its inevitable collapse.

I remember Butler and some of the other Arizona RE types (Elliott Pollack, reporter Catherine Reagor) debating whether a bubble existed in 2005 on the PBS Horizon show. Butler would later report the “bad” numbers as sales slowed dramatically, but he definitely engaged in some serial bottom-calling beginning in 2006-07.

Even when Butler acknowledged a bubble, he would give legitimacy to the notion that the prices will bubble up whatever it was in Phoenix -150% in a few year time span- and then just stay there and appreciate a tiny bit per year after that. Or maybe drop by a small amount. I frankly do not see how this could have seemed like a reasonable possibility in the Arizona of late 2005, especially for someone who studied real estate as his full-time, tenured gig in bubblicious Tempe.

“RL Brown’s newsletter?”

He went to “code red” in mid-2006. That was his warning for the RE buying public in Metro Phoenix. A year or so earlier and his advice might have helped some peak bubble buyers.

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Comment by rms
2013-08-02 20:54:03

“Orr’s comments are treated by Phoenix UHS et al like they came down from Mt Sinai.”

+1 Hehe, likely did if your perspective comes from the pulpit.

 
 
 
Comment by Bad Andy
2013-08-02 08:13:26

“The Ugly Face of Greed Will Drive Prices Down”

Agreed and CoreLogic does as well but our friend Jack McCabe doesn’t think so. From the Sun Sentinel:

“Homeowners, I think, will continue to see values increase over the next 12 months,” McCabe said, “but don’t expect these sky-high rates.”

I know you lurk here occasionally Jack, but we have to disagree much like we did when you were still pushing single family homes as unlikely to lose value.

Comment by In Colorado
2013-08-02 09:16:12

The worst thing is that ALL of my coworkers believe that high prices in Denver are reasonable, because they are much lower than Bay Area prices.

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-08-02 10:30:25

Yeah, Denver is at all time highs, and the Bay Area is still not over priced because it’s not at all time highs.

Comment by azdude
2013-08-02 11:39:44

richmond is a ghetto. I guess it depends where your at n the bay area? Everytime I go down there I’m constantly harassed by homeless people.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-08-02 12:23:14

“richmond is a ghetto.”

One man’s ghetto is another man’s affordable housing.

 
Comment by rms
2013-08-02 20:59:12

“One man’s ghetto is another man’s affordable housing.”

Safer choices exist in flyover country.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-08-02 23:23:01

“Safer choices exist in flyover country.”

As do more dangerous choices.

 
 
 
Comment by Bad Andy
2013-08-02 10:34:21

I’m running into everyone shopping on monthly payment. It’s important that my insurance is below XYZ because my monthly payment can’t be above $1,900 or I’ll LOSE MY CHANCE TO BUY. Hopeless.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-08-02 10:39:40

You must be hearing Hee Haw! Hee Haw! wherever you go.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-08-02 11:05:30

“Why buy a house now at these massively inflated prices? Rent for half the monthly cost and then buy later for 65% less.”

Correct. Rent and save all that excess cash as housing prices roll back to early 1990’s levels.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-08-02 23:16:15

“(I am) not certain why we in this industry don’t learn from history.’”

Those who fail to learn the painful lessons of history are destined to repeat them.

 
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