What Happens If It Happens Again?
A report from Maine Biz. “Multifamily homes are selling as soon as they hit Portland’s hot housing market. ‘Rates are still really low. I thought it was a smart idea to buy and looked for something that will pay for itself,’ says Amy Mullen, 25, a marketing manager. She recently bought a three-story, 2,600-square-foot multifamily in Portland that has two units. She initially will live in one and rent the second, but might eventually buy a house and rent out both. She figures she can get $1,800 in rent for the three-bedroom unit and $1,050 for the two-bedroom one, including utilities, cable and Internet. She paid $282,000 for the property with a 3.5% down payment Federal Housing Administration loan and a 3.7% mortgage.”
“‘It seems like a trend to me,’ she says of buying the multifamily. Indeed, a co-worker bought a multifamily a few weeks ago, her parents are looking for one and her grandmother bought one a couple of months ago. ‘It’s for the extra income. I’m using it as an alternative to stocks,’ she says. The initial driver to buy, she says, was her $410 monthly rent that didn’t yield any equity. Now, she pays about $600 in an equivalent of rent, but owns the property.”
“As many first-time landlords will quickly discover, having tenants isn’t about just passively collecting rent checks. Rental property must be run like a business, with a budget and interactions with the tenants. ‘They think they can make money on a multifamily while they sleep, but now that they’re a landlord, they’ll never sleep,’ cautions John Graham, a broker at Sullivan Multi Family Realty in Portland.”
The Stowe Reporter in Vermont. “Sales are up and prices are down in Stowe’s real estate market, according to figures from the first half of the year. Sixty-one percent of the home sales involved prices below $500,000, said McKee Macdonald, a broker with the Smith Macdonald Group of Coldwell Banker Carlson Real Estate in Stowe. On average, home sales under $500,000 sold for 4 percent below the assessed value the town uses for property-tax purposes.”
“The majority of second-home buyers in Stowe come from the Boston area. ‘It’s a luxury market,’ Macdonald said. ‘It’s easier for a family of four or five to drive three or four hours and be at a resort rather than flying out West. Stowe has a level of luxury that you can’t get anywhere else in the East, and that has had a major impact on the market.’”
The Boston Business Journal in Massachusetts. “The Massachusetts Mortgage Bankers Association has joined about 20 other state associations and the national MBA in asking Congress to prevent towns from using eminent domain to seize troubled mortgages. Locally, the idea has gotten some traction in Brockton, which recently considered implementing the process. The MMBA argues the practice ‘is undercutting the nations housing markets by lowering housing values.’”
The Republican on Massachusetts. “There were only 72 foreclosure deeds filed in Springfield during the first half of 2013, a 72 percent decline from the 253 foreclosure deeds filed during the same time period last year. Roberto Garcia, a community organizer at Springfield No One Leaves, said many homeowners find themselves in a sort of limbo. Their mortgages are in arrears, but their lenders are neither accepting partial payments nor are they moving forward with a foreclosure. Springfield No One Leaves is an organization that advocates on behalf of owners and tenants about to lose their homes to foreclosure.”
“‘They either give up or leave their home because they are tired of not knowing,’ Garcia said. ‘Or they work with us and try to get a loan modification. But the bank asks for more paperwork, says it doesn’t have the last batch of paperwork and nothing gets done.’”
Go Local Worcester in Massachusetts. “Mildred and Gregg Collins will not be evicted from the three-decker they inhabit at 82 Ingelside Avenue on Worcester’s East Side neighborhood–at least, not for now. That’s the good news. The bad news: nobody knows for sure who legally owns the property in which they are being allowed to continue residing. On July 22, Mildred and Gregg were both surprised and elated to learn that a Worcester Housing Court judge had ruled in their favor–and against Deutsche Bank, which had purportedly but not, as the judge decided, legally foreclosed on the property in 2011. At the time, the property had an outstanding refinancing loan of around $250,000–money that Mildred and Gregg had borrowed a few years earlier to pay for renovation work.”
“When they bought 82 Ingleside 17 years ago, their goal was to fix it up so that one day their three children could each have one floor of it. ‘This has been a very long fight,’ Mildred says, adding that she originally thought ‘it was all my fault.’ She’s since learned that it wasn’t all her–or her husband’s–fault, and that many more financially hurting people have faced–and will continue to confront–a similar fight.”
“Mildred thinks the bankers could have at least shown some humanity while attempting to foreclose on 82 Ingleside. When your next car payment is due and you can’t make that payment, she says, most banks will at least put that payment at the end of the loan schedule. In the case of 82 Ingleside, Mildred says with a deep sigh, the bankers were not willing to help. ‘They were not willing to do anything,’ she says, adding, ‘I don’t think the banks have a piece of heart in their bodies.’”
The Star Ledger in New Jersey. “Yolanda Andrews bought her one-family home in Newark’s West Ward in 2004 unaware, like almost everyone else in America at the time, that housing prices would come crashing down a few years later. Now she is on disability and struggling to make her mortgage payments. Her lending bank, Wells Fargo, worked with her to modify the loan, bringing the monthly payments down by $49 a month. But the payments are still beyond her reach and her home is worth less than the mortgage amount, meaning she can’t sell, even if she wanted to. Her last hope is that the city takes the property through eminent domain. The Newark city council is expected to discuss the issue as early as this week.”
“In Newark, home values have dropped an estimated $1.9 billion since 2008 as a result of foreclosures. When property values drop, so do tax revenues, resulting in homeowners paying a larger piece of the pie in property taxes and fewer police and firefighters on the streets. Newark has spent about $56 million in the past four years on safety inspections, police and fire department calls, and property maintenance for distressed and abandoned properties.”
“More than 9,000 Newark homeowners owe, on average, more than $70,000 on their mortgages than what their homes are worth, according to New Jersey Communities United. Before a government can seize a property — tangible, like a house, or intangible, like a mortgage — it must prove the property is a blight, and seizing it serves a public good. Charles Gormally, an attorney with Brach Eichler in Roseland, said there is room for debate there. ‘I don’t know if the mortgage has caused the blight or if it’s the homeowner walking away,’ he said.”
Press of Atlantic City in New Jersey. “Real estate professionals with expertise in dealing with distressed properties said banks are still slow to put houses on the market locally — perhaps waiting for an increase in prices to reduce their losses. But a jump in local and state foreclosures in the second quarter suggests the long-awaited resolution of distressed properties — delayed by the N.J. Supreme Court moratorium — is finally about to start in earnest.”
“‘For the most part, we are not seeing any of that shadow inventory (distressed properties withheld from the market). I don’t see them releasing that,’ said Hader Rivas, an agent with Re/Max Atlantic in Northfield. ‘I think the banks are holding out for a rebound in property values.’”
“Rick Cammarano, a broker associate with Century 21 Alliance Wildwood Crest, said that while there have been some developments regarding distressed properties, more houses reaching the market still isn’t one of them. ‘A lot of the banks aren’t unloading these properties yet. Everybody is trying to figure out what they’re waiting for,’ said Cammarano. He said even many properties listed for foreclosure sales haven’t really been available. ‘Every time the scheduled sale nears, they’re postponed, and the date keeps going further and further back,’ Cammarano said.”
“Cammarano said the seemingly endless foreclosure crisis in New Jersey has resulted in a lot of damaged housing and squatters living rent-free. ‘I went by one today right in my neighborhood and noticed the back of the house has a blue tarp on it, which means the roof leaks,’ he said. ‘Now there’s water in the house, in the summer heat, so you have mold, and it just gets worse.’”
“When the housing bubble collapsed, no one imagined it would take government and the banks seven years or more to end the foreclosure crisis. ‘I thought for sure by now we’d have this whole mess resolved, but the fact is they haven’t, and a lot of properties are sitting around vacant,’ Cammarano said.”
The New York Post. “‘Insane!’ That’s the word Sanjay Bhasin, who was in town from Bangkok, chose to describe his hunt for a Brooklyn pied-à-terre. ‘You can’t find anything,’ Bhasin said. ‘Everything moves very fast. And the thing that amazes me is that people are willing to pay so much for so little.’”
“What’s more surprising is that this is no longer the case just in the brownstone belt of Brooklyn Heights or the hipster haven of Williamsburg. Kings County neighborhoods like Bedford-Stuyvesant, Crown Heights, Clinton Hill and Prospect Heights have come along for the ride, too, with prices rising over $1 million on some condos, and the price per square foot skyrocketing, as well.”
“At 111 Monroe in Bed-Stuy, the building was originally sold under extremely gray financial clouds back in 2009 and 2010. ‘I don’t think there wasn’t a buyer who wasn’t scared s–tless,’ says Andrew Barrocas, CEO of MNS, which sold the building. ‘“The market had dropped so much, everybody was saying, ‘What happens if it happens again?’”
“Barrocas firmly held buyers’ hands, but it turns out they had little to worry about. Earlier this month, a resale of a two-bedroom at 111 Monroe went for $620,000. The same unit sold for $460,000 in 2010.”
“Even in the space of a year, buyers have seen prices shoot up dramatically. ‘Everything is more expensive,’ says Marisa Rahaman, who showed up at Clinton Lofts with her husband and their 2-month-old son. Rahaman first started looking for something to buy a year ago. ‘I remember thinking it sounded expensive when we saw a 1 1/2- bedroom loft in Greenpoint for $579,000. I thought it was insane. Now it doesn’t sound so bad.’”
“Rental property must be run like a business, with a budget and interactions with the tenants.”
This “interactions with the tenants” part is the key, from what I can see. I know guys who do well as landlords in Compton and Lynwood and the key for them is tenant selection and the business relationship they develop with the tenants after they have been selected.
No doubt the stats of their success are translated into some database somewhere and some hedge fund will pick up on these stats and will run them through a spreadsheet which will draw out for them an impressive chart with and ever-rising profit line, and then they will use this chart to induce owners of OPM to put their money down so as to cash in on the opportunities places such as Compton and Lynwood offer to the propestive RE investor.
The only thing missing from the stats that produce the ever-rising profit line is the intangable factors which makes the whole thing work which is:
1. Tenant selection, and
2. The business relationship built up with the tenant after they have been selected.
Many of these tenants are from puplic housing and their universal cry is “Get me out of here!”. When offered a chance to get out they will jump at it. And some of them - BUT NOT ALL OF THEM - will be oh soooo grateful, and these are the ones that the landlord needs to focus his attention on.
Unless they are working and paying the rent for their new found apartment…
They will just bring everything they thought they were escaping with them.
This is where the business relationship part comes into play.
And, in the cases I am referring to, these are not apartments but are SFDs.
A small (but significiant) point I need to make:
If you are a hedge fund running rentals then you need to make your selections via written applications. You use these applictions to discover who the prospective renters are and what they are about.
If you are a mom-and-pop operation and you are “plugged-in” into the community then you don’t need a written application to discover just who your prospective tenants are what they are about because this is information YOU WILL ALREADY KNOW.
The free sh*t army marches on.
Coast to coast. Richmond to Newark
Last hope? How about walking away and renting/buying something you can afford?
Oh - that is right. You are “fighting for your house” that you have not made a mortgage payment in years.
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But the payments are still beyond her reach and her home is worth less than the mortgage amount, meaning she can’t sell, even if she wanted to. Her last hope is that the city takes the property through eminent domain. The Newark city council is expected to discuss the issue as early as this week.”
Welcome to the obama housing bubble…
Get on the property ladder NOW or get priced out forever!
‘I remember thinking it sounded expensive when we saw a 1 1/2- bedroom loft in Greenpoint for $579,000. I thought it was insane. Now it doesn’t sound so bad.’”
When I was a kid growing up in Queens nobody wanted to live in Greenpoint because the Trunz meat factory would “outgas” many times during the day. My how times have changed…
Mugsy Now there is a staples a McD and some other auto store on that property. Dont pass that area often, another staples is closer to us.
Some big U.S. cities at risk of another housing bubble -Shiller
By Tim Reid
Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:30pm EDT
(Reuters) - Dramatic home price gains in some of America’s largest cities point to a potentially new housing bubble in those areas, according to Robert Shiller, who helped create a closely watched gauge of U.S. housing prices.
Shiller said big price gains in Las Vegas, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Miami and Phoenix, fueled in part by a large influx of outside investor money, are a possible sign of trouble ahead.
“There is a risk of bubbles in these cities,” Shiller, a co-founder of the S&P/Case-Shiller Home Price Index, told Reuters on Wednesday. “House prices increases have been dramatic. It looks like the beginning of the last bubble.”
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Well we may have a Bubble again in some markets but Detroit is an example what can go wrong with Real Estate ownership when you politicians are reckless and city unions reach beyond reasonable and ultimately affordable within muni budgets…
http://www.city-journal.org/2013/23_3_state-debt.html
What a bunch of corrupt ba$turds…Generations of tax payers will be paying for this B-$hit if they can pay it at all…From the article;
Other New York deals engineered without voter say-so include a $2.7 billion bond offering in 2003, backed by 25 years’ worth of revenues from the state’s gigantic settlement with tobacco companies. To circumvent borrowing limits, the state created an independent corporation to issue the bonds and then used the money from the bond sale to close a budget deficit—instantly consuming most of the tobacco settlement, which now had to be used to pay off the debt. Legislators engineer such borrowing because they aren’t confident that voters would agree to new debt: of the seven bond offerings that Empire State voters have considered over the past 25 years, four went down to defeat.
“I thought it was a smart idea to buy and looked for something that will pay for itself,’ says Amy Mullen, 25, a marketing manager.”
The savvy under-30 buyers are back!
“The initial driver to buy, she says, was her $410 monthly rent that didn’t yield any equity. Now, she pays about $600 in an equivalent of rent, but owns the property.”
Does the ‘equivalent of rent’ perhaps include a $190 ($600 - $410) monthly interest payment to the bank?
‘They think they can make money on a multifamily while they sleep, but now that they’re a landlord, they’ll never sleep,’
MoneyLandlords never sleeps.“Landlords never sleep”
Whac, do you constantly bother your landlord about issues or pay late? If I had to guess, I’d say your place doesn’t have many issues, you pay right on time, and your landlord sleeps just fine.
I’m sure these buyers will have some problems, but “never sleep” is over the top.
And you would know this how Krusty??
You, on the other hand, probably write “To Debt Donkey” in the memo section of the rent check each month.
Don’t backpedal Krusty The Realtor. Answer the question.
If a tenant troubles a landlord, then a landlord will raise the rent to force the troublesome tenant to move.
Whac has been paying the same rent nigh on 7 years.
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Therefore, Whac must not be a troublesome tenent.
Q.E.D.
Yeah Donkey….. It’s that simple huh…. LOLZ
I’m sure these buyers will have some problems, but “never sleep” is over the top ??
Right up to the point that you have the “Tenant-From-Hell”…These tenants, educated in the can & cannot do’s of tenant landlord law can cause you so much grief that you in fact won’t sleep very well…Add in some slimy plaintiff lawyer and I agree with P-bear…
“The MMBA argues the practice ‘is undercutting the nations housing markets by lowering housing values.”
Doesn’t letting vacant homes rot to the ground lower housing values? I’d think seizing a vacant property and selling it to the highest bidder would be a good way to end the banks’ habit of never taking possession.
“When the housing bubble collapsed, no one imagined it would take government and the banks seven years or more to end the foreclosure crisis. ‘I thought for sure by now we’d have this whole mess resolved, but the fact is they haven’t, and a lot of properties are sitting around vacant,’ Cammarano said.”
Extend-and-pretend in action!
I was about to post the same quote.
The problem is knuckleheaded thinking like this - that the government should do something. The original premise of the government stepping in was to prevent a collapse in housing prices, and as I said in 2008 (as I was quickly selling everything I owned) it will not prevent the collapse - just slow it down, which is a bad thing.
If housing prices had been allowed to fall on their own, we would have bottomed in about 6 months instead of 3 years, because the investors who swooped in in 2011 had that money back in 2008 as well.
I would also argue that if we had bottomed sooner, it would have not have been as deep, since there were many businesses that could have weathered a 6-12 month financial storm, but could not weather the 6 year downturn. Lost jobs = deeper, longer recession.
The government is supremely arrogant to think it is immune to or can change the laws of economics. You don’t get to a bottom until people are willing to buy, and people were not willing to buy until prices became more reasonable. So, the faster you get there, the faster you can start recovering.
‘The number of Vermont homes under foreclosure is up nearly 17 percent this year, but the problem may be easing, according to the state Department of Financial Regulation. NeighborWorks of Western Vermont, a homeownership advocacy group, has seen its share of homeowners in trouble. Nancy Gilman, a NeighborWorks counselor, said most of the people she sees fall behind in their mortgage payments through no fault of their own. ‘I think it’s a mixture of losing their jobs or having to take lower-paying jobs,’ Gilman said.’
‘She said homeowners who contact their lenders early on asking for help are told they first need to be in arrears before receiving any help with their loan. “They basically tell the homeowners you need to be three months behind and then come back to us and we’ll look at doing a modification,” Gilman said.’
‘Homeowners who do go through a loan-modification process are often caught up in a maze of paperwork that drags out the process for a year or more. “Then they end up being so far behind that it’s hard to get a modification approved because they owe so much in back payments and fees … by the time they roll that back in, they can’t create an affordable payment for them,” Gilman said.’
‘The real-estate market continued to recover in Rhode Island throughout the second quarter of this year, and the median house price reached $209,900, up 10 percent compared with April, May and June 2012. ‘The supply of homes for sale has dropped, eliminating the excess of homes for sale, particularly those sold through foreclosure and short sale,’ association president Victoria Doran said. ‘Sellers need to understand, however, that the decrease in distressed sales is what is elevating the median price. Homes sold through conventional means still need to be reasonably priced.’
‘The SouthCoast real estate market has seen some of the biggest increases in home sales in the state for the second quarter of 2013, with four towns ranking among the 25 “hottest towns in Massachusetts.” Peter Barney, administrative assistant at the New Bedford assessor’s office, expressed optimism about the housing market. But he warned that government policies could inhibit future growth, including rising interest rates — ‘the negative trickle-down of overregulation.’ ‘When money is cheap, it’s one thing,’ Barney said. ‘When money begins to get a little more expensive … banking regulations tend to have a hold on what’s going on.’
‘Kate Lanagan MacGregor, southeast regional director for the Massachusetts Association of Realtors, said her business has doubled since last year. She argued that the supply of houses in the $200,000 range is what fuels growth in New Bedford and Fairhaven. ‘I think that our economy is as stable as it’s going to be,’ MacGregor said of the long-term trajectory of the market. ‘Our income is not going up, unemployment has not changed dramatically, we can’t support a huge influx in housing prices — and because of that we’re going to have a slow incline in our prices.’
She argued that the supply of houses in the $200,000 range is what fuels growth in New Bedford and Fairhaven.
Artificially low mortgage rates is what has made this price point “affordable”. One they return to the norm, 200K houses will be out of reach for working class shmoes.
And there is no doubt that the PTB and Masters of the Universe know this. So the question is: what will they do? My guess: Keep rates low, consumer price inflation be damned.
“Once they return to the norm, 200K houses will be out of reach for working class shmoes.”
You need to adjust your thinking. More accurately and truthfully;
Once interest rates reture to the norm, the pool of buyers at $200k shrink dramatically.
That’s pretty much what I said: “200K houses will be out of reach for working class shmoes.”
No you didn’t.
Once interest rates reture to the norm, the pool of buyers at $200k shrink dramatically.
Now carry through with the logic.
From the Maine Biz article:
“The bank has developed a 10% down payment specialty loan called the Welcome Mortgage for those homebuyers. Unlike FHA loans, it requires no mortgage insurance, which can cost several hundred dollars monthly. Another bonus to the 10% loan is that expected rental income may be used as qualifying income. Still, he advises keeping a diverse portfolio — not putting all your money into real estate — to shield it from market fluctuations.”
Ladies and gentlemen–easy money is BACK!! There ain’t nothin’ stoppin’ us from Bubble 2.0!!!
‘While mortgage loan rates have risen in the past few weeks, they’re still historically low, prompting buyers to move off the sidelines in anticipation of appreciating home prices. Banks also are loosening their purse strings, and alternative types of financing are coming into play. The commercial market for multifamily buildings with five or more units — where loan qualifications are tougher — also is starting to turn around, Graham says.’
“Local banks have decided the market won’t keep falling, so they’ve gotten back into the game in the past year. Before that, [commercial] buyers couldn’t find financing.”
‘His sales now are about 60%-70% first-time buyers versus about 30% for commercial buyers, who are primarily investors and landlords who put 25% down.’
it requires no mortgage insurance, which can cost several hundred dollars monthly
Really? Eons ago we had an FHA loan, and IIRC, our PMI was about $50 a month.
PMI costs have gone through the roof in the last few years due to the number of defaults and insurers going out of business. When I was home shopping my realtor mentioned that PMI would be really nasty, so if I could do 20% down I was going to do that.
We decided to rent instead.
You saved yourself and your family from a life long nightmare of ever increasing debt and losses.
Good call Young Deezy, I had no idea PMI had gone up so much. HA also meant to add that your Realtor was sharp and honest for speaking to you about it.
http://thebasispoint.com/2013/02/04/briefing-higher-fha-mortgage-insurance-fees-for-longer-as-of-april-2013/
“So on that same 10% down scenario resulting in a $500,000 loan today, the monthly mortgage insurance will increase to $542 on April 1. And as of June 3, the mortgage insurance must be paid for 11 years. ”
$542 x 12mos x 11 years = $71,544 for PMI in this scenario. Wow, I hope buyers aren’t caught off guard by this at the closing table, a nasty surprise like that could be catastrophic.
How many suckers have you screwed over in your “career” pimping used houses Krusty?
“Multifamily homes are selling as soon as they hit Portland’s hot housing market. ‘Rates are still really low. I thought it was a smart idea to buy and looked for something that will pay for itself,’ says Amy Mullen, 25,
Oh so much is so wrong with this… where to begin?? Portland? Seriously?
And 25 years old….imagine that… sucker!!!!
When I moved into my first home (a fourplex), my $600 rent was converted into a $75 mortgage payment (since I had renters paying the rest). That’s how you get ahead - not going from $400 rent to $600 mortgage.
I guess she doesn’t realize she will now have to pay to fix the roof and mow the lawn in addition to her increased payment.
If people won’t do the most basic number crunching, no wait, that’s not even number crunching. If people won’t do 3rd grade math, they get what they have coming to them.
Hell…. that goes for SFR’s. Maintenance costs are grossly understated and misunderstood. 3%/yr at a very minimum.
It isn’t housing related, but I’m getting lots more debt offers in the mail recently. Student loans and credit card offers last week - I think it was one of the former and 3 of the latter. It isn’t up to peak level, but it is definitely increasing.
On the other hand, it is vacation season in Washington DC and the inner suburbs. The Metro is full of tourists and the grocery stores are way less crowded on Sunday evening.
What’s the difference between the economy and weather in Maine?
The weather is oppressive only 10 months of the year.
Folks in Boston rather stay in Vermont then trek out West?
Maybe it’s just me and the wife but if we lived in Mass. we couldn’t get out of Dodge (Boston) fast enough to stay in the rugged and beautiful American West. No place on earth where Sea, Mountains, Desert Canyons come together.
Most of the planet will pass on the arrid desert $hithole. Even the unfortunate natives pass on it.
Yes many places like Barstow are not the Garden of Eden but for the sake of argument,Mt Wahington NH maybe the worse place and weather on the planet?