August 9, 2013

There’s A Frenzy Going On

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Scott Mednick recently bought a fixer-upper home in Mission Viejo for $389,000. After investing $60,000 on renovations, he sold it for $545,000 — netting nearly $100,000. When prices and sales were slow, from 2007 to 2009, would-be investors were hesitant to jump into a market they didn’t understand, said Mednick, president of the Orange County Investors Club, an education and networking group for real estate investors. ‘Now I think there’s a frenzy that’s going on,’ he said.”

“The frenzy has brought new interest in home flippers as celebrities, after earlier TV reality shows featuring them went the way of the housing market. More and more beginning investors, he said, will jump into the market as prices continue to rise. ‘But there will be a point when it gets so hot that a lot of the big investors will be pulling back,’ Mednick said. For now, flipping is back on investors’ radar screen — and the TV screen, He said. ‘It never occurred to me that flipping a house is part of pop culture,’ He said. ‘That’s crazy to me.’”

“While Anthony Simmons was a linebacker for the Seattle Seahawks a decade ago, he also flipped houses in Las Vegas. He had no real estate expertise but became enmeshed in the frenzy of the go-go years, buying and selling 10 houses in five years. Then came the crash and the near destruction of Las Vegas’ economy. Now housing prices are soaring again, but Simmons is wary of the surge. ‘We’ve been there before, and it didn’t turn out too well,’ said Simmons.”

“(Land) prices in some neighborhoods have jumped from $175,000 an acre to $400,000 in recent months. ‘Anyone who thinks that isn’t a bubble, I don’t know what they’re looking at,’ Smith said.”

“An ongoing slump in the real estate market is accounted for by the unwillingness of landlords and developers to reduce prices, according to some brokers, while others see it as a sign that Lebanon has so far averted a bursting housing bubble. ‘It has been more than a year since Gulf investors and most expats exited the market,’ said John Eid, the owner of Locus Real Estate Consulting. ‘What makes things worse is that landlords rarely agree to reduce prices. They still want to make [extremely high] profits when there’s no demand for it. They can still get handsome earnings if they cut prices by 20 percent,’ he added.”

“Some 72 percent of residential projects in Beirut completed over the course of 2012 – amounting to 217 apartments with a market value of $400 million – were unsold as of June this year, according to a recent study by Ramco.”

“The spectre of a real estate bubble bursting in Switzerland is a prominent worry for the Swiss National Bank, which cannot easily resort to an interest rate hike to rein in lending because that would clash with its efforts to restrain the value of the Swiss franc. Instead, the Swiss government has imposed additional capital rules on mortgage lenders. ‘In the absence of a sustained cool-down, however, the risk of a price bubble is likely to increase again in the coming quarters,’ UBS economists Claudio Saputelli and Matthias Holzhey said in a statement. ‘This is because the market is at the peak of a price cycle that has lasted 15 years now, and overall is showing clear signs of overvaluation.’”

“In Norway, where property prices have doubled in about 10 years sending household debt to a record, the debate over whether the housing market is in the grip of a bubble is now splitting the nation as a rally in home prices has ebbed. Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg argues that instead of worrying about regulating mortgages, Norway needs to make sure citizens can get the credit they need to buy homes. ‘A lot of young people who are finishing university and getting well-paid jobs still have a problem getting a bank loan for a house,’ she said. ‘We think that’s too strict.’”

“Purchases of residential land in the Toronto area were down 51 per cent in the first six months of 2013, according to RealNet Canada, while sales of new high- and low-rise homes fell 34 per cent. Residential land sales were down 30 per cent and 52 per cent in Vancouver and Calgary, respectively. ‘This is definitely a major slowdown’ that will persist ‘for some time,’ Richard Vilner, RealNet’s research manager for GTA commercial real estate, told CBC News. ‘It’s not going to turn around in the third quarter. There’s not going to be a major correction back to the high-flying land acquisitions of 2011 or the first half of 2012 because there’s still a huge amount of inventory to sell off.’”

“A financial crisis triggered by falling coal prices is brewing in Shenmu County, in the northwestern province of Shaanxi. Construction projects have been halted, universal health care has run into payment problems and many private bankers have disappeared in the last few months, all indications that another story of legendary development is now just a bubble bursting. Speculation in coal mines became something of a fad. A mine worth 200,000 yuan in 2002 went for as much as 4 billion yuan last year, Yang said. Many buyers had no interest in production. Flipping mines was their game.”

“Shenmu’s property market has taken a rollercoaster ride along with the coal boom over the last six years. The average price per square meter for a flat was 3,000 yuan in 2007. By last year this had risen to 200,000 yuan. ‘Construction never stopped in Shenmu,’ said Zhang Zhongmin, a real estate agent. However, since April housing prices have dropped significantly and many apartments have been seized from bankrupt owners. The streets of Shenmu are now dotted with half-finished buildings because work was halted.”

“Wang Heping, a real estate developer behind many projects in Shenmu, died suddenly in a hotel in Ordos, in the northern region of Inner Mongolia, in June. His employees say he died owing them as much as 10 million yuan. In December, Zhang, known as the Gold King in Shenmu, disappeared with 4 billion yuan. Before the dust settled from Zhang’s disappearance, several other businessmen had fled. Soon, pawnshops were closing en masse. One pawnshop owner had loaned out 500 million yuan: 200 million yuan from his own pocket and 300 million from 10 others. The money went to his cousin, uncle and two other friends. All have disappeared.”

“He is careful not to panic the people who lent him money. He guards his words carefully, and drives his luxury car around town every day to signal that all is well. But of course it isn’t. The pawnshop owner has hired a 10-man team to head to Xi’an, the capital of Shaanxi, to collect the money owed him.”

“As first-time homebuyers, Harrison and Heather Tanksley played it safe. They scraped together a down payment. They insisted on a fixed interest rate. They chose a modestly priced townhouse at the western edge of Brighton, in a new neighborhood near the South Platte River. When an avalanche of foreclosures swept through Platte River Ranch, burying many of their neighbors, the Tanksleys kept making their mortgage payments, month after month, year after year.”

“Yet today, ‘we’re basically upside down after making 13 years of mortgage payments,’ Harrison Tanksley said. ‘I would just like to get the mortgage paid off. If I walk away net zero, I’m happy with that.’”

“Although the foreclosure crisis has eased in Colorado neighborhoods such as Platte River Ranch, the economic damage has not. Many houses in this neighborhood, including the Tanksleys’, are now valued by the county assessor at 20 percent to 30 percent below prices paid more than a decade ago. Michelle Desantiago purchased her house for $155,000. She filed for bankruptcy four years ago in an attempt to stave off foreclosure and keep her home but is on the verge of giving up. The assessor values her house at $127,239.”

“‘So in seven years I haven’t paid a dime on the house,’ she said. ‘I don’t know how else to say it: My spirit’s broken. Whatever happens happens.’”

“In 2002, when prices were climbing, Micheal and Nora Hess bought a two-story house for $181,900. When they moved to another house in Brighton a decade later, they learned how much they had lost. ‘The value went down almost in half,’ Micheal Hess said. ‘The thing that really hurt us, we weren’t able to sell the home.’”

“Treasury Secretary Gabriel Makhlouf has warned in a wide-ranging speech about the lessons from the Global Financial Crisis (GFC) that asset bubbles can be damaging for the wider economy and policymakers shouldn’t ignore them. Makhlouf was speaking as the Reserve Bank is putting the final touches on its new ’speed limit’ for high Loan to Value Ratio (LVR) mortgages and as Prime Minister John Key has ramped up comments about the risk of a asset bubble bursting in the Auckland housing market.”

“‘What the GFC did bring home to us was the damage that large booms and busts in asset prices such as housing can inflict on the financial system and the wider economy,’ Makhlouf told a luncheon in Auckland. ‘It raised questions about the ability of monetary policy alone to respond to the collapse of an asset bubble.’ Models used by central banks, Treasuries and other policy makers before the GFC had failed to take into account the dangers of such debt-fuelled bubbles blowing up and then bursting through the financial system and into the rest of the economy, he said.”

“Policymakers had thought financial markets were not crucial for economic cycles and that bubbles were hard to spot in advance or deflate easily, he said. ‘We know now that this thinking was flawed. Asset prices can grow much faster than can be justified by fundamentals, especially when the supply of credit and the appetite for taking on debt are rising sharply and investors are keen to maximise their returns by taking on more risk,’ he said. ‘When prices correct, the fallout on the financial system and the impact on the rest of the economy can be substantial, and can take many years to resolve.’”

“Makhlouf said in the speech the GFC should have taught economists to be humble about previous claims of the end of depressions and banking crises. ‘History does repeat itself and excessive growth in debt – whether by governments or households – is one sure sign of trouble ahead.’”




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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-08-09 06:03:40

<i“Yet today, ‘we’re basically upside down after making 13 years of mortgage payments,’

Why is the news when this is always the case when you borrow to pay for a house no matter how much or little you paid??? Those losses to financing are massive an irrecoverable.

Comment by Blue Skye
2013-08-09 06:31:22

That and it’s hard to sell what you don’t own.

But the debt was supposed to make them rich.

 
Comment by localandlord
2013-08-09 15:10:01

” Those losses to financing are massive an irrecoverable”

Let’s see — 100K loan over 15 yrs at 4.5% interest. Interest comes to less than 38K total. Less than HA paid for his SUV.

Lets say you have modest tastes and a small family. Interest on 60K comes to about 23K - about what you’d pay for your Corolla.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-08-09 16:26:08

How nice you should cherrypick a price 50%+ under current median.

Comment by localandlord
2013-08-10 05:11:46

The price is 22% below local median with 20% down. Most people don’t live in Westchester county NY. I chose 100K because it is a round number.

Even at the median local sales price and 80% loan the interest amounts to 48K. Still about what you paid for your SUV.

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Comment by 2banana
2013-08-09 06:12:45

Your spirit is BROKEN?

You should be dancing for JOY!

Seven years living in a house without making a single mortgage payment. (Even Goldman Sachs is jealous.)

Assume a $1500/month payment - that is a FREE $126,000 in the bank.

You did put that money aside? Right?

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“‘So in seven years I haven’t paid a dime on the house,’ she said. ‘I don’t know how else to say it: My spirit’s broken. Whatever happens happens.’”

Comment by 2banana
2013-08-09 06:13:55

And you could pay for new house in cash!

The assessor values her house at $127,239.”

Comment by samk
2013-08-09 06:44:35

First World Problems, amirite?

 
 
Comment by Middle Coaster
2013-08-09 08:13:37

For once, I am in complete agreement with you, Bananas!

Comment by United States of Moral Hazard
2013-08-09 12:24:08

Hard as it is to even imagine, Bananaboy actually makes a good point here and there. It is so terribly infrequent in between his partisan blathering that most times it goes unnoticed.

 
 
Comment by Arshes76
2013-08-10 21:35:18

I think this statement is a reference to her making all these mortgage payments yet having no equity in the home. I dont think she actually made NO mortgage payments.

 
Comment by Arshes76
2013-08-10 21:51:02

I think this comment is a reference to that fact that after paying the mortgage for so many years, she has no equity. I doubt that she hasnt paid the mortgage for 7 years.

 
 
Comment by jose canusi
2013-08-09 06:17:39

Debt peonage, it’s the global model!

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-08-09 06:30:41

‘One sign is the valley’s skyrocketing land prices, said Dennis Smith, president of Home Builders Research. Prices in some neighborhoods have jumped from $175,000 an acre to $400,000 in recent months.

Anyone who thinks that isn’t a bubble, I don’t know what they’re looking at,” Smith said.’

It’s called driving with your eyes closed. The economists at the Fed tend to be very good at this.

Comment by Carl Morris
2013-08-09 08:52:56

It’s called driving with your eyes closed. The economists at the Fed tend to be very good at this.

Use “the force”, Luke.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-08-09 06:32:21

“While Anthony Simmons was a linebacker for the Seattle Seahawks a decade ago, he also flipped houses in Las Vegas. He had no real estate expertise but became enmeshed in the frenzy of the go-go years, buying and selling 10 houses in five years. Then came the crash and the near destruction of Las Vegas’ economy. Now housing prices are soaring again, but Simmons is wary of the surge. ‘We’ve been there before, and it didn’t turn out too well,’ said Simmons.”

Take it from a former linebacker turned real estate investor:

IT’S ANOTHER REAL ESTATE BUBBLE, AND BUBBLES EVENTUALLY CRASH.

Comment by 2banana
2013-08-09 06:36:36

Buying and selling two houses a year really doesn’t live up to the “frenzy” level…

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-08-09 06:34:36

“The pawnshop owner has hired a 10-man team to head to Xi’an, the capital of Shaanxi, to collect the money owed him…”

Debt is a death sentence!

Comment by 2banana
2013-08-09 06:38:01

Talk about a “made for TV” reality show!

Death Pawnshops!

or

How Pawnshops were “flipping” coal mines. What a country!

Soon, pawnshops were closing en masse. One pawnshop owner had loaned out 500 million yuan: 200 million yuan from his own pocket and 300 million from 10 others. The money went to his cousin, uncle and two other friends. All have disappeared.”

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-08-09 06:35:50

“Makhlouf said in the speech the GFC should have taught economists to be humble about previous claims of the end of depressions and banking crises.”

Humility and central banking don’t mesh.

‘History does repeat itself and excessive growth in debt – whether by governments or households – is one sure sign of trouble ahead.’

This almost seems to suggest the Fed’s plan to load its balance sheet with trillions of MBS and Treasury bonds purchased with QE3 dollars may not pan out, as the flip side of the purchases was a large growth in government debt. Or am I missing Makhlouf’s point?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-08-09 08:09:56

Perhaps the goal is for the Fed to take the other side of the loan from U.S. households who borrow to buy homes. If the mortgage doesn’t ever get repaid, nobody is harmed, as the Fed’s balance sheet protects private individuals from losing any money.

If this works for housing, perhaps the Fed could consider expanding its balance sheet to buy credit card debt, student loan debt, car loan debt, or many any number of other categories of debt which some times don’t get repaid.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-08-09 08:11:24

I almost forgot: If the Fed can ‘afford’ to buy $40 bn a month in MBS, why not make a 1-time $18.5 bn ‘purchase’ of Detroit’s municipal debt? How do they decide where to allocate their stimulus dollars?

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-08-09 08:18:28

‘Humility and central banking don’t mesh’

Where does this come from though? Who else in the financial world gets an automatic hushed reverence from the media? Greenspan made huge mistakes, and no one in congress ever raked him over the coals for it. Bernanke is an even bigger goof.

You even see it from posters on this blog. The Fed can do anything they want, they’re invincible, unstoppable, all knowing. Rubbish. Get up off your knees people and observe who is oppressing you.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2013-08-09 08:57:49

You even see it from posters on this blog. The Fed can do anything they want, they’re invincible, unstoppable, all knowing. Rubbish. Get up off your knees people and observe who is oppressing you.

I don’t believe they are all-knowing. But short of bullets or guillotines how do you stop people who can buy whole countries and armies with a printing press that derives its value from work already done?

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-08-09 09:06:22

‘can buy whole countries and armies with a printing press’

This is the imagined versus the reality. We are told they print at will what we get up and work for every day. I suppose this is how we get this slave mentality about bankers. But how many armies have they bought? Couldn’t any general turn his guns around and put these pencil necks in prison at any time? Their power, whatever it is, is stolen from the people. As such, it can be reclaimed anytime the people demand its return. And I think they know it too.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-08-09 09:14:35

OK, I agree. But at what point will that general be willing to give up his place in the existing system to do that? I’ve been in the same tent as that guy and it’s highly unlikely to be anytime soon. He’s spent a lifetime of hard work AND butt-kissing to get there…I have no faith in him, they own him and they know it, even if it’s only in his head. Only the peasants with nothing to lose will resist. Everyone else will wait and see…

 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-08-09 09:30:05

Only the peasants with nothing to lose will resist.

Exactly, anyone else who believes they have something to lose will not rock the boat.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-08-09 09:49:58

When you have the weight of massive debt burden your entire working career sitting on your shoulders, you have nothing to lose.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-08-09 10:05:02

There comes a time when choices are no longer win/lose.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by snake charmer
2013-08-09 07:07:01

“‘It never occurred to me that flipping a house is part of pop culture,’ He said. ‘That’s crazy to me.’”
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What’s happening is the equivalent of disco never going away. In the culture of other eras, speculation was viewed with disfavor. Perhaps that kind of thinking will return. I’m not holding my breath.

Comment by 2banana
2013-08-09 07:45:35

In the culture of other eras…

Sitting on your arse while collecting free stuff from others was viewed with disfavor

Not paying what you promised to pay was viewed with disfavor

Making poor choices and expecting someone else to bail you out was viewed with disfavor

Not being able to take of your children/family was viewed with disfavor

Living with debt was viewed with disfavor

Living beyond your means was viewed with disfavor

etc.

And yes - I am talking main street and wall street

Comment by Blue Skye
2013-08-09 10:06:14

Times like that follow times like these.

 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-08-09 07:50:03

“Yet today, ‘we’re basically upside down after making 13 years of mortgage payments,’ Harrison Tanksley said. ‘I would just like to get the mortgage paid off. If I walk away net zero, I’m happy with that.’”

This just goes to show how localized and targeted the bubble is. Brighton is about 18 miles east of Broomfield, both are on the northern corners of the Denver metro area. Houses in Broomfield are appreciating and sell within days, usually with multiple offers. Meanwhile, Brighton languishes in foreclosure hell, with prices one would associate with flyover cities like Topeka.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-08-09 07:57:05

Which simply means the losses associated with buying a depreciating house located in Bloomfield are much greater.

Comment by In Colorado
2013-08-09 08:52:12

There is a key difference between Brighton and Broomfield. There are “quality” jobs in Broomfield. Lots of tech companies set up shop here and in nearby communities. Brighton on the other hand, does not. Will the bubble pop in Broomfield? It will, of that there is no doubt.

What is interesting though is that the last time the bubble popped, it popped a lot harder in Brighton than in Broomfield. Unlike in Brighton, where prices fell by 50%, IIRC, they only dropped about 10-15% in Broomfield.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-08-09 09:06:15

Unlike in Brighton, where prices fell by 50%, IIRC, they only dropped about 10-15% in Broomfield.

Which means prices have even further to fall.

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Comment by In Colorado
2013-08-09 09:34:45

The potential is definitely there. Time will tell just how far it will drop. Being that it didn’t really crash that hard in the “select” nabes with high income earners I hesitate to make predictions.

The lack of severe popping last time is what emboldens my coworkers. Talk about crashes and they laugh, saying that it really wasn’t all that bad last time and that it’s over. They really believe this.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-08-09 09:39:15

I can imagine, I used to live over there. I miss a few features of my house (such as a garage and a nice kitchen), but other than that I’m just as happy in a Boulder trailer park paying $300/mo in lot rent.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-08-09 09:42:32

“They really believe this.”

And so do you.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-08-09 12:13:41

I see that being omniscient is yet another one of your many talents.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-08-09 16:22:29

I see you’re running from yourself again.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-08-09 08:10:17

“And always remember……. Depreciating assets like a house always represents a loss. The losses are magnified tremendously when then asset is financed.”

Exactly.

 
Comment by aqius
2013-08-09 08:25:00

here in the northern sacramento area the real estate balloon has popped. there are houses sprouting up for sale like mushrooms as owners are trying to cash out at the top.

my semi-new neighbors up the street have been in their (corporate owned) house less than a year & just received a 60-day notice to vacate.

sure, 60 days is better than 30, but still . . .

they told me the company/owner, who just purchased the house last year & remodeled it, decided to sell. ASAP!

needless to say, they are very upset, and I can’t blame them as the “landlord” never mentioned it would be a short term lease. (a year or less).
they have 3 school age kids & are scrambling to find another area rental but have had little success.

also mentioned was the attitude shift from the previously communicative prop manager, with current emails going unanswered. gee, wonder why?!

a fair estimate is their rental house appreciated about 50-70k in one year, from 149k selling to current comps at 225k. that’s quite an increase for just 1 year.

however, the owner(s) better get moving because anything now over the 200k asking price tends to sit, whereas the previous was around 247k. give or take a few thousand.

” M-O-O-N ” spells list it NOW, flippers.

P.S. hey there Polly, my emu wandered off recently but a pair of mallards have taken refuge in my pool. that’s in addition to the bluejays, squirrels, blackbirds, feral cats, & surrounding dogs. I tell the missus we pretty much have our own wildlife sanctuary. heh heh!

P.P.S. hello to “Palmetto”, if yer still above ground.

Comment by Carl Morris
2013-08-09 08:59:26

” M-O-O-N ” spells list it NOW, flippers.

Nice reference :-).

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2013-08-09 09:37:56

Jingle Male isn’t going to be happy about these developments. His stomping grounds are around Sacto.

Comment by Blue Skye
2013-08-09 10:12:10

If he wasn’t a total liar.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-08-09 10:38:23

It must be assumed that any claim associated with a “housing recovery” is a lie given all the corruption by NAR, NAHB, Gov and the media over the past 15 years.

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Comment by Jingle Male
2013-08-10 06:14:40

I am very happy.

I just had a resident give 30-days notice (for 9-1-2013) on a house I bought in 2010. Rent was $2149. Within 2 weeks it rented for $2249 starting 9-1-2013. Cash flow after PITI is now $406/mon or $4872/year on a $71,000 down payment. About 7%.

My average vacancy in the last five years has been less than 2/10th’s of 1%. Yes folks, that is about 2-3 days vacancy every 3-4 years.

And I certainly don’t cry about the fact that I paid $285,000 for the house in 2010 which would sell for $375,000 or more in less than a week today, if I wanted to sell. After 8% selling costs I would net $60,000. That is an 85% return on my money in 3.5 years. 20% plus ROI, plus cash flow.

Housing Analyst will tell you I can not find a buyer for 1/2 the amount I have in it, but last month I gave you the address and figures showing I can and did, clearing over $100,000 on a similar deal.

Yes, I am so happy I dropped $1,000 into Ben’s PayPal account. He should be happy too!

 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-08-09 10:38:21

“they have 3 school age kids & are scrambling to find another area rental but have had little success.”

But aren’t there homes available everywhere? How come they can’t find a rental?

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-08-09 10:45:44

Hey Liar… Still pimping housing lies everywhere on the net I see.

Comment by Rental Watch
2013-08-09 10:53:20

Either:

a) there are massive numbers of homes available in CA for people to live in (your view); or

b) there is a structural supply shortage (my view).

How do you reconcile third parties making comments like the above (having a hard time finding a rental) with your view of California?

I don’t need to reconcile my view with these statements…it’s exactly what I would expect to see.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-08-09 10:57:53

With millions of excess, empty and defaulted houses in California, there is no shortage of housing.

 
Comment by AmazingRuss
2013-08-09 17:10:50

Bad credit and high expectations, coupled with a couple of dogs could explain their difficulty.

 
 
 
 
Comment by jose canusi
2013-08-09 12:10:53

aquis, Palmetto here and a big hello to ya! I’m posting under the above moniker until the shamnasty legislation dies an ugly death.

Still alive and kickin’.

 
Comment by Bluto
2013-08-09 14:54:24

interesting and hopefully a sign of things to come! Sorry to hear your neighbors are having a hard time but am also in northern Calif. and would be very happy if bubble 2.0 popped here and the specuvestors decided to unload their properties, between them and the flippers both offering 100% cash it was dang near impossible to buy a 3/2 priced right when I was looking in 2011 and 2012. (I gave up a year ago)

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-08-09 23:08:37

“here in the northern sacramento area the real estate balloon has popped. there are houses sprouting up for sale like mushrooms as owners are trying to cash out at the top.”

Is it safe to assume that Palladin has cashed out of his mini-Trump empire at this point, or is he exposed to the next downdraft?

 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-08-09 11:04:37

“Just for the record; there is no shortage of housing. Not in California, not in Tokyo, not anywhere. And there will come a day (again) when the media will tell us, ‘there’s a glut of houses for sale in….’, and regale us with sob stories, ‘I was doing great until the economy went south and my income went away and I can’t get rid of this damned house!’”

~Ben Jones, August 8, 2013

 
Comment by United States of Moral Hazard
2013-08-09 12:19:51

The problem is debt, and the world is drowning in it.

Comment by Blue Skye
2013-08-09 14:18:09

Don’t worry, doses of “you’re not getting paid back” are being passed around.

 
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine, CA
2013-08-10 07:36:22

…which is why you must not take out any loan and buy real assets with cash. Real estate is a poor choice because of equal housing opportunities, section 8, fair housing, CRA(p)…

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2013-08-09 13:48:03

“Scott Mednick recently bought a fixer-upper home in Mission Viejo for $389,000. After investing $60,000 on renovations, he sold it for $545,000 — netting nearly $100,000. ”

No, it’s GROSSING nearly $100,000. Can’t the LA Times write better than this?

They ignore the cost of money, Realtor fees, etc. that come out of the gross to give the net increase.

Comment by In Colorado
2013-08-09 15:30:17

That’s right. Some perky boobed realtors are splitting the $30K+ commission.

Why study STEM when you can make easy money?

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-08-09 23:04:39

“Wang Heping, a real estate developer behind many projects in Shenmu, died suddenly in a hotel in Ordos, in the northern region of Inner Mongolia, in June. His employees say he died owing them as much as 10 million yuan. In December, Zhang, known as the Gold King in Shenmu, disappeared with 4 billion yuan. Before the dust settled from Zhang’s disappearance, several other businessmen had fled. Soon, pawnshops were closing en masse. One pawnshop owner had loaned out 500 million yuan: 200 million yuan from his own pocket and 300 million from 10 others. The money went to his cousin, uncle and two other friends. All have disappeared.”

O–M–G!

 
Comment by Bill, just South of Irvine, CA
2013-08-10 07:32:49

Meanwhile during the house flipping g frenzy on the way to another wave of unafforability, the gold bullion buyers in the Irvine area continue to stack bullion while renting is cheap.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-08-10 11:09:36

A mine worth 200,000 yuan in 2002 went for as much as 4 billion yuan last year, Yang said. Many buyers had no interest in production. Flipping mines was their game.”

OMG, that’s _amazing_!!

Ben, GREAT find. This one is a keeper.

Can you imagine something as mundane (in terms of measurable utility) as a coal mine becomes an object for flipping?? Insane.

A 20,000x gain is mind-blowing.

Wow. Just, wow.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2013-08-10 11:15:02

‘The thing that really hurt us, we weren’t able to sell the home’ at the price that we wanted to receive.

FTFY.

Everything sells at some price. I’ll open bidding at $1.

 
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