September 24, 2013

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Comment by 2banana
2013-09-24 04:32:59

“Lyons is surrounded by protected open space, so there will be no place for the poor people to go….”

Bigger and bigger government - helping poor people one community at a time.

There are not making land anymore…especially when it is all “protected” from the unwashed masses.

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Colorado flood towns may come back less diverse
AP | 9/24/2013 | HANNAH DREIER

Carmel Ross, 66, an artist and caretaker for the elderly, thought about the town’s future amid the splintered trailers that now surround the mobile home she rents for $430 a month.

“Who rebuilds a trailer park?” she asked, laughing through tears. “Lyons is going to become a different story now. It’s a loss of a way of life. The things could always be bought again, but there will no longer by any low-income housing in this town.”

Former mayor Tim Combs said the new Lyons might look more like Aspen, a tony, celebrity refuge that began as a working class hamlet.

“It’s going to upgrade the town. We’re going to see nicer houses replace a house that wasn’t so nice,” he said. “Lyons is surrounded by protected open space, so there will be no place for the poor people to go….”

Lyons residents were told at a town meeting Thursday that it might take officials six months to restore drinking water and working sewage…

Residents of the even more remote community of Jamestown have been told it could be a year before they can return.

“Nobody wants to see those McMansions built that people live in only three weeks of the year,” he said. “But it’s the way this country works — the poor people are always getting pushed out, with or without a flood.”

Comment by goon squad
2013-09-24 06:24:35

have you ever been to lyons? or jamestown? or boulder? or longmont? or estes park? probably not. i have friends who live in these towns and they’re more concerned with digging out from under feet of mud and debris and putting their lives back together than listening to the opinions of jacka$$es like you.

send in the ‘bigger and bigger government’ to get routes 34 and 36 reopened. the bigger the better.

Comment by 2banana
2013-09-24 06:49:13

You are correct.

Because we never had roads in America before:

Government borrowed 49 cents of every dollar it spends
Government taxes middle class Americans at approx 50% net
Government racked up more debt in the last 5 years than in the previous 232 years COMBINED and accounting for inflation
Government spends 55%+ on mandated entitlements
Etc.

Without all this bigger and bigger government - we would not have the pristine roads we have today in America. In fact - we would turn into Somalia.

Hey - you didn’t build that.

Comment by AmazingRuss
2013-09-24 07:00:11

Which are you, a false flag liberal troll trying to completely discredit conservatism, or a garden variety teabilly lackwit?

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 07:50:30

“lackwit?”

Evidently.

 
Comment by United States of Moral Hazard
2013-09-24 10:16:09

“Blithering ignoramus” works.

 
Comment by Suite Joey Blue Eyes
2013-09-24 10:39:59

2B is a garden variety teabilly, the type that make young people who might otherwise identify as Republicans go running the other way.

It’s a really, really sad state of affairs. I hate what the GOP has become, I doubt I will ever identify as one again. Even though the demographics are against them, big parts of the country are still going to be pretty insular and white for a few more decades, so the incentive for the GOP to modernize and compete isn’t really there. They’ve already lost entire sections of the country and show no interest in fighting back with legitimate ideas. The way Congressional lines are drawn, the GOP could hold the House about half the time even if the nationwide house vote is something like 53% D - 47% R. GOP votes tend to be sprawled out and D votes are concentrated in urban and close-in suburbs.

Old people are also living longer these days, which buys the GOP time with social conservatives who also LOVE their government benefits. So the GOP doesn’t give 2 fu*ks about sensibly conservative young people. Only hardcore social cons, 2nd Amendment absolutists, and WT teabillies.

 
Comment by United States of Moral Hazard
2013-09-24 10:54:56

The GOP base is dying off every day.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-09-24 11:17:29

I suppose he expects that US34, which was almost completely destroyed in the canyon, and US36 will somehow magically rebuild themselves. Or that everyone will maybe pitch in with shovels and it will be rebuilt with donations and volunteer work.

The way Congressional lines are drawn, the GOP could hold the House about half the time even if the nationwide house vote is something like 53% D - 47% R. GOP votes tend to be sprawled out and D votes are concentrated in urban and close-in suburbs.

Soon not even the gerrymandering will help the GOP.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 11:36:29

What does the GOP have against winning elections?

‘Tis a puzzlement.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-09-24 11:52:36

‘Soon not even the gerrymandering will help the GOP’

Having grow up in a one party state, I can tell you it isn’t good for the people. I don’t like the two party system, and the way it is codified in the system when the constitution says nothing about it. I have voted for candidates in both parties. I remember when there were people who identified themselves as conservatives or liberals in both parties. I liked the system when we could count on one side to stand up to the other. Good government comes from opposition within government. Nobody has a monopoly on how things should be done.

IMO, many posters here buy into the wrong approach toward parties and government. Instead of seeing it as a football game, red versus blue, how about demanding we get results? Let me ask you, who stands for the working people? Is it the same politicians that gave us NAFTA? There is no opposition when it comes to globalism, which is possibly the biggest economic problem we have. Wouldn’t it be better if there was a voice on the side of every issue?

My first awareness of this was in my teens. I read that some wall street CEO had contributed huge amounts to both presidential candidates. I thought, ‘why the heck would he do that?’ As I grew up, it became obvious.

I am not that worried about the red/blue game. I am encouraged by stuff like the recent de-criminalization of marijuana by the Feds. This after some states had already done it. The people took the power and changed their lives. The Feds could only sit and watch, and eventually cave in.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-09-24 12:15:28

….who stands for the working people? Is it the same politicians that gave us NAFTA? There is no opposition when it comes to globalism,

FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 575

H R 3450 RECORDED VOTE 17-Nov-1993 10:36PM QUESTION: On Passage
BILL TITLE: NORTH AMERICAN FREE TRADE AGREEMENT IMPLEMENTATION ACT

Ayes Noes
Democratic 102 156
Republican 132 43
Independent 1
TOTALS 234 200

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1993/roll575.xml

 
Comment by jose canusi
2013-09-24 12:19:53

In 2ban’s defense, I can understand why people may not agree with many of his posts, but I have observed that he refrains from flaming and name-calling of other posters. If he’s gotten personal with someone, I’ve never seen it.

 
Comment by jose canusi
2013-09-24 12:22:44

“I am encouraged by stuff like the recent de-criminalization of marijuana by the Feds. This after some states had already done it. The people took the power and changed their lives. The Feds could only sit and watch, and eventually cave in.”

I suppose it’s a matter of picking one’s fights, the same tactic didn’t work so well in AZ on the illegal immigration issue.

 
Comment by jose canusi
2013-09-24 12:34:53

“a false flag liberal troll trying to completely discredit conservatism, or a garden variety teabilly lackwit?”

“lackwit?”

Evidently.”

“Blithering ignoramus” works.”

“2B is a garden variety teabilly,”

I don’t see the same sort of stuff from him aimed at any of you.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-09-24 12:35:32

‘Ayes Noes’

See, all Rio is interested in is the red/blue game. Who won? Multinational corporations. Who lost? The working people. And couldn’t the president have vetoed it? Here’s a side issue; trade treaties used to come up for renewal every 5 years or so. Isn’t it interesting that NAFTA doesn’t have to be re-voted on? Or the WTO?

‘the same tactic didn’t work so well in AZ on the illegal immigration issue’

Notice that it was the Republicans that killed the amnesty bill. And if there was a one party system in DC, we’d be bombing the crap out of Syria right now, even though the people were strongly against it.

‘2B is a garden variety teabilly’

Yeah, this is the same guy who tells us all he wouldn’t want to live around minorities, but gets up on his moral high-horse every day.

 
Comment by jose canusi
2013-09-24 12:44:30

“Notice that it was the Republicans that killed the amnesty bill”

I was referring to the fact that the Feds decided to sue AZ for trying to enforce immigration law on their own. They’re not caving in on that one. I suppose of more states got behind enforcing the laws, it would be different.

At this point I’m not much interested in pub vs. dem. In fact I’m just bone weary of the whole thing. Just got a spam robo call from Newt Gingrich, so I’ve gotta go have a talk with Ralph and Buey on the great white telephone.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-09-24 12:55:06

See, all Rio is interested in is the red/blue game. Who won? Multinational corporations. Who lost? The working people.

It’s not “all I’m interested in”. That is a false statement.

But, in the red and blue game, the Dem’s are more on the side of the working people/middle class and uninsured than the Repubs. This is not a theory. It’s a Congressional vote-count mathematical fact.

Look at the vote count by party on NAFTA and Obamacare for example. Way more Dems opposed NAFTA than Repubs.

57 million more Americans will at least have access to basic health insurance now because of the “red and blue game”. This is no “game” to the uninsured denied coverage for pre-existing conditions.

The Repubs kept taxbreaks for offshoring jobs by playing the red and blue game. But this is no game to the Americans who lost their jobs to offshoring.

Right now the red and blue game is the only game in town and that game has serious consequences.

And the Red team are led by whackjob nuts right now that don’t give a damn about the average American. That is not a game either.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-09-24 12:59:27

‘Right now the red and blue game is the only game in town’

Well keep shaking those pom poms. Although it does keep you from seeing what is really going on.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-09-24 13:17:02

I suppose he expects that US34, which was almost completely destroyed in the canyon, and US36 will somehow magically rebuild themselves. Or that everyone will maybe pitch in with shovels and it will be rebuilt with donations and volunteer work.

Galt types can do OK until the money runs out. And it doesn’t bother them to be alone, in fact they kind of prefer it.

http://www.dailycamera.com/news/ci_24160387/pinewood-springs-residents-thrive-they-survive-flooded-isolation

 
Comment by Suite Joey Blue Eyes
2013-09-24 13:22:51

2Ban never thoughtfully responds to anything. I think he/she might actually be some guy who just cuts/pastes and calls it a day. You have to be able to think things through in order to get into a discussion. He just runs away. Like yesterday when people pointed out that Mitt Romney dominated in the counties that have the most food stamp recipients. Or that the military and gov’t contractors recieve far, far more “gov’t cheese” than random welfare recipients. Or that old people (almost all receiving government benefits, far more than they paid in, btw) are the **only** age demographic that McCain and Romney won.

2Ban runs away. How is it name calling to call him out on this? A lot of us are former Republicans disgusted with the party. And tired of his cheer-leading and unthinking support for the GOP. As an independent, I hate the 2 party system bc it basically prevents me from having a say in the primaries in my state. And I hate the 2 parties for the idiotic way they run presidential primaries and prevent alternate candidates from debating the 2 party nominees.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-09-24 14:21:23

Galt types can do OK until the money runs out. And it doesn’t bother them to be alone, in fact they kind of prefer it.

I was thinking of the rugged individualists in Estes Park who rely on tourism to run their businesses, who are dependent on US34 and US36.

 
Comment by Strawberrypicker
2013-09-24 19:07:00

This old lie again for a second day about Romney counties having more food stamps? It is not true. Keep peddling the lie because you are afraid of the truth.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-09-24 19:11:52

‘57 million more Americans will at least have access to basic health insurance’

Funny that everybody that can get out of Obama care is doing so, including congress and their staff.

 
Comment by Strawberrypicker
2013-09-24 19:13:20

The counties with the top number of food stamp recipients are the counties with the most people. Here are the top 20:

LA, CA –Obama, population: 9.9 million
Cook County, Ill – Obama, population: 5.2 million
Harris, TX – Obama, population: 4.2 million
Maricopa, AZ – Romney, population: 3.9 million
San Diego, CA – Obama, population: 3.1 million
Orange County, CA – Romney, population: 3.1 million
Miami-Dade, FLA – Obama, population: 2.5 million
King County, NY – Obama, population: 2.5 million
Dallas, TX – Obama, population: 2.4 million
Queens County, NY – Obama, population: 2.2 million

These amount to 39 million people. 80% of those top 10 counties went for Obama. 2 counties with 7 million for Romney. 8 Counties with 32 million for Obama.

Here is the next 10:

Riverside, CA, Population: 2.2 million- Romney
San Bernardino, CA , Population: 2.1 million - Obama
Clark County, NV, Population: 1.9 million - Obama
King County, Wash, Population: 1.9 million- Obama
Tarrant County, TX, Population: 1.8 million- Romney
Santa Clara, CA, Population: 1.8 million - Obama
Wayne County, Mich, Population: 1.8 million - Obama
Broward County, Fla, Population: 1.8 million -Obama
Bexar County, TX, Population: 1.7 million - Obama
NY County, NY, Population: 1.6 million -Obama

18.6 million total. 4 million for Romney, 14.6 million for Obama

The article you guys keep quoting uses a county with 4722 people total in it as an example of a place that went for Romney.

I didn’t vote for the guy, but I can’t stand this hackers lie.

 
Comment by Red Pelican
2013-09-24 22:30:13

We also need housing insurance, with the price of houses rising so fast due to greed!

Everyone needs housing, period. We need to provide for them instead of leaving them out in the cold. The best way I think is to write a law that enforces that everyone buy a house, otherwise they will be fined a reasonable percentage of their income each year, enough to make them reconsider what they are doing. The profits from this will be used to house everyone.

If we don’t do this, then how can we say that everyone is pitching in their fair share towards building this great American Dream of ours?

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-09-25 06:32:06

Funny that everybody that can get out of Obama care is doing so, including congress and their staff.

Congress and an Exemption from ‘Obamacare’?

Posted on May 3, 2013 | Updated on Aug. 7, 2013

Q: Is it true that there are bills in Congress that would exempt members and their staffs and families from buying into “Obamacare”?

A: No. Congress members and staffers will be required to buy insurance through the exchanges on Jan. 1.

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/05/congress-and-an-exemption-from-obamacare/

 
 
 
Comment by the golden boy
2013-09-24 08:09:43

i have friends who live in these towns and they’re more concerned with digging out from under feet of mud and debris and putting their

I would never be friends with people who allow their homes to be flooded with mud and debris.

Comment by tresho
2013-09-24 08:44:00

I would never be friends with people who allow their homes to be flooded with mud and debris.
I take that to mean you’re OK with people who allow sewage backups, then.

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Comment by United States of Moral Hazard
2013-09-24 10:19:50

“I would never be friends with people who allow their homes to be flooded with mud and debris.”

They probably don’t even have granite and stainless in those, ahem, things. Ewww.

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Comment by In Colorado
2013-09-24 08:53:02

Colorado flood towns may come back less diverse

I don’t see how that is possible. Some of those towns are already 100% white.

>>Former mayor Tim Combs said the new Lyons might look more like Aspen, a tony, celebrity refuge that began as a working class hamlet.<<

LOL! Talk about wishful thinking! Lyons is just a podunky town up the road from Longmont, on the way to Estes Park. It is an unremarkable place. For one thing, there are no ski slopes nearby. Another Aspen? Suuuure!

They’ll rebuild the trailer parks. You’ll see.

Comment by Carl Morris
2013-09-24 08:58:50

They’ll rebuild the trailer parks. You’ll see.

It’ll be interesting to watch. I don’t know why they would rebuild them unless forced to or unless they can make more money that way than with any other use of the land. And I would think that things might be gentrified enough around the Front Range now to make more money with it some other way.

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Comment by In Colorado
2013-09-24 11:09:46

And I would think that things might be gentrified enough around the Front Range now to make more money with it some other way.

That assumes that there are monied people who will overpay to live in boring Lyons, which now has a reputation for flooding. Lyons isn’t Ft. Collins or Boulder. There’s a reason why there were so many trailers there to begin with.

As for the trailer parks, they just have to bulldoze the debris away, clean it up a bit and they’re good to go.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-09-24 13:23:11

That assumes that there are monied people who will overpay to live in boring Lyons, which now has a reputation for flooding. Lyons isn’t Ft. Collins or Boulder. There’s a reason why there were so many trailers there to begin with.

Yeah, but it’s possible that the trailers were what was keeping the monied people out, don’t you think? With them wiped clear there might be enough monied people to be interested, I would think. Some people think a location like that is better than Ft. Collins or Boulder.

As for the trailer parks, they just have to bulldoze the debris away, clean it up a bit and they’re good to go.

True…but are people going to buy new trailers and bring them in there? Are people going to go to the expense to bring nearly worthless used trailers there? I think what gives a trailer park its life in today’s economy is inertia, it’s what’s already there. Now there’s nothing there but the underground infrastructure and I question whether that’s enough.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-09-24 14:25:51

Without ski slopes it won’t become another Aspen or a Vail. Otherwise its relative remoteness appeals primarily to the kind of people who already live there. A hick town without ski slopes is just that.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-09-24 15:32:26

Except it’s commutable to “where the jobs are”.

 
 
Comment by United States of Moral Hazard
2013-09-24 10:21:59

The vibe in all of those tony places is absolutely awful. The people are revolting.

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Comment by Suite Joey Blue Eyes
2013-09-24 13:35:25

^^ I think this is one thing everyone on HBB would agree with.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2013-09-24 04:35:03

The people getting screwed are those who already have insurance.

They will be forced into Obamacare.

Maybe that was the plan all along.

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Affordable Care Act Makes Insurance Unaffordable
Political Realities | 09/24/13 | LD Jackson

Affordable Care ActRemember how we were told by President Obama that the Affordable Care Act would make health insurance more affordable for millions of Americans? Remember how he has slammed the efforts by Senators Ted Cruz and Mike Lee to defund the legislation most people call Obamacare? One of his favorite lines is to point out, falsely, that the GOP is wanting to prevent millions of Americans from obtaining health care insurance, just to mess with him. It may be news to the President, but our opposition of the Affordable Care Act has nothing to do with him, other than that we are trying to expose the lies that he, and others, have told about the legislation.

A prime example would be the case of Andy and Amy Mangione of Louisville, KY and their two boys. They recently received a notice in the mail from their health care insurance provider, Humana. The notice carried some very surprising and unwelcome news. They currently pay $333 per month for their high-deductible insurance plan. Starting in 2014, the cost of that plan will be $965. In case you are counting, that’s an almost triple increase of the original cost of the plan. According to the notice from Humana, the increase is the direct result of the Affordable Care Act, aka ACA.

Comment by Steve W
2013-09-24 06:49:34

Heck, I’d love to pay 965 a month for my high-deductible family plan. Due to my uncanny ability to hire people with cancer and diabetes, my family plan costs 22K per year. We shop it around every year, every few years switching companies. Will have to switch next year again.

Still don’t know if the exchanges will save us money, in Illinois only a few insurance companies signed up to offer it (3 from last I heard). Not sure how it would work for small businesses like ours as well, I suppose we could give everybody a subsidy and say good luck, find your own insurance, but I’m too bleeding heart to do that.

Comment by Strawberrypicker
2013-09-24 06:54:53

Will your 22k triple? Please report back how much it goes up.

 
Comment by the golden boy
2013-09-24 08:06:56

I suppose we could give everybody a subsidy and say good luck, find your own insurance, but I’m too bleeding heart to do that.

Miuch respect for that. It’s very sad that the mom and pops are always getting their asses kicked either by the government or by the coporations and now it appears by both. American exceptionalism, you have to live in to believe it.

 
Comment by CarrieAnne
2013-09-24 09:31:28

10 years ago we were paying $1500/mo for a family of 4 although it was not high deductible. Then again maybe we should define high. I can only imagine what that plan would be going for now. Thank goodness my husband went from contract to hired. We still put out a decent chunk of change and have to cough up a $200 co pay for ER (thanks to illegal aliens and other people who frequent the ER rather than do preventative care). 10 years ago that ER co pay was $50. Actually I think it was still at $50 five years ago.

 
 
Comment by MightyMike
2013-09-24 07:58:48

…that the GOP is wanting to prevent millions of Americans…

The other day there was a discussion of the way that people abuse the English language. I have always found this one to be annoying. Why do people say and write, “the GOP is wanting”, instead of just “the GOP wants” ?

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-09-24 08:11:12

Why do people say and write, “the GOP is wanting”

Because the GOP is wanting?

And is more wanting now than ever.

 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2013-09-24 04:41:00

When you are still a closed shop state (ie - you must join the public union as a condition of employment)
With the State House and Senate controlled by public unions
Without cutting one public union insane salary/benefit or pension

Property taxes are not going to stop exploding

Property taxes on a crack shack house in South Jersey can be easily over $10,000/year. $15,000-$20,000/year in North Jersey. 7% sales tax. State income tax. Very high car insurance rates.

At what point between 0% and 100% taxation do you become a slave?

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NJ Property Tax Burden Soars … Under Chris Christie
09/23/2013 | AP

The net household property tax burden in New Jersey rose 13 percent during Gov. Chris Christie’s first three years in office — a number that reflects both his success in reining in local government spending and his inability to restore a relief program that was gutted by his predecessor during the Great Recession, an Associated Press analysis of tax data has found.

The growth is only slightly lower than it was in the last three years of Democrat Jon Corzine’s time as governor, when the net tax bill went up 15 percent.

But it reflects a different approach: Christie, a Republican, has gone further to force local governments to keep costs down — and give them help doing it. Corzine also tried to control local government costs but did much of his work on trying to control taxes by expanding a rebate program, which he then cut.

Comment by Taxpayers
2013-09-24 07:23:55

some folks fear alkada- ps unions are the thing that will kill us

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2013-09-24 04:44:37

Why do so many Americans live in mobile homes?
BBC News | 24th September 2013 | Tom Geoghegan

‘An estimated 20 million Americans live in mobile homes, according to new Census figures. How did this become the cheap housing of choice for so many people?.’

Not everyone who lives in a trailer park is poor,” says Charles Becker, a professor of economics at Duke University, and one of a handful of academics nationwide who has extensively studied the subject.

“And there are parts of the country, like Michigan, where living in a mobile home community doesn’t have the stigma it does in the south. You also have retirement communities in Florida where people aren’t poor at all.”

Comment by Blue Skye
2013-09-24 06:28:39

One must choose their stigmas carefully. There’s the stigma of modesty and there’s the stigma of debt.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-09-24 08:13:13

Why do so many Americans live in mobile homes?

I can’t speak for other people, but for me it’s the only class of housing that’s not being gamed right now (and for all I know brand new ones might be, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a brand new one). Poor people are in expensive section 8, the working class are in overpriced rentals, the middle class are in overpriced subdivisions, and the rich bought long ago when everything was relatively cheap even when adjusted for inflation.

Trailers are for people who can’t or won’t fit into any of the above. My question is whether the park owners are making enough return to resist the urge to bulldoze and build something for the classes listed above? I suspect that in Boulder it’s politically difficult to do, or they would have already done it. Where I am would be a perfect location for expensive townhomes that would sell for 400k or rent for 2k+/mo and you could build a ton of them. And here I sit…lot rent is up to $300/mo now for me, market rate is about $550.

Comment by the golden boy
2013-09-24 08:44:07

Speaking of trailers, I read something a couple of yrs ago and I thought it was really interesting. The gist of it was that the mobile homes (I forgot the company / builder) had a shelf life of 15 years at max but when people went to refince the banks rejected many because the mortgage would have run out past shelf life. Very interesting, indeed.

Comment by Carl Morris
2013-09-24 08:52:14

I’m not sure what’s involved with traditional financing on used mobile homes. I suspect you are right, though, because the guy who sold me mine was also offering to finance it, so there must be a market for private financing.

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Comment by CarrieAnne
2013-09-24 09:41:37

There was a hard money lender that used to post here a while back. I’m pretty sure most of his market was mobile homes. Are you still out there lurking?

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-09-24 10:28:56

Wasn’t that azlender? Haven’t seen him or her in quite a while…

 
Comment by Lenderoflastresort
2013-09-24 21:01:06

IIRC, it was a woman. She was really cool!

 
 
Comment by United States of Moral Hazard
2013-09-24 11:01:03

The banks will finance back to 1982 or 1979, I can’t remember. I know this because there was a time way back when that I was trying to buy a large piece of acreage with a mobile on it. It was easier to fund than raw land, but I passed on it.

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Comment by 2banana
2013-09-24 04:49:58

Where is obama’s red line?

Bin Laden is Dead / GM is Alive.

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Videos: Terrorist attack in Nairobi, 59 dead; Update: US diplomat’s wife killed
Hot Air | September 22, 2013 | Ed Morrissey

The al-Qaeda affiliate Al-Shabaab has launched a lengthy massacre in an upscale Nairobi mall popular with Westerners, with a death toll of at least 59 people so far. The attack comes in reprisal for Kenya’s participation in suppressing the terrorist networks that operate in al-Shabaab’s home base of Somalia, and specifically targeted “non-Muslims.” It’s essentially a replay of Mumbai from five years ago, with the only question remaining is how many more will the terrorists kill before getting killed themselves or committing suicide.

The Kenyan military remained in a tense standoff with Islamic extremists Sunday, as the toll rose to 59 dead, including children, and 175 wounded in the attack at an upscale mall, a Kenyan minister said.

Update: That’s not the only terror attack today targeting non-Muslims. Two suicide bombers attacked Christian churches in Pakistan today, killing 56:

“They are the enemies of Islam, therefore we target them,” said the group’s spokesman, Ahmed Marwat. “We will continue our attacks on non-Muslims on Pakistani land.”

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, who offered assistance to Kenya, said several U.S. citizens had been hurt and the wife of a U.S. diplomat working for the U.S. Agency for International Development was killed.

Comment by (Still) Waiting for the Fall
2013-09-24 07:40:07

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/09/24/kenya-official-says-several-americans-among-mall-attackers/

From the article:
Meanwhile, Kenya’s foreign minister claimed in a television interview Monday that two or three Americans and one Briton were among those behind the attack.

The foreign minister, Amina Mohamed, said in an interview with PBS’ “NewsHour” program that the Americans were 18 to 19 years old, of Somali or Arab origin and lived “in Minnesota and one other place” in the U.S. The attacker from Britain was a woman who has “done this many times before,” Mohamed said.

Looks like drone strikes in flyover country…
Gotta get ‘em here before they can get over there.

Comment by the golden boy
2013-09-24 07:55:52

What’s Boston and Minneapolis have in common?

Training ground for would be terrirists, Alex?

 
 
Comment by the golden boy
2013-09-24 07:52:58

Go to any third world city and there are few ex-pat hangout. Very target rich areas for AQ IMO. Interesting that this kind mass killing of gringos doesn’t happen that often.

 
Comment by cactus
2013-09-24 08:39:03

“They are the enemies of Islam, therefore we target them,” said the group’s spokesman, Ahmed Marwat.”

This won’t end well

Comment by Army No Va
2013-09-24 10:38:05

I voted for Ron Paul so am a friend of Islam! Will they give me a pass then???

 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 05:14:29

“housing makes you poor. Very poor.”

It certainly does at current massively inflated asking prices of resale housing considering prices are 250% higher than long term trend. If you buy a house in this environment, you’ll be deep in debt for the rest of your life.

Don’t do it.

 
Comment by spook
2013-09-24 05:23:19

Before the advent of cars and public transport, rich people always kept an area nearby for poor people to live.

How else would they get to work?

If peak oil is true, we may be going back to that.

Comment by Combotechie
2013-09-24 05:49:41

“… rich people always kept an area nearby for poor people to live.”

Or, another way to look at it, poor people tend to keep poor the areas in which they live.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 06:10:09

The poor also have a knack for scaring away rich people, and it’s not just about color, as rich black folks avoid poor areas as much as those of other ethnicity.

 
Comment by rms
2013-09-24 07:17:48

“…poor people tend to keep poor the areas in which they live.”

+1 Being poor isn’t about a lack of money.

Comment by spook
2013-09-24 09:53:08

Comment by rms
2013-09-24 07:17:48

+1 Being poor isn’t about a lack of money.
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Alright now, don’t go crazy with this.

The monetary system guarantees the poor area will be the black area and vice versa.

As long as an unmarried black female mother is given food, shelter (instead of jail time like the blk male) for the inability to earn money to care for the children, the resulting chaos from the bastard sons of single mothers will produce a “poor area”; which will then be solidified and intensified by “section 8″ payments to slum lords which will always be HIGHER than the market value of the “poor area.”

Don’t put the cart before the horse.

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Comment by MightyMike
2013-09-24 13:39:31

+1 Being poor isn’t about a lack of money.

What the heck does that mean?

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Comment by In Colorado
2013-09-24 14:29:06

What the heck does that mean?

Haven’t you read “The Secret”?

 
Comment by MightyMike
2013-09-24 15:26:50

No, I’ve never heard of it. Maybe it’s a well-kept secret.

 
Comment by rms
2013-09-24 16:57:47

“What the heck does that mean?”

Have you ever read about a poor person winning a lottery, burn through the money, no donations, etc.? Money actually brings out the poor in a poor person.

 
Comment by MightyMike
2013-09-24 18:44:26

Oh, that’s what you mean. I haven’t read much about lottery stories. They’re not interesting to me. I don’t know what sort of newspapers or websites publish these stories, but you have to keep in mind that there’s probably a selection bias involved. If a poor person wins the lottery and makes sensible decisions about how to use the money, that might not make for a sensational article. Or, if some middle-class couple who have a combined income of $90k wins a few million and burn through it in a year, that also might not be a particularly interesting story.

On the other hand, I did read a book review over the weekend that addresses this topic. Some researchers have found that the stress of living in poverty causes people to make bad decisions. It’s possible that having a check for a large sum drop into one’s lap doesn’t suddenly change a lifetime of poor decision-making skills.

Economists focus on the problem of scarcity—on how people allocate their resources (including both time and money) in the face of many competing demands. In their extraordinarily illuminating book, the behavioral economist Sendhil Mullainathan and the cognitive psychologist Eldar Shafir explore something quite different, which is the feeling of scarcity, and the psychological and behavioral consequences of that feeling. They know that the feeling of scarcity differs across various kinds of experiences and that people can feel “poor” with respect to money, time, or relationships with others.

But their striking claim, based on careful empirical research, is that across all of those categories, the feeling of scarcity has quite similar effects. It puts people in a kind of cognitive tunnel, limiting what they are able to see. It depletes their self-control. It makes them more impulsive and sometimes a bit dumb. What we often consider a part of people’s basic character—an inability to learn, a propensity to anger or impatience—may well be a product of their feeling of scarcity. If any of us were similarly situated, we might end up with a character a lot like theirs. An insidious problem is that scarcity produces more scarcity. It creates its own trap.

Because they lack money, poor people must focus intensely on the economic consequences of expenditures that wealthy people consider trivial and not worth worrying over. Those without a lot of time have to hoard their minutes, and they may have trouble planning for the long term. The cash-poor and the time-poor have much in common with lonely people, for whom relationships with others are scarce. When people struggle with scarcity, their minds are intensely occupied, even taken over, by what they lack.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2013/sep/26/it-captures-your-mind/?pagination=false

 
 
 
 
Comment by cactus
2013-09-24 08:41:37

Before the advent of cars and public transport, rich people always kept an area nearby for poor people to live.’

They do that in Santa Barbara CA for government employees working at essential services like Police, fire, teachers, etc.

I wouldn’t say they were poor but in comparison to wealthy SB maybe they are ?

 
 
Comment by azdude02
2013-09-24 05:41:36

If the FED takes the punchbowl away will risk assets crash?

If the FED keeps printing money to support risk assets does this mean when the bubbles pop there will be an even harder crash in risk assets?

When did a roof over your head become a risk asset?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 05:51:38

Did you miss the memo? They aren’t taking the punchbowl any time soon.

So try not to get your undies in a bunch worrying about it.

Comment by azdude02
2013-09-24 06:11:10

answer the questions !!!!!!

Comment by Rick O'Shay
2013-09-24 07:02:34

The Fed will keep the printing presses cranking at full speed until the dollar reaches parity with the peso.

I’m kind of joking…I think…

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Comment by azdude02
2013-09-24 07:07:19

I guess its better to take more pain at a further point in the future? Hand it off to the next president?

 
Comment by rms
2013-09-24 07:29:59

“I guess its better to take more pain at a further point in the future?”

During the last depression many people were used to hardship and doing without having been raised on farms or working in factories making industrial goods with their hands; not so today. It doesn’t take much of an imagination to realize the effects of a similar austerity meted on the current population.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-09-24 07:40:48

The Fed will keep the printing presses cranking at full speed until the dollar reaches parity with the peso.

I’m kind of joking…I think…

Other countries are also running their printing presses at full speed, happily devaluing their currencies or at least making sure they don’t appreciate vs. the USD. Their export driven economies depend on it. The last thing Mexico wants is parity with the dollar.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-09-24 08:04:27

I guess its better to take more pain at a further point in the future? Hand it off to the next president?

The decision makers are probably hoping they’ll be dead by the time the SHTF and it becomes “someone else’s problem”.

 
Comment by spook
2013-09-24 09:58:20

If I’m the Fed, can’t I print as much money as I want as long as I increase the population?

During slavery, for every boat load of slaves that came in, couldn’t I inflate the money supply by an equivalent amount and not cause inflation?

 
Comment by United States of Moral Hazard
2013-09-24 11:23:26

Only until the slaves eat the Fed for dinner..

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 20:16:00

“…as long as I increase the population?”

We’d better start making more babies, or this plan may soon fail.

But I’m guessing that no jobs plus crushing student debt burdens don’t exactly put twenty-somethings “in the mood.”

Baby bust: U.S. births at record low
By Annalyn Kurtz @AnnalynKurtz
September 6, 2013: 10:59 AM ET
NEW YORK (CNNMoney)

The Great Recession and the slow recovery have been quite the romantic buzzkill.

The U.S. fertility rate fell to another record low in 2012, with 63.0 births per 1,000 women ages 15 to 44 years old, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That’s down slightly from the previous low of 63.2 in 2011.

It marked the fifth year in a row the U.S. birth rate has declined, and the lowest rate on record since the government started tracking the fertility rate in 1909. In 2007, the rate was 69.3.

Falling birth rates can be considered a challenge to future economic growth and the labor pool.

“If there are fewer younger people in the United States, there may be a shortage of young workers to enter the labor force in 18 to 20 years,” said University of New Hampshire demographer Kenneth Johnson. “A downturn in the birth rate affects the whole economy.”

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 08:07:54

OK, but first I will have to reword your questions to make them more subjunctive and less loaded:

1) If the FED takes took the punchbowl away will would risk assets crash?

Yes, but that is why I don’t expect them to do so any time soon.

2) If the FED keeps kept printing money to support risk assets does this mean when the bubbles popped there will would be an even harder crash in risk assets?

That is the conventional wisdom, though it would be difficult to run history’s clock twice to compare how things turned out with and without excessive money printing.

3) When did a roof over your head become a risk asset?

There have been earlier periods since the end of the U.S. dollar gold peg in the early 1970s (e.g. the late-1970s through early-1980s, then again in the late-1980s through the early-1990s) when U.S. home prices rapidly inflated then deflated again.

If memory serves, then prices didn’t levitate significantly in the current episode until after 1997, and the degree of levitation this round dwarfed the earlier episodes. Once prices stopped levitating and began to fall, the government stepped up to stabilize prices in an effort to prevent further declines.The injection of political intervention into housing price dynamics adds an element of risk which I believe is historically unprecedented, but I don’t claim to know for certain whether this is the case.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 08:17:02

Here is a counter opinion to mine. But bear in mind that Wall Street firms have an incentive to convince Main Street folks to take the opposite sides of their lucrative trades.

Tapering isn’t going to crush stocks: Morgan Stanley

September 24, 2013, 11:04 AM

Even though some investors have moved from tapering to debt fears, Christmas is around the corner. And the season of giving has been earmarked by many in the market — including those who got it wrong in September — as the moment when the Fed will finally start pulling bond purchases out from under the tree.

Simmering uncertainty about Fed policy has been a factor in upsetting markets lately, and there are a lot of Fed speakers to get through this week. But here’s some early holiday cheer: Morgan Stanley says QE doesn’t really matter for equities anymore and backs it up with some statistics.

 
Comment by azdude02
2013-09-24 08:51:39

I guess printing money and handing out 200 food stamp checks is keeping folks happy.

I guess mark cuban bought a million shares of jcp. I guess he didnt learn much after the facebook ipo beating he took.

How many of u r going to plow your life savings into the twitter ipo?

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2013-09-24 08:55:53

How many of u r going to plow your life savings into the twitter ipo?

Hah hah :-).

Maybe Twitter will find a profitable niche in providing news/reporting from emergencies to celebrities, but for regular people to communicate with each other it’s pretty useless IMO. Not something I want to invest in, but handy for following up to the minute news during emergencies. I just don’t see any profit in that, though.

 
 
Comment by Bluestar
2013-09-24 14:19:53

The top 10% wealthiest people possess 80% of all financial assets according to the latest census data. They managed to do this over the past 30 years through 4 recessions, the fall of the USSR, 9/11, the Iraq/Afghanistan wars and dozens of world crisis. It seems to me they have a plan and they are sticking to it. They long ago passed the point of ever being able to spend their riches within their lifetimes so what’s the point? Shouldn’t the question be is there a limit to greed?

Maybe if there was an planet killing asteroid on a collision course with earth they would fund a program to build a anti-asteroid defense system.

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Comment by United States of Moral Hazard
2013-09-24 15:38:42

“Poor man wanna be rich,
rich man wanna be king,
And a king ain’t satisfied,
till he rules everything..”

-Bruce Springsteen, Badlands

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-09-24 16:37:24

-Bruce Springsteen, Badlands

He sang it at Rock in Rio Sunday. I was there and close too. It Rocked!!

Bruce Springsteen sends Rock in Rio crowd into frenzy

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/09/22/bruce-springsteen-sends-rock-in-rio-crowd-into-frenzy/

RIO DE JANEIRO (AFP) – US rock superstar Bruce Springsteen mesmerized tens of thousands of fans with an electrifying performance at the Rock in Rio festival overnight Saturday.

….For more than three hours, he showed extraordinary vigor and stamina, racing up and down, jumping on a piano, bringing fans onto the stage and giving the microphone to a child who sang his “Waitin’ on a Sunny Day.”

“It seems that he is the one who is enjoying himself the most and this is contagious,” said 34-year-old Fabiana Kupfer.

….Rock in Rio, one of the world’s largest music events, was to wrap up Sunday night with performances by two heavy metal bands, Avenged Sevenfold of the United States and Britain’s Iron Maiden.

The week-long festival, which features 127 bands and artists, was opened by US diva Beyonce and French DJ David Guetta, among others.

 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 08:21:43

Taking FOMC members at their word that the taper braker was due to an economy that is too weak to withstand any amount of QE3 withdrawal, one might expect long-term Treasury bonds to do better than stocks over the near term. The reason is that long-term Treasurys have a guaranteed future payment stream, while the “payments” on stocks (corporate earnings which are either plowed back into the value of the company or paid out as dividends) are sensitive to the state of the economy. A worsening economic picture therefore should result in lower expected returns to stocks than to bonds, making bonds the relatively more attractive investment.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 14:00:14

Sounds like the taper postponement may prove indefinite.

10-year Treasury yields will drop to 2.1% in a year: HSBC
September 24, 2013, 11:35 AM

With Treasury prices on track to gain for a ninth trading day in 10 sessions, the selloff that gripped the government debt market over the past four months may be starting to abate.

HSBC Global Research strategists believe the 10-year Treasury note (10_YEAR -1.85%) yield, which moves inversely to price, is poised to retrace its rise, falling to 2.1% in the next 12 months. It was at 2.66% on Tuesday.

Others agree, especially as the time frame for a Federal Reserve cut to its $85 billion in monthly bond buys gets pushed out, and as a fight over the federal budget heats up. Both are a boon to Treasurys.

Andrew Wilkinson, chief economic strategist at Miller Tabak & Co., wrote in a Tuesday report that the 10-year note yield could cut in half its 1 percentage point rise between May and the beginning of September. That would put the yield at 2.50%, down 50 basis points from its peak of just about 3% earlier in the month.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 08:28:35

Sept. 24, 2013, 8:30 a.m. EDT
It’s nail-biting time on Wall Street
Commentary: The Fed is stoking market confusion
By Irwin Kellner, MarketWatch

PORT WASHINGTON, N.Y. (MarketWatch) — Although the stock market appears to have dodged a bullet in September, the advent of October and developments out of Washington, past and future, are giving investors the shakes.

October needs no introduction to denizens of the Street of Dreams. It is the worst month of the year and contains some of the biggest one-day declines on record. And while the past is but an imperfect guide to the present, those who ignore this skein do so at their own peril.

Next comes Washington. As if the kerfuffle between the Republicans was not enough, the Federal Reserve has added to the confusion.

Against just about everyone’s expectations, the central bank decided to keep its foot on the gas, pedal to the metal. In other words, the Fed is not tapering its bond buying just yet.

And while no one expected the Fed to reverse course and tighten money, many folks on Wall Street and in the media made a big deal about the Fed’s decision to stand pat.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 05:56:23

Maybe New Zealand Can Solve Housing Bubbles
By William Pesek Sep 23, 2013 3:00 PM PT

As the world’s biggest economies search for ways to let the air out of giant asset bubbles, they might find some answers in tiny New Zealand.
Fittingly, the nation that begins the developed world’s day and the central bank that pioneered inflation targeting will probably be the first to raise short-term interest rates. The move could come next year as growth steadily returns to levels seen before the collapse of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. in 2008. But something far more interesting is afoot at the Reserve Bank of New Zealand’s headquarters in Wellington.

Faced with a scary housing bubble not terribly unlike that in the U.S. five years back, Governor Graeme Wheeler should be tapping the brakes now, and hard, or so holds classical monetary theory. Doing so, however, would jeopardize the nation’s 2.5 percent growth amid general global uncertainty. Instead, Wheeler is conducting an experiment: limits on leveraged lending.

The idea, says economist Stephen Koukoulas, is to “contain the house price bubble without inflicting collateral damage to the rest of the economy.” Koukoulas was an economic adviser to Julia Gillard, Australia’s prime minister until June. And it’s significant that he’s recommending that Australia’s much larger economy emulate New Zealand’s experiment.

What about the rest of Asia, including China, home to some of the biggest property bubbles in modern history?

Crisis Lessons

If the world learned anything from the crises of the last 20 years — from Latin America to Asia to North America to Europe — it’s the folly of one-size-fits-all remedies. Nor is there obvious utility to comparing a $160 billion first-world economy like New Zealand’s with an $8.2 trillion developing one managed by Communist Party bureaucrats and a state-run central bank.

But the mechanics of monetary policy are rapidly changing. Now that central banks have cut rates to zero, they are loath to use them to address bubbles for fear of wrecking the broader economy. In the best of times, monetary policy is a blunt instrument. Today’s uncertain times require more of a scalpel — something that the wonkish among us call “macroprudential policies.”

“The neoclassical synthesis, the idea that we can use monetary and fiscal policy to make the world safe for laissez-faire everywhere else, has failed the test,” Nobel laureate Paul Krugman wrote on his blog last month. “What does this mean? At the very least it means that we need macroprudential policies — regulations and taxes designed to limit the risk of crisis — even during good years, because we now know that we can’t count on an effective cleanup when crisis strikes. And I don’t just mean banking regulation. The logic of this argument calls for policies that discourage leverage in general, capital controls to limit foreign borrowing, and more.”

The International Monetary Fund made a similar argument in a report last week, and New Zealand is a case in point. In May, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development said Kiwi homes were the fourth most overvalued in the developed world, behind only Belgium, Norway and Canada.

True, Canada — along with Israel, Singapore and South Korea — has tried its hands at macroprudential tweaks, but with limited success. New Zealand’s are taking the form of what bankers are calling a “10/80 rule,” whereby only 10 percent of new mortgages underwritten can have to loan-to-valuation ratios of more than 80 percent. The measures are designed to cap household debt as much as head off an asset bubble.

Comment by 2banana
2013-09-24 06:40:48

It is really quite easy.

The government does not guarantee ANY home loans
Banks have these carry the loans for the first three years
Banks have to eat any loan losses
Too many bank losses will result in fraud charges and jail time for bank executives

(kinda like it was it in the bad old days)

And then presto/magic…

No more housing bubbles!

 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-09-24 07:43:42

The thing about “tapping on the brakes” is that everyone is waiting for the other guy to do it first as they don’t want to concede their precious “growth” to another export driven economy.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 06:04:23

This is what I see around San Diego, too: Lots of land graded as though new home building activity might start tomorrow, yet very little actual building activity. The builders appear to be banking on inflation to make their land ever more valuable the longer they hold onto it.

ft dot com
Markets Insight
September 24, 2013 8:57 am
BoE lacks tools needed to prick property bubble
By John Plender
Reliance on interest rates is rarely enough

Since the early 1980s economies in the developed world seem to have lost their ability to grow spontaneously. Larger and larger doses of debt have been required to keep them on an upward trajectory. The limits of such debt-fuelled growth were exposed by the financial crisis when the US, UK and other over-indebted countries ran out of capacity to absorb excess savings from Asia and northern Europe.

Debt cannot increase forever. The twin policy challenge today is thus to encourage the innovation that will permit a return to less debt-intensive growth and to find ways of reducing outstanding debt to manageable levels. This latter priority applies as much to the private as to the public sector.

The US has achieved meaningful private sector debt reduction since 2009 thanks largely to its non-recourse system of property finance. Since overstretched borrowers can walk away from their mortgage debt, banks have no alternative but to take timely writedowns on property lending. In Europe it is another matter, especially where, as in the UK, governments perversely seek to address the debt problem by encouraging households to take on more debt.

As I commented here two weeks ago the UK government’s Help to Buy scheme ensures that house prices remain out of range for countless aspiring first-time buyers. It is doubly perverse in that pushing up house prices does little to address the underlying imbalance in a housing market where new supply is desperately short.

Between 1997 and the start of the credit crunch in 2007 house prices trebled, mortgage lending quadrupled, yet housebuilding remained stagnant. That reflects the historical experience whereby housebuilders have made as much or more from inflation in the value of their landbanks as from putting up houses. Nothing suits them better than a combination of rising prices and endemic shortages of supply. Modest building activity puts a veneer of respectability over lucrative speculation.

Comment by Strawberrypicker
2013-09-24 07:06:53

Well that ain’t what’s going on in Phoenix. They’re going coo koo for Cocoa Puffs building like crazy. A buddy who is in it tells me they all know it can’t last but they want to get what they can while it lasts.

I’m very interested to see how they do with the houses they are throwing up across from me now that prices have reached a point where no buy to rent out scheme makes sense in any way.

Comment by Oxide
2013-09-24 08:17:41

DC is in a building frenzy too, but there’s nary a modest SFH to be found. It’s wall-to-wall town homes and “mixed use” condo-above the SBUX/Loft/Bark/Whole Paycheck. If you feel like driving 45 minutes, you’ll find a McMansion. :roll:

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 08:24:42

And we’re going to keep building and adding inventory until the price structure is crushed.

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Comment by goon squad
2013-09-24 08:32:15

I don’t feel like driving 45 minutes

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Comment by MightyMike
2013-09-24 09:23:28

It would be a lot more than that for you.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-09-24 09:51:36

Do the builders actually own the land in SD that you reference? It could quite easily be held by an investor. From what I’m hearing, builder’s problem is that their inventory of land is dwindling faster than they can replenish it, I’ve not heard of them sitting on land, only seeking more out to increase construction.

Comment by United States of Moral Hazard
2013-09-24 15:58:38

You’ve never heard of anything which indicates an oversupply of housing.

Comment by Rental Watch
2013-09-24 17:02:56

In California? Not for a LONG time.

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 17:12:08

Yet the 4 million excess, empty and defaulted houses in CA is right in front of you. That reality gets in the way of your wallet…..

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-09-24 19:07:33

So, who owns those 4 million mythical houses? Can you answer that question?

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 19:30:05

The only thing mythical around here is that housing “appreciates”. You know all too well how rapidly houses depreciate.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-09-24 19:45:57

Answer the question. Who owns the 4 million vacant/excess homes in CA you keep referencing? We should be able to find some evidence of them somewhere..does bigfoot own them? The Loch Ness Monster? Perhaps aliens?

4 million vacant homes in a state with +/- 14 million homes don’t just blend into the surroundings…

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 19:50:17

4 million and growing by the day… Fraudster.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-09-24 20:28:11

‘does bigfoot own them? The Loch Ness Monster? Perhaps aliens’

You forgot Frosty the snowman. No one here is buying your shacks, so why the hard sell? If you are so convinced. why give them away? Hold on and someone will snap up your sweet deals.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 20:30:43

Realtors are such liars.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 06:06:40

How many millions of excess, empty and defaulted houses are on Freddie’s and Fannies books?

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 06:08:01

No property bubble in sight: planning official
Updated: 2013-09-13 07:13
By Wei Tian and He Wei in Dalian (China Daily)

An official with China’s top planning agency says it is too early to say if the property market is in a bubble.

“The property market is still doing fine despite some regional problems,” said Li Tie, director of the China Center for Urban Development under the National Development and Reform Commission.

He was speaking on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum “Summer Davos” in Dalian, Liaoning province.

China is still some distance away from a property bubble, Li assured an audience at a breakfast meeting on Thursday.

The National Bureau of Statistics says housing prices in 70 major cities rose by 7.5 percent on average in July from the same period in 2012. All cities but Wenzhou reported house price rises.

Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2013-09-24 09:01:11

Looks like they seem to have reached a permanently high plateau… Good for them! Looks like smooooooth sailing from here on out…

 
Comment by United States of Moral Hazard
2013-09-24 16:08:25

““The property market is still doing fine despite some regional problems,” said Li Tie,”

“Lie la Li,
Lie la Li Tie lie la Li,
Lie la Li,
Lie la Li la lie la Li la la la lie Li”

 
 
Comment by Taxpayers
2013-09-24 06:23:12

case shiller up - reflects june sales- may june are always the perkiest

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 06:37:26

It works well when defaulted property is excluded. Not so good when they’re included.

With tens of millions of excess, empty and defaulted houses in the US, we have a good idea where prices are going.

Comment by Strawberrypicker
2013-09-24 07:09:13

Will be reported as positive news that you better get in and buy now. You can’t lose.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 08:13:48

GOT PRICE DECELERATION?

Sept. 24, 2013, 11:00 a.m. EDT
Home-price growth slowing down, Case-Shiller says
By Ruth Mantell, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — U.S. home prices in July rose at the smallest monthly pace since March, as most cities tracked by a gauge from S&P/Case-Shiller saw slower growth, according to data released Tuesday.

Home prices rose 1.8% in July, down from 2.2% in June, according to the Case-Shiller report. After seasonal adjustments, prices were up 0.6% in July, the lowest gain since September.

It looks like higher mortgage rates are hitting the housing market, said David Blitzer, index committee chairman at S&P Dow Jones Indices. Among the 20 cities tracked by S&P/Case-Shiller, 15 saw slower monthly price growth in July. Elsewhere Tuesday, the Federal Housing Finance Agency, which regulates mortgage buyers Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, reported that home prices rose a seasonally adjusted 1% in July, and were up 8.8% from the year-earlier period.

Mortgage rates started rising in early May on speculation that the Federal Reserve could start cutting its large-scale asset purchases that have helped keep home loans relatively cheap. The Fed announced last week that it is not going to start tapering these purchases yet, but that news is likely to have only a temporary impact on housing, Blitzer said.

The rate of increase may have peaked,” Blitzer said.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 10:41:47

Took funny…… Analyst on bloomy said ‘yeah…… prices are up only when foreclosures are excluded’………silence.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 11:40:03

Doesn’t excluding foreclosures from the sample result in systematic bias in averages?

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 10:45:47

20%+ annual appreciation rates seem quite high. Has this ever happened before, other than during the early 2000s?

Home prices surged across U.S. in July, up 21% in L.A.
A home sold in Washington, D.C., earlier this year. (Jim Watson / AFP/Getty Images / May 1, 2013)
By Andrew Khouri
September 23, 2013, 1:28 p.m.

Home prices in large U.S. cities posted big gains in July, although the rapid increases may be easing, according to a leading index.

The S&P/Case-Shiller index of home prices in 20 large U.S. cities, released Tuesday, jumped 1.8% from June and 12.4% from July 2012. All 20 cities tracked saw gains over the month, but 15 of the cities saw the pace slow down from June.

“More cities are experiencing slow gains each month than the previous month, suggesting that the rate of increase may have peaked,” David M. Blitzer, chairman of the index committee at S&P Dow Jones Indices, said in a statement.

Prices rose fastest in Las Vegas, which saw annual gains of 27.5%. Prices in San Francisco jumped 24.8%, Los Angeles 20.8% and San Diego 20.4%.

The housing recovery began last year as traditional buyers and deep-pocketed investors rushed into the market looking for bargains amid low prices and historically low mortgage rates. What they found were few homes for sale as the rate of foreclosures plunged. Bidding wars ensued, sending prices swiftly upward and sparking concerns some markets had become overheated.

Lately there have been signs the market has cooled slightly as mortgage rates have risen and more homes have become available for sale in many markets.

Comment by Rental Watch
2013-09-24 13:57:33

Freddie Mac has home price index data going back to 1975 that I pulled down a while back for CA (trying to tease out how past recoveries have moved from market to market). I only looked at CA markets, but to answer your question, year on year 20%+ increases lots of times in different markets:

Bakersfield in the mid/late 70s, then again in the 2000’s
Chico briefly in the mid 70’s, then again briefly in the early 90’s, and again briefly in 2005
etc.

Lots of examples, don’t have enough time to do them all, but if I average all areas (not weighted by size of the markets, which would have an impact), I get the following 20%+ increase times in CA (generally):

Late 70’s, almost got there on average in the late 80’s (peaked at 18% with my non-population adjusted method, but big population markets like SJ, SF, SD and LA were running in the low-mid 20s to low 30’s at those times), then again in the mid 2000’s.

There are bunches of examples if you want to pick on particular markets.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 14:53:03

“Late 70’s,…”

I’m guessing those increases as reported are not inflation-adjusted? Inflation was much higher in the late-1970s than now (I think…).

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 16:08:38

“year on year 20%+ increases lots of times in different markets:”

Of course they do Liar….. in your sick world.

 
Comment by United States of Moral Hazard
2013-09-24 16:40:33

“…but to answer your question, year on year 20%+ increases lots of times in different markets..”

Cherry pickin’ daddy.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-09-24 17:06:46

I also gave the macro picture, where such increases occured 2-3 times over the past few decades.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-09-24 17:08:51

And yes, they were not inflation adjusted.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 17:10:14

No. You deliberately posted an misrepresentation of the truth.

Does anyone taking you seriously anymore? Anyone?

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-09-24 17:11:23

Of course they do….in your sick world called the “The History of the US Housing Market”.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-09-24 17:12:36

And US of Moral Hazard…EVERY market that Freddie tracked had at least one instance of year-on-year home price growth of more than 20% prior to December 1999. I didn’t cherry pick (if you’ll note, both B (Bakersfield) and C (Chico) are early in the alphabet, my columns are alphabetized).

 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 12:23:21

Cleveland, Atlanta among cities where home-price growth is slowing
September 24, 2013, 12:28 PM

Cleveland and Atlanta are among the cities that recently posted the biggest deceleration in home prices, according to data released Tuesday morning.

A gauge of 20 cities showed that home prices rose 1.8% in July, the smallest increase since March and down from 2.2% in June, according to S&P/Case-Shiller’s report. After seasonal adjustments, home prices rose 0.6% in July, the smallest gain since September and down from 0.9% in June.

Looking at prices without seasonal adjustment, Cleveland saw the largest drop in home-price growth among the 20 cities tracked by Case-Shiller. In July, home prices in Cleveland rose 0.5%, compared with 2% in June, meaning that home-price growth declined by 1.5 percentage points.

Home prices in Cleveland have been less turbulent than other cities. After the bubble burst, home prices in Cleveland fell about one-quarter from the local peak, compared with the gauge of 20 cities that fell 35% from its peak.

Other cities with large decelerations in July were Atlanta, where growth was down to 2.2% in July from 3.4% in June, and Miami, where growth fell to 1.2% from 2.1%. Among the 20 cities tracked by Case-Shiller, 15 saw slower price growth in July than in June.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 16:13:04

All real estate isn’t looking very local these days.

From the accompanying graph:

Cities with largest drops in (monthly) home price growth

Percentage point change in home-price growth between June and July

New York -0.4
Detroit -0.4
Dallas -0.4
Minneapolis -0.5
San Francisco -0.5
Charlotte -0.6
San Diego -0.8
Miami -0.9
Atlanta -1.2
Cleveland -1.5

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Comment by Combotechie
2013-09-24 06:23:19

“How to get to mars. Very cool!”

http://www.youtube.com/embed/XRCIzZHpFtY?rel=0

run time = 6:33

Comment by azdude02
2013-09-24 06:51:47

that was pretty cool. will pass it around.

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-09-24 06:26:57

‘California Senator Dianne Feinstein has proposed an amendment to the Media Shield Law that would ignore the protection afforded by the First Amendment and would limit the law’s protection only to “real reporters,” not bloggers and other upstart alternative media types.’

http://www.westernjournalism.com/feinstein-first-amendment-special-privilege-right/

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 06:40:07

Stunning.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 08:30:21

Unconstitutional.

But would you expect anything else from this Congress?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 08:33:14

This post is from an officially approved journalistic source.

August 13, 2013
Congress’ Approval Rating Remains Near Historical Lows
Fourteen percent approve and 81% disapprove
by Jeffrey M. Jones

PRINCETON, NJ — Fourteen percent of Americans now approve of Congress and 81% disapprove. Americans’ views of Congress have been highly stable, and highly negative, throughout the year.

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Comment by Pete
2013-09-24 15:32:43

This statistic has become meaningless over the past couple of decades w/the polarization of the electorate. I didn’t vote Kentucky’s reps into power, and I doubt they’d be happy w/who we in Ca elected. I know you don’t need to be lectured on this, but you posted the poll, so here I go. I would be really worried if Congress’ “approval rating” were higher than 30%. Those reps from Texas (think Mr. Cruz) are doing what they were elected to do, regardless of what the rest of the country thinks. The only relevant stat is what people in a given district think of their own representative. We’ve re-elected Pelosi and Feinstein more times than I can count. I’d love to see a national poll on Pelosi’s approval rating, but it wouldn’t mean she’s doing a bad job. Same w/Rand Paul or Ted Cruz.

And in today’s fast-media driven culture, it is easier than ever to throw red meat at folks to get them to blame congress, or at least disapprove of them as a whole. Since Truman, Presidents have gotten to rail against a “do-nothing Congress” to defend their presidencies, but I don’t think it has the effect it once did.

 
 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2013-09-24 06:42:02

Can these fake journalist then be killed in a drone strike through secret government kill lists?

 
Comment by goon squad
2013-09-24 06:43:59

She needs to be expelled from the Senate and sent to Guantanamo Bay, because that’s where they send the people who “attack us because they hate our freedoms”, nobody hates our freedoms more than this uppity ****

 
Comment by Combotechie
2013-09-24 06:54:30

Before everyone gets all hysterical and crazy Wiki-up “shield law” and read what it says and then peruse the words of Feinstein.

She is not trying to repeal the First Amendment she is just trying to modify the proposed Shield Law so as only recognized news sources will have their sources protected.

Comment by Ben Jones
2013-09-24 06:59:58

’so as only recognized news sources will have their sources protected’

Protected from what?

Comment by AmazingRuss
2013-09-24 07:03:12

Weatherboarding?

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Comment by Combotechie
2013-09-24 07:04:13

Protected from disclosure.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2013-09-24 07:13:35

‘from disclosure’

Disclosure? What are they going to do, beat it out of me? If I have a ’source’ that says Feinstein is a fat old hag, the government can force me to reveal who said it?

 
Comment by Combotechie
2013-09-24 07:21:29

Right now you or I or anyone else except a journalist or a priest and maybe a few other people can be brought before a Grand Jury and forced under threat of imprisonment to disclose the source of information that law enforcement authorties deem to be important to public safety.

There is really nothing new here other than the official defining of just what a journalist is and just what it isn’t.

Not saying I agree or disagree, just saying this is what the issue is about as I understand it.

 
Comment by tresho
2013-09-24 07:39:51

you or I or anyone else except a journalist or a priest and maybe a few other people can be brought before a Grand Jury and forced under threat of imprisonment to
do whatever a prosecutor or judge feels like doing. This legal terrorism compulsion is not restricted to disclosing sources. This is called “lawfare.”

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-09-24 07:45:24

‘the official defining of just what a journalist is and just what it isn’t’

So what brought about this ‘defining’? Who decided that a fat old hag could make such a distinction? If I say, Bernanke is a dangerous idiot, does that threaten public safety? In the colonial revolution, anonymous pamphlets played a large role. Those were certainly a threat to public safety as far as the British saw it. The right to communicate freely is just that; a right. And I don’t care what some fat old hag in California says.

This ‘move along, nothing to see here’ attitude might come back to haunt us.

‘The government seems to be doing all it can to gut the Fourth Amendment these days. Between the NSA’s domestic data collections and the administration’s recently filed amicus brief arguing for warrantless searches of arrestees’ cell phone contents, our supposedly guaranteed rights are looking more and more like rarely granted privileges.

Perhaps due to their proximity both in number and scope, the government is also working hard to eliminate the protections afforded by the Fifth and Sixth Amendments as well. One of the more recent blows to these rights came from a court decision in Salinas v. Texas, in which the court ruled that simply remaining silent is not the same as invoking your right to remain silent, and as such, can be used (under specific circumstances) as evidence of guilt. Another earlier decision (Berghuis v. Thompson) also weighs on this, putting the onus of invocation on the arrestee. The Berghuis decision makes the invocation the key element, post-arrest. Simply refusing to talk to police officers when detained or arrested doesn’t protect you. The Miranda rights are available but you’ll have to be the person invoking them. Otherwise, your lack of cooperation becomes problematic. For you.’

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130827/09282724323/not-content-with-gutting-fourth-amendment-government-continues-its-attack-fifth-sixth.shtml

 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2013-09-24 20:52:25

“fat old hag “

What does her physical appearance have to do with it? Your name calling demeans you, especially when you repeat it. It becomes a distraction to what is a righteous argument.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-09-24 21:02:03

‘Your name calling demeans you, especially when you repeat it’

Maybe, but she’s a fat old hag.

 
 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2013-09-24 06:55:03

When they attacked and destroyed the 2nd Amendment, I didn’t own a gun and so I said nothing.

When they attacked and destroyed the 10th Amendment, I wanted a bigger and bigger Federal Government and so I said nothing.

When they attacked and destroyed the 4th Amendment, I had nothing to hide and not a terrorist and so I said nothing.

Now that they have attacked and destroyed the 1st Amendment - I can say nothing.

Comment by AmazingRuss
2013-09-24 08:19:07

I legally own several guns, most of which are made for shooting people. How exactly did ‘they’ ‘destroy’ the second amendment, you hysterical ninny?

Comment by 2banana
2013-09-24 08:26:25

move to NYC or Chicago or DC

or review what your political leader in the WH wants to impose on the rest of us

go grovel at the feet of a politician if you want to use a Freedom or a Right in the US Constitution.

But it is for the children…

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Comment by Ben Jones
2013-09-24 08:37:34

‘ In their widening campaign against online “rumormongers” and other putative purveyors of social disorder, Chinese authorities have netted influential rights activists, freelance anticorruption sleuths and even a billionaire entrepreneur who championed the rights of poor migrants. Many of those detained in recent weeks remain in police custody.’

‘But the enforcers of Internet propriety, it seems, were not prepared for the online outrage stirred up by the arrest last week of a 16-year-old boy who had publicly questioned investigators over the mysterious death of a karaoke club manager in China’s northwest Gansu Province.’

‘On Monday, the police in Zhangjiachuan Hui Autonomous County apparently bowed to public pressure and released Yang Zhong, a middle school student who was among the first people to be charged under new regulations that criminalize the spreading of online rumors with up to three years in jail.’

‘Rights defenders and free-speech advocates have embraced his release as a small but significant victory against what many here see as a draconian campaign against dissent that has ensnared dozens of people over the past two months. Those arrested include Xu Zhiyong, a prominent lawyer who had called on officials to publicly disclose their financial assets, and Xue Manzi, a Chinese-American investor who often railed against injustice to his 12 million microblog followers.’

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101056528

 
Comment by 2banana
2013-09-24 08:42:50

Since he was not a paid employee of the NYT or Newsweek…

He deserved it.

:-(

 
 
Comment by goon squad
2013-09-24 08:40:40

Barack Hussein Obama

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Comment by AmazingRuss
2013-09-24 09:32:12

You’ve made 2Fruitcake soil his trousers. NEVER bold the Hussain.

 
 
 
Comment by Happy2bHeard
2013-09-24 20:55:22

When they attacked and destroyed the 4th Amendment, I had nothing to hide and not a terrorist and so I said nothing.

And yet you favor the destruction of a right to privacy between a woman and her doctor.

 
 
Comment by cactus
2013-09-24 08:47:49

shes coming for you Ben..

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-09-24 06:29:58

Housing Market in Brazil Draws Caution

http://riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/rio-business/brazilian-housing-market-draws-caution/

RIO DE JANEIRO, BRAZIL – The discussion about housing prices in Brazil was sparked again by a statement from renowned U.S. economist Robert Shiller, who predicted the American housing bubble burst. Shiller is reported as saying, “One can’t know for sure, but I suspect that there is a housing bubble in the major cities of Brazil. […] The fact that prices have doubled in the last five years does not sound good.”

In Rio, Fipe-Zap index registers an overall rise in purchase prices of 224.7 percent since January 2008, with São Paulo not far lagging behind. In the same time, rental prices have only gone up 131.1 percent.

….Prices have risen, as incomes in Brazil have increased. The nominal GDP per head has increased by fifty percent since 2008. The newly generated middle-class is eager for housing and with the development of a mortgage market, demand has spiked.

Yet, housing prices, especially in Rio and São Paulo, have risen far more than income has, which for many is an indicator of a bubble.

……Caixa’s vice president of real-estate lending, Teotonio Rezende, dismissed talks of a bubble and attributed the increase in prices to a re-regulation of prices after depreciated values during the hyperinflation that plagued the economy in the 1980s and 1990s.

Johan Jonsson, CEO and founder of Agente Imóvel, agrees, “In the opinion of Agente Imóvel, there is no bubble. What has caused markets to crash around the world in all history are steep price increases nurtured by easy access to leveraged property financing. Brazil is nowhere near those conditions.”

Jonsson cites the substantial amount of down payment that has to be made in Brazil and the low mortgage default rate as explanations against a bubble. The rise in mortgages, eightfold in the last six years according to Bloomberg, can be justified due to its low level beforehand.

“Having said that, the cost of housing has risen faster than income in the last five years which may make due for a more modest growth in property prices in the near future. Again, though, this is not to be compared with a market implosion that a bubble burst should cause,” Jonsson continued.

Comment by 2banana
2013-09-24 06:43:28

So Rio…

True or not true?

What has caused markets to crash around the world in all history are steep price increases nurtured by easy access to leveraged property financing. Brazil is nowhere near those conditions.”

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-09-24 07:20:16

Brazil is nowhere near those conditions.”

True or not true?

It is true that Brazil is nowhere near those conditions of a “steep price (increase) nurtured by easy access to leveraged property financing.”

Because there has been no easy access to easy money to finance Brazilian housing compared to the USA.

However there has been a very steep rise in the price of Brazilian housing even without easy access to easy financing.

Therefore if there is a bubble in Brazilian housing prices, (which there might be) it can’t be blamed on easy money.

Because it’s different here.

And/Or from the article:
“……Caixa’s vice president of real-estate lending, Teotonio Rezende, dismissed talks of a bubble and attributed the increase in prices to a re-regulation of prices after depreciated values during the hyperinflation that plagued the economy in the 1980s and 1990s.

…..The nominal (Brazilian) GDP per head has increased by fifty percent since 2008. The newly generated middle-class is eager for housing and with the development of a mortgage market, demand has spiked.”

But even though Brazilian mortgage demand has “spiked”. Brazilian mortgage debt as a percent of Brazil’s GDP is about 7% compared to USA’s 70%.

There is a big difference between 7% and 70%.

Comment by Oxide
2013-09-24 08:26:33

If prices are spiking but lending is tight, then who is buying the houses?

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Comment by the golden boy
2013-09-24 08:53:26

Must be the Americans.

They buy ours and we buy theirs. Everybody is happy that way.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2013-09-24 09:53:09

If prices are spiking but lending is tight, then who is buying the houses?

Here are some:
Brazil has a lot of rich families who help their own. The majority of apartments/houses in Rio are owned outright. So if one sells an existing paid-for apartment, takes that money, adds some family or saved money then adds a bit of newly existing financing, one can move up.

Foreigners have been buying in Rio the past 10 years or so too. I’m one of them I guess.

Or if one has 20-30% down and has a good job and good credit, financing is now available. It was not much available even 5 years ago.

On the lower end, 35 million Brazilians have entered the lower middle class, the have more money and there are government programs to get them into housing.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Taxpayers
2013-09-24 07:22:29

my mil in tampa is waiting for 2002 to come along- a villa so not the most common thing, but still a 2001 price level
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/TPXRSA

fed says it’s 2004 pricing already ????

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 07:36:08

“Want to be enslaved for your entire working career? Just buy a house a current massively inflated prices.”

And only net 25% of what you paid into it in the end.

Always remember……houses depreciate and are always a loss.

Comment by goon squad
2013-09-24 08:09:40

Today’s house buyers are financial “bugchasers” and Realtors® are “giftgivers”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugchasing

 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 07:57:09

Good Morning Liberace

Comment by goon squad
2013-09-24 12:59:47

Downlow Joe is ignoring you

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 16:07:10

I’m crushed.

Comment by goon squad
2013-09-24 18:46:04

You are rather fond of Panty Joe.

Daddy Bear misses his Twink Cub?

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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 18:49:19

He’s here now. ;)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Taxpayers
2013-09-24 08:13:10

what do
hungary-portugal-argentina have in common
A: they stole everyone 401k
gov workers getting their,everyone else screwed

can’t happen here?

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 08:22:47

BS it can’t happen. They can and will take what they want.

I gotta laugh at partisan froot loops. We saw what hatchetman Bush did and of course all the frooties were outraged. Now this clown is Bushx100 and silence. Nothing but silence. What’s going down is bad and you shouldn’t be afraid. It should anger you. Don’t cower.

Comment by MightyMike
2013-09-24 10:14:31

Who is “they” and what do they want?

Comment by MightyMike
2013-09-24 10:26:33

sorry, should be Who are “They”

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Comment by 2banana
2013-09-24 08:31:29

I think you mean Poland.

But point taken.

The free sh*t army votes.

And the free sh*t army wants more and more free sh*t

F- you - Pay me
Goodfellas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ydqjqZ_3oc

 
Comment by cactus
2013-09-24 08:58:34

I think Argentina stole its government workers pensions ?

I’ll have to look it up later and yes I think governments can and will change the deal ( steal ? ) on government workers pensions quite easily especially state and local pensions.

401 K ? they could steal bank accounts as well. there maybe means testing for Social security for example if you have a 401K no social security. But they have to be careful because all these years they have said social security was a savings plan not a wealth transfer tax..

Comment by tresho
2013-09-24 16:36:42

I think governments can and will change the deal ( steal ? ) on government workers pensions quite easily especially state and local pensions.
Some US state constitutions supposedly protect the pensions of state & local workers from being changed after they are started. I don’t know if that protection holds up in a municipal bankruptcy, a la Detroit.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 19:46:14

Apparently there is a pension shortfall of some $3.5 billion in the Detroit bankruptcy. So there is a mediation process underway to determine who gets made whole and who doesn’t.

“Now, the once-stable and sedate municipal-bond market has caused new financial headaches for the bond insurers, as more municipalities struggle with fiscal problems and investors seek out the bond guarantees for safety.”

Sounds like Detroit may be the canary in the coalmine, with more municipal bankruptcies to come. Stay tuned.

MARKETS
September 16, 2013, 7:59 p.m. ET
Detroit Bankruptcy Fight Heads to Mediation
Detroit and Its Creditors Vie for Assets, From Tax Dollars to Artworks
By MATT WIRZ and EMILY GLAZER
CONNECT

The battle for Detroit’s cash is on.

Negotiations between Detroit’s creditors and the bankrupt city’s emergency manager, Kevyn Orr, are scheduled to begin Tuesday, formally launching the fight for the city’s assets—from tax dollars to artwork to arenas.

At the center of the battle are five bond insurers who are the city’s biggest creditors—having guaranteed payments on $6.5 billion worth of Detroit’s debt—including Assured Guaranty (AGO +3.44%) Ltd.; National Public Finance Guarantee Corp., a subsidiary of MBIA (MBI -0.81%) Inc.; and Syncora Holdings Ltd. (SYCRF +4.26%).

The insurance companies are flexing their legal muscles in what observers see as a tough battle against Mr. Orr, who has said he prioritizes restoring city services over addressing bondholders’ complaints, particularly about his planned cuts to the value of some bonds. Insurers have been filing reams of court documents and creating alliances to carve out a share. And for some, the payout they wrangle from Detroit could be a matter of survival.

A spokesman for Mr. Orr on Monday said, “The city is proposing to treat all of its unsecured creditors, who share the same legal priority, in a similar fashion. Regrettably, that will likely impose hardships on many individuals and financial institutions.”

The clash comes as Detroit’s bankruptcy—the largest municipal bankruptcy on record, with $18 billion in estimated liabilities—and fears about Puerto Rico’s finances have placed the bond insurers back on the front lines, five years after several were hammered in the financial crisis by losses from mortgage-bond guarantees. Now, the once-stable and sedate municipal-bond market has caused new financial headaches for the bond insurers, as more municipalities struggle with fiscal problems and investors seek out the bond guarantees for safety.

It appears the “insurers have significant exposure in this case, and they are intending to play an active role,” said Robert Gordon, the lawyer representing two pension funds for Detroit’s retirement systems. Shortfalls in the pension funds are estimated at $3.5 billion, according to court filings, making retirees the second-largest constituency in the bankruptcy.

The mediation in front of a judge Tuesday is the first of several scheduled sessions that may determine the city’s reorganization plan, or how many dollars go to the insurers; other creditors, such as pension funds and labor unions; and Detroit and Michigan authorities, said people familiar with the matter.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 08:25:57

Given the inevitability of the U.S. housing market recovery, I find it surprising that banks would be announcing mass layoffs in their U.S. mortgage business.

Sept. 24, 2013, 11:03 a.m. EDT
Citi sags after announcing mortgage layoffs
By Christina Rexrode

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Financial stocks sagged on Tuesday, with Citi among the biggest decliners as the lender indicated it was scaling back its mortgage business.

Citigroup (C -0.71%) fell, following its announcement late Monday that it will cut 1,000 jobs in its U.S. mortgage business. The cuts are just a small proportion of Citi’s overall workforce – it had 253,000 employees as of June 30 – but they’re part of a longer pattern. One year ago, Citi had 261,000 workers.

Comment by oxide
2013-09-24 12:46:16

It’s the refi’s. Why process more when everybody’s already got one?

Comment by azdude02
2013-09-24 13:00:02

when is TMZ going to file for an ipo?

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 17:05:22

More OxyMath?

Banks knew demand would begin collapsing and they’re preparing for it.

You? There’s no going back now.

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Comment by cactus
2013-09-24 08:59:59

Given the inevitability of the U.S. housing market recovery, I find it surprising that banks would be announcing mass layoffs in their U.S. mortgage business.”

yea WTF ?

Comment by Rental Watch
2013-09-24 09:56:09

Lower volume almost no matter what going forward (at least in the medium term), since the “serial refinance” phase is over.

As an example, I started at 5.15%, and refinanced down to 3.75% in two steps. I don’t see how rates will ever be low enough again for me to refinance again. There are a LOT of people like me who, after years of refinancing over and over again, will not need to refinance anymore.

Comment by Carl Morris
2013-09-24 10:31:53

So you’re saying we might finally be running ways to squeeze blood out of this turnip? That doesn’t sound like positive news for the FIRE economy…

Comment by Rental Watch
2013-09-24 11:30:18

What I’m saying is that a fair amount of the refinance activity was from people chasing down rates that were spurred lower and lower by the QEs. That chasing of rates down is largely over, so an entire segment of mortgage activity is dramatically reduced, and we are going to move more toward a “normal” level of mortgage activity relative to home sales (whatever that may be).

Eventually banks will also need to fire a bunch of people who were associated with the foreclosure effort. Do you see that as a negative? Or positive? Overall, I see it as a positive.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2013-09-24 13:27:42

I see it as a positive, too. But not for the FIRE economy. Tons of people made a living from the churn. The FIRE economy has been the only game in town for a lot of the white collar folks in this country lately.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2013-09-24 14:27:31

The FIRE economy has been the only game in town for a lot of the white collar folks in this country lately

I know more than a few people who quit their cubicle farm jobs to get on the FIRE merry go round and try to grab the brass ring.

 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 10:46:36

Liar,

The layoffs are a result of collapsing demand….. Not refi’s.

Did you think you’d slide that turd in without anyone noticing? Foolish.

Comment by Rental Watch
2013-09-24 11:44:42

collapsing demand for mortgages, not sales.

New home sales are up year-on-year EVERY month since October 2011 (data from the census).

It’s the same story for existing home sales (although that data is from the NAR…).

Can you show any third party, BROAD measure of sales (not one particular market) that shows a year-on-year decline in sales at any time after January 2012? I can’t.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2013-09-24 11:51:31

BTW, Zillow tracks the data for what appears to be major metros. Over the past 24 months, they show 16 months with increasing sales year on year.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 12:11:43

Collapsing demand for mortgages, not refi’s.

Nice try Liar.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by cactus
2013-09-24 11:53:05

what a tool

A Forbes contributor, Harry Binswanger, who is a disciple of the writer Ayn Rand, argued this week that people who make $1+ million a year are so valuable to society that they shouldn’t pay any taxes.
Far from these million-dollar earners paying more taxes, Binswanger argued, the rest of America should “give back” to the 1% by thanking them for their service to the country and rewarding them by exempting them from taxation.
This argument is the logical extension of an argument that many American entrepreneurs and investors make, which is that they are the country’s “job creators” and therefore deserve almost all of the country’s income and wealth. These “job creators,” this argument goes, should pay their employees as little as possible and keep every penny of profit for themselves. After all, they deserve it: They’re the ones who “create” the jobs that sustain the country.

Comment by P.T. Barnum
2013-09-24 13:30:17

“These ‘job creators’, this argument goes, should pay their employees as little as possible and keep every penny of profit for themselves.”

This is some very shallow thinking: These job creators SHOULD CHARGE EMPLOYEES for the opportunity to learn from the wealth creators about various methods available to generate wealth in the same manner universities extract some very hefty bucks from their students in order to accomplish the same thing.

Add to this: If the job creators are forced to pay their employees anything at all then the job creators should set it up so as to pay employees in promises rather than cash because promises are much, much cheaper.

An entire generation has been conditioned to receive promised money that hasn’t a chance in hell of ever being delivered so, since this conditioning has already been set in place, the job creator is negligent in his duties as a job creator if he doesn’t take full advantage of this conditioning.

(Note: After all these years the birth rate of suckers is still holding steady at one a minute.)

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-09-24 12:44:49

Uhhh…

‘If policymakers had wanted to see signs of the housing bubble at the time it was inflating, perhaps they should have read local newspapers. That’s one take-away from research done by University of Michigan Ross School of Business assistant professor of finance, Cindy Soo. Ms. Soo used newspaper articles to measure the “animal spirits” in housing markets across the U.S.’

“News media give a channel and voice to what’s going on in the current market,” Ms. Soo says. Local housing stories reflect what hometown realtors, builders and “people on the street” think about real-estate markets. When participants are enthusiastic about any market, their “animal spirits” can bid up prices above what fundamentals would suggest.’

‘Ms. Soo collected housing-related newspaper articles published between 2000 and mid-2011 in the cities included in the S&P/Case-Shiller 20-city home price index. The results created indexes that measured sentiment in the 20 local housing markets. For the U.S. as a whole, the turns in the index led the boom and bust in Case-Shiller home prices by about two years. ‘

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2013/09/24/want-to-know-where-home-prices-are-headed-read-the-papers/

Comment by Rental Watch
2013-09-24 18:13:51

““Expectations and animal spirits have a significant role in a boom and bust,” she says.”

In other words, sentiment matters in a BIG way. The discussion of home prices solely being a function of interest rates is flawed.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 18:34:41

The discussion of housing prices excluding the topics of fraud and deliberate misrepresentation from people like you is akin to drinking gasoline.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 23:45:58

The discussion of home prices solely as a function of animal spirits without regard to purchase budget constraints that got severely hammered by rising mortgage rates is seriously flawed.

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-09-24 15:56:25

Came across this:

http://www.mv-voice.com/news/2013/09/22/local-students-and-grads-drowning-in-debt

‘Local students and grads drowning in debt’

‘Mountain View resident Patricia Zeider chose to attend Cal State University Monterey Bay for its location — just far enough from home that her mother couldn’t check in on her, just close enough that she could come home on weekends. She took out loans to pay for a nicer off-campus apartment as well as a semester studying abroad in South Korea.’

‘She was interested in cultural anthropology and planned to teach English to adults. She graduated in May of last year with about $28,000 in debt. She’s now sleeping on a futon in her mother’s mobile home and working 12-hour days at Starbucks and the Mountain View Public Library to make her loan payments.’

A comment:

‘Let’s see: rack up $28k in debt so you can study “cultural anthropology”? And wonder why you can only get a job at Starbucks?’

Some of these people are borrowing even more to go back to school, repeatedly, just so the loan payments stop for a while.

Comment by Carl Morris
2013-09-24 16:20:52

Some of these people are borrowing even more to go back to school, repeatedly, just so the loan payments stop for a while.

The idea that college automatically equals better job isn’t going to die any time soon.

 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2013-09-24 16:16:42

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/09/24/housing-market-revival-to-push-socal-rent-prices-higher/

There isn’t enough supply…not enough rooftops for the people who want to live under them.

You can keep saying that the lack of supply is an illusion, but non-current loan rates and vacancy rates keep falling…while shadow inventory keeps coming onto the market (as evidenced by lower and lower non-current loan rates), it is more than absorbed by demand.

If there are massive numbers of vacant homes somewhere hidden in the foreclosure process in California, where are they? RealtyTrac tracks “zombie foreclosures”, vacant homes somewhere in the foreclosure process…the number for the WHOLE of California is something like 30k the last I saw the data.

Or is the excess supply on the books of the lenders? Property Radar (formerly Foreclosure Radar) notes about 43k homes in all of California.

Where is the excess supply? Who owns it? Unless you have a plausible explanation for where this supply is, all other evidence points in the opposite direction (not enough supply).

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 16:30:32

With 25+ MILLION excess empty houses in the US, 4 million of which are in the state of California alone, the mere suggestion that there aren’t enough houses borders on delusional.

Liar….. you have a stake in the direction of prices as you paid a massively inflated price for a depreciating house in 2010….

Comment by Rental Watch
2013-09-24 17:14:55

Who owns the 4 million vacant homes in CA?

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2013-09-24 17:19:13

‘There isn’t enough supply’

So why are you looking to sell?

Comment by Rental Watch
2013-09-24 17:34:55

Lack of supply drives up prices, increases in price supports the addition of supply, the increase of supply MAY serve to drive down prices in certain markets.

We are at a point where few new residential lots have been approved, builders have built on many of the existing finished lots in the market, and there is a gap in time between getting new lots entitled, and finished lots being available to be built upon.

In other words, from a land perspective, we are at a point where we think there will be multiple bidders given the lack of supply of approved lots…this is a good time to be selling land.

With respect to the homes (a much smaller part of our portfolio), the lack of supply is driving home prices up much faster than we originally thought. The strategy was never intended to be a “forever” hold, but up to a 5-year investment. There is no reason to hold for 5 years if values have gone up so much after 2-3 years.

As I’ve said numerous times:

1. Judicial and non-judicial states have been very different in how they have disposed of distressed housing.
2. Because judicial states have been so slow, there is a real risk that non-judicial states bubble before judicial states have cleared enough of the distress for the Fed to dial back the flood of capital.

I fear a rebubble/recrash in CA, which is driven by 1) lack of supply and 2) cheap money from the Fed. Sell into strength.

Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 17:43:09

Fraud and Phoney Financing artificially drives demand that isn’t there in reality.

Supply? Theres tens of millions of excess empty and defaulted houses in the US, 4 million of which are in the state of California alone.

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Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 19:31:29

“…cheap money from the Fed. Sell into strength.”

Soon to go away.

Sell now, or get priced in forever.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2013-09-24 19:40:15

From Ben’s article above:

““Expectations and animal spirits have a significant role in a boom and bust,” she says.”

The dialing back of the punchbowl won’t have an immediate effect if the “animal spirits” are still in play. It will be a headwind though.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 19:44:51

Headwind?

Prices that are 250% above long term trend is all the headwind you’ll need. Your losses are built in.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 19:51:32

The dialing back of the punchbowl won’t have an immediate effect if the “animal spirits” are still in play.

In the collision between the macroeconomist’s chimeric animal spirits and the microeconomist’s brick wall budget constraint, the brick wall wins every time.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 19:54:17

* A primary purpose of QE3 is to relax the home purchase budget constraint through mortgage interest rate suppression, enabling animal spirits to lead households to mire themselves down with crushing mortgage debt burdens.

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2013-09-24 19:43:33

It’s never been a better time to fear holding the bag.

You saw a few years ago what house/lot prices tended to do before intervention came. They fell like a rock. Intervention only postpones, it cannot alter the destination and give the storm time to gather. Should you sell now, it is not into strength, it is into ever increasing fragility.

Funny thing about “approved lots” being at a low in your location. Did you notice that housing starts are at 50+ year lows EVERYWHERE in the country? Consider that this might not be because there is no more land.

We built too many houses.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2013-09-24 19:50:30

Housing starts are low, but it is MUCH easier to get lots approved for building in other states as compared to CA.

And other states do not have CEQA, and the Sierra Club suing with it as the basis very frequently to slow down development.

CA’s vacancy rates are VERY low compared to other states, and the number of people in the state as compared to total housing units is very high relative to other states.

 
Comment by United States of Moral Hazard
2013-09-24 22:52:11

Hay-soos, this guy isn’t just drinking the Kool-Aid, he’s shooting it up.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 16:20:40

California Housing Demand Crumbles 10%+

http://picpaste.com/pics/13e032544a7945948a486bcfd4dce404.1380064785.png

Demand collapses when prices are grossly inflated.

 
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Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 17:02:12

“The mini-boom in housing is already over: Realtors”

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/mini-boom-housing-already-over-153038079.html

This is what happens when prices are grossly inflated. Buying a house now is financial suicide. Rent, buy later, after prices crater for 65% less.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 17:08:18

“Housing “Recovery” Endgame Escalates”

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-23/housing-recovery-endgame-escalates

Remember…..A housing recovery is falling prices to dramatically lower and more affordable levels by definition. Given the fact there are tens of millions of excess empty houses, and prices and massively inflated levels, you’ll never recover financially if you buy a house now. Beware.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 19:02:52

Since when is it OK in America to discriminate against middle-aged, white rich people, or any other group, for that matter? Though I thought we were striving to become a color-blind society, I increasingly doubt it.

P.S. If anyone can provide one iota of evidence of how subprime loans made low-income American families better off, including recentvintage federal government sponsored subprime lending, please post.

5 years after Lehman, subprime mortgages return
When The Michelson Building opened in the midst of the financial crisis, you could see through the empty floors. Other buildings in Orange County, Ca., also stayed empty after subprime lenders shut down.

by David Weinberg
Marketplace for Thursday, September 12, 2013

What happened to the subprime lenders?

Sunday marks the five-year anniversary of the collapse of Lehman Brothers, the largest Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing in this country’s history, triggered in big bets on subprime mortgages that defaulted. And we’re still feeling the effects of the crisis that followed, perhaps nowhere more so than the real estate market. Prices in most places still haven’t recovered to pre-crisis levels. And subprime mortgages all but vanished. Until recently.

At the beginning of 2007, New Century was the second largest subprime lender in the country, and it needed more office space. So the company signed a pre-lease with The Michelson, an office building still under construction in Irvine, Calif.

“Before the building was even completed, the mortgage market began to crumble and New Century basically went bankrupt,” says Andrew White with Jones Lang LaSalle. He’s in charge of leasing office space in The Michelson. When the building opened in the midst of the financial crisis, it was so empty you could see through it at night, “and that was the case for a lot of buildings in the area,” White says.

“This area” being Orange County, ground zero for the subprime industry. Five years after the crash, office parks in the area are filling back up, but not with mortgage companies. The car company Hyundai now leases the space that New Century wanted.

Among the mortgage companies operated out of Orange County was First Street Financial, ranked among the top 40 subprime lenders in the U.S. “In February 2007, I laid off a good amount of people and shuttered a very successful company that was still making money,” says the former head of First Street Financial, Dan Perl. “Why? Because I didn’t think the future looked too good.”

Today Perl has a much more optimistic vision of the future. He founded a new company called Citadel Servicing, which he says is the first subprime mortgage lender in the U.S. since 2007. Though he doesn’t like the term subprime, he prefers non-prime. They are essentially the same.

Subprime mortgages were created for people with less than perfect credit scores who couldn’t get loans guaranteed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. But they were aggressively marketed to people who couldn’t afford them, with gimmicks like no down payment and no need to verify income. Lenders collected big upfront fees on these loans.

Perl’s non-prime loans go to people with subprime credit. But unlike the old subprime loans there are stricter rules. For one, the income of the borrower has to be verified now.

“We look at everybody’s income,” says Perl. “We look at their debt in relationship to that income. We look closely the property and if they can qualify under our guidelines even with some credit dings here and there, we will in fact make the loan.”

Those credit dings mean that borrowers pay a lot to get a loan from Citadel. Upfront fees can top $10,000. Interest rates start at about 8 percent. But Perl also requires a minimum down payment of 25 percent. So far Perl has raised $200 million to lend. He expects Citadel will have a lot of competition in the next year and a half. “What you are going to find is instead of a $200 million marketplace today, this is going to be a several billion dollar marketplace,” Perl says.

Unlike 2006, when anyone with a pulse could get a loan, there are restraints on the growth of the subprime industry. New regulations have tightened credit standards and that means a safer market than the one of the early 2000’s. But it also makes it harder for lower-income borrowers to get a mortgage.

“To be blunt, I don’t think we want to have a housing market or a mortgage market that favors middle-aged, white rich people. We’d like a market that’s more diverse that reflects the population,” says Guy Cecala, the publisher of Inside Mortgage Finance.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 19:26:10

If you use a mortgage-financed housing purchase to compete with the all-cash investor sharks, you are committing the financial equivalent of seppuku.

A Stunning 60% Of All Home Purchases Are “Cash Only” - A 200% Jump In Five Years
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 08/15/2013 17:29 -0400

Remember when housing was the primary aspirational asset for a still existent US middle class, to be purchased with some equity down by your average 30 year-old hoping to start a family in his or her brand new home, and, as the name implies, aspire to reach the American dream? Those days are long gone. Back in those days the interest rate on the 10 Year bond mattered as it determined the prevailing marginal affordability of leveraged real estate. That is no longer the case, at least not for about 90% of Americans, because as Goldman shows, while before the great crisis only 20% of home purchases were “all cash”, since then the number has soared threefold, and currently the estimated percentage of cash transactions (by count and amount) has hit a record 60%. In other words, less than half of all home purchases are debt-funded, and thus less than half of all home purchases are actually representative of what middle-class America is doing.

Comment by Rental Watch
2013-09-24 19:43:20

So…are prices being driven higher because of low interest rates (which allow more people to purchase)? Or because people with cash are willing to buy without debt because they feel prices are so low?

What is it? You seem to imply frequently that prices going higher is because of cheap debt, but this article would seem to imply that the cost of debt has no DIRECT relationship (it could be indirect in that cheap debt pushes cash into risk assets).

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 19:56:46

Let’s compare notes once the fly-by-night all-cash investors dump their holdings in order to get their money out, revealing recent low-interest mortgage-financed purchases by households who just “had to buy” to be the investment blunder of a lifetime.

 
Comment by Housing Analyst
2013-09-24 19:56:57

“Prices are low?”

$200+/sq ft is low? Because you say so?

Where’s the $200 per square Fraudster.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 20:08:29

“So…are prices being driven higher (1) because of low interest rates (which allow more people to purchase)? Or (2) because people with cash are willing to buy without debt because they feel prices are so low?

What is it?”

Factors (1) and (2) are not mutually exclusive, so the answer is that they operate in competition, with the interaction effect driving prices higher than the simple sum of factor (1) or (2) in isolation.

However, the players involved have different motivations.

Group (1) has been led to believe now is the time to buy, thanks to their viewing the cost of housing as a question of “how-much-a-month,” rather than considering long-term net-worth implications of purchasing a high-priced asset with a low-interest loan.

Group (2) most likely think not only of how low prices are (were) but also how fast they are rising. So long as prices are going up at similar rates to the 2003-06 period, this group will stay in the game. Look for them to dump once price gains slow to a halt as a second bubble peak is reached, leaving group (1) holding the bag in the next leg down.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 22:28:50

Also worth noting: What appear to be “all cash” deals could be coming from investment firms which pooled or borrowed other people’s money for residential real estate investment purposes.

 
 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 20:21:11

REAL ESTATE
September 24, 2013, 1:31 p.m. ET
Chinese Property Investors Widen Footprint in U.S.
Developers and Investors See Opportunities From Houston to Seattle Amid Market Rebound
By ESTHER FUNG
Photo from Grand China Fund
Grand China Fund owns a stake in this Atlanta residential complex.

SHANGHAI—The upswing in the U.S. property market is attracting Chinese developers and investment firms, and they are dipping their toes into new cities.

While Chinese institutional investors are still drawn to their traditional favorites of New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco, many are now also headed to cities such as Houston, Boston and Seattle as they seek geographic diversity as well as bigger lot sizes.

These other cities—lesser known to some Chinese firms—now appear to offer fresh opportunities as energy or technology drives their economies and local Chinese communities expand.

In the second quarter of this year, Beijing-based real-estate investment firm Grand China Fund took an 80% stake in a 286-unit residential rental complex in Houston. That followed a 2012 investment in a 170-unit residential project in Atlanta, with another local partner. The firm put a total of about $15 million into the two projects, which are valued at more than $50 million. For both projects, it said it was attracted by the prospect of higher yields amid the lower prices compared with property in California and New York.

Gaw Capital Partners, a Hong Kong-based private-equity firm, is planning to raise $500 million for a real-estate fund that will invest in U.S. commercial property in the fourth quarter, targeting investors from Asia and North America. The fund manager said it will look at assets in “innovation centers” such as Portland, Ore., and Austin, Texas.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 20:25:31

Why couldn’t the Fed’s $40 bn in monthly MBS purchases be used to buy and guarantee private mortgages? What is special about GSE debt, other than that it originates inside the Beltway?

THE OUTLOOK
September 22, 2013, 3:55 p.m. ET
Rethinking Fannie, Freddie—and the 30-Year Mortgage
Washington Ponders How to Reshape the Mortgage Market
By NICK TIMIRAOS
CONNECT

Washington is finally talking seriously about how to replace Fannie Mae (FNMA -3.68%) and Freddie Mac, (FMCC -3.08%) the mortgage-finance juggernauts that the government was forced to rescue five years ago. Just don’t expect quick action.

The firms are proving to be as difficult to shut down as the U.S.-operated Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba. Republicans and Democrats are deeply divided over what to do. On the surface, the disagreements concern what role the government should play in the mortgage market.

But the real debate boils down to this: Should all Americans continue to have relatively easy access to the pre-payable, 30-year, fixed-rate mortgage?

American homeowners love the 30-year mortgage, which isn’t available in most other countries. It provides payments that are stable for the life of the loan, which makes finances easier to manage. In many other countries, homes are financed with adjustable-rate mortgages, where payments rise and fall with prevailing interest rates.

The government plays an unusually large role in the U.S. mortgage market because banks don’t like holding 30-year mortgages. During the 1980s, many savings-and-loan associations failed when rates jumped because the interest they had to pay to depositors soared above the payments they received on those 30-year mortgages. This is known as “interest-rate risk.”

Enter Fannie and Freddie. They don’t make loans. Instead, they buy them from lenders, package them into securities, and sell those to investors. They promise to make investors whole when mortgages default. In other words, they take the credit risk.

This middleman role is important. It matches banks with pension funds and other investors that are more willing to take on the interest-rate risk. The companies also set uniform standards that facilitated very liquid securities markets. The 30-year mortgage is available mainly because of government guarantees—implied before the crisis and explicit since 2008.

Those who want the government out of the mortgage business say the 30-year fixed isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. Because borrowers pay a lot of interest during the first few years of the loan, it’s hard to quickly build equity. This makes the loan less practical in an era where people move, switch jobs, and get divorced more often than in the past.

Defenders, however, say it’s the wrong time to push more people into adjustable-rate loans because interest rates are likely to rise over the coming decade.

Wouldn’t banks still offer the 30-year fixed mortgage without a government guarantee if it’s so popular? Maybe, but they would likely require bigger down payments and higher rates.

It’s a math issue. There is nearly $10 trillion in mortgage debt outstanding today with around $4.5 trillion backed by Fannie and Freddie. Scrapping the government’s role means finding trillions of dollars ready to absorb the credit and interest-rate risk for new mortgages, since the firms have backed around two-thirds of those made since 2009.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 22:12:31

For how much wrongdoing during the subprime mortgage debacle was JPMorgan responsible?

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 22:14:35

ft dot com
September 24, 2013 11:40 pm
JPMorgan eyes $4bn ‘pay for peace’ deal
By Kara Scannell and Tom Braithwaite in New York

JPMorgan Chase is in talks to pay over $4bn in a “pay for peace” deal with US authorities to settle a host of allegations of wrongdoing in the mortgage securities market, according to people familiar with the matter.

The bank is pushing for one deal to settle all outstanding mortgage-related allegations from a state and federal task force. This includes a lawsuit from the New York attorney-general, as well as allegations from US attorneys’ offices in California and Pennsylvania and the justice department, that the bank mis-sold mortgage-backed securities.

California prosecutors had been expected to file a lawsuit on Tuesday. However, talks were revived to try to reach a settlement that would cover MBS underwritten by JPMorgan as well as Bear Stearns and Washington Mutual, which the bank acquired during the financial crisis.

JPMorgan has disclosed that the California prosecutors had “preliminarily concluded that the firm violated certain federal securities laws” when it sold subprime loans packaged into securities in the run-up to the crisis. A criminal investigation by California into the bank’s packaging of securities is also under way.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 23:32:31

Bangkok Post
The world’s window on Thailand
JPMorgan faces new lawsuit over subprime mortgages: report
Published: 24 Sep 2013 at 14.49
Online news: World

The US justice department is preparing to file a civil lawsuit against banking giant JPMorgan Chase over its handling of “subprime” mortgages after settlement talks broke off, the Wall Street Journal said.

The bank and the justice department broke off attempts to reach a settlement because they failed to agree on the size of a potential fine, the US newspaper reported, citing a person familiar with the matter.

A spokesman for the bank declined to comment on the report to AFP.

The investigation focuses on the sale of mortgage-backed securities between 2005 and 2007, ahead of the 2008 housing bust.

Risky “subprime” mortgages are blamed for the collapse of the housing market, which sparked a financial crisis and plunged the US into a deep recession in 2008.

This new lawsuit, which could be filed as soon as Tuesday according to the US newspaper, is the latest in a string of legal woes for JPMorgan — the largest US bank by assets.

Last week, the bank agreed to pay a combined $920 million to three US regulators and one British agency in the so-called “London Whale” trading debacle.

That figure includes $200 million to the SEC, $200 million to the Federal Reserve, $300 million to the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, and $220 million to Britain’s Financial Conduct Authority, (FCA).

The trading fiasco, dubbed the “London whale” because of the location and size of bets that went sour, has cost the bank $6 billion in losses.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 23:35:21

DealBook Column
September 23, 2013, 8:58 pm
As JPMorgan Settles Up, Shareholders Are Hit Anew

By ANDREW ROSS SORKIN

Jamie Dimon, JPMorgan Chase’s chief executive, testifying before a House committee in 2012.Saul Loeb/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images Jamie Dimon, JPMorgan Chase’s chief executive, testifying before a House committee in 2012.

Last week, JPMorgan Chase agreed to pay $920 million to settle civil allegations brought by the Securities and Exchange Commission and other regulators in connection with a multibillion-dollar trading loss that’s come to be known as the London Whale case.

At first glance, it sounded like a lot of money and, frankly, it sounded as if the S.E.C. had a strong case and had exacted quite a settlement.

But look closer and scrutinize the S.E.C.’s 15-page description of its findings. Then think about this: When the S.E.C. says that JPMorgan is “paying” a record fine, where is the money actually coming from?

The answer: shareholders. The same shareholders who were ostensibly the victims of the scandal that already cost them $6 billion. The victims, if you want to call them that, become victimized twice.

It is perversely inappropriate. You are adding injury to injury. All we’re doing is punishing the shareholders more,” said John C. Coffee Jr., a professor of securities law at Columbia Law School. “This is a case where the victims are the shareholders.”

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 23:38:06

White Collar Watch
September 23, 2013, 11:40 am
On JPMorgan and What Makes a Criminal Case
By PETER J. HENNING
George Canellos, the co-director of Securities and Exchange Commission’s enforcement division.
Brendan McDermid/Reuters

The case of the so-called London Whale presents an interesting contrast in how the government pursues corporate wrongdoing. While two lower-level employees of JPMorgan Chase were formally indicted last week for their role in the credit derivatives trading that caused over $6 billion in losses, the bank itself faced only civil charges that it settled by paying $920 million. No higher level individuals were accused of violations.

The easy explanation, of course, is that the wealthy and powerful avoid their comeuppance while those less fortunate face the wrath of prosecutors. This is a common refrain when the law is enforced against some, but not others who appear to be in the same situation, whether it be mom-and-pop stores accused of food stamp fraud or drug laws used primarily against the urban poor.

The fact is that prosecutors and the police have enormous discretion over whether to bring charges against someone, with a decision not to charge a crime virtually unreviewable by the courts. The American criminal justice system puts enormous faith in those who decide how the criminal law is enforced because prosecutors do not have to disclose what went into their decision not to pursue charges.

Last week, a federal grand jury in New York returned an indictment of Javier Martin-Artajo and Julien Grout, who worked in JPMorgan’s chief investment office in London and were responsible for valuing the credit derivatives the bank bought that resulted in over $6 billion in losses. The two are charged with conspiracy, false entries in the bank’s records, false statements to the Securities and Exchange Commission, wire fraud and securities fraud.

Mr. Grout’s lawyer asserted that his client was only a junior trading assistant who was being made a scapegoat for the trading losses, DealBook reported. “As the facts in this case are revealed,” the lawyer said, “it will become clear that our client is innocent of any wrongdoing, and we look forward to his vindication.”

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 23:40:34

Morning Agenda
September 24, 2013, 8:20 am
More Legal Woes to Come for JPMorgan
By WILLIAM ALDEN
Morning Agenda

JPMorgan Chase paid $1 billion last week to resolve a number of government investigations, but the bank’s biggest battles with federal authorities may lie ahead, Ben Protess and Jessica Silver-Greenberg report in DealBook.

JPMorgan is bracing for a lawsuit from federal prosecutors in California who suspect the bank sold shoddy mortgage securities to investors before the financial crisis, people briefed on the matter said. The case, expected as soon as Tuesday, could foreshadow more government actions. Federal prosecutors in Philadelphia are also investigating JPMorgan’s sale of mortgage securities, the people briefed on the matter said.

“Underscoring the breadth of the scrutiny, the people said, JPMorgan and the Department of Housing and Urban Development briefly discussed the possibility of striking a wide-ranging settlement to conclude many of the looming mortgage investigations from federal authorities and state attorneys general,” DealBook reports. “But the housing agency floated a price tag of about $20 billion for the settlement, the people said, effectively derailing settlement talks with JPMorgan lawyers, who were stunned by the size of the proposed penalty and expected to pay a fraction of that sum.”

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 23:43:07

JPMorgan Chase, 12 More Banks Sued Over Libor
By Andrew Harris - Sep 24, 2013 12:39 PM PT

JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM), Barclays Plc (BARC), Credit Suisse Group AG (CSGN) and 10 other international lenders were sued by a U.S. credit union regulator alleging they illegally manipulated benchmark Libor interest rates.

Libor, the London interbank offered rate, is a key metric to set interest rates for trillions of dollars in financial instruments.

Their alleged manipulation “resulted in a loss of income from investments and other assets held by five failed corporate credit unions: U.S. Central, WesCorp, Members United, Southwest and Constitution,” according to an NCUA statement yesterday.

The banks are accused of giving false information in response to a daily survey by the British Bankers’ Association, which asks lenders how much it would cost to borrow money from each other for various intervals in 10 different currencies.

Borrowing Costs

The misinformation allowed them to “benefit their investments that were tied to Libor, to reduce their borrowing costs, to deceive the marketplace as to the true state of their creditworthiness, and to deprive investors of the interest rate payments to which they were entitled,” according to the NCUA.

Kerrie Ann Cohen, a New York-based spokeswoman for Barclays, declined to comment on the allegations.

Brian Marchiony, a spokesman New York-based JPMorgan and Drew Benson, a spokesman for Credit Suisse, also declined to comment.

Also named as a defendant in the complaint is Royal Bank of Canada, that nation’s biggest lender by assets. Rina Cortese, a spokeswoman for the Toronto-based bank, in an e-mailed message declined to comment on the NCUA’s allegations.

The regulator yesterday also sued Goldman Sachs & Co., Morgan Stanley and seven other financial institutions in federal court in New York over their sale of $2.4 billion in mortgage-backed securities to two credit unions that later failed.

 
 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 22:17:03

The good news: U.S. house price gains are at a seven year high.

The bad news: U.S. house price gains are slowing.

Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 22:20:53

Accelerating price gains on shrinking sales volume…isn’t this a rerun of a movie we have all seen before?

U.S. NEWS
Updated September 24, 2013, 1:59 p.m. ET
U.S. Home Prices Climb at Fastest Clip in 7 Years
Index Shows 12.4% Annual Increase in July, but Signs Emerge of Moderating Gains
By NICK TIMIRAOS
CONNECT

U.S. home prices rose by their fastest pace in more than seven years during July, according to an index released Tuesday, though more recent data suggest price gains could soon moderate.

Prices in 20 major U.S. cities increased 12.4% in July compared to the same month last year, according to the Standard & Poor’s/Case-Shiller index.

Home-price inflation accelerated sharply over the past year as more buyers have chased a shrinking supply of homes for sale. Fewer properties are selling out of foreclosure and until May, mortgage rates had hovered near record lows, letting buyers qualify for slightly more debt without increasing their monthly payment much.

Rising mortgage rates, which are up nearly a percentage point since May, could ultimately test buyers’ willingness to pay more. That may have accelerated some purchases from buyers who had initially planned to buy later this year, but it has made other buyers more hesitant.

Real-estate agents and executives have reported slowdowns in sales traffic in August and September. Also, there are signs that investors have begun to step back from the market amid higher prices.

 
Comment by Whac-A-Bubble™
2013-09-24 22:25:24

Even though current year-on-year U.S. house price gains rival those during the peak bubble years, they are worse than expected.

ft dot com
September 24, 2013 4:05 pm
Pace of US house price rises slows as mortgage rates climb
By Anjli Raval in New York

US house prices rose at a less feverish pace in July signalling the impact of higher mortgage interest rates on demand.

The Standard & Poor’s/Case-Shiller index, which tracks property values in 20 metropolitan regions across the US, rose 0.6 per cent on a seasonally adjusted basis, compared with economists’ forecasts for a 0.8 per cent gain. Prices rose 0.9 per cent in June.

Even so, prices were 12.4 per cent higher than the same month in 2012, the biggest year-to-year advance since February 2006. In June, prices advanced by 12.1 per cent from the year before.

Even as the housing rebound remains under way, industry watchers say rising mortgage interest rates are beginning to put pressure on sales.

“More cities are experiencing slow gains each month than the previous month, suggesting that the rate of increase may have peaked,” said David Blitzer, chairman of the index committee at S&P Dow Jones Indices.

“Following the increase in mortgage rates beginning last May, applications for mortgages have dropped, suggesting that rising interest rates are affecting housing,” he added.

While the Federal Reserve’s decision last week not to scale back its economic stimulus package may have a favourable impact on housing – by keeping steep rate rises at bay and encouraging homebuyers to move ahead with purchases – economists say it will be limited.

The rate on a 30-year home loan averaged 4.5 per cent in the week ended September 19, near its highest level since July 2011, according to Freddie Mac data. The rate, which was as low as 3.81 per cent at the end of May, began rising after chairman Ben Bernanke indicated the central bank may slow asset purchases.

All 20 cities in the Case-Shiller index showed year-on-year gains, led by a 27.5 per cent surge in Las Vegas. San Francisco, Los Angeles and San Diego also showed gains in excess of 20 per cent.

 
 
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